Although two episodes have already aired without them, Jon and his girlfriend Liz make their first official appearance on the popular VH1 reality show tonight. Check local listings.
Meanwhile, the fallout continues from the twins awkward and uncomfortable appearance on Today yesterday
Watch Access Hollywood's excellent panel discussion on the debacle. They get it.
1043 sediments (sic) from readers:
«Oldest ‹Older 801 – 1000 of 1043 Newer› Newest»That's true but my point was I prefer her unkempt appearance to Kate's fake expensive hooker look which her children paid for.
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But isn't there a happy medium between the two extremes?
Re Liz's disheveled appearance. If their forced layover in Phoenix included overnight at the airport, as someone said, perhaps she DID change into fresh clothing, but it was no longer fresh when they arrived in California. It must have been quite an ordeal, not knowing how long they would be held up or even if they'd get to the correct airport. I've only experienced flight delays once or twice, and never that long of one, but it was nerve wracking, not knowing when, or if, we'd get going again.
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I don't think anyone is disagreeing about long flights, delays, what you wear for flying, but the comments I've read have to do with what happens when you get to your destination. There's not even a few minute to use their facilities and take just a few minutes to make yourself presentable? How much effort could it take to change your pants and take off the sweatshirt and twist up your hair? We're not talking about hours in makeup and wardrobe. I can't believe she wouldn't have been allowed a few minutes in a restroom, but maybe not...
I wont be able to read the reviews of The View appearance until late tomorrow night as I work in am, and then have to run one of my kidlets to medical apts all afternoon.
We are hoping to rule out some very serious and very rare I might add medical conditions. It took a while for the radiologists to catch on they needed to do this testing , but now that they have they are all over it and are referring to my kidlet as a " case study".... yay ( sarcasm) the family might get written about in some medical journals...
Anyways, I look forward to getting quickly brought up to speed by all of you wonderful ladies. Please post links to all of the reviews as you usually do.
Have an awesome Sunday!
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 194
And what does it matter what the kids think about filming. Unless there's an offer on the table why should the public care what they think? Kate never really explains why we should care. I don't think the public cares what they think about irrelevant things anymore than they care whether they like chocolate or vanilla icecream. Who cares.
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I agree Admin.
She keeps saying over and over how they want to keep filming. She is so desperate to convince someone, anyone, TV channel, producer, etc... to put her back on TV that she has no idea how pathetic she sounds to the public.
And the Today Show disasterous interview more than proved it to even those who didn't give a second notice to her before.
No matter what happened during the View interview last Thursday after the Today Show, it has already been confirmed that Kate earned the "Mommy Dearest" award in front of the world.
And no matter how many times she says the kids want to keep filming now, no one is going to believe her now.
And no matter how many times the kids say they want to keep filming, after Kate's SNAP SNAP, "Spit it out" commands, no one is going to believe them either.
I do hope the View airs the interview with the twins only because if they don't, I can only imagine the repercussions they will face. Beginning with TFW screeching how they ruined everything and embarrassed her.
Has anyone thought that perhaps Jon and Liz's luggage might not have arrived when they did? With the very long flight delays and expected chaos at the airports I don't think that would be too unexpected. They were only shown arriving with carry-ons, which is what most couples are shown arriving with. Maybe... they didn't have anything to change into for their first camera appearance?
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 194
.............I don't think the public cares what they think about irrelevant things anymore than they care whether they like chocolate or vanilla icecream. Who cares.
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So true. We and the general public don't care but Kate in her delusions still thinks people care.
Kate will continue telling the world thru twitter and forums that she gets from begging People Magazine and shows like The Today Show and The View to give her a platform because she wants to continue her GRIFTING:
Kate wants the FREEBIES.
Kate wants the GIFT CARDS.
Kate wants the FREE Salon Appts.
Kate wants the FREE Trips
Kate wants the FREE Body Guard
Kate wants the FREE Limo rides
Kate wants the FREE dinners at NOBU
Kate wants the FREE chef, housekeeper, babysitters, laundry girl, lawn boy, pool boy, .....
And in Kate's mind, Kate and her kids deserve it ALL and it must be served on a "Silver Platter"! Remember society OWES it to her!
Kate is NOT going to stop telling the world that this is what SHE WANTS so "SNAP SNAP" get to it and give it to her NOW!
Some of us don't like the way Liz talks..others think the swearing is fine. What I wonder though, is what Kate thinks of it. Have no idea if her mouth is as bad, but would she take the tape of CT to the court, and ask that her kids not be around Liz? Would the court care about something like that? Kate loves to cause trouble for Jon, has he given her ammunition?
If you love your kids, as you say you do, dont drag them down with you.
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That Kate had unmitigated fame-hoeing gall to drag those reluctant (for whatever reason) kids to The View after that Today debacle shows me she truly will stop at nothing if it means her chance to land a new show. After all, Mommy had a new GUG banner to promote and show to pitch.
A poll on ROL: Is kate Gosselin a Good Mom, Is kate Gosselin a Bad Mom?
119,240 total votes. 86% voted that she was a Bad Mom. 14% said she was a Good Mom.
I just went to the grocery store, and while waiting in line saw the cover of InTouch. Why, oh why does she subject her children to this ridicule? With every thing she does lately, she has put their privacy on the back burner. The media is not actively seeking her out for this, she and her never ending quest for fame is what is driving this train. Tragic, and another round to come tomorrow, no matter what is said on The View. If anyone needs an intervention, it is Kate Gosselin.
Here is the link for Steve, Gina and sons. Gina's face looks so refreshing compared to kate's.
http://imgur.com/9gld8b2
This was Kate's "desperation tour".....she KNOWS she only has a chance with TV IF the KIDS are involved...she has no appeal on her own, sounds like a 13 year old and is so phony. Just watch the video clip from the archives! Uggghh!! Epic fail!
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FSQcSgziOtA
The conversation has turned to what Liz's wardrobe and hair looked like? LOL...the sheele diversion continues.....Won't work...The "real" Kate Gosselin was outed in al he glory on the Today Show. Neither she nor her blind followers can walk that back.
Midnight Madness said... 193
Where were all of the faithful supporters? The Walmart sign person, Barb, the two giddy teen fans, Austin, Gypsi, the Charity Lady...why weren't they offering her their love and affection and dishing out the platitudes?
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It's interesting that in the past month or so, many of her Twitter pals have gone silent, or tweet much less than they did in the past. Remember when her feed would rarely go under 150 tweets per hour? Now it's mostly in the teens, unless she's gone and done something nasty again, then it blows up for a short time. But the die-hard fans who were there daily aren't around. There's some stuff going on off her feed but even so, it's oddly quiet. Anyone else notice this?
Thanks for the link, Lukebandit. Not to be a conspiracy theorist, but it's interesting to note the awkwardness with which Gina's knuckled her left hand under her palm, to the to the point where you can't see her fingers at all. And seeing as how Steve's left arm is tucked behind Gina, there's no marriage ring in sight.
Meager, I send you and your son the best of wishes. I hope your medical reports are what you hope for. Thinking of you.
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Oh my, Meagler, best wishes for good news tomorrow. That sounds so stressful. I truly hope your child and family are fine. I also hope you get care/tests at a good hospital. A parent's worst nightmares are kidnapping or serious illness IMO.Thinking of you.
Gosselinbook retweeted a quote from Kate, "knock me down X100&I'll get up fighting. no is nor no to me!"
The way Kate looks at things, this debacle was not a failure at all. She thinks she'll just come out swinging and bully the public into seeing things her way. She's probably holed up with Steve somewhere, trying to spin this into a much-ado-about-nothing scenario.
What she doesn't seem to understand is that the girls' performance (or lack thereof) was not really the issue. It was Kate, snapping her fingers, telling her daughter to spit it out, to use her words, saying, "tell them what you said in the magazine, that years later you're fine and there's not damage". That is what is upsetting everyone. Putting words into her daughters' mouths, trotting them out in TV to further her own agenda, snapping her fingers at Mady like she's some trained animal who gets a signal to perform, telling them what she wants to say, and then mouthing the words of her daughter's answer along with her, erasing any doubt whatsoever that those words were rehearsed. And throwing their father under the bus right in front of them--that's just the icing on the cake.
This incident has turned the tide of public opinion in Jon's favor. If he continues to be tactful about this, he will come out of it looking like the better parent and getting more public support. So far, his reaction to this has been perfect. He gets sympathy as the only loving, non-exploiting, non-manipulate parent the kids have. He has shown nothing but love for the girls. He hasn't overdone it. Well done, Jon!
This has also given Robert Hoffman back his voice. The public has now gotten a glimpse of what he was trying to tell us all along. We have seen the monster. He can hold his head high, knowing he was right all along. He has been validated.
It's just so sad that it took Kate doing something so horrible to her daughters to open peoples' eyes.
Has anyone thought that perhaps Jon and Liz's luggage might not have arrived when they did? With the very long flight delays and expected chaos at the airports I don't think that would be too unexpected. They were only shown arriving with carry-ons, which is what most couples are shown arriving with. Maybe... they didn't have anything to change into for their first camera appearance?
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Possibly. This is why I always pack at least one change of clothing and keep it in the carry-on. I've been the victim of the lost-luggage syndrome and I learned my lesson!
Wowser said... 13
Just watch the video clip from the archives! Uggghh!! Epic fail!
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FSQcSgziOtA
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And yes, the archive video clip contains the famous words: "Kate is going to set the record straight"! Is there a Kate talk show clip that doesn't contain those words?! I love that she "set the record straight" on Twist of Kate being cancelled before it aired. She set the record straight that that was a completely false rumor. Twist of Kate is in the works. HA!
what Kate thinks of it. Have no idea if her mouth is as bad, but would she take the tape of CT to the court, and ask that her kids not be around Liz?
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Sure, TFW could take a tape of Liz and Jon's speech, and particularly swearing, to the courts, but I'd think and sincerely hope that she'd be told not to waste their time. Had she maintained the strict Christian mom image of a Bible verse quoter, then maybe, but she hasn't. I think there are a heck of a lot more serious things to worry about than someone's occasional rough language. Now, if someone is making threats against a spouse or children or using language to bully, that's another thing but I would hate to think that the use of the F*word, which by the way their father has used in front of them for probably their whole lives, is something that is considered court intervention worthy.
Another thought on the subject of their clothing when they arrived at CT: Maybe producers told them not to change, that they were fine the way they were?.
Thank God for those two girls. There was only one poster who said shame on them for acting that way. They are trying to get a message out to the public. I am surprised that that household hasn't been investigated by DCFS. I wonder how they are at school.
Lukebandit,
TY for the link to Skeeve's photo. Do you know where it was originally posted on the net? Someone took the original photo from somewhere and uploaded it to imgur so it would be anonymous. Do you know if it was posted on FB or someone's twitter account originally or have you only seen it at imgur? I think the only reason people are asking is that they're wondering about it's origin, date, etc. Thanks!
Meagler: Best wishes to you and your kidlet and it's all good news :-)
Carole said... 24
Lukebandit,
TY for the link to Skeeve's photo. Do you know where it was originally posted on the net? Someone took the original photo from somewhere and uploaded it to imgur so it would be anonymous. Do you know if it was posted on FB or someone's twitter account originally or have you only seen it at imgur? I think the only reason people are asking is that they're wondering about it's origin, date, etc. Thanks!
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It is on Gina's Facebook.
The View never had Kate on during The Epic Fantabulous Crookbook Tour, and I'm wondering if they will even mention it during this new interview.
Kate's not done clawing her way through continued media coverage in the hopes of a new gig for her and/or the family. I still say the sextuplets and/or the whole family will be paraded out in the next few months for yet another round of The Pity Me, Jon's a Bastard and I'm Still Unemployed Tour.
I remember my DH's face when he first really drove around the neighborhoods with me, looking at the locals and how they dress for daily activities. He couldn't believe his eyes.
Ahh Tucker's Mom: How would your husband feel about yoga pants? Because I live in mine when at home. I even have "interior painting" aka stained yoga pants and "good" yoga pants. My husband would fall over if saw me in anything other than yoga pants or scrubs. Sadly, my yoga pants have never been to yoga. :-)
Kelly, maybe Cara could borrow some yoga pants from you!
Paula,
Just because someone thinks Liz could've cleaned herself up a little, since she knew she was filming, does not make that person a sheeple. If you think someone's negative opinion of Liz's hair and wardrobe automatically makes that person a Kate lover, trying to deflect from Kate's bad parenting, I would love to know why and how you came to that conclusion.
Winsomeone has been posting her for a long time, and you should know she is definitely NOT a Kate supporter. I read her every day but don't post very much. Just felt the need to "stand up" for Winsomeone.
Here is maybe another thinking on why Liz was dressed that way. Perhaps Liz is nervous, about being on TV & talking about her relationship with Jon, which in most families is a private thing. Liz, had on a hoody and a baseball cap, comfy clothes, that maybe she feels secure in. How many of you have glasses, and you kind of hide behind them, or a favorite sweater. Maybe this is how Liz, feels comfy in, to deal with stuff that is normally a private thing.
I am not proud of myself for doing this, but I did take a look at Gina's FB. That is actually a really lovely family portrait, and if nothing else, should put an end to the ongoing speculation about Kate and Steve. That picture is his real life. And from the comments, it appears to have been taken sometime during the holidays when they were all visiting NZ together. Gina put in on her FB page a few days go, but that does not tell anyone when it was taken. Any whoo, another who cares moment. Except for the fact that it says, to me, that the Neilds are a close and happy unit. Kate Gosselin is a job, one I personally think he is foolish to be involved with, but she probably writes a healthy check and he probably tells her what to do. Seriously doubt Gina Neild spends a who,e lot of her time worrying about Kate Gosselin.
Meagler...Hope everything turns out okay for your son.
I work with a predominately Hispanic Title 1 elementary school. The parents of these children shop at yard sales and goodwill stores in order to find affordable clothing for their children. To critcize someone because they don't dress "well enough" or their hair is messy and not up to you standards bites my butt....How Liz dresses is irrelevant to any valid Gosselin conversation.
The View will show both Kate and the twins favorably. They have to. Let's not forget that it was not too long ago that ABC put them on Celebrity Wife Swap, so much like People Magazine, it will only make them look like the enablers they are if they show the truth about Kate. It's not a coincidence that TLC waited until the show was cancelled before showing the true extent of Kate's madness on the RV episodes. There was no way that they could have continued the show without there being backlash towards TLC. A network can certainly put child abuse on the air like they did, but they can't keep it on the air.
I know some people are criticizing Liz's attire. Not that I care but I think I will wait and see how she dresses the rest of the show. Plus don't forget when Kate first was on TV she was usually wearing sweat pants and T-shirts. Hardly a fashionista. LOL
Liz is obviously someone who cares not a whit what other people think of her, i.e., the way she talks or the way she dresses. I admire that. Kate cares excessively about that because she has no self confidence.
Marie
I bet Steve was back from NZ in time to escort Kate and the commodities to NYC last Thursday.
High Sodium Content said... 1
Not sure if this has been posted yet here. You tube video from outside the window at the Today Show prior to the interview. The girls look miserable and Kate is practically pissing in her pants to is so happy she's going to be on TV again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-1i3cFIZFs&feature=player_detailpage
and during the interview http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l29IMBhpHBM
I just watched the second clip, where Savannah is talking to them. I don't think this was during the actual interview, but before they went on air. Cara is smiling and looking outward. Mady is talking to Savannah longer than what we saw on TV. Kate starts talking and Cara's expression changes. I wonder if she was bad mouthing Jon, and that was when the girls decided to sabatage Kates' master plan.
I so don't care what Liz wears.
The Today Show debacle is being discussed and commented on everywhere - every gossip site, online news service and mainstream media has it, and the comments are overwhelmingly negative. I think Kate has just usurped Dina Lohan and Kris Jenner as Worst Stage Mother Ever. Now, I know that to a narcissist, even bad publicity is better than no publicity, but maybe, just maybe even Kate realizes that this does not bode well for the new TV show she wants so desperately.
By the way, there are reports that Kate was paid $75,000 for the People interview. Does anyone know whether that's true and if so, was she paid for the other interviews on the Today Show and The View?
DanielleB said... 30
Paula,
Just because someone thinks Liz could've cleaned herself up a little, since she knew she was filming, does not make that person a sheeple.
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I agree with this. Admin and the blog girls do a great job both keeping the sheeple in the corral, and letting in diverse views and opinions. That is what is so great about this blog, I really enjoy the discussion. Let me also add, that several of my posts have been the subject of both applause and criticism, which is exactly what makes the feedback so valuable. You can't have one without the other. Sometimes you have to have a few days of rain to really appreciate the sunshine. Do you know what I mean? Additionally, sometimes a critical opinion will make me rethink my point, or realize that my original post was unclear. In fact, yesterday, thanks to Paula's very respectful response to one of my posts' that's just what happened. So thank you Paula for giving me the opportunity to clarify it.
The majority of what is posted on the blog is done in a very respectful manner, but when something is done that is especially horrifying, (like The Today interview), emotions can have an affect on all our posts. We should all remind ourselves of this when reading and writing posts, as often good intentions can be lost in the execution.
Bottom line: let's not pick on person B in response to them picking on person A. Neither response is right and it only derails the original debate. Let's write it off as a bad moment for all us, and move on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l29IMBhpHBM
Thanks for posting this Grammie. So 2nd clip, pre interview. Cara definitely changes expression once Kate gets going with mouth and flapping hands. Cara stops smiling, shuts down her face, and even looks nervously around, in what I see as escape mode. This is the point where she probably decided she had nothing to say to any camera. Mady, on the other side of Kate, and chatting with Savannah, could not see this, and so Cara surprised her with her silence. Kate was oblivious, as the attention was on HER. Chilling.
Meagler - good luck tomorrow an i hope that everything turns out okay for your son.
We all agree that reality TV is pretty much scripted. Maybe when the producers and/or directors saw how Liz was dressed when they finally arrived and how deshelived she looked they hustled her right in to film. Why? It gave Taylor Armstrong a reason to turn her nose up at them. It might not have been planned but it probably made for some good footage.
Lukebandit - Thanks for the link to the picture of Steve and his family. They look like a happy family.
I never watch the Today show so I have a question. When the Gosselins were interviewed were they all in a private room with just the host and film crew or were they also in front of an audience?
I know The View is in front of an audience.
Liz is a divorced mother....perhaps she spends her money on her children, not herself...
Grammie said... 39
I am no lip reader but when kate was talking I could tell she did say the girls are "more aware of what is out there. The inaccuracies...blahblah" and saw her lips say "father" Wish I could read them better.
Sometimes I wonder if Cara is used to K & M talking so much that she just gave up on trying to get a word in edgewise.
Liz is a divorced mother....perhaps she spends her money on her children, not herself...
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Snap. What a refreshing idea.
Will Kate ever be publicly humiliated enough to shut her up? I would move to a foreign country if I and my kids did what she and her kids did on the Today show. Those poor girls. They are at such a tough age and kids who don't like them will never let them forget that stupid Today segment.
Does anybody else have trouble getting the comments in their email? Wondering if it's just me. Thanks.
I've been trying to watch CT on my computer but it's been buffering too long and I only get bits and pieces. However, on FB they have next week's previews and it's about "the misconception that the marriage ended because Jon cheated."
What will happen if Kate loses even MORE of her dwindling supporters? I feel so bad for her ... not.
Grammie said... 39
High Sodium Content said... 1
Not sure if this has been posted yet here. You tube video from outside the window at the Today Show prior to the interview. The girls look miserable and Kate is practically pissing in her pants to is so happy she's going to be on TV again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-1i3cFIZFs&feature=player_detailpage
and during the interview http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l29IMBhpHBM
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Any lip readers out there?
I was telling my daughter about K's latest. About everyone turning against her. I said she may get 'blackfished' (but I really meant blackballed--malapropism?) Guess I was thinking about Seaworld and all their bad publicity.
Ingrid said... 47
Sometimes I wonder if Cara is used to K & M talking so much that she just gave up on trying to get a word in edgewise.
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Good point; that's me in my family
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I love Goodwill. I have scored some beautiful antiques there and right before Christmas I picked up a beautiful, in perfect condition, J Crew dress for $6.99. I'm sure it's original price was well over $100. As for Liz, I didn't watch the show but I don't care what she wears. At least her tata's and vajayjay were covered unlike TFW who likes to air hers out. Ok, that sounded gross. Sorry. The Patriots just lost to the Broncos and I'm annoyed.
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Ingrid said... 47
Sometimes I wonder if Cara is used to K & M talking so much that she just gave up on trying to get a word in edgewise.
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Good point; that's me in my family
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My youngest daughter in mine. Oldest and I were gabby. LOL
I said she may get 'blackfished' (but I really meant blackballed--malapropism?) Guess I was thinking about Seaworld and all their bad publicity.
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Blackfished may just become a pop culture term for a PR mess!
Literally everyone has dropped out of their concert series.
Q&A with Dr. Jenn on Jon & Kate: (Sorry if someone else already posted)
My first impression of Jon Gosselin and Liz was that Liz was the same type of woman as Jon’s ex, Kate. Not the same personality, but the same type of dominant force in Jon’s life, outspoken and a little bossy toward him.
We all have patterns and we tend to be drawn to certain types of personalities, and I think Jon is the perfect example of this. When he first came into the house he wasn’t able to see the similarities between Liz and his previous relationship and, also, by the way, between Liz and his mother. He talks about that in therapy and that’s really, ultimately where I believe all of that came from.
This is also a couple with eleven children between them, how does that affect their relationship?
It affects their relationship tremendously. You can’t even conceive of how much stress they are under, it really is off the charts. It’s like having a kindergarten in your house every day, it’s intense.
He says he wants to get married, but Liz’s reaction is more that Jon just needs someone to provide stability and that person can be interchangeable.She seems to judge him for that and call him out as being needy.
That also says a lot about how Liz feels about herself and she isn’t able to say “Of course he wants to be with me, I’m so wonderful and I’m a great partner,” instead she feels interchangeable because she doesn’t feel that worthwhile, at the core.
I didn’t think of it that way!
That’s because you’re not the shrink!
How Liz dresses is irrelevant to any valid Gosselin conversation.
Amen. I wish we could drop this discussion. It's getting to be one of those tiresome subjects that just keeps going on and on and on.
Luke's Mom,
TY for the info on the origin of the photo of Steve & family. It's a beautiful pic and I hope it an honest reflection of their family.
Meagler,
Sending positive thoughts your way for a successful outcome to your son's medical issues.
@capecodemama...my mother has also found brand new items at Goodwill. She is on a fixed income and visits on a regular basis.
Not everyone can afford Ann Taylor or whatever Kate is grifting these days.
The Patriots just lost to the Broncos and I'm annoyed. 55
Only annoyed? I had high hopes too.
Exactly Paula, it's irrelevant to anything.
And before anyone cries double standard I rarely commented about Kate's clothes, hair, whatever unless they were really embarrassing--even though she puts herself out there way more than Liz ever did. I really am not that interested in whether a mother wants to be casual or walk around in a ball gown as long as they are good to their children.
there are reports that Kate was paid $75,000 for the People interview. Does anyone know whether that's true and if so, was she paid for the other interviews on the Today Show and The View?
People doesn't pay for interviews, they get around that pesky little detail and instead pay photo licensing fees. A poster here said they read that $75,000 is paid for covers, however magazine cover fees are negotiable. Some TRUE celebs ask for and get photo fees in the millions.
As for Today and the View, I've read conflicting info about both of them so I'm absolutely no help.
Any lip readers out there?
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Yes, and it was really tough. The cord was in the way during the first part, and her head was turned when she was talking to Mady. When I get a chance, I'll take another look. The only thing I could make out for certain was "they're getting ready for..."
When the Gosselins were interviewed were they all in a private room with just the host and film crew or were they also in front of an audience?
Today Show has no audience other than the people standing on the sidewalk outside and watching it through the windows. The View has a studio audience.
Michelle said...
Q&A with Dr. Jenn on Jon & Kate: (Sorry if someone else already posted)
Thanks Michelle. Do you have a link for that interview?
I for one can't wait till the twins make their money by writing a tell all book.
Bet, it comes out before the Gosselin Book.
And yes, the archive video clip contains the famous words: "Kate is going to set the record straight"!
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I know really. This is her CAREER, setting the record straight. If you are spending that much time setting the record straight maybe you might wonder why the record is so crooked to begin with! Maybe attack the problem at the root of it! Maybe we could send her a straightening iron complements of realitytvkids.com.
One more thing, as for photo of Steve and family, maybe Steve has finally told Kate he will be staying with his wife. I am completely convinced Kate has had an affair for years. Maybe it is over now.
Was Steve with her in NY? I imagine she thinks a dating show will make him jealous....
So wait is the therapist implying that Jon's mom was like Kate and ever since then he has sought out women like his mom? INTERESTING.
I did not expect to like this therapist, after all she's just a TV personality, but so far she seems pretty spot on. She understands Jon's issues on a pretty in depth level, and that is really great for him.
SJD (45)
Kate and the girls would have been in a room with just the interviewer and crew. The Today Show is not filmed in front of a live audience, but there is a window where people can look in at them. Someone posted here a link to someone's video from outside the window, looking in.
The View is filmed in front of a live audience.
I just went to the grocery store, and while waiting in line saw the cover of InTouch.
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Same here. It was right there front and center. And it made me sad. She did this. She is responsible for this. She will have to explain all this to her children someday.
By the way how much you want to bet they are going to make the cover of one or more tabloids THIS week with the story about their interview and all the behind the scenes rumors? Aren't Friday's covers announced Tuesday or Wednesday?
Watch that second video clip...at about 32 seconds Mady is talking to Savannah, smiling, chatty, and TFW starts talking over Mady.
Watch Mady roll her eyes at TFW and shut down. That's when Cara immediately changes her body position, sits up straighter and away from TFW, starts pulling at her sweater as she leans away.
Whatever TFW said, it triggered something in Cara. Mady is just pissed that TFW is talking over her.
As TFW continues taking Cara shuts down and turns away altogether, looking behind them (as in 'get me out of here'). Mady has just completely shuts down by then. Just silent, letting TFW spew.
Did SNL do a spoof last night of the Today interview?
Bottom line: let's not pick on person B in response to them picking on person A. Neither response is right and it only derails the original debate. Let's write it off as a bad moment for all us, and move on.
I'm confused. So if Person A is picked on and Person B comes to their defense and offers an explanation of what Person A may have been trying to say, Person B should have just looked the other way and not made any comments?
Here's where Dr. Jenn's Q&A is: http://blog.vh1.com/2014-01-16/dr-jenn-on-couples-therapy-episode-3-jon-gosselin/
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 72
So wait is the therapist implying that Jon's mom was like Kate and ever since then he has sought out women like his mom? INTERESTING.
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Ever heard of you end up marrying someone like your mother or father?
I have heard this be for I have also heard that for that reason you need to have a good positive relationship/role model with the opposite parent.
during the interview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l29IMBhpHBM
I just watched the original Today Show interview from the studio with sound and the one above taken from outside thru the window and they are of the same thing. The one above from outside is where Mady is saying they're not damaged and the public doesn't know the whole story and then TFW starts into her grand explanation about the misconceptions about them from the public and their father, blah, blah, blah. shutup, shutup, shutuuuuuuppppp
gabby2 said... 71
One more thing, as for photo of Steve and family, maybe Steve has finally told Kate he will be staying with his wife. I am completely convinced Kate has had an affair for years. Maybe it is over now.
Was Steve with her in NY? I imagine she thinks a dating show will make him jealous....
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Kate's either Steve's mistress or it's all in her tiny brain. Either way he's been playing her for years.
RE: Setting the Record Straight
Does she really think there is a RECORD? Does she really think people care THAT MUCH about her life? Before this disastrous 'interview' (cough cough) the far majority of Americans had forgotten she existed. She managed to remind them that she's still alive and they, in turn, remembered that they hate her.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l29IMBhpHBM
In watching this without any sound I noticed at 0.14 WOS does the eye rolling at the at 0.20 M is talking and WOS agrees with whatever M says. You can see the small shake of WOS. At 0.29 WOS smirks and appears to be agreeing with M. Almost makes me feel that M is saying what WOS wants her to say (rehearsed lines) In fact WOS looks like she is going over the rehearsed lines in that great void of her head. Then WOS starts her talking and yes C starts shutting down. But look closely at M. Whatever is happening she is going from being chatty, smiling and sitting up straight to slinking back and becoming quiet. Something happened and the girls shut down.
The conversation has turned to what Liz's wardrobe and hair looked like? LOL...the sheele diversion continues.....Won't work..
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Here, or on Kate's TL? If you mean here, I really don't think that because some have commented that she looks a bit unkempt that they should be called out as being sheeple. I can see the fans on Twitter going after Liz for anything they can think of because they hate Jon.
Does she really think there is a RECORD? Does she really think people care THAT MUCH about her life?
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That's the other thing about it too, like she's important enough to have a "record." Like she's Obama or something. Cut us a break. Eat some humble pie.
I'm with chefsummer....I think Steve has played Kate for all of these years and made good money doing it. It was obvious from the RV episode that he had little to no fond feelings for the Gosselin children. He was there for the paycheck.
Yes I think Steve saw a big paycheck and capitalized on it, pure and simple. Kate was willing to pay him the big bucks and he wasn't going to rock the boat.
He's a very successful man in a competitive industry for a reason. Sometimes if you want to work with celebrities half the job is propping them up telling them how great they are sucking up--if you want to stay on payroll you just keep playing along. I think he played along with her. No he's not going to tell her she exploits her children. That would mean him being sent to wherever Aunt Jodi and the rest went and no more paycheck.
Since many people are just not willing to be a sell out like that, they may be perfectly qualified for the job but would never dream of taking it on.
How many times can Kate set the record straight be for she breaks it?
Admin, I think we, as a society, are still trying to handle and process the reality that women can be as abusive, emotionally, mentally and physically, as men
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Yes good point and I know this to be true. The few times I've dealt with DV where the man is the victim I've had one hell of an uphill battle to explain that and get them what they deserve. And it's very hard for the man too because accepting that they are a DV victim is usually insulting to their manhood the way they see it.
Oh and also there are virtually no DV programs for victims in LA that will take MEN. How's that for progress?
Kate's either Steve's mistress or it's all in her tiny brain. Either way he's been playing her for years.
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IMHO Gina Neild does not look like a woman who would tolerate her husband having KG as a mistress of several years standing. I do not think Skeeve has been playing his wife for years over this. KG, OTOH, for all her talk, does not give off any vibe that she has a sexual relationship with Steve, Jon or any man. She is just cold. Again, JMO.
Admin, I think we, as a society, are still trying to handle and process the reality that women can be as abusive, emotionally, mentally and physically, as men
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I agree especially with mothers.
In general us woman are seen as the softer sex so once a females does something horrible it usually shocked people.
Dr. Jenn's Q&A is: http://blog.vh1.com/2014-01-16/dr-jenn-on-couples-therapy-episode-3-jon-gosselin/
TY Michelle!
I have watched some of Kate's older interviews and she really was pretty popular at one point. For instance, she was on The Talk and they introduced her as a The Most Popular Mother in the a World", if you can believe that. Nobody questioned her mothering practices and her treatment of Jon was justified because of how poorly Jon came across in the media and thanks to TLC and Jon's own actions. I'm not sure when the tied started turning against her but I believe I'd find, and I really believe she will not recover from the Today show experience. Steve is going to move on.
If that second clip is of the broadcast interview, it surely provides a little more insight into the chemistry that wasn't apparent in the broadcast interview.
M is very annoyed that TFW is talking over her.
It's like TFW couldn't wait for the opportunity to grab the reigns from the twins. Look at meeeeee!
Paula said... 87
I'm with chefsummer....I think Steve has played Kate for all of these years and made good money doing it. It was obvious from the RV episode that he had little to no fond feelings for the Gosselin children. He was there for the paycheck.
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Exactly.
It's been six years and Steve "The bodyguard" is still around but Jon her husband is gone and her family and friends are gone.
Kate is a master manipulator but Steve is a better one.
jbranck1980 said... 77
Did SNL do a spoof last night of the Today interview?
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Nope. Darn it.
She managed to remind them that she's still alive and they, in turn, remembered that they hate her.
New Name, This is SO true. I'd never seen the number of negative comments about anything she's done before she did the Today Show. Were there any positive media comments? She awakened the hibernating bear and he's hungry and in no mood to put up with more of her BS.
Serendipity said... 78
I'm confused. So if Person A is picked on and Person B comes to their defense and offers an explanation of what Person A may have been trying to say, Person B should have just looked the other way and not made any comments?
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Sorry, didn't mean to confuse anyone with my made up scenario. I'm just saying let's all be a extra patient with each when emotions are running high. I'm not referring to anyone in particular.
At 13 the twins SURELY have picked up on the fact that Kate LOVES the public eye and being a celebrity.
Maybe above all that was what was annoying them the most. This was supposed to be there moment and they could see with Kate sitting right there that wasn't going to happen.
In any case, I think it was probably a combination of things and it's perfectly understandable that when someone as young as 13 feels overwhelmed by a variety of emotions their instinct is to just clamp up.
Admin, I believe the witness that saw Kate and Steve touching and walking on the beach at night. And the Mexico vacation by themselves? And didn't someone see them kissing?
Too much time alone and with Kate on the make for there to be no intimacy. I trust Jon's suspicions on that one.
And I also think Jon seems to be attracted to abusive women. Has to be tied to his early relationship with his mom. Bet his mom and Kate got into it early and that's why she never seems to be part of their lives.
Kate is NOT going to stop telling the world that this is what SHE WANTS so "SNAP SNAP" get to it and give it to her NOW!
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After all, "society provided the means to have these children, so society should take care of them." And I imagine in Kate's mind, the corollary to her delusion about society is that "the networks got her and the children used to status, money, and celebrity, so the networks should continue to provide it so they can all live in the manner to which they have become accustomed."
I actually think that a person delusional enough to believe society owes her for these children really would believe the networks "owe" her another show.
ld she take the tape of CT to the court, and ask that her kids not be around Liz? Would the court care about something like that?
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No probably not. There's no way for Kate to prove that while she may swear that she does it around the children, and even so, courts aren't going to get involved in something that petty. They want to see true danger to the kids. I have never in over six years in family law seen complaints about cursing. I think most people have sort of accepted that kids are going to hear it anyway and it's a losing battle. Even the stupid View ladies feel the same.
What's important to remember is there are two family law cases here, the other one being Liz and her ex Matt's. A judge in that case deemed Liz perfectly fit to spend lots of time with her own three kids. The second judge in Jon and Kate's case is not about to mess with the first judge's ruling about this woman.
I finally watched CT. Good grief they have 5 commercials every 10 minutes on the online version. Anyway, eww I thought the "beating off" discussion was going to be one they were recounting. I didn't expect it was something they aired. EWW
Why would you do that when you know you're being filmed all the time? Ewww
lukebandit said... 10
A poll on ROL: Is kate Gosselin a Good Mom, Is kate Gosselin a Bad Mom?
119,240 total votes. 86% voted that she was a Bad Mom. 14% said she was a Good Mom.
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I wonder what the results would have been if Milo hadn't voted 13,876 times? heehee
Admin, I believe the witness that saw Kate and Steve touching and walking on the beach at night. And the Mexico vacation by themselves? And didn't someone see them kissing?
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I think he may have thrown her a bone back in the day to keep himself in the game, maybe slept with her a few times then told her he wasn't going to leave his wife and they shouldn't anymore. Jon felt it was awkward, his words. Usually if someone is just a friend it shouldn't be awkward. But I don't think it continued. We would have heard something more by now.
Orange said..."IMHO Gina Neild does not look like a woman who would tolerate her husband having KG as a mistress of several years standing."
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How can you tell that just by looking at a photo of someone? I'm not saying that Gina isn't the type of wife who would put up with this...just curious how you arrived at this opinion.
There's not even a few minute to use their facilities and take just a few minutes to make yourself presentable?
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There might have been under strict orders to get their butts to the set the second the plane touched down in LA. They missed TWO episodes. Production at this point must have been absolutely having a conniption (while recognizing of course it was not Jon and Liz's fault.) Budgets for filming are usually drawn up to the very last penny and any kind of delay like this can spell absolute disaster. They had to stir up some artificial drama with Taylor and Farrah while they waited for their last cast members, you could tell a lot of it was filler. Anyway it's not unreasonable to think that once they got there they were bound to production's strict schedule and there wasn't time for any of that.
I think he may have thrown her a bone back in the day to keep himself in the game,
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Yes, I don't think Kate would have thrown out the baby with the bathwater....unless she had a backup plan. Between the sex and the new business venture they tried, I think she thought she had him.
And the whole pizza tirade....she must have been desperate knowing the show was over. No other way to look at it but she valued his feelings above her children.
Glad my post about the Access Hollywood went through the other very late night! I just got a kindle tablet, lots to learn on it.
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Oh fun! Enjoy it!
Kate's either Steve's mistress or it's all in her tiny brain. Either way he's been playing her for years.
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I never believed that they were having an affair. Kate has always come across as asexual to me, but she might have been having an imaginary emotional one in her mind. With all the speculation about whether she was or wasn't having an affair, I'm sure that her professional advisers encouraged her to find a replacement for him, but Kate's a moron - who no doubt insisted on her way. She would actually prefer to have her reputation damaged than to not get her way.
I think Steve has always been more of a minder for Kate rather than a body guard. Let's be honest, keeping her in check must be as difficult as herding wet cats in zero gravity with your hands tied behind your back and reciting the Gettysburg Address in ancient Aramaic....
And Steve's reaction to the pizza, not stepping and saying ok everyone just cool it I don't care about the stupid pizza Mady can have it. Spoke volumes. Selfish tool.
...and reciting the Gettysburg Address in ancient Aramaic...
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T said... 112
You could be right and you know it didn't have to be a sexual affair it could have been and emotional affair.
So perhaps this is way he can control her and get away with it.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 113
That was pretty horrible.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 41s
@Kateplusmy8 This has really been a slow news wkend...4days of #BreakingNews abt 2teens being shy 4 a 5min. interview...beyond crazy. :)
And here she is. Still doesn't get it. Still showing that she's as dumb as ever.
She is amusing, .though, even if she is annoying.
I am one of the few I suppose, that does not think Kate is asexual....I see her as a little dominatrix in the bedroom. Though I vision the tables turned with Steve...lol
She is too selfish not to want sexual pleasure. I can image her telling Jon, you have to do this list of chores or I will be too tired later...
How can you tell that just by looking at a photo of someone? I'm not saying that Gina isn't the type of wife who would put up with this...just curious how you arrived at this opinion.
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Just a gut and personal reaction. She looks happy, the boys look happy, they are all back home on vacation together, that's it. And I don't discount that there was likely a physical relationship in the beginning, tho Steve was probably playing her. There's a reason Skeeve visited with his boys, no Gina, and you don't see the Neild family hanging out with the Gosselins, two big happy families, in PA. Just my 2 cent reaction to a picture.
Admin (64)
The Today Show does not pay. They cover airfare, transportation to and from the airport, hotel, and studio, and also for hotels. My son has been on, and one of his friends has, also. I have no idea about The View.
Is that old bat Barbara Walters going be sitting at the table tomorrow with her protege Kate Gosselin? What a joke. See Babs, you really blew it with that prediction of yours that Kate was going to be a big star. You were so sure of it at the time. Still laughing and shaking my head at that one. I'd like to see The View show that juicy little clip of her saying that. That would be rich. Let's see how much sucking up she does tomorrow. Unless she isn't going to be there of course....
And here she is. Still doesn't get it.
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She/he gets it. Just trying to deflect from the real reason for the attention, their mother's reaction. Did she ever comment on the snapping fingers and "your words" comments, for one? Probably not, because that is what the media is responding to overall and what is being criticized.
milo......what can be said.
I think she/he is fed lines to tweet. So I still suspect they are compensated. Someday we will know.
localyocul said... 105
''Why would you do that when you know you're being filmed all the time? Ewww ''
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Actually, Liz accused Jon of doing that, but he said he wasn't. I guess we'll find out next Thursday if he wasn't or if he admits he was.
OrangeCrusher1 said... 195
Ah, who cares what Liz says, does or wears? She is her own person, does not represent what, the Gosselin name or brand, is not really involved in raising these children, she is their father's current girlfriend. To discuss her at all is, in my book, frankly unnecessary. But that is just my opinion.
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OrangeCrusher1 - I agree with you 100% & was planning to add a similar comment when I read yours. I understand that because the topic is CT, Liz gets discussed. But unless she's pimping out the kids, I don't really find it necessary to call her out on anything.
At one time I thought perhaps Milo was just a little bit smarter than the average sheeple. However, in the past few months, the insane tweets she comes up with prove me wrong. With each tweet, she shows more ignorance, so obsessed with Kate that she is totally incapable of any kind of logical thinking. It's kind of sad, really, still blaming it on the media.
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Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack
@Kateplusmy8 My oldest struck out many a times N crucial game situations..was embarrassing 4him...but he always went back to bat #HomeRun :)
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack
@Kateplusmy8 So that's how you learn...if U got caught off guard & didn't do as well 1st time..next time up ur better prepared! #Success
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack
@Truth_Teller201 @Kateplusmy8 Because they look thru #NegativeGlasses & see the"tiny spot on the white shirt kind of folks"!
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack
@Kateplusmy8 I've learned that the tabloid/entertainment media blitzes will mold people's thinking...often it has little 2do w/the truth!
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack
@Kateplusmy8 I've learned that the tabloid/entertainment media blitzes will mold people's thinking...often it has little 2do w/the truth!
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Unless it's negative media about Jon, right Milo!
Sleepless In Seattle said... 126
At one time I thought perhaps Milo was just a little bit smarter than the average sheeple. However, in the past few months, the insane tweets she comes up with prove me wrong. With each tweet, she shows more ignorance, so obsessed with Kate that she is totally incapable of any kind of logical thinking. It's kind of sad, really, still blaming it on the media.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack
@Kateplusmy8 My oldest struck out many a times N crucial game situations..was embarrassing 4him...but he always went back to bat #HomeRun :)
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack
@Kateplusmy8 So that's how you learn...if U got caught off guard & didn't do as well 1st time..next time up ur better prepared! #Success
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Isn't it thoughtful of Milo to prod the twins that, just like her son, the girls WILL do better next time? They failed--they struck out--is what she's saying. Kate was SO disappointed, but it's not HER fault if the girls bombed... Thanks, Milo. You love and respect the children; we can tell.
Milo continues to maintain that "shy teens" is what the media uproar is about, i.e., Kate did nothing wrong.This is all on the girls. Milo is a piece of work. Or, well, a piece of something.
.if U got caught off guard & didn't do as well 1st time..next time up ur better prepared!
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Yes Milo next time they go on the TODAY SHOW they will be prepared. Good heavens, why should a child have to worry a darn thing about performing like a trained monkey in front of millions? They should never have to do it in the first place.
Face it Milo, Kate failed. At being on TV and certainly at trying to resurrect the kids to put them on TV. Fido said this a couple years ago but it's still so applicable:
"Admin said above that if nobody failed, life would be boring.
I suggest that human dynamics would cease. If nobody fails then everyone's ideas are the best and nothing would get done; if nobody fails, there would be only CEO's and nobody in the production end of things; if nobody fails, there would be nothing to work for and we would indeed begin to slide into mediocrity.
Success and failure are in tension with each other, and that tension is crucial for anything to be accomplished."
Well said Fido.
Chablis @Chablis4u 11m
@Candy9585 @TODAYshow @Kateplusmy8 @theviewtv Now we know what Kate and the twins have been doing since Friday. Rehearsing their lines. :)
Wasn't the View taped on Thursday?
I think Milo is deliberately trying to frame this as "the media attacks two sweet shy girls" and make the family out to be victims when she knows DARN WELL that is NOT what this is about. I think this is the only game plan she can come up with when she knows darn well no one attacked the girls and no one cares that they acted shy in and of itself. Way to use the girls to try to deflect from your queen.
I think she/he is fed lines to tweet. So I still suspect they are compensated. Someday we will know.
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If we all chipped in to help Robert with his attorney's fees, do you think he'd reciprocate by telling us if Milo is a catfisher, an elderly gentleman in a facility, or just a crazy obsessed fan who has spent far too much time up Kate's butt?
Anyway, eww I thought the "beating off" discussion was going to be one they were recounting. I didn't expect it was something they aired. EWW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No. way. REALLY?! The hell Jon?? You KNEW there were cameras everywhere! Why would he do that?!
Anyway it's not unreasonable to think that once they got there they were bound to production's strict schedule and there wasn't time for any of that.
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Wait. No time given to relieve oneself? That's a bit much..but if true, then the cameras would have followed her in there. They do that allll the time on reality shows.
Remona Blue said... 124
localyocul said... 105
''Why would you do that when you know you're being filmed all the time? Ewww ''
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Actually, Liz accused Jon of doing that, but he said he wasn't. I guess we'll find out next Thursday if he wasn't or if he admits he was.
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Sounded like that's what he was doing to me! Groaning under the covers EWW
I never believed that they were having an affair. Kate has always come across as asexual to me, but she might have been having an imaginary emotional one in her mind. With all the speculation about whether she was or wasn't having an affair, I'm sure that her professional advisers encouraged her to find a replacement for him, but Kate's a moron - who no doubt insisted on her way. She would actually prefer to have her reputation damaged than to not get her way.
I think Steve has always been more of a minder for Kate rather than a body guard. Let's be honest, keeping her in check must be as difficult as herding wet cats in zero gravity with your hands tied behind your back and reciting the Gettysburg Address in ancient Aramaic....
January 19, 2014 at 5:25 PM
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 113
And Steve's reaction to the pizza, not stepping and saying ok everyone just cool it I don't care about the stupid pizza Mady can have it. Spoke volumes. Selfish tool.
January 19, 2014 at 5:26 PM
Fleecing The Sheeple said... 114
...and reciting the Gettysburg Address in ancient Aramaic...
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Backwards?
January 19, 2014 at 5:39 PM
chefsummer said... 115
T said... 112
OrangeCrusher1 said... 119
How can you tell that just by looking at a photo of someone? I'm not saying that Gina isn't the type of wife who would put up with this...just curious how you arrived at this opinion.
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Just a gut and personal reaction. She looks happy, the boys look happy, they are all back home on vacation together, that's it.
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I'm sure some of our 'negative' opinions about Liz are the same thing. Gut and personal reactions....only we have a little more than one still picture to judge.
The sheeple always try to claim that the kids are being attacked. They can't be that stupid, can they? Nobody--not here, not in the media--attacked the girls. In fact, it's the fans who keep acting like Mady and Cara failed. They didn't. In fact, if they did have an agenda and were showing the world that they are done with being manipulated by their mom, then they succeeded beyond their wildest dreams. This was a silent scream for help, and they were heard.
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@MiloandJack @Kateplusmy8 Why do they continue to ignore part where Mady speaks, & both smile & reply yes to question about doing tv again!
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O.M.G., Sheep. OF COURSE, they want to do another show! But that wasn't the point of why this interview went off the rails!
Someone please pass me the Rumspringa.
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@MiloandJack @Kateplusmy8 Why do they continue to ignore part where Mady speaks, & both smile & reply yes to question about doing tv again!
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Because in a four minute interview, which feels like four hours in TV time, answering one question out of 10 is not enough to make it feel like they got it back on track.
I think Milo is deliberately trying to frame this as "the media attacks two sweet shy girls" and make the family out to be victims when she knows DARN WELL that is NOT what this is about.
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Do you really think so, Admin? I'm just not so sure because I don't know who or what she/he is.
I can see that if she is a catfisher, or someone paid to deflect that this might be true. In that case, it's all pr on her end. But if she really is in the last stages of celebrity worship, when all kind of reasoning goes out the window and you are left believing that everything (and I mean everything) the object of your obsession does is right, then your idol can do no wrong. I think it might be kind of hard to get into the mind of a person like this because we are all capable of logical thinking. In her case, however, she might have brainwashed herself to a point where she actually believes what she is tweeting.
Interesting about Celebrity Worship: "A lot of these people who fall deeply into celebrity worship are just abnormal pathology waiting to happen. The fact that it comes out in the form of idolization of a particular celebrity is less important than recognizing the pathology was there all along. And if it was not focused on a celebrity it would be focused on something else, but it would still be there."
~and~
"Intense personal attitudes towards celebrities, however, reflect traits of neuroticism. The most extreme descriptions of celebrity worship exhibit borderline pathological behavior and traits of psychoticism. This type of celebrity worship may involve empathy with a celebrity’s failures and successes, obsessions with the details of a celebrity’s life, and over-identification with the celebrity."
--John Grohol, psy d
If The View taping was before a live audience, does anyone else find it strange that there haven't been any tweets as to how the interview with the girls went?
Truth Teller@Truth_Teller2011 hr
@MiloandJack @Kateplusmy8 Why do they continue to ignore part where Mady speaks, & both smile & reply yes to question about doing tv again!
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Maybe they wanted their mother to stop snapping at them and telling them to spit it out in front of a live audience
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Hmm ever think of that Milo??-(nah you couldn't have).
Someone please pass me the Rumspringa.
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Filling up AuntieAnn's keg, unleashing her St. Bernard and sending him your way. Does he have a name, Auntie?
I'm sure some of our 'negative' opinions about Liz are the same thing. Gut and personal reactions....only we have a little more than one still picture to judge.
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Here's the difference: I am not 'judging' Gina, the way some of you are judging Liz. My comment was just that, a comment, and it was a positive comment, about Gina and my perception of her marriage and family. This is not the same as the negative Liz baiting/hating I have been reading here the past few days.
If you don't agree, we will have to agree to disagree. And I'm done explaining, and being baited as well.
nfo CA @Info__CA 4m
Kate Gosselin: People from Lancaster County, Pennsylvania: Johnny Weir, Kate Plus 8, Johnny Bassler, Jon Gosselin, Jo http://www.amazon.ca/dp/1230627588/?tag=i-ca-20 …
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Not quite. Kate is from Lancaster County; Jon is from Berks County.
My comment was just that, a comment and it was a positive comment, about Gina and my perception of her marriage and family
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We all have different perceptions, though, and that's what makes this blog unique. We don't all herd together and group think. If positive comments were the only ones allowed, I'm afraid this blog would be as dead as Kate's so-called career. LOL
I have to agree that making a positive comment about someone you know little about is very different from making a negative judgment.
It is much more acceptable to say someone you barely met or have heard from is sweet or nice, than to say oh I have a bad feeling about them. One is a social norm, the other tends to raise eyebrows.
The girls sure taught Kate, NO MEANS NO!!!!!! Didn't they? I loved it.
judg·ment
noun \ˈjəj-mənt\
: an opinion or decision that is based on careful thought
: the act or process of forming an opinion or making a decision after careful thought : the act of judging something or someone
: the ability to make good decisions about what should be done
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/judgment
We are all making judgements based on our opinions. Liz is not above being judged/commented about as she put herself on a reality show. Fair game.
I wouldn't say the same thing about the G's kids because they are not adults and thus they are not capable of making an informed decision regarding their participation in reality shows.
Catching up, busy with real life and basketball games this weekend. Re CT and Liz and Jon looking less than polished on their debut. My prediction is that Jon and Liz are relatively normal, compared to the other couples. Presenting them as more rough around the edges than they really are would help with tension with Taylor. I am thinking Taylor doesn't think she belongs inn the same zip code with Jon and Liz, let alone the same house.
OT VCU beat Duquesne!
#voteshaka.com #shamelessbegging
#GoVCU!
If you don't agree, we will have to agree to disagree. And I'm done explaining, and being baited as well.
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Orange Crusher -- how are you being baited? The question was asked how you could tell from one picture that Gina would never put up with Steve messing around with Kate. It seemed like an honest question.
I watched a show recently on a murder that was committed in the area. The husband was a well-respected businessman in a local community. He had a beautiful, out-going and friendly wife. People loved her. The photos shown in the account depicted a loving family. The kids looked happy, father had his arm around his wife, looking at her with loving eyes...beautiful family portrait. You'd never suspect that everything was not as it should have been.
Nobody would ever suspect that not long after the photo was taken, he killed her and was convicted to life in prison without parole.
Point is...photos can be deceiving. Sometimes your gut feeling may shock the heck of you.
That said, Steve really does have a good-looking family; attractive wife and two handsome sons. It is a very nice picture of all of them together.
The View was definitely taped Thursday. The chorus from PS22 has a FB page, and posted some pictures of their appearance. The chorus director also posted:
Gregg Breinberg (PS22 Chorus Director)
January 16.
The kids did an AMAZING job today singing a poignant tribute to Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. for Monday's episode of THE VIEW! Set the DVRs cuz you won't want to miss it!! The kids were treated like royalty by both the stars and the producers of the show, and it truly was an unforgettable day!
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.582875868469205.1073741845.263292690427526&type=1
Looks like the full cast is there Monday, with Fantasia as guest host. I wonder if Whoopi will participate in the interview with Kate and the twins.
We are all making judgements based on our opinions. Liz is not above being judged/commented about as she put herself on a reality show. Fair game.
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She's fair game I agree, but it doesn't change the fact that some of us don't see the relevance or are interested in whether she chose to wear a hoodie on this show. I just don't care.
So Jon like's chicks in trucker hats who cares lol.
It would have been an honest question if the poster had not been digging at me all afternoon. I honestly don't care about Gina, or Liz, or most of this stuff. I made an observation, perhaps shallow, based on a reaction to a picture. That's all. But it certainly was nothing that needed to be 'questioned'. I don't care for the Liz negativity, but by all means, feel free to say whatever you want.
I'm thinking maybe Orange Crusher felt she was being hypocritical with her snap judgement on Gina Neild vs. others snap judgements of Liz...? No? 'K. I'll see myself out. lol
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Kate's either Steve's mistress or it's all in her tiny brain. Either way he's been playing her for years.
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I never believed that they were having an affair. Kate has always come across as asexual to me, but she might have been having an imaginary emotional one in her mind.
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I see Kate as asexual as well. I can't imagine her being warm and loving in bed or anywhere else unless she got something in return which would make her...
I'm watching this for the recap and I quite like Kelsey. I guess some people would just see her mohawk and bleached blond shock of hair. I just see a woman who has been a very good girlfriend to a man who doesn't give her the respect and trust she deserves. I don't care what she wants to do with her hair.
I'm on a celebrity gossip group on Facebook, and there's a woman on there who lives around LA and said she had a friend working on the therapy show. I asked her if she could ask her friend about Jon and this is what the friend said
"she said he was one of the nicest guys and that the other couples were kind of mean to him and looked down on him. That he obviously needs the money and regrets all that happened with Kate (who is a hideous person) but that he was genuinely a nice guy who always picks the wrong woman. He was late to the house because he flew in the day of the LAX shooting so all flights were delayed and thats why they showed up in their sweats because they had been in an airport all day and had expected to change before being filmed."
This woman is not a fan or a hater, I thought the info was interesting.
In fact, it's the fans who keep acting like Mady and Cara failed.
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Yes it is. I've noticed they've framed it in a negative way implying THEY messed up somehow. They keep saying things like they'll do better next time they'll get it together next time. That implies they somehow screwed up.
Whereas we've been framing it in the positive. Not that the girls messed up but rather THEY DID THE RIGHT THING by not opening their mouths and lying, doing Kate's bidding, or whatever it was that held them back.
Amazing isn't it?
Milo continues to maintain that "shy teens" is what the media uproar is about, i.e., Kate did nothing wrong.This is all on the girls. Milo is a piece of work. Or, well, a piece of something.
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Most "normal" parents would NEVER EVER use their own kids to make their point (via magazine and TV interviews) in order to get a new show. The "family decision" to continue to film is so hideous, with 9 and 13 year old "allegedly" agreeing with HER decisions. I agree with Jon that the kids show no longer be required to film for Kate.
Maybe now that they are older a family Court Judge could interview all kids separately from Kate/Jon to see what they all feel about future filming. No big deal, as long as their responses are not disclosed to Kate in who said what.
This woman clearly will continue to exploit her kids for her own needs. She was pimping out the kids before they were even born, and 9 YEARS later, still has not figured out how to support them in a way that does not exploit them. What does this say about her? Pathetic at best.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 155
In fact, it's the fans who keep acting like Mady and Cara failed.
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No, in fact, the girls stayed true to their own beliefs, and did not go with the script (after their magazine article) realizing that they were manipulated to say what TFW wanted them to say, in a random, not-live article. They are learning quickly that "Kate-speak," is required if they want 1 D tickets. Talk about pimping.
Kate needs to find her own nitch where she does not use her kids after 9+ years. After 9 years, pathetic that she still is using them to gain fame. Any adult would be ashamed of using their kids 9 years later, and I don't see her stopping, as she has nothing to offer singularly. Get over yourself Kate. You are NOT media material if you have to use 13 year olds to make your point.
Most importantly, if you have to rely on 13 year olds to try to make your point, you are probably desperate, and going in a direction that should NEVER EVER happen. You are now relying on your 13 year olds to support YOU and your horrible decisions, since you could not make it on your own.
How did it ever come to this? Start a business, get a job, but please stop exploiting your kids. 13 at that. Makes you look pathetic, like you have nothing to offer, other than your kids? Octomom.
She is too selfish not to want sexual pleasure
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And too in love with herself to want it.
And I imagine in Kate's mind, the corollary to her delusion about society is that "the networks got her and the children used to status, money, and celebrity, so the networks should continue to provide it so they can all live in the manner to which they have become accustomed."
I actually think that a person delusional enough to believe society owes her for these children really would believe the networks "owe" her another show.
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I agree. Plus she WANTS this, so she will pull anything out of her ass to get it, even if it is delusional. Exactly like "society is responsible for creating multiples..." When exactly is it the "mother's" responsibility?
And I also think Jon seems to be attracted to abusive women. Has to be tied to his early relationship with his mom. Bet his mom and Kate got into it early and that's why she never seems to be part of their lives.
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Yes, who knows? Maybe his dad was the same? I've always said, we either become our parents or we do everything in our power to NOT become them.
This is SO true. I'd never seen the number of negative comments about anything she's done before she did the Today Show. Were there any positive media comments?
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Plus don't forget, she really has been "out of the spotlight" --ISOLATED HERSELF. She's been spending her time planning Jon's demise, filling her head with conspiracies about hacking and stealing journals. She has nobody in her life but herself and her thoughts...so she really has lost her very small but somewhat capacity to "fake it". She can't do it "as well" as she used to. Think about what goes through her head on a daily basis with NOTHING but her grandiose, evil, vengeful self absorbed thoughts? Crazy in the making. Narcissists DO get worse as they get older.
That's the other thing about it too, like she's important enough to have a "record." Like she's Obama or something. Cut us a break. Eat some humble pie.
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When you're given a one sided/slanted hr long expose "KHATE'S WORLD" I do believe she believes she's all that. What a JOKE that was!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l29IMBhpHBM
I agree Ampersmom
Cara is completely shut down. Dead dead eyes on tfw.
Remember the tweet about the dirty look she gave someone for not holding the door or something? THAT is her look, HER face, her true self. The smile or laughter always comes across as "off" it is not real.
You see that clearly in that clip.
ROL has a new article about Jon being a hypocrite and lying about wanting to keep kids off tv. A "source" says Jon gave up all rights in having any say if the kids are on tv or not in exchange for not having to pay child support. "Source" says M and C hate him for this and have not seen or spoke to him in 9 months.
I lost track. Is the new Radar piece slamming Jon for essentially selling the kids in exchange for dropping child support tit or tat?
That Kate sanctions these types of hurtful messages (this one even cites the twins by name) is a depth even I didn't think she would stoop to. It is emotionally abusive to have those words in print for the kids to pull up someday. Is there any hope for her ever stopping?
Tag Jon. You're it.
http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2014/01/kate-gosselin-estranged-teenage-twins-hurt-refuse-to-see-father-jon-gosselin/
Whew! Finally caught up with comments. I think my eyes are bleeding.
Random thoughts:
I don't want to think about Kreider's sex life. Ew, ew, ew. I can't even imagine her on a dating show, kissing multiple men without slapping them. In my experience, (anecdotal, not personal LOL) a narcissist is lousy in the sack because everything about it is icky.
Maybe Lights Out Man is called that because Milo punches his lights out.
Michelle Duggar has WAY more kids, but I've never heard her raise her voice or use physical violence on her husband or her 19 kids. (not a watcher of this show but I have seen a few episodes) I know of a family that had 12 boys and one girl and their mother NEVER saw a reason to raise her voice.
Lots of suggestions that Kreider seek therapy. There is no cure for narcissism. Therapy doesn't work.
I haven't seen too many photos of Liz and don't really care how she dresses, but IMO, she could use a "good" bra. Get the girls up where they belong. She's got 'em, just showcase them a little better. She's a natural beauty and a little Hollywood magic would make her a stunner.
And because Kreider reads here, one more thing. Remember this: One day, Jon is going to be walking all of his 5 beautiful daughters down the aisle. Think about that. A lot.
Looks like I picked a bad week to quit smoking. ;>)
PJ
The Today Show debacle shows us very clearly what it is like to Grow Up Gosselin. The little field mouse that decided to winter in my heat pipes appears to have a more joyous existence.
When Jon/Liz were being introduced, Jon said something to Taylor about....I know you, we met at xxx.
Taylor was snooty in response. Like, omg, if we were at the same event it was a fluke...I am *soooo* much better than you scum types.
It wasn't a friendly welcoming response.
capecodmoma, I am bummed too that the Patriots lost. Years ago there was a player named John Hannah who played for them. He graduated from the same high school I did. He went to Alabama to play for Bear Bryant. He met John Croyle and they became good friends. JC was also a great football player, just like JH. But when the time came for JC to either go pro or open a boys ranch for orphaned, abused, outcasts he chose to open a boys ranch.
On John Croyle Day, March 6, 1974, the honoree was presented with a $5,000 check from the Alabama Alumni Association—seed money for Big Oak Ranch. Another $15,000 was pledged by a local businessman, but Croyle needed $30,000 more to put a down payment on the land he wanted. Enter John Hannah, a 'Bama teammate whose last words to Croyle in Tuscaloosa had been, "See you in the pros." Hannah believed enough in Croyle to hand over his $30,000 signing bonus from the New England Patriots.
Hannah, a nine-time All-Pro who is now a vice-president at a Boston brokerage firm, says, "John was always tough, hard-nosed, aggressive, a good teammate, and he needed my help. I was glad to do what I could. Those boys needed a place to live." Croyle bought a ranch to start the boys ranch.
Years later, he started accepting girls. There is one girl I have never forgotten about. Her name was Shelly. They found her clinging to a pole in the middle of the interstate where she was dumped off. Then the parent or parents that did this went to court to stop her from going to the ranch to live. She had been at the ranch for a while and they knew if she went back to them it would turn out bad. He begged the judge not to send her back. It didn't take them long to kill her and today the long driveway to the ranch is named Shelly Dr. in honor of Shelly.
I met JH at church when I was about 13 and I asked him for his autograph and he signed it with John 3:16. Years later, I was at church, different one and I saw him. I told him about getting his autograph and the John 3:16 and he said, That is my brother John, I am David, and I am a Romans kind of guy!
I also had a good friend W and I spent a sleepover with her at her house. They were living in a rental house. I remember it was sooo cold the next morning to get up and go to school!
Well, Kate certainly is staying true to the vindictive, vengeful and hateful person we've always known she is. She's gone to RadarOnline with this latest disgusting attempt to further distance the kids from their father and distract the public from her exploitation and abuse of the kids! Her's a little secret, Kate - it won't work! Everyone took notice when you were on Today Show and they're DONE with you.
Jon Gosselin Estranged From Teenage Twins: They’re ‘Hurt’ & Refuse To See Him
Jon Gosselin has been vocal about his feud with ex-wife Kate Gosselin over letting his children appear on TV, but RadarOnline.com has exclusively learned the father of eight is a hypocrite because he actually waved his rights for a say in their TV appearances in exchange for not having to pay his child support.
“Despite what he’s saying in interviews, Jon chose to waive his rights in whether the children can film or not and in return he doesn’t have to pay child support,” a source close to Kate revealed.
PHOTOS: Mady & Cara Gosselin Smile For The Cameras After TODAY Show Appearance
“That is Jon and Kate’s child support agreement. He’s being so hypocritical acting like he only wants the best for his children by keeping them off TV, when really he basically sold them.”
http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2014/01/kate-gosselin-estranged-teenage-twins-hurt-refuse-to-see-father-jon-gosselin/
I wonder what the house response would have been if it had been TFW and Steve/Deanna who showed up. Would they still have been snooty?
I doubt a judge would sign off on such a child support arrangement. That article is so full of BS and untruths. I wonder if this is what the sheeple came up with and sold to ROL?
Dear ROL
I realize that most your readers have the brain capacity of peat moss but some people actually know that a JUDGE makes the decision on CS.
Such bullshit.
She can plant as many stories as she wants about Jon but the fact is, he'll be spilling a lot about her on CT AND it still won't get her back on TV.
I was also thinking about today's View appearance. How many viewers will realize that this was filmed on Thursday and be even more outraged thinking that TFW dragged her kids to another interview four days after the epic fail? Today's appearance may only serve to further rile up people that may have settled down a bit since Thursday.
Kate's trying to run damage control with that ROL article. It finally got through her thick head that nobody believes her spin about stage fright in the Today show, and that everyone saw what was really going on. So, of course, she has to plant a story painting Jon as the worse parent. Hmmm, is it deflection from the Today show appearance? Was the View pre-taped and she realizes it is just as bad as the Today show, and will therefore bring more criticism her way? Or is she still so wrapped up in her reality TV dream that she's trying to let the networks know that Jon can't stop the kids from filming, therefore he won't be an obstacle to signing her new Growing UP Gosselin concept? Or all three?
Good grief, she really needs to move past TV and get on with her life!
Here's what I'm thinking when I read the ROL article:
"IF" Jon signed off on that Custody Agreement....
"SO DID TFW". Which begs the thought that she believes she would get more money out of the kids than she would receive from child support.
So...if this 'did happen', then TFW is just as culpable in seeing her kids as commodities instead of human beings.
ROL has a new article about Jon being a hypocrite and lying about wanting to keep kids off tv. A "source" says Jon gave up all rights in having any say if the kids are on tv or not in exchange for not having to pay child support. "Source" says M and C hate him for this and have not seen or spoke to him in 9 months.
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How can that be true if he's actually said it himself that he will fight to keep them off tv? Maybe he felt that tfw WOULDN'T put him in this predicament? Maybe he thought she'd NEVER do what she did to the twins? And if this were true, that the twins hate him for this, why was the only time they PERKED up and SPOKE was when they were asked about doing another reality show? Why were they SILENT when their mother's script called for them to throw their father under the bus? Why could they not do it? Mady had no problem throwing her younger sister under the bus
“That is Jon and Kate’s child support agreement. He’s being so hypocritical acting like he only wants the best for his children by keeping them off TV, when really he basically sold them.”
http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2014/01/kate-gosselin-estranged-teenage-twins-hurt-refuse-to-see-father-jon-gosselin/
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I guess we'll see what he says now. I am very sorry for the kids. If it is not true, he really needs to address this in the Courts. This is beyond ridiculous.
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She and Skevee have had all weekend to plot and spin the Today Show debacle and this the ROL article is the best they could come up with?
Two heads are not better than one!
Didn't Jon refute that RadarOnline story, in advance & indirectly, by mentioning their upcoming visit? I don't, for a single second, think that he was making that up! And what about the Twitter pics of the G8, posted by random Tweeters with nothing in this fight? TFW's "sources" prove themselves non-credible, over and over again.
And "if" (yeah right) tfw is the "source" then the 9 month silent treatment is HER version. Narcs religiously over exaggerate numbers to embellish. 800 diapers, 900 snowsuits, 6000 cookies, 58 weeks of bedrest...you get it. Maybe they are miffed with him about something, but with that bitch filling their heads??? Are we surprised? But they still could NOT bash their father. THAT says it all
She and Skevee have had all weekend to plot and spin the Today Show debacle and this the ROL article is the best they could come up with?
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No doubt. And it's exactly the same shit the sheeple have been spouting on twitter and blogs. Getting help from those imbeciles? Or has it always been skeeve/tfw with fake accounts?
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Kate's trying to run damage control with that ROL article. It finally got through her thick head that nobody believes her spin about stage fright in the Today show, and that everyone saw what was really going on. So, of course, she has to plant a story painting Jon as the worse parent. Hmmm, is it deflection from the Today show appearance? Was the View pre-taped and she realizes it is just as bad as the Today show, and will therefore bring more criticism her way? Or is she still so wrapped up in her reality TV dream that she's trying to let the networks know that Jon can't stop the kids from filming, therefore he won't be an obstacle to signing her new Growing UP Gosselin concept? Or all three?
Good grief, she really needs to move past TV and get on with her life!
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Ding, ding, ding--we have a winner!! I agree with Layla, it's all three.
I, for one, hope the fallout continues with her appearance on The View.
Didn't Jon refute that RadarOnline story, in advance & indirectly, by mentioning their upcoming visit? I don't, for a single second, think that he was making that up!
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Good point!
Nobody NOBODY is ever going to make me think those kids prefer that tyrant abusing cell warden over their dad, whether they feel a distorted dysfunctional loyalty to the princess or not. She manipulates them in every inch of their being.
The sheeple "authored" this story, that I am sure of. This has been their "story" ever since it was revealed Jon does not pay child support. A "source close to Kate"...LOL...Milo...Ms. Goody....one of the other 4 remaining mental midgets?
She's probably gearing up for another round of "setting the record straight" interviews. I have never seen anything so bizarre as this ridiculous back and forth stories in the media, where two people keep dragging their divorce and their children thru the dirt in the public eye. This divorce was what, four years ago? And they are still selling stories and making money off of it at the expense of their children, who they just keep using as pawns to get back at each other. Has there EVER been a divorce that has been played out this long in the media? Do they ever once stop and think of their children? How ugly and embarrassing.
Marie
Mady had no problem throwing her younger sister under the bus
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I don't think this is fair. Mady didn't throw her sister under the bus. She was looking to Cara for a little help, she felt alone out there. Her mother had thrown her to the wolves and the poor kid was looking to Cara for some backup.
Marie
And she's just effing contradicted herself!! If he traded off in order to not pay child support, according to this "leak" and they are not speaking to him because now they have to keep doing reality WHAT THE HELL WAS THEIR PURPOSE OF THE TODAY SHOW. that proves THAT SHE'S MAKING THEM SAY THEY WANT TO DO REALITY, right?
A "source" says Jon gave up all rights in having any say if the kids are on tv or not in exchange for not having to pay child support. "Source" says M and C hate him for this and have not seen or spoke to him in 9 months.
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If they "hate" him for (basically) giving up his right to stop them from filming wouldn't it stand to reason that they don't want to film? I really hope that this isn't what TFW is filling their heads with. Queue a tirade from Ms. Goodie! The fans will have a field day with this because they will conveniently forget that TFW herself has said that the rag mags print nothin but lies. Oh, what's that you say? OK, I've got he company line now. They're only lies if they paint TFW in a bad light. If they paint Jon in a bad light they're all true.
Has there EVER been a divorce that has been played out this long in the media? Do they ever once stop and think of their children?
This is all she's got though. She can't act, can't write, host, public speak. All she's able to do is fall back on the things that have brought her attention and sympathy but now she's dragging the kids into it.
Wow, look at the comments on the ROL article! Nobody is fooled by that load of crap, and everyone knows that Kate planted the story. She has finally been unmasked, and nobody is buying her deflection crap anymore.
TFMJG does not realize that no matter how many stories she or Rat Claws or anyone puts out there to put Jon in negative light, it doesn't matter. No one is really interested in two average teens who go to school and come home with a bunch of siblings. everyone has real life relatives or neighbors our kids in church that you can watch go thru awkward teen years. They are average and that is not a bad thing, it just won't get you on TV.
Now let's film TFMJG getting therapy and arguing with therapist, that would be interesting.
Could Milo be an employee of Rat Claws? Maybe so.
IF the story is true that the twins are upset because of the decision, then how despicable is TFW in spinning it into Jon giving up legal custody (which is what this is about) into 'he sold them'? AND, why would they care unless SHE put a negative connotation on it? This isn't something they'd twist and come up with on their own. SHE put this spin on it. How despicable that she didn't put this in proper context for them that it doesn't change his love for them or explain it as we've discussed here.
This REEKS of her manipulation.
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