The Gosselin’s marriage dissolves on TV. When the couple weaponize their fame in a messy divorce, they fracture the image of the perfect American family. Watch the full episode here on Vice.
Saturday, July 29, 2023
JON & KATE PLUS 8: FAMILY CIRCUS on Vice TV
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Did Hannah say anything else in the episode? I know she talked about how Collin was frequently separated from the group and that she doesn’t feel he was taught what behavior was appropriate vs. inappropriate (interesting comment, btw). Did she have anything else to say?
I have been thinking a lot about the separation issue and how if you have a son with social struggles, isolating him from his 7 siblings is the WORST possible thing you can do:
1. It gives the other kids reason to fear him and an essentially excuse to ostracize him
2. It negatively impacts his self-esteem
3. It prevents him from practicing appropriate problem-solving and self-regulation.
What exactly did she think was going to happen if God forbid she let Collin have dinner with his siblings? Did she think he would pick them off one by one? Come on. If anything, it’s clear on the show that he desperately seeked his siblings’ approval, as well as Kate’s—remember when he made that comment to Aaden, “We’re the boys!” He also said something to Aaden about how much he loved spending time with him.
So why not have a behavioral therapist come over a couple times a week to monitor Collin’s interactions with his siblings, help him work through his emotions during times of frustration , help him learn healthy means of dealing with conflict? Although it may have been a bit awkward for him at first, it’s sure as hell better than keeping him on an entirely different schedule than his brothers and sisters.
Any minute The Gosselin kids will be thanking Robert Hoffman for his book
I have been thinking a lot about the separation issue and how if you have a son with social struggles, isolating him from his 7 siblings is the WORST possible thing you can do:
1. It gives the other kids reason to fear him and an essentially excuse to ostracize him
2. It negatively impacts his self-esteem
3. It prevents him from practicing appropriate problem-solving and self-regulation.
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It's the worst thing you can do. This is why special education classes stopped being a separate class in most school districts who have any understanding of psychology, and moved toward integration in the 80s and 90s. When you isolate a child who is so highly dependent on their peers and others to form their well being, the isolation itself can worsen the problem you were trying to help in the first place. While brief separation may be necessary to immediately correct an issue and reset, using it as a long term solution is deeply psychologically damaging.
And good point about the message it sent to the siblings. Children are highly suggestible, and the more that you reinforce the fear, the bigger it gets.
Most studies have found that integration helped kids without special needs just as much as it helped those with it, which just proves the above points.
Admin (#3), and to separate a sextuplet from his
5 siblings with whom he shared a womb seems
even more deeply traumatic, as well as incredibly
cruel.
I wonder if the 4 with Kate, the ones who seem incapable of thinking for themselves, will be headed off to college in a couple weeks. Anyone hear what these now adult siblings are planning for their future? They seem so dependent on Kate.
M.
@Anonymous (5) IIRC there was a video on instagram where Alexis said she's studying zoology to work for animals.I think Leah said she wants to open a bakery one day.I'm unsure what Aaden and Joel want to do.
Hi flimsyflamsy! Thinking back to the days of St. Tony of the Ballroom who had to drag Shopping Kart around the floor seems so long ago! I hope the now adult children will be able to navigate adulthood. A young man we know went into Marines few years ago and loves it.
Jon said he has a girlfriend of two years.
https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/jon-gosselin-goes-public-with-his-secret-girlfriend-of-2-years/
I'm so glad at least Collin and Hannah are being exposed to a health relationship in which a good relationship can come to a natural end and you can still love and support each other (and the kids involved) and even welcome in a new and healthy relationship.
His girlfriend sounds mature and sweet.
I'm reminded of Kate's stupid, stupid dating show.
Is Kate at the beach? https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8LYnJwo/
I think that is Kate and some of the girls.
There's something absolutely sinister about
blaming Collin for taking time away from his
siblings. What if, heaven forbid, he'd had cancer
and needed to be taken for chemo? Would she
have been pissed off at that, too? Families all
over the planet have to work around the challenges
of having a child who requires extra attention.
And I suspect in many cases, it brings everyone
closer together, and siblings learn about
patience and compassion and gratitude for
the things they do have.
And I can't help but remember TFW writing in
her journal how she grabbed Collin by the hair
and beat him to the point she wasn't sure she
could stop. He was a TODDLER. What heinous
act could he have been capable of to deserve
that beating? And all these years later, she is
still so comfortable casting him as the villain.
It's sinister. And does she think kids struggling like him don't KNOW they're taking time away from their siblings? Of course they know! It's your job as a NOT A SHIT PARENT to reassure and support them that this is not something for them to worry about and to make them feel like their needs are a priority for your attention and not a "piece of the pie that they're stealing away from another kid." And to reassure and support the siblings as well who have their own complicated feelings about things like this.
And she has quite the nerve to talk about taking time away from other kids when she shot for a high risk of multiples pregnancy after already having twins, knowing full well if it was twins or more, there would be very little time for any one individual child as it is.
Whoa, if that is in fact Kate in the beach pic, then she's even chunkier than she was the last time she was pictured (outside the gym in NC). Now, for anyone else it wouldn't be worth mentioning, but after all her nasty fat-shaming of Jon on the show, I think it deserves a mention, don't you?
It looks like a couple of the girls on one side of her, and it also looks like there are more chairs on the other side of her--perhaps the boys. I wonder whether the kids dutifully thanked her a million times for this little vacay, or have they finally figured out that they are the ones paying for it. They have to know by now, right?
It seems Jon's former partner Colleen has mad a statement: I recently learned of derogatory statements made about Collin Gosselin and felt compelled to defend him. These statements were made by family members who have been estranged from his life since he was 12. Collin is not only someone I love dearly but has also been a significant figure in my family’s life. He is currently at boot camp for the Marines and he's unable to defend himself.
After Jon and I separated, and Jon moved out, Collin lived with me until he turned 18 so I saw him every day He thrived and was always kind and respectful . He never talked back to me. He was never violent and is far from being considered dangerous. He is there for me when I need him, even bringing me white roses every time he visits.
I could tag a multitude of people who have spent time with Collin, and they would all attest to what an amazing person he is. He has overcome more challenges than any one person should ever have to endure. Despite being institutionalized for 3 years alone with only 3 visits from his mother and not receiving proper education, he achieved a 4.0 GPA and won the highest GPA award at his ROTC banquet. I'm so incredibly proud of his accomplishments.
Collin's dream to join the Marines seemed impossible given his background, but he never gave up. He went off all medication two years ago and continued to thrive in school and working jobs. He sought private psychiatric evaluations as an adult that disproved all the previous diagnoses. It was his determination that led him to the Marines, where he's now fulfilling his dream. He wouldn't be there if he hadn't proved those diagnoses wrong.
I have received letters from Collin during his time in boot camp, and he admits that it is challenging, but he is happy and proud to be there. He is a testament to strength and courage, and I am honored to have him in my life. Collin will always be part of my family, and I'll support him, no matter what comes our way. That's what family does. The truth about Collin's character deserves praise, not unfounded accusations from those estranged from his life.
From Dmasy -- Well, that is a very profound statement from Colleen. Testimony to a relationship that ended maturely. Collin has a strong advocate and a loving second mother.
Kate is truly a horrible person to have said what she did.
Colleen you're AWESOME. And I'm very sorry that you've been put in a position where the own biological mother of a child you care about is cutting him down. Thank you for building him back up.
Kate doesn't know what a wonderful young man he has become because she doesn't CARE to know. Colleen knows.
A mother's love need not be from the biological egg donor.
He sought private psychiatric evaluations as an adult that disproved all the previous diagnoses.
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This is getting more sinister. Did Kate strong-arm certain evaluations and diagnosis to help get him out of the home? She certainly made no discernible effort to try to get him back. Once he was gone that was it for her.
Having had my own child now, I'm rather astounded at how much the medical establishment relies on self reporting from parents in forming their opinions. In my case it was just some minor nervous system delays that corrected themselves, but it struck me that I could say whatever I want about her and they write that down. The power of that is scary in the wrong hands.
One thing is certain, Kate has backed herself into a corner with her statement. She just proved her hostility towards her son is what created the issues within the home. In any event it did nothing to win the public over to her side and she would have been much further ahead if she had kept silent. I am still reeling that she was unwilling at the time to see if Jon would agree to have him live with him as opposed to having him institutionalized. I guess healthy coparenting was never going to be conducive to filming a "reality" show.
Mady insinuated that Collin has exhibited hate toward minorities/LGBTQ people. But Colleen’s son commented he loves Collin and reposted her post into his story. If you go to his page and his Twitter account he appears to be an openly gay, liberal young man (of color?) lol
“ Having had my own child now, I'm rather astounded at how much the medical establishment relies on self reporting from parents in forming their opinions. In my case it was just some minor nervous system delays that corrected themselves, but it struck me that I could say whatever I want about her and they write that down. The power of that is scary in the wrong hands.”
I’m listening to a podcast right now about Munchausen (factecious) by proxy and they make this point. It’s called “Nobody should believe me”
Mama C (#16), thank you so much for bringing that
statement to us. Colleen has nothing to gain by
making anything up, so I don't doubt her comments
for a second. What lovely things she has to say
about Collin!
Dmasy (#17), I think Colleen was Collin's ONLY
mother. TFW was his gestational carrier, and
semingly not much more. A woman who once
admitted if she had it to do all over again --
meaning, having those 6 children -- she wouldn't.
On another note, even if he was currently suffering from mental health issues and was not in the military, it doesn’t make him a bad young man, a bad child, or deserving of Kate’s wrath. The love a child needs, craves, should not be contingent on the things they struggle with, you piece of garbage, Kate.
The love a child needs, craves, should not be contingent on the things they struggle with, you piece of garbage, Kate.
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I totally agree with this, and may I add that the love a child needs (and deserves) should not be contingent upon that child's ability to work and support their parent. Kate saw Collin as an impediment to filming, and as a result she cast him aside, just as she did to her family, her friends, her husband. Anyone who gets in the way of filming is an enemy to her, and that includes her own son.
Military boot camp is challenging, both physically and mentally. Yet there Collin is, fighting his way through it an apparently doing so successfully. There's no way someone with the profound mental issues Kate describes could make it through that.
Mady implied that Collin was prejudices against minorities and LGBYQ, huh? And how would she know? She hasn't seen him since he was 11. All the stories claim he was sent away at 12, but he wasn't there for the 12th birthday episode, which Kate described as the best ever. Anyway, I think it's fair to say that Mady has no idea what Collin thinks or feels about anything. Time for her to shut her mouth and quit talking about things she knows nothing about.
I'm so happy Colleen spoke up and that she's in Collin's life. He deserves it after what he got for a bio mother.
I’m glad too Colleen said family MEMBERS are running their mouth about him. Mady deserves to be included and called out. Instead of going to a therapist or trusted adult to discuss her complicated feelings about her brother she decided to trash his character instead and it was pure and simple wrong. Thank you Colleen again.
proxy and they make this point. It’s called “Nobody should believe me”
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On this topic Take Care of Maya on Netflix was worth a watch and definitely struck me as someone who has prosecuted about two I think munchausen by proxy cases over my career. We just don't file them that much, they are very difficult to prove.
In any event it did nothing to win the public over to her side and she would have been much further ahead if she had kept silent
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I would have welcomed a short and simple statement saying that she loves him very very much, and she is committed to doing the same hard work in therapy he has done to someday have a healthy reconciliation, if and when HE is ready to see her.
Fat chance.
I’m glad too Colleen said family MEMBERS are running their mouth about him. Mady deserves to be included and called out. Instead of going to a therapist or trusted adult to discuss her complicated feelings about her brother she decided to trash his character instead and it was pure and simple wrong. Thank you Colleen again.
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Yes! How dare she lash out against a person she hasn't seen or spoken to in 8 years? He was a child when he was sent away, and now he is an adult. But Mady just couldn't help herself, could she? She appears to be a nasty piece of work, just like her mother.
Colleen. Wow. Good for her!
What a stand up thing to do.
It reminds me of Robert Hoffman, who fought so hard for Colin.
Wow! I am crying happy tears over Colleen’s statement. What an incredible woman and role model. Suck on that, Kate and Mady.
Also, what kind of a mother lets her son join the MARINES without extending any sort of olive branch, any attempt at mending the relationships? I know he’s just in boot camp now, but it’s pretty much nonstop training for recruits, from everything I have heard.
I have no doubt that Collin will be just fine and will return safely someday after his service, but what kind of parent even takes that chance?!
From Dmasy -- a whole breakdown of the Gosselin story is here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApWWBi1h8rI
Check out Colleen’s post about Collin. Good for her.
Yes! How dare she lash out against a person she hasn't seen or spoken to in 8 years? He was a child when he was sent away, and now he is an adult. But Mady just couldn't help herself, could she? She appears to be a nasty piece of work, just like her mother.
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For her to say no speaking unless it's cleared with all the siblings, and then to turn around and trash Collin, is simply incomprehensible.
I posted here a few times. I am actually living a real Kaye gosselin situation.
We are raising our 3 grandkids. The mom doesn’t give 2 shits. She only cares about herself. Rewind. She’s not my daughter. My son had mental issues & he’s working at it.
Fast forward. 2 of the kids are extreme autistic. I could never in my life think about sending them away. One of the kids was born with a handicap. But he’s normal for him. Their mom never cared for them. We’ve had custody for a few years now. Possibly adopting to keep their mom from screwing them up more.
That said, you don’t give up on your kids. Just, no. Collin is just beginning to heal. It won’t happen overnight. Maybe one day, he might be the kid to put her in a good home. Then he can sit there & read that book back to her. But I think Collin might be better than that. Lol.
Kids grow up. We, as adults, guide them. We don’t own them. You raise kids. You only get on chance to do it too. They are humans. Not your money makers, not your best friend. I’m raising 3 of my grandkids. I don’t get to be granny. (Ok I lied) I play granny sometimes. But I have to be the adult. Something Kate has never done.
I deal with autism daily. It’s not easy or fun. But we don’t give up or send them away.
If at 12 Collin did’nt want to film anymore, she could keep filming and do not show Collin. Same as in the Kardashian when Rob, Kiley or Kendall did not want to film. I sometimes think Collin and Alexis never went with the other four to Jon’s weekend looking forward to spend more one in one time with Mommy. So sad this story. Luna
I've been thinking of those who have hung out on our porch who are no longer with us. Dwindle, who passed away last May, and others. And how much it would have warmed their hearts to see Collin come through this all such a beautiful young man who is now serving his country.
You know another glaring clue that Kate never intended to welcome Collin back was the way she dismantled the chicken coop after he left. That was his baby, and she knew he was going to be gone permanently so she took it down.
So she can stop pretending. Once he was gone, he was gone and she knew it.
I almost feel ill when I consider what might have happened to that poor young man when he turned 18-21 and aged out of institution, or do you not do that as a youth?
I shutter to think what her plan was for him long-term.
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I've been thinking of those who have hung out on our porch who are no longer with us. Dwindle, who passed away last May, and others. And how much it would have warmed their hearts to see Collin come through this all such a beautiful young man who is now serving his country.
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I like to think that Dwindle, GollyGee, and AuntieAnn are now looking on proudly as Collin goes from strength to strength. He has some wonderful guardian angels looking out for him.
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Thank you for sharing your experiences. You are proof positive of the strength of family love, and also the fact that some people aren't cut out for motherhood. I wish you strength moving forward. Please keep us all posted on how you and your grands are doing.
Colleen is Collin's mother. How wonderful Collin and Hannah have her in their lives. I do wonder though why Collin continued to live with Colleen when she and Jon broke up.
I do wonder though why Collin continued to live with Colleen when she and Jon broke up.
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Just guessing but almost certainly to keep him in the same school to finish things out. If he were to move in with Jon and he wasn't in the district boarder and were caught it could be fraud.
I wonder whatever happened to Jodi and Kevin?
I'd like to think they might be back in Collin's life.
And remember Beth and Bob, whom TFW bragged,
loved them "for all the right reasons?" That seemed
like an odd comment, but finally made sense
when you realized all of her own relationships
were transactional.
So many people who loved and cared and committed
to her family were simply "deleted" by Mommie
Dearest. Including her own son.
Kate is disgusting as are her army of little minions who I'm shocked are still around considering she has been irrelevant for so long. I just find the entire thing so bizarre and cruel. Mady needs to do a lot of soul searching and ask herself if she really wants to turn out like her mother. I'm afraid she has a cruel side that would rival her mother's. To Collin and Hannah, the best revenge would be to live happy successful lives and basically forget about that thing that called herself a mother.
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Kate is disgusting as are her army of little minions who I'm shocked are still around considering she has been irrelevant for so long.
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I noticed that too. No matter what has happened in the last 14 years, they still point out the fact that Jon went off the rails for a while. In 2009. How many horrible things has Kate done since then? Too many to count. But Jon's brief period of rebellion is all they have to complain about, so they'll never let that go. Oh, right, and they're still claiming that he never paid a dime of child support, which even Kate has admitted is not true. He paid a huge amount right after the divorce, and then later, even though he didn't pay nearly as much, she admitted that he was paying--but that the amount didn't even cover their lunches. She let him off the hook years later so she could still film them, but that was her decision. The sheeple are still so deep in denial that the truth, even when it is confirmed by Kate herself, is irrelevant. It's truly sickening.
What I rermember most about how Kate treated Collin is how she assigned him to do the filthiest, dirtiest chore - caring for the chickens and cleaning the chicken s**t out of the coop daily (that she likely acquired so she could claim her property was a farm). None of the other kids had to do anything remotely as disgusting as that.
I think Collin helped a farmer who lived close to Kate.
ncgirl (#48), oh yes, Farmer Henry!
I was just remembering how TFW referred to the
workers who came to fill the kids as their "crew
daddies." Heifer, your children had a REAL daddy
whom you kicked to the curb.
And how interesting that she claimed her
kids felt so attached to the crew daddies,
yet pooh-poohed the idea that they would
miss their own brother...claiming Collin
hadn't been around much anyway.
And how interesting that she claimed her
kids felt so attached to the crew daddies,
yet pooh-poohed the idea that they would
miss their own brother...claiming Collin
hadn't been around much anyway.
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Flimsy that is such a great point and I'm kind of surprised no one has made it before that I recall.
Crew daddies can't leave they'll just miss them so much!! Biological brother--meh.
Apparently, Steve never intervened.
On other news Josh Duggar lost his appeal case. Another TLC "wonderful" family. Parents willing to sell out their kids for $$ and not get them the proper help they needed.
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On other news Josh Duggar lost his appeal case. Another TLC "wonderful" family. Parents willing to sell out their kids for $$ and not get them the proper help they needed.
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Good! Josh Duggar is right here he belongs. Too bad they can't keep him there for life, because he isn't the type to change his ways. He is arrogant like his dad and doesn't seem to think there is anything wrong with what he has done. All he cares about is getting away with it.
If anyone needs a good laugh, there is a show called Cunk on Earth that is on Netflix and it is hysterically funny! One of my sons found it and we're all hooked.
On other news Josh Duggar lost his appeal case. Another TLC "wonderful" family. Parents willing to sell out their kids for $$ and not get them the proper help they needed.
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Ha they made short work of that appeal. Wham bam done.
I wish the sentence was longer but it's also sweet justice that his kids will be adults or so old that the risk he could ever hurt them would be very low.
Locking him up is the ONLY way to protect his own kids.
She never thought they’d grow up. That’s what kids do. Grow up & hopefully be productive. She’s probably latching on to a couple of them & crying.
Young adults grow up too. They have their on lives & a family if that’s what they desire.
Most of them will probably need therapy down the road.
Some of the kids probably won’t give up on her. Like she gave up on everyone that couldn’t “help” her.
She doesn’t deserve them. But I’m sure they love her. It’s all they know. Who knows.
Her not talking to Collin on his graduation day blew my mind. She’s horrid. I hope nothing but the best for that kid. I hope his life is the way he wants it. She doesn’t deserve him. She doesn’t deserve any of them. As far as Maddie? She’s young yet. Not fully grown. Young adults change. That poor girl got a bad rap because of the tlc show. I cut her some slack. It upsets me when people say she’s just like her mom. We don’t know her well enough. Sure, she says stupid stuff. But look who raised her?
I think there's hope for Mady because she did take down some of her posts (beyond just the ones that naturally expired). She thought better of it, which is more than can be said for so much of what Kate has said and done over the years. And at least Mady has the excuse of being very, very young, with the hope that maturity will bring introspection.
Personally I don’t think Mady took down those TicTok videos because she suddenly grew a conscience. I think that she took them down because of the backlash and she was afraid of losing the partnerships (endorsements) that she has. Also, her account is public and in this day and age future employers look at social media accounts. Cara is the smart one. She’s kept her life private.
The comment about Mady and why she took down some of her videos was from me. NJGal51
I don’t know if either of my previous comments went through so here we go again. Sorry if it’s redundant. I don’t think that Mady took down some of her posts because she suddenly grew a conscience. I think she took them down because of the backlash and she was afraid that she’d lose some of her TicTok partnerships (endorsements). Also, her account is public and in this day and age future employers do look at social media accounts. Cara has been the smart one. She’s kept her life private. Admin, feel free to delete if my other comment won’t through.
I agree with NJGal51. Employers might look up people, what does she do again? Media relations? I mean they might think that’s terrible fit for their company. Her behavior. Some might have even told her they didn’t approve of her behavior because their company might have gotten negative attention from all her drama I don’t know if you have social media business in public like that then go to work doesn’t it cause a problem?
What is Mady's degree in? I know someone mentioned Bubble Skincare but I'm thinking it's not the flex Mady wants people to think it is. I know they had Jazz Jennings...also of a questionable, manipulative TLC reality show, promoting their product a few years ago. I never see Mady leaving Kate's side or ever having healthy relationships romantically or even with any children of her own she might have. Actually, I think it was Mady who should have gotten help at a much earlier age than Kate pretended Collin needed. Both Mady and Kate forget it is all on film. No words will ever erase what the world saw with our own eyes.
This whole social media product peddling is one of the worst things to come out of the last decade. It's no better than the 19th century traveling snake oil salesman. I'm embarrassed for these folks.
I was looking at Leah's TikTok. It was all baking videos and she is very talented. But her last video she said she was leaving for college soon and would be changing her content (but didn't say to what. college life i guess?). She has no hate on her comments, all nice, mostly compliments on her creations.
Just guessing but almost certainly to keep him in the same school to finish things out. If he were to move in with Jon and he wasn't in the district boarder and were caught it could be fraud.
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Totally agree although Hannah was able to stay at the same school. I think it was more about keeping Collin in a consistent, stable environment while he continued to heal. Her home was the first real home he’d had in a very long time. I think Colleen has become his surrogate mom and given her cancer diagnosis at the time, he likely wanted to spend as much time as he could with her. Kudos to both Colleen and Jon that despite their own breakup, they worked together to support Collin and give him what he needed at that time.
Whatever happened to Steve Neild?
I was reading about this awful house explosion near Pittsburg on The Washington Post and Kate’s puffy pink face and reverse mullet showed up in an ad with the capition “hairstyles that aged ladies 10 plus years.” Nothing makes you go from tearful to spitting your Coke faster.
Looks like Cara graduated college and works as a bank analyst in New York . Mady is also employed and lives off campus.
-Gigi Be
NJGal51, I agree with you. I don't think she saw anything wrong with what she posted, and I don't think she would have bothered to take it down if there wasn't pressure--probably from her employer--to do so. They don't like negative press to reflect on their company, so they would keep an eye on any controversy surrounding their employees.
I also don't think it's immaturity that cause Mady to lash out at Collin the way she did. I was baffled as to why she would infer that Collin was hateful towards minorities and the LGBTQ community. Especially since she doesn't appear to have had any contact with him since he was 11. How would she know? Then I realized that the quickest way to "cancel" someone in today's culture is to label them a racist or LGBTQ-phobic. I really think she believed she could just cancel him with a few well-chosen words and that was her intent. But then Colleen's son, who appears to be both minority and a member of the LGBTQ community, came forward to praise Collin and tell of their close relationship. That revealed the fact that Mady was just making up things to attack Collin. I think it is pure nastiness and entitlement on Mady's part that made her speak. And isn't it interesting that the other G kids--even the ones several years younger than Mady--didn't say a word.
How would she know? Then I realized that the quickest way to "cancel" someone in today's culture is to label them a racist or LGBTQ-phobic
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Make no mistake, she darn well knows that.
To say such a thing without any specific facts to back it up in this current cancel culture climate is really patently outrageous and if said recklessly enough could even expose her to a defamation lawsuit.
I have given some thought to the future of someone like Mady who really if you think of it has had a terrible role model as a mother and never was able to develop a relationship with her father and she really would benefit from counselling. Actually they all would. I think while it doesn't justify Kate's parenting, her own parents were probably seriously lacking and thus the cycle of obvious abuse. Kate had a wonderful opportunity when she went to Hannah and Colin's graduation and because of her own ego she absolutely blew that. It's still all about hating her ex more than loving her kids.
Mady absolutely is part of a cycle. There does come a time in one's adult life where there is a shift in that their childhood is no longer an excuse for their behavior or problems. That the responsibility now lies on you the adult child to stop the cycle and take some other path in your life for yourself and those around you. Arguably she is at that crossroads now, at her age.
There does come a time in one's adult life where there is a shift in that their childhood is no longer an excuse for their behavior or problems.
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Yep. At some point, you own the ball.
That time is really close for Mady and she won't be prepared.
Whereas Colin and Hannah already took ownership of their balls.
I can’t recommend enough Tiny Beautiful Things to Mady and anyone struggling with their past. It really does advocate a fine balance between accepting how freaking shitty your shit hand was while also empowering you to not let it own your life. To spear it and kill it and do better.
Looks like Jon gave yet another interview addressing Mady and discussing his estrangement with his children.
I always liked Jon okay, and I felt for him because of the way he was treated by Kate, and eventually by TLC. But I wish more than anything that he would stop giving these interviews about his children. It’s redundant, it makes him look desperate for the spotlight, and it’s not going to do anything to help the relationship or change the twin’s and four sextuplets’ tarnished view of him.
He already publicly defended Collin via a statement through a magazine, and Colleen gave a detailed Instagram post beautifully attesting to Collin’s character. That is enough, there was no need to speak on this any further.
He already publicly defended Collin via a statement through a magazine, and Colleen gave a detailed Instagram post beautifully attesting to Collin’s character. That is enough, there was no need to speak on this any further.
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Yes I'm sure the sheeple would love that just Kate and Mady get to speak, and everyone else shut up.
Sorry, I forgot to add my name in my last post, didn’t mean to go anonymous.
That’s not I meant at all. Kate and Mady should keep their mouths shut, too, especially since what they say are likely lies and slander. Of course Collin and Jon should defend themselves. I just feel like Jon has said enough and doesn’t need to keep doing these interviews.
Hoping the four living with Kate are all away at college enjoying there freedom. L posted a video of her dorm room . She’s going to NC state
-Gigi Be
Hey Admin and Fellow Kate Haters!
Are you following this case of the Mormon YouTube Family Vloggers 8 Passengers?
Sweet Homespun Mormon Child Abuse!
I want Jon to comment. Jon and Paul Peterson.
Admin look it up and post a story
Hey Admin? Whats up with Mady? I tried to read this page but Im not seeing what is going on.
Hey Admin? Whats up with MADY? I tried to read this page and cant find out what is going on with her...
preesi (#77), I was just coming here to post
the same thing! Tragic, sickening story. May
those kids and young adults get the help they
need. And may their evil mother pay the price
for the damage she did to their bodies and souls.
Looks like Leah is having a great start at college. I wonder if the other 3 are at the same school. It does appear that she has a roommate--there was another bed in her pictures. NCSU is in Raleigh, so she's a few hours away from home. That should give her a little space away from her mother's influence, which has to be a good thing.
I noticed Leah has the same flower pillow that my little Boo has, except Boo's pillow plays music when you press the petals. She loves it because she can amuse herself with it while she's supposed to be sleeping. She's such a fun little girl! She has her daddy wrapped around her little finger--and she knows it. She's such a cute mix of girly-girl and total basa$$. She must wear dresses every day (preferably Disney princess dresses), loves having her hair done just-so--and her favorite activity is banging on her drum set and belting out her favorite song, "Zombie" by the Cranberries. Sully started K-3, and it's just killing me. I said, "You're so grown up now! When did you get so big?". And he thought for moment and said, "Ummm...yesterday". He has lots of friends, and they all give each other hugs when they are leaving school for the day. He has a best friend now. He's growing up too fast!
I saw the story about the Mormon family. It's absolutely heartbreaking, Why is it that the mothers who shove themselves in the public eye and pretend they're the perfect parents with perfect families--are always the worst parents? Too many kids are being used as commodities these days, and the results can be disastrous. I also hope Paul Peterson speaks out.
Preesi, flimsy flamsy, I read a story about the Mormon mom blogger/ abuser. She also kicked out Dad and things got so bad. Multiple neighbors talked with reporters and said they had reported to CPS multiple times.
Read this today. Somewhat interesting.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/05/health/adhd-mental-illness-study-wellness
Jill Duggar's book comes out September 12.
ncgirl (#84), and apparently Jill describes her felon
brother Josh as a "pedophile." Quite a long way from
that TV interview where Jill and Jessa brushed off
Josh's attacks as something that happens in most
families. Clearly they had been coached by their
cult leader -- um, I mean, their father Jim-Bob --
to downplay the whole thing. Big Daddy needed
that gravy train to keep chugging' along. What
a disgusting, narcissistic coward.
I still get people mag every week. Issue with Jimmy Buffett on cover, picture of Jill on top of cover, nice article about her and husband, upcoming book. Very clear about what contract with producers committed her to filming. She never wanted childbirth to be filmed, but those episodes got great ratings! It was only after marriage that they were asking more questions about where was the money going. Because of her husband she also stopped accepting the status quo.
I have not read Jill's book, but there's a lot of information about it online. Josh was there for the Meghan Kelly interview. How awful.
I still get people mag every week. Issue with Jimmy Buffett on cover, picture of Jill on top of cover, nice article about her and husband, upcoming book. Very clear about what contract with producers committed her to filming. She never wanted childbirth to be filmed, but those episodes got great ratings! It was only after marriage that they were asking more questions about where was the money going. Because of her husband she also stopped accepting the status quo.
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Her book is getting a lot of media buzz for its ongoing shocking revelations. I really hope Arkansas has looked into any and all available options to go after Jim Bob and his Baby Cakes. What they did was impose slavery on Jill, which last I checked is illegal.
Admin (#88), wouldn't UT be something if the
ultimate Duggar "good girl," who seemed to worship
her father, is the one to burn it all to the ground.
Reminds me of Hannah Gosselin -- helpfully
identified on the opening credits as "the
leader, and Mommy's helper -- leaving Mommy's
house the first chance she got.
So apparently Rube Frankes entire family and friend circle are all closet incestuous swingers. They have sex parties
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4V6EyQRHtCA
Nothing wrong with sex parties. But apparently theres a lot of sex abuse in these mormons families and I think this is why they abuse kids. They take it out on their kids
From Dmasy -- After a ten year adventure in Texas, hubby and I have returned to the Midwest. Unexpected but we are going to embrace the change. Internet was just connected! Boxes every where!
On the long drive ahead of the moving trucks, I read Jill Duggar's book. Much better written than I would have expected. She shares quite a bit and stops just short of salacious details. She is a kind hearted soul who protects her parents while being truthful.
She and her husband seem grounded, with Derrick being a strong guide for her as she navigates from Sweet Jilly Muffin to a more critical thinker.
Dmasy (#91), congratulations on your move!
Who would have predicted that Jill would be the
one to break away from the Duggar family in
such dramatic fashion? What a nightmare for
her insanely controlling father, who somehow
thought he'd continue to keep his adult children
under his rule. Not anymore, Pops!
I really do have to give Jill's husband a whole lot of credit. It's crystal clear for me he loves her deeply, he appreciates and understands her toxic childhood and toxic parent, and is willing and able to provide her the support she needs to tell her story and move on with healing the damage done to her life. And she really is struggling to rebuild on a foundation that was intentionally stunted for her against her will. Taking on that baggage in a marriage is a mountain to bear and he's done it and done it well.
Can you imagine the blind rage Jim-Bob must
feel at the fact his daughter is going to make
a substantial amount of money from the book
sales and he won't be entitled to one red cent?
Out of all the humiliating, emasculating aspects
of this story, methinks that is a particularly
tough pill for him to swallow.
Can you imagine the blind rage Jim-Bob must
feel at the fact his daughter is going to make
a substantial amount of money from the book
sales and he won't be entitled to one red cent?
Out of all the humiliating, emasculating aspects
of this story, methinks that is a particularly
tough pill for him to swallow.
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I wish they would put together a criminal case on his ass. Slavery has been a crime since 1865.
Dmasy...welcome to the Midwest!
October....the month where we start with summer and end with winter. :-)
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