Wednesday, April 7, 2010

BREAKING NEWS: JON FILES CUSTODY PAPERS

http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk/tmz_documents/0407_gosselin_TMZ.pdf

According to the shocking documents:

  • Kate is given complete control of what Jon's visitation schedule is, and dictates the schedule to him at the beginning of each week. Kate "abuses" this privilege.
  • Jon is permitted to stay in the guest house when Kate is home. When Kate is not home, he can occupy the main residence.
  • Kate never documented any of her claimed expenses required for the children.
  • Jon's child support order violated Pennsylvania child support laws.
  • Jon is asking for Primary Custody--I.e., the children's residence is with him.
  • Jon is asking for a different, fair child support order. (If he has primary custody, Kate should be paying support.)

To all this we say, about time.

171 sediments (sic) from readers:

Anonymous said...

What type of attorney would have ever allowed their client to accept this one sided custody/support decree? His lawyer should return any and all monies he received for his counsel on this blatantly biased document.

Jon could have represented himself and probably done better than this.

Diane said...

Anon,

Well, if the reports are true that Heller is in fact, Hailey's uncle that might explain some of it. Jon trusted Hailey and then, trusted Heller and Heller. Look how that turned out. At least, Jon isn't doing celebrity boxing.:)

Although, I think, Kate might might be very good at boxing.

Administrator said...

Having drafted many final visitation orders myself, the first question I ask is "do you guys get along?" If they do, I don't worry so much. But if they don't, hell if I would EVER advise my client to ever give the other party control over their visitation schedule. That's just absurd. I've never even seen that before. The only situation that MIGHT come up is if the other parent is very abusive and his visits are monitored, giving mom discretion to control all his visits. That's NOT the case here.

The only explanation for this is that Jon truly just wanted this DONE. Maybe he wanted to get married to someone else, who knows. Kate was prepared to fight this for years, he wasn't. Now he's having regrets. Good thing is, family law orders can always change.

itsaboutthekids said...

"The only explanation for this is that Jon truly just wanted this DONE."

Admin, that was my first reaction as well after having read the documents. Jon was in a tailspin at the time of the divorce and just wanted to be a million miles away from Kate. I don't blame him, but I'm glad he's come to his senses and realizes the best thing he's got going are those eight children. JMO

Anonymous said...

He must have really wanted it over with to ever have agreed to something as biased as this schedule is. I don't understand why he even agreed to the monthly sum he is required to pay, knowing that he was cut off from TLC at the time the document was drafted, the pending litigation for breech of contract, the mounting attorney fees, the dwindling finances and having first hand knowledge of what an abusive and vindictive person Kate is. I mean really, this woman got the house, 240,000 dollars a year for the next decade in child support, control of the family finances and he got NOTHING.

Somehow, his attorney should have sat him down and told him offered the following advice:
1. Your show won't go on forever
2. Your prospects of earning 240,000 per year are limited, given the fact that the most you made prior to the show was 60,000 per year.
3. You have no college education, no marketable skills other than your I.T. background which limits your job prospects
4. The suit with TLC is draining your assets
5. You have to consider how much it will cost to support yourself while living on your own from here on, plus having to support your wife and 8 children, knowing that your wife doesn't want to get back into nursing.
6. The well is going to run dry.

Elenasaurous said...

I think I may have missed something... When did Jon get a new lawyer? It's about time. That Heller was a joke. He acts like a parody of a bad lawyer.

Anonymous said...

Admin: Did you ever consult with TMZ when you were a big time attorney, before you became a Kate Gosselin hating blog owner?

Anonnie Moss said...

IMO Jon did want the divorce done, likely in hopes TLC would get off his back and let him live his life. I hope someday he sues both of them for slander. ROL too.

Anonymous said...

Anon@1:04, get over yourself. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, even you. If you don't like it here then go back to the farm.

Anonymous said...

I'd be the first to admit I can't stand Kate Gosselin. I can't stand her voice, her face, her looks, her personality or lack thereof, her lies, her manipulation, her cornpone books, the way she walks, how loud she breaths.............and on and on and on

Anonymous said...

Hey Admin:
That is exactly the way I just read the papers.
I cannot believe a judge or arbitrator signed off on this kind of weekly custody thing with these two. Wow.
No wonder there is so much Khaos. I get it now.
I absolutely hate this for the kids.

Will this take a long time to settle? I think it would be better for the court to issue a custody schedule? Giving Kate all that leeway was a recipe for this kind of disaster.

Kate sure knows how to make herself look bad especially if this is proven true.

I hope things are resolved in the best interests of the kids.

~Irene~

Anonymous said...

Where did he file? The county that did the divorce or the one they live in?
--MK

itsaboutthekids said...

The filing says:

In the Court of Common Pleas of Berks County, PA

Anonymous said...

You watch what Kate does next. She's going to parade those kids around on the front lawn after having notified the paps of the time and date they will be there. She'll be playing dodge ball in the driveway with her heels on. She'll be playing pin the tail on the donkey in the driveway with her baby doll dresses on. Those kids will be outside in the driveway from sun up to sundown while kate isn't practicing her bombastic dance routines. She'll prove to Radar online that she is the mother of the year and that phoney plastic smile will be ever present too.

Anonymous said...

cuz then the docs will be open, as opposed to when SHE filed in M...County who seals the papers....?

Lauren said...

The ONLY person who benefits from THIS custody arrangement is KATE.

I agree with the other posters who commented about Jon being beat down that he just wanted things to be over. Honestly i think Heller (Jon's old attorney) should take some responsibility for this F'd up custody and child support arrangement.

Anonymous said...

I hope that the court will take into account how Kate talks about Jon. In her new "book" in one of the letters she says that she does not have the skills to "father" one of the boys, but she will do her best...She doesn't have to "father" the boys, she needs to allow her boys access to their father and let HIM do it! He's not flippin' dead!!!! I have the same reaction to when she says "I'm a single mom". Um, no, you are a co-parent!!! He's still there! It would be better to say "I am a mom and I am single" but its not like she has to parent those kids alone.
--MK

Anonymous said...

Kate wants the world to see that she is a martyr and is up at the crack of dawn, baking caserolles, cookies, shopping, cleaning, taking the kids to school, dancing for a living, running errands, practicing for her show, packing lunches, getting two hours of sleep and back to the same old grind the next day.

Fact is, she's out shopping, tanning, manicures, texting, visiting talk shows, but she's not mothering. I'd like to know one thing. With all she has on her so called plate, where did she find the time to write another book or shall I say, who'd she pay to write this one?

itsaboutthekids said...

"You watch what Kate does next. She's going to parade those kids around on the front lawn"

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That might be too little too late as far as a court is concerned. Besides, her time away from home is well documented. She can't deny that.

Anonymous said...

I hope that Jon plays by TLC's rules this time! Keep your mouth shut if they don't let you and do no interviews! They are really not going to be happy that he is letting the cat out of the bag!
--MK

Anonymous said...

If I were Jon, I would have fought TLC regarding this contract. They cut him out of the show and then prevent him from earning a living. Unless they are continuing to pay him for not being on the show, how can they deny him the right to seek employment?

Also, I'll bet anyone when TLC agreed to settle the court case, they excercised their option for extending the contract and have him signed longer than we think he's signed for.

itsaboutthekids said...

how can they deny him the right to seek employment?

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This is how. Kate got paid by TLC only if Jon didn't work outside of TLC

16. Defendant received certain payments from TLC television network through a contractual agreement. Said agreement was contingent upon Plaintiff not rendering services to
any person, company or entity other than TLC through the term of the contract

NancyB said...

ADMIN-
If I remember correctly, Jon represented himself at some court proceedings at the end of last year. At that time, it was noted that he owed Heller a large amount of money. Do you remember this?? Also, last Dec. I looked up PA law and wht I remember is that custody and support arrangements can not be modified until 6 months has passed-do you know if that is accurate?

Thanks in advance and I hope the ATB got changed and you are feeling better. You must have felt just miserable.

Anonymous said...

Itsabouthekids,
I know what the petition says but why should Jon worry about what Kate earns from TLC? They are divorced. She obviously doesn't care about Jon other than taking his 21,000 monthy child support check. That's more than enough for many rich familys to live off of each year.
John could have said, WTF and gone out and earned his own money and not worry about if Kate was going to get a paycheck from TLC because he was working elsewhere

Anonymous said...

Here is what Zondervan says the book is about:

The story covers the three years her family lived in their Elizabethtown home, a period Kate considers one of the happiest of her life. In it she discusses the individuality of eight kids (all under the age of six) transitioning from the chaos of caring for infants to the structured days of a home filled with budding preschoolers, as well as her thoughts on communication, everyday miracles, and providing a safe home. During that time, Kate discusses her family’s unique challenges from daily schedules to traveling, her need for control to learning how to be flexible, the individuality of all eight kids, how God provided every day, and her faith that held it all together.


It will be interesting to see who is lying. The tabliod magazine or the Christian Publisher.

Anonymous said...

6:53 Reality Insider,
Is there anything that you would like to share?
I am praying that some of the many people that have been in and out of the house will start to come forward in Jon's defense.
Kate has screwed him since the beginning and she will continue, unless she is stopped.
She is a MONSTER and the truth needs to be told.

itsaboutthekids said...

Good point but without knowing all the terms of the TLC contract it's hard to know what leverage they used to get Jon to sign. This suggests that they threatened to not pay Kate if Jon worked outside TLC. How much spin do you think that would have made in the ROL/TLC headlines.
SELFISH JON DENIES KATE A PAYCHECK and she has EIGHT, count 'em eight children to raise all by herself! If you look at it as a combined income even though they're divorced, it was probably more money than he could ever make outside TLC.

Let's face it, TLC bullied him into submission and I think just wore him down emotionally and financially. He took their cash cows off the air and they were pissed. JMO

Anonymous said...

You're right, Itsaboutthekids. ROL and TLC would have made Jon out to be selfish for denying Kate a livelyhood by his working a job to support himself. The one thing Jon could have done would go public with his child support payments and then ask, Who can't live off of 20,000 per month? That would have shut Kate down completely.

Anonymous said...

Administrator, I hope you are feeling better very soon.

One reason why Jon might worry about what Kate earns from TLC might be the concern that if he was responsible for her losing the payment, he would then have to pay even more for child-support?
I'm still quite baffled as to what was used in the child-support formula to determine that he could even afford $21 grand/month in the first place. I agree with Admin. that it would be unlikely that much of his inheritance from his father would be left...and that even IF it was held in a trust, that there would be enough in it that he could afford to pay THAT much each month? His father was a dentist, not an oil tycoon.

And being totally unable to figure out HOW this figure was determined, it's also difficult to figure-out what things he's contractually obligated to in this contract with TLC. I had assumed he was still being paid by TLC as long as he did not break the contract...including not revealing any info about TLC....and that this is how they came up with the child-support amount.

But if Kate's getting paid and Jon's not...how was he supposed to pay 21 grand a month? How did they come up with that calculation in the formula? And how has he even been managing to pay it?

dee3

itsaboutthekids said...

It will be interesting to see who is lying. The tabliod magazine or the Christian Publisher
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Why couldn't they both be the truth since the tabloid was giving direct quotes from the book? You can't make that up. I only see a synopsis from Zondervan about the contents.

Anonymous said...

Oh, the tabloids never make stuff up....
That's a new concept for me, hmmmmmmm, you got me there.

Kelly said...

If I were Jon and paying 21,000 a month in Child Support, I wouldn't let that bitch dictate to me when I was going to see my kids each week. I'm paying that wench 700 dollars a day, 2,625 dollars per child each month, I'll see them anytime I damn well please. I'd also revisit the child support once I became aware that the witch was earning a minimum of 200,000 for a couple weeks on a dancing show, plus all the other money she was earning with book profits, speaking engagements, contract money from TLC and residual checks.

I went through a very acrimonious divorce ten years ago and I have three children. The judge ordered, during the seperation period that I pay my wife 4,750 dollars per month plus the mortgage payment, her car payment, insurance and property taxes until the divorce was final. When the divorce was final, I had to pay her six months of rehabilitative alimony and then she had to go back to work full time as a teacher which then readjusted the child support down, bassed on our combined incomes. Why was this not allowed in Jon's case?

Kelly said...

Don't you just love the way ROL is making Jon out to be the douchebag on this latest filing? That guy couldn't get a break if he offered to cut out his heart for this woman. Why shouldn't he get a break on those ridiculous child support payments and she's raking in all sorts of bucks?

itsaboutthekids said...

Oh, the tabloids never make stuff up....
That's a new concept for me, hmmmmmmm, you got me there.
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I said they don't make up the DIRECT quotes which were contained in the article. But after you buy the book you can let me know if this is incorrect.

New Hampshire said...

Anonymous said...
Admin: Did you ever consult with TMZ when you were a big time attorney, before you became a Kate Gosselin hating blog owner?

April 7, 2010 1:04 PM
I surely do take offense to this comment.
Admin. runs a great blog. Posters here use a great degree of intelligence.
That is why I come here, to to be informed.

The fake mother you are defending let her brains fall out when she used her children's money for "breast enhancements." Those plastic puppies enhanced nothing, but who is adding the dollars? Only millions of pissed off Mothers in America.

Did you go to Law School?

I hope Jon is able to get custody, he IS the better parent. Obvious to me. Is the witch mother flying home tonight? She will sleep until noon, get up, go to the nail salon, shop a little , order the nannies around, talk to her lawyers and then declare herself EXHAUSTED.

Oh, and practicing her dancing? How did she manage to accomplish making herself a national laughingstock after these many weeks with a National Champion, only to fail more miserably than the week before? The answer is simple. She DOES NOT PRACTICE. She is not interested. Tony is getting combat pay. She is embarassing herself and her children. Describing her as a joke is putting it mildly. How could she do this to her kids. Her parents are probably arranging to move to Australia at this moment. For shame Kate Gosselin.

Anonymous said...

Oh for God's sake New Hampshire,
Its a cheesy dance show. They make lots of money.
Get over your rage. She's having a good time. Her kids think she's beautiful.

kelly said...

I'm glad her kids think she's beautiful because nobody else does.

Anonymous said...

Looks to me that a lot more like her than hate her.
And she brings in the ratings and I doubt she cares about people with such small minds.
Her life goes on no matter how a group of people feel about her.

Anonymous said...

With all the Tiger Woods and Jesse James bimbos coming out of the woodwork to sell their stories, we can only hope that some of the Gosselin insiders will do the same. I'm really against this concept, but I would make an exception in this case.

kath said...

Her kids will think she's beautiful for a few more years. Then they'll realize she is monster.

Kids are smart that way.

itsaboutthekids said...

New Hampshire, I quite enjoyed your comments. Have a great day!

New Hamshire said...

Anonymous said...
Oh for God's sake New Hampshire,
Its a cheesy dance show. They make lots of money.
Get over your rage. She's having a good time. Her kids think she's beautiful.

April 7, 2010 3:27 PM

I guess you did not go to Law School.

Kate is the cheesy one. Actually, sleazy is the better word.

Her twins are probably mortified at the sight of her in that red costume. And now a new book of letters. They are helpless to stop this relentless, lying famewhore.

Anonymous said...

Do you wonder why no one comes out and sells their story's. Could it be because there is no story? Don't you think they would if there was one.
When jodi and kevin came out with what jon[whispered]to them and they [whispered]to any takers what fools they ended up looking like. But they did pay off their mortgage.

Anonymous said...

Such ugly thoughts you keep in your soul about another human and the things you wish for her children.
Wow just WOW

just wondering said...

Jodi & Kevin risked everything to get those kids away from the cameras and didn't speak up until they were signed on for 40 episodes. I would have done the smae thing in their position.

Administrator said...

Well, I can explain why some people don't speak out. They love those children and would never ever publically trash their mother. No matter how bad of a mother, it's usually not good for children to ever know you have a problem with her. Even though clearly Jodi and Kevin struggled over coming out for ages, they were raked over the coals for trying to protect the kids. Why would anyone want to come out after that?

itsaboutthekids said...

Anonymous said...
Looks to me that a lot more like her than hate her.
And she brings in the ratings and I doubt she cares about people with such small minds.
Her life goes on no matter how a group of people feel about her.


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First, you must have a magic ball if you can count how many love or hate Kate and all those in between. Who knows?

I will agree that no matter how we feel about her, whether it's you, me or anyone else, Kate's life will go on.

small minds? I guess that depends on what you're comparing it to. But I do know making your argument with an insult only diminishes your position.

kath said...

Not "ugly thoughts" as much as the absence of rose colored glasses and a revulsion for this child-exploiting famewhore.

But mark my words, she may have been able to control her babies when they were pre-verbal and toddlers, but kids will not be controlled or manipulated or hoodwinked for long. They will see through her eventually.

NancyB said...

New Hampshire- You are a breath of fresh air!

Anonymous said...

"And she brings in the ratings and I doubt she cares about people with such small minds."

I doubt she cares about anybody...except herself.

And those who she brings in the ratings for don't care about her either.

dee3

mommyinca said...

E has a "Team Kate" article up. I didn't click on the link because honestly, Kate's lawyer makes me want to hit my head against a brick wall but apparently he is calling Jon's filing "incoherent".

I KNEW they would spin it. Kate will come out looking like a rose once again. I think the only thing that will truly help Jon at this point is if Jodi, Kevin, Beth and Bob and any other family member involved from the get go comes forward and speaks on behalf of the kids. They don't need to take "Jon's side". They just need to speak out against Kate's lies.

Anonymous said...

Maybe there are no lies. Maybe you guys just sit here and spin. We will see. So far you guys have not managed to get anything right.
But it does make for a fun day of hateful blogging

itsaboutthekids said...

kath said... But mark my words, she may have been able to control her babies when they were pre-verbal and toddlers, but kids will not be controlled or manipulated or hoodwinked for long. They will see through her eventually.
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Amen to that, Kath. Kids rebel. It's a fact of life! lol

Anonymous said...

Okay, something doesn't make sense to me--if Jon was ordered to pay a large sum of support and is not paying it because he knows Kate will not fight him, why bring it up at all?
If he's not paying and Kate won't drag him through the courts, why get the courts involved again?
Kate had no problem going on talk shows and talking to People magazine about her bills that needed to be paid--and telling the public that Jon took "all" of her money--which statement then had to be revised because it became known that there were numerous accounts.If she was willing to do this, why would she care about further "embarrassing" Jon or the kids?
I'm not saying Jon's motivation is entirely pure--but I do think he wants more time with his kids. If Kate is going to be away chasing fame and fortune, why shouldn't the other parent spend more time with the kids? If Jon is somehow an unfit parent, then let Kate prove it in court. Otherwise, he should be allowed to spend more time with his kids---time matters, too, Kate--not just money.

Administrator said...

Well gee if it's so incoherent how come I was able to so easily summarize it? It can't be because I'm a big time intelligent attorney. He wants more time, he wants to pay less support--nothing hard to understand about that.

Typical Team Kate M.O.--confuse the issue.

itsaboutthekids said...

Maybe Kate shared her wine with her lawyer.

Kath said...

"So far you guys have not managed to get anything right."

So then, please do enlighten us. What is the Gosselin's net worth? Why is Kate constantly 'crying poor' in the media when they have alternate income and are set for life?

How does Kate justify not allowing Jon to be there for the kids when she's doing Dancing?

Kelly said...

I think Kate's spin is going to have to concentrate on how she always cried poor mouth and then she's getting a check each month for 21,000 dollars. How poor can someone be that's making 240,000 per year and that's tax free because it's child support

itsaboutthekids said...

Anonymous said...
Okay, something doesn't make sense to me--if Jon was ordered to pay a large sum of support and is not paying it because he knows Kate will not fight him, why bring it up at all?

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Anon, if you're referring to the poster that suggested they had the inside story "reality insider" or whoever they said they were, IMO they were just expressing an opinion and tried to present it as fact. Anyone who says, "that's all you need to know about me" raises red flags and sets off bells and whistles in my thinking. See, you've already figured out it doesn't make any sense.

Administrator said...

No wonder Kate tried to get all her $$ from Jon in the form of child support. Child support is TAX FREE. Alimony, however, IS NOT. Cash only please! Sound familiar?

mommyinca said...

Admin- Someone on another blog mentioned some disability act that was talked about in the divorce settlement. They eluded to Jon having a drug problem. If so, (wouldn't be surprised) could this be something that is being held over his head by Kate? Could her attorney come forward and say "well kate wanted to take the high road and not talk about her children's father's drug problem but that's why she was in charge of custody....to keep them safe, etc"?

I have to say that since I've followed this story from the very beginning, I feel I have a clear picture of Kate and Jon. I've never had high opinions of Jon BUT I've always favored him over Kate because 1. He was a victim of abuse and 2. He seemed to be the better parent and 3. Kate's narcissism seems far more detrimental to the children than Jon's issues.

I have always wanted to put together a list of Kate's lies. Facts, not opinions. Things that Kate herself has said and done that cannot be disputed to show WHY there is such dislike for her. Most people have such a warped view of the Jon and Kate story. It usually goes like this: Jon was lazy, Kate is a hard worker. Kate got sick of Jon's laziness and wound up being "bitchy". Jon cheated on Kate and Kate filed for divorce. The end.
It's all based on Kate's pr machine's lies. Jon is being eaten alive by Kate's narcissism and there's not much anyone can do about it. :(

Anonymous said...

I don't know the Gosselin's net worth do you?
Is it any of my or your business.
If they are set for life why is Jon trying to get back in the house.
Why doesn't he buy his own house where he can have the kids while in his custody so he doesn't have to pay so much child support.
If he's set for life why he he crying for spousal support.
How could he be with his kids when Kate was away when he was shacking up with his young thing.
Why does this all happen now after he got dumped.
Why I ask WHY?

itsaboutthekids said...

Anon said...
"So far you guys have not managed to get anything right."
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Kath, people who make these kinds of statements are only trying to incite a response. Instead of stating their point of view, they attack hoping that can start something. They aren't interested in civil discussion.

TVsnark said...

Kelly, Thanks for commenting, it's nice to hear a man's point of view.

I agree. Jon cannot get a break. Some of Kate's fans think "women should support other woman" but what about HUMANS supporting the better HUMAN? Jon is a nice guy. He still has family and friends. Why are the fans so blind to the fact that NOBODY in this woman's life likes her, unless they are PAID to say so.

FYI: BLowhan is marrying Kate 2.0. Didn't he once say "she's like a daughter to me?" That's just GROSS.

Anonymous said...

Where did you get that Jon is crying for spousal support? Did you see spousal support mentioned anywhere in that filing?

And the agreement had stipulated that the children remain in the house...with no agreement to allow the children to stay visit with Jon at his own residence.

And it is irrelevant who he "shacks up with" when away from his children and has no relevance to whether or not he can care for his own children when Kate is away.

And Kate's net worth is relevant when she goes on TV boo-hoo'ing that she can't pay her bills.

dee3

TVsnark said...

Looks to me that a lot more like her than hate her.

Really? if you read the Two, count 'em, TWO, Kate love sites, yes, it seems more like her than hate her. However, there are over a dozen sites that say otherwise.

Anonymous said...

Boy these two parents can sure spin the spin.

Kate's Lawyer Mr. M is spinning like this is just a minor paperwork inconvenience. These are kids he is talking about. Kate has been gone alot all this year. Who was watching those children while she sat in a hotel room getting extensions.

I just hope the outcome is a better custody schedule than, "Call Kate to see your kids" That is clearly not in the children's best interests.
Also, Mr Mark said Kate only allows Jon to stay in the garage apt when she is there? So that means he has to leave them with a nanny overnight because why?

As far as Jon, no he is not perfect, but they are not a corporations kids they are his kids.
The papers overall look like they just need to go in meet and adjust accordingly.

As far as Kate wanting to have her way & spin all this like she is some martyr who has all the responsibility she needs to come up with something else. These children have a father, aunts, uncles, grandparents & many people who love and care about their welfare. Kate is trying to hard to paint the wrong picture. Her People Magazine articles & visits on the talk show rounds really are cornering her in a bad light. She is opening her mouth and inserting bad rotten monkey munch.

I hate it is happening publicly because of the best interests of the kids. Maybe Kate will learn to do the right thing & do what is best for her kids instead of her career.

~Irene~

TVsnark said...

So far you guys have not managed to get anything right.
But it does make for a fun day of hateful blogging


Really?
Many of us started suspecting a KON when we saw J&K "pretend" to get remarried 2 summers ago. Their dance was awkward because they didn't LIKE each other. IT WAS OBVIOUS to anybody watching.

But. We were wrong?

Then Jon gets caught at 2:30 am

Kate's fans swore up and down that NO WAY was that Jon. It's photoshop, it's his brother, it's another Asian guy, my personal favorite, Someone from GWOP had their husband get plastic surgery so he could LOOK like Jon and they could "ruin the family."

But guess what? It WAS Jon. The wedding WAS fake and they WERE NOT living as man and wife.

What were we all wrong about?

Also, once again I ask, how is caring about the best welfare of the kids "hating?" I don't see hate on this blog. I see information, opinions and discussion. Go to a Kate Love Site and you'll see hate. Hate for anybody that doesn't worship Kate. Hate for anybody that DARE question anything Kate does. HATE for those children. If "the fans" actually gave one crap about those kids they wouldn't be itching to see them back on TV again. Now, this is a LOVE site. LOVE for those kids, that WE all hope to NEVER see again.

Anonymous said...

Kate only boo-hooed she couldn't pay her bills after Jon took money that wasn't his to take but was for household bills. And if I remember right was ordered to pay it back.
I never said Jon couldn't care for his children when Kate was away I said he was away so how could he care for his children.
It seems he has nothing to do now so he's back.
Who said Kate wouldn't let him be there when she was away. Did you hear her say that??

Jennifer B. said...

Ugly nasty behavior is ugly nasty behavior, whether it is coming from a man or a woman, a mother or a father.

I'm glad to find other people who don't automatically take the woman's side as if a woman can never ever do any wrong and in a divorce, she is automatically the one being wronged.

I watched that trainwreck of a show when it was on, sad to say. I saw Jon being constantly belittled and verbally and emotionally abused and in front of their kids and millions of people, no less. I shuddered when I realized if she had no compunction about treating her husband like this in front of CAMERAS, just imagine what it must be like when they aren't on. Good God.

Women can be abusive just like men. Women can be manipulative despicable liars just like men can. No gender has the market cornered on that.

This divorce seems to have brought out something in SOME women who are themselves divorced and feel they were the wronged party and they project their feelings all over this situation.

But if you look at what we have been shown of Jon and Kate (and there are literally hundreds of hours to look at, more than we see even of people we know well in our own lives) with clear eyes, you can come to no other conclusion than that Kate was abusive to Jon to the point of yelling at him for anything and everything, humiliating him, telling him how to breathe, accusing him of just about everything under the sun, controlling his every move, embarrassing him in front of others, you name it.

I had to stop watching the show because it was simply too painful to watch this guy getting raked over the coals all the time. I kept wanting him to stand up for himself, yell at her, do something, ANYTHING to stand up to this horrible bully of a person.

Even she apparently admits (though half-heartedly) in her new book that she was "too hard" on him (her language is much too mild for what she really did). That kind of self-awareness is rare for a narcissist, but I'm sure she was strongly encouraged to address this if for no other reason than sympathy points.

Frankly, he's lucky she left him. That was probably the biggest favor she ever did him. I'm quite sure he has his own issues to work out, but I'm equally sure his issues are not as severe as hers and he has a much better chance of someday having a healthy, satisfying relationship than she does. At least he seems like he's probably willing to pursue therapy whereas according to her, she doesn't have anything she needs to fix in herself.

I just wanted to say all that. I truly hope Jon is successful with this new move, not because I feel the need to take sides here, but because those original orders are HORRIBLE and should have never been agreed to and because the only way to deal with bullies is to stand up to them. Also, he is their father and her opinion of him does not change that. Those kids want to be with their dad and deserve to be.

Anonymous said...

Oh and by the way, IF Kate does condescend to suddenly spend a lot of photo op time with those kids in the front driveway, acting like Super Mom, she's going to be miserable for every minute of it.

Even watching the show, way back in the day, I always got the sense the kids were just a hindrance to her, a bother, a reason to mop the floor AGAIN. Not blessings to truly enjoy or anything.

Anonymous said...

Adults should only be concerned about the kids, not taking sides with other adults. There are EIGHT kids whose lives are being adversely affected by all this.

I was the child of a divorce, at the same age these kids are. It was horribly painful, and the divorce was acrimonious, long, hurtful. The custody battles were epic and went on for over two years.

ALL I wanted was to see my dad. Our mom did everything in her power to stop that from happening, to hurt HIM, but she was actually hurting US. When she'd badmouth him in front of us, she might as well have stabbed us in the gut. Our dad never said a single negative word about our mother in front of us, ever. He refused to. She left him, took his kids, broke his heart, tried to wipe him out financially (and was mostly successful) and yet still he refused to say anything negative about her in front of us.

I loved him for that.

Kate is willing to criticize Jon's GENITALS on national TV! If she's willing to do that, I'd bet you a million dollars she badmouths him in front of the kids on a regular basis. And lemme tell you, it really really stings.

I strayed a bit here. What's most important is that the kids spend time with their parents. Nannies should not be selected as caregivers over the other parent. There is zero evidence whatsoever that Jon has ever been a neglectful or abusive dad, so there's absolutely no reason to keep him from the kids anymore than is necessary, unless it is just to hurt him.

It hurts the kids the most. I promise.

The kids don't care who their parent is with, or the accusations about either parent or whatever other crap adults are talking about. They just want to see their mom and dad. The end.

Anonymous said...

Mr M Kate's lawyer says 20 million are watching his client? I thought all that mattered to Kate was the 8 kids hulled up at the Gosselin orphanage?

I will never understand the Kate spin mentality it just always seems to be about her & not about making decisions as to the best interest of her children.

~irene~

Anonymous said...

Now if this was Kate, people would be all over it.
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2010/04/photos-pam-anderson-escorted-out-club-0

Gosselin kids all the way said...

Jennifer B.
Well said and I wholeheartedly agree with every word you said. It bugs me when a 'woman' gets a free pass because she is a 'woman' and there is a perception that females cannot abuse their spouse or child. Some people give them excuses but if the role was reversed, there is no way Jon would have been able to get off scot free like Kate did and go on various media outlets, talk shows, dance shows, etc.

I feel that Jon is being treated like how some 'rape' victims are treated in court/public by others saying that they bought it on themselves and it's their own fault. Obviously it's not the same but the mentality of some people out there are saying that "if Jon was a man and stood up to his wife" or "he was a wuzz" etc. When you are being abused verbally, physically, emotionallY, spiritually and being humiliated not just in private but publicly, I'm sure any backbone you might have had would have been worn down long ago. In that situation, it's just easier to keep quiet and let the abuser go on their rant instead of fighting. If he was thinking of his kids, he might have just thought it was easier to let Kate do what she wanted with him instead of venting it onto the kids. Sorry for the long post!

Anonymous said...

Admin,

I thought their custody arrangement was made between themselves and that he arbitrator just decided the financial terms of the divorce. How does this affect how they go forward from here?

Anonymous said...

I think he means the 20 million viewing are important to Jon, Irene. Only the 8 are important to Kate (and that the fans vote.)

Does anyone know what this means? It's from Kate's lawyer's statement on ROL:

"But Momjian told RadarOnline.com: 'The house was awarded to Kate. She owns it. It’s her asset. She controls who goes into that house.'"

itsaboutthekids said...

List is on Nancy Grace right now

itsaboutthekids said...

She is, of course raking him over the coals along with her panel.

Anonymous said...

Just to set the record straight Kate never talked about Jon's package ever. That was Hailey, you know the one you guys used to like.....
After she went public with that there was a inside source that popped up and said Kate called him stubby.
If she ever said that we will never know. We were not there.
Another inside source said Jon had a drug problem before Kate and got cleaned up for Kate.
He mostly stayed clean for close to six years. But now has no control over it.
Yes you guys would like the kids to be in a drug addicts care.
You have all been conned by a drug addict.

NancyB said...

Nancy Grace is TOTALLY trashing Jon on her show. Anthony List is on. I do not think I will ever watch her show again--unbelievable.

Anonymous said...

TV Snark,
It is interesting to me that you brought up Michael Lohan + Kate Major. Were they Jon's friends or Kate's friends?

Lauren said...

It's a sheeple-fest on Nancy's Grace's show.
PUKE!!!

Lauren said...

Nancy's=Nancy

Kelly said...

Anonymous @5:07,
Your posting was the most intense, heart wrenching and truthful account of what a child goes through when their parents divorce. I truly am sorry for the pain that caused you. Having been a party to divorce with my now ex wife, I know it damaged my kids but I did try to make up for it. I insisted on my time with my kids and never once missed a visitation in the ten years I've been divorced. My oldest son, at the time was 13 years old and wanted to live with me right after I seperated and the courts granted me full custody. Unfortunately for me, my two other kids were much younger and didn't have that choice but I was there for them unconditionally.

It paid off in multiple dividends as they are all 10 years older now, love me, knew I never said a bad word about their mother and we all weathered the storm as a result. You know, the birds always sing after the storm.

When you can put aside all the acrimony towards the other party, concentrate on the welfare of innocent lives that didn't ask to either be brought into this world, much less brought into this adult mess, the kids benefit in the end.

I'll always have a certain amount of guilt about the way our family split up but I'm proud that I put my kids first, never shared with them the ugly parts of our breakup and didn't overcompensate for it either. I just was their dad and for that, my reward is, they call me everynight to tell me they love me, even at their college age now. They drive over to see me, they consult me about lifes issues and I'm still the Dad to them now, that I was, when they were younger, impressionable and confused.

Your heartfelt story about the pain you endured as a child really resonated with me and I'm so so sorry for that. Thanks for sharing it with us.

Kelly

Anonymous said...

So Jon Gosselin hired another attorney to go toe to toe with Nancy Grace? What a loser.

mommyinca said...

WHY would he go on Nancy Grace? She has made it clear in the past that she doesn't investigate. This sounds like a stupid move on List's part. I pray that Jon isn't being had once again.

Kelly said...

Nancy Grace is a bigger media whore than Kate Gosselin. She's as credible as Pee Wee Herman. She flaunts her attorney credentials and jumps on the media bandwagon when she thinks it will improve her ratings.

She changes networks quicker than I change my underwear. I'd listen to Nancy Graces opinion the minute that Moses parts the Atlantic Ocean so I can walk to Europe.

mommyinca said...

One more thing: All the Kate lovers are saying that Jon hasn't even tried to get a job, etc. They have said over and over that Kate HAS to do DWTS because how can she provide for her kids on a nurse's salary.
Jon is prevented from getting a job by TLC. Anyone care to explain that contradiction?

kath said...

So Kate's an alkie and rageaholic so they're even.

I don't really believe Jon is a drug addict. But I believe Kate's smoking several brands of crazy.

Kelly said...

mommyinca,
With the money Jon's been ordered to pay Kate per month, why would she even need to work as a nurse. It's three times what a nurse makes, three times what the two of them made before the TLC program and tax free to boot. Her poor mouth, one trick pony line is coming home to roost.

Elenasaurous said...

I hate Kate as much as the next person, but I don't trust that Jon either. I think it's a bit suspicious that he's trying to get custody now that his girlfriend dumped him... Both of those two are selfish losers, and I hope the kids don't turn out like them, though they probably will.

Anonymous said...

Believe what you want. Oh and BTW its not Pot that Is wreaking Jon. Its the powder he's a slave to plus the booze.

NancyB said...

List said on Nancy Grce that TLC is paying Kate $100,000/month and pays Jon $5000.00!
ADMIN--If possible will you please watch Nancy Grace @ 8PM so you can weigh in.

Kelly said...

Anonymous @5:53,
Post facts not fiction. Anyone can say what you said and hide behind the relative security of your computer screen. With all the paps that followed him, I'm certain that someone would have outed him before you did tonight.

itsaboutthekids said...

NancyB,
I was just going to post that here. AMAZING, Kate has no money. On top of the $21,000 Jon pays in child support. Woe is Kate.

Kelly said...

Hmmmm, If TLC is paying Jon 5,000 per month, where's he getting the other 15,000 per month to pay her majesty? So, Kate's making 1,440,000 per year just of TLC and Jon? I'm sure that's going to go over like a fart in church with all the other "Stay at home Moms" she's trying to relate to.

itsaboutthekids said...

We don't make as much in 2 years as Kate gets in one month. I have no pity.

itsaboutthekids said...

List said Jon has money from the division of assets that's set aside for child support. However this will run out at some point.

Kelly said...

So Kate makes 1,440,000 per year, just off Jon and TLC? I'm sure that's going to go over like a fart in church with all the "Stay at home moms" she wants to relate to.

Anonymous said...

Kate supposedly received $1,000,000 for her latest sham of a book.

Kath said...

If Jon was a cokehead Kate would have used it to get him in the jugular. Can YOU prove he is Anon? I don't doubt that Kate has spun some lies for sympathy from her friends of the minute, but she has been caught lying before.

Nancy said...

Kelly,

Thank you for a view into the future with my kids. They are 14 & 15 and I have been divorced now for 5yrs... Although their Dad and I do not get along we can always talk when it concerns our kids and as hard as it is sometimes neither one of us says anything negative.

Everytime I see a story from either Jon or Kate in the media it just makes me sad for the kids and only the kids. Divorce is hard enough without all the crap they are throwing around.

My 15yr old son actually commented the other day about the fact the we have been able to put aside our differances for their sake and he appreciates it. I only wish someone would talk some sense into these 2 to do the same.

I truly truly hope that Jon's motivations are the right ones and he weathers the storm and stays strong. I have seen every "episode" up until the wedding and so I can say that once I opened my eyes to what was actualy reality it became pretty clear.

Good for you Kelly I aspire to have the same well adjusted kids as you seem to have raised under diffucult but sadly common circumstances

NancyB said...

Oh- I forgot to say, earlier I turned on Jane Velez Mitchell and she said the following:

"Kate will start her Kate plus 8 show in Sept." so I guess it's a fait accompli.

Kelly said...

You're welcome Nancy. Hang in their girl. It gets easier. Put the kids first and everything else just falls into place.

I'm just hoping when I get older, the kids will run to the drug store for me to pick up a package of Depends. That will be my true report card.

Anonymous said...

Anon 5:53 Why don't you go and peddle your BULL SHIT somewhere else?
If Jon had a problem with the "powder", he would not have a weight problem.
Also, if this were true Hailey certainly would have let the world know. I have no idea who you are but you need to get yourself some help!

TVsnarkie said...

Great Post, Jennifer B.

I felt the same way and when Jon finally said, "hey Kate, when are you going to take the stick out?" I was thrilled!!

But, he also ended up publicly apologizing and saying he was sorry for that comment.

Kate has yet to apologize to anybody for anything, EVER.

I too am very relieved to have found a group of people who don't automatically support the person with the uterus. Funny, I don't get any child support (it is adding up monthly . . . but still, not getting it not when I need it) and I STILL support "the man" in this scenario. I watched that man be beaten down, humiliated, ridiculed, and played for a fool. I'm behind him 100% and I really don't care who he screws, what he smokes or what douchey designer clothing he wears.

BTW. NOBODY ever notices or mentions that Jon stopped wearing Ed Hardy a long time ago. I don't think he's worn it since before he got with Kate 2.0.

Nancy said...

Kelly,

LOL I think any parent no matter the circumstances of their lives hopes that they have done a good enough job that their kids are there in our later years. Even if it's just to sit and say Damn you're old ;)

Kath said...

If anything I hope Jon's new custody bid keeps his kids off tv. I think he's realized that 5000 a month from TLC is not worth toeing the party line and let's hope he's really acting at least partially out of concern for his kids.

This Anthony List seems better than his past lawyers so I'm hoping for the best for those children.

Kelly said...

Nancy,
I'd rather them just pick up the "Depends" and STAT. I don't want them to tell me "damn you're old. I will say this, when I shave each morning and look at myself in the mirror, I'm the luckiest guy in the world, knowing my girlfriend still thinks I'm hot. Trust me, I pull my face from side to side, up and down, wondering what I looked like 10 years ago. Age is such a bitch.

TVsnarkie said...

That was Hailey, you know the one you guys used to like.....
I'll address this since I will admit I did like her, at one time.

WTF does "you guys" mean? We are many different people with different opinions. When you make a statement like "you guys" are are assuming we all think as one. It's very insulting coming from somebody who can't pick a screen name.

Hailey disappointed me and, I'm sure, her parents. I don't think she's a bad person. I think she's stupid, ill advised, impulsive, sleazy, emotional and immature.

---------

Blowhan, Kate Major and Hailey were all Jon's friends. So was Skantaro. They were all there for Jon, trying to get what they could from his fame and notoriety. Once they couldn't "get anything" from Jon. It seems they all banded together against him. They share a lawyer. I wouldn't doubt if ALL OF THEM were working for TLC (yes, conspiracy theory) and were sent to set Jon up in compromising situations.

What "career woman" quits her job for a married man with 8 kids AND a girlfriend? Blowhan is a known fame-whore, using his own kids (hmmm??) to try and be famous himself. He doesn't have talent, he's Lindey's dad.

TVsnarkie said...

I want to apologize for my tone in that last comment. I think maybe I reacted to the "you guys" because I WAS one of Hailey's biggest supporters and I'm just damn ashamed of my gullibility. Sorry Anonymous, didn't mean to be so snarky.

(you too, Administrator. This blog is #1 right now and I'm very proud of you!!)

Kath said...

Jon and Lindsey Lohan should do a show together.

Nancy said...

Kelly,

Well my kids already bug me about being old they think it's funny me not so much.... so I will mention the depends to them so they are prepared in advance and know what is expected.

Seriously I know I am doing the right thing but is the hardest thing because my ex is really an a** but they love him and I have to respect that. So life goes on and we get them through the teenage years cause to them 40 is really really old ;)

Anonymous said...

Actually, Michael Lohan is a no talent blowhard but does have an incredible wealth, not by his own talents. His inheritance from his family pasta business was in the millions and like his daughter, chose to parlay that fortune into party nights and forego the reality of being a real dad. Both he and Dina are true slugs and neither of them should get the benefit of a quote as long as they live.

Michael Lohan is truly the lowest of low. He's a scumbag who uses others for his step up the social ladder and cares nothing about anyone but himself. The fact that he once called Kate Major someone like a daughter to him and now he's engaged to her speaks volumes about his penchant for young children and shows what his fantasy is......a Daddy, daughter scene.

Kate Major is a perfect choice for him. Both of them are leaches who will suck the blood from anyone if it gives them the fame and noteriety they need.

The Lohans, the Majors, the Gosselins should all be put on a bus, driven to North Korea and their fates never known other than the fact that they are working in a chain gang, breaking rocks and not smoking them.

Michael Lohan is an earthquake that no one wants, no one deserves and everyone runs from the minute he shows his ugly, long chin face. Kate Major is a tabloid writer who is one step lower than a spin doctor that spreads her legs for money or the thought that she'll get close to it. The two of them deserve each other like two black widows eating their young. I just hope when they devour each other, none of the two are left to tell the rest of us, how horrible the taste was.

TVsnarkie said...

NICE, anonymous 7:09. All true.

Kath said...

Anon 7;09 you are hilarious and speak the truth.

If Jon gets with Lindsay Lohan and Mike marries Kate Major, there will be less than two degrees of separation between him and his daddy-daughter fantasy.

I dont get it said...

My ex had a problem with the white powder, as did several of his friends...and NOT ONE of them had a pot belly. Unless you know firsthand that Jon is using, and after watching every horrible minute of my ex's implosion I don't believe for one minute he is, it's heinous to make such a statement.

Kelly said...

Sorry for posting as anonymous about Michael Lohan. I'm still trying to get used to this site.
Kelly

SchmeckyGirl said...

Wow I missed a lot today! Kelly you crack me up. Glad you have a good relationship with your kids. And I wish the best to the other poster with the a** ex-husband. I forgot your name. Sorry.

So Kate makes $100k a month from TLC? And just got a million for her new book? Plus got $200k from DWTS... And has known about her new TLC show for a while while she is crying that she HAS to so DWTS to support her kids? I'm glad this all came out. Let her try to explain why she NEEDS to be away from her kids after that.

itsaboutthekids said...

She's greedy and a star wannabe. It kind of puts a damper on her excuse of "needing" to work thousands of miles away, doesn't it? I hope people pull their head out of the sand and start paying attention to the lies. She also said the kids were in counseling and didn't List say they weren't? Big lie.

Linda from NS said...

@ Anon the Kart defender. Sounds like you ARE Kart. Go away or have the guts to post your real name....oh wait, if you are Kart then your "real" name posted wouldn't be true either since Kart is a pathological liar.

Anonymous said...

Oh boy, on GMA this morning they had the Gosselin custody story on--of course they spun it in Kate's favor. They had comments "0n the street" saying how Kate "HAS" to work--that doesn't make her a bad mother, etc. Then, the hosts said maybe Jon's just "jellus" of the attention that Kate is getting on DWTS!
Why would Jon be "jellus" of Kate's dancing debacle?
Why can't a father want to spend more time with his kids?
Kate only "has" to work to provide herself with the lavish lifestyle she desires.
Kate seems to love jetting off and spending time at hotels and spas.
She also loves the attention.
So, let her go off and pursue her dreams of being the next Rachel Ray, Martha Stewart or Oprah.
And then let Jon spend time with his children while she's away -- simple. What's so wrong about that? Most divorced parents wish that the non-custodial parent would take more time with the kids.
Jon may be a doofus and made stupid choices, but that doesn't make him bad parent.
(BTW, I agree with the posters who said that if Jon had a "problem" with the powder, he wouldn't have a pot belly.)

Anonymous said...

The annoying Anonymous above is Pattypie from Sage's blog.

itsaboutthekids said...

That's not surprising and pretty evident by the attitude and style of commenting.

itsaboutthekids said...

http://tvwatch.people.com/2010/04/08/will-you-watch-kate-gosselins-new-show/

GO VOTE! People.com is taking a poll on Kate's new show:

Yes, Kate and her kids make great TV
or
No, I'm not interested

NO 60% YES 40% so far with 19,433 votes.

Many negative comments. People are tired of her.

marnie said...

Ok everyone - with the official announcement of Kates TWO new shows on TLC - one of which WILL feature the kids - I guess this means its true that when Jon settled with TLC he agreed to let the kids be filmed again.
These people have stooped even lower than I ever imagined. Unbelievable.
I am waiting for Aunt Jodi or her sister to come out and say something. They were publicly supportive when Jon stopped the filming. What do they think now? I hope Jodi's sister updates her blog.

Linda from NS Canada said...

Do you think that Kart's makeup is deliberately done this bad to make her look as hard a nails? I kind of get the notion the hair and makeup crew hate her and are deliberately making her up this way and she's too stupid to realize it.

Anonymous said...

Ugh! I have had it with the "struggling mom" sympathy stories!!!! How in anyway shape or form is she a "struggling mom"??????? My neighboor has a family living with them because they lost their jobs/house/etc. and are trying to start over. She is a "struggling mom".
Why do people buy into that story?
And, why don't they think, if you are "struggling" why not have Jon take care of the kids instead of paying five people to do it?????!!!!
Ugh! If she wins this one I am moving to Canada!!!

Anita M. said...

KATE DOES NOT HAVE TO WORK! She can stop working right now, TODAY, and never work another day in her LIFE and stay home and bake cookies like she fake-cries that she wants to (right) and she wouldn't have a poor day in her life.

That woman is a despicable manipulative liar and con artist and it's amazing to me that someone so completely lacking in character and moral fiber and concern for her kids is rewarded with TV shows, attention and gobs of money!

I mean, really, she is the living end. The epitoime of everything that is wrong in the entertainment industry. She's not even talented at anything! She's not interesting, she's not funny, she's not likeable or friendly, she's not humble, she doesn't do good deeds in the world, she doesn't bring a single gotdamned good thing to anything she touches.

It's just mind-blowing. What's the lesson? Be an attention-starved greedy fame whore and you'll go far, kids. You can abuse your spouse on camera for four years and it won't matter. ON camera!!! You can run all over him in the divorce and custody proceedings and it won't matter. You can, amazingly, cry poverty to anyone who will listen (WITH A CAMERA, PLEASE!) and there will still, miraculously, be people who BUY IT! You can run from your kids as fast and as often as possible, but as long as you still MENTION them all the time and make fakey "I heart you" signs on TV, people will still, somehow, against all evidence to the contrary, think you are just a devoted mother doing her best.

Good Lord in heaven.

I think Kate fans must be from the same line of people who eagerly lined up to buy snake oil back in the day.

I'm no longer watching DWTS. I will not watch any single show that gives Kate even a moment of time. Even mentioning her deserves my boycott. I've gone to the ABC/DWTS site and racked up a list of advertisers to boycott.

She doesn't exist. Her 15 minutes were up two years ago, but she's still around, but that doesn't mean I have to look at her or hear her or support with my viewing time ANYTHING she's on. We already never watch TLC at all in this house and haven't in two years.

She's disgusting. A textbook narcissist and grifter the likes of which the public hasn't seen in a long time.

Those poor kids. Some will be just like her. All will grow up damaged by her. I just hope and pray they get good counseling someday to recover from having her as their mother.

PatK said...

I'm sure these "specials" they're planning for the kids will just be more free trips to places filmed during their summer break...can you say "Statue of Liberty"? Sorry, but the kids are no longer cute or interesting.

I hope Jon is proud of himself for allowing the exploitation gravy train to continue.

Administrator said...

I agree PatK, the kids are no longer cute or interesting. The little kids will be 6, the twins almost 10. Although I like kids, I think 6 is one of the most obnoxious ages ever, next to 10.

Anonymous said...

Great post, Anita M.

"It's just mind-blowing. What's the lesson?"

I guess the lesson to be learned is that our president is correct about the problems in our education system in the US. When I read the multiple "Team Kate"comments and posts all over the internet...that appear to be written by teens (due to the grammar, spelling, and juvenile viewpoint)...I am appalled at the lack of critical-thinking skills...in addition to the horrific math skills.

That someone's ability to add several numbers is SO poor that $100,000/month TLC income + $21,000/month child-support income + residual and book income + $1 million new book advance + income from DWTS and the other TV appearances SOMEHOW = "Kate NEEDS to do this so she doesn't have to go on welfare"....is to me, a frightening lack of simple math skills.
That so many seem to lack the ability to recognize that income that is somewhere in the neighborhood of a million dollars plus/year and barely scraping by to avoid going on welfare are not even remotely CLOSE...is truly "mind-blowing"....and makes me fear for the future.

The thought that people all over the world are reading these comments...is embarrassing, to say the least.

dee3

Anonymous said...

Actually, the most obnoxious age ever is 15. (I have a 15 year old daughter, God help me.)

BUT y'all are right: the kids are not cute wee ones anymore and even a lot of Kate fans watched just because they were little and cute. The older the kids get, the less interested people will get.

AND bonus! The older they get the more likely they are to say what they feel and act up on camera, etc. In other words, totally annoy Kate to no end.

Awesome. Go for it, kids.

mommyinca said...

Here's what I think about the kids acting out. They may be angry at Kate and act out but they are still so young that their little hearts are still conflicted. They love their mother. They depend on her. She could beat them every day but they will still defend her because she is their foundation.
She will manipulate them into behaving for her on camera. They will do it either out of fear or to make her happy. Happy mommy= no yelling/hitting/fear.
My mom was emotionally and physically abusive. (by today's standards). She had a mental illness and spanked us ALL THE TIME out of anger. She would hit me if I dropped a dishtowel while doing the dishes. She was also obsessive about cleaning. We had to keep our rooms SPOTLESS or she would threaten to send us to an orphanage (a few pairs of socks not perfectly folded would warrant this type of threat).
However, through all of this, I loved my mom. I would cry when she would go out with my dad for dinner etc.
All this to say, that the kids may be angry or mad right now but they aren't going to stand up to her and say "We are not filming anymore because we want our childhood back". It's not their responsibility to do that anyway. It's the adult's responsibility to PROTECT the children. If Kate is not doing that, then Jon needs to be. If Jon is not doing that then, I would hope, other family members will step up and speak out.

(My mom now is a different person as am I. Her and my dad are awesome grandparents and I have gone through lots of therapy to deal with her parenting but I (at 37) have come to a place where I have forgiven her for her abuse and am grateful that she is able to be a much better grandma than she was a mother)

itsaboutthekids said...

From US Magazine article "Inside Kate's Train Wreck"

They said the Easter egg hunt was last minute for Kate because she learned Jon was having one on Sunday. A bit of one upmanship? "Adding to his ire: he discovered Alexis, 5, had strep throat! Says the source, "She had a fever and told Jon she had been sick for days, but Kate had said, 'It's just a cold.'"

Remember pictures of Jon and Alexis coming out of the pharmacy over Easter?

Administrator said...

Oh gosh, poor baby. I'd like to think that's not true, but this is the same woman who dragged a child with DOUBLE ear infections out to dinner, who belittles their health issues (oh, they're fine, they still want to play like normal!) dragged a constipated sweet little boy to the furniture shop ... all because the show had to go on.

Administrator said...

And I assume Jon's Easter Egg hunt was out back, where the paps couldn't see.

itsaboutthekids said...

"It's just mind-blowing. What's the lesson?"

I guess the lesson to be learned is that our president is correct about the problems in our education system in the US. When I read the multiple "Team Kate"comments and posts all over the internet...that appear to be written by teens (due to the grammar, spelling, and juvenile viewpoint)...I am appalled at the lack of critical-thinking skills...in addition to the horrific math skills.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Anita & dee3,

I think your reasons are right in some cases, but I think there is also the mindset of many people that once they've taken a position on an issue, they will never ever admit that they might have been wrong. I guess they think it will make them look weak, but I think it takes a strength of character and is admirable to be able to admit when you are wrong. That's why you can put black and white evidence in front of them and they will still make excuses. JMO

Anonymous said...

Kate is willing to criticize Jon's GENITALS on national TV!

Please get the facts straight. Kate has never said anything about Jon's genitals...Hailey did.

Anonymous said...

If Kate was really denying Jon visitation he would have been telling every media outlet in the world.

His custody agreement and divorce have nothing to do with TLC and they could not have stopped him from speaking about it.

I don't know why it is so hard to accept the fact that Jon was probably too busy with other things mainly young women and partying to be bothered with seeing the kids.

Hopefully now he has come to his senses and truly want to spend time with his children and be a real parent to them.

I just don't believe he would have been silent on this matter. There are ways he could have made it known if it was true.

itsaboutthekids said...

Kate Gosselin's Attorney Reacts to Jon Gosselin Filing for Primary Custody

Copyright 2010 Angela Weiss Stephen Lovekin / Getty Image

Attorney to reality star mom Kate Gosselin tells ET that the legal papers Jon Gosselin filed seeking primary custody of his eight children is "defective on a number of levels."

Jon is asking that a Pennsylvania court, among other things, "set an appropriate custody schedule that is in the best interests of the children" and review the current child support agreement.

Attorney Mark Momjian says he is preparing a response to the document filed by the father of eight Wednesday, April 7, and "believes the timing of Jon's filing speaks loudly."

Jon filed the complaints just weeks after Kate's first appearance on "Dancing with the Stars." TLC announced today, April 8, that Kate is returning to TV along with her eight children for a show titled "Kate Plus 8" and another series called "Twist of Kate."

Anonymous said...

To anon 11:22 I have to ask why is it so hard for you to accept the FACT that Kate IS keeping him from the kids?

And kids aside, what is wrong with our society when we look at a woman wearing $500 shoes and living in a $1mil house, driving a $50-70,000 car and say that her best option is to make a fool of herself on national tv to be able to pay for it???? What are we teaching our children here?


And Jon isn't being silent on the issue of custody...he filed papers and is going for it, his lawyer is speaking out. If Jon went to People and did an interview TLC would have him back in court before you could blink. He is in the best position to bring the "brand of Kate Gosselin--Supermom ($$$$$$$)" down and I think they will do anything they can to stop him.
--MK

SchmeckyGirl said...

Anonymous said...
If Kate was really denying Jon visitation he would have been telling every media outlet in the world.

His custody agreement and divorce have nothing to do with TLC and they could not have stopped him from speaking about it.

I don't know why it is so hard to accept the fact that Jon was probably too busy with other things mainly young women and partying to be bothered with seeing the kids.

Hopefully now he has come to his senses and truly want to spend time with his children and be a real parent to them.

I just don't believe he would have been silent on this matter. There are ways he could have made it known if it was true.
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1) I think Jon is barred from making any statements in the media unless TLC approves it.

2) He wouldn't have been silent and made it known? There were "anonymous sources" stating that Kate wouldn't let Jon have more time with the kids. That didn't work because they were "anonymous sources". Now Jon let his attorney speak for him. I think that constitutes making it known even if he himself can't speak.

SchmeckyGirl said...

Why does Kate's lawyer feel the "timing" is so important!??! Of course he's going to bring it up now that she's on DWTS... that's the reason she's not with the kids enough! The show is in CA and she has to practice dancing. He wants to spend that time with the children and she said No. So he takes her to court. Makes sense if you put the two together.

Jupiter said...

No matter how Jon handled this there would be a number of people to say that he was wrong. Jon is not well spoken and he is reactive in his decision making. That is his style and I take that into account when I am considering this situation.

Unless Jon has a PROVEN drug issue (he doesn't) or a DOCUMENTED pysch eval (he doesn't) there is noreason that Kate should have gotten the children, the home, the money and a hefty child support payment. NO WAY. Something smells fishy here. I wonder how they got a judge to sign that order?

Hope For Jon said...

marnie said...
Ok everyone - with the official announcement of Kates TWO new shows on TLC - one of which WILL feature the kids - I guess this means its true that when Jon settled with TLC he agreed to let the kids be filmed again.

These people have stooped even lower than I ever imagined. Unbelievable.
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Is it possible that she is getting around that by filming them for “specials” rather than a regular series? I thought at one point, they had agreed that whoever had visitation decided whether they would be filmed during that visitation time. (Does anyone remember anything along these lines?)

If yes, is it possible he is seeking primary custody to have them more of the time, and thus be able to prevent filming? I don’t want to get carried away giving him too much credit, but I think we should wait and see how this plays out before condemning him. After all, she’s the one with the PR advantage…

kath said...

I wouldn't be surprised if the judge was on the TLC payroll too

Anonymous said...

Shoot...sorry for coming all the way back here...but TMZ posted this today:

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Jon & Kate Plus 8 - Part Deux?

Originally posted Apr 11th 2010 1:00 AM PDT by TMZ Staff

Jon Gosselin is "definitely open" to co-starring with ex-wife Kate Gosselin on a new TV project -- with one big string attached ... TMZ has learned.

Jon's lawyer, former assistant U.S. Attorney Anthony F. List, tells TMZ "under the right circumstances" Jon would do a show with Kate, but "the contract would have to be tighter." He did not elaborate, but we're guessing it has something to do with the way TLC cleaned Jon's clock in court.

List did not say what type of show he'd like to do, but said having Jon and Kate around the kids more would be a definite plus.

List says Jon would "love to settle" the latest legal dispute he ignited. TMZ broke the story that Jon filed legal papers asking for primary custody and child support. But Jon will press on with the case, unless Kate gives up her "global commitments." According to List, Jon feels Kate can't have it both ways -- being both a star and an attentive parent.

List says he and Jon both feel Kate is "addicted to the paparazzi." He says even if Kate is booted from "Dancing with the Stars" on Tuesday, he won't drop his custody case because Kate is "caught up in the glamour of Hollywood" and will take other jobs.

Now if Kate brings Jon along for the Hollywood tour, well apparently that's a whole other Oprah.
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This makes me very concerned on behalf of Jon...and concerned about this particular attorney. Jon needs a very competent attorney who will act in his best interest....and is hopefully not a limelight seeker himself.
IMO, Jon was royally shafted in his divorce agreement and his attorney at the time, Heller, who turned out to be related to Hailey Glassman, did a terrible job of being an advocate for his client, Jon.
This current attorney, Mr. List, was apparently thought very highly of by Jon's late father...who had apparently asked him to take care of Jon in the future if he needed legal assistance. I had hoped this new attorney would be competent and out for Jon's best interest.

But this post on TMZ has me very perplexed and concerned....and not in a good way.

dee3

kath said...

I wouldn't be surprised if the judge was on the TLC payroll too

Anonymous said...

Shoot...sorry for coming all the way back here...but TMZ posted this today:

---------------
Jon & Kate Plus 8 - Part Deux?

Originally posted Apr 11th 2010 1:00 AM PDT by TMZ Staff

Jon Gosselin is "definitely open" to co-starring with ex-wife Kate Gosselin on a new TV project -- with one big string attached ... TMZ has learned.

Jon's lawyer, former assistant U.S. Attorney Anthony F. List, tells TMZ "under the right circumstances" Jon would do a show with Kate, but "the contract would have to be tighter." He did not elaborate, but we're guessing it has something to do with the way TLC cleaned Jon's clock in court.

List did not say what type of show he'd like to do, but said having Jon and Kate around the kids more would be a definite plus.

List says Jon would "love to settle" the latest legal dispute he ignited. TMZ broke the story that Jon filed legal papers asking for primary custody and child support. But Jon will press on with the case, unless Kate gives up her "global commitments." According to List, Jon feels Kate can't have it both ways -- being both a star and an attentive parent.

List says he and Jon both feel Kate is "addicted to the paparazzi." He says even if Kate is booted from "Dancing with the Stars" on Tuesday, he won't drop his custody case because Kate is "caught up in the glamour of Hollywood" and will take other jobs.

Now if Kate brings Jon along for the Hollywood tour, well apparently that's a whole other Oprah.
---------------

This makes me very concerned on behalf of Jon...and concerned about this particular attorney. Jon needs a very competent attorney who will act in his best interest....and is hopefully not a limelight seeker himself.
IMO, Jon was royally shafted in his divorce agreement and his attorney at the time, Heller, who turned out to be related to Hailey Glassman, did a terrible job of being an advocate for his client, Jon.
This current attorney, Mr. List, was apparently thought very highly of by Jon's late father...who had apparently asked him to take care of Jon in the future if he needed legal assistance. I had hoped this new attorney would be competent and out for Jon's best interest.

But this post on TMZ has me very perplexed and concerned....and not in a good way.

dee3

Administrator said...

And I assume Jon's Easter Egg hunt was out back, where the paps couldn't see.

Anonymous said...

If Kate was really denying Jon visitation he would have been telling every media outlet in the world.

His custody agreement and divorce have nothing to do with TLC and they could not have stopped him from speaking about it.

I don't know why it is so hard to accept the fact that Jon was probably too busy with other things mainly young women and partying to be bothered with seeing the kids.

Hopefully now he has come to his senses and truly want to spend time with his children and be a real parent to them.

I just don't believe he would have been silent on this matter. There are ways he could have made it known if it was true.

Anonymous said...

Great post, Anita M.

"It's just mind-blowing. What's the lesson?"

I guess the lesson to be learned is that our president is correct about the problems in our education system in the US. When I read the multiple "Team Kate"comments and posts all over the internet...that appear to be written by teens (due to the grammar, spelling, and juvenile viewpoint)...I am appalled at the lack of critical-thinking skills...in addition to the horrific math skills.

That someone's ability to add several numbers is SO poor that $100,000/month TLC income + $21,000/month child-support income + residual and book income + $1 million new book advance + income from DWTS and the other TV appearances SOMEHOW = "Kate NEEDS to do this so she doesn't have to go on welfare"....is to me, a frightening lack of simple math skills.
That so many seem to lack the ability to recognize that income that is somewhere in the neighborhood of a million dollars plus/year and barely scraping by to avoid going on welfare are not even remotely CLOSE...is truly "mind-blowing"....and makes me fear for the future.

The thought that people all over the world are reading these comments...is embarrassing, to say the least.

dee3

Gosselin kids all the way said...

Jennifer B.
Well said and I wholeheartedly agree with every word you said. It bugs me when a 'woman' gets a free pass because she is a 'woman' and there is a perception that females cannot abuse their spouse or child. Some people give them excuses but if the role was reversed, there is no way Jon would have been able to get off scot free like Kate did and go on various media outlets, talk shows, dance shows, etc.

I feel that Jon is being treated like how some 'rape' victims are treated in court/public by others saying that they bought it on themselves and it's their own fault. Obviously it's not the same but the mentality of some people out there are saying that "if Jon was a man and stood up to his wife" or "he was a wuzz" etc. When you are being abused verbally, physically, emotionallY, spiritually and being humiliated not just in private but publicly, I'm sure any backbone you might have had would have been worn down long ago. In that situation, it's just easier to keep quiet and let the abuser go on their rant instead of fighting. If he was thinking of his kids, he might have just thought it was easier to let Kate do what she wanted with him instead of venting it onto the kids. Sorry for the long post!

Anonymous said...

Now if this was Kate, people would be all over it.
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2010/04/photos-pam-anderson-escorted-out-club-0

Anonymous said...

Kate only boo-hooed she couldn't pay her bills after Jon took money that wasn't his to take but was for household bills. And if I remember right was ordered to pay it back.
I never said Jon couldn't care for his children when Kate was away I said he was away so how could he care for his children.
It seems he has nothing to do now so he's back.
Who said Kate wouldn't let him be there when she was away. Did you hear her say that??

TVsnark said...

Looks to me that a lot more like her than hate her.

Really? if you read the Two, count 'em, TWO, Kate love sites, yes, it seems more like her than hate her. However, there are over a dozen sites that say otherwise.

TVsnark said...

Kelly, Thanks for commenting, it's nice to hear a man's point of view.

I agree. Jon cannot get a break. Some of Kate's fans think "women should support other woman" but what about HUMANS supporting the better HUMAN? Jon is a nice guy. He still has family and friends. Why are the fans so blind to the fact that NOBODY in this woman's life likes her, unless they are PAID to say so.

FYI: BLowhan is marrying Kate 2.0. Didn't he once say "she's like a daughter to me?" That's just GROSS.

Administrator said...

No wonder Kate tried to get all her $$ from Jon in the form of child support. Child support is TAX FREE. Alimony, however, IS NOT. Cash only please! Sound familiar?

itsaboutthekids said...

Maybe Kate shared her wine with her lawyer.

Anonymous said...

Maybe there are no lies. Maybe you guys just sit here and spin. We will see. So far you guys have not managed to get anything right.
But it does make for a fun day of hateful blogging

Anonymous said...

"And she brings in the ratings and I doubt she cares about people with such small minds."

I doubt she cares about anybody...except herself.

And those who she brings in the ratings for don't care about her either.

dee3

just wondering said...

Jodi & Kevin risked everything to get those kids away from the cameras and didn't speak up until they were signed on for 40 episodes. I would have done the smae thing in their position.

New Hamshire said...

Anonymous said...
Oh for God's sake New Hampshire,
Its a cheesy dance show. They make lots of money.
Get over your rage. She's having a good time. Her kids think she's beautiful.

April 7, 2010 3:27 PM

I guess you did not go to Law School.

Kate is the cheesy one. Actually, sleazy is the better word.

Her twins are probably mortified at the sight of her in that red costume. And now a new book of letters. They are helpless to stop this relentless, lying famewhore.

Anonymous said...

Looks to me that a lot more like her than hate her.
And she brings in the ratings and I doubt she cares about people with such small minds.
Her life goes on no matter how a group of people feel about her.

Kelly said...

Don't you just love the way ROL is making Jon out to be the douchebag on this latest filing? That guy couldn't get a break if he offered to cut out his heart for this woman. Why shouldn't he get a break on those ridiculous child support payments and she's raking in all sorts of bucks?

Anonymous said...

Administrator, I hope you are feeling better very soon.

One reason why Jon might worry about what Kate earns from TLC might be the concern that if he was responsible for her losing the payment, he would then have to pay even more for child-support?
I'm still quite baffled as to what was used in the child-support formula to determine that he could even afford $21 grand/month in the first place. I agree with Admin. that it would be unlikely that much of his inheritance from his father would be left...and that even IF it was held in a trust, that there would be enough in it that he could afford to pay THAT much each month? His father was a dentist, not an oil tycoon.

And being totally unable to figure out HOW this figure was determined, it's also difficult to figure-out what things he's contractually obligated to in this contract with TLC. I had assumed he was still being paid by TLC as long as he did not break the contract...including not revealing any info about TLC....and that this is how they came up with the child-support amount.

But if Kate's getting paid and Jon's not...how was he supposed to pay 21 grand a month? How did they come up with that calculation in the formula? And how has he even been managing to pay it?

dee3

itsaboutthekids said...

how can they deny him the right to seek employment?

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This is how. Kate got paid by TLC only if Jon didn't work outside of TLC

16. Defendant received certain payments from TLC television network through a contractual agreement. Said agreement was contingent upon Plaintiff not rendering services to
any person, company or entity other than TLC through the term of the contract

itsaboutthekids said...

"You watch what Kate does next. She's going to parade those kids around on the front lawn"

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That might be too little too late as far as a court is concerned. Besides, her time away from home is well documented. She can't deny that.

Anonymous said...

Hey Admin:
That is exactly the way I just read the papers.
I cannot believe a judge or arbitrator signed off on this kind of weekly custody thing with these two. Wow.
No wonder there is so much Khaos. I get it now.
I absolutely hate this for the kids.

Will this take a long time to settle? I think it would be better for the court to issue a custody schedule? Giving Kate all that leeway was a recipe for this kind of disaster.

Kate sure knows how to make herself look bad especially if this is proven true.

I hope things are resolved in the best interests of the kids.

~Irene~

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