Monday, November 18, 2019

Jon's 11.18.19 appearance on Dr. Oz

https://www.doctoroz.com/episode/after-10-years-silence-jon-gosselin-finally-reveals-what-happened-kate-their-8-kids

293 sediments (sic) from readers:

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Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


We're just not in any position to say that this or that is what a recovering abused child needs.
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But you have done precisely that by accusing those of us who take exception to what Jon is doing of enabling child abusers. By your own admission, you are not in a position to say what this or that child needs, so stop hurling insults at those of us who happen to disagree with you because your opinion is no more or less valid.

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But it's not that you disagree with Jon's opinion or agree with it or that I disagree with what you think of him or don't think of him. This is different, because you want to shut him up all together so we don't hear anything at all. And I think you want to shut him up because it's all you have left in trying to defend Kate because there IS no defending Kate if he speaks (as proven today). That is the very definition of enabling a child abuser. If you don't know what he has to say, how can you judge? So yeah you're a child abuser enabler if you tell anyone who was a victim or is trying to support the victims to shut up don't tell your story, it is what it is. #metoo

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

of the pack and all that responsibility. She just wanted to be a kid," Jon claimed. "Kate targeted her. I mean, who puts all that pressure on to someone that's 12 years old? It's a lot."

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I'm sure she did get flipping tired of this strange typecast role. She wants to be HANNAH. Not Mommy's helper, not the leader, not the one in charge. She was TWO YEARS OLD when a couple cute qualities emerged that suggest she of was a bit more strong willed than the others and she quickly grew out of it and was just another normal kid. How obnoxious to constantly be reminded of a couple traits you had as a toddler.

We have said for over ten years here it's terribly unhealthy to peg kids in these strange little roles and define them by a few passing traits. Let them be them, let them grow and change, stop trying to box them in. As proven by Hannah needing freaking therapy over all this, it's horrific to do that to kids, emotionally abusive.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Admin....Harry needs to realize it wasn’t just the press that killed his mother. Impaired driver, speeding, Diana not wearing a seatbelt and the press were all at fault. I heard an interview after the crash by a “celebrity reporter” who said she had done an interview in a limo with Dodi al Fayed once where the paps were following them and he was telling the driver to go faster, while he was laughing them. Through the streets of Manhatten no less. She said she was terrified. So I can imagine him telling the impaired
driver to faster. Who knows, he may have tipped off the paps himself.

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It's true there were a lot of contributing factors but I consider the paparazzi chasing them to be Factor A which led to all the other factors coming together in a very terrible way. William and Harry have gone on record that what really disturbs them the most was the same paparazzi chasing her when the accident occurred then took photos of her dying in the back seat instead of stopping to help.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noRhyUaFXqk

I took it that's what they mean when the paparazzi killed her they mean they didn't help. During the French inquest it emerged that had Diana gotten to the hospital quicker she might have had a fighting chance. From crash time to hospital it was an hour and six minutes. Staggering. Of course part of that is about French emergency response protocol at the time which meant treat the patient as much as you can at the scene instead of rushing them to the hospital. There was a witness to the accident who was a tourist riding home in a taxi who said he wanted to open Diana's door (he had no idea it was Diana) and help her but that a policeman on the scene told him no no get away. He said it was 15 minutes or more while she sat there alone in the back seat, nobody opening the door to help. These are very disturbing details that William and Harry have indicated they are very much aware of.

I think bottom line is there is no getting around she died in a horrific way, there is no getting around how devastating and disturbing it will always be, and there is no getting around the fact that media attention does cause harm to people whether big or small. But for William and Harry to have happy lives they have GOT to figure out a way to cope with all this. I think William has figured out a way to pump himself up that he lives his life so that his mother would not worry and he wouldn't squander what she taught him and that's his way to cope. We will see if that works for him long term. For Harry I don't know that he's found that trick that works for him that gets him through. I had hoped Meghan with all her knowledge of things like meditation could help him but he seems as disturbed as ever about it. I had hoped having Archie would give him a new focus on the next generation so he could try to not dwell so much on his mother. But all his relationship with Meghan seems to have done is ramped up the press on him which before Meghan had rather settled down on him, and I think it's a real fear that eventually he might one day years from now resent Meghan for stirring this all up again.

As always for any royal watcher just when you think the royals are a snooze again something ramps up again and there's another interesting page to turn.

Anonymous said...

Kate is waiting by the phone for all the news outlets to ask her for an exclusive interview. Interviews that include VIP treatment.

Andrea

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


I'm as suspicious as everyone else about this family, but if these rumors are unfounded, I really feel badly for the family. If guilty he or they deserve the bad publicity and fallout, but if innocent of this rumor's allegations shame on whomever started it. Stories like this can and do ruin lives.

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That is a really bizarre and detailed story to make up. But I would sooner believe it was another agency involved and not the FBI and that was the mix up, rather than it didn't happen. We'll see. The fact that a bunch of them have gotten quiet suggests SOMETHING is up.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


? So yeah you're a child abuser enabler if you tell anyone who was a victim or is trying to support the victims to shut up don't tell your story, it is what it is. #metoo
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Bullshit. I firmly beliwve that it is not in the best interest of the children for this to be discussed in the media. There are othee avenues for him to defend his children in the real world -- among family, friends, etc. I have never on e said he shouldn't speak up in those situations. You live for this public back and forth because it is fodder for your blog. You don't give the slightest fuck about what is best for these kids.

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Child abuser enablers always get so angry when you call them out for what they are, child abuser enablers.

You never got this angry over Kate trotting the kids out to trash their father.

You don't care about the kids, you care about protecting Kate from the nasty truth.

amc said...

A minor consideration posted about Jon’s interview on their Facebook page. I thought that was great

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


I don’t follow the royals but she probably just wants to relax and not follow their rules for a bit... after all they are still in-laws... and we all what that feels like over the holidays ๐Ÿ˜‚

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I'm really not seeing this working long term and it's not because Meghan is bad for Harry or self absorbed or all these complaints about her just not being cut out for this.

As much as I'm a royal fan, I can't see liking Christmas in Scotland with all the hunting, the very chilly weather, the meat pies and sausages and brandy. And it's been suggested Meghan doesn't like much of that either.

She is a girl who wants to do yoga, explore a remote beach in Italy with her bestest girlfriends, have a green smoothie for breakfast and meditate, and count her macros as she cooks up an organic vegan lunch and dinner. The royal family is REALLY going to have to keep an open mind for a native CA girl like this to work out.

just wondering said...

A lot to catch up on.. The recap & the lobotomist snark.. LOLOL

*** There's no need to fuel rumors that she orchestrated the multiples ***
Oh yes she did!! And Robert & Dana Hoffman have the packaging for the hormone injection that she ordered along with the hard drive from their old computer.

Blind Gossip has a story up about Meghan keeping a journal about The Firm. If so,she won't be included in any further heart to heart conversations with anyone, much less anyone speaking within earshot of her.

Collin & Hannah - Glad they are in counseling, sorry that it is going to take them decades of deprogramming & rewiring their thinking.

Kate and one cracked rib?? Poor Schmoopy. Maybe she should have a bone density test. I've had many. They only hurt when you wake up, sit up & they decompress.

And after waiting & having to bite his tongue for 10 long years, Jon is finally free to speak. And I have a feeling he is only doing it to reach the other kids. Maybe letters would be better for M&C? Wonder if he has tried that, yet. Something in his own handwriting & a note from Collin?

Anonymous said...

Admin...3. I apologize. That was my comment and I forgot to type my name before I hit publish.

I am glad Jon did the interview. Ten years of being gagged while your ex wife and TLC spew lies about you and your children is too much. All for the almighty dollar. Collin and Hannah seem to be thriving and I hope they continue to heal in the loving environment they are now in.

capecodmama

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Andrea (#4), poor Schmoopy must be jonesing for some fish in paper pretty badly about now. But it may be quicker to just pick up a Filet O' Fish at McDonald's. Oh, and fill out a job application while she's there.

Concerned Aussie said...

"Gosselin, 42, revealed that he has received "50 to 60" letters from the Pennsylvania Department of Human Services over the years notifying him that allegations of suspected child abuse were being investigated Yahoo Entertainment reached out to a representative for Kate regarding the child abuse allegations, but did not receive a response. (The Department of Human Services ultimately determined abuse reports were "unfounded" due to a lack of evidence.) Jon said that Kate's "pattern of abuse" included running a military-esque regimen, making the kids do chores and tasks beyond what any normal child should endure."

Hi Everyone,
I can't speak for the Pennsylvania legal system, and even here in Australia the Child Protection laws vary from state to state. BUT: 50 to 60 notifications of abuse (which generally in my experience include notifications from mandatory reporters such as school teachers) is a huge amount of notifications and enormous red flag, and would generate a mandatory investigation into the allegations by Child Services.And in the case of so many notifications of abuse, would be an urgent 24 hour investigation.)The urgency would depend on whether the child is at immediate risk of harm and whether there is a relative both able and willing to protect the child.
The 50 to 60 notifications of abuse from Kate may have been unsubstantiated due to lack of evidence (that happens here too) but the sheer number of allegations (50 to 60)and concern reports regarding the Gosselin children speaks for itself. And generally this level of abuse, whether unsubstantiated or not will eventually lead to a notification which becomes substantiated. Kate has been pretty slippery about getting around this.
Go Jon! Speak your truth with everything you've got.

JR said...

Narcs can’t take it when you call them out... it causes a “narcissist injury”

MamaC said...

Jon mentioned in his interview that TLC paid to have him in counselling because he was refusing to do the show and they couldn't believe anyone would give up all that money. They should have sent Kate, so she could learn to co parent effectively with her ex and be a decent mother.

Lorrie said...

Here's the full episode:

https://www.ctv.ca/Dr-Oz

Ingrid said...

Lorrie said... 15
Here's the full episode:
https://www.ctv.ca/Dr-Oz
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I tried but it is only available in Canada. On Dr. Oz website he only has the preview clip on there.

Ingrid said...

Found this. Says it is 13 min. so may be all of it minus the ads. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ1gis7x0QA

Kylie said...

Thanks for posting this Admin. I think Jon did a great job of presenting the facts we always knew were true about Kate and defending himself against the almighty TLC and Kate. I just have a question about when Jon said he went before the judge with the letter from Collin and Kate was there and still would not tell where he was. How could she get away with that with the judge sitting right there?? How could that be? I mean, couldn't the judge have thrown her in jail for not answering to him (the judge) where Collin was? She is an awful woman/human being and I just hope she is sitting at home and finally very worried about her future.

JM said...

I watched online. I'm glad he brings up that he was home with the kids and she was on speaking tours. I think the general public has a misconception about that because a lot of comments I see in response to articles are, well, he abandoned her at home with eight kids, and it has always irritated me!
Also, they showed the complete letter from Collin. When the Daily Mail printed it, it had a portion blocked out. It says: "Dr. _______ is hurting me. He is giving me bruises and sitting on my chest until I can’t breathe." (I left out the dr's name but it was in there.)
And Jon says, once he learned where he was, he called the facility and they said you can be involved in everything. He went over, visited him 2 times a month for a year, said he cried when he got to see him again, and had to have reconnection therapy as he didn't know anything about Collin as he hadn't seen him in so long.
I really think this is his best interview, as sad as it all is. It may be that other tabloids or shows chop up what he says because he sometimes doesn't sound coherent, like his thoughts go off on a tangent when being interviewed but he doesn't do that in this interview. Very articulate, not mean-spirited about everything and seems very genuine in his concern for his family.

foxy said...

I hope Kate pays in some way severely for what she has done to these children. She has taught them to hate their father and even each other. There is hope for Cara, H & C, but the others must be very fragile at this time. Can you imagine the pain and fear Collin went through for 3 years in that facility? Not to mention the years from birth with Kate. She should be locked away just like Collin and suffer the same penalties. I wonder if the other kids are aware of the letter Collin had smuggled out for help.

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JM said... 19

A doctor treating him by sitting on his chest??? That place sounds straight out of Victorian England.

As bad as that is, here is what InTouch added to the story (https://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/jon-gosselin-claims-son-collin-was-wrongly-institutionalized-on-dr-oz/):

"The father of eight claims his ex-wife, Kate Gosselin, forced their son Collin into a special needs institution without any medical conditions in a new interview with Dr. Oz on Monday, November 18.

“She, Kate, institutionalized him without a diagnosis, which created a diagnosis. He was wrongly institutionalized,” Jon, 42, told the TV doctor. “Just because he was a difficult child, does not mean he had to be sent away. It took me two years to find him. I had physical custody and not legal at the time and the only way I found out where Collin was — Collin wrote a letter, his roommate smuggled it out, called my manager, my manager vetted the roommate and that’s how I found out where Collin was.”

Jon said once he learned of what Collin was going through, he was heartbroken. “I was actually in the airport in Mexico when it was sent to me and I felt like, we have got to figure this out,” Jon recalled. He said he later presented the letter to the judge and called the special needs facility himself. “They said ‘Mr. Gosselin, we can do anything you want.’ I drove my car — first time I saw him in three years.”

Although Jon was happy to see his son, he said the facility left Collin just a shell of human. “He was different because he was on Thorazine and all of these medicines, like, all doped up. He [weighed] 75 lbs more than what you see now because he was tranquilized most of the time.”

Since then, Jon won custody of Collin in December 2018 and says he is doing “great” and is in JRTC. Kate, 44, has not made any effort to connect with Collin now that he is in Jon’s care, a source told RadarOnline. Jon added that Collin is left with PTSD from his days in the institution. He said he has seen countless doctors to help him recover."

He was on Thorazine (typically used to medicate schizophrenics and manic-depressives) and gained 75 lbs?! Did NO ONE in the facility notice a 75-LB weight gain on a 12-year-old? And express concern about it? How was this allowed to happen?

I wonder how much Collin's nondiagnostic "diagnosis" cost Kate; I wouldn't doubt that she shopped around for a doctor who could be bought. And I wonder if she suckered some insurance company (or the State of PA) into paying for it. Or, even worse, if she used Collin's trust fund to cover it. There's a lot of muck under the surface here, I'm thinking Jon's comments don't even scratch the surface. I hope she finds herself in a LOT of trouble with authorities. At a minimum, if TLC hasn't already severed ties with her, this should do it.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

There are certain good therapies for kids on the spectrum that legitimately involve pressure on the body, I suspect that might be the origin of pressure on Collin's chest, but the thing is, if nobody is telling Jon WTF is going on, how is he to know what the therapy is, the purpose of it, Collin's response to it, and whether this is an appropriate therapy and medical team for his child? It's reprehensible he wasn't made part of the discussion from day one.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

* There's no need to fuel rumors that she orchestrated the multiples ***
Oh yes she did!! And Robert & Dana Hoffman have the packaging for the hormone injection that she ordered along with the hard drive from their old computer.

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I understand there's evidence for it, the point being is that Jon was kind enough to just leave well enough alone at times. At this point, that doesn't matter. In other words, he didn't just go up there and rip Kate to kingdom come, which shows restraint and gives him credibility.

Giff said...

Can Jon sue Kate on Collin's behalf? She deserves to lose everything she has. There is very special place in hell waiting for that bitch.

Clack said...

How did she get away with refusing to tell john when Collin was? I can’t remember, but didn’t he take her to court to find out? If so, did a judge really agree John had no right to know? He’s the boys father! I know she thought she was so cleaver not telling him.
She makes me sick!

Anonymous said...

Someone posted over the weekend about the Duggar's being investigated. It looks like they are being investigated by the Department of Homeland Security. I wonder if it has to do with their sham charity MedicCorps. They brought guns to Bermuda when they went there after the hurricane. They used those guns to intimidation other organizations. They also did other things that were questionable.

Article about Duggar's behavior in Bermuda

https://starcasm.net/duggars-medic-corps-hurricane-dorian-relief-bahamas-controversy/

Article about the current investigation

https://www.nwahomepage.com/news/knwa/homeland-security-investigations-raid-duggar-home/

Andrea

JR said...

I KNEW IT!!!!!!!!

JoyinVirginia said...

Admin, thanks for the link. Dr. Oz was a great choice of interviewer for Jon to be with.

Andrea, thank you for posting the link to this Duggar article and photos. https://starcasm.net/duggars-medic-corps-hurricane-dorian-relief-bahamas-controversy/
The Duggar and Bates guys that were there are definitely liars and grifters. TLC would be wise to end their connection with this crew before they get a federal subpoena for all their film!

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Anonymous said... 26

Imagine flying your private plane to a disaster zone and then strutting around with a tin badge (as in John-David Duggar, "constable" from no-fucking-where Arkansas) and gunbelt, a couple of which were equipped with actual GUNS.

"Medic Corps"---a not-yet-IRS-sanctioned 501(c)3 Duggar enterprise (and not to be confused with Medicorps, an ACTUAL, long-lived medical assistance operation)---is your handle, and unsuspecting donors (oh yes, there's a website, up less than 24 hours after the "disaster") and free Chic-Fil-A (flown in! Still warm! Could Chic-Fil-A BE any happier?) are your objective. Along with as many selfies as anyone's camera can hold: "Hey, did y'all know the electric would be out here? Where we gonna recharge?"

Sorry, not sorry. This whole scheme was just ill-advised from the word go. Besides having two qualified pilots (and that's assuming Josiah IS actually qualified, I can't IMAGINE knowingly getting into a plane with him at the controls) in the family, what exactly did these people think they were gonna do there? Besides self-promote? Did they bring a plane-load of bottled water or other supplies? NO. Did they fly in qualified medical personnel? NO. Do they even EMPLOY any qualified medical personnel? NO. Did they violate local laws by carrying in unauthorized weapons? YES.

So far as I know, TLC has not included this little diplomatic violation in their programming---yet. Which is just fine, because the social media coverage was more than enough. If the Duggar-adjacent landfill in Arkansas wishes to secede from the Union, on persecuted-Christian grounds, I'm all for it. As long as they ALL stay there.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Yeah second I knew it. Something about that Duggar rumor rang far too true to be a complete fabrication.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I think it may just heal all wounds if Trump’s homeland security is the one to finally take down that awful family. Oh sweet irony.

The whole charity sounds like one big scam and obviously the name is intentionally meant to be confused with other more legitimate agencies and charities. They don’t even try to pretend anymore they’re not full of shit.

url said...

It's reprehensible he wasn't made part of the discussion from day one.

I agree. Why did jon give up his legal rights? Why did he wait THREE years to see Colin? Why did he allow his KIDS to decide 'who comes down the driveway'? Why didn't he insist they all come? Why why why
Both of these parents suck, jon sucks less now, he's a good dad. Now.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


I agree. Why did jon give up his legal rights? Why did he wait THREE years to see Colin? Why did he allow his KIDS to decide 'who comes down the driveway'? Why didn't he insist they all come? Why why why
Both of these parents suck, jon sucks less now, he's a good dad. Now.

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There was a lot of discussion when this was going on and Jon even said that he was reluctant to force the children to see him as that can very often just make the situation even worse. It’s a terrible fine line to walk when you are being alienated. My understanding of the timeline was he was told in no uncertain terms Collin didn’t want to see him, which I think to some extent was true at the time. In an effort to “give Collin his space” he didn’t try to force the contact. In that time Collin went to prison but he was not told, and only found out years later when Colin got a letter to him. It was then Jon immediately went to the courts to start working on rectifying that situation, which understandably took time and a delicate hand to fix. It’s all decisions made in the moment that are hard to give a fair look at with the benefit of hindsight. But full legal custody does not mean one may hide a child from their father.

JR said...

I want to hear Michelle talk baby talk behind jail bars๐Ÿ˜‚

Clack said...

Ohh thank you for the clarification. I assumed he knew Colin was shipped away before the letter was smuggled out of prison and miss smug wouldn’t tell him where Colin was.
Christ this makes it even more sad.

BlueJay said...

I look at this and part of me just hears in my head, "Kate Gosselin is setting the record straight," down the road. Like she used to do back in her heyday. But good grief after this interview how on earth is she going to do that?

This should have never been a reality show. What show orders parents to film "reality" of you will use this diaper brand because we tell you to? That's insane. That's not reality that's control.

Kate saw dollar signs and it was all over then and there no question. Sounds like she never thought this would end truly. I'm say it as in she might have put her son away because: Jon didn't want to film, Collin didn't want to film, Hannah didn't want to film so she got did of them and was trying then to just continue filming anyway she could. HER. Hence the dating show. It really does seem all about her. I do conclude she does need help. How sad.

Which from that, the children surely need help. That poor boy.

What I wonder is why TLC seems to have no regulations or is responsible to absolutely nobody for anything they've done? It's a cable show. Shouldn't they have some responsibility to someone who has watched this for years who is now thinking or has thought to themselves you know....this isn't right? Can't be that this woman from central PA has all this power sucked into this company or this company has all this power and rights just to sit there and film willy nilly at their pleasure and pay fines left and right and that's it. These are PEOPLE. Animals have more rights it feels like sometimes.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

BlueJay (#36), C's situation meant nothing to TLC. He was merely a cast member who was no longer on one of their shows. Sickening but true. It's all about the bottom line to them. They're as transactional as TFW.

Formerly Duped said...

I am also concerned about why Collin wrote that a dr was sitting on his chest giving him bruises, and the amount of medication he was given...we saw the photos of a puffy and pasty boy as opposed to the lean good-looking smiling youth of recent months. I thought those holding therapies were debunked.

That roommate is a real hero.

foxy said...

I wonder if Kate is seriously looking to set the record straight. She is a disgusting excuse of a human. I hope the remaining 4 can get out of there and at least see what she has done to them.

Sad but true said...

foxy said... 39

I'm sure she lays a serious guilt trip on the remaining four. "Oh, what will Mommy do if you leave? I mean, I BREATHE for all of you, as you do for me, how could any of us survive it?" All they need to do is take a close look at Hannah and Collin. It CAN be done, of course there's a cost, but the price they're currently paying is far greater.

Layla said...

I'm sure Kate has been on the phone with every news outlet she can think of, looking for someone to put her on the air to "set the record straight". Her biggest obstacles are lack of public interest in anything she has to say and the risk of someone asking about filming the kids illegally. She's not the big star anymore. She can't control the narrative. Next she'll be calling her lawyer and TLC to ask, "Can we sue?".

I think Jon did a great job in the interview. He laid everything on the line without being vindictive. It was interesting to me to hear that the kids are isolated by Kate--something we long suspected. I've always wondered why she lives where she does. Why live in Ghettoville when she could buy a similar house in Lancaster? She'd be close to the kids' school and friends. She seems to always be going to Lancaster for shopping, going out to eat, etc. She has to pay a hefty fee just for the kids' transportation to school, not to mention all the time the kids have to spend on the bus. She lives in Ghettoville because it allows her to isolate the kids. They can't do normal after-school activities because it would be too far to drive on a regular basis. They have to sit at home and wait for the cameras to show up. In fact, it's probably a treat for them because they get to leave their house, do fun things, and interact with the crew instead of just each other. No wonder they say they want to film.

When Jon described the way Kate told him she wanted a divorce made me think of the way she banished Collin. I bet it was exactly the same thought process for her. "You don't want to film, you're not following my plan". Therefore Collin--like Jon, Kevin, Jodi, Beth, Bob, grandparents, aunts uncles, cousins, etc, etc--had to go. Filming was more important to her.

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Layla said... 41

I bet it was exactly the same thought process for her. "You don't want to film, you're not following my plan".
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This particular line of hers always makes me laugh. "Every year we take a vote, and when we vote not to do it anymore, filming will stop." I doubt there was ever any sincerity in that statement. For that matter, I doubt any vote was ever taken.

Layla said...

foxy said... 39
I wonder if Kate is seriously looking to set the record straight. She is a disgusting excuse of a human. I hope the remaining 4 can get out of there and at least see what she has done to them.
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Sadly, I doubt that the remaining 4 will leave. They have been so brainwashed by their mother, and alienated (by her) from their father. It won't be until they leave home and ae on their own--and gain some perspective on their lives--that they will realize what has been done to them. Some of them may gravitate toward Jon, but others will bond tightly with Kate. The tups have always been the ones who were the most isolated by her, so they will have the hardest time with separation. Mady ad Cara were allowed to do things outside of the home--sports, school trips, school plays--that they don't appear to have been allowed to do. Kate knows that it's the tups who have made her famous, and she's not about to allow them to be free of her. Sadly, I think they will struggle with life away from her. I really hope some will see the reality of what has been done to them and will seek out Jon, Hannah, and Collin.

As far as Kate is concerned, does she really think she's still got a future "career" on TV? She thought removing Jon would clear the way for decades of nonstop filing. It hasn't exactly turned out the way she planned, has it? Ihope this is the end for her. but somehow I don't think she--or TLC--is willing to let others--even the courts--stop them. It seems like an oppositional defiance kind of thing, doesn't it?

Sad but true said...

Layla said... 43

As far as Kate is concerned, does she really think she's still got a future "career" on TV? She thought removing Jon would clear the way for decades of nonstop filing. It hasn't exactly turned out the way she planned, has it? Ihope this is the end for her. but somehow I don't think she--or TLC--is willing to let others--even the courts--stop them. It seems like an oppositional defiance kind of thing, doesn't it?
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But WHAT could she possibly do on TV now? Kate Plus 4? Would TLC really contemplate another Kate+Date series? Doesn't anyone over there realize that Kate Gosselin is now just a bad taste in everyone's mouth?

I mean, I KNOW she's never gonna give it up, but is she willing to run off to Australia and eat grubs in order to stay on the air? Because that (or Big Brother) are really the only options I see remaining to her.

just wondering said...

I hope the remaining 4 can get out of there and at least see what she has done to them.
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All Jon has to do is park his car at the end of the driveway & INSIST on his visitation. How does anyone KNOW that they don't want to see him? I'd bet my bottom dollar that they DO want/NEED to see him. Yes,they will catch hell when they return home, but Jon has every right to his visitation and there is no court necessary. Call the cops if she won't let them, but damn it Jon... Go get your kids! Show them you haven't forgotten them,or don't love them,or whatever the hell TFW is filling their heads with.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


This particular line of hers always makes me laugh. "Every year we take a vote, and when we vote not to do it anymore, filming will stop." I doubt there was ever any sincerity in that statement. For that matter, I doubt any vote was ever taken.

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And is this a simple majority, a super majority? I mean if two or three kids don't want to shouldn't that be enough? Shouldn't one be enough? Apparently it wasn't.

And what if your vote is based on guilt because you need the filming to support the family, as the judge said the kids said??

She's such a piece of trash. She holds the veto anyway even if all eight said no.

Layla said...

I really wish Jon had addressed the fact that Kate/TLC filmed the kids in violation of a court order, without work permits, and that the court had determined that filming was not in the best interests of the kids. So many people are Team Jon or Team Kate, and stating the facts of what the courts determined is a good way to open peoples' eyes to what is really going on. Even Team Kate would have to accept the fact that the courts determined that filming is not good for the kids, and that Kate is so obsessed with filming that she was willing to break the law to do it. That is seriously twisted no matter what team you're on.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Clack said... 35
Ohh thank you for the clarification. I assumed he knew Colin was shipped away before the letter was smuggled out of prison and miss smug wouldn’t tell him where Colin was.
Christ this makes it even more sad.
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Your assumption is accurate based on Jon's own words back in 2016 about not knowing where his child was. The Administrator's "clarification" is an inaccurate rewriting of history.

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No I think we have the history correct. In looking at my post I said Jon wasn't told. If it clarifies that I meant he wasn't told WHERE Collin was, once he did figure out where because Collin wrote him a letter clarifying his whereabouts, that's when he took action.

Sad but true said...

Looks like some of the die-hard fans have actually started to die, hard. On K8's IG:

sandiebellz
Waving hi to Robert Hoffman. Psst he wasn’t wrong. Shameful

Sad but true said...

Well, my curiosity is piqued.

https://radaronline.com/exclusives/2019/11/homeland-security-josh-duggar-investigated-car-lot-new-report-claims/

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Admin (#46), I always found the most ridiculous part of this assertion was that the alleged voting began when the tups were in DIAPERS.

JR said...

They took a vote my ass... she divorced her husband because he didn’t want to film... she went to that extreme to film so who in gods name would believe such nonsense.. it sounded good at the time

JR said...

Joshes car lot is closed and all cars are gone...what that means idk

Layla said...

Blue Jay (36) said...
Kate saw dollar signs and it was all over then and there no question. Sounds like she never thought this would end truly.
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There was an email (sent by Kate) which was reprinted in Robert's book. In that email a line began, "When I'm old and gray (and probably still filming)..". That sums it up right there. This was in the early days of the show, yet already her intention was to film forever. She has never entertained any other option. Even when the show was cancelled, she used every opportunity to beg for another show. TV appearances for Coupon Cabin were used to whine and beg for another show, while barely mentioning CC. She will spend the rest of her life struggling to get back on TV and she will never consider doing anything else. Ever.

Layla said...

How strange is it that the Dept. of Homeland Security is the agency that raided Josh's place of business. Not the local or state police, not the FBI, but Homeland Security. They are supposed to keep us safe from things like terrorist threats. What have the Duggars gotten themselves into? I wouldn't trust that sleaze Josh any farther than I could throw him (which isn't very far at all). Boy, TLC sure can pick 'em, can't they?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


How strange is it that the Dept. of Homeland Security is the agency that raided Josh's place of business. Not the local or state police, not the FBI, but Homeland Security. They are supposed to keep us safe from things like terrorist threats. What have the Duggars gotten themselves into?

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They focus on terrorism but I was looking at their web site for some insight and it says they do the following: Its stated missions involve anti-terrorism, border security, immigration and customs, cyber security, and disaster prevention and management.

So if there is some malfeasance in their disaster relief fake charity maybe that’s why HS got the job? In any case the feds don’t get involved without really good reason, so it’s a safe bet this is the big time.

just wondering said...

What about child trafficking? That sounds a little more like Josh to me..

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

What about child trafficking? That sounds a little more like Josh to me..

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I would have thought that’s FBI and local law enforcement. I mean it usually is anyway. But i guess trafficking could cross over into immigration issues. Who even knows with it all but it sure is juicy.

url said...

Admin said...
he didn’t try to force the contact. In that time Collin went to prison but he was not told, and only found out years later when Colin got a letter to him. It was then Jon immediately went to the courts to

Ok, all understandable. The part I do NOT understand is why Jon allowed "years" to go by without seeing or hearing from Colin. You said "years later" Jon found out he was institutionalized.
I would think that even a YEAR, which is still a longggg time, would have been long enough for Jon to go without hearing from one of his children. This is the part that that is not understandable at all.
Jon waited way too long. Could have spared Colin those years in an institution.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


I would think that even a YEAR, which is still a longggg time, would have been long enough for Jon to go without hearing from one of his children. This is the part that that is not understandable at all.
Jon waited way too long. Could have spared Colin those years in an institution

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I think we all share your frustration. I'm not sure what happened, but when I recently read the details of the April 2018 order forbidding Kate from filming, and her complete and utter lack of cooperation with the judge in order for him to try to ascertain the facts, it makes a lot more sense.

Did Jon go to court and request more information on Collin, and did a judge try to force Kate to give it? He was at least able to stop filming long before he got Collin back. Was there a good enough judge on this case to be willing to put that bitch in jail if he had to if she wouldn't disclose Collin's whereabouts? Not every judge has the balls, and it seems even this current judge hasn't put Kate in jail yet for contempt of his order not to film, so I don't know if it will be this judge, good as his order was, it wasn't followed.

Once a narcissist figures out their judge isn't actually willing to go the distance, the judge's orders are meaningless.

I guess what I'm saying is are you sure Jon didn't do anything, or was the problem Kate?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


The "years" came directly from Jon's mouth. So yeah, this is on him. Frustrating indeed.

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All I’m saying is that before just a few weeks ago lots of people complained Jon didn’t try to stop filming. Well come to find out he did stop it, it was just kate who refused to follow the order. He’s been in the courts for years with this woman and apparently kate doesn’t even show up to her court dates let alone follow court orders. We said this years ago, court orders mean nothing to a parental alienator.

Layla said...

Admin said (56)…
They focus on terrorism but I was looking at their web site for some insight and it says they do the following: Its stated missions involve anti-terrorism, border security, immigration and customs, cyber security, and disaster prevention and management.
^^^^^^^^^^^^
Still makes you wonder how bad things really are if they're raiding a used-car lot in Podunk, Arkansas. The Duggars are into something pretty extreme, and while they pretend that nothing's going on, Homeland Security doesn't just pop in to say hello. This is far bigger than the used-car lot. Maybe it's tied to the fake charity, maybe they have something going on that nobody knows about, but I get the feeling there's a juicy story there and it's not going to end well for the Most Holy Duggars.

Sad but true said...

New comment on Kate's IG:

XXXXX
I worked at one of the facilities you sent Colin to. He did NOT belong there. You are an actual piece of TRASH Kate!!! I don't work there anymore so I don't have to be silent. Evilness knows no limits in your soul.

Yes, I do hope this trend of people who KNOW speaking out will continue. This whole thing reeks of Kate actually HATING this child. Unbelievable.

Clack said...

Oh boy! I hope more employees and other parents who’s kids are/were there call her out on her bull! Kate’s lies are finally unraveling.
I wonder what she told the other prisoners about sending Colin away? Or what they REALLY think about that situation? Maybe someday they’ll talk but I have a feeling as long as their “in” with mother they won’t betray her. That’s how narcissists work, they keep loyal children in their lives. Whether or not she’s a pile of dog poo, kids still have a need to be loved by their mom. Hopefully some day they’ll realize it’s not love, it’s freaking exhausting!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Holy shit. Prince Andrew is losing his royal stipend salary, and has been fired from any royal duties!!

Okay, what does the palace know? Because they've been standing by their man forever.

Shit. Clinton was in photos with Epstein smoking cigars with topless women all around. All buddy buddy with this pedophile.

Some serious shit going down.

just wondering said...

Shit. Clinton was in photos with Epstein smoking cigars with topless women all around. All buddy buddy with this pedophile.
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I seriously think Epstein was killed. He had that house wired in every bedroom & bathroom. Les Wexler was the previous owner of that Manhattan home & gifted it to Epstein after he found out Epstein had videos of Les & underage girls. There were a lot of very wealthy & powerful men involved in those parties. This was no suicide. And what happened to all of the video equipment? Did they also clean out the house? There is a lot more to this story.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Do you have a link to these photos or are you spreading unfounded rumors? You do realize that Trump has ties to Epstein as well, right?

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No i don’t have a link I just imagined this all on the dark web. Here is your link, read it and weep. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7703257/amp/New-photos-Jeffrey-Epsteins-New-Mexico-ranch-pedophiles-eight-person-party-shower.html

As for Trump ties, keep dreaming. Being at a mutual public social event because you live in the same state is no more a tie than claiming I have ties to Sean Penn because I once saw him walking out of cvs as I was walking in. You know damn well if Trump has any ties your lot would take him down before you could say MAGA.

Clinton lied about his contacts and now we find out he spent significant time cheating on his wife again at his sex house where all the underage girls were. He and Prince Andrew are so beyond screwed. Like this couldn’t be worse.

Wowser said...

The end of this video really confirms what Jon said about Kate being adamant that Jon would comply with filming or he’d be out the door. This video was right before the hiatus where she said she wanted a divorce. This woman is seriously vile with absolutely no self-awareness of how nasty she Is. Narcissism to a tee

https://youtu.be/e68-wp-gxVk

Terri said...

Jon and Colleen are in St.Croix for their vacation. Collin and Colleen have posted pics. I hope they're all having time of their lives.

Wowser said...

It was season 4 (6 of 6) worst moments

Anonymous said...

From Dmasy --

Wowser (68), I watched. She is a shrew.

Jon goes silent for awhile. I guess he learned his lesson about interrupting. (She would scare me into a wordless state!)

She, however, interrupts whenever she gets the urge to spew a sentence.

The conflict is evident. Sad.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

It's been 5 days since Jon's appearance on Dr. Oz. Wasn't TFW anxious to finally set the record straight? Why the delay? Is she sifting through the dozens of TV interview offers to find the one that'll keep her away from the Four Little Faces at home the longest?
Or is it that she is finally firmly rooted in the public psyche as a fortysomething has-been D-lister with no discernable talent who threw her young son into a mental health facility and didn't want him back?

If she was remotely teachable, she might get this: when your brand is motherhood, and you are horrible at it, you might look for another brand. Or better yet, stop being a horrible mother.

foxy said...

I wonder if the 4 hostages know that C & H are on vacation in st. Croix. What a shame they can't see their siblings or their father.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


I wonder if the 4 hostages know that C & H are on vacation in st. Croix. What a shame they can't see their siblings or their father.

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I wonder if they're confused how one might take such a nice trip without filming it.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


I seriously think Epstein was killed. He had that house wired in every bedroom & bathroom. Les Wexler was the previous owner of that Manhattan home & gifted it to Epstein after he found out Epstein had videos of Les & underage girls. There were a lot of very wealthy & powerful men involved in those parties. This was no suicide. And what happened to all of the video equipment? Did they also clean out the house? There is a lot more to this story.

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I think he was killed or guards were paid off to not watch him knowing he had already had one suicide attempt.

And his doctor who observed the autopsy is going on record saying the fact that he broke his hyoid bone strongly suggests homicide.

Dr. Michael Baden said that Mr. Epstein, 66, experienced a number of injuries — among them a broken bone in his neck — that “are extremely unusual in suicidal hangings and could occur much more commonly in homicidal strangulation.”

“I think that the evidence points to homicide rather than suicide,” said Dr. Baden, who observed the autopsy done by city officials.

I’ve not seen in 50 years where that occurred in a suicidal hanging case.”

I find it really scary to think how far someone might go to protect themselves if they have the money and power to do so. If I were a betting man I'd actually say this is something the royal family would dream up and have the nerve to do. I don't think the Clintons have the nerve.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

foxy (#73), imagine how different traveling is for C and H with just their dad, instead of their mom and a TLC crew dictating every step they take? If they want to go to the beach, they can go to the beach. If H has a headache, they can stay in the hotel room and order room service and watch a movie. If H and C want to do different things, Jon could take one and Colleen the other.

Vacations are supposed to rejuvenate you, and provide some relaxation from your daily grind. But for those 8 little cast members, it was WORK. Work their mother forced them to do, and for which SHE was able to maintain a lavish lifestyle at their expense. And you can bet every one of those kids -- be it tomorrow or 20 years from now on a psychiatrist's couch -- will come to that realization.

Wowser said...

FlimsyFlamsy 72- TFW may not be doing any set the record straight interviews because she’s always been able to control the narrative. The hard questions-the ones everyone wants answered-are never allowed to be asked. I think she’s beyond having that control anymore so no one will interview her unless they can ask the questions they want and narcissist TFW would never allow that to happen. Jon should do the WHOLE circuit and put her under the bus wheels that she’s been throwing him under for years. Karma

Real Time Mom said...

Excellent post from Flimsy Flamsy (76) when they visited NYC you saw 8 children exhausted in extreme heat sleeping in the top of a double decker bus. The extreme heat made the ice cream melt as soon as you got it. TLC played up that bit by using the drama by making kate run down the street in a barely there top, short shorts and hooker heels, shrieking. In NYC they were over heated, exhausted and needed water. That's some vacation.

MamaC said...

Wonder how Kate is feeling about Mr. "Mediocre" being able to take his kids to St. Croix without a film crew?

Real Time Mom said...

If the BRF didn't fire Prince Andrew when he invited Epstein to his daughters birthday parties I'm glad they finally are now.
The thought that Epstein didn't commit suicide is very interesting! You are right, Admin. They have stood behind him forever. I wonder what they have ?

just wondering said...

I find it really scary to think how far someone might go to protect themselves if they have the money and power to do so. If I were a betting man I'd actually say this is something the royal family would dream up and have the nerve to do. I don't think the Clintons have the nerve.
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I'd love to read the book or see the movie, but I just don't see anyone bothering to solve it. I also agree that this came from very high up. And yes, the hyoid bone normally requires thumbs to break. Might be interesting to see how his money & homes are dispersed. Very important men involved who can & will probably purchase any book rights to catch & kill. Think I'll keep my eye on this for awhile. The Queen thinks it's time for Andrew to settle back in with Fergie for a spell. A new woman would just seem obvious.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


I'd love to read the book or see the movie, but I just don't see anyone bothering to solve it. I also agree that this came from very high up. And yes, the hyoid bone normally requires thumbs to break. Might be interesting to see how his money & homes are dispersed. Very important men involved who can & will probably purchase any book rights to catch & kill. Think I'll keep my eye on this for awhile. The Queen thinks it's time for Andrew to settle back in with Fergie for a spell. A new woman would just seem obvious.

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The move to "fire" Andrew from the royal family was frankly a red flag for me. While it was the right thing to do, I'm not sure I believe anyone did this because it was the "right thing to do." Is it a deflection move, to make it seem like a family who would fire one of its own members couldn't possibly go so far as to try to mess with a man's life.

Soooo much was going to come out at that trial if he had lived. I tend to think that if someone did orchestrate his death, they might have even done it without telling the person they were trying to protect. Someone who assists people high up without bothering to trouble them with what they are doing to assist them.

just wondering said...

they might have even done it without telling the person they were trying to protect.
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Deniability at its finest. This is just far too convenient. Probably tapped unto the security cameras,too. I abhor conspiracy theories, but this story just reeks of misinformation & convenient excuses.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Collin posted a bunch of photos from St. Croix. The beaches and hotel are just luxurious. I have no idea how a family affords such a thing without filming paying for it. Maybe they saved up?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Deniability at its finest. This is just far too convenient. Probably tapped unto the security cameras,too. I abhor conspiracy theories, but this story just reeks of misinformation & convenient excuses.


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Absolutely. It shouldn't even be called a conspiracy theory, there is solid evidence that the broken neck in his bone indicates homicide, doctors tell us so. Not off the record, not in whispers. On the record. It's the evidence.

JoyinVirginia said...

Just read this weeks People and there was a page on Prince Andrew's BBC interview, which was described as disastrous. Here is one quote from article:
"As for his friendship with Epstein, he [Prince Andrew] said "Do I regret the fact that he has quite obviously conducted himself in a manner unbecoming? Yes." [The interviewer] Maitlis responded, "Unbecoming? He was a sex offender."" Also, " Many viewers asked why Andrew did not offer sympathy to Epsteins victims."
5 pages on William and Harry and Kate and Meghan. one page on Andrew.
Nothing in print version on The Former Mrs Jon Gosselin, or Jon and kids. Good.

JR said...

St Croix is not actually that expensive... probably the cheapest island to go to... don’t forget Jon probably got paid for those interviews ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚....she must be spitting nails

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Here is one quote from article:
"As for his friendship with Epstein, he [Prince Andrew] said "Do I regret the fact that he has quite obviously conducted himself in a manner unbecoming? Yes." [The interviewer] Maitlis responded, "Unbecoming? He was a sex offender.""

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Yeah he went down seriously for that unbecoming comment. You would think Epstein just cursed like a sailor, or got a little drunk once at a charity event. That's "unbecoming"! The out of touch isolated aspect of the royal family has always fascinated me. They are like a science experiment.

JR said...

Allegedly some arrests are coming down concerning the Duggar’s but we’ll see...involving Jim bob, josh, and one of the Grown twin boys...And something about the women covering this up

JR said...

I’m so happy for Jon and the family... those kids deserve that and more after the hell that witch put them through...the scenery is a magnificent thing to see

Giff said...

The place they are vacationing is beautiful! It looks like by "family" he meant a large group of extended family members. How sad the other children are isolated from basically BOTH sides of their family. Kate is evil and arrogant to convince them she is all the family they will ever need. We see Collin and Hannah with Jon’s family and I would believe they also see Jodi and Kevin. We even see them with Colleen's family. How horrible is it that the only person those kids think they can turn to is their evil mother?

BlueJay said...

Must steam Kate to realize that actually people do and can afford to go on vacations without needing to be reality television stars to do so. You don't need to sell you kids out to do things like that.

Meanwhile from Kate, crickets. Or is she too busy cooking her usual organic Thanksgiving meal since this will be her first time cooking in over a year?

Sad but true said...

JR said... 87
St Croix is not actually that expensive... probably the cheapest island to go to... don’t forget Jon probably got paid for those interviews ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚....she must be spitting nails
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It's also the time of year. November is still technically hurricane season; peak dates/pricing don't start until after Xmas.

MP said...

Collin posted a bunch of photos from St. Croix. The beaches and hotel are just luxurious. I have no idea how a family affords such a thing without filming paying for it. Maybe they saved up?
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Probably...and also...Colleen is a nurse practitioner, right? I'm not exactly sure what salaries are like in PA but where I live (midwest) freshly graduated NPs START at $95-105k. I would think that Jon makes a decent salary in IT too (plus whatever he got paid for the interviews)...I don't think that their vacation seems like THAT much of a stretch for a household making probably $130-$150k/year...

just wondering said...

This vacation is both therapy and desperately needed relaxation for H & C. I really hope they drink up the sun & family time. These two kids deserved a real family vacation. I'm so happy for them.

Sad but true said...

MP said... 94

Probably...and also...Colleen is a nurse practitioner, right?
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Yes, I think she graduated a couple of years ago (I think prior to that she'd been a regular RN for a lot of years). And she's a psychiatric NP, so I don't doubt that Collin is surrounded by a lot of knowledge and access to the best practitioners. It's certainly ended up a win-win for him.

ncgirl said...

https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-moms/pictures/jon-gosselin-vacations-in-st-croix-with-kids-hannah-collin/alone-time-6/

The family trip made the news. I'm sure Kate wishes she was there in her bikini showing off her fake boobs to Skeeve.

Wowser said...

Here’s the 2nd part of the Dr Oz interview where Jon talks about Collin. So damn sad what that selfish bitch did to her own son. Just proof that she hates Jon more than she loves her kids. They are just a paycheck for her. Makes me irate!

https://youtu.be/u7eef4HIfyk

FlimsyFlamsy said...

I'm guessing Mady and Cara will come home for Thanksgiving. So maybe we'll get a happy-happy Insta post from TFW with a pic of the 6 kids? She never seems to mind that the missing 2 are conspicuous in their absence.

She's got work to do if she wants to grab the narrative back from Jon. He followed his TV appearance by posting pictures of his kids and himself on a lovely beach vacation, with everyone looking happy and healthy. Whereas the recent stories about J&K just use old pictures of a scowling TFW caked with makeup and looking every minute of her age.
Mr. Mediocre for the win.

Susan1956 said...

The only thing remotely interesting about TFW is her IG. She hasn't made any new posts, but she has 'gained' 2,000 followers in the past three days. Almost all of the comments are negative with just a few supportive ones thrown in from the last of the sheeple. Not sure if it's true, but TFW is being accused of posting comments on her last IG post with sock accounts. Hint--she uses pictures of dog(s) as her avatar. It's kind of sad really--doesn't look like any of the talk shows are begging her to grace their stages so she can "set the record straight" and refute Jon's statements.

XXXX--shes here again? I thought she was busy trying to find baby sitters for her 16 year olds๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚...she was so obvious yesterday ... if you read her posts she slipped up a couple of times.

Funny

XXXX--change the name to Kate+8MINUSthe2thatescaped

Sad but true said...

Unless people have decided to hate-follow K8 on IG (which is a distinct possibility, I guess), her follower numbers have been rising by 150-200 per day since Jon's interview. Mady's are also, strangely, going up quite quickly, something like 500-600 in the same period? No new post from her in 6 weeks.

Maybe Mommy's buying the both of them an early Xmas present.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


they might have even done it without telling the person they were trying to protect. Someone who assists people high up without bothering to trouble them with what they are doing to assist them.

I think you watch too much tv. Breaking Bad was a fictional tv show. You know that, right? Give your dvr a break and go get some fresh air.

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Yes true and in the real world no one at the top conspires with Ukraine or Russia either right? Just checking for consistency on your part.

If you think all of these things don’t or can’t or have not happened in real life you’re living in a fantasy world.

Anonymous said...

Allegedly some arrests are coming down concerning the Duggar’s but we’ll see...involving Jim bob, josh, and one of the Grown twin boys...And something about the women covering this up
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Where did you read that? I’ve been trying to keep up with this but haven’t found anything new
-Gigi Be

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Not doctors, one doctor who loves to insert himself in cases with major media attention who disagrees with the findings of the Chief Medical Examiner. And there are studies showing that it is not rare for that bone to be broken in suicides. I am skeptical of Baden.

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The studies are all over the map, with someone finding hyoid fractures in suicides as low as 6 percent, others saying if the hyoid is broken one should ALWAYS investigate a "suicide" as possibly homicide. Almost all studies point to it not being exactly common in suicide, but many suggesting it does happen. Which begs the question though, are you sure the suicides in your test study were indeed suicides?

But look at this:

Journal of Acute Medicine: “However, fracture of the hyoid bone is rare because it is protected by the mandible. In fact, most hyoid bone injuries are caused by strangulation.”

JR said...

@103... didn’t read it... heard it.. they’re at the end of their investigation so let’s see what happens..

JR said...

Since Jon has legal custody of the two did their trust funds go with them??? Legally doesn’t she have to hand that over? They worked all those years .. she certainly shouldn’t have a right to their money

JR said...

I was on her instagram... the moment she was called out she disappeared... she actually said the word “I” a couple of times... her ramblings were all about Jon.. nothing else... never mentioned Collin... she said things in detail about Jon... I’m sorry but she is completely obsessed with him... she still isn’t over the fact he didn’t want to film... it’s consuming her..she said that he tried to take away the only source of income from them... why can’t she move on??? And she was on all day.. doesn’t she have things to do?? There’s no doubt it was her... the only way she defended herself was to blame Jon... typical narcissist behavior...

just wondering said...

Since Jon has legal custody of the two did their trust funds go with them??? Legally doesn’t she have to hand that over? They worked all those years .. she certainly shouldn’t have a right to their money
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To clear up one detail, the kids were ordered to receive a total of 15% of the income from the show, but that 15% was to be divided 8 ways. I don't remember what year that went into effect,but I think it was around 2011.

Plus, (very important!) their income could be used by Kate for their food, school, medical, living expenses, transportation, etc. Personally,I would not be surprised if Kate used Collin's income for his own institutionalization.

Jon & Kate both said at some point that the kids all had plenty of money put aside, but who knows how much remains?

Silimom said...

Jon should do the WHOLE circuit and put her under the bus wheels that she’s been throwing him under for years. Karma
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Yes, Jon could do that. But as they say, living well is the best revenge. Jon’s life is so exponentially better than Kate’s and I think it’s better long term for his relationship with his kids if he moves on. He gave his side once the gag order expired and documented Kate’s abuse and abandonment of Collin. Now he needs to step back and let his kids come to their own realizations about their mom, which they will. He also needs to make sure to let all his kids know that he loves them, apologizes for any hurt he has caused each one and that his door is always open. Eventually some will reach out and reconnect with him. He will grow older surrounded by love, laughter, and family.

Kate will have a huge empty house and maybe Steve Nield.

Sad but true said...

just wondering said... 108

Jon & Kate both said at some point that the kids all had plenty of money put aside, but who knows how much remains?
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Yessss, precisely what the judge and GAL wanted to know, but Kate did not provide any of this info. I wonder if Jon is currently in court (he did say he was in court) to try to compel her to do so. I would hope that he is also trying to get an actual visitation schedule for the other four, but of course he won't act on that if it is against their own wishes. At a minimum, I wish he would try to get a ruling on some joint therapy for himself and them.

Giff said...

I think if Kate had put back money for all the children, she would want everyone to know. She was able to send Cara and Mady to expensive, out of state colleges. The question is, will the other 6 have the same opportunity or is Kate more concerned with her retirement and maintaining her way of life? Will she let the twins burn through more than their fair share of the money until the tups turn 18? Someone needs to DEMAND an accounting to insure they all get what they worked for and sacrifices their childhoods for.

Sandylove said...

So I took a look over at Kate's Instagram page and you all were right, the comments are BEYOND BRUTAL!!! And she deserves every single one of them.

Layla said...

JR said... 107
I was on her instagram... the moment she was called out she disappeared... she actually said the word “I” a couple of times... her ramblings were all about Jon.. nothing else... never mentioned Collin... she said things in detail about Jon... I’m sorry but she is completely obsessed with him... she still isn’t over the fact he didn’t want to film... it’s consuming her..she said that he tried to take away the only source of income from them... why can’t she move on??? And she was on all day.. doesn’t she have things to do?? There’s no doubt it was her... the only way she defended herself was to blame Jon... typical narcissist behavior.
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I checked out her IG too, but it looks like she deleted all the comments she posted under her aliases. The responses remain, and it looks like she's spewing her usual mantras. "You're only hurting the kids", "Walk a mile in her shoes", "Who are you to judge". She still thinks she's above it all, doesn't she? A lot of people gave her the benefit of the doubt for so many years, but those days are over. Everyone knows what she did to Collin. Everyone knows she filmed the kids against a court order. And everyone knows that the court determined that filming is not in the kids' best interests. Nobody wants to hear her tired old excuses. She was so accustomed to banishing people from her life that she didn't think twice about doing the same to Collin. She didn't realize that people will never accept that. It was just business as usual to her. She shot herself in the foot and still doesn't understand what she did wrong. Or even that she did something wrong.

just wondering said...

Jon has visitation rights to the kids, he just never forced it. How does he know they don't want to see him? Because Kate never sent them out? Not good enough, Jon. Text her that you are coming to pick them ALL up. If she doesn't send them out, then call the police!

As far as anyone knows, those kids may be feeling abandoned by Jon - like he's not fighting for them. They need to know that he is! And even if they don't want to go, too bad! Just because Kate has mind f___ed them doesn't mean that Jon shouldn't try.

Sad but true said...

JR said... 107
I was on her instagram... the moment she was called out she disappeared... she actually said the word “I” a couple of times... her ramblings were all about Jon.. nothing else... never mentioned Collin... she said things in detail about Jon... I’m sorry but she is completely obsessed with him... she still isn’t over the fact he didn’t want to film... it’s consuming her..she said that he tried to take away the only source of income from them... why can’t she move on???
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Ah, she forgets that SHE is the one who forced Jon to quit his gov't IT job as the TLC demands increased. Granted, he wasn't making a huge amount of money at it, but SHE simply couldn't bear to be alone (i.e., without a film crew and/or helpers) with 8 kids all day long. I laugh when I see people saying how he quit his job and then HOW were they going to live if the TV show didn't continue? Take it up with KATE, people, SHE was driving that bus, right over him! What finally blew Jon up (after the divorce) is that Kate thought she could go right back to traveling the country with Steve ("one week home, one week away, that's works BEST for our family") and leave unemployed Jon at home with the kids! Remember, he actually attempted to sue her for custody in 2010, when she was on DWTS and then having her "book tour" for IJWYTK. She thought she could have her cake and eat it, too, but his action then FORCED her to make a choice. And, of course, she chose TLC. It meant she was home a lot more, but the cameras were there, so. . . .

She is quite the piece of work.

Layla said...

Giff (111)
You're right, the twins' colleges are very expensive. Will she be able to pay that amount for all of them? And what if Cara ends up going to medical school or some of the others go for advanced degrees or professional schools? Can she provide that? The kids have certainly made enough money to pay for whatever schooling they want, but they only have that if Kate has truly saved and invested for them and puts their education above her own selfish interests. I, for one, have no confidence in her willingness to do that. She has always put herself first. And I doubt Hannah and Collin will see a penny. They will have to take her to court and fight her to get what is rightfully theirs.

The twins have always received special treatment from their mother. They get what they want. I wouldn't be surprised if the sky is the limit when it comes to their colleges, and the tups have to settle for a state school due to cost. I don't know why she singles out M&C for special treatment, but it's obvious she does. The younger kids have to see it.

Anonymous said...

US magazine had a link to Jon’s vacation on FB. It looks like comments were removed but this afternoon there were some doozies. 2 rabid sheeple insisted that C threatened to kill The family which is why he needed to be institutionalized, K8 got him the help he needed so now he is good as gold. Of course they had to bring up that Jon was a skirt chasing man-child who is now doing interviews to pay for his vacation.
Ronnie and Maggie

JR said...

@114... very hard to force custody on 15 year olds... don’t forget she’s been brainwashing them for years so Jon doesn’t have a chance

JR said...

When she was spewing yesterday it seemed like it was her usual rehearsed talking points.. no feelings behind it at all..it’s so pathetic that she’s trying to convince a handful of people on instagram that it’s all Jon’s fault... has she sunk this low?? Narcissists can’t stand being challenged.. anyway it was all very bizarre

Giff said...

Jon needs to take legal action if possible on the adults spreading rumors about Collin. I have heard so many bizarre things they have said about a CHILD, I can't even see straight. They need as much help as Kate. It is sick that people worship that bitch the way they do.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Ronnie and Maggie (#117), and there are still people out there who swear Jon left HER. If it helps their narrative of TFW as the victim, they'll say anything.

Sad but true said...

JR said... 119

What do you think her handles are on IG? The Jeska#### person? Or the kat.poo.#### commenter? Havanesejackson?
These are the 3 I've seen who seem to spend a great deal of time either trying to refute other commenters with "fake" facts OR just insulting them. Please let me know, I am curious and confess I just didn't ever think the mighty K8 would be "lowering" herself to respond to ANY criticism, even on her own social media accounts.

I'm still waiting for her People cover. LOL!

JR said...

If he did get paid for his interviews and used it to give his family a nice vacation.... I think that’s terrific...I can’t think of a better way to use that money

just wondering said...

These 15 year olds know nothing but doing as they are told. You think they have plans for the weekend? Or next weekend? You think they need to be forced to see Jon? No, they are scared to death to come BACK from Jon's. I bet Kate triples the chores & snipes for days on end at anyone who dares to visit Jon.

These kids don't know they have rights & choices. I'm not even sure they know how much Jon cares. How would they? Kate sure isn't telling them, and she's not encouraging any mental or social growth at all. These kids are living in an emotionally stunted environment.

url said...

All the more reason Jon needs to get face to face with them and show how much he loves them. And let them know they've got a safety net if they want to leave their mother.

JR said...

There’s no doubt it was jeska.... those other two are one of the same... I think the account is still there but not sure about the comments... if you can find them you’ll know.. I don’t usually stay on there but I knew it was her ..she’s a piece of work... I was the one who called her out ... also someone else said it at the same time... she’s so obvious.. all ik is she’s still blaming him big time... get over it!!!! All she talked about was filming and she said “ who am I to argue with a doctors orders” or something to that affect..about Collin.... didn’t she say that concerning about gifts people got her kids... “who am I to say no”?

JR said...

She’s no victim... she’s the perpetrator...she threw his ass in the garage because he wasn’t following her grand plan to keep filming... narcissists don’t like It when they can’t control you... You’re cut out!!! She’ll resent him for the rest of her life

Kirkland said...

Paul Petersen (A Minor Consideration) promoted Jon's appearance on Dr. Oz. Here's what he said on his Facebook page about Jon's appearance:
"Here’s the short of it: Missing Money. Working Without Work Permits. Violating Court Orders.
We owe these Gosselin children so much more. Don’t say you weren’t warned."

Yes, he did warn us!

Meanwhile, I was thinking about Kate sitting in that big house of hers and wondering - why doesn't she just take a vacation herself! Take the kids to Disney World without the cameras! What does she "DO" all day? I mean really. I retired a year ago and I have discovered a whole new world. My days are busy with family and friends, I have time for my hobbies, I take vacations! What does that woman DO?? There is seriously something wrong with her.

MamaC said...

I often wonder what it's like for those kids out in the world(or at school) when their peers make the offhand remark. "What's it like living with your crazy mother?" "my mom says your dad is a real loser." "Are you going to be on t.v. again?" Those types of things

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Kirkland (#128), hah, I've thought that exact same question many times. What DOES she do all day? It sounds like you're enjoying a fruitful (and probably hard-earned) retirement. You said a key phrase: family and friends. TFW has kicked all of them to the curb.

Good to know Paul Petersen still has Jon on his radar. He's worked in the entertainment industry for more than half a century, and I suspect he has a finely-tuned BS meter. In other words, he's got TFW's number.

Layla said...

JR (126)
Yes, Jeska was definitely Kate, and there was another one called Mrcooperlee. She deleted every comment from both of them when people called her out, but the responses are still there. It's crazy to me to see people on there who are still complaining about Jon wearing Ed Hardy t-shirts, yet they don't mention Kate dressing like a hooker at the same time. Or calling Jon out for having a one-bedroom apartment in NYC, even though he was there when he didn't have custody time with the kids. When it was his custody time he was in PA with them. Kate, at the same time, was staying in a hotel room during Jon's time with the kids. So he's called out for renting a one-bedroom apartment and she's given a pass for renting a hotel room. He's still being trashed for dating other women (which happened after the separation), yet nobody mentions the fact that she was spending every other week away from home with Steve--and that was before the separation.

I think her IG meltdown shows she's really losing control. She was so focused on filming, and now she seems enraged over not filming. I don't think there are any plans for further filming and it's making her crazy. She's blaming Jon for everything, when in fact she is the one who filmed the kids illegally and it was her choice to banish Collin. Those are the things people are most angry/disappointed about. She destroyed what's left of her career and she's just not capable of taking responsibility for it. "I just don't get it!".

Ingrid said...

Sounds like this person worked or lived or visited the place Collin was at.

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@xxxxxx the kids that belong at the facilities he was sent to were kids who did drugs, killed animals, tried to harm family, gang members. Etc. That's why it was bootcamp structure. Colin was the last kid who belonged there and at such an important age. I had no idea for the first 6 months that he was ripped away from his siblings who were his closest bonds

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Well, well another sheep turning away (altho she has gone back and forth in her comments before)

patrxxxxxxxxxxxx
Jon has.A Big One Upon you Kate, he is and always was a better parent!

Susan1956 said...

JR (126)
Yes, Jeska was definitely Kate, and there was another one called Mrcooperlee.
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Was the avatar for Mrcooperlee a Yorkie?

foxy said...

There is a person who posts on both Kate and Jon's instagrams praising them for being such good parents. She is working both sides and doesn't seem to know she has been caught out for it. She is a young woman with small children, so there you have it. Kate's fans are just wacky and can't make up their minds on who to praise and follow.

JR said...

Yes it was a yorkie

JR said...

Yes I know it was her... just pathetic...she didn’t seem to pay attention to anything anyone else was saying... it was her dictating what her thoughts were.. that’s why it was easy to realize it was her... it was like she was ignoring everyone and just trying to get her point across... what else is new!

Sad but true said...

just wondering said... 124
These 15 year olds know nothing but doing as they are told. You think they have plans for the weekend? Or next weekend? You think they need to be forced to see Jon? No, they are scared to death to come BACK from Jon's. I bet Kate triples the chores & snipes for days on end at anyone who dares to visit Jon.
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Yup, I think their issue isn't Jon, it's how they get treated by Mommy when they get home. For them, it probably just boils down to, this isn't worth the bullshit.

Anonymous said...

Colleen posted on Instagram an adorable photo of Hannah and Collin holding puppies. She said they want to take them home.

capecodmama

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Bottom line is that there is no conclusive evidence of murder vs. suicide.

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And if it's that unclear, then they shouldn't have ruled it a suicide. The investigation should continue until they've thoroughly explored every possible lead. Deaths of low lives on skid row are investigated more thoroughly than this.

Sad but true said...

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 139

Bottom line is that there is no conclusive evidence of murder vs. suicide.

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And if it's that unclear, then they shouldn't have ruled it a suicide. The investigation should continue until they've thoroughly explored every possible lead. Deaths of low lives on skid row are investigated more thoroughly than this.
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I must admit, I don't get it. HOW is it possible that such a high-profile prisoner as this, someone who would be very quick to sue over any actual/perceived infraction, is left alone, without camera coverage, for HOW long? And then is dead? Even without all the labored "explanations" from the corrections dept., doesn't anyone else smell a STENCH here?

This guy allegedly tried suicide in jail once before, 3 weeks prior. And it is clear the case(s) against him are hotting up. OTOH, if all we have are photos of people like Prince Andrew with Virginia Roberts (which, BTW, proves NOTHING vis-a-vis Epstein), then what was SO bad that was coming out that would have him trying suicide for a second time?

I just don't buy it.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


I must admit, I don't get it. HOW is it possible that such a high-profile prisoner as this, someone who would be very quick to sue over any actual/perceived infraction, is left alone, without camera coverage, for HOW long? And then is dead? Even without all the labored "explanations" from the corrections dept., doesn't anyone else smell a STENCH here?

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Everyone has done a really good job of trying to make this story go away. Andrew was sacked the moment he dredged it all up again.

Some of the best commentary I heard about it was on my local KFI station. They said you know one of these things going wrong is a coincidence. Maybe even two or three. But the dozen things that went wrong that led up to his suicide is really just plain ridiculous to believe is completely coincidental.

And, as terrible a man as he is, if he was murdered, he deserves the truth and justice.

JoyinVirginia said...

December 9 edition of People showed up in the mailbox yesterday. "Prince Andrew's Stunning Exit" on pages 17-18. Robert Lacey, a royal biographer, is quoted "His entire public existence has been wiped out by his own behavior". he gets to keep his house, his title Duke of York, and he will continue to get an annual allowance from the queen 321,000. but no more public funds to cover any costs, no more public duties or public rule of any kind.

Anonymous said...

Mady posted in her stories a very short video with “ Home!!“ in the caption. She appears to be in a restaurant. There is a person seated with her but it doesn’t appear to be either Kate or the 4 siblings. The face isn’t shown but judging by the sweater, it doesn’t appear to be something Kate would wear. Maybe she’d rather be out with friends than family
-Gigi Be
-Gigi Be

Susan1956 said...

Gigi Be... 143
Mady posted in her stories a very short video with “ Home!!“ in the caption.
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Interesting. I saw the video on one of the IG fan sites but it did not have the Home caption. Within that same time frame, a new? kat.poo.xxxx (cat avatar) and a_lorenzoxx (white rose avatar) showed up on her IG. The a_lorenzo post reminds me of her positive, uplifting comments on Twitter.

kat.poo.xxxx
Looks more like Halloween๐Ÿ‘ป than Thanksgiving๐Ÿฆƒ on here. All Jon's zombies are out in full force. Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family.

a_lorenzoxx
Everyone needs to stop being so mean. How are her kids going to feel reading these negative comments day after day? I'd feel horrible reading a single negative thing about my mom. Reading negative comments constantly must be so emotionally draining. If you don't have anything nice to say on Kate's IG (or anyone's) don't leave a comment. Spend that time leaving an inspirational comment for a loved one. Be kind. Life is too short. Let's lift each other up rather than tear each other down. ☮

just wondering said...

I would think that none of Epstein's famous associates want his case looked into. They have nothing to gain & everything to lose. It was a quick close & nobody wants to touch it, except maybe the media. Millions of dollars were probably spent to dispense of him, and many millions more to make sure it stays closed. Les Wexner, Clinton, Trump, Prince Andrew, and those are only the first 4 who are happy he is dead. They would be more than happy to pay millions more to keep him dead.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


I would think that none of Epstein's famous associates want his case looked into. They have nothing to gain & everything to lose. It was a quick close & nobody wants to touch it, except maybe the media. Millions of dollars were probably spent to dispense of him, and many millions more to make sure it stays closed. Les Wexner, Clinton, Trump, Prince Andrew, and those are only the first 4 who are happy he is dead. They would be more than happy to pay millions more to keep him dead.

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You're right, the people who would be much better off if he were dead have all the means, money, motive, and opportunity to do so. To expect that an entire group of flawed humans would not seize the opportunity is to be more optimistic about humans than I am.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


The investigation should continue until they've thoroughly explored every possible lead. Deaths of low lives on skid row are investigated more thoroughly than this.
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If by "lead" you mean every conspiracy theory out there, thanks but no thanks. That's not how I want my tax dollars used.

Your comment about "low lives" on Skid Row is disgusting, but hardly surprising. You do realize that there is a correlation between foster care and homelessness, right? Many of those kids you claim to care about become those you disparage as "low lives" when they reach adulthood.

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That's rich about tax dollars since all the feds seem to want to do with our tax dollars this fall is try to come up with some conspiracy about Ukraine. Epstein is not a conspiracy. The jail guards are currently going to trial about their role in his death, Tova Noel and Michael Thomas. In addition to not properly guarding him, they are accused of falsifying records in connection with the death. Now why on earth would anyone need to do that??? Get your head out of the sand.

RELAX, my comment about "low lives" was said from the perspective of "society", tongue in cheek. Those who dispense law and order spend more time on those society has thrown away than Epstein. I don't need a lecture about skid row from a privileged white woman, thanks. Have you worked down there in the flesh, as I have? (I worked at Union Rescue Mission, in the HEART of skid row) Yeah, didn't think so.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

December 9 edition of People showed up in the mailbox yesterday. "Prince Andrew's Stunning Exit" on pages 17-18. Robert Lacey, a royal biographer, is quoted "His entire public existence has been wiped out by his own behavior". he gets to keep his house, his title Duke of York, and he will continue to get an annual allowance from the queen 321,000. but no more public funds to cover any costs, no more public duties or public rule of any kind.

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I can't believe the firm finally got rid of him, more or less. I also can't believe the press is finally leaving Harry and Meghan alone, at least for the moment, as they concentrate on royals who are actually doing something wrong.

JR said...

Duggar update....tons of unmarked cars and police cars all over the property yesterday...word is there will be an arrest of one of the Duggar men next week. Also I’m hearing prostitution and escorts are involved.. but the arrest will involve child pornography... allegedly! Let’s see if this pans out..

ncgirl said...

The ratings for the Duggars have been less than a million the past couple of weeks. I don't remember that happening before. Is it the investigation? Or the boredom of marriage/babies.

Layla said...

JR said... 149
Duggar update....tons of unmarked cars and police cars all over the property yesterday...word is there will be an arrest of one of the Duggar men next week. Also I’m hearing prostitution and escorts are involved.. but the arrest will involve child pornography... allegedly! Let’s see if this pans out..
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This is getting more interesting by the minute. I just read that Anna Duggar gave birth to yet another baby girl. I can't wait to hear what happens.


ncgirl said... 150
The ratings for the Duggars have been less than a million the past couple of weeks. I don't remember that happening before. Is it the investigation? Or the boredom of marriage/babies.
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Probably a bit of both. Too many scandals involving this family means fewer people are buying their holier-than-thou persona, plus--people just get bored watching the same thing over and over again. Courtship, wedding, babies, lather, rinse, repeat. Same with the Gosselin shows--people are bored with Kate's tizzies and don't want to watch--and she's got nothing else to offer. The Duggars are the same in that they don't evolve at all. If they can't evolve into more interesting people, they're sunk. Let's see if TLC gets the message this time.

Ingrid said...

JR said... 149
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I hope it is not child related I just hate to think that more kids are being abused in that family.
I always wondered if Jim Boob was guilty of it too and teaching Josh or the other boys. He could have them so under his control that they keep the secret. I would love to see JB go down for something this.

I see so many stories where the dad convinces a child that it is something to never tell about and the kid never does tell because it is ingrained in them that it is special normal love. Look how brainwashed some of the cults have gotten their followers.

ncgirl said...

Also in Duggar news. Josh and Anna had their sixth child, a girl.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Btw, are you now anti-Barr, because he said he believed it was a suicide.

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I didn't delete your comment.

It figures someone like you would expect complete and total agreement or you are "anti." That's very typical. I disagree with Barr's assessment and believe there is more to investigate. That's allowed, and I'm certainly not alone in this sentiment. Unlike you, I believe differences in opinion and views among those I admire, as well as family, and friends to make the world more colorful, not less so. There is such a thing as respecting one's opinion, and respecting them as a person, while still disagreeing. Try it sometime.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Probably a bit of both. Too many scandals involving this family means fewer people are buying their holier-than-thou persona, plus--people just get bored watching the same thing over and over again. Courtship, wedding, babies, lather, rinse, repeat.

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Yeah it's probably boredom. I haven't tuned in in years, but I've seen various trailers for it while recapping Kate and I swear every trailer looks exactly the same.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Gee, I don't know, maybe to cover their asses because they weren't doing their jobs? Get your head out of the conspiracy clouds. People lie all the time, and I'd venture to guess that 99.9% of those times it's not because they're involved in a conspiracy to commit murder.

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I'd also venture to say that 99.9 percent of people responsible for a murder if only partially would try to cover it up.

Also, the guards were charged with conspiracy, so it's not so crazy to call this a conspiracy.

What's more, Epstein was required by regulation to have a roommate, but did not have one, and both cameras in his cell were not working. Again, you can explain away 2-3 things that went wrong, but 12?

just wondering said...

Here's the thing. If anyone really wanted Epstein alive & well, he would have been. But NOBODY wanted him to talk. Nobody with any kind of power & money, anyway. The women he abused were about the only people who wanted him to talk & they held none of the power. Everything that could have gone wrong, did go wrong. They probably even put two dudes they wanted to fire anyway to watch him. Might have even had their food spiked. Who knows? Might have spiked Epstein's. It's conceivable. That kind of money & power can buy most anything. And nobody cares who did it, which makes it even easier. I bet there was a huge collective sigh of relief when word of his death broke.
I would have loved to have seen his trial, but I also knew he'd never get there. Was anyone even surprised?

JR said...

Also Jim bob scoping for lawyers down in Texas... something about him putting up a million dollars for each Duggar arrested... whatever the hell that means!

JR said...

There’s a white building in the Duggar’s property and the authorities were taking tons of boxes out of that facility..,

Wowser said...

Looks like TFW isn’t posting the poor put-upon mom with all the kids doing all of Thanksgiving by herself with no help. The twins outing her that she hasn’t cooked in a year and Jon telling it like it is has certainly popped her brand balloon. Poor schmoopy. On that note, i hope everyone has a blessed Thanksgiving surrounded by lots of family, love and good food.

Sad but true said...

JR said... 158

I'm so intrigued by this. May I ask where you are getting this info? I've been looking at various sites, but no one seems to have the sort of detail you do.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Wowser (#160), TFW must be plenty scared about now. After many failed attempts at rebranding herself (running mom, cookbook mom, author mom, couponing mom, etc.), she is left with only reality TV mom. She has put all her eggs in TLC's basket, and, as the saying goes, without them she is nothing.
Every Duggar wedding and birth means less TLC airtime and budget left for her. And if she was charm free when she had the world on a string, I can't imagine how miserable she must be now. The defections of one or more of the 4 remaining cast members might happen sooner rather than later.

Happy Thanksgiving to all, however you spend it!

Anonymous said...

Happy Thanksgiving! Enjoy your day with family and friends in whatever way you celebrate.

capecodmama

JR said...

161...๐Ÿ˜‰... rather not especially when it just all alleged at this point

JR said...

Btw they didn’t raid the home... last week... it was joshes car lot that was raided... since then it’s been shut and everything has been stripped away... even signs... there’s tons going on at the house but don’t think it’s an actual raid although there’s a lot of questioning by homeland security..

JR said...

I didn’t see it but there was a posting of Jim Bob and Michelle kissing... can you imagine ๐Ÿคฎ๐Ÿคฎ๐Ÿคฎ... another words “ nothing to see here “... they are sickening

JR said...

Also before I forget... the woman are being looked at for being complicit

JR said...

Jessa and Ben were seen there yesterday and Jill came by herself.. also one the grown duggar boys... if that means anything ๐Ÿคท‍♀️

Sad but true said...

JR said... 164

No problem, LOL. Will be interested to see how this all shakes out.

JR said...

They probably don’t way to see jills husband at this point since everyone is speculating he blew the whistle... but HLS is still saying it’s an ongoing investigation...

Anonymous said...

FlimsyFlamsy said... 162
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I think she screwed up her relationship with TLC when she let the kids work without permits. She broke her contract and potentially put TLC in hot water. TLC lost revenue because they had to pull that episode. It would not surprise me if TLC took her to court.

I think TFW is also upset that Jon and his family are having the vacation of a lifetime right now. She is stuck in her McMansion while Jon is on a beach. Hopefully the other 4 start to question why they need to film in order to go on nice vacations.

Happy Thanksgiving everyone.
Andrea

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


They probably don’t way to see jills husband at this point since everyone is speculating he blew the whistle... but HLS is still saying it’s an ongoing investigation...


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Is that the one who won't shower? Wow he finally did something right.

JR said...

Just because he’s dirty doesn’t mean he’s not smart ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚

Lorrie said...

Happy Thanksgiving, everyone!

This showed up on my Suggested YouTube videos today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_5Dk3EZeZ8

Take a look at the recent comments -- they are great. So many more are enlightened now to the truth, to the real situation the Gosselin kids have been enduring for years. Not only have Jon and the children been vindicated, but so have Kevin and Jodi, who were positively vilified by all the Kate Kool Aid drinkers.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Andrea (#171), oh yeah, you better believe TFW is burning up about Jon's beach vacay -- splashed (no pun intended) all over social media and picked up by the press. While Ms. Saltwater Pool is stuck at home in PA without any place to flaunt her bikini bod. Heck, she might plan a spite trip with the 4 cast members at home just to one-up Jon. Paid for from the kids' accounts, as it will be important to their health and well being, and will make her a better Mommy, right?

Giff said...

It would serve the Duggars right if Jill's husband was the one who blew the whistle on some shady stuff they were doing. My guess is it involves money laundering or something. I know Derrick has a degree in accounting which is probably why he was "chosen " by JimBob to marry Jill and help hide the money.This family is had hid behind religion to break the law and protect Josh for too long. I hope this is finally the end of them. I'm not sure what it takes for TLC to start dumping these child abusing, law breaking families they love to give shows to. The Duggars and Kate Gosselin are no better than the Honey Boo Boo family that was canceled. I don't understand why they don't dump them all.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Nice to see you finally admit Trump had a motive also.

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Yes, I'm sure it's very important to Trump to ensure that it doesn't come out that one time in 1992 he attended a public social event with Epstein and Epstein asked for a pic with him. Also I heard in 1993 Epstein squeezed and pulled and hurt his neck!

Your lot's motive is clear. You don't want this investigated because it could implicate your hero Clinton. Period.

JR said...

Sorry but I cannot stand cooking all of this and hate the clean up... I think I’ll have to get drunk!

IRISH 33 said...

Not because I can't stand Kate but look at those vacation pictures and how happy and healthy everybody looks....The witch is just a horrible person,she just locks them in the compound unless they film an occasionally throws in a FREE TLC road trip...So happy for Collin an Hannah

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Not because I can't stand Kate but look at those vacation pictures and how happy and healthy everybody looks....The witch is just a horrible person,she just locks them in the compound unless they film an occasionally throws in a FREE TLC road trip...So happy for Collin an Hannah

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I've noticed a huge change in the pics since Hannah and Collin went to Jon and as to that very thing. The three of them look so positively healthy. Jon used to always have a little forehead acne, that's all gone. Their skin is glowing, good healthy weight, shining eyes. It could also be Colleen's nursing background and knowledge of nutrition. But unconditional love does a lot for the skin too.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Sorry but I cannot stand cooking all of this and hate the clean up... I think I’ll have to get drunk!

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Clean as you go!

JR said...

I do but it never seems to end... it’s an all day cleaning event... ugh.. I have a big family... I’m sure everyone is secretly thinking the same thing ... LOL

JR said...

I have lemonade vodka to get my through ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


I often wonder what it's like for those kids out in the world(or at school) when their peers make the offhand remark. "What's it like living with your crazy mother?" "my mom says your dad is a real loser." "Are you going to be on t.v. again?" Those types of things

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I bet kids pester them about being on TV for sure but I would hope kids aren't making such nasty comments about their mom or dad, especially given the kids are older now. It's not 8th grade anymore. But, I still find Mady's comment about wanting to be a small fish in a big pond extremely telling. Even a gregarious kid like her wanted to just blend in at college, which tells me she has NOT been blending in for many years and doesn't like it. We'll never even know the half of what their growing up years were like.

Layla said...

I love how relaxed Collin and Hannah look in their recent pictures. They're just normal family pictures instead of the "pose and smile!" ones their mother orchestrates. I'm happy they get to experience normal family life instead of the fake faรงade family they had to be for TLC's cameras.

Isn't it interesting that Kate popped up on IG to defend herself when people started tagging TLC in their comments? She can't be bothered to jump on and defend her own son when her fans are attacking him, but boy, bring TLC into it and she's all over it. I guess that shows where her priorities lie.

Happy Thanksgiving, everyone! We're going out for dinner--no cooking, no mess to clean up. This is our first Thanksgiving with Sully, and we're going to relax and enjoy every minute of it. He is just heavenly! We are so blessed.

Anonymous said...

Josh and Anna have been living on the Duggar compound since they sold their house earlier this year. Jim Bob could be telling the truth that his house was not raided. That would not mean that the house Josh and Anna lived in was not raided.

It looks like the cars that were on Joshes lot have been moved to one of the other Duggar owned car lots. The limos that were listed on his website are now listed in Champion Motorcars. That lot is owned by Jedediah.

Andrea
Andrea

Anonymous said...

The twins outing her that she hasn’t cooked in a year and Jon telling it like it is has certainly popped her brand balloon.
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Yet there will be always a few of her simpleton fans complementing her for being an over worked mom who slaves over a hot stove 3x a day, even while hearing from the kids mouth that she no longer cooks. Eye roll. The kids probably got cold biscuits and cereal today while mother slept in today
-Gigi Be

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Andrea (#186), Jedidiah is the one who is now running for local office. Something tells me none of this is going to help his chances.

Ingrid said...

Happy Thanksgiving to all. We are having our family T day on Sat. if the weather cooperates but today is my birthday so having a nice meal at home and my kid made me a homemade baked eggnog cheesecake with gingersnap crust. Can hardly wait to try it!!

JR said...

Anna and joshes house was not raided

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Ingrid (#189), happy birthday! I'm a big cheesecake fan, but rarely bake one myself. So props to your daughter for making that effort for your special day. Enjoy!

Anonymous said...

Ingrid....How sweet of your son. Happy Birthday!

capecodmama

Ingrid said...

Thanks!. I haven't made a baked cheese cake either. She worked hard on it and even used a spring form pan. It was delicious! I usually do the easiest non bake from the Jello brand box mix. LOL

Anonymous said...

Ingrid...Sorry. For some reason I thought you said your son made you a cake but you said my kid. My bad as I don’t know if it was a son or daughter. Either way it was a lovely gesture.

capecodmama

Ingrid said...

I wasn't worried capecodmama. Kid is just easier to type. It was a very nice surprise!

JR said...

Probably not a big deal ... Jill and Derrick stayed home for thanksgiving and had some friends over... he said to go over to the Duggar’s home wasn’t optional..... most of the grown Duggar’s were not there...whatever!

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Did Schmoopy post anything at all on Thanksgiving? Or was she slaving all day over a hot stove for her family of 10? I mean 7?

The fans mean nothing to her until it's time to scare up viewers. I've said it before...she's like that lousy friend who only calls you when she needs something. She ignores your calls and emails for months at a time, but suddenly you're on her radar when her boyfriend breaks up with her, or her best friend is out of town, or she needs that 3rd reference for a job.

JR said...

@197...that’s what narcs do! They’re notorious for discarding people they have no use for

Kelsey O. said...

So sad in her letter to C in her book she wrote she would never leave him.

foxy said...

Collin posted on instagram how thankful he is for his family and all those who have helped him. I am glad he has some love and even like in his life now. Mother is such a hateful self centered jerk.

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