Friday, October 16, 2020

Kate puts her million-dollar house on the market in the coming days

Jon and Kate bought the property in 2008 for $1.2 million amid much criticism for buying an overpriced property they likely couldn't afford long-term. Kate is trying to sell it for the same price, $1.2


10/20/2020 298 Heffner Rd, Wernersville, PA 19565 - MLS PABK365360 - Coldwell Banker

https://www.coldwellbankerhomes.com/pa/wernersville/298-heffner-rd/pid_38550255/ 4/7

Interior

Number of Rooms:

14

Interior Features:

Breakfast Area, Built-Ins, Ceiling Fan(s), CentralVacuum, Crown Moldings, Dining Area, Entry Level Bedroom, FamilyRoom Off Kitchen, Floor Plan - Open, Formal/Separate Dining Room,Kitchen - Gourmet, Kitchen - Island, Kitchen - Table Space, Pantry,Recessed Lighting, Skylight(s), Soaking Tub, Walk-in Closet(s),Upgraded Countertops

Fireplace:

Yes

Number of Fireplaces:

3

Fireplace(s):

Brick, Gas/Propane, Mantel(s), Wood, Brick,Gas/Propane, Mantel(s), Wood

Appliances:

Commercial Range, Built-In Range, Built-In Microwave,Dishwasher, Exhaust Fan, Oven - Self Cleaning, Oven - Double, Oven- Wall, Range Hood, Stainless Steel Appliances, Washer, Dryer

Flooring:

Hardwood, Carpet, Ceramic Tile

Rooms

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Total Bathrooms:

7

Full Bathrooms:

5

Half Bathrooms:

2

Upper Floor Baths:

3

Upper - Full Baths:

3

Main Floor Baths:

3

Utilities

Sewer:

On Site Septic

Water:

Well

Structural Information

Architectural Info:

Traditional

Architectural Style:

Traditional

Structure Type:

Detached

Construction:

Frame, Masonry

Basement:

Yes

Basement Desc.:

Full

Roof:

Shingle

Stories/Levels:

0

Stories Description:

Lower 1, Main, Upper 1

Square Feet:

7,591

Sq. Ft. Source:

Estimated

Living Area:

7,591 Sq. Ft.

Finished Above Grnd:

6,295 Sq. Ft.

Year Built:

1997

Year Built Source:

Assessor

Unit Information

Looking for privacy plus luxury and charm? You've found it! This charming 23 Acre privateEstate is loaded with Custom Amenities inside and out! This warm and gracious home isfabulous for entertaining. Unsurpassed quality, from the flagstone walkway leading to the front door, oak and cherry hardwood floors throughout, expansive gourmet chef's kitchen with largekitchen island and stainless appliances including three ovens, six burner gas stove top and twodishwashers, large formal dining room with gas fireplace, tray ceiling and crown molding andample built in storage and display cabinetry, breathtaking 850 square foot maintenance freeTimberTech composite deck with outdoor kitchen and inlaid slate tiles for fire pit and spiralstaircase overlooking the beautiful salt water pool and spa combination with twisty waterslide,the super-sized first floor master with huge tiled bath, four recently remodeled junior suites,with ensuite baths with pencil tile accents and granite floor tiles, family room with separateentrance and large built in entertainment storage center, lower level game and family roomthat opens to the covered patio and pool, with large custom shelved storage room, and lowerlevel man-cave nearby. Laundry room with built in organizational system includes two washersand two dryers. Six bedrooms in the main house, separate living quarters with private entranceover the three car detached garage. Large three stall horse barn with barnyard and 10 acrefenced paddock. Private gated entrance with detailed home alarm system.


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Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Definitely weird. You tout the kitchen, the deck, the family room, the basement, the bathrooms, & the property, but you leave out the real living space, such as the bedrooms?

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I don’t see it as smart. For most buyers bedrooms are definitely important, for the majority of buyers the 1 or 2 most important thing. Not smart to be so silent on them.

NJGal51 said...

This article just popped up on my google feed. It sounds like TFW is hoping that her house will sell for her asking price because she’s “Kate feckin’ Gosselin”. (A little nod to RHOBH and Denise Richards). I guess she figures that her name has enough star power that anyone that looks at the house will be in total awe and no one will bother to look at the appraised value or dicker over the price.

https://soapdirt.com/kate-gosselin-ready-to-laugh-all-the-way-to-the-bank-despite-naysayers/



foxy said...

The Duggar mantra was Free Jinger. It seems now that Jinger has gone "Hollywood" a bit. At least her husband works unlike most of the others. The Duggar's are now getting the younger kids to be on the show. I guess they think they have life time appeal. One of the little girls, I forget her name, hates being filmed. She is about 11 years old. I don't watch the show because the Duggar's make me sick with their better than everyone else attitude. They completely brushed under the table Josh molesting 4 of his sisters and a baby sitter. I give Jill a lot of credit for having the courage to leave and live her own life. They are not allowed at the family home unless the parents are there. Sad life.

Layla said...

NJGal51 (2)
Perhaps Kate has forgotten the fact that a bank is going to appraise a house before approving a loan. They're not going to give anyone a $1M loan for a house that appraises at, say, $700K. So even if someone is blinded by her celebrity, they're going to have to cough up a lot of money to close that gap between the purchase price and the appraisal. And then they'll have to qualify for a large loan. Just wait until they figure out how much their taxes are going to be on a place like that! And that's in addition to the mortgage, and doesn't include all the maintenance and upkeep, plus fixing all that's wrong with it now. Yikes! Maybe someone very wealthy will bite, and none of this will matter, but if there's no tycoon willing to pay too much for a run-down property, Kate is in for a big surprise.

The old adage about "location, location, location" is very true. And that's one thing that Kate's house does not have--location. It's not near any major cities (Reading and Wyomissing aren't exactly bustling centers of industry), and it's not an in-demand area (judging by the other high-end properties that take years to sell, and only sell after dropping the price many times). Someone is going to have to be really wealthy and really stupid to take on the burden of this house. And they have to be oblivious of the realities of location, resale value, and cash flow. But...she can dream, can't she? And she can keep dreaming until all her money is gone and she loses everything.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

They're not going to give anyone a $1M loan for a house that appraises at, say, $700K

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Omg I totally forgot that nightmare happened to me. It’s been a sellers market in LA for decades and it got to the point where I just needed to buy and get in, and I couldn’t wait forever for it to be a buyers market. There were ten other bids on the house I was going for so I had to outbid by 20k. Well that really caused problems on appraisal when the house appraised for 70k under my accepted offer. Long story short I made it work and it was a good decision as the house value has grown ever since, but damn, it was pins and needles for awhile there.

For the majority of buyers doing a standard 20 percent loan, trying to pay over the actual value is going to be a huge problem. Huge.

I think kate thinks there are going to be twenty people lined up with cash offers full ask, and that’s a fantasy.

Sandylove said...

I was just reading some comments on the People Facebook page about her house selling and there are some people who actually think that she's already paid the house off. Where in the world do they get this wrong info?!

Erin said...

I live within a few counties of Kate, and my sibling lives 1 county closer. I saw someone mention that her house is actually "appraised" for around 500k, and I think what they were referring to is the tax assessment. In this part of PA, many counties don't assess at full value. For example, a house that sold for $530k and their assessment is $280k. So that's not necessarily an accurate appraisal value.

I also saw people wondering about the mortgage on the house, and according to the County assessor site, the trust took out a mortgage of $720k in 2008. That's the only mortgage listed for that time period under either the trust, Kate, or Jon's names, but the deed transfer lists a purchase price of $1,120,000, so they either paid the difference in cash or took a mortgage under a name/entity we (or at least I) am unaware of.

In 2011, the deed was transferred from the trust, a trustee, and Kate's names, to just the trust and Kate, for $1. On that same day, the trust/Kate took out a mortgage for $662k with an adjustable rate. A week later, the initial $720k mortgage was satisfied. That's the most recent mortgage I can find under those parties' names, so do with that information what you will lol.

If the original 720k loan was their only loan, idk how much of that they'd have paid down between 2008 (Oct) and 2011 (Dec). Was the 662k loan in 2011 the total amount left on the 2008 loan (probably) or did she have some cash leftover, who knows. But assuming no other loans, the 662k is all she'd owe since 2011. Not sure what that works out to a month, especially w/ the adjustable rate.

Sorry for the long post, I just saw a lot of questions about this and have been doing a lot of county assessor research for other things lately, so I figured I'd post what I could find.

Layla said...

Admin (5)
We got into a bidding war over our house, but fortunately it didn't get out of control. That's normal in a highly-desirable area (like LA!). But Wernersville, PA? You can't buy a house there with the expectation of selling at a profit because the demand just isn't there. Looking at the other high-end houses for sale/recently sold nearby, there are so many that listed high, then sat on the market for months. Most were removed least one or two two times "pending sale", then listed again...until they end up selling for hundreds of thousands les than the initial asking price. Most of the ones I looked at sold for far less than their estimated value.

It's possible that someone will look at the property as a selling point, either for farming or horses. But nothing is really set up for farming, meaning there will be even more expenses to clear and plow land. As far as horses are concerned, I would be willing to bed the barn is in even worse shape than the house. She would not have spent a dime maintaining it because it's pretty much useless to her. So there would be additional expenses bringing the barn up to a usable standard. No matter who eventually buys that house, and no matter what the purpose, it is going to require major cash outlays. I wouldn't be surprised if it's still sitting on the market in a year. Or two. She should have learned from selling the E-town house that her kind of "celebrity" does not equal increased value.

Sad but true said...

I wonder why she's not trying to sell off some of her agrricultural acres to her neighbor (Henry?). We know he worked (or at least hayed) some of her acres in the past, and wasn't she even getting a tax deduction for some of her property being designated agricultural? This doesn't appear on the tax history of her ownership, so maybe that was just fiction.

I can't imagine she couldn't split off some acreage if it's going to a neighboring farmer, though there may very well be restrictions on subdividing for development. I'm just surprised there's no indication in the listing that a purchase of less than the 23 acres is possible. The horse barn (was this ever seen on K+8? I don't recall it) and access to it look well separated from the house, so it's hard to imagine that piece couldn't be sold separately.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Erin (#7), not sure if you've posted before, but welcome, and thanks for all the helpful information!

FYI said...

The horse barn (was this ever seen on K+8? I don't recall it) and access to it look well separated from the house, so it's hard to imagine that piece couldn't be sold separately.
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They showed it once on Kate+8. It was a Halloween episode, which was called "A Haunting at the Gosselins". You can read Admin's recap here:

http://www.realitytvkids.com/2017/07/recap-kate-plus-8-haunting-at-gosselins.html

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


I can't imagine she couldn't split off some acreage if it's going to a neighboring farmer, though there may very well be restrictions on subdividing for development. I'm just surprised there's no indication in the listing that a purchase of less than the 23 acres is possible. The horse barn (was this ever seen on K+8? I don't recall it) and access to it look well separated from the house, so it's hard to imagine that piece couldn't be sold separately.


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There could be a lot of red tape with that.

I'm guessing it was probably one of those things that looked like too much hassle and expense on the front end so Kate said no, failing to take into account It could mean a lot more profit on the back end.

Anonymous said...

My concern is the remaining four children she has under her control. I hope they are able to complete their high school education at the only school they have ever known. This pandemic year has been unsettling for adults and even more so for students. I can't imagine what it would be like for them to have to leave the two places they have been part of most of their lives, let alone being separated from friends they hopefully have made at school. (I'm assuming of course the house sells fairly soon and they are forced to relocate.)

bm

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I always thought rumors about Kate moving to NY or LA would be terrible on the kids but real estate wise she could have made a fortune by now. I bought my house mid 2017 and now in 2020 it’s clocked at about 28% more than what I paid. That is an incredible return in a short period of time, and I’m not even in a trendy neighborhood. If I sold this thing for the same exact price I paid or less I basically did nothing more with my time than put my money in a sock between my couch cushions. A waste.

Sad but true said...

FYI said... 11

Oh yes, Brownie's star turn! No, I never watched it, so I didn't recall it ever being shown. So, it's been seen on film once in the 12 years she's owned it? I wonder what kind of shape it's in.

Not to mention, she's got a houseful of 12-year-old appliances as well. If her kitchen is as "custom" as she claims, how much more life do all those items have in them and how much will they cost (especially if they're "custom"-sized) to replace?

Re the sq footage, I'm guessing the number on the current listing includes the garage plus the apt upstairs, at the very least, plus the deck. It's hard to see how you add 1,500 sf without those, UNLESS she's counting the horse barn.

JM said...

The "horse barn" was used as the chicken coop when they had the chickens ... There is an episode where they clean it out and Ashley helps Kate build a gate inside.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

bm (#13), yeah, it would make a hard time even harder if those kids had to start a new school. And I worry about them in general. Those remaining "tups" are 4 individual human beings with their own unique personalities, needs, desires fears and challenges. One might be easy-breezy about things while another might stress 24/7. School and studying might be easy for one but a nightmare for another. And they're stuck with the parent who seemed to treat them as a herd all their lives.

Another worry I have is that these 4 have been stuck behind screens most of the year and I'm not sure their mother is super interested in or even aware of their social media presence.

kris said...

Isn't the horse barn where she kept the chickens in the winter? If it was the horse barn, they also did that episode where she built that (lame) door that she was so proud of to keep the chickens in a certain part of the barn. I'm pretty sure that's the same outbuilding bc on the Halloween episode, she had the kids scoop out all the leftover chicken $hit off the ground.

As far as the square footage, I may be wrong but I always thought it was listed as over 7000 sq ft, even when they bought it?

Ingrid said...

Blue Jay 176 ,,,As Jon said the children said they had to film not they want to film.
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What really stuck with me was the quote of Aaden's. Something about the need to film just to SURVIVE. That hit me as so awful sad.

Ingrid said...

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 100
Does anyone think the square footage is on the high side???
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I got to thinking about the sq foot and looked for the listing for a house my dad built many years ago and we sold when he died. It was a 1 story full basement, living rm, dining rm, family rm, kitchen, 2.5 bath, 4 bedrooms all on that one floor. 6400 sq ft. So Kates looks like it could be what it said. The houses are only 1100 sq ft difference. Link to our house

Ingrid said...

Oh yeah I think our old house was 40x80 so the 6400 was basement included.

Just Missy said...

The barn was where she built the door (can-do Kate, remember?) and where the Halloween episode was filmed. By that time it was falling apart and they scooped a dead chicken carcass along with 3” of chicken droppings. There were rats and tons of cobwebs so no one was going in there. Such a waste! Of course TLC swept in and created the fright house for her even though she bitched and complained the entire episode that she had no help. Pathetic!

Layla said...

The problem with getting everything new at the same time (furniture, appliances, cars) is that they all wear out at about the same time. We can see that the furniture is really ratty, and it's pretty much a given that there will be some appliances that need replacing (hasn't she complained in the past about problems with her refrigerator and her dishwashers?). Besides all that, she has a couple cars that are about a decade old, and she's going to have to fork out some cash to replace them. IIRC, she bought her SUV (used) in the spring of 2011, and also bought her van that year. The Audi she bought was shortly after--2013 or so. I'm not saying people need a shiny new car in their driveway at all times, but after awhile it costs more to keep your old car running than it would cost to just replace it. She's going to have to pay for whatever replacements she needs this time. I think her days of nonstop freebies are over.

ANOTHERMOM said...

In Wisconsin, you can count a finished basement in the square footage. Doesn’t appear to be that way in PA.

Clack said...

I might be wrong but I think she can count the basement as square footage because there’s bedrooms down there, it’s considered livable space.
Layla your right about appliances! Her stove is most likely 40 or more inches, that’s not cheap. And the fridge is a built in fridge, they’re really expensive! Thousands! I wonder about the hvac, how old is the system? If it was installed in the 90s, that’s probably on its way out too. And would she clean her septic tank out yearly? I bet that runs into issues too on inspection.
If she was smart she should have done her own inspections and fixed what needed to be done before marketing it. But she ain’t smart.

I wonder if she’s voting? Does she know there’s an election next week?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I'm gonna take a wild guess that barn is in terrible shape. Especially if they're not going anything with it. It could be in a tear-down state.

And yeah, crowing about how you have all luxury appliances when most are 12 plus years old means they are dated luxury appliances with a limited shelf life and likely long out of warranty. Anyone who buys this needs to set aside 40k minimum for repairs and replacements.

Layla said...

Clack(25)
If she won't fork out a few bucks to pressure-wash the house, she's sure not going to pay to repair or replace any worn-out appliances. She thinks she's going to make top dollar on that place, then walk away leaving all the mess for someone else to fix. It's probably true that the barn is in tear-down condition, and those play houses are probably the same. Someone above mentioned that there was something funky about the chimney, and if you look at pictures taken from the deck, there is a chimney that looks odd. Maybe it's just mold or mildew growing there, or maybe it's a crappy repair job of some kind of damage. Hard to tell from the pictures. But you could fill a book with all the things that are wrong with that place.

As far as voting is concerned, I wonder if she's a Trump supporter. She said (back during her long unemployment stretch from 2011-2014) that Donald Trump was so helpful and supportive of her. He gave her the opportunity to re-start her (former) career by putting her on Celebrity Apprentice. You'd think she would return some of that support, but--nothing. Typical Kate, she uses people to get what she wants and then steps on them as she walks away. Let's see how that works for her going forward. There's going to be nobody who wants to give her a break, and that's all her own fault.

Anonymous said...

For someone who liked to portray herself as an obsessive-compulsive germaphobe, obsessed with washing and cleaning, the pictures indicate her house is a mess.

bm

Anonymous said...

As far as voting is concerned, I wonder if she's a Trump supporter. She said (back during her long unemployment stretch from 2011-2014) that Donald Trump was so helpful and supportive of her. He gave her the opportunity to re-start her (former) career by putting her on Celebrity Apprentice. You'd think she would return some of that support, but--nothing. Typical Kate, she uses people to get what she wants and then steps on them as she walks away. Let's see how that works for her going forward. There's going to be nobody who wants to give her a break, and that's all her own fault.
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She has to back him for political office because he boosted her failing career or else she's a bitch? Wow. Maybe Joe Biden has been nice to her at some point. What would she have to do then? Campaign for both of them? The premise is ridiculous, not to mention the fact that Donald Trump is the most transactional human being alive, so complaining that she used and discarded him is pretty dang funny.

Layla said...

Annymous (29)
You're the one calling her a bitch, not me. She doesn't have to campaign for him or anyone else--where did I say she needs to campaign for anyone? You're reading a lot into what I said. Maybe you're sharing your own feelings towards her. If that's it then be my guest.

Donald Trump doesn't need anything from her. He's right where he wants to be. She, on the other hand, has been fired from the only network willing to deal with her. She could use some help from someone right about now, but she stepped on everyone when she was on top of the world, and never returned any favors. Now that she is most likely in need of a favor or two, there's nobody who owes her one.

Anyway, you were telling us all what a bitch she is. Please, tell us more!

Anonymous said...

Should we start a betting pool for how long she sits on the house before lowering the price? There are multiple mansions in California that are abandoned. Most were owned by someone famous or were on a TV show. They now sit empty and show signs of decay.

Annie

kris said...

I don't blame Kate for not speaking out on who she will vote for. Voting is a personal choice and should be kept private. Part of the reason this country is in such a mess is because both sides keep trying to shame people into believing what they believe. I wish the politicians would just put their platform out there and let everyone make their own minds based on what they personally believe in and what makes sense for them and their family and their wallets.

Clack said...

Annie, I say she’ll give it till Jan and lower it to $1.1 million. She’ll blame the holidays for now. I’m sure all the realtor is hearing are crickets right now.

Kris, I was being sarcastic. Kate doesn’t come across as someone who knows anything at all about current events. Unless it’s about herself. I doubt she is even aware there’s an election.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I don't think she needs to say anything about politics since she knows nothing about nothing, but she hasn't spoken of Trump since she got the boot which was long before he ever ran for president. I really think she holds a grudge. She doesn't see that she should have been fired for her first five f-ups and she was lucky to stay on as long as she did, all because some other person on her team had a bigger mouth in the board room or was in charge of the task so bore more responsibility, etc. The joke in my recaps was always "once again, due to some other circumstance, Kate isn't fired." I actually think Kate went in there thinking she was going to win the whole thing, and when she didn't she was furious and humiliated.

Many, many other contestants from the past have spoken out fondly of Trump. Even Piers Morgan, who has been critical of Trump's politics, still takes long, what he calls "cordial" phone calls from Trump as recently as a few days ago. Given that there are hundreds of other journalists out there with a whole lot more influence than Piers Morgan, I see no reason for the two to chit-chat on the phone other than they genuinely like each other and value each other's opinion.

Point being, lots of other contestants have kept in touch with Trump and it's been beneficial to them. But for Kate it's just another discarded relationship Kate sees no use for. Problem is that's not how the industry works. The most successful people in the business said yes to everyone they met along the way and was always someone others could count on to help, kept their numbers in their phone and texted them now and again to keep in touch, and have a rolodex a mile long to turn to in a pinch.

Kate didn't do this, and now she's paying dearly for it.

Anonymous said...

I agree with Admin. celebrities live in a transactional world.

bm

Layla said...

Admin (33)
That's exactly what I meant. She never showed anyone any appreciation, and it's come back to bite her in the butt. Trump did more than anyone to help her get back on TV, and she never even thanked him for the opportunity. He is uniquely positioned to help her along if he wants to. But she never bothered to make him want to. From what we've heard, over and over, she burns every bridge behind her. Every last one.

As far as Trump being transactional--yes, absolutely. Many, many people have benefitted from his transactional nature. One that comes to mind is a guy I went to college with. He was a guy from a small town in Iowa who most people would never hear of (his name is Chuck). But he was a die-hard conservative activist back home in Iowa, and one day in early 2016 his phone rang and his daughter answered. He thought it was a joke when she said, "Dad, Donald Trump is on the phone". It was no joke. The two had a nice chat, and Chuck spent the next several months travelling around Iowa in his "Chuck truck", campaigning for Trump. Trump, of course, won Iowa. Chuck was rewarded with a government position that most small-town Iowa boys could never dream of.

If Kate has any hope of ever getting her face in front of a camera again, she needs lightning to strike a third time. But it won't because she has alienated everyone who is in a position to help her. She's done.

kris said...

I agree she thought she'd win it, just like with DWTS, lol. And I'm sure she was furious when she was finally fired. She was terrible on that show because she doesn't have a mind for business nor does she have a creative mind.

Not surprising she cut Trump out of her life but in all reality, he could probably care less, lol. Kate who?

Anonymous said...

Many, many other contestants from the past have spoken out fondly of Trump.
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And many, many others have not.

Layla said...

Anonymous said... 38
Many, many other contestants from the past have spoken out fondly of Trump.
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And many, many others have not
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Let's hope they never, ever need a favor from him

Anonymous said...

From Dmasy -- Part 1.

Fair warning -- long real estate story. Some faithful "oldies" from this site may recall details from years ago.

I keep thinking of Kate and her property. I really wish I could share our old Illinois address -- a visual would be helpful. Before moving to our Texas retirement home, we had a large property to sell in the corn-and-bean-fields part of Illinois.

The house was over 5,000 sq ft of living area. Midwest basement rules -- if there are windows and a walkout, the square footage can be counted. So, part of our lower level was listed. The portion without windows was an additional 2,000 sq. ft. It was carpeted and finished as a media room and an exercise room, but did not count in the listing. The house sat in the middle of 125 acres. 17 of those acres were mowed and groomed to an unreasonably tidy standard. We were surrounded by deep woods. A river followed the drive way and wound behind the house. (Salt Fork River) We had two ponds -- each over 8 acres that were fully stocked with fish and had beautiful decks that I now know were good for our well-being and happiness. (Thanks, Kate.)

A national well-known plant company used our property as staging for their commercial catalogues. They shipped plants and a photographer from California to our homesite for two years worth of photos.

We had a four car garage and a huge workshop. We had a horse barn that included a riding arena and an apartment for a horse trainer. We had a commercial sized greenhouse.

Wonderful. A blessing. We shared the place for weddings and reunions and weekend retreats. It was truly special. And, because we did all of our own work -- exhausting. Tractors and loaders and fork lifts and chain saws and were involved! I cannot calculate what it would have cost to hire someone to maintain such a property. (We had a neighbor who paid for mowing much less than 17 acres. He paid $600.00 a month.)

Yes. The house was dated. But, that worked in our favor because it was old enough that some of the dated was considered charming. We had remodeled and enlarged the original kitchen. When the house was built it was featured in Architectural Digest magazine -- so it did have some historical cache.

My husband purchased the house with his first wife. ( She died on the property in a mowing accident. ) They got the house for a bargain price. The original owner/builder was an eccentric millionaire. After his death, the house sat empty and unsold for several years. Over grown and neglected and unwanted. My hubby lived in the house for over 30 years. I was there with him for 16 years when we decided it was time to sell to someone who would love it as much as we did.

We had reached an age to consider harsh winters and extreme maintenance as a negative.

We planned out sale carefully. We knew it would take time to find a buyer(s). There were no comps in the area, so a buyer would have a hard time getting a mortgage. We probably had to overcome many of the obstacles that Kate faces. We laid out a plan we thought might take as long as two years.

We selected a real estate company that had a large base of out-of-state buyers. They specialized in finding homes for the professors at the University of Illinois. We followed all of their advice.

First, we re-platted the property into smaller parts. The horse barn facility was listed with flexible acreage around it. That sold fairly quickly to a family with several horses. Eventually, they built a home on the edge of one of the ponds.

We listed a gorgeous building site surrounded by trees with its own pond. We put in a gravel driveway to access that spot deep in the woods. It sold within the first six months.

We listed the tillable acres separately.

You get the idea. Desirable and smaller chunks with specific uses.





jakieK said...

She lost because she "wasn't a 10."

Anonymous said...

From Dmasy -- part 2.

I am waiting for hubby to finish an appointment. I have the time to share this story. Don't feel bad if you don't have the time to read it! Mostly boring, but related to the Kate property saga.

To make the long story a bit shorter -- the house and about 30 acres around it went on the market last.

It didn't matter that we had always kept the house maintained. We painted. We staged. We pruned. We picked the most attractive season. Flowers were blooming. The fruit orchard was full of buds and the promise of produce. There wasn't a speck of scum on the pond -- just sparkling water. Our effort was a kind of saying good bye to our home. It was emotional.

We didn't have many showings. Gravel roads aren't that popular! Our buyers were from Washington DC. They were planning an organic lifestyle after retirement. Though they still live in the house, their story doesn't have the happy ending they planned. "Green Acres" turned out to be too much and too difficult. The orchard has gone wild. Most of the lawn is now un-mowed. The greenhouse turned out to be too expensive to heat. The allowed the pond to freeze over completely which kills fish. So on and sadly so forth...

We did get the total amount of money we wanted. Patience and planning and pressure washing were required!

My husband's family still owns the farm 4 miles from the house. We were just back in the area. I believe that we made the right decision at the right time. We weren't just selling a house, we were changing lifestyles.

Kate is also. Her family is growing and going. Her TV/People Magazine fame has most likely ended. We needed to plan and to be realistic. She needs to apply some of the same logic.

She is going to need some real luck.

Just Missy said...

Thanks, Dmasy! I never knew this story and I find it fascinating. I think we all romanticize living on a farm or acreage, but it’s a hell of a lot of work. You’re old place sounds wonderful but I bet you don’t miss all that work. Kate was a fool to buy that property but she had to have what Beth had and she wanted to film the rest of her life. She’s an idiot!

Just Missy said...

Your, not “You’re.” Who’s the idiot now? D’oh!

Clack said...

Dmasy, I found your real estate story interesting. You both made the right financial decisions knowing it would be hard to sell all that on its own. That was brilliant what you did.
Thank you for sharing that.

See Kate? Just some amazing ideas and you too might be able to get out from under that mess your in.

Ann said...

😂😂😂Kate’s not gonna vote! There’s no money in it for her!

Layla said...

jakieK (41)
She lost because she's lazy, obnoxious, and has no work ethic.

Dmasy, your former home sounds amazing! We live in the DC 'burbs, and it's outrageously expensive here. Something like that would beyond anyone's dreams in this area. But I grew up in the Midwest, and there was plenty of space--reasonably priced--out there. You are lucky to have had such a beautiful home.

ncgirl said...

https://blindgossip.com/spin-the-sale-of-the-house/#more-101363

Kate is revealed as a blind item. It's about the house.

We’ve talked to you before about this TV Lady’s many issues.

Her popularity has definitely waned from its peak, and the public does not look at her the same way they once did.

That diminution of stature and reputation also means a diminution of income.

She is not broke by any means, but her monthly expenses are huge. She is running into some cash flow issues.

So she is selling her really big house.

This is not a second home. It is her primary residence. She completely customized to her lifestyle. A year ago, she was definitely not even thinking of selling it, so her decision to sell is not a happy one.

With all she put into it, will she make a profit?

Even though the housing market is hot right now, and even though she customized it a lot, she knows she will probably have to take an overall loss on it when it sells.

Our TV Lady has a very big ego. She knows how to spin even bad things to make herself look good. Thus, she will likely make it seem like she did well on the sale.

Even if she doesn’t.

Time to call a moving company… and her publicist!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Even though the housing market is hot right now, and even though she customized it a lot, she knows she will probably have to take an overall loss on it when it sells.


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Well, it's a bit inaccurate to describe this as her customizing a lot. She's barely done a thing to improve this property over 12 years. The few things she did do like the kids' bedrooms, she refuses to show pics of. It's expected a house at this level after 12 years you would have a laundry list of typical things you've added: in-wall speakers, upgraded new appliances, shower jets, re-done fireplace, upgraded fixtures, a more formal gym with mirrors, etc. She has none of that that could have brought her tens of thousands of dollars.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

LOL, he's right where most of the country wants him to be...on his way to being fired by the American people.


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I wouldn't gloat yet. I guess you've learned nothing from how wrong the polls were last time. We'll see.

In any case, if you want to trade this one for your owe so impressive candidate old man with dementia, that's on you--but as far as the courts go, we've stacked them for the next generation, not just the Supreme Court but the federal courts too, so it was quite a productive four years you can't do anything about. You're welcome.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Lol, Most people get through life just fine without needing a favor from Donald Trump. And believe it or not, plenty of people don't aak favors of people they dislike. There's a little thing called principles...

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Lol. If everyone lived live expecting perfection from anyone they ever scratched and got scratched backed, no humans would ever talk to one another. We would all live in our own little pearl clutching, horrified little bubbles.

There's principles, and then there's self-righteousness. All of the candidates that run in this day in age are deeply flawed human beings, even your precious Democrat up there, who is a well documented womanizer and racist. To pretend this is not the case is simply hypocritical.

People are also human, and flawed, the question is not whether your president is a perfect person. On that standard, no one would ever get elected.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

As far as Trump being transactional--yes, absolutely. Many, many people have benefitted from his transactional nature. One that comes to mind is a guy I went to college with. He was a guy from a small town in Iowa who most people would never hear of (his name is Chuck). But he was a die-hard conservative activist back home in Iowa, and one day in early 2016 his phone rang and his daughter answered. He thought it was a joke when she said, "Dad, Donald Trump is on the phone". It was no joke. The two had a nice chat, and Chuck spent the next several months travelling around Iowa in his "Chuck truck", campaigning for Trump. Trump, of course, won Iowa. Chuck was rewarded with a government position that most small-town Iowa boys could never dream of.

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There are countless stories like this the media is not interested in because it doesn't fit the narrative they want to portray.

In particular, the story of Trump saving Kodak earlier this year was absolutely ignored by the media, but it meant a lot of those of us it effected. I grew up with Kodak, my father worked there and I interned there just as it was pretty much dead, and it was the most soul crushing decade ever in the 90s to watch countless father after mother get fired as the company was slowly sent to China. Kodak might have been a wonderful career for me, but that was robbed from me. Watching an entire city go down in the dumps because it revolved around that company was just depressing. For him to lift that company back up, reinvent it and reimagine it and give all those jobs back, in many cases to the next generation who watched their parents suffer, is nothing short of emotional. But, won't get reported. That's okay, you can't change that he did that. You can't take that away from all the good people saved by this move.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Thanks, Dmasy! I never knew this story and I find it fascinating. I think we all romanticize living on a farm or acreage, but it’s a hell of a lot of work.


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Dmasy's story is so interesting. I think only because I grew up with two full-on farms in my family, I have this very unusual reaction to these romantic properties and totally think WORK when I see them. I had that thought instantly when I first saw Kate's house all those years ago--WORK.

My mother always said her goal was to NOT marry a farmer. Same here and I ended up in the suburbs too. I think I would actually prefer a bit more rural if I had to choose, but small and not a working property.

Farming, big land, horsemanship, those are all awesome and rewarding pursuits for the right people. But go into it knowing exactly what you're doing--and what a resale will look like if you ever want out.

NJGal51 said...

Loved your story Dmasy!

Layla said...

Lol, Most people get through life just fine without needing a favor from Donald Trump.
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Not Kate! He rescued her from unemployment and increasing obscurity once before, and if he wanted to, he could help her out again. You can't deny she needs something big to happen to ever get her face on TV again. Never fear, it looks like she's got many decades of complete obscurity ahead of her because she didn't bother to maintain cordial relationships with the people who could help her. We will be right here cheering on every failure she faces along the way.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Dmasy, I enjoyed reading the details of your house story. "We needed a plan and to be realistic" -- a concept Schmoopy would never be accused of formulating.
To quote the Smashmouth song, she ain't the sharpest tool in the shed.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Kate was boot licking that man for years before she ever got on Celebrity Apprentice. It was embarrassing. There was speculation for YEARS that she was pestering him to get on Celebrity Apprentice. The moment she got on and humiliated herself, Trump was sent to the dustbin along with all the others she chewed up and spit out.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

What a disgusting reaction! You really need to look in the mirror and really evaluate yourself. Your pure glee at the result of the unbelievable hypocrisy by McConnell etc about "election year SCOTUS appointments" is revolting. I thought republicans were supposed to be all about principle but turns out they are just about themselves, at any cost.


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Um just so you know I completely agree with you, they never should have prevented anyone’s nomination from going through because they might soon be out of office. At the time I thought careful, they’ll do it to us.

But isn’t your sides the hypocrites? You’re the ones who said they shouldn’t have done it to Obama yet you called for the same exact thing for Trump. You can’t have it both ways. You either believe the rules stand and whoever is in office can roll forward with a nomination, or you don’t. If you were being the bigger person you should have encouraged this nomination to go forward but the rules. That is the very opposite of what happened so spare me the outrage.

She is an incredible judge who will make wise decisions long after whatever flavor of the year Old white guy you want in office is gone.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Admin - I can agree that Democrats can't have it both ways, but I am pretty sure the outrage stems from the hypocrisy of the Republicans pulling their stunt in 2016 then reversing course when it suits them. The outrage is at the Republicans doing it both ways.


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The vast majority of Republicans understand the rules are if you are in office you can nominate someone and that a good faith vote should be taken, up until the day you are out.

The fact that a handful of dirty politicians decided to try to mess with the rules four years ago really is irrelevant to me, and it certainly would not be the first time either side played dirty. The point is, these are the rules, and everyone just needs to be adults, call a truce, and move on. Every time the other side says "but but you did THIS blah blah" it just perpetuates things and makes them sound like whiney children.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Your feeling of irrelevance about that is quite shocking to me, especially for you being a lawyer! The "handful of dirty politicians" have just put a lot of women in serious peril. Do the "pro-lifers" really believe that over-turning Roe v Wade will actually eliminate abortions??

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Roe v. Wade is not even in remotely in danger of being overturned in any manner whatsoever. Anyone who understands legal precedent would understand that. What's more Barrett has repeatedly said she will respect the precedent, I'm not sure how much clearer she has to be. What's more they even polled Republicans and only 14 percent want it overturned. 14 percent! So if any Republican would like to hang onto their jobs, they would do well to respect what the other 86 percent of us would like.

This is propaganda and misinformation your side shamelessly feeds to the masses to get them worked up to TROLL FOR VOTES. As I can see, it worked on you like a charm. You are clearly panicking that your right to kill a baby might be taken away in your imagination fantasy. Kind of sad.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

She did say she would respect the precedent, but also made it very clear that she doesn't think that it s a super-precedent case. That is a dog-whistle to the super far-right, that if this case comes before her court, literally anything could happen.
Not sure if you have been paying attention to the fact I have mentioned many times I am not American and am a Canadian who can rest easy at night knowing that if I am ever become pregnant as a result of rape, (oh I'm sorry, a legitimate-rape) that I will not be forced to carry that fetus that resulted from my torture. Also pretty reassuring that if my life was in danger, I could count on my medical for all healthcare system to have my life saved or if I was raped by a relative, that me and my family would not have to spend the rest of our lives raising the result of my rape. But let's go with your scenario - I do give birth to a baby with many birth defects and was interbred, the republicans will then immediately cut funding to programs that support single mothers, cut food stamps etc. It would seem to call the prolife movement by their actual party-policy: Pro-birthers. Once the fetus becomes a baby, the republicans will strip as many social benefits as possible. Dear God, can't have socialist programs in the great U S of A!

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It is absurd and ridiculous to worry that your access to an abortion because of rape and incest is threatened. Nor is your access to a reasonably early abortion for any other reason in jeopardy. Again this is far left alarmism and hyperbole to get you stirred up and voting for their characters, and frankly, it’s dishonest and unethical. When I see someone like you going off freaking out over something that simply isn’t going to happen, I think they’ve accomplished exactly what they wanted.

Anonymous said...

Thanks Dmasy! Loved your story. I bet your new home feels like freedom though. Freedom from work and non stop expense. I hired someone to mow my mother's lawn...$400 per month. I wonder what Kate is paying for her care of her acres?
M.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


It would seem to call the prolife movement by their actual party-policy: Pro-birthers. Once the fetus becomes a baby, the republicans will strip as many social benefits as possible. Dear God, can't have socialist programs in the great U S of A!


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You are trying to pigeon hole the views of a tiny minority subset of a party on the whole party. Would you like to be known as the BLM party? I would hope not, especially since they just shot two cops in LA and nearly killed them. I am capable of understanding what the polls say, that the majority of Democrats are happy with their police force and in many neighborhoods would like MORE of a police presence, not less.

The polls don't lie. The vast majority of Republicans are just fine with pro-choice and social service safety nets, as long as reasonable regulations are in place like you know, you're not allowed to kill a fetus who is eight and a half months old.

Ann said...

Doesn’t this go on every 4 years? With the overreacting and exaggerating.. and panic that’s not called for. Why are people so gullible?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Doesn’t this go on every 4 years? With the overreacting and exaggerating.. and panic that’s not called for. Why are people so gullible?

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I think it harkens back to the snake oil salesmen of the 19th century.

It really does go on all day long. One side will say don't elect that guy, he'll take away your gun! The other side says don't elect that guy, he'll take away your ability to have an abortion after you were brutally raped!

And so it goes, with neither of those notions even a remote possibility to anyone who can look at what's going on rationally. An emotional vote is a stupid vote.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

frankly, it’s dishonest and unethical
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Lol lol lol. A Trump supporter labeling the other side dishonest and unethical. It doesn't get funnier than that.


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For the same reasons I laugh when you attack Trump's character. Your side is no saint.

Apples and oranges. Polling people about a single issue in a very controlled way, like asking people about abortion, tends to be fairly accurate. Trying to poll an entire nation about what is going to happen on a certain date, has time and time again been incredibly difficult to do.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

The bottom line is anonymous your side cries wolf, repeatedly exaggerates and gets you into a tizzy over killing babies, and time and time again, nothing happens to Roe v Wade.

If the polls won't reassure you nothing is happening to Roe v. Wade, if every single justice promising not to touch it doesn't reassure you, perhaps the fact that it was caselaw decided a solid five years before I myself was ever born would reassure you, and I'm pushing 40. I can't think of a single instance of the Supreme Court overruling case law that old to be LESS progressive, instead of MORE, in the entire history of the Supreme Court. So, sit down, and calm down.

Susan1956 said...

I can hear the screams from Kate now . . . what wouldn't she give to still have her mug on TV?

https://twitter.com/DrOz/status/1321497343234113537?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet&fbclid=IwAR2ZNbYjSdyOQxKVbLvGfpS7UX3tZZyy-tNNT0mb0-69-fwjtEG9IS5dQqc

NJGal51 said...

Susan1956 @68 - Thanks for the heads up on this. I don’t typically watch daytime TV but will tune in or record this! TFW’s head must be exploding and I’ll bet you you dollars to donuts that she’s burning up the phone lines trying to get on any show she can. The problem is that her treatment of Collin is documented and she might have to answer the hard questions which she won’t want to do. She can no longer control that narrative as she once did. Her days of spreading out pictures of the kids and poking and dabbing at her eyes are long gone. The only thing I’d believe now is that she’s got a purse full of bills.

Sad but true said...

Susan1956 said... 68

Her hands are tied. Unless she's willing to answer questions about Collin, his institutionalization, etc. etc. etc., no one is interested in hearing from her. I think these topics are now unavoidable, and we've moved on from her being able to sit there and smirk about how she's the ONLY ONE who knows the truth. I imagine if she attempted to lie about these matters, her daughter Hannah would be the first one in line to refute her.

Clack said...

Oh she’s going to be furious! So furious she’ll try to get people to cover her side. I’m curious what dr oz says about this mess. That she created. I can’t remember but was Jon still on his gag order the last time he was in oz?

Clack said...

Go sit by the fire and pour yourself a glass of wine anonymous. Or maybe whiskey. ACB isn’t the only judge on the court. She doesn’t have a magic wand. Unless she plans to hypnotize the rest of the court, Roe v wade won’t be overturned.

Anonymous said...

Hey Admin?
Remember when all the "haters" knew Kate didn't invent the name, "Monkey Munch"? And it was just muddy buddies?

I have a present for you!

https://i.imgur.com/rWykTrK.jpg

This is a magazine called Summertime, if you zoom in on the date under the Cool-Whip ad, it says 1993.

Kate is such a plagiarist.

Ann said...

Why is Kate’s head exploding??

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Chefsummer,are you still out there? I just heard Oprah has a new cooking show with someone named Lovely, and I was wondering if that was your cousin whom you'd told us about!

NJGal51 said...

Something tells me that GollyGee is looking down at this and smiling!

Layla said...

NJGal51 said...
Something tells me that GollyGee is looking down at this and smiling!
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Yes! I was just thinking about her last night. I was walking with some friends and we were discussing the upcoming holiday season and putting together Christmas shoe boxes. GG encouraged all of us to put together boxes to donate. She was such a kind soul, and she is missed!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

If it is the minority who truly wants this, they are certainly the loudest and most politically active by either being in office or running for office


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Bingo this is exactly what happens on both sides. The most fringe interest groups which time and time again have been proven to be outlier minority opinions dominate the airwaves. Normal people with normal opinions don’t make news because they’re boring. Most americans don’t subscribe to defunding the police, outlawing abortion, opposing reasonable gun control, opposing reasonable precautions like masks, or have any issue with LGBT rights. But the loudest voices in the room have pushed these fringe issues that are well settled for most people to the front of the line and shamelessly try to frame it as representative of the deciding issues in the election. It’s really quite sad and disappointing as the average American deserves better than sneaky used car salesman tactics to win elections.

ANOTHERMOM said...

How is Kate’s school district? At least in our area, that’s what sells houses.

As I mentioned above, we sold our mid-2000s house on 11 acres last year. It was 13 miles from the heart of a large city. It was a nice house, but very 2000s in style (maple trim, shades of beige). We recently had a package delivered to the wrong address, and I stopped by the house to retrieve it. It was the first time that I have been to the house since we moved. They are still not living there and have renovation crews.

I can only imagine the time and money that it would take to update Kate’s compound so it looks like an expensive, country estate, instead of a rundown relic of 1990s!

FYI said...

Has anyone seen the Sarah Cooper special on Netflix? I had to laugh when I saw Jane Lynch playing a "Karen". Just check out her hair! Kate's not only irrelevant, she's become a laughing stock!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFTLNlBmJag

Anonymous said...

From Dmasy --

FYI (80) -- That is hilarious! Karen and entitlement and disrespect and the weird hair do...all in one clip.

I will check out that show. Thank you.

ANOTHERMOM (79) -- thanks for your real estate story.

Ingrid said...

NJGal51 said... 76
Something tells me that GollyGee is looking down at this and smiling!
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I thought of her recently when Hallmark took off Golden girls and Lucy in exchange for 24 hr holiday romance movies. She didn't like it and I found I don't either. I can only take so much sappy romance with endings that are easy to figure out.

chefsummer #Leh said...

Let's just hope TLC or Bravo-(Million dollar listing)doesn't put her back on TV for a special.

Layla said...

chefsummer #Leh said... 83
Let's just hope TLC or Bravo-(Million dollar listing)doesn't put her back on TV for a special.
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Yikes, I can't imagine why they would. Imagine if someone in the boardroom said, "Hey, let's film Kate Gosselin. There won't be any kids, and she's rude and demanding and obnoxious and she'll make us all miserable. Then afterward she'll hound us relentlessly for a new show, to the point that we'll all have to change our phone numbers and emails to avoid her. The crew will be treated like garbage and expected to do manual labor for her, she'll demand a huge paycheck plus perks, and ratings will suck. Who's on board? Anyone? Anyone?" Nah, I don't see it happening. TLC brass is probably thrilled to finally have the perfect excuse to never, ever deal with her again.

It's Halloween! And we have trick-or-treating here in Maryland! We have our candy all sorted--with nuts or without nuts, and this year's addition, which is cappuccino truffles for the adults. Because--why not? We're going to do a pared-down, socially-distanced version of our annual Halloween get-together afterward. We all have costumes (even the adults dress up at my house), and Sully is going as...Sully from Monsters, Inc (of course). Have a fun-filled night, everyone!

LoveMyGrandsons said...

Hi, everyone, and Happy Halloween! I was expecting quite a few kids today due to covid, the quarantine, and the number of kids on our block. However, we only had two - a brother and sister. Therefore, I did "reverse" trick or treating! I took my bucket of candy to the neighbors homes that I knew had kids, rang the doorbell, and said Happy Halloween! and told each of the kids to grab a handful of candy. I loved the surprised look on their faces and their surprise that this happened!!

Layla said...

LoveMyGrandsons (85)
So good to see you! We had a very quiet Halloween this year too--not many trick-or-treaters. I was delighted to see one other neighbors really getting into the Halloween spirit this year. He has been stuck at home for a long time (chemo plus CV means he never leaves) and in his boredom he built this amazing maze/catapult thing in his garage. When the kids came by to trick-or-treat, he'd load a bag of candy into one end, and it went through all these flips and slides until finally it was catapulted out the other end for them to catch. The kids loved it, and the adults loved the fact that he dressed up in full Hazmat gear for the night. It was due to his medical condition, of course, but people thought he was dressing up as Walter White from Breaking Bad. Hey, whatever makes them happy!

We had such a fun day! Started off painting pumpkins (Sully painted his tummy instead). Then ordered takeout, and we all dressed up to hand out candy. Not many kids, and our scary movie night was smaller than last year, but we all had a great time. Can't wait for next year.

Anonymous said...

Layla said... 84

Thank you for being mindful of kids with food allergies. I know how hard it can be to have food allergies. Most chocolate is off limits because it's manufactured on the same equipment as candy with nuts. Many other candies on the market are also off limits due to cross contamination. I like to hand out glow sticks instead of candy because it's allergy friendly.

Annie

LoveMyGrandsons said...

Hi Layla! I missed seeing all of the kids out and about having fun, but I loved your story about your neighbor and the candy catapult! What a wonderful thing for him to do and I'll bet he enjoyed it as much as the trick-or-treaters did! I'm sure you took a picture of Sully's body art!

Layla said...

Annie (87)
We always have a bowl of non-candy items available too. My youngest sister was diagnosed with diabetes at age 3, and the whole neighborhood would have special treats her--glittery pencils, Play-Doh, little erasers shaped like animals, etc. That way she was able to trick-or-treat just like the other kids. We do the same, and some kids choose those over candy anyway. Sully was happy to take what was left over. He hasn't had much sugar yet, so he'd rather have fun things to play with (no pencils though. We don't want him poking an eye out). One neighborhood family walked around with dog treats to give to all the canine kids. It was just a great night and there was something special for everyone.

Lynn W. said...

I got a very special treat last night -- I got to meet my third great-grandchild, a sweet little 2 week old girl named Elizabeth. Can't get any better than that in my book.

Layla said...

Lynn W (90)
Congratulations on your new grandchild! They are just magical, aren't they? I bet you just melted when you met her.

Love My Grandsons (88)
Of course I got pictures of Sully's body art! He was so proud of his efforts. He loved his Sully costume too, except for the furry blue feet. He refused to walk with them on. Silly boy.

The neighbor's garage contraption was the hit of the night. I'm happy to hear that he had a special project to keep him busy while quarantined. He's such a nice guy, and everyone appreciated is efforts. He says he's going to use it every year.

BlueJay said...

Y'know with Halloween as it's passed in a different way, I can't say that I recall the Gosselin's ever taking or mentioning taking their kids trick-or-treating over the years.

I did watch an episode where Kate took the kids to an empty movie theater to watch a movie. Man I can't imagine how hard life is going to be for these kids to figure out they can't have things extra special just for them as adults.

I didn't see any treaters out where I live, so we're stuck with a bowl of candy. Fortunately my husband has plowed through most of it--ahem--has he has done every year!


Wonder if Kate did a Halloween party or if for Thanksgiving she'll invite Steve or anything. I don't suspect she has family to invite.

ncgirl said...

https://people.com/tv/mady-gosselin-halloween-costume-photo-with-college-roommates/?utm_campaign=peoplemagazine&utm_content=new&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_term=5fa1db5ca9d968000172046d

Mady dressed up for Halloween with her roommates, and they stayed home.

Layla said...

Blog Troll said (50)
LOL, he's right where most of the country wants him to be...on his way to being fired by the American people.
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Ummm, are you sure about that?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Blog Troll said (50)
LOL, he's right where most of the country wants him to be...on his way to being fired by the American people.
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Ummm, are you sure about that?

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The polls were flat out wrong? Color me shocked.

No matter how this ends up it’ll be hair splitting close which no pool predicted. This was a reckoning. Americans want jobs, no lockdowns, civil liberties and healthy retirement accounts. Americans do not want to defund the police and to be constantly made to feel guilty with false accusations of racism. Minorities came out in record numbers for trump. I guess they value hard work and jobs.

The media and pollsters do not speak for how the average American feels.

Side note, Kate’s stage PA is huge. Trump takes that that’s the ballgame.

Clack said...

Oh wow we were all wrong, kates house is showing pending sale!
I hope they have a massive down payment or paying cash, cause a bank won’t approve that if they offered close to asking.
Wait till inspections come in

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Trump insulted John McCain for three years and lost Arizona--this is his own fault. The other guy isn't sure what day it is or where he is. What a mess.

Good news, the pollsters and media were all wrong in many different ways, so that industry is finally dead. Better news, this is a lame duck old white man presidency with the House and Senate going Republican, and there are some great rising stars ready to go in 2024.

Trump for sure has PA but it might not be enough.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Oh wow we were all wrong, kates house is showing pending sale!

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Could go fast if it's right place right time somebody wants a horse property/hobby farm. Kate tends to have luck!

Could also be a creepy fan who bought it.

Anonymous said...

Obnoxious Regular said (94)
Blog Troll said (50)

Ummm, are you sure about that?
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Unlike your hero in the WH, I believe in counting ALL the votes, so not 100% sure but very optimistic. Any other questions?
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No matter how this ends up it’ll be hair splitting close which no pool predicted. This was a reckoning. Americans want jobs, no lockdowns, civil liberties and healthy retirement accounts. Americans do not want to defund the police and to be constantly made to feel guilty with false accusations of racism. Minorities came out in record numbers for trump. I guess they value hard work and jobs.

The media and pollsters do not speak for how the average American feels.
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1) You don't speak for how the "average" American feels either so stop pretending to be the nation's spokesperson.

2) If accusations about racism are false, you have no reason to feel guilty. Freudian slip?

3) Your definition of "American" appears to be exclusively White Americans. Because Black AMERICANS and other AMERICANS of color aren't too worried about guilt associated with being falsely accused of racism. Your "average American" is White, and therein lies the issue. You and "your lot" cannot handle the shifting demographics of the country.

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1) You don't speak for how the "average" American feels either so stop pretending to be the nation's spokesperson.

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No but the numbers don't lie. Half of America went for Trump. A couple Northeast, Midwest and West coast cities are what will probably elect Biden.

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2) If accusations about racism are false, you have no reason to feel guilty. Freudian slip?

No one wants to be called something as cruel as racist, so I have no idea what you're talking about.

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3) Your definition of "American" appears to be exclusively White Americans. Because Black AMERICANS and other AMERICANS of color aren't too worried about guilt associated with being falsely accused of racism. Your "average American" is White, and therein lies the issue. You and "your lot" cannot handle the shifting demographics of the country.

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Nothing has shifted. Biden barely mirrored what Hillary did, and his small gains probably have far more to do with Trump running his mouth about John McCain and on twitter than any serious issues. Biden will be lucky to get to about 270 on the nose, nowhere near what Trump got last time. And this time around, minorities turned out in record numbers for Trump. YOU don't speak for all minorities. THEY can speak for themselves, they don't need a white person with a savior complex to stand up for them.

Anonymous said...


No one wants to be called something as cruel as racist, so I have no idea what you're talking about.
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Not liking something and feeling guilty are two different concepts. You don't feel guilty if you're falsely accused.

I never claimed to speak for a people of color. No savior co.plex whatsoever -- I'll leave that to the guy who thinks he's done more for the Black community tham any president wirh the poasible of Lincoln.

Anonymous said...


No but the numbers don't lie. Half of America went for Trump. A couple Northeast, Midwest and West coast cities are what will probably elect Biden.
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You're right,the numbers don't lie.
They show that several million MORE Americans voted for Biden. Your "average" American who just so happens to think just like you do doesn't exist. This is a diverse and deeply divided country. There is no "average" American.

Anon2 said...

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 95
No matter how this ends up it’ll be hair splitting close which no pool predicted. This was a reckoning. Americans want jobs, no lockdowns, civil liberties and healthy retirement accounts. Americans do not want to defund the police and to be constantly made to feel guilty with false accusations of racism. Minorities came out in record numbers for trump. I guess they value hard work and jobs.

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Your logic doesn't make sense... if it is "hair splitting" as you say, meaning the count right now is fairly close to half and half. How can you then describe what "Americans want" as the Republican polices when you are literally only talking about half of the vote. And your constant misleading statement about defunding the police as if it means to get rid of the police all together is just typical of the republican talking point of misrepresenting what was talked about in regards to police funding. In the city I live in in Canada, we have mental health professionals driving around with the police (in the same car!) and when a call comes into 911 that involves someone experiencing mental health issues, those are the cars that are dispatched to the scene so the health care professionals are on scene and are protected by the police. I guess we did what you would call "defund the police" when that change was made, but the reality is everyone wins from this set-up. Trump just made it a ridiculous talking point to his supporters to add to all the other bullshit he fed them.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

In the city I live in in Canada, we have mental health professionals driving around with the police (in the same car!) and when a call comes into 911 that involves someone experiencing mental health issues, those are the cars that are dispatched to the scene so the health care professionals are on scene and are protected by the police. I guess we did what you would call "defund the police"


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Thanks for the Canadian superiority but we do that here all the time too. It’s called a 5150 evaluation and potential hold and they’re almost always called in by cops and mental health professionals come out to the scene and assist. Anyone who is talking about the police and this grand plan to bring in mental health workers as if this is some grand new idea is ridiculously uninformed and ignorant. In many other areas cops routinely work side by side with social workers already including in child protection, so frankly they have no idea what they’re talking about.

Ingrid said...

Would the pending sale be waiting on an inspector to look at it first or is that done before claiming pending. An inspection could give the new owner an idea that so much needs updating etc. and scare them away right?

Anonymous said...

From Dmasy --

I am very surprised that Kate has had such a quick result. Though pending does not mean sold. After a sale is completed, the price paid will be public knowledge. Perhaps she accepted a lower amount. My prediction was completely wrong!

foxy said...

Pending could mean contingent on inspection. If the cost of repairs, etc are too great then the pending sale can be cancelled.

Clack said...

Pending only means there was an accepted offer. They still would have to get a mortgage (if they are) once they get the commitment from the bank for the loan, the house will be “under contract”. If they opt for inspections, that’s where she could lose the sale.
I was a realtor 30 some years ago.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

A pending sale already? I guess we should've learned by now to expect the unexpected with Schmoopy's charmed life.

Ann said...

I have a feeling it’s a low offer and she just wants to get rid of the damn thing... let’s see how inspection goes.. a lot of sales fall though because of it... or she can take it off the price.

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I guess we should've learned by now to expect the unexpected with Schmoopy's charmed life.

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Huge credit to her realtor for this one, finding a buyer this niche during a pandemic is harder than finding a Nevadian who can count.

Kirkland said...

Of course it sold right away, and I'm sure she sold it for the asking price. Kate got the benefit of a tremendous amount of publicity, and that's what counts when you're trying to sell your house. Heck, I'm selling my Airstream trailer, I'd love if People Magazine would give me a little publicity. Kate was lucky to get all that publicity. Luck seems to fall in her lap when she needs it.

Twin mom said...

A little psych thoughts for today. There is a huge difference in the two words humility and humiliation. When people feel humiliated, they can become dangerous and can strike out with a feeling as wounded angry righteousness (like narcissistic rage - as what happens in bar fights, road rage, fighting on social media, etc). There may currently be a strong desire for people to want to humiliate a group or individuals because of election results, COVID-19 restrictions, social movements, etc. There are times when it is appropriate to show strength through strong might and other times to show strength through empathy. Perhaps, for the time being, now is a time when we show some humility - not the "lowly" kind but rather treating each other with kindness and respect; freedom from pride or arrogance; and showing strength with sensitivity. Celebrate the "wins" with humility and dignity, without gloating, and show understanding that there are others who will just not feel the same as you.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

If she gets full ask I really hope she puts some aside for the kids and downsizes. They bought this house in the first place. I doubt she will, but I hope she will.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

A little psych thoughts for today. There is a huge difference in the two words humility and humiliation. When people feel humiliated, they can become dangerous and can strike out with a feeling as wounded angry righteousness (like narcissistic rage - as what happens in bar fights, road rage, fighting on social media, etc). There may currently be a strong desire for people to want to humiliate a group or individuals because of election results, COVID-19 restrictions, social movements, etc. There are times when it is appropriate to show strength through strong might and other times to show strength through empathy. Perhaps, for the time being, now is a time when we show some humility - not the "lowly" kind but rather treating each other with kindness and respect; freedom from pride or arrogance; and showing strength with sensitivity. Celebrate the "wins" with humility and dignity, without gloating, and show understanding that there are others who will just not feel the same as you.


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I think most people have always shared that sentiment. But I see a whole lot of Democrats suddenly waxing poetically about peace and acceptance and dignity when four years ago, and for four long years, they dedicated every waking moment to undermining the presidency. But for the media’s polls being off by in many cases TEN POINTS, a margin so absurd as to completely discredit the polls, this would have been a runaway from trump. As it is Biden is going to be lucky to get in by the skin of his teeth, something not a single media outlet predicted. Bottom line the left behaved disgracefully and dishonestly for four long years and now wants the right to just take this in the ass, and I just don’t think that’s going to happen for a lot of them. You reap what you sow. You give what you get. And I find it disingenuous at best to insist that people just let this go. Most will anyway because it’s the right thing to do, which says far more about the right’s character than the left’s.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

You are just like your idol, throwing out wild accusations like a petulant child because you can't handle reality. The polls were wrong in 2016 too, so I guess you that Hillary Clinton should blame pollsters for her loss?

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The media is absolutely responsible for the outcome here and even many liberals admit it. That’s some logic you have there. No Hillary lost because she was a terribly candidate who covered up for a rapist. Trump won despite the polls. But in a race this tight they really matter.

There is no getting around this. Even liberals admit the polls have got to go. Regardless what false predictions polls are making for what outcome, it is not helpful to EITHER side. Heck, perhaps some Biden voters didn’t turn out because they were lead to believe it was a sure thing, when in reality he’s just barely squeaking by. There is just no defending these polls, you sound ridiculous doing so, and Americans deserve better. If it’s become clear year after years the polls are wildly off, why on earth would the media continue to use them? Can you possibly see it’s because the off polls favor their candidate? Trump is also responsible for his defeat, he ran his mouth and turned off some voters (mostly white men, he soared with each and every minority group) so the polls shouldn’t have mattered, but in a race this close again they do.

Don’t be against transparency and a responsible media, you sound ridiculous otherwise.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I didn't defend the polls. I called out ypur ridiculous blame game based on nothing. The polls wete off in 2016. The polls were off in 2020. But accorxing to you, the polls had everything to do with Trump's loss

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Apparently you don't understand the concept that when the margins are razor thin, things that don't matter in a blowout matter much more. Not really difficult to get. There is nothing strange or weird or bizarre about post-analysis of an election and what went wrong and what went right. Even the media are embarrassed by the polls, even the media admits they have egg on their face, even the media admits Trump outperformed in almost every category he was expected not to, and that they were also way off about what would happen to Congress, embarrassingly so. I'm actually for an all-out ban on polls at this point, it's not fair to ANY candidate nor is it fair to voters. Voters deserve transparency, and this election was anything but.

Goodness me, your guy won, I thought the endless bellyaching and snippy attitude would finally stop. Apparently not. I'm looking forward to seeing Biden deliver on everything you say Trump did not. I expect my booming 401k will continue to soar, student loans will be forgiven, racism will stop, we will dismantle the police force, health care will be free to all, the poor and middle class will thrive, the rich will be flushed down the toilet, and we will accomplish this while still lowering taxes. I'm looking forward to it.

(Your lot is hopelessly naive and delusional.)

Ingrid said...

I saw this online. I am not sharing because I am con or pro Trump. Just thought it was funny that it was Kate's hair on his face. Picture

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I saw this online. I am not sharing because I am con or pro Trump. Just thought it was funny that it was Kate's hair on his face. Picture

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Omg that's great lol.

capecodmama said...

That was priceless Ingrid...118. Thank you for that.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

http://www.malibutimes.com/malibu_life/article_bba5a4d8-1ec5-11eb-a0ca-a70c01ddac72.html#utm_source=malibutimes.com&utm_campaign=%2Fnewsletters%2Fheadlines%2F%3F-dc%3D1604849415&utm_medium=email&utm_content=read%20more

I've mentioned how Dick Van Dyke brings joy to his neighborhood in a variety of ways. I recall he's bused people to Disney at times.

This man is the epitome of doing good with your celebrity.

Martha said...

I’m Canadian, we are also implicated in this “election”, as is the world as we have known it. I am very worried. The results are NOT decided: the Electoral College will be the decider, as well as the cases brought to the Supreme Court. The huge Democrook machines are behind the gaslighting. It’s not over yet! And people should not give up. But that is what the machines are trying to do; control the media, all communications, so that the average guy thinks it’s all over. People need to stay involved. I will not give up. There is too much at stake.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I’m Canadian, we are also implicated in this “election”, as is the world as we have known it. I am very worried. The results are NOT decided: the Electoral College will be the decider, as well as the cases brought to the Supreme Court. The huge Democrook machines are behind the gaslighting. It’s not over yet! And people should not give up. But that is what the machines are trying to do; control the media, all communications, so that the average guy thinks it’s all over. People need to stay involved. I will not give up. There is too much at stake.

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I don't understand why Canadians worry so much about us and act like it effects them. It really has little to zero impact on you. The US does not worry about Canada.

If anything things have been quieter than ever the past four years between the US and Canada, yawn inducing. No wars, fantastic economy, no terrorist attacks, thank God. It was about as boring as it could be the past four years, which is what most people should WANT. Let's hope that continues, but I have my doubts. Canadians are as tough as ever on immigration to THEIR country from the USA and other places, but that hasn't changed nor should it.

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Martha said... 122
I’m Canadian, we are also implicated in this “election”, as is the world as we have known it. I am very worried. The results are NOT decided: the Electoral College will be the decider, as well as the cases brought to the Supreme Court. The huge Democrook machines are behind the gaslighting. It’s not over yet! And people should not give up. But that is what the machines are trying to do; control the media, all communications, so that the average guy thinks it’s all over. People need to stay involved. I will not give up. There is too much at stake.
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Good to know that it's not just Americans who are conspiracy theorists. Hate to break it to you, but we held a real election, not an "election." And even the ultra conservative Supreme Court is not going to overturn the will of the people because they don't like the results. Republican lawyers who specialize in election fraud are saying there is no there there. The toddler in the WH simply can't handle the reality that he lost. And apparently many of his followers are equally delusional.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Good to know that it's not just Americans who are conspiracy theorists. Hate to break it to you, but we held a real election, not an "election." And even the ultra conservative Supreme Court is not going to overturn the will of the people because they don't like the results. Republican lawyers who specialize in election fraud are saying there is no there there. The toddler in the WH simply can't handle the reality that he lost. And apparently many of his followers are equally delusional.

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The vast majority of people have accepted this. The outcries of fraud are very minimal. I don't see any stupid pink hat protests or stupid whining all over Facebook like we dealt with for FOUR LONG YEARS from your lot. Republicans have always accepted results good or bad far better than you babies.

Post-analysis of what caused the results, the roles various factors played like the media and polling, is not the same thing as "refusing to accept the results." Again, Ben Shapiro said it best. If Trump loses, it's basically on Trump. He could have just rested on his record and blown this outta the water. That's on him.

I agree with you, there is no there there. You can't overturn an election because Americans were extremely mislead by bogus polling and a dishonest media, that's not how it works. What we could do though is seek to reform the election process so it's more fair and transparent. I don't see why both sides wouldn't get behind that.

pym said...

I don't understand why Canadians worry so much about us and act like it effects them. It really has little to zero impact on you. The US does not worry about Canada.

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I don't dispute that the U.S. doesn't worry about Canada or at least it is seldom reported. But as Trudeau the Senior said, it's like sleeping next to an elephant. No matter what movement the elephant makes, no matter how unintentional, is of great concern. And believe me, the American administration is of great concern to Canada. The issues that first come to mind are softwood lumber, automotive industry, steel, milk and pipelines. All these and more have great impact up here and NAFTA notwithstanding the U.S. policy changes as the wind blows.

Not that I came to argue with you, but I just had to say.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I don't dispute that the U.S. doesn't worry about Canada or at least it is seldom reported. But as Trudeau the Senior said, it's like sleeping next to an elephant. No matter what movement the elephant makes, no matter how unintentional, is of great concern. And believe me, the American administration is of great concern to Canada. The issues that first come to mind are softwood lumber, automotive industry, steel, milk and pipelines. All these and more have great impact up here and NAFTA notwithstanding the U.S. policy changes as the wind blows.


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And you're doing fine. This is exactly the hyperbole we've had to listen to for four long years. Oh this that and the other thing is going to happen, when the reality is, the opposite happened. Not having any terrorist attacks or wars for four years has been VERY good for Canada, given that you always loyally follow us right into anything like that. A booming economy in the USA is VERY good for Canada. Whatever trade deals you're worried about, Canadians economy has been going strong for four years.

If you were some dinky little island next door under US jurisdiction okay I get how you might feel like whatever way the USA blows you might end up in the crosshairs, but you're a first world powerhouse. You don't need the USA to continue trucking on well just like you have been, and USA policies just don't matter that match. I see Canadians worrying about a bunch of stuff going on the in the USA that literally in no way could ever affect them in any way shape or form, it's bizarre. Europe does the same thing. When you go to Europe, people are OBSESSED with the US even though only a few things going on in the US ever really effect them. It's almost creepy.

pym said...

Hyperbole? Pierre Trudeau died in 2000. My comment was not about the last four long years or the last six long days, it was about the nature of our relationship as nations as it has always been. We don't call you The Excited States of America for nothing.

Okay, maybe I am getting a little argumentative now.

Twin mom said...

This is exactly the hyperbole we've had to listen to for four long years.

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FYI Trudeau senior dies quite awhile ago. One of his sons is named Justin. I'm not trying to embarrass you. I assume that you didn't know that there have been 2 Prime Ministers with the last name Trudeau.

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FYI Trudeau senior dies quite awhile ago. One of his sons is named Justin. I'm not trying to embarrass you. I assume that you didn't know that there have been 2 Prime Ministers with the last name Trudea

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I’m well aware of that. Where did I say any different?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

You said "for four long years" in reply to the original poster who was referring to (Le Beau P'tit) PET. Please don't be so defensive. I made an inference based on what you wrote. I assumed you meant JT, who has been Prime Minister for the past four long years.


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Not defensive at all. I was referring to the last four years of Trump, not Canada.

Kirkland said...

Just an FYI - Jon Gosselin is scheduled to appear on Dr. Oz show tomorrow (Tuesday, Nov. 11th). The episode description says "After being accused of physically harming his 16-year-old son Collin, Jon Gosselin ("Jon & Kate Plus 8") reveals what he says happened that day."

And as an aside - Marie Osmond will be on the show on Wednesday Nov 12th, and Thursday it's all about Tiger King.

twin mom said...

OK...that makes sense. I was confused because you were responding to someone's comment about PET. I tried to inference what you were attempting to explain. I got it wrong.

Can you explain what you meant?Again, I apologize for asking you to explain something twice.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Can you explain what you meant?Again, I apologize for asking you to explain something twice.


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Only that some Canadians who get preoccupied with things that have nothing to do with them have been fretting for four years right along with our American snowflake friends that something about what is happening in the US would somehow have some big effect on them. The reality is, little to nothing came of it.

Layla said...

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 114
If she gets full ask I really hope she puts some aside for the kids and downsizes. They bought this house in the first place. I doubt she will, but I hope she will.
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No matter what she gets for the house, part of it should go to each child. The house is still owned by "Katie I Gosselin and CWM Revocable Trust". That means the kids own at least half of it. I'm absolutely certain Jon is watching and will make sure that H&C get their share of the money from the sale. As for the rest of the kids--well, they're a their mom's mercy. I can see her buying a different house with the proceeds and listing it in her name plus the kids' trust, and the kids won't have any claim to it until she dies.

I can't fathom the stupidity of buying that white elephant in the first place. I would never want to take on the cost of maintenance and upkeep. Never. What a waste of money.

Just got home from a quiet family trip to the beach. Too cold to get in the water, but fine for walking on the beach and building sand castles with Sully. Little guy is talking non-stop lately, and his newest word is "beach"--except it doesn't really sound like he's saying "beach". Ahem. We'll have to work on that.

Sad but true said...

Layla said... 135

No matter what she gets for the house, part of it should go to each child. The house is still owned by "Katie I Gosselin and CWM Revocable Trust". That means the kids own at least half of it.
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But she's the trustee! Quite frankly, I'm convinced the reason Kate has decided to sell now (besides the fact that she's no longer got an income) is that this is the only way she can fund H&C's accounts. I suspect she has exhausted ALL of the kids' TLC earnings accounts (those designated as accessible to her for their "upkeep" and which never amounted to much anyway), and she's under water on what is currently owed to the two who don't live with her. I don't believe that the rest of the children will, in the end, see any of the house sale proceeds put into their own accounts. They've still got close to 3 years of living at home. If Kate won't go to work, how else is bare maintenance going to be funded?

Sorry, kids, no more grilled salmon for YOU!

ncgirl said...

https://www.eonline.com/de/news/1206719/jon-gosselin-reveals-the-last-time-he-spoke-to-his-6-kids-that-live-with-kate-gosselin

Jon on Dr. Oz. There's no contact between his side of the family and Kate's side.

NJGal51 said...

Jon is on Dr. Oz tomorrow.

Sad but true said...

Anyone surprised by this? What a bitch.

https://www.eonline.com/news/1206682/jon-gosselin-reveals-the-last-time-he-spoke-to-his-6-kids-that-live-with-kate-gosselin

" . . . Additionally, he alleged that Kate doesn't speak to Hannah or Collin, nor did she contact them to share that she was selling their childhood home. The family bought the Pennsylvania farm house in 2008, when the sextuplets were just 4 years old.

Jon claimed that he learned about their former marital home being listed for $1.2 million through word of mouth, before telling Collin and Hannah the news. "I told Hannah and she was super upset," he shared. "She was pretty much upset that that was her childhood home, her mother selling it, didn't even call her to say, 'Hey, do you want any of your stuff or anything? Hey, I need to sell this house.' There is no contact."

ncgirl said...

My mother watched the interview and told me about it. Jon said Coliin told a therapist Kate tied him to a chair. He also said he encourages his children to tell their story when they turn 18.

Clack said...

Well the episode was cut off to hear about the “affordable” care act being shoved down our throats again. Our insurance went from $300 a month to $1600 during Obama years. Super affordable! Can’t wait!

Anyway, the short part we did hear was very interesting. I love how he calls her out! Anyone that’s ever seen just one episode of Jon and Kate could see who was abusive and who was the calm one.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Sad but true (#139), I can just see TFW dumping H's belongings on the curb like she did with Jon's. She is just heartless enough to do that. And I wouldn't be surprised if she already sold all of H and C's clothes at the consignment shop.

Anonymous said...

Clack said... 141
Well the episode was cut off to hear about the “affordable” care act being shoved down our throats again. Our insurance went from $300 a month to $1600 during Obama years. Super affordable! Can’t wait!
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Yes, how dare the media prioritize reporting on a major Supreme Court case over a Jon Gosselin interview. What were they thinking?

SaraMRN2010 said...

Dear baby Jesus, what the heck did she do to that poor child? Jon's interview was heartbreaking to me....He admitted that C has told several people that she in fact zip tied him! He also said C has a lot of therapist, psychiatrist, nurse practitioner. It sounds like he is taken the steps needed to try and undo what she did. Of course at the end Dr Oz said they did reach out to Kate but they haven't responded. Jon also said that H has contact with the twins but the other kids shun her and C.

Clack said...

Anonymous Yes, how dare they! I’m not buying what the Dems are selling, I find biden Harris to be very uninteresting. They could have played a clip of the conference on the hour, it wasn’t necessary.

I hope the interview will be available online today.

Anne said...

Jon's interview was stunning in how much in control of what's going on Jon is and confirmed everything we've known was happening in TFW's house of horrors. He talked a couple of times about TFW's parental alienation but that now she's succeeded in getting the remaining kids to use sibling alienation on Hannah and Collin. It's sick, how she's manipulated the kids and twisted and contaminated their emotions and core beliefs. my gawd, she's such an evil person!

I think Hannah and Collin have a chance of having healthy long term relationships with others thanks to Jon's efforts, but I don't think there's a chance in hell their womb mates will. Jon's had his head on straight for quite awhile, he's working hard FOR his children, often doing it alone and I can't imagine how hard it's been to continue to fight when it must have seemed everything and everyone was against him.

Oh, and I think Jon said that Collin was zip-tied, by TFW, to a chair multiple times. There's only one place suited for evil people like TFW and that's behind bars. What she did to that little boy (he wasn't then the tall, healthy teen we see in pictures today; he was a sweet, innocent, BOY who wanted to please his mommy and be loved in return) should be against the law and she should pay dearly for the abuse she inflicted on Collin and others.

Jon also confirmed Collin went for 3 years without receiving an education, which is against the law. I'd like to know how TFW, the doctors and the despicable institutions where she imprisoned and hid him, are able to get away with that. Jon just said it was illegal, but nothing more. Admin, does he have to sue for anything to be done? Is it too much to expect the Family Court system would take action on their own? If this happened to Collin, it could happen to other children and for the Commonwealth to turn their backs and do nothing about it is wrong on every front.

Anne said...

Clack said... 145
Anonymous Yes, how dare they! I’m not buying what the Dems are selling, I find biden Harris to be very uninteresting. They could have played a clip of the conference on the hour, it wasn’t necessary.

I hope the interview will be available online today.

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Clack, Dr. Oz must be on at a different time for you than when I see it. The show wasn't preempted for anything for me. The complete interview aired in my area. I hope you can see the whole interview somewhere. Do you have "on demand" on your cable tv? If so,you should be able to find the complete show that way.

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Believe it or not, the media doesn't make its decisions based on your personal interests. It's not all about you.



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No, they do what's in their personal interest. The slobbering all over Biden the past week is creepy at best. Interrupting daytime TV with a run-of-the-mill news story is ridiculous. Get a room.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Poor Collin is being made to sound like an enslaved kidnapped victim. He is going to be VERY lucky if he gets through this and grows into an emotionally stable adult.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Gee, someone sounds like a very sore loser. There has been nothing "creepy." (For the record, there's also nothing "creepy" about citizens of other countries caring about US politics.)

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Nah, it's creepy. It's creepy.

The anti-trumpers reallllly shouldn't throw around accusations of "sore loser". Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. I really wouldn't go there.

Layla said...

It's heartbreaking to hear that the tups with Kate are shunning H&C. They always seemed to look up to H so much, and now they won't speak to her. That's horrible. It's all due to Kate's influence, of course, but it seems that they are buying into her "stand with me or stand against me" mindset. How can you cut off your own siblings? Maybe as adults, if there are definite personality issues, but as children? I hate the thought that they are following Kate's example. If they aren't completely with you, then cut them out of your life. They might end up just like her.

I'm still wondering whether Kate will be able to move out of the state with the 4 remaining kids. She'd love that--it would make the separation and alienation complete. But Jon surely has some say in the matter. Can she get around his wishes? Does she even need his permission? I guess we'll know soon enough.

October is over, so Kate should have already had her court date with Andrea. I hope we get to hear how that turned out.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

It's heartbreaking to hear that the tups with Kate are shunning H&C. They always seemed to look up to H so much, and now they won't speak to her. That's horrible. It's all due to Kate's influence, of course, but it seems that they are buying into her "stand with me or stand against me" mindset. How can you cut off your own siblings?

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I've always found this tragic, but I contend it is made even more tragic by the fact that they are multiples. It is well documented that multiples have a deep connection born in the womb, and I really do think sibling estrangement, although harmful to all siblings, is more harmful to multiples. Any parent that facilitates such estrangement is evil.

clack said...

anne, I found the interview on youtube just now. so sad. it breaks my heart what she did. whats scary is, she zip tied C, who else has been tied up like cattle? the others arent speaking. I hope they are able to get out in the world one day and realize their childhood was abusive. they all need so much help.
I bet she burned H and Cs things when they defected. Jon is right, she should have told ALL of them. so she's going to move, probably out of state (thank god!) and the kids wont know where the siblings are. its so messed up!
Jon looks good, he looks better now then he ever has. like a big teddy bear. but he's much more articulate and mature. too bad the other kids are missing out on what a real parent is supposed to be like.

Anonymous said...

The full invterview is on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YczMv9HlNWo

laurajean

clack said...

anonymous, sore losers? thats rich! are we pushing to get rid of the electoral college? are our college children getting hot chocolate and puppy petting rooms? are right wing celebrities screaming about burning down the white house? are we bitching in pussy hats? are we going to spend the next 4 years trying to undo bidens presidency? no! we arent happy with the outcome, obviously but we arent spoiled children.
when i got annoyed the dr oz show was cut off, i would have been annoyed if it was trump too. nothing important was said. it was more of "we won, suck it, we need to come together BS", but only if we win we come together. if trump won, all bets are off.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

anonymous, sore losers? thats rich! are we pushing to get rid of the electoral college? are our college children getting hot chocolate and puppy petting rooms? are right wing celebrities screaming about burning down the white house? are we bitching in pussy hats? are we going to spend the next 4 years trying to undo bidens presidency? no! we arent happy with the outcome, obviously but we arent spoiled children.


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Exactly right. The vast majority of us moved on within 24 hours of the election and this was even before there was any clarity whatsoever about the final results. We saw where it was going. Some post-analysis here and there, but certainly little to no whining and protests and poo-pooing. Exactly what I knew would happen. And you will see very little to no whining the next four years, watch.

What I just had to laugh at was all the social media posts calling for peace and unity during this transition of power. The lefties only want peace and unity when it's their old white guy in office. When it's ours, it's an all out temper tantrum. I have never in my life seen such hypocrisy. Honestly, four long years of their whining was not fun. It was hell. But OF COURSE they don't want the same thing done to them.

What I find really telling is even FACEBOOK put out a public service announcement explaining that recounts and second looks at election counts was completely normal, expected, and should happen. All that was asked for was transparency, which is a normal thing to ask for and hardly whining. I about fell off my chair to see Facebook defending Trump supporters. Even THEY knew there was nothing wrong with what was being asked for.

Sad but true said...

Layla said... 151


I'm still wondering whether Kate will be able to move out of the state with the 4 remaining kids. She'd love that--it would make the separation and alienation complete.
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I'm not sure how you square what Collin's therapist has reported to the court with Kate's intent (if true) to move out of state. We know, by her own admission, she's encountered CPS many times. But if the therapist has been credited by the court, CPS was obviously of NO help to Collin or any of the other kids.

I daresay she's hoping this will all vanish into the atmosphere. At the same time, I hope that her county's CPS will be aggressive about pursuing the truth with the children who remain in her custody. Obviously, there's stuff they missed.

jakieK said...

It's not surprising how easily she's cut her children out of her life when they displease her. Don't forget she cut her parent, siblings, and friends out of her life years ago. Her kids don't even know their grandparents, aunts, and uncles.

NJGal51 said...

laurajean - Thanks for the link to the interview. It really is sad that TFW has now alienated the kids from each other. One can only hope that they can, at some point, get back together. Maybe the twins, because they have contact with Hannah, can intervene. It is so heartbreaking to see what TFW has done to Collin. I hope that he can pull through. He’s in a home with strong, loving role models and extended family so with that and onto gong therapy there is hope for him. I hope that Hannah and Collin write the first book because there will be a chance of the full truth coming out. I’m afraid the others might try to continue to paint the rosy picture that TFW tries to perpetuate. Jon sounds like he is encouraging them to use their voice if they want to. He came across very well in the interview and didn’t have to resort to TFW’s trademark eye dabbing and crocodile tears. I think that the only reason we haven’t heard anything else from TFWis because what Jon has said can be proven and her allegations are nothing more than slander. That and none of the talk shows really want her. She’s not the media darling she used to be and can’t dictate what questions will and will not be asked.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Both sides have very violent fringe groups. The difference is if Trump has won there would be massive violent protests everywhere from the snowflakes. We know this would happen because they already started once he won Florida the polls were unbelievably inaccurate and even the media was like hmm maybe he’s actually in this. Absolutely nothing like that has occurred from the right. None.

Sad but true said...

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 160

Both sides have very violent fringe groups. . . .
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I think you're responding to a comment of mine that hasn't yet been posted. However, let me just point out that the vast majority of people out among us with guns (lawfully or not) tend to be Republicans. And surely there are plenty of Democrats who have them as well. However, I would argue that the bulk of wrongful gun killings among otherwise law-abiding citizens seem to be coming from the right as opposed to the left. I have no statistics to back up this impression; if you do, please don't hesitate to counter this assertion, and do please post your source(s) here for me to look at.

It is tiring to have to worry about things like this, not to mention COVID (I live in NYS just outside the NYC limits), every f---ing day. I would just like some peace in my time, and I DON'T think that is what Donald Trump represents or was trying to achieve. What is left for him now is only trying to figure out some way to avoid prosecution for his many legal and financial crimes. He couldn't give a shit about the American people.

BTW, I voted for Trump in 2016. More fool me.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I think you're responding to a comment of mine that hasn't yet been posted. However, let me just point out that the vast majority of people out among us with guns (lawfully or not) tend to be Republicans. And surely there are plenty of Democrats who have them as well. However, I would argue that the bulk of wrongful gun killings among otherwise law-abiding citizens seem to be coming from the right as opposed to the left

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I don't think it's worth getting into a gun debate, but the fact is the bulk of gun killings come from inner cities and minorities. Since most minorities are democrat, the bulk of shootings are done by Democrats.

Most Republican gun owners live in rural areas, where crime is very rare as are shootings. Most people with a gun will never ever pull it on someone. It's unfortunate that city-dwelling, far-lefties who have never bothered to even set foot in these areas they so despise think they have any idea how people live out there. They should spend time in places like upstate New York or rural Wyoming, as I have, and maybe they might understand why one might feel much more comfortable about the safety of their family owning a gun. I quarantined for six months in Wyoming, and if anything were to ever happen to us where we were, the average response times for the police is over thirty minutes. Given the choice between dying or owning a gun, many opt to own a gun.

Finally, despite what the media tells you, murders by guns has gone down dramatically over the years as has crime in general across the board. There is no mass gun crisis in the US. Also of note, school shootings have been quite rare under the Trump administration, even before schools were closed for COVID.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

We could argue this 'til the cows come home, but the fact is, being unwilling to rein in gun ownership---again, particularly weapons that were never meant to be used outside a battlefield---has been a HUGE liability for Republicans among the American people and will continue to be so. It would be nice to have a Republican candidate in our time who would just f---ing acknowledge that. Instead, we dodge the issue time and time again, election after election, with a--holes like McConnell and Trump who just WON'T look their NRA gift horses in the mouth.


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Violence in NYC is very easily and obviously connected to the lack of willingness from the left to INCARCERATE, which has been going on years. The left have successfully convinced many that to incarcerate is cruel on the criminals and they should be released (um excuse me, what about the VICTIMS?), and the result, is criminals on the streets and death. That's on the left. They are actually willing to let people DIE for their far leftie prison "reform" policies, and could not care less about someone who is a VICTIM of a crime, which personally makes me vomit. Go defend a child who has been raped, as I have hundreds of times, and then ask me how you feel about her rapist getting out in six months. No amount of gun control is going to stop someone who wants to kill from getting a gun illegally, just like making drugs illegal doesn't stop drug addicts.

There are plenty of Republicans that are in full support of reasonable gun control and don't care what the NRA thinks. As for me, I simply want my friends in Wyoming to be able to continue to carry their gun and protect their family and me when I visit, I don't care about restrictions that don't impact that. It is true that some are not in support of gun control, but that will likely always be true. I'd love to see how St. Biden intends to solve this.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/11/biden-covid-advisor-says-us-lockdown-of-4-to-6-weeks-could-control-pandemic-and-revive-economy.html?fbclid=IwAR09jhm5bYxbtxNeJakvHYii91V2E7arhb1MH5BYl9lQN886D_SFa-h87JE


And three two one here we go. Here comes the lockdown St. Biden PROMISED he wouldn't do.

And just so ya know St. Biden, shutting down our courts again is literally going to KILL foster kids. I'll be arrested before I let you do that to us again.

It's gonna be a long, long four years. Good luck everyone.

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Anne said...

Admin, it goes without saying (although I'm doing just that anyway, smh re: myself), it's your blog, your rules, your decision whether to enforce those rules, etc. But I've got to say, Anonymous posters have always irritated me, but the irritation was virtually nil here because you didn't allow those posts.

That said, what's up with the many recent comments by Anonymous? Are the comments by the same person? Multiple people? Please Anonymous, as rule 1 below says, pick a name. We've all done so, for most of us it was done years ago, so that we all know who we're talking to and can follow conversations.

Thanks, Admin!

Clack said...

Admin some counties here in pa are closing schools again. The kids don’t need this, they are falling behind, mentally they’re falling, this can’t happen again. If I can go to the food store, why can’t kids go to school?
If the kids have elderly grandparents living with them, or anyone with compromised health then they should be able to opt for virtual. But why shut everything down? We won’t have a vaccine available to us regular folks till probably next summer. We can’t do another lockdown!

Anonymous- I can’t wait to find out what she got for it! We should start taking bets, if it makes it to closing.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Admin some counties here in pa are closing schools again. The kids don’t need this, they are falling behind, mentally they’re falling, this can’t happen again. If I can go to the food store, why can’t kids go to school?

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For all the hysteria, there have been less than a hundred kids, NATIONWIDE, who have died of COVID THE ENTIRE TIME WE'VE HAD COVID. Of those kids, almost ALL had underlining conditions and wouldn't have been sent to school anyway.

This is less then the fatality rate of flu for children, but we don't close schools for flu.

It's INSANE and ILLOGICAL to close schools at this point. More kids die each year of child abuse than COVID, but we depend on schools to report child abuse. Even liberal newspapers call this death rate "remarkably low."

In California, one child has died of COVID. ONE. I mean since COVID began!

CC said...

A child in school gets COVID, or goes to school and spreads COVID.... does it stop there?
No. It can spread to other children, teachers, staff...
Now that one (or more) child needs their parent or family member to care for them putting that adult and the rest of the family at risk. As well as the parents of the other children that now got it (if any).
My point? It’s not just ONE child at risk.

My kids are attending school remotely. (High school). Others are hybrid taught. The school posts pics of the kids in school doing various classes etc and in each set of pictures posted there are at least one or two kids wearing their masks below their nose. No thanks.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

A child in school gets COVID, or goes to school and spreads COVID.... does it stop there?
No. It can spread to other children, teachers, staff...
Now that one (or more) child needs their parent or family member to care for them putting that adult and the rest of the family at risk. As well as the parents of the other children that now got it (if any).
My point? It’s not just ONE child at risk.

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Yep that’s always the excuse. Except scientifically kids also don’t SPREAD covid very easily EITHER. I also find it extremely selfish of adults to keep children out of school going on a year now because they’re scared by the media. Unless you are 80 years old, grow up and do what’s best for your kids. If you are 80 years old you should be isolating anyway.

My god even when people were being bombed in ww2 they made sure their kids went to school.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

And another thing, covid is rampant ANYWAY whether kids are in school not in school or doing some sort of hybrid. So wth, if there is absolutely no correlation Anyone can prove, can we just send kids back to school then and grow up? College kids too who also aren’t dying.

You can bet your bottom dollar if the media could prove a correlation they would. They cannot.

NJGal51 said...

They had two positive tests in our local high school and closed the school down until some time in December. My son is a juvenile parole officer and is unbelievably busy because the kids aren’t in school. At least when they’re in school they have some structure in their lives.

I hope that the kids all get their fair share of any money that TFW gets on the sale of the house. Jon can’t control what TFW gives to the kids still with her but I hope that he is keeping an eye on it and that Hannah and Collin get whatever is due to them. I also hope that the twins are smart enough to demand their rightful share of the proceeds.

Clack said...

Njgal you hit the nail on the head, no structure! Especially teens!

If the house is in the kids names as well as hers, doesn’t she have to legally split it? Unless she gets less then what’s owed? I hope for the kids sake it’s not a short sale, they earned that house and then some.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Having no school is the hardest on poor and minorities. It's easy for a city dwelling far lefties rich person to wax on about the "dangers" of COVID, having no idea that a poor Hispanic family doesn't have internet or laptops at their house and can't just put their six kids in "online school".

All kids are harmed by no school, but you are literally robbing the poor and minorities of any hope of a future every day you continue to take it away for absolutely no scientific reason.

The left claims they just love these disadvantaged groups and always act in their best interest. And I find it to be bullshit, at best simply ignorant and out of touch. Unlike most of them, I've worked with the poor and minorities for 13 years, unequivocally they do not have internet and they don't have laptops.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

fucking callous. I told you months ago a 16 year old died with no prior conditions and you called me a liar. ONLY 100 kids have died. Wow.

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It is not callous, it's reality. Time to grow the fuck up.

Of a host of bad options, opening schools is the lesser of the bad options. Do you understand the concept that by closing schools, you also are KILLING children? I can promise you the status PROVE that more kids will die of child abuse than COVID in 2020. PROVE. If the vast majority of child abuse reports come from schools, once one closes a school, those reports stop. More kids will also die of suicide. School is also a tremendous resource in preventing suicide. Take it away, suicides HAVE gone up, that has born out in the stats to a T.

There is also the emotional aspect. How long will you make minority children suffer? Your lot is fucking callous, they could give TWO SHITS about minorities, child abuse, or suicides. It's actually disgusting.

Every day us adults make decisions that involve weighing a host of bad options. For instance, allowing cars on the road, even though dozens of people die from them every day. If you can't understand this, you're an idiot and should certainly not be voting.

Enquiring mind wants to know. said...

I am sick of the nasty fighting on this site... any chance we could get back to kart and her life of narcissism?

For example: 1) locals, are the 4 remaining tups still at the private school? Anyone seen them st the local public high school?

2) where is she living now? Over the garage, North Carolina, a new house?

3) any sightings of Purseboy?

4) has anyone seen her driving her little fancy car? Forgot what model it was. Just that it was a ridiculously unnecessary expense.

5) are the 4 remaining tups driving yet? Do any locals see them around?

While it is true that admin can allow anything here, the election fuckery is over. Live with it. Do not allow this shit to ruin our lives... I am choosing to rise above it. Cant do anything about it now, heading back to my carefully crafted peaceful life.

The only stupid stuff I am marginally interested in is kart's "fuckening"... she earned it and deserves it. Pity the kids...

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

While it is true that admin can allow anything here, the election fuckery is over. Live with it. Do not allow this shit to ruin our lives... I am choosing to rise above it. Cant do anything about it now, heading back to my carefully crafted peaceful life.


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No protests, no whining, no civil unrest, no shooting cops. Most Republicans took the election results in stride, as per the usual, and got on with life, just like we always do. Disagree with it, but accept it. We would be in full on riots right now had Trump won, because snowflakes cannot handle their precious emotions. That nonsense simply doesn't happen from Republicans, there is no getting around that fact.

But we CANNOT shut down, we were promised we would not shut down, people voted under the false pretense we would not be shutting down, and then the first thing that happens is an entire team of people who want to shut down are appointed to the White House. I guarantee you the first day that man is in the White House we're shut down. This is serious, and it matters. A kid like Collin is a great example of the sort of children who suffer greatly under more shutdowns. Do you think his concerning outburst a few months ago had ANYTHING to do with the stress of COVID (hint, almost certainly it did) It is racist to support a shut down, especially when the statistics don't support it, since it impacts minorities the most. I cannot fathom why when a shutdown makes absolutely no mathematical or statistical or scientific sense any which way you slice it, a snowflake would want to do it so bad. They simply cannot correlate an improvement in your numbers to a shutdown, it doesn't happen. You can point to a few countries where numbers somehow went down, but I can show you 50 others who did the same exact thing and numbers went up. Los Angeles is a great example of a city with very tight restrictions that I can attest are being followed very well (it's been ages since i've seen anyone without a mask in public) that has never once been able to make a dent in their numbers. The only explanation for supporting a shutdown is racism.

JoyinVirginia said...

It would be fun to chat about Dancing With The Stars, with Tyra's outfits and a too-loud soundtrack of audience noise, with no live audience. It would be fun to chat about the Bachelorette controversy. Amazing race is back and fun. And Lifetime, Hallmark, and Hallmark Movies and Mysteries cable channels are all three now showing 24/7 Christmas movies!
All of that is a good escape from the reality of an overwhelmed healthcare system. I'm in virginia, and our state is doing ok thanks to a governor who is a pediatrician, and an excellent local health dept director.
These kind of stories are worrisome because they are true. And I think it's wrong to refer to this as a third stage of pandemic. I think the US is still in a first stage, because it's never really gone away. I perform drive-thru Covid testing, most people come thru because they have been exposed to friends, family, or co-workers who are sick.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/11/third-surge-breaking-healthcare-workers/617091/

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Meanwhile, back in reality...50 "Stop the Steal" rallies scheduled tomorrow...


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A couple dozen people holding up a few signs is not mass civil unrest, you idiot snowflake. I could find you a dozen people protesting avocados. Doesn't make it a protest worth even covering.

Back in reality, in contrast your lot whines and carries on for years when you don't get your way.

Anonymous said...

From Dmasy --

Joy (178), we are watching Amazing Race. I read that it was recorded 2 years ago. I wonder how they have kept the secret of the winner. Did they winning team collect their prize two years ago and not spent any to date? Are all the couples still together?

I feel as if I am going backwards in TV time for comfort. I am watching old Columbo mysteries and throughly enjoying them. Technology has certainly changed. Columbo is astonished by a VCR in one episode and solves a mystery with an answering machine in a different story.

I have actually started to do a bit of Christmas decorating. Our new neighborhood seems to have several "deck the halls" homes. I feel inspired!

Wishing health to all. Stay safe.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I also put my xmas decorations out early this year, and I've been a strict "post-Thanksgiving only" gal for years.

Must be the times!

AMYJO said...



Not to mention that most inner city school systems don’t have the resources to provide quality, virtual education. Kids are losing important, lifelong skills and opportunities. The COVID restrictions are reinforcing the cycle of poverty and influencing the social determinants of health for the future (which could have a way more costly impact than COVID long term). If we are supposed to stay locked in our bubbles for the foreseeable future, these issues need to be addressed too and funding directed their way.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Not to mention that most inner city school systems don’t have the resources to provide quality, virtual education. Kids are losing important, lifelong skills and opportunities. The COVID restrictions are reinforcing the cycle of poverty and influencing the social determinants of health for the future (which could have a way more costly impact than COVID long term). If we are supposed to stay locked in our bubbles for the foreseeable future, these issues need to be addressed too and funding directed their way.

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Here's a names have been removed example of a typical family I see every day. Hispanic, live in east Los Angeles. House compromised of Mom, boyfriend/father of baby, four other kids ages 6-12. Other dad is in jail. Adults don't speak English, kids do. Mom and dad work and do odd jobs but a lot of that has dried up during COVID. The kids haven't seen there real dad in 8 months because California jails are closed to visitors, which is starting to get to them. They miss him.

Kids attend public school. LAUSD in their infinite wisdom has shut down for the semester and instructed kids to "go do classes online."

Here's the rub. This family has never had internet, and never will be able to afford the base price of internet 70 bucks a month or risk not being able to afford formula. So okay take them to a hot spot (most of which are in ), so the family sits in their car OUTSIDE the McDonalds to use the hotspot. Now comes the next problem. The family has managed to afford one off-brand tablet at a cost of 150 bucks. But they have four kids who are all in school at once, so who gets the tablet? The school has been promising to roll out laptops and iPads and tutors, but believe me when I say, this never fucking happens. Such a joke. Do not believe a school for one second that they are supplying poor minorities with these things unless you see it yourself--I have yet to meet a single kid who has verified they got any of this shit. BULLSHIT.

The parents do their best to homeschool and have the children do homework even if they're not online, but the parents don't speak english and never had education past 8th grade, so that's a wash.

Now, the kids are bored. Older ones are getting into trouble, committing petty crimes with their friends and dabbling in alcohol and pot.

Now, mom and dad are stressed. They dabbled in drug use and alcohol when they were younger. Now because they're so stressed, they're back at it. Under the influence of drugs, they're hitting each other, and hitting the kids. A neighbor hears the screaming and shouting and calls 911 and CPS gets involved. And the kids are detained and thrown into foster care. Now, the stats for these kids just got all the more dismal. In addition to being hispanic, poor, and have parents who don't even speak english, now they're foster kids--their chances of even graduating high school and making a good life for themselves just plummeted. Their chance of college, slim to none.

All of this could have been prevented by sending the four children to school--the stress off the parents, the financial burden, etc.

Most people who want to "shut down and send kids home" simply aren't grasping all of the implications of that. To a white suburban family who can afford iPods, laptops, and strong internet, shutting down school is just "meh". To this family, it's life and death.

And this is why I say these policies are racist. The fact that you don't go around blasting the N word everywhere, does not mean you are not racist. The fact that you don't even REALIZE you are being racist does not make you not racist. In fact, that's worse.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Society will have to decide how many lives should be traded so that thousands of families just like this one can be okay--but even that becomes somewhat of a hallow argument when it becomes next to impossible to show any correlation between school enrollment and deaths to the general public at large, no more than you can prove that some 80 year old man died of COVID because somebody with the sniffles was shopping next to him at the grocery store. The "science" in all this is being conveniently disregarded.

AMYJO said...

Even hotspots and devices aren’t the answer. They are provided by our inner city school district. It still requires families to have a certain standard of living (a home, electricity, etc.). Plus, so many have been lost, stolen, broken... and there isn’t an endless supply. These kids are also responsible for looking after siblings while parents work outside of the home in order to make ends meet since many childcare options aren’t available. It shouldn’t be an 8 year-olds responsibility to manage education for their household.

I work with an agency that supports kids who are in crisis situations. My caseload is 3-4 times what it was before COVID. I have read that there have been twice as many mental health diagnoses than COVID diagnoses since March. I believe it!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Even hotspots and devices aren’t the answer. They are provided by our inner city school district. It still requires families to have a certain standard of living (a home, electricity, etc.). Plus, so many have been lost, stolen, broken... and there isn’t an endless supply.

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Another thing a lot of people aren’t understanding is that it depends on what internet is available in your area. Even people I work with who can afford the best internet packages depending on where they live struggle with connections when two kids and a spouse are also all on video calls for their work and school. So it’s not like anyone can just pay for cheap wifi and it’ll work for the whole house nor is there any promises expensive wifi will work either. I’ve used hotspots abroad and they are good for looking up a few things now and again and that’s it and they frequently go down.

Honestly for as advanced as we think we are we are still in the horse and buggy stages of wifi. The technology and cost is not there yet.

The shut er down lot is hopelessly clueless and racist.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Dear anonymous please point us to the science that shows cancelling schools saves lives. Oh wait, you can’t. It doesn’t exist.

Oh and didn’t they just offer yet another change in what masks do or don’t do? Come on, everyone except you agrees the science is all over the place, not for lack of trying. The only difference is apparently your lot has never taken a basic statistics class. Infuriating how ridiculous your lot is at understanding basic math.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Dmasy (#180), for some cozy nostalgic TV, I'll see your "Columbo" and raise you the "Patty Duke Show!" They just started airing it 2 weeks ago on FETV. It premiered in 1963, and Patty Duke had already won an Oscar for playing Helen Keller. Saw a fun guest star playing one of Patty's friends: the late John Spencer, who was Bartlett's VP on "West Wing." He was adorable!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

The photo I saw looked like a couple hundred, but for argument sake, I'll give you 2000 people protesting. Out of a population of 382 million Americans.

So that's less than 0.01 percent of the population disgruntled. In other words, statistically insignificant.

Your math has always been your weak suit.

Why can't you own that all the whining and complaining and protesting has come from your side? Own it.

Meanwhile back at the ranch, Nancy Pelosi and the old rich racist white Democrats have asked all of us poor and minorities to cancel our Thanksgivings, meanwhile they set up welcome dinners and gatherings to the new class of congressman in direct violation of COVID orders. Care to comment?

Anonymous said...

Get your vision checked

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/dc/million-maga-march-pro-trump-demonstrations-in-dc-saturday/65-f5874443-241d-48cd-80bb-91f774883e37

capecodmama said...

In my town, several students were required to quarantine because they had positive COVID tests. But guess what! The superintendent flat out refused to shut down the schools. She said the students were six feet apart from their classmates and everyone at school is required to wear masks. She said back in the spring that school would be open in the fall. And she was right. K-6 has been in school full time (except Wednesday), since the day after Labor Day. 7-12 is learning remotely. Seems to be going well and no one’s having a hissy fit. Our Governor issued a mask mandate back in March which is still in effect but cases now are skyrocketing. They’re saying it’s because of young people gathering together. Who knows. And this is a very liberal state. I do know people are in my area are fed up. I don’t think the experts have any idea what’s going to happen.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


In my town, several students were required to quarantine because they had positive COVID tests. But guess what! The superintendent flat out refused to shut down the schools. She said the students were six feet apart from their classmates and everyone at school is required to wear masks. She said back in the spring that school would be open in the fall. And she was right. K-6 has been in school full time (except Wednesday), since the day after Labor Day. 7-12 is learning remotely. Seems to be going well and no one’s having a hissy fit. Our Governor issued a mask mandate back in March which is still in effect but cases now are skyrocketing. They’re saying it’s because of young people gathering together. Who knows. And this is a very liberal state. I do know people are in my area are fed up. I don’t think the experts have any idea what’s going to happen.

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Sounds like people in your town understand how to read statistics. So kids got sick, statistically, overwhelmingly, they’ll be fine. If they are high risk or around high risk people it’s every family’s responsibility to decide how they want to manage that. But you don’t get to throw a fit over statistics that overwhelming do not even support your fears and make millions of people suffer for it in many other ways because you are an alarmist who can’t do math.

Just like the fact that some people die from toasters every year does not make toasters inherently dangerous, so too is covid not inherently dangerous to children even though some have died. For some reason it’s really hard for some people to grasp this rather simple concept.

Anonymous said...

Just like the fact that some people die from toasters every year does not make toasters inherently dangerous, so too is covid not inherently dangerous to children even though some have died. For some reason it’s really hard for some people to grasp this rather simple concept.
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For some reason you can't grasp the simple concept that the issue with schools is about family and community spread. It is not unreasonable to weigh the pluses and minuses and fall on the side of believing achools should be open in-person. What is unreasonable and driven by a political agenda is denying the risk and labeling those who land on the other side from you as racists. People can differ on what is the best option among bad alternatives without being evil racists. Nobody *wants* schools closed. If you think remote teaching is a blast and a never ending paid vacation, you have never spoken to a teacher.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


For some reason you can't grasp the simple concept that the issue with schools is about family and community spread.

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No, I do grasp that, which is why I said every family needs to take responsibility for their children. For instance, if your child is going to school every day, you can take steps to ensure your child does not interact in close proximity with elderly or high risk family and friends. Parents can parent their children just fine without you and the nanny government telling them how they should handle their children. It's none of your damn business.

You also can't grasp that the SCIENCE also shows that children don't even SPREAD covid easily, in addition to not catching it much or if they do, mild symptoms. The assumption that children't don't get COVId, but spread it just like adults do, is simply false. Science, it's your friend.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Hey I thought social distancing and masks work. Why then is COVID spreading like crazy?

Um, is it possible....this shit your lot has been pushing actually does NOT work? Eh, then you'd have to eat crow, which your lot is incapable of doing.

capecodmama said...

Admin...I forgot to add in my post that families had a choice to either send their kids to school or learn remotely. About 400 families opted for remote learning. I know someone who has two daughters with kids in the school system. One daughter is a nurse and the other daughter is a town police officer. The nurse actually worked on the COVID floor during the height of the pandemic and she has her kids in school. The police officer opted for remote. I know a few teachers who are teaching remotely and they all have said the kids need to be in school and are learning nothing remotely. My son-in-law is a special ed teacher and he says the kids are so behind it isn’t funny. What a freakin mess. And for the record, my oldest daughter is a nurse at a hospital in Boston. She works in the cardiac/thoracic unit which couldn’t shut down but heart surgery is essential. She ended up getting COVID from a patient. Very, very mild case and her husband and two boys didn’t get it. My grandson started kindergarten this year remotely. He does not like it. He is in school now Mon/Tues half day. Remote the rest of the week. Absolutely loves being in school. On Monday they finally start going Mon/Tues/Thurs/Fri half day, Weds remote. He can’t wait. Neither can my daughter or son-in-law who is the Special Ed teacher.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Omg just days after our idiot ca governor tried to tell us we can’t spend thanksgiving with our families (none of the government’s damn business who people want to spend the holidays with) he was caught at a HUGE BIRTHDAY PARTY.

He’s toast. He’s being BLASTED.

The snowflakes have officially lost all credibility.

Ann said...

Admin... true but they never seem to vote these people out... it’s the doing the same thing and expecting a different result crap....whats the problem in that state?

Ann said...

I find it unbelievable that they can dictate how you spend your holidays... how many people you’re allowed... and that u have to be outside. Am I living in the twilight zone?

JoyinVirginia said...

Doesn't have anything to do with what we have been discussing, it's just an interesting article.
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