Thursday, January 30, 2014

Discussion Thread: Couples Therapy episode 5, "Player for Life"



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PJ's momma said...

Dang, I almost had the last post on the previous topic. Wowser, in that video you posted about the good bra, she actually calls the pap by name! He asks about her workout routine/diet and she says, "Chris, seriously?" Well, how on earth would she know the pap's name? Hmmmm.

OrangeCrusher1 said...

Carrying over from the previous thread, so nice of TFW to check in with her fan club. Homework, showers, clean up, oh my - tough life when you have a 3 hour work day, after bus pick up. Even tougher when your fan club probably does all that, and more, after an 8 hour real work day. She, and her consigliere Milo, really just need to shutupshutupshutup.

Wowser said...

Pj's mom.....that's one if the reason's why I posted it.....Robert said she had "Chris" the pap on speed dial and there's another video where she is a vile snotty bitch to a pap in the target parking lot (in another truly tragic outfit) and it's Chris' voice. sURRRRRRE !! She doesn't like the paperazzi! Lol what a tool!

Beyond DIsgusted said...

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack 8m
@Kateplusmy8 No one else can EVER take your place...YOU ARE THEIR MOM!! YOU are the BEST! Just be YOU! :)

Uh, Milo, hon I think that's the problem, Kate is Kate and fans are becoming former fans because they see her for what she is, and they realize that she's never going to change.

I sometimes wonder if this whole over-the-top worship thing by Milo is just an act. Would any normal middle age mother of two kids be this obsessed over another woman? If it's not an act, then this is one sick puppy. I wish there were a way we could find out.

PJ's momma said...

Wowser, too funny! You're a detective, and not a defective one either!

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Homework, showers, clean up? Translation: "While you watch my ex cavorting on VH1, just remember I'm here in the trenches, being a mom, busy x8!"

What about that 20 hours of help TFW admitted to having during the week? That means 4 hours a day...maybe 5pm - 9pm? So all this work she's talking about is, um, maybe, imaginary?

Wowser said...

Pj's mom......recognize the voice? Check out TFW's shoes? Lol

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jwmhMQkvJSo

Lynne In RI said...

CT right now.

Now we know that Jon's marriage to Kate was sexless. She must have been one cold fish. Seems like his whole purpose in the marriage was to be a sperm donor.

sparkle said...

Kate Gosselin ‏@Kateplusmy8 23m
Just wanted2stop in&say hi ..Now back 2 homework, showers, clean up and laundry..
Thanks 4 your love my twitter friends! I know you know:)
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Awwww isn't that special :) She knows they know. Here's what I know.

She is going to be 39 in two months. She has no job. Her cookbook was a hot mess of unclear, unhealthy recipes. It tanked. She is currently the laughing stock of the entertainment industry, reduced to being tabloid fodder. She has no friends. She has no man to share her life. She has no contact with family. In fact, just yesterday she allowed her nieces, nephews and brother in law to be thrown under the bus, making sure the bus ran over them several times so they could really feel her wrath. Her ex husband is going to to sue her for custody of her 6 youngest. 9 months ago, she had to copyright a journal where she outlined in great detail how she beat her toddlers and grifted from well-meaning good samaritans. She did this because it's her property and she wrote it.

What she does have is 6 sycophants who are so inexplicably loyal, one could suspect they were being paid. She doesn't want to meet them, she doesn't seem to do anything for them, but they sure do stuff for her..... and she knows they know. Wow. I don't know whether to laugh or cry. I guess I'll laugh because supposedly we're jellus of this. Teeheeteehee.

Wowser said...

Foreshadowing of their tragic Today show!! Lol. She should have viewed all her DVD's a little more closely! The twins apparently did and just like Milo said....THEY KNOW exactly what kind of mom they have. It showed in this video and they SHOWED her on the Today show.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UPXX1nPrse4

Wowser said...

Hmmmmm.....which parent have they bonded with????

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=x__vxIfbdlw

Wowser said...

PROOF!!! Right from TFW's mouth.....she did abuse the dogs in the crates where they bent the bars! Omg!!

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FJHr_Xg4b5o

sparkle said...

Wowser said... 3
Pj's mom.....that's one if the reason's why I posted it.....Robert said she had "Chris" the pap on speed dial and there's another video where she is a vile snotty bitch to a pap in the target parking lot (in another truly tragic outfit) and it's Chris' voice. sURRRRRRE !! She doesn't like the paperazzi! Lol what a tool!
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Did you catch the story in the book about the time Chris the pap was away for a few weeks? Since he wasn't around, Kate began running her errands with no makeup and wearing shlub clothes. One day Chris resurfaced. Kate was wearing sweats. She drove a 1/2 hour back home, changed and fixed her hair and makeup, then headed back out to finish her errands. But she hates the p-people and doesn't notice them, whatever.

Meagler said...

Looks like it Throwback Thursday on here with reviews of some great for us, but not so great video footage of TFW in action....

I never saw this one before. Tony D backs away from an Interview with kate.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UPXX1nPrse4

Wowser said...

Jon's at least consistent with his stories!!! Hmmmm.... TFW? Not so much!

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v8OFRjAlq40

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

A good marriage is give and take. If you have an understanding that there will be a reasonable amount of sex in the relationship, it's not fair to withhold sex from your partner, then complain when they decide this relationship is no longer working for them. Sex is normal and healthy. Was she even willing to examine the reasons why she was withholding sex? For someone so young and supposed to be in love, that could indicate some pretty serious issues. And history repeats herself, I notice Liz implied that she too was withholding sex. What gives? Have these women figured out the way to really break Jon is withhold affection, sexual or otherwise? OH talks about how a good relationship is where you are compatible emotionally, intellectually, and yes sexually. I just don't see Kate and Jon compatible on any of those levels.

NJGal51 said...

TFW is speaking in code but I've broken the code! I understand it completely now and who knew she was a fan of Psych! Part of the lyrics to the shows theme song are as follows...

"l know you know that I'm not telling the truth. I know you know they just don't have any proof." It goes on to say "embrace the deception".

So there you have it. Boy she is on a manic tweet binge tonight.

Marie said...

Wonder . . . The shoes. LOL. It looks like she just left tap lessons. . . Or something

Marie

Meagler said...

This one has some classic pieces in it. Season 3 appears to be the beginning of the making of the bi-otch.. ( I think it was always there, but she starts to have a harder time concealing it as the narcisstic personality starts to feel pretty darn confident...

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FJHr_Xg4b5o

This is the White Throne, belittling Jon for breathing too loud, placing one of the littles on the laundry floor.

Also, watch the part closely where JOn is looking for the violin... He's yelling up the staors to Kate, and she says " When you came into MY room" and catches herself, and in next sentence says "our"...

gabby2 said...

It's great posting some of the old clips....for any new people here....LOL

It's There said...

Lanc Native said... 168
TLC said,

"I believe the Lancaster paper, like many, probably has a police blotter of arrests. Also I think has some contact with one of her sisters."

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It publishes police reports, such as disorderly conduct, DUI, speeding violations, etc., but unless there was an article on this, it's not included in the police reports. If you search the Lancaster paper online, the only thing that comes up under his name is the school auction in which he was the sausage maker (June 2007).
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You're incorrect. The information is on Lancaster Online, but his name is spelled wrong. http://lancasteronline.com/news/police-log-friday-june/article_e4f2ced0-13fb-5012-a459-c2fb82df045d.html

Meagler said...

I am very angry right now!

This not where we were suppose to be.

This is not what "I" envisioned for "us".

This is not what "I" envisioned for "him"

Kate you forgot about the " we" in Marriage....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha3DIizrGOc

localyocul said...

I love these clips but this one is not the throne, etc it's TFW thinking she's all that talking to her fans about the dogs:

Meagler said... 19
This one has some classic pieces in it. Season 3 appears to be the beginning of the making of the bi-otch.. ( I think it was always there, but she starts to have a harder time concealing it as the narcisstic personality starts to feel pretty darn confident...

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FJHr_Xg4b5o

This is the White Throne, belittling Jon for breathing too loud, placing one of the littles on the laundry floor.

Also, watch the part closely where JOn is looking for the violin... He's yelling up the staors to Kate, and she says " When you came into MY room" and catches herself, and in next sentence says "our"...
January 30, 2014 at 7:06 PM

Aunt Connie said...

Beyond Disgusted 4 said:

I sometimes wonder if this whole over-the-top worship thing by Milo is just an act. Would any normal middle age mother of two kids be this obsessed over another woman? If it's not an act, then this is one sick puppy. I wish there were a way we could find out.

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I recall a rather attractive blondish, 40ish type woman at a book signing who was oogling Kate (in a video somewhere sometime) and her mouth was absolutely drooling...

She was so disgustingly hilarious my mouth was hanging open. This woman gushed adoration from every pore. Seems like she was saying her hair was almost long enough to cut like Kate's crazy rooster cut, or something like that. I just remember being absolutely blown away by her total, ridiculous, obvious, idol worship. And the woman looked like an intelligent, "normal(?)" type person. That couldn't have been Milo, could it? She looked too normal, but she sure acted like Milo would have acted. She did everything but mark Kate as her territory.

Sleepless In Seattle said...

You're incorrect. The information is on Lancaster Online, but his name is spelled wrong. http://lancasteronline.com/news/police-log-friday-june/article_e4f2ced0-13fb-5012-a459-c2fb82df045d.html

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How would someone on Twitter, unless they are specifically looking for this arrest report, know to search the online website and know to type in a misspelling of the name?

Lanc Native said...

You're incorrect. The information is on Lancaster Online, but his name is spelled wrong. http://lancasteronline.com/news/police-log-friday-june/article_e4f2ced0-13fb-5012-a459-c2fb82df045d.html

LOL!! Maybe that's why they've been running ads for proofreaders! Good catch!

Lanc Native said...

She did everything but mark Kate as her territory.

((((((((((

At least she didn't lift her leg...or did she? ;)

JoyinVirginia said...

Yeah! New Couples Therapy episode! Another stellar recap from admin is on the , soon I hope!
I always thought providing sexual activity was a stronger motivator than withholding sex. I do feel sorry for Jon, and i'm glad he can share the truth on CT. Some of it, on a lot if it is staged, but you can tell some of it is absolutely authentic.
The one and only time my dh watched a few minutes of the original show, at the insistence of our dd who was a huge fan at the time, it was a couch session. TFMJG was her usual rude self to Jon. Dh turned off the TV, and told dd that was no way to talk to a spouse and he was mystified as to why Jon hadn't left TFMJG. He also told dd that he never wanted that show on in the house again. Dd thought the kids were cute. I was mystified as to why anyone would think seeing a couple wrangle a pile of children would be in the least bit interesting.
Dd got disinterested with the show add TFMJG got meaner and show became more about taking trips. When TFMJG showed up on people cover last year, dd called her fame whore without my prompting!
Most if the college age and teen kids who watched the original show are older, wiser, and have no interest in school age, average kids our their mean self centered mother.

Somewhere In Time said...

"The information is on Lancaster Online, but his name is spelled wrong."

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I don't think it really matters if this information was found in a newspaper police report, or in online docs. The bottom line is that someone went dirt-digging on Kendra and came up with this. ROL published the photo of the family that included minor children who were never involved in any of this, and that's about as low as you can go.

It's There said...

Somewhere In Time said... 23
"The information is on Lancaster Online, but his name is spelled wrong."

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I don't think it really matters if this information was found in a newspaper police report, or in online docs. The bottom line is that someone went dirt-digging on Kendra and came up with this. ROL published the photo of the family that included minor children who were never involved in any of this, and that's about as low as you can go.
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Well, I believe that correct information matters. I didn't defend the article, I simply pointed out that it is not true that the information was not available online.

lukebandit said...

sparkle said... 9
Kate Gosselin ‏@Kateplusmy8 23m
Just wanted2stop in&say hi ..Now back 2 homework, showers, clean up and laundry..
Thanks 4 your love my twitter friends! I know you know:)
&&&&

What she does have is 6 sycophants who are so inexplicably loyal, one could suspect they were being paid. She doesn't want to meet them, she doesn't seem to do anything for them, but they sure do stuff for her..... and she knows they know. Wow. I don't know whether to laugh or cry. I guess I'll laugh because supposedly we're jellus of this. Teeheeteehee.

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Sparkle, you said you didn't know whether to laugh or cry and decided on Teeheeteehee. I am watching the Golden Girls right now and that reminds me of Rose when Dorothy was leaving and she said she was not going to cry, but laugh, teeheeteehee and then she broke down crying!

Greedy Gosselins said...

I agree it's gross to post a pic of the entire family however that's what happens when people on Facebook don't set their privacy settings. I always viewed FB as either 1 of 2 things.

It's either used 1) to keep in touch with faraway family and friends and thus locked down to only these people or 2) it's used as an attention getter because when not locked down, it appears they want 'everyone' who googles your name to see it. There's really no excuse for not being aware enough to lock down one's FB page. There's a thousand articles out there about the dangers of not using FB properly.

So, yes, no tabloid mag should have ever done what ROL did but if Kendra had only locked her FB down, there would have been no access to these pictures.

abbi said...

Please tell me my ears didn't just hear Jon saying that having 'relations' with Kate was a "chore". Please.

NO one needs to know this. We all thought it but really Jon?? No need to confirm our sick suspicions. Neither do your kids. Is he saying that conceiving his children was a CHORE? O.M.G.

What is wrong with this show? Why do they seem to break private confidentiality and professional ethics? This show should NOT be televised. If these people need therapy that badly, find a PRIVATE psychologist!! Please!

Anonymous said...

(Leslie)
This was a tweet that someone send her that she posted to her TL:
@Kateplusmy8 saw you on TV tonight onET tonight well you look beautiful on there so your two daughters on there the twins they r beautiful
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Were they on ET?

Also, don't think for a minute that any of CT is scripted. All that happens is for real and makes sense to me. And I see that Jon did admit that he was about to masturbate. I think Jon would say why not talk about it on TV...everybody does it. And I loved the fact that the therapist put Liz in her place by calling out her bad reaction and name calling of Jon. You could tell from Liz's reaction that she was very embarrassed and that this is not scripted.

A Tweetie said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=v60xIr51mOQ

Since you're posting Utvids, here's one that shouldn't be left behind, Slo-mo if you can or quickly hit pause & play. p,s it wasn't Collin btw.

snowbird said...

Is he saying that conceiving his children was a CHORE? O.M.G.

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Jon's said SOOO many times how much he loves his children and we have seen SOOO much evidence of that love so please don't try to cheapen that fact, Hold the outrage and indignation for something that deserves it. The G8 were conceived via IUI. Jon possibly wasn't even present when the event took place.

just the facts said...

Somewhere In Time said... 29
"The information is on Lancaster Online, but his name is spelled wrong."

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I don't think it really matters if this information was found in a newspaper police report, or in online docs. The bottom line is that someone went dirt-digging on Kendra and came up with this. ROL published the photo of the family that included minor children who were never involved in any of this, and that's about as low as you can go.
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I agree with everything you said.

I have submitted two posts about how and where the info can be found, both did not go through. I'll try to be as vague as possible so this one can go through and the back and forth on this subject may be eased. There is a readily available source of online records I suspect was used to find the info about J.W. The posters here have already verified that there is no way someone "just came across it." It was only found in their local paper after purposely mispelling his name.

Someone had to go digging for this.

it's snowing here said...

abbi said... 33

Please tell me my ears didn't just hear Jon saying that having 'relations' with Kate was a "chore". Please.

NO one needs to know this. We all thought it but really Jon?? No need to confirm our sick suspicions. Neither do your kids. Is he saying that conceiving his children was a CHORE? O.M.G.

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well, on the flip side Kate's 6 fans all discussed Jon's size (or lack thereof) on her twitter timeline and she didn't tell them to stop.

And as far as sex being a chore, wouldn't it have been a chore? From what Robert stated in the book, Kate ordered fertility meds under a fictitious name, had them shipped to another mail box...I don't exactly call that 'spontaneous' sex either.

Poor Jon, he was married to a harpy shrew that withheld love and affection.
He wouldn't even sleep with Liz the first time he met her. He wanted to cuddle.

I give Jon a lot of leeway where Kate is concerned. She certainly was an abusive tyrant.

it's snowing here said...

Under the best of circumstances, no, Jon probably shouldn't have said Kate withheld sex (but no surprise there).
But she's flung so much shit his way she deserves to have some of it flung back at her.
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another thought...one of the clips linked upthread had Kate talking about tabloids and the effects it has on people that are trashed..and she said it was horrible to do that to someone. guess that was the old Kate, because she just threw her sister's family under the bus. She's past redemption.
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and one more thing...what happened to marathon momma? LOL

Paula said...

abbi said... 33 ..Neither do your kids. Is he saying that conceiving his children was a CHORE? O.M.G
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LOL....you gotta love those sheeple - they continually amuse. That's what you got out of what Jon said? Not that his wife was frigid or anything?

The Empress Was Stripped Bare-nekkid said...

Re "marathon momma" question: I don't see her being all that interested in running anymore, do you? I get the distinct impression that her sponsorships were pulled, or that she lost interest when those contracts ended. Plus, she's very thin now, and likely malnourished. I'm guessing she probably hasn't got the energy to sustain those long-distance runs anymore.

Rearranging the Deck Chairs on the Titanic said...

So, let me get this straight... Jon Go$$elin stated on NATIONAL TV that
1.) he DID masturbate ("beat off", as he put it) in that episode of CT
and
2.) having relations with Khate, the mother of his 8 children, WAS A CHORE.

These are very personal and private things which that NIT WIT should have kept to himself. This is only going to further HUMILIATE the 8:

Cara
Mady
Alexis
Colin
Hannah
Joel
Leah and
Aiden.

Good. Job. Jon.

P.S. Khate is no better. Those kids have LOSERS for parents.

Go Broncs.

Formerly Duped said...

I always thought TFW was asexual, thus I doubted her relationship to Steve was an affair. This episode of CT sounds horrible.

As for damage control, she is tweeting her own brand of everyday life control of the kids- why should she need to help almost 10 year olds shower?

Berks Neighbor said...

I watched the episode.
I was actually surprised at how open Jon was about sex. Here's a guy that was denied it (except for special occasions I'm sure) for nearly 10 years. I'm sure he had to find a way to release the 'tension'.
There is nothing wrong with masturbation, as long as it is not used as a way to avoid relationships. In Jon's case he is NOT using it in that way. I get the distinct impression that he is a very affectionate man, enjoys being close with a woman, etc.
My husband had 'the talk' with our boys around the age of 8 to help them understand that it's not bad. Sex and sexual activity is not to be shamed if it's discussed in a manner of respect.
I can't see what all the hubbub is about. This show is called COUPLES THERAPY. It's not American Idol, it's not a game show. This is REAL conversations about real topics and issues that couples go through.
If Jon was on J&K+8 talking about masturbation then that would have been more shocking as it was a show meant for family. People tune into CT to see what other couples (celebrities in this manner) are going through and how it may relate to them.
I'm sure the kids saw how 'unloving' TFW was toward their dad. They live it now. The doors are opened for those kids to talk about this with their dad. They will learn that sex is NOT a joke, it's not a weapon to wield, a favor to withhold if you don't get your way, nor is it something shameful...

NJGal51 said...

A really good article by Dax Separd

Why Our Children Should Be Off Limits http://huff.to/1fmq3sC

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Jon needs to examine and face head on the true reasons behind why he is where he is today, and it's obvious one of those reasons is because he has a relationship history of a woman denying him his needs. Those needs, even if it was just a hug but including sex from time to time, were not being met by Kate. It's not so much the physical itself but the WHY. She could have withheld anything--money, time, kindness, whatever. The point is she is withholding and she needs to figure out WHY was she withholding, or rather why was he sitting in a relationship letting this happen, how did he end up in a dysfunctional relationship where a woman was wielding that sort of power over him? Why did he let it go so long? If he does not want this pattern to continue he's going to need to face this.

Gayle said...

"So, yes, no tabloid mag should have ever done what ROL did but if Kendra had only locked her FB down, there would have been no access to these pictures."

So it's Kendra's fault Greedy Gosselins? I don't think so.

Abbi (Kate) wander back to twitter. Your job of posting here is done so go back and giggle with the rest of the flock because you sure didn't hear what Jon said. Twist it any way you want though. Bye!

Marie said...

I'm going to need therapy after this. And I didn't even watch the show. I"m just reading the comments.

Marie

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

A family photograph in which only two people are arguably even fair game was posted. It doesn't matter how it was obtained or even if the family were careless with the photograph, it was inappropriate and humiliating.

Same analogy goes for houses. if one day you forget to lock the door Radar doesn't get to come in and steal your family photos and do stories about all your dirty laundry. It was wrong, and it's irrelevant how the information was obtained.

LisaNH said...

Lynne In RI said... 8
CT right now.

Now we know that Jon's marriage to Kate was sexless. She must have been one cold fish. Seems like his whole purpose in the marriage was to be a sperm donor.

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She roped him in with sex, I'm sure. There is a video out there (maybe on YT) of before they were married or had just gotten engaged and they are opening Xmas presents and Kate is so giddy and affectionate with Jon. Fast foreward a few years later, she got what she wanted from Jon (his sperm) so had no use for him anymore and cut him off, both sexually and emotionally.

Marie said...

"So, yes, no tabloid mag should have ever done what ROL did but if Kendra had only locked her FB down, there would have been no access to these pictures."

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Ha, yes! Because you never know when one of your no good relatives are going to steal your picture and send it to ROL. Um hmm.

Marie

LisaNH said...

Formerly Duped said... 43
I always thought TFW was asexual, thus I doubted her relationship to Steve was an affair. This episode of CT sounds horrible.

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I have always waffled back and forth on whether she was asexual or was turned on by prestige. But after seeing CT, I'm thinking she's a cold fish and you may be right, maybe she didn't have an affair with Steve, but it still looks fishy, even if she is a cold fish LOL.

Rhymes with Witch said...

Why did he let it go so long? 46

Eight children that he truly loves.

Terri said...

Well it looks like Wendy Williams REALLY doesn't like Kate at all. She was just talking about the story of Kate's sister speaking out and said that how things have changed over the last six years. She said "Well Kate you wanted the big life, now nobody wants you." she also said Kate is looking crazier than ever using her kids.

Snickdog said...

In my opinion....

It was never a sexual thing with Steve. Remember, Kate is stuck in a junior high mentality. It was all about having a good looking, Hollywood-worthy guy on her arm. Jon is cute, but not cute enough for Kate once SHE glammed up. So she traded him in--but not for sex. It's all about appearances for Kate--nothing deeper than that. All she cares about is how people perceive her--she gets all dolled up and photographed with the cute guy--aren't you jealous??? You would be--if you were still 13 like Kate is.

Everything in Kate's life--her "boyfriend", her looks, her house, her children--it's all for show. Just so people will look at her and think she is so beautiful and must be SO wonderful because she has all that "stuff".

And make no mistake--to her, the kids are "stuff.

So, so sad.....

localyocul said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 49
A family photograph in which only two people are arguably even fair game was posted. It doesn't matter how it was obtained or even if the family were careless with the photograph, it was inappropriate and humiliating.

Same analogy goes for houses. if one day you forget to lock the door

((((((

One problem is at one point FB randomly changed privacy settings (actually they have done it a few times). I had mine set all on private then one day a coworker that I was not friends with on FB started talking about my photos. Somehow FB had made it so you had to make each photo or album private as they were posted and I didn't realize it. So I had to go back in and tighten up my settings.

Even now I think you can see most people's profile pictures even if they are set to prviate.

Formerly Duped said...

NJGal51 said... 45
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That's a good article by Dax Shepard (Parenthood) whose his wife is Kristen Bell ( voice, in Frozen) They recently had a baby girl,Lincoln, and had waited to marry until gay marriage was legalized in CA. The 'questions' at the end are great! Well, Kate DID sign her kids up for this kind of victimization by paps. I wish there had been a voice of reason like Dax's Kate would have listened to back before the show, heck, before the IUI! But I doubt she would listen to anyone on this Earth.

lukebandit said...

Was just watching Home and Family and they talked to all of the panel outside this morning and right before the commercial Jenn somebody who is a sports reporter was introduced and she went toward Mark to hug him and Mark said she was late! But he didn't mean it snarky. They seem to really genuinely care about this lady.

Same thing that TFW did. I wonder if she was in a closet somewhere not wanting to come out or traffic or what was her reason for being late. That is a no no for being on tv.

So glad Tanya Meamy (sp.) is on H & F! She is so nice, smart and is great at doing craft projects with real tools. She hosted Sell This House with Roger the designer.

JR said...

You gotta love Wendy Williams....calling Kate "CRAZY"....I love it...I think we should start calling her crazy from now on. Its the simplest of terms but describes her perfectly. BTW...when Crazy said "her fans know"..what the hell was she talking about? They know nothing...she tweets them on twitter for goodness sake....they are absolute strangers to her....

Mel said...

This episode of CT sounds horrible.

Actually it wasn't bad. Jon/Liz were a very small percentage of it. The majority of the time was spent on Ghostface & his girlfriend .
The producers of CT don't seem to have the fascination with All Things Gosselin. lol

Those needs, even if it was just a hug but including sex from time to time, were not being met by Kate. It's not so much the physical itself but the WHY. She could have withheld anything--money, time, kindness, whatever.

I think the last few years she *did* withhold money/time/kindness. Sadly. Although at the beginning my impression was that she offered lots of physicality...see below.

She roped him in with sex, I'm sure. There is a video out there (maybe on YT) of before they were married or had just gotten engaged and they are opening Xmas presents and Kate is so giddy and affectionate with Jon.

I've seen that video, too. My impression also is that she roped him in with with (at least the promise of) lots and lots of sex. The sex kitten thing. Very, very overly affectionate in that video.

Jon is cute, but not cute enough for Kate once SHE glammed up. So she traded him in

You nailed it. I don't know that there was a relationship with Steve, but she surely wanted everyone to *think* there was.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Yes so true Local, not only can FB settings be screwy (even I've noticed that sometimes the default setting for photos, which should be just "friends" will without explanation change to public or custom) but so much of our lives are on the internet now.

If your son is picked MVP on the JV baseball team it's not just in the local paper and you cut the article out and that's it. It's in the local paper ONLINE with a color photo, his name and stats. And that means Google starts trolling it and it shows up in search engines FOREVER. If someone wanted to search you out they could easily find it. Everything is going online now. Sites like Zillow will show you INSIDE people's houses sometimes if it were recently up for sale and they can troll for the photos. Talk about it being easy for burglars. You can easily find voting records and mortgages, professional licenses, and addresses past and present. It's shocking the amount of info many schools are still just throwing online. Even the elementary school where I was a nanny, which had kids like Pam Andersen's kids, would post class schedules and rosters and teachers and field trip instructions all online, as well as awards, photos, etc. IF someone wanted to it would be very easy to track down someone's kid. Although in the past couple years more and more of them are moving to a sign in system where only those who go to the school can access that. Still, in many respects this freedom of information is a good thing.

However, I firmly believe it does not mean everything is "fair game" or that we get to disrespect people's privacy or post things that are not newsworthy or post things from people who have never gone on record publicly about anything. In the outing wars over the years so many things have been posted that were wrong, or misconstrued, or irrelevant, or private. People doing that need to ask themselves is this really newsworthy, is this just an attempt to intimate and humiliate, just because it's there does that mean it's fair game? We need to start drawing some lines as a society in a new much more open world. I think we need to respect certain things that are on the internet just like we would respect that you don't walk up to someone's house window and look in even though you COULD even though the window is "out there". Especially when many things available on the internet about us are NOT within our control and there is no opt out option.

Martha said...

Fourth effort to publish, so will be brief.
Berks Neighbor, enjoyed your refreshing post, and agree with you.
Jon has never professed to be a paragon of virtue. He's just a young, basically honest, naive guy. Masturbation is normal, and especially if sex is denied in a relationship or used as a ploy.
Gawd, those years with TFW...absolutely unbearable. Haven't seen CT, just read the post here. If Liz is a manipulator also, when it comes to sex! why not "beat off"?

OrangeCrusher1 said...

It does it matter if a picture was obtainable on Facebook; what matters is that someone went digging for it expressly to toss a private citizen under the Kate Gosselin 'Big Life' train. That is despicable. The ROL article is also despicable. But what is also IMO not exactly kosher are the people here who seem to think it is ok to go digging themselves and then tell the blog how you can find this information. Even if you are not outing someone or selling the info to ROL, why do you want to spend time snooping around in a stranger's life? No wonder certain posts are not going through. Sorry, but I find it creepy.

I may also be in the minority of those who really do not care what Jon Gosselin says about his sex life on a sleazy but adult themed reality tv show. He probably would not even be there if not for all the buttons pushed over and over and over by the biotch ex. Discussing his current, former and future sex lives ad nauseum is also creepy IMO.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

I just think withholding is very dysfunctional behavior in relationships, romantic or otherwise, no matter what it is that is being withheld. That is the M.O. of someone who gets off on exerting control and power over someone weaker. It is not right to withhold something then get upset when that person looks elsewhere for what they need, even in innocent places. And it seems both Liz and Kate have engaged in this behavior toward Jon. We've also seen Kate do the same toward her children to a really sick degree.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Wow sounds like Wendy is a true "hater" these days. LOL! Now wouldn't a normal person be absolutely mortified that week after week on a national talk show a nationally known public figure trash talks you like that? Wouldn't a normal person want to crawl under a rock and never come out?

Gabby2 said...

I did not think the episode was bad. One thing the young boys need to learn is NOT TO BE SHAMED for masturbating!! I am sure Twisted Kate has shamed them enough!!

As for sex being a chore for Jon making it with Kate....of course, who would doubt this?? I am sure she gave Jon a post-it note with explicit instructions.

1. Do this:
2. Don't do this:
3. Time needed:
4: Location:
5. Schedule:

LOL

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Oh and Kate withholds from her fans, teasing and hinting and not following through with what she promises.

Tomorrow is February 1 and she still has not announced who won her contest.

AuntieAnn said...

LisaNH said... 50

She roped him in with sex, I'm sure. There is a video out there (maybe on YT) of before they were married or had just gotten engaged and they are opening Xmas presents and Kate is so giddy and affectionate with Jon.

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On that little video, FIRST she wanted to know if the camera was on, then when Jon said it was she went into her lovey, kissy, huggy act. When she opened the gift with the ring inside, she squealed like a pig with her tail caught in the gate. The cat freaked out and ran away.
She was manipulating Jon from the very beginning of their relationship. I honestly do not know what he saw in her.

I agree with everyone that she was a cold fish after the six were born. She probably even used them as an excuse not to have sex with him...'too exhausted' and all that, even though she had half the town waiting on her hand and foot while she laid around barking orders.

The woman is an obnoxious wacko.

Mel said...

From the previous thread of episode 3:

''.....He's lying about something, it's all over his face.''
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I agree that there was an expression all over his face. However, you see the expression as lying, and I believe it was embarrassment mixed with resentment that she didn't believe him.


Of course he was lying. It was just a question of semantics. It was a convoluted lie, but a lie just the same.

Liz was accusing him of doing something, and he said he wasn’t doing it. How dare she not believe him! He *said* he wasn’t!

(It doesn't matter for the purposes of this discussion what it was that she was accusing him of. Masturbating, spilled a drink, left the orange juice on the counter, whatever. The point of this is the lying.)

Well, true enough. He wasn’t doing anything at that moment. But he was going to. He said so himself on this episode.

He *knew* that he was playing word games right then. He knew that while he was saying that he wasn’t doing anything, that he was *going* to do it. He was hoping that Liz wouldn’t bust him on the semantics, on the rationalization he was making.

He was bluffing. That’s the expression I saw on his face. That expression that says I’m playing a word game with you here. I’m only telling the truth for the part you asked about. It’s not *my* fault if you didn’t phrase your question right.

Now, if Liz had accused him that he was preparing to whatever, he wouldn’t have had a case. It was all in her phrasing. She said that he *was*, which he wasn’t....he was *going to.*
If she had said, ‘You were getting ready to whatever’, he couldn’t have denied that. But she didn’t say getting ready, she said that he was.

Word games. He was purposely trying to deceive her. He wasn’t technically lying, but he WAS playing word games and he knew it. He was busted and was trying to bluff his way out of it.
Doesn’t do much to foster an honest, open relationship. Not an adult relationship.

I wonder if Jon’s not a compulsive liar, in the context of when someone approaches him with a lot of emotional energy he’ll lie to avoid their energy.

His lying in that situation reminded me of a dog who pees on its leg when it senses hostile energy. Jon reminded me right then of a little kid whose mom was angrily accusing him of something.

I hope that with the therapy he can get over that kind of thinking. He’s a good dad, and obviously very nurturing to his children. But he needs to overcome that submissive kind of thinking. For his own sake and well as theirs.

Blowing In The Wind said...

Also, don't think for a minute that any of CT is scripted. All that happens is for real and makes sense to me. And I see that Jon did admit that he was about to masturbate. I think Jon would say why not talk about it on TV...everybody does it. And I loved the fact that the therapist put Liz in her place by calling out her bad reaction and name calling of Jon. You could tell from Liz's reaction that she was very embarrassed and that this is not scripted.

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It depends on what you mean by scripted. An actual script to follow? Word for word? No. However, I would bet that the producers tell them to play it up for drama, and that nothing they say is taboo because the more open they are and air their dirty laundry, the more viewers they will get. In this respect then yes, they are told what to do and how to act, playing it up for all it's worth.

LisaNH said...

Regarding CT, I must say I feel really bad for Ghostface's GF. I know she has a sorted past, but there is something about her that seems very honest. She doesn't seem hungry (like for fame and fortune), she just wants to be Ghostface's one and only and there is nothing wrong with that. Ghostface seems to be an ass and insensitve.

With all that being said, I think the whole "applejuice" part of the show was so scripted. It was kind of obvious. Just the way he was acting, with that smirk, told me he knew what was going to happen because it was probably rehersed. He was expecting to get a face full of most likely water and not really apple juice (water is easier to dry than apple juice-for multiple takes and retakes).

Blowing In The Wind said...

So, yes, no tabloid mag should have ever done what ROL did but if Kendra had only locked her FB down, there would have been no access to these pictures.

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Not necessarily. Depending on who was behind this, anyone could have provided a family picture to ROL, or they could have done digging on the internet to find it. There are ways they could have found a photo of Kendra's husband, or the entire family.

Hindsight is 20/20. Sure she could have locked down on FB, but she had no way of knowing that an internet trash tab was going to do this.

AuntieAnn said...

Oh and Kate withholds from her fans, teasing and hinting and not following through with what she promises.

Tomorrow is February 1 and she still has not announced who won her contest.

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Don't forget she withheld the cupcakes from the boys on their own birthday.

And yeah. She'd better announce the winners before one of her six fans gets mad enough to do something about it (right, Milo?).



silimom said...

I've known women like Kate who are bipolar with silmilar sexual hang ups. These are women who were promiscuous before and after they married. I think it's less about intimacy and more tied into their narcissism. Here's an interesting article that I think really gives some insight into Kate.

http://planetjan.wordpress.com/tag/can-a-narcissist-love-narcissists-and-sexual-promiscuity/

Anonymous For This Post Please said...

Berks Neighbor said... 44

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I agree with everything Berks Neighbor said. I chuckle a little when I read the outraged comments re: Couples Therapy. The title itself should give everyone a clue that the material covered is going to be of a personal nature, maybe even a little titillating. I don't watch the show (no cable) but it appears to be a fairly serious show despite being a reality show, which we all know is scripted sometimes.
I think Jon and Liz are very brave to go on such a show, which will show all their good qualities and warts. If the show is able to help them with their issues and prevent any viewer from entering into or continuing in the same type of relationship he had with TFMJG, then it will be worth it.

I'm firmly team Jon although I do recognize and hold him accountable for his past and current mistakes. Most of the posters on this board appear to have good relationships with their significant others. But I put three years into a relationship very similar to Jon's relationship with TFMJG. Can you imagine realizing shortly after the birth of your child that your only value to your spouse was as a housekeeper, caring for the child, and your earning power? The one attempt at counseling failed miserably as I was berated for "sharing secrets" and an early abortive attempt to leave was met with "how could you take my child from me" upon my return. There's a lot more, but no need to bore anyone. My ex's subsequent relationships have failed, I never remarried, and our child has no contact with him. But just try to imagine slogging thru day after day, trying to make someone love you/trying to get back to what you once had/thought you had (which in both our case appeared to be fake). It is a never-ending CHORE and can break a person.

So if Jon wants to speak the truth in order to exorcise his demons, I say go for it. People need to ignore the format and listen to the message. TFMJG has certainly said enough about Jon on TV, in interviews, via twitter, and thru omission by failing to call off her sheeple when they denigrate him. If the cameras were still in TFMJG's life, I'm sure she would sit on her couch, wiping away the crocodile tears, saying she doesn't know the person Jon has become. But those days are gone, hopefully never to return.

Not sure I said this very well. But you ladies are good and can figure out what I'm trying to say as well as my real handle:)

OrangeCrusher1 said...

It is truly amazing to consider that an almost 39 year old woman, the mother of 8 children, has the emotional maturity an social skill set of an immature 15 year old. Betting there will be a slew of RT rainbow farts this weekend. Maybe a Super Bowl party for the kids with 1 bag each of pretzels and potato chips.

Yes, apparently her pay it forward contest is still stuck in the station. No follow through unless someone else is doing it, paying for it, escorting her to it. WTF does she do all day?

JoyinVirginia said...

OT Miley Cyrus was guest on jay Leno last night. Her advice for Justin Bieber: he has Los of money, he should hire people to keep him out of trouble. Get a house and put a club in it, that wary you party at home. She is proud there are no mug shots of her.
Think what you will of Miley, she has smarty people advising her, she has talent, she is very professional at work from many accounts, and I think the attention she gets from trekking and outrageous acts is exactly that: very carefully crafted actions designed to get maximum PR.

Midnight Madness said...

Orange said: " Even if you are not outing someone or selling the info to ROL, why do you want to spend time snooping around in a stranger's life?"

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So someone who posted here knew to search a local newspaper to find the police report on Kendra's husband, and to use a misspelling of the name in order to find it?

Hmmmm........

I don't know if any others feel the same, but it kind of bothers me when posters show up here with user names that fit the content of their post -- and then they either disappear, or pop up again to use another name that fits their post.

Millicent said...

I too don't think that withholding love and affection from your spouse is healthy or the best way to address a problem with the relationship. If you have reached a point where you want to withhold love and affection, then maybe you aren't feeling love toward that person and you should examine the underlying issues and decide if you want to fight to make the relationship better or move on and let your partner move on too, hopefully to find someone who really loves them.

I'm not criticizing Jon & Liz, or anyone who has had sex very early on with their partner, but there is a definite reason why waiting a little bit before becoming intimate is a good thing. It allows you time to get to know the other person better, before your judgement could get clouded by sex. And in my experience, it does help with bonding. Still, it's a fact of life that many people do hook up after meeting out dancing or at a bar, and often wind up in bed together that same night. It's not wrong, but it does create a false sense of intimacy because basically that person is a stranger to you.

If Liz does not respect Jon, and if she makes fun of him or makes disparaging comments (to his face no less), then I think he needs to really consider letting this relationship go. This is merely traveling down a well worn path. I would never stay with someone who did not respect me, who called me a "pu@@y" or other derogatory names, or who told me to stop hurting and "man up!" Why would I accept that? I deserve better and so does Jon. So does everybody.

I don't watch CT, so I am just going on the comments I read here, but I think Liz may not be a good fit for Jon. Sounds like Jon has received some benefit already from therapy, but he's still got a long road to follow. That's okay - I'm in my early 50's and I'm still working through various issues and gaining new perspectives. Most of all, he needs to really love and respect himself. When he reaches that point, he will no longer be willing to accept being mocked or put down.

And Jon - if you do move on from Liz (and take a break from dating!), when you are back looking for a new relationship, I'd suggest looking elsewhere than at bars or clubs. Join a gym, join a club that does fun activities that you enjoy, or if the spirit moves you, join a church. These are all places that would allow you the time to get to know other people and hopefully you will find a kind soul with a lot of love to give. The outside is not as important as the inside.

(Ay, why do I offer advice to some person I've only seen on TV? Still, I feel for the guy and hope he ends up in a happy caring relationship.)

it's snowing here said...

Gayle said... 47

"So, yes, no tabloid mag should have ever done what ROL did but if Kendra had only locked her FB down, there would have been no access to these pictures."

So it's Kendra's fault Greedy Gosselins? I don't think so.

Abbi (Kate) wander back to twitter. Your job of posting here is done so go back and giggle with the rest of the flock because you sure didn't hear what Jon said. Twist it any way you want though. Bye!
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ouch! maybe Abbi misunderstood Jon's inference...but calling a poster 'Kate" and telling her to go away is sorta harsh..
(doesn't that violate a blog rule about attacking another poster?)
just my opinion, of course.
:)

Amy2 said...

Maybe Kate's time with Steve wasn't sexual. Kate is all about appearances, not substance. She liked the idea that she could "bed" Steve, but didn't actually do it. I remember a pic of her and Steve coming out of a fancy, schamcy hotel in NYC and Kate looked unkept. So much that would conclude that she did the dance with Steve between the sheets. Now, I don't think they every had sex because Kate could get what she wanted without having to put any effort (cough, cough) into it. Again, its all about appearances.

She dumped Jon because he had outlived his usefulness (sperm donor). Steve is a good looking guy who Kate wanted to be seen with.

It's the look at me I've got a new hairdo, fancy clothes, lost weight but the on the inside she never changed her MO since high school. Always looking for the person one rung up on the ladder that could help her.

Kate is not a woman of substance only shallow appearances.

Mel said...

I admired the lesbian woman who refused to say on camera about something to do with her dad, saying that she didn't think that this was the appropriate forum for that...airing dirty laundry on camera wasn't the right thing to do.

Good for her.

it's snowing here said...

Kate uses sex to her advantage. She did to ensnarl Jon, and once she obtained what she wanted, she was done with sex.
If she could turn it 'on' with Jon, she could certainly turn it 'on' with Steve.
She might have done him seven shades of Sunday to try to get him to leave his wife and marry her. If she did, he didn't do it.
LOL

Millicent said...

abbi said:
What is wrong with this show? Why do they seem to break private confidentiality and professional ethics? This show should NOT be televised. If these people need therapy that badly, find a PRIVATE psychologist!! Please!
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While I agree that therapy sessions ought to be something private, I think we here at this blog known that reality tv is all about exploiting the so-called real lives of the participants. The mere fact that a group of D-list celebrities are going to live together in the same house ought to be the first tip off that the show will not actually be about some serious private therapy, but about drama and amping up the ratings in whatever way the producers can think of.

And anyone involved in the show has agreed that their confidentiality can be breached. I'm sure they sign very lengthy contracts that sign away all their rights to any footage and the show's producers and the network that owns the show can pretty much do whatever they want with that footage.

I agree with your sentiments, which is why I am not watching the show. But to me, it's a modern day Barnum and Bailey traveling circus. Most of reality tv is completely staged, and its purpose is mindless entertainment. I originally was sucked into reality tv with the first couple of seasons of Jon & Kate Plus 8 and other shows like Little People, Big World. Now I'm a much wiser viewer and I don't watch reality tv anymore. I'd much rather spend an hour watching an episode of Justified, or White Collar, or Game of Thrones.

Remona Blue said...

Berks Neighbor said... 44
''I watched the episode.
I was actually surprised at how open Jon was about sex. Here's a guy that was denied it (except for special occasions I'm sure) for nearly 10 years. I'm sure he had to find a way to release the 'tension'...........''
''......I'm sure the kids saw how 'unloving' TFW was toward their dad. They live it now. The doors are opened for those kids to talk about this with their dad. They will learn that sex is NOT a joke, it's not a weapon to wield, a favor to withhold if you don't get your way, nor is it something shameful...''
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I agree! I've not re-watched this episode, but I heard Jon say that he ''was GOING to masturbate'' when Liz came in. While watching, I assumed that the therapist proceeded as though Liz caught him in the act in order to address the topic during the group session.

I did like watching Liz red with embarrassment at her behavior when the therapist confronted her about her calling Jon names.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

The patient holds the confidentially privilege. If they want to disclose to the world what they're discussing in therapy they have every right to do so. I may find the show kind of trashy but I don't see that any psychotherapist ethical guidelines have been violated.

Localyocul said...

http://bungledandthebotched.blogspot.com/2014/01/what-hell-is-going-on-with-kate-gosselin.html?spref=tw&m=1

Midnight Madness said...

Think what you will of Miley, she has smarty people advising her, she has talent, she is very professional at work from many accounts, and I think the attention she gets from trekking and outrageous acts is exactly that: very carefully crafted actions designed to get maximum PR.

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Is trekking the same as twerking? LOL! I'm not even sure what twerking is, but I saw online that Dame Helen Mirren did it at a Woman Of The Year event.

I don't agree that Miley is talented, but that's just me. She can't sing worth a darn; but she puts on a show that young teens seem to enjoy. So if it floats their boat...whatever!

Tucker's Mom said...

I just watched the therapy portion of CT on dvr, and it seems that was it as far as Jon and Liz went.
I appreciate that the therapist addressed Liz calling Jon a nasty name and embarrassing him, as well as shaming him. The first is nasty, the second is disrespectful and the third is immature and insecure.
Name calling is never OK. DH and I have never called each other names. I watch shows like Dr. Phil and see these couples living with a person who calls them vile and filthy names, and this is someone who loves you?
Liz's verbal abuse has to stop and Jon probably knows that he deserves better treatment, but it's hard to really "get it" to the core, when he's been abused for so long.

Amanda, Iowa said...

Kate explaining why she doesn't have contact with her parents
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOO_jbPunyY
You need wintergear to watch this ........soooooooo cold!

Mel said...

I don't watch CT, so I am just going on the comments I read here, but I think Liz may not be a good fit for Jon.

I don’t know what to think about Liz. Before CT I thought she seemed ok. Certainly the pics of the kids with the dog said a lot about her good heart. I wanted to like her.

After last week’s episode of CT, I was thinking that I *really* didn’t like her. I didn’t like the name calling/mocking at all.

But after this week’s episode of CT I’m back to liking her again. When the therapist pointed out how demeaning her behavior was, she seemed to take that to heart, seemed to learn from what was being said. It appeared that she didn’t intend to be demeaning, and was perhaps a little horrified at how she sounded.

I kind of wonder if Liz wasn’t set up for the bedroom scenario somehow, and didn’t know how to react. Maybe her default reaction when embarrassed is anger, thus the name calling/mocking. Something to work on. Which maybe she is. Good for her, if so.

I don’t know. It seemed that she tends to lash out when upset, but then settles down and they can talk about it. Jon seemed to understand that about her.

I feel for the guy and hope he ends up in a happy caring relationship

Me, too. I still think that that might be possible with Liz. Time will tell, I guess. She seemed to care about him, seemed to care that she’d hurt his feelings.

Midnight Madness said...

Mel said: "I wonder if Jon’s not a compulsive liar, in the context of when someone approaches him with a lot of emotional energy he’ll lie to avoid their energy."

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If he is, maybe he learned to do this when he was married to Kate. It was either lie, or be exposed to her wrath. In this case, it might have been a defense/survival mechanism.

Berks Neighbor said...

The difference I noted between Liz's reactions when confronted and TFW's responses (on some of her 'worst moments' videos) was that Liz looked like she was responding well to the criticism. She didn't get all defensive and make it Jon's fault. I think she listened well to the therapist and hopefully she was able to learn something from this.

When TFW is confronted she ALWAYS makes it out to be the other person's problem and not hers - even though she was at fault.
Liz on the other hand, when confronted about the language she used toward Jon and being told that calling names is NOT acceptable in a relationship seemed to hit her hard and her reaction was that of someone who seemed to want to do better.


As for the other couple, GhostFace and what's her name. OMG he's a tool! !

*spoiler for those who haven't watched yet*











I would run as far away from him as I could after finding out he's in a long term (2 years so far) relationship with another woman. Why is that spaghetti haired girl with him? She could do so much better.

Remona Blue said...

Anonymous For This Post Please said... 75
''......So if Jon wants to speak the truth in order to exorcise his demons, I say go for it. People need to ignore the format and listen to the message. TFMJG has certainly said enough about Jon on TV, in interviews, via twitter, and thru omission by failing to call off her sheeple when they denigrate him.''
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I agree with every word. Thank you for saving me typing time!

Midnight Madness said...

Millicent said: "While I agree that therapy sessions ought to be something private, I think we here at this blog known that reality tv is all about exploiting the so-called real lives of the participants. The mere fact that a group of D-list celebrities are going to live together in the same house ought to be the first tip off that the show will not actually be about some serious private therapy, but about drama and amping up the ratings in whatever way the producers can think of."

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Exactly. It's a show. It's for ratings. It's for drama. This isn't about "therapy." It's about celebrities getting together for a reality show, under the guise of therapy. I happened upon My Strange Addiction and was horrified at some of the topics there. A guy was having sex with his car and had to tell his father. I watched for a few minutes because I couldn't believe what I was seeing. Are there really weird people like that who are willing to put these addictions out there for everyone to see? Apparently so, and that's their business. But I don't believe for one minute that those people have agreed to appear on those shows to help others see that they aren't alone in whatever addictions they have. They appear there not only to get their faces out there because they like being on television (even if they are depicted as lunatics), but also for the money. If they are told to hype it up, then that's what they do as per their contract. Same with CT.

Over And Out said...

Oh, good grief. This comes from a fan. Does she honestly think that Kate will answer? She's an adult, married, but apparently plays with dolls. Not the brightest sheeple out there!

Cristina Rich ‏@Sienna_Star 39m
@Kateplusmy8 What do u think about your brother in law getting arrested?

Lauren ‏@ljohnson2006 3h
#FF @Kateplusmy8 and some of her amazing fans @MiloandJack @msgoody2shoes21 @Paige_Kate8fan @CrazyforKate @Truth_Teller201. Constant support

"Amazing" Milo? lol! Why does Kate need support? Support to do what? The fans have never explained that. She has a good bra. What more does she need?

From a Local said...

I would say start looking for more of Katie's family to come forward.

Tucker's Mom said...

If he is, maybe he learned to do this when he was married to Kate. It was either lie, or be exposed to her wrath. In this case, it might have been a defense/survival mechanism.
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Yes, it's reflexive.
I think Jon lied about Kate Major because he realized she is batshit crazy.
A good reason to get to know someone before you sleep with them!
I'm not making excuses for Jon, but I can see why he's in the habit of lying. Kate's wrath is still swift and fierce.
Remember, Kate berated Jon when he lied about having lunch in Philly, decrying about a grown man lying to her. But, here's the irony; Jon lied like a child and hid it from Kate because she treated him like a child.
My gawd, Kate's reaction was soooooooooo over the top, "Why am I so unloved?".
DH and I do not judge each other's spending. Neither of us is capricious with money, and certainly wouldn't do a big purchase without consulting, but if I want to go shopping, I go... and he always loves to see what I bought, even if it's not for him or us!
My ex would get angry if I went shopping for me. I was working FT+ PT at the time, while his sorry ass was in school, btw, and he berated me for buying $300 worth of clothing. I was buying for an entire year/season and he just sucked the joy out of my wonderful day- made me feel so bad about myself.
So, yeah, I'm hard on Jon at times, but I SO get him.

njay said...

These are very personal and private things which that NIT WIT should have kept to himself. This is only going to further HUMILIATE the 8:
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These kids are already humiliated enough. I'm sorry, wait, no I'm not. When is someone going to stop criticizing them and step in. Calling their dad a "NIT WIT", whether to their face or online, is humiliating and the same as their peers you are worried about are going to do to them.

I came from a divorced family and humiliated by kids, neighbors etc. It would have meant so much to me to know that my dad cared enough to go to therapy to try to figure out how to have a relationship with his new wife so we could have him in our life. Instead he said to me "I had to deny you kids", once her's came along, "because I already ruined one family and I couldn't ruin another." After he took my mom to court to take us away and lost, he gave up. He felt he had done all he could so he'd make this one work. Well she was so horrible that when her kids grew they used to say to my dad "why didn't you leave mom. She was so cruel to you."

As far as the G8 being teased because their dad went public about sex? Are you kidding me? There is so much they are probably being teased for now, having a crazy like they do, that publicly or not they are probably numb to it by now. The have already developed their method of defense by now. You may not agree, I really don't care. I LIVED IT.

Those kids don't even know what masturbation is. At least the six anyway. And the twins? They will be embarrassed by any thing their parents say and do anyway. They are teenagers. When they are all adults is when things will starting making sense or not. I seriously don't know one adult that I don't think could benefit from therapy and what I see nearly ALWAYS stems from how their parents dealt or didn't know how to deal with them. Whether your an over achiever or lazy or whatever "type" personality your are. If there is not balance then you are screwed up in some way and are affecting your children in some neg, way. Believe me, there are very few that are balanced. Oh, or could it be that it is really me who is screw up. Therefore there is no way I would see that you are the one who is not. Or maybe it is you that is. Who knows. So who are we to say anything about how anyone should do things. With such a critical attitude that is. PERIOD! Be constructive not destructive or else you are no better than them.

While I'm venting, if we knew who Milo was and found a picture of her, where would you post it and what would you say about it? Whether anyone feels she is fair game because of what she's done or not, what gives ANYONE the right to post anything without anyone's permission. PERIOD! There are many haters who I feel deserve to be outed but I would never do it nor condone it because IT IS JUST NOT RIGHT.

Tucker's Mom said...

Regarding that Natalie Morales interview clip- wow, remember when Kate had body fat? Her face looks absolutely ravaged compared to that softer face with nice, healthy hair.
Kate could not have been more obfuscative with Natalie. Each time tho, Natalie countered with a specific question, but Kate just kept on forming words and saying nothing at all.
Kate loves salads.. word salad.

Tucker's Mom said...

But after this week’s episode of CT I’m back to liking her again. When the therapist pointed out how demeaning her behavior was, she seemed to take that to heart, seemed to learn from what was being said. It appeared that she didn’t intend to be demeaning, and was perhaps a little horrified at how she sounded.
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It gave me hope for Jon and Liz. Kate can not sympathize and empathize with anyone but herself. When she embarrassed the hell out of Jon in Toys R Us, Jon told her she treated him like a dog, but the look on Kate's face showed no recognition of Jon's feelings. She just stared at him without being able to process what he said.
It's scary, really, because she reminds me of a sociopath that can only imitate emotions, but not actually feel them.

njay said...

Mel said: "I wonder if Jon’s not a compulsive liar, in the context of when someone approaches him with a lot of emotional energy he’ll lie to avoid their energy."
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Maybe out of embarrassment not compulsion. He admits if he is wrong.

Vanessa said...

The witholding, be it sex, contest winner, cupcakes etc is to exert her power over her victims. She literally "gets off" on it. No need for real sex or intimacy- she's constantly satiated

Blowing In The Wind said...

Those kids don't even know what masturbation is. At least the six anyway.

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I'm not so sure about that. They are almost ten years old. Children "grow up" much faster now than when we were kids. I'd be very surprised if they didn't know.


"While I'm venting, if we knew who Milo was and found a picture of her, where would you post it and what would you say about it? Whether anyone feels she is fair game because of what she's done or not, what gives ANYONE the right to post anything without anyone's permission. PERIOD! There are many haters who I feel deserve to be outed but I would never do it nor condone it because IT IS JUST NOT RIGHT."

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I don't think that anyone condones publishing a picture, a name, an address and other personal information. The fascination (if that's what you call it) is with catfishing...wanting to know if her whole persona is nothing but deception because this is someone in Kate's circle, paid by her "people" to glorify Kate and adore her. That's what makes it intriguing -- to find out if those in Kate's camp or sheeple circle would really go that far in elevating Kate to worship status.

Tucker's Mom said...

I"ve never seen, nor have I met anyone that teases like Kate.
For anyone who follows "celebs" on Twitter etc, do they act as juvenile as Kate?
Sometimes I feel sorry for the sheep. Kate wields things like weapons, including Twitter.
Like the notatestants- aren't they a bit pissed off that they responded, put in time and effort, and Kate is blowing them off?
It's insulting. What does it take for them to stand up for themselves?
Why do they take the abuse?

lukebandit said...

Let's call her crazy, because she is crazy! How about this?

TFCW = The Former Crazy Wife!

The way she looked in the NMorales interview to Savannah Guthrie on the Today Show is night and day. Over processed, leather skin, botoxed, ravaged. Just ravaged.

And she did it all to herself.

Flight of the Kiwi said...

Kate joined in the twitter re: Jon's "size" - even went so far as to say of her conception of the sextuplets "sex had nothing to do with it". I remember thinking nice, just nice. I thought of that during the RV episode when the children were having the back and forth with Jamie's son "You're weird (or whatever the term used), No, you're weird" back and forth until Jamie's son ended it "No, you're weird - and science proves it". Been a very long time since I had heard that verbal sparring game. Never heard it end like that. Thought, maybe, Jamie had clued her son into the nature of the sextuplets conception. Shrug. I dunno.

As for Jon's lying, I don't think he is compulsive, I think he's had a lifetime of being pounced on for every little thing. Remember the episode where Kate had a hissy fit about him lying about a $5 lunch bill? Poor Jon, he knew he was in for it whether he had told her that day or not. So he opted for one tongue lashing when the CC bill arrived as opposed two tongue lashing - one that day and again another when the bill arrived (and you know she would have). Should he have lied? No, but I understand this may be learned reaction. When you're walking on eggshells all the time to begin with, a person has a greater tendency to lie about the little things. Childish, yes. He needs to work on that. Of course, then he was TOLD to lie by TLC. Know wonder the poor guy is messed up.

A comment about Miley - I as well always questioned whether she really could sing. All the auto-tuning makes one wonder. However, I have now heard her in several live acoustic performances and am amazed at what a beautiful voice she actually possess. Her natural vibrato is a gift. I wish the girl would showcase that instead of, what seems to be, a need to shake the Hanna Montana/Disney image. She will when she's comfortable enough that her voice is good enough to stand on it's own.

JR said...

#103....LOL...

MickeyMcKean said...

Berks Neighbor said... 44
I watched the episode.
I was actually surprised at how open Jon was about sex. Here's a guy that was denied it (except for special occasions I'm sure) for nearly 10 years. I'm sure he had to find a way to release the 'tension'.
There is nothing wrong with masturbation, as long as it is not used as a way to avoid relationships. In Jon's case he is NOT using it in that way. I get the distinct impression that he is a very affectionate man, enjoys being close with a woman, etc.
My husband had 'the talk' with our boys around the age of 8 to help them understand that it's not bad. Sex and sexual activity is not to be shamed if it's discussed in a manner of respect.
I can't see what all the hubbub is about. This show is called COUPLES THERAPY. It's not American Idol, it's not a game show. This is REAL conversations about real topics and issues that couples go through.
If Jon was on J&K+8 talking about masturbation then that would have been more shocking as it was a show meant for family. People tune into CT to see what other couples (celebrities in this manner) are going through and how it may relate to them.
I'm sure the kids saw how 'unloving' TFW was toward their dad. They live it now. The doors are opened for those kids to talk about this with their dad. They will learn that sex is NOT a joke, it's not a weapon to wield, a favor to withhold if you don't get your way, nor is it something shameful...

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Well said Berks Neighbor -- on all points.

I also saw the episode and Jon said sex was like a job and the first thing that crossed my mind was that Kate probably put it on a post it note as one of his chores.

My second thought was that she used sex as a way to control Jon. Interesting enough Jon said on CT that he loves sex and the intimacy he has with Liz. After 10 years of a sexless marriage I'm happy for Jon.

As for how Kate got pregnant, my understanding is that the fertility method got her to produce a bunch of eggs at once and the doctor wanted to wait another month, but Kate, with her desire for multiples, went home and had sex with Jon.

localyocul said...

Tucker's Mom said... 100
Regarding that Natalie Morales interview clip- wow, remember when Kate had body fat? Her face looks absolutely ravaged compared to that softer face with nice, healthy hair.
Kate could not have been more obfuscative with Natalie. Each time tho, Natalie countered with a specific question, but Kate just kept on forming words and saying nothing at all.
Kate loves salads.. word salad.
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What clip?

Sara said...

Remember the episode where Kate had a hissy fit about him lying about a $5 lunch bill?
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That was not an episode. It was from Robert's book.

I would just like to say, unless you have followed this from the beginning, it irks me when people get facts wrong. There have been many inconsistenties, so if you are not sure, please phrase it like that.

Thanks. Please don't jump on me.

Sara

Remona Blue said...

lukebandit said... 106
''Let's call her crazy, because she is crazy! How about this?

TFCW = The Former Crazy Wife!''
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I agree that she is crazy. I think that TCFW = The Crazy Former Wife is better. TCFW leaves no wiggle room that she was formerly crazy.

Mel said...

"I wonder if Jon’s not a compulsive liar, in the context of when someone approaches him with a lot of emotional energy he’ll lie to avoid their energy."
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Maybe out of embarrassment not compulsion. He admits if he is wrong.


Yes, embarrassment is a better word than compulsive. I like reflexive, too. I think reflexive is probably the best interpretation of what's happening.

It's an instantaneous body reaction that you don't even have any control over. He doesn't even realize he's doing it, I would imagine.

Having lived with an abuser, I totally understand the body reaction thing. You really have to work on yourself ahead of time so that you don't do that conditioned response. I had to practice it for quite a while, but now when things start I can detach and think rationally how I want to respond, instead of instinctively responding with that cowering attitude.
Now I can remember to draw myself tall and be big, take up space, take time to think out what I want to say. Before I would just instantaneously turn into a quivering mess. And I'd hate myself for it.

Tucker's Mom said...

As for how Kate got pregnant, my understanding is that the fertility method got her to produce a bunch of eggs at once and the doctor wanted to wait another month, but Kate, with her desire for multiples, went home and had sex with Jon.
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Robert's book suggests that it wasn't so much Kate having sex when she shouldn't have, but that she gave herself an additional hormone injection after her IUI.
Robert suggests she bought the hormone from outside the country, under the name Karen Kauffman, I believe, and send it to a P.O. Box she set up.
No wonder the doctor was gobsmacked when he saw 7. At the time of her ultrasound, prior to the IUI, she had 3, maybe 4, follicles.
When you think about it, this looks really, really bad for the fertility doctor. Kate's result, however it came about, is a huge fail for a doctor.
Her pregnancy risk was off the f*cking charts.
I'll be he sighed a HUGE breath of relief when the babies were born without defects. That could have been a major lawsuit.
So, if Kate indeed gave herself an additional injection so that more eggs would be released while she had Jon's viable sperm in her for the next 5-7 days, it's beyond reckless on many levels.

Millicent said...

BerksNeighbor said:
I can't see what all the hubbub is about. This show is called COUPLES THERAPY. It's not American Idol, it's not a game show. This is REAL conversations about real topics and issues that couples go through
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Good comment. I'm not sure why all the upset and outrage over a discussion re masturbation, or his issues re sex, either. If you don't want to hear about the issues that couples go through, whether real or manufactured for this show, don't watch the show. But sex is a big part of any adult romantic relationship (having sex, not having sex, sex being treated as a chore by one or both partners, etc.)

As a parent, I would change the channel if I came into the room and my teen was watching this show. I myself am not watching the show, but more because I avoid reality tv, not because they might discuss their sex lives and issues surrounding that.

Anyway, if a person wants to find fault with Jon, they certainly will. I still can never quite understand how they somehow find Jon and Kate equally bad though. Seriously folks? After all we know about Kate and her cruelty, you still think these two people are "equally bad"? Shaking my head.

lukebandit said...

Wendy Williams just came on. The first thing she mentions when she first comes out while a big picture of TFCW behind on the screen says, Looks like TFCW's family doesn't like her anymore!!!

Then when the audience settled down she was talking about the Super Bowl and was wearing Joe Namath's No. 12 jersey.

WW says TFCW this may be the nail that has finally done you in. haha They showed Kendra and WW said, she doesn't look like a liar! with TFCW's picture above! haha. WW kept dissing TFCW and said at the end KEEP TALKING KENDRA!!! hahaha

WW said that the cousins don't get to see each other and the audience went awwwweeee, loudly!

Millicent said...

Anonymous For This Post Please said... 75
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Thanks for sharing a little bit about your own background and firsthand experience being married to a narcissist. It does sound very dreadful. Am glad you made it through to the other side!

I remind myself from time to time not to get too exercised over posters who are quick to turn on Jon for any reason. It's their perogative not to like him if they so choose. But like you, I am firmly on Team Jon, even though I recognize he has many weaknesses and still needs to continue maturing and gaining wisdom. I believe the reason I'm on his side is because I see that at heart, he is a decent guy and that he truly loves his children. For me, that forgives many faults.

On the other hand, Kate has never loved her children. They are things or possessions to her; to be used to get her what she wants. She never puts them first, and at times, I feel sure she takes pleasure in causing them distress or pain even.

So I'm not going to freak out over Jon being on CT, or disclosing that he masturbates, or for being a guy who has real trouble being single. These are human traits. But I cannot forgive Kate for being heartless and calculating and making her children's lives so miserable.

Lalalalala said...

If someone accused me of masturbating on national TV, I think I'd deny it too. That doesn't make me a pathological liar. That makes me embarrassed. All this masturbating talk is much ado about nothing, in my opinion.

Anonymous said...

Okay, it's okay to masturbate. I wondering if you know you are going to be on a tv show and you are there for couple therapy. You know there are cameras. If he was going to be there for 2 weeks? I think I'd put off masturbating until I got home. Unless did they want this to be in the script or an issue that needed to be addressed as it bothered his girlfriend if he did it a lot at home.
(pn)

Kelly R. said...

I'm not making excuses for Jon, but I can see why he's in the habit of lying. Kate's wrath is still swift and fierce.
Remember, Kate berated Jon when he lied about having lunch in Philly, decrying about a grown man lying to her. But, here's the irony; Jon lied like a child and hid it from Kate because she treated him like a child.
My gawd, Kate's reaction was soooooooooo over the top, "Why am I so unloved?".
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The thing is, though, that was 5(?) years ago and Jon has told us he's had a lot of therapy since. Even with that rabbi Schmuley dude. I just wonder how much time and therapy it will take for him to get it, ya know? I want him 100% healthy mentally to raise his 8 kids. (I know 100% is slight exaggeration but you know what I mean)

Gail said...

Calling their dad a "NIT WIT", whether to their face or online, is humiliating and the same as their peers you are worried about are going to do to them.
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Kate's been called much, much worse. The kids will be fine.



probably being teased for now, having a crazy like they do, that publicly or not they are probably numb to it by now. The have already developed their method of defense by now.
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So they've developed defense mechanisms for the teasing. That means it's ok to pile more on? Teasing about their mom being a diva bitch is one thing, but teasing that your dad is masterbaiting ON TV is quite another.



Those kids don't even know what masturbation is. At least the six anyway
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They do now!



Gail said...

So who are we to say anything about how anyone should do things. With such a critical attitude that is. PERIOD! Be constructive not destructiveI or else you are no better than them.
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Do you criticize Kate? Do you post about how she should do things? I think this is where we are not like sheep. We are able to form our own individual opinions. And some of us don't like what Jon is doing. That's all it is. I think most of us want him to do well but again, everyone says things in different ways.

Snickdog said...

I find it very interesting that two people, supposedly compatible enough to marry, reacted to the entire J&K+8 situation so differently....

Jon seems like a guy who had pretty healthy self-esteem to begin with, and after just a couple years he came to the conclusion that the show was negatively impacting him and his family. He ended up feeling bad about himself for a while after the whole thing was over, especially for putting the kids through it.

On the other hand Kate--a cute (popular?) cheerleader in HS, seems to have very low self-esteem; she saw (and still sees) the show as a positive--she yearns for more and more of it and sees nothing wrong with how it impacted her family; it gave her the attention she's always craved and at a huge level--how many times has she been on national TV? And she's been on how many magazine covers?

Two people, same show, different outcomes...

rainbowsandunicorns said...

TFCW = The Former Crazy Wife!

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That implies that she is still a wife, but was crazy in the past.

rainbowsandunicorns said...

It's insulting. What does it take for them to stand up for themselves?
Why do they take the abuse?

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That's what is so intriguing about the whole cult-like following. It's the sociological/psychological aspect of it that makes it so fascinating.

rainbowsandunicorns said...

shelby ‏@LeaMichele321 5m
@Kateplusmy8 so grown up!!!!!im crying <3
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Get a grip, girl. Cry about the starving children of the world, or abused animals, or victims of violence, but to cry over a picture of one of the tups with a bird in her hair? Sheesh!

Tucker's Mom said...

At almost 10, the boys know what spanking the monkey is! Kate can keep them in matchy-matchy clothes, in booster seats, have them eat off prison plates so no foods touch, and make them drink from cups with lids (that one really irritates me- look at that boys teeth!!), but she can not stop hormones.
Although... she does manipulate hormones. Just sayin'!

Tucker's Mom said...

The Natalie Morales clip is linked in a post above.

Tucker's Mom said...

Jon has had a lot of therapy, but each relationship is unique, so you may need different intervention at different times.
I did professional dog training with all of my dogs. It's not that I don't know how to do basic training, rather, it's that each dog is unique and I needed insight for each dog.

kids first said...

WW had better watch herself! Crazy Woman will dig up dirt on her and sell it to ROL.

Tucker's Mom said...

Oh, and Kate can feed those kids as little as she wants, but they're still going to grow up.
The cute little kids were a draw, not not so much now.

njay said...

I'm not so sure about that. They are almost ten years old. Children "grow up" much faster now than when we were kids. I'd be very surprised if they didn't know.
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Blowing in the wind, I agree that they probably know about it but it is not possible for them to understand the maturity of that word. Their little brains are not developed enough, nor ever could be, to understand and GET what it is about. I don't care if they were a genius that is in college studying medicine. They can't comprehend it on that level.

Just like if your child asked you where baby's come from when they are little. The answer you give depends on their age and comprehension level they are on. If an adult answered that question with all the full explanation, even if they used pictures, to a 3 or 4 year old, it would go completely over their head. Yeah they would remember bits and pieces but ask them to go explain it to their older sibs and there is no way they could. Not with any clarity that is. Now, after their grown, that's when they will remember your explanation. That is when they will feel the most embarrassed. At least then, you are old enough to deal with it better.

rainbowsandunicorns said...

lukebandit, 116...

Uh-oh. Is Wendy next on the "take down the haters" list? Lawsuit time!

Wasn't Kate on Wendy's show about two years ago? But, but, but, Milo says that everyone who meets Kate just loves her! Guess not...

Remona Blue said...

rainbowsandunicorns said... 124
''TFCW = The Former Crazy Wife!
That implies that she is still a wife, but was crazy in the past.''
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I agree, and that is why at #112 I said that it should be:
TCFW = The Crazy Former Wife

Amy2 said...

rainbowsandunicorns said... 125

It's insulting. What does it take for them to stand up for themselves?
Why do they take the abuse?
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That's what is so intriguing about the whole cult-like following. It's the sociological/psychological aspect of it that makes it so fascinating

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My take on the entire saga is that will become a great case study in many different areas; reality show impact on children,..impact on marriage, impact on relationships (family/friends/volunteers/paid employees, impact on finances, impact on viewers perception of reality/non-reality, strangers involement, health and safety of everyone, financially (talent (??) and networks), influencing the natural direction of child's emotional, physical, social, and psychological growth, child labor laws. I could go on and on. Even after the players are out of the picture this will be discussed for years to come.

AuntieAnn said...

Tucker's Mom said... 131

Oh, and Kate can feed those kids as little as she wants, but they're still going to grow up.

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Yes and I think she can stop calling them 'the littles' now and start referring to them as the youngest six or something similar (I know, what am I saying, it's Kate). The littles makes it sound like she's raising sextuplets with dwarfism. They're probably teased about that too.

rainbowsandunicorns said...

Tucker's Mom said... 127
At almost 10, the boys know what spanking the monkey is!

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At age 10, of course they do. Did someone say that if the kids heard about Jon's under-the-sheets activities on CT that they wouldn't know what it was?

sparkle said...

From a Local said... 97
I would say start looking for more of Katie's family to come forward
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I hope so! I'm sure the family is very angry, as they have every right to be. If they do, may I make one suggestion? Anytime someone, anyone, speaks out about Kate, Kate and her fans immediately scream that the person was paid to tell lies. It muddies what the person is trying to say. If no money is exchanged for the article, I would have this fact noted by the author.

njay said...

They do now!
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Serendipity said...

OrangeCrusher1...63 --

"He probably would not even be there if not for all the buttons pushed over and over and over by the biotch ex. Discussing his current, former and future sex lives ad nauseum is also creepy IMO."

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It looks like there are some creepers on here, then! How many sex lives does one person have? Is this like a cat with nine lives? :-) I think Jon has enough on his hands (pun intended) dealing with just one.

njay said...

They do now!
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Oops. I don't know what happened. I meant to say, How do we know that. Were they watching?

it's snowing here said...

As for how Kate got pregnant, my understanding is that the fertility method got her to produce a bunch of eggs at once and the doctor wanted to wait another month, but Kate, with her desire for multiples, went home and had sex with Jon.
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My memory is a little fuzzy, but I recall Robert stating in the book that he had either the actual box the fertility drugs came in, or the receipt...it was one or the other.
And I wonder how Jon felt when he learned he had been tricked?
And what mother in her right mind has more children when her husband is unemployed and they don't have health insurance? and it took special fertility drugs to get pregnant??
She has to be mentally ill.

I bet Jon's first reaction was super-pissed. He stated many times he was happy with just the twins.

Tucker's Mom said...


I hope so! I'm sure the family is very angry, as they have every right to be. If they do, may I make one suggestion? Anytime someone, anyone, speaks out about Kate, Kate and her fans immediately scream that the person was paid to tell lies. It muddies what the person is trying to say. If no money is exchanged for the article, I would have this fact noted by the author.
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I firmly believe that any family member who comes out to speak about Kate's behavior should not get paid!
Expenses like travel and meals etc.? Sure. But do not get paid.

Remona Blue said...

njay said... 132
''.....Just like if your child asked you where baby's come from when they are little. The answer you give depends on their age and comprehension level they are on. If an adult answered that question with all the full explanation, even if they used pictures, to a 3 or 4 year old, it would go completely over their head.''
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You are so right. When my oldest, who was six at the time, was playing outside w/older kids came running in and asked me to ''tell me the truth! Do babies grow inside your stomach?'' When I answered yes, she insisted that can't be true because ''their arms and legs would get all mixed up w/your guts!!'' That led to me explaining how it was possible, but since she was too young to comprehend ''the truth'', went over her head!

getofftwitter said...

Funny how Kate has been avoiding, making a setting things straight statement? No comment about the Law suite, no comment about Jon going for custody, no comment about her sister. But she has tweeted rainbows and BS, acts like nothing happened.
That has got to be amazing to go through life, stirring up shit and then act like everything is normal, like nothing happened. Amazing! LOL
Geez, I wonder what joy juice, she is drinking, or what she been smoking or taking.

gabby2 said...

Does anyone remember the episode where one of the young ones broke something....and Twist Kate went around the house in a RAGE till someone fessed up? Scaring the shit out of all of them.

And what about the missing door handle or something when poor Collin was jumping around scared he would get beating...

God I hate that woman.

njay said...

but teasing that your dad is masterbaiting ON TV is quite another.
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And how do we know this IS happening. Maybe yes. For sure, NO! Unless you have some inside info. then I will apologize.

Tucker's Mom said...

Kate found a dresser knob on the floor and flew into a rage, scaring the poor boys.
It's a fricking knob!!

I will never forget Kate's novel about Globegate. My gosh, I can not imagine the misery those kids suffered over a stupid globe.

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

It muddies what the person is trying to say. If no money is exchanged for the article, I would have this fact noted by the author.

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Sheeple would never believe it. They believe what they want to believe. I'm not even sure that they would understand "no money has exchanged hands."

Tucker's Mom said...

Adding onto my post about Globegate and Knobgate- Kate has been encouraging the kids to rat on one another since they were toddlers.
Disgusting.
Inspector Gadget, my ass. She was little snitches.

Tucker's Mom said...

To further add to my rant ;-)
I bet dollars to donuts that Kate never even paid for any of those things the kids broke!

njay said...


So they've developed defense mechanisms for the teasing. That means it's ok to pile more on? Teasing about their mom being a diva bitch is one thing, but teasing that your dad is masterbaiting ON TV is quite another.

Kate's been called much, much worse. The kids will be fine.
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Ummmm.....Pot, is that you?

I'm done now. No more game. Sorry.

njay said...

At age 10, of course they do. Did someone say that if the kids heard about Jon's under-the-sheets activities on CT that they wouldn't know what it was?
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Yeah, that was me. I just didn't explain myself. I meant didn't know the full maturity of the word. Not just the physical explanation.

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

. I don't care if they were a genius that is in college studying medicine. They can't comprehend it on that level.

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I'm confused (nothing new there). Are you saying that if these kids were med students they wouldn't understand the concept of masturbation?

Jeanne said...

I think the reason the contest has no winners is she is so hurt by the lack of entries. She probably only heard from the most dedicated sheep and maybe not all of them. She has 12 books to give away and 4-7 entries. She wanted to be able to say that just because of her someone saved a life. Instead, someone picked up and gave back the quarter someone else dropped at the grocery store. Because she is hurt, she won't mention the contest ever again. It never happened.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Jodi went on record on that radio show saying she wasn't paid but no they don't believe it.

MamaKnows said...

Kate uses sex to manipulate: she gives it to get what she wants and then takes it away to punish. IMO, of course.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Even if a sheep really did want to participate in her contest she only gave them a few days to do it during the busiest time of year! And to further complicate things she required a photo, which is awkward and possibly not that feasible for some of them. Not everyone had a smartphone. If no one participated it's her own fault.

Ulysses said...

Anyone have a link to the Wendy show where she disses Kate? Preferably a Canadian one? :)

it's snowing here said...

gabby2 said... 146

Does anyone remember the episode where one of the young ones broke something....and Twist Kate went around the house in a RAGE till someone fessed up? Scaring the shit out of all of them.
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wasn't it a dresser knob? Kate went absolutely psycho. Seems that there were also an incident where the kids tore a room apart, there was a hole in the wall, etc...

With a baby monitor, how can a mom not hear such noise?

Flight of the Kiwi said...

Sara, I stand corrected. I have watched this whole mess unfold from the beginning. I meant "episode" as in "incident." When I refer to episodes from the show I'll say, as I did elsewhere in my post "The RV episode" or "The Korean Dinner" episode, "The Bed Shopping" episode, etc. However, I can see how I may have caused confusion.

Sorry to have irked you. I'll be more careful with wording in the future.

Flight of the Kiwi said...

But, but, but Admin - Kate posted pics of her children wading through the entries. Surely you aren't suggesting Kate lied. GASP! (oh, and I know, I know, stop calling you Shirley - HA)

lukebandit said...

gabby2 said...146

Yes, I remember. It was a knob off one of the dresser drawers and she went bat stuff crazy just like lovey bear gate. That little boy was so scared and stressed out his only outlet was to dance. The sheeple love that part that he was just goofing off and dancing!

They don't admit TFCW was about to beat him with the wooden spoon or severely punish him in another way all because of a knob that could be easily put back on.

lukebandit said...

I have been thinking about Milo's twitter name. Fired Up For Kate. Has anybody really thought about the initials and what they might mean?

I think it means Blank U From Kate and Milo is TFCW!

But I could be wrong, who knows. Kristen Bell has now named the paparazzi that take pictures of their children pedorazzi. And calling for a boycott of tabloids that print pictures of their children. Her and her husband were in tears talking about it.

Then they showed Jennifer Garner speaking somewhere about it and she was crying and breaking down.

If I were Kendra and Jeff, they need to sue ROL for printing that picture of their children. I really believe that either TFCW got it from a Christmas card or FB was hijacked and either she did it and got all the money or got a minion to do it for her for a small cut of the money.



sparkle said...

it's snowing here said... 142
As for how Kate got pregnant, my understanding is that the fertility method got her to produce a bunch of eggs at once and the doctor wanted to wait another month, but Kate, with her desire for multiples, went home and had sex with Jon.
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My memory is a little fuzzy, but I recall Robert stating in the book that he had either the actual box the fertility drugs came in, or the receipt...it was one or the other.
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Kate's Dr. she used with the twins actually and ethically wanted to give Kate "the just one more" Kate always lies about. That Dr. wanted to do a single IVF transfer. Kate left that Dr. and found another one who would do the IUI she wanted. Robert implies he has the packaging for the HCG in his possesion.

He also points out that creepily, Bobbi Macaughey's firstborn child was Alexis and her last born was Joel. Kate's firstborn was Alexis and last born was Joel. Really?

Tucker's Mom said...

Seems that there were also an incident where the kids tore a room apart, there was a hole in the wall, etc...

With a baby monitor, how can a mom not hear such noise?
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I don't recall seeing a baby monitor at the Etown house.
The kids would pull down furniture- tip it over, and dumb dumb never though "Hey, maybe I should secure things like furniture and tv's".
It's also beyond my comprehension why they never had closed circuit tv to monitor the kids.

Sue said...

I think it means Blank U From Kate and Milo is TFCW

Am I dense? I don't get it Lukebandid

Anonymous said...

sparkle said... 165

He also points out that creepily, Bobbi Macaughey's firstborn child was Alexis and her last born was Joel. Kate's firstborn was Alexis and last born was Joel. Really?

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But Bobbi had 7, count 'em, 7 at one time. Kreider only managed 6. Big whoop. ;)

PJ

Gabby2 said...

Yes, Globegate and dresser knob.

Collin jumping up and down reminded me of when my step father use to beat us with belt and we would jump up and down to right to avoid the lash. How entertaining for the sheepe.

AND this was with camera's rolling, heaven knows what she did to them behind closed doors.

Even Jon admitted on camera Kate disciplined too harshly. Poor boys were even afraid to play in grass for fear of grass stains. Or get dirty on themselves.

Twisted has shamed, berated, demeaned her boys from day one.

"Icky boys".........................Lord of the Flies in that home.

Good mother milo??? Sell out!

Photos of kids in public almost always show scared sad children.

it's snowing here said...

It's also beyond my comprehension why they never had closed circuit tv to monitor the kids.
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maybe it was on their 'need list' on their website and it didn't appear on their front porch.
LOL

Lalalalala said...

http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2014/01/christie-brinkleys-ex-husband-peter-cook-blasts-people-interview-gross-exaggerations-self-serving-dishonesty/

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This could almost be like a letter Jon could write to Kate. Strange similarities.

AuntieAnn said...

(oh, and I know, I know, stop calling you Shirley - HA)

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Kiwi - haha! loved that line from Leslie Neilson. And don't call me Shirley. Common joke in our house.

Wowser said...

Yes....Bobby had 7 and TFW only had 6 which is why she reminds everyone about the blighted ovum named Hope because she really had 7 JUST like Bobby.

NJGal51 said...

I agree with Remona. TCFW = The CRAZY Former Wife. If you say The Former Crazy Wife one could say that she was formerly crazy but isn't any more.

As far as the masturbation goes, as I've said before, who cares. I listen to Howard Stern (listening to the birthday bash right now) and masturbation is a common topic. Many "A" list stars have discussed it with him. As far as the boys go? I hope that in the coming years they get plenty of alone time in the bathroom so that they can take a nice long "shower". My son took many, many "showers" back in the day!

As far as the kids using cups with lids? I can't say anything about that because I tend to be a bit of a slob at times so, well, take a look at my new icon.

Blowing In The Wind said...

This could almost be like a letter Jon could write to Kate. Strange similarities.

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I just read that, Lala, and was going to post the same thing! I've always liked Christie, though, and hoped that she and Billy would get back together, but alas, I guess it's just not meant to be.

Blowing In The Wind said...

I think it means Blank U From Kate and Milo is TFCW

Am I dense? I don't get it Lukebandid

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I had to think about it, too, Sue, but I think Luke means that Fired Up For Kate is FUFK (bleep You FROM Kate)...therefore Milo is really Kate.

Rearranging the Deck Chairs on the Titanic said...

To Lalalalala (#171): You are so right! I see the similarities too. Seems that the ex-husband, Peter Cook, has to deal with quite the narcissist in Christie Brinkley. Christie always seemed to be so fake and phony and dying for attention at any cost, just like Khate.

Blowing In The Wind said...

Ulysses said... 159
Anyone have a link to the Wendy show where she disses Kate? Preferably a Canadian one? :)

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Is there something like a Canadian dissing as opposed to a US dissing? Do they diss differently in Canada? Auntie Ann would know! :)

lukebandit said...

Sue, the initials are FUFK. Fired Up For Kate.

F U F(from) K(kate)

Remember the shirt Natalie Maynes? from the Dixie Chicks had on at a concert when the Dixie Chicks were at war with Toby Keith?

Natalie's shirt said in big letters FUTK, which meant F U T (Toby) K (Keith)

Hope this explanation helps!

Layla said...

Regarding Jon's sex life with Kate, she is obviously not at all comfortable with physical or emotional intimacy. Remember on the show when Jon said there was a lot of love in the house, and she slapped him? Or when he would get too close, physically, she would hit. She is not comfortable with affection. That is why I don't think she and Steve are a couple. I don't think she is capable of that kind of relationship, even though I think she has always had feelings for him.

As far as her scheming to get pregnant with HOMs, I think she planned that for a very long time. She was obsessed with Bobbi McCaughey's 7, and probably wanted the things that Bobbi's family got for free--a huge house, a big van, etc. She thought she could get the same, and had both the big house and the big van on her "wish list". She probably didn't care that Jon was unemployed. She thought they'd be given a house, van, baby items, money, etc, and they wouldn't have to work for anything. And she also planned to get famous by marketing her kids before they were even born. She was going to be given everything she wanted, and get fame and fortune too. She had it all planned out. When her first round of fertility treatments only produced twins, she immediately planned to try again. It took some time to talk Jon into it, but once she did, she knew that he wouldn't agree to a third pregnancy. She had to make this one produce HOMs--the more the better. She shopped for the right doctor, ordered additional fertility drugs from Canada, and set her plan in motion. And it worked.

The only thing she didn't plan on was ending up unemployed, alone, and with no gullible people to support her and her kids.

MickeyMcKean said...

rainbowsandunicorns said... 133
lukebandit, 116...

Wasn't Kate on Wendy's show about two years ago? But, but, but, Milo says that everyone who meets Kate just loves her! Guess not...

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When Kate was on the WW show ITA that WW treated Kate with kid gloves and only asked her soft questions (but WW did ask Kate about Steve). At the time I figured WW was being nice since Kate was now a single mom trying to raise 8 kids.

Fast forward to the recent WW's interview of Jon and WW has had a change of heart as to what Gosselin she likes. Part of it was because her dance partner on DWTS was Tony who told WW some behind the scenes stories.

If anyone wants to do some research, I'm curious when WW interviewed Kate -- wasn't this before WW did DWTS?

Blowing In The Wind said...

You are so right! I see the similarities too. Seems that the ex-husband, Peter Cook, has to deal with quite the narcissist in Christie Brinkley.

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If you look at his philandering history, I don't think Peter Cook was such a prize!

Blowing In The Wind said...

As far as the masturbation goes, as I've said before, who cares. I listen to Howard Stern (listening to the birthday bash right now) and masturbation is a common topic. Many "A" list stars have discussed it with him. As far as the boys go? I hope that in the coming years they get plenty of alone time in the bathroom so that they can take a nice long "shower". My son took many, many "showers" back in the day!

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The Roseanne episode that deals that topic (DJ and his one free hand) is hysterical. Looking back, it's surprising that episode wasn't scrapped...really pushing the limit at that time for prime-time television.

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

Mickey McKean-

Kate was on WW 89/12/11

http://www.wendyshow.com/2011/09/12/a-gift-for-kate/#.UuxKtvldWjk

NJGal51 said...

In fact Sara Silverman and Natalie Maines just sang about masturbation (among other things). A LOL song for all Stern fans.

Blowing In The Wind said...

If anyone wants to do some research, I'm curious when WW interviewed Kate -- wasn't this before WW did DWTS?

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Kate on Wendy...

http://www.wendyshow.com/2011/09/12/a-gift-for-kate/#.UuxL2_RDu0U

Dancing with the Stars was in 2010, so she was on Wendy after she did DWTS.

Thelma said...

Masterbation might be 'normal' but it's NOT normal to talk about on television! What has society come to??

Out of all '20 shows' that asked Jon to participate in, he chooses one where he tells the world about his sex habits??

Both Jon and Kate can kiss my freezing cold butt. Neither one can sacrifice a few years and be a freaking parent.

Tucker's Mom said...

Peter Cook is a diagnosed narc. Here's an interesting blog post about Christy's horrific interview with Matt Lauer. I watched it that day and couldn't believe how he was nailing her with mean questions.

http://onemomsbattle.com/2012/03/28/the-today-show-narcissism-has-a-poster-child-named-peter-cook/

MickeyMcKean said...

Three days ago on THE TALK the subject topic was what to do if a family member or friend was selling stories about you to the tabloids. It seems that Jude Law just found out in a court of law that a family member had sold info on him/Sienna Miller a few years back.

Sharon O said that her own brother has sold 4 stories at $100,000 (pounds) and what she has done is to eliminate her brother from her life, as well as anyone who is friends with him. She also has posted on her FB page that she has nothing to do with him.

In regards to Kate, her sister is saying that they have had no contact with her for 6 years and that Kate has no contact with her other siblings and parents either.

As for her BIL being a story on ROL, I agree that it smacks of Kate BUT if Kate has nothing to do with her family and she herself initiated the split, Kate may not even be aware of what is happening with any of her family, besides, I doubt she is expecting to see her BIL being arrested in the local paper (does she even read the paper? I thought that she does not keep up with current events LOL)

So if it was not Kate, my best guess as to who would go fishing for negative info online, anything to squash Kendra's comments, would be a certain sheeple that has been known to discredit people - including calling employers to try to get them fired - if they dare to take off their rose colored glasses and see Kate as the person she truly is.

Tucker's Mom said...

Peter Cook is a male Kate Gosselin.

Blowing In The Wind said...

I had to laugh at this headline...

"Jon Gosselin reveals he got a vasectomy on The Wendy Williams Show"

Talk about misplaced modifiers! lol! Did Wendy watch or participate in the procedure?

Tucker's Mom said...

http://onemomsbattle.com/

Seriously, check this blog out! Maybe Admin can send it to Jon ;-)

KW said...

I just found this blog and this writer is a riot! Sorry if someone has already shared it.
http://bungledandthebotched.blogspot.com/2014/01/what-hell-is-going-on-with-kate-gosselin.html
Posts are under "The Gosselins".

Sherry Baby said...

Milo tweeted:

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack 17m
@Kateplusmy8 A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it annoys enough people to make it worth the effort. ~H. Albright :)

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So Milo enjoys annoying people? So far she's been successful! Moreover, she's always telling Kate to have a positive attitude. I guess she's encouraging Kate to be more annoying than she already is!

What a doofus. Does she even understand these platitudes before she tweets them?

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Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...


Masterbation might be 'normal' but it's NOT normal to talk about on television! What has society come to??

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I'm not sure I agree with such a broad statement about masturbation. Why can't we discuss something normal, natural and harmless?

It used to be we were forbidden from talking about pregnancy. Then we were forbidden from talking about bathroom issues. Then we were forbidden from talking about sex and STDs and AIDS. Alfred Hitchock used to fight the censorship board about simply showing a toilet in the bathroom.

We are more open about lots of things now, we discuss all those things without shame, and it hasn't caused the downfall of civilization yet.

If someone is not comfortable with talking about such things themselves, that's their right. But I don' think it's fair to say other people shouldn't talk about them if they want to.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

but it annoys enough people to make it worth the effort

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Really, who would be annoyed by that? I'm not annoyed by positive people, I'm usually one of them!

I am annoyed though about people who are trite or refuse to self reflect.

Sherry Baby said...

It used to be we were forbidden from talking about pregnancy. Then we were forbidden from talking about bathroom issues. Then we were forbidden from talking about sex and STDs and AIDS. Alfred Hitchock used to fight the censorship board about simply showing a toilet in the bathroom.

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I remember my mother telling me that when Elvis made his debut on Ed Sullivan, the cameras were only allowed to show him from the waist up because he shook his hips too much.

The years have certainly changed things, with pop stars twerking and networks not batting an eye over airing the most suggestive gyrations.

MickeyMcKean said...

Blowing In The Wind said... 186
If anyone wants to do some research, I'm curious when WW interviewed Kate -- wasn't this before WW did DWTS?

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Kate on Wendy...

http://www.wendyshow.com/2011/09/12/a-gift-for-kate/#.UuxL2_RDu0U

Dancing with the Stars was in 2010, so she was on Wendy after she did DWTS.

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To summarize:

Kate was on DWTS in 2010
WW was on DWTS spring 2011
WW interviewed Kate September 2011

So I was wrong ... I assumed WW interviewed Kate BEFORE she was on DWTS and had Tony as a partner who told WW some things.

Soooo ... perhaps another reason WW gave Kate such a soft interview could be because she did not want to rile up the network bosses in "attacking" a single divorced unemployed mother of 8.

Not that it really matters now that Jon is no longer muzzled and will answer any questions when asked. It is obvious what side WW is on these days.

Tucker's Mom said...

http://www.amazon.com/Divorcing-Narcissist-One-Moms-Battle/dp/0615720552/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

Here's a link to the book that the above blogger wrote: Divorcing A Narcissist: One Mom's Battle.
She details her harrowing experience with the court system. She's a woman and the mom, so I can't imagine the uphill battle Jon has been fighting!

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