Tuesday, December 4, 2018

Breaking news: Jon awarded custody of Collin

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Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Aww, isn't it cute that the poor sheeple have nowhere to go with their tantrums than our little "cesspool of hate" here?

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There's only one sheeple left defending this horrible mother and she's here. Is that a sheep-i? Wasn't singular sheeple?

BlueJay said...

I'm wondering how long she can go keeping quiet. I mean silence was never her thing really. But without any fans I don't know.

Couple more years her six will be able to start talking, if they decide to be interviewed or something like that or write tell all books. Now that's going to be interesting.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


There's only one sheeple left defending this horrible mother and she's here. Is that a sheep-i? Wasn't singular sheeple?
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LOL, if you actually believe that anything I have said is a defense of Kate, you must be one sorry ass defense attorney.

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Proof it's personal.

I'm not a defense attorney. I flipped years and years ago to prosecuting child abusers like Kate. Try to keep up.

Layla said...

Kate's been quiet because this is a battle she can't win. She followed her normal pattern when dealing with Collin--she banished him, just like everyone else. But if she expected her followers to just blindly accept that (which she obviously did), she must have been surprised at their reactions. Even they couldn't find a decent argument in favor of banishing a child, especially as the years dragged on with him gone. Milo sure did try, bless her heart, to convince everyone that it's just like college and it's just temporary, but over time that argument just didn't hold water. Kate can't fight this battle without trashing Collin (and Hannah since she left), and she knows she can't get away with that. She does not want to open the floodgates. She will not win this one if she does.

Jane said...

Am I remembering correctly that Kate’s pal Jamie also lost custody of her kids?

AuntieAnn said...

I think that dad rule needs to be tweaked just a bit:
"Ask your mom to play. But don't get your feelings hurt if she doesn't recognize you."

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Flimsy - yes, that's probably more true than we'd like to think.

And to tweak it a bit more... if you don't play by HER rules, you'll get yourself ousted from the game room altogether - including the property you helped pay for.

foxy said...

Jane 5....I also remember that Jamie lost custody of her kids to her ex-husband and I think he lives in a different State. She did have liberal visitation however. She was often at Kate's when Kate and Skeevie were traveling. She didn't have her own children then either.

Formerly Duped said...

Looks like Collin has some nice new clothes as well as a cool haircut and glasses. I bet he just had plain clothes before Jon found him in the facility. He is catching up!

Ingrid said...

foxy said... 7

Jane 5....I also remember that Jamie lost custody of her kids to her ex-husband and I think he lives in a different State

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I think Jamie's kids live in Pennsylvania with their dad or atleast they did a while ago. That is why she would come back to PA--to visit them (and hang with Khate.)

Jamesvader1194 said...

I honestly had no idea Jamie lost custody of her kids.I always wondered why jamie stayed by Kate's side all those years when kate was cutting ties with people.Now it makes sense to me.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Jessa Duggar Seewald just announced baby #3 is on the way. And the new season of "Counting On" begins 2/11.
Meanwhile, ol' Schmoopy prefers Counting Down. As in...2 kids down, 6 to go.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I always thought it was ironic that the sheeple all loved Jamie and defended her, and she had lost her kids just like Jon had. Yet they hated Jon.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Is this a thing where every time Kate loses a kid a Duggar gets pregnant?

Concerned Aussie said...

Is this a thing where every time Kate loses a kid a Duggar gets pregnant?
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Lol Admin.

Old poster said...

I’m still flabbergasted Kate failed to show up in court for a custody hearing.
What kind of mother doesn’t show up for a custody hearing????
Lordybe!

Gigi Be said...

Mady just posted in her “stories” on IG a picture of a cream cheese bagel and some kind of beverage at a restaurant somewhere. Hopefully she’s out and about enjoying a social life with some friends after school. Otherwise , big yawn!

JoyinVirginia said...

just stopping by quickly, latest People magazine cover: weddings! Miley and Liam! Christina from Flip or Flop! Meghan Tranor! plus new folks who lost half their body wemight and the different programs / regimens they used to do it!

NJGal51 said...

Well Mady made a brief appearance on Instagram. She posted a video of her bagel and iced coffee drink. It’s at the top of her IG page. Nothing exciting.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Well Mady made a brief appearance on Instagram.

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Mady remembered that she set up a faux public account for the fans and so she figured she better switch over to it and post something on it now and again. Then it's back to her real account.

mel said...

I am happily thinking Kate is done! Now she will have to live off her children's earnings until there is no more and then who knows what. She would never get a real job. I feel bad for the kids who worked all their lives.

Layla said...

A video of iced coffee and a bagel? No thanks, I'll skip it.

OT, but did anyone else cry when they heard Jayme Closs was found alive? God bless that girl, she's been through such trauma and learning to cope with the murder of her parents and the ordeal she has lived through is going to be so hard. I can't even imagine. But thank goodness she got away!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


OT, but did anyone else cry when they heard Jayme Closs was found alive? God bless that girl, she's been through such trauma and learning to cope with the murder of her parents and the ordeal she has lived through is going to be so hard. I can't even imagine. But thank goodness she got away!


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Yes, and the story is insane. The guy is only 21, and apparently he targeted Jayme. Why??? I must confess I thought there was a good chance the girl was dead, though it didn't make sense to me why her parents were killed and found but she wasn't found.

I pray to God he didn't hurt her in the time he held her captive. This has a lot of similarities to Elizabeth Smart. Jayme even resembles Elizabeth. I'm glad she ran away or this could have turned into a much longer ordeal. We need to drill into both kids and adults if ever in this unlikely situation you MUST make every effort to run away, it's your best chance.

Ingrid said...


Layla said... 21
OT, but did anyone else cry when they heard Jayme Closs was found alive?
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I did and am so happy she was found. I watched live feed from a helicopter of the search parties in the beginning. It was amazing the turnout they had.

She lived about 25 miles south of my daughter. She was found about 40 miles north of her. Thank god they caught him too. I think how it could have been my family and granddaughter. Too close!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


She lived about 25 miles south of my daughter. She was found about 40 miles north of her. Thank god they caught him too. I think how it could have been my family and granddaughter. Too close!


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Yikes.

Who IS this guy? It can't be a coincidence he worked with her parents at Jennie-O although apparently only for a day. Was he stalked the girl?

Ingrid said...

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 24

Who IS this guy? It can't be a coincidence he worked with her parents at Jennie-O although apparently only for a day. Was he stalked the girl?
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They said that they would release more info on Monday. For never being in trouble he sure was a sicko

Anonymous said...

I am so happy to hear that Jame Closs has been found and reunited with her aunt. I hope more details are released soon. People on social media are accusing her of killing her parents and running off with this guy. Others are saying his lawyer will blame her for the murders of her parents. More information needs to come from officials soon in order to hopefully put an end to the gossip.

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Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


I am so happy to hear that Jame Closs has been found and reunited with her aunt. I hope more details are released soon. People on social media are accusing her of killing her parents and running off with this guy. Others are saying his lawyer will blame her for the murders of her parents. More information needs to come from officials soon in order to hopefully put an end to the gossip.

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That's really sick what people are saying. She's a 12 year old child. No matter what happened, she is the victim of this adult. It does not matter what happened or even if she consenting to anything, she cannot consent. It's 2019 and people are still treating children this way.

Layla said...

It's just awful that people are speculating that Jayme had something to do with this. I'm sure police searched any social media and her phone (if she had one), and questioned her friends and acquaintances. No link. And--Jayme was wearing shoes much too big for her when she escaped. He must have taken hers to keep her from getting away on foot. A story I read today said the kidnapper was driving around "hunting" her when he was captured. It gives me chills to think what he would have done if he had found her.

foxy said...

The family of Jayme Closs is asking for privacy at this time. Thank God she has a great support system and her dogs. When her ordeal sinks in it will hit her that something horrendous happened to her. Elizabeth Smart has come forward with praise of Jayme and how resourceful and strong she is to rescue herself like that. There is a ton of snow in that area right now. Thank God she is safe and had the fortitude to just run.

capecodmama said...

Admin...Sea Gordon is looking very dapper.

Gimme Gimme said...

I have been gone for a while but I was wondering if anyone knew anything about Jon's 5 million dollar lawsuit with TLC. It seems as though he would have had a good case especially with things now falling apart.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Admin...Sea Gordon is looking very dapper.

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He says thanks very much!

I must admit I'm amassing quite an impressive bow tie stash for him.

Ingrid said...

Live on facebook now 3:30 pm CST-- Jayme Closs kidnapper court. https://www.facebook.com/news8000/videos/2254006328256924/?notif_id=1547501408198851&notif_t=live_video_explicit

Ingrid said...

If you can go back and watch this on News8000 facebook. Before the court actually started the reporters talked about a few new things they have learned.

Ingrid said...

Here's some more from Madison news. Court doc info. what a sick f...

https://www.channel3000.com/news/jake-patterson-charged-in-jayme-closs-abduction/975353109

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Here's some more from Madison news. Court doc info. what a sick f...

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This is OUTRAGEOUS!

The only blessing is she got out after only a few months. She was so courageous to run. This torture could have gone on years for the poor girl.

Gigi Be said...

Apparently Mady is in NYC and she posted a pic of herself with the caption : This is my mom’s hat!!!!

What a strange thing to say! Wouldn’t a teen traveling in NY want to brag about the sites and landmarks she’s visiting instead of bragging about her mom’s hat?? This just proves to me that Kate uses this Instagram acct. Her narcissism shows as well as the five explanation points after the sentence.

Gigi Be said...

Edit: it looks like most of the explanation points have been removed

Jbranck1980 said...

Finally saw confirmation that Kate Plus 8 is cancelled! And still no word on Kate Plus Date 🤷‍♀️

https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/why-did-tlc-cancel-kate-plus-8-will-kate-gosselin-ever-be-back-on-tv.html/

Concerned Aussie said...

It's sad that Mady seems to have become so much like her shallow materialistic mother. In early episodes she seemed to have heart and potential to be caring and loving. Thinking especially about the gum incident where she comforted and spoke up for sad little Collin.

I get the feeling now that she pretty much gives Kate free reign to use the account and do what she wants with it in exchange for designer clothes etc. That's a very nice jacket she's wearing. There's a payoff. And the fact that Cara's account is quite dead with 1600 followers and no posts, while Mady's has 42K speaks volumes. Lots of bot buying going on there. That account exists for and is controlled by Kate. Just my opinion.

Formerly Duped said...

Yeah, Ithink the hat remark was added to prove Kate has a good relationship with at least one of her children!
Pathetic!

Layla said...

Why would a teenager post a picture of herself in NYC and make a comment about the least interesting aspect of the photo? A completely nondescript hat that belongs to her mother. That's all Kate. She wants people to speculate that they're up to something in NY. There's so many reasons for Mady to be in NY--a class trip, shopping or theater trip, visit with Deanna, tagging along for a hair appointment with "Guncle" Ronnie, a campus visit--but she just has to bring up Kate. But Kate loves to tease, and she's using Mady to do it.

Maybe Mady saw the recent news reports about kids losing their $350 Moncler pom pom hats at school and wanted to get in on the action. If so, it's a total fail. Nobody's going to mistake her Under Armour hat for Moncler.

NJGal51 said...

If TFW is trying to sell Mady as the next IG star she’d better post more and buy more likes and comments.

Formerly Duped said...

I read about the Moncler hat theft. That is crazy to spend $350+ on what is basically a beanie or bobble hat. Non-news.But I recall my daughter had a semi-expensive jacket stolen in middle school.I think uniforms are a good idea!

JM said...

The other twin's IG used to be private but now appears to be public. When it was private, it did show she had several posts, lots of followers and she was following quite a few people. Now it shows no posts, still quite a few followers and she is only following 2 people, her mother and sister. Hmmmm, with the other twin's NY post, just makes me think something is in the works, like maybe the dating show is going to air (with M & C making appearances but not the other kids) and/or an upcoming interview, tv or magazine. Just wondering.

Former Lurker said...

I agree with the comments that TFW is probably controlling, or at least influencing, Mady's Instagram account. That NYC pic is such a tease, just like TFW always loved to do. By posting it with no comment about what she's doing in NYC, Mady & TFW were deliberately inviting questions and speculation. Same old garbage.

And, it looks like Barb is still falling for it:

gabyschues What are you doing in NY? I think we’d rather hear about that then your hat. Hope your having fun

barbgilmer1 @gabyschues I’m sure she can’t Divulge why they are in NY!

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Oh yes, just like TFW's constant teasing back in her glory days, shhh, it's top secret where they're filming. Give me a break.

Whatever the reason she's in NYC, it's seemingly one of the only interesting things she's done all year. Yet, she posts a boring, inane comment rather than commenting on what she's doing there. Yes, that sure does sound like TFW more than an 18 year old girl posting on her IG account.

Here's the link to the pic if anyone wants it:

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bsq6Oy5F2Ww/

Layla said...

JM (45)
I doubt there's anything coming up. Kate just wants to get people speculating. The same thing happened a few months ago when Mady posted a photo of herself and mentioned that her makeup was done by a NYC makeup artist. It was probably something for senior pictures (she can't have mediocre senior pictures like everyone else, you know!), but it stirred up speculation. And then what happened? Nothing. I'm thinking Kate and Mady will do something like this every few months to try to stir things up, but until I hear TLC announce an airing date for this dating show, I'm not falling for it.

Oldposter said...

This pic could have been taken anytime, not necessarily last week.
Kate’s a doofus

BlueJay said...

It's off topic but I am so thankful that that poor girl Jayme Closs is now free and hopefully doing better. I live in a neighboring state and it has just been awful. This is the best outcome there could possibly be and I wish has a recovery,though I don't know how one every truly recovers from such horrible things like that.

On topic, I suppose this whole issue with Collin has caused Kate to finally (fingers crossed) recede into the background. I still look at it as Jon got a job eventually...so what's her hold up? I don't think any job is mediocre as long as you are providing for yourself and your family I mean to stick your nose up in the air like that isn't very becoming. I think if other reality stars can get jobs Miss Thing should be able to as well! I mean after all she DOES have (or had) count them 8 kids to support. Like nobody else on this planet has ever had a large family or gone through a divorce before...

Lorrie said...

Blue Jay, exactly. And it’s not just reality stars that worked “mediocre” jobs after experiencing a brush with fame. Look at Geoffrey Owens! On one of the most popular shows of all time, but still not too good to take a job at Trader Joe’s in order to provide for his family. Terry Crews was sweeping floors after the NFL. Lots of people have been able to “go back”; the difference with Kate is that she’s absolutely unwilling to. Why should she have to when her children have been providing so well for her since their birth?

BlueJay said...

Oh that's right, Lorrie, I forgot about Geoffrey Owens. Now there's a nice roll model.

I highly doubt Kate will ever learn to be that gracious. I far more suspect she'll be one of those "one time stars" who show up in magazines from time to time or one of those where are they now shows.

Layla said...

I saw that Counting On is returning for another season in early February. The last season ended in October! So it only takes 4 months to film a full season, edit it, and have it ready for viewing. TLC announced the dating show at the beginning of last April. Kate was "working" with Jamie in early May, was filming at an Escape Room in August, and still--nothing. TLC said the show would air in the fall of 2018. It didn't. TLC has not mentioned the show at all since the announcement in May. Isn't that just...interesting.

Regarding Kate's claims that she "can't go back"--she once said she first said that to Jon in 2007 or 2008, and Jon agreed. But she also says that Jon was always ready to walk away. One of her many, many contradictions. Why walk away if you know you can't "go back"? What would be the point? Why walk away if you can't ever work a normal job again, can't support yourselves, can't support your kids? As usual, even her lies don't make sense.

Mom2two said...

Looks like cara still has her private account. Likely she was upset her mom tagged her and was getting friend requests so she made the link the new public account and renamed her private one. And maybe mady was in ny as a last minute college visit, but i am sure pic was stsged

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

And maybe mady was in ny as a last minute college visit, but i am sure pic was stsged

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It looks like Mady has learned some of Kate's worst habits about social media. The NYC photo is a big tease, leaving far more questions unanswered than answered. Most celebs when they post something like that that simply isn't self explanatory, will say something the to the effect of "in NYC for such and such", or otherwise share interesting or descriptive information about what is going on. I can think of a handful of celeb accounts I follow now who always say WHY they are where they are, unless it's obvious why, like they're at home. Kate could have transitioned at least some of these kids to developing their own following and branding and likely make a few bucks, but because she's an idiot, none of these kids will never take off.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Lorrie (#50), and the people you mentioned were famous for having a specific talent, and they managed to humble themselves to get regular jobs. Schmoopy's talent, beyond breeding and grifting, has yet to be identified, yet she still thinks she's too marvelously marvelous to seek employment away from the spotlight.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Layla (#52), remember that couch interview when Jon said he missed being just Jon Gosselin, and TFW said there were some things they had to "iron out?" That was shrewspeak for, "If you don't get with the program, I'm kicking your sorry but to the curb. Oh, but not before I score a sweet Hawaiian vacay, and a crossover episode of Say Yes To the Dress!"

Anonymous said...

I don’t think that it’s hard to edit episodes of counting on. It’s an endless cycle of: courtship, wedding, honeymoon, baby. The episodes are so boring. I don’t know why TLC keeps dragging it on.

Andrea

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Besides "why was she there?" what are the many unanswered questions?

The real question is why you feel you should be privy to detailed information about the travels of famous people you follow on social media. They can share as much or as little as they choose. You have quite a sense of entitlement.

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What in the world are you talking about? Of course they can choose to share as much or as little as they like. No one said otherwise.

The point is that you don't get followers or foster a successful social media presence by being an obnoxious tease. Kate sucks at successful social media which has been pointed out here many times, and now so does Mady. Maybe she wants to suck at it, get less followers and opportunities and make less money, I have no idea. But there's nothing wrong with my comment that she is a tease. Now go back to Canada with you.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


DYING to hear the excuse for supporting a treasonous Russian operative President. And one who SAID he would shut down the government until he got his cookie, I mean, wall. PLEASE tell us you've finally come to your senses like the rest of us normal people!

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Before you go off you might want to get your facts right first. There have been 17 different government shutdowns in the past 40 years. The latest one when your hero Obama didn't get HIS way. Yawn, and it's just a 25% shutdown. Yawn. Most federal divisions are fully operational.

Have you contacted officer Singh's family and told them how you feel about this "cookie"? I'm sure they'd love to hear from a Canadian why it was okay with you for their son/husband/father to DIE.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


You might find the gov't shutdown a big YAWN but those who are furloughed or forced to work without pay and unable to meet their financial obligations might just find it to be a somewhat bigger deal. Your lack of empathy is par for the course. And very Republican.

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If you're a government worker and you see that your job has been shut down a whopping 17 times, you might just say to yourself 1. a government job isn't that reliable and maybe not for me if I want something reliable or 2. I better save up several months of expenses in case this happens again.

Obama did this when he didn't get HIS cookie and nobody from your lot whined.

I work for the government, I have about 5-6 months of expenses saved just in case this happens here. Unlike liberals, I don't put all my hopes and dreams on the government to save me in a pinch. I've seen enough to know they won't. Is your crowd stupid or just dumb?

YOUR lack of empathy for Officer Sighl's family is astounding. Or Kate Stinley's. Or Mollie Tibbett's. Do I need to go on?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Whatever the reason she's in NYC, it's seemingly one of the only interesting things she's done all year. Yet, she posts a boring, inane comment rather than commenting on what she's doing there. Yes, that sure does sound like TFW more than an 18 year old girl posting on her IG account.

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Exactly, finally something more interesting than watching paint dry is happening on her social media and she plays a tease about it? She's a grade A idiot.

Gigi Be said...

Seems to me that Kate may have given up (at least for now) on the idea of stardom for the tups since C and H are no longer in her clutches. She has seemed to go full steam ahead ( although unsuccessfully so far) with promoting the twins, especially Mady. She might have Mady’s blessing to do so since she loves attention as much as Kate. Cara loves her privacy and hasn’t posted anything as of right now. So there may be a lot of tension between Cara and Kate going forward. But I can see Cara giving in to Kate’s demands here and there to pacify her.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Native born citizens kill far more people than undocumented immigrants.

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That is a ridiculous thing to say. No illegal immigrant criminals should be here hurting people in the first place, so comparisons to other criminals are absurd and irrelevant. That's like saying it's okay to allow through contaminated barrels of apples, because there are a lot more contaminated barrels of oranges out there so oranges are a bigger problem. Critical thinking skills and sound arguments. Try it sometime. Come back when you've told Kate Stinley's father that illegal immigrants aren't a problem. Say it to his face you disgusting coward. He's got a facebook, contact him. Until you've done that, go away with this crap.

As for me being a one percenter, you have literally no idea what you're talking about. If you knew how I grew up and how hard I've worked to work my way up. And I am not a one percenter. I literally had NOTHING for the longest time. Newsflash, government lawyers aren't loaded. We are public servants and take massive pay cuts to serve you taxpayers, even the most obnoxious whiners like yourself. I could go down the street and get a job at Gibson Dunn for 300k and screw doing something meaningful with my life, but I'm here to serve your sorry soul. You're welcome. Government employees are, however, paid very fairly, and any government employee who says they cannot save 5-6 months in an emergency fund, is simply lying. Stop buying expensive cars and houses and eating out and living beyond your means and it's amazing how quickly you've got some savings saved up. I saved that all up on an entry level salary, anyone else can do it. Your lot is the biggest bunch of whiners and whoa-is-me'ers, it's not attractive at all. Talk about the problems of the elite in an elite country, what drivel. I'll take no pay for a year or however long it would take if it would bring Kate Stinley back, you cow. People whining about oh they won't be able to eat out five nights a week might want to have a little introspection. Kate Stinley's parents will never be able to take their daughter out to dinner ever again, try to think about them for once.

FYI said...

Kate Stinley's parents will never be able to take their daughter out to dinner ever again, try to think about them for once.
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Do you also think about the parents of Sandy Hook, Parkland, Southerland Springs, Vegas, Columbine, etc. etc. in the same way?

Concerned Aussie said...

Well this is interesting if this is Cara's real account. Just doing a bit of stalking to see if Cara does have other instagram accounts and found this. She tells her mother in her profile not to follow her and that she will not share any personal info. Sorry don't know how to make the link clickable. https://www.instagram.com/caragosselin/

Layla said...

Admin,
MS-13 has made no secret of the fact that it's bringing gang members from South America into this country to expand its ranks. They are a real concern in certain parts of the US, including my area. Too many teenagers disappearing and turning up dead at the hands of teenage MS-13 members. They are killing and dying before their lives have begun! Liberals might be okay with that, but I bet any one of them would change their tune if MS-13 set sights on their child.

Gigi Be (62)
Mady has always wanted to be in the public eye. She loves the attention, and I have no doubt that she'd follow in Kate's footsteps if she had the chance. I remember her saying, when she was still quite young, "The Disney Channel, that's my dream".

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Oh yeah, you've got us pegged. We liberals love us some gang members. The more hard core, the better. We are totally cool with other people's children being murdered. You are on to us. Such perception and depth of insight from you genius conservatives.

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The only lack of insight is from your lot that is absolutely refusing to take any ownership of what your policies have caused. If you think your lot is not DIRECTLY responsible for the incredibly frightening and dangerous gang activity in this country you are living in a fantasy. Grow up for once and take ownership over what you've done, at least then we can have an honest debate. But you never will so.

I really would love for you to come to my court for one day. Like, ONE day. Sit with some kids, talk to them about the illegal stepdad who came here, met their mother and then raped them and set up a drug operation in the house and then the child found the drugs and nearly ingested them. I think it would open your eyes to what hours this has all caused and help get you out of your bubble of delusion and lack of responsibility for what a mess these border cities are. Do you even live in a border city? I'm guessing not.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Too many teenagers disappearing and turning up dead at the hands of teenage MS-13 members.

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In all honesty, I think people against the wall are getting very distracted by the supposed "morality" of it, give me your tired your poor and all that, and are not facing up to the realities of what really happens when there are open borders. Naive maybe? Ignorant for some, lack of experience with this population for others (fair enough, few people interact with the illegal immigrant population eight hours a day as I do), refusal to develop an awareness of what's going on outside their bubble by reading different news sources, etc. The whole thing is just one big mess and I think we should skip all this and just declare a state of emergency and build it. Enough already, how many kids have to die?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Do you also think about the parents of Sandy Hook, Parkland, Southerland Springs, Vegas, Columbine, etc. etc. in the same way?

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Do you?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


BTW, where is your empathy for police officers who were killed by American citizens? Why are police officers killed by "illegals" more important than those killed by American citizens?

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All blue lives matter. All. It's only your lot who rank some lives more worthy than others, that's your lot. Even people who have no constitutional protection you want to rank differently. But again you're making that flawed logic thing again. Because some cops are killed in a different way, that means it's okay for other cops to be killed by illegals. You really need to read a logic textbook or something to understand this logical fallacy and why it is a fallacy, because you keep making this flawed argument. Tiresome.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Have you bothered to listen to the people furloughed?

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It's been hard to find them! The media even had to put out a call for people to please come forward and tell their sob stories because they had trouble coming up with them on their own LOL. They dug up a few sob stories that mostly involve people not thinking ahead more than two days with their money. Dave Ramsey would be shaking his head at that. I heard Mallory Lorge's story about insulin so absolutely idiotic I can't believe she has any business working in our government, that's how stupid this idiot is. She worked herself into a panic and intentionally didn't give herself her proper medicine. That's on her, that's her being an idiot. Is that the best the media can come up with? One government worker who only ran out of medicine due to her own panic and stupidity? Rhetorical question. What happens to Mallory during any other random stressful day, does she intentionally not take her meds on those days too? Someone take Mallory off the line, we've got a defective one here.

I don't have interest in the problems of the privileged government worker sloths boo hoo I didn't get a paycheck but I've got a pension the size of Texas awaiting me when I'm 60s. People are *dying*. They can wait for their paychecks while we focus on saving lives.

Sue said...

I have a family member who is an air traffic controller. He’s working full time plus extra hours and isn’t being paid. He and his wife are now going into savings to pay large bills - mortgage, heat but are fortunate that his wife is salaried and they have no children but still, things are getting tight and they don’t want to go into IRAs. Several of those he works with have had to take on second jobs and so are guiding flights with less sleep than they need. The schools that train air flight staff are closed and so no new staff will be available for quite some time.

Please don’t disparage those furloughed. Their political affiliation doesn’t matter, of course they want good border security in whatever form is right for an individual region.

Kylie said...

Admin, my husband is a retired computer engineer from NASA. What I can tell you is that not all government employees are 'sloths'. And most of them don't have massive pensions. The employees who had the advantage of a great pension ended a good while back. Their retirements now look a lot like anyone else, similar to IRA's. It's unfair to paint everyone with the same brush. These people are people like anyone else, a furlough is a stressful, hard thing to go through. It makes you feel guilty that you are not doing your job and yet you know you will get back pay when the latest furlough is over. But the contractors for NASA do not get back pay, only the civil service employees. I feel for all of them.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Admin, my husband is a retired computer engineer from NASA. What I can tell you is that not all government employees are 'sloths'. And most of them don't have massive pensions. The employees who had the advantage of a great pension ended a good while back. Their retirements now look a lot like anyone else, similar to IRA's. It's unfair to paint everyone with the same brush. These people are people like anyone else, a furlough is a stressful, hard thing to go through. It makes you feel guilty that you are not doing your job and yet you know you will get back pay when the latest furlough is over. But the contractors for NASA do not get back pay, only the civil service employees. I feel for all of them.


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I really like the guys and girls at NASA. This is why I think we should forget this whole shutdown, declare a state of emergency and build this thing. Then good people can get back to work, idiot workers who panic and inexplicably don't take their insulin will get back on their meds again, and we can all be safer.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Mollie Tibbetts mother doesn't want her daughter's death to be political. That is certainly understandable in this difficult time. Few parents would want their child to be the face of any issue. That being said, her murder is relevant to the discussion and a matter of grave public concern. I'm sorry that that's tough on her mother or that she is resistant to accepting the real reasons her child died.

But has anyone asked Mollie if her views have changed since her short life was snuffed out by an illegal criminal? Oh wait we can't, she's dead. Unfortunately her mom can only speak for herself now, not for Mollie.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I think you should move to the "heartland" and then you'd be dealing with white meth heads who have engaged in the same horrific behavior.

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Oh my goodness, where do you think those white meth heads are getting their drugs? You're so naive! You just proved my point, this opioid crisis has absolutely infiltrated even the most Americana of places in the heartland. Wake up. Will it take your own child dying of an overdose to wake up? Overdoses are now the leading cause of death for Americans under 50. WAKE UP.

Also for someone who has lived in LA maybe you didn't spend much time looking around, as we get lots of white meth heads too here.

NJGal51 said...

Admin - I’m a recently retired federal employee (GSA DoD) and don’t think that I was a “sloth”. I am one of the lucky few that was still under the Civil Service Retirement System so yes, I’ll be gettin 70% of my pay for my pension. Please don’t paint all federal employees with the same brush.

My question about the employee with the insulin copay and $40K in hospital bills, did she opt out of the government health insurance so that she’d get a bigger paycheck? The government offers really good health benefits. If she’s got a hospital bill and pharmacy copay like that there’s something very wrong and we’re not getting the whole story.

When we were stationed at Ft. Bliss I can’t tell you the number of times that I saw border patrol with “illegals” sitting on the side of the road and it was the same when we were stationed in AZ. Also, one of the major wildfires was started by drug runners from Mexico as a diversion. If you walk in the desert you’d better have a weapon. Also, the mess that the illegals leave behind is unbelievable. I’m all for a wall.

Anonymous said...

I respect everone opinion but I dont think a wall will solve the issue. If that is the case then you need to buld a Dome and build a wall all around United states since the the majority of the drugs came by water and air.
The issue is bigger than a wall.
Nan

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


My question about the employee with the insulin copay and $40K in hospital bills, did she opt out of the government health insurance so that she’d get a bigger paycheck? The government offers really good health benefits. If she’s got a hospital bill and pharmacy copay like that there’s something very wrong and we’re not getting the whole story.

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Exactly my thought. It was a ridiculous attempt at a sob story to try to come up with some dramatic headline.

When you actually read the story, you see I believe the woman worked for Fish and Wildlife, which has just as much of a comprehensive health insurance plan as anyone else, and it's not that she lost her insurance or anything else. It's that she herself, despite plenty of insulin available to her, voluntarily chose to stop taking her insulin because she panicked about her debt and finances. So in other words, she did it to herself.

You can't fix stupid, even in a government shutdown.

If the sentiment is the wall won't work (and it's worked amazingly at the Israel/Egypt border, at San Diego right here, and many other borders) then what's the harm in trying it? And don't say because it's too much money, because the amount of money the government burns on a daily basis would make you fall over. No liberal ever once showed concern over spending before so you can't change gears now to suit your purpose.

The truth is politicians want the immigrant vote they just won't admit their real motives. They don't care about these people, don't fool yourself.

foxy said...

NJGal51....I too am a recently retired Federal employee. Something doesn't add up with Mallory's story. She also started a GofundMe page that has given her nearly $1500 for meds. And people offering their excess insulin, very dangerous there. She has a husband so it looks like neither of them has health insurance. The Federal workers are offered health insurance where we pay part of the premium and the government pays part of the premium. When you retire you can bring it with you at the same price. I don't understand the huge hospital bill either. Both she and her husband work, so this looks like more of a ploy for attention. The poor me, look at me. I survived the 95/96 shutdown of 6 days and then 21 days. I had a very sick husband and 3 kids to take care of. I never felt sorry for myself like this person. I was taught at an early age how to take care of myself and my family. I am also one of 12 children. We had everything we needed and some of what we wanted. I don't believe half of these stories. I feel the pain of these workers but like any other job be prepared for layoffs in any job you have.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

. She also started a GofundMe page that has given her nearly $1500 for meds


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Of course she has. Of course! I rest my case.

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I was taught at an early age how to take care of myself and my family. I am also one of 12 children. We had everything we needed and some of what we wanted. I don't believe half of these stories. I feel the pain of these workers but like any other job be prepared for layoffs in any job you have.

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It sounds like perhaps this might be a good lesson for people that a backup plan is your friend. Some people in recent times have become VERY dependent on the government. Not just for financial support but it almost seems like for emotional support too. Very nanny state, very paternalistic. It's very strange, especially in light of how independent Americans generally are. And dangerous. When government knows the people think they need them, politicians take advantage of that. I don't believe half the stories either and most of the other half seem like just terrible poor planning or in Mallory's case stupidity.

Jamesvader1194 said...

Ok,im going to tell this story.I have an aunt thats El Salvadorian and her mother actually fled El salvador in the 80s when the country had a civil war.She would tell me of the dangerous things that happen in el salvador even to this day and how scary MS-13 gangs are but just my opinion,but i don't get why she's against the wall and is for illegal migration,especially since she told me why she fled but also considering how americans have been killed by illegals and ms13 gangs that have crossed into the country.I get that you want to have sympathy for people that are fleeing but the wall would of at least stopped 99% of ms13 and actually murderers from coming over.Also i don't get why they don't just do it by legal means.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I get that you want to have sympathy for people that are fleeing but the wall would of at least stopped 99% of ms13 and actually murderers from coming over.Also i don't get why they don't just do it by legal means.


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Correct, the wall would help stop that. I think everyone needs to just admit the wall would help stop it and stop pretending, then we might be able to have an honest discussion. 90 percent of asylum claims unfortunately have no merit to them. They don't do it by legal means because they know their claim will get denied for being bogus, or they will be discovered as MS13 what with all the tattoos on their face.

Even Mexico has had it with illegal immigrants using their country as a bridge to the US. Those against the wall need to look at THEIR history, because it's very informative. In 2008, they made immigration just illegal civilly. Not criminally. They actually hoped that the reverse psychology of it would actually reduce immigration, like the idea that if you legalize drugs it will reduce the demand. There is some logic to that and I don't fault them for trying. Fair enough. Welp, it didn't work at all, if you pay any attention to the news. The violence, the killings, the trafficking are as bad as ever, the illegals using their country as a bridge are as bad as ever. It was a massive failure. It was a policy that KILLED people, many many people, just like what's happening here. This is what the libbies want yet they won't look at someone right next door who tried it and failed.

Even Obama deported a ton of MS13 the second the feds or states caught the guys. I even watched the feds in person haul someone away. All during the Obama years.

There is nothing odd or strange about what Trump wants to do. It was happening long before him and he's had to ratchet it up because the problem is getting worse and worse. It is irrelevant to the point what American citizens do, as they have a constitutional right to be here. If we could deport criminals who are native born that would be interesting; we can't. But we CAN deport criminals who are not native born or try to prevent them from coming here in the first place. We have that tool because they simply don't have the rights that natives have. So why on earth wouldn't ANYONE want to do that?

As for Trump just doing this to pander to voters, if the polls the libs claim are true, support for the wall is in the minority, so why on earth would coming trying to bag all the votes he can be chasing after a minority view? Trump has been talking about immigration long before he ever thought to run for president, perhaps he's doing it because he truly believes it's the right thing to do? Imagine that. That being said, the last time the polls were supposedly so very accurate, Trump got elected. So you can imagine how reliable those polls are, which if you look at them, involve a small sampling size and ask the wall question in a manner that is confusing or not nuanced enough. Asking if you support the wall or not is too simple of a question for many people, since many people like the idea of a wall but only if we can keep the costs down and/or only if it's in the highest traffic areas or only if coupled with other measures like drones, but when you only have to pick yes or no....any one with a tiny bit of critical thinking skills can see why it's hard to gage what the public really feels. And this cuts both ways, the polls could be UNDER reporting dislike of the wall, too. We just don't know because it's a very difficult issue to poll on because of it's nuances. So, fair is fair.

Even many dems now admit walls do work now that it's come out they themselves helped fund some abroad (oopsie) and now that Israel, San Diego, Jordan and other places are speaking out strongly about the lie that walls don't work and to please stop lying that their walls don't work--that's not good PR for their own taxpayers and they want this lie to stop.

just wondering said...

Wouldn't they just build stairs or attach permanent ladders to the other side & simply rappel down the other side? Seems to me that Mexico would also have to build a wall & have a patrolled area in between. And I just don't see that happening. It's just not adding up for me.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Wouldn't they just build stairs or attach permanent ladders to the other side & simply rappel down the other side?

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Involved attempts like that are apparently rare at other walls. The crossings in Egypt went from 4,000 to eleven in one year after building the wall. The next year it was zero! Requiring stairs or ropes and things makes a crossing more expensive and dangerous and difficult for everyone but the mist young and agile. A huge deterrent. Again look at San Diego. Their wall is proof of concept it works. So why not try it?

Radio Silence said...

I can't believe kart has not posted anywhere, anything..... I am pretty convinced there was a lot going on that we may never know. But her silence is deafening!

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