Coming up, Dr. Jenn is coming down pretty hard on Liz as the doc tries to help Jon. Debra is here (happy happy joy joy!), and boy is she looking road weary. Twenty-two years being Teen Duck Lips's mother have certainly taken their toll.
Credits roll, and I've never really described them, but they consist of a friendly beat and the various couples against a black backdrop saying deep things like "When things are good, they're great, when they're bad, they're bad." Teen Duck Lips asks profoundly, "Why do I always end up alone?" Is that a rhetorical question?
It's the night where we last left off, and Sada and Duck Lips are trying to explain to Liz and Jon that they're not trying to be mean for the heck of it, they're trying to help by pointing out that Liz treats Jon poorly and he doesn't stand up for himself.
Duck Lips assures Liz she does not talk about people behind their backs, this is not about trash talking her. While I fully believe they love Liz and Jon like they say they do and just want to help, that is a funny assertion because that's all she ever did on the Real Housewives. That's all anyone does who appears on that franchise. Everyone constantly talks behind someone's back or is confronting someone talking behind their back or belly aching that someone is talking behind their backs, which in so doing is also talking behind someone's back, lol. That and they go to dinner parties in places like Puerto Rico.
"Lesbians, chime in!" Duck Lips says.
"The lesbians are beat, the lesbians are falling asleep," Liz quips. Ha.
There was an unpublished comment to the blog the other week blasting me for referring to Sada and Whitney as just "the lesbians," but I want to point out here that "the lesbians" is what the people in the house actually call them, and Sada and Whitney giggle over it. I get the feeling it's a running joke about casting a token gay couple. If they had any problem whatsoever with it, I have no doubt they would say so. Not everyone takes political correctness so seriously, Whitney and Sada included, and it's certainly refreshing. And to boot, the lesbians have proven themselves to have the healthiest relationship of all of them, so they get the last laugh.
"Next time Jon tells me we need to go to bed, I think I'm just gonna ...." Liz says dryly as she makes the "O.K." sign. See what you get for not listening to Lights Out Man, Liz?
In an interview later Liz says look, what really got her about this is that they're comparing her to Kate. That just gets under her skin and she thinks it's very unfair. Once she calmed down, she realized she appreciated the housemates for being honest with her and for giving reasonable explanations for why they were saying what they were. Well, good for her, that's a start. I just can't get over how funny it is that everyone sees being compared to Kate as the greatest insult you could ever possibly give a person.
How did someone like Kate get to such a sordid point? A hundred and fifty episodes I guess. And wouldn't you be just mortified to be regarded by pop culture as the Wicked Witch of Wernersville? Man alive.
Dr. Jenn admits Liz and Jon are making progress. Fair enough. Dr. Jenn sits down with Jon one on one. As we know these are always great.
Dr. Jenn is concerned Jon is falling back into his same patterns with Kate. Again, calling out what a terrible thing he had with Kate, I love it. I can just picture Kate glued to the television, popcorn bowl in hand, squeezing that popcorn into fists when she hears this. She and Kate Coyne and TLC for years have tried to spin herself as the victim in that whole relationship, and now here's someone, a professional no less, shattering that glass house and finally describing the relationship the opposite way. To boot, Dr. Jenn, a licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, has massive amounts of experience in domestic violence and other dysfunctional relationships when she worked at Peace Over Violence; this is not her first rodeo. Kate must be seething over all this, a licensed therapist, not to mention all the housemates, refusing to accept she was the victim. Ha. While I think Dr. Jenn is way off base when it comes to Teen Duck Lips, overall I think her take on things is right on the money, and I think her analysis of Jon and Kate, and Jon and Liz, is spot on.
Jon explains that Liz loves him, she is the only woman he really felt a connection with after the dating he did, and also he has to think about his eight children. "She's really good with my kids."
Dr. Jenn admits that Liz is filling up things emotionally and sexually for him that he did not have before, but he can't let that overwhelm him from seeing some of the negative things in the relationship. Jon admits it's a fine line. She says Liz needs Jon to tell her certain things she says to him are not acceptable. Jon says he'll give it a whirl.
Day 15, and the cinematographers on this show have really captured some spectacular time lapse twilight shots of Los Angeles throughout this series. Photography is a serious hobby of mine, but most of Los Angeles is pretty dull during normal waking hours. However during magic hour, those brief few moments at sunrise and sunset, this place transforms into something other-wordly, almost Hobbit-like, especially during the cooler months. My current avatar is one such hauntingly beautiful sunset, here's another from a few weeks later I love.
It is truly a blessing to live in such a beautiful place. Jon notices there's a bit of smoke in the distance, probably one of the many small brush fires that crop up during fire season when this was filmed. Jon asks if that's a fire. Liz says snottily, No, genius, it's someone smoking a really big cigar. Huh, maybe Wu-tang's out there somewhere and his cigar exploded on him. I hope he gets lost.
Liz pauses a moment, and you can see the wheels turning. She admits she is a real jerk sometimes when she says things like that, and that she's not used to someone calling her out on it. It's making her realize that she needs to work on this. It's rather interesting but concerning that Liz seemed to think comments that nasty and rude were acceptable until someone had the balls to point it out to her. How does someone get that far in life? No one has asked about Liz's childhood or her past yet, oddly enough.
Kelsey comes out in an over-the-top Pepto-Bismo pink exercise outfit and bandana, LOL. "Oh, heyyy!" she announces as she strikes a pose. Aw, I'm glad she's in a better mood. She fetches Liz to go work out. As much as I find Liz frustrating, it says a lot that someone as sweet as Kelsey has taken her under her wing. She must have seen something in her.
Day 16, group therapy, woo hoo! Spoke too soon, today we're going to talk about everyone's childhoods. Now I know I just said that your childhood is important, but I don't really want to hear about everyone's childhoods for the simple fact that I think some of these people are going to lie, and a lie on national television slamming your childhood is different than just telling a lie about it to a few friends. Especially since many people from their childhoods are probably still around and can't really respond.
Oh dear, Duck Lips witnessed domestic violence as a child. I guess that makes you a gossip thirty years later. Look at Teen Duck Lips over there fake crying, haha. Dr. Jenn says Duck Lips needs to let go of that burden and that's crucial to her parenting. This is the first time I've heard Duck Lips mention her sweet daughter Kennedy, although that's not to say she doesn't talk about her all the time in the 14 other hours of conversation a day that get edited out. I wonder how Kennedy is doing, she must be nine or so now, then I catch myself thinking how weird it is to wonder about a child you don't know. But that's what filming reality T.V. children does, you get to know these kids, care about them, and from time to time wonder about their well-being years later.
Wu-Tang's dad left the family when he was six. He had to grow up at a young age. I will not feel sorry for him. I will not! He is not the first child to grow up in a single parent household, it is no excuse for how he treats Kelsey. Wu-Tang says something about how if he had receive the loved that he needed in his relationships he could have given the same back. What the hell? Dr. Jenn calls this some kind of "breakthrough." I call it blaming others including nice women like Kelsey and Latrice for him being a straight up pig. Kelsey seems to sort of be snickering. I hope that's a snicker of disbelief. "Bingo," Dr. Jenn, really? He wins the $5,000 cash prize now? Spare us, please! What is with the coddling and praising him? Did she forget how pissed she was at him just the other day?
Teen Duck Lips, oh God. Teen Duck Lips remembers something back when she was two? It sounds like what Teen Duck Lips is describing is time outs. They made her sit by herself. You know, exactly what all the experts recommend you do when your child is two. But for some reason this was terribly traumatic for poor Teen Duck Lips and scarred her forever. There goes her voice box, it's gone, I can barely understand her now. She mutters something about how somebody hit her. Child abuse hit or just self-defense? Is that a look of skepticism on Dr. Jenn's face or is the collagen just a little extra puffy today? Oh please bring in Debra to rebut!
Dr. Jenn says the theme for Teen Duck Lips is no one was there for her.
No one was there for her??? Now, Debra and Michael are not perfect parents and in fact are pretty dysfunctional at times, but if anything, they are overbearing. They were always there, always home, have few outside interests other than their children and grandchild, and were always checking up on the kids. Teen Duck Lips complained about how smothering they were! They were the complete opposite of not there for their kids. Now maybe they weren't saying what Teen Duck Lips wanted to hear, like sure go have sex, use abortion as a form of birth control, and stay out all night every night once you do have that kid, but that does not mean they were "not there."
Someone was asking earlier if Dr. Jenn has seen Teen Mom. I don't see how she possibly could have. No way.
I know Sada did not want to discuss her family on television, so I get uncomfortable to see her sort of forced into it. Her parents fought a lot and her dad abused her, and I'll leave it at that. I will say though that she said this became "normal" to her. Which is an important point, because just because a child seems happy, healthy and normal does not mean their home life isn't dysfunctional. That is just their life and kids adapt to it.
You were living in a constant state of terror, Dr. Jenn remarks.
Sada points out that her dad when he wasn't out of control was the most loving parent. In a way that's worse, explains Dr. Jenn and Duck Lips, because they're so confusing and unpredictable and leave you guessing.
Whitney likes the idea that other people who were abused might see this episode. "I think abuse in general is something that should be brought out of the closet and discussed. And I think it will be a really important thing. I'm proud of you." I like Whitney.
Time to go relax, see ya everyone!
So Kelsey, Whitney, Duck Lips' fiancé, Jon and Liz don't get to talk about their childhoods? Why, because their childhoods were relatively normal and too boring for primetime? While childhood plays a major role for many people, not everyone with issues had a bad childhood and not everything can always be blamed on your parents.
Wu-Tang is in his usual asshole position reclined on the bed, only this time he has his hand down his pants. Gross! I don't claim to understand it but I know it's true some guys like to sit like that watching T.V., I guess it feels natural or whatever, but in the privacy of their homes please. Can you imagine the pearl clutching if Jon were shown with his hand down his pants like that? Wu-Tang always acts so tired and lazy, it's a wonder he made it in the business and in life in general. Kelsey is glad Wu-Tang was able to open up in group and thinks he can only move forward from here. She is such a sweetheart. She really wants the best for him even if it's not going to be with her, and that takes a lot.
They both want to stick with therapy and finish this out. Well, that's commendable. Kelsey says she needs to get to a place where she can forgive him.
Coming up, Debra! Wow, she looks like she's been run over by a truck. Or had a baby who grew up into Teen Duck Lips.
Dr. Jenn says the trauma Teen Duck Lips endured was all documented on Teen Mom. Well, exactly, and if you watched Teen Mom carefully, Dr. Jenn, it should have been crystal clear to you that, not withstanding Debra's behavior, Teen Duck Lips was a nightmare of a child and most likely mentally ill. She didn't listen, she didn't respect her parents, she was downright histrionic and they were at their wit's end with her. Of course they find the one clip where Debra gives Teen Duck Lips a light smack on her shoulder, without giving you any context for what the conversation was even about. It's not even from Teen Mom, it's from the first show 16 & Pregnant. They don't mention that Debra has said that Teen Duck Lips has hit her, too. They are both a mess and Teen Duck Lips is no victim here.
I have my own clip to show if I may. In this Teen Mom clip, Debra asks completely normal Mom questions after Teen Duck Lips got a boob job, like how her pain level is and if she's eating well. Teen Duck Lips snaps back at her like an ungrateful brat. Debra was also kind enough to take her to the doctor when Debra never wanted her to get the surgery in the first place, and Debra makes supportive comments like that you can barely see the incision marks. Starts at 5:15.
So suck it, Dr. Jenn!
Geez, from the way Teen Duck Lips talked you would think she was estranged from Debra, but when Debra walks in looking like something the cat dragged in, they both look happy to see each other. Debra seems downright proud of her daughter when Dr. Jenn gushes about how far Teen Duck Lips has come in therapy. She beams with pride and compliments the room decor (she's a real estate agent).
You see, I just don't believe Debra is evil. You can't fake stuff like that.
Debra says she just wanted to raise strong children, who know who they are and achieve their dreams. Sounds reasonable enough. She said when Teen Duck Lips got pregnant, Teen Duck Lips wanted an abortion, but Debra said that was against their religion and she couldn't do that.
Now, regardless of how anyone feels about abortion, Debra as Teen Duck Lips's mother probably felt she had a right to tell her she couldn't do that. But in the state of Iowa, Teen Duck Lips was only required to inform her mother the abortion would take place. Debra couldn't stop it. Any Planned Parenthood could have told Teen Duck Lips that. Teen Duck Lips chose not to override her mother, and that was her decision. Did I mention that if you watched the other shows you would know that Farrah tried to hide her pregnancy from the baby's father? And then even after he died, his sister had to get a judge to intervene just so she could see the only living link left to her brother. In many states, you can't cut a father out of the child's life legally. In Iowa a father has a right to petition the court for his full parental rights even if the mother wants to cut him off. In California that's called a Kelsey S. father. This is who we're dealing with here. Why not address that dysfunctional alienating behavior, Dr. Jenn?
Dr. Jenn says Debra is downplaying how monumental this moment was. Well, it was five years ago. Maybe she just wants to move on at this point, Dr. Jenn. Jeepers. Is it really appropriate for a grandmother to discuss how her grandchild's mother wanted to abort this grandchild? What if Sophia sees this someday?
Dr. Jenn says Debra is angry. Debra is like, um, nooo, I'm not angry at all actually, but thanks for your concern.
Dr. Jenn accuses her of hitting Farrah. Well, she slightly tapped her on the shoulder. I think it's important to be accurate here, and fair. There are two sides to every story. Debra said that when that happened, Farrah had been screaming, cussing and carrying on for 25 minutes. While many people these days including myself don't believe in laying a hand on a child in any form, there's a difference between holding a four-year-old down by the hair and beating them for wetting their pants, and lightly slapping your out of control teenager on their shoulder after 25 minutes of her histrionics. Context matters.
Not that that excuses ever hitting a child, but if Debra were in California she would have a point. See Veronica G. ("The court ordered the child abuse report to be withdrawn or Gonzalez given another hearing in which the San Jose family's entire circumstances are considered and the spanking put into context with the parents' growing frustration with a recalcitrant daughter.") Not to mention, I don't see any assertion from Teen Duck Lips this happened at any other time other than this one incident when she was 16. One mistake made in a fit of massive frustration does not a bad parent make.
Recalcitrant Teen Duck Lips says when she gets this way it's because she's aggravated. Well, that's hardly Debra's fault she has such a short temper.
Debra says this all boils down to Teen Duck Lips just won't be quiet when Debra asks her to be quiet. LOL! Shut up shut up shut up shut uuuuup!!!
Debra says Teen Duck Lips has hit her too and even called the police on her. When Teen Duck Lips gets mad she gets honest, and admits yes, she did hit her mother, too. Ha! Got her right where we wanted her! How come Dr. Jenn never says it's an issue that Teen Duck Lips is violent with others, too? It's funny the way she coddles her, but it's also really disturbing too.
Teen Duck Lips is out of control now, claiming everyone in the family is angry and doesn't get along. Well, welcome to the American family, Teen Duck Lips. From Ordinary People to Flowers in the Attic to August: Osage County, we are a country with a long history of dysfunctional families. Oh well, it makes for better films. Now eat your fish!
Dr. Jenn is falling for this all hook line and sinker. She's clearly firmly in Teen Duck Lips's corner. She's been bamboozled by a bamboozler! Dr. Jenn says Debra doesn't grasp how painful this is for Teen Duck Lips. Debra says she does grasp it! Exactly what does Dr. Jenn think she needs to do to prove this I wonder? Dr. Jenn says Teen Duck Lips needs empathy and understanding. Debra says that's why she came here and that Dr. Jenn twists her words. I really feel for Debra's frustration here, even more than I thought I would. I think empathy and understanding are the last thing Teen Duck Lips needs and I think Debra knows that, but no one will listen. Countless people have shown this head case empathy and understanding and it does ... not .... help. I think if anything, Teen Duck Lips needs tough love, not more coddling and poor you crap. Even Duck Lips agrees with that, and she's quite the authority on head cases and on smelling rats. Apparently she also hates ballet flats. Even Jon weighed in, singing la-la-la-la-la-la, Smurf along with me. Yep, pretty much.
Debra is just scoffing at this point and saying her heart is broken over this. Sure it's all fun and games when Jon and Duck Lips make fun but she is her mother, I get it. She bursts into tears. Well I see where Teen Duck Lips gets her odd disappearing voice box issues. So such a thing is genetic.
Debra feels she cannot read Teen Duck Lips's mind or heart. That's because she is trying to read the heart of a sociopath, and there is nothing but a blank page to read there. Debra says she's at her wit's end not knowing what to do, does my child need more hugs, does she need me to talk to her more? I don't get it. Neither do we, Debra.
Wow. What Debra should read is We Need to Talk about Kevin. Because for as much as Debra is a nut herself, it is never easy raising a mentally disturbed child and the things she is saying here are indicative of a mother who has poured her heart and soul into raising a mentally disturbed child and is, as is inevitable, coming up empty, and not only that but is now being attacked for doing the best she could. That's rough.
Dr. Jenn says she needs to gain a deeper understanding of her daughter, that's all. I don't agree. I think Debra has tried her hardest to understand the fruit of her loins. The fact that no one else in the house can make heads or tails of Teen Duck Lips either simply proves Debra's point. Entertaining as she is, in all seriousness, there is something fundamentally wrong inside Teen Duck Lips's head. Everyone in the house saw it and doesn't even want to be around her vortex. Are they all wrong too? Most likely Teen Duck Lips is a true sociopath, and I'm certainly not the first say so, and I don't think any mother could have handled her much better.
Dr. Jenn says Teen Duck Lips needs to mourn that her mother will never be what she wants. Ouch. But, that's probably true. No mere mortal will ever be the mother that Teen Duck Lips wants, and it's high time she get over that. If we want to psychoanalyze things, I believe Teen Duck Lips has expectations for people in her life that no one could possibly fulfill. A perfect mother who understands her inside and out, a perfect love and boyfriend that promptly turns into a fairy tale marriage, a perfect set of friends who always love her and include her and treat her like a queen, and so on. She creates unreasonable expectations for everyone around her that no one could possibly live up to, and when they fail, as they can only do, she lashes out at them and blames them. She of course does not expect the same sort of perfection from herself--being a good daughter, girlfriend, mother, friend. It's really sick quite frankly and I'm shocked someone as experienced as Dr. Jenn doesn't see what's really going on here. I can only assume this must be some sort of Stockholm Syndrome.
As much as Dr. Jenn thinks Teen Duck Lips is the victim here I am just as firmly sympathetic to Debra in this mess. I wish she could stay in the house so Dr. Jenn could see that the housemates would probably like her.
Commercials. Hm, Hershey's spreads. Kinda looks like Nutella, but I bet it's not the same. Nothing is the same.
Dr. Jenn pulls Sada aside and praises her for really progressing in therapy. She encourages Sada to bring her dad out here to the house and Sada agrees. Sada says she is nervous about that and doesn't want to air their dirty laundry, but she trusts Dr. Jenn. As wrong as Dr. Jenn is about Teen Duck Lips, I think she is correct that Sada needs to talk to her father in person. Sada calls him and he agrees to come out.
Another fantastic song, Ohio's own Joshua Radin singing Like They Used To.
The soundtrack and time lapse photography are impressive for a little cable show like this. But shows like this are often how the real greats get started.
Sada is upset because Whitney went to go play pool instead of going with Sada to take a bath. Well, but Sada told her not to come with her. God, I hate when women do that, and so many of us are guilty of it. Oh no it's fine you don't have to do that, but I'm going to be mad at you when you don't. How did we become so damn passive aggressive? Whitney doesn't really understand what she did. Neither do I.
Whitney calls her out on sending mixed signals. Sada says anyone would have known she really needed Whitney to be with her right then. Again, but she told Whitney not to come with her! I don't know, some people actually want some space when something monumental happens, so I can't agree with that at all. Whitney said they've been trying to work on Sada better communicating her needs, right?
Sada says she feels she did communicate her needs. By telling Whitney not to come with her? This is so frustrating. Hoodies really are making a comeback at least judging by this show.
Coming up, Sada's dad shows up and he seems earnest enough. Oh cool, I recognize this guy form Teen Duck Lips's past, and although I can't really place him, whether he was just a friend or boyfriend or what, I do remember he was awesome and frequently called her out. And finally the episode where they destroy a house in a therapeutic exercise and Jon wasted his whole life, which he defines as ten years. Now eat your fish!
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NJGal 168 -- I have a cat like your bully. She has to be right next to me when I'm on the computer, and if she thinks I'm not delivering enough petting while I'm trying to type, she'll sit on my keyboard. So -- any and all typos and misspellings are her fault ;>) . Oh -- and she's not a paper shredder, but she loves to unroll TP and paper towels.
NJGal 168 -- I have a cat like your bully. She has to be right next to me when I'm on the computer, and if she thinks I'm not delivering enough petting while I'm trying to type, she'll sit on my keyboard. So -- any and all typos and misspellings are her fault ;>) . Oh -- and she's not a paper shredder, but she loves to unroll TP and paper towels.
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I have one who keeps closing the lid on my laptop. It's so annoying, but she's so darn cute that you can't get angry with her.
Hi Dwindle, Hi Dmasy! I'm not jumping up and down -- my knee hurts too much for that today -- but I'm waving hard!
And remember when we all put up a "Kate-ish" avatar? Mine was popcorn, as in 'come and git yers" There were brown leather couches, pools. good bras, high heels, etc.LOLOLOL.
I remember that, Formerly. Mine was a Keurig coffee maker.
Surprise involved in the contest? The winners get stale candy at the bottom of their book package like the kids get int heir popcorn? Well, there will be shrieks of delight I reckon.
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 · 5h
#BeKindGetSigned (copy of my cookbook Love Is In The Mix) List will b posted soon! Check here: http://www.kateplusmy8.com/ #HINT:SurpriseInvolved
"Soon" to Kate means whenever she gets around to it. The "Inspiration" tab on her website still says "coming soon" and the website is almost 2 1/2 years old!!
I hope the fan's who entered the not-a-contest aren't holding their breath waiting for Kate to announce the not-a-winners. Of course, they will keep visiting her website and give it more hits while looking for her announcement. Again, Kate is taunting the fans so that they will just have to keep going to her website. That's the most important thing to her.
BTW, you would think she'd change the post about her cookbook. The book has been out for almost 6 months, yet her website still says you can pre-order it.
How much lazier can Kate get, that she can't even bring her website up to date? She wants people to go visit her site, but most of everything there is old news. But then Kate is old news, too, so I guess it is fitting.
Maybe the "surprise" is that you not only get a signed cookbook, but you also get an autographed picture of her, the kids, Shoka and Zorro. Yay!!
As far as her naming names, she may just list the first name and last initial. She did that with some of the "Ask Kate" posts.f Since she never stated that the not-a-contest was limited to her twitter followers, she may have a not-a-winner who does not have a twitter account.
But since Kate makes up her own rules any way, and doesn't believe rules apply to her, who knows what she will do.
Hi Dwindle, Dmasy, Bitchy Pants and Frankie. Waving like crazy at y'all
OMG..Dwindle!!!!!!!
The sun IS shining...Marley..the man
Wow, so glad I am here for reunion week...I imagine my invite was lost in the mail...lol
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pink bitchy pants said... 7
Hi Dwindle, Dmasy, Bitchy Pants and Frankie. Waving like crazy at y'all
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Group hog!
The sun IS shining...Marley..the man
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Who is Marley? Jacob?
Bob Marley...our frankie is a Rasta girl.
Frankie, I hope it was OK to answer for you!
Dmasy, how very Milo of you! LOL! Just kidding!
Maybe the "surprise" is that you not only get a signed cookbook, but you also get an autographed picture of her, the kids, Shoka and Zorro. Yay!!
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The surprise is that you have to pay your own postage.
Oops. I guess that was kind of "Miloish" of me!
It feels like a reunion day here ... I let my enjoyment run away with me.
Maybe the "surprise" is that you not only get a signed cookbook, but you also get an autographed picture of her, the kids, Shoka and Zorro. Yay!!
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Maybe she'll throw in a piece of shredded paper compliments of Zorro. Her flock would go crazy over it. Double Yay!
One of the funniest and most fun blog events was when we all attended Joy's (or was it Admin's?) virtual party and brought or did something TFW related. That was a hoot. There were good bras and shopping carts and wooden spoons and thousands of Easter eggs and cupcakes and all manner of cleverness. If anyone can find a link to that topic in the archives, I would love to read it again.
PJ's momma said... 13
Dmasy, how very Milo of you! LOL! Just kidding!
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Ha, ha, ha! Love it!!
Reunion day!!
Warms my heart on this cold day. Winter is hanging on here with a couple clippers bringing really pretty snow.
Yesterday, literally looked like a snow globe!
Been reading, but typing sparingly due to slicing a finger today. I've got a huge bandage that my puppy is finding irresistible ;-(
So, the "winners" books are coming soon?
As my mom used to say, "so is Christmas"
Call me crazy -- who was it that spent most of that virtual party hunkered in a closet with a wine bottle?
"Jon Gosselin tears apart his ex-wife Kate Gosselin in the Thursday, Feb. 27 episode of VH1's Couples Therapy, in which he says, "She can go and f---ing die."
It begins with Gosselin revealing to his housemates that he's written a book about his life, "but I'm just afraid to publish it," he says. "It took me two years -- everything that happened, my side, my emotions," he continues.
(Back in August, Gosselin's ex-wife, 38, slapped him with a hefty lawsuit that claimed Jon had hacked into her phone and computer to access private information for the book, Kate Gosselin: How She Fooled the World. The charges were later dropped in November.)
As Gosselin tells his sympathetic housemates about the latest lawsuit, former Real Housewives of Beverly Hills star Taylor Armstrong and the others question Kate's motives. "Jon and Kate need to focus on eight," Armstrong says of the parents in a confessional. "That was my statement!" Gosselin tells his housemates of how he reacted to the lawsuit. "You hate me more than you love your children."
Read more: http://www.usmagazine.com/entertainment/news/jon-gosselin-slams-kate-gosselin-couples-therapy-video-2014262#ixzz2uTEKMEym
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Dmasy said... 20
Call me crazy -- who was it that spent most of that virtual party hunkered in a closet with a wine bottle?
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Ha, ha! I can't remember exactly, but it sounds suspiciously like Auntie! I'm not really sure, though, because I was the designated driver parked outside in the fire lane the whole time!
Kelly (188) "I watched the documentary you linked after work last night. I never would have found it on my own."
I'm glad you liked it, Kelly. Actually, the link I posted is only the second episode of a series in four parts "Servants: the true story of the life below stairs" that I watched during the summer on YT. But I can't find the other three episodes anymore. I can see they were available at one point, but they seem to be missing now.
Formerly Duped said... 172
lol, I was Once a Viewer back then because Goggle wouldn't cooperate.! I remember the old names...where is Pink? She was such a caring person.
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How about "No Regrets"?
Video clip of Jon ranting about Kate on CT:
http://www.usmagazine.com/entertainment/news/jon-gosselin-slams-kate-gosselin-couples-therapy-video-2014262
PatK said... 25
Video clip of Jon ranting about Kate on CT:
http://www.usmagazine.com/entertainment/news/jon-gosselin-slams-kate-gosselin-couples-therapy-video-2014262
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Wow.... how awful for Jon. Man, I think we have no idea how bad it really is.
Until Jon releases his book. I fully expect Kate to sue him, and I hope that Jon becomes the first to publish successfully, and let the world know how sick Kate is.
#dontsayididnntwarnyou
Kate does hate Jon more than she loves her kids, because first and foremost, she loves herself.
Without a doubt, Kate will spin this as doing it "for the kids", as she always does. I just cant stand that after all of her disgusting antics, that people actually buy it, and never challenge her on her utter audacity.
I haven't seen that clip yet, but my first thought is, at least Jon owns his feelings. Compare that with TFW, with her cheshire cat grin, giving advice on the Hallmark Channel about parenting after a divorce -- then snapping her fingers at her daughters to make sure they carry out her evil agenda on the Today Show.
People are responding negatively to Jon's rant and I get that. He really lets it rip,and that's his style.
But I feel many just don't get that Kate's overtures are just as nasty and destructive- only she's passive aggressive, using duplicity and guile.
Let's face it, her gender and looks work for her, and people have been buying her carefully crafted image for years.
Also, people tend to reject the notion that women, especially mothers, are evil.
Case in point- Casey Anthony.
As much as I support Jon, he really needs to be careful what he says about TFW while being interviewed, recorded etc. It makes her look like the victim which is something she thrives on but also for his kids' sake. I feel he has every right to vent but not on the record where his kids can find it when they're older (if not now).
For those who have dealt with NPD, is this something TFW would show the kids in order to further alienate them from him?
Well, Radar's got a scathing headline:
http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2014/02/jon-gosselin-says-kate-gosselin-can-die/
Hi all, I'm not new to this blog, but I am new to posting. I'm one of those longtime "lurkers." Usually I have nothing new to add because someone here usually says what I'm thinking anyway. At any rate, I'm grateful this blog exists!
I just finished watching "Being Farrah," and feel this is actually quite on topic due to the fact she and Kate share so many (narcissistic) traits, she's on Couples Therapy with John, and this blog is centered around the protection of children in media. Three BIG things stuck out to me:
1) When picking her daughter Sophia up from pre-school, the poor kid was tired and wanted to go home, especially because she knew her grandma was visiting. Sophia made it clear she was tired and wanted to go home, but she was made to wait (definite time unknown, but seemed significant enough) while cameras were fixed/set up in the car.
2) After (finally) arriving home, as Sophia was running around the house looking for her grandma, she flat out told the cameraperson to stop following her. Of course he or she did not.
3) While Sophia was having a nice moment drawing and practicing writing with her grandma, Farrah interrupted because she had just received a (I'm assuming free) package in the mail of handbags for her and Sophia. Farrah immediately wanted to model and tweet (as endorsement/payment) a picture of her and Sophia with the bags. Sophia did not want to stop her fun and take the picture. Farrah kept pushing until finally Sophia had a tantrum. She was then punished for her tantrum. All because she didn't want to interrupt her play and work for her mother.
It was disgusting and sad, but not too surprising.
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I fully expect Kate to sue him..
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For what this time? For having feelings and emotions that she decided she owned. I guess she's copyrighted those too. Or did Jon have to sign a confidentiality agreement?
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That was said at the height of the lawsuit when she was on a rampage. He snapped as any warm blooded human being might when their ex is trying to destroy them. Now that the law suit is dropped he can hopefully move on from that. The public is fickle and they forget how much they blasted Kate for that suit back around the same time.
YO! Hey y'all! It's me - FOTK - over here in the chair that leans back, I forget what the heck ya call it, by the piano singing "That's what friends are forrrr" Annoying as ever, but, as they say, I'm in the pink...wink, wink ;)
FlimsyFlamsy said... 28
''I haven't seen that clip yet, but my first thought is, at least Jon owns his feelings...''
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I just watched the tape, and it seemed to me that the CT people witnessed Jon's attempts to talk to his kids, and from hearing his side of the phone conversation got a real time glimpse into a small sample of what he deals with TCFW. How many times have we on this blog said that TCFW hates Jon more than she loves his children? They all seemed to be a bit surprised, but totally on his side when he ranted about her...bad words and all!! I suppose now we will be treated to endless comments moving on about how evil he is for smoking and all about Jon's foul mouth. I'm SO looking forward to all that. NOT!! !!!!!!
jbranck1980 said... 30
As much as I support Jon, he really needs to be careful what he says about TFW while being interviewed, recorded etc. It makes her look like the victim which is something she thrives on but also for his kids' sake. I feel he has every right to vent but not on the record where his kids can find it when they're older (if not now).
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I think Jon isn't/hasn't helped public opinion of him, and someday, if not now, he will have to apologize and explain to his kids.
Jon's emotions, motives and actions are put right out there.
Kate's are very insidious, but just as bad in my eyes. YEARS of throwing Jon under the bus, subtly, coyly, almost imperceptibly is just as bad.
Here's the big difference to me, and I'm willing to bet to any judge or guardian- Kate always has ulterior motives.
Want to know how Jon really feels? You won't be left guessing, inferring or reading between the lines of "code speak".
Jon and Kate are two sides of the same coin
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 31
That was said at the height of the lawsuit when she was on a rampage. He snapped as any warm blooded human being might when their ex is trying to destroy them. Now that the law suit is dropped he can hopefully move on from that. The public is fickle and they forget how much they blasted Kate for that suit back around the same time.
February 26, 2014 at 3:54 PM
Stop making up excuses for him. Here's a thought...maybe he shouldn't done the damn TV show at the "height of the lawsuit" when he was on edge. He is 100% responsible for his behavior. The bottom line is that eight children are going to hear the words he spoke about their mother and it really won't matter to them that he was a little stressed out at the time.
If he's really planning to file for custody, as opposed to just spouting off about it, then he is an IDIOT for ranting like that on national television. He just said it was HORRIBLE to raise eight children. What judge is going to turn around and hand him the kids?
I watched the clip- didn't Jon sat they only text? Isn't this about a phone call? Did he really say re:TFW "Eat sh*t and die?" That's extreme.His kids don't serve to hear that. As for 'the ones who want to live with him', sounds like some have taken a stance. This is so sad.
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Dmasy said... 20
Call me crazy -- who was it that spent most of that virtual party hunkered in a closet with a wine bottle?
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Ha, ha! I can't remember exactly, but it sounds suspiciously like Auntie! I'm not really sure, though, because I was the designated driver parked outside in the fire lane the whole time!
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'Tweren't I. I think it was Chef. I was stuck to the countertop the whole time cuz I wasn't wearing any unnerwares.
At least I think that was the same party.
Lila I'm not makings "excuses". I'm stating the fact. This was said at the height of the lawsuit. That's a fact. Whether that matters to you or not is up to you. I happen to agree with you, if he were this stressed about the suit maybe he shouldn't have gone on tv. Then again there were bills to pay for this suit that aren't going to get paid by magic.
MiChi said... 32
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Flight of the Kiwi said... 35
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Welcome MiChi! Glad you came out of lurkdom.
Hi Flight!!! I miss hearing your stories about your hubby's travels in that faux suede recliner!
Kiwi...it is a (whispering) recliner. You are fine. We will take care of you.
You have a lovely singing voice.
I didn't say anyone would crack. I said anyone MIGHT crack. Don't twist my words. I know for a fact people do have their limits, as I have represented many parental alienators. There is a breaking point and Jon reached that. I didn't say that is okay, or justified, or excused. I said it happens. Period.
MiChi said... 32
Glad you're posting!! I agree 100% with your observations on Being Farrah.
There is a breaking point and Jon reached that. I didn't say that is okay, or justified, or excused. I said it happens. Period.
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I can see the perfect storm that came to a head when Jon accepted CT and just said, "F*ck it".
Not that CT was a good idea- still not a fan, but I can see some rhyme and reason.
Admin's words have made me realize that you may not agree with smoking, cursing, sleeping around and wearing Ed Hardy, but that doesn't make anyone a bad parent, especially in the eyes of the courts- and the kids'.
jbranck1980 at 30: Unfortunately, yes. This'll provide more fuel for her narcissistic games, and provide still more fodder for her attempts at parental alienation. Public alienation, too, though that scarcely matters when the stakes are so high for the Gosselin 8.
Leave aside, for a moment, all discussion about who's the better parent. Set aside the reasons for this latest outburst. Were the roles reversed, I think people would excoriate TFW for saying things like this about the father of her children. Twelve ways from Sunday, it's just…wrong.
Hi MiChi, great comment. Around here you'll often notice that great minds think alike and tend to post about the same time. Doesn't matter. Great thoughts need to be stated in different ways sometimes or the sheeple won't understand. What am I saying? D'oh!
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Thanks for the warm welcome, y'all!! One more thing about "Being Farrah"--notice when she went out with "friends," one of them was the woman who frickin injected her with the Botox? It was so similar to when they had Deanna on Wife Swap and multiple other rent-a-friends for Kate. I would feel sorry for them if it wasn't their own fault for not having real friends.
As for Jon and his comments, I cringed. Like Admin said, he cracked. When you reach a boiling point, you boil over. I don't blame him. I've never wished death on Kate (and obviously, he doesn't either), but I've had some choice words about her and she's made me want to scream--and I don't have a trillionth of a fraction of the reason that Jon does! However, I wish those comments and that outburst were not for us to see, hear, or read about. Worse, it plays into exactly what poor, poor, poor oh-so-innocent Kate wants the general public to think about him.
Formerly Duped said... 38
''I watched the clip- didn't Jon sat they only text? Isn't this about a phone call? Did he really say re:TFW "Eat sh*t and die?" That's extreme....''
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Maybe when we watch CT, we will discover TCFW wasn't responding to his texts wanting to speak to his children, and that is why he was calling her?
''Eat shit and die'' doesn't sound extreme to me...maybe because years ago my attorney would refer to 'cease and desist' letters as telling me he was sending them a ''eat shit and die'' letter? To ME, it is just a 'saying', not anything to be taken literally.
I completely understand Jon cracking he just has a bigger stage to do it on.
It may not be the way I handled my "I've had it you pushed I am pushing back" but if someone had told me you are under a gag order for over 2 years while my ex could go on every show know to man bashing me I wouldn't have cared about the gag order.
I believe he is a really strong man who loves his children and tried hard to do what was best for them but she poked the bull one to many times. Those kids live this and one day will figure it all out for themselves my kids did :)
'Tweren't I. I think it was Chef. I was stuck to the countertop the whole time cuz I wasn't wearing any unnerwares.
At least I think that was the same party.
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Ha, ha, ha, ha! Stuck to the countertop! Oh, my! What a visual!!
Everyone put down the rumspringas and help load two-by-fours, nails and hammers into the recliner on the flatbed truck!! The sheeple pen needs reinforcing, stat! The frenzied head-butting is about to take it down!!!!!
I believe he is a really strong man who loves his children and tried hard to do what was best for them but she poked the bull one to many times. Those kids live this and one day will figure it all out for themselves my kids did :)
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I really can't imagine how hard it must be to have it dawn on you that you're little kidlets won't be jumping on your bed every morning, or you won't tuck them into bed every night.
I can't bear the thought of having joint custody of my dogs, let alone kids!
It must be torture at first.
While I dislike this kind of behavior, playing out negative relationships in the media, and on shows like CT, I also feel actions have consequences. What did Kate and TLC think would happen when they emasculated Jon with that divorce for ratings, followed by a 2 year gag order? Clearly TLC could care less, but Kate is getting it back in spades? Ignore custody agreements? Parade his daughters on national tv to talk about their father? Personally, I think it is far past time for her to eat a little s*#t. Unfortunately there are 8 children who are still being subjected to the war of the parents. Yet, all things considered, I still feel that their best chance of normalcy is with their father.
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I believe he is a really strong man who loves his children and tried hard to do what was best for them but she poked the bull one to many times. Those kids live this and one day will figure it all out for themselves my kids did :)
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I really can't imagine how hard it must be to have it dawn on you that you're little kidlets won't be jumping on your bed every morning, or you won't tuck them into bed every night.
I can't bear the thought of having joint custody of my dogs, let alone kids!
It must be torture at first.
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I don't disagree with Jon letting it all out, I just wish he showed more restraint in choosing his words, especially his adjectives! I can use expletives but I know when to leave them out of a conversation. For the life of me I cannot understand how Jon could show such good judgement when speaking to Wendy Williams and then let it all come out without any filters on CT knowing he is on television!
I get his frustration, I do, but he is savvy enough to know after years on television, that he would gain so much more credibility by simply thinking about the bigger picture before launching in to a rant.
Let's say he said this: "I was trapped in a situation with my ex-wife where fame trumped everything else and I had to get out of that to save myself and my children from exploitation. She hates me for ending our show, and does everything she can to alienate me from our children. It has been hard for me to get my side of things out into the open but I must do so to protect myself and my kids. She has taken every chance to throw me under the bus, has made a career of it actually, and now I have my chance to express how impossible it is dealing with her. My priority is my children, and if I have to go to court to protect my rights and theirs, Then, so be it."
His comments are out there, but I just wish his words were more carefully chosen.
I just finished reading the comments and Auntie Ann, I was going to post that you weren't in the closet; you were indeed stuck to the counter!!!
What warm and friendly memories of rumsprings, hogs, virtual parties, and Dwindle's description of this blog being like a party on Admin's veranda where everyone wanders from one group to another to hear what is going on. I think at the veranda party I was trying to get the stain out of my white shorts after I slid down a creekbed while "sploring" the woods with my grandsons!
Why do I think KKrazy is trying to get Jon to snap for CT cameras. She knows how to push his buttons and she is doing just that.
Jon should publish his book and say no more. I will buy it.
Context matters to me. Kate's attacks seem indiscriminate, with little explanation or justification ever provided other than she just hates the guy. Her own children struggled to do her bidding on the Today show, which just proved to me how much of this is imagined in her hateful heart.
She is differently situated, as she has proven herself to be an obsessed parental alienator from day one who will stop at nothing to come between her children and their father and bury Jon, and does not deserve the benefit of the doubt. What I saw in contrast from Jon was years of him trying to get along with her, even calling her a good mother, gushing about how great she was with the kids, trying to get her to go to therapy with him, putting up with the twins not seeing him, not saying anything negative for years and years, etc. He made an effort to play nice, she never did. Never.
Jon's attacks are contextually more logical. He is a man who has been repeatedly attacked by her legally, emotionally, and financially. You are free to see it as an excuse, I do not see it that way. I see it as contextual. There's a difference.
Dropping a bomb is not okay with me, but it sure makes a lot more sense when you are dropping a bomb in defense of previous and repeated attacks. That is different than just dropping bombs for the heck of it. Maybe there's no difference for others, and that's fine. That's your opinion. Agree to disagree. We're not going to go around and around about this again.
Let's say he said this: "I was trapped in a situation with my ex-wife where fame trumped everything else and I had to get out of that to save myself and my children from exploitation. She hates me for ending our show, and does everything she can to alienate me from our children. It has been hard for me to get my side of things out into the open but I must do so to protect myself and my kids. She has taken every chance to throw me under the bus, has made a career of it actually, and now I have my chance to express how impossible it is dealing with her. My priority is my children, and if I have to go to court to protect my rights and theirs, Then, so be it."
His comments are out there, but I just wish his words were more carefully chosen.
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Exactly. That's sort of how he spoke on Wendy Williams, when he was calm and the lawsuit was over, so he has it in him. I think he gets himself worked up when she agitates him, and then just lets it all spew out and has an "I don't care" attitude. There are ways to express his points without sounding out of control.
On another subject near and dear to my heart did anyone else see that Amy's Baking Company is cancelled for tomorrow? They say they will show the episode another day. What!
Then Amy made some cryptic statement suggesting that the network is bullying her or something and misrepresenting them, implying that the network needs to go back and re-edit. No response from the network that I saw.
LOL--the plot thickens.
Hmmm...the timing of TFW's not-a-contest conclusion is now seeming a bit suspicious. Here she is, this good-hearted single mom, promoting random acts of kindness on Twitter, tackling mountains of paperwork with nothing but a bird for assistance...while her crazy, hoodie-clad ex is shooting his mouth off again. Lordy bee!
I appreciate context, too. Thanks for explaining your point of view, admin. We can agree to disagree, but (and?) I always appreciate a reasoned discussion. :)
I really didnt think his rant was that bad. He'd apparently just gotten off a phone call with TFW and he was frustrated and he vented because everyone there was sympathetic to his plight. Sometimes your emotions just get the better of you. The sheeple, of course, are running wild with this and taking everything he said literally. To me, FOAD is just a figure of speech. But that's me. TFW has got to be shaking in her very expensive boots at the thought of Jon publishing a book to tell his side of the story. And when Jon said that every book she's written, her web site, her tweets all point to his kids, he was absolutely right. He nailed it when he said that she hates him more than she loves the kids. He was right when he said that she does it because she wants to be back on TV. And I agree with him, that's never going to bleeping happen. I don't think any network is going to want to get in the middle of this mess.
You know what Jon? Get a good ghost writer and do what the publishers and lawyers tell you to do. I'll buy the book.
And now that I'm done with my mini rant, it's good to take a walk down memory lane and see a lot of old posters resurface. We have had some virtual parties.
I get his frustration, I do, but he is savvy enough to know after years on television, that he would gain so much more credibility by simply thinking about the bigger picture before launching in to a rant.
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I get what you're saying and agree with not liking Jon's foul tirades. That said, I've come around to thinking that this "credibility" thing doesn't mean shit.
Credible to whom? The fickle public? Why should Jon care? Why should he waste his time and energy crafting some facade for appearances sake like Kate does.
I'm starting to think that authenticity, warts and all, is better than pulling the wool over people's eyes.
Ditto Empress. I am interested in how, why and when this war got started and reached this point. I like looking at the reasons, the context, the various steps along the way. Matching up statements made with the dates they were made on and looking at what was happening with the other party then. What I hear from some others is well war is bad is always bad will never not be bad so what is the point of discussing "reasons." That's fine, but I'm interested and I don't like more than anyone else being accused of being an excuse maker when I just want to analyze the war. Parental alienation is a big part of how I make a living down in our family law courts. I wouldn't be involved with such things if it wasn't something that both interested me and fascinated me.
Now I'm going to take a look back down memory lane when I dressed up as a cupcake for the Halloween party! I was cute!
Jon's attacks are contextually more logical
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There it is in a nutshell. Brilliant-thank you!
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 63
On another subject near and dear to my heart did anyone else see that Amy's Baking Company is cancelled for tomorrow? They say they will show the episode another day. What!
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What a hot mess!
I've never heard of such a thing!
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Flight of the Kiwi said... 35
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Formerly Duped said... 38
''I watched the clip- didn't Jon sat they only text? Isn't this about a phone call? Did he really say re:TFW "Eat sh*t and die?" That's extreme....''
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That's my opinion, Remona, and I meant extreme for the kids to hear ( and they will) That's not dealing with the problem, although I agree whatever the phone call was about drove Jon to this point. But he talks that way a lot- ok, not judging swearing, but he seems to be on the edge of breaking so often if we are to believe CT as his normal behavior.I have seen him speak rationally about his love for the kids and his actions, too. I am Team Jon as far as who the better parent is. I just don't agree that his letting himself lose control like this documented on TV will help the kids even if a fat pay check is the reward.Therapy should be private and he obviously needs it- Kate is a lost cause.
Jon mentioned not talking to his kids in 2 weeks. I wonder if Kate got wind that the kids had a babysitter on Jon's custody time, or she had them on his time, and said, "too bad", you surrendered your custody.
Credible to whom? The fickle public? Why should Jon care?
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Exactly. What does he care? I think he's only concerned about how Kate is reacting. She did not react positively to his Mr. Nice Guy. It actually seemed to make her worse, go figure. I suspect she responds more positively when he plays dirty and engages with her, since she only understands dirty and only understands things being hashed out in the media. She is totally the type to not comply with anything she is supposed to until you make actual threats to actually go to court or something similar. Next thing you know she's delivering all eight kids to your door early for the long weekend and promising never to deny visits again. If he feels he has to spar in the mud with her to accomplish anything then that's his decision. They are his children and this is his custody battle.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 62
''Exactly. That's sort of how he spoke on Wendy Williams, when he was calm and the lawsuit was over, so he has it in him. I think he gets himself worked up when she agitates him, and then just lets it all spew out and has an "I don't care" attitude. There are ways to express his points without sounding out of control.''
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Earlier you said ''Context matters to me''....and it does to me too. For me the difference is clear. As one who has a VERY potty mouth, I am still aware of where I am when I talk freely, and times when I carefully do not use those words. I may curse up a storm talking to my children or grown grandchildren, but NEVER use the words when my young great grandchildren are around.
I think the difference in the way Jon spoke when in a one on one interview with Wendy, the context was that he was in a calm place, interviewed by someone that was not confrontational, who obviously liked him. On CT, the context is that they are nearing the end of Couples Therapy, in an atmosphere of raw feelings, freely expressed for almost two weeks, building to the moment(s) we are going to see this Thursday. Jon was in a 'safe place' for him to open up and rant and rage and FINALLY allow himself to let go and let out all the anger he has been forced to stuff down for years. I say...get it out Jon! GO!
This guy needs anger management and professional counseling not this TV therapist play for the camera crap, wow.
He points a finger at Kate all the while being awful and saying awful and cruel things.
Jon, look in the mirror before you point that hypocritical finger of yours at Kate. Check your own behavior you choose to publicly display and your agenda/motives.
You think your children are proud of hearing their Father talk like this and act like this and masturbate on TV?
Nicole Gould @nicolergould 1h
@Kateplusmy8 have u been able to start reading my book yet? :)
Good lord, Nicole. Get a grip and give it up. It's been four months. She doesn't even have the darn book. Stop embarrassing yourself!
"Call me crazy -- who was it that spent most of that virtual party hunkered in a closet with a wine bottle?"
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Kate, Milo, and Lauren.
Admin, you were scrumptious in that costume!! LOL!
I think the difference in the way Jon spoke when in a one on one interview with Wendy, the context was that he was in a calm place, interviewed by someone that was not confrontational, who obviously liked him.
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Yes spot on. And on WW he could say with confidence that the lawsuit has been dropped. I think the audience clapped if I recall. He was able to joke that he should be working for the FBI if he had that kind of skills. During CT, he was smack dab in the middle of a lawsuit being dragged through the media and media and he had no idea what was going to happen--he didn't know if it would be thrown out. For all he knew Kate was prepared to take that all the way, and that he was going to be out hundreds of thousands of dollars and if he ever wants hope of being able to afford to battle her in family law again that would be out. For all he knew it was possible Kate would win her lawsuit, go back to family law court and tell them Jon stole and hacked her and is a danger to his children, and he would lose custody. The "what ifs" are a scary and emotional place to be. Then he adds in a reality show to that mess! And one about THERAPY no less where your emotions are spewed out for our entertainment. Hindsight is 20/20 and I think most of us and even Jon knew deep down this lawsuit was bogus and going nowhere--we called it a million times here I think we were even taking bets on what day she drops it. But I think deep down we also knew she had it in her to take it to the very end and that that was a very REAL possibility.
Once the lawsuit was squared away he calmed down. That's what I saw on CT too. His gut reaction is to explode. Once he takes a step back a bit, calms down and maybe talks to someone rational, he's fine.
Case in point the POF survey. Yes he was upset. Yes he threatened to call his manager. Then Dr. Jenn came over, sat down with him, told him it was going to be okay. Jon immediately calmed down, apologized, and was joking again. He never mentioned it again.
Jon never masturbated on TV.
The hell? No, there is no excuse for Jon wishing death upon his kids' mother on national tv. None. It's awful, will hurt the kids, and inexcusable.
Where's Aunt Jodi when you need her? Neither of the G's parents are capable of raising them.
Jon said he quit tv for his kids. Because he didn't want his divorce to play out on tv for them to see.
Ummmm.....Jon? You are allowing your post divorce relationship with your exwife PLAY OUT ON TV FOR THEM TO SEE.
Was the guy dropped on his head when he was a baby? His hypocrisy is incredible to me.
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It wasn't a safe place, though. It was on camera!! Jon's no stranger to reality tv and should know better.
Once he takes a step back a bit, calms down and maybe talks to someone rational, he's fine.
The thing is though, it's too late. The damage is done. He's only helping Kate win more public approval. What an idiot.
Agree to disagree. We're not going to go around and around about this again. 61
Thank you.
There are ways to express his points without sounding out of control. 62
There are forms of therapy that encourage exactly what Jon did. Most are not televised and I can't comment on their validity, but CT is "reality tv" so it fits.
No judgment from me - tfw's passive aggressive crap over the YEAR'S is far worse, Imo. Jmo.
Thanks for the trip down memory lane, peeps. Thoroughly enjoyed it.
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Admin, you were scrumptious in that costume!! LOL!
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Glad to see you back, LMG's and FOTKiwi!!
Admin, even your boyfriend whistled!
FOTKiwi, do you take requests? Dream Weaver by Gary Wright! lol
I just watched an old episode of Touched By An Angel called A House Divided. Maybe both Jon & TFW should look it up on YouTube, Net Flicks or where ever it is available and or and watch it.
Because it bears repeating, one of the greatest opinion pieces ever written about reality TV:
"Viewers want dirty, nasty, shameful reality television, whether it's in the form of dysfunctional families, ridiculous amounts of children or someone living in a pile of their own filth. Sure, there are good-natured shows like "Giuliana and Bill" and "Bethenny Ever After," but face it -- they're kind of boring when put up against table-flipping, drunken brawls and over-the-top drama for people to live through vicariously. But as we saw this week, it all comes with a cost."
http://www.cnn.com/2011/SHOWBIZ/TV/08/19/reality.tv.hess/
Didn't make it 'til March, but ta-da! The (28!!) #BeKindGetSigned winners are…
http://www.kateplusmy8.com/bekindgetsigned-list/
Oh, if Jon only said what Jumping In said. A lot of people are going to think bad about Jon for what he said. But we know what TCFW has put him through. At that time he was being sued for everything he had and he was justifiably angry about it. When he was on WW, he was calm, felt good because the lawsuit was dropped and all of the stress that was put on him at the time was because of the lawsuit.
But she dropped the lawsuit and he was better with all of the stress off him. It makes me sad that people will take that one sentence and GASP!!! not realizing what horrendous stress he was under at the time. TCFW must have ice water that flows through her veins. She has a several mile long list of horrible things that she has done to Jon, the kids, her family and friends and service people.
When I had a large plastic bag of my personal items stolen by a RN here, when I realized it, I started screaming and crying because it brought back all the pain (I didn't grieve at the time, I was in shock) and heartache when they came and got me from my apt. and sent me 4 hours away to a nursing home. I went out with the clothes on me and that is it. And I have never been back in 7 years. I went into fetal position and hardly ate and did this for 5 days. This has been a year ago. I filed a claim but the check is in the mail.
What I am trying to point out is that certain things can trigger blocked memories and throw you into a tailspin. Jon has to qualify for PTSD. Living with that woman is compared to putting on your fatigues and the grease under your eyes each day and going to battle on the front lines with her from sun up to sun down.
She may keep on winning battles, but I pray Jon, the kids, Shoka and Zorro will win the war.
Kate published the list of cookbook winners. Yawn.
Ha! I don't for a minute think there were "hundreds" of entries.
I bet 28 are all the people that entered. Now it's not-a-giveaway instead of not-a-contest.
So I stand corrected there are not 6 fans left there are 28!
She's right, how DO you pick 12 out of that. How do you judge one person helping a homeless man versus one helping hospital patients? They are both good deeds.
(Matthew 6:1-4) - "Beware of practicing your righteousness before men to be noticed by them; otherwise you have no reward with your Father who is in heaven. 2So when you give to the poor, do not sound a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, so that they may be honored by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full.
Up North Gal said... 81
''Jon said he quit tv for his kids. Because he didn't want his divorce to play out on tv for them to see.
Ummmm.....Jon? You are allowing your post divorce relationship with your exwife PLAY OUT ON TV FOR THEM TO SEE....''
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I'm sure you will correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember Jon saying that he wasn't going to allow his children to be on television when the divorce was happening. His children are NOT on CT with him as he deals with the post divorce relation with TCFW.
Midnight Oil said... 82
Remona said
''Jon was in a 'safe place' for him to open up and rant and rage and FINALLY allow himself to let go and let out all the anger he has been forced to stuff down for years''~~~~~
''It wasn't a safe place, though. It was on camera!! Jon's no stranger to reality tv and should know better.''
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CT on camera or not, WAS a 'safe place' for Jon. The CT was for couples and in context was the perfect safe place for him to finally let go all the anger.
Having said all that.....I'm moving on.
I respect the various points of view about Jon letting his thoughts known on CT, he is frustrated by being depicted as the bad guy, and is finally free to speak, to let it all out. I agree, it's not the public he should have concern for, they are fickle indeed, bombarded with celebrity news 24/7. The only people who count are his kids, and I don't think they should should hear their father wishing their mother dead. He obviously doesn't mean this literally, he just wants her to stop her unrelenting campaign to discredit him, and be allowed to have a healthy relationship with his children. He is simply tired of the lies, the manipulation, and is lashing out. However, his children (especially the sextuplets) cannot grasp the complexities of his words, nor the depth of his pain, and his kids are the only ones he should worry about understanding his words.
Yes Jumping in.
And food for thought. Kate may not have said it in public I wish Jon dead. (Lord knows what she's said in private) However, isn't she in effect saying this to her children every time she marginalizes and alienates Jon and forces the kids on TV to further marginalize and alienate him? Just because she's more conniving about her "wishing him dead" behavior doesn't mean it's okay.
In fact we have said many times here, When did Jon die? We say this because she acts like he is dead.
At least Jon is honest about sometimes wishing he just didn't have to deal with his ex's behavior anymore, which is the crux of what that means.
Jon and many of the other cast members have made it very clear they feel comfortable with Dr. Jenn and many of them have used the term they feel "safe."
We may not see that place as "safe" it is certainly not my idea of safe, but obviously Dr. Jenn and the producers have done a good job creating that idea. They feel how we feel and it's not really for us to tell them not to feel safe. They are grown adults.
I'm going to see if I can find Being Farrah on On Demand!
Funny only a few of the winners are from the south where we know Milo is from because she talks about being a southern gal.
They sound like teens to me. Babysitting? I can't imagine Milo's real name is Allison or Sidney, Sommer or Kelly. That's baby names circa 1991. Milos' real name is KELLY? I can't picture it.
So did Milo not enter the queen's contest? Maybe she had a contest in other ways just like the communicates in other ways?
If there WERE more entries than the 28 I'm pretty sure Milo didn't win. None of those people sound anything like Milo. Milo got stiffed by Katie!
I will believe there were more entries it when I see a bunch of sheeple tweeting that they didn't win.
@88888888 @88888888 @Kateplusmy8 Jon's made such a big deal of how he & Kate don't talk & only txt. Very surprisng there's suddenly a "convo" on CT
Dd anyone ever stop to think that Jon may have called one of the kids and got Kate instead? Oh by the way the results of the contest are up on her blog. The surprise is that they couldn't decide on only 12 so she's sending out 28.
Lily
Wouldn't that be really heartbreaking for a young fan, your "good deed" wasn't good enough for TFW, thanks for playing? Young teens are very impressionable and something like this could be crushing, they might think well forget it why bother volunteering. And what does that teach them about comparing your deed to another's deed, like it's a competition? (it was.) That's not right. A good deed is a good deed and you don't need TFW to tell you so or to compare yourself to 28 other "better" deeds.
I also don't like the idea that those poor kids had to wade through hundreds of entries over xmas vacation. That is not what xmas vacation is for. That is a job for your personal assistant, not your children.
The whole thing is so squirrely.
1. Kate can talk about the kids.
-she can tweet about them.
-Have a website about them.
-Write books about them.
-Use them on her new cookbook.
-Use them on the GM show.
-He doesn't talk to the kids for weeks or see them for weeks
-Kate files bs lawsuits.
Jon is right all though I wish her would've said Kate could f-off and die. People snapped he's and the public are tired of her crap.
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Up North Gal said... 86
The thing is though, it's too late. The damage is done. He's only helping Kate win more public approval. What an idiot.
No worries once Kate embarrassed the twins on national TV the public hates her again-(her own doing).
O.M.G!!!!!
Just clicked on Netflix and there's a HUGE banner for Breaking Bad...the new episodes (that were recently on TV.) I was worried maybe they wouldn't show up for months.
Bye...see ya...sometime. I hope I have the will power NOT to binge watch like last time. I reeeally have stuff to do around here. LOL
HAHAH didn't I say Lauren would win.
Remona - From one potty mouth to another, I agree with everything you've said.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 103
''....I also don't like the idea that those poor kids had to wade through hundreds of entries over xmas vacation. That is not what xmas vacation is for. That is a job for your personal assistant, not your children.''
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Admin, we only have the word of the lying liar who lies that there were ''hundreds of entries''. I think it is MUCH more likely that the 28 books were sent to the ONLY 28 people who entered the not a contest.
Before anybody gets their panties in a bunch about Jon's rant on CT, why don't you wait until the actual full segment is aired and see the rant in it's full context. We all know shows like to throw out dramatic teasers for upcoming episodes to get people to tune in. If it's as bad as you think, then take him to task. But at least wait until the episode is aired.
It's nice to see former posters posting again. With nice weather hopefully upon us soon, I think Joy needs to take us on another virtual tour.
For the life of me I cannot understand how Jon could show such good judgement when speaking to Wendy Williams and then let it all come out without any filters on CT knowing he is on television!
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There were several months between the taping of CT. We saw his state of mind in the Philly mag piece, which was completed on the day befor he left for cT. I am not going to weigh in on the pros and cons of his behavior. But , I just wish that he would ask himself this question before opening his mouth: " What is the potential harm if I do not say (or do> something. We can argue all day long about what will or will not happen as a result of TFW and Jon's complete nonsense. But, most of us do acknowledge that both of them have damaged their children, and robbed them of their childhoods. Sometimes the best thing to do is nothing--until there is clarity and a plan. Publish your book Jon, sue for custody, despise your ex. Just please think about your children before you shoot off your mouth on television or in an interview. It doesn't benefit them in any way.
Apparently, Kate doesn't know how to spell Indiana. Twice.
Now I'm going to stick a cigarette in my potty mouth and ponder that one, too.
This now seems to be an international not a contest. Canada and New Zeland? Hopefully she'll actually send out the books.
Yes, I completely agree that Jon has been through alot and put up with alot from TFW. Yes, he needs to be able to release his anger and it should be taken in context, as Admin said.
However, my opinion is that it should not be done on a reality TV show. That show is not really about helping the people; it's about ratings and that's why they chose the people that they did to be on it. If one really wants help, they get a counselor and do it in private. Yes, Jon is the better parent of the 2; yes, counseling is good for him; no, I don't think he is a bad person. However, this choice was bad, in my opinion. It's a reality show that can be forever google and/or seen on YouTube. His children do not need to hear or see these things from their father.
I had to go through counseling years ago, but I did it in private, let my feelings and words flow, BUT it wasn't on national television and my daughter never had to see or live with the outbursts or things that I said in those sessions.
Just my opinion and as always, we will have to agree to disagree.
chefsummer said... 106
HAHAH didn't I say Lauren would win.
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I don't think that's THE Lauren. Doesn't THE Lauren live in Australia?
One more thing (I promise!) about Jon saying all the things he is saying on Ct. My parents had a very contentious divorce in the early 70's (as a matter of fact, their whole marriage was awful as far back as I can remember).
My mother would tell anyone and everyone her side of the story every chance she got, including my friends the few times I would actually let them come to my house without running out the door to meet them first. It was embarassing. She put down my father all of the time. Although I had issues with my father, he did not make everything as public as my mother did. I only had to worry about my mother embarassing me, not my father.
As I got older, I really respected him for how he held his tongue when my mother was always making their problems public knowledge. Some of what she said about him was true, much of it was not. But I was never embarassed in front of my friends by my father; my mother was a different story. My father could have done what she did, but he chose not to. Because of his decisions, I only suffered 50% of the embarassment of my parents problems when it could have been worse.
My point is that the Gkids have to live with this embarassment from BOTH of their parents. It's televised, can be googled, watched on YouTube, etc. My gosh, I would have died (or wanted to) if my parents problems were made THAT public in the 70's. Two wrongs don't make a right, and Jon should have thought much more than he did before going on CT and airing all of this.
Okay, I'm done now.
I too don't think that what Jon said was very wise but I also don't think he meant for Kate to literally drop dead. I think this man is just so frustrated having to jump through hoops with her to be able to have a relationship with his kids. He is open and honest with his feelings to his detriment at times, unlike Kate who is so passive aggressive in everything she does concerning Jon. I think that with her debacle on the Today Show and Jon's appearance on CT Kate's chances of ever having any kind of career in television are slim to none. She is toxic and most networks know it.
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Call me crazy -- who was it that spent most of that virtual party hunkered in a closet with a wine bottle?
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Ha, ha! I can't remember exactly, but it sounds suspiciously like Auntie! I'm not really sure, though, because I was the designated driver parked outside in the fire lane the whole time!
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'Tweren't I. I think it was Chef. I was stuck to the countertop the whole time cuz I wasn't wearing any unnerwares.
At least I think that was the same party.
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I'm pretty sure it was Chef. I remember Chef's posts looked dyslexic. Sorry Chef if it wasn't you who's post I couldn't figure out. I'm not a rumspringa drinker but that party I needed to just to figure out what was being said. lol jk HEY ALL!!!
Thank you, lukebandit. How are you doing, hon?
A special hey to LoveMyGrandsons. I've missed ya. Your comments to me were always so kind. Thanks.
6. Yvonne (Wisconsin) – helped numerous people in need with seemingly small things, but she put smiles on many folks faces! Great work!
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What do seemingly small things look like? Photos please.
@MiloandJack: @Kateplusmy8 Despite the negativity of others..the abuse of speech by others...U continue 2b a ray of positivity in this world! Thank U! :)
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I am not going to say a word...not a word.
Lovemygrandsons....
Exactly.
Just what I said last week, for which I was flamed, blasted, and called a sheeple. Lol. I've been here for years and always use the same name.
Hi everyone! real life is really busy these days, I read when I get a chance. My favorite trip was when we all had to get across country to help admin with a legal tongue and Johnny Knoxville drove us in an El Camino limo, and we got to borrow Flight of the Kiwi's husbands patented brown faux suede lazyboy recliner time machine! Admin was kind enough to have the pool boys waiting with delightful beverages when we got there!
Where shall we go for next party? Its been a long winter, I want to celebrate spring getting here... Eventually...
I wonder which one of those special cookbook recipients is Milo?
Admin, if you do see "Being Farah" will you do a recap? Please, oh please, oh please.
At least Jon is honest about sometimes wishing he just didn't have to deal with his ex's behavior anymore, which is the crux of what that means.
Well, it's like Juan Pablo said (paraphrased) "I'd rather be honest and not appreciated than appreciated and not honest." LMAO (Juan Pablo is a walking contradiction, similar to Jon)
Seriously, there's just some shit you just do. not. say. ESPECIALLY in front of television cameras. Kate's probably hyped this video up to the kids and got them crying in fear that their 'dad wants to kill mom'. Wouldn't put it past her.
Thanks Jon, for giving her that ammunition.
We definitely need an end of winter party. It's been a dousey! Being Farrah reairs this weekend!
Remona Blue said... 77
I think the difference in the way Jon spoke when in a one on one interview with Wendy, the context was that he was in a calm place, interviewed by someone that was not confrontational, who obviously liked him. On CT, the context is that they are nearing the end of Couples Therapy, in an atmosphere of raw feelings, freely expressed for almost two weeks, building to the moment(s) we are going to see this Thursday. Jon was in a 'safe place' for him to open up and rant and rage and FINALLY allow himself to let go and let out all the anger he has been forced to stuff down for years. I say...get it out Jon! GO!
A "safe place?" Since when is a nationally televised trashy reality show that your children can view a "safe place" to let your emotions run free? And why has he been forced to "stuff down" all his anger for years? The man claimed to have spent 20K+ on therapy one year. Perhaps the place to let go of his anger was in the privacy of a real therapist's office, not on made-for-TV bogus therapy.
RIP, "The Dating Game's" Jim Lange. Here's blowing you a BIG kiss!
http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2014/02/27/dating-game-host-dies/5856679/
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 127
We definitely need an end of winter party. It's been a dousey! Being Farrah reairs this weekend!
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I'll second that with a hearty amen! There is no "end of winter" here. It's going to be like this going into Memorial Day. It's four degrees here this morning and tomorrow is supposed to be even colder. I don't want to even think about the long duration snow that's supposed to be coming next week. This HAS to end!
Connie said... 124
I wonder which one of those special cookbook recipients is Milo?
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I thought Milo's name is Heidi and her husband is Carl. Where did I get that from? Did Milo mention him one time?
Maybe one of those IS Milo and Kate just gave her an alias...you know, secret code between them.
I don't think that's THE Lauren. Doesn't THE Lauren live in Australia?
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I'm not sure. I think she's a bus driver because she talks about school, cold weather and school cancellations. Isn't it summer in Australia right now? For someone who lives in Australia, she really seems preoccupied with the US judicial system and court hearings.
"Apparently, Kate doesn't know how to spell Indiana. Twice.
Now I'm going to stick a cigarette in my potty mouth and ponder that one, too."
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I saw that, too and had to laugh. Guess she doesn't have spell checker.
njay I don't think it what's Chef I think it was probably franky. I enjoy her posts but it takes me a while to figure some of them out.
njay, good to talk here again. I hope things are going well for you, hon.
Mel, we seem to agree about the Jon & CT issue. I really wish that he and TFW would just keep their mouths shut when cameras are around and think more about how their children are going to feel about all of this stuff being on the web where even their friends can google it.
I know, I know, wishful thinking on my part.
PA Dutch Mom said... 131
I don't think that's THE Lauren. Doesn't THE Lauren live in Australia?
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I'm not sure. I think she's a bus driver because she talks about school, cold weather and school cancellations. Isn't it summer in Australia right now? For someone who lives in Australia, she really seems preoccupied with the US judicial system and court hearings.
"Apparently, Kate doesn't know how to spell Indiana. Twice.
Now I'm going to stick a cigarette in my potty mouth and ponder that one, too."
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THE Lauren live in Michigan. She has tweeted about the school district.
I think Milo is "Sidney" from Georgia.
Seriously?
Jon gets off the phone with Kate. He's pissed.
Liz asks "when's the last time you talked to your kids?"
Jon "Two weeks ago."
Liz "and that's like after 50 f-ing phone calls"
cue Jon blowing off steam.
This is not a case of simple parental alienation. It's a case of Kate not following the custody agreement, and a father who loves and cares deeply for his children and is being kept from them because of her.
I hope he is seriously taking this to court, because she needs to be held accountable.
I don't see Gladys from Georgia on that list! LOL!!
I am a from a generation where there is a defined line between private matters and what is spoken about publicly. Nowadays, with celebrity culture exploding and expanding in to reality-type shows we hear a lot of unfiltered conversations, with producer's saying (while salivating) "don't hold back, this is your chance".
I can't imagine Liz saying to Jon, "look, I know how much Kate drives you nuts, but just remember the kids are going to hear this you when you are asked about her, so choose your words carefully for them!" No, I see Liz as frustrated, knowing Kate has been controlling the media spin for so long, and happy to see Jon just let it rip. It's obvious she wants him to grow a pair, so she was not the person to remind him of the possible blow-back of his comments.
I have visions of Kate, head tilted, slightly smirky grin when asked on an entertainment show next week how she felt when her ex wished her dead on CT. Her response " I just remind my kids that the 9 of us are happy and doing great, and we just keep focusing on the important things". "We just keep looking forward to the opportunities they know I am working on for them, and that's all we can do". "I do my best to shelter them from the negative stuff, so we're good!" Shoulder shrug, with no follow-up question, and that's a wrap. Yep, that's Katespeak.
I am a from a generation where there is a defined line between private matters and what is spoken about publicly.
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I think in general we are more open than previous generations, and I think generally that has been good. A 13 year old should be able to say to their mom, hey can we talk about some questions I have about sex/periods/growing up without feeling like "We don't talk about such things."
However, it would be discussed in the privacy of your home--I really don't think people who go on reality T.V. are representative of the rest of society even our more open society. I still believe the number of people willing to go on a reality show is quite small in the grand scheme of things. There will always be that segment of society who is willing to plaster their drama publicly, and Jon is part of that group, but I just think it's the exception, not the rule. Just because people watch it as their guilty pleasure doesn't mean they have the slightest desire to air their dirty laundry too.
I don't think that's THE Lauren. Doesn't THE Lauren live in Australia?
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IDK I only see one crazy Lauren on KK's twitter line.
Jon "Two weeks ago."
Liz "and that's like after 50 f-ing phone calls"
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That's INSANE.
One of the worst cases of parental alienation I've ever seen.
I know parents who would be sitting in jail for contempt after ignoring 50 phone calls.
Jon should not have to make 50 phone calls just to speak to his own children. How would Kate feel if she had to make 50 phone calls to speak to them when they're with him?
Context. He explodes on her after making 50 phone calls just to speak to his own children. She IS an asshole. She IS a nightmare. And he said so. You know what? Heck maybe these kids need to hear that this is NOT okay with him. Maybe they need to hear she's being a nut job. Will they grow up and deny their ex's the same or will they grow up knowing this kind of behavior is psychotic and unacceptable? I hope the latter.
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chefsummer said... 106
HAHAH didn't I say Lauren would win.
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The fan who lives in Australia is Jacquie. She's pretty much moved on and mostly tweets with the BV crowd. She appears to have the hots for one of them and has pretty much left Kate in the dust.
cathy 518 said... 126
At least Jon is honest about sometimes wishing he just didn't have to deal with his ex's behavior anymore, which is the crux of what that means.
Well, it's like Juan Pablo said (paraphrased) "I'd rather be honest and not appreciated than appreciated and not honest." LMAO (Juan Pablo is a walking contradiction, similar to Jon)
Seriously, there's just some shit you just do. not. say. ESPECIALLY in front of television cameras. Kate's probably hyped this video up to the kids and got them crying in fear that their 'dad wants to kill mom'. Wouldn't put it past her.
Thanks Jon, for giving her that ammunition.
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I agree totally. When a narcissist puts someone in their crosshairs, and methodically and sadistically set out to destroy that person, the person can be driven to places they never thought they would go.
That being said, she's been doing this for almost five years. Baiting him to publicly fly off the handle so she can respond on her dumb blog or get the very seldom "setting the record straight" shot on Today or the View. Knowing how much mileage she gets from his public outbursts, one would think he would try to avoid them. I realize he was in the middle of the lawsuit, but I believe Mr. Tuma was already on board at that time and had called that garbage for the ridiculous bs that it was ("is it lies, libel or copyright infringement? Which is it? Ms. Gosselin cannot claim all three." To accomplish all three, my client must be a clairvoyant Trojan Horse." Heh heh.
If he wants to talk the talk, he has to walk the walk. Kate is the mother of his children. He has to show, by example, the kind of respect and consideration she has never shown him by being the better person, not by stooping to her level. And as always... see how this works sheeple? It's called objectivity, not blind ignorance and refusal to call a spade a spade.
If he wants to talk the talk, he has to walk the walk. Kate is the mother of his children. He has to show, by example, the kind of respect and consideration she has never shown him by being the better person, not by stooping to her level.
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I agree, and I think he did do that for about four years. But I think what happened is that Kate took his being the bigger person as free reign to stomp all over him. And with all due respect to their family law judge it doesn't sound like he has a clue how to handle an obsessed parental alienator or she would not have gotten this far. Many judges I know would have switched custody long ago by now, given full custody to the other parent and the other parent would probably have a case in dependency for emotional abuse. No judge here would have allowed a celebrity parent to parade their kids on the Today show like Kate did to trash their father. There would be absolute hell to pay. I don't know if it's because the judge is not used to high profile cases or not used to parental alienation on this level or has a more laid back approach to cases. Some family law judges have more of a "work it out" attitude but on cases like this one it simply CANNOT be worked out and they MUST get their hands dirty. I also know judges that just do not want to do that. They don't see their role as to micromanage. But this case NEEDS micromanaging.
I think everyone has a breaking point and Jon finally reached it when she filed that lawsuit. That was the last straw. That was his wake up call that Mr. Nice Guy, while admirable, has gotten him absolutely nowhere. Not that THIS will get him anywhere either.
I agree - Jon should not have to make 50 calls to talk to his kids and Kate is doing her best to keep them from him. However, he needs to take this custody issue to the courts, not to a reality TV show.
Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said... 142
PatK said... 114
chefsummer said... 106
HAHAH didn't I say Lauren would win.
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The fan who lives in Australia is Jacquie. She's pretty much moved on and mostly tweets with the BV crowd. She appears to have the hots for one of them and has pretty much left Kate in the dust.
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You summed up exactly what I have been wondering about. Besides Milo, are there any fans left who vehemently defend *Kate* and her *actions*? Maybe Goody still does. But even Goody seems more consumed with hating Jon than she does supporting Kate's exploitation of her children.
I don't follow twitter but it seems to me that most of the superfans have lost interest in Kate herself, they seem to only want to spar with the non fans and run with the BV crowd.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 144
If he wants to talk the talk, he has to walk the walk. Kate is the mother of his children. He has to show, by example, the kind of respect and consideration she has never shown him by being the better person, not by stooping to her level.
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I agree, and I think he did do that for about four years. But I think what happened is that Kate took his being the bigger person as free reign to stomp all over him
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I agree Jon should hold this tongue and stay the bigger person for the sake of his children.
However at the end of the day we're all human with emotions and We all have our breaking points.
It looked like Jon set down an almost empty glass of a mixed drink before he started on his tirade. I don't think alcohol is Jon's friend, as it makes him lose control of his mouth.
Hundreds of entries to Kate's contest? Most are not random acts of kindness, but volunteering , donating etc, which are great, but not what I thought she meant...she had to comment condescendingly on the kind acts- awesome, well-done, amazing, very nice!
Thanks Jon, for giving her that ammunition.
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All Jon has to do is say: "Look at the timeline of events. This show was filmed while I was in the middle of a law suit where TFW was suing me for millions. That particular day when she wouldn't let me talk to my kids I'd finally had enough. Yes, I said things that I shouldn't have but it was in the heat of the moment. I'm in a better place now and would never wish any ill will on the mother of my children."
TFW has been free to trash him anywhere and everywhere but no one seems to care about that. She knows that she has no television "career" without the kids because no one is interested in another bleached (teeth and hair), botoxed, implanted, closer to 40 than she'd like to admit, no talent woman from rural PA. If she'd been serious about a media "career" she should have put in the time for some type of lessons (diction a big one). She wants everything handed to her on that golden platter but she needs to realize that she's not the draw and apparently neither are the kids any more. Maybe she can be the traffic girl on a local radio station.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 144
I agree, and I think he did do that for about four years. But I think what happened is that Kate took his being the bigger person as free reign to stomp all over him. And with all due respect to their family law judge it doesn't sound like he has a clue how to handle an obsessed parental alienator or she would not have gotten this far.
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You're right. And it is easy to forget that he did remain almost totally silent for four years.
Pennsylvania is not known for having the most evolved family courts. Add to that Kate's unlimited money, it's a recipe for disaster. Kate is able to play chicken all day long, until the other person finally has to jump out of the way and say uncle. Like Sylvia LaFair, who won her case against Kate but wisely let it go after that because Kate would have appealed it for years.
Before the show was cancelled, didn't Kate look at the camera and sniffle that she did not understand why Jon had any say in the kid's lives? That statement from over two years ago should have been a big red flag to a judge. I can't help but think if Kate was an unknown single PA mother working at a convenience store, and alienating her kids from their father as the ex-reality star Kate has, she'd been thrown in jail by now. Money talks. Kate makes hers shriek with hatred and contempt.
I think THE Lauren is a bus driver for one of the school districts that she's talked about. She spends her down time tweeting and watching court TV.
OK...OT: Tonight Grey's Anatomy and Scandal return!! For Grey's: Are you #TeamMatthew or #TeamJesse?...LOL.
PA Dutch Mom said... 130
''I thought Milo's name is Heidi and her husband is Carl. Where did I get that from? Did Milo mention him one time?''
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I don't know where you got the Heidi/Carl from, but wherever it was, I got the same thing. Isn't it interesting the things that stick in your mind, and you've no idea how it got there?
A 13 year old should be able to say to their mom, hey can we talk about some questions I have about sex/periods/growing up without feeling like "We don't talk about such things." 139
They should also have their privacy respected and not.have such conversations(not to mention bra shopping excursions)- shared on twitter and their mother's blog.
That was his wake up call that Mr. Nice Guy, while admirable, has gotten him absolutely nowhere. Not that THIS will get him anywhere either.
He's in a tough spot. It's got to be incredibly frustrating to be him.
This is not a case of simple parental alienation. It's a case of Kate not following the custody agreement,
I don't understand at all why the judge is allowing this. She's giving him the big fu and he apparently just says, uh, ok. I wonder if he's thinking with his brain or is being star-struck by her pseudo-celebrity. I wonder how this would have played out if the judge had been a woman.
Heck maybe these kids need to hear that this is NOT okay with him.
True enough. Especially if he isn't allowed to have contact with him. How's he supposed to let them know that this isn't ok if he never gets to see them.
That being said, I still wish he had handled his frustrations differently on CT. Perfectly ok to be frustrated, and to express it. I just wish he had presented his other persona...the one of a nice guy, well-spoken, articulate, classy, emotionally mature. We know he's got it in him because we've seen it.
I don't understand at all why the judge is allowing this.
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Well I don't understand it but you bet I believe it. There are a lot of bad judges out there. And I'm not just talking about the extreme cases where they are actually corrupt. Remember a lot of these people got there because they can win elections, shmooze, and pony up to people making appointments. That doesn't necessarily takes a lot of brain power or common sense. That takes a hustler. Once they get on the bench there's not much check on them. These are bench trials not jury trials in family law. ONE person decides and if that one person doesn't "get" your side of things you're up a creek. You could try to paper them out, but that takes time. Plus if this is a pro mother judge Kate's take I'm sure is that she's perfectly happy with him so no one from that side is going to be throwing much paper around.
Family law is the cesspool of the criminal system. Many judges don't want to be there, they see it as beneath them. They want to be doing the big time stuff like trials. But it's often a foot in the door. For every excellent judge I've been in front of there are just as many bad ones. The stories I could tell. Rubber stamps, judges that are so deaf they can't hear you (how can you decide a case properly if you can't hear what the attorneys are saying?), judges dozing off, judges blaming attorneys and staff and everyone but themselves for not being able to manage their calendar, judges that put your client through hell because they decided 36 months ago they don't like them and nothing is going to change their minds.
The only way to stop it is to go to the court of appeal, which I have, and I've won there, but that takes 12 months or much more. It's a long time to wait for justice. We won an appeal once that pissed the judge off so much they couldn't even do the case when the appeal came back and make the orders they had to make as per the appeal. They called in another judge to do it. What a baby.
Family law is the cesspool of the criminal system
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I meant Family law is the cesspool of the COURT system. Family law cases are not criminal cases they are civil. Ironic! :)
I don't think it will be too much of a shock for the G8 to hear Jon speak the way he has about Kate on CT, if they see it. It may even validate some of the same thoughts and feelings they have about their mother.
So if Jon made "50 f&$%ing phone calls", do the kids even know Jon called? Do the kids think he hasn't called and that he doesn't care. I can totally see TCFW not allowing Jon to talk to the kids and if that is the case I understand his frustration. Again, wait until the episode airs and see Jon's rant in the context of the whole scene. I personally would not air my dirty laundry on TV but that's me. I don't watch this show but I will leave it up to Admin. to give us the low down in her recap.
He has taken numerous complaints about Kate to the courts. I do know that for a fact.
That's the problem, he has complained about her and gotten nowhere. I am sure Kate belly aches about Jon to the courts too. We know she did about the gun. I have a feeling that the judge might see the both of them as a bunch of whiners and belly achers who hate each other more than they love their kids and is loathe to do anything when they complain or get caught up in the vortex himself.
"Work it out!" is what I've heard so many times from judges who hate getting their hands dirty in this kind of detail.
You're up a creek with a "just work it out" judge. The problem is just work it out DOES NOT WORK in every situation and not this one for sure, but it's like pulling teeth to get a judge to understand that.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 141
''.....Context. He explodes on her after making 50 phone calls just to speak to his own children. She IS an asshole. She IS a nightmare. And he said so. You know what? Heck maybe these kids need to hear that this is NOT okay with him. Maybe they need to hear she's being a nut job. Will they grow up and deny their ex's the same or will they grow up knowing this kind of behavior is psychotic and unacceptable? I hope the latter.
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Thank you! As one that grew up in an abusive home, I have said before and I'll say it again: I would have given just about anything to know that someone cared! Considering the depth of her parental alienation, TCFW is probably telling Jon's children that he has not called them. Now that he has said it publicly, exposing her horrific behavior, I hope that she will realize that she really really needs to stop her nasty tricks!
Actually the judge's handling of the gun issue is a pretty big clue about where he stands. That demonstrated he is barely willing to get his hands dirty in this case.
As we understand it, Kate complained about Jon's gun. The judge didn't tell Jon to hang it up, or revoke his gun license, or never to have it around the children. All he said was whatever just get a lock box.
That's really not that big of a deal. If this were a judge willing to really get his hands dirty he wouldn't have given such a softball order to Jon. I don't think he is much willing to get into it on behalf of EITHER Kate and Jon, just do the bare minimum order and get out. You know Kate wanted him to confiscate the gun. He wouldn't.
F-the "respect and consideration" jazz...That witch deserves not one ounce of any of that. I'm surprised that's ALL he says. I can't imagine the frustration level this poor guy goes through on a daily basis. I wish a judge would straighten her ass out and stop letting her get away with this crap. Jons dumb....sorry but its true....Theres no way on this earth any intelligent person would sit still for this...and his girl friend is no Einstein either. Kate really takes full advantage of all of this. Is there anyone in that family that is playing with a full deck of cards?? Hes clueless and Kates a scammer....great combination..
If Jon does publish his own book, that is his right. It is his story, and I support anyone doing what they need to to heal from trauma. I hope that he focuses on his relationship with TFW, and leaves the kids out of it, as much as possible. IMO, waiting until they are all adults would be preferable, because so much of their childhoods have been publicly examined. Just look at how Mady was vilified when she was just 4 or 5 years old. People are crazy, and, hopefully, by the time they are 18, the G8 will be more able to deal with the public scrutiny.
JMO, of course.
Every custody order in PA has an attachment with standard rules including not badmouthing the other parent, no illegal drugs, and that the kids are to have reasonable phone access to the other parent. Two weeks wiithout phone contact is NOT reasonable.
I've had ups and downs with my ex. Recently he, my daughter and I went on a college visit and things are fine. In the past though, fueled by is wife, he has played games like TFW seems to and it IS infuriating. I still think Jon has a whole lot of flaws but he had every reason to get upset with TFW.
Thanks, chefsummer and Tweet-le De for setting me straight on Lauren. It's hard to keep some of these sheepies straight!
LMG,
So glad you are here--I know I will have many questions for you! My grandson is so adorable--when we are around him, we are all reduced to blithering, cooing idiots! I seriously don't think it safe to dry after seizing him. I can just see being pulled over, and being asked "Ma'am, have you been holding a baby recently? Please step out of the car." I am sure I would fail all the sobriety tests!
Thanks to you, to, localyocul (re: Lauren). Hadn't scrolled up far enough to see your post, too!
I should add that I don't think he should have said she should die. That's not right. If it was said in the heat of the moment (which it was) he should have apologized for it when he cooled down (maybe he did).
Now that's a headline on a entertainment site I would like to see - "Kate Gosselin keeps her ex from talking to kids for 2 weeks" . She is really the low of the low.
How long was Jon gone to film CT? Did he miss custody?
It really makes me wonder how many times the opposite has happened, the kids have tried to call HIM, and been denied the opportunity by Kate. All the paperwork she does is probably checking their iPhone call logs to make sure they're not sneaking texts and calls to him.
A kid can only put up with so much, just like an adult. She probably makes having a relationship with him miserable for them, so eventually they quit just to get her let up. I suspect that's exactly what happened to the twins. It just wasn't worth it anymore. How disgusting is parental alienation?
FYI the recap may be a little late this week because I'll be out of town. I have to drive up in that big rainstorm this weekend, which I'm nervous about. At higher elevations there could be snow. A rainstorm back east is treated differently out here. I'm focused on staying calm but alert!
After 50 unproductive phone calls on top of a bogus lawsuit that he probably could I'll afford at the time, it's understandable how frustrated Jon felt.
I had other things to say, but it's already been covered. :-) I guess my only other comment was that I hope he is moving forward with his family law attorneys and following up with the court. I think at this point, it's worth his time and money. Kate needs to learn that the children have two parents and they both need to learn to respect that.
Remember when Jon told Krazy to put a stick up her ****, and she almost had a heart attack?
Well, after Jon being on a "show", and saying ANYTHING bad about her, I an sure she is fuming....lol.
Jon gets show....Krazy gets ZERO.
Her latest actions must be intended to get back at Jon, denying him any access to his kids. Judge might need to intervene. imo
JON: get editor....and publish book.
So according to Kate, the not-a-contest had "hundreds" of entries, but she only awarded 28 cookbooks. We all know how Kate exaggerates. Don't forget, she also stated that they had "400 hundred million inches of snow".
I think she only received 28 entries, and decided to give everyone a cookbook.
After reading the descriptions of what each person did, I'm trying to picture what photos they submitted. One donated a Thanksgiving dinner. Since the not-a-contest was only announced a few days before Christmas, what did she submit? A picture of a turkey?
Ex Nurse, I am so happy for you! Grandchildren are the joys of our golden years. I know the feelings you're experiencing so very well. There is nothing like walking into a room and for the very first time hear "gamma!" and see chubby little arms reaching out to you wanting you to pick him up. It just melts your heart.
Okay, I'm gushing now so I'll stop. I think it's time to pull out my grandkids photo album.
I think what Jon said is a metaphor: eat sh1t & die. This is probably how Jon talks normally, or was raised in an area, where this is common talk or the people he hangs with with, talk this way. I do not take this as a death threat to Kate. People just have to look in other communities, other parts or cities, towns, what they refer to as underground communities, that have their own language. Kate has in a round about talk, wishing Jon dead. Yes, Kate can and does bring the worse out of people, especially Jon, cause she knows which buttons to push. And she pushes them. To Kate this is all a game. A sick twisted game, with un-willing players, her ex, kids,ex- family, ex-friends and anyone who crosses her path. Her game is to win, what she wants & desires, She does not care who gets dumped, hurt, sick, etc. Long as she wins & gets what she wants. What Jon said is nothing new, nothing shocking. If I just had a heated phone call with my ex, and we all know how difficult Kate makes everything, into a drama or chore, I too would probably be swearing up a storm too. So to blame or call Jon out for saying she should eat sh1t & die, I think I would have said something similar. People are going to take this out of context. JMO
I don't think Jon should have publicly mouthed off like he did about Kate, but I can understand why.
The sheeple, of course, are now vilifying him which was to be expected. Of course, Milo is using it to praise Kate:
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack · 7m
@Kateplusmy8 I've never once heard U or seen any interviews, TLC clips, etc. of U ever using profanity or vulgar words! U set the bar high!
That doesn't mean that Kate doesn't curse when she's not on camera. I still remember in the RV episode where she was packing the RV and hit her head. I really think she was about to say "shit" and caught herself, or it was edited out.
Then Milo comes up with this gem:
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack · 10m
@Kateplusmy8 Profanity laced speech over & over again by EX reveals a serious moral deficit, low self esteem & an inability 2communicate!
Milo has praised BV, called him a gentleman, and addressed him as "sir". Has she ever read his timeline, or those of his minions? I guess he also has a "serious moral deficit", but he can do no wrong, just like Kate.
She was giddy with glee when BV started outing people. He is her hero, and it doesn't matter that he uses profanity on twitter. But because he is Kate's and her hero, that doesn't matter to her.
But because Jon is the "villain", she's up in arms about it.
People are going to take this out of context. JMO
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That's why, and I understand how hard it is when dealing with an infuriating narc, but this is why he should have been very careful with what he said knowing he was being filmed. People WILL take things out of context. They already are. Instead of them seeing how difficult and ridiculous TFW is they are pointing the finger at him. I wish he had stayed the classy one and just let her be shown for what she is.
Those poo kids. I do like how in the clip Duck Lips said they need to cut it out they have 8 little ones in the middle.
ROFL.....the one with the "serious moral deficit" is MILO.
She/it/he.......is the one that continually and publicly defends a psycho, animal and child abuser, a liar and a thief that had NO REGARD for the health of her children by creating higher order multiples for her own self-aggrandizement.
Laughable MILO...really.....
PA Dutch Mom said... 130
Connie said... 124
I wonder which one of those special cookbook recipients is Milo?
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I thought Milo's name is Heidi and her husband is Carl. Where did I get that from? Did Milo mention him one time?
Maybe one of those IS Milo and Kate just gave her an alias...you know, secret code between them.
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I also remember reading that Milo was really named Heidi and her husband was Carl. And, IIRC, they were from Nashville, not Georgia. Someone posted an aerial view of their house, and the surroundings (woods, driveway making a circle in front of the house. etc) looked like the pictures she has posted. I don't rememer where I saw that, though.
That CJ is jumping on the bandwagon about cursing but she is BEST buds with that Capten O or whatever who has the mouth of a sewer. Also friendly with this person:
https://twitter.com/Appallopotomos
IT is vile, swearing, threatening and wishing death on a hater the other day on MILO's timeline. AND CJ tweets with it. Apparently IT is going to have a blogtalk radio podcast where "anything goes".
THEY ARE SUCH HYPOCRITES. At least I own it when Jon disappoints and don't make excuses for him. They are all ridiculous.
For those wanting to take a trip down memory lane, here is the thread where we took a virtual trip to Virginia and had a party courtesy of our virtual hostess Joy.
The party was to commemorate the one year anniversary of the cancellation of Kate plus 8.
Thanks again, Joy, for your hospitality and for your travelogue!
http://www.realitytvkids.com/2012/08/holy-rumspringa-oh-my-its-cancellation.html?commentPage=1
We also took a virtual road trip to California to visit Admin. and celebrate the one year anniversary of the final airing of the show. The discussion starts on this thread. See Joy's comment-#16.
http://www.realitytvkids.com/2012/09/kate-runs-in-y102s-yes-i-can-5k-in.html?commentPage=1
Then this is the thread posted on the anniversary, 9/12/12:
http://www.realitytvkids.com/2012/09/all-rise-court-is-now-in-session.html?commentPage=1
Kate is a twit said... 185
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Thanks! This exchange is perfect...I think i was away for this one, but enjoyed reading about the #superfun celebration.
'Dmasy said... 10
Oh, my!
JoyinVirginia, you are very organized. How do you do it all? You must have had a great deal of paperwork to get this together!
August 15, 2012 at 4:15 AM
JoyinVirginia said... 11
Dmasy, I have been master minding my lists for DAYS! Being so organized is making me exhausted ish dontcha know! OH My! I will need much rumspringa to recover! '
Kate is a twit said... 180
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack · 7m
@Kateplusmy8 I've never once heard U or seen any interviews, TLC clips, etc. of U ever using profanity or vulgar words! U set the bar high!
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack · 10m
@Kateplusmy8 Profanity laced speech over & over again by EX reveals a serious moral deficit, low self esteem & an inability 2communicate!
Milo has praised BV, called him a gentleman, and addressed him as "sir". Has she ever read his timeline, or those of his minions? I guess he also has a "serious moral deficit", but he can do no wrong, just like Kate.
She was giddy with glee when BV started outing people. He is her hero, and it doesn't matter that he uses profanity on twitter. But because he is Kate's and her hero, that doesn't matter to her.
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I read some tweets one time from BV supporters who pleaded with him to please watch his language and the terminology he used. They were offended.
Sigh. Milo, vile language is vile language, no matter whose mouth it comes from. Whether the profanity laced speech is being targeted at your lover girl, or if it is being targeted at lover girl's "enemies," you don't get to call one potty mouthed person "sir" and a "gentleman" for attacking the non-fans, but condemn Jon for using the same rhetoric. You're just as hypocritical as Kate and I'd love to see U do some 'splainin on just how that works.
The sheeple are acting like they are all saints and would never curse or associate with anyone that does. Milo should check out Emily's timeline. She has used the "F" and "S" words on twitter several times, as have several of Kate's other fans, including Paige.
I guess it only shows a "serious moral deficit" when it's directed at Queen Kate.
Jon may never reach a level of control over his emotions that would prevent him from making outbursts that could prove embarrassing. In my family, I'm the one who has the temper, which I lose from time to time. It's short lived, I blow my top, sometimes curse or otherwise act like a baby, and then it's over. I apologize for my over-the-top behavior and thankfully my family forgives and forgets.
When it comes to our children, I think ex's can really push those buttons and get us from zero to 60 in no time flat. Kate knows exactly how to best yank Jon's chain, and she got him to blow his top yet again and this time, it was caught on camera.
"Eat shit and die" is not a nice thing to say, but it's a phrase I recall hearing often during my high school and college years. It was usually said in a joking manner between guys when they were insulting each other; but also sometimes during a fight between two people. It was hurled as an insult, not as an actual death wish.
I hope Jon is working with his attorney to file for custody. I don't know if we would be aware of that paperwork if it gets filed. But I hope he is proceeding with that plan, rather than just talking about doing so.
I think Jon was under the influence of alcohol as well when he went off. Maybe we will see more of that conversation/rant tonight. He honestly sounds like an idiot a lot of the time. I don't care what context he said it, he can not say stuff like that about the mother of his kids, period! He could have made a stronger point without saying, eat shit and die.
SARA
NJGal51 said... 107
Remona - From one potty mouth to another, I agree with everything you've said.
February 26, 2014 at 7:37 PM
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Sign me up for the sisterhood of the traveling potty mouths ;-)
That CJ is jumping on the bandwagon about cursing but she is BEST buds with that Capten O or whatever who has the mouth of a sewer. Also friendly with this person:
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And Milo is best buds with BV. Kate calls him her hero. He has one of the foulest mouths out there. The obscenities that he tweets are beyond disgusting. There's a sheeple who reads here who also has a vile potty mouth. I also seem to remember another sheeple who couldn't decide which side of the fence she was on...went ghetto, aligned herself with BV and spewed forth words from the sewer. Then, of course, there's MsGoody and her vile mouth. Isn't she good Twitter friends with Milo?
I've never in my life seen such hypocrites.
This is probably how Jon talks normally, or was raised in an area, where this is common talk or the people he hangs with with, talk this way. I do not take this as a death threat to Kate. People just have to look in other communities, other parts or cities, towns, what they refer to as underground communities, that have their own language
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Nope. It's not common lingo around here, and Jon was raised in this area and not in an underground communities.
I really wish he'd tone down his language, though. If he wants to curse like that at home, fine, but let's clean it up a bit when you're making public statements.
FYI the recap may be a little late this week because I'll be out of town. I have to drive up in that big rainstorm this weekend, which I'm nervous about.
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I'll trade places with you! We're expecting yet another storm here from Sunday through Tuesday,. and then another one on Thursday. Sleet, ice, freezing rain, snow...all of the elements known to man. Looks like it'a coming from you. Thanks so much! We've been going through this since early January. I hate it.
You'll be fine. Be safe.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 99
Jon and many of the other cast members have made it very clear they feel comfortable with Dr. Jenn and many of them have used the term they feel "safe."
We may not see that place as "safe" it is certainly not my idea of safe, but obviously Dr. Jenn and the producers have done a good job creating that idea. They feel how we feel and it's not really for us to tell them not to feel safe. They are grown adults.
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I get that it's better to bash your ex in private sessions, but here's something to think about: What the hell were we expecting?
Jon is undergoing what can truly be said to be therapy- group, couple and individual.
Editing himself will get Jon nowhere if this process, filmed for rtv and all, is to help him accomplish anythingl. This is honest, real and organic as it pertains to the therapy process.
Jon would be wasting an opportunity to experience the pain, introspection, connections and support, among many other things, if he let himself and his behavior be dictated by the presence of cameras.
So, some may say, "why, oh why, would Jon sign up for this knowing how rtv works.
I say, rtv "celebs" and their vast experience and comfort level with cameras and crews afford a more honest look at the process.
Moreover, there is nowhere to hide, nowhere to run when you sign up for Couples Therapy.
You've crested the apex of the roller coaster, gravity takes over from there and does the rest- you are beyond the point of no return.
So, again, what were we expecting, really?
Submitted respectfully for some juicy morsels to chew on and marinate in ;-)
Uh oh....all 6 of Krazys fans are out in full force right now on twitter bashing Jon. She has no one. .and I mean NO ONE to defend her except for these few misfits. Its so pathetic I can barely go over to her twitter page without cringing. Did someone not inform Krazy that its over? ITS OVER.....FINALLY. YAYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can't believe the PA courts allow Kate to get away with all her nasty tricks especially against Jon. I wonder what the hell the lawyer he has is doing to cut Kate down in her tracks. Alienating him from their children and constantly taking pot shots in public against Jon. Are PA judges morons?
I don't know where you got the Heidi/Carl from, but wherever it was, I got the same thing. Isn't it interesting the things that stick in your mind, and you've no idea how it got there?
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I got it, too. A few of us couldn't have had the same dream. It came from somewhere! I particularly remember the "Carl" name because it was the name of one of my good friends who had passed away, and I remember thinking of him at the time when I "heard" (or whatever) that LOM's name was Carl. I also thought it was Georgia because I remember once that Milo had tweeted about a tornado warning and one touching down, and someone pulled up the weather alert map and the tornadoes were moving through Atlanta. Who know, though...could be anywhere in the "Deep South."
Somehow, though, I don't see Milo as a Heidi! :+)
Are PA judges morons?
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No. I know a few of them and they are most definitely not morons. I have no idea who he got saddled with.
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