Thursday, January 23, 2014

Discussion Thread: Couples Therapy episode 4, "Fess Up"



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PatK said...

"I think she did it to change her brand, but now it's blowing back up in her face" Jon Gosselin on CT about Farrah making the sex tape.

Oh, my! Sounds like he could be talking about Kate (minus the sex tape part, of course). LOL

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Look what Mary Vidas has lectured about. She and her law firm are perfect for Jon:

"Custody Problems," "Co-parenting Agreements," and “The Impact of Social Media on Divorce Cases.”

Over And Out said...

Nicole Gould ‏@nicolergould 6m
@Kateplusmy8 how are you doing Kate? I miss you! :( have you been able to start reading yet? I hope you enjoy when you do! :) xo

Nope. No time. She's up to her eyeballs working on those thousands of entries in the not-a-contest. It's been what...a month now?

You MISS her? You saw her for five seconds at a book signing. Sheesh!

Berks Neighbor said...

Bringing this over from the other thread:

Here's what I'm wondering. Perhaps TFW "IS" Milo. We know that a Fired Up For Kate called into a radio show at one time. Who's to say that TFW didn't adopt that persona (or one of her PR people did on her behalf) on twitter and FUFK is actually TFW now.

Just thinking aloud here.

soccer, baseball, ballet lessons, scouting, Lax... said...

JMO said... 195

Jon should also try to engage his boys in events they have an interest in and pay for same, if need be. This would be great bonding moments for him and his boys. I think with 8 kids, he needs to start somewhere before it is too late.
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I second that. I hope this spring will find all the G kids getting to participate in whatever activity or sport their hearts desire. With Jon living so close, hopefully this can become a reality. The tups are going to be 10 in a few months, 10!! There is whole big world outside of those gates. They deserve more than cleaning chicken pens, weeding and being secluded in their own pool. It's not fair that they are stuck with a mother who refuses to take them out in public without a wussy New Zealand bodyguard in tow.

localyocul said...

Angelina ‏@ANGELINAGONZO 2m
Watching #CouplesTherapy and this is girl is mad because her man is jacking off! She cray cray!!

danielle .♥ ‏@effyuseekayYOU_ 1m
IF I walked in on my man uh "helping himself" .. I'd help him too. Ctfu #ijs #CouplesTherapy.

The Truth Fairy ‏@Truth_Fairy_1 2m
This poor guy. Why can't he spank the monkey if he wants? Jeez, even prisoners are free to do that. #CouplesTherapy

Rocky ‏@RockyRoad_ 1m
LOL... Liz going to be getting upset because Jon's hand may be getting more than her...LOL...��✋��������

JEroN ‏@thKuShutMeDown 1m
Poor Jon his women always de maculate him smdh CouplesTherapy4 CouplesTherapy

Austin Barnes ‏@AustinBarns 3m
Jon Gosselin jerks off in the final act of episode four. Set your DVR's for the moment Kate will bitch about next! #CouplesTherapy

KellySheridan ‏@7LKells 4m
Jon needs baaby steps to get his #manhood back she's too #rough but who knows they might get married like Jon said says #couplestherapy

nakeahodge ‏@blkdiamond169 1m
What lady calls her man a pu**y&lives!! #CouplesTherapy

ShadyJ ‏@Jreoh 2m
So Jon and his girlfriend don't have any other clothes?! #CouplesTherapy

Amber ‏@___Amb 32s
She mad cause she think he jacking off. Like....what.?! ������ #CouplesTherapy

MK ‏@mandicane 53s
Ew chill out, LIZ. #CouplesTherapy

Yadira Juarez ‏@lucasjmom 58s
Let man do his thing why humiliate him? She's a Kate Jr #couplestherapy

Allison Marie ‏@almaki76 1m
Ewwwwww Jon sex noises! Scarred for life #CouplesTherapy

Austin Barnes ‏@AustinBarns 1m
"Scratching yourself" Oh Jon! #CouplesTherapy

Garcia Vega ‏@iiamjuju 25s
The smell of shampoo reminds me of my marriage #CouplesTherapy

Marissa Collado ‏@MarissaRosario 28s
Who cares if jon was masturbating? What is she mad for? #CouplesTherapy

kymbell ‏@Kimpybell 1m
Jon Gosselin has PTSD from his marriage to Kate #CouplesTherapy

localyocul said...

Ashley Lane ‏@DownAshleyLane 28s
Lol Damn Liz, U just gone interrupt that man while he's trying to scratch his nuts in peace & accuse him of jerkin! Im DONE! #CouplesTherapy

Garcia Vega ‏@iiamjuju 1m
Lesbians arguing remind me of my marriage #CouplesTherapy

traci clark ‏@firemonkeys3 1m
Poor Jon & Kate plus 8 guy. His new girl is just as crazy as Kate! Who cares if he's taki... #CouplesTherapy #GetGlue http://gtg.lu/1aWp5Ta

Rhonda Shaw ‏@MeltzN_urMouth 1m
If Liz was that offended by John beating off she shoulda just hopped on or gave him a hand #CouplesTherapy ��

Anonymous said...

(Leslie)
I can't stand Liz. She had no business bring up Jon possibly masturbating on TV. This could have been discussed in private. And then to continually call him a victim is NOT what he needs. And laughing at him is terribly rude and disrespectful. And all the terrible, excessive cursing on tv is uncalled. She knows that 11 kids will watch this one day. She is on tv and making a first impression. I am sick of her calling Jon a pussy.

localyocul said...

OK, watching the Couples Therapy tweets people are pretty much saying "meh" about the "incident." Except when sheeple I recognize pop up.

localyocul said...

Ducking:

unpforgettable pfire ‏@firefire100 2m
@GhostfaceKillah needs to take jon gosselin under his wing & teach him to man up #CouplesTherapy

Not Impressed said...

I watched it. My initial impression of her is the same. I still don't like her. I can't tell you why. Being rough around the edges, the hoodie, the uncombed hair has nothing to do with my impression. She just seems like a cold person and he appears to be hurting because of it. It's like it's Kate all over again,

Of course, it could all be for the drama of the show and I could be way off base.

njay said...

Here is the trailer for Still Alice. I haven't watched the movie and I know that usually movies are not as good as the book. It would be interested to watch it as well as reading the book.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3JVa-4YX40

While I'm posting this I would also like to ask if anyone saw or heard Kate say to Mady, when asked if they would like to do movies or reality. Mady and Kate looked at each other with excitement and Kate squealed, it would let us have more speaking time, or something like that. My thought is she was meaning the couch interview etc. By that statement I believe the show they are pitching would only be for the twins and Kate.

cherier1 said...

From other thread:
JMO said... 141
Formerly Duped said... 131
I think Mady said she didn't do chores as a 'joke' to give Cara something concrete so she could answer a question, too.
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I think Mady got a lot of crap after she said," All I have ever known is work," on CWS and she decided this time to say the opposite, as we all know that WOS gave her a huge earful about that comment.
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Ding! Ding! Ding! You nailed it!

Anonymous said...

(Leslie)
In follow-up, when Jon said repeatedly that he was not masturbating UNDER the covers when she was OUT of the room eating, Liz did not believe him.

LIz said she was mean in the first episode that she was on and I agree. The very fact that Jon dated 4 women and moved another woman into his home when they broke up for a few weeks speaks volumes. Jon needs to be my himself for a good while before even dating again if he and LIz break-up. He is latching on to women who treat him very badly. Unless this two week therapy produced great results (and I doubt it), I don't think this relationship will last or should last from what little I have seen. She is not nice to him. Name something nice she has said or done so far.

gabby2 said...

sparkle said... 194
I think Milo is the fake or paid tweeter Robert hinted at back in November. She/he/it is just way too over the top. She/he/it lacks a back story. Too vague. Something has not smelled right with this individual from the start. Beginning with her @name. FiredUpForKate. This person got on twitter just to support Kate? None of the other sheeple have Kate in their handles, I don't think.
What is very telling to me is how it always pushes Kate's financial interests so feverishly.
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I agree. Milo is always pushing Kate's finances (soliciting tweeters for KK....going over 25,000 tweeters).....the person is paid to blog. imo.

Can't wait till they are outed. She was all for outing us.

prairiemary said...

Since I have never spent any time with Liz, I can't assume what her personality is like. But I do think she is a very beautiful woman, fresh-faced and natural. Her skin looks perfect, she must be quite a bit younger than tfw is, you can tell from the skin on her neck. The pictures of Mady and Cara with tfw look a little strange to me, because their skin looks so much lighter than their mother's skin color, but I guess it is the orange tone from her tanning obsession. If Liz got all professionally done up, she would be far more beautiful than tfw in all of her fakeness .

prairiemary said...

By the way, I do not get the Channel that has the Couples Therapy, I was just commenting on Liz's looks, not language or behaviour.
I have learned just how much these shows are scripted, and because Jon needs the money, I wouldn't put it past the show to amp up the drama, even cause some of what they want made up or exaggerated for the show. JMO.

Jumping In said...

Brought over from the other thread........

I was in the grocery store today and saw the In Touch magazine. What stuck me first was the statement that Jon wanted to save the sextuplets. I wondered if that meant he felt it was too late to save the twins, as if they had been brainwashed, and there was no getting them back any time soon.

When I saw those twins trotted out on the TODAY show and The View by their mother I was concerned for both girls, but especially Cara. I do not believe she has estranged herself from her father, she seems to be trapped in a scheme cooked up by her mother and likely excitedly promoted by Mady. Cara just seemed so conflicted, unsure and completely lost during those two agonizing interviews. I feel she needs her father now more than ever, and he has to find a way of letting the twins know he is there for their rescuing too, and that he believes it will never be too late to have them back in his life.

Admin., with a long-term illness comes great privilege, a chance to share time, love, laughter and joy. My sense is you will take each moment and cherish it, which will bring you great comfort. Enjoy your time with your dad, it is such a gift.

angie said...

Perhaps the best thing that can result from Jon suing WOS is the judge ordering that the 8 get professional counseling. And the parents, too.

capecodmama said...

Admin., do you know if Jon bought the house he just moved into or is he renting? Just curious.

sparkle said...

The Truth Fairy ‏@Truth_Fairy_1 2m
This poor guy. Why can't he spank the monkey if he wants? Jeez, even prisoners are free to do that. #CouplesTherapy

Rocky ‏@RockyRoad_ 1m
LOL... Liz going to be getting upset because Jon's hand may be getting more than her...LOL...��✋��������
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OMG Local, thank you for the tweets and keep them coming!!!! De Maculate..... I haven't laughed this hard in a long time!!!

I still maintain that twitter is going to be the downfall of civilization but damn, some of those people are freaking hilarious!!!

Anonymous said...

If JG does sue for custody, wow just wow, now Steve N and his WIFE Gina N can testify under oath in front of JG and tell him to his face he is a POS like SN did on K+8. You remember calling John worthless on worldwide TV, don't ya Steve? Then their son can testify as to what he saw at the compound, and what he knows, and all the not a nanny's, bus drivers, all the TLC Camera crews and producers, former friends and neighbors, TFW's FAMILY gets to testify, the journal or parts of may be entered into evidence on the abuse from the book. Robert gets to testify. His wife too, on what TFW did to her for spilling the truth, the DWTS Cast and Staff, Chris from INF, Coupon Cabin. all of KG's past friends, and the Glassman's. Sarah Palin and her family all called as witnesses. Johnny Weir, and everyone else KG has ever been mistreated by, to show patters of abuse. Kendra W. as she was an eye wittiness to the family journal used on WS, and saw the list of impossible chores the kids have to do and school too.

Teachers from the school can testify. The Headmaster on why the kids were expelled. Ted from the hair salon on all the dirty little secrets. The innocent members of all of the churches who gave love offerings to a millionaire.

JMCarson on why she booked children on a day time talk show, if she is still their agent.

The list for JG is endless. Against, few.

What the world saw on, The Today Show and The View is a disgrace, and those children appear to be screaming silently for help. They look scared.

Before the Today interview even starts, in the very beginning, you could hear KG snapping her fingers and whispering orders to them. You have to really listen, but it is there. Then snapping her fingers at them again during the interview, OMG! Smack her! Snapping fingers at anyone, especially your children is so disrespectful!

The fear in their eyes leaves me speechless. Where is the uproar on how this could have happened? On the uproar on Barbara Walters petrifying a child! What gives her the right to do that? What Mother would ever allow it?

He may win custody. Then maybe the Flowers in The Attic at the Compound will start to bloom and live normal lives. KG compared herself to Mommy's Dearest. How bad does it need to get before the court appoints a GAL?

MG & CG have a right to talk, but everyone knows they can't. The fear in their faces was so sad. Their Mother pulled them from school to make fools of themselves, the daddy, and their brothers and sisters. There was nothing happy or fun about either of the interviews they did.

Why? Why is this allowed? Children do not belong on day time talk shows! They belong in SCHOOL Kate Gosselin!

Disgraceful

Berks Neighbor said...

http://www.wendyshow.com/2014/01/23/justin-bieber-arrested/#.UuHfxBAo7IU Here's the link for the Wendy Show Hot Topics. She discusses Jon and TFW at 6:50.

Mel said...

Liz has personal history with Jon, which we do not. If she doesn't believe him, well there is probably a reason for that. She either knows he lies or knows he, uh, xxxx.

They REALLY need to address the dynamic there. Terrible dynamic. He's lying about something, it's all over his face. She hates the lying. She's mocking, which he hates.

The whole scenario there...bad. Why put that out there for your kids (all 11) to see. Can you imagine the kids ever wanting to show their faces in public again? Humiliation beyond belief.

Remona Blue said...

Mel said... 23
''.....He's lying about something, it's all over his face.''
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I agree that there was an expression all over his face. However, you see the expression as lying, and I believe it was embarrassment mixed with resentment that she didn't believe him.

Remona Blue said...

To clarify my comment, I think that Jon was embarrassed that Liz accused him, and resentment/anger that she didn't believe his denial.

Serendipity said...

I agree. Milo is always pushing Kate's finances (soliciting tweeters for KK....going over 25,000 tweeters).....the person is paid to blog. imo.

Can't wait till they are outed. She was all for outing us.

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I was just reading Kate's TL and I had no idea that Milo was such a creeper. I mean, I know she's gotten worse lately, but some there have shots of some of her tweets, and among the most disturbing are tweets that she made to a young girl, calling her "Chickie" and asking her for pictures of her legs so she (Milo) can give an "honest appraisal" and says that the girl can strut, wearing high heeled sneakers)...plus Milo asking Kate for some Twitter love.

This has to be a guy, or a really disturbed woman. After seeing that, I am concerned for both Kate and Jon. Something is very wrong there.

Anonymous said...

(Leslie)
Mel, #23, Liz is the one that brought the masturbation topic up. Like I said before, it should have been a private subject. And if he was doing it under the covers when she was out of the room eating, so what? I didn't see him move under the covers making a big deal of it. He seemed to be laying on his side. I doubt he was laying there naked masturbating knowing a camera was on him. I say that to prove that if he was doing it, he was very subtle about it. She has no filter at all. If masturbation is not a regular problem in the relationship then it proved worthless for her to harp on this. And if he was lying about it, then I really don't blame him for not admitting it on tv. If she knew for sure that she caught him (actually saw him) and then he lied about it, she should have been in tune to him and taken a hint and realized that he was lying because he was caught on tv. She should have dropped it then discussed it later in private.

From what I have seen so far, it seems she likes to readily spit it out all his faults without thought. I am watching it again, and she just said that she lost a lot of trust in him and she questions him a lot. This relationship is in very bad trouble. I don't think two weeks therapy probably helped that much--not enough time.

But I will try to be open in the coming weeks and if I see a change, I will not hesitate to say so. And I do hope for Jon that their relationship is much better and they learned a lot from therapy.

Math Girl said...

answering a question in the last post:

sparkle said... 194

Something has not smelled right with this individual from the start. Beginning with her @name. FiredUpForKate. This person got on twitter just to support Kate? None of the other sheeple have Kate in their handles, I don't think.
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Some of the teens do have Kate in their twitter handles: I believe both Paige and the new, very young Canadian fan Kara (or cara?) do. But they're teens, and you expect them to be immature. It's odd for a supposed adult.

Perhaps Milo has another twitter handle that she uses for "personal" purposes, and the Milo persona is only for anonymously supporting Kate. Though you'd think if she did have two ids, she would occasionally mess up, use the wrong one, and "out" herself.

I do think Milo is really, really odd. Usually she seems really enamored of Kate, but sometimes her tweets seem to be taunting Kate.

I doubt she is paid, or her tweets would be more appropriate. Who would pay for that???? That doesn't mean I believe the life story she puts out there. Her infatuation with Kate just doesn't seem consistent with a happily married woman with teenaged children.

Math Girl said...

answering a question in the last post:

sparkle said... 194

Something has not smelled right with this individual from the start. Beginning with her @name. FiredUpForKate. This person got on twitter just to support Kate? None of the other sheeple have Kate in their handles, I don't think.
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Some of the teens do have Kate in their twitter handles: I believe both Paige and the new, very young Canadian fan Kara (or cara?) do. But they're teens, and you expect them to be immature. It's odd for a supposed adult.

Perhaps Milo has another twitter handle that she uses for "personal" purposes, and the Milo persona is only for anonymously supporting Kate. Though you'd think if she did have two ids, she would occasionally mess up, use the wrong one, and "out" herself.

I do think Milo is really, really odd. Usually she seems really enamored of Kate, but sometimes her tweets seem to be taunting Kate.

I doubt she is paid, or her tweets would be more appropriate. Who would pay for that???? That doesn't mean I believe the life story she puts out there. Her infatuation with Kate just doesn't seem consistent with a happily married woman with teenaged children.

Mel said...

it was embarrassment mixed with resentment

I'll agree with embarrassment. From what is hard to say. You could be right.
I would probably agree with resentment, too, but not only from
Liz not believing him. Resentment about something/everything else.
I got the feeling there was more to that scenario than what met the eye.

I bet the producers were delighted when they got all that on film.

I'm dying to see what Admin does with this episode. Her previous recap being so hysterical..this one has a lot for her to work with.

fonferek's glen said...

After the subsequent events after the filming of this nonsense, it seems obvious to me that Jon took a paycheck roll, not unlike the movie rolls that pay well many actors take over the years. I really don't care what happens on this show I never heard of. I am far more interested in Jon hopefully saving some of his children, with or without the girl "friend."

After the news of this week, I hope there isn't a snarky recap, just more info about Jon's attempt to make his family whole.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...


I do think Milo is really, really odd. Usually she seems really enamored of Kate, but sometimes her tweets seem to be taunting Kate.


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I think that's just good old fashioned poor social skills. She really doesn't understand the concept of a backhanded compliment. She just makes them without knowing it. She brings up awkward subjects that people don't want to talk about or inserts herself into conversations. She doesn't know when to call it a night.

The whole neighbors running off in the middle of the night was funny yet telling. She sounds overwhelming and has a very tit for tat personality. Like if she bakes you a casserole because you broke your foot, she expects you to be BFF forever and forever owe her your love and affection and gratitude for that casserole.

No thanks, but thanks for the casserole. Even though I found a hair in it.

She doesn't understand she is overwhelming for most people and that that is not how you make friends. You can't force a friendship like that, it's just not how it works.

#shutupshutupshutuuuuup

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

lol I love when people give her a hard time:

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack 12h
Age happens...maturity is a choice! When 8 kids came along, Kate made the decision 2become whatever the kids needed from her! #NoGoingBack
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@MiloandJack a warden???

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

I read some Milo tweets haven't done that in ages other than what's posted here. What's funny too is that a lot of people don't argue with her they basically do what we do tell her to shut up. Hysterical. That nonsense she was tweeting about how there is no custody agreement (huh? of course there is. It's REQUIRED in every divorce with children) and everyone was basically like Milo, stay OUT OF IT it's none of your damn business. LOL.

Oh and I saw Em mentioned going along on Milo's creepy fantasy vacation with Kate and the kids, with Em as the "nanny". I think we all know who Kate got free babysitting out of this summer. That's too bad for the young local girls looking to get PAID for the fair high quality childcare they give. Too bad Em took their job.

There really are only 3 fans even engaging with Milo at this point.

JoyinVirginia said...

Recording the episode so I can watch it and zip thru the commercials. Thanks for all the tweet comments folks are posting!
I like the music group Bastille. They have a song called Flaws I was listening to tonight. The lyrics make me think of the sad saga that started with Jon and TFMJG.

” All of your flaws and all of my flaw they lay there hang in hand,
Ones we've inherited, ones we have learned,
They pass from man to man

There's a hole in my soul,
I can't fill it, I can't fill it.
There's a hole in my soul
Can you fill it? Can you fill it?

You have always worn your flaws upon your sleeve
And I have always buried mine deep beneath the ground,
Dig them up, let's finish what we've started,
Dig them up, so nothing s left unturned.

OT Bastille is a terrific group, they will be on Saturday Night Live next week!

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Ha, the creators of Blackfish have challenged Seaworld to a a debate!

This is awesome. I doubt they'll go for it but how awesome if they accepted.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

I haven't seen it yet because I don't want to watch it until I do the recap (I actually like not having seen it yet when I recap, so that everything I write is a first impression), but I'm getting a feeling that Liz seems to have a lot of pent up frustration and she's just letting loose all at once.

Almost like when someone is annoying you so much for so long that it gets to a point where every little thing drives you crazy when it really should't.

Alberta Girl said...

Admin - looking forward to your recap, as we don't have the channel (and I won't pay for it) in Canada.

I did find a poor quality video of last week's episode, and I Liz struck me as very nervous, and I think that translated in her having verbal diaherra.
She spoke very fast, and mumbled a bit. I think we have to remember that she is not used to having cameras in her face - I believe mostly everyone else there has has that experience from what I gather.

I like her - I think it must be hard to constantly deal with your boyfriend's ex, especially TFW. Liz is the one that has to deal with the fall out of how it affects Jon, and I would gather that it would make one become a bit resentful.

One more thing - Admin: sending you positive thoughts regarding your dad. It's heart breaking, and I truly wish all the best for you and your family.

Serendipity said...

Here's what I'm wondering. Perhaps TFW "IS" Milo. We know that a Fired Up For Kate called into a radio show at one time. Who's to say that TFW didn't adopt that persona (or one of her PR people did on her behalf) on twitter and FUFK is actually TFW now.

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Berks, go over to Kate's TL and check out some of the screenshots that Milo sent to a young girl, asking her to see her legs. I seriously doubt that Kate would do that, except perhaps to throw everyone off.

It's the language in Milo's tweets that is so strange, not only the content. "She" uses expressions and terms that a guy would use, and is much too interested in females' bodies to be a middle-age woman with two teenagers and a husband.

JoyinVirginia said...

OT again, Bastille will be musical guests on SNL on this Saturday night, January 25. Four British guys who write and perform great music. Check it out!

Anonymous said...

(Leslie)
The masturbation conversation continues outside and Liz tells Jon outside to "just stop it. stop, blah, blah, blah, blah". Then she goes on to make many more comments after she JUST TOLD him to STOP. She likes to fight. Oh yes she does. She enjoyed thoroughly humiliating him on national TV about this private matter.

Ingrid said...

hm If Kate can't use Growing Up Gosselins how about
Three's Company--Eight's a Crowd

For those who speculated on last post about Milo being TFW or a paid tweeter etc. I saw a couple tweets from a tweeter in the past whose twitter name had a county and GA (Georgia) in it. Those made me think Milo is really down south. (although I could be wrong too) I kept hoping she would spill details but not so far. These are the tweets:

faith ‏@xxxxxxxxxx Oct 31
@MiloandJack @Kateplusmy8 I'm sure you find yourself having strong urges to confess and repent. I could talk to someone in your church.

faith ‏@xxxxxxxxx Jul 25
@MiloandJack Why don't you clean up your own life first? And you know what I mean!

cherier1 said...

http://www.bravotv.com/watch-what-happens-live/season-11/videos/about-that-awkward-kate-gosselin-interview?cid=related_sfv_OCT13_A

Carole said...

I'm getting a feeling that Liz seems to have a lot of pent up frustration and she's just letting loose all at once.

Very possible. I also got the impression that she felt being in that setting gave her the right to express every frustration she felt about Jon, almost like she felt she'd been given a license to unload about everything that bothers her @ him and to not have to respect his feelings or watch her words because of where they were. I think she's shown a huge amount of insensitivity in the way she responds to what Jon says and does and so far hasn't shown an ounce of empathy towards him or his past.

I don't think that the relationship we've seen is healthy - for either of them. I wish Jon all the happiness in the world and if Liz is what makes him and his kids happy and secure, then go for it, but from what I've seen so far and I know it's highly edited film, she isn't 'the one'.

Vanessa said...

Look what Mary Vidas has lectured about. She and her law firm are perfect for Jon:

"Custody Problems," "Co-parenting Agreements," and “The Impact of Social Media on Divorce Cases.”

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Perfect match!

I also wanted to add that my thoughts are with you and your dad also Admin :)

Virginia Pen Mom said...

Ingrid said... 43
hm If Kate can't use Growing Up Gosselins how about
Three's Company--Eight's a Crowd

For those who speculated on last post about Milo being TFW or a paid tweeter etc. I saw a couple tweets from a tweeter in the past whose twitter name had a county and GA (Georgia) in it. Those made me think Milo is really down south. (although I could be wrong too) I kept hoping she would spill details but not so far. These are the tweets:

faith ‏@xxxxxxxxxx Oct 31
@MiloandJack @Kateplusmy8 I'm sure you find yourself having strong urges to confess and repent. I could talk to someone in your church.

faith ‏@xxxxxxxxx Jul 25
@MiloandJack Why don't you clean up your own life first? And you know what I mean!

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I actually think Milo is really down south, too. Once she tweeted that a tornado had come through. I took a look at the weather, and the only place that had a tornado that day was one small area in Georgia. It just seemed like an odd thing to say unless there really was one.

Katykat said...

If Mady thinks all she's ever known is work, just wait and see what it's like for Cara and her if Jon gets custody...unless TFW uses her visitation time for the boys to clean out the chicken coop, pick up Skoka's poop, and weed.

Carole said...

The photos FUFK has posted show grass, trees, shrubs, etc that grow mostly in the south (many don't grow at all in the north). I've never questioned that part of her? bio.

cathyn518 said...

Couples therapy seems to be just what Jon doesn't need if he is petitioning for custody. There is now documentation of his relationship with Liz as a vulgar and aggressive woman (my opinion) as well as his admitting to several other woman entering his life for a minute and one apparently moving in with him. Kate's defense would expectantly include a claim that Jon did not have a stable environment for the children considering the women he dates and lives with. I do think Liz appears as a bully to Jon, and whether she shows a different side when there are children around, the crude and insulting side of her is the one documented.

Tucker's Mom said...

I watched CT on my dvr late last night, breezing through to just watch Jon and Liz.
My gut feeling is that their relationship will fail. I don't think that I know a whole lot about Liz, but here's what I do know.
They met when Jon was dating another woman, so he was basically cheating with Liz. If he'll do it with you, he'll do it to you.
When they broke up for a relatively short period of time, they each had sexual relationships, with Jon moving someone into his home where his children visit.
The trust is gone, and perhaps never had a chance to be built because this relationship started from a bad place.
Look at Liz's reaction to Jon's masturbating, or scratching his balls, if you believe Jon. I don't, but, what''s telling here is Liz's reaction, which is anger. Why? Hellooooooooooooooo, Liz. Have you met guys? It is not necessarily a rejection of you, but rather, just a guy beating off.
Because that's what guys do! Lots of them.
It's normal. It's natural. So, Liz's reaction to me is one of mistrust and lack of confidence.
Again, this does not bode well in a partner.
I think their on the road to failure, like, way down that road.
Liz isn't a bad person from what I've seen, I just think she's nowhere near a soulmate, and Jon is trying really hard to make a square peg fit into a round hole.

AnnieD said...

One of Canada's Olympic medalists in rowing, Silken Laumann, has just released her memoir. She's revealed that while growing up, she had an abusive relationship with her mother who needed to be the centre of attention. As a result of this relationship, Silken suffered from depression, anorexia and self-harm. In the excerpt, Silken says that her mother not only smacked her with her "special weapon", a wooden spoon, but also with her words. Her mother taunted Silken about everything, "...anything she knew I was sensitive about until I was in tears". Silken's younger brother, on the other hand, could no wrong. Her mother used to take him in her arms and stroke his hair. Silken worried about her older sister leaving home because her mother's focus would then be on Silken and she didn't want anymore negative attention. Her mother's rules were "arbitrary" and the kids were always caught off-guard. Silken said that she had no one to tell her that her mother's behaviour was not okay.
Does this sound at all familiar?

localyocul said...

cherier1 said... 44
http://www.bravotv.com/watch-what-happens-live/season-11/videos/about-that-awkward-kate-gosselin-interview?cid=related_sfv_OCT13_A

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Haha "Is this the I plead the 5th segment?"

NJGal51 said...

I loved this persons tweet and it's so done new not one of the normal crew (hey, I'm a rhyming poet like Milo).

@xxxxxxxx@Xxxxxxxx @ xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx @Kateplusmy8 She consults her kids? You don't consult your kids. You parent your kids.

Admin - I think you need to link shutupshutupshutupshutup on the side bar so that we can just click on it when the fans make our heads explode (Milo I'm looking at you).

TLC stinks said...

I want Jon to find a NORMAL woman with no baggage. He needs to go through therapy to figure out why he is attracted to certain types of women. It will be so much better for the tups if he wins custody.

It will be difficult to win custody because judges favor mothers, but not impossible. Kate is so public that he has plenty to show the judge. Let's not be pessimistic. All those CA's are worthless if there is a hearing.

He is smart to just ask for custody of the tups first. It's not that the twins are too foregone ( although I have to question about Mady) but they are estranged from him and there is really no point at this time to go to war over a battle he will lose. Hopefully the twins will come around and realize what a bad influence their mother has been. I think Cara would live with Jon in a heartbeat if not for Mady.

We all know something is not right with Milo. Fired Up For Kate has been around for years and would pop up on the fan blog. I don't know how Robert would know who this person is unless he found something in Kate's emails. Who knows if it's even the same person from years ago? And I never heard that radio interview, but how would you even know if this person is who they say they are? Baby Mama put herself out there but Milo hides. Inappropriate tweets from a middle aged woman? You bet. It smells.

TLC stinks said...

ITA those pictures of plants, trees looked like GA. Also FUFK, for some reason I remember this, made me think FUFK lived near Atlanta. Perhaps it was some mention about Kate's coming down south or that time she drove to AL. I lived in the Atlanta area for 15 years. Those pine trees pictured sure looked like GA pines. So if the pictures were authentic, then I feel pretty confident this person lives near Atlanta.

Anonymous said...

Didn't watch CT read about Jon on Radaronline. That relationship of Jon& Liz is dysfunctional, she doesn't respect or trust him & without either there is no hope for a relationship to work. Jon needs to stay single & go through intense therapy to find himself. For Jon to try & bring his 6 kids into this mess is so wrong! Those kids are screwed no matter which parent they live with!
-LIN-

Layla said...

Milo posted a picture once of (supposedly) his/her daughter. It was really creepy. It was taken from behind, of a girl with long hair, wearing Daisy Dukes, walking along a wooded path. It looked like (s)he took a pic of some unsuspecting girl out for a hike somewhere. It was taken from a distance behind the girl--not like mother and daughter out walking together. Very, very odd and definitely "off".
Know what really irritates me (I know, there are so many things to choose from...)? I hate when (s)he insists that Shoka is so spoiled and pampered. This is a dog left out in sub-freezing temperatures with nothing but a heated dog bed to keep him warm. If that dog bed shorts out, Shoka could have frostbite--or die. How about Shoka being locked out, away from his people all day long, being banished to the basement when he is inside, and being so hungry that he kills and eats small animals (hair, teeth and all)and then throws up on the rug. That is not a pampered dog by any stretch of the imagination. We have lots of pet lovers here, and from the sound of it, plenty of truly pampered pets. My own Aussies (and yes, my psychotic cat, too) are spoiled silly. A bully who milks a sore paw for extra treats and love (even after the paw has healed) obviously has an owner who has no problem spoiling him. Three homeless cats get to be truly pampered when cold weather strikes. But Shoka? No way.

Upstater said...

NJGal51 said... 54
Admin - I think you need to link shutupshutupshutupshutup on the side bar so that we can just click on it when the fans make our heads explode (Milo I'm looking at you).
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I agree! Shut up Milo, just shut up!

TLC stinks said...

Tucker's Mom, ITA.

lukebandit said...

jenny posted in the older thread that she said that Robert didn't know the identity of Milo. IIRC, Robert said that he knew who Milo was and that we would all be shocked about who it actually was. I remember this because Robert said we would be shocked about it who it was.

I went back and watched BW get up on the View and get up and toddle half way across the front of the table when Sheri got up and guided her back to the chair!

OH MY LANTA! She is decrepited! (sp) When BW first turned and looked at the camera, she was in a TRANCE! And FEEBLE and pitiful! The time has come. She needs to retire. I used to respect her as a hard hitting journalist, just about the only woman in a man's world. She was a trailblazer. But now, it's not like that at all. It is now the more sensational, the better. Exploit, exploit, exploit for ratings, ratings and more ratings. For more cash from advertisers.

Oh, and her asking Fantasia about her being suicidal!!!! Just loudly saying to the girls, Do you see your father???? Mady looks at HappyUP and grins, well and BW saids, I got half my answer and repeats it? Whoopie about passed out when BW said that. Whoopie didn't ask TFW anything. I believe Whoopie did that out of respect for the girls.

Berks Neighbor said...

Thanks for the info regarding Milo. I don't care to go to her twitter line, so I only see what she posts to TFW. My gawd is that person (he/she/it) messed up.

As for Liz and the issues with Jon. Here's one difference with the other women Jon has had in his life...Liz is at least willing to go into therapy to discuss the issues and work on the relationship. And as 'green' as she is with all this television reality crap going on, she is standing by Jon, helping him to find a way to make money to rent/lease/buy? a 5 bedroom house so that he can get custody of his children.

TFW...not so much.

Formerly Duped said...

I only watched a few minutes of the rerun last episode of CT. Jon seemed to be doing a lot of talking about Kate.He also complained he is judged and watched all the time by Kate and the general public since being on TV- I thought that was why he retired into a more private life . I don't know what his motive for being on this show is, but he will be judged for sure. I really have little interest in this show and will read the recaps here.

What's all this 'brand' talk? Is no one just a person anymore?

Berks Neighbor said...

FD....
When you are in reality tv...you are the brand. You are selling yourself.
Actors don't have to worry about their brand, because when they do their job, they are selling a character.

I didn't watch the CT episode, but this is just what came to me as I am pretty familiar with marketing.

lukebandit said...

How about this title?

Eight minus 5 is Enough!

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

I want Jon to find a normal woman too but he has to find someone who doesn't want biological kids of her own because he's fixed, which eliminates a lot of women. That means out of the gate he's probably looking at women who have kids of their own already, which comes with its own drama. I'd question someone who doesn't want bio kids of their own but is interested in his kids, I'm not sure that's very sincere. He'd also have to find someone who is willing to put up with Kate and his custody drama.

I'm just not sure someone like that exists who's normal. She would have to be one special woman. I'm not even sure if someone who is willing to take on such baggage could be called normal.

Formerly Duped said...

Berks Neighbor said... 64

Thanks, Berks. But shouldn't you get to be a person again when the show is over! If not, or you do another show, I guess your brand will be judged.

if Jon did this show to earn money for the kids, I hope he does get custody . I don't consider it real therapy, so I hope the children are the reason. I noticed also that Liz shook her head vigorously when asked if all 11 of their children lived with them.

TLC stinks said...

So if Robert said we would be shocked who Milo is, this implies to me that Milo is someone in a cast of characters that we may already know or is indeed a man? I, too, don't understand why Robert doesn't just say who it is. If it is someone Kate hired to be a cheerleader, I would think that would be something worth selling to the tabloids. I guess unless Robert coughs it up or someone figures out a way to ID twitters, it may remain a mystery. Anonymous tweeters give Tweeter a bad name because these people can harrass and be deceitful with no repercussions. That's why there are so many crazies using it.

handinhand said...

Liz (the bartender/DJ) and Jon seem more like a couple of party buddies hanging out together. Party buddies that shop at the Unibomber hoodie section of the local Wyomissing department store.

TLC stinks said...

Well, there could be a gal out there who can't have bio kids but would be thrilled to marry into a ready-made family.

TLC stinks said...

From Hollywood Life:

“My marriage was very non-affectionate,” Jon explained on the show. “It was just kind of like 10 years of a business transaction. So many kids, it was just like ‘we don’t have time to work on our marriage!’”

While Jon admitted to their relationship being strained, he revealed that he never cheated on Kate, despite always feeling an “emptiness” in their relationship.

“The biggest misconception is that the reason we got a divorce was that I cheated on my wife… I didn’t,” he explained. He also said that the decision to divorce was mutual, and that’s when he started going out at all hours of the night without caring what Kate would say about it all. He opened up about always feeling like he was completing chores and tasks so that Kate would love him, which was an unfair situation all around.

May said...

I think everyone needs to remember that Couples Therapy is reality TV...remember Farrah's boyfriend who came forward and said how fake it was? Yes, I believe Jon has a LOT of issues because of Kate that need to be worked through, but the rest of the stuff (whatever he was doing under the covers) I believe is put in there for drama.

Sadly, I feel for the kids because I believe both parents are a mess. Family therapy and getting off TV is what is needed now. Fairly simple solution to a very sad problem.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

I'm not sure the judge will care about Couple's Therapy. All Jon has to say is it's all for drama all exaggerated like most reality T.V.

Plus it may be a dysfunctional relationship but that has no bearing on whether they are able to turn off their drama and raise their kids in a functional household, and save their drama for the bedroom the therapist's couch or in this case the cameras. There's nothing in CT that shows that the kids are around their issues. The kids weren't even on the show.

Again, the judge would be hard pressed to say Liz is a problem for the G kids when that same court system lets Liz and her ex Mark share their own kids. It would cause problems and inconsistencies to say she's a problem for the G kids but not her own.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Milo is definitely from a warm climate. Someone from the north would never talk about snow, ice and cold weather the way she does.

She's literally IGNORANT about cold weather, not just afraid of it.

Tucker's Mom said...

I'm not even sure if someone who is willing to take on such baggage could be called normal.
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I think the catch-22 is that a woman without her own kids will probably want to have them, and won't be satisfied with "just" being a stepmom. That's understandable.
Then, there's women with kids already, who are bringing them into a blended family. A really big family that hasn't seemed to be able to figure out how to reach a happy medium, given the challenges of divorce and co-parenting.
I don't think I would expose my kids to that, let alone the 3-ring circus that is the Gosselin Show. The risks are simply not worth it.

handinhand said...

Here's an interesting Twitter exchange with Farrah's not-a-boyfriend, the one who backed out of doing CT at the last minute:

@DJBrianDawe Did they give you a script to follow when you first agreed to 'perform' in the "reality" show?
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Brian Dawe ‏@DJBrianDawe 13h
@AlfredoCocozza they told me they would act parts out like me walking into a room where people would be watching the porn #CouplesTherapy
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6:16 PM - 23 Jan 2014 from Orlando, FL · Details
GosselinbookStTeam.. ‏@AlfredoCocozza 13h
@DJBrianDawe Interesting b/c they have Jon Gosselin's gf talking about how she caught him masterbating. Wondered if she's following a script

I do think, given the cast on CT, the producers did intend to make sexual promiscuity/deviances a big part of this season. Ghostface and his girlfriend talked about threesomes last night (pretty sure I caught that), Farrah's sex tape and now Jon's itchy area.

Way too much for the 8 to have to defend. On the other hand, I guess all the f words Jon and Liz throw around are now on the back burner for them.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Maybe that woman exists but I can't remember ever knowing a woman adamant she did not want kids of her own but rather was prepared to step into a ready made family and play stepmom just like that. And we're not talking one or two kids, that's different. Eight kids. Usually the big reasons people don't want kids is they aren't particularly fond of kids, the financial burdens of kids, and/or the time and energy it takes to raise kids. Stepping up for another man's kids would defeat the purpose of not having kids of your own. He has to find someone who say, didn't want kids because they didn't want to overpopulate the earth, or didn't want kids because they were too afraid of pregnancy, or something.

I guess they are out there but they must be rare and how would Jon find them?

TLC stinks said...

Hmmm. It's been quiet for days now in Kate's Tweeterland.

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

Here's what Robert said about the mystery tweeter:

"We know who the online Kate critics are thanks to the helpful hackers of the world, but I wonder if Kate Gosselin or any of the people closest to her have ever posted comments on her behalf on blogs or on Twitter, under an assumed name?

Who knows? I personally don't care. But I think we're going to find out soon. Fair is fair, yes?

#TickTock?"


I'm not sure how his statement morphed into him saying it;s Milo, but he didn't say that. I don't think he knows who Milo is.

Mel said...

I guess they are out there but they must be rare and how would Jon find them?
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The same way he found the others...at the bar.

PA Dutch Mom said...

That is not a pampered dog by any stretch of the imagination. We have lots of pet lovers here, and from the sound of it, plenty of truly pampered pets

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OT, but since you mention the dog lovers here, there's a story of loyalty that's been in our local news lately.

http://www.lancasteronline.com/news/local/loyal-dog-stayed-with-deceased-owner-in-woods-for-more/article_8ef059c2-839c-11e3-9b63-001a4bcf6878.html

Not a Liz Fan said...

Wow- my opinion was not the high but it definitely took a dive after last night. Liz is mean, abusive, and....I simply can't understand what Jon's doing. Why would he choose such a disrespectful partner?

He never should have gone on this show. BIG mistake.

TLC stinks said...

It's so sad Jon's comment that he did the tasks and chores assigned to him on Kate's post-it-notes because he thought if he did them, she would love him.

I believe Jon when he says he did not cheat on Kate. Why? Because did not use that in the divorce.

Tucker's Mom said...

I guess they are out there but they must be rare and how would Jon find them?
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On a dating site. I never tried any like Match.com, but a friend did and she'd send me profiles all the time, of guys that she was scoping out because they "liked" her or whatever you call it.
Lots of men were pretty up front about not wanting kids. I think if Jon found a woman who knows who she is and is secure in that, he can find the woman who is fine with not having kids, but having his kids on a part time basis for a few years.
In a perfect world, Jon would wait until his kids are up and out before marriage entered his mind. Date, screw, be happy, but save marriage for when your life isn't a soap opera that makes Dallas look like Mr. Rodger's Neighborhood.

White Organza said...

Il think that Milo might have been outed about two years ago. Very early one sunday morning, I went on this blog (or maybe it was Gwop, I'm not sure...) and there it was: someone had wrote Milo's full name. I googled it, of course, and I did end up on a Facebook page. Saw a picture and, somehow, it did fit with how I imagined Milo would look like. Late fifties, roundish face, blond hair, bad perm... A little later that morning, the post had been swiffered. All I remember is that her first name ended with "ette"... Of course, it might all have been a joke, -or another coup form the defective detective, it's her style-, but since then, whenever we wonder who Milo really is, I have this picture of "ette" in my mind...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Hmmm. It's been quiet for days now in Kate's Tweeterland.

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I think some of them turned after the Today fiasco. We can lecture them and lecture them about child exploitation but that's been the first time in awhile it was so blatant, right in front of their eyes, no buts about it. They knew in their heart of hearts that was four minutes that were WRONG.

Ha, I think of The Walking Dead when I say they've turned. She's turned!

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

The City Counsel is going to honor the 5th grade class at Point Dume Elementary who gave up their fun trip to SeaWorld because they knew that putting those whales in captivity was wrong.

I am tearful. Go kids!

Paula said...

Hmmm. It's been quiet for days now in Kate's Tweeterland
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Only the sickest of the sheeple, could have seen The Today Show and View interviews and think that is okay. At some point, sanity may have returned to some of the sheeple

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...


I don't think I would expose my kids to that, let alone the 3-ring circus that is the Gosselin Show. The risks are simply not worth it.

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No. And that's the thing I just can't see anyone "normal" willing to take this on. By taking this on you're not normal! :)

I'm sorry that that will leave Jon with a pool of women to choose from like Liz, but that's how it goes. I feel bad for him about this mess but he consented to the mess, and some messes you just can't undue. He really can't undue Kate or what happened with the show. He can try to move on from it and try to build a life for himself but all roads are probably going to lead back to a dysfunctional situation. I think his best bet is to wait until all the kids are grown then find a woman who has kids, understands kids, BUT her kids are also grown. Then they can build a functional relationship without worrying so much about the ex's. But, he's going to have to wait until he's in his late 40's for that. Is that fair? No, sure isn't. Of course he's 36 and wants a warm body at his side in the prime of his life. Most humans want a companion. It's natural.

Some mistakes really are forever. Some things can't be fixed. I think he's realizing that and I think it breaks him at times.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Justin Bieber looks so smug in his mug shot. I don't think this arrogant SOB is sorry at all.

NJGal51 said...

With the cold weather in PA and the fact that Shoka would rather be outside than in with the pack (yeah, right), I wonder if they put any type of wax on his paws to protect them. We just got some Musher's Secret to put on our little diva to see if it will help protect his pads when he plays in the rocks at day camp. It's available on Amazon and a friend who lives in Alaska suggested us to it. We'll try it out next week on him. Maybe TFW's next tweet will be that Shoka refuses to wear his designer boots outside because he prefers the cold on his paws.

Tucker's Mom said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 87
The City Counsel is going to honor the 5th grade class at Point Dume Elementary who gave up their fun trip to SeaWorld because they knew that putting those whales in captivity was wrong.

I am tearful. Go kids!
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That's amazing. So glad this is getting traction!

Radar posted about Andy Cohen's WWHL with Savannah and Matt Lauer last night. There are Kate fans out there just bashing Savannah, basically calling her a hack, because KATE put her own children in an untenable situation.
I have to wonder if this was Kate's Today show Waterloo. It looks bad, really, really bad, that 13-year olds were used by a fame whore of a mother and that Today gave Kate a platform to do that.
I think the producers or whomever the PTB are will have to decide if the bad press is worth it, even though it's press.

PA Dutch Mom said...

Justin Bieber looks so smug in his mug shot. I don't think this arrogant SOB is sorry at all.

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I saw that, admin. He was smiling. What a conceited little tweeb, like...you won't get me for this. I dare you.

"I'm not sure how his statement morphed into him saying it;s Milo, but he didn't say that. I don't think he knows who Milo is."

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I was just about to ask when Robert said he knows who Milo is. I don't remember ever reading that. But he did do that one post from Alice in Wonderland, with the "Who Are You" and the picture of the caterpillar, and Milo (on the other blog) was always characterized as having a caterpillar on a stick. Far-fetched, I know, but I thought he was referring to Milo.

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Tucker's Mom said...

Some mistakes really are forever. Some things can't be fixed. I think he's realizing that and I think it breaks him at times.
January 24, 2014 at 8:06 AM
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Gosh, this is such great way to put a fine point on a really fine mess. For all the world, Jon wants that white picket fence. I think Liz does, too.
They both had kids quite young, and picked the wrong people to procreate with.
They both seem insecure and needy. I also got the sense, as I was watching epi. 4, that Jon and Liz wanted to roll back into their familiar, safe groove, after they separated and dated other people.
Sometimes when you have invested so much time into a relationship, it's just easier to go back, at least for a while. It's usually not going to end well, but it staves off the pain of leaving that person behind, for good.
I sort of would have wanted to tell Liz and Jon to just rip the damn band-aid off. But, that wouldn't be a rating bonanza like monkey-spanking, now would it??

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...


Only the sickest of the sheeple, could have seen The Today Show and View interviews and think that is okay. At some point, sanity may have returned to some of the sheeple

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Yeah even Barb took issue with it and some others did too. I think you have to pretty much be a sociopath to look at those two teens and not feel awful for them about what she did to them. Even the interviewers THEMSELVES felt awful and said so afterward. Except Wa Wa.

Tucker's Mom said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 90
Justin Bieber looks so smug in his mug shot. I don't think this arrogant SOB is sorry at all.
*****
How about his Michael Jackson that he pulled when he left jail and got on top of his limo and waved to his fans?
Wow, boy, don't go down that road! Today, sizzurp (sp?), tommorrow, propofol. Yikes!

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...


Gosh, this is such great way to put a fine point on a really fine mess. For all the world, Jon wants that white picket fence. I think Liz does, too.

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Yes and he goes after it and after it and as he said though, his past haunts him.

You know as much as he needs to talk about relationships in therapy, I think he also needs to talk about accepting that his life is never going to be what he imagines it should be. He needs to find some acceptance of the odd situation he is in and stop fantasizing it can be different. It probably can't.

silimom said...

Justin Bieber is behaving exactly the way a 19 year old who has been given whatever he wants since he was what? 14? Would behave. I agree, his mugshot was completely arrogant. He probably also knows that as a first offense, he'll likely get off with rehab and probation, which explains his cockiness.

I don't believe in Entitled Kid Syndrome or whatever that kid in Texas used to get his light sentence, but these kids like Bieber and Lohan etc. really aren't brought up to be accountable for their actions. It's sad they have to learn the hard way because many times they truly don't get why they're being punished.

lukebandit said...

I just saw a picture of one of the boys smiling in a picture and bless this child's heart! His teeth need braces and ortho work badly! I guess she puts the "icky boys" on the bottom of the list for this. It is possible that he is under ortho care like waiting till certain teeth are a certain way for braces, idk.

But they are almost 10 and their sibs have them. Why would a mother delay on purpose if this is what she is doing so she doesn't have to pay and mess with? She has spent thousands upon thousands of dollars on her veneers and only God knows what on her self cosmetically.

She is a vile, vile selfish woman against the girls and especially the boys. It would be so wonderful when Jon gets A-L and signs them up for sports, gymnastic classes and they become really good. My middle ds was an athlete. Football, baseball, basketball. He went with his friends whose dads belonged to the country club to play golf and first time up he hit the ball so far down the fairway that his friends were stunned. I couldn't swing getting all he needed for golf, but the other thing was how was he going to add it to his full plate?

I will never forget he was the hind catcher manning home plate and a runner was coming in like a freight train to score and ds caught the ball and they both tackled and he got him out! The ump screamed SAFE!! It was very exciting! One of the parents of ds teammates was sitting in the press box behind home plate, stood up and hollered at ds and said, xxxxx, is there not any sport you CANNOT PLAY? ds stood up, pulled his helmet back and held his 1 finger up and said, Hockey. I do not play hockey! Everybody roared laughing! Embarrassed the man so bad!

There is one of five things I am so proud of what my ex the boys dad did do. We never ever asked a coach to put any of our ds in to play. We had to go and ask them to take them out to let them catch their breath! Some parents were jealous of them playing so much, but they were happy when they won a huge percentage of their games, going to state for the fatherliest the school had been ever in history. Winning a ballgame with just a few ticks on the clock in the pouring rain, catching the winning touchdown through 3 defenders at a high school where we hadn't never beat on their turf in 100 years. My ds did that. And it is not even on video. Sigh.

Paula said...

I think it's human nature, when one is an untenable situation, to wish for a different life. Jon wants his kids to be happy and safe and I think he wants a good life for himself. Unfortunately, that is not going to happen for him until the kids are grown and he can forever be rid of Kate. In the meantime Jon, just take a deep breath, carry one and love your children.

Paula said...

As far as Justin Bieber, the legal system also enabled this young man. A $2,500 fine? Seriously? For 19-year who was drunk, stoned and speeding?

TLC stinks said...

You know, BV outed Kate's "bullies" on Twitter. I guess once you manage to get an IP address you can get GPS coordinates, an address and then a name.

That description up thread of that "Milo" picture sounds like that sheeple the other blog used to rag on. I can't remember her name. The one that is married to some Indian guy?

Kylie said...

CT is disgusting. Pure trash IMO. Looks like Liz could clean up a bit and stop with the language. I'm Team Jon all the way, but he is not helping anything with this show and what they talk about.

Jane said...

Serendipity said... 40
Here's what I'm wondering. Perhaps TFW "IS" Milo. We know that a Fired Up For Kate called into a radio show at one time. Who's to say that TFW didn't adopt that persona (or one of her PR people did on her behalf) on twitter and FUFK is actually TFW now.

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Berks, go over to Kate's TL and check out some of the screenshots that Milo sent to a young girl, asking her to see her legs. I seriously doubt that Kate would do that, except perhaps to throw everyone off.

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I think you might be referring to the screenshots that @alfredococozza has tweeted? I'm not able to c/p them but I remember when Milo first tweeted them how creeped out I was.
She was tweeting to a young woman, maybe a teen, around the time Kate posted the pic of Mady in her high heels:

HaHa...care 2show us your legs & I'll give you an honest appraisal! LOL

Well, u can "wing" it chickie just for a few seconds to take a pic! High heels make your legs look slender :)

If I hadn't heard Milo's voice on that old call in show, I'd think this was a man catfishing ... and indeed it may be. Or it may be a very ill woman who's caught up in this mess. Either way, Kate doesn't seem to heed anyone's warnings. Maybe Stevie checked her out and deemed her acceptable.

@alfredococozza has the tweets in her photo area on Twitter - there are more, equally bizarre. Glad she kept these, who knows, they may come in handy at some time in a lawsuit.

chesterctymom said...

Liz is as nasty as Kate...hopefully therapy will help Jon to pick another type...

AuntieAnn said...

TLC stinks said... 78

Hmmm. It's been quiet for days now in Kate's Tweeterland.

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Awww. Little bopeep is losing her sheep.

I'll bet she's been talking to her lawyers these last couple of days. I wonder if it finally, FINALLY dawned on her that she went too far this time?

PA Dutch Mom said...

HaHa...care 2show us your legs & I'll give you an honest appraisal! LOL

Well, u can "wing" it chickie just for a few seconds to take a pic! High heels make your legs look slender :)

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I remember that and I hadn't realized at that point exactly how creepy she (he?) was. I hope that someone has kept all of those tweets because Milo deletes them. I do remember that at one time Kate said she was taking a bath, and Milo tweeted something about lighting candles and did Kate need someone to wash her back. I can't remember exactly what she tweeted, but i thought...gah...what is WITH this person. I think there was also something about Kate wearing pajamas, or a nightgown, or some question about what she wore to bed -- Victoria's Secret? I also remember the tweet about the two of them walking by the water (pond?) together.

Flight of the Kiwi said...

Paula said... 101

As far as Justin Bieber, the legal system also enabled this young man. A $2,500 fine? Seriously? For 19-year who was drunk, stoned and speeding?

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Paula, don't forget prescription drug in that :) My understanding that was the bond he had to put up to get released from jail. Yeah, not much even for a bond though. So sad. Yet another child who attained fame at a very young age (wasn't he 10 when Ellen "discovered" him on youtube?). And yet TFW would LOVE to put her children in this world. Oh well.

Anonymous said...

(Leslie)
Jon also said several times last night and I think the previous episode too that things that Liz does reminds him of how Kate treated him when they were married. Ding, ding, ding??? Hasn't alarm bells gone off in his head when he says this repeatedly. My goodness, that marriage was a terribly failed one. And Jon said he wanted to marry Liz NOW.

I hope Jon did not go in with Liz to purchase this home. If she is 1/2 owner, than if they break-up he would probably have to sell the house. And also, if they co-own the house, even if he feels like it may be best to break it off, he may he very hesitate to do so because he would lose his house. I hope he was smarted than that.

But I am thrilled he has a great attorney to represent him.

LeeLee said...

Handinhand, 76..

My first guess when the preview of the self-loving came up last week was that this was a set up, to drum up drama or whatever. Why would Jon do that in a bedroom he surely knew was on camera, when he could go in the shower, for example? As for Liz accusing, and not believing Jon when he denied it, maybe they agreed to that dramatized exchange because it mirrors actual issues they have and can discuss later. I know some people feel threatened by their partners masturbating, but I wouldn't have pegged Liz as being the type. Seems contrived and overacted to me.

Still wish he didn't do it, but if this is the price he pays for a place closer to the kids, and a better chance at getting primary custody, than I should not judge. What wouldn't we do for our kids?

Millicent said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 90

Justin Bieber looks so smug in his mug shot. I don't think this arrogant SOB is sorry at all.
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Considering how many times Linsdey Lohan got into trouble with the law, yet the worst "punishment" she ever seemed to get was being ordered to rehab (which she would usually end up leaving early), it's no surprise he doesn't look worried or sorry. He knows nothing serious will be given to him as a consequence. The rich and famous almost always get away with things the rest of us do not. Bieber has lots of money left and he knows he's almost always going to get just a slap on the wrist for anything he does.

A young man, practically unlimited money, willing sychophants all around him (including his own father apparently) = recipe for continued bad choices.

Jane said...


I remember that and I hadn't realized at that point exactly how creepy she (he?) was. I hope that someone has kept all of those tweets because Milo deletes them. I do remember that at one time Kate said she was taking a bath, and Milo tweeted something about lighting candles and did Kate need someone to wash her back. I can't remember exactly what she tweeted, but i thought...gah...what is WITH this person. I think there was also something about Kate wearing pajamas, or a nightgown, or some question about what she wore to bed -- Victoria's Secret? I also remember the tweet about the two of them walking by the water (pond?) together.

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Perfectly said - gah! Gah!Gah!Gah!

I remember those other tweets, too. Gosh, I've been around this mess way too long. I think if it weren't for this blog, I'd have moved on but just when I think the story is slowing down...BAM! It hooks me back in. One of my college majors was sociology and perhaps that continuing interest keeps me tuned in.

I'd love to know more about Milo. Not that I want her outed, but it would be interesting to know what makes her/him/it tick.

AuntieAnn said...

Tucker's Mom said... 51

...what''s telling here is Liz's reaction, which is anger. Why? Hellooooooooooooooo, Liz. Have you met guys?

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I don't know why some people get so upset about it, because it's natural and normal like you said, and they don't go blind and dead relatives are not watching them. So to rag on a guy for doing it is really unnecessary. It just instills guilt.

Tucker's Mom said...

I know some people feel threatened by their partners masturbating, but I wouldn't have pegged Liz as being the type. Seems contrived and overacted to me.
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I didn't catch it when I first viewed it, so I wasn't following why Liz was upset. So, I went back to watch again, and the footage is heavily edited.
First, there's Jon obviously on his back, and yes, he's got a hand down in the nether regions. He's alone. Then, he's suddenly obviously on his side when Liz walks into the room and starts mumbling her disdain for his self-pleasuring, if that's what it was.
I also can't believe that with all of his years of being filmed, Jon would masturbate with a camera rolling. Makes no sense. Why not go to the bathroom?

handinhand said...

Jon also said he views being publicly recognized as a vulnerability and that people often have preconceived notions about him. I wonder if he fully understands that the kids may feel equally vulnerable when they encounter people's preconceived notions about them as the children of a churlish shrew and a developmentally arrested father. Time for Jon to metaphorically go back to the woods, alone, and figure out how he can best serve those kids. It ain't gonna happen by scratching his junk on national TV.

localyocul said...

NJGal51 said... 91
With the cold weather in PA and the fact that Shoka would rather be outside than in with the pack (yeah, right), I wonder if they put any type of wax on his paws to protect them. We just got some Musher's Secret to put on our little diva to see if it will help protect his pads when he plays in the rocks at day camp.

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I'm guessing certain breeds have different builds for weather, right? I mean St Bernards would go up on mountains to rescue people in the snow, and huskies live in snow. My bichon on the other hand can't even make it around the cul de sac without picking up one or two of her paws and trying to walk on the others...I wind up carrying her. #SpoiledAndPampered

White Organza said...

TLC (102) "That description up thread of that "Milo" picture sounds like that sheeple the other blog used to rag on. I can't remember her name. The one that is married to some Indian guy?"

The one married to the Indian guy IS the defective detective. And I used to know what she looks like and her full name because RWA posted it I don't know how many times. No... "My" Milo's picture was that of a more matronaly-looking woman.

Paula said...

There may be only a few sheeple left....but they certainly leave the pen and graze over here at times.

AuntieAnn said...

Justin Bieber looks so smug in his mug shot. I don't think this arrogant SOB is sorry at all.

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How do you know for sure it's the Biebs?
hehe.

http://metro.co.uk/2014/01/24/justin-biebers-true-identity-called-into-question-4275578/

localyocul said...

handinhand said... 76
Here's an interesting Twitter exchange with Farrah's not-a-boyfriend, the one who backed out of doing CT at the last minute:

@DJBrianDawe Did they give you a script to follow when you first agreed to 'perform' in the "reality" show?
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Brian Dawe ‏@DJBrianDawe 13h
@AlfredoCocozza they told me they would act parts out like me walking into a room where people would be watching the porn #CouplesTherapy
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GosselinbookStTeam.. ‏@AlfredoCocozza 13h
@DJBrianDawe Interesting b/c they have Jon Gosselin's gf talking about how she caught him masterbating. Wondered if she's following a script

I do think, given the cast on CT, the producers did intend to make sexual promiscuity/deviances a big part of this season. Ghostface and his girlfriend talked about threesomes last night (pretty sure I caught that), Farrah's sex tape and now Jon's itchy area.

Way too much for the 8 to have to defend. On the other hand, I guess all the f words Jon and Liz throw around are now on the back burner for them.

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Thank you for posting that; I was going to say the same thing. I had seen a few weeks ago him predict someone would be asked to watch the porn because he had been asked to be in that scene. And sure enough they had the lesbian couple watch it.

NJGal51 said...

I for one want Milo to be outed. She cheered just as loudly as all the other fans when BV was outing "haters". What's good for the goose is good for the gosling (or Gosselin!).

Tucker's Mom said...

OT- but I know we've discussed Trisha before...
I watched an epi. of Trisha Yearwood's cooking show (probably a rerun), and Trisha is cooking with a good friend, who is a mom, works full time, and has a husband who was recently deployed.
Now, Trisha's had a very successful and probably sometimes quite stressful and hectic singing career for MANY years. But, she is giving all the props to her friend, telling her that she doesn't know how she does it, working full time, cooking homemade meals, doing homework and now, doing it with a husband deployed overseas.
Kate should take a page from this humble woman. Sure, Trisha works and has worked, toured etc., but it's just not the same as having a 9-5 job where you have no down time, but for weekends and maybe a couple weeks vacation time. Having gigs and making albums and touring is hard, but there's a hell of a lot more down time, with lots of money, in your nice, cushy home.
It's just different, and it's harder.
Sometimes I think both Kate and Jon are allergic to hard work.

localyocul said...

http://www.intouchweekly.com/stars/news/jon-gosselin-reveals-kate-gosselin-treats-her-kids-like-garbage

"Jon explains that it’s no longer just Kate who makes the kids miserable at home, Kate has turned the twins into mini-me enforcers with full rein to discipline the younger ones."

I'm thinking the Inspector Gadget role flip flops between M and C.

handinhand said...

I also can't believe that with all of his years of being filmed, Jon would masturbate with a camera rolling.
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What must the little old church ladies that gave love offerings be thinking now?

gabby2 said...

Some thoughts after watching show and reading comments.

I think the only reason Jon is doing show is for the money to get his kids back. My family is in the media industry, and reality shows are scripted, not every little detail but scripted yes. They put people in certain situations hoping for reactions.

I don't like Liz, she is too coarse and vulgar. I think Kate is STILL beating down Jon to the point that.....yes, any warm body will do.

I really hope he would get some sort of support so that he could really begin to heal from Kate. Can anyone imagine what KK's kids are going through?

He should have fought for his kids from day one, hopefully it's not too late for some of them.

Milo is XY, imo.

Michelle said...

Those poor Gosselin kids are absolutely screwed with these two for parents. Google Jon Gosselin $22,000 therapy bill and you will find numerous articles quoting Jon talking about the $22,000 he spent on therapy for himself in 2009. What he got out of it is anyone's guess. Your 9 year old kids are with you every other weekend yet you move in a girlfriend within two weeks of one breaking up with you. Can either of these parents put these kids and their best interests first? From everything I'm seeing, NO.

And sorry, but I've been with DH for 23 years and have two sons. Never have I walked in on any of the three needing to undo their pants to "scratch their balls". If your balls are that itchy that they require direct fingernail scratching, might want to go see a doctor. He just may advise that sleeping with four different women within two weeks of breaking up with your girlfriend isn't exactly great for genital health. Blech!

If he was doing what Liz suspected, for god's sake dude, go in the bathroom and lock the door if you MUST pleasure yourself in a house full of people with cameras everywhere. Geez!

TLC stinks said...

Bieber is Canadian. Deport him!

I have not watched CT but that is disgusting if Jon reenacted that masturbation scenario. I guess it was for drama and his $100k paycheck, but it's embarrassing. And Liz haws probably told to overreact. Geez, guys are always fascinated with feeling their junk. No need to discuss it publicly.

TLC stinks said...

Thanks, local. That is exactly what I think is going on in that house. No wonder the tups want OUT.

Jane said...

NJGal51 said... 121
I for one want Milo to be outed. She cheered just as loudly as all the other fans when BV was outing "haters". What's good for the goose is good for the gosling (or Gosselin!).
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Good point. She was giddy when BV and those from other blogs were outing non-fans.

NJGal51 said...

AuntieAnn said: I don't know why some people get so upset about it, because it's natural and normal like you said, and they don't go blind and dead relatives are not watching them. So to rag on a guy for doing it is really unnecessary. It just instills guilt.

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LOL! I remember my son taking many, MANY long showers back in the day. He's not blind nor does he have hairy palms.

Tucker's Mom said...

My bichon on the other hand can't even make it around the cul de sac without picking up one or two of her paws and trying to walk on the others...I wind up carrying her. #SpoiledAndPampered
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Mine did, too! And he lived through a handful of really nasty, cold winters. He'd stop in his tracks and look up at me and pick up a paw and whine.
Awwww!!
We collected many sets of booties. None are perfect, but the trick is just to get 'em out and get 'em in asap.
Musher's Secret can also help dogs grip onto wood floors.

AuntieAnn said...

I didn't catch it when I first viewed it, so I wasn't following why Liz was upset. So, I went back to watch again, and the footage is heavily edited.
First, there's Jon obviously on his back, and yes, he's got a hand down in the nether regions. He's alone. Then, he's suddenly obviously on his side when Liz walks into the room and starts mumbling her disdain for his self-pleasuring, if that's what it was.

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We don't get CT so I have to ask...was this in the morning? Most males do wake up with a 'morning glory' in full bloom.

Admin. Good grief. I can't wait to read this recap.

Tucker's Mom said...

I think the only reason Jon is doing show is for the money to get his kids back. My family is in the media industry, and reality shows are scripted, not every little detail but scripted yes. They put people in certain situations hoping for reactions.
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I forget which interview it was-- fairly recent-- that Jon talked about knowing EXACTLY what reality tv is about and how it works.
Advertising dollars, characters, story arcs, tension, resolution, with each episode crafted from beginning to end.
Maybe they really are playing the country hicks.

TLC stinks said...

M and C, as designated enforcers makes me cringe for poor Collin when the tups are with Jon. I think the child may be physically abused. He has no one when his siblings are gone because all three gang up on him.

OrangeCrusher1 said...

http://www.intouchweekly.com/stars/news/jon-gosselin-reveals-kate-gosselin-treats-her-kids-like-garbage

"Jon explains that it’s no longer just Kate who makes the kids miserable at home, Kate has turned the twins into mini-me enforcers with full rein to discipline the younger ones."

If this even has a germ of truth, all the more reason for the tups to live primarily with their father. And it will be quiet in Kateworld this weekend I imagine; from what Jon said last week, this is his custodial weekend. Unless Kate wants to share with Twitter all the fun bonding she and the twins are having together.

lukebandit said...

Admin said...68

I guess they are out there but they must be rare and how would Jon find them?

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A great place for him would be at church. They have adult single groups. WHEN Jon gets custody of the 6 they will be able to be around their shunned family much more often.

Saw Savannah and Matt on WWHL. I thought it was horrendous that Matt said when he did his interview with Tom Cruise the one with the medications controversy, that the Scientologists lawyers asked them to leave it out. He said that is all they played over and over again and that we do not negotiate anything like that! Liar, Liar, pants on fire!

WHAT THE BLAZES IN HOT FLAMES was SOFTBALLING TFW every stinking interview and not asking her the HARD questions!!! When she was fake boo hooing about her bills in her purse that she just couldn't mail, why didn't Meredith ask her, You're not working right now, then WHY aren't you working as a nurse, your an RN, right?

One of those bills must of been Dr. Sylvia LaF's in her purse.

Kate is a twit said...

Dr. Jenn has a blog where she answers questions about the episode after it airs. This is what she said about Jon and Liz on last night's episode:

We dug deeper into Jon and Liz this week and it definitely seems like in his relationship with Liz, she’s the dominant force. Does he court that in his relationships, a woman that kind of walks all over him?

The interesting thing is that Jon is a dichotomy. On the one hand, Jon is incredibly strong, he’s very verbal, he’s very capable of standing up for himself, and at the same time he has this dynamic with women where he does not get treated well and gets spoken to in a condescending, hurtful way. I think we all have patterns in our life and typically those patterns come from early childhood and we tend to be drawn to certain types of people to heal our past and he’s a perfect example of that.

What did you make of the situation where she catches him masturbating, or so she thinks?

You’ll see me address this next week in group therapy, I thought that she was incredibly shaming and incredibly critical and mean about it, and I think the real reason why is that she felt sexually rejected. Like, “Wait I’m in the other room, why aren’t you choosing sex with me, why are you doing this by yourself?” So she lashed out at him.

http://blog.vh1.com/2014-01-23/dr-jenn-on-couples-therapy-episode-4-farrah-abraham-whitney-sada/#more-322138

Formerly Duped said...

localyocul said... 116
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lol my cockapoo does the same thing! She needs a bit of a walk but in this bitterly cold weather, she also 'rotates' paws to walk on. My daughter bought her boots but she won't wear them.Thanks goodness fro dog sweaters though.

JoyinVirginia said...

Re Justin Bieber, I am listening to radio and heard Ryan Secrest talk to Lance Bass from NSync. Asked him about pressure of being pop stars, and how he stayed out of trouble. Lance said he had for friends with him (other group members) who would call him out. Also they surrounded themselves with good people who gave them good advice and told them when they were acting like jerks to stop it. He said Justin is a solo act and seems he is surrounded with yes men and hangers on who won't tell him no about anything.
I remember after Bill Hader left SNL he did interview with Howard Stern and I googled it. Comparing hosts, Bill Hader said Justin Timberlake was a class act and professional and showed up alone. Justin Bieber showed up with an entourage who got in the way backstage, and just acted entitled. And when he was on CSI, Marg Helgenberger had said he acted like a brat, and he really couldn't act at all.
Jail and being separated from all the yes men might save Justin. But i'm afraid we are setting a ” Hollywood True Story” in the making, and it will end tragically.

Vanessa said...

Jon explains that it’s no longer just Kate who makes the kids miserable at home, Kate has turned the twins into mini-me enforcers with full rein to discipline the younger ones."
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Oh I believe it! Didn't Hoffman have something in his book about the nannies were to threaten with spankings and even follow through themselves? Nothing like parenting through fear and intimidation. The episode on "discipline" comes to mind...oh yeah, remember the tups simply 'KNEW' to go to time out??
I'd love for somebody to give her a good smack, right into next week.

localyocul said...

Tucker's Mom said... 131
My bichon on the other hand can't even make it around the cul de sac without picking up one or two of her paws and trying to walk on the others...I wind up carrying her. #SpoiledAndPampered
*****
Mine did, too! And he lived through a handful of really nasty, cold winters. He'd stop in his tracks and look up at me and pick up a paw and whine.
Awwww!!
We collected many sets of booties. None are perfect, but the trick is just to get 'em out and get 'em in asap.
Musher's Secret can also help dogs grip onto wood floors.

(((((((

I tried booties and she simply refuses to walk at all LOL

AuntieAnn said...

NJGal51 said... 130

LOL! I remember my son taking many, MANY long showers back in the day. He's not blind nor does he have hairy palms.

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haha! Forgot about the hairy palms.

On the other hand (pardon the pun) he was squeaky clean.


Kate is a twit said...

One of the sheeple's spin on Kate copyrighting her journal, after a non-fan tweeted this to ROL.

UseCommonSense ‏@UseCmmonSense 46m
@radar_online @Kateplusmy8 Why don't you do a story on Kate copyrighting her journals of abuse, etc. That 1has issues

The sheeple replied:

MARIE ‏@MY_2BCOLLIES 32m
@UseCmmonSense @radar_online @Kateplusmy8 Because Hoffman's journal is a FAKE! She copyrighted the real one she wrote, not Jon and Hoffman's

Vanessa said...

We don't get CT so I have to ask...was this in the morning? Most males do wake up with a 'morning glory' in full bloom.
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haha! Too funny! Reminds me of the "we were so poor" joke

"We were so poor that if we didn't wake up with a h@$%on on Christmas morning, we'd have nothing to play with"

gabby2 said...

So now KK has delegated corporal punishment, therefore she can now blame all the abuse on the twins.

Anonymous said...

(Leslie)
I don't believe that Jon masturbating was planned out for the cameras and for drama....not for a second. But if it was than the very fact that Jon agreed to this " fake plot for drama" was stupider than if he was actually doing the deed itself on camera. I mean he could have easily told producers no I will not do that. I have 11 kids watching me. I think Jon and Liz have enough real life drama and interest to bring to the show as it is. I don't think the producers forced him to do this and forced Liz to react the way she did either.

Vanessa said...

And sorry, but I've been with DH for 23 years and have two sons. Never have I walked in on any of the three needing to undo their pants to "scratch their balls". If your balls are that itchy that they require direct fingernail scratching, might want to go see a doctor. He just may advise that sleeping with four different women within two weeks of breaking up with your girlfriend isn't exactly great for genital health. Blech!

If he was doing what Liz suspected, for god's sake dude, go in the bathroom and lock the door if you MUST pleasure yourself in a house full of people with cameras everywhere. Geez!
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Now THAT made me LOL!

No Private Matter said...

Anonymous said... 42
(Leslie)
The masturbation conversation continues outside and Liz tells Jon outside to "just stop it. stop, blah, blah, blah, blah". Then she goes on to make many more comments after she JUST TOLD him to STOP. She likes to fight. Oh yes she does. She enjoyed thoroughly humiliating him on national TV about this private matter.
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"Private" matter?!? The man was jerking off in a room with cameras on 24/7. The matter was about as non-private as you can get.

LeeLee said...

For those who haven't watched "the scene": a camera positioned facing the bed from high up (hidden camera style) films while Jon is in bed, completely covered by a thick comforter-type blanket, including his head. For all I know, Farrah could have been the one going for it in that bed. The footage is edited, so there are obvious cuts. Liz walks in and then back out, with cuts between and we hear her making commentary along the lines of, "I can't believe you are doing that." Later we see Jon and Liz outdoors, both in hoodies and Jon denies he was doing anything while Liz continues to act grossed out. I for one could not tell you whether Jon was on his back in one shot or where his hands were. Didn't notice any movement either. If Liz didn't make a fuss, it looked like someone was taking a nap. There were no other people in the room.

I am of the opinion that nothing that is said or done on this show is to be believed, and I will not come away from this thinking I know a single true thing about Liz and Jon's relationship. This is a complete farce, in my opinion.

Paula said...

When I was in college about 10 of us (mixed guys and gals) went to Florida for spring break and rented 1 hotel room. I woke up early in the morning to go to the bathroom. The covers had slipped off one of the guys and it was the first time I had ever seen morning glory delight! After being startled at first, I broke out laughing....

AuntieAnn said...

TLC stinks said... 127

Bieber is Canadian. Deport him!

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No thanks, we don't want him back. We're making enough headlines with that idiot Toronto mayor Ford. Now there's a tool.

#embarrassing

Vanessa said...

I do remember that at one time Kate said she was taking a bath, and Milo tweeted something about lighting candles and did Kate need someone to wash her back.
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Are you serious?? I'm shuddering...blech!

getofftwitter said...

I disagree with people who say Justin Bieber is a being a normal 19 year old. PLEASE!, I know a lot of 19 year olds, and they don't go and get drunk, own expensive cars or rent expensive cars, go bar hopping/drinking with their dad, drive on an expired licence, and drag race. I'm not saying 19 year olds don't do this, the kids I know and live around , are 1 working, 2, going to school, which means they have very little time for any of that party time, also drinking age in Illinois is 21. I don't know what the drinking age is in Florida. I just don't like when people assume that all 19 year olds, are typical and all do this, cause they don't. Justin is the extreme, and he does know as well as his enabling parents do, and the rest of the leeches around him do, of what he can get away with.

As for couples therapy: both Jon & Liz, have a lot of past issues to get through, if they really want this relationship to continue. Jon on the outside, may give the impression that he has moved on, but deep inside he has not. Ten years of being married to Kate, really did a number on him. I'm sure Jon took those marriage vows, when he got married seriously, Kate had other motives. Jon said the marriage for 10 years was loveless, it was sticky note instructions, do this, wear that, act like this not that, do as I say, and maybe I'll throw you a bone, crap. I do believe Jon really wanted the marriage to work, Kate had other plans.
As for Liz, why did she divorce? She does have relationship issues. It comes from her own past, stuff she has never let go. She does not like to deal with things, she walks away. Her swearing is her way of not dealing with things. I swear & walk away. She rather avoid issues than talk about issues. Jon would like to not avoid issues, but has a hard time talking about them. As for therapy, yeah, it should have been private. This might come back at sometime in the future and possibly bite him. But this also gives everyone a look into a marriage ruined by reality TV, the true trainwreck. Who Kate really was/is, besides what we already know, another angle.

Just to clarify said...

"I guess once you manage to get an IP address you can get GPS coordinates, an address and then a name."
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This is not true.

Vanessa said...

I do remember that at one time Kate said she was taking a bath, and Milo tweeted something about lighting candles and did Kate need someone to wash her back.
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You're absolutely right! I thought you weren't permitted to smile for a mug shot?
He'll be crying like a baby (just like Paris Hilton) if he actually has to spend real time in the big house.
Go back to his documentary and you'll see a very poised, polite, giving, well mannered, helpful polite THIRTEEN YEAR OLD! hear that tfw?
My my! what a few years makes!

Vanessa said...

Ha, I think of The Walking Dead when I say they've turned. She's turned!

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Lol! Well you know what has to be done now....

Remona Blue said...

LeeLee said... 148
''......Liz walks in and then back out, with cuts between and we hear her making commentary along the lines of, "I can't believe you are doing that." Later we see Jon and Liz outdoors, both in hoodies and Jon denies he was doing anything while Liz continues to act grossed out. I for one could not tell you whether Jon was on his back in one shot or where his hands were. Didn't notice any movement either. If Liz didn't make a fuss, it looked like someone was taking a nap. There were no other people in the room.''
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You saw exactly what I saw, which was really nothing other than Jon under the covers and Liz throwing a hissy fit. I believe Jon...that he was ''scratching my balls''. In the previews, the therapist really jumped all over Liz for her anger at Jon.

Someone asked if it happened in the morning. When Liz was bitching Jon out, didn't she say something about him doing it while she was outside eating breakfast and reading a book?

Vanessa said...

AnnieD said... 52
One of Canada's Olympic....
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The sick thing is this is all to common of a story.

Twinkle said...

I sense the hesitancy to really slam Jon here. Of the two parents, he's definitely better, but still not the greatest. I'll never forget that walk in the woods and his impatience. He also mocks the kids- he even did that right along with Kate. Remember the whole 'Boys are yucky" couch interview?

Jon has acted like a child and divorcing only made it worse. Yes, Kate abused him and she's a horrible person. Jon has lingering effects from that, but how long will that be an excuse for his immaturity? When will we hold Jon to a higher standard?

He blew through money and now cries that he's poor. What happened to all the money he had? He smokes, drinks, swears, dates horrid women, and...he can't hold a job. Everyone wants to blame Kate for that (even me) but there are other reasons he's lost the jobs he's had in the last few years. He says he wants the kids more, but he's declined additional visits in the past. (I will not disclose how I know this so believe it or don't, it's not something I'll argue about.)

IMHO this latest plea for custody was a knee-jerk comment that will amount to nothing. He doesn't really want custody. He can't afford to feed them all and even his weekends are a stretch for him. He doesn't want to deal with day-to-day childcare. He lives much too far to get them to their current school. He impulsively said he would get custody to be sensational. I will be surprised if a case ever hits the docket.

As much as I dislike crude Liz, I agree with her about him playing victim. We all like to excuse his bad behavior here. (Me too) I am guessing it's because we hope Jon will start being an adult and be the only hope the kids have. Sadly, I don't see it happening. I hope I am wrong.

handinhand said...

Auntie Ann, don't know if anyone answered yet but it seemed it was morning. Liz said she was out having cereal and reading a book and then they beeped out some words during her complaining that she thought Jon should have invited her to help him achieve his goal as she wasn't really busy anyway. Don't remember if this was one of the times she followed up with,"man up, ya pu$$y," or not.

High Sodium Content said...

Has Jon said if he bought or is renting the new home? At least if he's renting the stalkers can't find it easily. Had a thought on how he may have gotten some funds. His grandmother recently died, maybe he or his mother got some money from insurance or an estate. Maybe his mother, is helping. It must be torture as a grandmother to have a pretty good idea of what is happening to her grandchildren. I don't have any grand kids yet, but my kids were so close to my parents, it's heart breaking for the Gosselin kids not to have that love or influence in their lives.

Tucker's Mom said...

And sorry, but I've been with DH for 23 years and have two sons. Never have I walked in on any of the three needing to undo their pants to "scratch their balls". If your balls are that itchy that they require direct fingernail scratching, might want to go see a doctor. He just may advise that sleeping with four different women within two weeks of breaking up with your girlfriend isn't exactly great for genital health. Blech!
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Michelle, I think we have a contender for quote of the day!

Vanessa said...

OOOPs-my comment 154- I should have pasted admin's post about Justin beiber

just wondering said...

There is a camera in the bedroom and both Jon & Liz know it. Do you seriously think Jon would jack off knowing this?
Farrah probably would, but not Jon.

Remona Blue said...

"I guess once you manage to get an IP address you can get GPS coordinates, an address and then a name."
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I tried that out with my IP address, and was surprised to learn that I live in the parking lot of a school blocks away from me! No name at all was exposed.

Call Me Crazy said...

Millicent said... 111

He knows nothing serious will be given to him as a consequence. The rich and famous almost always get away with things the rest of us do not. Bieber has lots of money left and he knows he's almost always going to get just a slap on the wrist for anything he does.
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So true, Millicent. Until that celebrity/rich person exemption is shattered because he kills himself or some innocent person with his reckless, irresponsible behavior. I am sick of selfish, entitled people (whether they be kids, celebrities, or the mediocre) who do not ever consider how their actions affect others.

njay said...

I know that Jon has a lot of issues but the comment Liz made when they first got there about her needing lots of therapy is very telling. I think that Liz acts like Kate when she wants her way, emotionally or physically. She knows how Kate is and was to Jon and uses it to push Jon's buttons and that is her way to stay in control. Her inner issues arise and she deflects them on to Jon. It is her that can't "man up". That is also why she calls him a victim so much. In reality SHE is the one playing the victim. I have found that the very thing people constantly harp on is the very issue they don't like about them self. To accuse others keeps from having to focus on your own issues. If everyone around you is as ugly as you, then you don't feel so out of place.

Liz is a lot like Kate. On CT, the first thing we heard when they got up the next morning is Liz saying eew morning breath, then she said I love you. I have to wonder why Jon picks this kind of women. Someone in his childhood must have constantly put him down for him to need that kind of treatment to feel normal.

Ingrid said...

Since Reality TV is so scripted maybe they convinced Jon and Liz that the story line of him in bed alone had to be done to add some drama to their story. If it was then they wouldn't dare say to the media that it was faked since CT paid them to be on the show. They would have to go along with it. We don't know how much power the people on that show have as to the right to refuse. I think J&L's therapy would be pretty boring or ordinary if they didn't script stuff like this in.

Anyone know if Kate was following Savannah G? I see she deleted one of the tweeters she followed. It was at 74 yesterday and now today it is 73.

Anonymous said...

TLC stinks said... 127
Bieber is Canadian. Deport him!

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Uh, uh! We have a 30 day return policy. Too late.

PJ

Not Child Free from Choice said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 77
Maybe that woman exists but I can't remember ever knowing a woman adamant she did not want kids of her own but rather was prepared to step into a ready made family and play stepmom just like that. And we're not talking one or two kids, that's different. Eight kids. Usually the big reasons people don't want kids is they aren't particularly fond of kids, the financial burdens of kids, and/or the time and energy it takes to raise kids. Stepping up for another man's kids would defeat the purpose of not having kids of your own. He has to find someone who say, didn't want kids because they didn't want to overpopulate the earth, or didn't want kids because they were too afraid of pregnancy, or something.

I guess they are out there but they must be rare and how would Jon find one.

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I don't mean to jump down your throat, but I find this sort of statement insensitive and upsetting from anyone and want to speak up here.

People tend to forget because of all the "miracle births" that hit the headlines that there are still many women out there who may desperately want children, but are unable to get pregnant, unable to carry a pregnancy to term, or for whom a pregnancy would entail significant risk or death. It is also still true that the ability to conceive declines significantly over the age of 35, and the likelihood of conceiving a child with a genetic disorder increases. Think trisomy or any number of other inherited disorders.

Please don't assume that all people who are "child-free" WANT to be child- free. Also consider that marriages have broken up over unsuccessful infertility problems, unsuccessful attempts at adoption, or one partner's inability to accept a child other than their own biological child.

I don't really care about Jon Gosselin's love life, but he theoretically could find a strong "normal" child-loving but infertile never married or divorced woman who would love a ready-made family and be able to cope with TFW.

I just hope he doesn't have to go on a low-budget Millionaire Matchmaker type show to find one!






WalktheTalk said...

The masturbation scene was nothing but a set up. First I notice Jon was fully clothed under the covers. Two, they both know their was a camera in the room (come on the cameras were rolling at different angles). Did anyone else think maybe this is something that happen to Jon in his marriage to Kate and they were re-acting it? Icky Icky Men and boys! LOL 99% of men admit to masturbating, the 1% are lying!

Lalalalala said...

they don't go blind and dead relatives are not watching them.

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Funniest thing I've heard all day!

LeeLee said...

Final thought on Jon's alleged "private" moment:
This scene takes place on their first or second morning, if I have the timing right. I just cannot seriously believe that Jon innocently went there practically upon arrival, and that if he does make a habit of it, that Liz would be so surprised, considering they live together.

I just don't buy it.

Also, I see Liz as having a major defense up. She is on RT for the first time, is out of her comfort zone, and has a clue how your words and image can be misrepresented. Personally, I choose to believe that Jon and Liz signed up knowing full well they would be playing a part for a paycheck, and claiming it was for the therapy is what they are contracted to say as employees of the show. She may be playing it rough because she was encouraged to do so by the producers, or this may be her way of protecting herself. Regardless, I don't think we are getting an honest and true picture of her as a private person or of her relationship with Jon. This show covers a very short period of time, and she seems very guarded to me.

gabby2 said...

njay....I agree. And who has AWAYS played the biggest Victim, but Krazy Kate herself. From not being able to get pregnant to having to stay in bed for weeks with the 6 as Jon held down a full time job and took care of the twins by himself.

Paula said...

If Kate was following Savannah Guthrie, I wouldn't be surprised if she dropped her. Savannah didn't seem to be a big fan of Kate in her interview with Andy Cohen on WWHL.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

I still think it would be a rare woman who would be willing to take on a man who has eight kids. Even if they are not childless by choice though I was mostly talking about choice. I mean no disrespect, I've just never met such a woman.

gabby2 said...

Agreed admin....and not only take on 8 kids...that would be easy next to taking on Krazy.

Krazy comes with Jon, she will never leave him alone. imo.

Remona Blue said...

WalktheTalk said... 168
''The masturbation scene was nothing but a set up. First I notice Jon was fully clothed under the covers. Two, they both know their was a camera in the room (come on the cameras were rolling at different angles)....''
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I also believe it was all a set up...and LIZ was the one set up. I can't find the comment now, maybe it was on the other topic, but someone said that they believed Jon was in bed and one of the crew rushed to find Liz and tell her something was going on, and she rushed in. As they said, Liz didn't even wait long enough to actually see Jon...she was jumping all over him the moment she rushed into the room.

So...I believe that Liz really THOUGHT she 'caught him', and reacted true to form, and Jon was embarrassed she was making a scene and resentful/angry that she didn't believe him.

CT is really a mess, BUT Jon was able to move to a five bedroom house minutes from the compound with the CT money, so I refuse to be angry with him for that or for his announcement he was going for custody of the younger six. His detailing the abuse WOS (and even the twins) is in my opinion, his way of telling WOS and the public that he knows what is going on behind those gates!

It's All Good said...

I agree with the tweets posted above. Liz seems to be the one with the problem when it comes to masturbation. Why so uptight about it? Yes, I know, it's scripted to be over the top.

It's not only men that pleasure themselves. Lots of women have vibrators. Heck you can even enjoy the jets in your spa tub. LOL

JoyinVirginia said...

I agree with others who think the CT situation was scripted.
In the latest Justin Bieber news (why do I care? Because its just like Amy Winehouse all over again, minus the eyeliner) supposedly his agent and ” team” sent a private plane to Florida to get him back to California and he won't leave. His neighbors in California must be happy he is still away.

Sheri said...

Anonymous said...(167)

TLC stinks said... 127
Bieber is Canadian. Deport him!

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"Uh, uh! We have a 30 day return policy. Too late."

PJ

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I second this "sediment". We don't want him back.

Seriously though, it's really sad that Justin's own parents are so caught up in his "success" that they are not only enabling him but seem to be actually encouraging his reckless behaviour.

We can blame it on society or the Hollywood machine but in the end it seems that Justin has had no real grounded influence in his life.

Everyone around him (parents, managers, stylists, bodyguards) depends on him for their livelihood. No matter how you slice it, that's a shit ton of pressure for a 19 year old.

It's quite sad.

Tucker's Mom said...

I just hope he doesn't have to go on a low-budget Millionaire Matchmaker type show to find one!
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Oh no! I haven't thought of this, but can see it happening if things with Liz go south. Although, Patty would think Jon way too "low rent", I'm betting!
It's not the "Used To Be A Millionaire" Matchmaker ;-)

Paula said...

Hi sheeple...

njay said...

Lee Lee 148
I am of the opinion that nothing that is said or done on this show is to be believed, and I will not come away from this thinking I know a single true thing about Liz and Jon's relationship. This is a complete farce, in my opinion.
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I can't find the clip but is anyone who may be interested, go to the VH1 web site and watch the final episode of last season. Flavor Flave and, I can't remember the name of the other couple, but they tell Doc. Jen how much she has helped them. I could tell that they were very sincere through their tears and words. Now did they follow through with what they learned? Not sure. I do believe that Jon and Liz can and will learn things about themselves and each other. The question is...will they remember or want to use the tools they have/will learn. That is where therapy fails. People forget or really don't know how to use once they have left the safety of the group and the therapist. Especially if it's only two weeks worth. I hope that CT offers help if they want to take it after CT. Two weeks is really not enough time to work on making it second nature. To me it is cruel leave them hanging. A little knowledge can be dangerous.

silimom said...

This may be the real Liz or it may be Liz and Jon rehashing the same dynamic that brought in viewers to J & K + 8, i.e. Liz playing Kate's shrew to Jon's passive aggressive whipping boy.

It probably will be tough for either Jon or Kate to find a partner/spouse until the kids are grown for the reason Admin stated. I do feel that both of them need to grow up before they can really be good partners for anyone.

LeeLee said...

I work with a man who has sole custody of his 4 little girls. He remarried a couple years ago to a woman he met at church who has three grown children of her own. I've thought she is either a saint or a little off. Now that I know her better, she's a little of both, but they seem to have an understanding that the kids are his responsibility and she is there as support, not as a surrogate mommy. The kids love her and trust her, but she lays down the law when too much falls on her to-do list. It works for them, though it does seem out of the ordinary.

Tucker's Mom said...

Regardless, I don't think we are getting an honest and true picture of her as a private person or of her relationship with Jon. This show covers a very short period of time, and she seems very guarded to me.
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I agree. There's very little real about RTV, but I wish we'd see Liz smooth out some of her rough edges so that she can come across as somewhat maternal, or that the editors do that for her.
Liz seemed to me to be a bit overwhelmed being thrust into this world of D-List "celebs". Like Groucho Marx, saying "I don't dare belong to any club that would have me as a member".

sparkle said...

Kate is a twit said... 143
One of the sheeple's spin on Kate copyrighting her journal, after a non-fan tweeted this to ROL.

UseCommonSense ‏@UseCmmonSense 46m
@radar_online @Kateplusmy8 Why don't you do a story on Kate copyrighting her journals of abuse, etc. That 1has issues

The sheeple replied:

MARIE ‏@MY_2BCOLLIES 32m
@UseCmmonSense @radar_online @Kateplusmy8 Because Hoffman's journal is a FAKE! She copyrighted the real one she wrote, not Jon and Hoffman's
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Ok, while we're not sure Milo is a real person, ^^^ IMO, this one and the other 4 are real people paid to deny, deny, deny. No matter what, deny, deflect and deny some more. Make stuff up even, but just deny, deflect and deny.

If Jon and Robert made up the journal, Kate would have had a flaming hot, clear cut case of libel and defamation. Open and shut... all day long.

I'm so lost.......... the next lawsuit Kate allegedly has planned for Robert was for copyright infringement. Ok, so if Robert FABRICATED the journal, why would Kate sue him for copyright infringement of material that she (according to the sheeple) did not create nor copyright? If she copyrighted the alleged real journal, why would she pursue infringement on the fake one. Good Grief! How about YOU use some common sense?

handinhand said...

Two, they both know their was a camera in the room (come on the cameras were rolling at different angles).
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Knowing there was a reporter documenting his words and actions for Philly Mag didn't stop Jon from inappropriate words and actions so yes, I do think he may have let his urges take over despite the setting.

getofftwitter said...

I also want to add to this, saying that all women who don't have kids don't want them are ones who can't get pregnant, divorce, etc, you also forgot that a lot of single women, never met the right guy or in my case a lot of the guys were a-holes, there idea of a woman was one who looks like a playboy centerfold. And the rest of the women to them were weird examples of what women should not look like. Yes, there are a lot of single women who would have made wonderful moms, would have loved to became a parent. That did not happen. Some of us now are too old to have kids. Choice is not the only thing why some are not moms. If the cover is not there for the jar, it's not there. I was not going to do the Cinderella thing and wait for prince charming to show his sorry self. I went out and lived life. If it was ment for me to marry then, so be it. Does not matter if Jon's GF or next GF, has kids or not, he needs a stable, issues free relationship first, one between him & GF and him, GF & all kids involved. Before any of them can move forward.

Formerly Duped said...

What a weird thing for CT to set up, if that's what it is ( the private moment) What does that prove- that he and Liz are not compatible in the sack? If she was new to the house and TV, why make a big deal about a private matter? I find her a little crude and over-bearing. But it's just another unreal reality show.

TLC stinks said...

After all these years and knowing how fake J+K was, how can anyone on this blog possibly believe anything on CT, particularly that a man would masturbate knowing that cameras were in the room! This show needs drama, needs issues to be addressed and this whole thing was concocted for the doctor to address. Jon should be embarrassed and ashamed for appearing in such trash, probably signed waivers to not reveal the set ups. Despite his poor judgement, Kate cannot use the show against him because even the porn "talent" have families and no one is taking their kids away. I just wish he appeared on a decent show, but money is money for his attorney, so part of me understands but still disappointed and embarrassed for his kids. What a mess.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Formerly, exactly. Such drama over it. If it really bothered her why can't she just calmly sit down with him and say Jon it made me uncomfortable to think you need to do that with me around. I guess maybe I'm feeling rejected. Have an open dialogue. He can reassure her it's normal and not a rejection of her. Sounds like she made a mountain out of a molehill.

AuntieAnn said...

handinhand said... 158

Auntie Ann, don't know if anyone answered yet but it seemed it was morning. Liz said she was out having cereal and reading a book and then they beeped out some words during her complaining that she thought Jon should have invited her to help him achieve his goal as she wasn't really busy anyway. Don't remember if this was one of the times she followed up with,"man up, ya pu$$y," or not.

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Thanks handinhand. I wish we got CT where we live so I could form a more accurate perspective on it, although I'm not sure how much fact or truth a person can garner from a reality tv show.

Millicent said...

I have long had a suspicion that Jon's mother was perhaps a domineering and critical type of mother. I have no basis in fact to bolster that opinion. It's just a feeling I have. From what I have heard, it seems that his father was loving and possibly over-indulgent. However, Jon's passiveness and willingness to take a whole lot of abuse from the woman in his life probably stemmed from some early experience and so I look to his relationship with his mother.

I also seem to recall that early on, relations broke down between Kate and Jon's mom - possibly because Jon's mom was overbearing too and there could not be two "rulers" in Jon's life. Thus, Jon's mother was banished early on and did not visit Jon and the kids at their home.

As to CT and any other reality show - they are all fake. That's what I've learned these past few years. The producers try to hype up the drama in any way they can, because real reality is usually pretty average and boring. Jon knows about having cameras following you everywhere - so would he really forget there was a camera trained on him the bedroom and "take care of his needs" right in front of the camera? I think not.

I tend to think Liz and Jon were given a script to follow, or at the least, given suggestions on how to play out various scenes. If Jon is doing this solely for the money necessary to fight for custody, then he and Liz may have discussed the necessity of sucking it up and doing or saying some things they might not particularly like, in the interest of the greater good. (At least, I hope that's the case.)

Midnight Madness said...

I still think it would be a rare woman who would be willing to take on a man who has eight kids. Even if they are not childless by choice though I was mostly talking about choice. I mean no disrespect, I've just never met such a woman.

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If I were single and met a man I loved and respected, and I knew that this was the forever after kind of love, and he loved me, even if he had a dozen children, I'd be willing to take them on. Honest. We'd make it work somehow. Yes, it might be challenging, but children only stay children for so long. They grow up very fast, and if I knew that I'd be with that man for my lifetime, I'd go for it.

Millicent said...

I do recall one woman who willingly took on a bunch of children that were not her own - and she was childless at the time. Maria Von Trap :) Did anyone watch the behind the scenes PBS documentary about the Von Trap family that was on awhile ago? I think Maria Von Trap shared many characteristics with TFW!

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

I doubt calmly sitting and discussing a situation is what the CT producers want. They want outrageous and drama...(pea green towels and screaming, over-reacting drama).

AuntieAnn said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 174

I still think it would be a rare woman who would be willing to take on a man who has eight kids. Even if they are not childless by choice though I was mostly talking about choice. I mean no disrespect, I've just never met such a woman.

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Especially if he comes equipped with a bitch from hell ex-wife who would go out of her way to make life even more miserable. I know I'd think twice before committing to that.

Formerly Duped said...

Just noticed Colin was the only tup not coloring the backdrop paper. coincidence?

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