Monday, November 26, 2012

The reality T.V. relationships curse

The learning curve

Reality T.V. seems to have played a role in many couples in love ending up in divorce court. Seems Tia and Tamera Mowry, child stars who now have their own reality show about married life (Tia & Tamera), have picked up on the obvious: reality T.V. is hard on relationships. 

Said Tia: “I can see why marriages deteriorate after being on a reality show for a while. At the end of the day, the reality show is a show, and they’re looking for conflict. For any relationship, always focusing on a conflict is not healthy.”

And Tamera had this to say: “You don’t want to put everything out on television. That’s what makes a marriage. It’s between you two and not you and 2 billion people who can watch it over and over on YouTube.”

Jon and Kate Gosselin are perhaps reality T.V.'s most infamous break-up. Here are just a few of the many other couples who split during or after their reality shows.


Jessica Simpson and Nick Lachey. The show may have boosted sales of Chicken of the Sea, but it didn't make being newlyweds seem like much fun. The Newlyweds.


Linda Marie Bollea and Hulk Hogan. They endured 24 years of marital bliss. It wasn't until they signed on for a reality show that they split. Hogan Knows Best.



Kim Kardashian and Kris Humphries. It's widely been rumored the Kardashians orchestrated this entire relationship just for ratings, but poor Kris actually seemed to be in love with her. Kris is fighting this out in court. Said his attorney, Kim had "no intention of proceeding with this marriage. That it was basically a contrivance for the benefit of her show and to make money." Go Kris! Keeping Up With the Kardashians.



Darrel and Juanita Boeschkoetter. We laughed, we cried, we rooted for them to pull through, we prayed for rain when it was dry and sun when it was wet. But the happy ending we desperately wanted wasn't to be. Juanita and Darrel eventually split. The Farmer's Wife.

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Greedy Gosselins said...

~Money will buy a fine dog, but only kindness will make him wag his tail.~

So many ways to apply this to everyday life and other situations.

If I had time to tweet, I'd tweet it to Kate.

silimom said...

What wonderful insights from the Mowry sisters. Hopefully, their relationships will survive intact.

Kate has often said that she and Jon would have divorced despite the show. I found an interesting website that had a survey posted: http://www.mostonline.org/facts_divorcesurvey.htm

I won't post the whole article but here were the highlights:

Divorce and the Multiple Birth Family

MOST (Mothers of Supertwins) conducted a survey of parents with multiples (twins, triplets, quadruplets, etc.) from June 25, 2009 to July 27, 2009. The survey was designed to develop baseline statistics about the prevalence of divorce among multiple birth parents and contained 10 multi-part questions on family background, socioeconomic status, parent and children's age, as well as questions about marital status and divorce.

The research team consisted of:

Laurie LaMonde, Ph.D., MOST Research Director
Marcia W. DiStaso, Ph.D., Assistant Professor at Penn State University
Maureen A. Doolan Boyle, MOST Executive Director
Lauretta Shokler, MOST Technology Director
Kelly Ross, MD, MOST Medical Director, Assistant Professor of Pediatrics, Division of Newborn Medicine Washington University School of Medicine & Pediatric Hospitalist at Missouri Baptist Hospital
All the data is still being analyzed for detailed statistics, but below are some initial findings.

Initial Survey Findings

The survey had a large sample size. A total of 2,849 parents or guardians of multiples completed the MOST Divorce and the Multiple Birth Family survey questionnaire. The majority of survey participants were:

Mothers (97.5%)
Residents of the United States (93.4%)
Predominately Caucasian (92.4%).
An average age of 32 when their multiples were conceived.
Households with an average of 3 children, mostly families of twins (61%) or triplets (30%).
Married for the first time (86%).
Researchers commonly report that the lifetime divorce rate is about 40 to 50% for first marriages in the United States, and although it certainly makes sense that parents of multiples would face additional emotional, financial, and medical-related stressors, this study is the first known research examining the divorce rate among this growing population of parents. The survey found:

That 4.3% of respondents divorced during the pregnancy or following the birth of multiples (indicating that the divorce rate among this group may not be as high as many have speculated.)
Over 95% of the marriages were intact.
About 82% of the respondents reported an overall positive level of marital satisfaction.
According to MOST researcher, Dr. Laurie LaMonde, a clinical psychologist and mother of triplets, “Identifying a more accurate divorce rate is important to ease the concerns of multiple birth families as well as to determine if additional services may be beneficial for families that may be at greater risk of marital discord.”

Specifically, the divorce rate was:

3.6% for parents with twins
5% for parents with triplets
9.2% for parents with quadruplets
4.2% for parents with quintuplets/sextuplets or multiple sets of multiples
Among those who divorced, the majority of their multiples were between the ages of 1 and 5 at the time of divorce.

In addition, 4.8% of respondents reported that their marriage involved a history of physical or substance abuse. Of those reporting abuse, martial dissatisfaction ratings were higher and the likelihood of divorce was greater.

So, while families of sextuplets or more or multiple multiples do divorce, the rate is actually lower than for those with triplets and quads.

Maybe they would have divorced. I tend to think, however, that had she not had the money and the attention from the show she would have stayed with Jon for no other reason than she would have been scared to death to raise 8 kids on her own.

Tucker's Mom said...

silimom said... 2
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I think the show had a great deal to do with the divorce. With money, fame and a bunch of "yes" people, both j+K thought the fame train and money would keep coming in. Especially Kate, but Jon did a good job of trying to keep his face in the media. I think Kate thought she'd cherry pick any media job she wanted, and book deal she wanted, and show she wanted for many, many years to come.
It isn't a fluke or an outlier. It's a fact that married couples on reality tv have a very high divorce rate, far higher than the average population.
I'd add the Mashes to that list, btw. If reality tv focuses on conflict and creating characters, it really highlighted the fractured relationship between those 2. I do admire Jenny Masche for staying off of tv and going back (did she ever leave?) to being a Physicians Assistant and settling down, re-establishing a family structure and keeping extended family in their lives, despite the fact that watching that train wreck could have destroyed their connections.

SadinVirginia said...

DWTS not a spoiler just my opinion. Shawn and Derek are probably going to win. The judges clinched it for them by giving them lower scores last night (although their free style was good - but was it dancing or gymnastics?).

Tucker's Mom said...

(although their free style was good - but was it dancing or gymnastics?).
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It was an awful lot of gymnastics, although the other women are certainly flexible and athletic. You just can't compare them to an Olympian, so I thought the advantage was there, but maybe it's not for everyone.
I don't think Val and his partner won't win. She strikes me as a cold fish, although she may be a perfectly lovely woman. For an actress, she doesn't come across on camera like say, Kirsty Ally did.
Tony's got a great shot and I think if you take the advantage of being an Olympic Gymnast out of the equation, I think Melissa edges out Shawn in style.

Tucker's Mom said...

I don't think Val and his partner won't win.
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I don't think they *will* win.
I don't know why I seem to start the day with clumsy fingers!

JudyK said...

All the couples did a great job, but Kelly leaves me cold and made an obvious error in her first dance last night--was surprised she got a 10 in spite of it.

Not a Derek fan at all, even though he's a great dancer, and like Shawn, but it was pure gymnastics and they deliberately broke the rules.

LOVE Tony and Melissa and am hoping they walk away w/ the trophy.

wowser said...

I went back and googled "kate gosselin's worst moments" and several video short video clips that have been put together were on there...loolking back, it's obvious when they were doing the couch interview at the end of season 4 that Jon wanted OUT and she made it very evident that she "was very happy" with everything. It was right after that that they called it quits. I think since she slipped up in interviews after they split that they had actually split a year before that, it actually occured right fter that couch interview. I think Kate was sooo full of herself and soooo sure that the show would NEVER end that she told Jon to get lost if he wasn't willing to do it her way! when you look back at the short clips, most of them are from the couch interviews and she was HORRIBLE and DEMEANING to him. No man in his right mind would stay and live with that. IT WAS NOT REALITY TV THAT KILLED THAT MARRIAGE - IT WAS KATE AND HOW SHE TREATED JON.!

TLC stinks said...

TLC encouraged Kate to mock and insult Jon publicly. The guy had enough, but Kate thought she was the "star" and undoubtedly believed she would move on to bigger and better things. I think the marriage would have survived if not for TLC. If you were an early watcher of the show, Kate was not that bad. I totally got how frustrated she would get when she said she needed more help from Jon. I think TLC noted that moms identified with that sentiment and the producer, Jen, pushed it to the limit.

Tucker's Mom said...

IT WAS NOT REALITY TV THAT KILLED THAT MARRIAGE - IT WAS KATE AND HOW SHE TREATED JON.!
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I think fame got to Kate's head. She really did have more potential than Jon as far as media opportunities at the time. She had K-Mart, some making school lunches project, speaking at women's conferences, Healthtex, not to mention books.
Instead of turning toward each other, they turned away and i'm not sure what it would have taken for that to happen had the money and freebies not been rolling in.
I have a feeling that Jon would have got out from under Kate's rule at some point in his 30's. That parent-child relationship wasn't going to last forever and I believe that seeing it on TV, and having countless thousands witness the abuse every single week really made Jon wake up.

Tucker's Mom said...

I totally got how frustrated she would get when she said she needed more help from Jon. I think TLC noted that moms identified with that sentiment and the producer, Jen, pushed it to the limit.
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It's funny how TLC pandered to both sexes with this ploy. Moms can relate to having a husband who doesn't help enough with the babies/kids and Dads can relate to the nagging when they know they really do help around the house.
I knew Kate was too big for her britches when TLC started to show her mean-spirited sense of humor, like when she oh-so-coyly flirted with the camera and complained how Jon never helps and she has to do it all by herself, simply because the man stopped taking care of the kids for 5 minutes while Kate threw crap on paper plates for lunch.

foxy said...

The Roloff's seem to be doing fine. They have been married 25 years, their 4 kids are on their way, especially Molly, and they have a few new episodes. Even though Amy became frustrated with Matt a lot of times, I would have also, they work together in rearing the children and making a good life for themselves and their family. I have Amy's cook book. She did a great job with simple recipes, and great photography.

foxy said...

I don't know why "new episodes" is in blue, but whatevah!!

Tucker's Mom said...

foxy said... 12
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Great example. I've probably never watched a whole episode, but from what I understand, Matt and Amy have not morphed into different people, moved to a mansion and give up their family business.
Kate's family and old friends probably don't even recognize her anymore, and I'm not talking just the physical alterations. Just look at what her good friend Jamie said about her on the last episode. "I tell Kate she's not Angelina Jolie, and she gets mad at me!".

Formerly Duped said...

I think some of the reality 'stars' were picked obviously for their unique situations: wrestler, celeb twins, HOM, rich, struggling, famous. I think many of them were doomed b/c of that difference from the rest of the population. (May I add that fathers of chronically or terminally ill children often leave the family ,as well, from my own observations as a pediatric nurse.)Also I think that only certain types of people would agree to a TV show photographing their every move- seeking fame, wealth etc ( exception- FW)

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I wish everyone could give Joy a break- I didn't read what she posted and I don't watch DWTS, but I do know Joy is a loyal regular here and I would miss her if she left.I know a spoiler is terribly annoying, but I think we should treat one another as in 'real life.'

JudyK said...

Formerly Duped #15...I'm lost. Who's Joy and what are you referring to?

I lost my Mother earlier this month and I'm missing a lot. I've been in rote mode and feel like I'm not in my body.

Tucker's Mom said...

I lost my Mother earlier this month and I'm missing a lot. I've been in rote mode and feel like I'm not in my body.
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I'm so sorry. My mom's 4th anniversary was recently and it still hurts. When she passed, I had many dreams of her and that helped. Still does, when it happens.
The first holidays are hard, so I wish you peace to get through it.

Formerly Duped said...

JudyK:

It was in the last thread but I didn't read it- just the backlash.A partial spoiler about DWTS I gather

My sympathy on the loss of your mother. It's never easy to lose a parent- I have lost both so I can understand how you must feel.It will get better. xo

Divorce Rates said...

ucker's Mom said... 3

It isn't a fluke or an outlier. It's a fact that married couples on reality tv have a very high divorce rate, far higher than the average population.

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The US has a divorce rate of approximately 50%. What is the divorce rate for reality TV couples, since you say it is fact that the rate is far higher?

RonnieandMaggie said...

Don't forget all the Bravo Real Housewife shows that had married couples divorce after one or more seasons on the air.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

I'm not sure divorce statistics have that much relevance since, statistics or not, it is definitely arguable that many of these couples would not have broken up, or at least not as soon as they did, without the pressure of their show helping it along. Many couples have outright blamed their reality show for their breakup. The Hogans were one of them.

I am in the camp that believes that without the reality show, Kate would have puttered along with Jon for many more years to come. She may not have been the happiest, but she would have stuck it out. I firmly believe that divorce had everything to do with Jon wanting to end the show. Kate saw him standing in the way and had no choice but to cut him off at the knees if she wanted that money train to keep on chugging. She even alludes to her advisers telling her as such. The biggest indicator of that was who filed for divorce--Kate.

Blowing In The Wind said...

I think what happened with the DWTS thing last night is that the poster had been asked several times, from bloggers and a request from admin, to please not post ANYTHING about DWTS because even if it's not an outright spoiler, some people don't want to read anything about it before they've seen the show.

In spite of these requests, not just last night but previously as well, the person still posted. There are some who have faithfully followed DWTS and for them, who have watched each episode and do not want to know about anything that's happened before they see it, it really is annoying.

In this case, moderation tonight may be the only way to go, since there may be some who just can't conceal their excitement or disappointment when the winner is announced.

IDModo said...

Just reading from the last thread and thinking that Joy is not really Joy. Her adolescent exuberance sounds a lot like Kate in her dumb cheerleader mode.

readerlady said...

JudyK -- So sorry to hear about your mother. That's a blow that, no matter how old you are and how prepared you think you are, rocks you to your foundation. Virtual hugs, lots of them, and a prayer for your peace of mind heading your way.

TLC stinks 9 -- I never got how frustrated she'd get with Jon, saying she needed more help. To me, it seemed pretty clear right from the get-go that he did most of the child care and a substantial part of the household maintenance -- the man even ironed! Most women would kill for a husband who put in that much time around the house and in childcare on top of a 40+ hour work week. I think the beginning of the end was when KK badgered Jon into quitting his job. He wound up being a house-husband. There's nothing at all wrong with that, but she continually downgraded his contributions and efforts. She made fun of him because he "needed help" to run the household, yet she was never without help herself, and apparently substantially more help than Jon needed to do the same job. I get it. Caring for 6 babies at once is rough and when it's 24/7 that can be a ball-breaker, but IMO the main reason the marriage imploded was KKs utter lack of respect for Jon. She didn't believe in teamwork, which is what it takes to make a marriage, or any partnership, work. If she couldn't have her way, as she said in that memo to Jon, everyone was going to be miserable.

Anonymous said...


Reality tv attracts a certain kind of person. Normal people don't do reality tv. I would guess that all the divorces would've happened anyway because of the type of people they are, not because of the tv cameras. The housewives franchise is a perfect example of that. They are narcissistic, immature, spoiled brats. Are their divorces surprising? Not in the least.

And I always thought the few episodes where Amy and Matt's marriage was "in trouble" was for ratings. I didn't buy into that storyline at all.

BTW, jessica Simpson cheated on Nick Lachey. Not sure what reality tv had to do with that. And the farmer's wife seemed pretty predictable that they would divorce, again, not sure what the documentary had to do with that.

heather

Tucker's Mom said...

The US has a divorce rate of approximately 50%. What is the divorce rate for reality TV couples, since you say it is fact that the rate is far higher?
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Empirical evidence for about 2 decades now shows that most of these couples split.
I think people/couples who do reality tv may have some sort of fracture in the relationship or need within themselves to begin with, and all they need is the pressure of a show and the egging on to begin to unravel.

Lilly said...

IDModo - 23 - i think you may be on to something...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...


TLC stinks 9 -- I never got how frustrated she'd get with Jon, saying she needed more help. To me, it seemed pretty clear right from the get-go that he did most of the child care and a substantial part of the household maintenance -- the man even ironed!


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I agree. It was clear to me not only was Jon working all day but would be with the kids all night. Kate's frustration was real, he wasn't fulfilling all her post it notes. But where her mistake was, was that she didn't recognize or appreciate all that he was doing. She didn't appreciate that time with the babies IS what they need and IS helping. There was so much to be done, far more than one man could possibly do. She wanted miracles out of him while not pulling her own weight.

We never saw Jon relaxed on the couch with a Sports Illustrated and watching T.V. or playing Angry Birds on his phone. Not once. He was running around like crazy, and this after putting in a full day at work.

I think the thing I found frustrating very early on was that Jon was far more hands on with those kids than many fathers. Many kids would be so lucky to have a dad who so lovingly washes their hair making sure to put in conditioner for the girls. Kate didn't get this, appreciate it, or reward it. She just nagged. And having grown up with someone who was a nag, my immediate reaction is a visceral one. In fact a lot of marriage therapists will say that nagging is arguably one of the worst mistakes you can make in a relationship.

Julianna said...

"In this case, moderation tonight may be the only way to go, since there may be some who just can't conceal their excitement or disappointment when the winner is announced."

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Right. Moderation works here. Even if someone doesn't come out and announce the winner by name (Val and Kelly won!!!!!), if they post something like, "I'm celebrating. They finally got it right. The winners were amazing, best dance ever," if that person had posted previously that he/she was a Val and Kelly fan, you would know exactly who won.

Tucker's Mom said...

And the farmer's wife seemed pretty predictable that they would divorce, again, not sure what the documentary had to do with that.

heather
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I agree. Juanita was going to "outgrow" Daryl sooner or later. She knew she had the smarts to change her life and Daryl seemed quite threatened by that. Just the fact that he lied to Juanita about getting her teeth fixed made me happy to see her get an education so no one else could manipulate her with empty promises.
Juanita took the bull by the horns whereas Daryl was just doing the same damn thing over and over again and expecting a different result.
You can look at recent pics of Juanita and the girls and see how they're thriving.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

I think Juanita and Darrel would have split eventually but they are still part of the reality t.v. curse.

There are some post-show articles around that time that give a little insight. They were instant celebrities for a time, and you can see the pressure it put on them. The felt like they had to represent the small farmers of America. They went to Los Angeles and the beach for the first time, gave speeches, it was all very overwhelming. That may have accelerated the breakup. Juanita seemed more open to being the voice of her group and making a difference in that way, Darrel clearly just wanted to have a quiet life and farm.

Long time observer said...

Admin- I respect your desire to stay out of blog wars.I hope this comment will be ok, but if you decided to delete I understand.

I find it fascinating (and frightening) that there have been so many who have crossed the line from a simple internet argument and taken it into real life.

Early on in this exercise (and before this particular blog began) a few people began searching for the real identities of bloggers/moderators who they didn't agree with. The rationale behind this behavior was never clear to me. I once read a comment where someone said they felt 'safer' knowing the name of a particular person and the city she lived in.

I've long thought about writing a book on this topic but I honestly have no idea where to begin. Between the various blogs and multiple screen names, it's been hard to keep up.

In my personal opinion, it does seem that the Sheeple were the first to take things to a personal level on behalf of Kate. They justify their actions because they are defending an unemployed millionaire.

aggiemom09121416 said...

Kate's a user and a parasite.
She went from her parents house to her first boyfriend's. That lasted a while, then she started looking for an upgrade-Jon fit the bill being a dentist's son.
That was good enough until TLC and Steve punched her ticket on the gravy train.

If the show hadn't come along, I think she would have stayed with Jon until something better came along.
As far as the poster above thinking Kate was not too bad in the early days, I respectfully disagree...her diary shows what a tyrant she was from the very beginning.

Now since TLC has thrown her off the train, she's looking for another one. Steve seems to be the only one that hasn't taken the bait, legally that is.

Amy2 said...

When Kate started slapping Jon on the face and then turning to the cameras to look for validation that her actions were okay, that did it for me. Here was a man who was a loving father and working his bu** off taking care of them. IMO Jon understood the reality of the situation with caring for a boatload of children. He knew the hard work that went with taking care of them. And he rolled up his sleeves and took on the job. And Kate? Not so much.

The other thing that got me was when Kate turned to the camera and said honestly, I have 9 children to take care of. No you don't. Kate was lucky to have Jon and she threw him out, drove over him with her bus then back up and drove over him again and again.

Reality TV didn't kill this marriage, Kate's greed did.

Tucker's Mom said...

IDModo said... 23
Just reading from the last thread and thinking that Joy is not really Joy. Her adolescent exuberance sounds a lot like Kate in her dumb cheerleader mode.
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I was thinking that last night. Joy has been a great poster, aside from mentioning dwts, IIRC.

Jen said...

It was crazy that Jon was the one that took care of those kids, even when she was on her 5-Star book tour, and then she tossed HIM out of the house. I wish he'd had the sense to toss HER out and keep the house and kids.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Jen said... 36
It was crazy that Jon was the one that took care of those kids, even when she was on her 5-Star book tour, and then she tossed HIM out of the house. I wish he'd had the sense to toss HER out and keep the house and kids.

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Timing is everything. Had he filed for divorce and full custody right when she was on her long tour of abandonment of her family, he probably could have gotten full custody. But he stuck it out and then SHE filed right at the best moment for her.

readerlady said...

Admin -- I agree with you and, after I read Robert's book, I've formed a theory. Robert said that the plan, conceived by TLC, was for Jon to file and that he was blindsided when KK filed. If y'all remember, KK said that Jon's actions over the weekend forced her to file. Since there was nothing scandalous or incriminating reported in the scandal rags at that time, I think "Jon's actions" consisted of insisting that they go to marriage counseling and refusing to file as planned. KK was dead set, with TLC's support and encouragement, on ending the marriage. So she went ahead and filed herself. That may not be what happened, but I think it's a plausible theory.

I've always been impressed with the Mowry sisters. They seem to have their priorities straight. Their younger brother, Taj, was a Disney child star, and he's grown up well too, by all reports. I remember hearing an interview with Tim Reed and Jackee Harry toward the end of "Sister, Sister" and they both gave the girls' parents a lot of credit for keeping them on track. They insisted on schoolwork coming first and encouraged outside interests. They didn't allow the girls to become spoiled or to throw their weight around. Both girls went to college and obtained degrees (Pepperdine, IIRC).

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

The Mowry sisters also took a break from acting to get a full college education. They both have psychology degrees. Their younger brother who was also a child star on Full House (remember cute little Teddy??) got his advertising degree.

It seems to me a key to helping child actors grow up straight is making sure they still have the opportunity to have normal experiences like school.

Tucker's Mom said...

If y'all remember, KK said that Jon's actions over the weekend forced her to file.
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Which made CC's Scott's public statement about Kate's firing all the more karmic.
She had the temerity to put it out there that Jon was doing God knows what. What actions? Could be anything. Many people assumed the worst. Was he a danger to the kids? Was he committing felonies? Doing something immoral? I don't know. But, that's Kate's MO. Imply and obfuscate. But Kate got a taste of her own medicine when Scott basically said the same thing about her.
"A series of recent events have made it clear to me that Kate Gosselin and her contributions do not align with the authenticity which we set out to build almost a decade ago," CEO Scott Kluth posted on his website Tuesday in an open letter."
Ouch.

Anonymous said...


So Juanita would have been better off staying married?

I'm confused by this example of a "marriage torn apart" by the evils of reality tv. She was going to college, working outside the home and obviously wanted a life that was not dependent on the farm financially. Her husband wanted a housewife and a farm. Two entirely different viewpoints and the tv show had nothing to do with the family's finances as they weren't paid for the show.

The show didn't kill the marriage. They outgrew each other because they wanted different lifestyles.

So you believe that if it wasn't for the show, they would have remained married?

heather

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Tucker you're right karma came around for the way she has always implied the worst in people. Good for Scott. The sheeple hated him for doing it that way--well, then I guess they should hate Kate too because that's always how she does things too. Not so fun to be on the other side is?

This is indeed Kate's MO and it's a shitty MO, pardon my French. Say what you mean or don't say anything at all. She does this all the time, the latest with his power being out. She knew EXACTLY what she was doing, but when called on her crap, knows she can say who what me?

Blowing In The Wind said...

Just reading from the last thread and thinking that Joy is not really Joy. Her adolescent exuberance sounds a lot like Kate in her dumb cheerleader mode.

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So are you thinking that Joy was a sheeple plant put here to stir things up? Her post was followed by drive-by posts criticizing her and one contained a STFU, something nobody here ever does.

However, if you read back over previous posts by "Joy" regarding DWTS, they are all filled with "adolescent exuberance" over Melissa and Tony, posting numbers to call to vote for them because Kelly and Shawn each have been winners in DWTS, and Kelly and Val may announce their engagement and Shawn is a gold medal gymnast.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Heather I have no idea about their marriage. I'm not saying anything absolutely at all.

I'm just saying that there are some insightful articles post-show about what they went through that show how much pressure they were under. I certainly am not going to comment on whether she would be better off staying married to him--that's her business and her decision. Whether you feel reality t.v. has nothing to do with their marriage, the point being their T.V. show did put them under some pressure, there's just no denying that.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Heather just one point of clarification. I never said any of these couples were "torn apart" by reality t.v. Rather, I said they are part of the reality t.v. curse. There's a difference. A curse is a curse, as the old saying goes, it is what it is. What role reality t.v. played, if at all, depends on the situation.

Elvis Fan said...

I came out of lurkdom about the end of September, posted a few times, and then my computer crashed. EEK! All fixed now. Finally caught up on all posts. There are so many I would've loved to comment on!

Agree about not spoiling DWTS for others. Rooting for Tony & Melissa tonight. Have never seen Tony so happy!

I do agree that reality T.V. has some role in these divorces, but in J & K's case, I believe it would've ended anyway. One person does not make a marriage.. Jon carried the ball in every aspect. Kate destroyed that marriage,as she destroys everything in her wake. Thank God Jon is finally free. Now, if only the kids could gain their freedom...

(waving to Blowing in the Wind)

readerlady said...

Admin -- Yeah, Jessica Simpson cheated on Nick. She was very immature, dumb as a box of rocks, and has a father who is reportedly very much like KK. She may have a multi-million dollar empire, but she's a joke in the industry. Nick may not be as successful financially, but he has a lovely wife, an absolutely gorgeous baby boy (have you seen pix of that baby? He's BEAUTIFUL!) and is very well respected in his home town of Cincinnati. They're very proud of him there and he does all he can to promote the city and to raise awareness for good causes.

Did anyone else get in on the Kindle deals yesterday? I wound up downloading about 25 books, some from new (to me) authors and some old favorites, for around $50. Did I need them? No. But I sure WANTED them, LOL!! If I had unlimited funds, I probably could have found 100 or more to download. As it is, my Kindle is overstuffed now and operating slowly. I need to go in and send some books to archives.

Formerly Duped said...

Juanita and Darryl stayed together for a few years after the show. They were not happy during the filming but Juanita and Darryl tried counseling,letting J take over the finances and D picked up some domestic chores, and J went to college for financial reasons but also to fulfill her dream of an education. I think they would have grown apart even further than they had regardless of the show, but J was kind of 'stuck' with no means of taking care of the kids, no help from her own family and D could not have afforded child support. I think once she was more independent she saw the future and could do something about it - although both remarried so who knows.


Jon took a lot of abuse from Kate and I wondered why. I think it was his personality then and his dedication to the kids, perhaps fear they would be abused more if he left- he did most of the childcare and chores. I'm glad they split for his sake and for the kids.The lure of fame and fortune did get to him, but it did not help their marriage- it made it worse.

Paula said...

Readerlady...I met Jessica Simpson once. She is hardly "dumb as a box of rocks". We should all be "dumb" enough to create a $700 million empire.

Elvis Fan said...

@readerlady I downloaded the Kindle app to my PC (for Robert's book) I'd love to buy the Kindle Fire HD. If I do buy it, do I have the choice as to where the book is downloaded? Because I'd like to use the Kindle rather than the app.

Elvis Fan said...

In defense of readerlady, Jessica really isn't all that bright. I watched her reality show. In one scene, she and a friend are sniffing candles. Jessica says "oh! this is my favorite scent!" Her friend replies, "Jessica, that one is unscented." ...and have we forgotten about the tuna? These are just examples. I don't think Jessica has the brains to create such an empire. Her "people" created that empire.

Permanent Name in Blue said...

JudyK,

My condolences on the loss of your mom. I'll keep you in my meditations, thinking peace for you in this time of loss.

Hugs

NJGal51 said...

Elvis Fan@ 49

To answer your question, you always have a choice as to where you want the book to go. I've got my Kindle, my iPad, my husbands Kindle and my PC. When you order you just use the drop down box telling where to deliver the book. What's nice is that I can download to both the Kindle and iPad and read it on either one and they will sinc the furtherst page that I've read.

What's Next? said...

Bringing this over from the last thread. I thought the "DD" reference was referring to Permanent Name in Blue's avatar.

TLC stinks said...

aggiemom said...
As far as the poster above thinking Kate was not too bad in the early days, I respectfully disagree...her diary shows what a tyrant she was from the very beginning.
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Until I read Robert's book, I had no idea how bad she was. The first year the show aired I was hooked because the babies were so cute. It wasn't until she started nagging and bad mouthing Jon on the show that I had enough. I should have known it was much worse behind the cameras. I thought Jon did an excellent job as a parent and contributed much to running the household. As time went on, Kate just appeared to be lazy, not frazzled with eight kids.

Paula said...

Not surprising that Gabriel Autry's story is TOTALLY different than the one Halle and Oliver told. Wanna bet that Surveillance Tape "mysteriously" disappears?

Tucker's Mom said...

Not surprising that Gabriel Autry's story is TOTALLY different than the one Halle and Oliver told. Wanna bet that Surveillance Tape "mysteriously" disappears?
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What a doofus Gabriel is. I think they're all acting like imbeciles, but seriously, you're a male model with a face that could launch a thousand ships and you pick a fight with an ex-boxer?
He got beat to a pulp!
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Until I read Robert's book, I had no idea how bad she was.
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I had no idea how over-scheduled the family was. I got Kate's frustration with the scheduling, but it just proved to me that it was all about filming and making episodes, not memories really.
I also appreciated the lengths that they all went to in order to have J+K continue to be "normal", despite their new and substantial wealth. A 2 million dollar home? Yes, you are not the same anymore, but you'll keep on fooling everyone.

Anonymous said...

ok, Im going to weigh in here re the dwts since I was one of the ones who criticized Joy last week although we were cool afterwards and I did not post anything last night.

I have read the comments that its only a reality show; who cares, why get so worked up about it...etc... I realize that. However, suppose any of you watch a reality show like the bachelor, dwts, survivor, celebrity apprentice. There are spoilers all over the internet about the elimination order The thing that is nice about DWTS is that it is live. Some people do not want to know what the outcome is during the show. 12 hours later, well, come on. Everyone has watched it or knows. But during the show on EST, no, it isnt for lack of a better word, kosher. I do feel badly for Joy but I was surprised after last weeks backlash that she started discussing the show. Which brings me to another question. Supposing Joy had not been one of the regular posters here, had been a drive by, sheeple, whatever. Would the regular posters here who were a little annoyed with me and others, been as forgiving to her? I dont think so.
I wanted to thank the admin. for moderating. It is a shame that it has come to that. I did mention this last week that a lot of us do not watch it live; we tape or DVR it to skip the endless commercials. While waiting, I go to neutral blogs like this one to catch up. I dont even attempt FB because no one can keep quiet there! I figured that everyone would be talking about KK or dog stories which I enjoy. But enough of this. Thanks again for moderating but I think if possible, I may watch it live :)

SJ girl

Kate is a twit said...

I live on the east coast, and I was excited about DWTS last night. However, *I* read the requests to not spoil the show for the west-coasters, so I said nothing.

That being said--I don't feel it's right to vilify one poster for her exuberance in wanting to share what happened. Perhaps she didn't see the warnings about not spoiling the show. I too, am happy about Melissa and Tony, and they're getting the perfect scores and doing so well. When something is happening in "real" time, it's hard not to talk about it. I don't blame Joy for letting her enthusiasm show.

But, I also agree with those who are upset about "spoilers". I just find it sad, that people are ready to vilify one poster, because her enthusiasm for a certain couple was posted.

If you don't want to know the results or what happens, skip over the posts. Don't go online at all, because most home pages have the results posted as soon as they happen. I can understand both sides of the equation--but am really saddened by the posts directed at Joy.

I am rooting for Melissa and Tony-not because of Kate-but because I feel that they really gave it their all, and that Tony had a partner who he could teach(unlike Kate). They made it to the finals once, and now they're there again. Team Melissa and Tony!!

The DWTS finale is on tonight from 9pm ET until 11pm ET, which means that on the west coast it will not be over until 2am ET. So I do hope people will refrain from posting results. But I also hope that people will not vilify people who throught their own enthusiasm and excitement accidentally do so.

readerlady said...

Elvis Fan -- I see NJGal already answered your question about where you send your book. One of the cool things about Amazon is you can actually give your Kindle a name. Of course, you can just call it "Elvis Fan's Kindle" or Kindle Fire 1 or whatever, but if you want to get creative and come up with an original name for it, you can do that when you register it. As NJGal also pointed out, you can download to multiple devices. I have a Kindle, the Kindle app on my computer, and the Kindle app on my iphone. You can also download to the Cloud system. If you buy a book from a source other than Amazon, you can send the book to your Amazon documents collection and preserve it so if your device crashes (happens occasionally) or you get another device you don't lose the book. For that privilege, they charge a whopping $.15 per MB of data. That usually amounts to several books. I'll be interested to hear how you like your Fire. I want to get one, but I'm waiting for the one with 4G to come down in price a bit. I don't always have a stable WiFi connection at home, so I'd prefer having 4G capability. Also, I agree with you, I think most of Jessica's empire was developed by her "handlers", particularly her father.

Paula said...

LOL - the "chicken of the sea" segment was about as real as those segments showing kate Gosselin as a "warm and caring mother". Some of you still don't get that there is nothing "real" about reality tv. Still, I'm not getting into any drama over Jessica Simpson.

Also, Tucker's Mom, Gabriel's avadavit indicates that Oliver jumped and hit him as he was walking back to his car. Also, I am reading that the judge re-instated Gabriel's visition with his daughter. Maybe Halle finally went too far...

Flight of the Kiwi said...

Kate is a Twit - I agree about not vilifying our friend Joy. I do not believe for one minute she intentionally set out to upset anyone. Not her style.

Blame ambien.*

She has taken on us on such wonderfully narrated trips across the country. Plus, I like her beach house.

I'm selfish that way.

On Mars it is Thursday, 2017(haven't a clue as to the month - Mars is weird). I guess y'all don't wanna know what happens tonight or over the next 5 years on "Dancing, Really?" (shows new title as of 2014) But I gotta say paring Lindsay Lohan with Benny Dontstepinthecrapov, the Ukranian Polka/Hokey Pokey fusion dance world champion, wasn't the ratings gold ABC thought it would be.

PS - Keep in mind that Joy has borrowed the 1980's era heirloom faux ultra suede brown Lazy-Boy recliner on a few occasions. Not being the experienced space traveler, well, let's just say the jet lag is difficult to overcome.

* Disclaimer - I have no idea whether Joy or anyone else for that matter partakes of the ambien. Not even me. I have no idea whether I partake of the ambien. For that, I blame ambien.**

** Always wanted to do the asterisk thing. Crossing that off my bucket list. Oh, wait taking it out of my bucket? Putting it in my bucket? Kate has me soooo confused. Whatever, when I kick the bucket the obit can document I did the asterisk thing. Be nervous. Footnotes are next.

AuntieAnn said...

Tucker's Mom said... 56

I also appreciated the lengths that they all went to in order to have J+K continue to be "normal", despite their new and substantial wealth. A 2 million dollar home? Yes, you are not the same anymore, but you'll keep on fooling everyone.
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Same with Sister Wives. Kody wants his harem all to live in the same cul de sac in four different houses but first they have to have their mortgages approved. One of them has a bad credit rating, which shouldn't matter because TLC has probably paid them millions to act all stressed out at the loans office. They could easily pay cash for all four houses.

Meanwhile they all seem to pretend to wonder what they'll do for a living now that they're in Sin City. They keep whining and complaining about this money dilemma but they must have a something stashed away because Kody is taking wife #1 on a trip to Mexico and none of the other three look as if they're starving to death. And we're supposed to forget about the money they're getting for this show...yeah, ooookay.

I predict at least two of them are going to stick it out with that a-hole until the contract is up and then split. It looks to me like Janelle feels this whole circus is an affront to her morals and Christine is going to throw a tantrum and bow out because she clearly jealous of Robyn.

This would all be funny except there are 18 kids involved whose lives will probaby never be the same again because some of their lazy-ass parents made a deal with the devil when they signed with TLC.

Dmasy said...

Auntie Ann, I have the same curiosity about the girls on Teen Mom. They are stressing about money all the time. Yet, they are paid by MTV. Are they scripted to have financial worries and be relatable? They all have nice new cars and live in lovely rental properties. 2 of them have gone to expensive re-hab locations. It just does not make sense. Reality?

Elvis Fan said...

@readerlady and NJgal Thank you both so much for the info. Really helps! As for Jessica, just don't think she's very bright, but I'm sure she's probably a nice person. JMO. That being said, I'll back off from that subject.

Tucker's Mom said...

Same with Sister Wives. Kody wants his harem all to live in the same cul de sac in four different houses but first they have to have their mortgages approved.
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How Big Love!

AuntieAnn said...

Dmasy - I think reality tv producers assume their viewers are all sheeple who never question anything.

Formerly Duped said...

My husband does take Ambien CR and sleep-eats! He is very upset to find that he has actually put on the oven to made fish stix or walked downstairs and eaten very odd mixtures. I'm a light(bad) sleeper so I am always awake for his shenanigans but it worries me- I told him to get a new Rx for another drug.He forgets it all in the AM but the evidence or my reports are there.

Anonymous said...

TLC encouraged Kate to mock and insult Jon publicly. The guy had enough, but Kate thought she was the "star" and undoubtedly believed she would move on to bigger and better things. I think the marriage would have survived if not for TLC. If you were an early watcher of the show, Kate was not that bad. I totally got how frustrated she would get when she said she needed more help from Jon
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I think their marriage would have lasted longer, but would have eventually ended in divorce because Kate is never satisfied. She would have kept her eyes open for someone with more money and prospects than Jon, and treated him as her stepping stone.

Kate might not have been "that bad" when the show first started, but she is and was a deeply flawed human being. I don't see how she could honestly be frustrated with Jon. He was working full time. She was working every other Saturday. She was allegedly the full time homemaker, yet we know she had many volunteers in the home from the start, including a fulltime nurse for the first 12 months of the sextuplets' lives, paid for by taxpayer money. How much help did Kate need??? Why wouldn't a full time nurse and numerous volunteers doing grocery shopping, laundry, and child care not have been more than enough to help Kate out? What more was Jon supposed to do after working a full day, than coming home and "taking over", bathing the kids, putting them to bed, etc.?

If they were both working full time, then perhaps she could have had some complaint. But she wasn't working but two Saturdays a month! Meantime, Jon is working 40 hours a week, commuting, making Kate's coffee before he leaves for work, and then taking over with the kids upon his return. She had a lot of nerve complaining about one darn thing!

JudyK said...

Thanks to Tucker's Mom, Formerly Duped, Readerlady, and Permanent Name for your nice comments on my mother's passing. It is so hard to deal with, but your words were very comforting.

silimom said...

Have to pick up kids, run errands and prep for ABA therapy today but wanted to chime in on the DWTS debate:

Here's a really easy way to settle the issue: There can be no DWTS posts until the day after the show. The day of the show, people should refrain from speculation.

That would solve the problem, I think.

Seriously, if you want to speculate and you can't wait to discuss it, then go talk on the DWTS forums. Just wait until the next day to talk about it here. At that point, anything that happened will already be news and "out there", so it's free game to discuss imo.

Hope I haven't offended, that wasn't my intent. Just don't like to see everyone upset over something that imo is really not worth the emotional energy. I like DWTS, it's just not worth getting into a flame war over it. Again, imo.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Speculation wasn't the problem. Outright spoilers was the problem. Rules don't help when they aren't followed. Therefore we will go on moderation tonight at 9 est.

AuntieAnn said...

JudyK said... 70

Thanks to Tucker's Mom, Formerly Duped, Readerlady, and Permanent Name for your nice comments on my mother's passing. It is so hard to deal with, but your words were very comforting.

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Oh Judy, I'm so sorry, I didn't see your post about your loss. I would also like to offer my condolences.

I hope time will help you to overcome your grief. You are in my thoughts.

AuntieAnn said...

Flight of the Kiwi, glad to see you are back from Mars too. Dmasy and I were going to send out a search party, but you know NASA and their loopholes. Hope you are well.

Tucker's Mom said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 72
Speculation wasn't the problem. Outright spoilers was the problem. Rules don't help when they aren't followed. Therefore we will go on moderation tonight at 9 est.
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I admire your restraint in not putting the blog on moderation, even when the trolls come to stir stuff up, but I think this is the right call.
I'm an east coaster and don't have to worry about it, but I think I would have been bummed by the spoilers last night.
I hope Joy joins back in.

Lilly said...

Judyk - try and think of things you laughed, giggled about together - smiles and grins are forever and available anytime - condolences

Lukerforevenlonger said...

I hate seeing people trying to bring this blog into a blog war. Admin has done a good job at keeping out of it.

But lets face it; Moon, Sharla and DD were really good at outing the sheeple. I was here the night Sharla was outing Admin. Truthers have done it Sheeple have done it. It was fun to bash BM when she was in her heyday but did her family and children really need to be brought into it? They were. I saw the pictures and the blog.

From what I have heard on the street a few truthers have really crossed the line in their quest to out the sheeple and have paid dearly for it. Sad it got to that point. I hope they have unplugged their computers and moved on.

fidosmommy said...

Comment #1. Joy, we love you here. Or at least I do, and I'm glad you are here with us.
Don't ever change because you bring, well, joy to this blog.

Comment #2. I believe if Kate had not had the money rolling in from TLC that she would have stayed with Jon simply because he brought in a paycheck most of the time. And because he was
willing to deal with 6 kids plus 2 kids doing the icky things parents do. While he nurtured kids, she cleaned kitchen floors and followed the maid around to see what a lousy job she was doing. Whatever would Kate do if she had to work outside the home AND follow the help around AND shampoo her children's hair AND get them dressed in perfectly matching outfits every single day? She needed a Jon and would have welcomed a Jon clone, too.

Question: What do you do when somebody just won't learn? An acquaintance of mine has just run out of gas on the highway for maybe the 18th time. He's got a cash flow problem but that's mostly because he has decided he "can't"
do anything but a clerical job and none is available. He carries a FULL gasoline can in the back of his car for emergencies, and he has plenty of emergencies. To make it worse, his gas can leaks into the car. The man is breathing fresh gas fumes every time he is in his car, which he sits in for extended periods of time as he searches for free wi-fi around town. Sometimes his teen age sons are in the car too.

Talking to him leads to denial that there is a problem, telling him how dangerous this is falls on deaf ears, telling him that he is likely ruining his fuel pump ($$) goes nowhere.
I was driving home from out of town and there he was on the side of the road, no gas.

I know how wrong it is to think I should have driven right on by and let him figure this out on his own. I wonder how many more times he should be rescued and how soon he should discover that God doesn't always provide a passing car driven by someone you know. I'm struggling with this to know the best course of action.

Thanks for listening and letting me vent. It's a pretty safe place here.

PatK said...

Flight of the Kiwi, it's good to see you back again! JudyK, my deepest condolences on your mom's passing.

As for DWTS spoilers, I agree putting the board on moderation tonight is the best solution for eliminating the stress.

Personally, I'm one of those who LOVES spoilers for all my tv shows. I belong to a board where I get all such info and then I enjoy watching it play out on tv. There's nothing wrong with feeling one way or the other about spoilers. To each his own! :)



Tucker's Mom said...

Is is possible to pool money together and get him a AAA membership? He sounds like he's doesn't use the common sense the good Lord gave him, but I'm sure you worry about the kids.
Other than that, when you see him on the side of the road the next time, call the non-emergency number for roadside assistance in your state.

Tucker's Mom said...

fidosmommy said... 78
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Tucker's Mom said... 80 (this was for you fidosmommy)

KathyB said...

Judy K said... 16
Formerly Duped #15...I'm lost. Who's Joy and what are you referring to?

I lost my Mother earlier this month and I'm missing a lot. I've been in rote mode and feel like I'm not in my body.

Judy, Lost my mom 13 months ago and I know exactly what you mean and how you are feeling. For me it's getting better. Please accept my sincere condolences. This blog served as a distraction and comfort for me many times this past 13 months.

AuntieAnn said...

Kate Gosselin ‏@Kateplusmy8

After this day, I have no more words left...So simply,Good night my twitter friends aka supporters/ones who cheer me up & make me smile! XO
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After this day?

What happened to poor Kate? Did she break a nail?

Tucker's Mom said...

What happened to poor Kate? Did she break a nail?
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I know, it sounds dire, doesn't it? Kate's been tweeting a lot of platitudes and positive affirmations lately, so something's up.
I'd have expected this tweet after her public flogging, err, firing from CC, but it seems that she was keeping herself busy in front of the camera so...shiny balls and all that.

SaraMRN2010 said...

Kathryn and Judy

I lost my mom September 2, 2007. Although it is getting a little easier I still miss her like crazy. She was only 62 so I feel as if I was cheated out of many years with her. My heart goes out to both of you.

Remona Blue said...

AuntieAnn said... 83
''Kate Gosselin ‏@Kateplusmy8
After this day, I have no more words left...So simply,Good night my twitter friends aka supporters/ones who cheer me up & make me smile! XO
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After this day?
What happened to poor Kate? Did she break a nail?''
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I have no idea what happened to KK, but I hope it has something to do with her getting into trouble w/the court for her big fat mouth concerning Jon's electricity and encouraging her insane fan's complaints about Liz and her dog being around the children!! It would be icing on the cake if she was called on the carpet about pretending she has the children when they are actually with Jon!

butterfly said...

Flight of the Kiwi said... 62
Kate is a Twit - I agree about not vilifying our friend Joy. I do not believe for one minute she intentionally set out to upset anyone. Not her style.

Blame ambien.*

She has taken on us on such wonderfully narrated trips across the country. Plus, I like her beach house.

I'm selfish that way.

On Mars it is Thursday, 2017(haven't a clue as to the month - Mars is weird). I guess y'all don't wanna know what happens tonight or over the next 5 years on "Dancing, Really?" (shows new title as of 2014) But I gotta say paring Lindsay Lohan with Benny Dontstepinthecrapov, the Ukranian Polka/Hokey Pokey fusion dance world champion, wasn't the ratings gold ABC thought it would be.

PS - Keep in mind that Joy has borrowed the 1980's era heirloom faux ultra suede brown Lazy-Boy recliner on a few occasions. Not being the experienced space traveler, well, let's just say the jet lag is difficult to overcome.

* Disclaimer - I have no idea whether Joy or anyone else for that matter partakes of the ambien. Not even me. I have no idea whether I partake of the ambien. For that, I blame ambien.**

** Always wanted to do the asterisk thing. Crossing that off my bucket list. Oh, wait taking it out of my bucket? Putting it in my bucket? Kate has me soooo confused. Whatever, when I kick the bucket the obit can document I did the asterisk thing. Be nervous. Footnotes are next.
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ROFL- you are one funny lady!! Let us know if you ever figure out that bucket- put it in, take it out...toss the ambien in it... :)

readerlady said...

As I said last night, I'm not a DWTS fan and I mostly just scroll on past all those posts about it. I like Joy and I enjoy most of her posts, but she does get a bit carried away sometimes. I hope she comes back, too. I don't want to be a part of driving her away. So -- JOY -- I hope you are at least reading here, and if I offended you or hurt your feelings, I'm sorry. Please come back and post, AFTER DWTS is over and with NO spoilers, LOL.

My mom died in 1998, although I really lost her several years before, when her dementia got so bad that she didn't know me. It still hurts sometimes. I'll be doing something we used to do together, or I'll read a book I know she would have loved. Last week I made a pot of vegetable soup and it reminded me of all the times I helped her make it when I was a kid. I learned to make it from her, as she learned it from her mother. There's no recipe, we just threw this and that and something else into the pot. Now I use a slow cooker, and the smell takes me back to my childhood. Hold on to the good memories, JudyK. If you need to, find a grief support group. Cry when you need to and don't feel disloyal if you laugh and smile. It will get easier with time, but it will never leave you completely.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Auntie I was wondering what that shrew was lamenting about now with her poor me what a day tweet. I suspect another no means no? Another network passed on her stupid pilot? It will never see the light of day. If she simply went back to nursing she wouldn't have to worry so much about pilots being picked up.

Elvis Fan said...

Kathryn and Judy, I am so very sorry for the loss of your mothers. I can't even imagine the pain you must feel. Just know that people care, and you are never alone. You are both in my prayers tonight. God Bless and comfort you both!

AuntieAnn said...

If she simply went back to nursing she wouldn't have to worry so much about pilots being picked up.
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And if she can't find a job nursing, she's going to have to find a way to make being homeless a fun experience.

She's running out of options and the money she does have can't last forever.

PatK said...

Since Kate said she had no more words left, I wondered if she had spent the day working on one of her upcoming written masterpieces. That, and she DID get her recipe posted...

Buttercup said...

Thought you all might find this interesting. It's Google Trends for Kate (blue line), Jon (red line) and Honey Boo Boo.

http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=kate%20gosselin%2C%20jon%20gosselin%2C%20honey%20boo%20boo&cmpt=q

If you want to see exactly how "over" Kate is just look at this - she's going nowhere fast. Just look at the difference between Honey Boo Boo's trend and how high Kate got even at the height of the media frenzy.

If anything now I'm sure she's on her last gasp. Robert's book will bring her back only for one moment so that the last nail in the coffin can be driven in.

If anything this makes me sad for HBB and what her life might be in 10 years.

JudyK said...

Don't want to make this about me and that's why I never mentioned my mother's passing a bit over three (3) weeks ago, which already feels like three months ago. Time has no meaning to me right now.

However, I do want to acknowledge Auntie Ann, PatK, Kathy B, Sara, ElvisFan and Readerlady again for being thoughtful enough to send condolences...and I wanted to quote something Readerlady said above: "JudyK. If you need to, find a grief support group. Cry when you need to and don't feel disloyal if you laugh and smile. It will get easier with time, but it will never leave you completely."

Yes, I have laughed and cried more than I thought was possible. My mother was a very accomplished, respected woman and was beloved by her community. She taught English for more than 32 years at the college, so this is particularly funny to me and makes me laugh every time I think of it.

She requested that "Amazing Grace" NOT be sung at her Memorial Service, because the grammar was bad, and she was not a wretch. :)

Thanks to all of you. I've been here since the very beginning of this blog.

Rhymes with Witch said...

Sincere condolences to Kathryn and Judy. It's been several years since my Mom passed. It has gotten less raw but I miss her terribly.

JudyK said...

Lilly, I left you out of the above list. You are a new poster to me, but one of my favorites. Sorry...and thank you.

Rhymes with Witch said...

Judy, your Mother's comment about Amazing Grace made me smile. I hope it affected you that way too.

Flight of the Kiwi said...

Judy and Kathy - sincere condolences on the loss of your mothers. It seems this time of year brings loss of family/friends to the foreground. My thoughts and prayers are with you both.

A Pink Straight Jacket For Kate said...

JudyK said... 16

I lost my Mother earlier this month and I'm missing a lot. I've been in rote mode and feel like I'm not in my body.

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Judy, I'm so sorry for your loss. Please accept my condolences.

No matter our age, we still feel somewhat lost when we lose a parent.

May your dear mother rest in peace-
and may you honor her life, by living a full, happy, and balanced life.

With love,
Pink

Ladybug said...

Thank you for changing your name, dragonfly. I don't post often due to the swingshift job I've got nights/days and by the time I catch up on reading the posts I've nothing much to add to the conversation. I'm sure I'm going to be scheduled to work a killer Christmas week as well since I always say I'm fine with whatever days ... this new boss seems to take it to mean all the days.
Good to hear Downton Abby is returning, seems like ages since the last episode.

AuntieAnn said...

Judy, when our loved ones depart they leave such a hole don't they.

It sounds like your dear mom had a sense of humor. I like Amazing Grace but always wondered, too, why the person who wrote it labeled himself a wretch. I just went to Wikipedia to find out that "Newton wrote the words from personal experience. He grew up without any particular religious conviction, but his life's path was formed by a variety of twists and coincidences that were often put into motion by his recalcitrant insubordination."

Recalcitrant insubordination. Yikes.

I hope you return here more often. You're among friends.

A Pink Straight Jacket For Kate said...

KathyB said... 82

Judy, Lost my mom 13 months ago and I know exactly what you mean and how you are feeling. For me it's getting better. Please accept my sincere condolences. This blog served as a distraction and comfort for me many times this past 13 months.

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Kathy, I'm sorry for your loss as well dear. I'm glad that you found some
comfort/distraction reading this blog.

May your sweet mother rest in peace-
and may her memory bring to you endless years of strength & smiles.

With love,
Pink



caolina peach said...

Another reality family that looked like it was heading for trouble was Bethenny Frankel and her poor husband. Perhaps Bethenny feels like she doesn't deserve to be loved so she tries to drive people away. Sounds like K, doesn't it?

There's a pic of her and her little girl in Miami wearing bathing suits. That child's arm looks too thin. Starvation thin. But so does her Mom's.

Judy and Kathryn, my condolences to both. Time really does help.

Blowing In The Wind said...

"I have no idea what happened to KK, but I hope it has something to do with her getting into trouble w/the court for her big fat mouth concerning Jon's electricity and encouraging her insane fan's complaints about Liz and her dog being around the children!!"

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That would be a comeuppance, wouldn't it? However, she has never gotten into trouble before with the courts over her subtle and not-so-subtle bashing of Jon, so I doubt that's it, especially if there is no gag order on whatever she says on the internet. It's not illegal for her to make a comment about Jon having to settle with the electric company or stirring up the fans over the pit bull controversy.

"Is is possible to pool money together and get him a AAA membership? He sounds like he's doesn't use the common sense the good Lord gave him, but I'm sure you worry about the kids."

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Yes, but make sure that you buy him the AAA PLUS and not the basic. For the PLUS there is no charge for emergency gasoline delivery, but with the basic membership, customer pays. If he's low on cash flow, he's liable not to have the money to pay the AAA guy! :)

JudyK said...

Auntie Ann, yes my mother had the quickest wit of anyone I've ever known and a great sense of humor. So many people stood up at her service and told stories recounting both. Recalcitrant insubordination? I'll add my own YIKES to that!

Thank you Rhymes w/ Witch, Flight of the Kiwi (you are so funny), and Pink (you are a doll). I'm having a bad day...your words have helped. This blog is both a distraction and a source of comfort and help.

carolina peach said...

Too bad an old favorite like Amazing Grace has been so overused. If there's a funeral scene in a movie or tv, there it is usually with bagpipes. A touching and sad scene just looses it's message when they use it over and over.

Jane said...

Deanna's tweets to Kate are still gone. I can go back to March and from Nov 4 through March all I see are RTs on a variety of topics I guess she's interested in. There are a couple of RTs of Kate - benign stuff, a happy birthday to her kids, etc. All the Jon/custody tweets, mention of the vacation, tweets to the fans -- gone. In the past two days she's replied to a couple of the fans but nothing about Kate.

I won't even speculate as to what it all means. I'm surprised the fans haven't asked her about it though - at least I don't think they have? I rarely look at Twazzup these days.

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

"As for DWTS spoilers, I agree putting the board on moderation tonight is the best solution for eliminating the stress."

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Especially since the sheeple may descend here to post the results, just trying to spoil it for those who have been watching the show from the beginning. They've been known to pull similar stunts, and it wouldn't be out of character for them to try to stir things up here.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Very very interesting about Deanna. She's young, I think sometimes when you get on a roll with things next thing you know you're knee deep in quick sand. After having a few days off she may have paused, reflected, and realized what she was doing. Thus began the process of deleting all her rampages. If so good for her, introspection is a good thing. This is her career here. Or maybe she had a falling out with Kate.

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

Seriously, if you want to speculate and you can't wait to discuss it, then go talk on the DWTS forums. Just wait until the next day to talk about it here. At that point, anything that happened will already be news and "out there", so it's free game to discuss imo.

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It's been suggested before that when there's a show on television that involves a spoiler, that nobody posts until the next day, regardless of what the content may be. However, I think when some are excited about the outcome, they can't wait to post. The rule is ignored, and so spoilers get posted. You can request until you're blue in the face but if someone is hell bent on posting, there's not much that can be done about it. All the requesting in the world isn't going to solve the problem.

A Pink Straight Jacket For Kate said...

Oh, before I forget. I would like to leave my two cents on reality t.v. killing Jon & Kate's marriage....

IMO, Kate killed her marriage with her greed, her lust for fame & fortune, and her apparent indifference to her husband's wishes to end filming.

Too bad Kate sacrificed her marriage for something she is sorely ill-equipted to accomplish ...

Sad, really.

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

JudyK, I want to add my condolences on the passing of your mother, and am sorry today is one of those bad days. They come and go and eventually there are more good days than bad. If we can make you smile come and see us often. :)

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Fleece is right. The issue is not what rule to impose. I've already imposed a rule that shows like this are not be spoiled for the west coast. Usually when something big is happening I remind people as I did this time. The issue is that rule or request is not always followed.

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

"Very very interesting about Deanna. She's young, I think sometimes when you get on a roll with things next thing you know you're knee deep in quick sand. After having a few days off she may have paused, reflected, and realized what she was doing. Thus began the process of deleting all her rampages. If so good for her, introspection is a good thing. This is her career here. Or maybe she had a falling out with Kate. "

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Either scenario is possible, and you're right, she may have had second thoughts about her "middlewoman" role in the Kate-Jon saga. It could be that she stepped back and looked at everything that's going down with the custody issues, her friendship with Kate, the Liz controversy and decided that she was in too deep and she should just cool it about everything. If so, wise move on her part. When in doubt, zip it. It seemed that she was on a high because of her relationship with Kate, and since she was an insider she thought it was her job to set the record straight because she knew the truth. Self-importance, too, may have played a role here. Sheeple looked to her for answers and she was able to provide them...look at me, I know Kate, I know the truth.

KyPastor said...

In regards to Amazing Grace, its author was involved in the slave trade, bringing Africans to America to sell. When he came around and saw the sinfulness of that he considered himself a wretch who had been saved by grace alone. Amazing Grace is a very personal song.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Another possibility is that a friend saw what she was doing on twitter and had a kind talk with her getting her to think about why she is getting so involved in all this and how is it benefiting her. (Hint, it's not). She seems like a gal with lots of good friends who would do that in a nice way. I wish her the best.

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

Jane said... 107, is Deanna still following Kate?

Kate has been stressing friends lately:

Nov 22
I'm also thankful that I know who my friends r--THE most devoted loving ppl out there! You guys r my armor in tough Xs&my laughter always!XO

Nov 24
RT @iAmTheWiseOne: We never lose friends. We just discover who our real friends are.

Nov 26
After this day, I have no more words left...So simply,Good night my twitter friends aka supporters/ones who cheer me up & make me smile! XO
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She makes it sound like her tweeties are her only friends.

Paula said...

Jane, glad to see that Deanna has deleted those tweets. Her tweeting sessions could have turned out to really harm her professional and personally. Hopefully, it's a permanent decision on Deanna's part.

Jane said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 116
Another possibility is that a friend saw what she was doing on twitter and had a kind talk with her getting her to think about why she is getting so involved in all this and how is it benefiting her. (Hint, it's not). She seems like a gal with lots of good friends who would do that in a nice way. I wish her the best.

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From reading her tweets, seeing who she tweets and what some of her interests are, she seems like a bright, motivated New Yorker, trying to get ahead. She's funny, tuned in to culture, likes Downton Abbey (!) Perhaps you're right, Admin, and someone - a friend, Kate or Jon's lawyer - told her to chill. Can't imagine Kate asking her to delete tweets since 90% were in her support.

White Violet said...

Is the person being discussed the same one who
spoiled the finale of Big Brother? If so, she told us she had learned her lesson and would not do it again.

I like to see for myself what the costumes look like, if it was exciting, who acted a certain way, who got dropped or twisted an ankle, who did something really athletic. I don't like knowing that it was great or awful before I watch. I want to watch it cold with no foreknowledge of what is to come. Thank you.

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

Is Kate running the 1/2 RnR marathon on Sunday?

@MiloandJack
@Kateplusmy8 On the other hand...Vegas has temps N low 70's & clear skies! That should make U smile? :)

She tweeted the other day:

@MiloandJack I'm doing the half this year for fun memories :) next year a full maybe...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Oh it wasn't Kate. Kate doesn't care if some young up and coming trashes they entire career in her name. Selfish at best. Kate should have told her to stop ages ago.

Hmm wonder if those friendship platitudes refer to Deanna. Curiouser and curiouser!

Jane said...

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said... 117
Jane said... 107, is Deanna still following Kate?

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yes, both still follow each other.

Tweet - I'm not finding Doc Martin on my local PBS. I've added it to my list of 'things to watch when I have time' list and will catch up with it on iTunes or elsewhere. It really does sound like an excellent series - thanks!!

JudyK said...

KyPastor said... 115
In regards to Amazing Grace, its author was involved in the slave trade, bringing Africans to America to sell. When he came around and saw the sinfulness of that he considered himself a wretch who had been saved by grace alone. Amazing Grace is a very personal song.
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Thank you so much...that's very insightful and would have changed my mother's interpretation had she known. As smart as she was, she never owned a computer. :)

Remona Blue said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 116
''Another possibility is that a friend saw what she was doing on twitter and had a kind talk with her getting her to think about why she is getting so involved in all this and how is it benefiting her. (Hint, it's not). She seems like a gal with lots of good friends who would do that in a nice way. I wish her the best.'
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It's very possible that you're right, Admin. I'm just wondering if Deanna discovered that KK was lying to her, and she decided to delete the KK lies she had repeated as truth from her twitter.

Anonymous said...

Oh my, come on people, you are grown adults! You should be able to remember not to post spoilers about shows. I'm not being bitchy, I'm being incredulous. Myself, I don't care. I don't watch DWTS. It just annoys me that people can't follow rules like little children. Sorry to offend, but some people need to be offended. It's a simple rule. Don't blame Ambien or any other thing. That just makes it worse. Just say, yeah, I f'd up. Won't happen again.

Marie

KyPastor said...

Thank you so much...that's very insightful and would have changed my mother's interpretation had she known. As smart as she was, she never owned a computer. :)

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Some of the smartest people I know have never used a computer.

Paula said...

Talk about beating a dead horse....It's just piling on now.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

I said this before, it would be completely normal and honestly somewhat understandable for a mom to put up a front with her friends, to act as if things are better or different than how they seem. I also wouldn't put it past Kate to misrepresent how things are to Deanna. Deanna is perfect for Kate's friend since she's not even in the same state enough to really know. Deanna's not stupid, she may have figured it out and feel a bit played. It's just in a normal world most of the time when you're putting up that front a friend doesn't take to twitter to spread the message to thousands. That's a wrinkle Kate didn't expect.

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

Jane said... 123
Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said... 117
Jane said... 107, is Deanna still following Kate?

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Tweet - I'm not finding Doc Martin on my local PBS. I've added it to my list of 'things to watch when I have time' list and will catch up with it on iTunes or elsewhere. It really does sound like an excellent series - thanks!!
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Jane, there are local PBS stations and then the "biggie" the national PBS station. I had this same conversation with my cousin just the other day. He could't find Doc Martin either, but he was only checking his local PBS. He found the national PBS station after searching. Not sure how to help you since we all have different setups. I have DirectTV, my cousin has cable. I have a friend who has only antenna and she gets 3 PBS channels. I've always been under the assumption that ABC, NBC, CBS and PBS (national) are available to everyone, whatever setup you have

Paula said...

Deanna may truly consider Kate a friend and that's fine - it's her business. However, Deanna did cross the line in tweeting about Jon and Liz and custody, etc., Glad to see, for whatever reason, she has stopped tweeting about such things.

Kate is a twit said...

JudyK-I want to add my condolences on the loss of your mother. It hurts and it's hard--but keeping her memory alive for yourself and others helps a lot. My grandchildren ask about "Mommy's grandma", and I am more than happy to share my memories of her with them. Although she may not be with us physically, she is always with us in our thoughts and in our hearts.

Remember all the good times you had with her--it does help numb the pain and bring comfort to the soul.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

I can't decide whether we should screen 1940s house or Texas Ranch House. They were both so good. I love how into it and good sports the 1940s family was.

fidosmommy said...

Deanna is perfect for Kate's friend since she's not even in the same state enough to really know

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An interesting point. Jamie lives in Michigan,
Gina lives in Maryland, Deanna and Jason live in
New York, Terri lives in Australia. Where do her "running girls" live?
How many friends does Kate have in central PA?
How much real interaction does Kate have with her friends in an average month?

Absence makes you overlook plenty, togetherness
opens your eyes to reality.

Just me said...

What I think really killed Jon and Kate's marriage was the video the brother of the teacher took of Jon sneaking out of the teacher's house very early in the morning. The picture's of the teacher sunbathing in the Gosselin's front yard while Kate was gone. Jon spending Kate's birthday in Utah with the teacher. This was while they were still married and together. I would say yeah, that would end it for me.

Moose Mania said...

I can't decide whether we should screen 1940s house or Texas Ranch House

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I vote for the 1940s house. I haven't seen that one, and that period of history is fascinating. Texas Ranch House is excellent. Decisions, decisions...

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

Just me said... 135
What I think really killed Jon and Kate's marriage was the video the brother of the teacher took of Jon sneaking out of the teacher's house very early in the morning. The picture's of the teacher sunbathing in the Gosselin's front yard while Kate was gone. Jon spending Kate's birthday in Utah with the teacher. This was while they were still married and together. I would say yeah, that would end it for me.
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When you say they were still married and together, do you mean the time that Kate was travelling around the country with a married man? Together sometimes means just living in the same house. In the Gosselins' case I'd say it was for $$$$.

aggiemom09121416 said...

Deanna and Kate's relationship is as strong as ever. No wrinkles. Everything has been starched and ironed and is in good shape.
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This statment has shades of when Kate said She and Jon had some ironing to do (when referring to filming, when Jon said enough is enough).
creepy.

SPOILER ALERT""""
I know who wins DWTS!!!!
just kidding, hehehehehhe
:)

fidosmommy said...

I thought the Gosselins had unofficially split
about a year before they announced it. Would the pictures of Ms. Hummell and Jon have come out in that year's time? What about the pictures with the college students at the bar?

I think these things were done after Jon and Kate had already decided to go their separate ways if only secretly. Kate was traveling with Steve with who knows what room arrangements, Jon was in the garage apartment and they both did what worked for them. We have no idea what Kate did or didn't do, but somehow she has been painted as a wholesome person with no
thoughts of an affair. At least Jon was honest about his relationships, as unfortunate as they may have been.

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

aggiemom09121416 said... 139
Deanna and Kate's relationship is as strong as ever. No wrinkles. Everything has been starched and ironed and is in good shape.
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This statment has shades of when Kate said She and Jon had some ironing to do (when referring to filming, when Jon said enough is enough).
creepy.
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Interesting. Would Kate know the word "minions" though? She does like to imply libel though, doesn't she? Everything she finds to be negative is libelous crap.

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

Katie Irene, if you're reading and posting here, go give Milo a big smooooch! She's waitin with bated breath.

AuntieAnn said...

My vote is in for the 1940's House too. It was interesting to watch the family adapt to such an unfamiliar lifestyle.

A Pink Straight Jacket For Kate said...

Just me said... 135

What I think really killed Jon and Kate's marriage was the video the brother of the teacher took of Jon sneaking out of the teacher's house very early in the morning. The picture's of the teacher sunbathing in the Gosselin's front yard while Kate was gone. Jon spending Kate's birthday in Utah with the teacher. This was while they were still married and together. I would say yeah, that would end it for me.

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With all due respect, their marriage was over WAY before Jon was caught with other women.

FYI said...

Just me said... 135
What I think really killed Jon and Kate's marriage was the video the brother of the teacher took of Jon sneaking out of the teacher's house very early in the morning. The picture's of the teacher sunbathing in the Gosselin's front yard while Kate was gone. Jon spending Kate's birthday in Utah with the teacher. This was while they were still married and together. I would say yeah, that would end it for me.

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Kate told Jon it was over between them before all that happened.

LaLaLandNoMore said...

I don't believe any video taken of Jon actually ended the Gosselin marriage. It was already over between them, but was far from public knowledge at the time of Jon's video. They both, Jon and Kate played along to continue to dupe the public and keep the money coming in. TLC was in on the sham, too, as far as I'm concerned. I think Jon had more trouble going along with the lie than Kate did and thus, he got careless with his actions.

With Kris and Kim K., how sad would it be to discover you married someone to boost their reality show ratings and for a money grab? I hope the court compensates Kris H. for his trouble. All of the above is just horrible, really horrible!

aggiemom09121416 said...

I am certainly no expert in regards to watching the show, but a good indicator of when the marriage was over would be when Kate started losing weight, doing her hair, tanning, and the change in wardrobe.
jmo

A Pink Straight Jacket For Kate said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 133

I can't decide whether we should screen 1940s house or Texas Ranch House. They were both so good. I love how into it and good sports the 1940s family was.

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OMG, I thoroughly enjoyed "1940's House".

It was a great series :o)



AuntieAnn said...

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said... 140 Interesting. Would Kate know the word "minions" though? She does like to imply libel though, doesn't she? Everything she finds to be negative is libelous crap.
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She probably thinks it's something you add to the sausage cacciatore. "caramelize two minions and place in pot on low heat".

Kate is a twit said...

Although I don't think Jon was a saint and that he made a lot of mistakes post-separation, I do believe that Kate and perhaps TLC set him up as the fall guy. Kate was then able to act as the wronged party, and do the "boo-hoo" tour as the "wronged" person. The enablers to this day believe that Kate was the poor innocent, wronged by Jon and now wronged by Robert. Poor, poor Katie Irene. What they seem to forget, is that it take TWO to make or break a marriage. Kate is no innocent in this whole debacle.

readerlady said...

KyPastor -- How good to see you posting again! Thanks for the info on "Amazing Grace". Have you seen the film? It's beautifully done and the ending, with the pipe and drum band assembling and playing it gives me goosebumps and tears every time.

JudyK -- Your story of your mother's opinion of "Amazing Grace" made me smile. My father was also an English teacher. His favorite hymn was "Amazing Grace", but I'm sure he was looking at it as a musician rather than as an English teacher. I sang it for him at his graveside service. It still has the power to move me to tears.

I see the sheep are escaping the pen again. Maybe you should start that moderation early, Admin.

Parent In Lancaster County said...

The picture's of the teacher sunbathing in the Gosselin's front yard while Kate was gone. Jon spending Kate's birthday in Utah with the teacher. This was while they were still married and together. I would say yeah, that would end it for me.

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If I were a man, having my wife gallivanting around the country with a married bodyguard would do it for me.

They were still married (not sure if you'd call it "together" and definitely not happily married) when the pictures surfaced. The Jon and Deanna thing happened in the spring of 2009; the Utah thing was in June of 2009. The marriage was over in the fall of 2008 when they bought the property. Those in the community were really surprised when they bought that house, knowing that the marriage, which had been on the rocks, was ready to implode. The fake wedding renewal ceremony was in August 2008.

If Jon was running around with anyone that jeopardized the marriage it would have been prior to the fall of 2008. I don't recall anything in tabloids or the internet that suggested that he was cheating on Kate.

grandee4 said...

My sympathy to both the ladies that lost their moms. My mom passed in 1991 and the holidays always bring a reminder of her. My sister and I both use her serving dishes and utencils for our holiday dinner. And her special cranberry dish. It's so hard but time heals and you will have all your wonderful memories. Praying for you both.

aggiemom09121416 said...

The picture's of the teacher sunbathing in the Gosselin's front yard while Kate was gone. Jon spending Kate's birthday in Utah with the teacher. This was while they were still married and together. I would say yeah, that would end it for me.
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They were in the mansion by the time of these two incidents. The marriage was over BEFORE they moved into the house.
Kate drew first blood, not Jon. (I'm channeling Rambo, lol)

Hey! What's everyone want kate-esque for Christmas?
I'd like a label maker!!!

Bluebird said...

Judy and Kathryn, my condolences, it's so hard to lose the person who has always been there for you since birth; remember the good times, laughter and loving moments. Mothers are not replaceable, but no one can take away your memories.

Tomorrow it will be 18 yrs. since my DH took his own life and although it has taken a lot of soul searching, I have to tell myself that it was his choice. Today ,living so close to my grandchildren, I often wonder why he's not here to share all this joy with me. My daughter invited me to cross over to her house tonight to see my 5 month old grandchild eat pablum for supper tonight for the first time while her 2 brothers stared in fascination. They thought she would choke, loll. I'm so sad that he's not here to share these moments with me.

Too bad Kate's children do not have these times with their grandparents, it would mean so much to them, if not now in the later years they will have a sense of loss.

readerlady said...

Jane, "Doc Martin" is available on Hulu. Tweet -- my cable system only carries the local (WOSU) PBS station and it doesn't air "Doc Martin". Wish they did carry the national PBS feed. Our local PBS station doesn't carry a lot of the nationally available programming.

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

AuntieAnn said... 148
Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said... 140 Interesting. Would Kate know the word "minions" though? She does like to imply libel though, doesn't she? Everything she finds to be negative is libelous crap.
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She probably thinks it's something you add to the sausage cacciatore. "caramelize two minions and place in pot on low heat".
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LOL! Ah, yes, and you can be assured they're "organic minions."

carolina peach said...

Auntie Ann, believe the word minions was used here in the last couple of days. Helllooo, Kate.

Was it Frontier House with the woman obsessed with soap in her hair and her eyebrows? When we were children, Mama mixed water and some white vinegar and rinsed our hair (or wranched as my GM said). Squeaky clean, no tangles, shiny and no vinegar smell after it dried. Wanted to tell her grab the vinegar so much and to kwit cher bitchin.

LoveMyGrandsons said...

Judy, Kathryn, and Sara; please accept my sincere sympathy on the loss of your mothers. I know from personal experience that it can be difficult to get over the loss of a parent. I wish you all comfort and peace.

Tucker's Mom said...

Bluebird said... 154
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Whew, your middle paragraph brought tears to my eyes. You've said it all. So much joy and life missed.

Tucker's Mom said...

Mama mixed water and some white vinegar and rinsed our hair (or wranched as my GM said).
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Wow, is there anything vinegar can't do? I've got to use it more for than just cooking!

Anonymous said...

Let's be honest here, Kate and Jon both had a hand in ending this marriage. And so did TLC imo. That's what happens when greed takes over.

Marie

grandee4 said...

I want a blow up boyfriend like Kate's for my kste-esque.

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

carolina peach said... 157

Was it Frontier House with the woman obsessed with soap in her hair and her eyebrows? When we were children, Mama mixed water and some white vinegar and rinsed our hair (or wranched as my GM said). Squeaky clean, no tangles, shiny and no vinegar smell after it dried. Wanted to tell her grab the vinegar so much and to kwit cher bitchin.
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The one I mentioned last night is called

The 1900 House.

I just Googled it. It was made in Britain and aired on PBS. It was fascinating especially since I like to read books from that era.

JW said...

Well, I don't want this to sound like I'm jumping on the "Missing my late mom" bandwagon, but tomorrow is actually the 4th anniversary of my mom's passing, coming just 5 months after we lost our father to Alzheimer's. My mom missed seeing her "baby triplet daughters" turning 50 only 11 days later. Her death was unexpected.

It does get better with time, but like others mentioned, the "first" of anything after that is the hardest, such as the upcoming 'milestone' birthday. The holidays are hard because she passed away the day after Thanksgiving that year so that holiday has been hard and of course Christmas is hard. Birthdays are hard because my triplet sisters and I were born on our father's birthday so that always made it special too.

But we have such wonderful memories of both of them and I am a believer that I will see them again.

So I can relate to what you all have been sharing within your own families and it is nice to be able to come here and do that.

And now my comments about Tony & Melissa and DWTS. I really, really hope that they win as I voted for them and not because Tony had been with Kate. I agree with another poster who said they've never seen Tony look so happy before.

I am watching our local Los Angeles ABC Channel 7 news right now and their entertainment reporter George Pennacchio is always there interviewing them after the show. Tony said to George last night "This has been THE most amazing ride of my life!!" So whether they lose or win, I think he needed this experience after having gone 14 seasons with many lousy partners, Kate being at the top of that list!



LoveMyGrandsons said...

I, too, believe that Jon was set up by Kate and TLC to be the bad guy after the separation became public. At that time, the kids were still little and cute, Kate was still willing to sell them, and TLC still was expecting the big bucks to keep rolling in off of these kids. Therefore, TLC was willing to back Kate to keep their money makers since she was willing and Jon wasn't.

To make Kate look good and the poor victim in all of the mess, they had to make Jon look bad. Was the money they spent worth it? I believe in their eyes it was because they still thought they had a few good years left of filming the kids and getting the ratings. However, they underestimated how totally unlikeable Kate is and that Jon was an integral part of the show, not just Kate. It was all downhill, albeit slowly, but downhill none the less. That's why they cut their losses. Kate, being the narc that she is, just assumed other TV shows would fall into her lap. The reality of today never crossed her mind then.

Bluebird, what a heartbreaking story about your husband. I can't truly understand your loss in that situation because I've never been in it. However, your compassion and pain come through in your post and I wish you peace.

carolina peach said...

Thanks, Tweetle! Loved all of those PBS programs.

I give up. I cannot catch up with episodes of Pioneer Woman and read this blog at the same time. Hard to choose! Choices, choices, choices. PW will have to wait.

JudyK said...

Saying goodnight, but a final thank you to Carolina Peach, Tweet-le De, KateisaTwit, LoveMyGrandsons, and Bluebird. I've enjoyed your sharing your stories of loss with me and others...it's been very comforting.

And I have to add that I just got a big surprise. UPS just delivered a Keurig Special Edition K-Cup Brewer from my daughter, and, unlike Kate, I didn't even turn in a Christmas request!

Goodnight and thanks to all of you for your kind words today.

PatK said...

kateplusmy8
Thank goodness 4 Internet shopping... Santas sleigh pulled in (my suv driven,loaded &unloaded by me!)&so the elves (me) better get working!

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And this tweet has brought the sheeple masses out of the woodwork with high praises on being such a super wonderful mother!!! (What mother DOESN'T do this?)

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

Hey! What's everyone want kate-esque for Christmas?
I'd like a label maker!!!

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I don't have to think long and hard about this one. I want the good bra that is invisible under the bikini top. I don't want it for the inflatable bosom factor, but for the science/technology of it. Making something invisible has allegedly been tried before (Philadelphia Experiment) and I'd like to see how this is possible with a bra.

Bluebird said...

Tucker's Mom, my mother used vinegar, but as a creme rinse. She used a bar of soap for our shampoo. I hated the smell of vinegar, but after my hair was rinsed properly, the smell was gone. In those days my parents didn't buy shampoo or creme rinse.

LMG, you can relate to me as your grandsons (4 and 6) are the same age as mine, although I have a 5-month, 5 year and 7 year old also. They are all my pride and joy, as are yours. I am very thankful for what I have, regardless.

LoveMyGrandsons said...

Judy, what a wonderful surprise gift from your daughter! Obviously your daughter knows you well and knew what would make you happy.

Gee, if only Kate could get that message, she wouldn't have to write lists for outrageous gifts such as vaccuum cleaners.

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

Thank goodness 4 Internet shopping... Santas sleigh pulled in (my suv driven,loaded &unloaded by me!)&so the elves (me) better get working!

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Has anyone asked her if she parked in the fire lane to retrieve her packages?

PatK said...

I just can't imagine the massive amount of crap those kids are sent each Christmas from the crazed sheep. I bet the majority of it gets tossed in the garbage.

LoveMyGrandsons said...

God bless you, Bluebird; you and your wonderful family.

butterfly said...
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butterfly said...

JW,
I still channel 7! And channel 4 and channel 5 and on and on, you can take girl out of LA, but you can NEVER take LA out of the girl...YAY for freeways and carpool lanes :D
Sorry, got a little carried away. Whew, cant wait to come home for awhile.

butterfly said...

My condolences to those who are grieving lost loved ones, especially during the holidays.

butterfly said...

Argh- I thought I caught all the typos and i missed an entire word- post should read
*I still SAY channel 7....

Sorry, it's not ambien, I swear, it's promethezine, LOL! Too strong for me.

Not an elf said...

Santa's sleigh pulled in? i told you this is going to be a long month. Has the screeching commenced?

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Kate Gosselin ‏@Kateplusmy8
Opening lots of Christmas surprises 4 my kids&I got 1 too!THANKYOU @KiehlsNYC for your AMAZING products!Ur my answer 2 everything! In love!

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The hell? It's November 27. Why is she tearing into the freebies now and not putting them under the tree? What the hell does that teach kids? And how in the world is she STILL getting freebies??

And also I'm sure the boys really care so much about a stupid lip balm and lotion company. Sure they were just THRILLED.

Tucker's Mom said...

Kate's mailbox store must be like Christmas all year long. Oh, the freebies! Now Kate has to Tweet @somethingformyickyboys.

Jane said...

readerlady said... 155
Jane, "Doc Martin" is available on Hulu. Tweet -- my cable system only carries the local (WOSU) PBS station and it doesn't air "Doc Martin". Wish they did carry the national PBS feed. Our local PBS station doesn't carry a lot of the nationally available programming.

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Thanks! I did check all the PBS stations on my cable network and Doc Martin isn't airing here. Hulu is a good alternative ;)

Jane said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 180
Kate Gosselin ‏@Kateplusmy8
Opening lots of Christmas surprises 4 my kids&I got 1 too!THANKYOU @KiehlsNYC for your AMAZING products!Ur my answer 2 everything! In love!
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Prior to this tweet she tweeted:

kateplusmy8
Thank goodness 4 Internet shopping... Santas sleigh pulled in (my suv driven,loaded &unloaded by me!)&so the elves (me) better get working!

I assume she parked in the fire lane at the UPS store to pick up the latest load of freebies from Milo and others as well as online purchases she made. And now she's opening the boxes. Guess Jon has the kids.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

This shameless grifting really seems especially insensitive around Hurricane Sandy. Especially from a NYC company.

Why does she need these freebies? We're not talking about food, clothing or shelter where any loyal sheeple could make an arguement she needs. We're talking about LIP BALM. Why? Why? Justify this, please. Why she doesn't tell them please really you needn't do that we are doing quite well thank you, please help a truly needy family--is shameful.

Formerly Duped said...

Bluebird said... 154
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What a sad story. I don't know what to say other than I'm sorry and admire your strength. Your family is lucky to have you share in all the "firsts' of the grandchildren.

Formerly Duped said...

Kate's tweets make me sick. When will she stop and why does this Milo fawning on her so? Why do companies keep sending grifts? I don't understand.

OrangeCrusher1 said...

But why would anyone send this woman anything anymore? She has nothing, nothing to offer them in return, she's not connected to any organization for whom this might be considered a favor, nothing like that. My head spins in an effort to understand, and also to try to understand her absolutely shameless grifting and bragging. Guess I'm just hoping for some Xmas Karma to bite her in the a#*.

LoveMyGrandsons said...

Admin, Kate would NEVER tell a company to give the freebies to people who really need it. She is so selfish, so self-absorbed, and feels so entitled, she could NEVER think of others less fortunate. It's just not in her nature. She feels entitled to all of the freebies she gets, has no shame in asking for them, and will continue to beg for them as long as she lives.

What an example for her children! Don't ever give to anyone and take all that you can get. That's Kate's motto.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...


17m Kate Gosselin ‏@Kateplusmy8
For all who are asking, @KiehlsNYC website is http://Kiehls.com and the code JOYFUL gets you $20 off of a $75 or more purchase!
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Oops! Kate collected her free crap but nearly forgot to uphold her end of the bargain tweeting the coupon code.

And clearly she doesn't know her sheeple demographic. I doubt any of them are spending seventy-five bucks on moisturizer. Kate come back down there from the 1%, you are clueless.

LoveMyGrandsons said...

Okay, Admin, I'm assuning that you put the blog on moderation because of DWTS. This is just my opinion, but that's kind of crazy. After all, it's just a show. I don't watch it since they had Kate on it, so I'm not as interested in it as others may be. However, when we miss football games and find out who the winner is, we still watch the rerun of the game. I would think that the fascination comes with watching the actual dance, not knowing who won or lost.

Just my opinion. I'm ready for the flack that is sure to come!

NJGal51 said...

PatK@79 - like you I am one of the rare breed that likes spoilers. I've already been looking for DWTS spoilers for tonight!

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...


But why would anyone send this woman anything anymore? She has nothing, nothing to offer them in return, she's not connected to any organization for whom this might be considered a favor, nothing like that.


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Maybe someone in marketing or something like that can answer this. I am not fully convinced this really always makes you that much money. But my understanding is that they will literally send their free crap out to hundreds of celebs hoping for a retweet.

When I was interning at a cable news network the free crap the on screen personalities got was astounding. Just piles and piles of junk hoping for a mention. A lot of books. You'd never have to buy another book again.

OrangeCrusher1 said...

Of course who knows if her 'surprises' are free g(r)ifts? The way she words things it's always vague, and meant to make people think she's so popular. And yes, as if the sheeple aka her friends ad supporters are buying expensive Kiehls items. K8 lives in her own pathetic world.

Let's just see if once in this month of greedy taking, just once she tweets about involving her children an an act of charitable giving.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

LovemyGrandsons I don't even watch DWTS, but the general consensus about this show and others is no spoilers. Don't worry both myself and one of my helpers are in tonight and poised to approve the comments. This will not be a normal occurrence especially if people can follow the rules.

I personally do not like spoilers myself so I understand it. A few shows a week are sometimes my only chance to relax, unwind with maybe some hot cocoa and some popcorn. I imagine a lot of people feel the same. Perhaps we take TV too seriously, but oh well. A lot of my good memories with people I love involve snuggling up with a good movie or favorite TV show, that's how it goes. I like everything to be a complete surprise. It really is a huge let down to many when you know what will happen. I'm the same with my sports games. I'm often out or busy and have to DVR them and I will go to great lengths to avoid hearing ANYTHING about the game even little things.

I hate how sometimes when the Olympics are delayed because they occur during the middle of the night they will post the results all over the internet before it ever airs in prime time here. LOL drives me crazy!

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

There's no way she would bother to take two seconds out of her precious time doing nothing to tweet a so-not-helpful coupon code if she didn't get some freebies to do it.

Flight of the Kiwi said...

Oh my, come on people, you are grown adults! You should be able to remember not to post spoilers about shows. I'm not being bitchy, I'm being incredulous. Myself, I don't care. I don't watch DWTS. It just annoys me that people can't follow rules like little children. Sorry to offend, but some people need to be offended. It's a simple rule. Don't blame Ambien or any other thing. That just makes it worse. Just say, yeah, I f'd up. Won't happen again.

Marie
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Nope. I blame ambien. I always blame ambien. For everything. I blamed ambien way before it was cool to blame ambien. I blamed ambien before ambien was invented. Ambien fits the bill pefectly. Pharmacology rocks ;) Too late now anyway. I have worked very hard to elevate avoiding blame to an art form. It's great preparation for a late life political career. Besides, it just doesn't work to blame advil. I know. I tried.

Butterfly - Phenergan? Really? Seriously? Oh little one you have much to learn...LOL

In case anyone is interested, and I'm pretty sure no one is, Rocketman is putting up the tree. He's got his Ipod on the bose blaring out...wait for it...wait for it...wait for it...did ya guess? White Christmas? 12 Days of Christmas? No. The 1812 Overture. Only slighty better than the Midnight Cowboy soundtrack he was playing before that. Is there a more depressing movie than Midnight Cowboy? Even "Melancholia" was more uplifting. Just screams Merry F'in' Xmas. No?

THIS is why I blame ambien.

PS - Marie - I'm not offended. Kate's behavior offends me. Other than that I'm fairly hard to offend. After all, I live with Rocketman.

NJGal51 said...

For all those who have lost loved ones, please accept my condolences.

White Violet said...

It ruins it for me if I already know what I'm about to watch. It's like reading the last chapter of a mystery first.

LoveMyGrandsons said...

Oh, Admin, I hope you didn't take my comment as an insult to you because that is definitely not how I meant it. I know people get caught up in TV shows, but not being one of them, I guess I have a hard time understanding it. Anyway, it's all good if that's what floats your boat!

Sleepless In Seattle said...

miloandjack
@Kateplusmy8 Because of U friendly/kind nature U will always have folks shaing w/U & Ur kids. #BuildingLastingRelationships. :)

She. Is. Nuts. Kate doesn't build lasting relationships. Kate burns bridges.

"However, when we miss football games and find out who the winner is, we still watch the rerun of the game"

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I can't watch reruns if I know who won. My brother-in-law will record a basketball game, wants to know nothing about it until he watches it. In fact, he even gets upset if someone asks him if he watched the game...no spoilers, just a simple question.

If I know the outcome of a game, it's always in my mind the whole time I'm watching, and I can't seem to get interested in it.

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