Tuesday, May 11, 2010

Unbelievable. Kids right back to work. And Collin is still covering his face from the Paps


Colin, CENTER, hiding from the Paparazzi AGAIN outside Austin's Restaurant in Reading. And the media is starting to notice. Still think he must just be playing peek-a-boo? This is the second fourth time he's been seen in public trying to hide his face. It's not peek-a-boo anymore, it's happened too much:





Their first full day of being six years old and apparently with no school today, where else would the Gosselin kids be but back to work!





The kids paraded their new birthday presents for the cameras for the upcoming Kate Plus 8, which starts June 6. Explain how this is different than the Dionnes. We will forever stand behind this: It is not okay to film children's private moments like this. And it is not a parents' right to exploit their children just because they're the parents.

http://www.radaronline.com/node/29848

After, Kate took the kids, along with Steve and a nanny, to Austin's Restaurant in Reading (above), where Colin hid his face on the way in. How did the Paps know to show up there? Either they are tailgating them, or someone is tipping them off--both of which are scary.

http://www.celebrity-gossip.net/kate-gosselin/kate-gosselin-continues-sextuplet-birthday-celebrations-361160

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Carolina Gal said...

socr8s said...
A couple of things:
It was posted on another site that according to the Greater Reading Online that Steve & Gina were divorced as of April 2009.
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"We" (a group from another blog, no longer up) already checked this out last April, extensively, and then rechecked it! Different Steve Neild. Plus, they spell their last name differently..one is nEIld, the other is nIEld. Also, one of the ladies on our blog lived in the same neighborhood as the 'real' Steve...she knew also it wasn't him.

I think you are making a mistake, for what it's worth, protesting anywhere. The only thing that is going to work is NOT watching the show. But, as someone up thread said, I see more "I was just flipping through channels and watched for a minute" comments than you can shake a stick at. Whether some want to admit it on not, there is a sick attraction to this woman, and the only way to get rid of her, is to not tune in to any of her shows. Now, what the kids will have to live with after she goes away, is another story.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I do not want to get into the should CPS be involved debate--I am in no way suggesting the Gosselin children are being abused (other than being exploited), I really don't know. But to say that because Children's Services is not involved there must be no abuse is simply absurd logic. Do you know how many cases of abuse get by social workers every day? Abuse can go on years before children's services ever gets wind of it. Someone has to initiate a referral. Someone has to report it. Often that is not done because 1. children, even abused children, love their parents and hide the abuse and 2. parents hide the abuse. It is a rare child who sells out their parents, children are like puppies. They love mommy and daddy even if they beat them. In the United States, social workers can't just invade whatever home they please checking for abuse without a reason first.

And by the way, child abuse cases are confidential, so we don't know if social services has ever been involved. Just like we are often told we don't know that, you don't KNOW social services hasn't been involved with this family.

Anonymous said...

If a report is made children's services has to check it out.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Yes that's true. Your point? It's still confidential. We don't know whether a point has or hasn't been made or checked out or even whether they have a current case in court, some kind of family preservation case. Kids are often left with parents while social services oversees things--it's all confidential and speculative.

IATK said...

Thank you for the clarification Admin. I know for a fact on a personal level that children can be abused for years, claims can be made to CPS and numerous other social service agencies, and even petitions made in the courts, and yet without enough absolute proof, the abusive parent is still allowed unsupervised visits in their home where the abuse continues. I'm sure it happens more often than anyone would like to admit.

Anonymous said...

the should CPS be involved debate--I am in no way suggesting the Gosselin children are being abused (other than being exploited), I really don't know. But to say that because Children's Services is not involved there must be no abuse is simply absurd logic. Do you know how many cases of abuse get by social workers every day? Abuse can go on years before children's services ever gets wind of it. Someone has to initiate a referral. Someone has to report it. Often that is not done because 1. children, even abused children, love their parents and hide the abuse and 2. parents hide the abuse. It is a rare child who sells out their parents, children are like puppies. They love mommy and daddy even if they beat them. In the United States, social workers can't just invade whatever home they please checking for abuse without a reason first.

And by the way, child abuse cases are confidential, so we don't know if social services has ever been involved. Just like we are often told we don't know that, you don't KNOW social services hasn't been involved with this family.
May 12, 2010 7:23 PM

I didn't say that if children's services isn't involved, a child can't be abused. I referred specifically to the Gosselin children, who are not your average children. If there were evidence of abuse, do you really believe that it would go unnoticed with all the attention paid to these particular children?

You are correct that we don't know if children's services is involved. We do, however, know that the children have not been removed from the home.

Kelly said...

Okay gang,
Here's the itinerary for tomorrow and just a heads up.

I will be contacting the following:

1. Montgomery County Police to ascertain if permits are needed for the protest.

2. Determine where the protest can be held and stay within the bounds of the law

3. Once all information is gathered, notify TLC/Discovery of the date and time so they can have equal time

4. Notify WJLA TV, WTTG TV, WJZ TV, WBAL TV, WMAR TV of the pending gathering.

5. Make ABSOLUTELY NO mention about Jon and Kate plus 8, Kate plus 8, Twist of Kate or anything to do with the Gosselins. This is NOT about the Gosselins. IT's about child exploitation.....PERIOD.

Any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated

Kelly said...

Admin,
I don't want to get into the CPS debate either. I don't think for one minute that the Gosselin kids are being physically abused either. Harmed??? Yes!!! Put out for public consumption where, instead, they should be protected??? YES!!!

Why are we as parents so turned off by this show and this circus? Because the children should be anonymous, protected and shielded from all that is out there who can harm them.

There are those out there who have ill intentions and children can't protect themselves form predators. Only the parents can.

I've said this time and time again and don't want to harp on it but I've seen FIRST hand what happens to unsuspecting children who trust everyone and don't know what harms way may confront them.

I was involved in this case 34 years ago when we thought nothing of kids getting up early in the morning, delivering papers to all the neighbors homes and we just expected them to come home and all would be fine.

WARNING!! this if graphic and an interview with the perp who was responsible for this nightmare that beset Baltimore County Maryland initially but then encompassed two other states.

http://www.citypaper.com/news/story.asp?id=13919


This is the very reason parents should protect their children, keep them out of the public eye and don't promote them so the parent benefits.

It's about the kids.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Thirty Los Angeles County children in the past two years have been killed while in the custody of their own parents WITH SOCIAL SERVICES INVOLVED PRIOR TO THE DEATHS. In other words, an open case. I don't say this to in any way suggest the children are in danger, but simply to point out that social services cannot be trusted to protect every child out there. Many, many, probably more than would make you comfortable, slip through the cracks. Heck, the Gosselin children slipped through the permit cracks for years. Cracks are there in all aspects of our government and regulations, it's a reality.

Look up this statistic, it's been widely reported in the Los Angeles Times.

Social services is far short of a perfect system. Even they feel the fine line between minding their own business and letting parents do what they want with their own children and, oh, I don't know, stepping in when something is WRONG.

In general, statements Kate supporters often make such as "I'm sure we'd know about it if it were happening" or "If it were really that bad CPS/police/teachers/whoever would be involved" and "I'm sure Jon and Kate wouldn't let this, that or the other happen" and simply make no logical sense. Things are overlooked all the time and parents make bad choics all the time. Colin has now hidden his face from the cameras four times now. Four separate times.

Irene S said...

Hey Kelly, Yes, please contact me if you want on facebook.

Here is what I posted on facebook to start.

" Kelly, a great blogger, is going to host a Protest on 05/26/2010 in front of Discovery Communications. Please join if you live in the immediate area. We are asking all signs be generic in nature depicting that reality programming should cease in Tlc. Things of that nature. Our goal is to not give Kate Gosselin free publicity but shine a light on children who work for TLC with, little or no pay, no contracts, no safeguards, no protection from a 3rd party that does not have a vested interest. Please meet at One Discovery Place Silver Springs, Md 20910 @ noon. Spread the word. Our country has been a melting pot of protests. Please join us virtually on facebook, or on blogs like GWOP, 15 Minutes Gosselin style, Small town Gosselins and/or Reality without Apologies."

Thanks for a great day bloggers & Admin. Kelly, if you need me to contact media outlets or anything just ask. If anyone lives in the area contact people you know etc. Spread the word. If it only ends up being you Kelly or 50 of you it is all for the kids. At least we tried.

Anonymous said...

My computer does not have an Intel chip.

PLUS>>>>> boycotting advertisers DOES work. They HATE bad publicity.

We need to list them on all the Kate websites with their phone numbers and emails.

This is the only thing that will work, but it does not happen overnight. Could we use Facebook??

pm

Anonymous said...

Carolina Gal said...Whether some want to admit it on not, there is a sick attraction to this woman, and the only way to get rid of her, is to not tune in to any of her shows. Now, what the kids will have to live with after she goes away, is another story.
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That's about it in a nutshell. There's an entertainment, venting/"snarking" value to blogs as well, whether anyone wants to admit that. I think some people have learned some things about the Gosselin wreck that have enlightened them, and perhaps even turned them from fans to not fans, but for the most part, I believe that the continual attention paid to them all is a form of exploitation in and of itself. Then again, I wonder how many people will turn on the show because of all the controversy, who wouldn't have otherwise?

When I saw the pics of Collin I was sickened and sad, but did not comments because I knew someone or some ten or twenty would say what I would have said. I don't want to add to the continual exploitation of those children.

AuntieAnn said...

Any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated

Kelly, is there a celebrity that might be willing to avail themselves to the cause?

CJ said...

Kelly ~ The article was extremely disturbing. I read every word of it, not sure why I didn't stop after the first paragraph. Probably the worst part of it is ... there are many more like Arthur Goode out in the world. I understand completely what John Waters was trying to make us understand, because I too have walked through Dachau. For all the people out there who can't wait for the Eight to return - just remember there are many more pedophiles walking the streets, watching the reality shows, looking at the online celeb sites salivating over the pictures of little kids.

Justice for All said...

Hi Kelly.

Kudos to you for this undertaking. In addition to the media outlets you have targeted for notification about the protest, I would suggest that you also include any representatives of Oprah Winfrey. She is now a partner with Discovery Communications, which owns TLC. You can politely let them (and her) know that many people are completely disheartened and disappointed that she, through her partnership with Discovery, is supporting child exploitation.

Oprah has built a reputation on helping people and battling against all forms of injustice. It would be quite interesting to see what would happen if she is drawn into this.

It might even be a good idea to have a very large sign on protest day saying something simple like:

Dear Oprah,

Please help stop the exploitation of children on reality TV shows.

AuntieAnn said...

Anonymous said,
When I saw the pics of Collin I was sickened and sad, but did not comments because I knew someone or some ten or twenty would say what I would have said. I don't want to add to the continual exploitation of those children.


I would disagree with you there. Commenting on blogs like this are helpful in exposing what's wrong with kids on reality shows. Embarrassing the suits at TLC and the parents who are willing to exploit their own children has a negative effect on their interests whether or not they are willing to admit it.

Lauren said...

What can the West Coast posters do in support?

IDModo said...

I think I've said this before on this blog but I'll repeat it. Go to the PA dept.of Public Services website. Look up PA child abuse laws. What Kate and TLC are doing is NOT CHILD ABUSE in Pennsylvania! Rep. Murt is looking into this issue. THe PA child abuse laws are extremely narrow and completely outdated. There is no way that they could apply in this situation.

Anonymous said...

" Kelly, a great blogger, is going to host a Protest on 05/26/2010 in front of Discovery Communications. Please join if you live in the immediate area."

TLC LOVES publicity, whether it is negative or positive. The only thing a protest is going to do is to give them something they love. Are you really sure you want to do that? It's free advertising for them. Protesting is not going to make any difference in their decision to film. It's all about money and greed. They have no morals. If media attention is gained through this, it will only make the curious even more curious to watch the show.

Anonymous said...

"Kids are often left with parents while social services oversees things--it's all confidential and speculative.

Not in PA! Recent case here. Someone phoned CPS and fraudulently made an allegation of abuse against another couple to get revenge on a personal issue. CPS IMMEDIATELY entered the home and removed the child while the case was being investigated. When it was determined (and the reporting party admitted it was a false allegation) that there was no abuse, the child was returned to the home.

Anonymous said...

"Our goal is to not give Kate Gosselin free publicity but shine a light on children who work for TLC with, little or no pay, no contracts, no safeguards, no protection from a 3rd party that does not have a vested interest."

Maybe that's not the "goal," but that's exactly what is going to happen. TLC and Kate Gosselin will benefit from the free publicity.

Better to go to Harrisburg and make your concerns known there. They are in the position to legislate changes for the children of reality television.

Irene S said...

If TLC loves the publicity that they USE, EXPLOIT, & PUT profits before the needs of children, well then at the end of the day....They are worse then I thought as a corporation.

In the Gosselin scenario, TLC purchased dogs for show then when the kids were attached & the parents could not accept the responsibility the dogs were exiled. I bet bloggers here could come up with about 100 of these examples of how the Gosselin children have been exploited for the bottom line...PROFITS. Go 15 Minutes!

Linda in NS said...

IMHO the one and only effective way to get those kids off TV is to boycott the show sponsors products and services. That's what I will be doing. I may have to (GAK) watch one show just to find out who the sponsors are but I will be writing letter after letter after letter.

GKWay said...

Hi Irene & Kelly, (I also posted this on the FB page)

I sent a letter to Paul Petersen at AMC letting him know about the protest and received this email back from him. Great job guys! (GKWay)

*************

I can't see another cross-country trip, although I'm sure some of our "locals" will show up to support the protest.
I have to be in PA on June 3rd as it ...is...another legislative hearing.
The sad truth is that TLC, as you correctly said, is without conscience.
It's the Law that is going to do them in...that and the reality of "Disaffirmance" when the twins turn 18.
I'll be writing more on this, so please, stay tuned to AMC.
Best,
Paul Petersen

Irene S said...

Thanks Gkway!

Kelly,
Janet from a Minor Consideration facebook page will not be able to attend on such short notice but is willing to see if she can get some people to attend.

Admin, this would not be possible without your help in the blogging world. You have your heart in the right place & great intentions. Keep shining a light on the hypocrisy. This is not a show that is 23 minutes of children's lives. This 23 minutes consumes their childhoods. That is not fair, and is unconsciousable of TLC to keep this up, after all that has transpired.

LifeinOH said...

GKWay said...
Hi Irene & Kelly, (I also posted this on the FB page)

I sent a letter to Paul Petersen at AMC letting him know about the protest and received this email back from him. Great job guys! (GKWay)

*************

I can't see another cross-country trip, although I'm sure some of our "locals" will show up to support the protest.
I have to be in PA on June 3rd as it ...is...another legislative hearing.
The sad truth is that TLC, as you correctly said, is without conscience.
It's the Law that is going to do them in...that and the reality of "Disaffirmance" when the twins turn 18.
I'll be writing more on this, so please, stay tuned to AMC.
Best,
Paul Petersen

Good Job GKWay!

A thought: If PP is referencing a hearing with Mr. Murt in PA on June 3, why not have the peaceful protest there in conjunction with the hearing?

Lolly said...

Hi.. this is fantastic, I am NV, I only wish I could be there. I will support anyway I can, though.

Also.. Linda in NS said...
I also agree that boycotting the sponsors is a HUGE step. I cannot even watch these shows to find out who is sponsoring. If a list can be made somewhere, count me in writing letters.

Kelly, you are really a standup guy.

Lolly said...

Admin

Of all the sites, I am so happy I found this site. It is not hateful, and everyone has great concern is for the children.

Carolina Gal said...

Admin. - Would it be possible for you to post links at the top of this thread, to the other pics of Colin covering his eyes, so the 'sheeple' can see for themselves, that it's not just on one ocassion and/or outing?

Nancy said...

There is a new entry on Kates TLC Blog and I know it's shocking BUT She is complaining about her kids again and trying to figure out how to run away....

Anonymous said...

I haven't seen this link posted here. Sorry if I missed it.

The blog is mistaken in saying they are filming for "A Twist of Kate" but check out her facial expressions and especially check out the first picture of Collin sitting in his little car. He looks depressed and defeated.

And look at the expression on her face in the third pic down. She is scowling and pointing directly at Collin.

A lot of people tell Kate to go away and take care of your kids. Personally I wish she'd stay as far away from them as she can get.

http://infdaily.com/2010/05/kate-gosselin-lays-down-the-law-filming-twist-of-kate.html

Anonymous said...

Kelly,

This is simply not true. This protest is absolutely about the Gosselin kids. Nothing wrong in stating or supporting that. This blog wants the kids of the air right now. Correct? The new filming and Colin covering his face spurred all of this. Also, I have to agree, a protest at the PA goevernment site is where you all should go. 10 people holding signs in front of the Discovery building will just look silly. And sadly, I bet that is all the turn out you will get. Get Murt involved, Jodi and Kevin, and do it locally.

IATK said...

Anonymous said...
I haven't seen this link posted here. Sorry if I missed it.

It appears the children are being given "direction" on just how they should be spontaneously playing and it looks like, according to the script, some of them aren't doing it right. I'm not at all surprised.

Anonymous said...

people have too many kids then they cant take care of them. And think the only way out is to put theyre family on tv for all of america too see. TLC needs to know we dot want to watch little children on reality shows. Theyre private lives need to be private and not on tv for all to see.

Anonymous said...

Nancy said..."There is a new entry on Kates TLC Blog"

Don't you mean TLC's fake Kate blog. Kate isn't writing that blog. It's just one more way that TLC is lying to the public.

brk said...

This is simply not true. This protest is absolutely about the Gosselin kids.

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Why can't it be about ALL KIDS? We were disgusted with filming BEFORE we saw Colin hiding his face. Some of us were trying to stop filming 2 years ago.

ALL CHILDREN need protection.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said..."It appears the children are being given "direction" on just how they should be spontaneously playing and it looks like, according to the script, some of them aren't doing it right."
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Those pictures are as upsetting to me as the ones of Collin covering his face. Kate, the great director browbeating her 6 year olds into acting happy!

Collin looks as though he's slipped off into his own little world to escape her ranting and raving.

Kelly said...

BRK,
You are so correct. This is about ALL children. The Gosselins just were the springboard for everyones disgust at parents using their own flesh and blood to enhance their living standard.

Quite honestly, I could care less about the Gosselin kids. If they were like all the other kids in this world who lived a normal life, were left alone and just grew up like all kids do no one would even know them.

The fact that these selfish parents who are so self absorbed that they stoop to the level they have gone to, JUST TO SUPPORT THEIR FAMILY, boils my blood.

We all have issues raising kids, keeping a family together, paying bills, meeting mortgage payments, car payments, insurance, food bills and all the other incidentals that come with renting space on this planet. None of us are immune.

Somehow, we all figured it out, stepped up to the plate, made the sacrifices, scraped along day to day to provide. Some of us have been more successful than others but in that success, most of us didn't use our kids to achieve that.

Those of us who didn't achieve that dream of big houses, hot cars, summer homes in the Hamptons and all the trappings of wealth, well, we hung on to our family, provided for them the best we could and stood with our principles, belief's and protected our kids so we could send them out in the world as well adjusted, educated, self supporting individuals.

Many of us, in fact, MOST of us who even read these blogs are doing so because of the outrage we feel about parents who are sacrificing their children for their own benefit.

So, YES, being truthful, this is about ALL kids who are being set up for a reality show who's parents think they can benefit like the Gosselins at the cost of their own kids.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know if filming by TLC was done inside Austin's restaurant?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

It's very interesting there was never a big book tour when that was such a huge part of the other books. Now the window is almost gone with the book doing so poorly.

Anonymous said...

Kelly, you said it. Just last night I upgraded my teenaged son to a Blackberry as a grad present; he also needs a rental tux for his prom then a new suit for his graduation. I am not only honored to bestow these things on him, but also obligated. I am his parent and he is the child. Maybe in 40 years or so our roles will be reversed but for now I provide for HIM. The Gosselins have it backwards.

Laura D.

Kelly said...

Admin,
I think the book tour is as plausible as trying to find Atlantis, the lost continent. Kate going on a book tour to promote this folder of letters written on bar napkins would be a laughing stock, much like some of my responses. Should I do the book tour venue too?????

AuntieAnn said...

Anonymous,
You are right. Without a doubt she browbeats those kids and orders them around the way she did Jon. The infdaily photo is disturbing. Then again Kate is disturbing. Little Colin looks like he just escapes inward. I know pictures just capture a moment in time and nobody runs around with a smile on their face all day long every day, but I lost count of how many pics show up of her with that miserable frown on her face. If she's got something to bitch about it certainly isn't that she's overwhelmed with parenting because she handed that job over to other people a long time ago. Her problem is she can't keep up that phony ideal mother image she thinks everyone has fallen for, in front of the camera. If everything doesn't go her way she flips out. Compromise isn't within the realm of a narcissist's thought process.

AuntieAnn said...

Admin,
I think the book tour went the way of the cookbook tour. It didn't. That would be humiliating for most people, but Kart already said if nobody buys it it's okay, her kids will know how much she loves them...or some drivel like that. God, she's sickening.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I'm still waiting for someone who supports Kate to explain why this filming is different than the Dionne filming I pictured as well. The Dionnes of course later wrote the book on why you shouldn't exploit multiples and Canada paid them a million dollar settlement. At least Canada took responsibility for their mistakes. I wonder how this would have turned out if these kids were born a few hundred miles farther north.

Crickets.

Kelly said...

If you notice the pictures of Kate standing out there, in the driveway, in front of the garage, aka "Stage", she was doting, smiling, happy and the kids were all riding in Fisher Price cars that they were too big for.

Then, the "Paps" have pictures of Kate taking the kids to a restaurant. How convenient. There isn't a picture of Kate taking these kids anywhere until TLC begins filming again.

When was the last time you saw Kate take these kids anywhere????? The only pictures we have seen for the past 8 months is Kate getting a tan and a manicure. She's never taken the kids out to dinner but then again, TLC was paying for the meal and her BFF, really big BFF, Jamie was there to assist Kate. Hmmm, something tells me that Jamie is more than a family helper. JMO..... I'm just sayin.......

AuntieAnn said...

Admin,
Actually I think it was four million, but still it was far too little too late for what was done to them. Dollars don't make up for what they were robbed of. I don't think the Canadian government, nor Canadians would stand for it if the Gosselins tried to pull off what they're doing up here. Lessons learned.
Kate's supporters don't like to discuss the comparison, so you might grow old waiting for an explanation from them. Somehow the catastrophe of the eight is the 'haturs' fault. ???

Joe said...

Jessica Julie,

Did anyone tell Jodi that Steve is not Kate's boyfriend? I believe the rumor took on a mind of its own when she whispered that on National TV.

justme said...

The Fisher Price cars are to small for the tups. They should have had bigger bikes for their birthday and ditch the ones Oprah or Ellen gave them on the show.Of course, the power wheels make the tups look more child like.Like the bibs and high chairs at 5yrs old.These kids are not allowed to grow up to fast.If they had new bikes all six would be taking off in different directions.Can't get good shots that way.The power wheels keep them herded together.

Linda in NS said...

How about a protest in front of the headquarters of the sponsors. The picket signs could read "XXX supports child exploitation via TLC". That is the kind of publicity companies would not want. If the protest is in front of Kate's house or in front of TLC it may help but won't carry as much power.

Auntie Ann: Actually the Canadian government paid out a 28 million dollar settlement to the surviving members of the Dionne family.

In Nova Scotia, if you take a nude picture of your baby and try to have it printed, you are out of luck. The retailers will not print nude photos of your own baby as it is against child porn laws. Kate, showing the kids poo on TV , would never make it past the cutting room floor if it was filmed in Nova Scotia. The same as Jon helping Collin with his impacted bowel; another no-no if it was filmed here.

Irene S said...

Yes, Kelly, I thought the same thing about the Fisher price cars. They are 6. The window for those kinds of toy is in the 2-1/2-5 range although I am sure the kids like them.

Also, Admin is righ there is no amount of money worth taking these children's privacy away.

I think too that our tax dollars support art/entertainment in our states in some way, shape or form. So in other words, our tax dollars could be contributing to this whole mess.

Joe- the married boyfriend, confidant, rule follower, handler of Kate's mouth/bodyguard is an inappropriate relationship @ best....many other things at worse. So, please stop blaming it on Aunt Jodi...I am spreading the rumor now!

Puddymoors said...

Okay, so Kate has a new Blog post up, once again talking about how her kids cut in to her life! Someone bring me a tissue or two.
________________________________________________
[quote] The Complaint Department is Closed

Loud and coming right at me. A low roar getting louder with each passing second:


“He hit me.”


Well, she hit me first.”


“No I didn’t. You took my Polly and wouldn’t give it back!”


Enter kitchen right.


“Mmmmmoooommmy!!!!! He's following me!”


“No, I'm not. I have to go to the bathroom too!”


Oh, no. Here comes another one – this time from kitchen left!


“Stop staring at me!”


“I'm not. I was looking at the stink bug on the wall behind you!”


“Yes, you were!”


“No, I wasn’t!”


“You’re staring at me right now!”


“No, I’m not. I’m talking to Mommy!”


Help! Where is my referee uniform???? Honestly, this is every minute of every day in my house with eight kids!! OK, I'll admit it. There are the sweet moments of love and compassion to balance these never-ending stressful encounters, but for some reason, these unloving loud outbursts are what I tend to remember.


I'm to the point where I hold up my hand and say, “I’m not the complaint department, and I don't like how black and white stripes look on me, so go work it out. If you can't, I'll help you.” And I leave it to them. Most times I'll give them the words to say like, “Tell him that you don't appreciate it when he does that. That it isn’t nice.”


Then I go back to my task at hand, usually making dinner, while mentally devising my plan the next time I hear the stampede of unrest coming my way! Just the other day, at about altercation No. 219, when I heard the first sounds of disagreement I considered running in the other direction and hiding … just couldn't think fast enough WHERE! No joke! (Any other moms know the feeling?)


I never knew this “tattling” thing could be this emotionally tiring and time consuming! Not until I had two almost-10 year olds and six 6 year olds, that is! And I have a feeling there are many more jungle outbursts to be handled …


Help me!!!!!!!!


~Kate [/quote]
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My response ... and we'll see if it gets posted!
[i]You think 8 is a lot, trying doing it with 30! Welcome to the world of the teacher. I feel that telling the kids to sort it themselves is extremely irresponsible, but par for the course of your usual parenting style.
My advice: send the kids to the Nanny when they are having problems, everyone knows you employ at least one. Why not make use of them ... isn't that why you pay them?[/i]
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I'm not a parent, but I am growing increasinly tired of Kate painting herself in the Madonna role. Self-less and giving, she's trying to make Mum's feel bad. 'Look I can do it all, and be beautiful (perception) and cook organically, and live in a gorgeous house, all by myself and with 8 children too. No other mothers should complain because they obviously aren't doing it right if they can't cope.'
It makes me sick!

Good luck to the protestors. Aside from the fact that I'm on the other side of the world, I would love to have come along. Rest assured I am already busy writing to magazines that publish articles on the Gosselins.

pa mom too said...

Great point, Kelly. Where were all the pictures of Kate taking the kids places before TLC started filming again ? There weren't any because she didn't take them anywhere.

I heard they headed to Disneyland in Florida now. Does anyone know if that's true ? Missing school again for more filming. Way to go Kate and TLC !

GKWay said...

Here is a quick video from 2 editors of US magazine talking about how Khate is still 'moping' after being kicked off DWTS, apparently she thought she'd make it to the top 4 and missing the spotlight. Wow, is she ever delusional!

http://www.usmagazine.com/moviestvmusic/news/kate-gosselin-still-moping-after-dwts-ouster-2010135

Kate's not feeling so great.

After getting the boot from Dancing with the Stars April 20, Kate Gosselin is "moping" back at the $1.1 million Wernersville, Penn. home she shares with her eight kids, a source tells Us Weekly.

PHOTOS: Relive the past year of Gosselin drama in our scrapbook!

Despite savage critiques and scores from DWTS' judges, the reality mom "was sure she'd make it to the final four," the source adds.

Anonymous said...

"She's never taken the kids out to dinner but then again,"

How do you know that? You/we aren't around them 24/7!!! We haven't seen them going on play-dates, or reading before bed, or drinking a glass of milk at home, or going to movies. Just because we haven't seen a photo doesn't mean that it never happens!! Don't get me wrong, I think the fact that these kids are being exploited to support their parents is absolutely unconscionable, but one cannot say for a fact that "she's never taken the kids out to dinner" is really stretching it...

former fan said...

Jon and Kate, you win. Your kids lose. What you are doing is worse than abortion. You are taking their lives away from them, just as surely as if you would have aborted them--but they know it, and feel it everyday. You have aborted their childhood for your convenience.

Kids do not care about the big house, nice cars, the trips that they are too young to ever remember; they don't care about clothes, cars or fame. They only care about you. Those kids only wanted a family that loved and cared for them; that took time to listen to them and be with them, play with them. They wanted a mom and a dad to sit down to dinner with them every night, and read to them, and draw with them, and tuck them into bed at night and listen to their prayers. No one in this world is ever going to love you the way those precious little souls do.

And you are selling that love for stuff that doesn't matter; and for fame that won't last. You are giving away what would last forever, for something that is here for only a short time. You are trading the admiration of strangers for the love of your children.

Fools. Damn fools.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Kelly, you said it. Just last night I upgraded my teenaged son to a Blackberry as a grad present; he also needs a rental tux for his prom then a new suit for his graduation. I am not only honored to bestow these things on him, but also obligated. I am his parent and he is the child. Maybe in 40 years or so our roles will be reversed but for now I provide for HIM. The Gosselins have it backwards.

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Since when is it a parental obligation to upgrade a child's phone to a Blackberry? Are you kidding?

I'm way too old to have had a cell phone while in high school, but I'm pretty sure I paid for my prom dress with money I earned working. I was hardly a deprived child.

It is not a parental obligation to bestow fancy gifts on their child. Many a non-deprived youth will make it through high school without owning a Blackberry and be just fine.

fidosmommy said...

OK, is that blog entry for real?

Maria said...

My response to Kates new blog post: As a mom, the complaint department is NEVER closed. I can relate, but I don't give up. Especially at a young age, it's going to be essential that we as parents train our children in how to handle conflicts with guidance. Left to their own devices it can get harried as power struggles start and less aggressive kids will give in to the more passionate and aggressive kids. We need to empower both the quiet ones and the louder ones to have strength in their convictions. I would encourage you to take the dinner off the stove for 5 minutes and sit with the children to discuss issues and how to handle them. 5 minutes isn't a long time, but it shows children that you are there and present in their lives and more important than whatever other task is at hand.
You are the parent, the teacher, the guide. You shouldn't leave 6 yo to come up with a way to solve their own problems if you haven't trained them and taught them well already. If you are showing frustration, it reflects on the children and how they behave with each other.
Watch sometimes how a preschool/kindergarten teacher works with a class of 15 to 20 5 yearolds all by themselves. They deal with conflict resolutions and can teach at the same time. It's amazing how it can be done.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Where does Kate think the kids learn to complain about things like "stop staring at me"???

"Jon, stop breathing!!!" Ring a bell?

fidosmommy said...

My parents could afford to buy me anything I needed and lots of stuff I just wanted. But they wanted to teach me the value of a dollar and take responsibility for the extras I wanted.
I'm fine with that.

But the point of the post above, I think, is that the son is not buying his mom a Blackberry because he's the one bringing in the money for the family. He's the son, not the breadwinner.
Her obligatation is to him, rather than the other way around.

This is in stark contrast to the relationship between the Gosselin parents and their children.
8 children, mostly the sextuplets, are paying for Mom's pink phone, her trips to the salon, putting gas in her car, and paying the mortgage for the family. They are paying for needs AND
wants for Mommy and very possibly Daddy.

How is this right? Of course, there are some families where the kids do have after school jobs to help out the family. However, the vast majority are older than 10.

Irene S said...

These kids are paying for more than just 5 Pink Iphones!

former fan said...

One of the blessings of being a parent, is that raising kids teaches you so much. Overcoming adversity and dealing with problems, makes one grow in wisdom as they age. Every challenge we face is a chance to learn and grow. Every disagreement is a opportunity to experience love and forgiveness.

As her blog entry shows, Kate has never grown past adolescent self centeredness. She never learned the skills for coping with problems...she just runs from them, or pretends they are not there. "Can do Kate", can't problem solve. She cuts people out of her life, instead of working out the problems in her relationships. She never has learned to compromise or gracefully accept her loved one's opinions and allow things to be done their way. She wants grace from others for her personality failures; yet, she refuses to extend grace to even her closest friends and family. Selfishness isn't a virtue.

Self esteem and a sense of accomplishment do not come from money or beauty; they come from victory over circumstances--from making others happy and serving others--learning to be happy no matter what is going on around you. Life is hard and full of other people who also want their own way! Most of the time Mothers learn this selflessness at home, by putting the needs of their husband and children before their own. In this they find that their most heart felt needs are indeed met.

Kate puts her wants first at the expense of her relationships. She can not possibly pass on to her children, relationship skills she never learned. Skills she still refuses to learn. She tells the kids to "work it out", but she never, ever has worked out her relationships. She has never forgiven her parents, siblings, cousins, church members, Beth, husband or co-workers. She demands a standard that she refuses to meet herself.

She is modeling selfishness and tantrums to her children; who learn to follow her example. In just a couple of years, Kate will reap that crop of disrespect, discontent and misery...times 8.

LifeinOH said...

former fan - That was powerful. Bravo.

GKWay said...

I was over at GWOP and there was an entry re. Khate + 8 in Florida...so sad :(

Joanne said...
Got a call from my sister last night (May 13th) and she works at Discovery Cove in Florida. Said Kate and her 8 dollar signs were there most of the day.

My sister finally saw what I have been telling her all along. Kate is one snooty person. She walked around not talking to anyone and my sister walked past them and all she was doing was telling the kids to "hurry up", "keep up with me","move it".
Another worker saw them in the locker/bathroom and didnt know who they were but came out and said that lady was yelling at her kids, and one of the boys was saying "mommy mommy I need help" with a zipper and she completely ignored him.

A different worker came up to my sister and said "who is the lady who thinks she is better than everybody else"? lol (didnt know who kate was)
Steve was guarding her like she was sooooo important. My sister said is was laughable.

Of course she heard her shrieking when the camera was rolling but the rest of the time she was like a drill sargeant.
One of the boys was sick (throwing up). She thinks aaiden so he was with a nanny of course.
My sister said the kids are really little, more like 4 yr olds instead of 6 yr olds, and Maddy looks about 6.

I wont watch anything gosselin and I hope others dont. That is the only way we will be rid of this family. The kids are innocent right now, but they will grow up to be 8 entitled brats just like their mother, if someone dosent stop her.

dee3 said...

Admin said~

"I'm still waiting for someone who supports Kate to explain why this filming is different than the Dionne filming I pictured as well."

I suspect many of the fans want to know why WE are so worked up over the Gosselins and not all the other reality shows with children in them.

First, we are against exploitation of all children anywhere but specifically on reality shows and want to see them get a LOT more protection than they have...which is literally none.

But also, the parents are divorced and the children not only had to go through that while being filmed but are still adjusting to mom and dad not being together any more, their private moments were shown..being in underwear, going to the potty, etc.,they have been virtually cut off from most extended family members and are being raised a good bit of the time by hired nannies and babysitters, their mother does not seem to enjoy spending much time with them and looks much happier when gadding about, shopping, and promoting herself (which I"m sure the children pick up on).....but MOST of all, it's because...

KATE, when compared to all the other mothers on reality shows with children......would go to the ends of the earth to exploit them...because she is a TRUE narcissist. She only really cares about herself, when it comes right down to it....everyone else is just a means to an end for her.....including her children.

Irene S said...

WTH? What are the kids doing in Florida? What about school?

GKWay said...

Is pulling kids out of school to 'work' legal? Most of the time you need a doctor's note if the kids are sick for more then a couple of days. I wonder if Khate just tells the school that the kids are on 'holidays'. If this isn't 'work' but a vacation why does the kids need work permits? It seems illegal to me that kids are not in school but working but I'm not an expert on the law.

Anyone know how it works for kids to be away from school and be 'working' espeically since they are under 10 years of age?

GKWay said...

I find it odd that when Khate is home with the kids we see them in the tabloids but when they are filming or in a undisclosed location (Disneyland / Florida), the paps are quiet as mice and not even a peep. TLC/Discovery must be paying lots of people off to ensure their silence and cooperation.

No one involved with this 'scam' is willing to stand up for these kids. I find it surprising that even the people 'behind the scenes' are without morals or ethics. I understand the paycheque thing but you can always tell your story anonymously to someone that will listen (re. Rep Murt, FBI, etc)

It defies logic to me.

Anonymous said...

Didn't Jon and Kate say on SEVERAL occasions that if even one of the kids didn't enjoy being filmed, they would stop the show immedietly? HELLO, Kate! Collin obviously doesn't want to be part of this anymore!

GKWay said...

Do any of you ever feel that you are in a big soundproof bubble and you are screaming on the top of your lungs but no one can hear you? I feel like this is what is happening and we are all yelling and screaming but no one in the media is hearing us. Similar to "Horton Hears a Who" at the end when all the Whos were yelling, screaming to be heard by the animals (sheeples) that wanted to put them in oil. The head Kangaroo is Khate and the Whos are the kids and us bloggers.

I am feeling optimistic that a 'big blast' will blow the fog away and our voices, along with the kids will soon be heard loud and clear!

Thanks to Kelly, Irene and everyone that is doing their part (big or small) in getting people to be aware of TLC's child exploitation practices.

Anonymous said...

"Anyone know how it works for kids to be away from school and be 'working' espeically since they are under 10 years of age?"

In this school system (private) there is no doctor's note required. The teachers know what's going on...that the kids are being filmed. Parents take their children out of school for various short vacations, or perhaps a long weekend. That's not what concerns me. It's the fact that the kids are being taken out of school for filming, which may be a violation of the child labor laws. The law really isn't clear about that, but I'm trying to find out even as I write...

AuntieAnn said...

Whales, dolphins and children living in captivity all in one show...packaging exploitation now, TLC?

Chrissy said...

If the story on GWOP about the filming in Florida is true it is disturbing. Even though TLC placated the PA Dept of Labor by getting work permits, is anyone supervising to make sure they stay within work guidelines? (Are there even any work guidelines as far as hours allowed to work?) I guess they are going to be allowed to disregard labor laws again without penalty. Maybe this time the PA DOL will make them say they're sorry...

Kelly said...

Maybe someone can explain this for me. The kids are the ones being filmed in various locations, all scripted and planned. How does Kate get off saying that "This is my job"????

I mean, really, one of the kids cuts a fart and then Kate sits in a chair and gives a narrative of it. How is that "her job"???

AuntieAnn said...

Actually the Canadian government paid out a 28 million dollar settlement to the surviving members of the Dionne family.

Linda in NS,
Where is it documented the surviving Dionne quints received $28 million? Not that it matters anymore, but I've read it was four million from the Ontario gov't in several places.

Anonymous said...

"Even though TLC placated the PA Dept of Labor by getting work permits, is anyone supervising to make sure they stay within work guidelines? (Are there even any work guidelines as far as hours allowed to work?)"

Again...I'm trying to find out right now. That could be one of the issues that will be addressed when Paul comes to town next month. Yes, there are guidelines as far as the number of hours allowed to work. Hopefully I'll have an answer by the end of the day (as to the supervision question)...

Anonymous said...

http://www.nytimes.com/1998/03/07/world/3-dionne-survivors-accept-a-28-million-settlement.html?pagewanted=1?pagewanted=1

The New York Times headline says 28 million. But when you read the story, it's 2.8 million.

AuntieAnn said...

Thank you Anonymous. The Canadian Encyclopedia (among other sources) cites $4 million. Either way, no amount of money could ever heal the emotional scars those women were left with.

http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/index.cfm?PgNm=TCE&Params=A1ARTA0002306

Anonymous said...

"The New York Times headline says 28 million. But when you read the story, it's 2.8 million."

What a difference a missing "period" makes!!

That's what she said said...

--What a difference a missing "period" makes!!--

justme said...

In 1980 my daughter took a trip with my mother to Florida to see my sister. It concerned me that she would be missing a full two weeks of school.I didn't want her to go. My neighbor who was a elementary school teacher at the time said "It will be OK for her to go because trips are considered educational."I think she had to write a book report about her trip and share it with her class when she got back.I live in Pennsylvania,and if that's still the case, Kate might be passing these trips off as educational.

franky said...

I think the difference in the Dionne payout is the monetary difference at the time. 2.8 million American, vs 4 million Canadian. That being said, a childhood lost is priceless.

AuntieAnn said...

I'll bet Mady's book report would be a whopper.

Kelly said...

Please don't talk about "missing periods"

Just hearing that scares the bejeevies out of me.

Kelly said...

Maybe Mady's mom could write the book report for her. If Kate has a ghost writer, why shouldn't Mady? Maybe Beth Carson could get started on it.

Anonymous said...

Regarding the trip to Disney, if it's true, maybe Kate took the tups just for a day of filming. Yesterday was Thurs., the tups weren't in school. Maye she left Mady and Cara at home.

and this.....

GKWay said...Do any of you ever feel that you are in a big soundproof bubble and you are screaming on the top of your lungs but no one can hear you?
===

Yes, I know the feeling! I've been saying, everywhere I go, that "Kate's Blog" is not written by Kate. Even those who know what a schmuck she is continue to think she's writing that blog. Read it, it's so obvious. One of the blogs was written while she was in LA for DWTS. She wasn't there blogging, she doesn't blog. She's "above" blogging to her fans, better and more important than blogging. She doesn't care about her fans. It's smoke and mirrors, another TLC scam to keep the loyalist of the loyal Kate lovers close by.

AuntieAnn said...

No way she writes that blog. As bad as it is, it's better than anything she'd ever be able to put out. When Kart writes, as in the last two books, look what happens. She's got no talent for that either.
~~~~~
Kelly,
If Mady does write a book someday, I'm buying it. I think that little girl, as ornery as she is, has a couple of thousand pages in her ready to let fly on her mother. She's the only one who stands up to her. Katie dearest has her work cut out for her.

Jessica said...

See how things get started. Joe calls me Jessica Julie to plant that since I know info that I must be Julie. Well I am not. What people do not seem to understand is that Kate's antics are well known in PA. Julie is also no longer on any blogs except to put up appropriate materials on her site to stop the exploitation of children. Kevin and Jodi do not blog or read blogs as their work or mission is now at a critical junction. Joe is correct that Aunt Jodi did whisper what she thought was correct at the time and what Jon had told her. They have since learned that Jon's motives changed and they learned from that interaction with him. You didn't see Jodi and Kevin making comments at the hearing about anything other than facts as they knew them - Jon did a complete personality 180 and they were victim to it. That doesn't dismiss Kate or TLC and their financial motives to use the children and not previously file all appropriate paperwork or put protections for the children in place. The Pennsylvania Department of Welfare and Department of Labor let these children down. I do ponder if the children will be able to hold Jon, Kate and TLC culpable one day.

Anonymous said...

Regarding the trip to Disney, if it's true, maybe Kate took the tups just for a day of filming. Yesterday was Thurs., the tups weren't in school. Maye she left Mady and Cara at home.

and this.....

GKWay said...Do any of you ever feel that you are in a big soundproof bubble and you are screaming on the top of your lungs but no one can hear you?
===

Yes, I know the feeling! I've been saying, everywhere I go, that "Kate's Blog" is not written by Kate. Even those who know what a schmuck she is continue to think she's writing that blog. Read it, it's so obvious. One of the blogs was written while she was in LA for DWTS. She wasn't there blogging, she doesn't blog. She's "above" blogging to her fans, better and more important than blogging. She doesn't care about her fans. It's smoke and mirrors, another TLC scam to keep the loyalist of the loyal Kate lovers close by.

That's what she said said...

--What a difference a missing "period" makes!!--

Darcy said...

I have spent my entire career in advertising. And yes, the media buyers do make buy decisions for clients. HOWEVER, if a client says they don't want to run somewhere, the agency is not going to go against the client and buy it. The media buyers/planners make recommendations, not mandates. The client has to approve the buy, ultimately. So pressure on the client can have an impact, whether you think so or not.

Kelly said...

socr8s,
Yes, I do post on the ZonTV site.

fidosmommy said...

jibberjabbers said...
Colin has "puffy" eyes. Real reason behind the "covering" of his face?

http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/2430/captureqf.png

******

First of all, that is Joel in the link above, not Collin. Secondly, when the "hiding" pic was taken, they were wearing hoodies. This picture
shows Joel in a polo shirt. I am having trouble connecting the two picture at all.

Kelly said...

Intel doesn't care whether or not they are advertising or not on this program. Their ad agency does the purchasing of ad time on venues so vast and wide, they have absolutely no idea. The agency does the buying of ad time when the budget is determined.

There are others who are advertising through product placement that can't afford the network rates but get the plug none the less.

I will be happy to forward my information to Irene on her facebook page if anyone wants to contact me regarding this planned protest. As I am putting my face out there in the public eye on May 26th to protest this abuse, I have no problem with anyone who is sincere in wanting to contact me to ask me questions.

What I don't want is flamers, haters or those who want to make idle threats. Flamers and haters would be ignored but those making idle threats would be dealt with according to the laws that protect us from this abuse.

Sick of Kart and Jons Krap said...

What happened to rule #1?

1. Please do not use Anonymous unless you absolutely have to--like you have legit inside information

These people don't seem to be offering any inside information or anything legit for that matter.

GKWay said...

I just sent an email to Paul Petersen at AMC as well! Let's cross our fingers and hope it rallies some troops!

Good luck and Kelly, I will be thinking of you and thank you for your heroism and bravery! Whether the kids know it, you are their one and only hero! Make sure you bring your other cop friends so you don't get hassled by the other cops in the area.

Irene S said...

Thank you Kelly! Will pass on the word! It cannot hurt & I think it is a great idea!

Anonymous said...

Intel was a large sponsor of the show.

I don't see you turning your computers off.

itsaboutthekids said...

Anonymous said...

Itsaboutthekids said:

If you don't know these kids, how do you know they DON'T need help? And when did it become acceptable to tell others what causes they should or should not support?

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Maybe around the same time it became acceptable to tell others how they and should not raise their children?

It is ALWAYS acceptable to speak out when child exploitation / child abuse is suspected. If you don't see it, fine, your choice. I see it and I will continue to speak out, not only my right but my responsibility.

DeKonstruction Zlogger said...

Hi bloggers. Just wanted to stop in and say Hi. I love the tiger picture. Yes, Steve the married bodyguard sure is making the dough! He is with Kate alot more then his family gets to see him.

Anyway, Kelly, thanks for stepping up. I am offering for the protest day anyone who cannot be there to come to the facebook group, 4-8 Please boycott Kate plus 8 & TLC You can also link by clicking on my sign on name.

Hi Diane, NancyB & everyone!

~irene~

Sick of Kart and Jons Krap said...

Is there any way we can get a petition going and Kelly can present it to the offices at TLC? We would have to get it going viral since the date is coming up soon. Still, what I think it's really going to take is everyone not watching.

Digg, Reddit, FB, all the blogs we belong to, DWTS message boards, etc, etc, etc.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

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Maybe around the same time it became acceptable to tell others how they and should not raise their children?

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That was supposed to say "tell others how they should and should not..."

jibberjabbers said...

Colin has "puffy" eyes. Real reason behind the "covering" of his face?

http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/2430/captureqf.png

Lauren said...

Regarding a protest...

Protest at Discovery HQ - not the Orphanage.


1. I have read on another blog (now discontinued) that the local cops will TICKET anyone who EVEN STOPS in front of the orphanage.

2. Kate's PR will spin it to make her and the kids looks like victims.

Belleville NJ said...

Just my opinion but I think that you are crazy if you go to the house to protest for a couple of reasons. First of all, someone could get arrested - you need to seriously look into getting some type of permits. Secondly, it will draw attention to them and people will tune in to see the new show to see what all the hub-bub is about. It will give them ratings - or is that what this is about....ratings! I would not put it past her PR to pull something like this. After all, they've got to keep her relevant and in the news.....I'm scratching my head wondering if this is for real now.

NancyB said...

Itsaboutthekids said:

If you don't know these kids, how do you know they DON'T need help? And when did it become acceptable to tell others what causes they should or should not support?

I totally agree with you.

Anonymous said...

NancyB said...

Itsaboutthekids said:

If you don't know these kids, how do you know they DON'T need help? And when did it become acceptable to tell others what causes they should or should not support?

I totally agree with you.

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Maybe around the same time it became acceptable to tell others how they and should not raise their children?

Anonymous said...

I agree TLC/Discovery Headquarters is the place to protest. People need to protest there more than once. So they get it we dont like kids on reality shows.

it should be about ur own kids said...

No mommyinca we do not know these kids. All we see are pictures and we all draw our own conclusions. What I saw was a bunch of kids with one with his hands over his face. He could have been playing peek-a-boo for all i know since I could not even see his features to ascertain if he was smiling and playing around or not. If you know that much about that, you have a little problem. You know their likes and dislikes? Really? YOU know more about these kids than is healthy. These kids have been robbed by people like you who continue to post their photos and spend your time talking about them.

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