http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2010/12/exclusive-kate-lied-gosselin-kids-were-expelled-school-after-hurting-adult
Not that we didn't already know this, but all of Radar's sources says this was no "mutual" decision. One of the children was physical with a teacher.
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Yes. That's what I posted earlier. However, how could she say that the kids are exploited and still be a Kate supporter? How could you support an exploiter? It doesn't make sense.
Off-topic, but TLC is airing a special about the McCaughey septuplets, "America's Septuplets Turn 13", on Dec. 28th.
TLC Description:
Ann Curry gives viewers an inside look at the struggles, challenges and triumphs of the McCaugheys, America's first surviving set of septuplets as they celebrate a milestone turning 13.
Isn't this the family that Kate read about and wanted to emulate with her own set of high-order multiples?
To all the doubters here, regarding anon on this, and the theories floating around. This person knew specific information about the court case, a new network, and the problems at school. To me, that points to someone who has seen, typed or heard specific details of depositions or briefs. That's why I believe it's someone from a lawyer's office, or friend of a court reporter. How would this person be found out? It could be any one of a number of people from either side of the case, or a friend or spouse of someone involved who is just disgusted enough to get this info out.
No one at school would know about the network deal unless Kate blurted it out that they were leaving soon anyway because she was going to greener pastures.
Do you know how many parents are milling around at any school on a daily basis, signing in to work in a classroom, signing their kids out for an appt? I'm sure there were many people who heard Kate's tantrums, even with the doors shut tight. I've personally witnessed one very disturbed child fighting off a teacher who was trying to take him to the office. It was ugly and obvious he came from a wretched home based on what I know about the family. BTW, his parents were told he could not come back. Whether they used the word "expelled" is a moot point.
You people who are so disgusted with our conversation or our suppositions, because that's all this is, why not go to BM's site? I don't go over there and harrass her. She's free to be delusional. If we're so off base, we are also free to be delusional, but we're not. That's what has you so upset.
Meanwhile, I'm awaiting the perp walk and orange jumpsuit. Santa, don't let me down!
BTW, doubters, during the summer my home is the neighborhood hang-out in the evenings. The kids swim and the parents chat on my deck. Those neighbors include two family law attorneys, a court reporter, and two teachers from my kids' private school. It's amazing what you hear when people have had a traumatizing week, have a couple of drinks, and need to vent. Do you think lawyers and teachers don't get emotionally involved and need to talk? No names mentioned, ever. But it's not hard to put two and two together. I can imagine it's very easy to figure it out in Gosselinland. And I am not talking about the Gosselins myself. I don't live in PA. But I totally see it happening.
And the real or fake Charlene Kreider has never been involved here. She's a sheeple. Who on this blog has been outed as a phony? I've watched anon on this be vindicated on everything she said. Point out where she's been wrong.
This from Werny Gal and she is credible:
I can speak with authority that it is not Jon or Ellen selling the stories and it is not Jon or Ellen on other blogs telling stories. I would also advise not believing the comments left on other blogs by a person supposedly close to the situation. Unless you actually hear it from Jon or Ellen, don't believe it.
Gullible Much? said... "If the self-proclaimed insider works for an attorney involved in the case, the person should be fired immediately."
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I agree. If the self-proclaimed insider is a "friend" of someone who works for an attorney, I would hope that this attorney would discover this breach of confidentiality and take matters into his/her own hands.
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Anon on This, I'm guessing this is the kind of coal raking you were talking about. Please don't give in and stop posting here, that is exactly what some people want. Believe me, no one is safe from the wrath of the sheeple when 1st person accounts or inside info is revealed. A Huffington Post reporter on vacation in Bald Head NC the same time as the Gosselins reported on how completely unrealistic that "reality" show actually was. The sheeple went on a literal witch hunt, trying to discredit the reporter. As others have said, your information has been credible. Please keep doing what you are doing and continue to be a voice for 8 voiceless children.
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Mark my words, the next card TLC plays is going to be the redemption card.
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Sadly, I think you are right. She actually did this last year. Got a new do, did DWTS. And then re-branded herself as "Can Do Kate" as did her summer 'specials' (all by herself - oh and with her staff) with the kids that lasted into the school year. We all found out tho, that "Can Do Kate" actually couldn't, wouldn't and shouldn't. (in regards to everything from her clothing choices, trip planning, and parenting.
Those kids need to be off TV NOW! !
For once, I found myself getting irritated when reading some of the above posts. Is the issue really who is leaking what here? No! The issue is the children, it has always been about their welfare. Let's not shoot the messenger here.
Oprah Winfrey's new channel is part of the Discovery stable
http://www.oprah.com/pressroom/Oprah-and-Discovery-Communications-Announce-OWN-The-Oprah-W
So if Khate was in talks with them that would not have been a problem for TLC. Probably was being seen as a huge draw and crossover.
I saw this way back when Barbara Waltes was singing Khate's praises and having her on the View. Baba is a long term friend of Oprahs and has several business deals going with her.
Neither cared about the truth of Khate or the 8. All they cared about was ratings and at that point Khate was ratings gold.
However, the Palin show gave away too much of the real Khate and what a loose cannon she truly is. Now that she isn't riding high, her former media friends will quickly abandon her. Such is fame.
I'll be enjoying the karma.
"I worship Kate Gosselin, she is the bestest mom ever!
People who don't like Kate are rediculous.
I know I look like porky pig, but I still want to dress like Kate. I need plus size clothes though, and a bag to put over my ugly mug."
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I'm guess that is not a real comment, but something posted to make fun of the Kate fans.
From Werneygirls site:
"I can speak with authority that it is not Jon or Ellen selling the stories and it is not Jon or Ellen on other blogs telling stories. I would also advise not believing the comments left on other blogs by a person supposedly close to the situation. Unless you actually hear it from Jon or Ellen, don't believe it"
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And now we're supposed to take Jon Gosselin on his word? Wait, a year or so back, Jon claimed he never took money from Kate's account. Then he ended up paying the money back. Before that Jon said his show was as real as reality gets. Then Jon told the camera's during his divorce that the kids LOVE being on television. Then Jon said, he's turned his life around and we see pictures of him with Vegas show girls and the stories of his threesomes in the hotel rooms. Then Jon takes his kids of tv and relents to TLC and puts them back on while he collects a residual check from TLC. Then Jon tells the world that his kids need to be off TV but allows his girlfriend to blog about the situation. Nothing Jon says is credible. Thankfully, he's not in the public eye any longer but I strongly suspect that he still remains behind the scenes looking for another ship to come in. He's no more credible than Kate and soon, you'll see the release of his tell all book to garner cash, revenge and keep his name in the press. Don't believe anything Jon or Kate tells you. Believe those who have inside information because they have nothing to gain.
About Kate filming next summer (sorry I don't know who posted it), I really don't think it will happen. The kids are getting older now. I'm sure they are telling Jon that they've had it. They're exhausted & troubled. Not only that, Kate has dug herself quite a hole here. Nobody wants to touch her with a 100 foot pole. I am curious to know why she is in LA. Does it have anything to do with this rescinded offer about moving networks? People are waking up to her antics, producers are seeing that she is using her kids to further her own agenda. I am sure that with all the media scrutiny about Sarah Palin's show, people saw what a whiny little brat Kate was, & how she treated her own children.
With all of these new articles surfacing about her children being violent, her kids wanting to move in with Jon, (true or not), if Kate has a career in 6 months I would be surprised. IMO, her next step is going to be going on a stupid talk show & "clearing the air" once again. How dumb! And she is going to bury herself, yet again with her lies & deceit. She can't help herself. She NEEDS to be in the spotlight. But this time my friends, it will be the end all, be all. She will f**k herself so badly, there will be no way to get out. This is just what I think of course. IMO, TLC wants her to screw up so they can drop her. She's too much trouble for what's she worth. And they see the kids anguish. But watch! Kate will turn this ALL around & blame TLC for all this & look like the martyr, but it will be too late, & no one will buy it. She has lied too many times, & TLC has high-powered PR/attorneys, who will rake Kate over the coals, & proof of the abuse she inflicted on those kids. Kate has no more legs to stand on. (sorry for the long post) :)
Maybe anon. is a former employee of Kate's?
Lots of nannies have floated in and out and just because they signed a confidentiality clause doesn't stop a friend from speculating.
I don't think we should just blindly believe what Jon says anymore than we should blindly believe what Kate says. I think each situation should be judged independently and that it's fine to have a healthy skepticism about things, and it's also fine to make reasonable conclusions based on the evidence even if you can't be 100% sure. In life nothing is 100% anyway.
When people say only trust it if it comes from so-and-so, it reminds me of what people say who are in charge of propaganda.
Just be discerning as most people here already are.
Kate Gosselin! The Redemption Tour! Now at churches everywhere! Listen to Kate describe her nightmarish ordeals of living with that dastardly Jon, those ungrateful kids, her former family and friends who didn't know how to help her. Hear how she climbed from the abyss of hell to the mountaintop of glory, praise be! Bring money and ignore the gray-haired man hiding in the corner.
And we should trust what Jon says because why??? Wasn't he part of the fleecing of the congregations on their nationwide tour where they passed the plate for love offerings? Didn't he partake in the scam to sell pictures for cash only? He was part of the problem with allowing the kids on television and caved to the network when they forced his hand, his kids be damned. Wasn't he out of work, living off a TLC check for the past two years that his kids earned and he didn't?
Now, all of a sudden, we're supposed to hang on to his tweets, his girlfriends blog and his public statements as gospel? Sorry, he's as bad as kate and the damage the two of these grifters have done to their children is beyond words. I'll trust what any credible anonymous source says about the two of these horrendous people over anything J&K ever say.
Don't ever believe that a picture is worth a thousand words. We've all seen the arranged Pap shoots that Kate takes part in to try to show the media and the world that she's a hand's on mom and totally in control. She isn't, never was and never will be. The two of them are liars in their own right. Each of them worse than the other and none of them cornering the market on their fabrications.
Some of the posts here are truly funny! Thank you for putting in a little humor in a truly sickening story. It will not end well. If we have studied the Dionne Quint story and learned anything, boy is there a bigger study coming about the Gosselin mess. I'm a mother and grandmother and I would be doing everything possible to help the children thrive in school. They need socialization, not isolation. Their mother is not helping them by keeping them holed up at the compound. Exploitation is not the only thing she is doing to those kids. And yes, I can hardly wait for her next "greedy grifter" tour of churches and benevolent organizations.
As far as the school taking them back IF they mature and get the psychological help they need...if the appropriate counselors could show the school that the two were indeed "ready" I can see the school being accommodating ONLY because the other 6 a still attending. I do not see it being a tuition $$$s issue. Most, if not all, private schools have long waiting lists, hence other children could fill those "tuition" spots. It's just thought. I attended private school in HS and one of my classmates went over the edge and had to be "withdrawn" and actually was admitted to a mental health facility. She returned a week before graduation ONLY because her parents presented a doctors evalutaion of her progress AND suggestion she return to her "known environment". She graduated with us, then returned to to the facility for another six months. Yes, there was violence in her behavior. She had been one of the most popular kids in the class. THAT was extreme. With the two we are talking Kindergartners, I would think much easier to reintegrate, shrug.
I have some experience with celebrity. My sil's younger brother is in a band that hit it big with tweens, teens and young twenties set about 3 years ago. If any of you have daughters in this age group you probably would know of the band were I to name them. They are on their third album and continue to be HUGE in Asia for some reason - LOL, but there bodyguards are absolutely necessary for their safety. They made a movie that debuted at the Tribeca Film Festival and was recently shown on The Family Channel (I think that's the name, the one that often shows old TV shows) on cable. The band also appears on a very, very, very popular Nickelodeon show you mom's of tweens and teen would definitely know - my 10 year old grandson is an avid viewer - as the backup band for the young star. I attended several of their shows and was backstage at the meet and greet...unbelievable. The young fans were polite, giggly and every so grateful that their "fave" gave them a few seconds of personal time and an autograph. Some of the Moms however - I was embarrassed for them. They raised their shirts or dropped their pants and asked for a skin autograph (the guys said no) My daughter's in-laws, the parents of my sil's brother were present for Heaven's sake. Some these women were in their 40's. These guys were 25/26 at the time.
While I believe these women are definitely in a minority, it gives credence to those who believe that people go gaga over celebrities. These guys are the nicest young men, especially my sil's brother. They did not and do make that much money - freshmen/sophomore album bands rarely do, touring brings in the most bucks. My sil's brother makes more from his side projects (non-music). They are far from millionaires. Just good looking young men who sing and play instruments. But I'm telling you ALL of them have handled their celebrity unbelievably graciously. Not like what's her name K.G. She is NOT a celebrity in my book. At most, a Reality TV personality that is recognized. Period.
If 25 year olds can keep their cool with screaming, adoring fans, groupies of all ages throwing themselves at them, I don't see why a 35/36 year old whose only claim to fame is having sextuplets and a messy divorce that played out on national TV cannot - got to be that mental thing.
I agree with Admin, for the guys it was cool in the beginning, then, to remain true to themselves and their passion, they chucked the cookie-cutter plans and manipulations of the record company executives, to write their own music (they all have degrees from a well-known music college). None of this has gone to their heads like it has hers (I refuse to type her name). Sorry for the long post, just had to vent.
Their mother is not helping them by keeping them holed up at the compound.
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What's she supposed to do with them if they are not permitted to attend school?
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And we should trust what Jon says because why??? Wasn't he part of the fleecing of the congregations on their nationwide tour where they passed the plate for love offerings?
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Apparently you don't believe in redemption, but dwell on past mistakes. That's too bad. What a sad world this would be if we all were judged solely by mistakes we've made in years gone by. He's already admitted he was wrong, and it's time to move on.
"As others have said, your information has been credible."
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You're kidding, right? Please provide proof as to established credibility.
"Please don't give in and stop posting here, that is exactly what some people want."
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No. That is not what some people want. What some people want is some kind of credibility -- so far, an insider has not confirmed this. I'm not sure what it takes for some guillible people to see that NOTHING that has been posted by this person has not been said before in tabloids or other magazines. It's all generic, nothing we couldn't have figured out on our own because we've seen Kate's behavior with our own eyes.
When an insider says that they can't comment until an issue has been made public, doesn't that tell you something? When it's made public, then it's no longer insider information.
I'm not sure who Werny was referring to when she mentioned not to believe an insider who is posting on various blogs, but I would believe that she also doubts credibility of some of these "insiders."
Oh, and by the way, an insider has said that she believes Kate is medicating her kids with Benedryl. This is OPINION, not fact. How credible is that? Do we always take opinion as gospel, coming from a "credible" source? Come on, it's nothing but speculation.
Moose Mania said:
Apparently you don't believe in redemption, but dwell on past mistakes. That's too bad. What a sad world this would be if we all were judged solely by mistakes we've made in years gone by.
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Fleecing people of money they worked hard for and gave out of the goodness of their hearts to a couple of con artists who went on a speaking circuit to take their money under the guise of hardships is nothing short of theft, Grand Theft in most states.
Forgivness isn't mine to give but those who were conned can certainly do so. If he seeks redemption then give back the money he and his wife, in bad faith, took from those who gave in good faith and then perhaps he can begin to feel redemption.
Gullible ... perfect anonymous name for someone who seems duped by the kHATE brand.
I find it laughable you seem to believe anything out of kHATE's plastic pie hole yet are skeptical of anything negative you read. Obviously a blog post on the internet could say anything - but it's funny that even with a camera rolling kHATE continues to lie herself every time the gum chewing mouth is agape.
Why are you not questioning your hero?
Moose Mania said...
Their mother is not helping them by keeping them holed up at the compound.
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What's she supposed to do with them if they are not permitted to attend school?
With the ok of their therapist (providing they have one) I'd suggest another private school or heaven forbid - public school.
Kelly, I agree with you about the theft aspect, but Jon doesn't appear to have access to amy of the money to give back.
It was reported that she gave him a $5 allowance, while he was working to support her many wants, along with his father who Kate fleeced while ill. Kate even had Jon's father on lunch duty (to bring her lunch) while she was taking his money, his son's money, the churchgoers on her parent's side money, government aid (food stamps, medicaid and nurse for a full year), freebies, time and energy of countless volunteers. She sucked everyone around her dry, and while Jon was involved, he doesn't seem to have reaped any of those benefits and was at least partially caught up in a cycle of abuse.
Jon did love his father and does have the capacity to love, and while he can't be absolved of his involvement, it seems to me that Kate was the ringleader and he may not have been privy to all of her agenda.
When Jon took out that money from the bank, it seemed like he did it to pay the Hellers, who also ended up fleecing him. He said he felt that he was taking out his salary. He never should have trusted Hailey or the Hellers, but given that Kate controlled the purse strings throughout the marriage, he may not be as involved with the church fleecing as she was. She might have convinced him it was all for the kids, which was all a lie. There were several times Kate cried poor on camera and he looked at her like she was crazy.
Kathy,
While I agree with you on some parts of your post, Jon went willingly from the outset by appearing with Kate in front of countless church groups telling them the lie that he was let go from his job because his employer didn't want to pay the health insurance. The collection plate went around the room at mach 1 speed. Truth is, Jon was fired because he was misusing company time by posting a wish list on the internet and fishing for freebies.
Then Jon and Kate sat on other stages pleading with the parishoners for a cash infusion because they didn't know how to support 8 little mouths and clothe 8 little bodies. The collection plate increased speed. The lies that the two of them perpetrated were benign compared to the willingness they showed in taking anything and everything and then having the audacity to hold flea market sales with the freebies and keeping the money. Both he and Kate never ONCE gave back.
Jon used his ill gotten wealth in his own selfish ways. He purchased a Nissan 360Z Nizzmo, a two seater sports car, for a family that needs 10 seats. If that wasn't enough, he traded that in 10 months later for a used BMW M3, a high performance car that every dad of 8 kids shouldn't be without. Adding insult to injury, he needed another set of high profile wheels and went out and purchased a Mercedes SUV so he could have a set of wheels to drive during the week and a sports car during the weekend.
His self serving purchases go right up there on the tree of greed as do Kates. Neither is blameless. Just because one didn't spend as much as the other doesn't absolve either of guilt anymore than the getaway driver is less guilty than the actual bank robber. I don't give a clowns nut if either of them are sorry. They didn't get a penny from me. I would just see it as a true admission of guilt and a strong sense of making ammends that they give back what they took under false pretense and they both went away, never to appear in a public profile again until their obituary is printed a long time from now.
What is galling is to see people like this get a free pass from the press and the media and nothing ever happens to them. I said it two years ago that there kids were spoiled brats that were taught nothing but entitlement, showed nothing but aggression towards each other and will grow up having to deal with far more serious issues with far worse results than we are seeing today, all because their parents wanted fame, fortune, notoriety and the easy life without having to work for it. There kids did it all for them. Shame on the two of them and their lies.
While I'm not blindly defending Jon, I do think that If Kate were a man and Jon were a woman, people wouldn't be quite so hard on Jon for going along with his spouse or buying one or two luxury items after ten years of abuse and hard labor during which he lost a cherished parent who died supporting his shrew of a wife. I don't think he shopped lavishly until those cars at the end of the TLC run, and didn't he return one or two? He was also Mr Mom in a lot of ways, and though he's not perfect, he's all they have currently, and he seems to have settled down and gotten some help and is trying to be an involved parent. It is a process. Financially, he appears to be left high and dry, and he has accepted that and got an IT job.
I think Kate tricked him into a second multiple birth and the shock might have made him a little crazy and clouded his judgement. By many accounts, this was not he Jon people knew who knew him growing up. People do stupid things in their 20's, and Jon's stupidity was to get involved with the Cult of Kate. I don't know who actually said what during those church gigs, but I do know that Kate regularly bullied Jon and also hit him. I agree with you that scamming the churches was wrong. But I also see that Kate is a master manipulator, and Jon may not have recognized that. He may have seen her as a loving mom who was fighting tooth and nail to provide for her kids. Discernment is something most people learn as they age, and he might have given her the benefit of the doubt and blamed her abusiveness on stress instead of realizing she had a severe personality disorder, was a habitual liar, and was only getting worse and worse. After a certain point, he did reach his limit. Now I hope he's realizing his kids are at theirs and is fighting on their behalf.
As for the kids, I disagree that they are spoiled or are taught entitlement. I think they are abused, beaten down and are on the verge of shutting down emotionally. Kate models entitlement for herself, but she teaches then to OBEY or else there will be hell to pay. (Hey, that could be her motto along with "you get what you get and you don't get upset". (To be cont.)
I posted this comment on another blog, but i think it applies here too. Someone mentioned the part when Kate was saying to one of the girls on Alaska after deplaning and walking to the camping site "just keep going baby, I'm behind you, honey go ahead it's alright." as uncharacteristically kind in tone.
I noticed that too, and I think I know why she feigned that over-considerate tone. It was to indicate to the viewers and the Palins that the child didn't want to move forward because it was gross. The child may have hesitated for a moment and so Kate projected her own attitude on the child. Kate is very specific about the different tones and words she uses with her kids. Instead of reading their cues, she subtly directs THEM how to feel about a situation or projects her feelings onto them and acts like it's about them, when really, it's all about her.
When they encountered the bear rug, she directed her approval for them to approach it "Oh, look! a bear rug!" then laughed when it was thought they might have detached the tongue (which they didn't). She will laugh if they destroy something in a stranger's house, but freak out when they get a speck of gum on their own sock. Societal norms for most of us would prompt the opposite reaction in both those instances, but Kate directs her kids to react in ways that OPPOSE the norm. That explains a lot of the reasons they have trouble socializing or in school. They have received a training from her that in many ways is the opposite of what we as a society deems appropriate behavior. She directs them to be loyal and submissive to her own ego above every other consideration. She is threatened by Sarah Palin, hence she's signal slight approval when they are rough with the bear rug. She wants to leave camping and if they want to stay, she'll threaten them by calling them Palins not Gosselins.
Kate knows what she's doing in public, which is why she gave a little self deprecating laugh when she said "I'm asking them if they are Palin's or Gosselins". She knows how it looks to others and how it hurts her kids, but she doesn't care. She trains them to obey her at all costs. As they grow and start to rebel, it will get worse and worse for them. They are being abused mentally, verbally, physically, every day and in every way. These children are not entitled. They are confused, in pain, thwarted, violated and angry.
Admin please ignore the previous version of this part two of my post. I've corrected a few errors. thanks.
(cont.) Someone mentioned this part from the Alaska episode; the part after deplaning and walking to the campsite when Kate was saying to one of the girls "just keep going baby, I'm behind you, honey go ahead it's alright." as overly kind and solicitous, sounding strange coming from Kate.
I noticed that too, and I think I know why she feigned that over-considerate tone. It was to indicate to the viewers and the Palins that the child didn't want to move forward because it was gross. The child may have hesitated for a moment and so Kate projected her own attitude on the child. Kate is very specific about the different tones and words she uses with her kids. Instead of reading their cues, she subtly directs THEM how to feel about a situation or projects her feelings onto them and acts like it's about them, when really, it's all about her.
When they encountered the bear rug, she signalled her approval for them to approach it "Oh, look! a bear rug!" then laughed when it was thought they might have detached the tongue (which they didn't). She will laugh if they destroy something in a stranger's house, but freak out when they get a speck of gum on their own sock. Societal norms for most of us would prompt the opposite reaction in both those instances, but Kate directs her kids to react in ways that OPPOSE the norm. That explains a lot of the reasons they have trouble socializing or in school. They have received a training from her that in many ways is the opposite of what we as a society deems appropriate behavior. She directs them to be loyal and submissive to her own ego above every other consideration. She is threatened by Sarah Palin, hence she'll signal slight approval when they are rough with the bear rug. She wants to leave camping and if they want to stay, she'll threaten them by calling them Palins not Gosselins.
Kate knows what she's doing in public, which is why she gave a little self deprecating laugh when she said "I'm asking them if they are Palin's or Gosselins". She knows how it looks to others and how it hurts her kids, but she doesn't care. She trains them to obey her at all costs. As they grow, have stronger impulses and start to rebel, it will get worse and worse for them. These kids are not entitled. They are abused, exploited, violated, confused, thwarted, in pain, and angry.
I don't see why public school isn't an option. Public schools are required to provide a free and appropriate education, including children who have a high amount of needs. My mother teaches at a public school. They have a wing for children with emotional difficulties. It has staff trained in restraint and a safe room for children who need to be removed from a situation due to acting out physically for their safety, the safety of the faculty and the safety of the other students. Also, the school is more than capable of handling privacy concerns. It is a closed building with limited access. ALL visitors have to sign in at the office and the entire campus is fenced in. Anyone with cameras would have a difficult time getting a clear shot. This isn't necessarily a school with massive amounts of funding, either.
Ironically, if you have a child with special needs, sometimes the public schools are better equipped to handle it because they are required to provide an appropriate education for any child, a standard private schools may choose to adhere to but aren't required to.
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Moose Mania said...
Their mother is not helping them by keeping them holed up at the compound.
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What's she supposed to do with them if they are not permitted to attend school?
With the ok of their therapist (providing they have one) I'd suggest another private school or heaven forbid - public school.
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how about, God forbid, ONGOING swimming lessons, art lessons, Gymnastic lessons, Brownies and Cub Scouts,
music lessons, library groups, cooking classes, Sunday School !!, dance lessons, whatever the individual young person's interest is! Money doesnt seem to be the problem, but a lazy mother who doesnt work and has 2 vehicles does seem to be the problem!
Those of us have followed the show day one know that Jon was the primary caregiver for those kids as well as Khate being the one who called the shots. I think of Jon to keep the family together and he did manage to do that for quite a number or years...until the big bucks started rolling in. But the money and the attention brought out the worst in both of them. But while Jon wanted to kick his heels a bit Khate went to the dark side and there was nothing good about her after that.
My issue with Jon is that actions speak louder than words, and it APPEARS that he hasn't taken any actions at all to help these kids. I fully concede that we are not privy to the whole story, and I am very hopeful that Jon has things in the works that will help the kids.
I agree that he is the better parent, there is no question to that. Kate is a parent only in the sense that she biologically contributed to the kids. Jon actually loves and cares for them. But ultimately he LEFT THEM WITH HER, knowing what a horrible mother she is and how emotionally abusive she is. And then he agreed to a ridiculously unfair custody and child support arrangement, which makes him appear to be the victim but I think if a person really wants to do what's best for their kids they will fight.
I truly hope he is fighting for them privately, and that he eventually wins, but I am still skeptical of him.
how about, God forbid, ONGOING swimming lessons, art lessons, Gymnastic lessons, Brownies and Cub Scouts,
music lessons, library groups, cooking classes, Sunday School !!, dance lessons, whatever the individual young person's interest is!
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Right. Push them until they are burned out. That's just what they need at this point. If they are being home-schooled, I would assume that this would take up the greater part of the day. When would they do all of these activities if they are in bed by 7:30 p.m.? If there are behavior problems, who is going to supervise them at Scout meetings, dance classes, etc? Do you suppose Kate would be there, or would she send Steve to be the discipline-master? Can't you see him at a dance lesson or a Girl Scout meeting? LOL!
She's not going to put them in another school because she has hopes of them returning to school with the rest of the kids.
I find it laughable you seem to believe anything out of kHATE's plastic pie hole yet are skeptical of anything negative you read. Obviously a blog post on the internet could say anything - but it's funny that even with a camera rolling kHATE continues to lie herself every time the gum chewing mouth is agape.
Why are you not questioning your hero?
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Are you talking to me? LOL!! Kate, a hero? You've got to be kidding me! She's a vile, dispicable person who spews forth lies as easily as she popped out six kids. She's toxic. She's not only a disgrace to motherhood, but to all working moms who really do work to support their kids, not the other way around.
I'm extremely cautious about believing posts from anyone who claims to be an insider, whether they are Kate haters or sheeple. It's far too easy to set oneself up to be "in the know" and people are far too gullible to believe what they want to believe. I've seen it happen time and time again -- the insiders were eventually outed.
Maybe you need to learn to read, rather than going off on someone who never stated that they thought the sun rose and set on Kate. It's really not an admirable trait. It makes you look bad.
"If there are behavior problems, who is going to supervise them at Scout meetings, dance classes, etc?"
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I could easily see why Kate would be reluctant to do this. All she needs are more incidents of anger/rage, and she's a dead duck, especially if those involved were not under any kind of confidentiality agreement.
how about, God forbid, ONGOING swimming lessons, art lessons, Gymnastic lessons, Brownies and Cub Scouts,
music lessons, library groups, cooking classes, Sunday School !!, dance lessons, whatever the individual young person's interest is!
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Right. Push them until they are burned out. That's just what they need at this point. If they are being home-schooled, I would assume that this would take up the greater part of the day. When would they do all of these activities if they are in bed by 7:30 p.m.? If there are behavior problems, who is going to supervise them at Scout meetings, dance classes, etc? Do you suppose Kate would be there, or would she send Steve to be the discipline-master? Can't you see him at a dance lesson or a Girl Scout meeting? LOL!
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I doubt home-schooling is as long as a school's instructional hours. For PA, it is 180 instructional days OR 900 instructional hours. There is no minimum numbers of hours listed for one instructional day.
http://www.elc-pa.org/pubs/downloads/english/oth-homeschooling%207-08.pdf
BeDoneNow wasn't saying to put these children in all these activities to the point they are burnt out. Perhaps, choose one the kids are interested in which will help them build their social skills and learn to work with their peers.
One example of how these extra-curricular activities are beneficial to children is Michael Phelps. He was diagnosed as ADHD, disruptive in class, and swimming became his refuge (especially after his parents divorced) and helped him focus.
Some activities like karate could teach kids discipline because of its nature and the environment it's taught in.
On camera, when the kids are engaged in the activity or receiving one-on-one attention, you don't see them acting out or behaving badly.
Kate can afford to have them participate in a one-on-one activity with an instructor such as swimming, music, skiing/snowboarding, etc.
Unfortunately, those kids are not Kate's first priority so all our suggestions are just falling on deaf ears.
thankyoufairy said... I don't see why public school isn't an option. Public schools are required to provide a free and appropriate education, including children who have a high amount of needs."
Slightly OT. Sorry for a slight rant but it drives me nuts when public school education is claimed to be free.
Public schools are paid for by property taxes (and the state, also through taxes). All property owners pay regardless if they have kids in the schools or not. Education is free only to those who do not pay taxes to the school district. This coming year my school tax bill is $4,245.27. I do not have a child in school.
This being said, my nephew benefited greatly from the special needs program at the public school he attended. The teachers were terrific.
Thankyoufairy, your mom deserves all praise for being a teacher. I wish her well.
My point was that the education does not cost extra to the parent. They cannot charge extra fees or tuition for extra needs. If a parent is willing to be a vocal and persistent advocate, they can get all sorts of early intervention through the schools that would be extremely costly to provide on their own or through a private school. I took the wording from the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act, which I believe uses the phrase "free appropriate public education".
In fact, I doubt the children's behavior would have resulted in an expulsion or mandatory withdrawal if they had been attending a public schools. I would be really surprised if it did since I've heard of more than one case where a child had extremely disruptive and violent outbursts but the school found a way to accommodate.
My point is that there ARE other options besides a private school and homeschooling. I did go the private school route with my son, sending him to our neighborhood parochial school, but if he had needed intensive intervention for a social, educational or behavioral issue, I would have definitely opted for the local public school and I would have attended every IEP meeting. The law really is on the parent's side if they learn how to use it to their advantage.
thankyoufairy said...
Eloquently put. I am not arguing with you, in fact I agree. What bothers me are statements like a public school education is "free" when it is not. That's all. Someone somewhere is "paying" for that education and it is the taxpayers of that particular school district/state. My mom is 88 and hasn't had a child in school since 1979. Her annual school taxes are higher than mine. I am not attacking the good public schools do. Just the concept of a 'free' education.
I am a certified Reading Specialist who has taught in both public and private schools. Most of my experience is in public schools. I agree that there are many misconceptions about both public and private schools.
Let's face it. There are good and bad schools in both sectors. Private school parents will never really consider public school, because it is just not something they do. They pay the private tuition because they believe that it purchases the best available education. This is their right. I do find it annoying, though, to hear people badmouth public schools. It just sounds snobby and elitist. Some of my friends are like this, and I wish they would get over themselves!
I live in an area with excellent public and private schools. While we could afford private, we chose to send both our kids to the local public schools. One of my kids is gifted, and his needs were met in the public schools, where he took accelerated math courses (AP), beginning in middle school. He is now a senior at a public research university, majoring in physics. ALL of his education to this point has been free. Of course we pay taxes so that he and everyone else has this opportunity. Now he is looking into grad school at some of the nation's most elite universities. So public school is not so bad, eh? The money we saved is fattening up our retirement account, where it belongs!
Thankyou fairy and concerned teacher:
This is my last response as neither of you are grasping what I am saying. No one is degrading a public school education. NO ONE. My sisters and I and the rest of the family (generations) have all been in public schools. The extra services the schools offer are paid for by taxes. No matter how you want to view it or phrase it, a public school education is only free to those who do not pay taxes to the school district.
Concerned wrote,
"Private school parents will never really consider public school, because it is just not something they do."
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That's a blanket statement that isn't true. My sister's son went to a private school in New York for several years. He decided he wanted to "try" the public school experience, and his parents gladly let him do it. He left the private school, went to the public school for a year and even though his parents were happy with the curriculum at the public school, he wasn't. He re-enrolled in the private school and graduated there last year. He's glad he's had the experience at both schools.
I know several private school parents who would consider transferring their kids to public school if that's what the children wanted to do, and if the public school has an excellent curriculum that's a good match for the children.
my9cats said...
Thankyou fairy and concerned teacher:
This is my last response as neither of you are grasping what I am saying. No one is degrading a public school education. NO ONE.
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It gets frustrating, doesn't it? If it helps at all, I "got" what you were trying to say!
"You are completely credible, and you are doing a great service to the Gosselin kids by posting here."
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I just have one question. How is this doing great service to the Gosselin kids? We haven't heard anything that hasn't already been told on various blogs, internet magazines and tabloids. How does an "insider" establish credibiity?
Perhaps an insider could tell us if the whole Sarah Palin disaster was staged just for ratings. Did TLC tell Kate to be arrogant and nasty because ratings were dropping, and they needed a way to resurrect interest in her, no matter if it was negative? An insider seems to know that Kate was shopping another network. I'd be interested in hearing TLC's reaction to the whole camping fiasco.
I believe anon on this works for one of the attorneys involved in this catastrophe. Or is a friend of someone who works for one of the attorneys. This horror story has reached critical mess, like a pressure cooker, and it is FINALLY blowing up right in Katie Irene's fake, lying face.
Those pictures with Steve in New York, where they called the paps in to see her new hairstyle? I never thought her smile was fake at all. She was in NY with the most important person in her life, besides herself, she was leaving her kids for over a week, and she had a secret. She had a new network that wanted her. That Cheshire Cat grin was the most genuine I've seen on her. Repulsive, but genuine.
But the Devil wants his due. Kart is falling fast and hard, and I won't be the least bit surprised if the DA is building an airtight child abuse case against her. Too many people have witnessed this abuse for her to get away with it forever. I would drop a dime on my own sister for child abuse if I felt it was warranted, and she's my dearest friend. Someone has to be ratting her out to the authorities. Everyone hates her. Why wouldn't they tell? How could they not protect those kids? She's just too OUT THERE with the abuse. She's been getting away with it for so long, she had to get sloppy at least a few times.
That story from anon about the constant pinching and hitting by Kate made my stomach hurt, but it also rang so true to me. I will love it if it's the kids who get her back inadvertantly by imitating her behavior, but not that I mean I'm glad they're hurting someone, just that it would be sweet justice if this is how she is finally caught. An abused kid pulled into therapy spilling his guts equals Katie Kreider on a "perp walk" in handcuffs.
Dear Santa, all I want for Christmas is to see Katie Irene Kreider in an orange jumpsuit, with CFM heels, looking like something Shoka dragged in.
Oh, and she wanted Steve to fix it at the school because he fixes everything for her. I totally, totally believe this story. She thinks the whole world would be as mesmerized by him as she is. Sorry Katie, all he is is a silent witness to the destruction of eight children. I'd like to see Purse Boy's ass in jail, too.
Reality Check, why are you here then? LOL!
I get a kick out of, as Sarah would say, trolls coming here saying I am delusional to think this blog is the greatest (huh????), and yet here they are participating. Isn't that sorta just feeding my so-called delusions? Think about it.
Back on topic, care to address any of the excellent points brought up today about school and filming? Or you can't and just have to deflect and attack the messenger.
If it is true that 4 of the kids are asking to get away from Kate and live with Jon, things must be terribly chaotic and sad around there for all involved. I can't even imagine how all those kids must feel. I just pray there will be a quick solution and those kids will be allowed to be with their dad.
Kate, Mr DeMille is dead but I think you're ready for that close-up but it's gonna be real ugly.
Kathy said... Anon on this, may I just ask one question? I'm just curious about how you would know about Kate's dealings with the networks or that she was going to switch networks and had an offer on the table that's been rescinded.
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If she told you that, she wouldn't be "Anon on this" anymore, would she?
Maybe TLC didn't like that Kate was looking for another network, maybe that's why they've decided not to 'protect' her anymore??
Anon on this...
I don't know who is "raking you over the coals", but I rather enjoy your updates! Please don't stop because of some skeptics. Some of what you said has come to be, so I think you're legit. Of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but again, I look forward to seeing your posts, so please keep them coming! :)
PS I hope you have never had the unpleasant experience of having to deal w/ Kate however. How unfortunate for you...
Anon On This ~ I, for one, appreciate your input and validation of some of the happenings with the kids. Please stick around!!
anon on this said... After the last raking over the coals some of you gave me, I decided I was done here, but I am the one who told you that the incidents at school involved children AND adults. It was not just a teacher, but also the 1:1 adult companions that were assigned to C & A. I will say it again; the behaviors that are being displayed are mimicing their mother - her sneers, her hand and finger flipping, her tone, her disdain, even her strutting. And yes, her CONSTANT hitting and pinching of the children, THEY are now doing to others including adults.
At some point the information seems like it will come out about the tantrums Kate threw at the school, how she complained long and hard about how they wouldnt allow Steve to handle things for her, even her tantrums at the kids (in front of others) for making her look bad and ruining her 'career'.
Bringing this stuff to light IS helping the children. Kate was on the verge of taking this road show to another network and that offer is being rescinded. A NEW network. yes that is what I mean.
I think I know where the leaks are coming from and I dont think it is Jon.
When I said this last time, I said that 2 were pressuring Jon to help them leave their mother's house. It is up to 4 children now. They are very serious. It is causing problems between the siblings, it is all very awful.
I cant comment on November 30th until someone else does, publicly.
I am aquainted with someone involved.
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