When you compared stats of this web site to hers, we have much more traffic, posts, comments, and activity, and I could barely take the regulars here out to lunch once a month.
__________ No worries. As long as you could buy us a rumspringa (or two) we'll be happy campers.
(Leslie) The real truth is the only reason J&K Plus 8 blew up with close to 10 million viewers was because TLC did very heavy advertising Jon and Kate's pending separation/divorce. How sick is that. Yes prior to that many viewers tuned in to she the adorable tups. But they also tuned in to see how bitchy Kate was going to be to Jon. Jon and Kate's couch sessions also made interesting TV because she was such so unpredictable and mean.
Way after the tups grew out of their cuteness, people mainly tuned in to see a train wreck. Kate and her family are not popular because of any talent, skills, accomplishments, or even good personalities.
The Gosselins are famous and have a following due to Kate's ugly personality and the ugly way she treated her kids and her husband. And the public continued for a while to tune in because of the tabloids in 2009 bashing them and making them more popular than they should have been.
That is not something I would be proud. Had they pulled the plug before the last of season 5 like Jon said he wanted to, I doubt the Gosselins would be as well known as they are today. How nice to be know because you are such a bitch to your family and your kids. And because you let TLC film your separation and divorce.
I don't remember if it was the Oprah show or the article Jon did, both around the same time, where Jon was talking about how the kids were affected by being on the reality show. -------------------------------------
This may be the clip you're referring to of Jon on Oprah:
I think Kate wished the twins were identical. They might have had more selling power. She used to dressed them identically. I never saw the point in that. 190
It was because they are not identical. It was to indicate that they were sextuplets.
Berks Neighbor said... 185 I do want to add about the 'Monday' photo shoot. A lot of schools in PA take the Monday after Thanksgiving off as it is the first day of hunting season. It's rather a tradition here.
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The twins were off school the Monday after Thanksgiving. They didn't go back until Tuesday.
This is not one of the tups, and I'm surprised that Gymboree has no copyright set in place that would prohibit a blogger from lifting a photo from their website of a minor child and putting it on a blog.
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Copyright law doesn't mean you can never lift a single thing ever. There are lots of exceptions and it's not black and white. Lifting one little photo to discuss whether a minor child could be exploited, even though it was an honest mistake and that was not a Gosselin, is probably not going to cut it as a violation under copyright law.
Jon sounded very upset about something during that interview and many of us said so, and said it was like we were missing a piece of the puzzle.
I'm betting he just found out about People (don't say she didn't warn him) and was in a piss poor mood. Unfortunately for Jon he doesn't have the good sense to cancel an interview if he is having problems with his ex and kids, instead of just spouting off and doing stupid stuff like not using a real restroom. That interview was an F-it interview because he was very upset with Kate and didn't seem to give a crap what people thought anymore, and the consequence are it reflected poorly on him. Fortunately Kate in typical fashion brought the negative attention right back on her in short order.
I have a car ad....I don''t think the Gymboree model looks too much like any of the Gosselin girls except her side-parted hair and Asian features She looks just a little like a younger Mady or Alexis, maybe age 7 or so.She has her primary teeth still. All the G kids are too old for Gymboree now.
Berks Neighbor said... 185 I do want to add about the 'Monday' photo shoot. A lot of schools in PA take the Monday after Thanksgiving off as it is the first day of hunting season. It's rather a tradition here.
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Berks Neighbor, this past Thanksgiving was on the 28th, so the 25th was the Monday before Thanksgiving.
They had that whole week off, so Kate gets a tiny bit of credit for not pulling them out of school. But maybe Jon was pissed because it was his year to have them for Thanksgiving and he wanted the girls the whole week. Remember logically it was Jon's holiday this year, since they alternate and last year Kate posted Thanksgiving pics and this year she was notoriously quiet about it.
So yes, she did take them up to NYC, on a school day, before a long holiday. Guess then she had to hire the the not-a-nanny for the other children. The bird is the smokescreen. But then the kids went to their dad's house on the weekend and someone spilled the beans. No wonder Jon was so pissy in that interview. Unfortunately this is not over.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 1 ''Jon sounded very upset about something during that interview and many of us said so, and said it was like we were missing a piece of the puzzle.
I'm betting he just found out about People (don't say she didn't warn him) and was in a piss poor mood. Unfortunately for Jon he doesn't have the good sense to cancel an interview if he is having problems with his ex and kids, instead of just spouting off and doing stupid stuff like not using a real restroom....'' ~~~~~~~~~~~ A lot of us were taken aback by his obvious anger, crude remarks and crass behavior. I think that I even wondered if it was somehow 'in character' in keeping w/the behavior of people on Couples Therapy.
I think that it is probable that Jon was required to give the interview as promotion of Couples Therapy. Remember the photo complete w/credits that headed the article?
Maybe on that Monday she dumped the younger kids on Jon at the last minute and he had to move mountains to change his work schedule rather than leave them with a nanny.
Whatever it was, if past history is any indication she was not considerate to Jon and his feelings about this interview. It just all makes perfect sense now. It gave that interview some context. Not an excuse, but context.
She looks just a little like a younger Mady or Alexis, maybe age 7 or so.She has her primary teeth still. All the G kids are too old for Gymboree now.
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Gymboree goes up to size 12, so they're probably at the borderline right now. However, since the girls are on the petite side, I would think that they could still wear those sizes for another year.
Lifting one little photo to discuss whether a minor child could be exploited, even though it was an honest mistake and that was not a Gosselin, is probably not going to cut it as a violation under copyright law.
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Most likely not, although if I found out that my young daughter's photo was taken off the Gymboree ad and used on a Mommy blog, I'd be a little bit concerned about it because she signed on to model for Gymboree, not for a blog that we knew nothing about.
Yes, although I doubt the parents own the copyright. Gymboree does. It would be up to Gymboree to try to take them to court and I bet the sheeple have already alerted them and they're not going to bother to do anything. You have to think about things like this when you want your 6 year old to be a model for a national company.
" Can you believe I am STILL reading the stack of #BeKindGetSigned ("
Not only can we believe it, we called it! We said she wanted the fun of running a not-a-contest but when it came to the actual work of going through the entries we'll be waiting awhile.
They had that whole week off, so Kate gets a tiny bit of credit for not pulling them out of school.
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They had school the Monday and Tuesday before Thanksgiving (Nov. 25, 26). They had off Wednesday through Monday over Thanksgiving break and went back to school on Tuesday, Dec. 3.
They were young and did not realize, but Kate filled them in.
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Yes or they just recognized it for what many people did, dating, and thought nothing of it. You sometimes have to date several women, or men, until you find the person you want to be with long term. You don't necessarily find the person you want to be with forever at your first rodeo. I didn't. It's lucky if you can and good for you picking the right one the first time, but some of us are not that lucky.
They had school the Monday and Tuesday before Thanksgiving (Nov. 25, 26). They had off Wednesday through Monday over Thanksgiving break and went back to school on Tuesday, Dec. 3.
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Not according to the school calendar. They call it a Staff Development/Student Holiday day.
A lot of us were taken aback by his obvious anger, crude remarks and crass behavior. I think that I even wondered if it was somehow 'in character' in keeping w/the behavior of people on Couples Therapy.
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I think it was a long time coming, even before Oprah and the latest bad-boy interview.
In the roundtable interview he said "...I haven’t spoken in 4 years, so now I’m doing stuff and it is all coming out because I don’t care anymore."
It isn't any wonder he's fed up with Kate's assholeish behavior. She's batshit crazy and unfortunately she happens to be the mother of his children. It's a slippery slope for him because the more he pushes against her the more she'll do to piss him off. She'll use those kids as a shield and a weapon as long as she can. She's so bitter that he left, not her but the show, because there went her millions.
She would have been more than happy to carry on the Jon & Kate charade as long as the money was still rolling in. That's how much love that woman has inside her. It's all about money. That's ALL she talks about.
I don't want to link to it, but I'm looking at their actual school calendar for 2013-2014, week of Nov 25 is all off. A PDF file. It's right there in black, white and blue.
Guess one part of their web site is saying school, while another is saying no school. Odd. Although school web sites do sometimes post confusing things like this.
Mark Byron was in Divorce Corp. Read about Mark Byron's story. By all indications he is a good father, however he got really screwed in family law court after his wife made up some accusations against him and eventually he just said F-it I just don't care anymore. He posted a general, vague FB post about losing custody and all hell broke loose for him in court. The case got national attention.
I can't begin to understand what that's like and I suppose it's easy to lecture these men to get some self control, but Jon is certainly not the first otherwise good father to just feel like that's it I can't do it anymore I've had it with court, my ex and the whole situation.
I think men are coming from a different place too. Men are more focused on their pride in work and family than I think women are. Women tend to be more internally focused, pride is not as important to us, and don't take things as an insult to their womanhood like men take things as an insult to their manhood. I think that has something to do with the way so many of these men get so strung out and are so genuinely insulted by the family law courts making certain orders and are finally just saying SCREW IT!! Mark Byron reminded me so much of Jon in terms of his pent up frustration.
Paula said... 183 The constant talk about the girls clothing leads me to believe a clothing line is in the works for M&C. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Kate and the twins move to Cali to pursue their "careers
That thought i WAY out there..To have a teen clothing line, one has to have some type of fame and a following, a la Selena Gomez. These girls are not famous nor do they have any type of "following". They have not been on television for over 2 years and the viewing audience of Jon and Kate Plus 8 was hardly the teenage demographic
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Yes, my dd is 17. In middle school she followed the Hollister, Aero and Abercrombie (discount racks and Platos Closete) fashion. Now she's more into the edgy Urban Outfitters look. Neither she nor any of her friends idolize TFW. I have no idea where those teen fans of hers come from. They do like Friends and Full House reruns. J and K plus 8, no. Which reminds me, guess what came in the mail today? It's her People subscription so I'm leaving it on the table for her to read. I can't stomach to open it but I can't wait to hear what she has to say.
Marissa Meleske @Marissa11586 9m @Bethenny I think you were better off asking Kate Gosselin why her face no longer moves at all. Might have gotten a straight answer lmao
I imagine the girls were giddy with excitement. A trip to NYC, probably in a perk limo, hair, makeup, all the attention on them, no siblings invited. And it was probably an overnight too.
And here we here, boring real people, wondering why she was so quiet Thanksgiving week, no tweets about prepping for a holiday, nothing about setting tables for 'guests' or baking pies. Nope, Mumsy was in New York, so much more important than a family holiday. What family?
I was at Walmart today and they still had last week's issues of People on the racks. The new issue of InTouch with TFW was there. I skimmed it. Jon emphasizes throughout the article that Kate refuses to stop using the kids to stay relevant.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 2m @Kateplusmy8 @peoplemag I have 2ask..What do the "littles" think of their big Sistas being on the cover? Alexis gets 1st response 2Mady! LOL
Paula said... 183 The constant talk about the girls clothing leads me to believe a clothing line is in the works for M&C. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Kate and the twins move to Cali to pursue their "careers
That thought i WAY out there..To have a teen clothing line, one has to have some type of fame and a following, a la Selena Gomez. These girls are not famous nor do they have any type of "following". They have not been on television for over 2 years and the viewing audience of Jon and Kate Plus 8 was hardly the teenage demographic &&&
It is a way out there idea, but when has that ever stopped Kate? Irrelevancy is of no concern to her. No one wanted a cookbook of her gross recipes, either. They still don't.. lol.
Yes or they just recognized it for what many people did, dating, and thought nothing of it. You sometimes have to date several women, or men, until you find the person you want to be with long term. You don't necessarily find the person you want to be with forever at your first rodeo. --------------------------------------------------------
I'm not sure that kids going through the traumatic, vitriolic divorce of their parents would view it as simply as dating and playing the field. Especially when they have a mother who is all to eager to find fault with her ex and makes the kids a party to all of it for her benefit. Jon knew this about her and "dated", probably a lot, anyway.
@MiloandJack @Kateplusmy8 @peoplemag I have 2ask..What do the "littles" think of their big Sistas being on the cover? Alexis gets 1st response 2Mady! LOL
Unbelievable! What in the heck is wrong with her!?#! Do you think she actually thought this was funny?
I just now read an article about the facebook apology.
So if your former wife IS indeed an evil, vindictive woman, you have to shutup and put up with it? If the tables were turned would the judge have ordered HER to post an apology on her facebook page? Or would he be told to stop being such a wuss and get over it? It makes you wonder.
@Kateplusmy8: @MiloandJack @peoplemag ALWAYS does such a lovely accurate honest job--pics and articles. They are #topnotch & a breath of fresh air!;) ======== Until they don't. Do the die hard fans really believe this line of bullshit and can they not tell that the pictures are photoshopped/airbrushed? Poor deluded creatures. I hope that TFW remembers this statement especially when People turns on her because the twins get older and either give a real interview or do something stupid. There's a big shake up going on over there now so new management might not love her quite as much.
On 11/26 (Tuesday) Kate tweeted that Hannah was sick:
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 Today, Hannah spent a sick day at home(not contagious)&Zorro spent the day on her lap &shoulder, watching tv&keeping her company #birdielove
When was this photo shoot? The move-in-day for the bird was on 11/24, and she introduced him on 11/25, according to Twitter.
So if your former wife IS indeed an evil, vindictive woman, you have to shutup and put up with it? If the tables were turned would the judge have ordered HER to post an apology on her facebook page? Or would he be told to stop being such a wuss and get over it? It makes you wonder.
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Exactly. They call it a feminine stacked system. Kate has said how many countless evil things about Jon but no one ever told her to apologize or stripped her of custody. But this man posts one comment out of frustration on his closed FB account and gets threatened with jail or an apology.
Another thing is that you can't join parents' rights groups or protest or report judges or report attorneys or report it to the media or make a big fuss in any manner without it backfiring on you. Even if something terrible is happening to you you have to just take it. There is no free speech in family law court, just the opposite. Those who are quiet little minions are rewarded and hey if you want to do well in your case I advise people to lay low. The problem too is there are some unstable people being very vocal and irrational and speaking out, but the stable ones like Mark Byron who have legitimate concerns about the system tend to get lumped all in together with the crazies. I have no doubt that Jon's attorneys also told him to just lay low and he's just sick of it. You can only do that so long.
I'm not sure that kids going through the traumatic, vitriolic divorce of their parents would view it as simply as dating and playing the field.
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Well whatever they thought, they thought nothing of it at the time for whatever reason. It wasn't until later they suddenly changed their tunes (after Kate got to them.) And they weren't babies. Weren't they almost 10 years old? Not stupid. Maybe Jon did a good job making sure they had limited knowledge of what he was up to or made sure he didn't bring any friends into the picture they didn't love. Who knows.
My ex dated about 4 women after our divorce when my dd was 2 1/2. I thought nothing of it except he was dating...who cares? Isn't that normal...I thought nothing of it and neither did my dd. He did wind up remarrying when she was about 11. But she turned out to be a narcissist.
David Cassidy moved in with his celebrity stepmother in Beverly Hills when he was a teenager and acted and tried to get his music career started from a young age. While it's true he didn't become famous until the end of his teen years he was part of that whole lifestyle for ages before that.
Kids think nothing of a lot of things. We impose adult thinking on them and shape how they're supposed to think about things. We should trust their first instinct on things.
If a kid's natural reaction is to view dad making new friends as just fine , that just proves it is our own learned inhibitions and prejudices and perhaps jealousy from the ex that is imposing those reservations about a new girlfriend on the child, and is not organic from the kids themselves.
I think Kate cares about who Jon dates is because he has moved on and how dare he do so.
She said during her hallmark interview "I can't control what he does with his life" I think that piss her off that she can't control him or what he does anymore.
Does anyone remember when Jaden Smith did that interview with either Leno or Letterman, and he also came across as a spoiled and entitled smart ass. People were outraged over him too, couldn't believe the lip on that kid. I know he gets a few roles here and there, mostly on his dad's projects, but he is hardly the huge star that he could be. ***** I do remember reading about the interview and the remarks were pretty severely against him and his dad. Most people who commented seemed to feel that this kid only gets movie roles because his father buys them for him (and I tend to agree). He does not come across as likeable or even wanting to be liked. I saw him and his dad on the Graham Norton show awhile ago. Will Smith can still put on the charm, but his son doesn't have that same ability. Best part of the show was when the actor who played Carlton on Fresh Prince of Bel Air showed up and all three danced for a little bit.
As this economy stayed depressed and people continue to feel financially insecure, entitled rich kids will rarely find much of an audience.
If someone tells me to "enjoy it while it lasts" it suggests to me that what I have is temporary. Hearing that as a child, it would evoke insecurity and uncertainty. I feel Kate reminds her children every day that if she doesn't get the television show she deserves, then the life they enjoy will be gone.
Didnt TFW have a failed clothing line for kids whe. She was at the height of popularity. It didnt fly then and it won't fly now. She doesn't have that much of a following to make it successful. A couple of teens from Podunk PA will not be considered fashion gurus. Something like this would be about as successful as, say, TFW writing, publishing and selling, oh I don't know, a cookbook!
Nnnnnooooooooooooooooo. My oldest granddaughter (11 going on 12) loves that store. I get a headache every time I go in there. The. Colors. Are. So. Bright.
If I have to go in there and see cut-outs of the Gosselin twins and TFMJG (cause you know it would be a package deal) I won't be able to handle it.
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For you Millicent. Everybody sing!! It's not unusual . . . . . Come on Milo, louder!!
You might hear " I hope I am doing a good job" ... but in the quiet of the night, many moms sadly worry they are NOT doing a good job. ___________________________
Excellent point, meagler. I can't be the only mom who worries in the dead of nite.
And if Kate thinks they're still 'somewhat struggling', I'd like her to live my life for a day. Just one day.
Exactly. They call it a feminine stacked system. Kate has said how many countless evil things about Jon but no one ever told her to apologize or stripped her of custody. But this man posts one comment out of frustration on his closed FB account and gets threatened with jail or an apology.
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Yeah push them until they snap. There's a good idea.
I can see where it leaves a man with the fight or flight response. Leave and they leave their kids behind or stay and they take the abuse. Take the kids and run and find out what kind of trouble they face then.
I lived through the 70's womens's movement and I'm all for the rights of women, until it's to the point where we are doing to men what we so adamantly objected to. That is not what it's about but there are a lot of misdirected, misinformed younger women out there who think it's just fine to treat a man like he's less than a human being because he left the relationship. And if there are kids involved they're used as pawns. Kate is a perfect example of this.
In order for the sequence of Jon knowing about the People cover before that interview, he would have had to known of it before 11/1. The interview was done right before he left for CT, but not published until late December. He was stuck on the plane on 11/1. Therefore, his irritation and anger was probably about the lawsuit and the continual pimping on twitter. It is possible that he may have known, but that would mean that she gave him notice about it, or, maybe one of the kids told him.
Admin said.... It wasn't until later they suddenly changed their tunes (after Kate got to them.) And they weren't babies. Weren't they almost 10 years old? Not stupid. Maybe Jon did a good job making sure they had limited knowledge of what he was up to or made sure he didn't bring any friends into the picture they didn't love. Who knows. ------------- He may have done a good job at the time, but, 13 year old have more freedom than a 10 year old. Those headlines are out there for anyone to find, including the twins. It could be true that they didn't know when they were 10, but now that they know more about, they realize that it isn't normal. And, of course, TFW doesn't help anything with her flavor-of-the-month comments, but, to be fair, Jon was aware of the media attention he was receiving. This why people say he gets a pass--his behavior is always justified. One of the things I like about Jon is that he does seem to understand that his behavior was harmful. He has publicly apologized for it. So I don't see the value in minimizing his behavior. From that point of view, it will be very interesting to see whether his current behaviors mirror what we saw. If so, he will be confronted about it--as he should be.
There's some crazy stuff going on in the comments section of the people article. Some are giving details about an investigation that's going on...tfw involved with Twitter death threats and outing people. It's somewhat confusing but maybe this is the lawsuit Robert was referring to.
About that timeline: Why on earth did People post the photography session date on their front cover? Celebs get featured all the time, but I've never seen session dates posted alongside THEIR photos, have you? Makes me think it was important for someone (who?) to mark the timeframe somehow..
Interesting thoughts from People's managing editor Larry Hackett. This may explain why People has turned into more of a "National Enquirer" type publication lately. I think he's wrong as People's reputation has taken a big hit lately, but whatever.
Movie stars are no longer a sure thing for magazines anymore. “The era of the A-List movie star is over,” People managing editor Larry Hackett said at Advertising Week today. “I will confess, there were times in the ‘90s when we put people on the cover because they were huge stars, but the stories weren’t exactly scintillating. Now, the bar is higher. … People need a narrative arc.”.....Cagle said when choosing between two celebrities for EW, the star with the bigger social media footprint (read: more engaged fans ) will likely win."
NJGal51 said... 37 @Kateplusmy8: @MiloandJack @peoplemag ALWAYS does such a lovely accurate honest job--pics and articles. They are #topnotch & a breath of fresh air!;) ======== Until they don't. Do the die hard fans really believe this line of bullshit and can they not tell that the pictures are photoshopped/airbrushed? Poor deluded creatures. I hope that TFW remembers this statement especially when People turns on her because the twins get older and either give a real interview or do something stupid. There's a big shake up going on over there now so new management might not love her quite as much. ------------------ Reading backwards, so apologies if I missed prior posts. I guess my question is, IF Kate Coyne was personally involved with Jon at some point, and then rejected by him (and not happy with the outcome),how is this People interview objective X amount of years later?
Since TFW has chosen to allow her 13 year old minor children to give interviews on parenting/parents choices publicly (which involves Jon), seems to me this is indeed a Family Court issue that needs to be pursued by Jon. It is just WRONG on so many levels. Why is any 13 year old giving an interview unless they have some motivation and why would any parent allow that?
Also…anyone else think there's text and subtext in the segment about TFW being called "annoying" by M & C? Think about it: What example came to mind for the twins, of all possible choices? Kate's insistent mispronunciation of the word "expensive."
Vanessa at 59, I looked but don't see those comments on the People thread. If they were posted yesterday, maybe they've been removed?
Totally agree with you re: a clothing line. It would fail miserably. Kids outgrow Gymboree not in size maybe but in style before 4th grade, follow the Hollister route as you mentioned, then it's American Apparel, Urban Outfitter etc and designers if you're rich. Hopefully by the end of HS kids have their own style, a mish- mash of 'labels' for a look, not a brand. Target has some nice things in Juniors.. My dd has taken to checking out thrift stores, Salvation Army, etc with some great finds. No way would a M and C label fly IMO too.
Forgot to note that 4 years after the divorce, BOTH parents should have a say in filming/photographing/interviewing minors.
Not sure what these kids are getting the benefit of an impartial party ruling on the above issue, but it does need to be addressed. Jon has not been exemplary, granted, nor has Kate with this most recent interview, etc.. but that, IMO, does not mean that these kids do not need an advocate added to their Family Court order.
Intervention counseling should be required by Court for BOTH parents so they truly must put the kids first. Allowing 13 year olds to speak out on their parents 4 years later, is simply NOT an acceptable solution.
Did Kate make money to "support her kids" with this interview- not okay. Likewise with Jon using the "kids" to make money in the past.
They both need to move on with their lives, and leave the kids out of it. Enough already.
I am so sick of both of the parents. They need a private Family Court intervention re: their public statements, as well as TFW's most recent use of the twins for an interview. None of this is okay. And someone needs to stop both of them from their own egos, and parental alienation.
I know many "reality stars" want to keep things going, but they both are doing "their thing" at the expense of their kids. So wrong. They both need to get their own life which does not involve the kids.
Vanessa said... 59 There's some crazy stuff going on in the comments section of the people article. Some are giving details about an investigation that's going on...tfw involved with Twitter death threats and outing people. It's somewhat confusing but maybe this is the lawsuit Robert was referring to. ______________
It has nothing to do with a lawsuit Robert is referring to. It's the ravings of what I call a "hard core hater." While some of what's being said is partially true, things have been blown way out of proportion. Supposedly this person is meeting with the FBI Tuesday.
Thanks NJGal51 - Having trouble keeping up with the drama : )
Regardless, at this juncture, all of these kids have more than earned their right to privacy (media, twitter, Kate's site,) articles, Jon etc
Both parents are very selfish in my opinion, both should have established themselves without using the kids constantly to gain fame many years later.
TFW's recent choice to have the twins do a People interview - was Jon even aware of this- and didn't this require his consent with use of his 2 thirteen year olds?
Ms. Nelson resigned last year in part because she was troubled by a policy requiring the editorial staff to report to the business side.
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I think this is a very interesting comment. This could mean that instead of just focusing on doing stories that matter or on what is really news from the standpoint of a journalist with the education and experience to spot and then frame the newsworthy narratives, they are focused on the bottom line. So if Joe Blow from accounting says hey look this vile Gosselin woman helped our numbers go up, then Kate Coyne from the news desk might say well hmmm I want us to make money what kind of pathetic story can I scrounge up about this family about nothing?
To a casual observer it might make sense for the two to work together since this is a for profit endeavor. But journalistic ethics forbid it. We never talked to the business side. Ever. I'm not sure they were even housed in the same building. If they were, it was a part of the building I never went to. We would put out the best publication we knew how, and they would worry about the money side of things. It was up to them to make money out of what we gave them, not tell us how to change it. I never, ever, ever saw anyone from business ever say.....hey we sold a bunch of extra issues when you profiled that person....hint hint.
If a story was newsworthy it would go in the publication, regardless whether it made us two bucks or a million bucks.
I can't be the only one who has completely lost any interest whatsoever in all the whining about lawsuits. To take a page from Joy, my god is it ever BORING.
People is part of the Time, Inc stable owned by Time Warner. Time Warner is spinning off its publication business due to ever decreasing print publications. It will be intereting to see how many, if any, of these print publications are around in 5 to 10 years. People, more than other publication, relies on its newsstand sales. Oooppssss...
I thought this was one of the best comments on the people site.
How sad that she allowed her 13 year olds to be interviewed. Many celebrities are scrambling to help shield their children from paparazzi and protect their privacy by speaking out for tougher laws -- Kate Gosselin willingly throws her children in front of the camera every chance she gets. Does she not realize (or care) that her daughters will be "fair game" for every reader to pick apart, criticize, insult or worse?
I agree, Admin. It's been going on for close to a year-threats, screen shots, subpoenas, calling police. And Kate's Twitter is still full of non-fans comments. Bully and the bois are still around. Same old story, different day.
Yes my daughter lives theft stores and yes by Junior year they have their own sense of style. She wants Urban Outfitters when it's Christmas but Target and Salvation Army when it's her dime.
PS if you are goin to dye dark brown hair platinum blonde you're going to have to touch up you're roots a lot. You think someone would have done so before a national news photo shoot
t has nothing to do with a lawsuit Robert is referring to. It's the ravings of what I call a "hard core hater." While some of what's being said is partially true, things have been blown way out of proportion. Supposedly this person is meeting with the FBI Tuesday.
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The ones who live on there and invent "facts," exaggerate. and tweet things that you know aren't just true? What does the FBI have to do in all of that? I can't keep up with the drama!
Jon was aware of the media attention he was receiving. This why people say he gets a pass--his behavior is always justified.
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@thelovelyyone: Jon gosselin is on Couples Therapy on thursday and he says something about @Kateplusmy8. I swear he will do anything to keep his fame going
@ljohnson2006: I bet the girls asked that their mom be on the @peoplemag cover with them bc she plays a big role in their lives. @Kateplusmy8 is a gr8 mom
LOL to both of these tweets! If you were this dense, would you tweet and prove it?
Lauren @ljohnson2006 40m I bet the girls asked that their mom be on the @peoplemag cover with them bc she plays a big role in their lives. @Kateplusmy8 is a gr8 mom
Lauren @ljohnson2006 44m Don't people realize that tabloids print lies to make $? Don't take what they say about #kateplusmy8 and her family with a grain of salt.
So if it's not taken with a grain of salt, then it's to be believed? :)
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 3m @MiloandJack @peoplemag ALWAYS does such a lovely accurate honest job--pics and articles. They are #topnotch & a breath of fresh air!;) ____ Bookmark this page. Even People Mag won't be able to keep up the positive stories about Kate forever. We will see if they are still accurate and honest when that happens, or if they will turn into one of those dishonest rags overnight. ******************* Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 72 I can't be the only one who has completely lost any interest whatsoever in all the whining about lawsuits. To take a page from Joy, my god is it ever BORING. ________ Can I get an AMEN?!
"Vanessa at 59, I looked but don't see those comments on the People thread. If they were posted yesterday, maybe they've been removed?"
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The BV/hacking/investigation posts are in the comment section on the People website. They are still there. What a convoluted mess. I'm surprised they haven't removed them.
I can't be the only one who has completely lost any interest whatsoever in all the whining about lawsuits. To take a page from Joy, my god is it ever BORING. ***** No, you're not alone :) With all the baloney that floats around about this woman or supposed lawsuits, I continue to stick to my "I'll believe it when I see credible proof of it" approach.
If and when another lawsuit is filed, I'm sure it will be quickly discovered with a link posted here. Until then, it's all so much punk talk to me.
Watching the new show on Food TV called "The Kitchen". They are starting a Cookbook Club where each week they bring on an author of a cookbook to talk and promote their book and recipes. Do you think Kate will be invited? LOL.
To a casual observer it might make sense for the two to work together since this is a for profit endeavor. But journalistic ethics forbid it. We never talked to the business side. Ever.
I agree Admin. Interestingly, Dan Rather was on Bravo's WWHL this week and when asked about network news today he said that the lines between journalism and entertainment are terribly blurred these days which I totally agree with. It's all about attracting readers and viewers to generate revenue -- $$$$$.
LOL How ironic that the twitter ad bot headlines say "Kate Gosselin Pimps Out Her Kids To Maintain Expensive Lifestyle Claims Jon Gosselin" at the same time People has her and the twins plastered on their cover -- for which she made plenty of money to maintain her expensive lifestyle!
Greedy Gosselinns 55: I have heard those who worry about whether they are doing a good job parenting are likely very conscientious and doing a great job!
Those who are confident they are doing a great job....well the opposite could be true.
However that said..... kids can grow up to be awesome adults with awful parenting, and awful adults with awesome parenting.
So, I guess we just need to make sure the worrying doesnt consume us ;)
Totally agree. I thing TFW looks awful on the People cover. On the InTouch cover her hair has fullness as well as her face. You can see on the People cover how much weight she has lost with how thin her face is. Plus the long, straight stringy hair style doesn't help. Guess People magazine didn't comp for a hair stylist.
My apologies to Kate Coyne, since it was Kate Major who did the interview.
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Too many Kates. Kate Major is the one who was employed by a tabloid several years ago, and was rumored to have been involved with Jon. She since has had a child with Michael Lohan.
Kate Coyne is the one who did the People interview with Kate and the twins. She has not (at least not to my knowledge) ever been romantically linked with Jon. Kate, maybe, but not Jon!
I agree, Admin. It's been going on for close to a year-threats, screen shots, subpoenas, calling police. And Kate's Twitter is still full of non-fans comments. Bully and the bois are still around. Same old story, different day.
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Who is being sued this time around? The latest subpoena was issued to whom, and why is the cruise vetter's name on it? Is this a suit apart from the one that was allegedly filed on behalf of those on Twitter (and the other blog) who were damaged somehow by the haters? Is there no end to this?
Speaking of non-fans comments. I checked a timeline. I see the same few names there on a daily and nightly basis. In a 24-hour period, one of them was absent for six hours. The rest of the time was spent on Twitter. If this isn't an addiction or obsession, it certainly comes close. Who does this...and why?
I just read in our local online news that the average salary in LancCo for registered nurses is $30.62 an hour. Based on a forty hour work week, then, her monthly salary would be $4,899.20. Is she interested?
Guess she made out much better in that cover photo/interview. As long as she doesn't have to work, why would she? The Phoenix will keep rising, and something new will come along. Until then, I guess it's just back to piecin and patchin and/or moderately strugglin.
Can you believe I am STILL reading the stack of #BeKindGetSigned ("
Not only can we believe it, we called it! We said she wanted the fun of running a not-a-contest but when it came to the actual work of going through the entries we'll be waiting awhile. ***** My MIl had and has been recovering from open heart surgery in the time that Kate can't manage to read a handful of stories. Pa-fucking-thetic.
Suzy Cincinnati said... This why people say he gets a pass--his behavior is always justified. ----- That was really unclear--I think I didn't paste my whole comment. Most of my comments aren't publishing for some reason, is I am not always sure if I am reporting or not.
Anyway, my comment was about why some people think Jon gets a pass. I thought this was a good example of it: the many comments that the twins either didn't notice or think much of them because it was relatively important that he dates a string (yes, it was a string!) of young women, even before the divorce was finalized. Assumptions were made that the twins only decided it wasn't normal because Kate told them that. I was saying that it was possible that they were unaware at age 10, but now, because they are teens and have access to the internet, that they only became aware of his girlfriends recently. And, since they live in Paa, and not LA, and their friends parents are not celebs, they now realize that this is not normal. Whatever Kate did, Jon did do those things with full knowledge that his activities were being reported and that his children would one day read them. He has accepted that he is responsible for harming them, and publicly apologized to them. So why do people here continue to insist that his acting out publicly was OK, and that TFW must have made a big deal of it to them? This is why I think people still say that Jon gets a pass. It's fine if people don't think it is harmful, but you will have a very hard time getting any professional therapist to say that it was not. The twins were approaching puberty at age 10, which is a very vulnerable time in their physical and emotional development and their ability to develop trusting romantic relationships will certainly be impacted--IMO of course. Anyone is free to disagree, but I am speaking from professional experience in working with adolescents and their families on an inpatient psych ward. These kids were suicidal, depressed, addicted and/or had eating disorders that were serious enough to require hospitalization.
I, too, believe TFW would have kept up the charade of a marriage until the end of time to keep the money train rolling down the track. Not a good or healthy way to live and apparently, Jon had enough and is still being blamed for the family losing their millionaire lifestyle.
TFW wants total control of her little money makers. She needed Jon for a while, but his usefulness was short-lived and we all know what I'm talking about. Those kids were born out of TFW's gigantic ego.
We are all smart enough to know that Jon has figured all of this out. Who wouldn't be angry? Some of the children will realize it, too. Sad for them. Someday they might begin to wonder where all of their friends and relatives went. Looks like no one has stayed around too long. This is truly a horrible story. Don't need to read anyone's book, just review the tapes and the stories that appeared in the local paper. Not flattering at all. Of course, any normal person would still be suffering the embarrassment of being publicly fired by the coupon website! Please note the use of the word "normal."
One thing I noticed in the 2014 People book was that 3 girls have braces and zero boys have them, and all of their teeth are terribly misaligned. Hmmmm....
Speaking of non-fans comments. I checked a timeline. I see the same few names there on a daily and nightly basis. In a 24-hour period, one of them was absent for six hours. The rest of the time was spent on Twitter. If this isn't an addiction or obsession, it certainly comes close. Who does this...and why?
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The fans, also, spend multiple, consecutive hours online immersing themselves in the same stuff the non- fans do. Alleged or pretend lawsuits and subpoenas ( who knows what's true!) are threatened by the fans continually and while it may not be BV doing the tweeting these days, his "employees" do so. Much of it plays off of Twitter and off Kate's timeline. Apparently the detective who's so defective had lunch or dinner with one of BV's pals and wrote about it on her blog. Can we say giddy - like a 15 year old asked to the prom. Both sides continue to threaten but, like Admin and others have said, until these lawsuits etc see the light of day, it's simply a case of let's see who can the most rise out of the most people.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 74 I can't be the only one who has completely lost any interest whatsoever in all the whining about lawsuits. To take a page from Joy, my god is it ever BORING.
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I wish I had a nickel for every time someone in this mess mentioned a lawsuit/criminal charges. Oy Vey!
Ex Nurse -- I don't see anyone here saying Jon's behavior was OK. Understandable, yes. Expectable, maybe. Ok, no. There's a HUGE difference between understanding the causes of and reasons for behavior and condoning that behavior.
"One thing I noticed in the 2014 People book was that 3 girls have braces and zero boys have them, and all of their teeth are terribly misaligned. Hmmmm.... "
Tucker's Mom, I've been wondering the same thing for awhile. The kids who do wear braces are the older twins, and Hannah. It looks like all the boys could use orthodontia.
Ex-Nurse, I agree that most of us do not excuse Jon's behavior, but we are less involved emotionally than you seem to be. He is also not the parent who is marketing his children for profit, nor is he the parent who bad mouths the other parent, well as far as we know. They are both immature, and clearly flawed, but he is not the parent with the issues that are crying out for intervention by trained medical professionals IMO. I find discussing JG ad nauseum as tiring as the speculation about lawsuits. Of course, all this could change when he and Liz are finally seen and heard on that show we all wish he had not done.
I do think all the kids will have braces. Leah needs them too. It may just be when their teeth are ready. TFW wouldn't want a flawed child.Wonder if Aadan will have contacts soon?
"One thing I noticed in the 2014 People book was that 3 girls have braces and zero boys have them, and all of their teeth are terribly misaligned. Hmmmm.... "
TFW actually addressed this on twitter a few months ago when people noticed the boys needing work and said they'd all be getting them eventually. Who decided who got them first or last, idk.
Ex Nurse said... 107 ''.......So why do people here continue to insist that his acting out publicly was OK, and that TFW must have made a big deal of it to them? This is why I think people still say that Jon gets a pass. It's fine if people don't think it is harmful, but you will have a very hard time getting any professional therapist to say that it was not. The twins were approaching puberty at age 10, which is a very vulnerable time in their physical and emotional development and their ability to develop trusting romantic relationships will certainly be impacted--IMO of course. Anyone is free to disagree, but I am speaking from professional experience in working with adolescents and their families on an inpatient psych ward. These kids were suicidal, depressed, addicted and/or had eating disorders that were serious enough to require hospitalization.'' ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ OK. I simply can't let this comment slide with no comment!
To even suggest that the Gosselin children will face possible ''suicidal, depressed, addicted and/or had eating disorders that were serious enough to require hospitalization'' due to JON DATING a string of women after he left TFW is absurd.
It is not only absurd, but it totally ignores the children being physically abused when small and controlled to this day into little robot workers by their mother.
I am stunned that you, as a ''professional experience in working with adolescents and their families on an inpatient psych ward'' would even think such a thing, much less post those thoughts on a public blog.
Just read this on Kates TL: that kate coyne is doing the talk show rounds, and justifying her interview with Kate & twins, and defending Kate. I just came back from Walmart,Target Tonys Food and they had a lot of people mag on the stand, I even watch people standing in line to see if they pick up the mag and read it , none that I could see.
Two things: the twins will reappear on People again and as one person said: the tups will be on the People cover for their 10th b-day. We should start taking a poll on this.
The twins interview was NOV 25. Kate did not need to notify Jon that they were doing it. She has total control over that.
Jon's interview was published Dec. 27th.
I believe that he found out about the twins interview, probably from the twins, after the fact. That would explain the height of his anger during his interview.
My parents divorced and my father had a string of ladies. For years. It didn't adversely affect me in any way. I lived with my mother and only saw my father every other weekend. The ladies would visit and hang out with us, and it just was nice to have a woman to spend some time with. It didn't corrupt me for life, or scar me. Even as an adult, it doesn't affect me. Eventually he married one of those ladies and we are close today. At 13, I didn't care enough, nor did I have the ability to reflect on his behavior or to moralize it.
If the Gossein kids have those issues due to their father dating a few women, and it was a few, then the 80% of children from split families whose parents go on to date and remarry are at the same risk. I really doubt that 8 out of 10 kids from split homes are suicidal. What's more, they THOUGHT NOTHING OF IT. Repeat, they THOUGHT NOTHING OF IT.
If anything, they are going to be far more angry, resentful and bitter at Kate, who brainwashed them into making a mountain out of a molehill about their own father who did what many other warm blooded parents have chosen to do. The kids were fine about the dating, they didn't even care. Even now when Kate tried to brainwash them about it, they never said they were upset, uncomfortable, dismayed. They were, despite Kate's efforts, cracking a little joke about it and casually saying hm guess that wasn't normal (according to whom? Hint girls, that WAS normal for 80% of split people). As sad as it is, it was probably better to divorce when the kids were so young. Their parents split and being with other people is their normal. Incidentally, my friends I spoke about awhile back who not only loved the man their mom was dating but asked her to please marry him, were almost exactly the same ages as the twins and the tups when their mom got divorced. They adjusted absolutely fine to her dating and in fact supported it. (She dated three men seriously before marrying.) The first man she seriously dated, who was a coworker, came to her son's birthday party, those photos are in the family albums just like all the other birthday parties and they are still friends.
There are far many other things done to these kids to be concerned about than that. Time to get over it and move on.
I glanced through the interview while at the store today. I was struck by the lack of photos. The photos they do have (3? maybe 4?), usually one person has a "face". One photo of both girls, one is making a face at the other. A photo of the three of them, Kate is making a face at the girls. The sweetest photo of love between the three of them is the cover photo (which isn't much.) I think their photo shoot wasn't very successful.
The story where Cara says "you hate me" is told by Kate, seemingly as a "what a good mother I am" story. It's seriously disturbing. Like the stories she included in "I Just Want You to Know". And she describes the girls as being so mature and handling things, but that disturbs me most of all. She says the girls are dealing with things on their own, and acts like that's fine and working, but then says she's learned that she has to warn the girls now because kids are talking about things at school. None of them look truely happy in any of the photos. It's very sad.
Catching up with Couples Therapy and Taylor and Farrah are such a hoot together. I think it's so funny Taylor fancies herself sort of Farrah's mentor. It struck me as so funny when Taylor said Farrah is the most self absorbed person she has ever met. Does that include herself? That certainly says a lot, lol. Did Farrah's lips always look like this?
I like the lesbian couple whose problems are so child's play compared to everyone else. She talked to another girl at the bar and the other one got upset. LOL.
I rewatched the interview special that Kate did with that Natalie Morales? Kate herself says it all in the interview. It's just in Kate speak. The interview was done in Oct of 09. In it Kate says that she and Jon had conversations "sometime last year" (that would be 08) on where their relationship was going. She admits that in Jan of 09, they were struggling, and says that she had to file suit because Jon's goals changed and became detrimental/harmful to her goals.
Mama, I think you can't paint this stuff with a broad brush. Not every chid views dating as a threat. I think a lot of it stems from one or all of three things. One do they actually like the other man or woman (are they kind to the child, a good person, a good match, treat dad or mom right). Two do they not feel threatened at all that this person is replacing their bio mom or dad. Three, do they not feel threatened at all that this person would take away their parent's time or love from them.
It's a testament to Jon that he was able to fulfill all three things such that his girls thought nothing of it. There is no reason to be upset if all those three things are satisfied. Same for my friends, all three things were satisfied for them by their mother, and they felt all positive about her dating (their bio dad also remarried although not for several more years). He even walked his stepdaughter down the aisle a few years back, it was very emotional. He WAS their dad, they had two dads.
Several people have said that Jon gets a pass, and I am trying to explain that statements that seem to minimize the trauma to the kids for Jon's behavior can be seen as giving him a pass. That's all...not trying to say anything more than that.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 116 If the Gossein kids have those issues due to their father dating a few women, and it was a few, then the 80% of children from split families whose parents go on to date and remarry are at the same risk. I really doubt that 8 out of 10 kids from split homes are suicidal. What's more, they THOUGHT NOTHING OF IT. Repeat, they THOUGHT NOTHING OF IT. ******* I think it's tough on kids when a parent dates, but I think if they know they come first, they adjust to the change. Having a string of girlfriends? So what? If Jon's focus was on his kids, then let him date whomever. You know what I think is worse? Kate's constant harping about getting married again and involving the kids in it to the point that, apparently, they are so preoccupied with it, that they converse and even build Lego wedding mock ups. Now that's some sick shite. When the rubber meets the road, when it gets *real*, is when a parent gets married. Short of that isn't really a threat to the child. So, lets hear M+C tell us how f'ed up it is to hear their mother talk about getting married again, so much, that they apparently obsess over it. Let's hear M+C tell us about how Kate yammers on about marrying another man every month, week, day and second. If they can rationalize that Jon's string of gf's isn't healthy, I think they can figure out that Kate's obsession with finding another husband is just as bad. Cuts both ways, sheeple.
Yes, we never hear the girls preoccupied with Jon or his dating. I've never seen them build lego structures acting out fantasies of daddy marrying again. And he's far more likely to do it than Kate given he actually IS in a relationship.
Jon doesn't preoccupy his kids with that aspect of his life as most good parents would not because that is not normal or healthy for them to be concerned with that.
LaLaLandNoMore (108) Jon is definitely blamed for the loss of the million-dollar lifestyle. Many of the sheeple still bash him for ending the show. But the fact is that Kate and the kids still had the show--just not a show with him. They couldn't carry a show in their own, and that's not Jon's fault. Kate even said once that they never stopped filming. Problem is, the kids weren't little and cute anymore, and Kate's behavior made people cringe. Are the sheeple saying that Jon is necessary to "sell" the family for a show? If he's such a loser, like they claim, then why couldn't Kate and the kids maintain their ratings without him? Kate may be doing herself a huge disservice by refusing to appear with Jon. The tension between the two of them kept viewers coming back. They would probably get decent ratings by doing something together, even if it's just an update special, but she won't agree to it. So, she sits there in Pennsylvania dreaming of a second chance that doesn't seem to be coming. She has nobody but herself to blame.
"If the Gossein kids have those issues due to their father dating a few women, and it was a few, then the 80% of children from split families whose parents go on to date and remarry are at the same risk. I really doubt that 8 out of 10 kids from split homes are suicidal. What's more, they THOUGHT NOTHING OF IT. Repeat, they THOUGHT NOTHING OF IT."
Yet, these same kids have been "begging Mommy" to get a boyfriend and get remarried?
They've set a place at the table for Mommy's GrowABoyfriend and built Lego monuments to a wedding day, all posted on Twitter for the world to see.
Jon's semi-private relationships after their separation, 4 years ago, are an issue now. Yet Kate letting her 13 year old daughters being asked about it, their answers being purely for public consumption, criticism and condemnation, isn't a problem?
Someone slap me then pass me a Rumspringa, make it a double.
How does this woman get away with this bullshit? How does she still have any supporters?
The twins were approaching puberty at age 10, which is a very vulnerable time in their physical and emotional development and their ability to develop trusting romantic relationships will certainly be impacted--IMO of course.
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Jon and Kate split in spring of 2009. The twins weren't approaching puberty when Jon went on his dating "excursions." They were 8 1/2 years old. His '"running around" didn't last that long, and he then began his relationship with Ellen in 2010 that lasted two years.
"So why do people here continue to insist that his acting out publicly was OK, and that TFW must have made a big deal of it to them?"
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I don't recall anyone insisting that his acting out publicly was acceptable behavior. In fact, I remember that what was said was that after living with Kate for 10 years, it didn't come as a surprise. However, the behavior wasn't condoned.
Apparently the detective who's so defective had lunch or dinner with one of BV's pals and wrote about it on her blog. Can we say giddy - like a 15 year old asked to the prom.
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According to Aesop's fable, you are known by the company you keep.
I think the cute babies were a foot in the door but at the end of the day the real staying power of the show was people liked watching the dynamic between Jon and Kate--they loved to be horrified. Without that it would have been just another one of the large families shows that came and went.
I think at the end of the day Kate knows what the real hook of the show was (her and Jon), and resents Jon because she never really could make a serious go at this without him. And she will never forgive him for that. She is bitter and hateful that she NEEDS him to make her millions and bitter and hateful that after he left things were never the same again.
To some extent this is also why she hates Aunt Jodi, because people liked her and the show undoubtedly did well with her on it. She was the show's Ethel. Not the main draw of the show, but without her something is missing. And Kate will never forgive her either just like Jon.
Not only can we believe it, we called it! We said she wanted the fun of running a not-a-contest but when it came to the actual work of going through the entries we'll be waiting awhile. ***** My MIl had and has been recovering from open heart surgery in the time that Kate can't manage to read a handful of stories. Pa-fucking-thetic.
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I'm included to believe that she didn't really get all that many, and with the few that she got she doesn't know what to do with, especially since the rules and regulations questions were brought up. She might still be trying to figure out what's legal and what isn't.
IT's a shame Jon missed all this CT drama because of his delayed flight, I hate that I'm watching this and GETTING INTO IT lol. I mean Farrah and Taylor are just sooo....addicting?
She might still be trying to figure out what's legal and what isn't.
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If that's the case, we're gonna be here awhile. This is a woman who thinks that Carlos Gosselin having the name Gosselin, a surname that has been his family for generations, was "not legal."
You know, I really haven't taken the comparisons of Kate to Mom Kardasian until now. Kate tweeted a thank you to People and said to the effect that this was the girls' "first" cover shoot. So, I think Kate wants the girls to be tabloid fodder. I'll be surprised if some or most of the kids don't say "screw college, I just made $75 for a photo shoot, or 6-figures for a reality tv show appearance."
To some extent this is also why she hates Aunt Jodi, because people liked her and the show undoubtedly did well with her on it **** Aunt Jodi is everything Kate is not. Warm, nurturing, kind and most of all, maternal.
Or who preoccupies their 13 year olds with some things that happened during the middle of a extremely contentious divorce for but a moment in time four years ago? That's really nuts. I cannot even believe that this is still brought up. I understand the People article brought it up this time, but a poster here has done their fair share of bringing it up for no reason whatsoever.
Exactly, Meagler. I know worry is a wasted emotion and nothing is accomplished....but we're raising little humans here! It's so important to get it right.
We are flying to California in about a month. Aunty W. is just the neatest, most down to earth lady. She gets up before we do in the am and goes to do water aerobics in the pool. Outside!! We're very excited and I'm working furiously on finishing the photo album for her. Thanks to all who gave the idea!!
"One thing I noticed in the 2014 People book was that 3 girls have braces and zero boys have them, and all of their teeth are terribly misaligned. Hmmmm.... "
I think it is a bit premature to infer the boys get the short end of the stick concerning their teeth. Kate did say previously that a lot of the kids will be needing ortho work. I loathe the woman but I don't think she would be that stupid and neglectful to deny the boys dental work.
Admin said, "I understand the People article brought it up this time, but a poster here has done their fair share of bringing it up for no reason whatsoever."
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Amen! My gosh! Let it go already. It happened five years ago. FIVE YEARS! There's such a thing as moving on, and I think it's long past that time!
Admin- How long did your friend date these men before introducing them to her children? And how old were her children? That is the key here, not the fact that Jon was dating so soon after the separation/divorce. I don't care who you are or how well-adjusted or resilient your kids are, it is not healthy to introduce your kids to every single person you date. My kids were 11 and 14 when I got divorced, and when I started dating again, I didn't introduce my kids to anyone except for the one guy that I was seeing for about two months and thought might be "the one". Turns out he wasn't, but my kids did like him and they were both disappointed that we broke up. Of course they were old enough to understand such things. On the other hand, I have a friend who introduces her kids to every single guy she dates, which could be every week sometimes. Let me tell you, whether you want to believe it or not, it does affect kids very negatively. She has three kids, 5, 7, and 10 years old. Every one of them acts out, gets in trouble at school, etc. They are crying out for help and attention. Can you imagine, being so young and having your family split, only seeing your dad once a week and every other weekend, then having a new man pop up every couple weeks?
I'm not saying that that's what happened with Jon and his kids, I'm just saying that it is not healthy. I should probably run and duck for cover for saying this, but I agree with ExNurse and her statement about kids becoming depressed, addicted, suicidal. I don't think she was suggesting that the Gosselin kids were going to kill themselves tomorrow, but that long-term affects of seeing this behavior from parents can negatively impact kids and as they get older they don't know how to have healthy relationships, which could lead to depression, addiction, etc.
The thing is, a lot of people seem to think that Jon's behavior negatively impacted the children, and that they noticed. I don't believe it did. They were so used to new people coming and going anyway. So another couple ladies came and went. I really don't believe that would be a big deal to the kids, especially when we are talking about 3 women here until he got into a long term relationship. I don't believe that the kids were so absorbed in their parents lives for that to negatively impact them. A national cover, and a national interview, however, is a different story. That will definately have a personal negative impact on those girls.
Kate admits in the interview that things are talked about at school. I feel bad for those girls and what they will have to deal with Monday morning.
Seriously, what does the woman do all day?!?!? Her kids are in school. She leaves them to do everything around the house. Obviously her hair appointments are now few and far between. She has no job. Is she just sitting there all day googling herself??? To the point where she can't even finish this silly "contest that's not a contest"?!?
Or really is it that she has realized she has nothing to hold people's interests and she has to cling on to this gimmic for as long as she possibly can cuz there's nothing else left?
I also want to say that I whole heartedly agree that Kate is doing more damage to her kids as far as having healthy relationships. She teaches them that if someone pisses you off, you show them the door and pretend they don't exist. And this nonsense of the kids begging her to remarry is beyond ridiculous. Kids generally seem to have a secret wish that mom and dad will get back together. My ex-husband got married this summer, and my daughter, who is 18 now, said to me "Well, I guess there's no hope for you and dad anymore, is there?" I was stunned, because I have never given any indication that that was something I hoped for, plus he married the person that he divorced me to be with! She said she knew I was over him, but she still had a little space in her heart that hoped we would get back together and be a real family. So I seriously doubt the Gosselin kids are rooting for a new man for Mom. If anything, she's the one starting such conversations and putting those ideas in their heads. She really needs to stop discussing their dad, the divorce, dating, finances, etc with her kids. Not healthy at all.
I think it is a bit premature to infer the boys get the short end of the stick concerning their teeth. Kate did say previously that a lot of the kids will be needing ortho work. I loathe the woman but I don't think she would be that stupid and neglectful to deny the boys dental work.
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I'm with you on that one. I'm sure that the boys had ortho visits and plans were made according to the phases of treatment. Not every child is ready for braces at the same time. To say that she's denying them treatment because she doesn't like icky boys is really carrying it too far.
Kids outgrow Gymboree not in size maybe but in style before 4th grade, follow the Hollister route as you mentioned, then it's American Apparel, Urban Outfitter etc and designers if you're rich...my dd has taken to checking out thrift stores, Salvation Army, etc with some great finds. **************** The thrift stores have actually become "cool" places to shop with teens of all ages and college kids, which is kind of interesting to see. The Salvation Army and the Goodwill stores around here are usually hopping with young people (although I've actually been hearing complaining about Goodwill's prices going up to compare with Plato's Closet!) So different from when I was in school.
It looks like Kate was at American Eagle today, if tweet is to be believed, and the older two would be sliding in that direction now. (Unless she went there for HERSELF, which I guess wouldn't surprise me!)
MARIE @MY_2BCOLLIES 20s @CJWhodunit @Kateplusmy8 That seems to be the same consensus from everyone that bought Kate's cookbook, that everyone loves everything in it
Can't stop laughing over that one. If nothing else, these sheeple certainly are humorous, whether they try to be or not!
Yes, indeed. everyone who made Kate's recipes can't get enough of them. That's why someone's dog turned up his nose at a prepared dish, or why some had pizza delivery on speed dial, or why gallons of water were required after the sodium-laced dishes! Good stuff there, especially the tuna mac and cheese. So original. Yay! Yum! Delish!
The books just flew off the shelves because every recipe was so great. Sales boomed, the book was in high demand and the stores couldn't keep them in stock. They went back to the publisher for what -- the 200,000th printing?
They also went through more than 11 nannies and caregivers during this time, and by Kate's own admission a revolving crew door. Their normal was a revolving door of people. I have to say it took some getting used to working in a house in which on any given day someone was fired or left and someone new brought in, and a wide variety of people of all sorts showed up for dinner to talk various projects, and the phone rang off the hook back in the days when people used phone instead of texts, but you get used to a driveway packed with cars on any given Wednesday and a revolving door of people you might never see again. The kids really and truly had NO idea, none, that this was odd. They knew not to get too attached to anyone other than family and friends and they understood at a young age that people come and go, as is true for everyone. They could literally walk right by a business meeting at the kitchen table and not even see the faces there. They weren't being rude, they just had many other things going on to worry about all the people who were involved in some form with their parents. I'll always laugh remembering my first day there and I walked right by three of the kids and they didn't even see me, literally didn't see me--they were used to people walking by .Now stability may be better in the long run for kids, but it doesn't change the fact that they adapted to this kind of lifestyle just fine. Kids adapt extremely well. They have nothing to compare their lives to so their normal is normal to them. What is shocking for adults (eleven nannies! A revolving door of crew! Dad's dating women!) is shocking because that's maybe not our normal. But it was for them. I don't see a shred of evidence any of this is having any long term affects on them or that placing a lot of people in a child's life is necessarily bad for them as long as their parents and friends are stable.
It was being spoiled by the lavish lifestyle the show brought and indulged by Kate in what appears to be an attempt to curry favor with them over Jon, that appears to have messed them up the most to date. Later on I think fame itself and what happened to their money will be troubling for them, but that hasn't really hit them yet. But I just can't see them shedding many tears on the therapist's coach over the fact that they happened to have quite a few adults come through their lives. They also may have some questions why the people who really mattered, like Aunt Jodi, were ripped from their lives.
Before I post these tweets I check out the tweeter to make sure they're not a hater sock (less than 20 tweets is a clue). This one has 550:
Wheezy @WhyWheezy 9 Jan People magazine will be in many, many homes of the classmates of the kids @KatePlusMy8 but u had to get back at Jon. #HateKills
To say that she's denying them treatment because she doesn't like icky boys is really carrying it too far. ****** I said NOTHING of the kind. I just would not be surprised if the girls had their orthodontia needs met first because Kate so obviously favors the girls. Look at how cheap Kate was with their school clothes! She made them wear clothing 3 sizes too big to save money!
DanielleB said... 153 ******* That's what normally happens with kids when there's remarriage- the fantasy is o-v-e-r. Zero chance of parents reuniting. And really, what do you think these kids think of marriage anyway. They were told over and over and over that Mommy and Daddy are renewing their vows because they'll be together FOREVER. I highly doubt they're thinking that Kate getting married is a good thing, or that it means anything at all, really. Kate HATES Jon with a passion and she's cut off just about their entire family, so the kids' view of marriage, family and any sense of permanency has to bit a bit skewed, to say the least.
Tucker's Mom said... 130 So, lets hear M+C tell us how f'ed up it is to hear their mother talk about getting married again, so much, that they apparently obsess over it. Let's hear M+C tell us about how Kate yammers on about marrying another man every month, week, day and second. -------------------- Or how she can't find a husband because no one wants a bunch of kids, baggage...what else does she say as an excuse why she can't get someone to love her?
I wonder how many times we can find where and what excuse she uses as to why dating is hard. Most of the time it's because of the kids, but the cupcake man, she didn't have enough time for someone with dietary requirements. Can you believe that? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcaqMlvLzmk
It depends. Some kids feel more secure when they know what's going on. They feel you are keeping something from them to not introduce them. Others do better not knowing. This was so long ago, I could' tell you all the specifics of it. I was a kid myself. I just remember her dating and that there were three men over the course of dating and she married the third. Three times a charm.
Even so, we don't know that Jon introduced the kids to everyone.
I said NOTHING of the kind. I just would not be surprised if the girls had their orthodontia needs met first because Kate so obviously favors the girls.
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Sorry, Tucker's. I didn't say that you did say that. I was agreeing with Paper Plates. It's been commented here in the past that Kate favors the girls and therefore the boys suffer (denied dental treatment), and there's a discussion on Twitter that Kate's boys need braces but she neglects them because they are icky boys. It could be that the girls were ready for treatment and the boys weren't. We just don't know. Not all kids' teeth/mouths develop at the same rate.
Just read this on Kates TL: that kate coyne is doing the talk show rounds, and justifying her interview with Kate & twins, and defending Kate.
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See this is what I mean. Kate Coyne has inserted herself into this story. She is a character in the Gosselin mess, she is a player. That is not what a good journalist does. You are not the story.
I think she writes this drivel as much for her own ego and to get her own mug in the media than anything else. A good journalist lets the story speak for itself and doesn't need to do the talk show rounds explaining it or justifying it.
I am never going to buy into a parent dating makes kids suicidal. For goodness sake. If there are any stats on that at all, if at all, I'm sure it was due more to the parent doing dating all wrong, and is an insult to parents who always put their kids first when dating. Stepdad's oldest kid and mom's kid are each happily married with a baby, the remaining kids including the two they had together are too young to get married but all have nice significant others. They have always had very healthy and appropriate relationships. I love their significant others.
It could be that the girls were ready for treatment and the boys weren't. We just don't know. Not all kids' teeth/mouths develop at the same rate. **** Thanks. DH had his braces at 13, but that was a while ago. I think kids get them earlier nowadays. I don't believe Kate would deny braces to the boys, but I wouldn't put it past her to have the girls' done first. Maybe the boys are just developing slower or something. They're all so small.
I am never going to buy into a parent dating makes kids suicidal. For goodness sake. If there are any stats on that at all, if at all, I'm sure it was due more to the parent doing dating all wrong, and is an insult to parents who always put their kids first when dating.
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Who has said that a parent's dating makes a child suicidal?
Someone I know posted a link to this wonderful blog entry called Destroying Your Child's Heart One Picture at a Time. It is really thoughtful and explores making everything public about your child, esp the bad things.
She made a list of what effects this has on your children.
1) Bully your kids and they will learn to fear you. As in be afraid of you. Cringing in your presence and hiding their lives from you. 2) Publicly shame your kids and they will learn the only important character development is to be found in a good public persona and the fool’s gold of value based solely upon outward perception and public approval. 3) Mock your children as they struggle and they will learn to never share their struggles with you. 4) Share their weaknesses with the world and they will find the world to be cruel and will put you in the role of the cruelest of all. 5) They will think they are a joke, not to be taken seriously. Their pain the only commodity to sell. 6) They will treat you as you have treated them.
IMO, this applies to how those children are being treated.
Sleepless, The point is - if there wasn't divorce their wouldn't be dating!! Of course dating isn't the only factor, but that article states exactly what I was saying-that children of divorce get a skewed version of what a "normal" relationship is, and that causes depression, addictions, and suicide.
that children of divorce get a skewed version of what a "normal" relationship is, and that causes depression, addictions, and suicide.
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But again, how do you measure what parents are handling new relationships in a way that is healthy for their kids and who is not?
A parent could handle ANYTHING about parenting in a dysfunctional manner and that could cause problems for kids. Dating is just one of those things. And good parents can handle dating and anything else in a healthy manner for their kids and the kids will be fine. Bad parents are bad parents no matter what is going on in the family. It is too hard to measure these things with any kind of accuracy, because how one parent handles bringing in a new girlfriend could be lightyears apart from how another would.
Of course dating isn't the only factor, but that article states exactly what I was saying-that children of divorce get a skewed version of what a "normal" relationship is, and that causes depression, addictions, and suicide.
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Are there any stats on how seeing their parents date, marry and move on in turn helps kids move on and overcome negative feelings from the divorce and feel secure that one chapter is over but the next one looks bright?
Ex Nurse, I didn't think you were saying that the kids were going to be suicidal, etc because of Jon's dating. Just that those were the kids you worked with.
I'm currently a nursing student and just finished my mental health rotation. I always thought I might want to be a mental health nurse because I have a lot of experience with severe mental illness (various family members) and have seen how getting professional help has truly changed some of their lives. After my rotation though I'm not so sure. We were solely in an inpatient adult facility because, sadly, we have no pediatric inpatient facilities in my county. The thing that stuck out to me the most when talking to patients/clients was that most of their problems started with their parents. I'm not talking about my parents spanked me so I killed 7 people. I'm talking about my parents chose a man/alcohol/etc over my well-being and this is how it has affected me mentally. It was really, really sad to me to see so many people struggling because of selfish parents. I guess my point in all that was to say: I see Kate (and to a lesser extent Jon) as very selfish parents. She puts her desires and needs above those of her children, and there is a very real possibility that the kid(s) will suffer because of it. Surely as a nurse she had to take a mental health class and realizes this.
(Also Ex Nurse, kudos to you for working in Peds Psych. I'm sure that was hard and emotionally taxing, and I imagine the burn out rate is high.)
you will have a very hard time getting any professional therapist to say that it was not.
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You know what I think the problem is here. You want Jon to be as good of a parent and person as you are. I don't require that of other parents, and that is why I just can't get all worked up over Jon. I may be able to say well I don't like this or that thing, but I can't get angry about it like I do Kate. If that is a "pass" so be it, but I don't see it that way.
When it's actual abuse, yeah I get mad. What Kate does is emotional abuse and in the past, physical abuse. And exploitation. And it has never stopped. And that is wrong, and there are laws that say it's wrong.
The sheeple have one thing right. In this country, we're allowed to parent as we see fit. I think we forget that is a fundamental right that no one has the right to interfere with absent abuse. Where I differ from the sheeple is I think Kate's parenting is bad enough to demand she change and in some instances that even warranted intervention. They don't. Differences in values, difference in opinion.
My favorite quote is from an unpublished case in CA about how the courts are not here to interfere when parents are being general shoddy as being generally shoddy doesn't mean you're abusive. Nor do I have much interest in endlessly bellyaching over and condemning generally shoddy parents. That is not what I have any intentions of doing to Jon or any parent like him either. If we lived in any other system, that would be social engineering, and that's not freedom. We forget that freedom sometimes means watching others do things you wouldn't or not as good as you would even with their own kids, and accepting it anyway as their right and just MOVING ON.
Sleepless, The point is - if there wasn't divorce their wouldn't be dating!!
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I disagree. A divorce may be a much more traumatic event in the lives of the children. Their parent moves out. There's so much confusion. Did the child do anything to contribute to the divorce? Is it their fault? How is the family going to survive? Where will we live and who will we live with?
Dating after a divorce may cause emotional problems as well, but the divorce is over and done. The site you linked is about divorce, not about dating, and I thought the discussion here was if a parent dating could cause suicide in kids.
Remember how TFW griped about A's glasses because they were expensive and he had went through a couple of pairs.
TFW: WHO CARES!!! You tight wadded evil witch! That poor child needed and still needs glasses. I hope you didn't let him hear you griping about it. That would of made him feel bad. But you have showed us and the world over and over how bad you made your kids feel when you would rampage your anger over the least little things. Like the lovey bear. The cupcakes. I could go on and on. We paid 200 dollars, 20 years ago for my DS's glasses. It was hard, but I didn't gripe about it. The point is of glasses is to SEE BETTER!
Finally it increases behavioral, emotional and psychiatric risks, including suicide.
I agree with this. I would never even entertain the notion of dating until my own son was old enough to understand what was going on. He's very protective of me, which is not always a good thing, but at his age (close to the twins' ages when they went thru their dad's women), he needs the security of knowing I'm not going anywhere. Until he feels secure, I wouldn't dream of dating. That would be cruel to him.
I'm not trying to be combative, I'm saying that just because in your experience there was a good outcome, doesn't mean that's the way it is for everyone else. I've stated before ( a long time ago) that I had a "good" divorce. Of course I was upset that I was being left with two kids so he could be with someone else. But I saved my tears and tirades for my best friend and my therapist. My kids never heard one bad thing out of my mouth concerning their dad. Even after he told them that the reason he was leaving was "Because even though I love you and always will, I just don't love your mom anymore". No matter what I thought of him, I never tried to alienate my kids from him. It wasn't easy sometimes, but I knew it wasn't about just me. They deserved to have a relationship with their dad.
So I feel lucky that my kids have turned out okay.
We have no idea whether or not Jon introduced the kids to anyone except Liz and the one before her (I forgot her name). We do know that Kate keeps pummeling those kids with ideas about her getting a new husband, has her daughters discuss the divorce to a national magazine, and makes no attempt at getting along with Jon, if only for the sake of the kids. They have a very skewed and dysfunctional view of relationships, not only marital relationships, but relationships with anyone. They are growing up learning that if someone doesn't agree with everything you say or do, you just kick them out of your life. Hopefully Jon can counteract the damage their mother is doing to them. If not, I will not be surprised if at least some of them don't have problems such as depression, addiction or promiscuity when they get older.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 177 ''You know what I think the problem is here. You want Jon to be as good of a parent and person as you are. I don't require that of other parents, and that is why I just can't get all worked up over Jon. I may be able to say well I don't like this or that thing, but I can't get angry about it like I do Kate. If that is a "pass" so be it, but I don't see it that way.'' ~~~~~~ I don't see it that way either, Admin. I think that giving Jon the benefit of the doubt as I do is not giving Jon a ''pass'', because I base my opinion on what I saw on the show for episode after episode. JON did all the work. JON fed and dressed and bathed his children. JON took TFW's abuse year after year after year. JON got off twitter. JON doesn't allow photos of his children when he is with them. JON allows his children to be children and doesn't burden them with endless rules and chores. Most of all, JON did not write a journal detailing horrific abuse of his children. I could go on and and on and on about all the things that JON doesn't do that WOS does but we all know the endless list.
As far as I'm concerned, based my observations, Jon built my foundation of belief that he loves and is dearly loved by his children. If his children have more problems in the future, the responsibility for their problems will be due to the treatment by their mother, not their father dating women after the divorce!
Dating after a divorce may cause emotional problems as well, but the divorce is over and done. The site you linked is about divorce, not about dating, and I thought the discussion here was if a parent dating could cause suicide in kids. **************************
But Jon was dating long before the divorce was final. I think that point is being missed.
lukebandit said... 179 ''I came across this picture of Joel. Why was a picture taken and where are the adults?'' ~~~~~~~~~~~ I may be mistaken, but I think that may have been taken when TFW took the kids to the museum. I remember someone watching them film the episode and said that the children were made to go up the steps over and over again and one of the boys fell down. I also believe there was some discussion about TFW's reaction, but am not positive enough to repeat what I vaguely remember. Someone else might know the rest of the story.
Remona, You are absolutely entitle to your opinion. But, you don't seem to think that I am entitled to mine. There is plenty of blam WTO go around for both of them. I make no excuse for either of them--IMO they are both poor excuses for parents.
@Ex Nurse- when you first started posting here, weren't you posting as ExBurnNurse?? You worked in a burn unit? Now you worked in a child psychiatric ward?? I work in health care, and a RN in a burn unit takes a completely different nursing program than a RPN(registered psychiatric nurse) who works in a psychiatric unit..... so I am a little confused as to your nursing background..... but don't worry, I am not confused where you stand on all things Jon!
Admin.... You know what I think the problem is here. You want Jon to be as good of a parent and person as you are. I don't require that of other parents, and that is why I just can't get all worked up over Jon. I may be able to say well I don't like this or that thing, but I can't get angry about it like I do Kate. If that is a "pass" so be it, but I don't see it that way. ------------ Thank you for saying that, Admin--that is a very good description. I wish I could see Jon the same way other do, but, I just don't. I think that by the time CT is over, we will know more than any of us should about his issues. If I am wrong, then I will admit it.
Future Nurse said... Also Ex Nurse, kudos to you for working in Peds Psych. I'm sure that was hard and emotionally taxing, and I imagine the burn out rate is high.) ------- It was actually the most rewarding work I did. However, due to changes in insurance coverage and diagnoses, patients who are hospitalized are much sicker. If you are interested in psychiatric, addiction rehab can be very rewarding. The fact that most rehab patients are voluntary and there is zero tolerance for using means that there is motivation to recover. But, definitely very emotionally demanding--as are many fields of nursing. I was also a Burn Unit Nurse--also rewarding and very demanding!
The only thing I want to add is that Jon was the primary caregiver. So, losing daily contact with him was a huge loss.
As hard as I am on him, I do believe he was loving and was a buffer between TFW and the kids. I don't blame him for leaving, but it is hard to think of a way he could have done it that would have been worse.
I know this is OT, but I had to share. I watched an HBO documentary today called "Life According to Sam" about a boy with progeria disease. Progeria is a disease which causes children to age prematurely. Age expectancy is 13. The show reminded me of the movie Lorenzo's Oil because his parents, who both happened to be doctors, started a Progeria Research Foundation and actually found a treatment for Progeria, which is very rare and has no cure. Basically, no research was being done on the disease, but now there is treatment for the first time. It was a very inspiring documentary, and Sam was a special person. He had friends, he was in the marching band at his school, he got good grades and hoped to go to MIT and be a geneticist.
After watching the documentary today, I came online to learn more about him and the Progeria Research Foundation. I was deeply saddened to learn he died just this past Friday, January 10th at the age of 17.
I urge you to watch the documentary if you get a chance. Or at the very least, watch Sam Berns at a TEDx event where he spoke about his "Philosophy for a happy life".
Judith Wallerstein did a 10 year study of children of divorce. Her work is highly respected and extensive. The negative effects of divorce are very well documented. Of course, there will be instances where the kids come through with positive outcomes. Given the toxicity of the relationship between those two, I sincerely doubt that this will be the case with most of the kids. Here is an excellent summary:
So will the same people who keep holding "the string of women" over Jon's head and "not" give him a pass do the same if the teens they are actually counseling do the same?
DanielleB said... 183 ****** Excellent post. I can imagine how it must have crushed your kids for their father to blatantly state that he didn't love you anymore. Geez! Ouch! They're called "kid gloves" for a reason. But, am happy you held it together and put them first. Kate believes she's doing just that, but she's not, obviously. It's not healthy for a mom to write and speak about each kid's reaction to a very private situation, or for a mom to ruminate with little kids about their dads' sexual exploits. Just bizarre. I never did and still don't approve of Jon's behavior post divorce, in particular, his fling to France with his little chippie. I can't wrap my head around leaving your kids so far behind for so long. If it was a real business deal, and Christian Audigier wanted to work with Jon, a deal could have been brokered in PA, and at another date, so save the BS for someone gullible. Jon wanted that free trip and wanted to party hardy with Hailey. They even filmed themselves half baked acting like assholes. Anywho... I'm rambling first thing in the morning. Suffice to say, if Mady and Cara are "wise beyond their years" it's because they've been raised as small adults, not children. They've had the burden of working for their family since they were 4.
Ex Nurse said... 185 The only thing I want to add is that Jon was the primary caregiver. So, losing daily contact with him was a huge loss. ******* For many years, Jon was, I agree. And now it seems like Kate swoops in, taking all the thanks and glory, and that's what the children remember. But, I'm sure when they get older, they'll realize that Kate was on the road with Steve, always saying goodbye and always popping in to do her laundry and repack her bags. This has been well documented by Robert. It was Jon who was there, not only after a long day of work and commuting, but when Kate was away, doing it all himself, just like a Single Dad. Because, he was.
Anonymous said... 181 I'm surprised that Jon and Kate haven't teamed up to do Jon and Kate co-parent 8. They both crave the spotlight and the easy money.
Jane ******* I think that could be a real hit, but Kate would never do it. She wants the spotlight squarely on her, and I think, deep down, she knows it was Jon that made the show work. He was part of the dynamic that made people tune in.
I disagree. A divorce may be a much more traumatic event in the lives of the children. Their parent moves out. There's so much confusion. Did the child do anything to contribute to the divorce? Is it their fault? How is the family going to survive? Where will we live and who will we live with? ****** Something that really disturbed me about the People article was that Kate seems to think that she can provide "therapy" to the kids. She's not qualified, to say the least. Those kids need a professional therapist to talk to before, now and in the future. They should have an established relationship with a therapist and undergo intermittent treatment if even prophylactically. But, that would take some "glory" away from "SuperMom" who wants the world to believe she's doing all by herself. Give credit to someone else? Peeshaw!
I'm surprised that Jon and Kate haven't teamed up to do Jon and Kate co-parent 8. They both crave the spotlight and the easy money. _______________
I can't see how that would be anything but detrimental to the kids. Would J&K pretend to be getting along or would they be fighting with each other? How is either good for the kids?
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The real truth is the only reason J&K Plus 8 blew up with close to 10 million viewers was because TLC did very heavy advertising Jon and Kate's pending separation/divorce. How sick is that. Yes prior to that many viewers tuned in to she the adorable tups. But they also tuned in to see how bitchy Kate was going to be to Jon. Jon and Kate's couch sessions also made interesting TV because she was such so unpredictable and mean.
Way after the tups grew out of their cuteness, people mainly tuned in to see a train wreck. Kate and her family are not popular because of any talent, skills, accomplishments, or even good personalities.
The Gosselins are famous and have a following due to Kate's ugly personality and the ugly way she treated her kids and her husband. And the public continued for a while to tune in because of the tabloids in 2009 bashing them and making them more popular than they should have been.
That is not something I would be proud. Had they pulled the plug before the last of season 5 like Jon said he wanted to, I doubt the Gosselins would be as well known as they are today. How nice to be know because you are such a bitch to your family and your kids. And because you let TLC film your separation and divorce.
I don't remember if it was the Oprah show or the article Jon did, both around the same time, where Jon was talking about how the kids were affected by being on the reality show.
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This may be the clip you're referring to of Jon on Oprah:
http://www.oprah.com/own-where-are-they-now/Do-Jon-and-Kate-Gosselin-Still-Talk-Video
I think Kate wished the twins were identical. They might have had more selling power. She used to dressed them identically. I never saw the point in that. 190
It was because they are not identical. It was to indicate that they were sextuplets.
Berks Neighbor said... 185
I do want to add about the 'Monday' photo shoot.
A lot of schools in PA take the Monday after Thanksgiving off as it is the first day of hunting season. It's rather a tradition here.
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The twins were off school the Monday after Thanksgiving. They didn't go back until Tuesday.
This is not one of the tups, and I'm surprised that Gymboree has no copyright set in place that would prohibit a blogger from lifting a photo from their website of a minor child and putting it on a blog.
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Copyright law doesn't mean you can never lift a single thing ever. There are lots of exceptions and it's not black and white. Lifting one little photo to discuss whether a minor child could be exploited, even though it was an honest mistake and that was not a Gosselin, is probably not going to cut it as a violation under copyright law.
Jon sounded very upset about something during that interview and many of us said so, and said it was like we were missing a piece of the puzzle.
I'm betting he just found out about People (don't say she didn't warn him) and was in a piss poor mood. Unfortunately for Jon he doesn't have the good sense to cancel an interview if he is having problems with his ex and kids, instead of just spouting off and doing stupid stuff like not using a real restroom. That interview was an F-it interview because he was very upset with Kate and didn't seem to give a crap what people thought anymore, and the consequence are it reflected poorly on him. Fortunately Kate in typical fashion brought the negative attention right back on her in short order.
I have a car ad....I don''t think the Gymboree model looks too much like any of the Gosselin girls except her side-parted hair and Asian features
She looks just a little like a younger Mady or Alexis, maybe age 7 or so.She has her primary teeth still. All the G kids are too old for Gymboree now.
Berks Neighbor said... 185
I do want to add about the 'Monday' photo shoot.
A lot of schools in PA take the Monday after Thanksgiving off as it is the first day of hunting season. It's rather a tradition here.
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Berks Neighbor, this past Thanksgiving was on the 28th, so the 25th was the Monday before Thanksgiving.
They had that whole week off, so Kate gets a tiny bit of credit for not pulling them out of school. But maybe Jon was pissed because it was his year to have them for Thanksgiving and he wanted the girls the whole week. Remember logically it was Jon's holiday this year, since they alternate and last year Kate posted Thanksgiving pics and this year she was notoriously quiet about it.
So yes, she did take them up to NYC, on a school day, before a long holiday. Guess then she had to hire the the not-a-nanny for the other children. The bird is the smokescreen. But then the kids went to their dad's house on the weekend and someone spilled the beans. No wonder Jon was so pissy in that interview. Unfortunately this is not over.
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''Jon sounded very upset about something during that interview and many of us said so, and said it was like we were missing a piece of the puzzle.
I'm betting he just found out about People (don't say she didn't warn him) and was in a piss poor mood. Unfortunately for Jon he doesn't have the good sense to cancel an interview if he is having problems with his ex and kids, instead of just spouting off and doing stupid stuff like not using a real restroom....''
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A lot of us were taken aback by his obvious anger, crude remarks and crass behavior. I think that I even wondered if it was somehow 'in character' in keeping w/the behavior of people on Couples Therapy.
I think that it is probable that Jon was required to give the interview as promotion of Couples Therapy. Remember the photo complete w/credits that headed the article?
They have the whole week of Thanksgiving off? Yikes, I wasn't aware of that. Guess she didn't have to pull them out of school then. lol
Maybe on that Monday she dumped the younger kids on Jon at the last minute and he had to move mountains to change his work schedule rather than leave them with a nanny.
Whatever it was, if past history is any indication she was not considerate to Jon and his feelings about this interview. It just all makes perfect sense now. It gave that interview some context. Not an excuse, but context.
She looks just a little like a younger Mady or Alexis, maybe age 7 or so.She has her primary teeth still. All the G kids are too old for Gymboree now.
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Gymboree goes up to size 12, so they're probably at the borderline right now. However, since the girls are on the petite side, I would think that they could still wear those sizes for another year.
What's next? Justice?
Lifting one little photo to discuss whether a minor child could be exploited, even though it was an honest mistake and that was not a Gosselin, is probably not going to cut it as a violation under copyright law.
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Most likely not, although if I found out that my young daughter's photo was taken off the Gymboree ad and used on a Mommy blog, I'd be a little bit concerned about it because she signed on to model for Gymboree, not for a blog that we knew nothing about.
Yes, although I doubt the parents own the copyright. Gymboree does. It would be up to Gymboree to try to take them to court and I bet the sheeple have already alerted them and they're not going to bother to do anything. You have to think about things like this when you want your 6 year old to be a model for a national company.
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Can you believe I am STILL reading the stack of #BeKindGetSigned ("
Not only can we believe it, we called it! We said she wanted the fun of running a not-a-contest but when it came to the actual work of going through the entries we'll be waiting awhile.
They had that whole week off, so Kate gets a tiny bit of credit for not pulling them out of school.
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They had school the Monday and Tuesday before Thanksgiving (Nov. 25, 26). They had off Wednesday through Monday over Thanksgiving break and went back to school on Tuesday, Dec. 3.
They were young and did not realize, but Kate filled them in.
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Yes or they just recognized it for what many people did, dating, and thought nothing of it. You sometimes have to date several women, or men, until you find the person you want to be with long term. You don't necessarily find the person you want to be with forever at your first rodeo. I didn't. It's lucky if you can and good for you picking the right one the first time, but some of us are not that lucky.
They had school the Monday and Tuesday before Thanksgiving (Nov. 25, 26). They had off Wednesday through Monday over Thanksgiving break and went back to school on Tuesday, Dec. 3.
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Not according to the school calendar. They call it a Staff Development/Student Holiday day.
I assume by holiday they mean off.
I'm not sure where you looked, but here it is:
Nov. 25 MS $ Dress Down Day
Nov. 26 End of Trimester 1/ LS Grandparents' Day
Nov. 27 Thanksgiving Break/NO SCHOOL
Dec. 3 Classes resume
☹ k a n y e ☹ @queengabbi 47m
why the hell is kate gosselin all over the tabloids
Kirby Fields @kirbmonsta 6m
Can we all stop pretending to care about Kate Gosselin now?
A lot of us were taken aback by his obvious anger, crude remarks and crass behavior. I think that I even wondered if it was somehow 'in character' in keeping w/the behavior of people on Couples Therapy.
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I think it was a long time coming, even before Oprah and the latest bad-boy interview.
In the roundtable interview he said "...I haven’t spoken in 4 years, so now I’m doing stuff and it is all coming out because I don’t care anymore."
It isn't any wonder he's fed up with Kate's assholeish behavior. She's batshit crazy and unfortunately she happens to be the mother of his children. It's a slippery slope for him because the more he pushes against her the more she'll do to piss him off. She'll use those kids as a shield and a weapon as long as she can. She's so bitter that he left, not her but the show, because there went her millions.
She would have been more than happy to carry on the Jon & Kate charade as long as the money was still rolling in. That's how much love that woman has inside her. It's all about money. That's ALL she talks about.
I don't want to link to it, but I'm looking at their actual school calendar for 2013-2014, week of Nov 25 is all off. A PDF file. It's right there in black, white and blue.
Guess one part of their web site is saying school, while another is saying no school. Odd. Although school web sites do sometimes post confusing things like this.
Mark Byron was in Divorce Corp. Read about Mark Byron's story. By all indications he is a good father, however he got really screwed in family law court after his wife made up some accusations against him and eventually he just said F-it I just don't care anymore. He posted a general, vague FB post about losing custody and all hell broke loose for him in court. The case got national attention.
I can't begin to understand what that's like and I suppose it's easy to lecture these men to get some self control, but Jon is certainly not the first otherwise good father to just feel like that's it I can't do it anymore I've had it with court, my ex and the whole situation.
I think men are coming from a different place too. Men are more focused on their pride in work and family than I think women are. Women tend to be more internally focused, pride is not as important to us, and don't take things as an insult to their womanhood like men take things as an insult to their manhood. I think that has something to do with the way so many of these men get so strung out and are so genuinely insulted by the family law courts making certain orders and are finally just saying SCREW IT!! Mark Byron reminded me so much of Jon in terms of his pent up frustration.
Paula said... 183
The constant talk about the girls clothing leads me to believe a clothing line is in the works for M&C. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Kate and the twins move to Cali to pursue their "careers
That thought i WAY out there..To have a teen clothing line, one has to have some type of fame and a following, a la Selena Gomez. These girls are not famous nor do they have any type of "following". They have not been on television for over 2 years and the viewing audience of Jon and Kate Plus 8 was hardly the teenage demographic
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Yes, my dd is 17. In middle school she followed the Hollister, Aero and Abercrombie (discount racks and Platos Closete) fashion. Now she's more into the edgy Urban Outfitters look. Neither she nor any of her friends idolize TFW. I have no idea where those teen fans of hers come from. They do like Friends and Full House reruns. J and K plus 8, no. Which reminds me, guess what came in the mail today? It's her People subscription so I'm leaving it on the table for her to read. I can't stomach to open it but I can't wait to hear what she has to say.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 23
Mark Byron was in Divorce Corp. Read about Mark Byron's story.
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I went to high school with a Mark Byron. No kidding.
Marissa Meleske @Marissa11586 9m
@Bethenny I think you were better off asking Kate Gosselin why her face no longer moves at all. Might have gotten a straight answer lmao
I imagine the girls were giddy with excitement. A trip to NYC, probably in a perk limo, hair, makeup, all the attention on them, no siblings invited. And it was probably an overnight too.
And here we here, boring real people, wondering why she was so quiet Thanksgiving week, no tweets about prepping for a holiday, nothing about setting tables for 'guests' or baking pies. Nope, Mumsy was in New York, so much more important than a family holiday. What family?
I was at Walmart today and they still had last week's issues of People on the racks. The new issue of InTouch with TFW was there. I skimmed it. Jon emphasizes throughout the article that Kate refuses to stop using the kids to stay relevant.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 2m
@Kateplusmy8 @peoplemag I have 2ask..What do the "littles" think of their big Sistas being on the cover? Alexis gets 1st response 2Mady! LOL
...and Milo is LOL'ing about it.
Paula said... 183
The constant talk about the girls clothing leads me to believe a clothing line is in the works for M&C. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Kate and the twins move to Cali to pursue their "careers
That thought i WAY out there..To have a teen clothing line, one has to have some type of fame and a following, a la Selena Gomez. These girls are not famous nor do they have any type of "following". They have not been on television for over 2 years and the viewing audience of Jon and Kate Plus 8 was hardly the teenage demographic
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It is a way out there idea, but when has that ever stopped Kate? Irrelevancy is of no concern to her. No one wanted a cookbook of her gross recipes, either. They still don't.. lol.
Yes or they just recognized it for what many people did, dating, and thought nothing of it. You sometimes have to date several women, or men, until you find the person you want to be with long term. You don't necessarily find the person you want to be with forever at your first rodeo.
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I'm not sure that kids going through the traumatic, vitriolic divorce of their parents would view it as simply as dating and playing the field. Especially when they have a mother who is all to eager to find fault with her ex and makes the kids a party to all of it for her benefit. Jon knew this about her and "dated", probably a lot, anyway.
@MiloandJack
@Kateplusmy8 @peoplemag I have 2ask..What do the "littles" think of their big Sistas being on the cover? Alexis gets 1st response 2Mady! LOL
Unbelievable! What in the heck is wrong with her!?#! Do you think she actually thought this was funny?
I just now read an article about the facebook apology.
So if your former wife IS indeed an evil, vindictive woman, you have to shutup and put up with it? If the tables were turned would the judge have ordered HER to post an apology on her facebook page? Or would he be told to stop being such a wuss and get over it? It makes you wonder.
@Kateplusmy8: @MiloandJack @peoplemag ALWAYS does such a lovely accurate honest job--pics and articles. They are #topnotch & a breath of fresh air!;)
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Until they don't. Do the die hard fans really believe this line of bullshit and can they not tell that the pictures are photoshopped/airbrushed? Poor deluded creatures. I hope that TFW remembers this statement especially when People turns on her because the twins get older and either give a real interview or do something stupid. There's a big shake up going on over there now so new management might not love her quite as much.
On 11/26 (Tuesday) Kate tweeted that Hannah was sick:
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8
Today, Hannah spent a sick day at home(not contagious)&Zorro spent the day on her lap &shoulder, watching tv&keeping her company #birdielove
When was this photo shoot? The move-in-day for the bird was on 11/24, and she introduced him on 11/25, according to Twitter.
So if your former wife IS indeed an evil, vindictive woman, you have to shutup and put up with it? If the tables were turned would the judge have ordered HER to post an apology on her facebook page? Or would he be told to stop being such a wuss and get over it? It makes you wonder.
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Exactly. They call it a feminine stacked system. Kate has said how many countless evil things about Jon but no one ever told her to apologize or stripped her of custody. But this man posts one comment out of frustration on his closed FB account and gets threatened with jail or an apology.
Another thing is that you can't join parents' rights groups or protest or report judges or report attorneys or report it to the media or make a big fuss in any manner without it backfiring on you. Even if something terrible is happening to you you have to just take it. There is no free speech in family law court, just the opposite. Those who are quiet little minions are rewarded and hey if you want to do well in your case I advise people to lay low. The problem too is there are some unstable people being very vocal and irrational and speaking out, but the stable ones like Mark Byron who have legitimate concerns about the system tend to get lumped all in together with the crazies. I have no doubt that Jon's attorneys also told him to just lay low and he's just sick of it. You can only do that so long.
I'm not sure that kids going through the traumatic, vitriolic divorce of their parents would view it as simply as dating and playing the field.
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Well whatever they thought, they thought nothing of it at the time for whatever reason. It wasn't until later they suddenly changed their tunes (after Kate got to them.) And they weren't babies. Weren't they almost 10 years old? Not stupid. Maybe Jon did a good job making sure they had limited knowledge of what he was up to or made sure he didn't bring any friends into the picture they didn't love. Who knows.
Local wow what a coincidence. I really feel for that man.
My ex dated about 4 women after our divorce when my dd was 2 1/2. I thought nothing of it except he was dating...who cares? Isn't that normal...I thought nothing of it and neither did my dd. He did wind up remarrying when she was about 11. But she turned out to be a narcissist.
David Cassidy moved in with his celebrity stepmother in Beverly Hills when he was a teenager and acted and tried to get his music career started from a young age. While it's true he didn't become famous until the end of his teen years he was part of that whole lifestyle for ages before that.
Until they don't. Do the die hard fans really believe this line of bullshit and can they not tell that the pictures are photoshopped/airbrushed?
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Yes, they believe it, and no, they can't tell that the photos have been airbrushed. They think that it's all Deanna, working her magic.
Kids think nothing of a lot of things. We impose adult thinking on them and shape how they're supposed to think about things. We should trust their first instinct on things.
If a kid's natural reaction is to view dad making new friends as just fine , that just proves it is our own learned inhibitions and prejudices and perhaps jealousy from the ex that is imposing those reservations about a new girlfriend on the child, and is not organic from the kids themselves.
I think Kate cares about who Jon dates is because he has moved on and how dare he do so.
She said during her hallmark interview "I can't control what he does with his life" I think that piss her off that she can't control him or what he does anymore.
Carole said... 35
Unbelievable! What in the heck is wrong with her!?#! Do you think she actually thought this was funny?
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We don't try to figure Milo out anymore just leave to MLOM lol.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 188
Does anyone remember when Jaden Smith did that interview with either Leno or Letterman, and he also came across as a spoiled and entitled smart ass. People were outraged over him too, couldn't believe the lip on that kid. I know he gets a few roles here and there, mostly on his dad's projects, but he is hardly the huge star that he could be.
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I do remember reading about the interview and the remarks were pretty severely against him and his dad. Most people who commented seemed to feel that this kid only gets movie roles because his father buys them for him (and I tend to agree). He does not come across as likeable or even wanting to be liked. I saw him and his dad on the Graham Norton show awhile ago. Will Smith can still put on the charm, but his son doesn't have that same ability. Best part of the show was when the actor who played Carlton on Fresh Prince of Bel Air showed up and all three danced for a little bit.
As this economy stayed depressed and people continue to feel financially insecure, entitled rich kids will rarely find much of an audience.
If someone tells me to "enjoy it while it lasts" it suggests to me that what I have is temporary. Hearing that as a child, it would evoke insecurity and uncertainty. I feel Kate reminds her children every day that if she doesn't get the television show she deserves, then the life they enjoy will be gone.
Didnt TFW have a failed clothing line for kids whe. She was at the height of popularity. It didnt fly then and it won't fly now. She doesn't have that much of a following to make it successful. A couple of teens from Podunk PA will not be considered fashion gurus. Something like this would be about as successful as, say, TFW writing, publishing and selling, oh I don't know, a cookbook!
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What's next? Justice?
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Nnnnnooooooooooooooooo. My oldest granddaughter (11 going on 12) loves that store. I get a headache every time I go in there. The. Colors. Are. So. Bright.
If I have to go in there and see cut-outs of the Gosselin twins and TFMJG (cause you know it would be a package deal) I won't be able to handle it.
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Best part of the show was when the actor who played Carlton on Fresh Prince of Bel Air showed up and all three danced for a little bit.
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For you Millicent. Everybody sing!! It's not unusual . . . . . Come on Milo, louder!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zS1cLOIxsQ8
You might hear " I hope I am doing a good job" ... but in the quiet of the night, many moms sadly worry they are NOT doing a good job.
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Excellent point, meagler. I can't be the only mom who worries in the dead of nite.
And if Kate thinks they're still 'somewhat struggling', I'd like her to live my life for a day. Just one day.
Exactly. They call it a feminine stacked system. Kate has said how many countless evil things about Jon but no one ever told her to apologize or stripped her of custody. But this man posts one comment out of frustration on his closed FB account and gets threatened with jail or an apology.
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Yeah push them until they snap. There's a good idea.
I can see where it leaves a man with the fight or flight response. Leave and they leave their kids behind or stay and they take the abuse. Take the kids and run and find out what kind of trouble they face then.
I lived through the 70's womens's movement and I'm all for the rights of women, until it's to the point where we are doing to men what we so adamantly objected to. That is not what it's about but there are a lot of misdirected, misinformed younger women out there who think it's just fine to treat a man like he's less than a human being because he left the relationship. And if there are kids involved they're used as pawns. Kate is a perfect example of this.
In order for the sequence of Jon knowing about the People cover before that interview, he would have had to known of it before 11/1. The interview was done right before he left for CT, but not published until late December. He was stuck on the plane on 11/1. Therefore, his irritation and anger was probably about the lawsuit and the continual pimping on twitter. It is possible that he may have known, but that would mean that she gave him notice about it, or, maybe one of the kids told him.
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It wasn't until later they suddenly changed their tunes (after Kate got to them.) And they weren't babies. Weren't they almost 10 years old? Not stupid. Maybe Jon did a good job making sure they had limited knowledge of what he was up to or made sure he didn't bring any friends into the picture they didn't love. Who knows.
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He may have done a good job at the time, but, 13 year old have more freedom than a 10 year old. Those headlines are out there for anyone to find, including the twins. It could be true that they didn't know when they were 10, but now that they know more about, they realize that it isn't normal. And, of course, TFW doesn't help anything with her flavor-of-the-month comments, but, to be fair, Jon was aware of the media attention he was receiving. This why people say he gets a pass--his behavior is always justified. One of the things I like about Jon is that he does seem to understand that his behavior was harmful. He has publicly apologized for it. So I don't see the value in minimizing his behavior. From that point of view, it will be very interesting to see whether his current behaviors mirror what we saw. If so, he will be confronted about it--as he should be.
There's some crazy stuff going on in the comments section of the people article. Some are giving details about an investigation that's going on...tfw involved with Twitter death threats and outing people. It's somewhat confusing but maybe this is the lawsuit Robert was referring to.
About that timeline: Why on earth did People post the photography session date on their front cover? Celebs get featured all the time, but I've never seen session dates posted alongside THEIR photos, have you? Makes me think it was important for someone (who?) to mark the timeframe somehow..
Interesting thoughts from People's managing editor Larry Hackett. This may explain why People has turned into more of a "National Enquirer" type publication lately. I think he's wrong as People's reputation has taken a big hit lately, but whatever.
Movie stars are no longer a sure thing for magazines anymore. “The era of the A-List movie star is over,” People managing editor Larry Hackett said at Advertising Week today. “I will confess, there were times in the ‘90s when we put people on the cover because they were huge stars, but the stories weren’t exactly scintillating. Now, the bar is higher. … People need a narrative arc.”.....Cagle said when choosing between two celebrities for EW, the star with the bigger
social media footprint (read: more engaged fans ) will likely win."
A-Listers Don't Sell Celeb Magazines the Way They Used To
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@Kateplusmy8: @MiloandJack @peoplemag ALWAYS does such a lovely accurate honest job--pics and articles. They are #topnotch & a breath of fresh air!;)
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Until they don't. Do the die hard fans really believe this line of bullshit and can they not tell that the pictures are photoshopped/airbrushed? Poor deluded creatures. I hope that TFW remembers this statement especially when People turns on her because the twins get older and either give a real interview or do something stupid. There's a big shake up going on over there now so new management might not love her quite as much.
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Reading backwards, so apologies if I missed prior posts.
I guess my question is, IF Kate Coyne was personally involved with Jon at some point, and then rejected by him (and not happy with the outcome),how is this People interview objective X amount of years later?
Since TFW has chosen to allow her 13 year old minor children to give interviews on parenting/parents choices publicly (which involves Jon), seems to me this is indeed a Family Court issue that needs to be pursued by Jon. It is just WRONG on so many levels. Why is any 13 year old giving an interview unless they have some motivation and why would any parent allow that?
Also…anyone else think there's text and subtext in the segment about TFW being called "annoying" by M & C? Think about it: What example came to mind for the twins, of all possible choices? Kate's insistent mispronunciation of the word "expensive."
Vanessa at 59, I looked but don't see those comments on the People thread. If they were posted yesterday, maybe they've been removed?
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Totally agree with you re: a clothing line. It would fail miserably. Kids outgrow Gymboree not in size maybe but in style before 4th grade, follow the Hollister route as you mentioned, then it's American Apparel, Urban Outfitter etc and designers if you're rich. Hopefully by the end of HS kids have their own style, a mish- mash of 'labels' for a look, not a brand. Target has some nice things in Juniors.. My dd has taken to checking out thrift stores, Salvation Army, etc with some great finds. No way would a M and C label fly IMO too.
Forgot to note that 4 years after the divorce, BOTH parents should have a say in filming/photographing/interviewing minors.
Not sure what these kids are getting the benefit of an impartial party ruling on the above issue, but it does need to be addressed. Jon has not been exemplary, granted, nor has Kate with this most recent interview, etc.. but that, IMO, does not mean that these kids do not need an advocate added to their Family Court order.
Intervention counseling should be required by Court for BOTH parents so they truly must put the kids first. Allowing 13 year olds to speak out on their parents 4 years later, is simply NOT an acceptable solution.
Did Kate make money to "support her kids" with this interview- not okay. Likewise with Jon using the "kids" to make money in the past.
They both need to move on with their lives, and leave the kids out of it. Enough already.
I am so sick of both of the parents. They need a private Family Court intervention re: their public statements, as well as TFW's most recent use of the twins for an interview. None of this is okay. And someone needs to stop both of them from their own egos, and parental alienation.
I know many "reality stars" want to keep things going, but they both are doing "their thing" at the expense of their kids. So wrong.
They both need to get their own life which does not involve the kids.
Vanessa said... 59
There's some crazy stuff going on in the comments section of the people article. Some are giving details about an investigation that's going on...tfw involved with Twitter death threats and outing people. It's somewhat confusing but maybe this is the lawsuit Robert was referring to.
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It has nothing to do with a lawsuit Robert is referring to. It's the ravings of what I call a "hard core hater." While some of what's being said is partially true, things have been blown way out of proportion. Supposedly this person is meeting with the FBI Tuesday.
JMO - It was Kate Major not Kate Coyne that was rumored to have hooed up with Jon. Jon denies it.
Vanessa at 59, I looked but don't see those comments on the People thread. If they were posted yesterday, maybe they've been removed?
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The comments are still there. You need to scroll down. They were posted yesterday by Jambalaya.
I don't know how sounding paranoid helps one's cause to convince others of their beliefs.
Paula - Apparenthly Larry Hackett is gone
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/01/11/business/media/editor-at-people-is-replaced-as-time-inc-prepares-for-spinoff.html …
Thanks NJGal51 - Having trouble keeping up with the drama : )
Regardless, at this juncture, all of these kids have more than earned their right to privacy (media, twitter, Kate's site,) articles, Jon etc
Both parents are very selfish in my opinion, both should have established themselves without using the kids constantly to gain fame many years later.
TFW's recent choice to have the twins do a People interview - was Jon even aware of this- and didn't this require his consent with use of his 2 thirteen year olds?
Ms. Nelson resigned last year in part because she was troubled by a policy requiring the editorial staff to report to the business side.
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I think this is a very interesting comment. This could mean that instead of just focusing on doing stories that matter or on what is really news from the standpoint of a journalist with the education and experience to spot and then frame the newsworthy narratives, they are focused on the bottom line. So if Joe Blow from accounting says hey look this vile Gosselin woman helped our numbers go up, then Kate Coyne from the news desk might say well hmmm I want us to make money what kind of pathetic story can I scrounge up about this family about nothing?
To a casual observer it might make sense for the two to work together since this is a for profit endeavor. But journalistic ethics forbid it. We never talked to the business side. Ever. I'm not sure they were even housed in the same building. If they were, it was a part of the building I never went to. We would put out the best publication we knew how, and they would worry about the money side of things. It was up to them to make money out of what we gave them, not tell us how to change it. I never, ever, ever saw anyone from business ever say.....hey we sold a bunch of extra issues when you profiled that person....hint hint.
If a story was newsworthy it would go in the publication, regardless whether it made us two bucks or a million bucks.
I can't be the only one who has completely lost any interest whatsoever in all the whining about lawsuits. To take a page from Joy, my god is it ever BORING.
People is part of the Time, Inc stable owned by Time Warner. Time Warner is spinning off its publication business due to ever decreasing print publications. It will be intereting to see how many, if any, of these print publications are around in 5 to 10 years. People, more than other publication, relies on its newsstand sales. Oooppssss...
I thought this was one of the best comments on the people site.
How sad that she allowed her 13 year olds to be interviewed. Many celebrities are scrambling to help shield their children from paparazzi and protect their privacy by speaking out for tougher laws -- Kate Gosselin willingly throws her children in front of the camera every chance she gets. Does she not realize (or care) that her daughters will be "fair game" for every reader to pick apart, criticize, insult or worse?
I agree, Admin. It's been going on for close to a year-threats, screen shots, subpoenas, calling police. And Kate's Twitter is still full of non-fans comments. Bully and the bois are still around. Same old story, different day.
Does anyone else think Jon looks especially cute in the picture at the top of this article?
And I don't think he has had any work done. Snark, snark!
NJGal51 said... 68
JMO - It was Kate Major not Kate Coyne that was rumored to have hooed up with Jon. Jon denies it.
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My apologies to Kate Coyne, since it was Kate Major who did the interview.
Yes my daughter lives theft stores and yes by Junior year they have their own sense of style. She wants Urban Outfitters when it's Christmas but Target and Salvation Army when it's her dime.
PS if you are goin to dye dark brown hair platinum blonde you're going to have to touch up you're roots a lot. You think someone would have done so before a national news photo shoot
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I don't know how sounding paranoid helps one's cause to convince others of their beliefs.
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Yup, I hear you.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2014/01/12/22254801-new-report-says-millions-of-women-at-risk-of-falling-into-poverty-economic-ruin?lite
Guess they can't relate to the twins or TFMJG
t has nothing to do with a lawsuit Robert is referring to. It's the ravings of what I call a "hard core hater." While some of what's being said is partially true, things have been blown way out of proportion. Supposedly this person is meeting with the FBI Tuesday.
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The ones who live on there and invent "facts," exaggerate. and tweet things that you know aren't just true? What does the FBI have to do in all of that? I can't keep up with the drama!
Jon was aware of the media attention he was receiving. This why people say he gets a pass--his behavior is always justified.
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He gets a pass because he was aware of the media attention he was receiving? I'm confused. Who is giving him a pass because he was/is in the media? He's getting a pass for what?
Gotta love the sheeple!
@thelovelyyone: Jon gosselin is on Couples Therapy on thursday and he says something about @Kateplusmy8. I swear he will do anything to keep his fame going
@ljohnson2006: I bet the girls asked that their mom be on the @peoplemag cover with them bc she plays a big role in their lives. @Kateplusmy8 is a gr8 mom
LOL to both of these tweets! If you were this dense, would you tweet and prove it?
Lauren @ljohnson2006 40m
I bet the girls asked that their mom be on the @peoplemag cover with them bc she plays a big role in their lives. @Kateplusmy8 is a gr8 mom
Lauren @ljohnson2006 44m
Don't people realize that tabloids print lies to make $? Don't take what they say about #kateplusmy8 and her family with a grain of salt.
So if it's not taken with a grain of salt, then it's to be believed? :)
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 3m
@MiloandJack @peoplemag ALWAYS does such a lovely accurate honest job--pics and articles. They are #topnotch & a breath of fresh air!;)
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Bookmark this page. Even People Mag won't be able to keep up the positive stories about Kate forever. We will see if they are still accurate and honest when that happens, or if they will turn into one of those dishonest rags overnight.
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Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 72
I can't be the only one who has completely lost any interest whatsoever in all the whining about lawsuits. To take a page from Joy, my god is it ever BORING.
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Can I get an AMEN?!
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LOL - thank you for the link :)
"Vanessa at 59, I looked but don't see those comments on the People thread. If they were posted yesterday, maybe they've been removed?"
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The BV/hacking/investigation posts are in the comment section on the People website. They are still there. What a convoluted mess. I'm surprised they haven't removed them.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 72
I can't be the only one who has completely lost any interest whatsoever in all the whining about lawsuits. To take a page from Joy, my god is it ever BORING.
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No, you're not alone :) With all the baloney that floats around about this woman or supposed lawsuits, I continue to stick to my "I'll believe it when I see credible proof of it" approach.
If and when another lawsuit is filed, I'm sure it will be quickly discovered with a link posted here. Until then, it's all so much punk talk to me.
Thanks Tweetle. As I continued to read, I kinda got the jist of it. And I thought "I" was too heavily invested!! Lol
Empress,they were there this morning. I had to keep "loading more comments" to see them.
Personally I see Jon as a real person with infinite patience, I see Kate as Batsh** Krazy.
I like his honestly and his kids will realize someday, he tried his best for THEM, not personal gratifications 24/7, unlike their mommydeareast.
Watching the new show on Food TV called "The Kitchen". They are starting a Cookbook Club where each week they bring on an author of a cookbook to talk and promote their book and recipes. Do you think Kate will be invited? LOL.
To a casual observer it might make sense for the two to work together since this is a for profit endeavor. But journalistic ethics forbid it. We never talked to the business side. Ever.
I agree Admin. Interestingly, Dan Rather was on Bravo's WWHL this week and when asked about network news today he said that the lines between journalism and entertainment are terribly blurred these days which I totally agree with.
It's all about attracting readers and viewers to generate revenue -- $$$$$.
I find it hilarious that she looks 100x better on the InTouch cover than on the People. Poetic justice.
Paula said... 74
Do you think Kate will be invited? LOL.
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Not if theirs a God or a producer with a brain lol's.
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How ironic that the twitter ad bot headlines say "Kate Gosselin Pimps Out Her Kids To Maintain Expensive Lifestyle Claims Jon Gosselin" at the same time People has her and the twins plastered on their cover -- for which she made plenty of money to maintain her expensive lifestyle!
Greedy Gosselinns 55: I have heard those who worry about whether they are doing a good job parenting are likely very conscientious and doing a great job!
Those who are confident they are doing a great job....well the opposite could be true.
However that said..... kids can grow up to be awesome adults with awful parenting, and awful adults with awesome parenting.
So, I guess we just need to make sure the worrying doesnt consume us ;)
Carole I don't think that was a coincidence at all!
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Totally agree. I thing TFW looks awful on the People cover. On the InTouch cover her hair has fullness as well as her face. You can see on the People cover how much weight she has lost with how thin her face is. Plus the long, straight stringy hair style doesn't help. Guess People magazine didn't comp for a hair stylist.
Did any once notice that Kate's hands look werid on the people cover with her and the girls?
Looks like her right hand is coming from someone else who stuck it in the camera at the last second.
My apologies to Kate Coyne, since it was Kate Major who did the interview.
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Too many Kates. Kate Major is the one who was employed by a tabloid several years ago, and was rumored to have been involved with Jon. She since has had a child with Michael Lohan.
Kate Coyne is the one who did the People interview with Kate and the twins. She has not (at least not to my knowledge) ever been romantically linked with Jon. Kate, maybe, but not Jon!
I agree, Admin. It's been going on for close to a year-threats, screen shots, subpoenas, calling police. And Kate's Twitter is still full of non-fans comments. Bully and the bois are still around. Same old story, different day.
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Who is being sued this time around? The latest subpoena was issued to whom, and why is the cruise vetter's name on it? Is this a suit apart from the one that was allegedly filed on behalf of those on Twitter (and the other blog) who were damaged somehow by the haters?
Is there no end to this?
Speaking of non-fans comments. I checked a timeline. I see the same few names there on a daily and nightly basis. In a 24-hour period, one of them was absent for six hours. The rest of the time was spent on Twitter. If this isn't an addiction or obsession, it certainly comes close. Who does this...and why?
I just read in our local online news that the average salary in LancCo for registered nurses is $30.62 an hour. Based on a forty hour work week, then, her monthly salary would be $4,899.20. Is she interested?
Guess she made out much better in that cover photo/interview. As long as she doesn't have to work, why would she? The Phoenix will keep rising, and something new will come along. Until then, I guess it's just back to piecin and patchin and/or moderately strugglin.
Can you believe I am STILL reading the stack of #BeKindGetSigned ("
Not only can we believe it, we called it! We said she wanted the fun of running a not-a-contest but when it came to the actual work of going through the entries we'll be waiting awhile.
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My MIl had and has been recovering from open heart surgery in the time that Kate can't manage to read a handful of stories.
Pa-fucking-thetic.
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This why people say he gets a pass--his behavior is always justified.
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That was really unclear--I think I didn't paste my whole comment. Most of my comments aren't publishing for some reason, is I am not always sure if I am reporting or not.
Anyway, my comment was about why some people think Jon gets a pass. I thought this was a good example of it: the many comments that the twins either didn't notice or think much of them because it was relatively important that he dates a string (yes, it was a string!) of young women, even before the divorce was finalized. Assumptions were made that the twins only decided it wasn't normal because Kate told them that. I was saying that it was possible that they were unaware at age 10, but now, because they are teens and have access to the internet, that they only became aware of his girlfriends recently. And, since they live in Paa, and not LA, and their friends parents are not celebs, they now realize that this is not normal. Whatever Kate did, Jon did do those things with full knowledge that his activities were being reported and that his children would one day read them. He has accepted that he is responsible for harming them, and publicly apologized to them. So why do people here continue to insist that his acting out publicly was OK, and that TFW must have made a big deal of it to them? This is why I think people still say that Jon gets a pass. It's fine if people don't think it is harmful, but you will have a very hard time getting any professional therapist to say that it was not. The twins were approaching puberty at age 10, which is a very vulnerable time in their physical and emotional development and their ability to develop trusting romantic relationships will certainly be impacted--IMO of course. Anyone is free to disagree, but I am speaking from professional experience in working with adolescents and their families on an inpatient psych ward. These kids were suicidal, depressed, addicted and/or had eating disorders that were serious enough to require hospitalization.
I, too, believe TFW would have kept up the charade of a marriage until the end of time to keep the money train rolling down the track. Not a good or healthy way to live and apparently, Jon had enough and is still being blamed for the family losing their millionaire lifestyle.
TFW wants total control of her little money makers. She needed Jon for a while, but his usefulness was short-lived and we all know what I'm talking about. Those kids were born out of TFW's gigantic ego.
We are all smart enough to know that Jon has figured all of this out. Who wouldn't be angry? Some of the children will realize it, too. Sad for them. Someday they might begin to wonder where all of their friends and relatives went. Looks like no one has stayed around too long. This is truly a horrible story. Don't need to read anyone's book, just review the tapes and the stories that appeared in the local paper. Not flattering at all. Of course, any normal person would still be suffering the embarrassment of being publicly fired by the coupon website! Please note the use of the word "normal."
One thing I noticed in the 2014 People book was that 3 girls have braces and zero boys have them, and all of their teeth are terribly misaligned.
Hmmmm....
Speaking of non-fans comments. I checked a timeline. I see the same few names there on a daily and nightly basis. In a 24-hour period, one of them was absent for six hours. The rest of the time was spent on Twitter. If this isn't an addiction or obsession, it certainly comes close. Who does this...and why?
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The fans, also, spend multiple, consecutive hours online immersing themselves in the same stuff the non- fans do. Alleged or pretend lawsuits and subpoenas ( who knows what's true!) are threatened by the fans continually and while it may not be BV doing the tweeting these days, his "employees" do so. Much of it plays off of Twitter and off Kate's timeline. Apparently the detective who's so defective had lunch or dinner with one of BV's pals and wrote about it on her blog. Can we say giddy - like a 15 year old asked to the prom. Both sides continue to threaten but, like Admin and others have said, until these lawsuits etc see the light of day, it's simply a case of let's see who can the most rise out of the most people.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 74
I can't be the only one who has completely lost any interest whatsoever in all the whining about lawsuits. To take a page from Joy, my god is it ever BORING.
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I wish I had a nickel for every time someone in this mess mentioned a lawsuit/criminal charges. Oy Vey!
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Ex Nurse -- I don't see anyone here saying Jon's behavior was OK. Understandable, yes. Expectable, maybe. Ok, no. There's a HUGE difference between understanding the causes of and reasons for behavior and condoning that behavior.
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Carole I don't think that was a coincidence at all!
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Oh, I don't either, and what is so funny is that the sheeple don't get it. LOL
"One thing I noticed in the 2014 People book was that 3 girls have braces and zero boys have them, and all of their teeth are terribly misaligned.
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Tucker's Mom, I've been wondering the same thing for awhile. The kids who do wear braces are the older twins, and Hannah. It looks like all the boys could use orthodontia.
Ex-Nurse, I agree that most of us do not excuse Jon's behavior, but we are less involved emotionally than you seem to be. He is also not the parent who is marketing his children for profit, nor is he the parent who bad mouths the other parent, well as far as we know. They are both immature, and clearly flawed, but he is not the parent with the issues that are crying out for intervention by trained medical professionals IMO. I find discussing JG ad nauseum as tiring as the speculation about lawsuits. Of course, all this could change when he and Liz are finally seen and heard on that show we all wish he had not done.
I do think all the kids will have braces. Leah needs them too. It may just be when their teeth are ready. TFW wouldn't want a flawed child.Wonder if Aadan will have contacts soon?
"One thing I noticed in the 2014 People book was that 3 girls have braces and zero boys have them, and all of their teeth are terribly misaligned.
Hmmmm.... "
TFW actually addressed this on twitter a few months ago when people noticed the boys needing work and said they'd all be getting them eventually. Who decided who got them first or last, idk.
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''.......So why do people here continue to insist that his acting out publicly was OK, and that TFW must have made a big deal of it to them? This is why I think people still say that Jon gets a pass. It's fine if people don't think it is harmful, but you will have a very hard time getting any professional therapist to say that it was not. The twins were approaching puberty at age 10, which is a very vulnerable time in their physical and emotional development and their ability to develop trusting romantic relationships will certainly be impacted--IMO of course. Anyone is free to disagree, but I am speaking from professional experience in working with adolescents and their families on an inpatient psych ward. These kids were suicidal, depressed, addicted and/or had eating disorders that were serious enough to require hospitalization.''
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OK. I simply can't let this comment slide with no comment!
To even suggest that the Gosselin children will face possible ''suicidal, depressed, addicted and/or had eating disorders that were serious enough to require hospitalization'' due to JON DATING a string of women after he left TFW is absurd.
It is not only absurd, but it totally ignores the children being physically abused when small and controlled to this day into little robot workers by their mother.
I am stunned that you, as a ''professional experience in working with adolescents and their families on an inpatient psych ward'' would even think such a thing, much less post those thoughts on a public blog.
Just read this on Kates TL: that kate coyne is doing the talk show rounds, and justifying her interview with Kate & twins, and defending Kate.
I just came back from Walmart,Target Tonys Food and they had a lot of people mag on the stand, I even watch people standing in line to see if they pick up the mag and read it , none that I could see.
Two things: the twins will reappear on People again and as one person said: the tups will be on the People cover for their 10th b-day. We should start taking a poll on this.
The twins interview was NOV 25. Kate did not need to notify Jon that they were doing it. She has total control over that.
Jon's interview was published Dec. 27th.
I believe that he found out about the twins interview, probably from the twins, after the fact. That would explain the height of his anger during his interview.
My parents divorced and my father had a string of ladies. For years. It didn't adversely affect me in any way. I lived with my mother and only saw my father every other weekend. The ladies would visit and hang out with us, and it just was nice to have a woman to spend some time with. It didn't corrupt me for life, or scar me. Even as an adult, it doesn't affect me. Eventually he married one of those ladies and we are close today. At 13, I didn't care enough, nor did I have the ability to reflect on his behavior or to moralize it.
If the Gossein kids have those issues due to their father dating a few women, and it was a few, then the 80% of children from split families whose parents go on to date and remarry are at the same risk. I really doubt that 8 out of 10 kids from split homes are suicidal. What's more, they THOUGHT NOTHING OF IT. Repeat, they THOUGHT NOTHING OF IT.
If anything, they are going to be far more angry, resentful and bitter at Kate, who brainwashed them into making a mountain out of a molehill about their own father who did what many other warm blooded parents have chosen to do. The kids were fine about the dating, they didn't even care. Even now when Kate tried to brainwash them about it, they never said they were upset, uncomfortable, dismayed. They were, despite Kate's efforts, cracking a little joke about it and casually saying hm guess that wasn't normal (according to whom? Hint girls, that WAS normal for 80% of split people). As sad as it is, it was probably better to divorce when the kids were so young. Their parents split and being with other people is their normal. Incidentally, my friends I spoke about awhile back who not only loved the man their mom was dating but asked her to please marry him, were almost exactly the same ages as the twins and the tups when their mom got divorced. They adjusted absolutely fine to her dating and in fact supported it. (She dated three men seriously before marrying.) The first man she seriously dated, who was a coworker, came to her son's birthday party, those photos are in the family albums just like all the other birthday parties and they are still friends.
There are far many other things done to these kids to be concerned about than that. Time to get over it and move on.
I glanced through the interview while at the store today. I was struck by the lack of photos. The photos they do have (3? maybe 4?), usually one person has a "face". One photo of both girls, one is making a face at the other. A photo of the three of them, Kate is making a face at the girls. The sweetest photo of love between the three of them is the cover photo (which isn't much.) I think their photo shoot wasn't very successful.
The story where Cara says "you hate me" is told by Kate, seemingly as a "what a good mother I am" story. It's seriously disturbing. Like the stories she included in "I Just Want You to Know". And she describes the girls as being so mature and handling things, but that disturbs me most of all. She says the girls are dealing with things on their own, and acts like that's fine and working, but then says she's learned that she has to warn the girls now because kids are talking about things at school.
None of them look truely happy in any of the photos. It's very sad.
Catching up with Couples Therapy and Taylor and Farrah are such a hoot together. I think it's so funny Taylor fancies herself sort of Farrah's mentor. It struck me as so funny when Taylor said Farrah is the most self absorbed person she has ever met. Does that include herself? That certainly says a lot, lol. Did Farrah's lips always look like this?
''.......So why do people here continue to insist that his acting out publicly was OK,
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No one has ever insisted any such thing was okay, not now or ever. That's just how you keep insisting on seeing it.
I like the lesbian couple whose problems are so child's play compared to everyone else. She talked to another girl at the bar and the other one got upset. LOL.
I rewatched the interview special that Kate did with that Natalie Morales? Kate herself says it all in the interview. It's just in Kate speak.
The interview was done in Oct of 09. In it Kate says that she and Jon had conversations "sometime last year" (that would be 08) on where their relationship was going. She admits that in Jan of 09, they were struggling, and says that she had to file suit because Jon's goals changed and became detrimental/harmful to her goals.
Mama, I think you can't paint this stuff with a broad brush. Not every chid views dating as a threat. I think a lot of it stems from one or all of three things. One do they actually like the other man or woman (are they kind to the child, a good person, a good match, treat dad or mom right). Two do they not feel threatened at all that this person is replacing their bio mom or dad. Three, do they not feel threatened at all that this person would take away their parent's time or love from them.
It's a testament to Jon that he was able to fulfill all three things such that his girls thought nothing of it. There is no reason to be upset if all those three things are satisfied. Same for my friends, all three things were satisfied for them by their mother, and they felt all positive about her dating (their bio dad also remarried although not for several more years). He even walked his stepdaughter down the aisle a few years back, it was very emotional. He WAS their dad, they had two dads.
The stories Kate tells in an effort to look cute or a good mom are often disturbing, aren't they?
Farrah: I'm an entrepreneur. Baw-hahaha.
Several people have said that Jon gets a pass, and I am trying to explain that statements that seem to minimize the trauma to the kids for Jon's behavior can be seen as giving him a pass. That's all...not trying to say anything more than that.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 116
If the Gossein kids have those issues due to their father dating a few women, and it was a few, then the 80% of children from split families whose parents go on to date and remarry are at the same risk. I really doubt that 8 out of 10 kids from split homes are suicidal. What's more, they THOUGHT NOTHING OF IT. Repeat, they THOUGHT NOTHING OF IT.
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I think it's tough on kids when a parent dates, but I think if they know they come first, they adjust to the change.
Having a string of girlfriends? So what?
If Jon's focus was on his kids, then let him date whomever.
You know what I think is worse? Kate's constant harping about getting married again and involving the kids in it to the point that, apparently, they are so preoccupied with it, that they converse and even build Lego wedding mock ups.
Now that's some sick shite.
When the rubber meets the road, when it gets *real*, is when a parent gets married. Short of that isn't really a threat to the child.
So, lets hear M+C tell us how f'ed up it is to hear their mother talk about getting married again, so much, that they apparently obsess over it.
Let's hear M+C tell us about how Kate yammers on about marrying another man every month, week, day and second.
If they can rationalize that Jon's string of gf's isn't healthy, I think they can figure out that Kate's obsession with finding another husband is just as bad.
Cuts both ways, sheeple.
Yes, we never hear the girls preoccupied with Jon or his dating. I've never seen them build lego structures acting out fantasies of daddy marrying again. And he's far more likely to do it than Kate given he actually IS in a relationship.
Jon doesn't preoccupy his kids with that aspect of his life as most good parents would not because that is not normal or healthy for them to be concerned with that.
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Jon is definitely blamed for the loss of the million-dollar lifestyle. Many of the sheeple still bash him for ending the show. But the fact is that Kate and the kids still had the show--just not a show with him. They couldn't carry a show in their own, and that's not Jon's fault. Kate even said once that they never stopped filming. Problem is, the kids weren't little and cute anymore, and Kate's behavior made people cringe. Are the sheeple saying that Jon is necessary to "sell" the family for a show? If he's such a loser, like they claim, then why couldn't Kate and the kids maintain their ratings without him?
Kate may be doing herself a huge disservice by refusing to appear with Jon. The tension between the two of them kept viewers coming back. They would probably get decent ratings by doing something together, even if it's just an update special, but she won't agree to it. So, she sits there in Pennsylvania dreaming of a second chance that doesn't seem to be coming. She has nobody but herself to blame.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...(116)
"If the Gossein kids have those issues due to their father dating a few women, and it was a few, then the 80% of children from split families whose parents go on to date and remarry are at the same risk. I really doubt that 8 out of 10 kids from split homes are suicidal. What's more, they THOUGHT NOTHING OF IT. Repeat, they THOUGHT NOTHING OF IT."
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Yet, these same kids have been "begging Mommy" to get a boyfriend and get remarried?
They've set a place at the table for Mommy's GrowABoyfriend and built Lego monuments to a wedding day, all posted on Twitter for the world to see.
Jon's semi-private relationships after their separation, 4 years ago, are an issue now. Yet Kate letting her 13 year old daughters being asked about it, their answers being purely for public consumption, criticism and condemnation, isn't a problem?
Someone slap me then pass me a Rumspringa, make it a double.
How does this woman get away with this bullshit? How does she still have any supporters?
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Gee, if Kate ever gets a dating show, wait until her kids see her "line of men" dating her! That will screw with their heads for sure.
The twins were approaching puberty at age 10, which is a very vulnerable time in their physical and emotional development and their ability to develop trusting romantic relationships will certainly be impacted--IMO of course.
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Jon and Kate split in spring of 2009. The twins weren't approaching puberty when Jon went on his dating "excursions." They were 8 1/2 years old. His '"running around" didn't last that long, and he then began his relationship with Ellen in 2010 that lasted two years.
"So why do people here continue to insist that his acting out publicly was OK, and that TFW must have made a big deal of it to them?"
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I don't recall anyone insisting that his acting out publicly was acceptable behavior. In fact, I remember that what was said was that after living with Kate for 10 years, it didn't come as a surprise. However, the behavior wasn't condoned.
Apparently the detective who's so defective had lunch or dinner with one of BV's pals and wrote about it on her blog. Can we say giddy - like a 15 year old asked to the prom.
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According to Aesop's fable, you are known by the company you keep.
I think the cute babies were a foot in the door but at the end of the day the real staying power of the show was people liked watching the dynamic between Jon and Kate--they loved to be horrified. Without that it would have been just another one of the large families shows that came and went.
I think at the end of the day Kate knows what the real hook of the show was (her and Jon), and resents Jon because she never really could make a serious go at this without him. And she will never forgive him for that. She is bitter and hateful that she NEEDS him to make her millions and bitter and hateful that after he left things were never the same again.
To some extent this is also why she hates Aunt Jodi, because people liked her and the show undoubtedly did well with her on it. She was the show's Ethel. Not the main draw of the show, but without her something is missing. And Kate will never forgive her either just like Jon.
Not only can we believe it, we called it! We said she wanted the fun of running a not-a-contest but when it came to the actual work of going through the entries we'll be waiting awhile.
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My MIl had and has been recovering from open heart surgery in the time that Kate can't manage to read a handful of stories.
Pa-fucking-thetic.
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I'm included to believe that she didn't really get all that many, and with the few that she got she doesn't know what to do with, especially since the rules and regulations questions were brought up. She might still be trying to figure out what's legal and what isn't.
Golden Globes tonight! I'm glued to the Red Carpet.
Wonder if Ms. Kreider is there... a piecin's and a patchin'
IT's a shame Jon missed all this CT drama because of his delayed flight, I hate that I'm watching this and GETTING INTO IT lol. I mean Farrah and Taylor are just sooo....addicting?
I agree that Kate hates Jon and blames him for the loss of her tv "career", but after 4 years, enough is enough. Who holds onto that kind of hate?
She might still be trying to figure out what's legal and what isn't.
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If that's the case, we're gonna be here awhile. This is a woman who thinks that Carlos Gosselin having the name Gosselin, a surname that has been his family for generations, was "not legal."
You know, I really haven't taken the comparisons of Kate to Mom Kardasian until now. Kate tweeted a thank you to People and said to the effect that this was the girls' "first" cover shoot.
So, I think Kate wants the girls to be tabloid fodder.
I'll be surprised if some or most of the kids don't say "screw college, I just made $75 for a photo shoot, or 6-figures for a reality tv show appearance."
To some extent this is also why she hates Aunt Jodi, because people liked her and the show undoubtedly did well with her on it
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Aunt Jodi is everything Kate is not. Warm, nurturing, kind and most of all, maternal.
Who holds onto that kind of hate?
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Or who preoccupies their 13 year olds with some things that happened during the middle of a extremely contentious divorce for but a moment in time four years ago? That's really nuts. I cannot even believe that this is still brought up. I understand the People article brought it up this time, but a poster here has done their fair share of bringing it up for no reason whatsoever.
So, I guess we just need to make sure the worrying doesnt consume us ;)
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Exactly, Meagler. I know worry is a wasted emotion and nothing is accomplished....but we're raising little humans here! It's so important to get it right.
We are flying to California in about a month. Aunty W. is just the neatest, most down to earth lady. She gets up before we do in the am and goes to do water aerobics in the pool. Outside!! We're very excited and I'm working furiously on finishing the photo album for her. Thanks to all who gave the idea!!
"One thing I noticed in the 2014 People book was that 3 girls have braces and zero boys have them, and all of their teeth are terribly misaligned.
Hmmmm.... "
I think it is a bit premature to infer the boys get the short end of the stick concerning their teeth. Kate did say previously that a lot of the kids will be needing ortho work. I loathe the woman but I don't think she would be that stupid and neglectful to deny the boys dental work.
Admin said, "I understand the People article brought it up this time, but a poster here has done their fair share of bringing it up for no reason whatsoever."
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Amen! My gosh! Let it go already. It happened five years ago. FIVE YEARS! There's such a thing as moving on, and I think it's long past that time!
Admin- How long did your friend date these men before introducing them to her children? And how old were her children? That is the key here, not the fact that Jon was dating so soon after the separation/divorce.
I don't care who you are or how well-adjusted or resilient your kids are, it is not healthy to introduce your kids to every single person you date.
My kids were 11 and 14 when I got divorced, and when I started dating again, I didn't introduce my kids to anyone except for the one guy that I was seeing for about two months and thought might be "the one". Turns out he wasn't, but my kids did like him and they were both disappointed that we broke up. Of course they were old enough to understand such things.
On the other hand, I have a friend who introduces her kids to every single guy she dates, which could be every week sometimes. Let me tell you, whether you want to believe it or not, it does affect kids very negatively. She has three kids, 5, 7, and 10 years old. Every one of them acts out, gets in trouble at school, etc. They are crying out for help and attention. Can you imagine, being so young and having your family split, only seeing your dad once a week and every other weekend, then having a new man pop up every couple weeks?
I'm not saying that that's what happened with Jon and his kids, I'm
just saying that it is not healthy. I should probably run and duck for cover for saying this, but I agree with ExNurse and her statement about kids becoming depressed, addicted, suicidal. I don't think she was suggesting that the Gosselin kids were going to kill themselves tomorrow, but that long-term affects of seeing this behavior from parents can negatively impact kids and as they get older they don't know how to have healthy relationships, which could lead to depression, addiction, etc.
Who holds onto that kind of hate?
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Hating someone is easy but forgiving someone that you believe did you wrong is hard as hell trust me I've been their.
But once you truly forgive someone you'll feels so much better all around.
The thing is, a lot of people seem to think that Jon's behavior negatively impacted the children, and that they noticed. I don't believe it did. They were so used to new people coming and going anyway. So another couple ladies came and went. I really don't believe that would be a big deal to the kids, especially when we are talking about 3 women here until he got into a long term relationship. I don't believe that the kids were so absorbed in their parents lives for that to negatively impact them.
A national cover, and a national interview, however, is a different story. That will definately have a personal negative impact on those girls.
Kate admits in the interview that things are talked about at school. I feel bad for those girls and what they will have to deal with Monday morning.
Seriously, what does the woman do all day?!?!? Her kids are in school. She leaves them to do everything around the house. Obviously her hair appointments are now few and far between. She has no job. Is she just sitting there all day googling herself??? To the point where she can't even finish this silly "contest that's not a contest"?!?
Or really is it that she has realized she has nothing to hold people's interests and she has to cling on to this gimmic for as long as she possibly can cuz there's nothing else left?
I also want to say that I whole heartedly agree that Kate is doing more damage to her kids as far as having healthy relationships. She teaches them that if someone pisses you off, you show them the door and pretend they don't exist.
And this nonsense of the kids begging her to remarry is beyond ridiculous. Kids generally seem to have a secret wish that mom and dad will get back together.
My ex-husband got married this summer, and my daughter, who is 18 now, said to me "Well, I guess there's no hope for you and dad anymore, is there?" I was stunned, because I have never given any indication that that was something I hoped for, plus he married the person that he divorced me to be with! She said she knew I was over him, but she still had a little space in her heart that hoped we would get back together and be a real family.
So I seriously doubt the Gosselin kids are rooting for a new man for Mom. If anything, she's the one starting such conversations and putting those ideas in their heads.
She really needs to stop discussing their dad, the divorce, dating, finances, etc with her kids. Not healthy at all.
I think it is a bit premature to infer the boys get the short end of the stick concerning their teeth. Kate did say previously that a lot of the kids will be needing ortho work. I loathe the woman but I don't think she would be that stupid and neglectful to deny the boys dental work.
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I'm with you on that one. I'm sure that the boys had ortho visits and plans were made according to the phases of treatment. Not every child is ready for braces at the same time. To say that she's denying them treatment because she doesn't like icky boys is really carrying it too far.
Kids outgrow Gymboree not in size maybe but in style before 4th grade, follow the Hollister route as you mentioned, then it's American Apparel, Urban Outfitter etc and designers if you're rich...my dd has taken to checking out thrift stores, Salvation Army, etc with some great finds.
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The thrift stores have actually become "cool" places to shop with teens of all ages and college kids, which is kind of interesting to see. The Salvation Army and the Goodwill stores around here are usually hopping with young people (although I've actually been hearing complaining about Goodwill's prices going up to compare with Plato's Closet!) So different from when I was in school.
It looks like Kate was at American Eagle today, if tweet is to be believed, and the older two would be sliding in that direction now. (Unless she went there for HERSELF, which I guess wouldn't surprise me!)
MARIE @MY_2BCOLLIES 20s
@CJWhodunit @Kateplusmy8 That seems to be the same consensus from everyone that bought Kate's cookbook, that everyone loves everything in it
Can't stop laughing over that one. If nothing else, these sheeple certainly are humorous, whether they try to be or not!
Yes, indeed. everyone who made Kate's recipes can't get enough of them. That's why someone's dog turned up his nose at a prepared dish, or why some had pizza delivery on speed dial, or why gallons of water were required after the sodium-laced dishes! Good stuff there, especially the tuna mac and cheese. So original. Yay! Yum! Delish!
The books just flew off the shelves because every recipe was so great. Sales boomed, the book was in high demand and the stores couldn't keep them in stock. They went back to the publisher for what -- the 200,000th printing?
They also went through more than 11 nannies and caregivers during this time, and by Kate's own admission a revolving crew door. Their normal was a revolving door of people. I have to say it took some getting used to working in a house in which on any given day someone was fired or left and someone new brought in, and a wide variety of people of all sorts showed up for dinner to talk various projects, and the phone rang off the hook back in the days when people used phone instead of texts, but you get used to a driveway packed with cars on any given Wednesday and a revolving door of people you might never see again. The kids really and truly had NO idea, none, that this was odd. They knew not to get too attached to anyone other than family and friends and they understood at a young age that people come and go, as is true for everyone. They could literally walk right by a business meeting at the kitchen table and not even see the faces there. They weren't being rude, they just had many other things going on to worry about all the people who were involved in some form with their parents. I'll always laugh remembering my first day there and I walked right by three of the kids and they didn't even see me, literally didn't see me--they were used to people walking by .Now stability may be better in the long run for kids, but it doesn't change the fact that they adapted to this kind of lifestyle just fine. Kids adapt extremely well. They have nothing to compare their lives to so their normal is normal to them. What is shocking for adults (eleven nannies! A revolving door of crew! Dad's dating women!) is shocking because that's maybe not our normal. But it was for them. I don't see a shred of evidence any of this is having any long term affects on them or that placing a lot of people in a child's life is necessarily bad for them as long as their parents and friends are stable.
It was being spoiled by the lavish lifestyle the show brought and indulged by Kate in what appears to be an attempt to curry favor with them over Jon, that appears to have messed them up the most to date. Later on I think fame itself and what happened to their money will be troubling for them, but that hasn't really hit them yet. But I just can't see them shedding many tears on the therapist's coach over the fact that they happened to have quite a few adults come through their lives. They also may have some questions why the people who really mattered, like Aunt Jodi, were ripped from their lives.
Hi librarylady, haven't see you post in a while :)
Anyone know where Pink is btw?
Before I post these tweets I check out the tweeter to make sure they're not a hater sock (less than 20 tweets is a clue). This one has 550:
Wheezy @WhyWheezy 9 Jan
People magazine will be in many, many homes of the classmates of the kids @KatePlusMy8 but u had to get back at Jon. #HateKills
To say that she's denying them treatment because she doesn't like icky boys is really carrying it too far.
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I said NOTHING of the kind.
I just would not be surprised if the girls had their orthodontia needs met first because Kate so obviously favors the girls.
Look at how cheap Kate was with their school clothes! She made them wear clothing 3 sizes too big to save money!
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That's what normally happens with kids when there's remarriage- the fantasy is o-v-e-r. Zero chance of parents reuniting.
And really, what do you think these kids think of marriage anyway. They were told over and over and over that Mommy and Daddy are renewing their vows because they'll be together FOREVER. I highly doubt they're thinking that Kate getting married is a good thing, or that it means anything at all, really.
Kate HATES Jon with a passion and she's cut off just about their entire family, so the kids' view of marriage, family and any sense of permanency has to bit a bit skewed, to say the least.
Tucker's Mom said... 130
So, lets hear M+C tell us how f'ed up it is to hear their mother talk about getting married again, so much, that they apparently obsess over it.
Let's hear M+C tell us about how Kate yammers on about marrying another man every month, week, day and second.
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Or how she can't find a husband because no one wants a bunch of kids, baggage...what else does she say as an excuse why she can't get someone to love her?
I wonder how many times we can find where and what excuse she uses as to why dating is hard. Most of the time it's because of the kids, but the cupcake man, she didn't have enough time for someone with dietary requirements. Can you believe that?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcaqMlvLzmk
the fact that Jon was dating so soon after the separation/divorce.
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Kate said to Jon-(that she admit) with Natalie Morales that she was done with him/ It's wasn't workinf anymore in mid 2008.
And Jon supposedly start his badboyness in June of 2009.
Who holds onto that kind of hate?
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It depends. Some kids feel more secure when they know what's going on. They feel you are keeping something from them to not introduce them. Others do better not knowing. This was so long ago, I could' tell you all the specifics of it. I was a kid myself. I just remember her dating and that there were three men over the course of dating and she married the third. Three times a charm.
Even so, we don't know that Jon introduced the kids to everyone.
Blackfish was named number 12 of the 25 best movies of the year by Yahoo!
I said NOTHING of the kind.
I just would not be surprised if the girls had their orthodontia needs met first because Kate so obviously favors the girls.
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Sorry, Tucker's. I didn't say that you did say that. I was agreeing with Paper Plates. It's been commented here in the past that Kate favors the girls and therefore the boys suffer (denied dental treatment), and there's a discussion on Twitter that Kate's boys need braces but she neglects them because they are icky boys. It could be that the girls were ready for treatment and the boys weren't. We just don't know. Not all kids' teeth/mouths develop at the same rate.
Just read this on Kates TL: that kate coyne is doing the talk show rounds, and justifying her interview with Kate & twins, and defending Kate.
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See this is what I mean. Kate Coyne has inserted herself into this story. She is a character in the Gosselin mess, she is a player. That is not what a good journalist does. You are not the story.
I think she writes this drivel as much for her own ego and to get her own mug in the media than anything else. A good journalist lets the story speak for itself and doesn't need to do the talk show rounds explaining it or justifying it.
I am never going to buy into a parent dating makes kids suicidal. For goodness sake. If there are any stats on that at all, if at all, I'm sure it was due more to the parent doing dating all wrong, and is an insult to parents who always put their kids first when dating. Stepdad's oldest kid and mom's kid are each happily married with a baby, the remaining kids including the two they had together are too young to get married but all have nice significant others. They have always had very healthy and appropriate relationships. I love their significant others.
It could be that the girls were ready for treatment and the boys weren't. We just don't know. Not all kids' teeth/mouths develop at the same rate.
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Thanks. DH had his braces at 13, but that was a while ago.
I think kids get them earlier nowadays.
I don't believe Kate would deny braces to the boys, but I wouldn't put it past her to have the girls' done first.
Maybe the boys are just developing slower or something.
They're all so small.
, but the cupcake man, she didn't have enough time for someone with dietary requirements. Can you believe that?
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Nah uh Mr cupcake man didn't even know who KG was lolz and how dare he not know the supera tar that is KG.
I am never going to buy into a parent dating makes kids suicidal. For goodness sake. If there are any stats on that at all, if at all, I'm sure it was due more to the parent doing dating all wrong, and is an insult to parents who always put their kids first when dating.
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Who has said that a parent's dating makes a child suicidal?
http://worldcongress.org/wcf2_spkrs/wcf2_fagan.htm
from the article-
Finally it increases behavioral, emotional and psychiatric risks, including suicide.
Someone I know posted a link to this wonderful blog entry called Destroying Your Child's Heart One Picture at a Time. It is really thoughtful and explores making everything public about your child, esp the bad things.
http://pebblechaser.wordpress.com/2014/01/07/destroying-your-childs-heart-one-fb-picture-at-a-time/
She made a list of what effects this has on your children.
1) Bully your kids and they will learn to fear you. As in be afraid of you. Cringing in your presence and hiding their lives from you.
2) Publicly shame your kids and they will learn the only important character development is to be found in a good public persona and the fool’s gold of value based solely upon outward perception and public approval.
3) Mock your children as they struggle and they will learn to never share their struggles with you.
4) Share their weaknesses with the world and they will find the world to be cruel and will put you in the role of the cruelest of all.
5) They will think they are a joke, not to be taken seriously. Their pain the only commodity to sell.
6) They will treat you as you have treated them.
IMO, this applies to how those children are being treated.
Finally it increases behavioral, emotional and psychiatric risks, including suicide.
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It (divorce) not dating.
Sleepless,
The point is - if there wasn't divorce their wouldn't be dating!!
Of course dating isn't the only factor, but that article states exactly what I was saying-that children of divorce get a skewed version of what a "normal" relationship is, and that causes depression, addictions, and suicide.
that children of divorce get a skewed version of what a "normal" relationship is, and that causes depression, addictions, and suicide.
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But again, how do you measure what parents are handling new relationships in a way that is healthy for their kids and who is not?
A parent could handle ANYTHING about parenting in a dysfunctional manner and that could cause problems for kids. Dating is just one of those things. And good parents can handle dating and anything else in a healthy manner for their kids and the kids will be fine. Bad parents are bad parents no matter what is going on in the family. It is too hard to measure these things with any kind of accuracy, because how one parent handles bringing in a new girlfriend could be lightyears apart from how another would.
Of course dating isn't the only factor, but that article states exactly what I was saying-that children of divorce get a skewed version of what a "normal" relationship is, and that causes depression, addictions, and suicide.
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Are there any stats on how seeing their parents date, marry and move on in turn helps kids move on and overcome negative feelings from the divorce and feel secure that one chapter is over but the next one looks bright?
Ex Nurse, I didn't think you were saying that the kids were going to be suicidal, etc because of Jon's dating. Just that those were the kids you worked with.
I'm currently a nursing student and just finished my mental health rotation. I always thought I might want to be a mental health nurse because I have a lot of experience with severe mental illness (various family members) and have seen how getting professional help has truly changed some of their lives. After my rotation though I'm not so sure. We were solely in an inpatient adult facility because, sadly, we have no pediatric inpatient facilities in my county. The thing that stuck out to me the most when talking to patients/clients was that most of their problems started with their parents. I'm not talking about my parents spanked me so I killed 7 people. I'm talking about my parents chose a man/alcohol/etc over my well-being and this is how it has affected me mentally. It was really, really sad to me to see so many people struggling because of selfish parents. I guess my point in all that was to say: I see Kate (and to a lesser extent Jon) as very selfish parents. She puts her desires and needs above those of her children, and there is a very real possibility that the kid(s) will suffer because of it. Surely as a nurse she had to take a mental health class and realizes this.
(Also Ex Nurse, kudos to you for working in Peds Psych. I'm sure that was hard and emotionally taxing, and I imagine the burn out rate is high.)
you will have a very hard time getting any professional therapist to say that it was not.
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You know what I think the problem is here. You want Jon to be as good of a parent and person as you are. I don't require that of other parents, and that is why I just can't get all worked up over Jon. I may be able to say well I don't like this or that thing, but I can't get angry about it like I do Kate. If that is a "pass" so be it, but I don't see it that way.
When it's actual abuse, yeah I get mad. What Kate does is emotional abuse and in the past, physical abuse. And exploitation. And it has never stopped. And that is wrong, and there are laws that say it's wrong.
The sheeple have one thing right. In this country, we're allowed to parent as we see fit. I think we forget that is a fundamental right that no one has the right to interfere with absent abuse. Where I differ from the sheeple is I think Kate's parenting is bad enough to demand she change and in some instances that even warranted intervention. They don't. Differences in values, difference in opinion.
My favorite quote is from an unpublished case in CA about how the courts are not here to interfere when parents are being general shoddy as being generally shoddy doesn't mean you're abusive. Nor do I have much interest in endlessly bellyaching over and condemning generally shoddy parents. That is not what I have any intentions of doing to Jon or any parent like him either. If we lived in any other system, that would be social engineering, and that's not freedom. We forget that freedom sometimes means watching others do things you wouldn't or not as good as you would even with their own kids, and accepting it anyway as their right and just MOVING ON.
Sorry, if this posted twice. I came across this picture of Joel. Why was a picture taken and where are the adults?
http://cdn.evilbeetgossip.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/INFphoto_1086820.JPG
Sleepless,
The point is - if there wasn't divorce their wouldn't be dating!!
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I disagree. A divorce may be a much more traumatic event in the lives of the children. Their parent moves out. There's so much confusion. Did the child do anything to contribute to the divorce? Is it their fault? How is the family going to survive? Where will we live and who will we live with?
Dating after a divorce may cause emotional problems as well, but the divorce is over and done. The site you linked is about divorce, not about dating, and I thought the discussion here was if a parent dating could cause suicide in kids.
I'm surprised that Jon and Kate haven't teamed up to do Jon and Kate co-parent 8. They both crave the spotlight and the easy money.
Jane
Remember how TFW griped about A's glasses because they were expensive and he had went through a couple of pairs.
TFW: WHO CARES!!! You tight wadded evil witch! That poor child needed and still needs glasses. I hope you didn't let him hear you griping about it. That would of made him feel bad. But you have showed us and the world over and over how bad you made your kids feel when you would rampage your anger over the least little things. Like the lovey bear. The cupcakes. I could go on and on. We paid 200 dollars, 20 years ago for my DS's glasses. It was hard, but I didn't gripe about it. The point is of glasses is to SEE BETTER!
Disgusting parent.
DanielleB said... 171
http://worldcongress.org/wcf2_spkrs/wcf2_fagan.htm
from the article-
Finally it increases behavioral, emotional and psychiatric risks, including suicide.
I agree with this. I would never even entertain the notion of dating until my own son was old enough to understand what was going on. He's very protective of me, which is not always a good thing, but at his age (close to the twins' ages when they went thru their dad's women), he needs the security of knowing I'm not going anywhere. Until he feels secure, I wouldn't dream of dating. That would be cruel to him.
I'm not trying to be combative, I'm saying that just because in your experience there was a good outcome, doesn't mean that's the way it is for everyone else.
I've stated before ( a long time ago) that I had a "good" divorce. Of course I was upset that I was being left with two kids so he could be with someone else. But I saved my tears and tirades for my best friend and my therapist. My kids never heard one bad thing out of my mouth concerning their dad. Even after he told them that the reason he was leaving was "Because even though I love you and always will, I just don't love your mom anymore".
No matter what I thought of him, I never tried to alienate my kids from him. It wasn't easy sometimes, but I knew it wasn't about just me. They deserved to have a relationship with their dad.
So I feel lucky that my kids have turned out okay.
We have no idea whether or not Jon introduced the kids to anyone except Liz and the one before her (I forgot her name). We do know that Kate keeps pummeling those kids with ideas about her getting a new husband, has her daughters discuss the divorce to a national magazine, and makes no attempt at getting along with Jon, if only for the sake of the kids. They have a very skewed and dysfunctional view of relationships, not only marital relationships, but relationships with anyone. They are growing up learning that if someone doesn't agree with everything you say or do, you just kick them out of your life.
Hopefully Jon can counteract the damage their mother is doing to them. If not, I will not be surprised if at least some of them don't have problems such as depression, addiction or promiscuity when they get older.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 177
''You know what I think the problem is here. You want Jon to be as good of a parent and person as you are. I don't require that of other parents, and that is why I just can't get all worked up over Jon. I may be able to say well I don't like this or that thing, but I can't get angry about it like I do Kate. If that is a "pass" so be it, but I don't see it that way.''
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I don't see it that way either, Admin. I think that giving Jon the benefit of the doubt as I do is not giving Jon a ''pass'', because I base my opinion on what I saw on the show for episode after episode. JON did all the work. JON fed and dressed and bathed his children. JON took TFW's abuse year after year after year. JON got off twitter. JON doesn't allow photos of his children when he is with them. JON allows his children to be children and doesn't burden them with endless rules and chores. Most of all, JON did not write a journal detailing horrific abuse of his children. I could go on and and on and on about all the things that JON doesn't do that WOS does but we all know the endless list.
As far as I'm concerned, based my observations, Jon built my foundation of belief that he loves and is dearly loved by his children. If his children have more problems in the future, the responsibility for their problems will be due to the treatment by their mother, not their father dating women after the divorce!
Dating after a divorce may cause emotional problems as well, but the divorce is over and done. The site you linked is about divorce, not about dating, and I thought the discussion here was if a parent dating could cause suicide in kids.
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But Jon was dating long before the divorce was final. I think that point is being missed.
lukebandit said... 179
''I came across this picture of Joel. Why was a picture taken and where are the adults?''
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I may be mistaken, but I think that may have been taken when TFW took the kids to the museum. I remember someone watching them film the episode and said that the children were made to go up the steps over and over again and one of the boys fell down. I also believe there was some discussion about TFW's reaction, but am not positive enough to repeat what I vaguely remember. Someone else might know the rest of the story.
Remona,
You are absolutely entitle to your opinion. But, you don't seem to think that I am entitled to mine. There is plenty of blam WTO go around for both of them. I make no excuse for either of them--IMO they are both poor excuses for parents.
Now, I do want my Beatles album back!
@Ex Nurse- when you first started posting here, weren't you posting as ExBurnNurse?? You worked in a burn unit? Now you worked in a child psychiatric ward?? I work in health care, and a RN in a burn unit takes a completely different nursing program than a RPN(registered psychiatric nurse) who works in a psychiatric unit..... so I am a little confused as to your nursing background..... but don't worry, I am not confused where you stand on all things Jon!
Admin....
You know what I think the problem is here. You want Jon to be as good of a parent and person as you are. I don't require that of other parents, and that is why I just can't get all worked up over Jon. I may be able to say well I don't like this or that thing, but I can't get angry about it like I do Kate. If that is a "pass" so be it, but I don't see it that way.
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Thank you for saying that, Admin--that is a very good description. I wish I could see Jon the same way other do, but, I just don't. I think that by the time CT is over, we will know more than any of us should about his issues. If I am wrong, then I will admit it.
Future Nurse said...
Also Ex Nurse, kudos to you for working in Peds Psych. I'm sure that was hard and emotionally taxing, and I imagine the burn out rate is high.)
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It was actually the most rewarding work I did. However, due to changes in insurance coverage and diagnoses, patients who are hospitalized are much sicker. If you are interested in psychiatric, addiction rehab can be very rewarding. The fact that most rehab patients are voluntary and there is zero tolerance for using means that there is motivation to recover. But, definitely very emotionally demanding--as are many fields of nursing. I was also a Burn Unit Nurse--also rewarding and very demanding!
The only thing I want to add is that Jon was the primary caregiver. So, losing daily contact with him was a huge loss.
As hard as I am on him, I do believe he was loving and was a buffer between TFW and the kids. I don't blame him for leaving, but it is hard to think of a way he could have done it that would have been worse.
I know this is OT, but I had to share. I watched an HBO documentary today called "Life According to Sam" about a boy with progeria disease. Progeria is a disease which causes children to age prematurely. Age expectancy is 13. The show reminded me of the movie Lorenzo's Oil because his parents, who both happened to be doctors, started a Progeria Research Foundation and actually found a treatment for Progeria, which is very rare and has no cure. Basically, no research was being done on the disease, but now there is treatment for the first time. It was a very inspiring documentary, and Sam was a special person. He had friends, he was in the marching band at his school, he got good grades and hoped to go to MIT and be a geneticist.
After watching the documentary today, I came online to learn more about him and the Progeria Research Foundation. I was deeply saddened to learn he died just this past Friday, January 10th at the age of 17.
I urge you to watch the documentary if you get a chance. Or at the very least, watch Sam Berns at a TEDx event where he spoke about his "Philosophy for a happy life".
My Philosophyfor a Happy Life
Judith Wallerstein did a 10 year study of children of divorce. Her work is highly respected and extensive. The negative effects of divorce are very well documented. Of course, there will be instances where the kids come through with positive outcomes. Given the toxicity of the relationship between those two, I sincerely doubt that this will be the case with most of the kids. Here is an excellent summary:
http://www.waynegrudem.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Summary-of-Judith-Wallerstein-book-on-consequences-of-divorce1.pdf
So will the same people who keep holding "the string of women" over Jon's head and "not" give him a pass do the same if the teens they are actually counseling do the same?
DanilleB
Great post
DanielleB said... 183
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Excellent post.
I can imagine how it must have crushed your kids for their father to blatantly state that he didn't love you anymore.
Geez! Ouch! They're called "kid gloves" for a reason.
But, am happy you held it together and put them first.
Kate believes she's doing just that, but she's not, obviously.
It's not healthy for a mom to write and speak about each kid's reaction to a very private situation, or for a mom to ruminate with little kids about their dads' sexual exploits.
Just bizarre.
I never did and still don't approve of Jon's behavior post divorce, in particular, his fling to France with his little chippie. I can't wrap my head around leaving your kids so far behind for so long.
If it was a real business deal, and Christian Audigier wanted to work with Jon, a deal could have been brokered in PA, and at another date, so save the BS for someone gullible.
Jon wanted that free trip and wanted to party hardy with Hailey. They even filmed themselves half baked acting like assholes.
Anywho... I'm rambling first thing in the morning.
Suffice to say, if Mady and Cara are "wise beyond their years" it's because they've been raised as small adults, not children. They've had the burden of working for their family since they were 4.
Ex Nurse said... 185
The only thing I want to add is that Jon was the primary caregiver. So, losing daily contact with him was a huge loss.
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For many years, Jon was, I agree. And now it seems like Kate swoops in, taking all the thanks and glory, and that's what the children remember. But, I'm sure when they get older, they'll realize that Kate was on the road with Steve, always saying goodbye and always popping in to do her laundry and repack her bags.
This has been well documented by Robert.
It was Jon who was there, not only after a long day of work and commuting, but when Kate was away, doing it all himself, just like a Single Dad.
Because, he was.
Anonymous said... 181
I'm surprised that Jon and Kate haven't teamed up to do Jon and Kate co-parent 8. They both crave the spotlight and the easy money.
Jane
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I think that could be a real hit, but Kate would never do it. She wants the spotlight squarely on her, and I think, deep down, she knows it was Jon that made the show work.
He was part of the dynamic that made people tune in.
I disagree. A divorce may be a much more traumatic event in the lives of the children. Their parent moves out. There's so much confusion. Did the child do anything to contribute to the divorce? Is it their fault? How is the family going to survive? Where will we live and who will we live with?
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Something that really disturbed me about the People article was that Kate seems to think that she can provide "therapy" to the kids.
She's not qualified, to say the least. Those kids need a professional therapist to talk to before, now and in the future.
They should have an established relationship with a therapist and undergo intermittent treatment if even prophylactically.
But, that would take some "glory" away from "SuperMom" who wants the world to believe she's doing all by herself.
Give credit to someone else? Peeshaw!
I'm surprised that Jon and Kate haven't teamed up to do Jon and Kate co-parent 8. They both crave the spotlight and the easy money.
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I can't see how that would be anything but detrimental to the kids. Would J&K pretend to be getting along or would they be fighting with each other? How is either good for the kids?
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