Every year or so we cycle through the nursing saga. Is her degree as good as someone who went to a college.
I am a nurse. A career nurse. I work side by side with nurses who did both programs. There is NO difference in our skill set. There is no difference in how we chart, deliver meds, care for our patients. Some of us are trauma nurses and we literally save pts. lives every day. Some of us bring babies into the world and my very best friend is our house supervisor. This subject is old and been beat to death.
I think it just kills people that Kate is an RN and had the intelligence to get through the program.
The chili cook-off (Lititz Fire and Ice) was held yesterday. I think that Jon had a really fun time as one of the judges! He loves people, community charity events, and food. No Uggs, though!
The smoked beef brisket chili was amazing, but I may not look at another bowl of chili for some time.
We're up to a balmy 11 degrees here. After last night, anything seems warm.
Well, I expect TFW to put in an appearance any time now because Jon posted an Instagram picture of himself & Colleen at the Berks County cystic fibrosis event. TFW will post a picture of the fantastic Valentine's Day celebration that she had for the kids.
XXXX @ConcernedChick @Kateplusmy8 Yeah, right. Everytime the door opens he rushes down 2 flights from where he's asleep beside her bed??
I'm not familiar with the layout of the house, but I thought Kate has a first-floor master suite. If the dog sleeps by her bed, why would he have to go down two flights of steps to go outside? He could certainly hear the front door open and be left outside that way.
I think it just kills people that Kate is an RN and had the intelligence to get through the program.
**** Kate went through the program 20 years ago. Were the requirements as strict then as they are now? I don't know...just asking.
I have no idea if she is still qualified to go back to nursing, or if she has to take refresher courses. That aside, would anyone want her to be their nurse? I can't imagine that her bedside manner is something that you'd want to write home about! I wonder, too, how she would get along with other nurses. She would have to work side by side with them, and with her arrogance I would think that she wouldn't be too pleasant a person with whom you'd want to work.
We were -34 last night and now 10 degrees Fahrenheit. Our bathroom faucets froze despite dripping and open cupboards- never happened before. SO lucky that the hot water remained running so the taps thawed- the pipes are old and in the wall- what an expense and mess if they had burst! Another frigid night tonight and then a snow to sleet storm for Monday....winter is all packed into February it seems.
SarahK said... 6 I think it just kills people that Kate is an RN and had the intelligence to get through the program.
**** Kate went through the program 20 years ago. Were the requirements as strict then as they are now? I don't know...just asking.
I have no idea if she is still qualified to go back to nursing, or if she has to take refresher courses. That aside, would anyone want her to be their nurse? I can't imagine that her bedside manner is something that you'd want to write home about! I wonder, too, how she would get along with other nurses. She would have to work side by side with them, and with her arrogance I would think that she wouldn't be too pleasant a person with whom you'd want to work. --------- There are mediocre teachers, nurses, presidents etc. People routinely leave nursing careers for various reasons and then return years later. there are refresher courses readily available to help nurses return to update skills and return to work. If she wanted to, she could absolutely get a job. People don't get hired solely based on their bedside manner. There is an expectation of professional behavior in every aspect of the job--it isn't a popularity contest.
We were -34 last night and now 10 degrees Fahrenheit.
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Minus 34 actual or windchill? Our windchill was ten below last night, and today we had a high of 17. Messy weather coming. They can't decide if it's all snow, rain, sleet, freezing rain and snow, or what, or even when this is coming. Was our groundhog drunk or nursing a hangover when he made his forecast?
I think it just kills people that Kate is an RN and had the intelligence to get through the program.
JR ********* I think Kate's smart but she acts dumb. I don't know how she was able to apply herself to get her certificate because she's bone lazy. She's very cunning.
Every year or so we cycle through the nursing saga.
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There's a lot we cycle through, child support, custody, payment for the kids, trust funds, child labor laws, Kate's failures, narcissism, etc. There may be some new posters who are interested in all of this, particularly the nursing, because they haven't been around when it was discussed before.
The Lititz Fire & Ice Festival is proud to announce that Jon Gosselin will be our celebrity chili judge during the 11th Annual Chili Cook off. Jon is best known for his time on TLC’s Jon & Kate Plus 8 but there is much more to his story. With 2 books coming out and a new story of what really happened, Jon is ready to move forward and show the world who he really is. http://www.lititzfireandicefestival.com/
Tucker's Mom said... 11 We going to get snow, sleet and freezing rain before it warms up and rains a ton.
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I listened to the evening news/weather report and Mr. Weather Guy is covering all bases. Possible snow by 6 p.m. (really...when does it begin?) changing to all snow in the evening, with sleet and snow overnight, possibly all snow, with freezing rain on Tuesday morning changing to all rain and then maybe back to snow flurries.
Why don't they just say, "We're not sure what form the precipitation will take, or when it will start and end. Just look out your window."
reader said... 13 The Lititz Fire & Ice Festival is proud to announce that Jon Gosselin will be our celebrity chili judge during the 11th Annual Chili Cook off. Jon is best known for his time on TLC’s Jon & Kate Plus 8 but there is much more to his story. With 2 books coming out and a new story of what really happened, Jon is ready to move forward and show the world who he really is. http://www.lititzfireandicefestival.com/
Tucker's Mom said... 10 I think it just kills people that Kate is an RN and had the intelligence to get through the program.
JR ********* I think Kate's smart but she acts dumb. I don't know how she was able to apply herself to get her certificate because she's bone lazy. She's very cunning.
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Thank you, Tucker's mom.
TFW is smart in a lot of ways and extremely dumb in others. Lazy and cunning, yes.
Suzanne Somers is a very smart woman. She could of not played Chrissy Snow without being smart. Poor Chrissy was as dumb as a box of hair. If SS was that dumb, she wouldn't of made it through the audition.
All things considered, I'll take Nurse Ratchet over Nurse Kate. While I agree that she did earn her original RN through hard work and she did take the same exam as those who got their RN through a BS program, taking classes online to keep your license current isn't the same as taking those same online classes while actually working in the field.
@Tucker's mom as long as Jon saids he didn't cheat and said that he and Kate just couldn't get along.Then the fans can't twist it and say hes blaming Kate.If i remember Jon did admit that he had regrets and remorse for the stuff he did in the past.I know the fans may call us hypocrites for forgiving Jon but not Kate but on the hand,some of them have forgiven Kate for the abuse she did but won't forgive Jon and plus if Kate was serious,i'd think she'd stop filming the crap out of her kids.
What Kate achieved with her AA/RN degree is a decent accomplishment, but nothing extraordinary, let's not give her academic sainthood for heaven's sake. It's a shame she did so little with her degree, but her life. And I am not really a hater; I have a BA and an MLS, but I do not consider that extraordinary either. Let's keep it real.
Fleecing The Sheeple (#27), at least a cold dishrag could offer you some comfort and relief if you have a fever. Nurse TFW just sticks you on the laundry room floor.
Nurse TFW just sticks you on the laundry room floor.
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...and ignores her child's stomach pain for weeks; doesn't know when a wound should be sutured, won't get an x-ray of her daughter's ankle, and continues filming while her son is crying because of constipation.
Would she put down a comforter on that laundry room floor before she dumped you there?
@Tucker's mom as long as Jon saids he didn't cheat and said that he and Kate just couldn't get along.Then the fans can't twist it and say hes blaming Kate
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The fans can and do twist anything they want. They are master twisters and master deflectors.
Anonymous said... 31 What Kate achieved with her AA/RN degree is a decent accomplishment, but nothing extraordinary, let's not give her academic sainthood for heaven's sake. It's a shame she did so little with her degree, but her life. And I am not really a hater; I have a BA and an MLS, but I do not consider that extraordinary either. Let's keep it real.
OrangeCrusher1 ***************************** I don't see anyone giving her academic sainthood. It was just pointed out that despite false claims to the contrary, Kate in fact did pursue and complete post-secondary education. And those in the profession are informing those who are not that a hospital diploma program RN is not a "lower" form of RN as has also been stated here repeatedly.
There are trends in every career. Back when Kate went to nursing school, that was pretty normal and many jobs were open to you. The trend has changed and many employers are looking for the BSN degree rather than the nursing school. I have no idea how hard it would be for Kate to get a job. Nurses have a number of work-at-home options with reviewing medical records or clinical studies. I am not up to date on whether she would qualify for those without the BSN in today's climate. But it is pretty obvious she is not going to get a job. TLC (and all the viewers) owe her a living for allowing her to have 8 children. I have heard stories about her nursing (I get my medical care in the Reading area) and I am glad she's not working with patients any more.
While I give her due credit for getting her RN, I don't give her any credit for the way she dismissed the obvious concerns she should have had for her own children when they experienced illnesses.
PatK (#49), I suspect the sheeple line will be, how dare Jon profit off his children by writing a book! While their idol has been doing so much worse by making the children film for more than a decade.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 50 PatK (#49), I suspect the sheeple line will be, how dare Jon profit off his children by writing a book! While their idol has been doing so much worse by making the children film for more than a decade. February 15, 2016 at 10:28 AM ******** No doubt. While I have always thought is that both J+K should have retreated to private lives and allowed the kids to recoup whatever privacy that wasn't left in the bottom of toilets and on boat decks, I've long since realized that the Gosselin children will never be granted this gift by Kate. It now follows that Jon be allowed to express his truths, experiences and life lessons. I believe Jon's account will be more like Jon- a bit less polished, more direct and more revealing. I think Jon's book(s) could put the issue of raising children on tv back into the public zeitgeist. Heaven knows Robert's book never broke through whatever impenetrable barrier put up by the many forces of TLC and Kate Gosselin. I really believe Robert has is still tries to pull back the curtain. This is a long overdue conversation that needs to be given more than the banal lip service of lollipop talking heads, chirping the latest headline-grabbing topics such as Kate banging the help.
No parent should ever be allowed to unilaterally decide that their minor charge's privacy is up for sale. Children are simply not able to give informed consent, which I have procured many times from adult research subjects when the worst possible predicted outcome is temporary muscle soreness. I can not imagine an independent review board signing off on a trial which involves the very likely loss of long-term privacy and dignity to little children. Especially when the benefit is purely material.
Flimsy, I think you are exactly right about the Sheep saying, How Dare Jon make money off the kids by writing a book! They would justify TFW's Decade of Filming the Kids with Adventures, Trips, and Fun Things To Do While Running In and Out of Frame!
TFW said, Who am I to say No? The Sheep would say, #K8SayYesToTheFilming #DontTurnDownAGoodThing #CarryOnKateWith8
I think my comment was eaten! Just wanted to say, Well said Tucker's Mom (51)!! "It now follows that Jon be allowed to express his truths..." And yes indeed, "This is a long overdue conversation.." We've only gotten sound bites and responses for several years. I am hoping he had some freedom in writing his thoughts without the heavy shadow of TLC hanging over him.
Tucker's Mom (#51), I appreciated your eloquent thoughts.
The sheeple seem oblivious to the detrimental aspects of filming. They can only see things in terms of benefits -- cool trips, a great house, a good education, and a mom who doesn't have to work full time. But what about the persistent invasion of those children's privacy for the public's enjoyment? For every half hour episode, dozens of hours are filmed. Multiply that by a decade, and it's almost unfathomable that this treatment of minors has been allowed to continue.
The harm that's been done to these kids cannot be measured. If any of them ever do sue, how can you quantify what they've lost?
@Tucker's mom If only Kate got the duggar treatment,but sadly she didn't.Im not saying the public is still into her,despite milo's delusional claim that most of America still cares about Kate.There are over 318 million people in this country and Kate's show gets around 1 million(maybe less if the little couple did help her rank views.)thats like less then 1% of the American population that still cares.
.There are over 318 million people in this country and Kate's show gets around 1 million(maybe less if the little couple did help her rank views.)thats like less then 1% of the American population that still cares.
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But it's not known if they "care" for her (as in love her and are big fans), or if they are just watching to see how nasty she is and how she treats her children.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 56 Tucker's Mom (#51), I appreciated your eloquent thoughts.
The sheeple seem oblivious to the detrimental aspects of filming. They can only see things in terms of benefits -- cool trips, a great house, a good education, and a mom who doesn't have to work full time. But what about the persistent invasion of those children's privacy for the public's enjoyment? For every half hour episode, dozens of hours are filmed. Multiply that by a decade, and it's almost unfathomable that this treatment of minors has been allowed to continue.
The harm that's been done to these kids cannot be measured. If any of them ever do sue, how can you quantify what they've lost? **** That's the problem. Shepple don't think the kids have lost anything. They don't see them as real live children, they see them as characters living out their (the sheeples) dreams of being rich and famous.
Has TFW only tweeted twice since the last episode aired -- the school of fish tweet, and the Shoka's indoors tweet? Or did I miss some other ones in between?
At least she won't complain about a 5 a.m. wake-up call tomorrow. School is on a two-hour delay...that is, if they are at home!
It's nasty out there. Freezing rain and roads are a mess. The good thing is that it's supposed to be 50 degrees and all rain tomorrow, but then we'back to this cycle of icy roads at night. I'm surprised that she hasn't checked in with her tweetie buddies, in search of someone with whom to commiserate.
If I remember, Kate doesn't post pictures of things they filmed. So we didn't get our usual super bowl or valentine's pictures. I don't think it means they were with their dad.
If Jon publishes a book, the sheeple will say how horrible he is because the children deserve privacy. We'll need a rolling eyes emoji.
I guess we know what any home-based kids will be doing if the driveway is slick. It has to do with 8 scoops and 8 buckets of ice melt. "Mommy has exceptionally essential to and fro's to generate! Get out there and melt something!"
Where is Admin to move us along? Let's not start looking like sheepie. Some think it's admirable Kate went on to become an RN, some feel her motivation was suspect. Some consider her nursing courses equal to that of college, some do not. I agree time to move on
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That's a fair summary to me. Agree that it's time to agree to disagree and move on! :)
IRBs sign off on research involving children all the time. Are you opposed to all research involving children, since they can never give informed consent?
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The poster said they were against research that involved violating a child's privacy and dignity. I'm not aware of the IRB signing off on something like that in recent memory. That would violate ethical guidelines.
I think the consensus among most people here is that there are very real dangers for child actors they are just as concerned about as they are for reality TV children. You need only watch the news to see the result of being a child star or listen to grown adults like the Olsen twins talk about their experiences (they felt like trained monkeys, and are so upset about their childhoods on set they refused to participate in Fuller House). However, there are much, much better protections in place for child actors. Including in most states, an on set advocate who watches out for a child who is too tired or stressed to do a scene, clocks their hours and schooling down to the second, and ensures they are never subjected to anything unsafe, uncomfortable, or humiliating. In many states like CA, I'm not sure what else could be added to the law to protect these children short of banning child acting all together, which I recognize is not realistic. At certain ages in CA, you can barely work but a few hours before you're done for the day.
That's a fair summary to me. Agree that it's time to agree to disagree and move on! :) ***** Yay, and yay. OT- Better Call Saul started last night. It was great to see Saul again, although I'm at a bit of a loss to know what's going through that scheming head of his. Maggie Smith has never been funnier in Downton Abbey than this season. I hope we see more of her.
This is a decade-long experiment on minor children. Not in a laboratory, not in a private facility, but on national TV. And it is not being done to offer physical, mental, or emotional help to other children, or to future generations. So I find any comparison to genuine clinical research experiments to be far-fetched.
And while it seems unfathomable that anyone would give informed consent to this experiment, a greedy TV network, and a horrible mother have agreed, and continue to agree to it. And as long as they continue, I am going to voice my opinion about it.
I hope this is far enough removed from the nursing discussion but regarding Kate's intelligence, I don't think she's smart. I think she's of average intelligence. Kate's biggest problem is laziness. She is rarely up to her potential because she has no drive or desire to be. She would rather email 100 companies begging for freebies than go work in a hospital and make a difference for some patients and stimulate and challenge herself intellectually in the medical field.
She sounds dumb about current events not because she doesn't understand them but because she doesn't inform herself. There's a difference between being dumb and being uninformed. But if she were forced to study a newspaper and then take a quiz I have no doubt she would do just fine on the quiz. She just doesn't WANT to be informed.
We saw moments of creativity and intelligence on Celebrity Apprentice, when she felt like applying herself. So, it's there.
Oh, and I do think her motives for being a nurse were largely to get a man, a doctor. And that fits perfectly into the idea that when she has motivation, whether it's to get a man, or get freebies, or win CA, or whatever, she will apply herself and accomplish things.
She is not motivated by the personal satisfaction of a hard day's work, of challenging herself intellectually, of the joy of learning new things and being aware of the world, of the accomplishment of higher education. Those things don't do it for her, never have.
I liked Better Call Saul last night. It occurred to me Saul likes the fun and thrill of a good scam, of playing a part and executing. That's more important to him than whatever the takeaway is.
But he's also realizing it's not as fun to do this by himself. He wants a partner in crime.
Stephen Fry, host of Sunday's British Academy Film Awards, has quit Twitter after users of the platform criticized his on-air joke about costume designer Jenny Beavan being dressed like a "bag lady."
In a blog post, the British actor, writer and comedian said he was deactivating his account because Twitter has become a "stagnant pool" littered with scum and other hazards.
"Even if you negotiate the sharp rocks you'll soon feel that too many people have peed in the pool for you to want to swim there any more. The fun is over," he wrote.
Fry: No need for 'panty-wetting' over Oscars diversity
Fry: No need for 'panty-wetting' over Oscars diversity 01:35 "Let us grieve at what twitter has become. A stalking ground for the sanctimoniously self-righteous who love to second-guess, to leap to conclusions and be offended -- worse, to be offended on behalf of others they do not even know."
IRBs sign off on research involving children all the time. Are you opposed to all research involving children, since they can never give informed consent? ***** Reductio ad absurdum. However, I do appreciate your tacit acknowledgement that this "reality" tv genre of invasively filming children's lives in situ, over the course of virtually their entire minor lives, is experimental, whereby outcomes, are at this point, inherently unknown. Primum non nocere: words that all parents should live by.
Chrissakes, the dropping are increasing. I need a pair of Wellies.
We saw moments of creativity and intelligence on Celebrity Apprentice, when she felt like applying herself. So, it's there. ****** I think Kate was highly coached by Steve. Never understood how she could basically have so much help.
We've been saying Twitter is a cesspool for awhile now. I think you have to possess a good deal of self control to no get sucked into the childish back and forth. It's too easy to misspeak, lash out and simply act much lower than your actual age. In other words, the perfect sandbox for Kate and Deanna. Although, it seems even Kate can't get her narc supply from it as she once did. Another social media experiment bites the dust.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 78 Tucker's Mom (#75), drop the mic, sister! February 16, 2016 at 6:30 AM ******* Tucker's Mom, out. Nah, I'll be around all day. Don't forget to tip your waitresses (as they said in the 1980's).
If Jon releases a book I don't think it is going to revolve around raising the kids. That whole story line has been beaten to death by Kate and nothing Jon could say will untwist the way Kate has portrayed herself as the sole provider for the eight kids.
Instead I think Jon is going to go into the background of how a family with good intentions went completely off the tracks when fame and money struck and they weren't prepared for the consequences. I would look for Jon to go into detail of how thankful he was that the locals supported their needs but then Kate and TLC started pushing filming, promotions, $25K speaking fees, etc. on the family. The regular trips by Kate and Steve while Jon stayed with the kids had to raise suspicions too. Maybe Jon has some proof about an affair he will release.
Kate's true colors as a narcissistic sociopath came through and she made unilateral decisions that were not in the best interest of the family. That is what lead to the demise of Jon and Kate's relationship. Jon will also likely go into some more details of the various innuendos, threats, suits, and injunctions Kate and TLC got to guarantee he had no say in when the kids were filmed.
I don't think Jon will ever go into specifics about his relationship with particular children. He is going to protect their privacy to the best of his ability. I think the book will be an expose on Kate's and TLC's destruction of their marriage in pursuit of the almighty dollar.
Instead I think Jon is going to go into the background of how a family with good intentions went completely off the tracks when fame and money struck and they weren't prepared for the consequences ******* Kate always boils it down to the self-serving and overly-simplified axiom: You'd do it to. It's false. Patently false. Kate's mantra that filming would stop if anyone didn't want to film anymore was also false, and I'd love for that to be widely known. If Jon, a grown man, couldn't make it stop, how can any of the kids?
Oh, and I do think her motives for being a nurse were largely to get a man, a doctor. And that fits perfectly into the idea that when she has motivation, whether it's to get a man, or get freebies, or win CA, or whatever, she will apply herself and accomplish things.
******* In swimming terms, Kate is a sprinter as opposed to a distance swimmer. She dives in, swims like mad for a short race and then is done. 1,650 meter (32 lengths of an Olympic sized pool) swimmers pace themselves to keep going with a strong but unfrenzied stroke, methodically moving through the water. Less scurry, more endurance.
One of the many reasons I chose not to undergo fertility treatments. Fatigue is one of the leading symptoms reported among women with PCOS. We really have to limit carb and fat intake. I watch every bite, I am on metformin, a drug commonly prescribed for diabetes. My blood sugar, A1c is tested every 6 months. My health and weight are good and still I find I get tired more quickly than anyone I know! I am a distance runner, and a nap taker too. My mind is always going. Sometimes I have high energy days where I can't sit still, others I am dragging. Blood sugar and hormones. When I was younger I was depressed, also common with PCOS. Knowing all of this, being aware of it...and other reasons. I thought it best to not to do fertility treatments.
It upsets me that Kate did not share any information on pcos when she had a platform to do so! PCOS is about a lot more than infertility. Lots of women go undiagnosed into their 30's. Metformin for many is a life saver. Important to keep weight down. So much she might have shared. Oh well, going back to my slushy corner on the veranda....
I meant to say the many symptoms of pcos, are among the reasons I did not choose fertility treatments. Fatigue is one of the leading symptoms. Also were the risks, family medical history, the cost, and our financial ability at the time. Typing on an iPad it is difficult to see the start of my post by the time I've finished my ramblings!
Many women with PCOS think Kate could have really made a difference in raising awareness and funding for treatment, but she's only managed to use it as her reason for doing fertility treatments. Odd that she's never addressed PCOS during one of her "Ask Kate" snooze fests. But of course she's managed to take the time to talk about her tanning, spa routine and clothing size. You know, meaningful stuff.
I don't know what's been happening to my posts today but I'll try one more topi me and then move on.
TFW did attend and graduate from an accredited hospital degree program and was awarded her RN. TFW did take the state exam required to be certified and she does take the necessary classes to keep her certification current. So even though she did not (technically speaking) attend a four year college and get a BS (even though she's full of it), she did get the necessary training to become an RN.
That being said, I don't think I'd want her to be my nurse since we've all seen how she treats her sick kids and she "hearts" them.
I still wonder if Katie's pcos was/is self diagnosed, like her alleged ocd. IF she did have ocd (she doesn't), she also could have had a platform for addressing its debilitating nature. Psychiatric diagnoses still carry an unnecessary stigma.
"The" IRB? There is no single entity known as "the IRB." It's not like the IRS. I don't think you know what an IRB is. How could you possibly know what every IRB in the country has or has not approved? There are thousands of them.
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Institutional review boards. IRB. Or IRBs. Whatever is your pleasure.
"Let us grieve at what twitter has become. A stalking ground for the sanctimoniously self-righteous who love to second-guess, to leap to conclusions and be offended -- worse, to be offended on behalf of others they do not even know."
Thank you for proving my point. The Olsen twins experience was with strict labor laws. So if you believe the Olsen twins were harmed and that that is a typical child actor experience, then you should not be watching any television show or movie featuring a child after or you are a hypocrite.
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I don't agree with that. I think a person can have concerns and objections to things without engaging in a straight boycott. The world is not that simple.
There's a lot I don't agree with when it comes to the IRS but I still pay my taxes. I don't particularly like my state senators, but I still live in California. I would object if Hillary Clinton is elected president, but I'm not about to whine and say I'm moving to Canada. If everyone who doesn't actively boycott anything they take issue with is a hypocrite, so be it.
Tucker's Mom... Agree about Maggie Smith in Downton Abbey. She is a whipper snapper. Hubs and I just saw her in the movie The Lady in the Van. It started out slow but enjoyed it. She is a fabulous actress.
"The" IRB? There is no single entity known as "the IRB." It's not like the IRS. I don't think you know what an IRB is. How could you possibly know what every IRB in the country has or has not approved? There are thousands of them.
****** Who is posting these snippy comments, mainly addressed to admin? Are these sheeple droppings?
That being said, I don't think I'd want her to be my nurse since we've all seen how she treats her sick kids and she "hearts" them.
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I really have to agree with that. Someone said more or less bedside manner really isn't that important in a nurse. Well, it should be, and I think for a lot of medical facilities it is something they consider in hiring. It is especially important to women when it comes to their obgyn and their team. One bad nurse can ruin a woman's delivery experience let alone a snippy doctor.
For me, bedside manner is actually probably the second most important factor just after their medical expertise. Like a lot of people I don't like hospitals, and after going through some stomach issues for a couple years with several tests and being put under twice, it was extremely important to me I had a doctor and a team of nurses who were kind and understanding and I felt safe with. I just don't think I could have dealt with someone gruff and insensitive.
If I'm not mistaken Kate worked in the labor and delivery ward where I believe a kind word and gentle touch from all medical staff are crucial.
It upsets me that Kate did not share any information on pcos when she had a platform to do so!
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It's too bad, I agree with you. Not that she is obligated to, but I believe if you have a platform to speak to a lot of people you should think seriously about how you can make a difference. What will be your cause? How will you change the world even a little bit? There are many other examples of celebrities who have done great things with their fame. She has done nothing. When you only use your fame to defend your motherhood and exploit your not-cute-anymore back-talking kids, is that really anything for the history books?
Still waiting for you to explain how you could know what thousands of IRBs have or have not approved, as you claimed.
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Well, they have their ethical guidelines. If you're so sure of this why don't YOU prove they have approved unethical child experiments in recent memory? You're the one disputing this, YOU do the work to find anything that would prove me wrong that an IRB has, any time recently, approved an unethical experiment on children.
Bedside manner is very important for a nurse. I've been hospitalized many times. A nurse does not have to be a softie or touchy feely. What is very important are listening skills. The nurse needs to listen to what a patient says, process it, and be clear she is open to more communication. Nurses are on the front lines and the patient needs to feel comfortable saying what she feels. I've had many great nurses (and a few bad ones.)
. A nurse does not have to be a softie or touchy feely. What is very important are listening skills. The nurse needs to listen to what a patient says, process it, and be clear she is open to more communication. Nurses are on the front lines and the patient needs to feel comfortable saying what she feels. I've had many great nurses (and a few bad ones.)
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Absolutely. And speaking of communication I appreciated when my nurses and doctors took the tiny bit of extra time to say things like this is going to sting, you can squeeze my hand or the pillow if you want. On three. Instead of just sticking you.
I, along with countless others, could write a book about the difference between nurses who do the work because they love being nurses and those who just go through the technical business of following doctors' orders. I/we have had both and everything in between. I'll take an Aunt Jodi type nurse every time.
I've had some wonderful nurses, warm and caring and too often overworked. Fortunately I can say I've had only a few who were cold, seemingly indifferent to my situation. Nothing compares to human kindness in times of fear.
I'll say this and I'll be done. Kate had a platform to talk about pcos. She took for granted the gift modern medicine gave her. She demanded the the commonwealth of Pennsylvania take care of her family! She must have known the general lack of understanding of the disease at the time. Not a word. She was willing to travel to churches where she was paid thousands to speak about how GOD wanted this for her, but not one support group,not one day at a local hospital to talk about how scientific research and modern medicine had made this happen. She's a self serving hypocrite. I'll say this for the little couple, Dr. Arnold is very involved in giving back.
This essay details the experiences of a child, now a college grad, growing up as the daughter of one of the Real Housewives of New Jersey. I hope it's not a repost.
I actually do not not doubt she suffers from PCOS because besides the symptoms and examination, the blood tests would not lie. I believe she used this, though, to push for fertility treatments early in the marriage instead of being more conservative. Some women are able to conceive naturally with PCOS. Why the rush and why risk multiples? Hmmmm
" Every story arc needs an antagonist and a protagonist—that is what creates the conflict and resolution, i.e. the drama."
Used to be you'd have to be a novitiate to not know how reality tv shows are made. I get that J+K didn't realize at first, how the tension between them would become the driving force behind their great success. Now, Kate knows that she is not enough and has ushered in her own daughter, Mady, to take Jon's place and provide the conflict and "rub" the show needs. Just look at the reactions Mady gets. It's really sickening and I wonder if Mady "gets" her role in the show. I wonder if she gets that she's been branded "the bitch" since she was very young. This reputation WILL follow Mady. She'll be seen as sardonic, blithe, uncooperative, selfish, uncaring and disrespectful to authority figures.
Thanks for the link. https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/growing-up-as-the-daughter-of-a-real-housewife#
That article by a Real Housewife's daughter was very well thought and should be taken as a stern warning.
I can see Mady writing something like that when she grows up. She was cast as the villain in much the same way this particular family was. The psychological damage that does to a child is without measure.
Handinhand (#104), thank you for that link. That was a powerful piece.
Think of how much that girl suffered, and she wasn't even the star of the show. She wasn't a Real Housewife -- she was the daughter of one. And now think about those 8 children who have been the "8" in the title of a reality show for a decade now, with no end in sight.
I agree, too. If she was pregnant in her teens, even if she suspected she had PCOS for some reason ( and I don't believe that), then wouldn't she think fertility was not an issue? She was still quite young.
Seven months after TLC canceled 19 Kids and Counting in the wake of Josh Duggar’s molestation scandal, the Duggars were spotted filming once again, In Touch is exclusively reporting.
I see women in the ER all the time with metformin complications. Be it for type 2 diabetes, and overweight, or PCOS. Metformin interacts with so many other meds, doctors once thought it was a wonder drug with all it off label uses. UGG, I hate mismanagement of drugs.
A pt asked me a few weeks ago if I enjoy what I do, and my automatic response was, yes, very much so. When work lulled a bit, I was telling this to my co-worker, another great career nurse, and I said you know, I really don't like it as much as I did.
Ladies, I got into the medical field for all the right reasons. But healthcare has changed so much. Our facility is required to take anyone who comes to our ER, regardless of ability to pay. We treat strep throat on kids whose parents think coming to the ER is faster. We treat drug seekers who take up so much of our time. We treat criminals and thugs, pysch pts. nursing home neglects, and when the stroke pts come in and the traumas, the heart pts and such we are so bogged down it is down right scary. We hire kids right of school who have not a clue.
And yet, our facilty, a top notch facilty mandates us to treat every pt like they were are only one. I wish!!! To use the open ended statement, "Is there anything else I can do for you?", takes us down an unending rabbit hole. For example, can my friend get a coke and a blanket? Can you find the movie station for me? I don't like this room. This blood pressure cuff is too tight. It goes on and on in one room. It seems like the poor and uninsured are the most demanding and don't even get me started on the illegals. All in a days work, and terribly understaffed.
No, I don't like my current work environment, but ususally on every shift, I make a solid save and connection with someone and it keeps me going. If we spend too much time with a pt we are reprimanded. If we spend not enough time, we are reprimanded. All this too say, if you don't have an emergency, please don't go to the ER. Not only will it cost you a fortune in time and money....we will run every possible test and exam to CYA. Lets save the ER for trauma, strokes and heart attacks. Most everything else an Instcare can handle.
1515 sediments (sic) from readers:
«Oldest ‹Older 1401 – 1515 of 1515 Newer› Newest»Every year or so we cycle through the nursing saga. Is her degree as good as someone who went to a college.
I am a nurse. A career nurse. I work side by side with nurses who did both programs. There is NO difference in our skill set. There is no difference in how we chart, deliver meds, care for our patients. Some of us are trauma nurses and we literally save pts. lives every day. Some of us bring babies into the world and my very best friend is our house supervisor. This subject is old and been beat to death.
I think it just kills people that Kate is an RN and had the intelligence to get through the program.
JR
OT...
The chili cook-off (Lititz Fire and Ice) was held yesterday. I think that Jon had a really fun time as one of the judges! He loves people, community charity events, and food. No Uggs, though!
The smoked beef brisket chili was amazing, but I may not look at another bowl of chili for some time.
We're up to a balmy 11 degrees here. After last night, anything seems warm.
Well, I expect TFW to put in an appearance any time now because Jon posted an Instagram picture of himself & Colleen at the Berks County cystic fibrosis event. TFW will post a picture of the fantastic Valentine's Day celebration that she had for the kids.
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@ConcernedChick @Kateplusmy8 Yeah, right. Everytime the door opens he rushes down 2 flights from where he's asleep beside her bed??
I'm not familiar with the layout of the house, but I thought Kate has a first-floor master suite. If the dog sleeps by her bed, why would he have to go down two flights of steps to go outside? He could certainly hear the front door open and be left outside that way.
What am I missing?
NJGal51, thanks for posting about Jon and Colleen. They looked great!
Oh, you bet she will post a Valentines Day something with the kids to throw it back at Jon.
And Milo will chime in seconds after, with her hideous hashtags.
I think it just kills people that Kate is an RN and had the intelligence to get through the program.
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Kate went through the program 20 years ago. Were the requirements as strict then as they are now? I don't know...just asking.
I have no idea if she is still qualified to go back to nursing, or if she has to take refresher courses. That aside, would anyone want her to be their nurse? I can't imagine that her bedside manner is something that you'd want to write home about! I wonder, too, how she would get along with other nurses. She would have to work side by side with them, and with her arrogance I would think that she wouldn't be too pleasant a person with whom you'd want to work.
We were -34 last night and now 10 degrees Fahrenheit. Our bathroom faucets froze despite dripping and open cupboards- never happened before. SO lucky that the hot water remained running so the taps thawed- the pipes are old and in the wall- what an expense and mess if they had burst! Another frigid night tonight and then a snow to sleet storm for Monday....winter is all packed into February it seems.
Stay safe and warm, everyone !
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I think it just kills people that Kate is an RN and had the intelligence to get through the program.
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Kate went through the program 20 years ago. Were the requirements as strict then as they are now? I don't know...just asking.
I have no idea if she is still qualified to go back to nursing, or if she has to take refresher courses. That aside, would anyone want her to be their nurse? I can't imagine that her bedside manner is something that you'd want to write home about! I wonder, too, how she would get along with other nurses. She would have to work side by side with them, and with her arrogance I would think that she wouldn't be too pleasant a person with whom you'd want to work.
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There are mediocre teachers, nurses, presidents etc. People routinely leave nursing careers for various reasons and then return years later. there are refresher courses readily available to help nurses return to update skills and return to work. If she wanted to, she could absolutely get a job. People don't get hired solely based on their bedside manner. There is an expectation of professional behavior in every aspect of the job--it isn't a popularity contest.
We were -34 last night and now 10 degrees Fahrenheit.
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Minus 34 actual or windchill? Our windchill was ten below last night, and today we had a high of 17. Messy weather coming. They can't decide if it's all snow, rain, sleet, freezing rain and snow, or what, or even when this is coming. Was our groundhog drunk or nursing a hangover when he made his forecast?
I think it just kills people that Kate is an RN and had the intelligence to get through the program.
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I think Kate's smart but she acts dumb. I don't know how she was able to apply herself to get her certificate because she's bone lazy.
She's very cunning.
We going to get snow, sleet and freezing rain before it warms up and rains a ton.
Every year or so we cycle through the nursing saga.
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There's a lot we cycle through, child support, custody, payment for the kids, trust funds, child labor laws, Kate's failures, narcissism, etc. There may be some new posters who are interested in all of this, particularly the nursing, because they haven't been around when it was discussed before.
The Lititz Fire & Ice Festival is proud to announce that Jon Gosselin will be our celebrity chili judge during the 11th Annual Chili Cook off. Jon is best known for his time on TLC’s Jon & Kate Plus 8 but there is much more to his story. With 2 books coming out and a new story of what really happened, Jon is ready to move forward and show the world who he really is.
http://www.lititzfireandicefestival.com/
Intelligence and character are different things.
No tweets from TFW today? No pictures of microscopic servings of eggs with heart-shaped muffins? Could they be with their dad?
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We going to get snow, sleet and freezing rain before it warms up and rains a ton.
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I listened to the evening news/weather report and Mr. Weather Guy is covering all bases. Possible snow by 6 p.m. (really...when does it begin?) changing to all snow in the evening, with sleet and snow overnight, possibly all snow, with freezing rain on Tuesday morning changing to all rain and then maybe back to snow flurries.
Why don't they just say, "We're not sure what form the precipitation will take, or when it will start and end. Just look out your window."
I'll read Jon's books. Finally, Kate won't be in total control of the narrative.
Get ready for lots of sheep droppings.
Kevin used to do Kate's chores and take her punishments, right? Maybe someone sat for her nursing exams too. Snark.
reader said... 13
The Lititz Fire & Ice Festival is proud to announce that Jon Gosselin will be our celebrity chili judge during the 11th Annual Chili Cook off. Jon is best known for his time on TLC’s Jon & Kate Plus 8 but there is much more to his story. With 2 books coming out and a new story of what really happened, Jon is ready to move forward and show the world who he really is.
http://www.lititzfireandicefestival.com/
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GO JON!!
Thanks for posting, reader!
Tucker's Mom said... 10
I think it just kills people that Kate is an RN and had the intelligence to get through the program.
JR
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I think Kate's smart but she acts dumb. I don't know how she was able to apply herself to get her certificate because she's bone lazy.
She's very cunning.
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Thank you, Tucker's mom.
TFW is smart in a lot of ways and extremely dumb in others. Lazy and cunning, yes.
Suzanne Somers is a very smart woman. She could of not played Chrissy Snow without being smart. Poor Chrissy was as dumb as a box of hair. If SS was that dumb, she wouldn't of made it through the audition.
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Oh, yes, sorry,-34 windchill. The temp was -7 I think? Tonight's temp is predicted to be -8 F, ugh. But Tuesday, it will be in the 50s??? !
You're welcome Redbird! Made me smile!
With 2 books coming out and a new story of what really happened, Jon is ready to move forward and show the world who he really is.
Veeeeery interesting (said in my best Arte Johnson German spy voice).
Tucker's Mom said....
Get ready for lots of sheep droppings.
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Like your wording!
All things considered, I'll take Nurse Ratchet over Nurse Kate. While I agree that she did earn her original RN through hard work and she did take the same exam as those who got their RN through a BS program, taking classes online to keep your license current isn't the same as taking those same online classes while actually working in the field.
When will Gladys bring news of the book to TFW?
"Your EX writing a book? It'll be gobbledygook!
LOL#FiendishFather#WimpyBoy#LuckyKidsHaveGr8Mom"
There is an expectation of professional behavior in every aspect of the job--it isn't a popularity contest.
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Nobody said that it is, but I'll be darned if I want a supercilious nurse with the personality and warmth of a cold dishrag.
Kevin used to do Kate's chores and take her punishments, right? Maybe someone sat for her nursing exams too. Snark.
@Tucker's mom as long as Jon saids he didn't cheat and said that he and Kate just couldn't get along.Then the fans can't twist it and say hes blaming Kate.If i remember Jon did admit that he had regrets and remorse for the stuff he did in the past.I know the fans may call us hypocrites for forgiving Jon but not Kate but on the hand,some of them have forgiven Kate for the abuse she did but won't forgive Jon and plus if Kate was serious,i'd think she'd stop filming the crap out of her kids.
Jon, I've got my credit card ready to go! Just say the word and I will buy your book(s). Can't wait!
What Kate achieved with her AA/RN degree is a decent accomplishment, but nothing extraordinary, let's not give her academic sainthood for heaven's sake. It's a shame she did so little with her degree, but her life. And I am not really a hater; I have a BA and an MLS, but I do not consider that extraordinary either. Let's keep it real.
OrangeCrusher1
Fleecing The Sheeple (#27), at least a cold dishrag could offer you some comfort and relief if you have a fever. Nurse TFW just sticks you on the laundry room floor.
OT- I'm watching the 3rd series of Scott & Bailey on Amazon. It's like the British Cageny & Lacey. Top notch stuff.
fidosmommy said... 30
Jon, I've got my credit card ready to go! Just say the word and I will buy your book(s). Can't wait!
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ME TOO!!!
I have a BA and an MLS, but I do not consider that extraordinary either. Let's keep it real.
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I didn't know that you play soccer! ;)
Nurse TFW just sticks you on the laundry room floor.
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...and ignores her child's stomach pain for weeks; doesn't know when a wound should be sutured, won't get an x-ray of her daughter's ankle, and continues filming while her son is crying because of constipation.
Would she put down a comforter on that laundry room floor before she dumped you there?
@Tucker's mom as long as Jon saids he didn't cheat and said that he and Kate just couldn't get along.Then the fans can't twist it and say hes blaming Kate
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The fans can and do twist anything they want. They are master twisters and master deflectors.
Kevin used to do Kate's chores and take her punishments, right? Maybe someone sat for her nursing exams too. Snark.
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Maybe. She's pretty good with scooters in marathons.
"Your EX writing a book? It'll be gobbledygook!
LOL#FiendishFather#WimpyBoy#LuckyKidsHaveGr8Mom"
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LOL!! Love the hashtags. Actually, it would be "Your EX from HELL writing a book..."
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What Kate achieved with her AA/RN degree is a decent accomplishment, but nothing extraordinary, let's not give her academic sainthood for heaven's sake. It's a shame she did so little with her degree, but her life. And I am not really a hater; I have a BA and an MLS, but I do not consider that extraordinary either. Let's keep it real.
OrangeCrusher1
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I don't see anyone giving her academic sainthood. It was just pointed out that despite false claims to the contrary, Kate in fact did pursue and complete post-secondary education. And those in the profession are informing those who are not that a hospital diploma program RN is not a "lower" form of RN as has also been stated here repeatedly.
" It was just pointed out that despite false claims to the contrary, Kate in fact did pursue and complete post-secondary education."
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Nobody has disputed the fact that Kate isn't an RN.
The Walking Dead season premiere tonight was one of the best episodes ever. E.V.E.R. Looking forward to Better Call Saul tomorrow night.
There are trends in every career. Back when Kate went to nursing school, that was pretty normal and many jobs were open to you. The trend has changed and many employers are looking for the BSN degree rather than the nursing school. I have no idea how hard it would be for Kate to get a job. Nurses have a number of work-at-home options with reviewing medical records or clinical studies. I am not up to date on whether she would qualify for those without the BSN in today's climate. But it is pretty obvious she is not going to get a job. TLC (and all the viewers) owe her a living for allowing her to have 8 children. I have heard stories about her nursing (I get my medical care in the Reading area) and I am glad she's not working with patients any more.
OT, this time for cat people.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G4Sn91t1V4g
FlimsyFlamsy said... 15
No tweets from TFW today? No pictures of microscopic servings of eggs with heart-shaped muffins? Could they be with their dad?
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Flimsy, don't forget the flecks and specks of Feta cheese!
Oh, I hope they were at their dads this weekend.
Midnight madness said..
Nobody disputed that Kate is an RN.
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Who said that anyone did? This is the original post that sorted the conversation:
"TLC stinks said.....Neither parent went to college so are they just walking the walk about saving money for college?"
It is not a true statement to say that Kate never attended college.
Nobody has disputed the fact that Kate isn't an RN.
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I never said that anyone had, so I don't know why you made this comment.
While I give her due credit for getting her RN, I don't give her any credit for the way she dismissed the obvious concerns she should have had for her own children when they experienced illnesses.
bm
I really do hope it's true about Jon's upcoming book(s)! Sheep Land will look like a scene from Walking Dead after all the head explosions!
PatK (#49), I suspect the sheeple line will be,
how dare Jon profit off his children by writing
a book! While their idol has been doing so much worse by making the children film for more than a decade.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 50
PatK (#49), I suspect the sheeple line will be,
how dare Jon profit off his children by writing
a book! While their idol has been doing so much worse by making the children film for more than a decade.
February 15, 2016 at 10:28 AM
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No doubt. While I have always thought is that both J+K should have retreated to private lives and allowed the kids to recoup whatever privacy that wasn't left in the bottom of toilets and on boat decks, I've long since realized that the Gosselin children will never be granted this gift by Kate.
It now follows that Jon be allowed to express his truths, experiences and life lessons.
I believe Jon's account will be more like Jon- a bit less polished, more direct and more revealing. I think Jon's book(s) could put the issue of raising children on tv back into the public zeitgeist. Heaven knows Robert's book never broke through whatever impenetrable barrier put up by the many forces of TLC and Kate Gosselin.
I really believe Robert has is still tries to pull back the curtain.
This is a long overdue conversation that needs to be given more than the banal lip service of lollipop talking heads, chirping the latest headline-grabbing topics such as Kate banging the help.
No parent should ever be allowed to unilaterally decide that their minor charge's privacy is up for sale. Children are simply not able to give informed consent, which I have procured many times from adult research subjects when the worst possible predicted outcome is temporary muscle soreness.
I can not imagine an independent review board signing off on a trial which involves the very likely loss of long-term privacy and dignity to little children.
Especially when the benefit is purely material.
Flimsy, I think you are exactly right about the Sheep saying, How Dare Jon make money off the kids by writing a book! They would justify TFW's Decade of Filming the Kids with Adventures, Trips, and Fun Things To Do While Running In and Out of Frame!
TFW said, Who am I to say No? The Sheep would say,
#K8SayYesToTheFilming #DontTurnDownAGoodThing
#CarryOnKateWith8
@NJGal51 (42) Yes last episode was pretty crazy .Hoping the rest of the season is good as well.
"TLC stinks said.....Neither parent went to college so are they just walking the walk about saving money for college?"
It is not a true statement to say that Kate never attended college.
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Geez. Can't we just let this go and move on?
I think my comment was eaten!
Just wanted to say, Well said Tucker's Mom (51)!!
"It now follows that Jon be allowed to express his truths..." And yes indeed, "This is a long overdue conversation.."
We've only gotten sound bites and responses for several years. I am hoping he had some freedom in writing his thoughts without the heavy shadow of TLC hanging over him.
Tucker's Mom (#51), I appreciated your eloquent thoughts.
The sheeple seem oblivious to the detrimental aspects of filming. They can only see things in terms of benefits -- cool trips, a great house, a good education, and a mom who doesn't have to work full time. But what about the persistent invasion of those children's privacy for the public's enjoyment? For every half hour episode, dozens of hours are filmed. Multiply that by a decade, and it's almost unfathomable that this treatment of minors has been allowed to continue.
The harm that's been done to these kids cannot be measured. If any of them ever do sue, how can you quantify what they've lost?
@Tucker's mom If only Kate got the duggar treatment,but sadly she didn't.Im not saying the public is still into her,despite milo's delusional claim that most of America still cares about Kate.There are over 318 million people in this country and Kate's show gets around 1 million(maybe less if the little couple did help her rank views.)thats like less then 1% of the American population that still cares.
.There are over 318 million people in this country and Kate's show gets around 1 million(maybe less if the little couple did help her rank views.)thats like less then 1% of the American population that still cares.
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But it's not known if they "care" for her (as in love her and are big fans), or if they are just watching to see how nasty she is and how she treats her children.
In tears.
Jackson Browne singing Take It Easy for Glenn Frye!!
Great tribute, Eagles!
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Neither parent went to college so are they just walking the walk about saving money for college?"
It is not a true statement to say that Kate never attended college.
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Geez. Can't we just let this go and move on?
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What does it matter to us? How many times can this be gone over?????
What does it matter to us? How many times can this be gone over?????
I'm just guessing...till the cows come home...till hell freezes over?
Rhymes with Witch said... 44
OT, this time for cat people.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G4Sn91t1V4g
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Thanks for pointing these out Rhymes.
If only all commercials were as good as these Friskies ones.....
FlimsyFlamsy said... 56
Tucker's Mom (#51), I appreciated your eloquent thoughts.
The sheeple seem oblivious to the detrimental aspects of filming. They can only see things in terms of benefits -- cool trips, a great house, a good education, and a mom who doesn't have to work full time. But what about the persistent invasion of those children's privacy for the public's enjoyment? For every half hour episode, dozens of hours are filmed. Multiply that by a decade, and it's almost unfathomable that this treatment of minors has been allowed to continue.
The harm that's been done to these kids cannot be measured. If any of them ever do sue, how can you quantify what they've lost?
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That's the problem. Shepple don't think the kids have lost anything. They don't see them as real live children, they see them as characters living out their (the sheeples) dreams of being rich and famous.
Has TFW only tweeted twice since the last episode aired -- the school of fish tweet, and the Shoka's indoors tweet? Or did I miss some other ones in between?
At least she won't complain about a 5 a.m. wake-up call tomorrow. School is on a two-hour delay...that is, if they are at home!
It's nasty out there. Freezing rain and roads are a mess. The good thing is that it's supposed to be 50 degrees and all rain tomorrow, but then we'back to this cycle of icy roads at night. I'm surprised that she hasn't checked in with her tweetie buddies, in search of someone with whom to commiserate.
If I remember, Kate doesn't post pictures of things they filmed. So we didn't get our usual super bowl or valentine's pictures. I don't think it means they were with their dad.
If Jon publishes a book, the sheeple will say how horrible he is because the children deserve privacy. We'll need a rolling eyes emoji.
I guess we know what any home-based kids will be doing if the driveway is slick. It has to do with 8 scoops and 8 buckets of ice melt. "Mommy has exceptionally essential to and fro's to generate! Get out there and melt something!"
Where is Admin to move us along? Let's not start looking like sheepie. Some think it's admirable Kate went on to become an RN, some feel her motivation was suspect. Some consider her nursing courses equal to that of college, some do not.
I agree time to move on
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I'm here!
That's a fair summary to me. Agree that it's time to agree to disagree and move on! :)
IRBs sign off on research involving children all the time. Are you opposed to all research involving children, since they can never give informed consent?
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The poster said they were against research that involved violating a child's privacy and dignity. I'm not aware of the IRB signing off on something like that in recent memory. That would violate ethical guidelines.
I think the consensus among most people here is that there are very real dangers for child actors they are just as concerned about as they are for reality TV children. You need only watch the news to see the result of being a child star or listen to grown adults like the Olsen twins talk about their experiences (they felt like trained monkeys, and are so upset about their childhoods on set they refused to participate in Fuller House). However, there are much, much better protections in place for child actors. Including in most states, an on set advocate who watches out for a child who is too tired or stressed to do a scene, clocks their hours and schooling down to the second, and ensures they are never subjected to anything unsafe, uncomfortable, or humiliating. In many states like CA, I'm not sure what else could be added to the law to protect these children short of banning child acting all together, which I recognize is not realistic. At certain ages in CA, you can barely work but a few hours before you're done for the day.
I'm here!
That's a fair summary to me. Agree that it's time to agree to disagree and move on! :)
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Yay, and yay.
OT- Better Call Saul started last night. It was great to see Saul again, although I'm at a bit of a loss to know what's going through that scheming head of his.
Maggie Smith has never been funnier in Downton Abbey than this season. I hope we see more of her.
This is a decade-long experiment on minor children. Not in a laboratory, not in a private facility, but on national TV. And it is not being done to offer physical, mental, or emotional help to other children, or to future generations. So I find any comparison to genuine clinical research experiments to be far-fetched.
And while it seems unfathomable that anyone would give informed consent to this experiment, a greedy TV network, and a horrible mother have agreed, and continue to agree to it. And as long as they continue, I am going to voice my opinion about it.
I hope this is far enough removed from the nursing discussion but regarding Kate's intelligence, I don't think she's smart. I think she's of average intelligence. Kate's biggest problem is laziness. She is rarely up to her potential because she has no drive or desire to be. She would rather email 100 companies begging for freebies than go work in a hospital and make a difference for some patients and stimulate and challenge herself intellectually in the medical field.
She sounds dumb about current events not because she doesn't understand them but because she doesn't inform herself. There's a difference between being dumb and being uninformed. But if she were forced to study a newspaper and then take a quiz I have no doubt she would do just fine on the quiz. She just doesn't WANT to be informed.
We saw moments of creativity and intelligence on Celebrity Apprentice, when she felt like applying herself. So, it's there.
Oh, and I do think her motives for being a nurse were largely to get a man, a doctor. And that fits perfectly into the idea that when she has motivation, whether it's to get a man, or get freebies, or win CA, or whatever, she will apply herself and accomplish things.
She is not motivated by the personal satisfaction of a hard day's work, of challenging herself intellectually, of the joy of learning new things and being aware of the world, of the accomplishment of higher education. Those things don't do it for her, never have.
I liked Better Call Saul last night. It occurred to me Saul likes the fun and thrill of a good scam, of playing a part and executing. That's more important to him than whatever the takeaway is.
But he's also realizing it's not as fun to do this by himself. He wants a partner in crime.
Good points about what Twitter is:
Stephen Fry, host of Sunday's British Academy Film Awards, has quit Twitter after users of the platform criticized his on-air joke about costume designer Jenny Beavan being dressed like a "bag lady."
In a blog post, the British actor, writer and comedian said he was deactivating his account because Twitter has become a "stagnant pool" littered with scum and other hazards.
"Even if you negotiate the sharp rocks you'll soon feel that too many people have peed in the pool for you to want to swim there any more. The fun is over," he wrote.
Fry: No need for 'panty-wetting' over Oscars diversity
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"Let us grieve at what twitter has become. A stalking ground for the sanctimoniously self-righteous who love to second-guess, to leap to conclusions and be offended -- worse, to be offended on behalf of others they do not even know."
IRBs sign off on research involving children all the time. Are you opposed to all research involving children, since they can never give informed consent?
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Reductio ad absurdum. However, I do appreciate your tacit acknowledgement that this "reality" tv genre of invasively filming children's lives in situ, over the course of virtually their entire minor lives, is experimental, whereby outcomes, are at this point, inherently unknown.
Primum non nocere: words that all parents should live by.
Chrissakes, the dropping are increasing. I need a pair of Wellies.
We saw moments of creativity and intelligence on Celebrity Apprentice, when she felt like applying herself. So, it's there.
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I think Kate was highly coached by Steve. Never understood how she could basically have so much help.
We've been saying Twitter is a cesspool for awhile now.
I think you have to possess a good deal of self control to no get sucked into the childish back and forth.
It's too easy to misspeak, lash out and simply act much lower than your actual age.
In other words, the perfect sandbox for Kate and Deanna.
Although, it seems even Kate can't get her narc supply from it as she once did. Another social media experiment bites the dust.
Tucker's Mom (#75), drop the mic, sister!
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Tucker's Mom (#75), drop the mic, sister!
February 16, 2016 at 6:30 AM
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Tucker's Mom, out.
Nah, I'll be around all day. Don't forget to tip your waitresses (as they said in the 1980's).
This is a decade-long experiment on minor children.
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Without the regular protections, ethical considerations and safeguards of real experiments done on children by researchers.
If Jon releases a book I don't think it is going to revolve around raising the kids. That whole story line has been beaten to death by Kate and nothing Jon could say will untwist the way Kate has portrayed herself as the sole provider for the eight kids.
Instead I think Jon is going to go into the background of how a family with good intentions went completely off the tracks when fame and money struck and they weren't prepared for the consequences. I would look for Jon to go into detail of how thankful he was that the locals supported their needs but then Kate and TLC started pushing filming, promotions, $25K speaking fees, etc. on the family. The regular trips by Kate and Steve while Jon stayed with the kids had to raise suspicions too. Maybe Jon has some proof about an affair he will release.
Kate's true colors as a narcissistic sociopath came through and she made unilateral decisions that were not in the best interest of the family. That is what lead to the demise of Jon and Kate's relationship. Jon will also likely go into some more details of the various innuendos, threats, suits, and injunctions Kate and TLC got to guarantee he had no say in when the kids were filmed.
I don't think Jon will ever go into specifics about his relationship with particular children. He is going to protect their privacy to the best of his ability. I think the book will be an expose on Kate's and TLC's destruction of their marriage in pursuit of the almighty dollar.
Instead I think Jon is going to go into the background of how a family with good intentions went completely off the tracks when fame and money struck and they weren't prepared for the consequences
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Kate always boils it down to the self-serving and overly-simplified axiom: You'd do it to.
It's false. Patently false.
Kate's mantra that filming would stop if anyone didn't want to film anymore was also false, and I'd love for that to be widely known.
If Jon, a grown man, couldn't make it stop, how can any of the kids?
Oh, and I do think her motives for being a nurse were largely to get a man, a doctor. And that fits perfectly into the idea that when she has motivation, whether it's to get a man, or get freebies, or win CA, or whatever, she will apply herself and accomplish things.
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In swimming terms, Kate is a sprinter as opposed to a distance swimmer. She dives in, swims like mad for a short race and then is done. 1,650 meter (32 lengths of an Olympic sized pool) swimmers pace themselves to keep going with a strong but unfrenzied stroke, methodically moving through the water. Less scurry, more endurance.
One of the many reasons I chose not to undergo fertility treatments. Fatigue is one of the leading symptoms reported among women with PCOS. We really have to limit carb and fat intake. I watch every bite, I am on metformin, a drug commonly prescribed for diabetes. My blood
sugar, A1c is tested every 6 months. My health and weight are good and still I find I get tired more quickly than anyone I know! I am a distance runner, and a nap taker too. My mind is always going.
Sometimes I have high energy days where I can't sit still, others I am dragging. Blood sugar and
hormones. When I was younger I was depressed, also common with PCOS. Knowing all of this, being aware of it...and other reasons. I thought it best to not to do fertility treatments.
It upsets me that Kate did not share any information on pcos when she had a platform to do so! PCOS is about a lot more than infertility. Lots of women go undiagnosed into their 30's. Metformin for many is a life saver. Important to keep weight down. So much she might have shared.
Oh well, going back to my slushy corner on the veranda....
I meant to say the many symptoms of pcos, are among the reasons I did not choose fertility treatments. Fatigue is one of the leading symptoms. Also were the risks, family medical history, the cost, and our financial ability at the time.
Typing on an iPad it is difficult to see the start of my post by the time I've finished my ramblings!
Many women with PCOS think Kate could have really made a difference in raising awareness and funding for treatment, but she's only managed to use it as her reason for doing fertility treatments.
Odd that she's never addressed PCOS during one of her "Ask Kate" snooze fests. But of course she's managed to take the time to talk about her tanning, spa routine and clothing size.
You know, meaningful stuff.
I don't know what's been happening to my posts today but I'll try one more topi me and then move on.
TFW did attend and graduate from an accredited hospital degree program and was awarded her RN.
TFW did take the state exam required to be certified and she does take the necessary classes to keep her certification current.
So even though she did not (technically speaking) attend a four year college and get a BS (even though she's full of it), she did get the necessary training to become an RN.
That being said, I don't think I'd want her to be my nurse since we've all seen how she treats her sick kids and she "hearts" them.
I still wonder if Katie's pcos was/is self diagnosed, like her alleged ocd.
IF she did have ocd (she doesn't), she also could have had a platform for addressing its debilitating nature. Psychiatric diagnoses still carry an unnecessary stigma.
"The" IRB? There is no single entity known as "the IRB." It's not like the IRS. I don't think you know what an IRB is. How could you possibly know what every IRB in the country has or has not approved? There are thousands of them.
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Institutional review boards. IRB. Or IRBs. Whatever is your pleasure.
I'm curious why this is ok:
"Let us grieve at what twitter has become. A stalking ground for the sanctimoniously self-righteous who love to second-guess, to leap to conclusions and be offended -- worse, to be offended on behalf of others they do not even know."
Yet, what I posted was removed.
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I haven't removed any of your posts.
Thank you for proving my point. The Olsen twins experience was with strict labor laws. So if you believe the Olsen twins were harmed and that that is a typical child actor experience, then you should not be watching any television show or movie featuring a child after or you are a hypocrite.
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I don't agree with that. I think a person can have concerns and objections to things without engaging in a straight boycott. The world is not that simple.
There's a lot I don't agree with when it comes to the IRS but I still pay my taxes. I don't particularly like my state senators, but I still live in California. I would object if Hillary Clinton is elected president, but I'm not about to whine and say I'm moving to Canada. If everyone who doesn't actively boycott anything they take issue with is a hypocrite, so be it.
Tucker's Mom... Agree about Maggie Smith in Downton Abbey. She is a whipper snapper. Hubs and I just saw her in the movie The Lady in the Van. It started out slow but enjoyed it. She is a fabulous actress.
"The" IRB? There is no single entity known as "the IRB." It's not like the IRS. I don't think you know what an IRB is. How could you possibly know what every IRB in the country has or has not approved? There are thousands of them.
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Who is posting these snippy comments, mainly addressed to admin? Are these sheeple droppings?
That being said, I don't think I'd want her to be my nurse since we've all seen how she treats her sick kids and she "hearts" them.
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I really have to agree with that. Someone said more or less bedside manner really isn't that important in a nurse. Well, it should be, and I think for a lot of medical facilities it is something they consider in hiring. It is especially important to women when it comes to their obgyn and their team. One bad nurse can ruin a woman's delivery experience let alone a snippy doctor.
For me, bedside manner is actually probably the second most important factor just after their medical expertise. Like a lot of people I don't like hospitals, and after going through some stomach issues for a couple years with several tests and being put under twice, it was extremely important to me I had a doctor and a team of nurses who were kind and understanding and I felt safe with. I just don't think I could have dealt with someone gruff and insensitive.
If I'm not mistaken Kate worked in the labor and delivery ward where I believe a kind word and gentle touch from all medical staff are crucial.
It upsets me that Kate did not share any information on pcos when she had a platform to do so!
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It's too bad, I agree with you. Not that she is obligated to, but I believe if you have a platform to speak to a lot of people you should think seriously about how you can make a difference. What will be your cause? How will you change the world even a little bit? There are many other examples of celebrities who have done great things with their fame. She has done nothing. When you only use your fame to defend your motherhood and exploit your not-cute-anymore back-talking kids, is that really anything for the history books?
Farrah's Mom Debra (my favorite hot mess) from Teen Mom said the tooth fairy didn't come for their dog's lost tooth because animals have no souls.
She really needs to meet Kate.
Still waiting for you to explain how you could know what thousands of IRBs have or have not approved, as you claimed.
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Well, they have their ethical guidelines. If you're so sure of this why don't YOU prove they have approved unethical child experiments in recent memory? You're the one disputing this, YOU do the work to find anything that would prove me wrong that an IRB has, any time recently, approved an unethical experiment on children.
Bedside manner is very important for a nurse. I've been hospitalized many times. A nurse does not have to be a softie or touchy feely. What is very important are listening skills. The nurse needs to listen to what a patient says, process it, and be clear she is open to more communication. Nurses are on the front lines and the patient needs to feel comfortable saying what she feels. I've had many great nurses (and a few bad ones.)
. A nurse does not have to be a softie or touchy feely. What is very important are listening skills. The nurse needs to listen to what a patient says, process it, and be clear she is open to more communication. Nurses are on the front lines and the patient needs to feel comfortable saying what she feels. I've had many great nurses (and a few bad ones.)
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Absolutely. And speaking of communication I appreciated when my nurses and doctors took the tiny bit of extra time to say things like this is going to sting, you can squeeze my hand or the pillow if you want. On three. Instead of just sticking you.
I, along with countless others, could write a book about the difference between nurses who do the work because they love being nurses and those who just go through the technical business of following doctors' orders. I/we have had both and everything in between.
I'll take an Aunt Jodi type nurse every time.
I've had some wonderful nurses, warm and caring and too often overworked. Fortunately I can say I've had only a few who were cold, seemingly indifferent to my situation.
Nothing compares to human kindness in times of fear.
I'll say this and I'll be done. Kate had a platform to talk about pcos. She took for granted the gift modern medicine gave her. She demanded the the commonwealth of Pennsylvania take care of her family! She must have known the general lack of understanding of the disease at the time. Not a word. She was willing to travel to churches where she was paid thousands to speak about how GOD wanted this for her, but not one support group,not one day at a local hospital to talk about how scientific research and modern medicine had made this happen.
She's a self serving hypocrite.
I'll say this for the little couple, Dr. Arnold is very involved in giving back.
This essay details the experiences of a child, now a college grad, growing up as the daughter of one of the Real Housewives of New Jersey. I hope it's not a repost.
https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/growing-up-as-the-daughter-of-a-real-housewife#
I actually do not not doubt she suffers from PCOS because besides the symptoms and examination, the blood tests would not lie. I believe she used this, though, to push for fertility treatments early in the marriage instead of being more conservative. Some women are able to conceive naturally with PCOS. Why the rush and why risk multiples? Hmmmm
i wonder did Kate credit God for her tummy tuck and really good bra?!
Guess the churches weren't interested.
Done. As always, thanks for letting me vent.
" Every story arc needs an antagonist and a protagonist—that is what creates the conflict and resolution, i.e. the drama."
Used to be you'd have to be a novitiate to not know how reality tv shows are made. I get that J+K didn't realize at first, how the tension between them would become the driving force behind their great success.
Now, Kate knows that she is not enough and has ushered in her own daughter, Mady, to take Jon's place and provide the conflict and "rub" the show needs.
Just look at the reactions Mady gets.
It's really sickening and I wonder if Mady "gets" her role in the show. I wonder if she gets that she's been branded "the bitch" since she was very young.
This reputation WILL follow Mady. She'll be seen as sardonic, blithe, uncooperative, selfish, uncaring and disrespectful to authority figures.
Thanks for the link.
https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/growing-up-as-the-daughter-of-a-real-housewife#
That article by a Real Housewife's daughter was very well thought and should be taken as a stern warning.
I can see Mady writing something like that when she grows up. She was cast as the villain in much the same way this particular family was. The psychological damage that does to a child is without measure.
I think Kate lied her ass off about having PCOS as an excuse to do fertility treatments but that's just my opinion
Handinhand (#104), thank you for that link. That was a powerful piece.
Think of how much that girl suffered, and she wasn't even the star of the show. She wasn't a Real Housewife -- she was the daughter of one. And now think about those 8 children who have
been the "8" in the title of a reality show for
a decade now, with no end in sight.
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I think Kate lied her ass off about having PCOS as an excuse to do fertility treatments but that's just my opinion
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I agree. If anything, Kate diagnosed herself, which benefited her wanting to go on fertility meds.
I agree, too. If she was pregnant in her teens, even if she suspected she had PCOS for some reason ( and I don't believe that), then wouldn't she think fertility was not an issue? She was still quite young.
http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/duggars-reality-tv-show-tlc-90985
Seven months after TLC canceled 19 Kids and Counting in the wake of Josh Duggar’s molestation scandal, the Duggars were spotted filming once again, In Touch is exclusively reporting.
I see women in the ER all the time with metformin complications. Be it for type 2 diabetes, and overweight, or PCOS. Metformin interacts with so many other meds, doctors once thought it was a wonder drug with all it off label uses. UGG, I hate mismanagement of drugs.
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A pt asked me a few weeks ago if I enjoy what I do, and my automatic response was, yes, very much so. When work lulled a bit, I was telling this to my co-worker, another great career nurse, and I said you know, I really don't like it as much as I did.
Ladies, I got into the medical field for all the right reasons. But healthcare has changed so much. Our facility is required to take anyone who comes to our ER, regardless of ability to pay. We treat strep throat on kids whose parents think coming to the ER is faster. We treat drug seekers who take up so much of our time. We treat criminals and thugs, pysch pts. nursing home neglects, and when the stroke pts come in and the traumas, the heart pts and such we are so bogged down it is down right scary. We hire kids right of school who have not a clue.
And yet, our facilty, a top notch facilty mandates us to treat every pt like they were are only one. I wish!!! To use the open ended statement, "Is there anything else I can do for you?", takes us down an unending rabbit hole. For example, can my friend get a coke and a blanket? Can you find the movie station for me? I don't like this room. This blood pressure cuff is too tight. It goes on and on in one room. It seems like the poor and uninsured are the most demanding and don't even get me started on the illegals. All in a days work, and terribly understaffed.
No, I don't like my current work environment, but ususally on every shift, I make a solid save and connection with someone and it keeps me going. If we spend too much time with a pt we are reprimanded. If we spend not enough time, we are reprimanded. All this too say, if you don't have an emergency, please don't go to the ER. Not only will it cost you a fortune in time and money....we will run every possible test and exam to CYA. Lets save the ER for trauma, strokes and heart attacks. Most everything else an Instcare can handle.
RANT over.
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