Wednesday, December 18, 2019

BREAKING NEWS: Kate found in contempt of court and fined for filming the children

The punishment was a $1500 fine. She also owes $25,000 in other attorney's fees to Jon (oh sweet irony). Kate must obtain Jon's consent for any future filming and provide a production schedule. The dispute stems from the "lost" College Bound episode that aired last October. The deadline for the 25k is looming quickly, it is due Dec 31.

What could happen if she doesn't pay up or follow the orders in the future? Additional fines are on the table. A judge also has authority to put her in jail.

A big thank you to Daily Mail for discovering this story earlier this year and pursuing it to its conclusion.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7805741/Kate-Gosselin-contempt-filming-underage-kids-WITHOUT-work-permits.html




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Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Pay up, Schmoopy!

I've always wanted to say that.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

$25,000 plus $1500. It's gonna be a hella a nice Christmas for Collin and Hannah. Maybe Jon could take them to....PARIS!

Suck it, Kate.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Isn't it hilarious that Kate now owes JON? She was so damn smug when he owed her.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Also--in paragraph 11, apparently Kate claims she's owed money by the trusts, and Jon is claiming Kate misappropriated money. The transfer of C&H's money is to be made without waiving those disputes, so Jon can still fight to find out if she's been draining the kids' money.


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Thanks for the great summary Layla. I'll read it in full later.

BAM, he should go after her for every last cent belonging in those trusts. We darn well knew she was playing monkey business with them.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

All these years it's been my legal fantasy Kate would finally be held in contempt for all the nonsense she's pulled over the years. And a judge finally did it, at long last. Better late than never. Happy New Year!

Sad but true said...

Layla, where did you find the details in your post 133 on the last thread? I didn't see anything like this in the DM article.

Karma is long overdue, but certainly very well deserved. Let's see if "contract honorer" Katie complies with court-ordered sanctions. I would expect her to appeal, as usual. I wish we knew the history of the judges on this case, and whether Rowley is the same guy who let Kate with everything when the kids were younger.

Merry Christmas, Katie!

ncgirl said...

This is a good Christmas story. Jon deserves that money and more. I bet Kate is more of a Grinch than ever. Is she still baking for people instead of giving them tips? Has she decorated with her pitiful tree yet? No one deserves a blue Christmas more than her. I just feel for the children with her. You know Jon and family will have an awesome Xmas.

Josh Duggar was mentioned as being in contempt of court. Here's an article if anyone is interested. https://popculture.com/reality-tv/2019/12/18/josh-duggar-company-held-contempt-court-lawsuit/

ncgirl said...

A blind item reveal about Kate:

https://blindgossip.com/super-mom-panicking/#more-98558

Nicky said...

Can you imagine how much more she will poison the remaining kids against Jon now? Yikes!

JR said...

I don’t know about anybody here but I would love to see her in the pokey..

I can’t even imagine what’s happening inside that head of hers.. she’s all about vengeance so I would keep those wire hangers away from her

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Josh Duggar was mentioned as being in contempt of court. Here's an article if anyone is interested. https://popculture.com/reality-tv/2019/12/18/josh-duggar-company-held-contempt-court-lawsuit/

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Maybe he and Schmoopy could share a jail cell.

JR said...

Wow this is serious...he will never sign off on filming so essentially Kate plus eight is over...people don’t understand in this life you get back whatever you dish out...

Did Jon actually bring Collin to court cause he was walking with him?? Omfg

JR said...

I had mentioned josh being in contempt but I’ve been too busy to follow up

Layla said...

Admin (4) said...
BAM, he should go after her for every last cent belonging in those trusts. We darn well knew she was playing monkey business with them.
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I think Kate intended to deny Hannah her money, and claim Collin didn't have anything left. But now the court said the money has to be divided equally among the kids. No using money to control the kids or to punish the ones who left. I'm sure she's warned the remaining kids that if they defect to Jon, they won't get their trust funds. It won't be long until they realize she can't do that. And she has to account for every penny she takes out. The loss of control must be making her crazy. She's finally had her wings clipped, and there's no filming in the works. This is her worst nightmare.

I sure hope she's saved a lot of cash. Just in the next month or so she's got a $25,000 payment to Jon due, 6 kids who will be expecting some major gifts for Christmas, and spring semester bills to pay. Things are about to get very real.

JR said...

I’m loving the part where she has to turn over their trusts.... does it get any better than that?😂

JR said...

Her world is falling apart around her but she had a nice coat on... LOL

Anonymous said...

I agree that TLC must be washing their hands of her. I am sure she will want to film whoever is left when they turn 18 in 2 1/2 years but would there be any interest ? She must be a powder keg ready to go off. I fear for all who are home with her. I would bet C and M are going to go to great lengths to get their license, vehicles and access to their money in short order.

Yes she looks really pissed in those photos. No rat claws in sight.

Ronnie and Maggie

Anonymous said...

Looking forward to your summary Admin., you being the legal expert.

bm

Layla said...

sad but true (6)
I read the legal documents that were in the story, but when I went back to look, they were gone! There were 11 paragraphs with the court findings.

Sad but true said...

Nicky said... 9
Can you imagine how much more she will poison the remaining kids against Jon now? Yikes!
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Of course! It will be all Daddy's fault that we can't each have 15 presents this year, or bother with a fully decorated tree. You know there is hell to pay in that house this holiday season.

I thought Kate's court attire (and apparent lack of make-up) was telling. Trying to play the poor, put-upon single-mom-of-8 one more time. Glad she's not finding any traction with that pretense anymore. I wonder if she and Collin actually came face to face. I bet she was freaked to see him there.

Sad but true said...

Layla said... 19

Awww, rats, LOL! I wonder why they got pulled. Surely they're done with the gag orders now. Cat's out of the bag, and there's no way it's going back in.

Ronnie and Maggie, yes, the absence of Purse-Boy was glaring, wasn't it? So unlike her previous court appearances, when he was seen shooing the hoi polloi away from Her Highness. I wonder if he jumped ship before or after the illegal filming.

Formerly Duped said...

Wow, this is great1 Kate looks very upset and grim in the photos while Jon and Collin look dapper and calm.

I really hope against hope that the remaining kids don't pay too dearly for this.

foxy said...

The pictures of her aren't very flattering. In one of them she is trying to hide her face with her pink phone, and her dark roots are at least 6 inches now. I guess no money for hair and makeup now. I wonder if the college girls will be able to maintain their high tuition schools. I hope they can get student loans and scholarships if they haven't already. I also wonder if the 4 hostages will remain in private school for their high school years. What a mess she is in and all the opportunities she squandered because she would not play nice and make an effort to work.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Imagine having to write a check for 25 grand when you don't know where your next paycheck is coming from.
Let her have a little taste of the financial anguish she inflicted upon her children's father all those years ago. The tide has turned.
Suck it, shrew.

Wowser said...

No hooker heels, no fancy rings on her finger, 6 inch roots and deep 11’s between those eyebrows. Could be schmoopy is finally waking up that McDonald’s is hiring cuz girlfriend is going to need a job cuz her atm’s are jumping ship and are finally protected by law. There is a God.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

She probably told Purse Boy to stay home to help present herself as a poor, struggling, unemployed single mom who couldn't possibly come up with $25,000. Maybe she should check the couch cushions.

Anonymous said...

I wouldn't expect her to have any interaction with Jon in court, but I wonder if she even acknowledged that Collin was with Jon. I find it significant that Jon had Collin accompany him to court, even though he may not have actually been in the courtroom.

bm

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

The pity party kate is throwing over all this is ridiculous. Take your medicine like a man and show some class.

Interesting that Collin cane to court. It can be very empowering for some kids to personally attend court dates like this one.

I hope kate is ordered to pay back every last cent she ever stole from Collin to incarcerate him. With interest.

Wowser said...

Where is kate having a pity party? I see nothing

Layla said...

foxy (23)
The 11s between the brows are back--so no recent Botox. Maybe she's had to slash her beauty budget lately. Remember the days when she tanned several times a week, had her nails done at least once weekly, and required regular spa days for "stress relief"? I don't think filming a mere 10 episodes over the last 3 years covers the costs of all that.

I was wondering if there was really enough in the twins' trust funds to pay for 4 years at such expensive schools. Plus--Mady seems to have expensive tastes. The Isabel Marant jacket, Cartier necklace, MacBook Pro, iPad, iPhone. etc. Someone is splashing out a lot of money on her, and I assume Cara gets the same. What about the younger kids? Is there enough for each of them to go to comparable schools? Do they get all the goodies that M&C get? I think it's a good thing that Kate now has to separate the kids' money into individual accounts and she has to provide quarterly accounting for everything spent. I'd hate to think she would take from the younger kids to give more to M&C, but then she has always favored the twins. She may be trying to buy their loyalty/friendship. I just hope the younger kids aren't the ones paying.

Turtle said...

When I saw Kate vs Jon I had a different take on their appearances. Jon made an effort to dress up to respect the court. He presented himself as someone taking the proceedings seriously by wearing a tie, nice shirt and hair nicely combed. Kate, on the other hand, looks like she climbed out of bed and went to court; no make up, no effort on the clothes, hair looks unkept. She didn't even try to look good. To me, she presented herself that she was not camera ready and didn't care because it was only court.

Lynn W. said...

Hurray!!!! Finally TFMJG will get her due and it will be interesting to see how it all fans out.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

and...":

Where is kate having a pity party? I see nothing

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Her expression, walking around outside with that pathetic giant frown. Goodness where’s my invitation??!

Giff said...

Where does this leave Mady, Cara and the remaining hostages as far as their expensive schools go? If it is to be divided equally 8 ways, Collin and Hannah should not have to continue to pay out of their shares. The tuition should come out of each child's individual account. And, as someone pointed out, All 8 of them have a share in that house. If 4 no longer live there, why are they still paying? All of the Gosselin kids are intelligent. I'm sure if you explained to them that paying for the house, pool and acres of wasted land means they may not have anything when they are adults, they might see the benefit of turning against Mother. They owe her nothing including loyalty or money. Karma has arrived for Kate and hopefully, this will be the realist of reality for her...alone and broke.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I’m slowly beginning to internalize how incredibly screwed up it is to “punish” some children for their transgressions by docking their trust accounts. It’s so messed up!

I’m so glad a judge is finally getting it though at this point you’d have to be an amoeba not to be onto this woman.

Layla said...

Admin (28)
The court papers stated that the trust money had to be divided equally among the kids, so C gets the same amount as the rest of the kids. I wish the court papers were still up on the DM site--it was all spelled out. Equal amounts for all the kids and separate accounts for each of them. H&C's accounts under Jon's control and the other kids' accounts under Kate's control. Kate has to provide Jon and the court with quarterly statements for each account under her control with beginning balance, everything taken out or deposited, and ending balance. Jon has to provide the same to Kate and the court for H&C's accounts.

We all know she planned to leave C with nothing. H too. She'd rather keep that money for herself. That Botox doesn't pay for itself. Jon wouldn't allow her to do that--and Jon prevailed. And I agree that it must have been so empowering for C to come to court. I wonder how she felt about that. She tried so hard to beat him down, and yet he has the confidence (still) to stand up to her. He is an amazing young man.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


What pity party? Did she make a statement? Tweet? IG post? I certainly could have missed it since my attention has been focused on the more important story of the day.

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I don’t consider petty sour grapes nonsense more important than eight child actors getting the money they are owed for their exploitation, but that’s just me.

You DO know you don’t have enough votes in the Senate.....right? Oh shoot, you didn’t? That’s embarrassing. All this little exercise will do is make him soar even more in the polls. If the election were today he crushes every single possible candidate. Nobody is buying this and it’s just making his supporters dig in more.

A wise person once said just because you can doesn’t mean you should. You might remember that. Strategy, try it sometime.

Ingrid said...

Layla said... 19
sad but true (6)
I read the legal documents that were in the story, but when I went back to look, they were gone! There were 11 paragraphs with the court findings.

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I looked for them too. I only saw the letter from PA Dept of Labor. I have learned that if it is something on that order like letters or legal documents, I save it any way I can as soon as I see it. (save picture as or screen shots)just in case.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


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Following your conscience. Try it sometime.

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Oh right yes KIAT this is an exercise in morality and integrity and a higher calling. We are doing the right thing! Gimme a freaking break, nobody is buying this has anything to do with anything but sour grapes political pandering. Nobody is that stupid. And if you are, time to wake up.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

. I have learned that if it is something on that order like letters or legal documents, I save it any way I can as soon as I see it. (save picture as or screen shots)just in case.

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Darn, and I would have saved them to post on the site too. There’s always a chance they’ll put them back up, could just be a misunderstanding or a technical issue. I’ll be watching.

Sad but true said...

Layla said... 36
Admin (28)
The court papers stated that the trust money had to be divided equally among the kids, so C gets the same amount as the rest of the kids. I wish the court papers were still up on the DM site--it was all spelled out. Equal amounts for all the kids and separate accounts for each of them. H&C's accounts under Jon's control and the other kids' accounts under Kate's control.
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Except the twins MUST be separate, no? At least from October 2018 (when they turned 18) to today? What a blow it must be for Kate to finally have to account for the money these kids have earned. And especially the funds for H and C, which she may have thought she could pillage indiscriminately, and now has to both cough up the accounting AND equalize everything among the six tups.

Thank goodness Jon now has access to the forensic accounting. Although I am quite sure she has covered herself with respect to her retirement funds. Ain't no way Mama's gonna be short in THAT category, especially since it's not bloody likely there'll be "8 x 8" grandkids in the McMansion for future TLC crapisodes. The McMansion is likely to be gone sooner than later.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


But hey, our retirement funds are YUGE so we'll just conveniently ignore this.
It's sick. He's sick. Surely you don't condone this.

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But hey, no wars anymore. All our sons and daughters are coming home. Wars that have been going on since i was a CHILD are over and done with at long last. But hey, almost all the new millions of jobs added went directly to minorities. But hey, fatter pay checks for the lower middle class hurting the most. But hey, pay no attention to any of those pesky little details nobody else could accomplish. But hey.

You might want to talk to a parent of these soldiers whose son is alive but for this man.

Layla said...

Giff said... 34
Where does this leave Mady, Cara and the remaining hostages as far as their expensive schools go? If it is to be divided equally 8 ways, Collin and Hannah should not have to continue to pay out of their shares. The tuition should come out of each child's individual account.
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That's the glory of this court order. The kids each have an account, and there has to be an accounting of where the money goes. She can't pay any kid's expenses using money that belongs to the other kids.

Sad But True (41)
I don't know when the twins are supposed to get their money. I think when the trusts were set up there was a certain age chosen where they would receive money. I doubt that it was 18--that's awfully young to have complete control over a large sum of money. The twins' trusts are probably under Kate's control and she doles out the money for their schooling and other expenses. When they reach the age that was chosen when the trusts were set up, then they get whatever money is left over--if any.

Let's just hope those funds are huge. M&C are going to some very expensive schools. The other 4 have 3 more years of private school and then college to pay for. That adds up fast.

JR said...

Karma took so long to arrive but it’s here with a vengeance... I can’t even believe what I’m hearing... narcs love control and she has lost all control ... which means those kids will have to watch her rage...her having to send Jon a quarterly report is hilarious...her head must be ready to blow up

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

The judge might as well just throw her in jail right now and save everybody some time. Quarterly reports? The only quarter she knows has Washington's head on it. There's no way she's going to be able to keep all these rules straight much less follow them. She's a narc, they're not capable of it. It's not in their sphere of understanding that somebody might get to order them about and they have to follow it or else. Hence her even making the now very COSTLY mistake of filming the College Bound episode in the first place. Whatever she made making it will be offset by what she owes Jon for it. What a stunt she tried to pull. An unsuccessful one.

NJGal51 said...

TOOT! TOOT! The karma train is finally pulling in to the station with room for only one passenger. I remember so well when TFW was on some show (skating with the stars?) and was doing a commentary. She took the microphone away from the host and told him “Someday I’ll own this mic!” How’s that working out for you Katie?! Karma is a bigger bitch than TFW and she deserves everything that comes her way.

Jon and Collin looked great, TFW not so much. The ugly always comes out in the end.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

NJGal51 (#46), yeah, she thought she had the world on a string for a hot minute there, didn't she? And she described The View table as "the chairs of my dreams." Those days are gone. Long gone.

She was insufferable when she had a steady gig. How bad must she be now when there is nothing on the horizon?

lurking said...

Finallly!! She is finally held accountable! All those years of listening to her fans bleat about how perfect she is while knowing the opposite and watching her get away with everything

lurking said...

THose pics seem to be from the actual court date. Did Collin go and face his "mother"? I love the one where Kate is taking a pic of the person taking a pic. Derp

JR said...

I’m sorry but I’m still in shock... she has gotten over on him for 10 years with her arrogant ass... and now this??? Nobody tells miss America what to do😂... if she complies it should literally kill her... finally no one is defending, lying or appeasing her... don’t ya know she’ll always be in charge!!? OMFG!!! To think she’s at the mercy of the courts is mind blowing only because we know she does whatever she wants, but no more. The universe is on its head

just wondering said...

I would think that either TLC or Figure8 is not paying Steve to babysit her anymore. They must be done with her!

bookworm said...

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 40
. I have learned that if it is something on that order like letters or legal documents, I save it any way I can as soon as I see it. (save picture as or screen shots)just in case.

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Darn, and I would have saved them to post on the site too. There’s always a chance they’ll put them back up, could just be a misunderstanding or a technical issue. I’ll be watching.

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Admin, I still had the page open on my phone and was able to download screen shots of the court documents. I can email them to you if you'd like.

Kylie said...

Sweet, sweet justice, long denied has finally come to Kate. That first picture of her is priceless. Once again, thanks to Admin for keeping this site going so we can keep up with what's happening. Ain't karma great?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Schmoopy sure will be making lots of memories this year! I know how she loves those memories.

Ingrid said...

bookworm said... 52
Good job! Even if we can't share them on here in entirety (privacy of kids sake) at least someone can see it again if needed. If admin allows it I would take an emailed copy too.

Sad but true said...

This one's gonna lose her fingernails if she holds on any tighter (on K8's IG):

havanesejackson
@jacindahouston5 Jon needs to be held accountable. Jon also said Colin had special needs when he was young.... Jon knew the challenges Kate was going to face with this child, yet he chose to be absent emotionally and physically he was too busy being evicted from an apartment and dating.... stop blaming Kate.. this child brings Jon, Fame, sympathy and money... bottom line..... which we all know Jon needs these things to survive... The treatment for Colin, is love... even Dr.Oz looked at him weirdly... Jon could have done better... he could have been a better husband and father when those children were little.....stop the blame on Kate...

Wowser said...

I’m surprised radaronline and other media outlets haven’t picked up on this

JR said...

I guarantee you she’s looking for revenge.. that’s how narcs think when you deliver an injury to them...she’ll come up with something which will probably be damaging to her but her mind doesn’t work like that..just remember narcs are not rational

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

So you admit it was just about winning. That says it all. I knew it.


I think you're still in the denial stage of grief. Trump is impeached. Period. End of story. He will forever be the fourth president to be impeached. FOREVER. Senate or no senate. We've won. Your lot lost.

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So you admit it was all just about the “win.” That says it all.

A win for the average American is a steady good job, soaring retirement funds, and their son home from Afghanistan for Christmas. But sure, you “won.” Congrats.

Lorrie said...

bookworm said... 52
Thanks, bookworm. I’d be interested in seeing them as I’m sure others on here would be too.

Layla said...

Kate has lost two of the most important things in the world to her--control and money. Of course, filming comes first, but there doesn't seem to be any of that coming up so let's focus on yesterday's ruling. She lost her ability to force the kids in her care to film and support her. Now she has to get Jon's permission and jump through legal hoops--something she has never been willing to do. She can't force anyone to do anything and the look on her face (in the pictures) clearly shows her rage. Then there's the money--once again, no filming going on and none in the works is going to hit her in the pocketbook. She has to give up H&C's trust fund money, which I absolutely believe she thought she'd keep for herself. She lost not only that money but her ability to exert control over H&C by withholding it. A double whammy there. She lost her control over the other trusts because she's now being held accountable for everything she takes out of them. And of course there's the $1500 she had to pay Jon and $25,000 due in the next couple weeks. $26,500, and if she spent the same amount herself on her own legal bills that totals $53,000 she's out. She could have gotten cars for each of the twins for that amount of money, but instead has to pay Jon because she refuses to follow the rules.

Those payments to Jon are just for the last two legal skirmishes--there's also her lawsuit against Jon for what she claims is unpaid child support. The $25K is apparently for an appeal of a previous ruling--I wonder if her demand for back child support was denied and that's what she appealed? Wouldn't that be great? It would be so fitting if she tried to extort that money from him and had to pay him instead. I hope that's what it's for!

Anonymous said...

Now knowing both the Guardian ad Litem AND the judge agreed filming was not in the best interest of the children, and knowing she did not advise Jon that she was going ahead with filming anyway, I don't see how even her few die hard "fans" can justify her now. She's finished!!

bm

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Fox News has the story now. Their headline is “Reality Star in BIG trouble” with an indignant headshot of Schmoopy. Lol!

Sad but true said...

Wowser said... 56
I’m surprised radaronline and other media outlets haven’t picked up on this
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Yeah, not having it on ROL is weird. But it's pretty much everywhere else---except People, of course.

Layla said...

bm (61) said...
I don't see how even her few die hard "fans" can justify her now.
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But..but...Jon wore some t-shirts they didn't like in 2009! What about that? And he had a 6-month rental in NYC where he stayed when it wasn't his custody time (also back in 2009)! What about that?

Hee-hee, they just can't get over the fact that she isn't "winning!" any longer. Funny how they have to go back a decade to find anything to throw at Jon. Rage harder, Kate fans. Rage harder.

capecodmama said...

Love this! Take her out of the oven. She is done! Reading the Daily Mail article, the contempt of court was from last May, and she had ten days to pay the $1500. Still thinks the rules don’t apply to her. I believe a TLC is done with her.

PatK said...

Hallelujah!! A little bit of karma has finally bitten her in the butt.

It's a Festivus miracle!!

Anonymous said...

Now that the proverbial has hit the fan, my thoughts are with the four children alone in the house with her over the Christmas school holidays. Even if they are allowed out to spend time with friends, I hope their buddies who are likely to know about the latest news, will be kind to them. The atmosphere in their own home can't be very 'merry' this Christmas season.

bm

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


It's a Festivus miracle!!

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Lol. We ought to have a Festivus party on the blog this year to celebrate. I’ll bring a tray of gift cards for all the ones you really wanted instead of pre frozen mediocre Xmas cookies all these years.

Anonymous said...

I wonder if the trash collector crew will be getting their traditional Christmas 'thank you' sticky buns this year.

bm

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

One of our party games can be pin the sticky bun on Kate’s ass.

Wowser said...

I think kate is poopin in Kate’s unnerwears at having to disclose all that she’s spent the kids money on.

JR said...

Quarterly reports??😂😂😂 I think Kate rather stick needles in her eyes

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Quarterly reports??😂😂😂 I think Kate rather stick needles in her eyes

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It ain't gonna happen, and she's gonna end up in jail. She'll skip her court date or come in crying with some lame excuse why she hasn't provided the information the judge ordered her to provide, and still continue to think he'll make an exception for her.

THERE ARE NO EXCEPTIONS THIS TIME, BITCH!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Now that the proverbial has hit the fan, my thoughts are with the four children alone in the house with her over the Christmas school holidays. Even if they are allowed out to spend time with friends, I hope their buddies who are likely to know about the latest news, will be kind to them. The atmosphere in their own home can't be very 'merry' this Christmas season.

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I know everyone always worries about this and are very compassionate to do so and not unreasonable. But the way I see a person like Kate, just growing up in that house creates cumulative damage, one incident after another of her rages. And she could be raging over something insignificant and stupid at times, I bet she does. What I'm saying is unfortunately from what we know and can infer, this won't be the first time Kate potentially takes out her anger on the children nor would it take something this big for her to take out her frustration on the children. Robert's book showed us that much.

just wondering said...

Quarterly reports my ass! Kate has a shoe box full of post-it notes at best! It's gonna take a miracle for anyone to figure out what she spent where, when, and on which child! I know she used Collin's money for the institution.
Remember the "Mine, all MINE,as far as the eye can see" remark? Pretty sure she's going to be downsizing in the very near future. She's either got to do that or pull her money in from whatever tax shelter she has in place.
Gina Neild was doing her taxes for some time, but I'm fairly certain she hasn't had to for the last few years. This is going to be delicious watching how she decides to play this little scam.
Good luck to all of the kids getting every last dime she owes you! The court will probably assign someone to go through her receipts, and that will be ugly. Then again, 15% divided 8 ways minus food, clothing, medical, & school might just leave her well above water, depending upon what the judge decides. Collin's bills should be charged to Kate since he didn't actually belong there.
"Come & get yer popcorn" and let the meltdown begin!

FlimsyFlamsy said...

just wondering (#76), I'd love to see Schmoopy explain to a judge that her new fancy deck was the single most important thing she's ever done for the health and well being of her kids. And how about those MONTHLY spa visits she admitted to pampering herself with? Let's say those are $100 a pop, $1200 per year, which would make $12,000 over the decade since the divorce. Does anyone think that 12 grand came out of her own account?

Jamezvader1194 said...

@layla (65) BUT HE DOESN'T PAY CHILD SUPPORT!That's literally the only argument i herd from Kate fans back then.Like literally a negative story about Kate would pop up and the central argument from her fans in the comments would be bringing up the child support.Wouldn't be surprised if its still the same argument today.Honestly im gonna bring up an argument that Kate fans made back then when Kate had it all and say times have changed.Hannah and Collin are with Jon and the show is basically dead with once in a blue moon specials.

JoyinVirginia said...

https://www.businessinsider.com/spies-react-trump-g7-summit-russian-asset-2019-8
Its about Putin and Russia. Steve Bannon wanting to cause chaos in government and Putin's goals aligned.
A friends active duty military son is being deployed to another area right now. the troops who left the Kurdish areas got sent to Saudi sandbox, not home. not sure where your info on troops coming home is coming from.

MamaC said...

While I wasn't always a fan of Jon or his weird choices, I could tell his heart was in the right place and I always felt sorry for him(because of her) . The truth is there is no one who would have been able to effectively co parent with Kate. She wanted what she wanted and anyone else's needs be damned. She proved that when she had a couple of uncooperative kids. Sadly her only reason for not even attempting to foster a good relation with the father of her children was because he was holding her back from filming. She has been delusional enough to think this was her "career", but her children grew and they all weren't interested . nor were they interesting. Her refusal to accept it has been her undoing. So will 2020 be the year of selling the "mine all mine" and offering up the remaining "cast members" for Jon to take over custody? After all they aren't much use to her now. I imagine she is terrified someone will offer Jon a reality show though, so maybe she will cling to the remaining few. She managed to display the most pathetic facial expression in her courthouse photo. Karma finally showed up.

BlueJay said...

Boy, you travel to move in with one of your kids for the holiday's and breaking news happens.

Merry Christmas, Kate! And certainly Merry Christmas to the rest of us who have been waiting for news like this to hit the holiday fan.

$25,000. Oh boy. So how's about looking at some want ad's for the New Year?

JoyinVirginia said...

Add me to the list of those wondering how this accounting of the trust will go. TFMJG has defied the court before. Wasn't there a counselor type person that TFMJG owned thousands to, and the person declined to pursue payment of the judgement? because the aggravation just wasn't worth the aggravation?
I hope whatever happens that the children can have a happy holiday, even if that means TFMJG stays in her room reading on the pink phone.

Sad but true said...

Bookworm, if you're still reading, did you send the DM documents to Admin? There is a link below that you can send e-mails to. I don't know if you can do screen shots, but that would probably be the safest way. Thanks. :)

JR said...

I think there should be a vote as to whether Kate ends up in jail or not? 😂...that would be the ultimate karma...there’s not a worse punishment for her and her ego

just wondering said...

Exactly.. Unless Kate has been keeping a spreadsheet or a ledger all these years, how is she going to account for the price of shoes & for which kid, or what medication she bought on what date for which kid. Impossible!

Layla said...


Jamezvader1194 said... 78
@layla (65) BUT HE DOESN'T PAY CHILD SUPPORT! That's literally the only argument I heard from Kate fans back then.
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It's still their go-to argument. Child support. Jon walked away from so much when they divorced. Half of the money used to set up the kids' trusts was his. Half the equity in the house was his. But he left it all behind for the kids. That probably equaled more than a million dollars. Then he paid $22,000 per month in child support for quite awhile. But none of that matters to Kate's fans. they have their fantasy narrative and they're sticking to it. Because they have nothing else.

FlimsyFlamsy (77)
Oh, she paid a lot more than $100 each for her spa visits. She was known for loving the Spa at Hotel Hershey, and a day of pampering there would have cost her several hundred dollars. She never cut corners when it came to indulging herself. She bought $3 shirts for the kids at the Gymboree outlet but for herself it was spa visits and celeb hair stylists in NYC (followed by dinners at Fig and Olive or Nubu). I think Mady said it best, "It's all about her".

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I added the court docs. If it becomes an issue for anyone I may be requested to take them down, so read them while you can.

Layla said...

justwondering (76)
Of course she spent Collin's money on that institution. She never intended for him to get a dime when he comes of age. Now, of course, she must realize that she really screwed the other kids over because the money has to be split equally. Collin gets his portion of the money, even if that means the kids under her care have less. Their trusts are revocable trusts, meaning she could revoke any of them at any time. Now she has to turn over control of H&C's money to Jon, so she can't revoke their trusts and keep it for herself, and she can't use their accounts to benefit herself or the other kids.

I don't know about selling the house--who would buy it? People don't seem to be lining up to live in Ghettoville. There's no real industry or thriving job market there, no places of cultural interest close by. Checking out recent sales in the area, nobody is buying huge white-elephant houses there. The more expensive houses sit on the market forever. She may well be stuck with it.

Admin, I remember seeing something in the court papers about the kids being paid for filming. It said that if they aren't being paid directly (by TLC, even though they didn't name the company), then Kate has to pay their amount from what she is paid. Did you read that? I wonder if that means that TLC hasn't been paying the kids their 15% directly--that they are just paying Kate and trusting that she's putting money away for the kids. That makes sense because Jill Duggar's husband said that Jim Bob is the one being paid for the family's show, and nobody else is paid directly. That may just be the way TLC does it.

Flight of the Kiwi said...

Ah, the deck. If she (and Jon) had immediately put a deck on the house after purchase because of the "door to nowhere" I'd buy the argument that it was essential for the children's health and well being. However, by the time she had it built all occupants of that house were old enough to know not to go out that frikkin' door.

PatK said...

The Order says the minor children in Kate's physical custody shall be allowed to film; then it says the minor children can only be filmed for "Kate Plus Date" or similarly-titled dating show with a Court Order or their father's written consent.

So, as I understand it, the physical custody hostage children can still be filmed without Jon's permission or Court Order for a show not revolving around Katie's thirst for dating.

Therefore, it's still very possible she can resume a regular series with the hostages. Correct?

Sad but true said...

Thanks for putting up the docs, Admin. I'm a little wary about the part saying the children can continue to film, as it doesn't actually seem to be contingent upon Jon's explicit agreement to same. I mean, maybe at the end of the day, this will be too much trouble for all involved---that is, if anyone is still interested in filming her.

Also, the way I understand it, TLC does not pay the cast members directly, those payments go through Figure 8, as the production company. Therefore, how Kate has handled the 15% cut for the children may well not be in TLC's purview. If Figure 8 was smart, they'll have insisted that the kids' payments went directly into the kids' account(s). As for the accounting, if Kate hasn't had an actual accountant handling this from day 1, then she is an idiot and deserves to suffer for it.

All in all, what a great outcome for Jon as well as for Hannah and Collin. What I really want to know is, if she didn't pay for Collin's "treatment" from his own funds, did she get insurance to cover it? And, given what we now know about the truth of that situation, could they sue her ass for restitution? Oh Karma, you've really lived up to expectations.

just wondering said...

The deck was free. Just like the solar panels & everything else. Right down to the little playhouses. Jon even did a little promo for State Farm when they were looking at insurance. And the kids received (or were meant to receive) 15% from each show divided 8 ways. But that didn't happen until Jodi, Kevin, & Paul Peterson became involved back around 2010. (??) But Kate was allowed to use any of their earnings for food, clothing, education, & medical needs. So if Kate made $35,000 per show, the kids would only make $656.25 each before taxes. They did what, like 8 shows a year? That would be about $5,250.00 a year (before taxes) per child. I don't know about you, but I could easily spend 5k a year on a child, and have. Braces, books, clothes, shoes, sports equipment, camp, bikes, phones, & food. So how much could the kis possibly have left?

Ingrid said...

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 87

Thanks!!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Also, the way I understand it, TLC does not pay the cast members directly, those payments go through Figure 8, as the production company. Therefore, how Kate has handled the 15% cut for the children may well not be in TLC's purview. If Figure 8 was smart, they'll have insisted that the kids' payments went directly into the kids' account(s). As for the accounting, if Kate hasn't had an actual accountant handling this from day 1, then she is an idiot and deserves to suffer for it.


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You know in many respects, Figure 8 has flown under the radar and gotten far less scrutiny and questions than they deserved. Because they're sort of under TLC's umbrella, and TLC is the famous one.

Sad but true said...

JoyinVirginia said... 82

This was the marriage counselor that she and Jon were supposed to be seeing, only she never showed. And yes, the woman, immediately after the case (I can't remember if she actually won or not?) said something to the effect of, I won't bother to appeal because I know I'm never going to get the money from her. I'm sure this is all in the archives somewhere.

Sad but true said...

just wondering said... 92

. . . So if Kate made $35,000 per show, the kids would only make $656.25 each before taxes. They did what, like 8 shows a year? That would be about $5,250.00 a year (before taxes) per child.
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Let's see if we can figure out the timeline. In 2009, there was the divorce and no mandatory accounts for the kids. In 2010, not sure if there was ANY filming of the show, since Jon and TLC were suing each other, but the 10% law came into effect. Kate came back in 2011, with the Australia/NZ trip (which started filming over the Xmas 2010 break). I'm not sure how many episodes there were that "season," but she was cancelled in August 2011. So maybe there were 15-20 episodes that year.

In 2014, they brought her back with a b'day special (aired in June). And then they started filming again in July/August, and I think that is when it went to only 8 episodes a "season." These aired in 2015 (when she was on The Apprentice). From that point on, I think it's only 8 episodes per year. 2016 included the twins' 16th b'day. And wasn't 2017 when there were only 3 episodes aired (all shown in July)? Nothing at all aired in 2018, then K8+D8 showed up in summer 2019, followed by the infamous college episode (including only 4 tups) in October 2019. Layla's probably got the exact count, but by my reckoning, there've only been maybe 20 episodes that included the "minor children." Only one of them didn't have Hannah and maybe a handful didn't have Collin.

We know that at the height of J&K+8, they were doing something like 40 episodes a year and making $40K+ per episode. That level was cut way down when it became K8+8. Assuming K8 could command the same per-episode amount when the show was brought back in 2011, she has MAYBE made $800k-1mm from that time up to the present. Of course, she had the Wife Swap and Apprentice shows, but the latter would only have paid HER, and the former? Who knows? (We've also got the crookbook in this time frame, but it's doubtful she did more than break even on this. She probably owes the publisher on whatever advance she got.)

Anyway: It seems likely that the kids have only "earned," as a group of 8, something like $150K or so since 2011. If you divide that by 8, it's only $18,750 per kid. That is enough to cover the private-school tuition, plus about $350/month per kid in "expenses," for ONE year. $350 per month per kid is not a paltry sum for a lot of families, but if you're trying to pay for the mortgage, electric, and salt-water pool out of that, you're probably in way over your head.

All of which is to say:

It is, in fact, very likely that Kate IS owed money by the trusts, if, in fact, she has actually paid for everything the children have. Of course, she hasn't: Witness the numerous shopping trips and freebies she's garnered over the years, her kids are always wearing the most up-to-date brands. And we all know about the moldy sandwiches, etc.

The big question, in my mind, is what about the OTHER "trusts," the ones that both Jon and Kate claimed they set up BEFORE the divorce for the kids' college? Both of them have claimed at separate times that all 8 kids' college was fully funded through these trusts. But is that still true today?

Based on what Mady and Cara must be spending per year (and assuming no financial or scholarship aid), that's +/-$400K+ for the two of them to earn a BA/BS in 4 years. Is there really another $1.2mm available for the 6 tups in 3.5 years?

I think the college trusts are the more interesting question here, and I wonder if they were set up in the same way the 15% trusts were. As in, Kate was able to draw against them in order to cover "expenses" for the children? Her kids didn't NEED to go to private school, but that's the choice she made for them. I wonder if any of them will thank her for that if it turns out they have NOTHING when they turn 18.

Wowser said...

PatK: i believe it states she abd/or TLC can only film if she has permits approved by the court AND Jon. And Jon has said he won’t sign for any of them to film. So i would say katie Irene is toast and if she can’t get a nursing job, i believe her back up-McDonalds-is always hiring

JR said...

All i know is she better come up with their trusts come hell or high water or she’s in deep do do... Kate doesn’t like to be exposed especially concerning money... now she has to account for every penny... I wonder how wasted she is right now? And what her next move is

CC said...

I think you guys are off on the whole 15% paid to the kids.

We’ve discussed this before. They don’t split 15% of the total earnings from the show between them. I don’t think we know how much the kids get.

All we know is that at least 15% of their earnings (we don’t know what their earnings are) has to be put into a trust for them for when they turn 18.

The other 85% of what they each earn does not HAVE to be put into their trust accounts. At least that’s what it was all those years ago when it came out about the 15%.

CC said...

Seems to me the court documents state that Kate can film the remaining four minor children in her custody unless Jon obtains a court order to stop her.

She cannot film them in a dating show or Kate Plus Date, unless she gets a court order to do so, OR Jon signs off on it.

She also has to provide a filming schedule to Jon.

just wondering said...

Sad but true said... 96
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Thanks! More typing than I had time for. Yes.. I was thinking about those college funds, too.

As for Collin.. No insurance company pays for years of inpatient psych care that I've ever heard of. Usually only covers about 6 weeks, if you can even fin a bed!

The entire idea is to calibrate their meds, rotate different psych sessions & get them home ASAP. We don't warehouse kids anymore. I guarantee you Kate paid an absolute fortune just to keep Collin away from Jon, and away from her. Simply pathological!!

Anonymous said...

Wowser said... 97
PatK: i believe it states she abd/or TLC can only film if she has permits approved by the court AND Jon.
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I don't think that's what it says. The court seems to have split filming into two categories: Kate Plus Date or anything similar, and other filming. The order says that for the children to be involved in Kate Plus Date or anything along those lines, court approval and Jon's consent must be obtained. For other filming, the default is that the children in Kate's physical custody *can* be filmed and that Jon cannot object without going back to court and obtaining an order in his favor.

Ingrid said...

CC said... 99
I think you guys are off on the whole 15% paid to the kids.
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Here's an article I found so people do know law was written how you said but we have no idea what amount Kate agreed on for the kids' earnings. I am sure she would try to take most of it for her pay because "she" is most important. Look how often she spent yakking in her chair when they could have shown more of the kids and less her.
"The law also requires that trust funds be set up for child actors with the employer depositing 15 percent of the child's gross earnings into the trust, a 'Coogan' clause."

https://www.thereporteronline.com/news/new-pennsylvania-law-affects-child-actors/article_1bcc1ea4-ba22-5fac-8c41-beb1aeb54b1f.html

Ingrid said...

Found this too.

Trust Account Required? An irrevocable child performer trust....
Is she burning through the other 85% of their earnings to pay for everything instead of supporting her kids herself like NORMAL parents do? Convincing them that she needs to pay for the expensive vehicles, house, school, gifts etc or they will lose it all?? (because she is broke?)

https://www.childreninfilm.com/rules-laws/labor-laws/Pennsylvania

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from another site. A blocked trust account, or Coogan account, is a court-administered trust fund designed to protect the earnings of child actors, athletes and other child performers until they become adults. The parent or guardian has control over the account as the trustee. No withdrawals are allowed, however, until the child turns 18.

Sad but true said...

just wondering said... 101

. . . I guarantee you Kate paid an absolute fortune just to keep Collin away from Jon, and away from her. Simply pathological!!
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And isn't it lucky that Colleen, as a psychiatric nurse-practitioner, probably has a great deal of knowledge on this very subject. :)
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CC said... 99
I think you guys are off on the whole 15% paid to the kids.
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I'm not sure what difference this makes. Let's say the payment to each kid, per episode, is $100. Of that, $15 is put into a "trust" account, and the $85 goes to . . . some open-ended slush fund (i.e., Kate)? Yet the terms of these legally mandated trust accounts included, I thought, that this reserved 15% could be used for the "health, welfare, and safety" of each child. Which obviously covers a LOT of territory. So all this means is that of that $15, she can take as much as she believes necessary to support their "health . . .," etc.

I don't recall any language about them only being able to access these trusts when they're 18, just that KATE could access it if she deemed it necessary. Of course, this would seem to mandate some examination of where the other $85 of each child's $100 went. As in, can we have a breakdown of what Kate actually paid out of her OWN funds for child support? Because if 85% of what they earn is NOT going into a trust, then they are certainly supporting themselves and have been from the get-go.

Anonymous said...

Ingrid said... 104

Reality TV kids are not protected under the Coogan act. PA had to create a law to protect the Gosselin children. The Gosselin children don't have as much legal protection as the children covered under the Coogan act. The trusts are one example. The money in their trusts can be used for items or care the children need before they turn 18.

I want to know if Kate payed herself using the kids trust funds. I would not put it past her to draw a salary from the kids trusts.

Andrea

Layla said...

Sad but true (96)
I went back and counted, and there have been exactly 30 episodes of K+8 filmed (including the "lost episode") since May of 2014. I'm not counting that 3-hour thing TLC aired because it was just clips and Kate didn't even narrate. I don't think the kids were paid separately from Kate. I read that Jim Bob is the one paid for the Duggars' show, and he disburses the money. I also read something similar about the LPBW family--there is one salary paid by TLC, and they divide it up amongst themselves. The salary paid for the show is 10% of the production budget for that show, and that covers the salaries of all the "talent". We all noticed that the production budget for K+8 seemed to be getting smaller over the years, which also means the salary paid would have been smaller.

There is no way Kate and the kids have lived all these years on just their TLC earnings. She's pulling money from somewhere. The money they have made from the show over the past 5 1/2 years is probably just barely enough to live on, but what about the money for the kids' private schools? That has to be in the 6 figures every year. And all those legal bills. The cost of keeping Collin hidden. We're talking a huge amount of money. And, of course, she was unemployed for almost 3 years before resuming filming. Her expenses didn't stop, even though her paychecks did. Who made up the difference?

Jon and Kate set up a trust/college fund for the kids before they divorced. We don't know how much was in it, but I hope there's enough left for all the kids to go to college wherever they want. Even if all of them want to go to schools as expensive as the ones C&M chose. Cara said she's on a pre-med track. Is there enough money for her to be able to go to medical school? What if more of the kids want to pursue advanced degrees or certifications? Can they do that without going into debt? I truly hope they all have the opportunity to pursue their goals because they have earned it.

JR said...

She needs Jon’s permission to film and that’s never gonna happen... and who ssid TLC wants to film her anymore

Wowser said...

Ingrid 104-bingo! “She” is the most important. In all the years she had Skeeve going everywhere with HER- —it was always because SHE had to be safe and nothing should happen to HER. Not once did i ever hear her say that Steve goes with them to keep the KIDS safe. For God’s sake woman, you kept them alone on a kompound out in the middle of nowhere with babysitters with no concern for their safety while skeeve traveled with you in limos and expensive hotels and restaurants because YOU were in so much danger. Truly a narcissistic mindset.

JoyinVirginia said...

Sad but True, thank you! it was dr. Sylvia Lafair in 2011, sued for $10,000+ of unpaid marriage counseling costs and travel expenses.

CC said...

I was clarifying that the chikdren don’t have to split 15% of what they are paid from the show. I don’t think it’s one lump payment to the family and the kids all split 15% of it. That’s all I was clarifying.

And yes I’m wondering how much of their 15% and their 85% will be available to them once they have access to their trusts.

CC said...

I have no doubt those children have supported themselves all these years. I also believe they’ve supported Kate too. After all, she’s their “manager.” She also lives in the house they provided for her.

Even if she didn’t take a penny from their portion (which I don’t believe for a second) every sent she earned off of being “Kate Plus 8” was off their backs. They spent their entire childhoods making her money.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

And not only did these kids give this woman a lot of money, but they gave her lots of time. She has not had to work a real job since they were toddlers. Very few parents are able to swear off working for their entire children’s childhoods. It’s extremely unlikely these kids when they have their own families will have the same luxury, and one wonders if they will resent it.

Jbranck1980 said...

Another factor to consider regarding finances is her speaking engagements and all those 'pass the plate' things they did. They would take photos/sign items for cash as well. And she may have been able to claim tax deductions on her house since they were "working" there. You know she has worked the system her whole life and if there is a gray area, her finances are in it.

Kelsey O. said...

The remaining kids may want to move out at 18 (even though they would still be in high school) and get what ever remaining amount is left in their trusts. They should have a say if they want to continue to pay for their own private school tuition or go to a free public school with their brother and sister. My guess is at least 1 of the kids still at home will want to move in with Jon in the near future. Surprised not even Jaime, Deanna or Ronnie didn't accompany her to court...

just wondering said...

Andrea, you are correct. The Coogan Act did not apply to reality tv because the kids were not actors. Specifically, PA had nothing on the books.

I listened to that entire day long meeting with Gov. Ed Rendell, Jodi, Kevin, and I don't remember how many others. It was like a 6-7 hour live recording. I'm sure that the kids ended up with 15% divided by eight with Kate being able to take out for food, medical, clothing, etc.

But this happened to coincide with their downward cycle, BECAUSE the show was finally being accused of using the children.

Kate made a fortune traveling The Southern Women's speaking tour. All of their Church shows, their lists of what they wanted/needed. All of the big money came before the kids were finally being paid.

But college tuition has soared since Jon & Kate tucked money away for school. Jon's father paid for Mady & Cara's education. Whether he also left them college money, I don't know. I think he died either just before or just after the tups were born.

Kate didn't snag herself a doctor, but she managed to reel in a wealthy dentist's son. She was so disappointed when she only had twins! And I bet she was furious when Jon's dad died, too.

Probably my last post. I've got 18 people coming over here for Christmas Eve and I've been stalling. Time to get busy!

Anonymous said...

Read paragraph 10 and 11 again. No where does it say Kate has to provide jOHN with details about the accounts that are in her trust, i.e. the remaining 4. the paragraphs are only about the trusts in johns name and that there needs to be back and forth transparency about those accounts only. At least thats the way I am reading it, can someone explain better? Also I still think theres a loophole in those docs that enables kate to film and john has to go thru the expense and trouble to get a court order to stop it and I think it says they vacated the order where the judge said last year that filming was bad for the kids. I dont think this whole document is as much of a "gotcha" to Kate that we think it is.

laura jean

Unknown said...

Cannot find any photos of Kate going to court...please post the sites.

PAPER PLATES FOREVER

1momski said...

Long time lurker, contributed years ago to this blog. Have had my interest rekindled with the recent court rulings slaping down the queen of mean. I have a question that I am sure admin and/or others can answer. Is it 15% per child (which would come to 120%!) or 15% in total for the childern to split. I think the answer is fairly obvious but I can't believe that the children who were the backbone of the filming would only get 15% split amongst them. Would that give Kate 85% in discreationary spending?

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Admin (#113), the kids also bought their mom a lifestyle that afforded her the opportunity to be away from them. Much of that time being when the tups were quite young. As she flat-out admitted, being home one week and then AWAY one week is what "works best for our family." Heifer.

Unknown said...

Cancel that. I am an idiot.
Paper plates forever

Sad but true said...

Anonymous said... 117
Read paragraph 10 and 11 again. No where does it say Kate has to provide jOHN with details about the accounts that are in her trust, i.e. the remaining 4.
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Paragraph 9 is the one saying Kate has to provide info on the accounts of the minor children in her physical custody, i.e., the four still living with her. It is identical to Paragraph 10 (just swapping Mother for Father), but there is a typo in the sentence beginning "Mother shall provide . . . [s]he . . ." They wrote "he" instead of "she" there, but I think the intent is perfectly clear. They both have to provide quarterly accounting to each other and the GAL on the accounts of the children in their respective custody.

Sad but true said...

just wondering said... 116

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Kate made a fortune traveling The Southern Women's speaking tour. All of their Church shows, their lists of what they wanted/needed. All of the big money came before the kids were finally being paid.
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You're absolutely right about the big money being long in the past and before the kids' accounts were legislated by PA. And that is money Jon knows about, since what K8 has done on a paid basis after the divorce is very limited: DWTS, Wife Swap, Apprentice; "I Just Want You to Know"; that strange ab machine advert; Kentucky Derby parade queen (paid? LOL); one-time St. Barnabas keynote speaker (paid?); R&R marathons (which we don't know if she got paid for; she only participated in one, and then did a half 6 months later); Coupon Cabin (from which she was fired after a year); the cookbook; and the column she did for The Stir (also short-lived, no idea if paid).

It may sound like a lot, but that's a 9-year run of very short-term contracts. We have no way to know how much any of these gigs paid her, but this is the sum-total of her (potentially) paid activity, plus the 30 episodes of K8+8 (thanks, Layla!), for that period. We know the crookbook was already pretty much "written" at least 5 years prior to publishing in 2013; and IJWYTK was basically just read into her phone and ghostwritten by someone else.

I wonder if the quarterly accounting will have to include free stuff that has been handed to her kids. After all, that does count as compensation as far as the IRS is concerned. For that matter, has Kate been accounting for
all of her freebies? LOL, we'll never know.

just wondering said...

1momski said... 119
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That is correct. Kids get 15% of the gross minus taxes & divided 8 ways. At least that was supposed to be the way it was divided. Who actually knows what Kate did with that money/ Of course, the order didn't go into effect until about 2012 when they were declining in viewers & income.

Layla said...

laura jean (117)
It's in paragraph 9. Paragraph 9 and paragraph 10 are exactly the same, except for the fact that "Mother" and "Father" are reversed.

just wondering (116)'
I don't remember reading that Jon's father paid for M&C's education. I only read that he left money to Jon and Kate (someone said that while they were begging for handouts, they secretly had a large amount of money saved--more than a beginning nurse's yearly salary--and that it was the money they inherited). Even if he did leave some money to the twins for their college, I doubt it would have been anywhere near what they need for the colleges they attend. A single year's tuition at just one of their colleges is more than what Jon and Kate would have inherited from him. And that's just one year for one of the girls--tuition only.

Have fun with your Christmas crowd! We're doing a big brunch here, and it's Sully's first Christmas! He has a new trick to share--he has learned to blow raspberries. He loves it when he blows a raspberry, and someone does the same back to him. He finds that hilarious. Big belly laughs ensue. Of course, we are all in awe of everything he does. It's going to be a big event here.

Ingrid said...

Anonymous said... 117
Read paragraph 10 and 11 again.
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In no. 9 Is it a misprint and should be SHE not HE in this sentence: Mother shall provide to father a quarterly accounting of all trust accounts and UTMA accounts which "he" is a custodian....
9 and 10 are identical wording except for the she/he part above (and Mother or Father for each one.) That might be why it looks like only Jon is accountable. I hope that is an error and she can't use it against him. Lawyers need better proof readers!

As for the filming, it looks like in No. 5 that she can still film them on Kate plus 8 shows because of previous court order in 2018 but she needs permission from Jon OR a court order to film any dating type show. Kate plus Date or other shows. SO it doesn't look like he can stop the 4 from working on the original show. (Oh good they will survive!! **sarcasm**)

Anonymous said...

#122
Sad but true.

...yes thats how I read it also, a typo where "he" should have been "she" but this is a legal doc and if it says "he" its gonna be "he". Someone on Johns team needs to catch this and fix it....admin, your legal expertise on chiming in is much appreciated.

laura jean

Anonymous said...

Im also confused about paragraphs 5 and 6 . Does John have to get a court order for any filming that’s not Kate plus date and does Kate have to get a court order for only Kate plus date, seems contradictory as to filming and court orders and permission, very confusing. Admin???
laura jean

Ingrid said...

For those who want to read the actual Pennsylvania Laws about Employment of minors in a performance. I know it still doesn't say how exactly Gosselin kids would split or share but atleast people can see the actual laws here.

https://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/legis/LI/uconsCheck.cfm?txtType=HTM&yr=2012&sessInd=0&smthLwInd=0&act=151&chpt=0&sctn=5&subsctn=0


I knew it wasn't exactly Coogans BTW I remember somewhere reading long ago after it was passed that this law wasn't everything but it was a start.

bjm19047 said...

Wouldn't Jon have a good case against TLC/Figure 8 for filming without the permits? They HAD to have known they needed permits for the kids to film, right?

I remember when reading Robert's book, I tried to figure out how much per episode they made as a family. I remember thinking that if it were me, I would have already taken that money per episode and split it evenly among everyone - 10 even shares - and invest the kids' shares so that the money would continue to grow. If Robert was correct and they were making as much money as he theorized, they should have been able to live off the profits of invested money.

Also - Didn't I read once that the children all had PA-529 accounts for college? Someone (Oprah? Dr. Phil?) established eight PA-529's for them? If so, she would not have been able to take that money out except for college.

All that being said, I am glad that now she is going to be held accountable. Although if she is anything like my ex, she is going to simply not do what she was ordered to do and force Jon to file contempt charges. I think there is still a lot that needs to play out here.

Happy Holidays to everyone here!

~Barb

CC said...

Just wondering said...
That is correct. Kids get 15% of the gross minus taxes & divided 8 ways.

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No, that’s not correct.

The kids each get 15% of each of their pay put into a trust fund.

We don’t know how much the kids get paid for the show. We don’t know if they get a salary each or a percentage of a whole amount paid to the “Gosselins.” We don’t know how much they make. We just know that 15% of what they EACH make must go into each of their trust accounts.

Supposedly Kate can decide to do whatever she wants to each child’s 85% of each their income.

Ingrid said...

Just wondering said...
That is correct. Kids get 15% of the gross minus taxes & divided 8 ways.
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Just wondering.. THat's what I remember hearing too. I just don't know where I saw or heard it. I tried to find it online. Nothing so far. So we really don't know how it is.

Ingrid said...

Layla said... 125
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I thought Jon's dad paid for the private elementary school (Country Day school) not towards college.

Ingrid said...

I am confused about 5 now too. I just noticed the line- Courts previous order of July 25, 2018 has been vacated.
I didn't notice the word vacated earlier. So this is getting really confusing.

just wondering said...

Correct, Ingrid. He paid their way for the Country Day School. I don't know about college.

All of the details should still be on GWOP. i just don't have the time to go look it up. Maybe someone here can run through the posts. There is probably a post specific to the ruling. Lord knows we were all listening & posting back then.

NJGal51 said...

JMO but I think think that TLC May finally be done with TFW. Since they had to pull the episode she’s probably more trouble than she’s worth now. The viewer numbers just don’t support filming. Kate+6? Kate+4? The general public knows that it’s no longer Kate+8. The bloom is off the rose and people see her for what she really is. By pulling the college bound episode TLC lost money and she’s probably just not worth it to them any more. GOODBY KATE!

Layla said...

Ingrid (133)
No, it was Bob and Beth who paid their tuition at LCDS. In Robert's book he had emails from Kate talking about the twins getting a scholarship for $12,000 each (their tuitions were $13,500 each). Bob and Beth paid the difference that first year. Jon's father died years before the twins started at LCDS.

bjm19047 (130)
There was a contract between TLC/Figure 8 and Jon and Kate that stated that it was the responsibility of the parents to secure any necessary work permits. Kate may have lied to them and said she had the work permits, and maybe they took her word for it after doing this for so many years. Plus she's a producer for the show--there must have been some level of trust in her. If so, they now know she lied to them and put them at risk.

I think the governor of PA opened 529 accounts in the names of all the kids, but they were not funded--just opened. J&K requested donations to those accounts, but we don't know how much may have been donated. Oddly, there is no mention of any 529 plans in the court paperwork above. Wouldn't Jon have requested that Hannah's and Collin's 529 funds be transferred over to his control?

Layla said...

I did some checking and Jon's dad died in January of 2005. The twins had just turned 4. They were not in school yet, and when they did start school in Elizabethtown, they went to public school. Kate wasn't happy with the E-town schools, so she applied to get the twins into LCDS and they started there in first grade. Maybe Dr. Gosselin paid for preschool for them--I remember reading somewhere that after the tups were born Kate was looking for someone to pay for preschool for the twins. It makes sense that their grandfather would step in and pay.

Unknown said...

Admin, do you know what I have always wanted to say? This turd has finally stopped circling the drain and is spinning, spinning, speeding down the shit pipe into the sewer.

PAPER PLATES FOREVER

capecodmama said...

NJGal51...136. I totally agree. K+8 is over. Kate+8 no longer exists. And now that the gag order has lifted and Jon is talking, I don’t think Kate+6 or Kate+4 will come to fruition. The articles out about Kate after the Dr. Oz interview came out were scathing. Except for a minute few sheeple, nobody was happy with what she did with Colin.

As far as the recent documents, maybe Admin could read through them and tell us exactly what they mean with regard to future filming of the remaining tups.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

capecodmama (#140), any show title with a different number would only be a constant reminder of her family's upheaval. TFW's brand was being a good mother and she FAILED.
Publicly, professionally, personally and now legally.

Giff said...

I definitely think Kate is over. Her plan was obviously to keep Collin "plodding" along , locked away till he was 18 and continue to film. There are people out there who know this. The reason she has not gone public with her sob story of saying she did what she thought was right, is because there are receipts. I'm guessing not filming is the least of her worries right now. She better get her stupid little pink calculator out and start trying to justify all the money she wasted. It's one thing for her to try to destroy her ex and keep him broke and humiliated, but it's an entire new level of evil to do that to her own children.

Sad but true said...

Giff said... 142

It's one thing for her to try to destroy her ex and keep him broke and humiliated, but it's an entire new level of evil to do that to her own children.
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Truer words have never been spoken about this unconscionable bitch. I can't wait for her whole Collin ruse to come undone. I would love to see her sued by someone with deep pockets, like her insurance company or the state of PA, if they bore any or all of the costs to keep him locked up. Let's see TLC bail her out of THAT one.

And I do wonder if TLC/Figure 8 just didn't know about the permits (assuming the old ones were still valid, or maybe just an oversight), or if she just flat out lied to them. If it's the latter, why would either of these companies have any desire to work with her again? I wonder if she had to return any of what she was paid for that episode.

PatK said...

I hope Katie's squirming. But, knowing what a weasel she is, I'm sure she's got a plan in the works for future filming income. I'm not writing off TLC just yet. Look how they continued filming the Duggars after the Josh incident.

Although, I would think Kate broke her contract by not obtaining the necessary permits for the kids...but would TLC actually ditch her because of that?

There is only three years left until the "littles" are emancipated and can film without anyone's permission. I'm sure a crappy yearly beach vacation or "catch up" episode can fulfill Katie's needs until then.

God help us all.

Sad but true said...

PatK said... 144

There is only three years left until the "littles" are emancipated and can film without anyone's permission. I'm sure a crappy yearly beach vacation or "catch up" episode can fulfill Katie's needs until then.
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The kids will actually turn 18 the year before their last year of high school. So yeah, all four would still be at home after emancipation for one more year. Nonetheless, that would mean another 2.5 years without filming---how on earth could she make that work financially? If she doesn't downsize and/or pull the kids out of private school, that is?

I honestly can't see anyone hiring her for brand promotion at this point (unless they haven't done a lick of research beforehand, like the crookbook publisher). Does Kate really have a "brand" anymore after all the recent revelations? A brand that TLC wants to continue to promote? Are they really that crazy? And besides the nostalgia factor, what else does she have that's marketable? Unless someone wants to go with "psycho-mom-of-8" (Mad TV?), who is gonna watch her?

It's a puzzle, for sure.

foxy said...

Aren't the tups in the 8th grade this year? They should have been in 9th grade, but Kate held them back to keep filming and a couple of them weren't ready. So they have 4 1/2 more years with Mother. I hope they survive.

Wowser said...

Another perspective on what happened in court.
The dogs In the back are an added bonus. Lol

https://youtu.be/RmfMPPgVqoU

bookworm said...

foxy said... 146
Aren't the tups in the 8th grade this year? They should have been in 9th grade, but Kate held them back to keep filming and a couple of them weren't ready. So they have 4 1/2 more years with Mother. I hope they survive.

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I believe they are in 9th grade but should be in 10th based on their age.

Layla said...

Sad but true (145) said...
he kids will actually turn 18 the year before their last year of high school. So yeah, all four would still be at home after emancipation for one more year. Nonetheless, that would mean another 2.5 years without filming---how on earth could she make that work financially?
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Even if Kate can't film the kids until they're 18, she's no better off once they turn 18. Once they are of age, she can't sign contracts for them and she can't negotiate their pay. They get their own contracts, and they get their own paychecks. They can negotiate their own pay and there's nothing she can do about that. So that 10% of the production budget that is used for salaries will be split between them all. No more taking it all for herself. It's all downhill from here for her.

Wowser (147)
Thanks for the link! I have to wonder if TLC isn't planning on filming another season of K8+D8. The court papers stated that she'd need Jon's approval to film the kids for any dating show centered around Kate's dating life, whatever the title may be. Is she planning on shopping a dating show around to other networks, hoping they'll pick it up? Otherwise, why would TLC change the name? I suspect TLC isn't jumping at the chance to film another season. And even Kate has to know that K+8 is dead in the water. There is no "8", and she will never be able to produce 8 kids for filming ever again. The kids are older, and quite frankly, not that interesting. Everyone knows the awful things she has done to make those kids film. Jon's gag order is up and he isn't keeping his mouth shut. They have to jump through hoops to even schedule filming, and after all that work Jon can still hold things up by requesting a court order to stop it. Oh, and ratings suck. Do they really want to deal with all that?

MP said...

From Kate's diary, in January 2007 when M&C were in kindergarten:
"Jon and I continue to be irritated with the Elizabethtown school system. Kev and Jodi aren’t annoyed but we feel that we need to look into the whole Lancaster Country Day situation for the girls. I am praying that God works out a scholarship for them to attend. Their brains are being wasted away and I hate it! There is an open house this Thursday so we shall see. Oh Jon just said it is a financial meeting- Yikes!"

Three months later:
"
I don’t know if I mentioned the AWESOME news: a few days after we got back from LA, the call came in about Cara and Mady’s financial aid/ scholarship money…. They are going to provide 12000 each of the 13500 that first grade costs!!!! We are responsible for the other 1500 and the 1200 each that bussing will cost for the year so that brings us to about 5400 for the school year which is a lot but so worth the sacrifice for the awesome education they will receive!!! I am human so I am already fretting about the next year and what if we can’t afford it etc but I don’t want to underestimate the power of God… He knows what we need and what is best for us and I just KNOW that it will all work out!"

Anonymous said...

I hope this is the new post. I went down from Central Coast to see my Mom in Orange County. My boyfriend of 26 years and I brought down Danish Solvang cookies. Everyone loved them. Then, my Mom gave them a red keyboard for karaoke day. Merry Christmas!

Kristine 101

Anonymous said...

From Dmasy --

Merry Christmas and happy all holidays to everyone.

Wishing you days of love and the warmth of friends.

Wowser said...

https://youtu.be/FEthS8jukVY

Interesting and some extra info about Jon and Collin

Sandylove said...

Anyone else see the online article from In Touch where a "source" says Mady wants to form her own identity and would like it if her mom didn't comment on her social media posts? They state her going away to college has actually made them closer but "she doesn't want to be associated with the reality show and her parents drama". Is Mady using her "source to get the message to Kate not to comment on her posts?!

Giff said...

I believe the article that Mady wants distance from Kate. Mady ignored the comment she made on the picture of her with a friend in which Kate said "Study hard girls I love you!" Lol Kate is no longer in charge of Mady's life. She needs to leave her alone. Plus, those kids have been isolated in a small private school their entire lives. They are now with kids who might have formed negative opinions of "Mother" based on the facts...assuming they even know who she is in the first place. Having Kate Gosselin as a mother is like having an anchor around your neck in more ways than one. It's time for these kids to cut her loose before they sink with her.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

am human so I am already fretting about the next year and what if we can’t afford it etc but I don’t want to underestimate the power of God… He knows what we need and what is best for us and I just KNOW that it will all work out!"

$$$

I’m kind of partial to fundie Kate. I find her much more entertaining than, say, running Kate or lawsuit Kate.

ncgirl said...

"Anyone else see the online article from In Touch where a "source" says Mady wants to form her own identity and would like it if her mom didn't comment on her social media posts?"

Here's the article about Mady wanting her own identity.
https://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/kate-plus-8-star-mady-gosselin-wants-to-have-her-own-identity/

There was also an article about Mady giving online tips.

https://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/kate-plus-8s-mady-gosselin-gives-tip-on-how-to-edit-instagram-photos/

Merry Christmas to all.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Kristine 101 (#151), always nice to see you posting. Merry Christmas!
And happy holidays to all of you, however you celebrate.

Admin (#156), yeah, Fundie Kate sounded almost normal. Maybe the fame and fortune that followed brought out whatever character defects were lying dormant in her.

Ingrid said...

Merry Christmas to everyone. I hope your holiday is great!

foxy said...

Mady may want her own identity but she is still her mother's daughter, and that is one thing that won't change. She wants to be the next Olivia Jade but she doesn't have what it takes. We will see what becomes of her in the next year or two. Cara seems to be taking a very low profile attitude with all the drama she has had in her life.

capecodmama said...

Merry Christmas all who Celebrate!

Wowser said...

I think it’s pretty telling that tfw knows her days on tv are toast. She only uses her fans and tweets and fun fun fun family pics when she needs to use her few followers to keep people interested. I think she will be on radio silence forever. Her brand is now officially monster mom and nothing she says, does or posts will change that. Merry Christmas Gosselin kids 🎄🎁

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Hey Admin, NJ has a serviceman returning home from Afghanistan.
In a body bag.
When his corpse arrives at Andrews, his commander in chief will be on, headed to, or recently returned from his private golf club.

$$$

Which is exactly why it’s time to pull out. Isn’t it great somebody finally is doing just that? Nobody in charge the last 18 years was capable of doing that.

So nobody can golf if someone is abroad in uniform, is that the rule? Got it. (By the way, as you clearly aren’t aware, many of our troops love golf and golf frequently while deployed, I imagine they find it a relaxing and head clearing activity, good for anyone in a leadership role. It is impossible to be at your peek performance while working without having a balance of down time https://erinhills.com/uncategorized/golf-deployed-afghanistan/)

Wowser said...

A break on Christmas from trump derangement trolls would be nice for you admin. Eye roll. Just scroll on people.

Sandylove said...

Looks like Hannah is in NYC for Xmas, looking very happy with her friend. And everyday I'm seeing new articles about Kate's legal trouble. Yup, she can't escape it now with lies she might put out there.

Merry Christmas to all!

Patsy said...

Happy Holidays Everyone!

There is an awesome holiday pic of Jon's blended family on Colleen's Instagram. It includes a family dog now! Good for Collin!!! Happy Happy Family!

Sad but true said...

Merry Xmas to all my fellow posters here!

I am hoping the new year will finally see an end to Kate's shenanigans and that ALL the Gosselin kids will be able to reconcile with their father without a guilt-trip imposed by their mother.

Thanks to everyone, especially Admin, for being here and contributing. It's been a lotta years now, and I'm so very happy for the company.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Merry Xmas to all my fellow posters here!

I am hoping the new year will finally see an end to Kate's shenanigans and that ALL the Gosselin kids will be able to reconcile with their father without a guilt-trip imposed by their mother.

Thanks to everyone, especially Admin, for being here and contributing. It's been a lotta years now, and I'm so very happy for the company.


&&&

Same to you!

I fear Kate will never realize that the greatest gift she could give her children is the ability to grow up with all their siblings and father, to see them on a regular basis and be together in the same home, even if it's two different homes.

JR said...

Mady wants her own identity?? Nope... Kate will do everything in her power to make sure that doesn’t happen... she still wants those kids under her thumb... narcs don’t like it when they lose control over their victims

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Patsy (#166), Radar has that beautiful picture up now. As I've said before, H's and C's joy shines through on their faces. Those smiled are genuine. What a relief to not be steered around by the head anymore.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Patsy (#166), Radar has that beautiful picture up now. As I've said before, H's and C's joy shines through on their faces. Those smiled are genuine. What a relief to not be steered around by the head anymore.

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Such a sweet family. I'm a sucker for families that do the Christmas pajamas thing. We never did!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I believe the article that Mady wants distance from Kate. Mady ignored the comment she made on the picture of her with a friend in which Kate said "Study hard girls I love you!"

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That says a lot. Call it intuition but I just knew a kid in Mady's shoes doesn't need their mother bulldozing their way onto their damn instagram.

Patsy said...

Admin. (#170). Yes I saw that Radar has now picked up on the pic. The more news outlets that do so the better. Such happiness! Awwwwwww, Karma is a real bit#$!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Admin, do you know what I have always wanted to say? This turd has finally stopped circling the drain and is spinning, spinning, speeding down the shit pipe into the sewer.

PAPER PLATES FOREVER

&&&

Never met a turd that didn't flush eventually!!!

franky said...

Yay! Karma train is pulling into town! Rumspringa with a hint of maple is available in my bunker, second left under verandah. WOOT WOOT!!!

Patsy said...

Flimsy/Flamsy (#170) Oops ... credited wrong person for comment. Sorry. Karma is sweeeeettttt for sure. I love the dog addition too!

just wondering said...

I'm hoping that Kate isn't as stressed with half the kids gone. Aiden & Joel probably just hang out in the basement as much as possible. With just Leah & Alexis, maybe Kate can stay cooped up in her bedroom without much drama around the house. That's my hope, anyway. At least the house is big enough that everyone can find a quiet place to retreat.

I survived Christmas Eve!! It was a massive Mexican Chile bar with loads of Mexican apps, dips, & chile. Now all I have to do is sit back & eat leftovers for days. Whew!! I made 10 loaves of banana bread from scratch, 4 dozen deviled eggs, & 6 double batches of toll house cookies. I'm not getting out of bed for a week!

This Indiana girl never knew there were so many different kinds of chiles!! i only managed to slice myself 3 times & am calling it a win.

capecodmama said...

I wonder if the four remaining tups at Kate’s are envious of the life Hannah and Collin are living now with Jon. H & C seem to be living the dream after the nightmare with Kate.

just wondering...177. Good job. You can send leftovers my way. Sounds delicious.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

So Schmoopy has only 5 more days to cough up 25 grand to Jon? No wonder she didn't post a picture of a sea of wrapped gifts like she did in the old days. Her new persona must be Penny Pinching Mom. Or, if she can stomach the indignity of being mediocre, Unemployed Mom.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


So Schmoopy has only 5 more days to cough up 25 grand to Jon?

$$$

What is it her good friend Bullyville used to say? Tick tock!

Karma is so fun.

jolie Jacquelyn said...

just wondering...77
You're to be congratulated, sounds wonderful !

I can't imagine the atmosphere in TFW's so called "home" right about now. The poor kids.

I hope everyone is having a safe & happy time with family & friends over this holiday season. All the best in 2020!!

Layla said...

franky (175)!!!! We have missed you! It's so good to see you back!

Oh dear, Christmas has passed with no pictures of the 50,000 cinnamon rolls Kate claims to bake each year, no stories of her kids screeching and shrieking as they open gifts, no grifting for free Christmas lights. Did she even leave baked goods on top of the garbage cans for the sanitation guys?

I don't blame Mady for wanting a life away from Kate. If I were her, I'd be irritated by Kate's "study hard!" comment. I would want my mother to butt out and let me just have some fun sometimes--and besides, I'm sure Mady and her friend have figured out by now that they need to do a certain amount of studying in college. No wonder she didn't respond to Kate's comment. I'm sure there were some major eyes rolls, though.

Unknown said...

I don’t think Mady’s reaction to her Mother’s comment is all that unusual... I had my beloved granddaugter tell me in no uncertain terms that she would let me follow her on instagram only if I never commented. I can’t figure out if she want to give the illusion of being completely independent or if she just doesn’t want her friends to know what a dinosaur I am...

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

rt and...":

I don’t think Mady’s reaction to her Mother’s comment is all that unusual... I had my beloved granddaugter tell me in no uncertain terms that she would let me follow her on instagram only if I never commented. I can’t figure out if she want to give the illusion of being completely independent or if she just doesn’t want her friends to know what a dinosaur I am...

$$$$

Not unusual at all. It’s Kate who is unusual not realizing what everyone else has, that you simply don’t bulldozed your way into your freshman daughter and her friends’ lives.

MikeB said...

I just hope Mady puts forth the effort to do well in school. It is fine to try to establish an identity apart from Kate, but if she is trying to become an "influencer" like Olivia Jade (Lori Loughlin's daughter) then there is no way she can do so without relying on her ties to the Gosselin saga.

I hope I'm wrong, but I have my doubts Mady will finish college before trying her hand at the fame game full time.

Anonymous said...

Mady is going to have an increasing hard time finding work as an influencer. Many companies are moving away from using influencers because they don't give a positive return on their investment. Most are tired of "influencers" asking for items. These items include high value items line: free vacation, wardrobes, kitchen items, and housing renovations.

Andrea

Wowser said...

In my opinion, Mady has the narcissistic tendencies that her mother does. She has always spoken down to the sextuplets, it’s all about her and how much they drive her nuts, she’s dismissive and rude to others and doesn’t seem to care what they think and she likes the focus on her...with that being said, time will tell if it’s a learned behavior from mommy dearest or if she does have those tendencies. If it’s the latter, then i think Mike B is correct and she will attempt to stay in the limelight.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Layla (#182), yep, it looks like the Christian woman with the "Grateful Mom" T-shirt who had others pass a basket around for her family at churches across the country didn't say boo this Christmas. Not even a "J had a hangnail, so we missed church, but we watched the online service." I guess like everything else with this transactional person, religion is only in her life when it knows how to help her. After that, it's kicked to the curb.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

My previous comment about TFW and her apparent abandoning of her faith might seem harsh. Religious choices should be private. But as she said publically, she MADE her life our business. And once you've had your toddlers filmed with their pants literally down around their ankles, you've shown you don't care a whit about privacy.

I think TFW's very first "brand" was Christian mom. How else could she have gone from church to church with her hand out? Then she took off those training wheels, had the girls inflated, and seemed to have never looked back. But methinks if she was ever in danger of losing that house, she'd go right back to those same churches for help.

Anonymous said...

So Schmoopy has only 5 more days to cough up 25 grand to Jon?
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And doesn’t Schmoopy have a balloon payment coming due on her mortgage soon?? Poor Kate. Plus half a million dollars total for the twins expensive colleges. Whatever will she do?
-Gigi Be

Anonymous said...

I hope everyone had a great holiday.

Derick Dillard is spilling the tea. Derick and Jill thought that the show was a ministry and the Duggar's were not being paid. TLC reimbursed dome of the costs but the family was not being paid. He also said that his family is not welcome at the main Duggar house without permission from Jim Bob. They are not allowed to go over unless Jim Bob is there. It sounds like the Dillard's have had a falling out with the rest of the family.

Andrea

Sad but true said...

Anonymous said... 191

He actually BELIEVED that JB wasn't getting paid by the network? That it was just some freebies, like construction on their house or the many "missioncations" this family has taken over the years, or parking-lot reception weddings? Is he under the impression that "the ministry" is anything other than a tax dodge?

Exactly how stupid do you have to be? This just takes the cake. Thanks for posting this, Andrea.

bjm19047 said...

I am surprised at how many Jon haters are still out there. You would have to be under a rock at this point to not know that Kate refused to co-parent, she didn't even tell Jon where Collin was or discuss the decision to institutionalize him with his father. I simply don't get it. I had an "argument" on Facebook today about this … which tells you I really need to get off Facebook! I never claimed to be a perfect parent, and I had one heck of a bitter divorce with my difficult ex, but I always made sure he was involved with the decisions he should have been involved in when it came to the kids.

Sad but true said...

bjm19047 said... 193

It is true that TLC/Kate were so masterful in selling the fiction that Jon was cheating on Kate before the marriage ended, there are people out there who will NEVER budge from that belief, even if Katie Kreider herself were to substantiate its truth. Which of course will never happen. After 10+ years of Kate claiming that she was doing it all alone alone alone, because she was "done wrong" by her "man-child" husband, there is nothing you could put in front of these fans. They will never realize that they were snookered, and it's easier for them to ignore the whole Collin situation than actually come around to see how it was all engineered and manipulated by Kate. To the everlasting detriment of one of her prized cash cows.

There is one on her iG (havanesejackson) who has repeatedly blamed JON for Collin's situation: "he should have been a better father in the earlier years; he shouldn't have been screwing around; he shouldn't have been so immature; he should have stuck around instead of getting an apartment in NYC"; etc., etc. There is NO recognition that Collin's problems have ANYTHING to do with Kate: This one claims Jon KNEW Collin had "special needs" and effectively abandoned his son anyway. She has either never seen or simply forgotten that there are photos from 2010-13 where Collin is seen on visitation with his Dad and siblings and seems quite normal and happy.

There will never be any getting through to these people, not even showing unabridged court transcripts/filings would help---they will just continue to claim they've somehow been doctored. Some people just prefer to keep their heads in the sand.

Giff said...

Sad but true...I've had a few,"disagreements" with that same person. They just can't accept that the person they chose to admire could be so heartless. They are grasping at straws to defend her and even go so far as to blame the children. Personally, I do not understand how they became so attached to a woman on a reality show and think of her as a friend. They would be devastated to know how little Kate respects them. She uses them like she uses everyone else in her life. If she needs them, she throws them a few crumbs on Instagram and when she doesn't, she ignores them. I have to admit, Kate was capable of more cruelty than I had originally thought...especially toward Collin. The truth will come out and they will have to decide if she is worth defending. If they choose to continue to defend her, that says much more about their own issues than it does Kate's.

Flight of the Kiwi said...

There are none so blind as those who will not see

Layla said...

Sadbt true (194)
I can't understand why Kate's remaining fans are so worked up over Jon having a short-term lease (he was there for maybe 6 months) on an apartment in NYC. He was only there when it was not his visitation time with the kids. During visitation he was in PA with his kids. Kate wouldn't allow him to be around the kids during her time, so why does it matter where he lived when he wasn't with them? Kate was reportedly shopping for a condo in Bethesda, MD where she could stay during Jon's time with the kids. Coincidentally, Bethesda is very close to where Steve lives. And far away from the kids. So why was it so wrong for Jon to be in NY when it wasn't his visitation time, but they have no problem with Kate's plans to live in MD when it wasn't her visitation time? They also continue to harp on Jon for wearing Ed Hardy shirts 10 years ago, but don't seem to mind the fact that Kate, at the same time, was dressing like a hooker. They claim Jon was cheating, yet don't have a problem with Kate leaving the kids for long stretches of time to travel with her (married!) reported lover, Steve. What a bunch of hypocrites!

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Derick Dillard inadvertently busted Jill's cover as a blissfully happy wife and mother. He claims being on TLC drove them to the "brink of sanity" (maybe he meant "insanity?") but that ain't what the missus is peddling on her social media: Look at the yummy dish I made for dinner! Here's my new pretty top! Who else out there loves being a boymom! #DateNight#Blessed#BestHubbyEver!

All this Facebook/Insta nonsense presents some carefully curated image to which other people compare themselves. If we didn't know the truth about TFW, we might have bought the SM version of her life as a busy, devoted, hardworking mom who was crazy about her kids and dogs.
Yeah, no.

Jillygee said...

Wonder what ol Stevie’s been up to?

Wowser said...

Wow. Watched this and it’s dead on with what jon and the kids experience with mommy dearest. Kate needs help.

https://youtu.be/qLsJw0nhSiw

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