Before I was maybe pretty sure she blamed him for the gravy train coming to an end which is probably much more related to the kids not being babies anymore and just being .... ordinary, boring, typical kids.
But now, without a shadow of a doubt, the sole and only reason her show ended in her mind was Collin. And he will never, ever be able to repair that.
Jon had a response saying Kate hasn't seen Collin since 6th grade
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As far as we know that's absolutely accurate.
When someone pointed that out she didn't deny it, she said something like well I have my channels to know what's going on. Probably she makes Hannah tell her. Which is a super healthy role for Hannah to have!
She's so f-ing still obsessed and interested in what's going on with Jon. But tries to make it seem like oh she just heard through the grapevine in passing. Gimme a break.
Also Mady, this isn't about you. It's about Kate, who is perfectly able to speak up for herself. You don't need to defend your mother anymore. What's happening is all okay. ******* Why are you trying to silence Mady? It is no wonder that abuse victims don’t speak out.
(See how that works? Hypocrite.)
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Mady is trying to silence Collin. What don't you get about this? Collin is simply talking about his experiences, didn't even mention HER that I heard, and she is continually trying to bully him into shutting him down.
This really isn't a situation of they're both just sharing their stories which may differ. It's just not. One kid is sharing, the other is trying to bully him into shutting up including using tactics like disclosing deeply personal information about him to do so (did she ask HIS permission before she did that?). She is doing this because she is still so deeply entrenched with Kate because Kate ensured that would be the case. The end.
I’m unclear on when this trauma supposedly took place. Does she mean that he was inflicting trauma on her before he was sent away? Or more recently?
I feel like these stories simply don’t add up. Collin, Jon, and I believe Hannah have all stated that Collin hasn’t had any interaction with his other siblings. If that’s the case, how was he making her feel unsafe?
And where does Hannah stand on all of this? So she’s completely fine with having a relationship with a young man who threatens her family? She was willing to publicly speak out on behalf of someone who has inflicted trauma on her other siblings?
Nothing about this makes sense. I’m just so sorry for all of them that this is what has become of their family.
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It doesn't make sense because some parties are lying.
The most credible in all this is Collin. He speaks plainly and directly, admitting where he's struggled, proud of his triumphs, and giving the benefit of the doubt to his disgusting mother, the sweet young man that he is. There is no anger when he speaks suggesting bias or bitterness. The narrative is corroborated by his successes in graduating, ROTC, the military, a high school job.
Kate, who hasn't seen Collin in over a decade now, and has a history of lying, is not credible. Similar for Mady, whose views have been distorted by a deeply disturbed mother.
oung teenagers are often full of emotions but lack the adequate words to truly express them. It comes out as vitriol because that’s their vocabulary set. If I put myself in Colin’s shoes and I see myself harassed, scapegoated, targeted, singled out, isolated, and likely bullied (either low-key or overtly), and I was his age at the time, I’d almost certainly lash out with choice words and express opinions about what I think they can go do with themselves, he’s a child who saw many of his siblings side with his abuser. I’d be angry too. What I have see from the statements is it looks like Colin has done some hard work and made strides towards maturing and Mady has not.
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You know for all Kate's demands we walk a mile in her shoes, she sure has never tried to see this all like that, from a lens of EMPATHY.
There is even a comment on insta defending Kate saying put yourself in her shoes, and inexplicably bringing up what a martyr she is for doing bed rest lol, and Kate is totally like THIS.
So Kate wants us to put ourselves in her shoes (because I guess if you commit to doing a few months of bed rest that means you can be a vile mother for the next 20 years) but won't put herself in Collin's. Oh, irony.
Admin (#1), if TFW's gotten 4000 comments, she's probably got her French-tipped fingers crossed for an on-camera interview. Not sure if she's lost her poke-and-dab skills. But at this point, she'd have to be Meryl Streep to pretend she even remotely cared about her son. He shall remain forever kicked to the curb. Like she will do with any negative comments, she deleted him.
She absolutely showed her hand when the tups had their 12th birthday party -- the first one without Collin -- and she said it was their best one EVER. His fate was sealed: he was never coming home.
Collin seems very calm, composed, and matter-of-fact in his account. Kate, on the other hand, is engaging with skeptics on Instagram in a rather manic way, to the point of contradicting herself. (She asserted in her own statement that she isn’t involved in Collin’s life, but is somehow “in the loop” enough to know that he regularly abused Jon and Hannah, and that he was unable to live peacefully there.)
Go back into obscurity, Kate, and let Collin continue to heal from the years of trauma and pain you caused him.
I can't believe Mady basically wrote Collin off as hopeless
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I don't know if he does choose to read or watch all that is being said how he will feel but my god, I hope he has developed the self confidence to realize that these comments are deeply related to THEM and THEIR issues, not him. He is not hopeless. He is a sweet young man with a very, very bright future ahead.
It's shit like this that you see a young person react in a tragic self harming way. Like, maybe they should think about what they're saying about him for a hot second?
I will give you it seems like she hasn’t had direct contact in years, so yes she is speaking without direct knowledge, but I am pretty sure she has a closer connection to the situation than you do.
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Who is more credible, Kate or Collin, and why? The truth is sometimes in the middle and sometimes someone is just flat out lying in a self serving way.
Sounds like Colin thrived under Jon's tutelage, he went from incorrigible (suuure Kate) to ROTC completion & Marine Corp training. Bright kid too, smart enough to bamboozle the USMC psych evaluator. Good going Jon & Colin!
Miss "Purseful Of Bills" toured churches across the country, hat in hand, while she was pimping out her 8 kids to TLC and signing book deals. So excuse me if I have to take any of her comments with a boulder of salt.
Mady deleting some of her posts shows she has at least some introspection. That perhaps she's realizing on some level her comments were inappropriate, hurtful, instigating, unfair.
You have to think reading Kate's statement a piece of her knows that was wrong.
I use to read this blog daily for many years but haven't done so recently.
Kate is a disgusting Mother. Let's ASSUME that Collin did act violently many years ago. Kate had zero reason to lock him away in a behavioral institution for years without telling his father. And I think she only visited him two times. That is unspeakable on both counts.
Kate was violent and diagnosed with mental health issues. So that is rich what she is accusing Collin of.
I see in Collin a loving person, level headed, driven and with a lot of insight and reason. I truly wish him the best.
A mother NEVER gives up a child because he supposedly has mental health problems. That is horrible and it is 100 percent her fault. And shame on her for terribly belittling and bashing Collin on social media. Again she has now to date has not even bothered to see her child in numerous years.
Gee what a surprise Kate chose Mady to be her mouthpiece. We could have predicted that from her childhood.
Who is more credible, Kate or Collin, and why? The truth is sometimes in the middle and sometimes someone is just flat out lying in a self serving way. ***** I might actually answer this question if it were not for the fact that as per your usual, you did not post the entire comment. By doing that, you consistently show that you are disingenuous, manipulative, and not interested in an actual discussion.
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Answer the question. Comments that follow the rules get posted.
Kate doesn't seem even remotely aware of the kind of vigorous psychological testing Collin would have to go through to be admitted. Much of the testing is so sophisticated you can't just "lie" your way through it. She's such an idiot. Also, she acts like she's unhappy that he is so stable and happy now. What is wrong with her?!
If Colin was as angry and dangerous as she’s claiming, she only has herself to blame. My guess is he wanted her love and attention so bad, that even abuse is attention. He was never dangerous with Jon, Colleen or Hannah, so what’s that tell you? You can’t shut off mental illness. I think everyone pretty much called this when the kids were preteens, it’s just not healthy to have cameras in your face and your lives on tv for all to see. This was the outcome. I think she lied to the mental hospital, she had to get rid of him because he exploded from not wanting his life out there for all to see. Poor kid didn’t fall in line, he paid the price. Also, my sons best friend was a marine, you can’t lie through the entrance tests, she’s a freaking jackass!
Also, my sons best friend was a marine, you can’t lie through the entrance tests, she’s a freaking jackass!
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Right. These psychological tests are fascinating because they really can't be "tricked."
There are similar tests I've worked with at work that test for propensity to molest children, you can't lie your way out of being a molester either, it catches it.
Admin (#1), if TFW's gotten 4000 comments, she's probably got her French-tipped fingers crossed for an on-camera interview. Not sure if she's lost her poke-and-dab skills. But at this point, she'd have to be Meryl Streep to pretend she even remotely cared about her son. He shall remain forever kicked to the curb. Like she will do with any negative comments, she deleted him.
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Those nails are gonna fall off if she attempts to try to delete these ones, 3998 of those 4000 are negative. People really cannot believe she said that.
Can you imagine being Collin and your mother already loathes you but then you have one or more of your siblings on her "side" against you too?
I believe Mady that there probably were some times she was a target of him. She has to understand this kid felt like NO ONE was in his corner. How alone he must have felt, and with limited tools to deal with his intense emotions because his mother didn't care to help.
My son served in the Marines and there is no way Collin would have gotten in if he had mental heath issues. The test they put these guys through is unbelievable.
She disgust me with every fiber of my being. All I could think about today when I read some of her Instagram and this blog was the bear incident in Mexico. All that child wanted was acceptance from her.
I do hope she gets an interview but with someone who will call her out! Not preplanned questions either. I want to see her squirm.
I was going to ask, though it seems to have been answered by you ladies, thank you. How would it have been possible for this young man to have quote, unquote, lied his way into the Marines? I mean, come off it. Is she that serious? No, more like it she's that full of hate. How sad.
I also wasn't quite aware it was possible to doctor shop to get multiple diagnosis for, what a 12 year old child at the time, yet also later have no diagnosis when he is checked out? What's the catch in that? Wouldn't his paperwork have followed him form said emergency room, or from that pediatric doctor to emergency room, to all those institutions and such with those multiple diagnosis's? Not that I want her spill her guts what they are but it seems highly unlikely that's all. It just it it smells fishy, it is.
This was a trainwreck if you fill all the time, no rest stick a camera in anyone's face like that we'd all probably crack! It's not normal it's weird. She never once thought of any repercussions, no nothing. Just $$$$$.
It seemed Mady would be the rebellious one, but that's not what happened. She's still young and doesn't see she's being used by her mother. She thinks she's so smart but has a lot to learn.
I read Cara is now an analyst for a bank in NYC. She graduated college. This is from LinkedIn. As soon as she could, she made a life for herself on her terms.
No, she doesn’t have to “understand” that. There are stories that Kate was abused as a child. Maybe she modeled what she learned in her childhood with Collin. Does he “have to understand” that?
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Since Collin has never said anything negative about Mady publicly, I'm not sure what your comparison is supposed to mean.
I think he probably does understand exactly that, which is why he's very tempered and respectful about his siblings.
No abused child gets a pass to abuse their own kids, so I'm not sure what on earth that comment is supposed to mean either. It is every abused person's responsibility to break the cycle if they make the CHOICE to have children.
I am almost 100% positive Kate is lying through omission. Words like violent or attacked and use of a weapon can be twisted to mean literally anything. A pencil can be a weapon. If I throw a toilet paper roll at you in anger, it is technically being violent and using a weapon. The toilet paper roll will most likely not cause an injury, but it is the perception of the action that matters for Kate.
I think she is lying because she is a person who monetized potty training. She allowed uncomfortable and private moments to be on view to the entire world for money. TLC has an entire industry for their 'very special episodes.' Can you imagine the ratings draw an episode about institutionalizing Collin would create if it was legitimate and justifiable? They could have milked that train for at least an entire season with all the children talking about "the situation" with Kate spinning the narrative as she liked with him away for his own protection. That would have been a money train that spewed money. She would have been able to hit the talk show circuit and monetized the struggles of parenting an out of control child while managing the needs of the others. However, all that is posited on the fact Collin would need to be there and no reasonable specialist would challenge it. That should have been somewhat attainable since she had custody.
However, that is not what happened at all. He became a ghost and she went radio silent. Her own actions provide the most damning evidence that substantiate Collin's claims.
It is not giving up on a child to make sure they are in the best place for their own safety and psychiatric needs. Kate, on the other hand, basically shipped the poor kid off like a broken toy and chose to ignore, avoid, and trash talk about him. Again, her own actions are the damning evidence here for her intentions.
Kate's mantra has always been that no one who wasn't physically there has NO IDEA what goes on in her life and therefore has no right to have any opinion or even comment (unless they agree with her, of course). So how ironic (and infuriating) that even though she is not physically present in Collin's life, and hasn't been for many years, she knows exactly what his life is like. I've never seen a mother show such utter, blatant, and public contempt for the son who only craved her love.
Can you imagine being Collin and your mother already loathes you but then you have one or more of your siblings on her "side" against you too? I think he's used to it & has put the work to move past it, that's why his comments about his experience are a lot more balanced & loving than Kate & Mady's which read vitriolic & defensive. He'll make a fine Marine.
Ugh, just when you think Kate couldn't be more repulsive, she goes an proves that there's no depths she won't sink to. I guarantee she and Mady are hoping all this attention will somehow get them back on TV. After all, TLC rewarded their bad behavior for years. Mady is just like Kate and she'd much rather sit in front of a camera than get a real job. She just finished college, didn't she? Shouldn't she be either looking for a job or working now? It's not a good look for a professional person to get involved in an online b!tch-fest. But somehow I don't think working a real job is what she really wants. I'm willing to bet that Kate hates working a mediocre job for a mediocre paycheck. And Mady would hate it too. They were so happy to prance around in front of a camera for $40K an episode. Their weekly pay must seem pretty pathetic after that. Too bad, welcome to the real world, ladies! As Kate has said so often, they can't go back. Let's all remember that Collin was only 11 when he was sent away, so anything Mady is talking about happened when he was still a child. We've seen lots of filmed interactions where she was violent toward her siblings when she was a child, so does she think it was okay for her to hit at that age but not for Collin to do the same thing? Quite the hypocrite, isn't she?
I found it interesting that in one of Kate’s many replies to her statement she specifically said the other kids “approved her statement
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Lol she suuuuchh an asshole!
Did Collin get a chance to approve it too? It really is us versus Collin for her, which is exaclty what he said a few months back. All she does is just cooroborate what he said.
Layla she apparently removed them and for that I actually give her credit. At least someone is seeing this went too far and put a stop to it. That is the right thing to do and shows she’s by no means totally without empathy. Something struck her as wrong about all this and she took steps to correct it.
Admin, I think Mady's motives are completely self-serving. I don't think she has the capacity to realize that what she said was wrong. I think she didn't want to deal with the backlash. She was paid by Amazon to promote them, and now all her Amazon posts are gone. Same with some other posts promoting products. Why would she remove those--a source of income--as well as the post about Collin? I looked at Kate's IG and people are making comments on many of her posts, not just the latest one. It was probably the same thing on Mady's account. Otherwise, why remove all of them, but not put her account on private? I'm wondering if Amazon and the other places she was promoting either reprimanded her or cut ties with her. If so, then she deserved it. She needs to know that there are repercussions for her actions. Goodness knows her mother never would have bothered to teach her that.
Who would interview Kate anyway these days without asking her perhaps for evidence? No directly but, I suppose my thought is y'know who in their right mind would not ask, well, which treatment, what diagnosis? It just how on earth if she's hoping for an interview or anyone to side with her not ever be expected to be hounded with certain questions by other people to ask things that she can't support?
Didn't TFW hem and haw from jump about Collin's diagnosis? Something about it being "fluid," or a vague term like that?
Now one might say maybe she was protecting her child and respecting his privacy by not being too specific. But this is the same woman who let a camera crew film the poor boy with his pants around his ankles during potty training. He had no right to privacy. He was a commodity to her.
Remember she wrote in the book of letters to her children that he was "hard to love?" Putting those words in print for the world to see? Bless his heart for having the strength and courage to try to make a better life for himself.
These are Kate's comments from 2016 which frankly seem so kind now:
Collin has special needs," Kate tells the magazine. "[There's a fairly fluid diagnosis of what those needs are, but he needs to learn certain strategies to help him deal with things. This has been a struggle we've had for a very long time, and it's one I've dealt with on my own. I've felt very alone in this."
And then the bitch says Collin leaving wasn't that bad because, like, he was already practically doing his own thing anyway. God she's the worst:
Over the past year or so, Collin had such a different schedule—different schooling, different therapies, his own room—that his leaving wasn't like one day he was sharing a room and on the bus with them and then suddenly he wasn't,
I found it interesting that in one of Kate’s many replies to her statement she specifically said the other kids “approved her statement.”
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Thinking about this insane comment again, how incredibly manipulative is it to put your kids in a position where they have to approve or disapprove of disparaging comments made about their own brother? They're in a catch 22, if they disapprove they risk angering Kate or making her feel like they don't support her, if they approve they're a willing participant in disparaging their brother in a very public way. I feel really bad for them in all this, the ones who have not said anything and are just trying to be healthy young adults.
I am almost 100% positive Kate is lying through omission. Words like violent or attacked and use of a weapon can be twisted to mean literally anything. A pencil can be a weapon. If I throw a toilet paper roll at you in anger, it is technically being violent and using a weapon. The toilet paper roll will most likely not cause an injury, but it is the perception of the action that matters for Kate.
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Exactly. Unless she is willing to tell us details she leaves it open for the worst possible interpretation when it could be something minor.
And frankly it doesn't matter what exactly happened, not only was he was ELEVEN, but he was made to live out his mental health struggles on national TV and had a shit mother and was going through a divorce, and, has since put in the hard, hard work to address his mental health issues and build a healthy life for himself.
HE has put in the work to improve. Kate not only refuses to acknowledge she needs to do the same, but is getting worse.
I read Cara is now an analyst for a bank in NYC. She graduated college. This is from LinkedIn. As soon as she could, she made a life for herself on her terms.
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The best thing a kid like her could do is just move away. Move far away and get out of the drama while you live your life.
How would it have been possible for this young man to have quote, unquote, lied his way into the Marines? I mean, come off it. Is she that serious? No, more like it she's that full of hate. How sad.
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It's not possible and the fact that she thinks the military could be fooled to admit someone based on a few lies is frankly insulting to our military and their rigorous admissions process.
I haven't posted in a long time, and just herd about this story.Admin (5) Can we honestly make a drinking game over how many times the Kate defenders go to excuse is"Put yourself in her shoes"?Yeah, i remember my mother filming my entire childhood, and discussing private issues about me on public T.V.As for Mady's comments, i was worried that my prediction that there would be a divide between the gosselin kids would come true, and here we are.I hope the approval of the other 4 siblings isn't true and it's just Kate pulling an appeal to majority."See!Most of Collin's siblings agree with me that he's violent so Collin is wrong."
I was lurking on Reddit, someone who knows Collin and mentored him posted a response to Kates social media blaming his behavior. It’s great! Totally makes her look like the lying loser she is! Her fantasy of being the best mom is falling apart and I’m here for it!
Some enterprising Redditors have started to retrieve clips of Mady acting badly. And watching her antics---and brutality---towards her sibling toddlers at the age of 6 and up is quite something again. Certainly Collin was never seen acting this viciously on camera. And this is only what the cameras caught. . . . Does she really want to have this argument over her younger brother's behavior? No wonder she wiped her IG clean.
Oh, I forgot TFW's whole woe-is-me-I'm-all-alone nonsense. Collin had a living, breathing, father who could have helped share the challenges. Jon was past his skirt-chasing, Ed Hardy phase and was willing and able to co-parent with her. But she was benefiting from the overwhelmed single mother narrative so she chose to stick to it. And even announced gleefully that Collin's father didn't even know where he was.
Some enterprising Redditors have started to retrieve clips of Mady acting badly. And watching her antics---and brutality---towards her sibling toddlers at the age of 6 and up is quite something again. Certainly Collin was never seen acting this viciously on camera. And this is only what the cameras caught. . . . Does she really want to have this argument over her younger brother's behavior? No wonder she wiped her IG clean.
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She really doesn’t want to go there. It’s sad she can’t see how they’re all in the same boat here with filming and their home life affecting them all. Just different sides of the coin.
I remember a recent 60 minutes episode where Native Americans abused in boarding schools discusses how other kids abused them. And Anderson Cooper emphasized up front, the perps were abused themselves before they then acted out. Right.
Some enterprising Redditors have started to retrieve clips of Mady acting badly. And watching her antics---and brutality---towards her sibling toddlers at the age of 6 and up is quite something again.
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Do you have a link for that thread? I’d like to follow it
Anna said... 44 Mady's comments were in her stories which disappear after 24 hours ************ ALL of her posts are gone. She can dish it out but she can't take it. I had to go to Reddit to see what was being said, and apparently Cara is working as an analyst at Bank of America in NYC. Good for her! She's smart enough--and mature enough--to stay out of this mess. Mady's Linkedin says she majored in English Textual Studies, Film and Screen Studies and that she works for Bubble (also in NYC), which seems to be a skin care line. She apparently manages "community conversations" on Bubble's social media accounts. Hmmm, we may have figured out why she scrubbed her IG. Wouldn't look good for someone whose job involves managing a brand's social media accounts to set herself up for so much online backlash. Maybe it's just me, but I wouldn't trust Mady to manage social media conversations. She doesn't seem to have the maturity or the judgment for such a thing.
After my car accident, it was kind of eye opening. It almost took my life so it was kind of that now-or-never type of thing," Gosselin said, adding that he wanted to share his perspective after years of his parents and others speaking on his behalf.
Localyocul: Sorry, shouldve cc'd the link when it was up. Not a big deal, if you search Mady Gosselin Behaving Badly, all kinds of stuff comes up. Thanks, Mommy Dearest, your legacy will live on, forever and ever.
Localyocul, sorry, it looks like it's already been taken down as a topic. But I'm sure if you search J&K+8 for Mady Gosselin, you'll find plenty of examples of her hateful behavior. No way it's all been scrubbed from the internet. Sorry, Mady, very unfortunate you've got such a BIG mouth and a short memory: You were a BEAST towards your younger siblings, and most of it is still available online. You reap what you sow. THINK before you speak.
Oh, I forgot TFW's whole woe-is-me-I'm-all-alone nonsense. Collin had a living, breathing, father who could have helped share the challenges. Jon was past his skirt-chasing, Ed Hardy phase and was willing and able to co-parent with her. But she was benefiting from the overwhelmed single mother narrative so she chose to stick to it. And even announced gleefully that Collin's father didn't even know where he was.
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And that's it. She perceived single motherhood as more beneficial to her so Jon wasn't allowed in even when the family was deeply in crisis.
To not even try to see if his father could help and resort to an institution instead is nothing short of sick.
Admin (#64), I've said this a thousand times: she hates Jon more than she loves her kids. The other 7 left home were surely suffering -- each in his or her own way -- when their brother was removed from their home. Were Aaden and Joel able to talk about losing their "man cave" buddy, or did they have to pretend he'd never existed? And what scars will they bear into adulthood from that awful time?
After reading the Reddit comments, I see that Kate still has a few of her minions out there, trying desperately to defend her. They're claiming that Collin may have SA'd his sisters and that he used weapons against his family. I don't believe any of that. Why? Because of Hannah. From the moment she went to live with Jon, she has been actively involved in Collin's life. She was pictured going with Jon to visit him at the facility, she was there on outings with him while they were preparing him to transition back home. And she has had his back every step of the way ever since. Hannah was always the most mature of the 6. She would never have gone along with any of that if she felt she was in any danger. Hannah is also the only one of the kids, other than Collin himself, who is not in some way controlled by Kate. Even though M&C are adults now, Kate still controls their trust funds (or whatever remains of them). Those are revocable trusts too, so Mommy Dearest can still take them away at any time. But she can't take Hannah's. She can make Mady/Kate Jr. toe the line, but she can't make Hannah. One more thing, but if the doctors treating Collin believed that he was violent or might SA his sister, would they have allowed him to go live with her? Not likely! Mady hasn't seen Collin since he was 11. That's 8 years. Kate saw him 3 times, apparently for about 15 minutes each time (and saw him--but didn't interact with him--at his graduation) in the past 8 years. Who do they think they are making such claims about him now? They have no idea who he is now.
As they say you miss all the shots you don’t take. She wouldn’t even let Jon take a shot at this sad situation and turns out when he did take the shots later in Collin’s life, he thrived.
I truly do not understand why people think it is so hard to believe that Collin has mental health issues.
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I think it was a combination of Collin having mental health issues and Kate both not helping and making it worse and now saying vile things about it. So it’s a combo. I don’t see anyone saying anything to the otherwise.
Gospel truth no but Collin is overall much more credible than Kate. Overall I believe him.
Does anyone else remember the time--many years ago--when Jon said that some of the kids were struggling and had issues related to filming, and Kate claimed he was lying? I remember her saying that all the kids were "doing great across the board, just perfectly normal kids". Then she turned around a few years later and claimed that Collin had been having issues for a long time, and boo-hoo, poor Kate had to deal with it all alone. So, does that mean she admits to lying about how great the kids were doing? She would have said or done anything to keep the cameras on her, including covering up the harm she was doing to her son. She truly did not care how filming affected her kids. She was willing to throw any of them to the wolves if it meant she could stay on TV. Poor Collin always took the brunt of her anger. He struggled with the presence of the intrusive cameras, and she will never, ever forgive him for that. She is inhuman.
I sense this incident is very triggering for those who have had siblings with mental health issues. All I can say is it’s not healthy to project these experiences. This is a unique situation and I can promise nothing like anything else.
But the reality is that she could have been the best parent on the planet and the decision to protect her seven other children by placing her mentally ill child in a facility still could have been the right one.
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I don’t believe for one second her motivations were to protect her other children so you’ve lost me there.
It’s easy to be a good parent when the child is easy going and neurotypical and never has any challenges. The question is what kind of parent are you when things are tough. And Kate showed us exaclty what kind she is—the kind who doesn’t visit, then estranges her child completely despite all his hard work to build a healthy life for himself, and doesn’t call him when he almost died or speak to him at his graduation. Even the shittiest of parents could choke out a “congratulations I’m proud of you.”
That’s another thing if she really cared about Collin she would have stopped filming immediately at the very least to thoroughly rule that out as a factor in his mental health. She put the $$ before what was best for him and I find this sick, her sick and anyone trying to justify her just sick.
Great point, Admin. Remember how she used to brag that her children were absolutely thriving, wise and cultured beyond their years, not in spite of the show but BECAUSE of the show? Well, now we’re hearing that Collin wasn’t do so well after all. So she was either lying then or she is lying now.
Assuming she was lying back then, it is abhorrent that she would continue with filming when her child was experiencing a mental health crisis.
Also, I wonder if she ever sat down and truly tried to parse WHY Collin was having such outbursts, or the true reason that he was struggling to fit in with the family. It was like she labeled him as a toxic part of the pack that must be isolated and contained, whether it be through solitary dinners or admission into a facility for years. God forbid she actually do some self-reflection and explore what might be going on externally to cause discord in her little boy’s mind. She probably just blamed it all on Jon.
As a side note, I do wish that the commenters on her Instagram post would refrain from saying that she NEVER visited. Even Collin himself never said that; he claimed she visited three times (which still absolutely sucks—she should have been visiting on a monthly if not weekly basis, I don’t believe that there’s a doctor in the world who would discourage that). Those accusations just give Kate further ammunition to fire off her “Collin is a liar” argument, when in fact, he did not claim that she never, ever visited.
As a side note, I do wish that the commenters on her Instagram post would refrain from saying that she NEVER visited. Even Collin himself never said that; he claimed she visited three times (which still absolutely sucks—she should have been visiting on a monthly if not weekly basis, I don’t believe that there’s a doctor in the world who would discourage that). Those accusations just give Kate further ammunition to fire off her “Collin is a liar” argument, when in fact, he did not claim that she never, ever visited.
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Visiting three times in three years for a hot minute I think is pretty much akin to "never visiting" but I see your point.
All you great authorities on this situation, it would be great if you could explain how exactly Kate Gosselin was able to dump her child at a locked mental health facility with no diagnosis and no violent history. Do you think she just walked up to the door, whined about having eight children and told him her life would be a lot better if she only had seven?
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Stop gaslighting. Nobody said that. But if you think Kate was not primarily responsible for letting it escalate to this point, you're dreaming--we saw on camera how she treated him. The ignoring his needs, the ostracizing, the isolating. It's on video proof. We see now the heinous way she talks about her son, going as far back as in her book to today.
And getting kicked out of preschool doesn't have to be as horrific as you brownies have made it out to be. It happens, I know several kids it has happened to and it can be as simple as two kids were playing on the stairs, got a little pushy and the first kid who slipped broke his arm--the kid who pushed last gets kicked out. The kids I nannied for were also kicked out of preschool for just that. They have no mental health issues and are happy and well adjusted adults today, and everyone understands the preschool incident is what it is.
Really great parents have children who need to be institutionalized. The act of institutionalizing a child is not, in and of itself, a reflection of poor parenting. It
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True. It happens to really great parents. It also happens to really shitty ones. This one is the second.
Still waiting for you to explain why miraculously-healed Collin accused his father of physical abuse. The one lie he’s told in all these years?
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You're missing the point. The point is how that situation was handled, not who was lying. Unlike you and Kate, I am not in the business of calling that young man a liar no matter what I think. I am not going to have a statement like that out there that he could read and react to. I care about his mental health.
No one here is painting Collin out to be a perfect person who was a perfect child. Even he has admitted that he had flaws. To me, it’s very clear that there were behavioral problems at play.
We also think his mother handled it poorly, and his mother created an environment that caused him to feel devalued and single out. (Her indefensible reaction to Collin’s sweet bear gift for her 40th birthday literally encapsulates the nature of their relationship, if you ask me.)
Both of these things can be true. One truth takes nothing away from the other.
Also, I am not sure whether they ever told us which kindergarten this was, but many schools just aren't equipped to deal with a child with special needs and so once special needs or behavioral issues become a problem, you're out. They could lose their license otherwise. You have to as a responsible parent ask upfront what they are equipped to deal with --I did this when selecting preschool even for a child with no special needs on the off chance anything develops in the coming years. If regional center were to be involved can you accommodate that? If speech therapy is needed down the line is it okay they come to the school? What if a child gets an autism diagnosis? It was all in the affirmative, but as a private school they can tell me to go pound sand if they like.
And let's not forget that it was ALEXIS as well who was expelled from school, and no one is suggesting Alexis must have some horrible mental health issue.
And per all of the information that was out at the time this really was more acting out behavior than behavior readily identifiable as mental health. In which case, that is almost always related to home life or something wrong in the home. I.e. an abusive mother and filming.
Per the reports, Alexis and Collin: "fought with their peers, called them nasty names and made fun of other kids."
Talk about gaslighting. I never said it was horrific in and of itself. I said that there was a pattern indicating that he had challenges that went back to kindergarten. The pattern was the point, which of course you know. (Kindergarten, not preschool. I’m not sure why you decided that preschool expulsion somehow makes your narrative better.)
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We don't disagree there was a pattern so I have no idea what you're fighting over. A pattern of a child crying out for help. Doesn't that support my contention, that he desperately needed help for years and she just kept filming?
That incident reinforces the fact that there is some mental instability at play. Either that, or Jon is abusive.
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In your opinion a child who has an outburst and says that a parent hurt me must either be suffering from mental health issues or the parent actually did hurt them?
Given I've worked on over 10,000 child abuse cases in 15 years, I can tell you that is not always the only two options.
I understand there are not only two options ALWAYS. We are not talking about every case, we are talking about a specific case. And yes, I do believe in THIS case those are the two options.
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So in your mind it is not possible that Colin was grief stricken over the abandonment by his mother grief stricken at the abandonment by his siblings and in his pain lashed out at the only parent who has stuck around good times and bad? That’s not at all possible in your mind?
Of course Collin would have moments of lashing out after spending YEARS at a facility that is only meant to provide treatment for a couple of WEEKS (wtf, Kate, Fairmount Behavioral isn’t a Nursing Home, it’s a temporarily treatment facility); after being shunned by his own mother and most of his siblings; after going through a court hearing to which said mother couldn’t even be bothered to show up; all after having some of the most difficult moments of his childhood filmed for public consumption. Need I go on?
Quite honestly, I’m surprised he’s even somewhat functional after everything he has been through.
“I did visit him. Every time it was approved by his treating physicians,” Kate told someone in the comment section of her post.
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It’s telling that doctors actually were involved in approving her time with him. I’ve seen that like all of three times in my career and the parents were very abusive and the children damaged.
I also think she and her sheeple are taking the never visit comment too literally. In the English language never is often said to mean so rare as to pretty much be almost never. Nuance has never been their strong suit.
It's curious that despite the squadron of mental health & medical pros that Kate claims she partnered with to support Collin over the years she allows random ER docs to make the call to have him institutionalized after only one night.
At some point, if her son was as unstable, unpredictable, as she claims, he would be I assumed kicked out of the military. He would have been expelled from school. He would at point be hospitalized for this said same violence. This same said multiple psychiatric disorders his mother says he’s had since, as well as she admits as out patient before the age of 12…that for whatever reason she saw fit to still have him be filmed for. Wouldn’t he have shown violence against anyone or himself by now if what she said were true? Particularly how rough, or least how in your face military training can be? Sure that would trigger people like that. Note, I’m not in anyway making fun of anyone or their family, friends lord knows world is tough enough. Any disability or mental health issues is not easy. I just don’t think her son if he was as she claims be able to not be to keep calm. I don’t buy what she’s selling, I don’t know why she can’t just praise any of her kids without a smirk.
So, just wondering, which is it? Was he so unstable he required to be in outpatient treatment I believe she said for sometime before he ended up in emergency room, then a facility but he was healthy enough to still be filmed, sit for interviews, be on camera, go to school until he was pulled out?
Yet by comparison her wacko screaming, meltdowns, tantrums, teenage clothing choices I think in later seasons, we’re all totally acceptable on camera? Off camera who knows!
@Admin (82) I actually wonder what Alexis was dealing with when she and Collin got expelled.It seems like she doesn't have the same problems that Collin has since Kate hasn't sent her to an institution(least around when Collin went).Regardless, i thought maybe Alexis would of understood Collin and be one of the kids who would want to live with Jon like Hannah.Yet, if we take Kate at her word then Alexis agrees that Collin was violent?What could she of been dealing with to the point where she got expelled?
Well,Kate's statement about Collin is predictably vile. She says that attacks against Jon and Hannah occur regularly. Really? How does she know? Hannah has publicly defended Collin, so it doesn't seem likely that she is the source of this information. And I'm sure Jon has nothing to say to Kate. She also mentions "distorted perceptions of reality" and "complete fabrications", but that directly contradicts her reaction to Collin accusing Jon of abuse. She publicly stated that Jon was abusive and she needed to keep her kids away from him. But if she thought Collin was a child who made up such fabrications, then why didn't she consider that possibility before she threw Jon under the bus and labeled him an abuser? Seems to me that she goes with whatever she thinks will benefit her the most at any given moment. I'm really beginning to think that she is a sociopath.
Layla the more she talks the more she’s getting herself twisted into a pretzel. How does she know Collin has a distorted sense of reality. She hasn’t seen him in years and lives in a different state.
It’s amazing the marines would take such a deranged young man.
By defending herself she makes herself look worse. If things were this dire in the home the first thing you would do is tell the cameras to go home our family is in crisis. Even for the siblings if they’re dealing with such a deranged brother does it make any sense to add filming to it too?
So by Kate’s own admission she was only allowed to see him as much as the doctors allowed. By all accounts this was once a year. Sounds like they were onto her.
I really struggle to believe that any doctor in his right mind would limit a mother’s visits to her suffering son to once a year. What the ??! Isn’t family therapy an important component of any treatment plan, especially when a child’s issues has greatly impacted the family dynamics, as she claims?
If that IS true, she needs to sue that doctor and/or facility for everything they are worth. Honestly, though, I doubt it is; her argument doesn’t even make sense, as why would a doctor only approve certain times, as long as Collin was stable and wanted to see her? My God, even prisoners in JAIL are allowed multiple visits per month.
And if you all learned that she had done that you would be screaming about what a selfish bitch she was to go against the advice of the mental health professionals and possibly further jeopardize her son’s well being.
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You’re sitting around defending this piece of shit while her lovely son now a young man is off serving his country. Do you feel good about yourself?
I was looking at reddit, someone posted the stigmatization of mental illness. It’s long but totally worth the read. It drives home the point admin has been making, anonymous, give it a look. Maybe you won’t be so quick to argue what admin has said.
It's possible to be a good parent and still need the child removed from the home. Was she a good parent? No.
$10 says she wasn't honest with the therapy team. Highly doubt any of them would have agreed or recommended that she treat him the way she did.
Highly doubt that she told them he had to eat alone and whatever else she was doing to him.
If they knew all that, wouldn't they have advocated for him to be in foster care or you know, with his dad?
Wasn't there some chatter that CPS was called about her more than once, and they actually made a visit or two to the home?
Gotta wonder if CPS was so taken with her celebrity that red flags were overlooked. Or if the low level people did want to do something but were kibosh at a higher level.
It just struck me now, all these years later, that cps probably passed because he was already out of the home anyway and under a team of doctors and Kate by her own admission wasn’t trying to get him back or even visit unless they said okay, so what do we need cps for. I mean, fair point.
Got my people magazine today, August 7 edition. Page 15 and half of 16, inside Jon and Kate gosling latest family drama. Jons photo is as big as the former Mrs. Gosselin, and her photo shows the wrinkles on the neck that show her age. Forehead on both is either Botox or airbrush. Quotes n order Colin, Mady, TFMJG, and Jon. Jon points out Colin can't respond because he's now in Marines. Not just a publicity release by TFMJG.
She knew he’d be gone to basic training and on lockdown. She waited until the precise moment he was on mute and then dropped her petty little atomic bomb. She is next level calculating.
JoyinVirginia (#103), I always smile when I see you posting! I'll never forget poor "St. Tony Of The Ballroom" and your love for "Dancing With The Stars." Happy verandah memories!
TFW must be seething that Jon got his picture in People, too. "Hey, didn't I delete him years ago? Can we sue?"
It's so dysfunctional the way she approached his behavioral struggles most of which were likely related to filming and home life. He is a "danger" to all of them so she has to isolate him--separate room, separate school, separate childcare ..... but in so doing, any young child would be simple unable to process this in any other way but I'm a problematic less-than horrible kid. Thus crushing his self esteem thus making the problem even worse and on it goes.
She really has zero insight into the merry go round she put this child on.
I really wish someone like Dr. Becky Kennedy could have helped this situation one on one at the time. Here theme is not that you're a bad kid, it's you're a GOOD kid, having a hard time.
Operating from a framework of good versus bad makes all the difference in the world.
Life is not black and white but your thinking certainly is.
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Oh irony.
That seems to be the Kate defenders, who have accepted that Kate's vile and disgusting statements about all of this suggests another reality out there, a very plausible one, or at the very least, the truth is somewhere in the middle (but probably leaning more towards Kate's end), in your mind.
Your power of discernment is pathetic.
This is not a matter of not understanding the complexities, you patronizing dolt. I work with mentally ill children and their service providers including psychologists and psychiatrists on a daily basis and have had extensive training in this area, I think I'm well aware of these issues and well aware it's "complex". But, I make no apologies for the fact that I don't believe what Kate is selling based on her documented 20 years of lies, and that I believe Collin instead. Suck it up buttercup.
And if you all learned that she had done that you would be screaming about what a selfish bitch she was to go against the advice of the mental health professionals and possibly further jeopardize her son’s well being.
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Isn't the bigger point that doctors were actually recommending Kate hardly be around her son, regardless if she chose to follow the recommendations?
Poor sheeple, the get so upset when the shit hits the fan.
@mel Robert Hoffman?I wonder what he's up to these days and if he still talks to Jon?Also @Admin (90) who called it back then when we predicted that when the kids become adults, and they report on their treatment from Mommy Dearest that there would be fans still defending her?Never thought i'd see the day where Kate is throwing Collin under the bus to "protect" the other kids and the fans still excuse it with "She had to raise them all on her own, and it's Jon fault for being a deadbeat dad."
There could be any number of causes, grief among them. If you want to argue that falsely accusing Simone of child abuse is an action connoting mental stability, be my guest.
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Ummm, it's not an argument, it's a fact. Mentally stable children make false allegations of child abuse on a constant basis. They are children, they are still learning the difference between the truth and a lie, healthy communication skills, and they are largely unaware of the gravity of such allegations like you and I as adults are. I can explain to you a host of other factors that can manifest in false allegations from otherwise stable kids--teen angst, poor communication between parents and children resulting in frustration and anger, influence of peers (my god how many times has a kid said a friend said just say this and the stepdad who won't let you stay overnight with your boyfriend will be out of the home), misunderstandings or misleading from others, parental alienation--the other parent pounding the allegation into their head until the child sincerely believes it to be true, internal struggles with sexuality manifesting themselves in anger and lashing out, and on it goes.
If there were no false allegations of child abuse, there would be no need for court hearings. We would just find them all true and skip the attorneys and I'd be out of the job. You have no idea what you're talking about. Only a minority of child abuse cases that end up getting kicked involve a mentally unstable child.
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Before I was maybe pretty sure she blamed him for the gravy train coming to an end which is probably much more related to the kids not being babies anymore and just being .... ordinary, boring, typical kids.
But now, without a shadow of a doubt, the sole and only reason her show ended in her mind was Collin. And he will never, ever be able to repair that.
Jon had a response saying Kate hasn't seen Collin since 6th grade
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As far as we know that's absolutely accurate.
When someone pointed that out she didn't deny it, she said something like well I have my channels to know what's going on. Probably she makes Hannah tell her. Which is a super healthy role for Hannah to have!
She's so f-ing still obsessed and interested in what's going on with Jon. But tries to make it seem like oh she just heard through the grapevine in passing. Gimme a break.
Also Mady, this isn't about you. It's about Kate, who is perfectly able to speak up for herself. You don't need to defend your mother anymore. What's happening is all okay.
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Why are you trying to silence Mady? It is no wonder that abuse victims don’t speak out.
(See how that works? Hypocrite.)
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Mady is trying to silence Collin. What don't you get about this? Collin is simply talking about his experiences, didn't even mention HER that I heard, and she is continually trying to bully him into shutting him down.
This really isn't a situation of they're both just sharing their stories which may differ. It's just not. One kid is sharing, the other is trying to bully him into shutting up including using tactics like disclosing deeply personal information about him to do so (did she ask HIS permission before she did that?). She is doing this because she is still so deeply entrenched with Kate because Kate ensured that would be the case. The end.
I’m unclear on when this trauma supposedly took place. Does she mean that he was inflicting trauma on her before he was sent away? Or more recently?
I feel like these stories simply don’t add up. Collin, Jon, and I believe Hannah have all stated that Collin hasn’t had any interaction with his other siblings. If that’s the case, how was he making her feel unsafe?
And where does Hannah stand on all of this? So she’s completely fine with having a relationship with a young man who threatens her family? She was willing to publicly speak out on behalf of someone who has inflicted trauma on her other siblings?
Nothing about this makes sense. I’m just so sorry for all of them that this is what has become of their family.
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It doesn't make sense because some parties are lying.
The most credible in all this is Collin. He speaks plainly and directly, admitting where he's struggled, proud of his triumphs, and giving the benefit of the doubt to his disgusting mother, the sweet young man that he is. There is no anger when he speaks suggesting bias or bitterness. The narrative is corroborated by his successes in graduating, ROTC, the military, a high school job.
Kate, who hasn't seen Collin in over a decade now, and has a history of lying, is not credible. Similar for Mady, whose views have been distorted by a deeply disturbed mother.
oung teenagers are often full of emotions but lack the adequate words to truly express them. It comes out as vitriol because that’s their vocabulary set. If I put myself in Colin’s shoes and I see myself harassed, scapegoated, targeted, singled out, isolated, and likely bullied (either low-key or overtly), and I was his age at the time, I’d almost certainly lash out with choice words and express opinions about what I think they can go do with themselves, he’s a child who saw many of his siblings side with his abuser. I’d be angry too.
What I have see from the statements is it looks like Colin has done some hard work and made strides towards maturing and Mady has not.
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You know for all Kate's demands we walk a mile in her shoes, she sure has never tried to see this all like that, from a lens of EMPATHY.
There is even a comment on insta defending Kate saying put yourself in her shoes, and inexplicably bringing up what a martyr she is for doing bed rest lol, and Kate is totally like THIS.
So Kate wants us to put ourselves in her shoes (because I guess if you commit to doing a few months of bed rest that means you can be a vile mother for the next 20 years) but won't put herself in Collin's. Oh, irony.
Admin (#1), if TFW's gotten 4000 comments, she's
probably got her French-tipped fingers crossed
for an on-camera interview. Not sure if she's
lost her poke-and-dab skills. But at this point,
she'd have to be Meryl Streep to pretend she
even remotely cared about her son. He shall
remain forever kicked to the curb. Like she
will do with any negative comments, she
deleted him.
She absolutely showed her hand when the tups
had their 12th birthday party -- the first one without
Collin -- and she said it was their best one EVER.
His fate was sealed: he was never coming home.
What you struggle with is accepting the reality that YOU WEREN'T THERE and have no idea what actually happened.
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Kate hasn't been there either, she's running her mouth about things she hasn't been around for for decades.
See how that works?
Collin seems very calm, composed, and matter-of-fact in his account. Kate, on the other hand, is engaging with skeptics on Instagram in a rather manic way, to the point of contradicting herself. (She asserted in her own statement that she isn’t involved in Collin’s life, but is somehow “in the loop” enough to know that he regularly abused Jon and Hannah, and that he was unable to live peacefully there.)
Go back into obscurity, Kate, and let Collin continue to heal from the years of trauma and pain you caused him.
I can't believe Mady basically wrote Collin off as hopeless
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I don't know if he does choose to read or watch all that is being said how he will feel but my god, I hope he has developed the self confidence to realize that these comments are deeply related to THEM and THEIR issues, not him. He is not hopeless. He is a sweet young man with a very, very bright future ahead.
It's shit like this that you see a young person react in a tragic self harming way. Like, maybe they should think about what they're saying about him for a hot second?
Oh my. I saw her post last night and thought “she’s gonna regret not turning comments off.” Apparently not!
I will give you it seems like she hasn’t had direct contact in years, so yes she is speaking without direct knowledge, but I am pretty sure she has a closer connection to the situation than you do.
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Who is more credible, Kate or Collin, and why? The truth is sometimes in the middle and sometimes someone is just flat out lying in a self serving way.
Sounds like Colin thrived under Jon's tutelage, he went from incorrigible (suuure Kate) to ROTC completion & Marine Corp training. Bright kid too, smart enough to bamboozle the USMC psych evaluator. Good going Jon & Colin!
The more I read from Kate and Mady, the more I get Grey Gardens vibes.
"Nice to see Brownie of the stale organic cereal caper is still a devoted shill"
This is not a funny situation, but Kate's nutty fans were always good for a laugh.
I've read Reddit for Duggar snark. There are funny people on there.
Mady has supposedly deleted her posts.
Miss "Purseful Of Bills" toured churches across
the country, hat in hand, while she was pimping
out her 8 kids to TLC and signing book deals.
So excuse me if I have to take any of her
comments with a boulder of salt.
Mady deleting some of her posts shows she has at least some introspection. That perhaps she's realizing on some level her comments were inappropriate, hurtful, instigating, unfair.
You have to think reading Kate's statement a piece of her knows that was wrong.
The more I read from Kate and Mady, the more I get Grey Gardens vibes.
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It does seem that way a bit.
I use to read this blog daily for many years but haven't done so recently.
Kate is a disgusting Mother. Let's ASSUME that Collin did act violently many years ago. Kate had zero reason to lock him away in a behavioral institution for years without telling his father. And I think she only visited him two times. That is unspeakable on both counts.
Kate was violent and diagnosed with mental health issues. So that is rich what she is accusing Collin of.
I see in Collin a loving person, level headed, driven and with a lot of insight and reason. I truly wish him the best.
A mother NEVER gives up a child because he supposedly has mental health problems. That is horrible and it is 100 percent her fault. And shame on her for terribly belittling and bashing Collin on social media. Again she has now to date has not even bothered to see her child in numerous years.
Gee what a surprise Kate chose Mady to be her mouthpiece. We could have predicted that from her childhood.
Who is more credible, Kate or Collin, and why? The truth is sometimes in the middle and sometimes someone is just flat out lying in a self serving way.
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I might actually answer this question if it were not for the fact that as per your usual, you did not post the entire comment. By doing that, you consistently show that you are disingenuous, manipulative, and not interested in an actual discussion.
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Answer the question. Comments that follow the rules get posted.
Kate doesn't seem even remotely aware of the kind of vigorous psychological testing Collin would have to go through to be admitted. Much of the testing is so sophisticated you can't just "lie" your way through it. She's such an idiot. Also, she acts like she's unhappy that he is so stable and happy now. What is wrong with her?!
I see in Collin a loving person, level headed, driven and with a lot of insight and reason.
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That's what anyone rational who listened to what he said saw too.
If Colin was as angry and dangerous as she’s claiming, she only has herself to blame. My guess is he wanted her love and attention so bad, that even abuse is attention. He was never dangerous with Jon, Colleen or Hannah, so what’s that tell you? You can’t shut off mental illness.
I think everyone pretty much called this when the kids were preteens, it’s just not healthy to have cameras in your face and your lives on tv for all to see. This was the outcome.
I think she lied to the mental hospital, she had to get rid of him because he exploded from not wanting his life out there for all to see. Poor kid didn’t fall in line, he paid the price.
Also, my sons best friend was a marine, you can’t lie through the entrance tests, she’s a freaking jackass!
Also, my sons best friend was a marine, you can’t lie through the entrance tests, she’s a freaking jackass!
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Right. These psychological tests are fascinating because they really can't be "tricked."
There are similar tests I've worked with at work that test for propensity to molest children, you can't lie your way out of being a molester either, it catches it.
his really isn't a situation of they're both just sharing their stories which may differ. It's just not.
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Yes, it is. The end.
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You can't really believe that with a straight face. Ok Kate.
Admin (#1), if TFW's gotten 4000 comments, she's
probably got her French-tipped fingers crossed
for an on-camera interview. Not sure if she's
lost her poke-and-dab skills. But at this point,
she'd have to be Meryl Streep to pretend she
even remotely cared about her son. He shall
remain forever kicked to the curb. Like she
will do with any negative comments, she
deleted him.
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Those nails are gonna fall off if she attempts to try to delete these ones, 3998 of those 4000 are negative. People really cannot believe she said that.
Can you imagine being Collin and your mother already loathes you but then you have one or more of your siblings on her "side" against you too?
I believe Mady that there probably were some times she was a target of him. She has to understand this kid felt like NO ONE was in his corner. How alone he must have felt, and with limited tools to deal with his intense emotions because his mother didn't care to help.
I’m not intimidated by the likes of you
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It’s a Gosselin blog. Dramatic.
It’s so telling you won’t answer who you think is more credible. The truthful answer doesn’t support what you’re trying to peddle.
My son served in the Marines and there is no way Collin would have gotten in if he had mental heath issues. The test they put these guys through is unbelievable.
She disgust me with every fiber of my being. All I could think about today when I read some of her Instagram and this blog was the bear incident in Mexico. All that child wanted was acceptance from her.
I do hope she gets an interview but with someone who will call her out! Not preplanned questions either. I want to see her squirm.
I was going to ask, though it seems to have been answered by you ladies, thank you. How would it have been possible for this young man to have quote, unquote, lied his way into the Marines? I mean, come off it. Is she that serious? No, more like it she's that full of hate. How sad.
I also wasn't quite aware it was possible to doctor shop to get multiple diagnosis for, what a 12 year old child at the time, yet also later have no diagnosis when he is checked out? What's the catch in that? Wouldn't his paperwork have followed him form said emergency room, or from that pediatric doctor to emergency room, to all those institutions and such with those multiple diagnosis's? Not that I want her spill her guts what they are but it seems highly unlikely that's all. It just it it smells fishy, it is.
This was a trainwreck if you fill all the time, no rest stick a camera in anyone's face like that we'd all probably crack! It's not normal it's weird. She never once thought of any repercussions, no nothing. Just $$$$$.
It seemed Mady would be the rebellious one, but that's not what happened. She's still young and doesn't see she's being used by her mother. She thinks she's so smart but has a lot to learn.
I read Cara is now an analyst for a bank in NYC. She graduated college. This is from LinkedIn. As soon as she could, she made a life for herself on her terms.
A few reminders:
1. Kate didn't reach out to Collin after he could have died in 2022 recent car accident when he fell asleep on his way to work.
2. Kate visited Collin three times in three years when he was institutionalized
3. Per Hannah, Kate didn't tell the siblings where Collin was so they could actually speak to their brother.
https://okmagazine.com/p/kate-gosselin-didnt-reach-out-collin-horrific-car-accident/
No, she doesn’t have to “understand” that. There are stories that Kate was abused as a child. Maybe she modeled what she learned in her childhood with Collin. Does he “have to understand” that?
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Since Collin has never said anything negative about Mady publicly, I'm not sure what your comparison is supposed to mean.
I think he probably does understand exactly that, which is why he's very tempered and respectful about his siblings.
No abused child gets a pass to abuse their own kids, so I'm not sure what on earth that comment is supposed to mean either. It is every abused person's responsibility to break the cycle if they make the CHOICE to have children.
Here's another reminder: TFW didn't even show up
to Collin's custody hearing. Ghosted her own kid.
I am almost 100% positive Kate is lying through omission. Words like violent or attacked and use of a weapon can be twisted to mean literally anything. A pencil can be a weapon. If I throw a toilet paper roll at you in anger, it is technically being violent and using a weapon. The toilet paper roll will most likely not cause an injury, but it is the perception of the action that matters for Kate.
I think she is lying because she is a person who monetized potty training. She allowed uncomfortable and private moments to be on view to the entire world for money. TLC has an entire industry for their 'very special episodes.' Can you imagine the ratings draw an episode about institutionalizing Collin would create if it was legitimate and justifiable? They could have milked that train for at least an entire season with all the children talking about "the situation" with Kate spinning the narrative as she liked with him away for his own protection. That would have been a money train that spewed money. She would have been able to hit the talk show circuit and monetized the struggles of parenting an out of control child while managing the needs of the others. However, all that is posited on the fact Collin would need to be there and no reasonable specialist would challenge it. That should have been somewhat attainable since she had custody.
However, that is not what happened at all. He became a ghost and she went radio silent. Her own actions provide the most damning evidence that substantiate Collin's claims.
It is not giving up on a child to make sure they are in the best place for their own safety and psychiatric needs. Kate, on the other hand, basically shipped the poor kid off like a broken toy and chose to ignore, avoid, and trash talk about him. Again, her own actions are the damning evidence here for her intentions.
Kate's mantra has always been that no one who wasn't physically there has NO IDEA what goes on in her life and therefore has no right to have any opinion or even comment (unless they agree with her, of course). So how ironic (and infuriating) that even though she is not physically present in Collin's life, and hasn't been for many years, she knows exactly what his life is like. I've never seen a mother show such utter, blatant, and public contempt for the son who only craved her love.
Can you imagine being Collin and your mother already loathes you but then you have one or more of your siblings on her "side" against you too?
I think he's used to it & has put the work to move past it, that's why his comments about his experience are a lot more balanced & loving than Kate & Mady's which read vitriolic & defensive. He'll make a fine Marine.
Ugh, just when you think Kate couldn't be more repulsive, she goes an proves that there's no depths she won't sink to. I guarantee she and Mady are hoping all this attention will somehow get them back on TV. After all, TLC rewarded their bad behavior for years. Mady is just like Kate and she'd much rather sit in front of a camera than get a real job. She just finished college, didn't she? Shouldn't she be either looking for a job or working now? It's not a good look for a professional person to get involved in an online b!tch-fest. But somehow I don't think working a real job is what she really wants.
I'm willing to bet that Kate hates working a mediocre job for a mediocre paycheck. And Mady would hate it too. They were so happy to prance around in front of a camera for $40K an episode. Their weekly pay must seem pretty pathetic after that. Too bad, welcome to the real world, ladies! As Kate has said so often, they can't go back.
Let's all remember that Collin was only 11 when he was sent away, so anything Mady is talking about happened when he was still a child. We've seen lots of filmed interactions where she was violent toward her siblings when she was a child, so does she think it was okay for her to hit at that age but not for Collin to do the same thing? Quite the hypocrite, isn't she?
Whoa, I went to look at what Mady posted in IG, and all the posts have been removed. Is anyone else seeing that? Or am I looking at the wrong account?
Just from their statements it shows that Jon's grown & Kate's still stuck on damage control. Jon prioritizes Collin, Kate prioritizes Kate.
I found it interesting that in one of Kate’s many replies to her statement she specifically said the other kids “approved her statement.”
I found it interesting that in one of Kate’s many replies to her statement she specifically said the other kids “approved her statement
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Lol she suuuuchh an asshole!
Did Collin get a chance to approve it too? It really is us versus Collin for her, which is exaclty what he said a few months back. All she does is just cooroborate what he said.
Layla she apparently removed them and for that I actually give her credit. At least someone is seeing this went too far and put a stop to it. That is the right thing to do and shows she’s by no means totally without empathy. Something struck her as wrong about all this and she took steps to correct it.
Admin, I think Mady's motives are completely self-serving. I don't think she has the capacity to realize that what she said was wrong. I think she didn't want to deal with the backlash. She was paid by Amazon to promote them, and now all her Amazon posts are gone. Same with some other posts promoting products. Why would she remove those--a source of income--as well as the post about Collin? I looked at Kate's IG and people are making comments on many of her posts, not just the latest one. It was probably the same thing on Mady's account. Otherwise, why remove all of them, but not put her account on private? I'm wondering if Amazon and the other places she was promoting either reprimanded her or cut ties with her. If so, then she deserved it. She needs to know that there are repercussions for her actions. Goodness knows her mother never would have bothered to teach her that.
Mady's comments were in her stories which disappear after 24 hours
Who would interview Kate anyway these days without asking her perhaps for evidence? No directly but, I suppose my thought is y'know who in their right mind would not ask, well, which treatment, what diagnosis? It just how on earth if she's hoping for an interview or anyone to side with her not ever be expected to be hounded with certain questions by other people to ask things that she can't support?
Didn't TFW hem and haw from jump about Collin's
diagnosis? Something about it being "fluid," or
a vague term like that?
Now one might say maybe she was protecting her
child and respecting his privacy by not being too
specific. But this is the same woman who let a
camera crew film the poor boy with his pants
around his ankles during potty training. He had
no right to privacy. He was a commodity to her.
Remember she wrote in the book of letters to
her children that he was "hard to love?" Putting
those words in print for the world to see? Bless
his heart for having the strength and courage to
try to make a better life for himself.
These are Kate's comments from 2016 which frankly seem so kind now:
Collin has special needs," Kate tells the magazine. "[There's a fairly fluid diagnosis of what those needs are, but he needs to learn certain strategies to help him deal with things. This has been a struggle we've had for a very long time, and it's one I've dealt with on my own. I've felt very alone in this."
And then the bitch says Collin leaving wasn't that bad because, like, he was already practically doing his own thing anyway. God she's the worst:
Over the past year or so, Collin had such a different schedule—different schooling, different therapies, his own room—that his leaving wasn't like one day he was sharing a room and on the bus with them and then suddenly he wasn't,
I found it interesting that in one of Kate’s many replies to her statement she specifically said the other kids “approved her statement.”
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Thinking about this insane comment again, how incredibly manipulative is it to put your kids in a position where they have to approve or disapprove of disparaging comments made about their own brother? They're in a catch 22, if they disapprove they risk angering Kate or making her feel like they don't support her, if they approve they're a willing participant in disparaging their brother in a very public way. I feel really bad for them in all this, the ones who have not said anything and are just trying to be healthy young adults.
I am almost 100% positive Kate is lying through omission. Words like violent or attacked and use of a weapon can be twisted to mean literally anything. A pencil can be a weapon. If I throw a toilet paper roll at you in anger, it is technically being violent and using a weapon. The toilet paper roll will most likely not cause an injury, but it is the perception of the action that matters for Kate.
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Exactly. Unless she is willing to tell us details she leaves it open for the worst possible interpretation when it could be something minor.
And frankly it doesn't matter what exactly happened, not only was he was ELEVEN, but he was made to live out his mental health struggles on national TV and had a shit mother and was going through a divorce, and, has since put in the hard, hard work to address his mental health issues and build a healthy life for himself.
HE has put in the work to improve. Kate not only refuses to acknowledge she needs to do the same, but is getting worse.
I read Cara is now an analyst for a bank in NYC. She graduated college. This is from LinkedIn. As soon as she could, she made a life for herself on her terms.
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The best thing a kid like her could do is just move away. Move far away and get out of the drama while you live your life.
How would it have been possible for this young man to have quote, unquote, lied his way into the Marines? I mean, come off it. Is she that serious? No, more like it she's that full of hate. How sad.
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It's not possible and the fact that she thinks the military could be fooled to admit someone based on a few lies is frankly insulting to our military and their rigorous admissions process.
I haven't posted in a long time, and just herd about this story.Admin (5) Can we honestly make a drinking game over how many times the Kate defenders go to excuse is"Put yourself in her shoes"?Yeah, i remember my mother filming my entire childhood, and discussing private issues about me on public T.V.As for Mady's comments, i was worried that my prediction that there would be a divide between the gosselin kids would come true, and here we are.I hope the approval of the other 4 siblings isn't true and it's just Kate pulling an appeal to majority."See!Most of Collin's siblings agree with me that he's violent so Collin is wrong."
Can we honestly make a drinking game over how many times the Kate defenders go to excuse is"Put yourself in her shoes
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And it doesn’t even make sense. I put myself in her shoes and hope I still wouldn’t estrange my own child.
How about Kate puts herself in Collin’s shoes and imagines what it must be like to have his family be so broken and him being made to feel to blame.
I was lurking on Reddit, someone who knows Collin and mentored him posted a response to Kates social media blaming his behavior. It’s great! Totally makes her look like the lying loser she is! Her fantasy of being the best mom is falling apart and I’m here for it!
Some enterprising Redditors have started to retrieve clips of Mady acting badly. And watching her antics---and brutality---towards her sibling toddlers at the age of 6 and up is quite something again. Certainly Collin was never seen acting this viciously on camera. And this is only what the cameras caught. . . . Does she really want to have this argument over her younger brother's behavior? No wonder she wiped her IG clean.
Oh, I forgot TFW's whole woe-is-me-I'm-all-alone
nonsense. Collin had a living, breathing, father
who could have helped share the challenges.
Jon was past his skirt-chasing, Ed Hardy phase
and was willing and able to co-parent with her.
But she was benefiting from the overwhelmed
single mother narrative so she chose to stick
to it. And even announced gleefully that Collin's
father didn't even know where he was.
Some enterprising Redditors have started to retrieve clips of Mady acting badly. And watching her antics---and brutality---towards her sibling toddlers at the age of 6 and up is quite something again. Certainly Collin was never seen acting this viciously on camera. And this is only what the cameras caught. . . . Does she really want to have this argument over her younger brother's behavior? No wonder she wiped her IG clean.
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She really doesn’t want to go there. It’s sad she can’t see how they’re all in the same boat here with filming and their home life affecting them all. Just different sides of the coin.
I remember a recent 60 minutes episode where Native Americans abused in boarding schools discusses how other kids abused them. And Anderson Cooper emphasized up front, the perps were abused themselves before they then acted out. Right.
Some enterprising Redditors have started to retrieve clips of Mady acting badly. And watching her antics---and brutality---towards her sibling toddlers at the age of 6 and up is quite something again.
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Do you have a link for that thread? I’d like to follow it
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Mady's comments were in her stories which disappear after 24 hours
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ALL of her posts are gone. She can dish it out but she can't take it.
I had to go to Reddit to see what was being said, and apparently Cara is working as an analyst at Bank of America in NYC. Good for her! She's smart enough--and mature enough--to stay out of this mess. Mady's Linkedin says she majored in English Textual Studies, Film and Screen Studies and that she works for Bubble (also in NYC), which seems to be a skin care line. She apparently manages "community conversations" on Bubble's social media accounts. Hmmm, we may have figured out why she scrubbed her IG. Wouldn't look good for someone whose job involves managing a brand's social media accounts to set herself up for so much online backlash.
Maybe it's just me, but I wouldn't trust Mady to manage social media conversations. She doesn't seem to have the maturity or the judgment for such a thing.
AAArrrggghhh, I did it again! The comment just above was from me.
After my car accident, it was kind of eye opening. It almost took my life so it was kind of that now-or-never type of thing," Gosselin said, adding that he wanted to share his perspective after years of his parents and others speaking on his behalf.
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It's Collin's turn now, Kate. Shut up and listen.
Localyocul: Sorry, shouldve cc'd the link when it was up. Not a big deal, if you search Mady Gosselin Behaving Badly, all kinds of stuff comes up. Thanks, Mommy Dearest, your legacy will live on, forever and ever.
Localyocul, sorry, it looks like it's already been taken down as a topic. But I'm sure if you search J&K+8 for Mady Gosselin, you'll find plenty of examples of her hateful behavior. No way it's all been scrubbed from the internet.
Sorry, Mady, very unfortunate you've got such a BIG mouth and a short memory: You were a BEAST towards your younger siblings, and most of it is still available online. You reap what you sow.
THINK before you speak.
Oh, I forgot TFW's whole woe-is-me-I'm-all-alone
nonsense. Collin had a living, breathing, father
who could have helped share the challenges.
Jon was past his skirt-chasing, Ed Hardy phase
and was willing and able to co-parent with her.
But she was benefiting from the overwhelmed
single mother narrative so she chose to stick
to it. And even announced gleefully that Collin's
father didn't even know where he was.
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And that's it. She perceived single motherhood as more beneficial to her so Jon wasn't allowed in even when the family was deeply in crisis.
To not even try to see if his father could help and resort to an institution instead is nothing short of sick.
Admin (#64), I've said this a thousand times: she
hates Jon more than she loves her kids. The other
7 left home were surely suffering -- each in his or
her own way -- when their brother was removed
from their home. Were Aaden and Joel able to
talk about losing their "man cave" buddy, or did
they have to pretend he'd never existed? And
what scars will they bear into adulthood from
that awful time?
After reading the Reddit comments, I see that Kate still has a few of her minions out there, trying desperately to defend her. They're claiming that Collin may have SA'd his sisters and that he used weapons against his family. I don't believe any of that. Why? Because of Hannah. From the moment she went to live with Jon, she has been actively involved in Collin's life. She was pictured going with Jon to visit him at the facility, she was there on outings with him while they were preparing him to transition back home. And she has had his back every step of the way ever since. Hannah was always the most mature of the 6. She would never have gone along with any of that if she felt she was in any danger.
Hannah is also the only one of the kids, other than Collin himself, who is not in some way controlled by Kate. Even though M&C are adults now, Kate still controls their trust funds (or whatever remains of them). Those are revocable trusts too, so Mommy Dearest can still take them away at any time. But she can't take Hannah's. She can make Mady/Kate Jr. toe the line, but she can't make Hannah.
One more thing, but if the doctors treating Collin believed that he was violent or might SA his sister, would they have allowed him to go live with her? Not likely! Mady hasn't seen Collin since he was 11. That's 8 years. Kate saw him 3 times, apparently for about 15 minutes each time (and saw him--but didn't interact with him--at his graduation) in the past 8 years. Who do they think they are making such claims about him now? They have no idea who he is now.
As they say you miss all the shots you don’t take. She wouldn’t even let Jon take a shot at this sad situation and turns out when he did take the shots later in Collin’s life, he thrived.
Layla said... 43 Mady still has all her promotion posts up on her TikTok. She has however removed all her comments and turned any commenting off.
I truly do not understand why people think it is so hard to believe that Collin has mental health issues.
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I think it was a combination of Collin having mental health issues and Kate both not helping and making it worse and now saying vile things about it. So it’s a combo. I don’t see anyone saying anything to the otherwise.
Gospel truth no but Collin is overall much more credible than Kate. Overall I believe him.
Does anyone else remember the time--many years ago--when Jon said that some of the kids were struggling and had issues related to filming, and Kate claimed he was lying? I remember her saying that all the kids were "doing great across the board, just perfectly normal kids". Then she turned around a few years later and claimed that Collin had been having issues for a long time, and boo-hoo, poor Kate had to deal with it all alone. So, does that mean she admits to lying about how great the kids were doing? She would have said or done anything to keep the cameras on her, including covering up the harm she was doing to her son. She truly did not care how filming affected her kids. She was willing to throw any of them to the wolves if it meant she could stay on TV. Poor Collin always took the brunt of her anger. He struggled with the presence of the intrusive cameras, and she will never, ever forgive him for that. She is inhuman.
I sense this incident is very triggering for those who have had siblings with mental health issues. All I can say is it’s not healthy to project these experiences. This is a unique situation and I can promise nothing like anything else.
But the reality is that she could have been the best parent on the planet and the decision to protect her seven other children by placing her mentally ill child in a facility still could have been the right one.
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I don’t believe for one second her motivations were to protect her other children so you’ve lost me there.
It’s easy to be a good parent when the child is easy going and neurotypical and never has any challenges. The question is what kind of parent are you when things are tough. And Kate showed us exaclty what kind she is—the kind who doesn’t visit, then estranges her child completely despite all his hard work to build a healthy life for himself, and doesn’t call him when he almost died or speak to him at his graduation. Even the shittiest of parents could choke out a “congratulations I’m proud of you.”
That’s another thing if she really cared about Collin she would have stopped filming immediately at the very least to thoroughly rule that out as a factor in his mental health. She put the $$ before what was best for him and I find this sick, her sick and anyone trying to justify her just sick.
Great point, Admin. Remember how she used to brag that her children were absolutely thriving, wise and cultured beyond their years, not in spite of the show but BECAUSE of the show? Well, now we’re hearing that Collin wasn’t do so well after all. So she was either lying then or she is lying now.
Assuming she was lying back then, it is abhorrent that she would continue with filming when her child was experiencing a mental health crisis.
Also, I wonder if she ever sat down and truly tried to parse WHY Collin was having such outbursts, or the true reason that he was struggling to fit in with the family. It was like she labeled him as a toxic part of the pack that must be isolated and contained, whether it be through solitary dinners or admission into a facility for years. God forbid she actually do some self-reflection and explore what might be going on externally to cause discord in her little boy’s mind. She probably just blamed it all on Jon.
As a side note, I do wish that the commenters on her Instagram post would refrain from saying that she NEVER visited. Even Collin himself never said that; he claimed she visited three times (which still absolutely sucks—she should have been visiting on a monthly if not weekly basis, I don’t believe that there’s a doctor in the world who would discourage that). Those accusations just give Kate further ammunition to fire off her “Collin is a liar” argument, when in fact, he did not claim that she never, ever visited.
As a side note, I do wish that the commenters on her Instagram post would refrain from saying that she NEVER visited. Even Collin himself never said that; he claimed she visited three times (which still absolutely sucks—she should have been visiting on a monthly if not weekly basis, I don’t believe that there’s a doctor in the world who would discourage that). Those accusations just give Kate further ammunition to fire off her “Collin is a liar” argument, when in fact, he did not claim that she never, ever visited.
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Visiting three times in three years for a hot minute I think is pretty much akin to "never visiting" but I see your point.
All you great authorities on this situation, it would be great if you could explain how exactly Kate Gosselin was able to dump her child at a locked mental health facility with no diagnosis and no violent history. Do you think she just walked up to the door, whined about having eight children and told him her life would be a lot better if she only had seven?
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Stop gaslighting. Nobody said that. But if you think Kate was not primarily responsible for letting it escalate to this point, you're dreaming--we saw on camera how she treated him. The ignoring his needs, the ostracizing, the isolating. It's on video proof. We see now the heinous way she talks about her son, going as far back as in her book to today.
And getting kicked out of preschool doesn't have to be as horrific as you brownies have made it out to be. It happens, I know several kids it has happened to and it can be as simple as two kids were playing on the stairs, got a little pushy and the first kid who slipped broke his arm--the kid who pushed last gets kicked out. The kids I nannied for were also kicked out of preschool for just that. They have no mental health issues and are happy and well adjusted adults today, and everyone understands the preschool incident is what it is.
Really great parents have children who need to be institutionalized. The act of institutionalizing a child is not, in and of itself, a reflection of poor parenting. It
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True. It happens to really great parents. It also happens to really shitty ones. This one is the second.
As for her not speaking to him at his graduation, that could’ve been the action of a cold, hard bitch or it could’ve been his choice.
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Which one do you think it was, based on what Collin and Kate have said over the past several months?
I can promise you that this situation is not unique
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Oh so all of you projecting people had mothers like Kate and also filmed away half their childhoods? What show were you on?
Still waiting for you to explain why miraculously-healed Collin accused his father of physical abuse. The one lie he’s told in all these years?
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You're missing the point. The point is how that situation was handled, not who was lying. Unlike you and Kate, I am not in the business of calling that young man a liar no matter what I think. I am not going to have a statement like that out there that he could read and react to. I care about his mental health.
No one here is painting Collin out to be a perfect person who was a perfect child. Even he has admitted that he had flaws. To me, it’s very clear that there were behavioral problems at play.
We also think his mother handled it poorly, and his mother created an environment that caused him to feel devalued and single out. (Her indefensible reaction to Collin’s sweet bear gift for her 40th birthday literally encapsulates the nature of their relationship, if you ask me.)
Both of these things can be true. One truth takes nothing away from the other.
Exactly Samantha.
Also, I am not sure whether they ever told us which kindergarten this was, but many schools just aren't equipped to deal with a child with special needs and so once special needs or behavioral issues become a problem, you're out. They could lose their license otherwise. You have to as a responsible parent ask upfront what they are equipped to deal with --I did this when selecting preschool even for a child with no special needs on the off chance anything develops in the coming years. If regional center were to be involved can you accommodate that? If speech therapy is needed down the line is it okay they come to the school? What if a child gets an autism diagnosis? It was all in the affirmative, but as a private school they can tell me to go pound sand if they like.
And let's not forget that it was ALEXIS as well who was expelled from school, and no one is suggesting Alexis must have some horrible mental health issue.
And per all of the information that was out at the time this really was more acting out behavior than behavior readily identifiable as mental health. In which case, that is almost always related to home life or something wrong in the home. I.e. an abusive mother and filming.
Per the reports, Alexis and Collin: "fought with their peers, called them nasty names and made fun of other kids."
Gee wonder where they learned to be so nasty?
Talk about gaslighting. I never said it was horrific in and of itself. I said that there was a pattern indicating that he had challenges that went back to kindergarten. The pattern was the point, which of course you know. (Kindergarten, not preschool. I’m not sure why you decided that preschool expulsion somehow makes your narrative better.)
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We don't disagree there was a pattern so I have no idea what you're fighting over. A pattern of a child crying out for help. Doesn't that support my contention, that he desperately needed help for years and she just kept filming?
That incident reinforces the fact that there is some mental instability at play. Either that, or Jon is abusive.
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In your opinion a child who has an outburst and says that a parent hurt me must either be suffering from mental health issues or the parent actually did hurt them?
Given I've worked on over 10,000 child abuse cases in 15 years, I can tell you that is not always the only two options.
I understand there are not only two options ALWAYS. We are not talking about every case, we are talking about a specific case. And yes, I do believe in THIS case those are the two options.
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So in your mind it is not possible that Colin was grief stricken over the abandonment by his mother grief stricken at the abandonment by his siblings and in his pain lashed out at the only parent who has stuck around good times and bad? That’s not at all possible in your mind?
Of course Collin would have moments of lashing out after spending YEARS at a facility that is only meant to provide treatment for a couple of WEEKS (wtf, Kate, Fairmount Behavioral isn’t a Nursing Home, it’s a temporarily treatment facility); after being shunned by his own mother and most of his siblings; after going through a court hearing to which said mother couldn’t even be bothered to show up; all after having some of the most difficult moments of his childhood filmed for public consumption. Need I go on?
Quite honestly, I’m surprised he’s even somewhat functional after everything he has been through.
Omg she’s blaming Collin for not having as much time with her other kids. She really doesn’t give a f if he offs himself.
“I did visit him. Every time it was approved by his treating physicians,” Kate told someone in the comment section of her post.
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It’s telling that doctors actually were involved in approving her time with him. I’ve seen that like all of three times in my career and the parents were very abusive and the children damaged.
I also think she and her sheeple are taking the never visit comment too literally. In the English language never is often said to mean so rare as to pretty much be almost never. Nuance has never been their strong suit.
It's curious that despite the squadron of mental health & medical pros that Kate claims she partnered with to support Collin over the years she allows random ER docs to make the call to have him institutionalized after only one night.
At some point, if her son was as unstable, unpredictable, as she claims, he would be I assumed kicked out of the military. He would have been expelled from school. He would at point be hospitalized for this said same violence. This same said multiple psychiatric disorders his mother says he’s had since, as well as she admits as out patient before the age of 12…that for whatever reason she saw fit to still have him be filmed for. Wouldn’t he have shown violence against anyone or himself by now if what she said were true? Particularly how rough, or least how in your face military training can be? Sure that would trigger people like that. Note, I’m not in anyway making fun of anyone or their family, friends lord knows world is tough enough. Any disability or mental health issues is not easy. I just don’t think her son if he was as she claims be able to not be to keep calm. I don’t buy what she’s selling, I don’t know why she can’t just praise any of her kids without a smirk.
So, just wondering, which is it? Was he so unstable he required to be in outpatient treatment I believe she said for sometime before he ended up in emergency room, then a facility but he was healthy enough to still be filmed, sit for interviews, be on camera, go to school until he was pulled out?
Yet by comparison her wacko screaming, meltdowns, tantrums, teenage clothing choices I think in later seasons, we’re all totally acceptable on camera? Off camera who knows!
@Admin (82) I actually wonder what Alexis was dealing with when she and Collin got expelled.It seems like she doesn't have the same problems that Collin has since Kate hasn't sent her to an institution(least around when Collin went).Regardless, i thought maybe Alexis would of understood Collin and be one of the kids who would want to live with Jon like Hannah.Yet, if we take Kate at her word then Alexis agrees that Collin was violent?What could she of been dealing with to the point where she got expelled?
“The court initially disallowed Jon from knowing where Collin was for a number of valid reasons,” Kate wrote.
She is such a liar.
Well,Kate's statement about Collin is predictably vile. She says that attacks against Jon and Hannah occur regularly. Really? How does she know? Hannah has publicly defended Collin, so it doesn't seem likely that she is the source of this information. And I'm sure Jon has nothing to say to Kate.
She also mentions "distorted perceptions of reality" and "complete fabrications", but that directly contradicts her reaction to Collin accusing Jon of abuse. She publicly stated that Jon was abusive and she needed to keep her kids away from him. But if she thought Collin was a child who made up such fabrications, then why didn't she consider that possibility before she threw Jon under the bus and labeled him an abuser? Seems to me that she goes with whatever she thinks will benefit her the most at any given moment. I'm really beginning to think that she is a sociopath.
Layla the more she talks the more she’s getting herself twisted into a pretzel. How does she know Collin has a distorted sense of reality. She hasn’t seen him in years and lives in a different state.
It’s amazing the marines would take such a deranged young man.
By defending herself she makes herself look worse. If things were this dire in the home the first thing you would do is tell the cameras to go home our family is in crisis. Even for the siblings if they’re dealing with such a deranged brother does it make any sense to add filming to it too?
So by Kate’s own admission she was only allowed to see him as much as the doctors allowed. By all accounts this was once a year. Sounds like they were onto her.
I really struggle to believe that any doctor in his right mind would limit a mother’s visits to her suffering son to once a year. What the ??! Isn’t family therapy an important component of any treatment plan, especially when a child’s issues has greatly impacted the family dynamics, as she claims?
If that IS true, she needs to sue that doctor and/or facility for everything they are worth. Honestly, though, I doubt it is; her argument doesn’t even make sense, as why would a doctor only approve certain times, as long as Collin was stable and wanted to see her? My God, even prisoners in JAIL are allowed multiple visits per month.
Doctors have no authority to keep a child from his parent. If she wanted to see him more she could have asked her judge to order it.
And if you all learned that she had done that you would be screaming about what a selfish bitch she was to go against the advice of the mental health professionals and possibly further jeopardize her son’s well being.
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You’re sitting around defending this piece of shit while her lovely son now a young man is off serving his country. Do you feel good about yourself?
I was looking at reddit, someone posted the stigmatization of mental illness. It’s long but totally worth the read. It drives home the point admin has been making, anonymous, give it a look. Maybe you won’t be so quick to argue what admin has said.
It's possible to be a good parent and still need the child removed from the home. Was she a good parent? No.
$10 says she wasn't honest with the therapy team. Highly doubt any of them would have agreed or recommended that she treat him the way she did.
Highly doubt that she told them he had to eat alone and whatever else she was doing to him.
If they knew all that, wouldn't they have advocated for him to be in foster care or you know, with his dad?
Wasn't there some chatter that CPS was called about her more than once, and they actually made a visit or two to the home?
Gotta wonder if CPS was so taken with her celebrity that red flags were overlooked. Or if the low level people did want to do something but were kibosh at a higher level.
It just struck me now, all these years later, that cps probably passed because he was already out of the home anyway and under a team of doctors and Kate by her own admission wasn’t trying to get him back or even visit unless they said okay, so what do we need cps for. I mean, fair point.
Got my people magazine today, August 7 edition. Page 15 and half of 16, inside Jon and Kate gosling latest family drama. Jons photo is as big as the former Mrs. Gosselin, and her photo shows the wrinkles on the neck that show her age. Forehead on both is either Botox or airbrush. Quotes n order Colin, Mady, TFMJG, and Jon. Jon points out Colin can't respond because he's now in Marines. Not just a publicity release by TFMJG.
She knew he’d be gone to basic training and on lockdown. She waited until the precise moment he was on mute and then dropped her petty little atomic bomb. She is next level calculating.
JoyinVirginia (#103), I always smile when I see
you posting! I'll never forget poor "St. Tony
Of The Ballroom" and your love for "Dancing
With The Stars." Happy verandah memories!
TFW must be seething that Jon got his picture
in People, too. "Hey, didn't I delete him years
ago? Can we sue?"
Remember that guy who wrote a book...and said this is for Colin?
He must have known of all the abuse. He sounded so anguished about it.
It's so dysfunctional the way she approached his behavioral struggles most of which were likely related to filming and home life. He is a "danger" to all of them so she has to isolate him--separate room, separate school, separate childcare ..... but in so doing, any young child would be simple unable to process this in any other way but I'm a problematic less-than horrible kid. Thus crushing his self esteem thus making the problem even worse and on it goes.
She really has zero insight into the merry go round she put this child on.
I really wish someone like Dr. Becky Kennedy could have helped this situation one on one at the time. Here theme is not that you're a bad kid, it's you're a GOOD kid, having a hard time.
Operating from a framework of good versus bad makes all the difference in the world.
Life is not black and white but your thinking certainly is.
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Oh irony.
That seems to be the Kate defenders, who have accepted that Kate's vile and disgusting statements about all of this suggests another reality out there, a very plausible one, or at the very least, the truth is somewhere in the middle (but probably leaning more towards Kate's end), in your mind.
Your power of discernment is pathetic.
This is not a matter of not understanding the complexities, you patronizing dolt. I work with mentally ill children and their service providers including psychologists and psychiatrists on a daily basis and have had extensive training in this area, I think I'm well aware of these issues and well aware it's "complex". But, I make no apologies for the fact that I don't believe what Kate is selling based on her documented 20 years of lies, and that I believe Collin instead. Suck it up buttercup.
And if you all learned that she had done that you would be screaming about what a selfish bitch she was to go against the advice of the mental health professionals and possibly further jeopardize her son’s well being.
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Isn't the bigger point that doctors were actually recommending Kate hardly be around her son, regardless if she chose to follow the recommendations?
Poor sheeple, the get so upset when the shit hits the fan.
@mel Robert Hoffman?I wonder what he's up to these days and if he still talks to Jon?Also @Admin (90) who called it back then when we predicted that when the kids become adults, and they report on their treatment from Mommy Dearest that there would be fans still defending her?Never thought i'd see the day where Kate is throwing Collin under the bus to "protect" the other kids and the fans still excuse it with "She had to raise them all on her own, and it's Jon fault for being a deadbeat dad."
There could be any number of causes, grief among them. If you want to argue that falsely accusing Simone of child abuse is an action connoting mental stability, be my guest.
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Ummm, it's not an argument, it's a fact. Mentally stable children make false allegations of child abuse on a constant basis. They are children, they are still learning the difference between the truth and a lie, healthy communication skills, and they are largely unaware of the gravity of such allegations like you and I as adults are. I can explain to you a host of other factors that can manifest in false allegations from otherwise stable kids--teen angst, poor communication between parents and children resulting in frustration and anger, influence of peers (my god how many times has a kid said a friend said just say this and the stepdad who won't let you stay overnight with your boyfriend will be out of the home), misunderstandings or misleading from others, parental alienation--the other parent pounding the allegation into their head until the child sincerely believes it to be true, internal struggles with sexuality manifesting themselves in anger and lashing out, and on it goes.
If there were no false allegations of child abuse, there would be no need for court hearings. We would just find them all true and skip the attorneys and I'd be out of the job. You have no idea what you're talking about. Only a minority of child abuse cases that end up getting kicked involve a mentally unstable child.
I am so tardy posting about the Vice episode but it's now up, bringing ya'll over there and closing this one.
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