Friday, October 19, 2012

Discussion Thread: 'Kate Gosselin: How She Fooled the World,' Chapters 11-13

“TLC wants us to continue to be 'normal'....  Wonder how we will explain the $2M house? :)”

11.  The World According to Kate Part 1 

Kate enlisted the help of state Senator Mike O’Pake to help her keep her free baby nurse. Kate also wrote letters asking for the services to continue or appealing insurance claim denials, calling the sextuplets, who were 11 months old at the time “disabled” because they could not care for themselves. Kate whines about how “impossible” it is to look after all the children and complains that all the generous local volunteers are too young to be reliable or too elderly to be of real help [Admin’s note: Stereotype much, Kate?]. Even though Kate was a millionaire by the time she moved to her current home, she was still disputing or arguing over charges, including an $1800 propane bill, which she apparently brow-beated them into lowering to $1100. A Kenny Loggins rep heard Jon singing Footloose on the show and invited the Gosselins to a meet and greet at a Lancaster concert that could possibly be filmed. Kate replied not only accepting, but asking for a personal, private concert on their lawn. [Robert Hoffman said it best: Who do you think you are, Kate? Michelle Obama?]

hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/12/year-kenny-loggins-ruined-christmas.html 
In an e-mail to Jon in 2006, Kate wrote: “I'm sorry... I am soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo frustrated with you! I beg and plead and beg some more for you to do things around here that I CAN'T do... and you don't do them! It is so frustrating! Why can't you see that in order to keep our house running smoothly, you have to help with more than just the daily stuff? Everyone would win in the end! I'd be happy so everyone else would be happy--including yourself! Don't take the lazy approach! I am not going away so you can either do the stuff i ask or live miserably! You choose!”

Kate passed on filming dinner after a visit to the NICU because Steve couldn’t be there. She also appeared to be very jealous of the Duggars and would make jokes about them.

Not content to just order off the room service menu, Kate had very specific demands for a family stay at the Essex hotel in New York, including Kobe beef, and fruit from Whole Foods.

Kate’s emails to Jen Stocks, shortly before Jen left to work on the Duggars, grow increasingly snippy and demanding. She points to production problems including “continuing oversights” and “lack of organization” and demanded a meeting to talk about these issues. Kate complains among other things that Jen did not provide her a shooting schedule far enough in advance, to which Jen replied that in fact she had, the problem was Kate hadn’t confirmed it, and that production always works around Kate’s schedule and bends over backwards to be accommodating. Wrote Jen: “Below is the schedule for this week. As you know, I tried many times Last week to get the plans for this week confirmed with you, and I am still waiting on you to tell me if we can do interviews on Friday. I emailed you this week's schedule, as it existed last week, on Thursday. And that is when you decided that you wanted to make changes. I'm not sure when we have ever done anything at a time that did not Suit you, you are the one who always chooses the times, we work around your schedule, always.”

In another email to Jen in which Kate tells her, look baby, it’s not you, Kate sort of apologizes to her. Tellingly, Kate writes, “We appreciate having a say about WHO comes to our house as part of the crew. We appreciate a crew without opinions (we have discussed this before).” [Admin note: No opinions? You mean no opinions on child abuse or child labor violations? And if Kate had no say in who comes to her house, how can she say with any certainty that she has any control over who is around her children, including, potentially, someone like Bill Blankinship?]

A new producer brought on board after Jen transferred, Jeff, wrote an email to Julie Carson May essentially falling all over himself to help Jon and Kate make a great show and be happy doing it and improve things from when Jen was at the helm. He asks to set up a dinner meeting to discuss all of their concerns from before and fix them. Apparently neither Jen nor her replacement Jeff were good enough for Kate, as Kate replies skeptically to Julie that she doesn’t trust Jeff and doesn’t want to do dinner until a trial month is over.

Kate writes this in response to an article in a local Philly publication: “TLC wants us to continue to be 'normal'....  Wonder how we will explain the $2M house? :)”

When asked via e-mail to speak at a Triplet Convention conference in Philadelphia, Kate writes to Jon: “Blah blah blah... No thanks.”

A friend of a mother and fan of the show newly pregnant with sextuplets, reached out for support from Kate. Kate replied to Jon, “You realize.... She's only 8 wks along.......” [Admin’s note: Sadly, Kate’s fan Courtney Tipping indeed lost all six of her babies, apparently never having received any encouragement from her idol Kate. Wonder if she’s still a fan?]
Nanna Janet
When the “tempermental (sic) ironess” Nanna Janet quit, Kate demanded production find her another one.
Due to some of the stories in the tabloids, a company backed out of a $100,000 deal, which naturally ticked Kate off.
At one point, forty hours of babysitting was approved by TLC for each episode. There were some disputes over their nanny Judy’s rates when she stayed overnight. Robert Hoffman regards Judy as the children’s best nanny, although at some point she was let go.
Kate found it “annoying” that a fan who gave them free toys featured on an episode of the show, also named their child Aaden. And by the way, it appears the only way the fan knew they received the toys was they saw them show up in an episode. Says the fan: “My wife and I were watching the show the other day and happened to see these toys that we gave you in the background.  We were thrilled to see that the kids received them and seemed to enjoy them.“ What, no thank you note, Kate? I guess featuring them on the show is thank you enough these days?
12.  The World According to Kate Part 2

Much of Kate’s journals show her daily emotions of selfishness, jealousy and greed. When Jen Stocks gave her a $750 gift card, she felt anger because she wanted more.

On the five year anniversary of 9-11, Kate wrote this: Monday, September 11, 2006 Today is the five year remembrance of the Sept 11 bombings or whatever.”

Kate grew easily frustrated with various people, often with little to no good explanation why, at least none that she wrote down. They include a sound person, a kind neighbor who offered to help watch the twins, the pediatrician (who is obnoxious and lacks intelligence), and Mady’s kindergarten teacher. She seemed to sometimes feel that people who wanted to help just wanted the limelight. She once said her local favorite restaurant gave her the ‘Wyomissing” attitude, and so she left.
In April 2007, she wrote this of Joel: “Poor little Joel- he is in love with his daddy and wants to be loved by me. I do love him… but I hate to say that his father like cluelessness makes me crazy!”

Kate also seemed to feel that people who did not follow her orders, did not love her. Kate was very upset when Jon lied about buying lunch for himself in Philadelphia, calling it the most “horrible day in history.” She writes, “Why am I so unloved that he has to continually lie to me?”


13. Child Abuse 
Kate Gosselin has stated publically that she was “very, very, over disciplined.” Family members and other sources (according to Robert, three separate sources) have disclosed that Kate was both physically and sexually abused as a child.

In 2009, an unnamed former staffer gave an interview to The National Enquirer that appears to be the first mention of the physical abuse going on in the home. The interview got a little press, then seemed to quietly fade away.

“She dragged one of the boys into the bathroom and spanked him five or six times with a large plastic spoon,” the staffer said. “You could hear Kate forcefully whacking the child and the child screaming at the top of his lungs. People told me it happened more than once, but it was off-camera because Kate didn’t want it in the show.”

The journals Robert found corroborate this brave staffer’s story. Kate details a number of incidents from when the children were toddlers. Collin knocked over some high chairs, so Kate spanked him very hard, whipped him into his crib, and actually thought she might seriously injure him. She spanked Alexis and Joel for trashing their room, and pulled Collin by his hair for eating M&Ms. Kate said she apologized to them, feels guilty, and sees her dad in herself.

When Aaden had a potty training accident in the dining room, she spanked him and felt he should have been able to control himself better. Joel was spanked for climbing out of his crib during nap time, and further punished by being left there beyond nap time.

Mady was spanked for being “grouchy,” which made her “happy up.”

Kate spanks the kids for various other frustrations like getting into tissues. She once called Jon so upset with them she told him she thought she might hurt them. She had taken to sending them to their cribs when they were naughty where they would be “safe” from her.

Kate threatened Jon that if he ever spoke a word about her abusing the kids, that Discovery would sue him for every cent he’d ever make, and she’d make sure he never saw or had any contact with his children ever again.

The same day Kate tweeted about the family weeding outside, Robert observed Kate yelling at the children to work harder and faster, and the children crying, while she jogged the driveway.

Robert was present to drive Jon home on that day in August 2010 in which video showed the children wailing for their Daddy as Jon dropped them off at the house in the big blue bus. Jon had called Robert prior explaining that the kids were upset and didn’t want to go home, and he was an hour late trying to get them all into the van.

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Formerly Duped said...

Love that photo of Janet and Alexis. That was the day Kate insulted her when she joined the party fin and rode the pony. Later Janet quit due to Kate's behavior. Janet loved those kids, and was a volunteer from the beginning. Wonder how she and others held out so long...Kate is a miserable excuse for a human being.So many people she has hurt in one way or another.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

. Joel was spanked for climbing out of his crib during nap time, and further punished by being left there beyond nap time.

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None of her reasons for hurting these poor babies are justifiable, but this one bothers me so much. Joel was probably up and climbing out of is crib because he WASN'T TIRED. She put them to bed so early, let them sleep all morning, then gave them huge naps of several hours. Children need lots of sleep but not that much. At a certain point they are not tired and want to get up. Let them get up. You can't just put them to bed whenever you don't feel like dealing with them like they are children in an overcrowded Russian orphanage.

fonferek's glen said...

Really tough to read, isn't it?

Harrisburg Native said...

" In April 2007, she wrote this of Joel: “Poor little Joel- he is in love with his daddy and wants to be loved by me. I do love him… but I hate to say that his father like cluelessness makes me crazy!” "

What horrible sickness. Who could write this about their own child? We really have no idea just how much of a creep she is. If I knew my mother had written this about me, I'd be crushed. I'm happy this book is shedding light on everything but do fear for those kids reading this in the future.

Rhymes with Witch said...

From the previous post:

"Back to the camping/tenting issue. I believe Kate HATED growing up in a trailer, even a doublewide. She resolved to herself over and over, that she would NEVER live like that, no matter what."

This has been addressed many times going back as far as GWOP. Would a local (or several) please address KK's family home growing up.

Thank you.

Admin when it is addressed, would you consider putting on the sidebar? Again, thanks.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Harrisburg welcome, have we seen you hear before?

The kids lived it. It's interesting the people fear them reading it. THEY LIVED IT.

Harrisburg Native said...

You've seen me here only a few times...been reading for YEARS though. As of this year I'm living across the pond in England with my husband where luckily there is no mention of K8 in the media. I have heard several accounts throughout the years of people who have dealt with K8 in the Harrisburg area. No good stories, trust me.

The kids lived it, yes. Reading their mother's words in addition to the living nightmare...is so sad.

barbee said...

After reading this it would be nice if one of the sheeples would explain how 'WE' were the cause of her heinous' fall from grace. It appears quite obvious that she orchestrated, engineered, masterminded and organized it all by herself! WOW she's good!

Never Mediocre said...

When an awful woman goes silent on twitter, an angel gets their wings.

I rejoice in the silence!

Adios to Kate and all the other obsessed misfits.

Parent In Lancaster County said...

This has been addressed many times going back as far as GWOP. Would a local (or several) please address KK's family home growing up.

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Bringing this over from previous thread, in response to a poster who said that Kate hated growing up in a doublewide...

SHE DID NOT GROW UP IN A TRAILER, or a singlewide, doublewide or triplewide or any other kind of trailer or camper.

The Kreiders owned approximately 86 acres in South Londonderry Township. They bought 26 acres in the 1970s. Their home, WHERE KATE GREW UP, was built on 6.5 acres. In 1984, they built a campground for RVs on the vacant acreage to the northeast of their house. In the mid 1990s, they wanted to expand and modernize the campground and got into trouble with the zoning board. Kate had graduated from high school by then, was going to nursing school and living with her boyfriend.

Parent In Lancaster County said...

" In April 2007, she wrote this of Joel: “Poor little Joel- he is in love with his daddy and wants to be loved by me. I do love him… but I hate to say that his father like cluelessness makes me crazy!” "

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He was three years old! What three-year-old isn't clueless? Did she expect him to have a high school diploma at that age?

Parent In Lancaster County said...

Duped said..."Later Janet quit due to Kate's behavior."

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Is there an explanation of why Janet quit? Any specifics about Kate's behavior?

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

No she didn't say. A lot of her emails are just her ramblings without context.

For instance, what did Jen Stocks do that made her so mad? We have a few clues but not much.

In my opinion this gives the writings even more credibility. Because if you looked at my email account you could probably piece together a small PORTION of my life, but without hearing the phone calls and observing the conversations in person, you're not getting the full picture. That's exactly how her emails read, just one piece of the puzzle.

LoveMyGrandsons said...

Formerly Duped, IIRC, wasn't that when nana Janet rode the horse and Kate made the comment on the interview sofa, that poor horse? I thought that was so ignorant to say that at all in private, much less on television.

localyocul said...

The NICU episode was in Season 1. I didn't realize Steve was around that long. I missed that part in the book. Hmmm

njay said...

Brought from last thread,
LoveMyGrandsons said... 187

One more thing, Admin. My monthly check was late last month. Could you please use your blog millions to send it FedEx so I get it on time this month? Afterall, I need to buy Halloween candy next week!
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LoveMyGrandsons, I can lend you a little if you really need.

localyocul said...

Parent In Lancaster County said... 12
Duped said..."Later Janet quit due to Kate's behavior."

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Is there an explanation of why Janet quit? Any specifics about Kate's behavior?

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IIRC there's just an email from Kate to someone at TLC saying their "tempermental ironess Janet took her paycheck and quit" She speculated that she and Jon had been complaining to each other about her. LOL

LoveMyGrandsons said...

njay, thank you for your kind offer, but I have to refuse. I have the right of expectation under the law, that Admin will hold up her part of the agreement! Lolol!!!

kateissociopath said...

NO WOODEN SPOONS, KATE!!

Seriously, the kids in my house used to frantically run around the house hiding belts and such when we seen my father's truck coming down the road. How silly of us children to do, he would just use his hands and feet, never putting the bruises where it would show.
Kate Gosselin is a child abuser, period. (Btw, what child takes 4 hour naps in the afternoon like Kate's kids did and go to bed so early?)
TLC is CYAing their asses, they are even more guilty than Kate...they provoked her mental issues on purpose...in cohoots to keep Jon silent. How many child abusers and/or sex offenders are hanging out at Discovery?

LoveMyGrandsons said...

kateissociopath, yes, I remember that about the show and always thought the kids were in their cribs way too long. They were kept in there late in the morning, by Kate's own words on the show were put down for 4 hour naps every day, and then in bed by 7 or 8 o'clock.

How could the kids even be tired when most of their day was spent in bed, without any exercise or activity to begin with? It was all done for the convenience of Kate. SHE didn't want the tups around that much so they were forced to go into their cribs for too long. Then they would be punished if they didn't sleep or climbed out of them. It's almost like they were being set up for failure, and then she complained how difficult it was for her after she abused them.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

I can't stand Mady getting spanked for being grouchy, too.

Why is it a kid can't be grouchy? Adults get grouchy, adults get moody. They're allowed. It seems far more productive to teach kids how to soothe their grouchy moods, perhaps by deep breathing, going to a quiet place to relax, go watch a favorite movie or book, drink some water get a snack, etc., rather than beating it out of them. Would you beat a grouchy adult??? Geez.

Amy2 said...

I remember an episode when Jon was playing with the kids in the basement and Kate was siting on the bed that was in the basement. She told Jon that it was time to put the kids to bed. He said no, because it was only 6:00.

njay said...

Never Mediocre said... 9
When an awful woman goes silent on twitter, an angel gets their wings.

I rejoice in the silence!

Adios to Kate and all the other obsessed misfits.
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I kinda liked reading all the craziness. Any time I started to feel inadequate, I would click on twitter and snap back to reality.

Thank you God for all the idiots, they help to remind me where I would be if I make someone else my God.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

It's one thing if it happens at bedtime. But it seems to me if a kid is constantly crawling out of his crib in the middle of the day, use your common sense, HE'S NOT TIRED.

Not all kids need naps. I stopped needing a nap at about 2. But of course it wasn't about the kids and she even said that, it was about Kate getting a break.

localyocul said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 21
I can't stand Mady getting spanked for being grouchy, too.

Why is it a kid can't be grouchy? Adults get grouchy, adults get moody. They're allowed. It seems far more productive to teach kids how to soothe their grouchy moods, perhaps by deep breathing, going to a quiet place to relax, go watch a favorite movie or book, drink some water get a snack, etc., rather than beating it out of them. Would you beat a grouchy adult??? Geez.

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And of course the most ironic part is that I don't know a grouchier adult than Kate Gosselin. I mean EVERYTHING annoys that woman. It drives me nuts to see her (saw her) tweeting positivity crap because he bitched through all her episodes (and journals). And what did she have to complain about? Healthy kids, helpful husband, TLC bankrolling everything? Bitch, please.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

It sounds like she has a severe anger management problem to me. Or is extremely sensitive to her environment somehow.

Things that annoy her wouldn't annoy the average person. She talks about being all bent out of shape the sound guy was doing something in her garage. A normal person would assume he's just looking for a quiet place to figure out something with sound. A normal person would think nothing of it, much less write about it in their diary about how awful it was. And yet this really bothered Kate.

Have you ever encountered people who are easily annoyed? It's a little obnoxious really. Things bother them like waiting more than 4 seconds for the elevator, someone chewing gum even quietly, someone who looks at their watch a lot, someone even looking at you "wrong". I don't understand being this sensitive to others, but these people definitely exist.

kateissociopath said...

It is very hard to break the pattern of child abuse along with the stinking thinking that is passed down, usually from generation to generation--but it is the greatest gift to give your children and grand-children ..and yourself.
One should do it before the children come, but sooner is better then never. Start NOW, Kate. Your children deserve that more than "the world on a silver platter".

Improbable Dreams said...

Admin ~ Hard as it is to re-visit some of this stuff, I really appreciate this new post. It's good to discuss (and make public) yet another segment of the book. Thank you!!

localyocul said...

I may have mentioned this before. My daughter was a f.u.s.s.y. baby. She cried all the way out the door to the hospital. Actually in the hospital they had to call the "fussy baby" nurse to give me tips. My sister had babies that slept and and ate and slept and ate. Mine cried if I put her down. She cried if I picked her up. She cried if I tried to nurse her. She screamed at the top of her lungs from 5 pm til about 2 am. EVERY DAY. I rocked her for hours and I see the scene outside that window as if it were yesterday.

At two months she was diagnosed with hip dysplasia. We tried a brace that didn't work. Once she was in her body cast at 3 months she settled down. She must have been in pain. However, then she started trying to turn over in her sleep and I would have to get up every 45 minutes to pick her up and put her back down.

Even as a small baby she napped maybe 45 minutes twice a day. Once at 6 months she napped for 2 hours. We thought something was wrong with her!!

Anyway, she turned into a wonderful happy precocious toddler and preschooler (who napped for 45 minutes in the afternoon). She has always been strong willed though and studies say that colicky babies turn into strong willed children and teens. That strong will has to be channelled into something positive and she is a wonderful 16 year old.

Anyway, my point is, what would Kate have done with a child like that? Or did she have one or two (Alexis and Collin)? She just didn't care, shut the door to the nursery and naptime was naptime? I had a monitor and when my daughter woke up (always with a smile) naptime was over.

Kate has been given free things and blessings and good luck. And still she bitches and complains. I don't get it!

gabby2 said...

Didn't she beat Aaden after only 5 days of toilette training?

Who does that?

And what about leaving the babies in their cribs at least 4 hours a day...if they were "bad" even longer...till Jon got home. Then he served them dinner, bathed them and put them to bed.

LoveMyGrandsons said...

Admin, yes I have known a few people who complain about everything. As a matter of fact, I currently work with someone like that. It may be anger management issues, I don't know. What I do know is that they expect everyone to cater to them; their wants, their needs, their ideas of how people should act, etc. It always tended to be about them and how others could do things so they didn't get angry. It just is never their fault.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

In their cribs until 8 or 9 oclock, then a four hour nap, then back in bed by 7 again. By my calculations that means those babies were really only up for SIX HOURS a day.

Of those six hours by the time they got diaper changes, feeding and bath, how much time was left to just be a toddler, to learn and grow? One, two hours tops?

Scary when you think of it that way.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Huge Boy Scout abuse scandal is being disclosed again. Giant coverup that goes back decades.

This is NOT a good time to expect you, as a child abuser, are going to get ANY sympathy right now, a job, an interview, anything. No one would dare. Bad, bad timing Kate.

Hi Karma!!

cherier1 said...

I always thought those kids went to time out far too easily. My own kids would sometimes pop out of time out and have to be placed back in the chair. The G kids literally ran to the corner by the stairs and stayed there, every time.

Mady was always the the truth teller who was labeled as the black sheep for speaking out. Remember the episode when Jon went roller blading w/Cara and Kate was freaking out, yelling at him wayyy down the street? Mady looked into the camera and said Kate was the Queen Bee who sat in her chair and told Jon what to do. The child was perceptive and she paid a price for it, sadly. She was the truth teller then. It will be interesting to see what happens with Mady in the future.

Get medicated Kate, you'll feel better said...

Thanks for the new chapters, Admin.

I do feel a little bad about the possible sexual abuse that Kate May have had to deal with. That may explain part of her personality, mental issues.

I'm not saying that excuses her own abuse of the kids. Plenty of people who go through similar and worse situations get the help they need and are loving parents.

njay said...

LoveMyGrandsons said... 18
njay, thank you for your kind offer, but I have to refuse. I have the right of expectation under the law, that Admin will hold up her part of the agreement! Lolol!!!
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GOTCH YA!!!! Bwahahaha, snort...ouch.

Just having a little fun.

Anita said...

The Tipping's now have a little girl and are expecting another child as well. God Bless them!

A Pink Straight Jacket For Kate said...

Ugh. Kate makes me sick.

She ground those kids into submission with an iron fist.

It's incredibly sad that she was knowingly (by her own words) so cruel and out of control.

chefsummer said...

Amy2 said... 22

That's was family movie night season 3.

localyocul said...

gabby2 said... 30
Didn't she beat Aaden after only 5 days of toilette training?

Who does that?

And what about leaving the babies in their cribs at least 4 hours a day...if they were "bad" even longer...till Jon got home. Then he served them dinner, bathed them and put them to bed

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Bathtime/reading and bedtime is the sweetest time of early childhood. I can't imagine, as a mother, missing out on that. OK maybe alternate with your husband but she absolutely had him do ALL that. No bonding whatsoever IMO

cherier1 said...

@localyocul said... 29
I may have mentioned this before. My daughter was a f.u.s.s.y. baby......
Anyway, my point is, what would Kate have done with a child like that? Or did she have one or two (Alexis and Collin)? ....

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I too had a fussy baby who barely slept during the day after 6 months of age and needed to be walked for, sometimes, 2 hours in the evening to get her to sleep. She was (much)later diagnosed with ADHD and was VERY hyperactive. (She is in college now and doing great!)

I have often wondered how Kate would deal with such a needful child. My heart breaks too when I think of the children like this who are born into families who can't or won't cope with their needs. I waited 6 years to have our second in order to be fair to both children. I suspect Colin and Alexis may have had developmental delays with the central nervous system as well - likely due to being multiples. She had no patience for them. None. It breaks my heart.

gabby2 said...

Admin....and remember Jon had to go get her coffee and bring it to her in bed before the poor guy left for work...

So the poor tubs were in their cribs all but 6 hours a day. Wow.

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

I do feel a little bad about the possible sexual abuse that Kate May have had to deal with.

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Did this allegation come from Kate herself...or from someone else?

cherier1 said...

@Admin In their cribs until 8 or 9 oclock, then a four hour nap, then back in bed by 7 again. By my calculations that means those babies were really only up for SIX HOURS a day.

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Exactly. Toddlers need floor time to move and explore and touch and experience. I never understood why she didn't have 2 play areas, 1 in the family room and 1 in the kitchen, for example, inside those large circular gates/pens they make for toddlers. (They are contained and safe but not penned up in a too small environment like a traditional play pen) If 2 are fussing, put one in a different play pen. Give them lots of appropriate toys etc. My kids loved plastic containers like Cool Whips tubs to stack & fill with blocks etc. She never made that house kid-friendly. I think the kids were BORED.

njay said...

Just before Robert released his book, he mentioned a few reasons it was delayed. One he mentioned was TMZ cover up. Does anyone know what that was about?

localyocul said...

cherier1 said... 41
@localyocul said... 29
I may have mentioned this before. My daughter was a f.u.s.s.y. baby......
Anyway, my point is, what would Kate have done with a child like that? Or did she have one or two (Alexis and Collin)? ....

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I too had a fussy baby who barely slept during the day after 6 months of age and needed to be walked for, sometimes, 2 hours in the evening to get her to sleep. She was (much)later diagnosed with ADHD and was VERY hyperactive. (She is in college now and doing great!)

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Interesting! My dd has always been very distracted and forgetful. She is smart but very very forgetful. I suspect she is ADD, inattentive type. I took her to CHOP to be evaluated and they found she was depressed. She is doing better emotionally but still very distracted so her psych may put her on medication for the ADD. And she's almost 16! I swear temperaments are ingrained from birth.

LisaNH said...

While I am glad that the book is revealing what Kate truly is to the world (and we always suspected, but had no hard proof), it seems to be a disturbing book. I haven't read it but read the snippets I see online. It is so disturbing that those poor children have had to grow up in a home like this.

I have alway said that my fear for the kids is that some of them will grow up to be like Kate. I hope I'm wrong but I am so afraid that even just one will grow up to be a narcissistic, abuser, like their mother. But lets hope that Jon's influence will curb that. Hopefully, now that Jon has his own life away from their mother and has 50% of time with them, that will be what it takes to prevent that from happening.

Overall, though, I'm just sad to read these bits and pieces from the book. I'm sad for those 8 innocent children who are probably more grown up than they should be due to their living conditions with their mother.

LoveMyGrandsons said...

njay, okay, yes you got me! Now for that dis I expect you to pay for my Halloween candy. Please send me a Target giftcard for no less than 50.00; we get a lot of trick or treaters. Admin's accounting boys can give you my address.

cherier1 said...

Fleecing The Sheeple said... 43
I do feel a little bad about the possible sexual abuse that Kate May have had to deal with.

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Did this allegation come from Kate herself...or from someone else?
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I don't think we have any evidence of this.

LBelle said...

Hi all!
I didn't realize there was a new post and I have a very big favor to ask of somebody, anybody. I don't know how to copy and paste using this iPad but I just posted #1799 on old thread, and was hoping somebody would help me out and bring it over here. It's kind of a gut wrenched and I simply don't think I can write it out again. First time was hard enough.
Oh...it is somewhat OT...until you read about it and then you'll all understand, I believe, why I posted it.
Thanks so much! xoxo

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Did this allegation come from Kate herself...or from someone else?


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Robert said it came from three different people. Not surprisingly none of them want to go on record.

And just for the record they didn't say WHO allegedly molested her.

And, there is a possibility she might have made such a story up for sympathy. Or exaggerated. I wouldn't put it past her.

gabby2 said...

And 8 children with no grandparents to spoil them, no aunts no uncles no cousins....

Get medicated Kate, you'll feel better said...

Family members and other sources (according to Robert, three separate sources) have disclosed that Kate was both physically and sexually abused as a child.

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I don't know who the question was directed at but this is from the text above.It looks as if Robert is saying 3 separate family members are the sources.

LoveMyGrandsons said...

Cherier1, oh, yes, I remember those days with the tupperware bowls. Wait for it everyone, here it comes, a post about my grandsons! Who would've guessed it?!

The boys knew where my tupperware cupboard was and loved to go in there and pull out every freaking piece of plastic in there! They stacked them, put toys in them, rolled them, tried to stand on them, etc.

When the boys went to bed, all of the tupperware went into to the dishwasher (I hate washing dishes!), put back in the cupboard, and ready for them to take out the next day.

No matter the blocks or whatever we had for them, that tupperware cupboard seemed to fascinate them! They come by it naturally, though, as it also fascinated my daughter when she was a toddler, and their grandmother loves to buy it! Lol!

chefsummer said...

Reading what Kate did to her children make me sick.

Reading how Kate got away with this maltreatment of her kids make me sick.

Thinking of how Kate got away with his horrid behavior in front of people. Make me very sick.

I don't even want to think of what she getting away with when people aren't around.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

One comment I made, not knowing anything else, I actually think Kate had a point about production. It needed to be organized, they needed to know who was going to be in their house and when, they needed advance notice. The way she paints it things were getting a little out of hand and crazy. Assuming that's true, okay fine, but then when the new guy JEFF came in and wanted a dinner meeting to talk about all her concerns and actaully FIX them, what does she do? Blows him off!

I just don't understand it. You make perhaps what are valid complaints. Jen is replaced by a new guy who is perfectly willing to address your complaints. And you blow him off. At that point I wouldn't know what to tell her.

A Pink Straight Jacket For Kate said...



LBelle said... 199
I've taken a Kreider break for most of today. Yesterday, on twitter, a 'truther' posted about the heartbreaking story of Ty Louis Campbell. She was pointing out what a monumental failure KK was in comparison to Ty's Mommy and I had to check it out. My eyes are swollen from the tears from reading this gut wrenching blog, Facebook page, twitter and huffington Post article. Talk about inspirational and maddening all at the same time. The injustice of parents like the Campbell's having to lose their precious baby while Kate Gosselin behaves as she does is simply infuriating. I have more hate for her today than I thought possible. It's not right. It's so very warped and wrong. She is no 'mother' and I pray that Karma keeps on doing what it's been doing.
Sorry...I don't mean to be a drag...I'm just so, so upset right now and needed to vent to a group of wonderful ladies who will truly 'get it'.
October 19, 2012 7:57 PM

kateissociopath said...

Hey! I got Coupon Cabin showing up in the ads! Alright!

LBelle said...

Thank you so much, Pink!
I'm pretty much useless when it comes to learning new things on computers. It takes me forever to get it down pat.

SusieCincinnati said...

@53 - Family members and other sources (according to Robert, three separate sources) have disclosed that Kate was both physically and sexually abused as a child.

I don't know who the question was directed at but this is from the text above.It looks as if Robert is saying 3 separate family members are the sources.

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He couldn't be saying that it came from three separate sources, two of whom were family members and one who was not a family member?

I don't interpret this as being three separate family members as the sources, but I'm probably missing something!

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

kateissociopath said... 58

Hey! I got Coupon Cabin showing up in the ads! Alright!

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Has anyone seen Lisa lately? Did she give up on us, or did she move more than 2.8 miles away? I miss her...

A Pink Straight Jacket For Kate said...

You are welcome, LBelle.
My pleasure.

gabby2 said...

I think they have details wrong...anyone able to post there? She made more than $22,500 an episode.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/19/kate-gosselin-fired-tlc-blogging-demanding_n_1988016.html

LoveMyGrandsons said...

LBelle, that was a heartwarming yet heartbreaking story at the same time. I said my prayers for the family. Thank you for posting it.

Kate truly does not realize how fortunate she has been, especially with having multiples.

anger issues kate said...

Question: Those who have the book. How much did Kate make doing Kate plus 8? Did she get paid $250,000 an episode as reported by TV Guide or what?

cherier1 said...

@Admin Robert said it came from three different people. Not surprisingly none of them want to go on record.

And just for the record they didn't say WHO allegedly molested her.

And, there is a possibility she might have made such a story up for sympathy. Or exaggerated. I wouldn't put it past her.

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I had forgotten this. I stand corrected. Sigh. Layers of ugly in this story.

Get medicated Kate, you'll feel better said...

Yeah #60, I misread. 3 separate sources. Thanks for pointing that out.

LisaNH said...

Get medicated Kate, you'll feel better said... 53
Family members and other sources (according to Robert, three separate sources) have disclosed that Kate was both physically and sexually abused as a child.

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I don't know who the question was directed at but this is from the text above.It looks as if Robert is saying 3 separate family members are the sources.

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This is directed mostly at your screen name :)

But, would medication help Kate? Is she mentally ill or just simply evil? I don't mean to throw that word out "evil" but maybe just a very bad person? Is there any hope for this woman?

In all honesty, I don't see her changing her ways ever. She would have to admit she has a problem first and we all know that will never happen. Granted, she must know right from wrong, since she was concerned about having hurt the children when she beat them, and yet she continued to abuse them. Or maybe it was a fear of getting caught that caused her to be concerned?

Kate is a very complicated person and difficult to understand.

LoveMyGrandsons said...

Well, everyone, I'm signing off for tonight. I only mention this because we no longer have Kate's tweets at the top of the page to let us know when she is going to bed. Therefore, I feel I must step in and take her place.

OMG, its been fun fun fun day and I only did half of my 2do list. but my eyesRclosing and my bed is calling me so GN all! 2morrow is another day for tackling challenges positively!!!!!!! Always my motto. GN!

Kristine said...

There are no words that come to mind, after reading the exCerpts (made a typo last time!) posted here except...

KATE GOSSELIN-- YOU ARE A CHILD ABUSER. GET HELP NOW, AS YOU OBVIOUSLY CAN'T FIX YOURSELF... MONSTER MOMMY.

Gosselin Book in turn, made the CEO of Coupon Cabin (also a CASA charity supporter as karma would have it ;), step back and see the truth. Veritas Baby!

Bearswife- (Glad we have been "a coutin'", sister.) I knew we had much in common. My Mom thought I would be "the one". Still no kids, at 40 years old. Every Mother's Day she wishes me a "Happy Potential Mother's Day!" Now? I call her first and say... "Let's get real-- Happy potential menopause. I'm over 40 now, Mom!"

njay said...

Here is what she said about why she wrote everything in a journal. She claims Jon and Joel were clueless. How clueless, or better yet, stupid for her to think documenting all she did to them would be the greatest gift they could have as an adult. And she truly thinks this show them her love? It's enough to gag a maggot. For real!

Anyway, here it is.

With each journal entry, each note, each event and conversation recorded, my kids will have a permanent reminder of my love for them during these early years. But this legacy is far from complete. I’ll continue writing my kids love notes because I just want them to know how much I love them.” “my kids will have a permanent reminder of my love for them during these early years …”

Hoffman, Robert (2012-09-27). KATE GOSSELIN: HOW SHE FOOLED THE WORLD (Kindle Location 24087-24093). . Kindle Edition.



Get medicated Kate, you'll feel better said...


This is directed mostly at your screen name :)

But, would medication help Kate? Is she mentally ill or just simply evil?

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LisaNH, I cant be certain, I am not a professional. Her behavior however is extremely similar to my Schizophrenic mothers. Like I said before, it was hard for me to even tear my eyes away from their train wreck of a show.

Only time will tell. My mother had a cycle and would periodically end up in the psych ward.

Sleep tight LMG's! As Kate would say "get flat"

BTW, those are my real initials :)

Kristine said...

Damnit' "A couRtin'"... I ruined that one Bearswife.

So, Rumspringas all around- on me! (If I ever go to Lanc. County, I will look you PA'ers up for a lager at their brewery. Hubby & I are huge fans of local brewskies ;)

Kristine said...

Let's try this again... "A courtin'

Is that right, Milo? Why on earth would she ask Kate, how one would go about a-courting her? I heard this elderly woman M&J speak, on the Nina show. She spoke with such fervor and passion, during her call. I believe with every (non-mean) bone in my body, this is a desperate Kate fanatic. And Twitter is her only daily outlet to truly access Kate Gosselin. She must be going insane. Maybe the two will share a padded room & borrow one another's pink straight jackets soon. Tickety-tockety... 15 Mins.

Kristine said...

At this time, 2222 hrs. PST... I'd like to give a shout-out to the people at the power comany, for keeping our lights on!

Watch out Bloggers- CJ might find out where you work, and have you dismissed for slacking off.

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

s that right, Milo? Why on earth would she ask Kate, how one would go about a-courting her?

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Didn't she ask how a suitor would go about courting her? I seem to remember the word "suitor" and thought it was really creepy. She also asked Kate how Kate visualizes her. That, along with some posts that she dreams about she and Kate walking off into the sunset, and how she would love to have dinner ready for Kate when she got home, really got me to thinking that this might be a man...or a really love-sick woman!

Bearswife said...

Kristine (my soul sister),
Potential menopause? I think I am hitting it already. Nice little peri-meno to keep me hopping.
BTW My mom is so happy to have a baby to shop for. It's a just a shame she lives far away from my bro.
~~

Dwindle, yoo hoo, Dwindle? Hell-oooo?

I really should apologize to you. On the last thread, when I gave you a shout out for being all popular and such, I said "Dwindle, our ditches" but what I meant to say was "Dwindle, our DUTCHESS"!! So let me apologize profusely and your gift card is on its way. Will you forgive me?

Kristine said...

2122 hrs. My NPD bitch Base Commander, would have killed me for that one.
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"Get medicated Kate, you'll feel better said... 72

This is directed mostly at your screen name :)

But, would medication help Kate? Is she mentally ill or just simply evil?"
_______________________________________________

I think Kate is just evil. My bi-polar little sister will not use the medication, therefore we are now done. Do you realize your handle says "... You'll FELL better"? I once received a get-well card when I was sick from my first real love Aramis, in the 6th grade. (Hold the laughter.) It said... I hope you 'fell' better Kristine! We still chat to this day.


Fleecing The Sheeple said...

At this time, 2222 hrs. PST... I'd like to give a shout-out to the people at the power comany, for keeping our lights on!

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Dang, those utility workers. Our power did go off tonight, but I thought it was because of the storm that rolled through. I thought those utility workers might be the New Sheriff in Town, just checking in once again with an ultimatum.

Kristine said...

Oh, you changed it... Get Medicated! Bravo!

I hope we all FEEL better, after this saga is all over with.

franky said...

Omg
.
omg

I am bouche bec"

the sheer audacity of this narccisisy boggles my mind

I feel ill reading 5h 3post discription

reads like my chilhood

need a break...post later

thanks all wgo commended m. auelz books
.gon
gonna re read start to finish

bbl

Kristine said...

"With each journal entry, each note, each event and conversation recorded, my kids will have a permanent reminder of my love for them during these early years." - Kate Gosselin
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Oh those kids have a "permanent reminder", allrighty. It's called the big wooden spoon. Where is the SPANKER, Kate?

I can only imagine the closed-door conversation between Katie and Mr. Kluth, CC CEO.

Scott: "Are these YOUR words in Gosselin Book, Kate? It makes us look soooooooooooooooooooooo bad, here at Coupon Cabin, Kate."

C'mon! You know it may have happened like that.

Kristine said...

Still musing... Scheduled conference calls, anyone?

At that time, Steve Neild probably stepped in- at the Coupon Cabin meeting, at Kate's demand and said... "Mr. Kluth, we will not be responding to any questions regarding 'Kite' and Gosselin Book."

Hired then... Fired.

Bluebird said...

Franky, you are bouche bec, I don't blame you. I don't know if you've read the Book, but what's above is only a fraction. I'm sorry this reads like your childhood.

LMG, sweet dreams.

I wonder if Kate is having sweet dreams tonight, or if she's recovering from some nips & tucks.

readerlady said...

Okay, this is OT, about books, so if you aren't interested, scroll on down.

I'm bringing this over, sort of, from the other thread. Border Collie, talking to you about the possibility of a children's series similar to "CLan of the Cave Bear" reminded me of a book I loved when I was a kid. There was a writer named Lucy Fitch Perkins who wrote a series of books called "The _____ Twins". There were Japanese Twins and Dutch Twins and Eskimo Twins and Scotch Twins (I know, I know, but that's what she called them). Each pair of twins was a boy and a girl and, depending upon the book, were either 5 or 12. I absolutely loved them, because they had all kinds of information about growing up in different countries and about their customs. Anyway, one of the books was "The Cave Twins". Just for fun, I looked for it on Amazon, and I found that 12 of the books are available for Kindle download, for FREE!! So -- those of you who have Kindles, or the Kindle app on your computer and have kids or grandkids, these books might be enjoyable for them. You don't have anything to lose, since they are free. The reading level is probably about 7 or 8 - 10. Just go to the Kindle Store in Amazon and input her name, Lucy Fitch Perkins.

Reading this blog entry brings back some of the emotions I felt when I first read the book. Robert posted that note to Jon on his blog but didn't give the date. I assumed it was more recent, probably after the separation, when they were moving back and forth into the house on their custody time. I was floored when I learned that it was dated 2006. That was when Jon was working full time, commuting 2 hours round trip each day, and assuming complete care of all 8 when he got home in the evening. Just when did KK expect him to do the "not daily" things? In his sleep?! The abuse passages are so painful to read about and each time is just as upsetting as the first time. She truly does not deserve those 8 beautiful, healthy children. I can't imagine how she would deal with a child who was less than perfect. She wouldn't be able to cope if one of the tups had been like Rebecca Hayes, with multiple, severe limitations. She freaks out because one of the kids needs glasses. Such a beyotch!

JoyinVirginia said...

Thanks for the new post, admin. I almost felt a teeny bit sorry for Ms Kreider. Reading how awful she was to her husband, to Janet, to the production crew.. I don't have any sympathy for her at all. I hope the children are able to have happy lives despite having this hideous creature for their gestational carrier. I how they can realize she treated them badly because she is a pathetic excuse for a human being, and not because they were bad or deserved it.

readerlady said...

Okay, my French is very, very limited (as in non-existent, LOL. I took Latin, Spanish and German. No French). Bouche I know is mouth. What does bouche bec mean?

Kristine said...

Bearswife- Congrats on becoming an "Auntie"! Speaking of the most popular posters here...

"...I said "Dwindle, our ditches" but what I meant to say was "Dwindle, our DUTCHESS"!!"

Thanks for clarifying. I wondered what ditches meant all day! Auto-correct?

(Dwindles' post earlier, that ended with the steel-toed boots was my personal favorite... Some of you just have a way with words ;)

Bluebird said...

Readerlady, it means stunned, didn't know what to say, or flabbergasted.

LBelle said...

Fleecing...76:
Wow! I am so with you about how creepy those tweets from Milo to Kate were!!
Milo is such a mystery. I have NO idea what she/he? is really all about. Just know that those type of tweets seriously weirded me out! What a freak!

SaveThe8FromEvilKate said...

Just finished reading comments from the last post and they jogged my memory. At the beginning of the episode when Jon and Kate first got the dogs didn't they mention they met someone who was a breeder at some event? IIRC wasn't that person a police officer?

That would explain some things about Kate being able to get Shoka back considering Robert's book and her having her local PD in the palm of her hand.

I've tried looking up old episodes but that part seems to be cut from what I've been able to find. I do distinctly remember them mentioning how they came across the breeder. Anyone else remember this?

readerlady said...

Bluebird -- Thanks. Now I know something else useful in French.

Savethe8 -- I think I remember them saying they met him at church or something like that. I don't remember the part about being a policeman.

SaveThe8FromEvilKate said...

Thanks ReaderLady, good to know my memory doesn't always fail me. Between Kate's lies and what I think I remember, I get confused easily :)

Anonymous said...

Me, Betsy, here...Just got home and am thinking most of you are in bed.
Wanted to continue her childhood home, etc. from the other thread, here...as someone asked for it. I'm confused, Tucker's mom, and didn't mean to upset you, if I did (the all caps?).
These are excerpts from Court Documents. Kate was born in 1975, correct? Seems like work on the property, began in 1984, when she would have been 9. The property bought, long before that...and "primative" camping sites, set up.
In other court documents, the Krieder home, is described as a trailer, and I will try and lo
cate it. Sure, she went to college, Kate, did she live with the boyfriend then...during the summers breaks, etc?
My only point with this,is to bring up Kate's issue with camping, dirt, the boys playing outside, etc. and her adversion to it. Not to mention Kevin doing her chores for her. Entitlement starting at a young age.
The Kreiders own approximately 86 acres in South Londonderry
Township. They first acquired 26 acres sometime in the 1970's. They built their

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home on approximately 6.5 acres. In 1984, they obtained special exception
approval to operate a campground on the vacant acreage to the northeast of their
residence and barn.1 As conditions of approval, the Township's Zoning Hearing
Board (ZHB) required (1) that the residence be a part of the campground and
remain occupied by persons administering the camp, (2) that there be no long term
occupancy of campsites, (3) that the Kreiders provide adequate and safe ingress
and egress and (4) that they "submit a Land Development Plan pursuant to
regulations of the Township's ordinance." In re Kreider (No. 8-1984, dated
October 26, 1984), ZHB decision at 3. Thereafter, the Kreiders drilled a well, cut a
few trails and roads, and opened their property to a few groups for primitive
camping. In the mid-1990's, Mr. Kreider, intending to devote more time to
operation of the campground, proceeded with improvements necessary to use the
site more intensively. In 1997, he obtained a sewage permit from the Township and
installed on-site sewage treatment sand mounds to accommodate several bath
houses for use by campers. Kreider also obtained a permit from the Department of
Transportation (DOT) for a low volume entrance drive.

Anonymous said...

Just finished reading the new post.
I am sick to my stomach. It was worse than we all imagined. Forget everything in my last comment, it doesn't matter, anymore. I was just trying to divert much sheeple nonsense going on, at the end of the last thread on to another Kate-ish topic. Dirt.

Kate K Gosselin, for the love of God, and those precious children, get. some. help. There is no shame in needing help. Absolutely none.
You are young and have a long way to go in this life, and it's not going to get any easier if you trying doing this on your own.

Jon, I'm sure you've got those kids in counseling, if it's true about the 50/50.

Good night, all. So very, very sad.
~Betsy

Border Collie said...

Thanks for the additional information on the books. I love to browse Amazon, read the comments, search similar items, etc. Didn't mess with the kid's section but now I have some books to look at on line.
I did buy Robert Hoffman's book right away so was happy that I did since it was pulled so soon. I tend always to read some here, some there, back to front and in between, so I'm not sure I've read every word of Robert's yet. One gets a sickening feeling reading it. She is such an empty woman.

Border Collie said...

Thanks for the additional information on the books. I love to browse Amazon, read the comments, search similar items, etc. Didn't mess with the kid's section but now I have some books to look at on line.
I did buy Robert Hoffman's book right away so was happy that I did since it was pulled so soon. I tend always to read some here, some there, back to front and in between, so I'm not sure I've read every word of Robert's yet. One gets a sickening feeling reading it. She is such an empty woman.

mama mia said...

What was it Kate used to scream at these toddlers? "We don't hit in this house".

I think TLC should air this show, Jon and Kate Plus Eight as how I thought it was meant to be, a documentary on child abuse. I still don't know how any right thinking person could think this was entertainment seeing toddlers punished, screamed at, abused, threatened, etc.

It also creeped me out how Kate made a point of telling the world her children were sure to say thanks to her.

LBelle said...

Love My Grandaons (LMG!)
Thank you for reading about a real mom and her undeniable love for Ty. It sure is a heartbreaker. Hard to imagine going on after that. Thanks for sharing a prayer for them as well. You are a sweetheart! xoxo
It's funny that it ended up being posted on this thread, where Kreiders horrific excuse for 'mothering' is front and center. They are polar opposites and I so wish the G8 could experience what real 'Mommy' love feels like. They have been robbed of so much and, besides haing a great Dad in their lives, are a pretty unfortunate group of kids. To hell with mansions! They have nothing with her. She's so far gone I doubt it'll even bother her, down the road, that they, some or all, will want nothing to do with her. It will STILL be all about Kate.

caryl said...

I was able to download a copy of the book from Amazon before it was pulled. So sad--they were beaten daily for normal 2 year old behavior. They were all beaten one day for "getting into the tissues". They did it a second day and were all beaten again. They were all beaten regularly for climbing out of their cribs. How sadistic to confine them interminally to their cribs then beat them when they try to escape. Here's a thought-watch them and put the tissues up! Who leaves six 2-year old unsupervised in a room together for excessive hours and expects them not to do anything that doesn't suit her? She details the beatings impassionately (for the most part) in her journal, like a prison warden would.
I also remember on tv where the children were waiting to go live on camera for an interview and Mady was being "grouchy", and Kate quietly said to her that she already had earned one spanking (beating, we now know) and would be getting another one if she didn't behave.
Does anyone know if anything is being DONE to get the children away from this momster? It seems that, with all this out, someone should be acting on this information.

LBelle said...

Mama Mia...99
Oh yes! Can't count how many times she screamed that line out to them!
After I finished reading the book I spent some time on YouTube, watching a bunch of those 'worst moments from season whichever' of J&K+8. They are even more disturbing than before, with all this proven info about what was REALLY taking place in that house.
Kate Gosselin is just a horrible, mean, insulting PIG and it's quite something to watch her operate, watch how she just kept getting more unbearable over time, watch poor Jon 'lose' himself and how he actually deflated as a man before our very eyes. She is so condescending to him it's hard to watch. I felt like throwing something whenever she thought she was being cute and would giggle away, thinking that makes it all okay.
Besides her circling the drain as a 'Stah' , I hope she loves somebody ( is that even possible, I wonder?) and that person ends up making her feel about as loved and important to him as she did to Jon. That would be the final Karma for Khate.

Dmasy said...

Administrator, that summary above is almost too much to take.

I read the book and sometimes put it down to take a mental break. You have condensed a few chapters. The conciseness of the report of her control makes it seem unrelenting. That was how Jon lived. And, it is how the children still live.

Now the mystery. Where is she? Where are the kids? The story that has been so public is now totally private.

It is unsettling.

Zoe said...

I was just reading on another blog that posted the entire transcript from Showbiz Tonight and something so funny jumped out at me. Following is the link and a small piece of the transcript. Notice Kate's last comment: "that can't be a question. It's too many words.". ROFL

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1210/18/sbt.01.html

Aired October 18, 2012 - 23:00:00 ET
...

HAMMER: Well, she did tweet to her fans that she is OK, and she said that she`s super busy. She told her fans not to worry about her.

I think it is safe to say, though, that Kate won`t be returning to her roots as a nurse. Because here`s what she revealed to producers backstage when she did Katie Couric`s show. They do a rapid fire Q&A backstage. And here`s what she said.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you prefer being a reality show star or a nurse?

KATE GOSSELIN, REALITY TV PERSONALITY: Definitely reality show star. More fun. I love nursing.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

GOSSELIN: You know, given the -- that can`t be a question. It`s too many words.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

kateissociopath said...

I think the dog breeder was either a cop locally or Highway Patrolman hired on off duty for security for one of Kate's speaking deals, probably to bilk the churches.
There were so many red flags in that epi too. Mom practically knocks kids out of the way racing to puppies, mine all mine--once again. Wonder how often Jon and the kids hear/heard everything is Kate's?

JoyinVirginia said...

More evidence Ms Kreider is less intelligent than a box of rocks. If you do something to a child to try and change behavior, and the behavior does not change after repeated actions, why don't you TRY SOMETHING ELSE?
If little kids get into something they shouldn't, try MOVING THAT THING TO WHERE THEY CAN'T GET IT! Tissues, candy, lotion, whatever! GET OFF YOUR LAZY BUTT AND MOVE THE THING!
Of children keep climbing out of cribs, MAYBE THEY ARE TO BIG FOR CRIBS AND YOU NEED A NEW STRATEGY! If you beat your children ecru day, and they keep doing the thing you beat them for, MAYBE YOU NEED TO STOP WITH THE BEATING AND TAKE A PARENTING CLASS OR GIVE UP YOUR CHILDREN TO SOMEONE WHO KNOWS HOW TO CASE FOR CHILDREN!
I think Ms Kreider is too stupid to take care of a cactus, let alone children or dogs. I think she has to have the boobyguard along to help her navigate airports, she wouldn't be able to find her way out of one otherwise.
I hope those children realize they can cut her out of their lives when they are old enough she has no legal control of them. Just like Ms Kreider cut Jodi, Kevin, grandparents, and so many others out of their lives. When you are eighteen you don't have to talk to her anymore.

kateissociopath said...

Who sponsors the most on TLC? what ads are seen the most, I don't do TLC --it just reeks of human exploitation, foul programing. I just wanted to know to hit a sponsor in the pocket-book by never buying their brand again and/or telling them so too.
Until Discovery TLC cleans up their act, stops protecting and promoting child abuse, animal abuse because they most certainly manipulated Kate into "melt downs" for ratings. Guess who paid the price?

terri said...

Children learn by the example parents set for them. These kids have seen how she removes anyone who doesn't agree with her from their lives. One day, and it will be here faster than Kate thinks, those kids are going to turn on her big time. I'm not saying all will, but the odds are that a few certainly will.

Formerly Duped said...

Grandsons: Yes, Kate said that about Janet on the couch and also made some remark during the party like 'don't fall, WE need you."

Parent: In The Book, Kate mentioned Janet was complaining about her to Jon and quit. I bet Jon was in trouble for commiserating!

Dmasy: I agree, it IS unsettling how no word fro Kate- it's either a ploy for sympathy or she is embarrassed, OR off trying to 'sell herself.' I think if anything 'bad' *shudder* had happened, it would have been reported.

Re: Alexis and Collin: In Kate's book IJWYTK, she stated Collin and Alexis needed OT for motor delays and are the two with the anger issues. That's public knowledge thanks to Kate. While we can suspect other issues, we don't know, and it's private...for now.

Paula said...

Good morning all. Beautiful fall day here in N. Georgia. Have my cup of coffee and just reading Admin's recap before I go out to do some yardwork. It's been what, 2 weeks, since I read the book and the horror of Kate Gosselin is brought up all over again. The very public firing and dismissal of Kate this week does not even begin to start the Karma this woman should face. Anyone that can beat a child, especially their own, has a special place in hell as far as I am concerned.

gabby2 said...

TLC used to be one of my favorite channels....that O'Neill person has destroyed it.

Instead of the Learning Channel, it's become the Lechery Channel.

richsmom said...

Kate never bonded with her children, only Hannah. Hannah is probably the only one that escapes is not brutally and savagely abused by her. She didn't bond because she had too many and had too much help.

Jon is such a weak, weak man. When your wife calls you and says she can't control herself around your children, DO SOMETHING Jon. Stop being such a coward. He's lucky they haven't ended up like Andrea Yate's children.

gabby2 said...

Only reason she liked Hannah was because Hannah "helped" her. I remember poor little Hannah folding clothes with mother no where in sight, but camera crew.

And I bet Jen was a professional with a heart, so Kate had to get rid of her. I also found it interesting that we now know purseboy has been around since season one.

wayward said...

JoyinVirginia said... 107
More evidence Ms Kreider is less intelligent than a box of rocks. If you do something to a child to try and change behavior, and the behavior does not change after repeated actions, why don't you TRY SOMETHING ELSE?
If little kids get into something they shouldn't, try MOVING THAT THING TO WHERE THEY CAN'T GET IT! Tissues, candy, lotion, whatever! GET OFF YOUR LAZY BUTT AND MOVE THE THING!
Of children keep climbing out of cribs, MAYBE THEY ARE TO BIG FOR CRIBS AND YOU NEED A NEW STRATEGY! If you beat your children ecru day, and they keep doing the thing you beat them for, MAYBE YOU NEED TO STOP WITH THE BEATING AND TAKE A PARENTING CLASS OR GIVE UP YOUR CHILDREN TO SOMEONE WHO KNOWS HOW TO CASE FOR CHILDREN!
I think Ms Kreider is too stupid to take care of a cactus, let alone children or dogs. I think she has to have the boobyguard along to help her navigate airports, she wouldn't be able to find her way out of one otherwise.
I hope those children realize they can cut her out of their lives when they are old enough she has no legal control of them. Just like Ms Kreider cut Jodi, Kevin, grandparents, and so many others out of their lives. When you are eighteen you don't have to talk to her anymore.
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Joy you are absolutely right.

What a horrible, horrible pattern of abuse, repeated at least 5 days out of the week. I'm guessing that on the weekends, Kate made Jon get the kids out after 2 hours.

Kate the Dictator declared naptime was from 12-4 even though most kids don't nap that long. This was so she wouldn't have to deal with them for 4 hours a day. She expected them to sleep, then lay in their cribs without moving until the magic hour of 4:00. She was demanding those kids behave in a way they were physically and mentally incapable of. She tried to terrorize those children with brutal force, into being too scared to move after waking up. And those who still took their clothes off, climbed out of their cribs and trashed the room were beaten some more.

What is even sicker (if that is possible) is that she would then go into a house of the Lord and play a videotaped package honoring those abused babies. All while gushing about how awesome they were and patting herself on the back for being a wonderful Christian mother who didn't choose reduction.


Formerly Duped said...

I don't think there was a reference to her spanking Hannah or other mean remarks about her. Again, in Kate's book, she said she would let Hannah ( and Leah?) iirc, come down after the others feel asleep during naptime. Favoritism much? ...although none of them should have needed a 4 hr nap.Mine gave up their ONE hour naps before the age of 18 mos.

Bluebird said...

The problem with a narcissist is that they are never wrong. When the children are older and start answering her back and repeat some of the terrible things she did to them, she will deny everything. She'll twist their words, find excuses and will never admit to the abuse. Even with her written journals, she'll weasle her way out of it, just like she did with the RV trip. Kate is so very mentally deranged that I'm afraid that one day she's going to go completely overboard and do something that will be irreversible to herself or one of the children.

koop dedoo said...

I vaguely remember that Khate mentioned that she & Jon met the dog breeder at some function where he was working security staff (not for her, for the function), and that he was retired state police officer. Must have been at the beginning of the episode where she was shown "picking puppies".

But didn't we find out they already had the puppies several months before they filmed the "picking" episode (which would have been in the McMansion)? And then the much bigger puppies were shown in a pen in the garage while packing from the house before the McMansion - hard to figure out the timeline, because they did not have to be out of the old house when they moved to the new house.

Kids in cribs for hours - I never understood the late mornings, long naps. Two of my 3 kids got up before dawn for a while (4:30 - 5:00) around 6 months of age. I got up, we cuddled/nursed on the couch as the morning TV shows came on. I am a morning person (although 4:30 is a bit early, even for me!), I loved the quiet one-on-one time.

butterfly said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 26
It sounds like she has a severe anger management problem to me. Or is extremely sensitive to her environment somehow.

Things that annoy her wouldn't annoy the average person. She talks about being all bent out of shape the sound guy was doing something in her garage. A normal person would assume he's just looking for a quiet place to figure out something with sound. A normal person would think nothing of it, much less write about it in their diary about how awful it was. And yet this really bothered Kate.

Have you ever encountered people who are easily annoyed? It's a little obnoxious really. Things bother them like waiting more than 4 seconds for the elevator, someone chewing gum even quietly, someone who looks at their watch a lot, someone even looking at you "wrong". I don't understand being this sensitive to others, but these people definitely exist.
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I think it does have something do with her being sensitive to her environment. I am that way, too, in my home. I cannot handle people in my home. Not one bit. I never invite people over and I make it quite clear that my home is my sanctuary because I freak out when people are here- what are they doing? what are they touching? where are they going? when are they leaving?? I always thought Kate may have some anxiety when it comes to strangers, and thats why she cannot travel alone, and why she comes as rude. I think she may panic if she didnt have Steve to keep her calm. So, strangers in her house may send her over the edge, too. Again, just a thought. But I do think she has anxiety.

wayward said...

gabby2 said... 114
Only reason she liked Hannah was because Hannah "helped" her. I remember poor little Hannah folding clothes with mother no where in sight, but camera crew.

And I bet Jen was a professional with a heart, so Kate had to get rid of her. I also found it interesting that we now know purseboy has been around since season one.
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Kate recently said she needed a bodyguard to protect her because she had 8 kids who needed their mother to be safe.

Ummmm.... uhhhh... honestly, then why... as we have inquired before, would she GO JOGGING ALONE ON DESOLATE COUNTRY ROADS BY HERSELF!!?? Putting herself in one of the most vunerable and dangerous situations a woman can put herself in. Jogging the back roads of Wernersville alone is way more dangerous than being in mid-town Manhattan or at a campsite in Wyoming.

So Kate, cut the f-ing crap and just come clean. You don't need Skeeve to accompany you to Target or while jogging alone, but you do want him to accompany you in more public situations. You don't like when people take pictures of you because you have an irrational and baseless fear someone might make money off it. Even though no one, including yourself, has made any money off of you for over a year. You are not mature enough or emotionally healthy enough to accept the fact that YOU put yourself in the public eye so YOU are fair game to any and all critcisims. But no. You aren't able go out in public with your big girl thong on and hold your head high, owning the behavior you project. Instead, like the little spoiled brat you are, you drag a school principal with you everywhere to "take care" of people who shout negative comments at you, or who may even want to approach you as a fan. Just like Steve "took care" of Admin when she asked you how you felt about the PA DoL investigation. He put his hand on Admin and he had no right to do so. Something tells me he became your preferred henchman because the other bodyguards weren't as willing to illegally infringe on the civil and legal rights of others, like Ratclaws is willing to do.

If you would just go away and never be heard from again, you wouldn't constantly have to worry about public scrutiny. Just a thought.

LoveMyGrandsons said...

Go Posh Go, new posters are not attacked. What happened the last few days is new coming on to this blog and immediately insulting other posters and being disrespectful. There is no reason for people to come here and attack others.

As for the regulars here, we all started as new posters at various times. Speaking for myself, I enjoy the new posters and different opinions, as do many others.

When I first started posting, I didn't comment alot. Now, the more I got to know the people on this blog, the more comfortable I felt. It just takes some time, but I don't think that is a clique.

Also, I don't think us grandmas are catered to. We just tend to comment with each other because we share those wonderful blessings called grandkids and we're proud of them.

So, Posh, if you take to get to know the good people on this blog, I really think your opinion would change. But that is up to you, Sweetie.

Mel said...

After the CC firing, and gosselinbook, you might think a normal person would shut down their twitter, go get treatment, not surface publicly for some time(like months, at least). And come back saying, omg, can't believe i was the way i was, but i've gotten treatment, i've made amends, hope to be a better person.

But no. Kate will probably soon surface on twitter saying, hi tweeteies! Happy to be back! Fun, fun, fun, film, film, film, exhausted, running, unicorns, rainbows, lollipops!!!!!!! Everyone who's ever met me loves me!!!!! I don't have a mean bone in my body!!!!!!! It's ALL certains one's fault!!!!

Mel said...

A normal person would be too embarrassed to show their face in public for quite a long time. If it was me, I think I'd shut down my twitter forever. Or at least years.

Pity Party said...

I watched one of the early episodes that someone provided a link for (thanks) and it was so obvious that all was not well. The kids were edgy and anxious (especially Col). All I could think of was that the boys had a full head of hair then knowing now that they were yanked around by the hair. Col. looked then as he does now like a 40-year-old man with the weight of the world on his shoulders.

It was obvious that she was pinching them looked like under the arm -M- and then walking away calling Jon over. She would get very anxious when they all started melting down and we know now it was because she could not beat them into submission because of filming. She was just itching to get her hands on them. She was in the background yanking them around by the head. Every child that she approached was left crying as she walked away, leaving it to Jon. She essentially invoked the meltdown and seemed to relish in her power to do so.

They say with an abuser there is one whipping post (except she has multiples) and one golden child and she fits that criteria so perfectly. I am broken-hearted that I ever watched the show not seeing more clearly what was happening with the kids. It was a "million" times worse than I think any of us ever imagined.

She is a polished abuser who knows how to do it and get by with it. When she described in the book about Al. shaking in fear (or cold) after lying in feces so long that it was encrusted on even her feet, you could just read into that such self satisfaction as in yeah I'm bigger and badder then you and I can make you shake with fear, try me. This is what you get. I am convinced that it was a combination of COLD WATER and fear.

The way Al. teared up and very tenuously said Mommy?, Mommy? and now we know it was like am I in trouble why are you being so nice wnen KT came back from her tummy tuck. I don't think Al. reached for her, not sure.

I will never forget when we were at my friend's house and she had invited some people with kids to enjoy the pool. The kids were overjoyed and did not know how to act and one of them pooped in the pool. My friend took it all in stride but the mother said I can turn all this around in heartbeat if you want - just watch. Thankfully, my friend, said please don't - it is not necessary. I thought wow those poor kids - that woman is a monster. Her whole demeanor changed. It was like she dropped her nice facade and turned into a bad ass that was about to kick some butt. It was disturbing, and so is KT.

KAT said...

I think its more and more evident that Kates not filming a dating show...still laughing over that BTW....Someone took her off twitter or she was advised to do so....the reason must be pretty horrific if she's not trying to get her daily ego booster...Once again this also proves Milo knows nothing...she/he/it said that Kate was working and very busy....such nonsense...Milo loves everyone to think she know what Kates doing..but the fact is she knows as much as we do...Last night she did all but beg Kate for a tweet....how twisted...hopefully Kate suspends her account so Milo can crawl back in her cave...

chefsummer said...

This is a public blog but...

We don't stay on topic
We don't like sheep or drive-buys
We don't answer some regular & old poster question.

And if you don't like it don't post or read here simple as that.

LancasterCountyMom said...

gabby2 said... 112
"TLC used to be one of my favorite channels....that O'Neill person has destroyed it.

Instead of the Learning Channel, it's become the Lechery Channel."


It was one of mine, too, gabby! The increase in stupidity in the few cable channels that I liked is the reason that we no longer even watch TV here at our house. Anything we really would like to see we can watch on youtube.

Anonymous said...

It's not an either-or situation, chefsummer. Readers can be wholly invested in the purpose of the blog, and still have strong feelings about the directions it sometimes takes. I'd be willing to bet that's more often the case than not.

It *is* a public blog, you're absolutely right. To my mind, that means we (all of us) should be open to a variety of opinions.

We're not haters, those of us who sometimes choose to post as Anonymous. You'd probably be surprised at how often we agree. We're just very aware of the backlash that comes of posting an unpopular opinion here. Something to think about, simple as that.

Mel said...

ne took her off twitter or she was advised to do so

Probably advised by that crack security team of hers!

dee3 said...

Maybe it was because I was reading Admin's new entry before I went to sleep.......but I was getting this creepy feeling, as I was reading it, that I was reading one of those true crime books (a la Ann Rule types). I don't read them very often, but they follow a time-line and have a build-up and you get this awful feeling something terrible is coming.
Then I had to remind myself that there was no murder here and none coming...that I was getting things mixed-up. But I swear, it felt like I was reading the build-up time-line of a true crime book last night. Just this horrible feeling of dread and creepiness.
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@Go Posh Go~

First....and if I misunderstood you here, I apologize......but the definition of a "drive by".....in terms of how it's used here.... (to me) does not mean someone who only posts occasionally......but means someone antagonistic stealth-bombing the blog....like a car driving by with someone shooting a gun out the window.....something hostile.

If a person only posts/comments occasionally here, that is not a "drive-by". Again, I apologize if I've misunderstood what you wrote but I don't think anyone here has a problem with anyone who only comments occasionally or even rarely....as long as the post isn't hostile or intentionally argumentative. A person can comment as much or as little as he/she wants.....no problem.

Listen....you are not the only one here commenting with the same observation but the problem is....it's a subjective perception and not really an objective observation. I went through the same thing myself but I learned that it was a total misperception on my part.

It can be really difficult. It would be like having 50-75 women (and a few men) all conversing in ONE room with multiple side conversations going on.....and you walk in, walk up to a small group, can't follow what they're talking about....and feel alienated and not part of the group.
It's totally understandable.......it happened to me.....but I'm telling you....it's a misperception. When it's busy here, you have comments streaming fast....and commenters are probably leaving and returning to their computers and my miss what was written....or have to glide over/speed read what they missed....and may miss a comment you made. It happens all the time.

It's actually very easy to join in here....but can be more difficult if you're defensive and come across as resentful. Just join in....don't expect anyone to quote you or refer to your comment every time, be complimentary, quote others, be friendly.
There are not really cliques here....more long-time friends. Some of us have been in the Gosselin blogosphere for years and just got to know each other but everyone is free to join in and the more the merrier.

Seriously......just take one entry and count the number of different names of individuals commenting. Then think of that number of people all in one room having multiple conversations. Yes...can seem daunting at first but it's very, very easy to join right in. Just keep commenting and you'll see.

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

Oh brother, here we go again. I stay out of these little tiffs and when I come across OT subjects I'm not interested in, I scroll. Now with scrolling past those AND all the b*tching, my "scrolling finger" is sprained!

Why doesn't everyone go out, rake leaves, walk dog, have coffee on the porch, breath fresh air, wash rumspringa glasses; just take a break. People are beginning to sound like grumpy, bored old ladies picking everything to pieces.

JoyinVirginia said...

Re dog adoptions: rescue group I foster had application process that includes references from vet and at least 3 non relatives. Then there is home visit. All our dogs are fostered in homes. The foster parent arranges a meeting with the prospective adopter to see if they and dog are good match. At any stage three process can be stopped. If references are bad, application goes no farther. If home visit gives bad vibe or is not acceptable re safety, application is not approved. If the foster family does not feel there is good fit, they can block adoption of dog they are fostering, maybe there is another available dog with personality that is better match. I just approved adoption of the FIFTH dog we have fostered this year, and very happy dog is going to good family. this dog is great with kiss. Some dogs are better with adults.
Ms Kreider would have been turned down by our rescue. All family members have to be equally interested in getting a dog and providing care, and as RH has said, there would have been no one locally to give her a recommendation.
After thinking about it more, Ms Kreider is probably too unintelligent to take care of a cactus. Maybe she could manage a pet rock. Maybe. If the boobyguard instructs her.
news flash! Ms Kreider is still boring, plus she is despicable.

Paula said...

My guess is that someone took Kate's phone from her. She is addicted to the phone and Twitter - there is no way she voluntarily has gone "silent".

I would say that someone may have staged an intervention, but she doesn't have anyone close to her that would care enough about her to do that, I don't think. I think Steve just sees her as a paycheck.

JoyinVirginia said...

Auggghhh! Auto correct! Dog rescue I foster FOR. current foster dog is great with KIDS! He does like kisses too.

Improbable Dreams said...

You know how it is with two year olds, how you worry less when they're noisy at play than when they suddenly get quiet?

That's how I'm feeling about Kate's abrupt silence. I can't help but feel a sense of dread.

P.S. With all due respect, I don't think it serves us well to call each other out for expressing our opinions. We're silenced far too often, we woman. Calling someone a "grumpy old lady" is akin to saying a younger woman is acting like she's "on the rag." Ugh. We can do better, I think, and we should. (peace...)

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

I don't post here as often as many. When I do I tell it like it is and I don't hide behind "anonymous." To each his own.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...


You know how it is with two year olds, how you worry less when they're noisy at play than when they suddenly get quiet?

That's how I'm feeling about Kate's abrupt silence. I can't help but feel a sense of dread.


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Yes exactly. I hate to say I'm worried about her, but I sort of am.

Dwindle said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 24
It's one thing if it happens at bedtime. But it seems to me if a kid is constantly crawling out of his crib in the middle of the day, use your common sense, HE'S NOT TIRED.

Not all kids need naps. I stopped needing a nap at about 2. But of course it wasn't about the kids and she even said that, it was about Kate getting a break.
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She used the cribs as cages.

Many of us may have used playpens to help keep babies safe, but playpens were to be filled with toys for learning and sensory stimulation of all kinds. Kate locked them in their cribs with nothing to do and then journals that Joel is clueless and several others are restless, defiant, and not as sharp as she would like. A growing brain and growing motor coordination will REGRESS if left to lay in a cage and stare at a ceiling.

IDModo said...

I AM a grumpy, bored old lady. What I am grumpy about is Kate Gosselin, child and animal abuser and all her enablers. What I am bored with is all the sniping going on. "Can't we all just get along?"

localyocul said...

Saw this on twitter:

@strawberrypsu
@OneMomsOpinion @PimpMyKids @Kateplusmy8 @TLC Well click on my link at 15:10 til the end you can see the rough handling http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I_4OVy7JaA …

This is the link from Gosselins go Dutch:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I_4OVy7JaA

Starting at about 15:05 it looks like Kate had changed some diapers (or someone had). Leah is licking her hands, maybe she had helped hand diaper wipes or something or had her hands cleaned with a wipe? Anyway, Jon roughly handles her. This they show. BUT you can see if you watch that Kate reaches down then Leah cries and holds her wrist. It is now clear that they edited out Kate slapping her.

Later, about 19:19, for some reason Mady is in the stroller. Kate tells her "you're not 3" and Mady cries "You hurt me! Daddy!" Then Jon comes along and Kate tells him to handle it. Then Mady starts sobbing and rubbing her armpit saying OUCCH. I think Mady must have been whining, Kate grabbed her under the arm and threw her in the stroller...all edited out.

I think someone in LE needs to subpoena the cutting room floor tapes of this show. What is the statute of limitations on child abuse? Would TLC be criminally liable for covering it up?


Paula said...

Yep, admin. This is not normal Kate behavior. Maybe instead of dread we can hope she is getting help.

Formerly Duped said...

Dwindle: That's right. IIRC, those cribs did not have those Fisher Price Learning Centers, cloth books or other toys to occupy the kids- what on earth did they do for 4 hours in the afternoon, or the hours before Mommy woke up?No wonder they learned to climb out. It does remind me of a stimulation- deprivation scene from a Russian orphanage.

dee3 said...

I have a question regarding the timeline....because I don't have the book....but at what point, specifically during the child abuse periods, did TLC and filming enter the picture? I know R. Hoffman has some corroboration from "staffers" but were these "staffers" (ie: nannies, etc.) hired by TLC or unconnected to them?
Where there (and when) periods of time when nobody was in the house but Kate, Jon and the children? With nobody to actually witness anything (including things like hearing her hitting a child in the bathroom, etc.)?

If you take the entire time period during which she was physically abusing the children, how much of that time would there have been either household staff/nannies/film crew there to witness it?
Was TLC already in the picture and actively filming during the time period when she documented the abuse in her journals?

I wish I could get a big piece of construction paper and make a timeline like I did of the Holy Roman Empire when I was a kid.
The whole timeline thing really has me confused.......and if I understood some of the previous comments here correctly........that's an area that could have been improved in R. Hoffman's book, right? That the way it's written makes the time-line confusing?

I think what mainly interests me here is related to the role TLC and their accountability in this child abuse situation. At what point did they become aware of it....and for how long did they cover it up?

I worry the entire focus will end up being on Kate and TLC's role will sneak out the back door.

butterfly said...

JoyinVirginia said... 133
Re dog adoptions: rescue group I foster had application process that includes references from vet and at least 3 non relatives.
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And that is the reason I dont have a foster dog. I am an introvert and I move alot (military) so I dont have 3 non-relative refernces :(

So, what about people who are lonely, who dont have friends, and a pet is exactly what they need? They cant get a foster pet and must buy one instead? I am not being snarky- I am asking seriously. It seems like a lose/lose cuz those loney people could really benefit from a pet who needs a forever home.
And I really wanted to get a rescue, as I have my dog, and I love her soooo much that I wanted to get rescues of her breed. But I cannot because of the strict rules. It's a shame because I provide a great home. My dog is pampered and loved and the rescue would be, too.
I understand the rules, I just think they are too strict and they are ruling out an entire segment that is perfect for these pets.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Butterfly you need to try a variety of foster agencies. Each one has their own rules. Mine is strict in terms of wanting to be sure you will never give up the dog. But they don't require any references. They evaluate you themselves by talking to you, having you answer questions on an application, and coming to your home.

Dwindle said...

Happy Saturday all! Sorry I missed the blog hoopla last night. Well, no not really, but we went out and that was fun too.

Sorry though that I didnt get to explain my HBB comments to any who chose to misintrepret them.

I recall Eileen O'Neill's comments very well. She doesnt think the viewing audience is laughing at that child and her family but rather 'we are leaning in to be surprised and entertained'. *I* think the family is being set up to be laughed at because they are a bit different than what TV usually shows. I feel so bad for the kids, and I am embarrassed for the mother, who is probably someone I could be friends with.

As far as my comments from yesterday, quite a bit of that was snark, slams against the ever present pot stirrers and my stalker (who did not disappoint) mixed with my dismay over what TV and money do to normal people. And just because a family is different than mine does not make them abnormal. Not AVERAGE, perhaps, but is different.

By the way, I got about 70% of the way through Robert's book and I stopped. it was all just too disgusting and getting a bit repetitive and I needed a break. Glad to see then new thread.

JoyinVirginia said...

Tweet le deep, THANK YOU for sensible good advice! I am going to take the dogs for a walk now, and work in the yard some. Gorgeous day here!

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

I always thought Kate may have some anxiety when it comes to strangers, and thats why she cannot travel alone, and why she comes as rude. I think she may panic if she didnt have Steve to keep her calm. So, strangers in her house may send her over the edge, too. Again, just a thought. But I do think she has anxiety.

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Could be. Maybe it's a control thing. The idea that four or five crew member are traipsing through their home touching things, not putting things back, tracking in mud. I remember her requiring them to wear booties at one point.

Asberger's was thrown out there at one point, although I think pretty much ruled out by those who have a lot of experience with it. But aren't they also very sensitive to any subtle changed in their environment?

AuntieAnn said...

kateissociopath said... 106

I think the dog breeder was either a cop locally or Highway Patrolman hired on off duty for security for one of Kate's speaking deals, probably to bilk the churches.
There were so many red flags in that epi too. Mom practically knocks kids out of the way racing to puppies, mine all mine--once again. Wonder how often Jon and the kids hear/heard everything is Kate's?
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On the Access Hollywood intervew she said when she runs with the kids she slows down and waits for them. When they catch up she runs away. Then she said she's got everyone teasing Joel to 'grow some legs'. She gets pleasure out of her cruelty.

chefsummer said...

I don't get why Jon & Kate got embarrassed cause the kids were crying.

I mean their kids that's what kids do.

butterfly said...

Thx Admin, good to know. I will keep my eyes open as I move from duty station to duty station :)
I wont give up on a getting a rescue to pamper.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...



I don't think there was a reference to her spanking Hannah or other mean remarks about her. Again, in Kate's book, she said she would let Hannah ( and Leah?) iirc, come down after the others feel asleep during naptime. Favoritism much?

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She makes one or two comments that she spanked "all six of them." So it's not as if Hannah was never spanked. But she never specifically talks about anything Hannah does (or Leah or Cara I think) or singles them out like she tends to single out the boys and Alexis and Mady.

I also don't see a reference to spanking Cara, who used to be one of her favorites I think, until Cara decided enough of this crap and turned her loyalty over to Jon.

AuntieAnn said...

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said... 129

Oh brother, here we go again. I stay out of these little tiffs and when I come across OT subjects I'm not interested in, I scroll. Now with scrolling past those AND all the b*tching, my "scrolling finger" is sprained!

Why doesn't everyone go out, rake leaves, walk dog, have coffee on the porch, breath fresh air, wash rumspringa glasses; just take a break. People are beginning to sound like grumpy, bored old ladies picking everything to pieces.
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Same here Tweet-le. It gets petty sometimes. It's a blog for Christsake.
I look at it like a buffet...I don't have to put everything from the table on to my plate and I don't go back to the kitchen and slap the cook for making a the items I don't like.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...


On the Access Hollywood intervew she said when she runs with the kids she slows down and waits for them. When they catch up she runs away.

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Okay Mommy dearest. Geez.

dee3 said...

localyocul said... 138

"Would TLC be criminally liable for covering it up?"
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Exactly what I'd love to know. Maybe not criminally....but shouldn't they be held accountable in SOME way?

The recent situation at Penn State and now the Boy Scouts scandal....both seem to heavily focus on the cover-up aspect.
I'm really concerned that this Kate situation is not focused enough on that.
There are thousands of children abused every day in this country.
The story of Kate and what she did is really important....and I know we all want to see her feet held to the fire for it.

But for me....the much bigger story here is the TLC cover-up.
If the final chapter is that Kate goes down for this....she deserves it...but what will have been learned from it?
That's why...at least in my opinion.....the TLC cover-up HAS to be a HUGE part of the story.

Shouldn't TLC have to be held equally accountable to someone like Joe Paterno? Should they be allowed to skulk behind the scenes and sneak out the back door....free to keep doing their damage to other families?

Mystery location, odd silence..... said...

Twitter silence... maybe she's in a place where they take the phones away from you. As in a facility... or 'spa' where she might be 'taking the rest cure'.......

I am amazed that she hasn't twittered for so long. I too am wondering if she has been muzzled in some way or has had an ultimate meltdown.

Whoever is taking care of her must be ready to pull their hair out. Or perhaps, she's currently medicated so heavily the most she can do is make it into a bathroom on her own. Nah, she'd still be bitching about the toilet paper.

Poor caregivers.......

Dwindle said...

Formerly Duped said... 140
Dwindle: That's right. IIRC, those cribs did not have those Fisher Price Learning Centers, cloth books or other toys to occupy the kids
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<------------- I always knew the minute mine were awake because I heard the ding ding ding of the Fisher Price Busy Box. Thank you for that wonderful memory! I also recall sneaking into the 'nursery' before I went to bed at night and laying a pile of sensory stim toys in the crib corner to be played with at the crack of dawn so i could take a little extra time getting in there in the morning. It is also VERY good for them, to have uninterrupted time alone with a cloth book or some kind gizmo to work out a little problem at their own pace till they master it.

At some point Kate journals about Leah losing weight and losing patches of hair - I wonder if she was assessed for failure to thrive? locked in a cage with no sensory stim will do that. Mother of the year, my ass.

dee3 said...

Sorry....worded that wrong (mangled the sentence).

Should have written something more like:

Shouldn't TLC be held as equally accountable in the Gosselin abuse story as Joe Paterno was in the Penn State story?

localyocul said...

Did my post get deleted for some reason"

I wrote a post about the clips in the Gosselin Go Dutch episodes where it appears that Kate slaps Leah's hands (start at 15:05) and that she had grabbed Mady by the arm and thrown her in the stroller (19:19). Don't have time to repost my thoughts. Here is the clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I_4OVy7JaA

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

One of Sandusky's victims, "Victim number 1", gave an interview on 20/20 yesterday. Brave young man who endured absolute horrors with that pervert. A must see that should be available on abc.com shortly for streaming.

I think a common misconception about this scandal the media has perpetrated since day one is that "no one reported it." That's simply not true. There was by my calculations now dozens upon dozens of people who either reported it or were somehow involved with what to do about it.

This really is a must see if you think because nothing was done about the Gosselin kids, no one tried. It will explain why we cannot make the assumption that "no one did anything" for the Gosselin kids. People did so much for this kid to try to help him but no one would.

He told his PRINCIPAL, who told him to go home. It continues to astound how many people did know about it. Police, prosecutors, CPS, therapists from CPS, and grand juries were all involved from day one. It makes subsequent lack of action seem a little more understandable given that they had already been through the ringer with everyone who is charged with protecting children and NOTHING came of it. How many times can you report things and be shut down before you give up? I guess never when it comes to a child being abused, but man, it was not easy to try to help these victims.

Oh and Kate? Bad timing to be outed as a child abuser. Very bad timing.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Another food for thought. If PA would do nothing about a bunch of boys being molested, why on earth would they do anything about a bunch of little kids being beaten?

dee3 said...

@localyocul~

It's up there......localyocul said... 138

Terrible....it's amazing she didn't dislocate a few tiny joints.
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Ah yes....the busy box. Do they still have them or do they have even better ones now? I remember hearing that ding-ding....and also hearing them babbling to themselves in the little mirror.

Once my sons figured out how to pile up their stuffed animals, climb on top and climb over the crib rail.....they went into junior beds.
I was too worried about major head injuries to let them stay in the crib....even with the rail down, I wanted them closer to the floor.

In fact, IIRC, after a few months, they would just curl up on the sofa and take their naps with their "blankies", etc.....and I didn't even put them in their rooms for naps.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

TLC isn't a mandatory reporter, or are they?

§ 42.42. Suspected child abuse—mandated reporting requirements.

" (a) General rule. Under 23 Pa.C.S. § 6311 (relating to persons required to report suspected child abuse), licensees who, in the course of the employment, occupation or practice of their profession, come into contact with children shall report or cause a report to be made to the Department of Public Welfare when they have reasonable cause to suspect on the basis of their professional or other training or experience, that a child coming before them in their professional or official capacity is a victim of child abuse."

They come into contact with children in the course of their profession, do they not? Maybe they really are concerned about this and have their lawyers on it.

Experts have always said that even if Joe Paterno lived they could never charge him, because he wasn't a mandatory reporter because his profession was dealing with adults, although young adults, 18-22 or so.

Sometimes it really annoys me that for instance, Victim Number 1's principal isn't in handcuffs right now. Why? She WAS without a doubt a mandatory reporter, and she didn't report when she first found out and sent the kid home! Sometimes this is a bit of a witch hunt to get the public figures in this for appearances, and they're overlooking people like her who actually, without a doubt, broke the law. Unbelievable.

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

AuntieAnn said...Same here Tweet-le. It gets petty sometimes. It's a blog for Christsake.
I look at it like a buffet...I don't have to put everything from the table on to my plate and I don't go back to the kitchen and slap the cook for making a the items I don't like.
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Well said. :) And speaking of plates, I'm starving. Breakfast!!

localyocul said...

Thanks Dee I searched for my name and that post did not come up.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...


It's not an either-or situation, chefsummer. Readers can be wholly invested in the purpose of the blog, and still have strong feelings about the directions it sometimes takes. I'd be willing to bet that's more often the case than not.

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For me, it kind of is an either or. While I understand and appreciate the investment people have in the blog and the direction it could take, rule number 4 is here for a reason and even applies to this blog. Constant conversation about the blog itself is generally unproductive and derailing. Since the beginning of blogs on the internet, the good ones usually forbid this discussion.

It's not because blog owners don't want to hear opinions or don't want people to have a say. It's because that it usually proves derailing and disruptive to have this conversation. It's impossible to have it without that. We see it here all the time. It's never all that productive and almost always derailing.

There is a simple alternative to let me know your thoughts about blog direction. Email me.

canadianmom said...

I have this very strong feeling that when Kate does surface from wherever she has been (MY guess is that she's been huddled in a corner of her bedroom, rocking back and forth muttering to herself and pulling her extensions out one by one) that Kate and Steve will either go public with their relationship, OR (and more likely) he will be completely GONE from her life.


Re her abandoned twitter account- At first it was pretty amusing watching her twitter sheep twisting in the wind waiting for their queen... but now it's really sad, I feel sorry for the families of these people (kids and husbands), you've got to wonder how some of these people can even function in society. It just goes to show you that there are A LOT of UNTREATED mentally ill people out there. Not trying to be nasty it's just what crosses my mind the odd time that I visit her twitter.

LancasterCountyMom said...

chefsummer said... 148
"I don't get why Jon & Kate got embarrassed cause the kids were crying.

I mean their kids that's what kids do."


Because this is Lancaster County, and if your kids don't behave like good little baby ducks in a row behind their mother you are looked down on.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...


We're not haters, those of us who sometimes choose to post as Anonymous.

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Step one, you need to respect the rules and pick a name. It's a rule not a choice.

Even if you want to change your name for a post, fine, but pick something.

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

Anonymous 160...Google it and find a support group. They'll have information, help and compassion. Do it now!!

Jane said...

Mystery location, odd silence..... said... 154
Twitter silence... maybe she's in a place where they take the phones away from you. As in a facility... or 'spa' where she might be 'taking the rest cure'.......

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Her BFF Deanna is also Twitter silent. I looked back on her timeline for 6 weeks or so and Deanna, who doesn't tweet nearly as much as Kate and who tweets with both Kate fans and her own friends, has never been this quiet either.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...


gabby2 said... 112
"TLC used to be one of my favorite channels....that O'Neill person has destroyed it.

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Agree. Remember when they used to buy really interesting documentaries, often made in Great Britain? About interesting people. They had one that was really sensitively made about a young man who had a condition where his skin shed easily and caused sores. It was tastefully done and informative. They would show other ones about a paralyzed first time mother, as I recall.

It really WAS the learning channel and I'd be comfortable with kids watching it. Now it's just trashy reality TV.

AuntieAnn said...

dee3 said... 153

localyocul said... 138

"Would TLC be criminally liable for covering it up?"
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Exactly what I'd love to know. Maybe not criminally....but shouldn't they be held accountable in SOME way?
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TLC seems to have made sure there is no morals clause in their contracts. The worse the behavior of their stars, the better.

LoveMyGrandsons said...

Oh, Anon 160, I am so sorry to hear of your cancer. I don't know what to say except that I will lift you up in prayers.

Please talk to someone about the depression you are feeling, find out if there is a support group for women that are dealing with this as well.

Please follow your doctor's suggestions, or get a second or third opinion to feel more comfortable before making a decision about surgery.

Surround yourself with your loving family and friends. I wish you peace and strength and love. You will be in my prayers.

Love, Grandsons

localyocul said...

Could she be filming in Australia? I mean if she's going to film a dating show and get men within ten feet of her she'd have to go out of the country, right?

dee3 said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 159

Another food for thought. If PA would do nothing about a bunch of boys being molested, why on earth would they do anything about a bunch of little kids being beaten?
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There is a huge correlation between the Penn State Story and the Gosselin abuse story, isn't there?
And yes, the timing issue is uncanny too.

And wouldn't TLC's role be even worse because of all the confidentiality agreements? The threats to sue anyone who revealed the abuse, including Jon? To not only cover-up but to threaten others so they had to do it too?

What makes these sorts of situations finally break? And at what point would governmental authorities become involved?

What might the scenario turn out to be with the Gosselin situation? Would continued pressure and bad press put pressure on the authorities to look into it?
At what point might they be able to over-power the wealth, influence and power of TLC/Discovery?

The common thread here seems to be how these cover-ups of horrible abuse happen when there is some huge, powerful entity involved and nobody wants to touch the situation (ie: Penn State, BSA/Boy Scouts/TLC/Discovery).

If it was just some random child who went to the guidance counselor and reported sexual abuse at home, for instance, the guidance counselor would normally act on this, right?

BUT....if there is an entity involved that has a huge amount of power, wealth and influence........then the whole thing is covered up for years...if not forever. To me, THAT's the story.......and this Gosselin cover-up, IMO, is very similar to the ones that happened with Penn State and now this BSA scandal.

gabby2 said...

In that video at about 19:19 you can see where kate did something to Mady hurting her under her arm....mady cried
"you hurt me"...all she was doing was sitting in her chair. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I_4OVy7JaA

Recently kate said that they use to discipline the kids the same but no anymore. But in the of the older seasons I remember kate complaining that she believe in strict discipline but Jon was raised differently and let the kids do want they wanted....so I see they never disciplined the same. I am sure with her controlling ways she wanted Jon to hurt them more.

LancasterCountyMom said...

Anonymous regular poster,
saw your post which I now can't find. Will pray for you! {{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...


Her BFF Deanna is also Twitter silent. I looked back on her timeline for 6 weeks or so and Deanna, who doesn't tweet nearly as much as Kate and who tweets with both Kate fans and her own friends, has never been this quiet either.

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Makes me wonder more if she IS filming.

She might go out of the country for it, that's a thought. Her phone wouldn't necessarily work out of the country.

Assuming she is filming and not in a straight jacket somewhere, is there any doubt in her tweeties' minds that she really doesn't give a crap about them? Something better came along, tweeties. Sorry.

butterfly said...

I think Kate's twitter silence is self-imposed. You know how she ignores anything negative...so I think she is simply ignoring- by abstinence. What better way to avoid all the negativity? Now she doesnt have to hear/see/read anything about her abusing her children. And being fired. And RH's book being re-released. And all else that is going on. When it rains, it pours, right, Kate?

Auntieann 151- you made me crackup with comment about slapping the cook! I have no idea why, but I really got a chuckle from that visual :D

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...


What makes these sorts of situations finally break? And at what point would governmental authorities become involved?

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They need a lot of victims coming forward, a lot of evidence, and a lot of public outrage. They don't bother with cases they can't win. This is really what the prosecutor said on 20/20. Poor Chris Cuomo was so frustrated, he almost seemed like he was a poster here, lol. He was literally throwing up his hands like, you have a boy saying he was raped hundreds of times, ARREST THE PERP WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU!

White Organza said...

Lol... Franky's weird (but somewhat "creative") android phone struck again. To Readerlady (87) and Bluebird (89): the expression was supposed to read "bouche bée" (pronounced "bay") and not "bouche bec".., which doesn't mean anything in french.

More seriously. Some of us here have been feeling a sense of dread for quite a few days now. It's my turn. I don't like Kate's eery silence. So I'm going to follow Tweet-le's advice to the letter and have coffe on my veranda, go outside, rake some leaves, look at real life for awhile. And have a little prayer for all the kids in the world who are not loved and cherished as they should. ..

HistoryBarf said...

Harrisburg Native said... 7
You've seen me here only a few times...been reading for YEARS though. As of this year I'm living across the pond in England with my husband where luckily there is no mention of K8 in the media. I have heard several accounts throughout the years of people who have dealt with K8 in the Harrisburg area. No good stories, trust me.

The kids lived it, yes. Reading their mother's words in addition to the living nightmare...is so sad.
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Nice to meet you!! My English hubby is living across the pond with me here in Tennessee!!!

LancasterCountyMom said...

"Recently kate said that they use to discipline the kids the same but no anymore. But in the of the older seasons I remember kate complaining that she believe in strict discipline but Jon was raised differently and let the kids do want they wanted....so I see they never disciplined the same. I am sure with her controlling ways she wanted Jon to hurt them more."

Jon would get down on their eye level and talk to them till they calmed down when he had time. Kate didn't seem to have the patience to do this & wanted instant compliance.

localyocul said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 179

Poor Chris Cuomo was so frustrated, he almost seemed like he was a poster here, lol.

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I love the part where the Principal runs away from him and he goes "Why are you moving so fast now when you moved so slowly when this boy came to you?" or something like that

dee3 said...

LancasterCountyMom said... 176
Anonymous regular poster,
saw your post which I now can't find. Will pray for you! {{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}
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I'll just keep this short because it's too OT. But for ANYONE who develops a medical problem that they need help and support with....especially a condition that is not common:

Go to google and type-in the medical condition and then type in "message boards" or "forums" and you will be able to find a selection of forums/groups where you will be able to interact with others who are experiencing the same situation/condition. Many even have doctors and other medical professionals on-board there.

The REALLY good info, help and advice comes from others who are actually experiencing and living through it themselves. Every medical book has the standard explanation for various medical conditions.....but there are a million different variations and exceptions.....and the best place to find out about them is on a message/board forum with others going through the same thing.

And I add my {{hugs}} for you also....please find a message board/forum for this. You will find it immensely helpful and comforting.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...


I love the part where the Principal runs away from him and he goes "Why are you moving so fast now when you moved so slowly when this boy came to you?" or something like that

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LOL yeah that was great. It's about time these people got called out.

Not only is that principal not in handcuffs where she should be, but she's STILL PRINCIPAL. WTF???? Not even an "administrative leave" BS? Not even that?

Jane said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 177

Makes me wonder more if she IS filming.

She might go out of the country for it, that's a thought. Her phone wouldn't necessarily work out of the country.

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I was just thinking that! I haven't traveled overseas and tried to tweet but I assume there are all kinds of roaming charges, etc. Not that that would stop her...

Audible Click said...

I've been able to read since before Kindergarten (66 years old now). Normally I'm able to read very fast but with Robert's book I struggled to read more than a few pages at a sitting. Nope, it wasn't due to the formatting which, for me, made the book all the more raw and hard hitting; it was seeing those eight little faces as I read, it haunted me, and still does. I will never feel sorry for Kate no matter what happens to her. She was gifted with beautiful children to love and nurture. She held their lives in the palm of her hand and all she could do was make a fist. I hope there is a special place in Hell for her. For all the Grandmothers out there I have seven grandchildren and I thank God their parents have raised them in loving, stable, homes.

Actually, She Is said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 146

Asberger's was thrown out there at one point, although I think pretty much ruled out by those who have a lot of experience with it. But aren't they also very sensitive to any subtle changed in their environment?

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Yes, also to noise and confusion. I'm certain Kate is HFA (High-Functioning Autistic) (or, if you prefer, has Asperger's) plus a Narcissistic disorder.

I am Autistic, too, and have a personality just like Kate's. The BIG difference is that I've always known that I didn't want to ACT on my natural impulses, so I have always fought hard to behave in ways that didn't showcase my inner interpretations of the world.

It hasn't been easy, and I've failed a lot. But I have never BEATEN BABIES, and I've successfully kept myself out of situations where I might have hurt others as a result of the way my brain works.

I don't mean that all people with Autism have uncontrolled rage, but the stress of trying to function in a neuro-typical world is overwhelming for people with Autism. One CAN learn ways of coping, though, IF one cares about it.

It's extremely difficult for an Autistic brain to cope with the kind of stress Kate invited when intentionally set out to have multiples. The results, as we've seen, aren't pretty.

(By the way, Autistics are extremely good at pursuing, and completing, single-focus tasks. Once set on a task, Autistic focus is very useful for follow-through and completion, even over months. Kind of like what we now know Kate did to make those babies. She had a plan - her own defined task - and she followed it, come hell or high water.)

The big difference between Kate and me is that I didn't want to be a first-class bitch, so I work hard not to be. It's a rule for life that I adopted. I had an NPD mother, and I didn't think her behavior was acceptable, and didn't want to go down that path.

Kate's only rules for life are "mine, all mine" and "gimmme, gimme, gimme". Her Autism makes her oblivious to the reactions of others, and her Narcissism, combined with Autistic rigidity, lets her consider her own interpretations as the only "true" ones. She lives, quite literally, in her own world.

I didn't get my formal diagnosis until I was well into adulthood. It was SO much easier to work on my issues once I really understood why my brain was different, but it's still a struggle every day.

I have Autistic family members who think that they are just fine, and the rest of the world should change. It's a nice theory, but it doesn't work in real life. Their lives would be a lot better if they were willing to work with, not against, their Autistic traits.

It's not too late for Kate, either, except that she, like my relatives, just doesn't care. The world needs to make way for her; in her own mind, she has no obligation to meet it halfway.

I function a lot better because I've been willing to grapple with these issues. (I'm lucky,too, that the same family members who passed on the Autism to me also passed on higher-than-average intelligence and a tradition of hard work.)

You can't convince people who are certain that they aren't the problem to work on fixing themselves. A defining feature of Autism is black and white thinking: you're with me or against me, no shades of gray. I'm right, you're wrong, no in-between.

Autistics have no natural empathy -- not because Autistics are mean people, but because that's not where an Autistic brain goes first. Empathy is a "shades of gray" reaction, not a "black or white" reaction.

The reason Kate's behavior is so inexplicable to regular people is because she isn't any kind of "regular people".

"Regular people" have neuro-typical brains, and neuro-typical reactions; Autistic people function completely differently.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Sometimes your phone won't even work at all and yes there are all kinds of roaming charges for using the internet depending on the country.

But if there is wireless she can hop on for free like anywhere else. It's just a question of would she bother.

LancasterCountyMom said...

#184

GOOD idea, dee!! I tend to google message boards when I or someone in my life is having a particular problem because you will find a lot of info that even professionals don't know.
I also think the suggestion someone else made about getting a 2nd opinion is excellent.

Dwindle said...

dee3 said... 128

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Well said!!

I especially like your reference to coming and forth to one's computer during the day. At times when the blog is slower, I can come back after 2 hours and there is only 2 or 3 comments. If I post again it looks like I am just sitting on the blog, but the posting time tells the truth.

And the opposite is true. I can 'sit' on the blog for a solid hour, but the 100 posts in that busy time are not all replying to the same thing. I too will reply to something posted yesterday or whatever. I think that is offputting to some folks who like things in 1,2,3 or a,b,c linear order.

gabby2 said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2ZQD2R_EMU&feature=endscreen

Why at 1:46 is a strange man dressing one of the boys....while kate just stands there??

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Go Posh Go we had to delete your post, however I want you to know you are a poster who has never caused problems and that you are confusing the definition of a driveby.

A respectful, though infrequent poster who follows the rules is NOT a drive by. That person pulls up into their designated parking spot (the infrequent but much loved poster spots), gets out with a smile, says hello, then gets back in and drives away at a reasonable speed.

Drivebys cruise by, roll down the window, shout something inflammatory, then speed away. Big difference!

dee3 said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 179

What makes these sorts of situations finally break? And at what point would governmental authorities become involved?

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They need a lot of victims coming forward, a lot of evidence, and a lot of public outrage. They don't bother with cases they can't win. This is really what the prosecutor said on 20/20. Poor Chris Cuomo was so frustrated, he almost seemed like he was a poster here, lol. He was literally throwing up his hands like, you have a boy saying he was raped hundreds of times, ARREST THE PERP WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU!
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Thank you for this. :)

My assumption (unless something far more egregious was revealed) is that there will never be anything criminally related to Kate's abuse.
The most likely scenario is that she will become somewhat of a pariah....particularly in light of the bad timing issue (boy, perfect time for Robert to get his book back out there).

Is there ANYTHING that could happen to TLC/Discovery in terms of their role in the Gosselin abuse cover-up?

Or will they probably just skate and get a pass?

I need to go watch the 20/20 interview and also update myself on this BSA situation.

Actually, She Is said...

Whoops, I should have said (188) that I have a personality just like Kate's, but without the NPD.

BKind2animals1 said...

If some of you are worried about Kate, remember her saying this while pointing her finger, and I quote here) " I'm ALWAYS 3 steps ahead of you, you and you".
It's all part of her plan. Sympathy.
HI ID

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

It looks like 20/20 has the full Victim 1 interview up, though it appears to be in two or more parts.

http://abcnews.go.com/2020

Jane said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 189
Sometimes your phone won't even work at all and yes there are all kinds of roaming charges for using the internet depending on the country.

But if there is wireless she can hop on for free like anywhere else. It's just a question of would she bother.
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Nah, she wouldn't bother. Especially if she's being a star, having Deanna apply makeup and do hair and having fun with Steve. And is away from the children. It all fits. On the other hand, she could be in rehab and Deanna knows that even if she innocently tweets to a friend, she'll be besieged by Milo and her buddies.

Dwindle said...

Actually, She Is said... 188

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What a wonderful insight you have shared. I am a little overwhelmed at your willingness to share something so personal, and your ability to to be aware of yourself in a way that lots of people cannot be.

I feel pretty honored to have read your post.

Of course, only a team of qualified psychologists and psychiatrists can properly diagnose and treat Kate at this point. A psychologist to assess and treat the many personality disorders and behavioral disorders and a psychiatrist (and possibly a nuerologist) to diagnose and treat the organic disfunctions in her brain tissue.

But YOU have given us some nice insight into her public behaviors and how they coincide with your own way of managing. Thank you!

AuntieAnn said...

gabby2 said... 192

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2ZQD2R_EMU&feature=endscreen

Why at 1:46 is a strange man dressing one of the boys....while kate just stands there??
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That's Jon.

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