Thursday, May 20, 2010

Jon tees off

A round of golf for Jon.
http://blogs.babble.com/famecrawler/2010/05/20/jon-gosselin-takes-a-break-from-not-working-and-plays-golf/

132 sediments (sic) from readers:

Kelly said...

Let's see!! Kates in LA still doing the photo shoots last night while out and about on the town. Jon's on the links and both of them are doing this "for the kids".

MickeyMcKean said...

I'm going to go out on a limb here and *assume* that Kate is going to stay in LA between her gig on ET and having to learn a new dance for next week's DWTS finale.

If nothing else Jon could have time with his kids while Kate in CA ... and it appears that if this is his custody week Jon is able to work in a round of golf while the kids are at school; if he loses track of time I'm sure a nanny or two can pick up the kids at the bus stop.

I just wish I could see a photo of Jon at a golf course or riding around on a new fast rice rocket and not immediately think he is only able to be doing these things because his 8 babies work for a living in order to support their parents.

SAVE THE 8 - DO NOT WATCH KATE PLUS 8!!!

SchmeckyGirl said...

I found the title to that article very funny.

pa mom too said...

It looks like Jon has lost weight, which is good. But what is with that ridiculous hairstyle ? Is he trying to make Kate's crazy weave look better by making his own hair look worse ?

Suzanne said...

So its terrible for Jon to play golf? I guess he should be spending his time at the spa, the tanning salon, Nobu, the nail salon, on The View, on Jimmy Kimmel, on Leno and DWTS like her Highness!

Kelly said...

NO,
it's not terrible he gets to play golf. It's terrible he won't get a job. He's setting a good example for the kiddys. Bar hop, play with young college age girls and generally do nothing for a living. He has a pretty easy life. The only stress on him is on his belt buckle

sadiemay said...

Or maybe looking for a job.

SchmeckyGirl said...

It's not "terrible for Jon to play golf." I think every man should have a hobby or something they enjoy.

It's just funny considering that it seems that Jon hasn't worked in so long. Where is he getting his income? From TLC? For what? Is he STILL under contract with them? I thought his contract was up? Is he getting paid since he is allowing them to film his children?

I had high hopes for Jon being the parent that would do what is best for the kids. I'm disappointed in him. He seems like another one that will do anything for money.

Why is TLC keeping him under contract if they aren't using him? Why is he getting paid? So they can control him and, more importantly, control filming his children?

I'm sure Jon got a nice settlement in the divorce but is it enough to pay child support and live off?

I just don't understand why he isn't working. I know TLC controls what he does but to what extent?

SchmeckyGirl said...

Suzanne,

I rarely defend Kate, but at least she got paid for doing DWTS and prossibly The View too since she was a co-host.

Anonymous said...

Silly, his kids have been working since the end of April, that's how he affords golf!

They settled and he's back under contract with TLC. One would assume he's actually getting paid. I don't know people who are willing to be contracted without some PAYMENT in return.

JudyK said...

From what I've read from some very informed posters, TLC is paying Kate the $20,000.00 monthly child support Jon has been ordered to pay on the condition that Jon doesn't work. If he finds a job, it has to be one approved by them. They are, in essence, paying him to keep quiet and out of the spotlight. Plainly put, he is owned by TLC. And, by the way, my Mom called me last night complaining about the TLC show, "Toddlers and Tiaras," or whatever it's called, calling it child abuse. I told her that was correct. TLC seems to advocate and promote child abuse in their programming.

Justice said...

SUZANNE: And alot of what you mentioned Kate doing also generated $$$$ to support her family. Is Jon being paid to golf? If not, then he should be working. Is he on welfare? Get a job loafer or go take care of your kids.

French Canadian said...

Suzanne,

I rarely defend Kate, but at least she got paid for doing DWTS
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She got paid but did not pratice for the money..That woman doesn't evwen care what people think about her.

I'm happy for Jon if he could play golf and ride on a motorcycle...He is not with the kids...WOW! maybe he can't be with them...we all know Kate.

jibberjabbers said...

The thing is, TLC is PREVENTING Jon from getting paid to be on TV... Jon cannot work in the media.

And since Jon has been unemployed for so long, you really think he is "employable". Technology changes QUICK, especially in the IT field.

What job can he get? Fast food?

Sure Kate working, BUT Jon would be WORKING too if TLC wasn't RESTRICTING him from doing so.

Imagine if the situation was changed. Jon was working with TLC and TLC was BANNING Kate from working in the media.

The same people supporting Kate for "working" would be BASHING Jon for selling out to TLC..

They would probably want Kate to SUE Jon for all he is worth too.

SchmeckyGirl said...

Justine said...
Is Jon being paid to golf? If not, then he should be working. Is he on welfare? Get a job loafer or go take care of your kids.
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Take care of your kids??? They share custody. Maybe they were in school. Maybe it was Kate's turn with the kids when Jon was golfing. Maybe it was her turn when she was in LA the past few days. We don't know anything about their custody days.

As for Jon getting a job.... I agree that he should. It's frustrating to see him looking like he's just living the high life right now. He should get a job IF HE CAN. Maybe he can't. Maybe he tried and there is no work for him. Maybe he doesn't have to get a job because he has an income from TLC. He is under contract with them. For what I can't imagine, other than for letting them film his kids.

I doubt Kate gets paid to go to the salon. There's nothing wrong with her going to the salon, just as there's nothing wrong with Jon playing golf. I'm just tired of hearing them say it's all for the kids when it's obviously not.

SchmeckyGirl said...

French Canadian,

I was the one that said at least she got paid for DWTS in reply to Suzanne.

And yes, she couldn't even be bothered to practice for it is right. Kate needs a job just talking about herself. It really seems to be the only thing she's good at. IMO.

Nancy said...

I don't really see the issue or the need to discuss the fact that he is playing golf, people do it everyday whether they do or do not have kids or a job. Nobody has any idea what else he has been doing because he is apparently not allowed to speak. AND the kids are not standing beside him being photographed while he is playing.

I do not agree with what either of these parents have done and are doing to their children BUT him playing golf has absolutely nothing to do with that particular issue that I can see...

Just saying.....

French Canadian said...

SchmeckyGirl

The only place Kate can really speak about herself is in an psychiatrist office.

IDModo said...

You can bet that Jon made some sort of deal with TLC that provides him with an income.He needs to pay for the new apartment, pay his child support,look after incidentals such as food, clothing,transportation;the deal probably includes a clause forbidding him to take an outside job.
What should he be doing with himself all day while the kids are at school? at least golf is healthy, interactive, usually out of the public eye, and not embarrassing to his children.
"My dad's a golfer" sounds a lot better than "My mom's an incompetent dancer and TV interviewer." And the kids' peers aren't able to see his golf game on national TV and tease the G8 about it.
Having said that, I agree with Nancy, it's not really relevant to the issue of child exploitation.

Anonymous said...

Jon HAS a job just as much as Kate HAS a job. They BOTH work for TLC. They have both sold their children to the network so they can make money and do what they please. It's just that TLC PERMITS Kate to do things like go on ET and DWTS. Jon is not permitted to do things like that. It's such a double standard.

kimmie said...

just a question...do any of you who have kids think it's awful to be away from them? parents do get to enjoy some things (not always work) without their kids.

would you like people to say what a horrible parent you were for getting your nails done, tanning or golfing?

you know many many parents have jobs that take a ton of their time and have nannies to fill in for them. why do you pick on jon and kate for this?

Administrator said...

Kimme, do those parents put their kids to work on a TV show and rob them of their privacy and childhoods so they can afford the nanny (nannies), the nails, the tanning and the golfing? I didn't think so.

mama mia said...

Jon seems to have struck a golden deal with TLC. In exchange for which he is not being filmed with different women, or out partying and I believe he'll even hide the cigarettes because those are likely not sanctioned behaviour by the network. And Kate of course is keeping up her end of the charade claiming everyone is happy and healty and thrilled to have jobs/er life experiences.

TheresaB said...

Do you really think you are going to change minds here?
I'm away from my kids all day long and nighttime is precious. We don't take expensive trips but I can tell you which of my kids is left handed and which is near (or far)sighted.

Kimmie, nobody cares if Kate works away from her kids. Nobody cares if Kate makes tons of money in the entertainment business. All we care about is that the kids don't have to work with her.

Why should 6 year olds have a job? Why should the twins have a job, just cuz Mommy downloaded six at a time?

Why do you dislike children?

TheresaB said...

Kimmie, we don't "pick on them" for using nannies to fill in when they are working.

Why can't their father be with them?
Why can't their mother actually care for them while she's home?

itsaboutthekids said...

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2010/05/exclusive-jon-gosselin-looking-job

EXCLUSIVE: Jon Gosselin Is Looking For A Job

Jon Gosselin is looking for a new way to bring home the bacon, a source revealed to RadarOnline.com. The former reality television dad, who is limited in his options thanks to his settlement with TLC, currently is on the hunt for new career opportunities.

"He knows that he can't do any other television shows [because of the settlement] but would like to get out there and work to provide for his family," the source said. Jon pays ex-wife Kate child support for their eight children.

While he has been approached to do several projects like invest in new companies or be the face of a certain product, Jon wants something more substantial, even if that means working a normal 9 to 5 job again!

"Absolutely, 100 percent," the source responded when asked if Jon would consider going back to a "normal" day job. "He's considering different options. He's not looking for something short term."

Jon, who used to work in the IT field before he hit reality television fame, is simply looking for "something he can do well." He has learned from his mistakes and is moving on, focusing on his family and the future.
PHOTOS: Jon Does Work Around The House While Kate Does Shopping
"He's getting his life back together a little bit at a time," the source added. "He has a stable relationship with someone who has a job, he has his own place.
"He's exercising again, he's in a good place."

IDModo said...

Kimmie, I would HOPE that someone would call me on my parenting if I was getting my nails done and tanning several times a week, getting cosmetic surgery,making a fool of myself on national TV,forcing my kids to work, and then stating repeatedly that I do it all for the kids.
I have good and close friends that would let me know about that in a New York minute. And because I trust them, I would listen to what they were saying.
Unfortunately Kate only has sycophants and hangers-on whose livelihood depends on her keeping the farce going.She fires anybody that tells her the truth.

jibberjabbers said...

TLC is paying Jon not to work. He is under TLC's contract. Last we heard, he is paying 20k a month.

Obviously, since he isn't looking for a job. the 20k is COMING from somewhere.

Can Jon get a real job? Who would hire him? He's been out of the work force for 3+ Years. Kate and TLC has accused him of "breaking contracts", "Hacking, stealing, cheating" etc etc.

Carolina Gal said...

French Canadian, that's what really ticked me off. She made all that $$ on DWTS, for basically getting to hang out in Hollywood, be pampered by the hair and makeup folks, and get massages. What pisses me off about J&K is they are both lazy. Does neither of them have any 'passion' for doing a job and doing it well? If Kate put as much effort into being a mother as she does in being a 'celebrity', well, she'd be a good mom. Kate may be able to continue milking TLC and/or other shows for a bit, just for ratings, but what is Jon thinking? Does he think this 'life' he has now will last forever? He's a fool. I feel sure TLC would let him go to school. He should be busting his ass to get a degree, learn a trade, etc. and get busy doing it, cos TLC isn't going to continue to pay him just to let them keep the kids on TV! Those kids are fast losing their 'cuteness'.

itsaboutthekids said...

The bottom line, Kate (and TLC) uses her kids to sell herself whether they are with her working or not, but it wouldn't be nearly the conflict if the kids were at least allowed to remain off camera. To top that off, at times she sells herself as some sort of special mom among moms...a standard SHE and her PR have set for her, not us. EXCEPT now we also hear she's, "just a mom like all other moms." Which is it? Everything is a contradiction. Admittedly her PR team is probably partially at fault, but people get tired of being jerked around and manipulated. All I know is when you sell yourself as something special, and ask your public to buy it, you'd better live up to it. It seems many in the public aren't buying.

AuntieAnn said...

Jon, if you read here, please look up definition #1 for golf in the urban dictionary.
Kimmie, I pick on Jon and Kate because they are parasites who sold their own flesh and blood for a lavish lifestyle and robbed their kids of their childhood. For the record, Kate does NOT work. She flits around the states pretending to be a celebrity and is lucky enough to get paid for being outrageously devoid of any talent.

TheresaB said...

IMO, Jon should be a stay-at-home dad. If he was a woman nobody would be bugging him about "getting a job" and I think those kids NEED a stay at home parent.

Wasn't that the 'original' reason for the show? So one parent could always be home? Is Nanny Judy now a parent?

GKWay said...

There is no way, Khate would ever let Jon be a SAHD, it would wreck her image as the 'supermom'
who does 'everything' for her kids. Plus the fact, it would mean that she would have to pay support, ailimony, etc. No way would she ever part of her most cherished possession, which is MONEY! JMO, of course.

Irene S said...

Hey Kelly...what's up? Can you give us any updates?

Golfing...Well, the TLC twist/spin is alive and well. I don't feel the least bit sorry for Jon he had his chance to do right by TLC. I see no difference between him and/or Kate or TLC. They are using/exploiting 8 kids to make their way! Sad!

GKWay said...

I should add to my posting that I don't think Jon really wants to be a SAHD either or he would have gone all the way with his primary custody action with his attorney, Anthony List. Again it was Jon, trying to muscle his way to get more $$ from TLC and sell out his kids. Obviously, it worked for him cause he is still not working a 'normal' job and the kids are back to filming.

pa mom too said...

If it's true that TLC is blocking Jon from getting a media job, what is their reasoning behind that ? If Kate can work on tv, why can't Jon ? It's just like it was before...Kate can do anything she wants on tv, but Jon has restrictions placed on him.

Which brings up the point of ....WHY the Gosselins ? Are the Gosselin kids truly that much of a goldmine for TLC that they would stoop to such despicable depths , or is there more to this ?

The Names the Game said...

Jon didn’t appear to be lazy during the filming of the original show. He was up early, got ready for work, took care of the 8 kids, made and carried Kate’s coffee (with the exact amount of cream/sugar that she insisted upon) up to her, drove an hour to work, drove an hour home, bathed all the kids. On the weekends he painted, built furniture, cleaned the garage, carted, fetched, carried, made sure Kate’s car was filled with gas, ran errands, helped with the kids, played with the kids. And judging from the show, he did it all while trying to keep the peace and keep his demanding shrew of a wife from having one of her “meltdowns.”

When she went on book tours, Jon became a stay at home dad, and did it all 24/7. Didn’t Kate say no telephone calls unless it was an emergency when they were away from each other? She basically abandoned the family to play author.

Whether it’s true or rumor, during that time he was supposedly relegated to the garage apartment, and I never have heard an exact reason for that. Was it because he was unhappy with the whole situation? We do know he was miserable at the end of filming the 4th season… then divorce.

I don’t know how employable he is at this point. How much education has he had? Is the public at large under the impression (like Kate’s adoring fans), that he dumped Kate because of his running around with younger women and isn’t paying child support and never sees his kids? If so, who’s going to hire him? Everyone is saying he should get a job. Hells bells, there are millions of people out of work right now with more education and job experience than Jon has.

Gabby22 said...

Just remember....only ONE parent tried to get TLC out of their family, and kids off the air. ONLY ONE.

That parent lost.

And what ever happened to Kate's depression? Gone now that she is in LA WITHOUT the kids.

kimmie said...

i guess it's all a matter of perspective. i don't see kate and jon as having sold their kids' privacy nor do i think they make the kids work etc. i actually love kids. and if i thought the kids were being harmed by being filmed i would definitely say so.

also i don't believe kate goes tanning and gets her nails done that frequently. when she was on dwts i think she had her nails repainted for the outfits when she was home in pa. tanning you have to go every other day or two to maintain the tan once you get it where you want it. lots of moms do that...no not me actually, although i have done so in the past.

and i do not hate or love kate. i just think she has got a bum deal in the blogs for things that are way past or have been misconstrued.

Kelly said...

First of all, Jon wasn't running around on Kate, that we know of before he was outed with Deanna Hummel. Secondly, Jody and Kevin said, months before Jon was outed with Deanna Hummel that Kate confronted Jon, told him she was done and wrote up a contract that he could date whomever he wanted as long as he kept the "Brand".

Additionally, Kate was always off on the road trips with her "bodyguard" while Jon was home with the kids. IN fact, Jon was ALWAYS with the kids when he was filmed with Kate during their lackluster series.

Jon was always the one playing with the kids, doing the chores, putting up with her crap and just going along to get along.

Jon's a complete asshole but he doesn't deserve the lambasting he's gotten in the press as being a cheating spouse. His marriage was over from all accounts and Kate moved on. She abused him, emasculated him, browbeat him, talked down to him, berated him in front of the kids and the camera.

No guy would put up with that as long as he did and any male who did, deserves to have his balls hung out to dry. She was cruel, mean, abusive, full of anger, hate, bossy, bitchy and had I been in his shoes, I would have gotten an exparte to remove her from the house. We only saw what the camera allowed but I'd be willing to bet that the verbal abuse wasn't as bad as the physical abuse.

Irene, still waiting to hear from Montgomery County on the go ahead for next Wednesday.

Kelly said...

Kimmie,
I've got some ocean front property I'd love to sell you in Idaho. It comes complete with a surfboard, goggles and a brand new television set that actually works. Obviously, your's doesn't. I'm just sayin.

kimmie said...

kelly, why do you believe someone you don't know (jodi and kevin) over another person you don't know (jon and kate)?

kate wasn't always gone with her bodyguard. her book tours weren't such that she was gone for weeks/months at a time.

there are things we see (kate's behavior towards jon, although he gave as good as he got at times) and some things we don't. we don't know everything about this family. and we shouldn't.

it bothers me how people can actually hate people they do not know.

Anonymous said...

As for Jon being out play golf, he deserves that. I still think he's a dip, only because he won't get a job and relies on his kids to support him.

Every parent needs time off from the kids. Kids are born to drive you nuts and as much as we love them, we all need down time.

Jon can have all the down time he wants and it's no ones business. What he fails to see that all his down time is photographed and there are no efforts on his part to actually find work. He just wants to play.

So, he can play and we can comment on it. Most of the comments are negative because he isn't doing anything positive to be the standup Dad that he and Kate led the world to believe.

When Jon steps up to the plate, gets a job, gets his kids off TV, stops living off the kids, I'm certain he'll do okay. Right now, neither Jon nor Kate are doing anything but living off their kids and they are living large. Big time large.

They both earned and deserve the scrutiny that we give them on many of these blogs, as long as they continue to keep their kids in the Wernersville sweat shop. When the kids are allowed to live a private life, the family should be off limits. As long as TLC and the Gosselins continue to pimp the family out, they deserve all the negative remarks.

Irene S said...

Thanks Kelly.

Um, Kimmie thanks for your point of view & for being civil about it. I do respectfully disagree though about the deal Kate got from the blogs. This is Kate's own behavior that has caused such criticism.

Kelly, darn it, why did you have to put the man perspective on it. I do wonder what the real unscripted story behind Jon & Kate is. We'll see when Al Walentis book is released. Lordie bee. I just can't believe Jon didn't get good representation & fight more for his kids. He saw how the whole show affected him & he was ready to bust out of the Wernersvilee orphanage. What does he think his kids feel?

The Names the Game said...

kimmie said..."and i do not hate or love kate. i just think she has got a bum deal in the blogs for things that are way past or have been misconstrued. "

That's the difference between you and me, kimmie. I think Jon got a bum deal the way he was constantly put down by Kate when he was doing nothing more than what she demanded of him.

I do think it's time to stop the continual analysis of every move she (of Jon) make and focus on child labor laws and the exploiting of children.

If you do not think the Gosselin children (or other TV children) have been exploited, just go to Youtube and watch all the various videos that have been put to music that feature the small children on reality shows. And if you don't think there are perverts entertaining themselves in perverted ways while they watch those videos, you really need to give some thought to that. You're being naive.

Administrator said...

Kimmie, our values are obviously fundamentally different. So it's not much use to keep arguing these points with you. I and most of us here not just believe but have ample evidence the kids are being harmed, you for some odd reason, don't want to see or believe the evidence. Moving on.

I would feel better about Jon relaxing with a round of golf if he had bothered to pick up the kids from Florida instead of sending them with four nannies as one witness reported. I don't buy Kate won't "let" him. He has not been found to be an abusive parent. There is absolutely no reason he should not be allowed to see the kids when Kate is not. Quit his whining and get his butt over to family law court to ask for such an order. I cannot imagine a judge wouldn't grant his request. No excuses.

Administrator said...

Why believe Kate over Jodi? Why believe anyone or anyone? Jon specifically said his kids did NOT want to be filmed anymore and were being harmed. I can find the post for you if you want, it was sometime in October.

Why believe Jon now but not then???

I don't rely on everything they say, you can't because they've all probably lied or distorted things at some point. There's other sources of evidence besides what people say. One is a little boy covering his eyes day ater day as the paps snap his picture.

Anonymous said...

"i guess it's all a matter of perspective. i don't see kate and jon as having sold their kids' privacy nor do i think they make the kids work etc. i actually love kids. and if i thought the kids were being harmed by being filmed i would definitely say so.

Who wants to take this one? LOL!

Don't we all film our children naked, sitting on the potty, or having feces removed from their butts (on camera)? Don't we all have film crews set up in our houses for hours on end, stage lights and "set" in place, following our kids around with cameras thrust in their faces, with scripts to follow? If that's not a violation of privacy, maybe you could tell us what is! Perhaps you should visit Paul Petersen's website and read up on child exploitation and privacy rights. No child should be forced to work to support their parents. No child should be made to pay the mortgage, nor their food and clothing, nor their schooling. This is exactly what these kids are doing.

If the kids aren't "working," then why did the state require them to get "work" permits? Just for the heck of it? Let there be no mistake. They ARE working to support their mother's lavish lifestyle. Their father once made the comment that the children are "marketable." That means "fit to be offered for sale, or in demands by buyers or employers." This means that they WORK!

Unfortunately, there are many who cannot see the psychological damage that is being done to these children because they are far removed from the situation. I've seen it and it's not pretty. Perhaps the damage done to these children cannot be fully assessed right now, but in a few years down the road, the results will be measurable. I hope it's not too late.

Anonymous said...

"I don't buy Kate won't "let" him."

I do. You don't know Kate.

Administrator said...

Actually anonoymous let me clarify that. Yes I buy that Kate won't let him see the kids. She even seemed to imply once he gets stable he can see them more (some nerve she has, she is not the JUDGE in her case).

What I don't buy is this is the REASON Jon doesn't see the kids as often as he should. If Kate is telling him he can't see the kids, get his sorry fanny over to family law court, tell the judge, and get himself a better order!

Believe me when most judges hear that a parent won't let the other parent see the kids for no good reason, usually they straighten that parent right out.

Anonymous said...

"kelly, why do you believe someone you don't know (jodi and kevin) over another person you don't know (jon and kate)?"

Raising my hand here. I know both. I believe Jodi and Kevin!!

Administrator said...

Carolina Gal, you can ask that question, just ask it nicer. Try again :)

Kelly said...

Kimmie,
I don't know Jon or Kate. I didn't know a thing about them until almost a year ago, Memorial Day weekend. My girlfriends mother told me about them during all the tabloids breaking news. I had no idea.

I watched the show on Memorial day, saw this really bitch woman with alot of kids, disrespecting her husband on television and then crying at the end saying it may be their last family picture.

My immediate thought was, "she had alot of nerve". I did a little more digging about this family and began to realize that they were frauds.

You're correct. I don't know Jodi or Kevin, nor do I know Kate and Jon. What I do know is what any civil minded person would know after seeing Jodi and Kevin in tears over the kids, on television and seeing Kate and Jon as frauds on television.

I've read all the blogs, all the church's responses to the Gosselins appearing for love offerings. I've seen the articles, the newscasts, the stories from reputable sources about the diva like attitude of Kate but you know what?? I've never seen a negative word about Jodi or Kevin, nor have I seen them seeking fame and fortune trying to out her. Their cause was always for the kids and not trying to throw Jon and Kate under the bus.

You're so right. I don't know Jodie or Kevin or Jon and Kate. What I do know is that I have the right to make a conscious decision when I see both of these couples trying to make a case for the children. So far, Jodie and Kevin come across as sincere. Jon and Kate come across as posers and fame whores.

Any reasonable person would see the same thing. It's not about Jon and Kate, nor Jodi and Kevin. It's about the kids. After all, Jon and Kate use that as their mantra.

jibberjabbers said...

TheresaB said...

IMO, Jon should be a stay-at-home dad. If he was a woman nobody would be bugging him about "getting a job" and I think those kids NEED a stay at home parent.

Wasn't that the 'original' reason for the show? So one parent could always be home? Is Nanny Judy now a parent?

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Agreed. If Kate wasn't working and it was Jon who was making the money, no one would say anything. Kate would be a "hero" still. LOL

Jon is still paying child support. That's all that matters right?

The only reason they are picking on Jon "not working" is because they have nothing else say about him.

The kids enjoy being with him. And that pisses off the Kate supporters.

In the end, Jon is still paying child support. And the kids love to spend time with him....

Why keep hating? Leave him alone already.

The only thing we can bash Jon and Kate for is continuing to allow TLC to film the kids. That is the ISSUE.

The Gosselins seem to be doing fine financially. Private school, a McMansion, expensive toys, designers clothes. ect etc.. Jon "not providing" for the kids isn't the issue here. Because he is PAYING Child support.

jibberjabbers said...

TLC doesn't want Jon to be on TV period. He will take the lime light away from Kate. So they are paying him to KEEP QUIET.

Kath101 said...

In this case, however, it seems every judge and lawyer has been bought off by TLC. It's really mind-boggling.

Administrator said...

But you know what is ironic and sad about child support? Their entire income is because of the kids right now, both of them. Either the kids are working or they are doing something because the kids got them there, but usually it's the kids actually working themselves.

So essentially the kids are still bringing them all their income...and so aren't they just paying the kids BACK what money already belongs to them ANYWAY in any child support payment? How silly, why not just let them keep their money to begin with?

Anonymous said...

"Their cause was always for the kids and not trying to throw Jon and Kate under the bus."

Amen, Kelly. At the hearing before PA reps, they were asked if Kate knew they were appearing and what her reaction was. Kevin said it's a private issue and he didn't want to comment. He didn't throw her under the bus, and took the high road. However, immediately after the hearing, Kate went on a bashing Jodi and Kevin tirade. Speaks volumes.

Kelly said...

Admin,
You hit the nail on the head. Jon isn't paying the child support, Kate isn't earning it. The kids are doing all the work, earning all the money and the parents are fulfilling their obligation, "child support" obligation.

Too bad the courts don't see that.

Nancy said...

Thank you Kelly well said.. and giving him grief because he has the nerve to play golf is absurd.

Let me say I do not agree with most of what has happened since the "drama" started but even TLC could not make him look like a bad dad no matter what PR spin they put on the whole situation. Bottom line is that the kids are smiling when they are with him and hanging their heads when they are with Kate. If everything that has been speculated and reported is true then TLC pays for those pictures and they can't get one with the kids looking happy with their mother?????

I have been there done that in a miserable marriage and divorce to someone who make me feel like crap and for that reason only I will always feel for Jon in some small way.

This whole thing start to finish is a terrible example of corporate and parental greed gone totally unnoticed until now and the ONLY people who suffer are the 8 kids who had/have no say what so ever!

Kelly said...

Jibberjabbers,
If Jon would man up, (which he will never do) he'd go out, make a name for himself and TLC be damned. There is no way a court would deny anyone the right to earn a living and restrict someone like Jon to do nothing to support himself and his family, just because he signed a contract. That borders on human trafficking.

SherryT said...

Kate went on DWTS, The view, ET, and wrote the book, not the kids. She is on currently on TV, not the kids so she is earning money this past year that the kids were off TV. Are we clear on that? If that changes in the future with the new show, then Kate and her kids will be earning money. But make no mistake about it, Kate is the one out there right now, Jon is golfing.

CJ said...

"Kimmie ~ kate wasn't always gone with her bodyguard. her book tours weren't such that she was gone for weeks/months at a time. "

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Before the book tours, there were the church tours and the Women's group tours. Originally J&K would do the church tours together. Then it was decided that one of the parents should stay home with the kids. Jon never really liked the speaking tours, so he was the one to stay. Kate was gone almost every weekend. Watch the old shows, she states this several times. Also, I think it's written in Multiple Ble$$ing$.


Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember several years ago that Jon hadn't worked for quite some time. The show pretended he was still employed & showed him going out the door in each morning. This was sometime after he was canned from the state job. Stories were going around that he was working for Bob, Beth's husband. This was proven false. The blog rumor was all he was doing was working on the computer in the "bedroom closet office" drumming up more speaking engagements, product placements, etc. Working on the Family Brand.
Does anyone else remember this?

SchmeckyGirl said...

jibberjabbers said...
The Gosselins seem to be doing fine financially. Private school, a McMansion, expensive toys, designers clothes. ect etc.. Jon "not providing" for the kids isn't the issue here. Because he is PAYING Child support.
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Yes, I agree and it's great he's paying child support but my only issue with that is he paying that with income from TLC? Is he able to pay child support because TLC is paying him to allow his kids to work? What other income can he possibly have?

Kelly said...

My last submission for the night. Jodi and Kevin have been nothing but stand up people for the children. If it was a matter of Jodi and Kevin seeking camera time as opposed to Jon and Kate, Jodi and Kevin would get a standing ovation. Not only are they good, decent people who have 4 kids of their own, they are sincere, decent, attractive and not seeking fame or fortune.

Jodi and Kevin have been out front for the benefit of the kids. All things aside, if the media wanted to pit Kate against Jodi, Jodi would win. She's classic looking, not made up, not posing, not looking for camera time and would hands DOWN, win a beauty competition against Kate, not only on looks but on goodness and personality.

Just a guys point of view. Go ahead and flame me. I just say it like it is.

jibberjabbers said...

Kelly said...

Jibberjabbers,
If Jon would man up, (which he will never do) he'd go out, make a name for himself and TLC be damned. There is no way a court would deny anyone the right to earn a living and restrict someone like Jon to do nothing to support himself and his family, just because he signed a contract. That borders on human trafficking.

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Yeah, because we all know what happened to Jon when he decided to go out and make a name for himself. It was all fine and good. UNTIL, he took the kids away...

That's when TLC decided to pull out the contract and put a Court Order on him to shut his mouth and BANNED him from any paid media appearance. Any Media outlet giving Jon any paid appearances will be sued by TLC. Since Jon is under contract with TLC.

Kate however is free to do as she wishes. Double standard? Yep.

But then again, Kate never STOPPED filming and is on the same side as TLC.

Jon can get a job, as long as it doesn't involve the media.

But it's going to be hard to hire anyone who has been out of the work force for so long...

Companies want to hire someone with a good work history, NO GAPS, good education, etc etc. Jon has neither of the above.

Jon had a good job somehow but quit it to stay home and care for the kids for 2 years while Kate went out to promote Beth's book.

NancyB said...

Kimmie said: "kate wasn't always gone with her bodyguard. her book tours weren't such that she was gone for weeks/months at a time. "
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Kimmie - Your above comment is just not factual. The month of April 2009, Kate was on her book tour all but 3 days of the month. She was gone alot for many months in a row.

Anonymous said...

"Kimmie - Your above comment is just not factual. The month of April 2009, Kate was on her book tour all but 3 days of the month. She was gone alot for many months in a row."

I don't think Kimmie knows too much about this couple, or what has transpired over the past few years. Otherwise, she wouldn't be making these statements.
I'm still shaking my head over her "no invasion of privacy" statement, when it's crystal clear that this is documented on film.

Anonymous said...

"Then it was decided that one of the parents should stay home with the kids. Jon never really liked the speaking tours, so he was the one to stay. Kate was gone almost every weekend. Watch the old shows, she states this several times. Also, I think it's written in Multiple Ble$$ing$."

Not only was she gone, but she didn't know what was happening in the lives of the children, as evidenced by her frequent on-couch interviews in which she said, "Did they really do that?" "I didn't know that happened," "you didn't tell me that," etc. etc.

Anonymous said...

"In this case, however, it seems every judge and lawyer has been bought off by TLC. It's really mind-boggling."

What judge and what lawyer(s)? I'm sure that TLC wields power, but in the state of PA, I'm not so sure that TLC reigns supreme over the courts.

kimmie said...

i have watched all the jon and kate + 8 shows, i read the blogs. i just don't believe everything i read. and i also don't believe that the edited 20 minutes a week is a realistic view of their entire lives.

being on a book tour for a month is far different than being away from your family for months at a time. and yes, kate did say that she didn't know a lot the last season. i pretty much think that was after jan 09 when jon had left. i doubt they were communicating much then.

i also have a totally different opinion of jodi and kevin than apparently those of you here do. i don't think they are doing this for the kids. if so they would have had this stance a lot sooner than the last season. and they surely wouldn't have let themselves and their own kids be filmed.

and though jon did say that filming during the divorce was hurting the kids, a few months before (before tlc said they were not going to be filming him anymore for the show) he also denied jodi and kevin's allegations that filming was hurting the kids and he said the kids loved the crew, were only filmed doing what they normally would and that jodi and kevin hadn't been around the family for a year and a half. how can you believe that?

Administrator said...

Just a couple comments about Jodi and Kevin.

Jon said they were lying when he was still under contract. When he broke his contract, he suddenly said they weren't lying. As soon as he was back under contract with TLC, Jodi and Kevin were exaggerating again. Things that make you go hmmm.

Jon saw them at least TWICE in the past 9 months. He had them over at the house once, and he and Kevin went to a bar once. Both of these times are documented on this blog with photos, go look. So for him to claim he hasn't seen them is simply not true.

Perhaps their long delay about speaking out was because they agonized over speaking out. After all, they love those kids, that much I don't think is in dispute. When you go out there and attack the mother and father of children you love, I hope most good people think long and hard about that. Beth is clearly estranged, but she hasn't spoken out about it. Maybe after her analysis she came out the other way--that she shouldn't speak out.

Rep. Murt contacted THEM. They were not paid. What benefit do they get from speaking at that hearing other than to be further attacked? No benefit at all. Other than to help craft better laws to help people they love.

And just because a family is following current laws doesn't mean it's okay. Remember, the old law used to be children could work in factories. Parents weren't breaking any laws sending their kids to the factory every day.

MickeyMcKean said...

kimmie said...
i have watched all the jon and kate + 8 shows, i read the blogs. i just don't believe everything i read. and i also don't believe that the edited 20 minutes a week is a realistic view of their entire lives.


Kimmie,

IMHO, when it comes to Jon and Kate Gosselin, I think it might help if you take off your rose colored glasses.

mama mia said...

A new TMZ post reveals that the kids had to fake yet another staged birthday bash held in Kissimmee Florida. Everything about these kids is being used and manipulated to produce episodes. Nothing seems to be off limits. Last year on the View Joy Behar pointed out to Kate how she was "now winning the PR war" because all the negative press had turned from her to Jon. Kate squirmed and said she wasn't interested in winning anything other than being a good mom. That has been the party line for a year now, let's make Kate into the good mom and let's make Jon into the irresponsible loser dad. And despite TLC's best efforts to put Kate on tv and skew the shows to make her more appealing, it has backfired. She didn't work hard or learn the dance routines, she didn't stop whining and making excuses, she didn't stop blaming her kids for her hectic schedule...and she keeps claiming skills we can see she does not have. She used to say she had no fear of the cameras, but appeared frozen and scared to death. She is now saying she has learned how to be behind the mike, when we can see she is a lousy interviewer.
And for someone claiming to have the "realist show" on tv, there is an awful lot of secrecy, confidentialility clauses and staging going on.
My point is Kate has zero authenticity. She is not credible in anything she says or does, and when most of her schtick is about being a mom, and she is lousy at that, the audience really can't forgive and forget.

Anonymous said...

"being on a book tour for a month is far different than being away from your family for months at a time."

Tell that to children who desperately need their mother to be with them during the most unsettling time in their lives. I'm sure a month seems like a year.

"i don't think they are doing this for the kids."

They ARE doing it for the kids. When they allowed their own children to be filmed, the entire situation hadn't gotten out of hand. When they realized what was happening, and the effect it was having on the children, it ended for them.

Anonymous said...

"i also don't believe that the edited 20 minutes a week is a realistic view of their entire lives."

20 minutes a week? How many HOURS of filming do you think is needed to come up with a half-hour show? You're right. 20 minutes of edited film isn't a realistic view of their entire lives. What you're seeing is the GOOD part. I don't think you'd want to see what REALLY happens behind closed doors, when the camera isn't rolling.

NancyB said...

Kimmie said: "being on a book tour for a month is far different than being away from your family for months at a time."
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No, she was gone more days in a month than she was at home for several months in a row. (April 2009 was the most days in a month). Her Book Tour in the fall of 2008 and for the 1st 5 months of 2009 were jam packed national bookings.

From October 2008 through mid April 2009 Kate was on tour promoting "Multiple Blessings" - which Beth Carson wrote. Kate's next book, Eight Little Faces came out in May 2009. Her book tour for Eight Little Faces started in the 3rd week of April 2009. During the summer months of 2009 Kate did Parent Expo's and Woman's Shows in many cities, where she also sold her books. Look it up on Google. The facts are the facts Kimmie.

We can agree to disagree on many issues but please attempt to be credible. To recreate and revise the facts does not represent you well, IMO.

SchmeckyGirl said...

kimmie said...
i also have a totally different opinion of jodi and kevin than apparently those of you here do. i don't think they are doing this for the kids. if so they would have had this stance a lot sooner than the last season. and they surely wouldn't have let themselves and their own kids be filmed.
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Maybe they were okay with it for a while because they were there at times to make sure the kids weren't filmed long hours and got breaks and at on schedule, etc.

They also took the children every Friday to give Kate a break. Maybe they actually did it to give the kids a break.

Maybe they didn't speak up earlier because they knew Kate would kick them all to the curb if they did. Once they were no longer allowed on the show or in the Gosselin lives they figured they have nothing to lose now.

pa mom too said...

I don't think Kate ever liked Jodi because she knew Jodi was a better mother than she could ever hope to be. The money thing just clinched the deal and gave Kate a reason to give them the boot. I always thought Kate sounded phoney with her "I love you's" when she called Jodi about the gum on the bear... I really don't think Kate is capable of loving anyone.

SchmeckyGirl said...

kimmie said...
and though jon did say that filming during the divorce was hurting the kids, a few months before (before tlc said they were not going to be filming him anymore for the show) he also denied jodi and kevin's allegations that filming was hurting the kids and he said the kids loved the crew, were only filmed doing what they normally would and that jodi and kevin hadn't been around the family for a year and a half. how can you believe that?
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I actually don't believe anything Jon or Kate say when they are under TLC's thumb.

JudyK said...

Looks like TLC is once again paying for a bombardment of Kate pics and propaganda to attempt to ensure the success of their manufactured investment and her two new shows. Pics on TMZ and this from ROL today:

Pacific Coast NewsWell someone's got their body all ready for summer!

Kate Gosselin showed off her sleek legs, a flat stomach and a Jersey Shore-worthy tan while filming her new reality series, Kate Plus 8, at Orlando, Florida's Discovery Cove in these just-released pics obtained by RadarOnline.com.

PHOTOS: Jon Gosselin & New Girlfriend Take Bike Ride

The reality TV mom -- who returned to the set of Dancing With the Stars this week as a correspondent for an entertainment TV show -- filmed scenes for her latest TLC project at the facility’s dolphin pool on May 13.

At one point, photographers snapped Kate, accompanied by her two older daughters, leaving the pool and heading to a private cabana for lunch with her trusty bodyguard, Steve Neild.

PHOTOS: Sexy New Singles

The Kate Plus 8 specials will premiere on TLC June 6 at 9/8c, while another TV show called Twist Of Kate is currently slated for a dozen episodes to air this summer. And for you avid readers, Kate's latest book, I Just Want You to Know: Letters to My Kids on Love, Faith, and Family, is in stores now.

Anonymous said...

Kimmie,

How important do you believe it is for a mother to be part of her children's school activities, to offer them support in all of their endeavors, to attend parent conferences, to be on the side-lines of their sporting events, to attend class programs and presentations in which they participate? Is a "good" mother involved in the day-to-day events in the lives of her children?

NancyB said...

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2010/05/exclusive-jon-gosselin-looking-job

EXCLUSIVE: Jon Gosselin Is Looking For A Job

Jon Gosselin is looking for a new way to bring home the bacon, a source revealed to RadarOnline.com. The former reality television dad, who is limited in his options thanks to his settlement with TLC, currently is on the hunt for new career opportunities.

"He knows that he can't do any other television shows [because of the settlement] but would like to get out there and work to provide for his family," the source said. Jon pays ex-wife Kate child support for their eight children.

While he has been approached to do several projects like invest in new companies or be the face of a certain product, Jon wants something more substantial, even if that means working a normal 9 to 5 job again!

"Absolutely, 100 percent," the source responded when asked if Jon would consider going back to a "normal" day job. "He's considering different options. He's not looking for something short term."

Jon, who used to work in the IT field before he hit reality television fame, is simply looking for "something he can do well." He has learned from his mistakes and is moving on, focusing on his family and the future.
PHOTOS: Jon Does Work Around The House While Kate Does Shopping
"He's getting his life back together a little bit at a time," the source added. "He has a stable relationship with someone who has a job, he has his own place.

NancyB said...

Sorry, I posted the wrong article - this is the one I meant to post. At least one outlet agrees that she is way sub par as an interviewer.

Kate Gosselin Changes Looks For TV Gig
WERNERSVILLE, Pa. - Kate Gosselin has a third job - TV tabloid reporter - and a drastically different look that debuted on "Dancing With The Stars."

Gosselin showed off yet another hair extension look, a ton of tanning and dramatically different makeup when she made a cameo appearance on "Dancing" on Monday night.

Gosselin, 35, is in Los Angeles working for three days as a guest celeb interviewer for "Entertainment Tonight." (Ironically, Jon Gosselin appeared on the same show last year in a series of interviews about his divorce.)


In April, there were reports that the reality TV mom from Wernersville, Pa., was looking to move to California, with her eight children.

Gosselin has two TV shows coming out on TLC, with "Kate Plus 8" debuting after her return to "Dancing" next week.

The reviews of Kate's performance on "ET" haven't been kind.

US Magazine said Gosselin sounded like a "Valley Girl" when she tried to interview contestants.

"Kate Plus 8" debuts on June 6 at 9 p.m. on TLC. It is the revamped version of "Jon & Kate Plus 8" without Jon Gosselin.

Jon Gosselin was recently seen with Kate Gosselin at a birthday party for the couple's in Wernersville, Pa., as TLC actively films the Gosselin children for the show.
Kate Gosselin also was involved in a huge media push last month for her latest book, which bombed with the public.

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/news/local_news/051810-kate-gosselin-changes-looks-for-tv-gig

IDModo said...

We are all so swamped with information that I can't remember where I saw this, but I remember reading that both Jodi and Beth were the ones who told the camera crews that the kids had had enough when they were tired or upset, and that they reminded them when it was time to break for lunch or the kids needed a snack.
I have always been suspicious of the information that Kate fired Jodi simply because of the money. I think that may have played a part, but IMO it was also because when Jodi was around the children were treated fairly, even though it sometimes interfered with filming. Kate would not want anything to interfere with filming; every minute on film is money in her pocket. When Jodi was fired, the children's last hope of an on-site advocate went with her, and the result is what we are now seeing in the very sad pics.
It is hard to imagine how traumatic it must have been for both Kevin and Jodi to know that there was no longer anything they could do directly for their nieces and nephews, and, when they confronted Jon and Kate, to be told essentially to mind their own business.
It was Jodi and Kevin that the members of the film crew went to when they had concerns about the morality of some things they were asked to do.
I also believe that there is much that they are not saying,from a decent impulse to keep from exposing the entire family to the publicity machine. Kate has no such scruples.

pa mom too said...

NancyB, re:your myfoxphilly article...I noticed the valley girl talk with Kate recently. I guess she thinks it makes her look cute and youngish. What a fool.

Gabby22 said...

Can someone tell me when Steve was hired??

I suspect this will be telling. Jon was on to something.

pa mom too said...

Gabby22 said...
Can someone tell me when Steve was hired??

I suspect this will be telling. Jon was on to something.

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I'm not exactly sure when Steve came into the picture, but back when Jon and Kate were going to the churches to pilfer money, Steve was going with them. Then Kate said she thought it would be better if Jon stayed home with the kids, and she just went with Steve instead.... she used the "if something tragic happened and we were together, the children would be left without parents" excuse. So she continued along , on her own with Steve.

Gabby22 said...

pa mom....so if Kate is concerned about kids...why isn't she letting Jon watch the kids now.

I believe was only an excuse to be with Steve. Jon was right.

Carolina Gal said...

My earliest recollection of Steve, is of him sitting behind Kate on the plane, to wherever it was they went on the ski trip, Idaho??? I think that aired in Jan. '08? We all remember that, Kate had her meltdown because they were rerouted or couldn't land??? Then, she was sick and couldn't get the kids dressed for skiing, couldn't go to watch them, but she was fine to go to the spa w/Beth????

Carolina Gal said...

I have a question. Do y'all think that when the kids go on these trips for filming, do they actually get to 'complete' all the tours, theme park visits, days at Seaworld or wherever, and if so, do they get to do part of their trip, without TLC cameras following them around???? I've always wondered about that!

pa mom too said...

Carolina Gal said...
My earliest recollection of Steve, is of him sitting behind Kate on the plane, to wherever it was they went on the ski trip, Idaho??? I think that aired in Jan. '08? We all remember that, Kate had her meltdown because they were rerouted or couldn't land??? Then, she was sick and couldn't get the kids dressed for skiing, couldn't go to watch them, but she was fine to go to the spa w/Beth????

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With the absurd way Kate was acting on that plane, you could tell she has some issues. And Steve was the one who stopped one of the kids when they were heading towards her royal hiney. I never could understand why a 2 bit boobyguard felt it was his place to do that, unless he is more of a handler and he knew if the kid went near her at that point, she would flip out and start screaming. Something is really freaky about this whole thing if you ask me.

Gabby22, I truly believe Jon knew something !

pa mom too said...

Carolina Gal said...
I have a question. Do y'all think that when the kids go on these trips for filming, do they actually get to 'complete' all the tours, theme park visits, days at Seaworld or wherever, and if so, do they get to do part of their trip, without TLC cameras following them around???? I've always wondered about that!

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For some reason, I can't see Kate enjoying hours upon hours with the kids once the cameras were turned off. She probably heads back to the hotel with Steve since the money making part is over, and the nannies finish the fun stuff with the kids.

kimmie said...

i understand that we all have our opinion on kate, jon, the show with kids. i just don't base mine on whether or not it makes kate gosselin look bad.

and i don't believe what jodi's sister says is truth.

i also think we have no clue how many times kate volunteers at the kids schools. just because we don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't happen...just as things we do see doesn't mean it happens all the time.

pictures from tabloids are not always what they seem.

Administrator said...

I think the problem is, and I've said it before, we think what Kate and Jon are doing to their kids is wrong and IS our business, and they don't. Therefore we can discuss the matter until we are blue in the face but we have fundamentally different values about this so we can never find much common ground.

Kimmie, you keep saying you don't believe Jodi yet aren't really giving reasons why. You say a lot of things but don't give your reasons for it. When we say we believe certain things we explain why. It's called looking at all the evidence and making a reasonable inference. Judges do it every day not really knowing EVERYTHING. But you use your brain, gather evidence, and make an inference. No one can know everything except the people who were there at that time. If you see dark clouds in the sky, you might conclude it's going to rain. Should we NEVER speculate as to the weather until it's actually raining?

You say we don't know if Kate goes to their school....That's what scares me the most...what we DON'T see happen.

Three pictures from three different incidents of a boy covering his face is enough for any judge and jury to conclude something is wrong.

kimmie said...

i think if you took those 3 pix of collin to a lawyer, let alone a judge, they would tell you you were nuts for basing an assumption such as you have upon them. i think most people would say
1-unless you are around that child and talk to that child all you can have at most is an assumption.
2-that are way too many variables to come to an absolute conclusion.
3-even if it is true, you aren't the parent and cannot make that decision.

you're right, i don't believe jodi, jodi's sister or kate's brother. and the most glaring reason for me is the hatred and deceitfulness they've shown. at least with kate she is what she is for all to see.

another reason is because i think it's wrong to help the kids be on tv, go to talk shows, go on trips, help j&k when she got her tummy tuck and he got his hair plugs...ok for them to film the kids at their own home, film their own kids etc. and then (according to jodi herself) when they were not told they couldn't be paid for it jodi and her sister started all the hate.

especially when it's fact that when they gave their radar online interview they got paid and paid off their home.

i think we just believe different people for different reasons. i'm not trying to sway your opinion...only offering my own. and hoping that they can stand together without hate.

pa mom too said...

Admin, Good analogy about the dark clouds and rain. I'm in PA and the sky is full of dark clouds right now. I don't even have to speculate about it , because it is going to rain....very soon. There are some things you just KNOW. LOL !

pa mom too said...

kimmie said...
i understand that we all have our opinion on kate, jon, the show with kids. i just don't base mine on whether or not it makes kate gosselin look bad.

and i don't believe what jodi's sister says is truth.

i also think we have no clue how many times kate volunteers at the kids schools. just because we don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't happen...just as things we do see doesn't mean it happens all the time.

pictures from tabloids are not always what they seem.

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Just because we don't see Kate smile when she is with the kids, it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. ;) She could be a barrel of fun with the kids behind closed doors, but when you see hundreds of pictures in a year's time, and she is never smiling when she is with them, it leads me to believe she isn't doing it in the house either. The only time she manages a face cracking smile is when she is being filmed. Also, when I see tons of pictures of the kids never smiling when they are with Kate, it doesn't mean they never do it. But then you see the kids with Jon and they are smiling and happy. Tabloid pictures are not always what they seem, but when you see the same thing over and over again, you can get a feel for what is going on, and it can tell the story better than words.

Anonymous said...

"i also think we have no clue how many times kate volunteers at the kids schools. just because we don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't happen...just as things we do see doesn't mean it happens all the time."

WRONG! Yes, we do! The kids have one school, not schools, and we (I) know exactly how much time she spends there since we're involved in the same school system.

Anonymous said...

Kimmie,

Has it occured to you that perhaps there may be people on this blog (and on other sites as well) who have children who attend the same school, and therefore know exactly how much time she spends involved in the school activities of her children?

"No one can know everything except the people who were there at that time. If you see dark clouds in the sky, you might conclude it's going to rain. Should we NEVER speculate as to the weather until it's actually raining?"

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There are naive people out there who refuse to believe anything is going to happen until it actually does. Unfortunately, for them, when it smacks them in the face, it's going to be too late. The warning signs are there, and yet there are those who choose to ignore them because they won't use their brains and gather evidence.

itsaboutthekids said...

kimmie,
Just for a minute forget about Kate and forget about Jon as being the parents. Just focus on the kids and what is being asked of them, how laws meant to protect them are lacking or being ignored in order to appease TLC and bring money into the state of PA. Think of how these children have cameras and mics shoved into their faces whether they like it or not. These kids have NO choice, NO legal protection that's being enforced, NO work/home visit during the investigation, NO response from the PA DOL if there have been background checks on crew members, NO, NO, NO NOTHING! The protection of children are everyone's business. If you don't want to be included that's your choice. But why people are actively fighting AGAINST getting new laws passed just astounds me. Please explain to me with facts why this is wrong. I'm listening....

MoonandMango said...

"These kids have NO choice, NO legal protection that's being enforced, NO work/home visit during the investigation, NO response from the PA DOL if there have been background checks on crew members, NO, NO, NO NOTHING!"

And just think how many times these kids were alone with crew members. We've seen it on film. We've seen a crew member alone in the bathroom with a child. Kate was downstairs on her refrigerator tirade and Jon was outside. It's all documented! A Nickolodeon crew member is being charged with child molestation. How can a parent not want to make sure that these checks are performed? It'd insist on it, whether it was a state law or not.

MoonandMango said...

"If you don't want to be included that's your choice. But why people are actively fighting AGAINST getting new laws passed just astounds me. Please explain to me with facts why this is wrong. I'm listening...."

Perhaps they should have a talk with Paul Petersen, read his blogs, or should have listened to his testimony before the PA state reps.

nanb said...

Kimmie said "i also think we have no clue how many times kate volunteers at the kids schools. just because we don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't happen...just as things we do see doesn't mean it happens all the time."

I don't believe for a minute that Kate spends one more second than is absolutely necessary at the kids school. Kate and her PR firm promote Kate as a single mom doing it all on her own. She doesn't have nannies just has babysitters who happen to sleep over all the time.

Kate on her springform acct has said:

"Truthfully, They don't have friends over very often. I think my 8 are enough to handle, let alone other children. But they do visit their friends."

If she can't handle having a couple of friends over for her kids sake; do you actually believe she will go to a school where there are hundreds of kids she might have to deal with? While I welcome different opinions please try and be a little realistic.

Administrator said...

I remember an episode that made me feel so bad for the kids when a friend was calling for one of the twins. Kate went batty, told the twin they couldn't talk to the friend, I think the reason was because it was dinner time. Then went on and on about how calls NOW?

That's fine you don't have to talk to them during dinner but can't she call her back after dinner? It was so weird and controlling. Like the friend can magically guess when dinner is.

pa mom too said...

itsaboutthekids, forgetting who the parents are is an excellent way of looking at this whole thing ! There are so many people unwilling to say a negative word about Kate (people in general, not directed at kimmie), but if they looked at her as a mother and not as Kate....would they still stick up for her and make as many excuses for her like they do now ? I don't think they would.
And it's funny how people don't realize that many of the people posting on these blogs actually know the Gosselins. Just because they are on tv, they still live in Smalltown USA, go to the same schools, shop in the same stores, etc...as all the other people in the area. They do not live on the Moon just because they have a tv show. And people know Kate very well from working with her at the hospital too.

alana said...

Oh, for joy; I, too, have a comment for........"kimmie!"

You say you "don't believe that the edited 20 minutes a week is a realistic view of their entire lives." Surely you've come across numerous posts on a number of J&Kplus8 websites/blogs that address this sad irony. The Gosselins own relatives who were either present or took part in early episodes have attested to the long hours the children worked in order to get "...20 minutes of usable tape." Many of their neighbors, old and new, have used these boards to air anger and frustration at having their streets jampacked with countless production vehicles - everything from sound to catering to porta-potties for the crew and "helpers" - not to mention the lookey-loonies, whose afternoon drives (in the hope of getting a glimpse of their "favorite 'tup"), put a chokehold on limited parking while their litter and noise strangle the peace out of once quiet streets. Imo, it has become crystal clear how many LONG hours Take and TLC devote to filming in order to get 23 USABLE minutes of contrived happiness. The other 29 hours and 37 minutes, I believe, consist of a shrieking, screaming, stressed out family in the fast lane to Flip City.

I agree with Administator here; it's the thought of what I DON'T see that really gives me the willies.

kimmie, I can't help wondering something about YOU; why you've hung around here so long? You don't seem interested in telling us WHY you've come to certain conclusions about Take and the children. However, your comments are a huge draw and I'm amazed at the number of people who "answer" your queries.
Most of us get something positive out of the time we spend here; comraderie, humor, empathy. Because of your particular points of view, negative attention is your only "prize," imo. Is that WHY you're still here, because NEGATIVE ATTENTION is attractive or worthwhile to you? I'd really like to know - thanx.

pa mom too said...

Administrator said...
I remember an episode that made me feel so bad for the kids when a friend was calling for one of the twins. Kate went batty, told the twin they couldn't talk to the friend, I think the reason was because it was dinner time. Then went on and on about how calls NOW?

That's fine you don't have to talk to them during dinner but can't she call her back after dinner? It was so weird and controlling. Like the friend can magically guess when dinner is.
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I remember that show. But I can't remember if it was Mady or Cara either, I'm thinking Mady....but Kate flipped. How did she think her daughter and her daughter's friend felt once that show was put on the air ? She doesn't care who she hurts with her nasty ways.

Administrator said...

How DOES that family feel to be chastized by Kate on TV? I think it was Mady's friend too if I recall.

It reminds me of that mom who posted on facebook something to the effect of "I can't believe my neighbors wouldn't give my son a glass of water, he had to run all the way home just to get a drink. How could you deny a child water???"

A bunch of people commented how awful that was. And then at the end, the NEIGHBOR chimed in and said "Just so you know little Johnny never even ASKED for water, said he was thirsty or ever even acted like he was thirsty. I have no problem giving him a drink but you might want to get your story straight before going on facebook claiming I didn't give your kid water!"

Administrator said...

I wish I could remember what episode that was I'd like to see it again. They're all on Netflix streaming.

Carolina Gal said...

May 22, 2010 9:26 AM
nanb said...
Kimmie said "i also think we have no clue how many times kate volunteers at the kids schools. just because we don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't happen...just as things we do see doesn't mean it happens all the time."
~~

I believe I've mentioned this before, but I'm on another blog, have been for 2+ years. And we talk about many things, and of course KG. One of the girls on this blog, has children in the same school as the Gosselin kids. She is very discreet and never posts any of the local 'gossip'. But she does share a lot about the school. She has stated that Kate doesn't volunteer, doesn't attend parent/teacher meetings, and rarely does she attend special events. Jon brought them to their end of the year picnic last year. The last time Kate attended a show, was when the tups were in a program. If you remember, it was posted somewhere awhile back. After the program was over, she had the school put the brakes on picture taking, so that she could get some shots of HER kids by themselves. After she got her photos, she then 'rushed' them off, apparently because she didn't want them being photographed.

Admin, the show where Mady got a phone call from a friend, Kate subsequently went on a spiel about how she thought it was silly that kids that age would call and she didn't want her kids talking to their friends on the phone at this age. That should be saved for teens. She questioned what they would have to talk about at their age, and Jon made the comment "wow, that was a really nice picture you colored today". I don't remember what the show was called, it could have been the twins birthday. I know it was in the last house, not the McMansion.

Administrator said...

Carolina, I remember this now about even Jon joining in the "that's a nice picture you drew today." I've always thought Kate and to some extent Jon had a complete lack of respect for these children are people. People who may not think exactly like them, people with their own wants and desires. They basically degraded Mady's entire friendship with this person to: "that's a nice picture you drew today." Very insulting. It basically implies kids can't have meaningful relationships and should not be encouraged to make friends.

Not saying kids should talk on the phone all the time, but they shouldn't be discouraged from forming friendships either.

Anonymous said...

"If she can't handle having a couple of friends over for her kids sake; do you actually believe she will go to a school where there are hundreds of kids she might have to deal with?"
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Bingo.

Anonymous said...

"...20 minutes of usable tape." Many of their neighbors, old and new, have used these boards to air anger and frustration at having their streets jampacked with countless production vehicles - everything from sound to catering to porta-potties for the crew and "helpers" - not to mention the lookey-loonies, whose afternoon drives (in the hope of getting a glimpse of their "favorite 'tup"), put a chokehold on limited parking while their litter and noise strangle the peace out of once quiet streets. Imo, it has become crystal clear how many LONG hours Take and TLC devote to filming in order to get 23 USABLE minutes of contrived happiness. The other 29 hours and 37 minutes, I believe, consist of a shrieking, screaming, stressed out family in the fast lane to Flip City."

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I've seen some of this Ringling Brothers fiasco in the neighborhood. "Kimmie" should read the account of the neighbor who wrote a lengthy article detailing exactly how the neighbors felt about having this circus in their neighborhood (does anyone have the link?). And yet, Kimmie STILL doesn't believe that these kids are working, much less being exploited....that it's just part of a "normal" childhood.

I, too, wonder, if she's a maverick, out to get a rise here, or just a young puppy who really can't see the forest for the trees. The latter is scary because these are the youngin's who grow up to be parents and would use the same tactics of parenting for the love of money if they were offered the same opportunity as the Gosselins.

pa mom too said...

anon, are you talking about the great article that was writen by the man from Jon and Kate's old neighborhood ? I'll do some searching to see if I can find it.

pa mom too said...

Found it...

http://learningmylines.blogspot.com/2009/06/jon-kate-too-late.html

Anonymous said...

"http://learningmylines.blogspot.com/2009/06/jon-kate-too-late.html"

Yep. Walt's article. That's the one. Thanks.

Gabby22 said...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jon_%26_Kate_Plus_8_episodes#Season_5

For info on episodes. Also, anyone familiar with wiki can become an editor of their show information.

Pa Mom Also said...

"Truthfully, They don't have friends over very often. I think my 8 are enough to handle, let alone other children. But they do visit their friends."

Have you noticed how so very many of her statements begin with "truthfully," "honestly," "in all honesty..." When a person repeatedly uses these words it means that THIS time they are trying to convince us that they are telling the truth, but other times their statements quite possibly may not be true.

Gabby22 said...

Episodes Season Premiere Season Finale
1 8 April 10, 2007 May 14, 2007
2 12 October 15, 2007 December 17, 2007
3 31 January 7, 2008 June 16, 2008
4 41 June 23, 2008 March 23, 2009
5 23 May 25, 2009 November 23, 2009

From the link I gave....notice in season 4, 41 episodes. And people don't think they were filming non-stop??

There is not a reality show that is not somehow scripted. I was in video. Camera angles, staging....lighting, etc.

And now with those work permits...who will be there to protect the kids, obviously, not the mother.

pa mom too said...

Gabby22, What about this one...

1 8 April 10, 2007 May 14, 2007

That's 8 episodes in 4 1/2 weeks !!! wow!

Justice for All said...

Hi Kimmie. I know you are getting hit from all sides, but I have a question. You said, "and i also don't believe that the edited 20 minutes a week is a realistic view of their entire lives."

Didn't "the mother" state that this was the "realist reality show" on TV? If HER statement is true, then wouldn't that invalidate your statement? And if you firmly believe that YOUR statement is accurate, wouldn't that make you question whether "the mother" is lying?

Certainly one 20-minute TV episode cannot show the entirety of a family's experience. However, when you multiply that 20-minute episode by however many total episodes there were, a pretty accurate representation of the family dynamic unfolds. And that representation has been consistently disturbing.

I must commend you on your stated objections to people jumping to conclusions or behaving as if wild speculation is fact. I would hope you would object to this as well when "the mother's" fans do it (e.g., when they speculate that Collin is covering his face because he is playing a game, etc.) There is a huge difference between wild speculation with no supporting evidence, versus conclusions drawn based on an objective, rational examination of evidence presented (valid evidence can be supported by actions, prior knowledge, past behaviors, human interactions, the assessment of situations, facial expressions, and body language).

Have a nice day.

Carolina Gal said...

May 22, 2010 9:26 AM
nanb said...
Kimmie said "i also think we have no clue how many times kate volunteers at the kids schools. just because we don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't happen...just as things we do see doesn't mean it happens all the time."
~~

I believe I've mentioned this before, but I'm on another blog, have been for 2+ years. And we talk about many things, and of course KG. One of the girls on this blog, has children in the same school as the Gosselin kids. She is very discreet and never posts any of the local 'gossip'. But she does share a lot about the school. She has stated that Kate doesn't volunteer, doesn't attend parent/teacher meetings, and rarely does she attend special events. Jon brought them to their end of the year picnic last year. The last time Kate attended a show, was when the tups were in a program. If you remember, it was posted somewhere awhile back. After the program was over, she had the school put the brakes on picture taking, so that she could get some shots of HER kids by themselves. After she got her photos, she then 'rushed' them off, apparently because she didn't want them being photographed.

Admin, the show where Mady got a phone call from a friend, Kate subsequently went on a spiel about how she thought it was silly that kids that age would call and she didn't want her kids talking to their friends on the phone at this age. That should be saved for teens. She questioned what they would have to talk about at their age, and Jon made the comment "wow, that was a really nice picture you colored today". I don't remember what the show was called, it could have been the twins birthday. I know it was in the last house, not the McMansion.

nanb said...

Kimmie said "i also think we have no clue how many times kate volunteers at the kids schools. just because we don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't happen...just as things we do see doesn't mean it happens all the time."

I don't believe for a minute that Kate spends one more second than is absolutely necessary at the kids school. Kate and her PR firm promote Kate as a single mom doing it all on her own. She doesn't have nannies just has babysitters who happen to sleep over all the time.

Kate on her springform acct has said:

"Truthfully, They don't have friends over very often. I think my 8 are enough to handle, let alone other children. But they do visit their friends."

If she can't handle having a couple of friends over for her kids sake; do you actually believe she will go to a school where there are hundreds of kids she might have to deal with? While I welcome different opinions please try and be a little realistic.

MoonandMango said...

"These kids have NO choice, NO legal protection that's being enforced, NO work/home visit during the investigation, NO response from the PA DOL if there have been background checks on crew members, NO, NO, NO NOTHING!"

And just think how many times these kids were alone with crew members. We've seen it on film. We've seen a crew member alone in the bathroom with a child. Kate was downstairs on her refrigerator tirade and Jon was outside. It's all documented! A Nickolodeon crew member is being charged with child molestation. How can a parent not want to make sure that these checks are performed? It'd insist on it, whether it was a state law or not.

MoonandMango said...

"If you don't want to be included that's your choice. But why people are actively fighting AGAINST getting new laws passed just astounds me. Please explain to me with facts why this is wrong. I'm listening...."

Perhaps they should have a talk with Paul Petersen, read his blogs, or should have listened to his testimony before the PA state reps.

pa mom too said...

Gabby22 said...
Can someone tell me when Steve was hired??

I suspect this will be telling. Jon was on to something.

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I'm not exactly sure when Steve came into the picture, but back when Jon and Kate were going to the churches to pilfer money, Steve was going with them. Then Kate said she thought it would be better if Jon stayed home with the kids, and she just went with Steve instead.... she used the "if something tragic happened and we were together, the children would be left without parents" excuse. So she continued along , on her own with Steve.

French Canadian said...

SchmeckyGirl

The only place Kate can really speak about herself is in an psychiatrist office.

Justice said...

SUZANNE: And alot of what you mentioned Kate doing also generated $$$$ to support her family. Is Jon being paid to golf? If not, then he should be working. Is he on welfare? Get a job loafer or go take care of your kids.

SchmeckyGirl said...

It's not "terrible for Jon to play golf." I think every man should have a hobby or something they enjoy.

It's just funny considering that it seems that Jon hasn't worked in so long. Where is he getting his income? From TLC? For what? Is he STILL under contract with them? I thought his contract was up? Is he getting paid since he is allowing them to film his children?

I had high hopes for Jon being the parent that would do what is best for the kids. I'm disappointed in him. He seems like another one that will do anything for money.

Why is TLC keeping him under contract if they aren't using him? Why is he getting paid? So they can control him and, more importantly, control filming his children?

I'm sure Jon got a nice settlement in the divorce but is it enough to pay child support and live off?

I just don't understand why he isn't working. I know TLC controls what he does but to what extent?

pa mom too said...

It looks like Jon has lost weight, which is good. But what is with that ridiculous hairstyle ? Is he trying to make Kate's crazy weave look better by making his own hair look worse ?

sadiemay said...

Or maybe looking for a job.

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