Friday, November 3, 2017

Recap: Kate Plus 8 "The Finale": Move over, Angelina Jolie

Still finishing out the last few remaining recaps I haven't done and we now come to the series finale, from September 2011.

If you're wondering why there were about 30 new episodes of this God forsaken mess that aired long after "The Finale" aired, well, you should be. As you may recall from long, long ago, this show really did have a pretty big cancellation announcement six years ago, with tears and regrets and fans in a tizzy. It was 2011, just a hair before television really started to change, for the better (for the most part). There are a lot more platforms to get a series on television these days, and television has been expanding, giving viewers a lot more choices and niche genres. Shows regular networks never would have taken a chance on have thrived on services like Netflix, Amazon Prime or Hulu. This expansion has left a lot more room for shows to get their reunion episodes, or for many, a total revival.

Back in the day, if your series were cancelled, you really were cancelled. You would never be heard from again other than the $9.99 DVD bin at the grocery store. A few very good series got a reunion episode or two, or even a movie, but that was rare.

Some of these revived shows they've put together recently are simply charming and a wonderful throwback, like Full House or Gilmore Girls. Others should never have been messed with, like Boy Meets World and Will and Grace. Kate got her revival too, starting back up again in 2014 to the present, and it never should have happened. The kids were older and more outspoken and disgruntled, and as we now know during much of this time, Collin was having such serious issues he is no longer living in the family home. The family should never have gone back on T.V. post-2011, but here we are.

An unintended consequence of this sea change is that revived shows like Kate Plus 8 seem to be surviving on much lower ratings than they ever could before, and new episodes are being ordered, albeit on obviously lower budgets, when they never would have been before. Voting with your remote doesn't seem to make much of a difference these days, with such low audiences. So in sum, the changing T.V. landscape is great for most shows, but breathes life into a few that shouldn't be here, with little to no way for viewers to get them off their screens.

Another interesting thing that seems to have happened is networks don't seem to be making grand cancellation announcements anymore, not usually anyway. Probably because they want to leave a door open. I'm not even really sure if Kate Plus 8 got the axe again this year; TLC was never really clear. For those whose incomes depend on their series, not just the talent but the local production companies, such treatment is rather cold, but as we learned now more than ever recently, Hollywood is more self-interested and devoid of any morals or accountability than we ever imagined.

Predictably, this show is going to be full of old clips we've seen before, some many times before. But they also do an unusual format for this show where some of the major players sit down for a one-on-one interview, like Steve, Ashley, and Jamie, who remarks that she always tells Kate she's not Angelina Jolie. Baw, she's pretty good sometimes.

Interestedly enough, old clips of Jon are shown, which invokes legal implications, like possibly having to pay him again. I wonder how that all shook out and whether he noticed and demanded his check.

This aired just after the infamous RV episodes, so we're going to rehash all the drama of those. You can review my recaps here and here if you're interested in the finer details, but the short story is Kate actually thinks she did everything on the RV trip and was pleasant at it too, and that was really f-ing obnoxious to those who actually were doing it all and exhausted, like Ashley and Jamie.

Kate is actually blaming her nasty troll-like behavior on that trip on stress and the hot weather. Classic not taking responsibility for her role as chief instigator.

I like how the Kiwis say tense. Sounds like "teens."

This segment goes on and on.

Jamie I think at her heart is a good person with a good head on her shoulders, despite her misguided friendship with Kate. Jamie says fine blame it on stress, but the reality is that is no excuse to treat the people who love you and support you the most poorly. Well, right! Also, I really like how the producers obviously interviewed Kate first, then went tattle-taling to everyone else about what she said to see what they would say. Heh!

This reminds me of a scene in the upcoming season of The Crown, which has had a great opportunity to show itself off thanks to the changing landscape of TV I was just talking about. It is one of the best series I've ever seen, a slow but delicious plod month by month through Queen Elizabeth II's life starting at age 20. (It will go on many seasons as long as it continues to do well. We're only up to her early 30's now.) In it Queen Elizabeth appears to be irritated by everything going to shit around her--the prime minister resigning, her sister on all the front pages of the tabloids, her mother always on her case. All of this makes her job harder. And Phillip, her husband, stares her down and asks her if it occurs to her that she has people in her life who are there for her no matter what.



"If only," Elizabeth replies.

I think Elizabeth has grown tremendously as she's aged, and learned a lot in particular since Diana's death. She wouldn't say something like that now, but I think that incapsulates her when she was younger. And much like Kate, who is also an "if only" person despite being surrounded by those who love her unequivocally, E-2 struggled to grasp and respond to normal love and friendships. It was all duty, country, and preservation of the crown.

The only thing I can say to the lovely Ashley is just get out. This is a toxic relationship no matter how much you love the children and it's never going to change.

Kate is truly, truly a cold woman. When viewing Ashley's outburst on the RV trip afterward, she calls Ashley "over-dramatic." She's outrageous. Can't she just keep that comment to herself and just try to mend things with a nanny that the children love? So unbelievably selfish. She fits right into the industry she so wants to be a part of.

Ha, Ashley says she regrets not saying more on that trip. Good for her.

Steve admits that he too had thought about leaving but he committed to this trip. So noble. Jamie kind of considered it but didn't want to hurt any of the kids including her own so she stuck it out. That's just maturity is all.

Kate says funny enough she and Ashley have never even had a small disagreement before. That's because, doofus, someone like Ashley puts the kids first and hasn't said how she really felt all this time. That was good for the kids, but not for Ashley. It's clear her outburst had been building for years.

It's hard to tell whether they're really going to patch things up or not but Ashley said they did have small talk conversations a few times since and Kate has said she is welcome anytime. Well Kate isn't about to let a lackey go just like that no matter how big the fight was.

Benevolent Kate says she still loves Ashley, Ashley can do no wrong, and it's up to Ashley whether she would like to keep on loving them in return or not. It's unbelievable how insane Kate is. Why can't she understand this has nothing to do with Ashley's love for the children, and everything to do with a young woman finally finding her voice and developing her own personal boundaries? Ashley's maybe 23, 24 here, I don't know. Point being she's around the age where a young person is really delving deep into their feelings and getting to know who they are and what they really want out of relationships even platonic ones. This is the age where you might decide to leave an old friend from high school behind because they've become an alcoholic, finally estrange a parent who is cruel and abusive, and around the time when many people say they had their first "real" relationship with a boyfriend or girlfriend. But love is not something you can just shut off like a faucet. Even if Ashley decides she can no longer be around the family, I can promise you she will always love the children. When love becomes too much to bear because either the person you love or someone around who you love is making you miserable, everyone must eventually make a tough choice.

That wonderful University of Phoenix ad plays again. "What if I swore I'd succeed so you could wake up one day with the choice to be anything you wanted?" Bawling! Bet that hard-working grandma never spent one second wallowing about some sexist pig in the office and posting trite "#Metoo"'s on instagram, and instead just told him to buzz off and then got on with it.



At the time they interviewed the kids for this last episode, no one knew this show was ever coming back. An off camera producer asks some of the sextuplets how they feel about the show ending. The kids look confused by this question. They blurt out canned answers like it's sad, but tellingly, are unable to articulate what about this that is so sad. In fact Alexis says she's sad because she's sad. Wow, the kid doesn't understand this, like, at all! I think they are either so used to this show they don't even realize what it means for it to be over, or if they do this means really nothing to them. But I don't believe they truly feel sad about this, so this idea the show must carry on because the kids need it, as Kate has suggested, is nonsense.

Kate says they owed viewers a last episode that tied everything up. I don't know what that means, tying up your real life as if there's loose plot lines that still need to be resolved like it's the The Walking Dead. But they don't owe the creepy fans anything, and that's step one of her problem.

Kate actually doesn't look sad to me either, even though she says she is. I can literally see the creaky ole botoxed wheels turning, I think she has something in mind that will bring in lots of money after this is over. Most likely a spinoff all about her, maybe a stint as a host on a talk show, some kind of wildly successful product line. She did try things like this after the show was cancelled and absolutely nothing panned out, but point being I think she thought at the time this was the start of her next even better career where she can finally ditch these kids. I swear to God, there is a glimmer of excitement in her eyes she can finally move on to other things.

Weird spa music is playing in the background. I want someone to crack my shoulders!

They show a little bit of Jon and Kate recording the opening segment from the original show, which I actually find rather interesting, because if anything it shows that they are doing what looks like dozens of takes. Jen is there, being a very patient and supportive producer. When they let us in to little behind the scenes moments like this, it becomes all the clearer how heavily produced this show was no matter how much Kate has tried to deny it. It is no wonder a boy with special needs could not thrive to his fullest potential under such conditions.

Kate gives yet another explanation for why they're on T.V. and I swear I've never heard this one before. They owe it to the little old grandmas who sent them 10 bucks here and there. Kate needs to let them know they're doing okay. Huh? Who old ladies what? And why can't you pick up the phone and call your supporters and let them know how you're doing, or get everyone's addresses and send a stupid Christmas letter update every year with a photo? How do you even know these old ladies have cable? I wonder if she's updated the little old grandmas on Collin. He's not doing well, ladies.

Oh, burn, Jamie says the person she met at Reading hospital (I didn't know they met at Reading hospital, was that where the multiples support group was?) was kinder and gentler. Now Kate is all about TV, how skinny she is and what she's wearing. I really can't believe Jamie is saying this! This is the juicy shit you say on secret video tapes to your biographer not to be played for forty years. What's next, Jamie hates Martin Luther King, too? Jamie must have been really upset about the RV trip to just blurt all this out like this. Wow.

Kate says about a million times there's no going back from this. Oh, that's just silly. Americans are the most fickle audiences ever and with rare exception, quickly forget about shows they watched and has-been celebs they were fans of. Try it. Name a T.V. show that was cancelled two years ago and two of its stars. Bet you have to think long and hard, because viewers just forget that stuff and move on to the next show.

A bunch of creepy footage of paparazzi.

I don't remember this story at all, Kate says they did a T.V. spot and a man was hanging around them and putting the kids in his lap. What?! Who was this creep, how did this happen, and why didn't they call security or even the police? Surely even small TV stations have at least one security guard. And shouldn't this have been a huge, huge red flag to you this industry is very dangerous for children? So many questions, no logical answers. After that Kate knew she needed a booby-guard.

Lol, I love when these talking heads unintentionally insult Kate. Steve says he quickly realized after booby-guarding for Kate there was some notoriety here. Heh.

Jon was always ready to quit the show, says Kate. I think that is a pretty big revelation, because a lot of fans have implied that he up and quit just to spite Kate during the divorce. In fact, Kate has unintentionally admitted, quitting had been brewing for him and was no sudden matter or bore any connection to trying to slam her in the divorce.

What's an episode without Kate getting a chance to slam her parents again? Kate rarely if ever left the state growing up and she wanted something different for her kids. Wouldn't you remember whether you left the state or not growing up? And boo-freaking hoo you never went anywhere. It's not like Pennsylvania is 100 square miles. It's a huge beautiful state, with endless things to see and do. You could spend a decade there and never even get close to seeing everything. Also, parents do not owe children trips out of the state. The bigger question is did her parents do the best they could with what they had? Did they do their best to teach their children good values? Did they enrich their minds with good schooling, plenty of books and music? Did they teach and show them love?

Her dad is or was a pastor. No matter what your beliefs are, religious leaders are usually a noble profession and most are very good men and women who often do a whole lot of schooling to not get paid very much. I've never heard one ounce of gratitude for the role he has played in her community. If her dad is like most pastors, he's probably sat up with a family for 18 hours while their toddler gets heart surgery, held the hand of a grandmother dying of cancer and read her scripture, coordinated help for a family who lost everything in a house fire. You're a first responder to the spiritual side of people, and on call all day and night. Nothing, nothing at all ever from Kate about admiration for this?

I think her parents just popped a lemon with this one, because from the bits and pieces we've seen of some of her other siblings, they seem like decent people. I highly doubt her parents were sitting on a pile of money refusing to spend it on the trip Kate wanted to Florida out of spite. Kate is lucky she had a roof over her head, a full belly, great schools and sports, the best medical care around, good friends and a nice safe small town to grow up in. Some families would kill for such a cookie-cutter place to grow up. What an ungrateful waste of space.

Kate said she thought of the kids twenty years from now and what they would think of her decisions, and that influences her choices. How dare she speak for what her kids will think about their lives 20 years from now and how dare she assume her 30-year-old children will be just fine with her decisions just because she thought of what they would think in advance. And how convenient for her that she insists the decisions she makes just happen to be the ones a 30-year-old Gosselin kid would fully support, given that there is no 30-year-old kid yet to consult. What a nut job! It's really not her place to speculate how the children will feel and it's insulting. And if you're paying attention, the narrative has changed again. The show was supposed to be for the little old ladies. Now I think she's realized that answer is stupid, and so she's moved the goal posts to say that if she doesn't do the show her kids will have a piddly growing up existence like she did and because she resents it she's sure they would too. What an assumer and an ass-hat. She needs to read Christopher Robin Milne's books about being haplessly thrust into fame when he was in grade school. All he wanted, all he wanted in the whole world, is to just be a normal boy no kid knows, and get his parents back, his toys back, and his damn woods back. One could just as easily assume a Gosselin kid might grow up and all they want in the world was to have a normal childhood to look back on. Why not assume that just as easily?

Kate says the show has been a great opportunity to "travel" the kids. Travel them? How about, it was a great opportunity for the kids to travel? Awkward phrasing, she makes it sound like the kids are objects, which she's done on several occasions, so this is not a fluke.

Point being, no one knows how these kids will eventually feel about their childhoods, not us, not even their mother. So then why risk it? Why not just give them a normal childhood so you'll never have to worry that they might not eventually like their extremely abnormal one? Selfishness and greed on her part is the answer to this rhetorical question. The only sad thing is she can't admit she exploited the kids for her not for them, and that the grown children may have the biggest problem with of all.

Kate pats herself on the back for about five minutes about how she did it all by her lonesome when the kids were little, again leaving out Jon and the helpers.

People told her they would have liked to just stand at their window and look in. What creepy person said this and was her name Gladys?

One of the few things Kate says that is correct is that over time viewers fell in love with the kids. I think that's true for most fans and non-fans alike. We had some buy in with these kids, we like them even though they have faults, some more than others, and the faults they do have we understand are directly related to an exploited childhood and terrible parenting and therefore forgivable. So, she understands viewers genuinely have a stake here. But doesn't seem to understand much else. The fact that Collin is just gone, poof, for so long, is truly upsetting to fans and non-fans alike, and that's directly related to the years viewers spent watching him grow up and giving a tiny piece of the T.V. portion of our hearts to him. The little bones she throws out there about him are toying, manipulative behavior, like a cat with a mouse, and that's really screwed up.

Kate says she and Jon had vastly different views on how they see the world, which is why the show was interesting. That's true. Here's a little hint, if you and your boyfriend or fiance can't agree on anything, your marriage is very, very unlikely to work. Frankly that goes for Jon too. He should have called this off or spent longer dating her before putting a ring on it. He was only 22, he could have waited another decade to make sure this was right. Now he's paying. Makes for good T.V., but a bad marriage.

Steve says he thinks couples would watch this show and say, thank God I'm not as useless as that. Implying Jon?? Useless? Oh my God! What a jerkwad! Was he paying attention at all when he watched these episodes? Jon did it all including working and caring for the kids and Kate accepted coffee delivered to her bedside when she woke up, then put the kids behind bars all day and gave orders and freaked out about $10 off coupons. No, couples were saying thank God we respect and appreciate each other like she doesn't and are good to our children.

Kate admits after a producer comes up with the idea that maybe the kids like watching the old episodes to see her and Jon together. Well, that's a rather sad though probably true thought and never anything Kate would have come to on her own because she has no feelings.

Apparently Kate's kids are like no other kids in the world and can remember all these things they did as if they were 10, not toddlers, says Kate. Well, we've since learned that's a load of malarky. In the recent trivia episode the kids really struggled to remember much about the show at all. So doing this for the trips was mostly pointless for them. What else ya got?

Lol, Kate is blaming her totally unacceptable behavior on editing. She also blames her nastiness on, get a load of this, the kids asking too many questions of her. She actually says this. She's too much. Poor Kate, no other mother has ever had to deal with why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why. Well maybe they have, but I bet you not times six! So there!



Mady is parroting Kate's reasons for what she liked the most about the show. We never had time to make our own home videos, Mady echoes. Well, we know that is malarky too, since at Mady's 16th birthday, Kate herself admitted that she was filming every day once the twins were born, and even put together a very long compilation for their birthday. I'm sure there was less time for that once 6 babies were here, but we still saw home videos of them she or Jon took, and surely just whipping out a little camcorder and taping a few moments is far less time consuming than organizing the taping over several days with an entire camera crew. Come on!

She talks about the kids' favorite things and Collin's is the chickens. Aw. She got rid of that little boy and got rid of his favorite things next. Wth, lady!

Alexis has absolutely the most darling Anna Wintour haircut. I never remember seeing that before or since but it's nice to see her have some individually for once.

She's defending cupcake gate again. Man, that incident really bothers her the most of all huh? She says just the other day some of the kids didn't get their cupcakes. That is a stubborn and defensive thing to say. She is twelve.

Kate is still boo-hooing about a divorce that even in this episode was a long time ago. She works up some tearless tears. She says she couldn't make Jon want to be there. Um, it's not that Jon doesn't want to be "there." Jon just doesn't want to be with you, doofus, and since you're always "there" that becomes a problem now doesn't it. And wait a second, didn't she file for divorce? Lol!

Kate is in agreeance over the divorce. Gaa, that word. Well that's good to know, because she was the one who filed.

Kate is defending herself about the divorce again saying they had to do it in public and she did so tastefully and they would have gotten divorced show or not blah blah. There was absolutely nothing tasteful about her embarrassing purseful of bills pity tour and all the below-the-belt comments she made about Jon in various venues. It was pathetic and self-serving. It was basically like Grey Gardens tasteful.

That tough as nails grandmother commercial is back again! I really remain perpetually in awe of the Greatest Generation and what they endured in the name of freedom, especially those who were kids and endured months of bombings straight or in the alternative were sent up north to live with total strangers. I fear we are no longer honoring their sacrifices and have become far too tolerant of the crap they sought to end once and for all, and my God are our feelings ever hurt just like that. I really recommend the Imperial War Museum if you are ever in London. It's comprehensive, incredibly moving, and free. For kids who don't know much about civilian life during WW2, I hope this commercial causes them to ask their parents, what was that bombing about when she was a kid?

Ashley saw the divorce coming a mile away but was in denial, like it was her own parents. Ashley, bless you, but a blind and deaf centipede could see this divorce coming.

I hate when people do what Kate does when telling a story and ask themselves questions and then answer them themselves immediately after. Was I proud of that no? Did I love that? No. Would I like a grilled cheese for lunch? You bet.

Annoying.

The editors are being mean here. When Kate remarks she and Jon have different parenting ideas, they show Jon texting on his phone while Hannah is trying to ask him something. Maybe it was an important text, or something to do with the kids or work. Or even if it wasn't you don't have to leap to attention every time your kid demands something of you, as long as there's a balance. It's fine kids know there are other things going on for their parents besides their spoiled children. How about tell the kid, I just need 30 more seconds to finish up this text I was writing before you started talking to me and then we will talk, okay baby? It's good for them to learn to wait.

Like no parent has ever been on their phone before while their kid is talking to them, including Kate herself. Stop it. In later years, the editors were far more fair to Jon and could be mean to Kate. It's clear they've come around.

There's a whole lot of rambling and fluff here about the divorce, like it just happened. Keep in mind, even in this episode it was three years ago. Yeesh.

The vow renewal episode was not a hoax, Kate insists. A hoax? That's a strong word. I think we just said they knew then they were separating even while taking that free trip, that's all. What's next the vow renewal is going to show up on snopes.com? Eh, I'll call this rumor MOSTLY TRUE.

Kate can't bring herself to say she does not regret the marriage because of the kids she got out of it even though the statement was spoon-fed to her to say. She hates Jon more than she loves her kids.

Did Kate actually just say Jon was there for the family and did anything she asked of him to do. Wha-what! A moment of clarity. Good, glad she said that. Now go tell your lackey Steve and the idiot sheeple to stop re-writing history.

In a flashback, Kate and Jon have a light-hearted laugh over some of the kids insisting they are more Korean than others. I feel like this conversation would be extremely offensive to snowflakes in 2017. They would probably start a hashtag campaign, or want somebody fired.

Oh lovely, the kids nickname that crew member who never showers "Stinky." That is hilarious to a kid, but should be horrifying to a parent. He probably smells like pot, too. That's crew members, folks.

Kate admits there is only one original member of the crew left. Well, that's not surprising at all. Crews come and go. Better or more interesting projects come along, or promotions, or career changes. The idea the children should be encouraged to have such real bonds with such a transient lot is very concerning.

Hm, um um I guess Kate says she will have to get a job now. Uhhh ya think? Go to work, you able bodied woman. Good Lord. Lol, the future holds T.V. and media for me, says Kate. She's so arrogant. You have to get somebody to put you on T.V. first. Oh and um thank you to the cheerleaders, says Kate. Who? Is she talking about the fans, the helpers, both? Could she be a little bit more specific when thanking people?? Why is Kate fake crying? She's not sad at all. She clearly thinks she's winning an Emmy for whatever her next project is.

Without the show Mady says she would have to sit at home and stare at the walls. I'm sure that's the lie her mother tells her. She'll resent this coaching someday. I wonder when Mady realized that not having a T.V. show does not mean a very full and enriching life is cut off from you. And with a little effort a parent can provide endless fun and enrichment that is either cheap or free. A middle class or even poor child can have a good and happy life and the idea that Kate keeps implying that the only path to happiness is to do what she did is nothing but insulting.

This is a long recap. Thanks for bearing with me. It was a full 42 minute episode unfortunately, but it was full of rather notable comments and revelations that just couldn't be glossed over. When Kate is allowed to just run her mouth, recapable stuff always seems to diarrhea out.

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AuntieAnn said...

I think she's trying to cash in on the meeeeetoo trend, which is sickening considering there are real, tragic stories of abuse that are being diluted by women like her who are supposedly traumatized for years by horny actors. Maybe you get Special Mention at the Oscars if you're married to a superstar's attorney. IDK.

I wonder whether Meryl really read the book or if she just left it on her nightstand. Some people will do that. (hi, Kate)

On a related subject I read a comment on another site about The Keepers, that said IF a movie was to be made about the horrors at Keough, Glenn Close should portray an ACTUAL victim, Jean Wehner...but Meryl Streep would probably get the part. And I think they're probably right about that.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


I think she's trying to cash in on the meeeeetoo trend, which is sickening considering there are real, tragic stories of abuse that are being diluted by women like her who are supposedly traumatized for years by horny actors.

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Also sickening is she distracted from the story that is actually alarming. That Richard's son was ASSAULTED by Kevin Spacey when he was 18. Oh and just for shits and giggles, Spacey at the time was RICHARD's boss. How's that for a turning of the tables?

I mean seriously, you have to jump on THAT? It didn't occur to her, gosh gee this is probably one of the worst things Richard has ever heard in his life. Maybe instead of hitting him in the kneecaps, I should deal with my bruised little snowflake self in another way other than public humiliation?

AuntieAnn said...

That what self-absorbed people do. Never mind Richard's son, what about ME. Look at ME. I saw his dad's penis in 1986!!!!

Another hot-house orchid.

GollyGee said...

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 193

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Meh. What's the expression? We all shit the same.

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In a way, yes. But, many are buying the Squatty Potty from Shark Tank and having much more productive s****.

Sorry, Admin, I couldn't resist!

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

That what self-absorbed people do. Never mind Richard's son, what about ME. Look at ME. I saw his dad's penis in 1986!!!!

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Was there a photo op for that?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


That what self-absorbed people do. Never mind Richard's son, what about ME. Look at ME. I saw his dad's penis in 1986!!!!


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What's with our penis phobia anyway? Women act so afraid of this member. You'd think she had just come upon a gruesome crime scene the way she tells the story. I mean, was it that horrifying to look at?

I get that it's flipping weird to pull out your private parts at work. But it's also flipping weird to accept all his flirtations for years while inside screaming "no" but never actually SAYING no. That to me is far weirder. Part of being a mature woman is to know how to turn a guy down, even a guy with a stupid trophy naming him the greatest of them all. But since over 15% of marriages still stem straight out of the workplace, women are not being reasonable if they expect there will never be any flirting at work.

AuntieAnn said...

What's with our penis phobia anyway? Women act so afraid of this member. You'd think she had just come upon a gruesome crime scene the way she tells the story. I mean, was it that horrifying to look at?

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IDK, she was facing her demons?

The Vatican started penis phobia with the great fig leaf cover-up.

This blurb is from "Our Roman Adventure" blog:

"Given that there are literally thousands of statues and paintings of nude men in Rome, you'd be hard pressed to find a penis on any of them. But that's not how it has always been. Romans were proud of their appendages and carved them in a realistic, although not always flattering proportion. It was during one of the Catholic churches many bouts of paranoia that the male genitalia become too "distracting" to have protruding from statues. Apparently the housework was falling behind."

Fleecing- a photo op. lol! Submitted for evidence...


Anonymous said...

Gloria Allred now represents the woman who has accused Roy Moore of sexual assault when she was a minor. A press coverage has been scheduled for this afternoon.

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Tucker's Mom said...

Anonymous said... 12
Gloria Allred now represents the woman who has accused Roy Moore of sexual assault when she was a minor. A press coverage has been scheduled for this afternoon.

bm
^^^^^^
Allred is such a carnival barker when it comes to her (ought to be) trademarked press conferences. That said, the accuser, Nelson, it totally believable.
I watched it livestream and her statement was clear, detailed and disturbing.
Nelson accused Moore of offering to give her a ride home from the diner she worked at when she was 16-years old. He had previously flirted with her and saw an opportunity to get her alone in his car.
He groped Nelson, tried to get her top off and force her head into his crotch. She fought and insisted he let her out of the car, which he did.
He told her no one would believe her.

Blowing In The Wind said...

Just read Derek Dillard of the Duggars show has been let go from TLC. He was the one who spoke against the transgender teen who has her own TLC show. No article yet, but I'm sure there will be. If you have twitter, you can read TLC's statement on their twitter.

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Good. Now maybe he will have time to take a shower and get a scrub-down from head to foot.

foxy said...

They are saturating this sexual harassment drama so much that is now getting ridiculous. Gloria Allred of course is getting all this publicity and has her victims crying and telling about their PTSD. These things happened 40 plus years ago. It is getting so who cares? The women who were truly victimized are being shuttled to the back of the room while all the others are coming out with I saw his penis, he kissed me, he touched my breasts over my clothes, he wanted me to touch him. I think it is getting out of hand and losing what this is truly about.

Anonymous said...

Nelson quotes Moore as saying, "you're just a child" and "no one will ever believe you".

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Anonymous said...

ll this publicity and has her victims crying and telling about their PTSD. These things happened 40 plus years ago. It is getting so who cares? The women who were truly victimized are being shuttled to the back of the room while all the others are coming out with I saw his penis, he kissed me, he touched my breasts over my clothes, he wanted me to touch him. I think it is getting out of hand and losing what this is truly about.
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Wow, so a 14-year old girl targeted by a 30-something year old pedophile doesn't qualify as "truly victimized" in your book. That speaks volumes.

Blowing In The Wind said...

Anonymous said... 17
All this publicity and has her victims crying and telling about their PTSD. These things happened 40 plus years ago. It is getting so who cares? The women who were truly victimized are being shuttled to the back of the room while all the others are coming out with I saw his penis, he kissed me, he touched my breasts over my clothes, he wanted me to touch him. I think it is getting out of hand and losing what this is truly about.
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Wow, so a 14-year old girl targeted by a 30-something year old pedophile doesn't qualify as "truly victimized" in your book. That speaks volumes.

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Please choose a name and stick with it. Posting rule #1, in case you missed it. Number one is the first in a short list of four. Is this really so difficult to do?

I think what Foxy is saying is that when there are so many coming out with these stories that go back 40 years, it gets to be old after a while, not that they weren't victims and not that those assaults should be taken lightly, but my gosh, there comes a point that it's just a ho-hum thing, and that's sad... and why after all this time? Then there's old Gloria lined up for another 15 minutes and it really becomes a geez, there she is again, eating this up and enjoying the publicity,

All This Is That said...

"George H. W. Bush apologized Monday after another woman said the former president groped her during a 2003 photo op when she was 16 years old.

Time magazine reported on Monday that Rosyln Corrigan is accusing Bush of groping her buttocks when she was standing next to him for a photo at a November 2003 event at a CIA office, which she attended with her parents.

"My initial reaction was absolute horror. I was really, really confused," Corrigan told Time. "The first thing I did was look at my mom and, while he was still standing there, I didn’t say anything. What does a teenager say to the ex-president of the United States? Like, ‘Hey dude, you shouldn’t have touched me like that?’""

That's exactly what she should have done, and told her parents.

What comes to mind is "wrong way."

Sorry, I couldn't help it.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


I think what Foxy is saying is that when there are so many coming out with these stories that go back 40 years, it gets to be old after a while, not that they weren't victims and not that those assaults should be taken lightly, but my gosh, there comes a point that it's just a ho-hum thing, and that's sad... and why after all this time? Then there's old Gloria lined up for another 15 minutes and it really becomes a geez, there she is again, eating this up and enjoying the publicity,


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Some people seem to want to lump everyone in the same pot either to advance their own "men are pigs--girl power" agenda, or to make money off it, or just to be obstinate. All incidents are NOT one and the same.

A grown woman has her own mind, her own wits, and workplace protections and laws all on the books protecting her both against sexual harassment and whistle blower retaliation.

It's not my problem if she conjures up wild scenarios in her head about what COULD happen if she reports thus convincing herself not to. That's her choice to talk herself out of reporting. But all the protections are in place for her to take advantage of, and if she's STILL not reporting, she needs to take a long hard look at herself. I'm struggling to figure out exactly what they are asking society to do about this problem. But round-about after the fact public shaming is not helpful. It's like if you install a smoke detector in the home but then refuse to evacuate when it goes off because you're scared--I really don't know what to tell you or how to help you other than tell you, grow up and help yourself.

Then we have a second group. Minors, and in some somewhat rarer cases, true power imbalance situations or people who were under actual "tell no one" type threats. Accepting someone's flirtations for years and never telling them to stop is not a "power imbalance." But, "I'll see to it you never work in this town again" IS.

That is the group this should be about. That is the group in which true predators have attacked. And that is the group being marginalized behind the "squeezed and pulled and hurt my neck in 1986 me too" crowd.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I think it was a bad mood for the Roy Moore victims to hire Gloria Alred.

So far, they all sound very credible. Their stories make sense, and are believable. A lot of people are saying they believe them. It would be a real shame to muddy the waters with someone wanting to capitalize off it.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

It was during one of the Catholic churches many bouts of paranoia that the male genitalia become too "distracting" to have protruding from statues. Apparently the housework was falling behind."

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Interesting. I mean, the thing is not much to look at. But it's not scary either. It is what it is!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

The gymnast Aly Raisman, a true victim as she was a minor as well as in a true imbalance of power situation, was asked on 60 Minutes if she's worried that speaking out could negatively impact her career.

Aly, all of 23 years old, said it's more important to her that changes are made than all the medals in the world.

It's nice to see someone who ranks doing the RIGHT THING above their career. Your career isn't everything, and by Aly speaking out and the resulting policy changes in the sport, she has helped ensure this will never, ever happen again. And she's just a kid. You're telling me a 28 year old couldn't handle this with the same morality and grace?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Looks like Roy Moore went to the Kate school of denial in handling his own version of a PR crisis. Look how he responded to the latest accusation:

"Moore called the accusation "absolutely false" in a statement outside a fire station in Gallant, Alabama later Monday, denying that he knew Nelson and adding that he didn't know where the restaurant that she described was.
"I don't even know the woman," he said.

LOL! Not only does he not know her but he doesn't even know that restaurant.

This is getting to be like Cosby, with all these women lined up all with similar stories and Roy still standing there insisting none of this ever happened.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Wow four Canadian teens confronted a man trying to assault a drunk girl and fought him off. More young people who are behaving with a hell of a lot more morals and integrity than can be said of us older me too-ers. I think people should back off making fun of millennials because at least in the sexual assault department they seem much more capable of tackling the situation head on instead of hiding away for 30 years.

Trina R. said...

Minors, and in some somewhat rarer cases, true power imbalance situations or people who were under actual "tell no one" type threats.

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Care to comment on the George Bush (who is a disgusting, dirty old predator) situation again?

a 16 yr old has come forward FROM 2003. Wash poor Georgie senile then, too?

Tucker's Mom said...

Roy Moore *might* have saved a couple threads of his reputation if he would have taken the high road and said he was stepping aside for the party's sake.
But these denials are ridiculous, and the evidence is there in Nelson's high school yearbook!
Yes, you do know her and yes, you were there and yes, you were a 32-year old man signing the book of a 16-year old girl.
YUK.

And Paul Blart Mall Cop kicked you out of the place for cruising young girls stuck behind counters so they had no choice but to put up with your smarmy advances.

That's predatory.

Tucker's Mom said...

Interesting. I mean, the thing is not much to look at. But it's not scary either. It is what it is!
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LOL!!!

Rule Breaker said...

Some people seem to want to lump everyone in the same pot either to advance their own "men are pigs--girl power" agenda, or to make money off it, or just to be obstinate. All incidents are NOT one and the same.
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Nobody is saying that all incidents are the same. That's your red herring. Exposing yourself in the workplace after inviting someone to a BUSINESS meeting is sexual harassment. That doesn't make it as bad as being raped in the workplace, but it also shouldn't be tossed aside as meaningless as people like you are doing. That's like saying that having your house broken into is no big deal and you have no right to feel violated because your neighbor was home when their break-in occurred and was assaulted. One scenario is worse than the other but both people are crime victims.

And implying that teenagers who were molested by thirty-something year olds are not "real" victims because they were just touched over their clothes, as Foxy did, is disgusting.

AuntieAnn said...

Yes, there's a difference between a 58 year old woman who just now speaks up about having a man sexually prowl after her at work - three decades ago, a 31 year old actress having an elderly man in a wheelchair put his hand on her butt, and 14 year old children being sexually assaulted by adults. Big difference. Of course people should speak up if they are victims of cogent sexual abuse or witnesses of it. No one is arguing that. But I don't think all the stories coming out should gather under one umbrella.

What I don't get is these trolls and Kate supporters who refuse to believe there is child abuse and exploitation happening right in front of their eyes for the past ten years, but they're willing to defend a grown woman who got her ass grabbed by an old man. Go figure that one out.

Anonymous said...

Good article from the Editorial Board of the Los Angeles Times: "When moralizers get caught with their pants down".

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Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

That's like saying that having your house broken into is no big deal and you have no right to feel violated because your neighbor was home when their break-in occurred and was assaulted

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No, it's not like saying that at all. Unless the people robbed refused to report it to the police. Then yeah, it's the same, and yeah, I'm going to expect more from them.

You're equating "grown women need to take a teeny, tiny bit of responsibility for themselves" with victim blaming. It's not the same thing.

People like Aly Raisman, only 23 years old, prove there are women out there who are perfectly capable of handling horrific situations not only head on, but also making something out of it to create real changes for the better. At 23, she is a hero and other women should be embarrassed they couldn't step up to the plate like she did. Newsflash: posting metoo does not create any change at all.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Roy Moore *might* have saved a couple threads of his reputation if he would have taken the high road and said he was stepping aside for the party's sake.
But these denials are ridiculous, and the evidence is there in Nelson's high school yearbook!
Yes, you do know her and yes, you were there and yes, you were a 32-year old man signing the book of a 16-year old girl.
YUK.


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All parties have their cooks and freaks, and he always has been, though we didn't know it was sexual until now and now to add insult to injury he's decided to lie about it. Blech. The bigger question is how does the party handle him. Thank the good lord the RNC is packing up shop. They don't need him.

Tucker's Mom said...

The bigger question is how does the party handle him. Thank the good lord the RNC is packing up shop. They don't need him.
^^^^^^
I have a feeling Moore (who is now talking like Steve Bannon has his hand up Moore's ass) is not going to step aside and will get elected.
Then, the real goat rodeo shall begin.

OY.

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

a 16 yr old has come forward FROM 2003. Wash poor Georgie senile then, too?

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Perhaps he was, but nobody talked about it, especially since this man was POTUS. Senility doesn't just happen overnight. It can be a gradual thing, with some form of it taking its good old time to become full-blown dementia. I have seen it develop over a period for as long as 10-12 years.

"What I don't get is these trolls and Kate supporters who refuse to believe there is child abuse and exploitation happening right in front of their eyes for the past ten years, but they're willing to defend a grown woman who got her ass grabbed by an old man. Go figure that one out."

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You have to excuse the trolls. They have never figured this out because they were absent when cognitive/critical thinking ability was passed around. Poor things.

Admin, any idea why this resident troll has such a girl crush,love/hate thing going on with you? We know it's someone from Kate's twitter who has a good time arguing with you, but why?

jolie Jacquelyn said...

I won't be surprised if the next group exposed is the British royal family. I seem to recall rumours several years ago about Prince Edward & also Prince Charles, hitting on paid employees . Princess Margaret's son has also been mentioned.

I hope I'm wrong. Good grief, do any of them keep it in their pants?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


By your logic, Aly Raisman is not a hero. She didn't speak out for years and didn't stop the abuser in his tracks. If you're going to hold others to that standard, calling her a hero is the height of hypocrisy. (Again, your logic...not mine

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You clearly haven’t read very carefully, again. She was a minor. She also did not KNOW it was sex abuse, she didn’t even know what that was. I think she gets a pass. And by the way, the very first time she was ever asked if he touched her, she immediately told the truth. There was no hiding or delay as you claim. I refuse to put minors in the same category as 28 year old consenting women who are being misleading dolts. Period.

Sad but true said...

She's totally obsessed with this dog. And not in a good way. Her face in this one is particularly maniacal---which she thinks is hilarious.

kateplusmy8 By now, she's VERY heavy as evidenced by my hilarious (and scary😂) facial expression... BUT the important thing is, I can STILL LIFT HER! #AllSeventySixPoundsOfHer #Nanuq #SableKingShepherd #AYearAndAHalfOld #PersonalWeightLiftingProgram 💪🏼

And I guess she wants to get some speculation going. After all, sh'es got nothing else.

andreaheiman32gmail.com_Is there another season of your show

kateplusmy8@andreaheiman32gmail.com_ ...maybe... maybe not... maybe😂😂😂😉

Uh, a 19-month-old dog is not a baby.

mrskmwirt@kateplusmy8 She's pretty😍Our great dane puppy is 52 lbs at 3mths😳😳

kateplusmy8@mrskmwirt you better lift him/her REALLY FAST! It bothers me she's still just a 'baby' and it's so difficult to lift her .. I want to carry her around like when she was a puppy... sigh... so you better hurry!!!💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼

Ah, so this is Mak's problem, a "mean bark and growl." I guess that's why he can't be photographed as much as #Nuqnuq. Have you listened to yourself lately, K8? No question where he gets it from.

mariahmelis How much does Shoka weigh?!

kateplusmy8@mariahmelis Shoka weighs about 105 and Mak is very close to Shokas weight.. but Mak has a very mean bark and growl so I'm sure that makes him weigh even more lol! 😂

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


And I guess she wants to get some speculation going. After all, sh'es got nothing else.

andreaheiman32gmail.com_Is there another season of your show

kateplusmy8@andreaheiman32gmail.com_ ...maybe... maybe not... maybe😂😂😂😉


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Yep, still as childish as ever.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


I have a feeling Moore (who is now talking like Steve Bannon has his hand up Moore's ass) is not going to step aside and will get elected.
Then, the real goat rodeo shall begin.

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He has a long history of not following the law, openly defying it, so it should have ben a huge red flag there were probably other instances in which he did not follow the law when it comes to sexual activity.

What happens if voters elect him anyway? Can he then be impeached?

Tucker's Mom said...

What happens if voters elect him anyway? Can he then be impeached?
^^^^^
There is already talk of expulsion. which has a whole bailiwick of implications, and I don't think it's been achieved before.
What a cluster!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


What happens if voters elect him anyway? Can he then be impeached?
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There is already talk of expulsion. which has a whole bailiwick of implications, and I don't think it's been achieved before.
What a cluster!

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I've never heard of this before!

I just read the Politico article about it and educated myself. They said another senator needs to file an ethics complaint against him, which triggers an investigation, which puts expulsion on the table, but it's not ripe yet, because he hasn't been elected yet.

Lying Kate said...

kateplusmy8 By now, she's VERY heavy as evidenced by my hilarious (and scary😂) facial expression... BUT the important thing is, I can STILL LIFT HER! #AllSeventySixPoundsOfHer #Nanuq #SableKingShepherd #AYearAndAHalfOld
#PersonalWeightLiftingProgram 💪🏼
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The last time Kate posted about lifting Nanuq was back on January 11. At that time, when asked how much she weighed Kate replied:

nick_moyOMG.. How heavy is Nanuq.. You don't need Nanuq and Make to protect you...

kateplusmy8She's about 75 pounds now I think... @nick_moy

So she gained ONE pound in 10 months, and NOW she's VERY HEAVY and Kate's so proud that she can STILL lift her?

Lying Kate said...

Forgot to include the link to Kate's January IG post in my last comment.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BPJTTRajOZc/?taken-by=kateplusmy8

just watching said...

All parties have their cooks and freaks

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The republican party is literally imploding. It's sad to see. What a mess.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


All parties have their cooks and freaks

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The republican party is literally imploding. It's sad to see. What a mess.

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Keep telling yourself that. :)

The Democrats have been through terrible scandals before. Terrible scandals. They also have their own long list of sex offenders they've backed. No clue why this doesn't make news, but numerous sources have listed them all out.

Some of the names are: John Wayne Gacy, rapist, murderer, democrat fund raiser, Michael Skakel, murderer, William Kennedy Smith, rapist, Brian Doyle, dem activist child molester, Neil Goldschmidt, Oregon governor, confessed child molester, Rep. Mel Reynolds, D-IL child rapist pardoned by Clinton, Robert Menendez-underage prostitutes

Controversies come and go, including sex crimes, and neither party is immune.

Sheepless In Seattle said...

The Democrats have been through terrible scandals before. Terrible scandals

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Gary, Donna and Monkey Business!

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Sad but true (#38), sounds like TFW is already setting up the narrative for when she dumps Mak. A "very mean bark and growl?" He's the 4-legged version of her favorite scapegoat, C. And we all know who won that battle. #AYearAndAHalfGone

Tucker's Mom said...

I saw Kate's latest IG photo of her picking up Nanuq. She's only deadlifting the dog while kneeling- so yes, technically lifting.

I don't get it. B.F.D.

Whatevs...but interestingly, someone (I guess Mady) has blurred out the entirety of Kate's desk, I guess to thwart internet sleuths.

Still no Milo???

Formerly Duped said...

Yes, NuNu is definitely the favored dog. Her 'hilarious' face is just silly.I'm sure the dog did not enjoy this. I read (sadly) that dogs don't really like full body hugs or being patted on the head.Other forms of physical affection, yes.

Layla said...

The "maybe...maybe not...maybe" thing is so childish. TLC said they will do limited runs in the future, so of course Kate knows that. She just doesn't know when, and she doesn't know how "limited" those runs will be. I wonder how worried she is right now. The limited runs could only be a couple episodes, and they could be years apart. That won't keep her in the lifestyle she loves so much. She may have to dig into her hidden millions and pay her own way. Oh, the horror!

NJGal51 said...

Tucker’s Mom, Milo hasn’t been heard from since 27 September. I really hope that nothing’s happened to her. She missed the twins’ birthday, Halloween and other things which is very unlike her. Surely she can’t be pouting over something for this long.

NJGal51 said...

Isn’t today (Nov 15) Steve Irwin day? TFW hasn’t acknowledged this. I guess the Irwin’s don’t know how to help her any more.

AuntieAnn said...


Tucker's Mom said... 

I saw Kate's latest IG photo of her picking up Nanuq. She's only deadlifting the dog while kneeling- so yes, technically lifting

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Oh it's just another one of her hidden talents she's been keeping to herself. Book and tour to follow.

Susan1956 said...

NJGal51 said... 53
Isn’t today (Nov 15) Steve Irwin day? TFW hasn’t acknowledged this. I guess the Irwin’s don’t know how to help her any more.
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Today was also 50 cent grilled cheese day at Sonic. TFMJG could have scored some cheap food and let her followers know of this deal, but that's too pedestrian for her. Usually 'giving back' means traveling to another state with a drive in a race car thrown in for her.

Lynne In RI said...

"There's no indication prosecutors are planning to pursue a case against Bush. Jordana Grolnick, an actress who alleged that Bush groped her behind last year as his wife, Barbara, stood nearby, told The Associated Press that she has no plans to report the 41st president to authorities. That appears to be the only incident that hasn't reached the local statute of limitations on how long a crime can be prosecuted after it occurs."

))))))))))))))

Then why on God's Green Earth embarrass a 90 something year old former President who suffers from dementia and Parkinson's and is in wheelchair?

I don't understand. Was her brief time in the media spotlight really worth it?

NJGal51 said...

LOL Susan1956 - A coworker an I went to Sonic today to get that 50 cent grilled cheese! I just wish that they had the tomato soup to go with it.

Layla said...

Kate isn't interested in acknowledging Steve Irwin Day because there's no free trip to Australia in it for her. If Terry Irwin had flown her to Oz (first class, of course) for an all-expense-paid trip, then of course she would have mentioned it to her followers. If there's nothing in it for her, then forget it. She'll post about her ability to lift a dog instead.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


The "maybe...maybe not...maybe" thing is so childish. TLC said they will do limited runs in the future, so of course Kate knows that. She just doesn't know when, and she doesn't know how "limited" those runs will be.


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A 42 year old mature woman says just that, "TLC said they will do limited runs in the future, I just don't know when, and I don't know how "limited" those runs will be. Thank you for your patience and I'll keep you posted as soon as I'm able."

That answer would be respected and satisfying way more than the games she plays.

But, she's not a mature 42 year old woman. She is all of 12.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


"There's no indication prosecutors are planning to pursue a case against Bush. Jordana Grolnick, an actress who alleged that Bush groped her behind last year as his wife, Barbara, stood nearby, told The Associated Press that she has no plans to report the 41st president to authorities. That appears to be the only incident that hasn't reached the local statute of limitations on how long a crime can be prosecuted after it occurs."

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Um, under what charge?

No prosecutor in the land is going to seat a jury on "he pinched my butt" charges against a senile ancient man. Can you imagine being called to jury duty for THAT?

Folks, let's reserve taxpayer dollars for the hundreds of children I see each year who are molested. They barely pursue even a quarter of those cases. At least there's civil court for the other 75%. People are apparently clueless about the extent of sexual harm done to helpless victims. If walls could talk. When I hear somebody whining about a butt grab, especially when they are perfectly capable of turning around and saying "excuse me, please don't do that ever again," I just want to scream. For all the little girls and boys who had their childhood robbed from them by a predator, and the way the "me too" campaign has minimized and marginalized their real stories of abuse.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

The fact that she is NOT pursuing it just proves the point, that it wasn't the big deal some folks initially claimed. And I agree that there was no point in outing it at all if you're not going to pursue it.

If it's not worth taking it all the way, then it's probably not worth disclosing it to the public. Better off calling his handlers and clearing the air directly. We are right back to where we started if women are going to dip a toe in the water then run away. That accomplishes nothing. Jump into the deep end head first or don't jump at all and make room for women actually willing to confront these issues and change things. Move aside.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Following the Roy Moore story is like watching a psychological thriller. He's not going to back down from this. He's asking handwriting experts to look at the yearbook continuing to be absolutely adamant he never wrote that message.

Is he insane??

He is going to fight this and big time.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Also, how hilarious is it that he signed his name Roy Moore, D.A.? LOL, so fancy!

I think he's more embarrassed about that than the creepy message itself.

Tucker's Mom said...

Formerly Duped said... 50
Yes, NuNu is definitely the favored dog. Her 'hilarious' face is just silly.I'm sure the dog did not enjoy this. I read (sadly) that dogs don't really like full body hugs or being patted on the head.Other forms of physical affection, yes.
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Lots of dogs do not like full body hugs and people generally hovering over them. Our lab is like that. We got her at around age 1 1/2 years, so we don't know how she was treated as a puppy.
Our bichon we got as a puppy, and held him from day one. He's small, too, so he's used to being held, picked up and generally smothered with hugs and kisses!

Tucker's Mom said...

If it's not worth taking it all the way, then it's probably not worth disclosing it to the public. Better off calling his handlers and clearing the air directly. We are right back to where we started if women are going to dip a toe in the water then run away. That accomplishes nothing. Jump into the deep end head first or don't jump at all and make room for women actually willing to confront these issues and change things. Move aside.
^^^^^
Rep. Jackie Speier recently testified about sexual harassment and assault to women on the Hill. She made claims including butt pinching and even exposing a penis. She stated 2 in Congress- one a Democrat and one a Republican- have committed sexual transgressions, yet she REFUSED TO NAME THEM!

For the love of Pete, if you refuse to expose abusers, you don't get your #metoo moment. I'm sorry, you just don't.

All you've done is leverage a threat and while Congress will introduce training, you've done nothing to hold possible criminals accountable.

I mean, grow up and come forward. If indeed women or Ms. Speiers was assaulted, these men are going to continue to be a threat unless they are exposed. What good does it do, besides garner some sympathy?

Name names, file a police report, or shut up!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Rep. Jackie Speier recently testified about sexual harassment and assault to women on the Hill. She made claims including butt pinching and even exposing a penis. She stated 2 in Congress- one a Democrat and one a Republican- have committed sexual transgressions, yet she REFUSED TO NAME THEM!


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I didn't hear that. Even more reprehensible is that she is supposed to be a leader, especially a role model to girls and women. And you're gonna tease and hint that something is inappropriate, but not take steps to both confront it head on and change it, as well as to seek justice?

There are plenty of women out there naming names, providing clear stories, and filing formal complaints. But these snowflake ones teasing, hemming and hawing like Kate, are simply taking us backward, not forward.

Every time you hem and haw, you reinforce the very stigma we're trying to change. You reinforce there is something shameful about this, you reinforce the bogus idea that a woman might find herself in trouble of her own if you do something about this. Shame on her. Shame on her.

Formerly Duped said...

Tucker, I agree. Our current dog who has great anxiety, does not like to be touched but has come a long way and will tolerate some, but not big hugs or head pats, especially from strangers. She does like to be scratched near the base of her tail. She always looks at us like we might hit her or something and leaves the couch if we try to sit with her! Our last dear dog, loved attention and cuddles. Funny since we showered both with attention from Day 1. But this girl is a rescue dog so that might explain it- bad past, even as a young pup , can last a lifetime.

Tucker's Mom said...

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 62
Following the Roy Moore story is like watching a psychological thriller. He's not going to back down from this. He's asking handwriting experts to look at the yearbook continuing to be absolutely adamant he never wrote that message.

Is he insane??

He is going to fight this and big time.
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I have to say, the yearbook intrigues me.

Who gets their high school yearbook in December?? Yearbooks capture...the year. Inso doing, they are delivered towards the very end of the school year and that's when we all got them signed.
Also, I'm going all conspiracy theorist here and saying that the signature looks like a "Roy" signed it, but not Roy Moore, "D.A.".

The print of "Old Hickory House" looks odd, too. The number "7" is a real giveaway. "Moore" is elevated above "Roy". Moore has a distinctive "y" in "Roy" and that's glaring when you compare his signature.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/11/fake-analyst-says-judge-roy-moore-signature-inside-gloria-allred-accusers-yearbook-forged/

That message and signature needs to go to an independent expert to be examined.

Again, I don't like Roy Moore and think this whole thing is a cluster, but there needs to be accountability and due process.

Roy Moore is filing charges against Ms. Nelson, so I read.

Here's his letter to Sean Hannity:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/11/16/roy-moores-open-letter-to-sean-hannity-annotated/?utm_term=.e4114964a066

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Again, I don't like Roy Moore and think this whole thing is a cluster, but there needs to be accountability and due process.

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He's either insane or telling the truth on the yearbook point because by jolly he's going to fight that point. It seems to me there can easily be an ink analysis to determine the ink is several decades old.

Signing it Roy Moore D.A.? He's either the biggest dork, or someone is trying to make sure it's clear the forgery is THAT Roy Moore.

Tucker's Mom said...

Indeed, shame on her. If a man exposed his penis (like Bill Clinton, ugh), that's criminal, right?
NOT reporting it makes you complicit. That is VERY aggressive and whomever that man is, he's got real issues and is a real danger.

What is it with these guys pulling their schwannies out????

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Indeed, shame on her. If a man exposed his penis (like Bill Clinton, ugh), that's criminal, right?


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Depends. If they were doing this out and about the capitol, there is a good argument for public exposure and yes that's criminal. It could also be civil sexual harassment if it was unwanted and didn't occur in the context of a two year relationship like with poor blindsided Dreyfuss.

At the very least, it's an HR violation. Where is her HR complaint? Be a grown up. For goodness sake now all us working people have to take sexual harassment training. The training is very clear, the final step is to report. She is setting a terrible example for working women by not following the training.

Tucker's Mom said...

Kate's "maybe, maybe not" is indeed insulting. A grown up answer would have been nice, as I'm sure the fan was asking sincerely.

Another behavior consistent with abusers; keep your mark off balance and unsure about what's real and what's not real.

Tucker's Mom said...

Formerly Duped said... 67
Tucker, I agree. Our current dog who has great anxiety, does not like to be touched but has come a long way and will tolerate some, but not big hugs or head pats, especially from strangers.
^^^
Such a labor of love and God bless you for being so loving and patient.
I think many folks who don't own dogs or just aren't intimately familiar with them assume dogs are all alike and don't understand they are such unique individuals and each has their own, distinct personality.

Fortunately, our Lab learned a lot from our bichon about the positive aspects of physical contacts and kisses. She mimics him and has come to understand our affections, like looking lovingly into her eyes and kissing her.
She still isn't over the moon about hugs!

Our old, dear Beardie used to put up with my hugs. I would put his paws up on my shoulders and give him full body hugs, and say, "Thank you, I know you put up with me doing this!".

Formerly Duped said...

OT: That's sweet, Tucker. My cockapoo would put her paws on my shoulders when I said 'hug' and like your dog, looked like, 'do I get a treat now' for putting up with this! Indeed they are all different. This anxious one, by the way, is now going on walks again since the roadwork is done on our streets and sidewalks- but only sometimes or part of her old route. She will look up suddenly, then refuse to move and try to get out of her harness. but we will take what we get. It is a long process to heal these anxious souls. Thanks for all your tips over the course of this blog for both these dogs of mine! ( my dear cockapoo had IVDD surgery -but succumbed to something else- and your advice during her recovery was invaluable)

Tucker's Mom said...

Thanks for all your tips over the course of this blog for both these dogs of mine! ( my dear cockapoo had IVDD surgery -but succumbed to something else- and your advice during her recovery was invaluable)
^^^^^^
I truly grieved with you ;-(

My bichon gives kisses on command. We have a "100 kisses a day" joke running between me and him.

AuntieAnn said...

Tucker's Mom said...

What is it with these guys pulling their schwannies out????

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lol! Two lessons to be learned from this:

1) Men - don't pull your schwanny out unless or until you're granted permission to do so.

2) Women - don't be a schwanny-teaser unless you mean business.

Kidding aside, if we as adults want a perfect world we've got to make clear rules about what's acceptable behavior in any relationship from the get-go. Both men and women should be able to make the boundaries known and then respect them.

njay said...

OT...I have a question i need professional help with. LOL I have procrastinated cooking due to kidney stones. BLOL. It has been 3 days thawed in my fridge but my fridge is very cold and I open it about 4 times - a day. Would I still be safe to cook it? Alright Aunti Anne, I hear ya saying "yeah, you can cook it ya just can't eat it" you witty lady you. You crack me up all the time. Glad you are back. Please give your comments soon. I'm craving turkey and dressing sandwiches. Thank you!

Sad but true said...

And Sen. Al Franken takes his place in the line-up of men who should know better:

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/11/tv-host-accuses-sen-al-franken-of-kissing-and-groping-her.html

Tucker's Mom said...

njay...sorry about the kidney stones. Ouch!

Are you saying you've been thawing a frozen turkey in the fridge for 3 days, but opened the fridge 4x a day?

If so, definitely OK to cook the turkey. That's how I plan to thaw and cook mine next week.

I have a 13+ pounder that is frozen, and I think I'll put it in the fridge Sunday evening or Monday morning, just to be sure it has time to thaw through.

Cook to 165!

AuntieAnn said...

njay 77,


Aw, thanks njay. At first I wasn't sure what was thawing in your fridge and thought it was your kidney stones. Ha! Then I saw what you meant. I'm sorry to hear about your trouble with them - they can be nasty.

I think if you have any doubt at all about the turkey then toss it, but if it's been thawed three days it should alright after you scrub it. I always go by smell and sight but to be safe, maybe phone and ask a butcher? I like to roast turkey slightly overdone otherwise the meat seems tough, to me anyway and not only that but I always think it's safer as far as food poisoning goes. There's also a new gadget out there called a foodsniffer that detects whether or not your food is safe to eat, but they're over a hundred dollars so I'll stick to my nose.

Confused said...

Admin said (66).... There are plenty of women out there naming names, providing clear stories, and filing formal complaints....

Just to be clear about this, we should all step up and name names, file complaints and have the expectation to be believed unless the complaint is about Trump. Is that right? We should believe the Moore accusers and he should step down from the race, but the Trump accusers are all liars who are only looking for fame?

I wouldn't want to believe the wrong group of women.

Even Republicans cannot answer how it is ok to believe and support the Moore accusers (which I totally agree with!) but cannot explain their continued support for Trump calling all his accusers liars. I have seen interviews where they literally turn and walk away from the interview or just stand there silently.

Please advise on how to feel about this so I don't get it wrong.

Tucker's Mom said...

Sad but true said... 78
And Sen. Al Franken takes his place in the line-up of men who should know better:

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/11/tv-host-accuses-sen-al-franken-of-kissing-and-groping-her.html

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Ugh. Franken's apology was more monologue than "sorry". Note that he never cops to sticking his tongue down her throat, but implies perhaps Tweeden's memory is a bit different than his.
Uh huh.
The groping "joke" while she was sleeping is really disturbing to me. When you're asleep, you are vulnerable, and it's just so disturbing he took liberties with her when she was unable to defend herself.
What the hell else did he do and has he touched other women when they were asleep or otherwise incapacitated?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Now the Al Frankin story is disturbing and vastly different from the Dreyfuss story or many others.

1. she did not consent, and made it crystal clear to him she did not consent. She said NO until he badgered and badgered and she gave up. She did not in any way return flirtations or cause him to think it was okay, as the Dreyfuss accuser fully admits she did.
2. his sexual conduct was not gentle as part of a rehearsal, but startling and aggressive
3. he assaulted her while she was sleeping and could not give consent either implied or directly. He also participated in taking a photo of the incident, further humiliating her

He's a staunch Democrat. Neither party is immune.

Dmasy said...

One week from Thanksgiving. I know many of you ladies are getting your special canned-cranberry-with-the-ridges-dedicated-dishes out of the cabinet and dusting it off.

I thought of all of you and our discussion of the jello-cranberry memories.

Have fun getting ready for the feast.

Blowing In The Wind said...

There's also a new gadget out there called a foodsniffer that detects whether or not your food is safe to eat, but they're over a hundred dollars so I'll stick to my nose.

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I have a collie. Does she count as a reliable food sniffer?

Auntie...I seem to remember when you were sticking your head in your freezer to find a butt (pork). Did you ever locate it?

Blowing In The Wind said...

About two or so decades ago I was a junior camp counselor (in-training program) for young kids. The athletics director at a nearby boys' camp invited several of us to a social event. During a dance, he had his hand on my waist and then moved it a bit lower. I told him nope, don't do it and he backed off. I'm still trying to figure out if I was traumatized. I was a youngster at the time and I'm only now remembering this.

I tried calling Gloria, but she doesn't answer. I wonder if Lisa is available.

Layla said...

As far as Kate's immature "maybe...maybe not,,," comment, maybe she really doesn't know. Sure, the word from TLC was that they would catch up with limited runs in the future, but it's very likely they aren't giving her any information. She has been breathing down their necks, without a doubt, begging them to bring her beloved cameras back, but they may not be giving her answers. She may have thought that her "maybe...maybe not" tease sounded better (and less desperate) than, "I don't know! They won't tell me!"

Tucker's Mom said...

I wonder what the hell Kate does all day. 7 kids, all in school forty hours a week...why doesn't she get a job?

Sad but true said...

Wow, Katie-kins must have nothing whatsoever to do, as she came back on the last #Nookie IG photo tonight and started bleating. To what end, I don't know. For some reason, refuting the allegations of her cruelty to animals seems to loom much larger in her mind than what's been said/observed about her behavior with respect to her children. Did somebody do some audience research on this and find that the former was much more unforgivable than the latter? Try hard, K8, let's see you try real hard. :)

elizabethstrife Beautiful dog!! We have an all black German Shepherd, 6 months, 55 lbs. I still lift her but it’s getting tougher!! Our twin girls (9) and our 4 yr old daughter all love her!!

kateplusmy8@elizabethstrife awww I just looked at pics of your girl... she's sooo precious... naptime with your daughter is 😍😍😍. What's her name? I love dogs in general but my Shoka sure made me a shepherd lover. Kindest most loyal protective gentle dogs ever. My stress melts away whenever I look in their eyes or give them a hug or cuddle. I'm so thankful for my doggies.... #FurryStressAbsorbers

shirleyystevenson How much does that baby weigh?

kateplusmy8@shirleyystevenson At last weigh in (September) she weighed 76 pounds but the vet thinks she's done growing so hopefully I'll always be able to lift her .. but only when necessary of course lol... 😉

khofmann22 Love it @kateplusmy8 !!! My ‘baby’ English Mastiff puppy is 9 months old today and is weighing in at 135lbs!!!! He still loves to cuddle though and has no idea how big he is!!!

kateplusmy8@khofmann22 omg. Now that I can't imagine... can you even still lift them at 8 weeks when they come home?😂😂😂

marci_at_recess"As evidenced by..." I hear the RN in ya 😊

kateplusmy8@marci_at_recess Oh yeah. Kinda just comes through naturally after they are done pounding all those 'nursing diagnoses' into your head lol....

AuntieAnn said...

BITW @ 85 - heh! What great idea. I'm not sure about Collies, but my cats are sure picky. That could work.

And I don't recall a pork butt, but you might be thinking about a beef heart because Valentines Day was coming up and I remember because that was right before DH took a bad turn. I would think about how I had asked you guys what to do with that heart and then never got back to you. (and I'm still sorry about that)

Dmasy- because you mentioned the cranberry dish I took a profile photo just for you. It was my grandma's dish and it gets taken out every Christmas. (the note says AA's cranberry dish Nov 16/17 ;)

AuntieAnn said...

Blowing In The Wind said...

I'm still trying to figure out if I was traumatized. I was a youngster at the time and I'm only now remembering this.

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Soooo...does this mean you won't be getting a #metoo tattoo? Get with the program.

Your comment cracked me up.

Susan1956 said...

The story below came across my FB feed this afternoon. It's actually a pretty good article. Khate must hate to see these articles as it jut proves that people have not forgotten Collin/don't believe her story.

http://tinyurl.com/yc2cgggt

Teresa said...

SEVEN women. Seven women have now come forward with regards to Bush. This is a pattern. His family should be ashamed of this. They clearly saw it happening and what'd they do about it? Did they 'talk to his handlers'? Did they restrict his outings?
Nope. And this goes allllll the way back to 2003.
How can anyone respect this family? Clearly, they don't think it important enough to stop.

capecodmama said...

Blowing In The Wind....Haha! That was good. I had my ass pinched in a bar 30 years ago but I took care of it myself. Maybe I'm traumatized and I don't realize it. I'm sure Gloria and Lisa could help me figure that out.

Layla said...

Tucker's Mom (88)
Now, you know why she doesn't get a job. She's given dozens of reasons over the years. First, it'd cost her everything she made to hire a babysitter for her teenagers. Sure, you could argue that she could work while the kids are in school, but then she wouldn't be able to go back to bed. And, as she has said, she's playing "beat the clock" til they get home anyway. She has to give orders to the cleaning lady, laundry girl, yard-worker men, dog groomers, and pool boys. And that lady who cooks dinners and leaves them in the basement fridge needs a few orders, too. All that masterminding is exhausting!

Another reason is that she has found what she likes to do. She likes being on TV, and nothing else will do. Even if she never gets to be on TV again, that's no reason to take a mediocre job. If finances get tight, then she'll just dip into the kids' trusts. If they want cars and college, they can get jobs and pay for it themselves, like she did.

Don't forget, a mediocre job like nursing is never going to provide well for 8 kids. Yet somehow, not working at all does. She's darn lucky that her fans aren't smart enough to wonder how that works. No paycheck at all is better than a non-TV paycheck? Please, someone explain that one to me.

Layla said...

capecpdmama (93)
You could be suffering from PTSD. All these years you may have thought you were just fine, happy even, but you were subconsciously suffering and you need to be compensated. Check with Gloria or Lisa to figure out the exact dollar amount. I'm sure they'll be all over it. And you get the added bonus of being a victim. Nothing you have ever done wrong is your fault! Did you ever get a speeding ticket? It's not your fault! Jaywalking, perhaps? It's the PTSD! See how that works?

Rainbowsandunicorns said...

Don't forget, a mediocre job like nursing is never going to provide well for 8 kids. Yet somehow, not working at all does. She's darn lucky that her fans aren't smart enough to wonder how that works. No paycheck at all is better than a non-TV paycheck? Please, someone explain that one to me.

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Simple. She socks away the money that she saves by using her most gas-efficient cars, and by having an in-ground pool. No need for community membership. In addition, she can dip into the kids' funds for whatever is necessary for their health, welfare, education, safety and living expenses.

"How can anyone respect this family? Clearly, they don't think it important enough to stop."

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One cannot respect a family member who clearly has senility and/or mental issues? Who would have thought it? In order to be respected one must be of sound mind and body. I guess the elder Bush needs to be kept confined indoors, never go on outings and be strapped inside to his wheelchair.

I hope he gets to enjoy an occasional cocktail.

Blowing In The Wind said...

Just to be clear about this, we should all step up and name names, file complaints and have the expectation to be believed unless the complaint is about Trump.

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I don't remember my groper's name. Wait, it could be Bubba, which would explain why a tiny finger and "Bubba Was Here" tattoo marks that spot.

Capecodmama...I'm still trying to reach Gloria. Maybe we could get a buy-one, get-one discount. I'll go with Gloria. You can have Lisa.

Jamesvader1194 said...

@Susan1956 (92) Just read the article and it pretty much explained everything we already know.No one here really knows if TLC will continue the show(even with Kate's teasing on IG.)but the problem is that the more Kate goes on with not explaining the elephant in the room with Collin the more its going to make the fans suspicious.I seriously doubt the fans will be happy over another season without an explanation for Collin.Posting an old picture i don't think is going to convince the fans(apart from the ignorant ones.)that hes home.

Sad but true said...

kateplusmy8 We got fancy this Friday for dinner...Chicken Satay, Thai Cucumber Salad and white rice. Yes, we ate on paper plates...made cleanup easier so we could get to dessert, our movie and games. #FridayIsRelaxNight #Weekend #BreakFromSchool #MuchNeeded #Family❤️

So are we supposed to surmise it's her weekend with the "usual four"? I wonder who had the honor of cleaning up that greasy mess.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Just to be clear about this, we should all step up and name names, file complaints and have the expectation to be believed unless the complaint is about Trump.

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Complaints about Trump WERE reported and WERE believed (with the exception of some people who continued to refuse to go on record and then backed off the story when pressed for details), which is how you know about it. How quickly have you forgotten a talented man's promising career was ruined over Trump accusations simply because he was trying to nod along and be polite to his guest. What more do you want out of it? Any other careers you would like to see ruined to make you happy?

But then, people saw complaints reported as well about the other candidate, including first hand accounts of how she stuck by her husband who committed rape and that together they both attempted to bully and blackmail the victim into shutting up. So voters had to vote on other issues, because both candidates had sordid sexual histories they were inexplicable and nonsensical.

My 401k has been soaring for nine months straight. People voted on things like that.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Tizzie (#103), good question!
In my humble opinion, it's odd to have 4 teenagers at home every Friday night for movie and game night with their mother. She's either lying about it, or they're doing it just to please her and/or not incur her wrath.

Even if TFW was a barrel of laughs, and the kids genuinely did enjoy her company, spending so much time at home may not be what's best for them. A good mother would encourage them to connect more with friends at that age. A good mother, especially one who doesn't have a 9-5 job, would happily shuttle them back and forth to friends' houses, or the mall, or wherever kids might want to spend time together. But I think TFW is terrified about them slipping from her grip. Remember, she's in charge, and that's never gonna change.

Formerly Duped said...

Now female cast and crew on One Tree hill are speaking out about sexual advances by creator Mark Schwann ! What a list is being complied.

NJGal51 said...

Thai Cucumber Salad? Doesn’t look like it to me. It seems to be missing a few ingredients (jalapeños, cilantro, onion, peanuts). Judging by the picture it looks like she diced up some cucumbers and I can’t tell if there’s any sauce on them at all. Also, there needs to be some kind of sauce for that rice as it looks pretty dry. She seems to be justifying her use of paper plates. Who cares? I don’t use them all the time but they do get used in my house.

Gigi Be said...

Just like anything that she posts and that involves food, her followers always ask for her recipe. Just how hard can it be to make a cucumber salad? I’m sure the average person could figure that out.
When TFW was at her peak, celebrities and tv execs we’re eating out of her hands. She was the parenting expert, her hair “ had its own press” ( according to Meredith Veira), a future sta, fashion icon, the next Martha Stewart, there was talk of having her own line of sunglasses,( read this long ago) a clothing line (that didn’t pan out through Walmart ), her own hair team in NY, coupon blog writer, DWTS appearance, having more paparazzi than the average Hollywood star, and so much more!
How ironic that the only things left that she Has left are a small crowd with below-average IQ that follow her on Instagram, a washed up bodyguard, hanger ons like Jamie, Dana, and the new “Uncle” (forgot his name), and the celeb worshipper over at Peoples magazine.
One would think with as many opportunities and people of influence that she’s come across over the years, that her inner circle would be a lot fuller. Oh I know, it’s probably Jon’s fault.

Formerly Duped said...

That's getting fancy?? The rice seems plain and yes, I agree the salad does not look like more than cucumbers in a slimy substance. The chicken looks OK, no sammynella I hope. Paper plates- I guess people have commented. Movie and games??? This is wrong to keep the kids captive in her bedroom all night on the weekends.

Fleecing The Sheeple said...


I don't remember my groper's name. Wait, it could be Bubba, which would explain why a tiny finger and "Bubba Was Here" tattoo marks that spot.\

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Ah, good times. My groper's name was Norbert, Norb for short. He was a nerd. He sat in back of me in freshman World Lit class. He had a thing for necks and loved to touch them. The nape of a neck would send him into a frenzy.

When winter came around and we wore turtlenecks, he suffered withdrawal. He hated cold weather and sweaters on girls.

I wonder what became of him. I hope he's not a hair stylist.

AuntieAnn said...

Formerly Duped said... 

That's getting fancy?? The rice seems plain and yes, I agree the salad does not look like more than cucumbers in a slimy substance.


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I guess chicken-on-a-stick could be considered fancy...for prison food. After all, it was Friday night lockdown in mommy's room.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Gigi Be (#107), it is remarkable how thoroughly TFW squandered the myriad opportunities offered to her. Even leaving out her dreams of talk show stardom, you'd think she could've at least parlayed that cookbook into further food-related gigs. Like snagging one of the Food Network cooking shows they seem to hand out like candy. Or writing additional cookbooks with specific themes -- holiday meals, cooking with kids, party planning, etc. Or launching a cookware/dish line suited to larger families. But any of those options would require work, which is a 4-letter word to Schmoopy.

AuntieAnn said...

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

Ah, good times. My groper's name was Norbert, Norb for short. He was a nerd. He sat in back of me in freshman World Lit class. He had a thing for necks and loved to touch them. The nape of a neck would send him into a frenzy.

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Lol. He touched and felt and groped my neck in 1988.

I admire your bravery for coming forward with your story after these many years of suffering silently.
Have you seen a therapist about Norb? Nerdy neck nape nuzzling can cause serious psychological damage if not properly treated.

Formerly Duped said...

I think we've all had incidents either in school, on dates, in public or new in jobs where things happened and you don't know what to do or whom to tell other than friends. I think these days there has been progress on girls knowing it's not their fault but maybe I'm naive about it.

Rainbowsandunicorns said...

Just like anything that she posts and that involves food, her followers always ask for her recipe. Just how hard can it be to make a cucumber salad?

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Apparently as difficult it is for most of them to freeze cookies.

Rainbowsandunicorns said...

C.S.D.‏
@tlc @Kateplusmy8 is on IG promoting another season. HOW RECKLESS & DISTURBING when one of the 8 IN CRISIS MODE & COMPLETELY HIDDEN FROM @jgosselin10 #CHILD ABUSE FROM KATE #NEVERFORGOTTEN #BOYCOTT #SAVECOLLIN

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Another season?

Sad but true said...

She hashtags #FridayIsRelaxNight right after she's run off a list that sounds both regimented and stressful. Using the paper plates so that you can rush through dessert movie games doesn't sound like a mellow evening to me, especially not on a Friday night when you've just come off your 40+ hours of school. Kate, of course, hasn't had to do anything near as tiring as her kids over the course of the week.

foxy said...

Where are the pictures of the Thai salad and rice? I checked instagram and it only has the chicken satay.

Formerly Duped said...

foxy, click on the arrows to see the whole spread.:p

OT: Sad to read about David Cassidy, once a teen idol of TV and a singer, is battling organ failure and dementia. Seems he is very critical. Sad decline with drug and alcohol abuse and bankruptcy throughout the years as well.

Jamesvader1194 said...

@Rainsbowsandunicorns She didn't really promote another season.Someone asked her if there will be and she did the typical Kate tease saying"Maybe...Maybe not....Maybe ;)

foxy said...

Formerly duped....thanks for the clue. I wonder what Cara had for dinner, maybe just rice and cucumbers. It looked like minute rice to me, yuk.

NJGal51 said...

foxy - When you’re on the picture of the chicken satay swipe right to see the second picture.

Still nothing from Milo.

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

Have you seen a therapist about Norb? Nerdy neck nape nuzzling can cause serious psychological damage if not properly treated.

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So that's what is wrong with me. I spent years in therapy, but treatment for neck nuzzling is not covered by insurance. I had to pay out of pocket.

I wonder what Gloria charges per hour.

NJGal51 said...

Jamesvader1194 said... 119
@Rainsbowsandunicorns She didn't really promote another season.Someone asked her if there will be and she did the typical Kate tease saying"Maybe...Maybe not....Maybe ;)
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In her new post (Mak under the table) someone asks about another season and she said “I’ll keep you posted 😉”. She can’t comment one way or another because TLC isn’t telling her anything.

Layla said...

NJGal51 (123)
She'll keep them posted, huh? Yeah, I'm sure she will. They keep asking when there will be new shows and she has to give them something. Remember when someone asked (after the 2011 cancellation) if the show was coming back, and she said, "Not yet...not quite yet". It didn't come back for another 2 years after that.

She's posting a lot to IG lately. Makes me think they aren't filming because she is craving attention from her fans. Attention she isn't getting elsewhere, like from filming.

AuntieAnn said...

I wonder what Gloria charges per hour.

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I imagine it's pretty steep if there's a press conference involved. Nape grope is no laughing matter so you know she'll hold one. Just be prepared.

Gigi Be said...

FlimsyFlamsy
Or launching a cookware/dish line suited to larger families. But any of those options would require work, which is a 4-letter word to
Scmoopy
Exactly FlimsyFlamsy!
And as much as she tries to separate herself from the mediocre, SHE is the one who has all of the traits of a mediocre person.
She spends her weekend eating minute rice, squishy cucumbers, and greasy chicken, while holed up in her bedroom. No more getaways to New York and fancy hotel stays.
Another thing, so many are making plans and are traveling to meet with family and friends for thanksgiving. Sounds like our Kate will once again spend another mediocre thanksgiving by her lonesome . Hopefully some or all of the kids can see their dad .

Gigi Be said...

Two months later and still no Milo. Did LOM terminate her internet privileges?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Below is a very, very interesting chart that shows how much people were searching for certain sex abuse stories. It's actually really heartening to see that people were the most interested in the most serious ones--Spacey, Weinstein, Moore and Al Franken all got huge spikes in searches.

The Bush story barely warranted a blip in Google searches. People just didn't care.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/18/politics/weinstein-wave-sexual-harassment-american-politics/index.html

FlimsyFlamsy said...

I just started thinking about C being away from home on Thanksgiving for the second year. I don't care if Maria Von Trapp is his caretaker at this facility. He is away from his mother and siblings and home and everything he ever knew. I hope he is able to somehow

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Oops...hit send too soon.

I hope C is somehow able to get the help he needs, and become a happy, productive member of society. But TFW is fooling herself if she thinks he can ever heal completely from being removed from his home. Who am I kidding -- I suspect she barely thinks of him at all.

Tucker's Mom said...

Formerly Duped said... 118
foxy, click on the arrows to see the whole spread.:p

OT: Sad to read about David Cassidy, once a teen idol of TV and a singer, is battling organ failure and dementia. Seems he is very critical. Sad decline with drug and alcohol abuse and bankruptcy throughout the years as well.
^^^^^
Cassidy looks as hard as the life he's lived.
He was quite the hunky teen idol back in the day.

I had the Partridge family album with the colorful bus on it!

Layla said...

FlimsyFlamsy (130)
Remember what she said in one of the RV episodes, "People walk out of my life and I just keep on going". Sadly, the "people" she mentioned now includes her young son.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


I just started thinking about C being away from home on Thanksgiving for the second year. I don't care if Maria Von Trapp is his caretaker at this facility. He is away from his mother and siblings and home and everything he ever knew.


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On a side note, they were talking with a member of the legislature in Sacramento on KFI AM radio, who said that despite their farce about being all about women's rights and progressive politics up there, sexual harassment is rampant among representatives toward their women colleagues, dems and repubs alike. She said however that she did not experience much of it directly, because she was very firm the few times it happened such behavior was unacceptable, and because she works with her husband who is always around.

They pointed out well that makes sense because you don't present as vulnerable and a target. But more vulnerable people are who they go after.

I was thinking Collin, with his special needs, is the last kid you want to expose to the entertainment industry. Hopefully nothing has ever happened or will happen to these kids, but some really do have targets on their backs.

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NJGal51 (123)
She'll keep them posted, huh? Yeah, I'm sure she will. They keep asking when there will be new shows and she has to give them something. Remember when someone asked (after the 2011 cancellation) if the show was coming back, and she said, "Not yet...not quite yet". It didn't come back for another 2 years after that.

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She should just be truthful with them for gosh sakes. She doesn't know when or if they will be back but will keep them posted, and refer them to TLC"S statement, say she doesn't know much more than the fans do.

I think part of her teasing is Kate being a tease, but I think another part of it is her just being in denial.

Tucker's Mom said...

FlimsyFlamsy said... 129
I just started thinking about C being away from home on Thanksgiving for the second year. I don't care if Maria Von Trapp is his caretaker at this facility. He is away from his mother and siblings and home and everything he ever knew. I hope he is able to somehow
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I sure do hope Collin is able to see his family over the holidays.
I still think he's never been back home ;-(

Tucker's Mom said...

I was thinking Collin, with his special needs, is the last kid you want to expose to the entertainment industry. Hopefully nothing has ever happened or will happen to these kids, but some really do have targets on their backs.
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Kate forced filming for years and Collin never should have been part of the show once he started failing in school and showing signs of severe stress.

Tucker's Mom said...

I think part of her teasing is Kate being a tease, but I think another part of it is her just being in denial.
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I also thinks Kate wants to hedge her bets by keeping people in suspense. If she tells them the truth-that there is no plans to film right now-she'll lose them.
Best to keep them hanging because the fans probably will move on and never come back.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Layla (#132), and how disingenuous of TFW to say that people "walk out" on her. She pushes them out with both hands.

Layla said...

Admin (134).
I also hope nothing has ever happened to these kids, but it wouldn't be surprising if something did happen at some point. Kate has left the kids alone with the crew many times, even left the state on her birthday to be filmed getting her foot licked while her kids were at the mercy of a film crew. And I just can't wrap my head around what she was thinking when she turned out the light and shut the door, leaving Collin with his pants down, in that dark room, with a grown man and a camera. And it's Collin who now has serious issues. Too much of a coincidence, if you ask me. And whenever I read where a fan claims, "You'd do the same", I think back to that incident and I know for a fact that I would never have done that to one of my sons. No matter how much money or fame was involved.

The only thing I can think of that explains her pattern of throwing her kids to the wolves and failing (actually, refusing) to protect them is that she really doesn't care. It's worth it to her as long as she gets to be on TV.

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

I imagine it's pretty steep if there's a press conference involved. Nape grope is no laughing matter so you know she'll hold one. Just be prepared.

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Are her rates based on what body part is being groped, with breasts and butt being the most expensive and necks falling into the lower price range?

OT, and to play devil's advocate. What if Collin isn't ready to come home for any length of time? We don't know his issues. If he has violent behavior tendencies, should a parent be concerned to have him around other family members? I just have mixed feelings about that whole situation.

Tucker's Mom said...

OT, and to play devil's advocate. What if Collin isn't ready to come home for any length of time? We don't know his issues. If he has violent behavior tendencies, should a parent be concerned to have him around other family members? I just have mixed feelings about that whole situation.
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I guess it's possible that Kate hid very violent behavior and Collin became dangerous. If that's the case, and the kids and pets were threatened, I just can't see inviting film crews into the home and taking Collin hither, tither and yon for filming.
He seemed so docile, which might of course the the meds.

I assume if something criminal happened, there'd be a record?

And then there's Jon who is being kept from his son who if he has severely profound problems, it's such an injustice.

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OT, and to play devil's advocate. What if Collin isn't ready to come home for any length of time? We don't know his issues. If he has violent behavior tendencies, should a parent be concerned to have him around other family members? I just have mixed feelings about that whole situation.

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I have thought that. And if that is the case, it really begs the question. If his problems were that severe, why on god's green earth has she been filming all this time?

She truly chose filming over her son.

Tucker's Mom said...

Another thought about Collin is that if he is dangerous, that's not a child with "special needs". There's really not coming home from that.
That's a much different scenario than say, being on the spectrum or having ODD, where cognitive, behavioral and medication therapy can help a child function in the home.
I guess I wouldn't put it past Kate to hide something so devastating in order to keep the filming going.

Formerly Duped said...

As TFW explained it, Collin's needs were educational as well as social/behavioral. Fluid, if you will ( groan) How violent could a skinny medciated pre-teen have been? I suppose it's possible but why couldn't he have visitors, namely his parents and siblings along with other relatives at the 'facility?'? Maybe he did; we really know nothing of what happened to Collin either at home or wherever he is now.

NJGal51 said...

This is all speculation on my part but remember when she was right up in his face over his having said his sister’s hair looked ugly? She made an offhand comment about not giving her those “scared” or “I’m in trouble eyes”. That tells me that she was probably right up in his face a lot. Maybe she’d done it one too many times and he finally lashed out at her.

Blowing In The Wind said...

Gloria and her rates...

One of Moore's victims did an interview this morning and was asked if she's being paid for her story. She said that she wasn't, although there was a bit of hesitation before she answered it. Who is paying Gloria? I can't imagine she's representing victims out of the goodness of her heart.

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I’m betting Gloria does do it for free but makes huge bank by requiring a percentage of the settlement payout and any paid media appearances. Maybe even a third or half. It’s a win win for her because she looks benevolent representing all these women for “free” but makes huge bank on the back end every time she bullies the other side into a settlement. Somebody’s gotta pay for those suits she has!

FlimsyFlamsy said...

NJGal51 (#145), I'd stopped watching long before that episode. But I've read about that scene here, and it's pretty sickening when you think about it. This child grew up in a fish bowl. And his mother, in commenting about his scared reaction as being typical, essentially busted herself as the horrible mother she was. Why would a child be scared if there was nothing to be scared of?
He was scared because, by her own admission, she used to BEAT him.

That poor kid. He wanted desperately to please her, but he could never figure out what she wanted. Imagine when one day
he watches the episodes he wasn't a part of, and sees that his absence meant nothing to her. He's not an 18-year-old away at college, but a boy removed from his home.
She's glad he's gone.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

An incredible amount of shocking sexual assault allegations are coming out about CA rep Raul Bocanegra. Staunch democrat. The minute you gloat about one party in a tailspin your party is next. Here we are. Charlie Rose and Ryan Seacreat are next, neither of whom run very conservative. Seems to me this is about power, not party.

All This Is That said...

I just read the report on Rose. Why do these dirty old men think that any young women would even have the slightest interest in touching him or swimming nude in front of him? I mean, ugh, he's gross and nothing at all is physically appealing about him, even for an elderly desperate woman.

All This Is That said...

An incredible amount of shocking sexual assault allegations are coming out about CA rep Raul Bocanegra. Staunch democrat. The minute you gloat about one party in a tailspin your party is next. Here we are. Charlie Rose and Ryan Seacreat are next, neither of whom run very conservative. Seems to me this is about power, not party.

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Why don't they publish a list of celebrities and politicians who haven't been accused of groping molestation?

Tucker's Mom said...

FlimsyFlamsy said... 148
NJGal51 (#145), I'd stopped watching long before that episode. But I've read about that scene here, and it's pretty sickening when you think about it. This child grew up in a fish bowl. And his mother, in commenting about his scared reaction as being typical, essentially busted herself as the horrible mother she was. Why would a child be scared if there was nothing to be scared of?
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It was very apparent that Collin was used to getting called on the carpet. It was sickening to see Kate do it for the cameras, and believe me, she was performing her heart out.
Everything on that show was manipulated and in this instance, Collin's pretty small transgression was blown WAY out of proportion so that Kate could establish that she was addressing his "special needs" while doing her couch monologue.
That set the groundwork for giving the audience an expectation of things to come, so that when what I think Kate long planned-getting Collin out of the house-actually happened.

She basically set precedent.

All This Is That said...

I’m betting Gloria does do it for free but makes huge bank by requiring a percentage of the settlement payout and any paid media appearances.

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But if they claim they are not doing it for money and there's no settlement on the table, then poor Gloria is left penniless.

Tucker's Mom said...

An incredible amount of shocking sexual assault allegations are coming out about CA rep Raul Bocanegra. Staunch democrat
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Jeez, I just Googled these stories and he's pretty damn aggressive. Have there been stories about him for awhile

Also, how does this guy get to serve out his term for almost another year?
After knowing he's done these things?

Tucker's Mom said...

I read the WaPo article on Charlie Rose. He is sadistic and seemed to enjoy playing with his victims, just barely toeing the line, and manipulating them by alternating between aggression and kindness.

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Jeez, I just Googled these stories and he's pretty damn aggressive. Have there been stories about him for awhile


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Oh my god, it's so bad!!

And this from that smug legislature in Sacramento. I think they really think they are leaders in women's rights, equal rights. A model to other states.

Hypocritical tools.

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Why don't they publish a list of celebrities and politicians who haven't been accused of groping molestation?


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It's rampant, and it makes me all the more frustrated that so many women have not stood up for themselves and for future victims. It's basically talk the talk but not walking the walk. Women's lib until the rubber meets the road then slink away and hide. Women have been failed somehow. Perhaps by our own parents for not giving us enough gumption and teaching us to stand by our boundaries, perhaps there has not been enough education that this is not okay. And for many, they have put money above morality.

All those pink hats in D.C., meanwhile so many of them were protecting predators and assaulters. I mean, what the hell ladies? This is just proof none of these movements have done a darn thing to improve women's lot in life. Not when you're going to keep covering for the men out there.

Tucker's Mom said...

And this from that smug legislature in Sacramento. I think they really think they are leaders in women's rights, equal rights. A model to other states.
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And that Seattle mayor Ed Murray- seems like he refused to step down amid allegation of preying on young boys, until his younger cousin came out with allegations.
WTH??

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I read the WaPo article on Charlie Rose. He is sadistic and seemed to enjoy playing with his victims, just barely toeing the line, and manipulating them by alternating between aggression and kindness.


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He scares me. It's the manipulation that's really creepy. Also I think his personality, so gentle, so unassuming. And THAT, I buy, is a true imbalance of power. Sharing gross sexual fantasies with them, late night phone calls, going after VERY young women and even INTERNS. All clearly unwanted. Come on, dude!

jolie Jacquelyn said...

WTF with these guys! Will there be any shows left to watch?

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Tucker's Mom (#152), and talk about having zero respect for your child's privacy. TFW signed up for putting her life on display, but that little boy did NOT. And the poor dopey sheeple see something like that and think it's some sweet candid moment, when TFW and C were surrounded by crew members, and the camera was capturing it for posterity. "Realest reality" my butt.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

GollyGee, are you out there? I don't think I've seen you post for a few days. I thought of you when I dropped off my Operation Christmas Child boxes last week!

Tucker's Mom said...

FlimsyFlamsy said... 161
Tucker's Mom (#152), and talk about having zero respect for your child's privacy. TFW signed up for putting her life on display, but that little boy did NOT. And the poor dopey sheeple see something like that and think it's some sweet candid moment, when TFW and C were surrounded by crew members, and the camera was capturing it for posterity. "Realest reality" my butt.
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I think we'll be having a Bill Clinton, come-to-Jesus moment years from now, when people in entertainment and in media will look back and admit what they knew filming kids naked and on the potty and bathing was wrong at the time, but the power and money controlled the narrative, and no one felt safe or had to courage to do the right thing and say, "This is wrong on so many levels. Children do not deserve to be treated like this".

Just like suddenly, Juanita Broaddrick is being believed and Paula Jones is being believe and Kathleen Willey is being believed, I think in the future, as a society, we'll give the child victims their due.

Sheepless In Seattle said...

Are their wives standing by their men, or just not commenting? I haven't had time to read all of these articles!

Has Gloria hired back-ups or understudies?

Sherry Baby said...

All This Is That said... 150
I just read the report on Rose. Why do these dirty old men think that any young women would even have the slightest interest in touching him or swimming nude in front of him? I mean, ugh, he's gross and nothing at all is physically appealing about him, even for an elderly desperate woman.

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I was thinking the same thing. Who would want to look at those geriatric worn-out parts, much less touch them? If I were interested in fossils, I'd study archaeology.

GollyGee said...

FlimsyFlamsy said... 162
GollyGee, are you out there? I don't think I've seen you post for a few days. I thought of you when I dropped off my Operation Christmas Child boxes last week!

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Waves at Flimsy! I posted a couple of posts and for some reason they didn't go through. I was working on the boxes, and thinking about my fellow posters who do the shoe boxes. Thank you so much!

I severely injured my knee almost 5 weeks ago and there is nothing they can do about it. The pain is bad but amazingly while I was packing the boxes the last couple of days before the deadline, the pain was 1-3, otherwise, it is 6 and over.

I think I was so focused on packing and getting the boxes done, I wasn't paying any attention to the pain. I managed to make 16 boxes and I am so happy that I was able to make it through the pain and even happier that children who have never been given a gift will get one.

Bless their hearts.

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I think we'll be having a Bill Clinton, come-to-Jesus moment years from now, when people in entertainment and in media will look back and admit what they knew filming kids naked and on the potty and bathing was wrong at the time, but the power and money controlled the narrative, and no one felt safe or had to courage to do the right thing and say, "This is wrong on so many levels. Children do not deserve to be treated like this".


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Sadly I envision dozens and dozens of kids coming forward just like women are coming forward now, sharing horrible stories about the industry.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Admin (#165), did you remember when one of the boy tups, either J or A, had something in his little hand and told the crew person to close his eyes and not to look at it? The kid had no concept of being on TV, and that what was in his hand was being seen by millions of people.

We've talked about each G child having his or her own way of processing what their mother -- and, yes, in the beginning, their father -- did to them by filming their childhoods for a paycheck. Their reactions could range from anger and disappointment, to outright betrayal. How could their private family moments be exposed to the world without their permission?

AuntieAnn said...

When Time magazine named Rose one of its 100 most influential people in 2014, billionaire and former New York City mayor Michael R. Bloomberg described him as “one of the most important and influential people in journalism.”

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To use Hannibal Lector's line, "Not anymore."

Ugh. Just reading that Washington Post article about Rose makes you feel violated. The man is a pig. He's lucky he didn't wake up one morning missing his schwanny. But predators like him know their prey and won't go after women who don't tolerate that behavior.

Dmasy said...

Golly, I am sorry to hear about your pain. Please know that I thought of you when I dropped off my shoeboxes. My collection point was a church here in New Braunfels. They were decked out -- complete with a Santa to greet me and huge Christmas tree. What a delightful experience. I will be sure to fill some boxes for next year.

Dmasy said...

Auntie -- you can be counted on to be a hearty laugh in my day. "Schwanny" is a NEW word for me!''

I will be sure to use is in a sentence today!

Formerly Duped said...

Golly, so sorry about your knee injury and pain. I hope it heals in time for Christmas if not sooner. I am doing a similar collection for kids- I always think of you and the shoebox project !

Dmasy said...

I am sure many of the ladies here are hustling to prepare for Thanksgiving. I wish all of you a wonderful family celebration.

My son was here last weekend. We had a premature celebration that included the tradition of participating in the Shiner Beer Run. Son runs the 1/2 marathon and I walk/jog the 5K. This was our 3rd consecutive year to attend.

Small town with a famous brewery. Some might say that it is counterproductive to enjoy free beer and brats after the exercise. They brew a special race beer recipe that is never marketed and is served on race day.

PS: I placed second in the 70-99 age bracket. Not sure if I am proud or appalled!

AuntieAnn said...

Dmasy- lol! I can't take credit for that one, that's Tucker's Mom's name for that part of the male anatomy. I've heard it called many things, but never a schwanny. It sure fits guys like Charlie.

Formerly Duped said...

Congrats, Dmasy, that's something to be proud of regardless of age group !

Happy Thanksgiving to all.I am thankful for all of you here who are friends: supportive, kind, experienced, informed, quirky, just swell gals!

Ana said...

I cannot believe C is still away. I understand sending your child away, but for a year and a half!? If he needed such intense therapy, Kate should've gotten him help years ago. You don't send your child away for the first time for this long. He must feel so abandoned. I pray Jon gets custody asap and he doesn't have to spend another holiday locked up without his family.

If C's issues are so extreme to the point he is not safe to be around his siblings, his mom certainly has the funds to hire a live-in caretaker/therapist so he always has someone with him.

A key component in therapy is having support from your family. He deserves to see both parents, all 7 siblings, his grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins, friends, and pets.

Kate, if you're reading this, put yourself in your son's shoes. These years go by so fast and you will never get this time back. Are there alternative solutions? Try letting Jon have C part-time and hiring a live-in caretaker. Cherish each day with all 8 of your kids.

I have all the faith in the world you can get C the help he needs and still have him be able to be with you and the rest of your family. Inpatient facilities are not the only option. If you don't at least give it a try, you won't know if he could thrive in the comfort of his own home surrounded by love in addition to receiving help from all the providers necessary. It's almost Thanksgiving...please open up your heart and let C back in. You gave birth to him and he deserves a seat at the table just like all of your children.




AuntieAnn said...

Dmasy, congratulations on your impressive placement. Free beer and brats would be my motivator, too!

And speaking of Thanksgiving and turkeys, njay - did you get your sandwich you were craving?

Just Missy said...

Dmasy said... 172

Your comment made me laugh out loud. Finishing any walk or run is an accomplishment. Happy thanksgiving to all of you. It’s been a rough year on many levels but I know I have lots of things to be thankful for.

Blowing In The Wind said...

Ugh. Just reading that Washington Post article about Rose makes you feel violated. The man is a pig. He's lucky he didn't wake up one morning missing his schwanny. But predators like him know their prey and won't go after women who don't tolerate that behavior.

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As Lorena once said, "Just bobb-itt."

Still Anonymous said...


Kate, if you're reading this, put yourself in your son's shoes. These years go by so fast and you will never get this time back. Are there alternative solutions? Try letting Jon have C part-time and hiring a live-in caretaker. Cherish each day with all 8 of your kids.

I have all the faith in the world you can get C the help he needs and still have him be able to be with you and the rest of your family. Inpatient facilities are not the only option. If you don't at least give it a try, you won't know if he could thrive in the comfort of his own home surrounded by love in addition to receiving help from all the providers necessary.
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Perhaps the professionals with first-hand knowledge of the situation recommended in-patient placement. I don’t know how you can say that he would be fine in the home with a “caretaker” without knowing what is going on with him.

You act as if he were removed from the home out of the blue, which is not true. From the little that we know (which is not much, nor should it be) he was first pulled out of his regular school for a year before being placed outside the home. This situation did not go from 0 to 180 overnight.

AuntieAnn said...

Blowing In The Wind said...

As Lorena once said, "Just bobb-itt."

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heh exactly. And she not only said it, she did it. Ouch.

It's still amazes me how quickly the police found something of that size that was tossed out of the window of a moving car in the dark of night. Talk about priorities.

Ingrid said...

Still Anonymous said... 180 Perhaps the professionals with first-hand knowledge of the situation recommended in-patient placement.

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I remember reading an article a long while ago that the professionals (doctors?) said something like after all they tried, they recommended sending him somewhere because the things they had done weren't helping. I am not sure if it was a quote of Kate's or some other "source".

Ingrid said...

Found it Since she said it who knows if it is true....

"It was on the advice of the doctors and it had to happen. He is plodding along and we are too," the Kate Plus 8star says. "It definitely was necessary, and I'll go to the ends of the earth for the best for each of them. This was the best thing I can do for him right now and that comforts me."

http://www.etonline.com/news/203357_kate_gosselin_opens_up_about_son_collin_whereabouts_and_ex_jon_threatening_legal_action

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But if they claim they are not doing it for money and there's no settlement on the table, then poor Gloria is left penniless.


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I think she has a complicated money making scheme where some clients are there for the big payouts and other are just there for the brand and recognition.

In other words it's worth it to her to take a few free clients here and there to keep her mug out there and the brand out there, as long as she still scores a few big payouts that year.

All she needs is a couple multi-million dollar settlements going through each year and she's good. The rest is all branding.

Layla said...

I'm wondering what's going to happen when Collin reaches adulthood. I doubt that Kate has any interest in bringing him home--ever--but he can't stay in a facility forever. When he reaches 18, he probably won't be covered by his parents' insurance. What happens when he is sent out into a world he doesn't understand? Will he get any support from his own family? How is he going to be able to function in society? Kate doesn't want anything to do with him, he has been alienated from his siblings, and he hasn't been allowed to see his father in years. Where is his support system? Who is there for him?

I hope he is released and gradually re-integrated into the family long before he reaches adulthood. I don't know whether Kate will allow him to come home, though. She will if it's filmed, for sure. It'll be one of her "big surprise" episodes, like when she brought Shoka back. Then she can ride that storyline for as long as possible, and when interest wanes and she can't collect a paycheck off him, send him back or give Jon custody of him.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

CBS gave a statement after firing Charlie Rose saying the reports are "very disturbing."

They've called this one exactly right. Now when will Al Franklin with his equally disturbing behavior step down?

CC said...

Ingrid said...
Found it Since she said it who knows if it is true....

"It was on the advice of the doctors and it had to happen. He is plodding along and we are too," the Kate Plus 8star says. "It definitely was necessary, and I'll go to the ends of the earth for the best for each of them. This was the best thing I can do for him right now and that comforts me."
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Ha. No way did Kate do what’s best for Collin. She did what was best for Kate.

Recently an article stated that the filming was too much for Collin. So instead of stopping filming Kate sent him away. Kate has her priorities.

AuntieAnn said...

Gloria portrays the image of the Mother Teresa of wronged women. There seems to be a lot of photos of her with her clients showing the woman on the verge of collapsing into her arms at the retelling of their stories. I get that some of them have been violently assaulted but I do wonder if more than a few of them have been coached backstage to do that fainting couch act. It makes for good press but it sort of weakens the advancement of gender equality.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

3) Grabbed a woman's butt while taking a pic. (According to you, that's no big deal when a Republican does it, but apparently it's "very disturbing" when a Democrat does it.)

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He lunged at her breasts, not her butt when he was taking the pic, and she was UNCONSCIOUS. She couldn't say no, she couldn't express her disgust, she couldn't leave, she couldn't report it to HR because she didn't know it was happening. All her usual remedies that many other women whining have readily available to them were stolen from her. She didn't even have a chance to address it. If you can't see the critical difference, you're hopeless.

Being unconscious is a crucial fact that elevates it from just creepy to PREDATORY.

Facts matter.

Get the facts straight, and then explain to me why the hypocritical Democrats aren't demanding he step down immediately. Not tomorrow, not later today. This MINUTE.

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Gloria portrays the image of the Mother Teresa of wronged women. There seems to be a lot of photos of her with her clients showing the woman on the verge of collapsing into her arms at the retelling of their stories.

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I have to hand it to her, her branding has been just short of genius.

For every scandal, there is someone waiting to make money off it, and Gloria has done that with the finesse of a great maestro and his orchestra. People really are stupid to fall for her.

Anonymous said...

What on earth is going on in Pennsylvania? According to the Daily Mail, 45 teachers have resigned in 3 months and those remaining are begging for help from the school board. One teacher said, "I have been hit, kicked and restrained from behind by first graders".

bm

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Al Franken has behaved like a pig. There is no indication that he has abused his power nor that he is in any way, shape or form a "sexual predator."


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Then we have a fundamental disagreement there is no point in discussing further.

He DID abuse his power, and he IS a predator. In the name of politics, you have decided to support this. Disgusting and hypocritical. You set women back.

NJGal51 said...

Get the facts straight, and then explain to me why the hypocritical Democrats aren't demanding he step down immediately. Not tomorrow, not later today. This MINUTE.
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They need his vote.

AuntieAnn said...

CC said...

Ha. No way did Kate do what's best for Collin. She did what was best for Kate.

Recently an article stated that the filming was too much for Collin. So instead of stopping filming Kate sent him away. Kate has her priorities.

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Was that the article where Kate said she had no choice but to send him away? What I took from that is it could have been court-ordered.

I agree with you. If Kate was held responsible for his removal she'll never admit it. She's very sly about her truthtelling when anyone comes close to calling her a bad mom. She'd gladly let it all rest on her child's shoulders rather than herself be held accountable for consequences of her parenting style.

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Maybe you should pose that question to LeeAnn Tweeden, since SHE doesn't think he should resign at all, let alone "this MINUTE." I guess she's just another disgusting, hypocritical Democrat, right? (Except I'm pretty sure she's not a Democrat...)

Her exact words:
“I didn’t do this to have him step down. I think Al Franken does a lot of good things in the Senate...”

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Oh good grief. I really don't care what she thinks. Just because the victim defends their accuser doesn't make the behavior right. THAT'S the whole problem, is that for decades, decades, women let guys get away with it. Here again she's giving him a pass.

There are numerous examples of victims defending their perps. Exhibit A, Roman Polanski and his child victim Samantha Gailey. Samantha has said numerous times now she wants him forgiven and exonerated. Um, NO Samantha, sorry.

A rudimentary understanding of psychology would have made you realize victims aren't always the strongest champions of their accusers. Can you think of any reasons why that is? Think about it.

Bottom line I really don't care what she thinks, frankly.

Tucker's Mom said...

BTW - to make it perfectly clear...Ivanka is/was the innocent
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Didn't Bobbit go on to post in PlayGirl or something?
Heck of a plastic surgeon!

Tucker's Mom said...

This was the best thing I can do for him right now and that comforts me."

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Kate's clever wordsmithing sure did make it sound like it was a short-term intervention and he'd come home again, didn't it?

Tucker's Mom said...

All she needs is a couple multi-million dollar settlements going through each year and she's good. The rest is all branding.
November 21, 2017 at 9:46 AM
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Like working with Paul Peterson and Rep. Murt on the Gosselin case, with Kevin and Jodi.
Allred did her patented press conference (TM) with Jodi, iirc.

Tucker's Mom said...

This situation did not go from 0 to 180 overnight.
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This is EXACTLY what Kate does.
Bob and Beth were very close for years and overnight, they were pariah.
Cast off. They wouldn't let Kate screw them out of the money they were due.
Jodi and Kevin were family and such a big part of the Gosselin kids' lives and just like *that*, they were shot out of Kate's life like a cannon.
Cast off.
Kate parents, didn't give Veruca Salt the childhood she so richly deserved and guess what?
Cast off.
Jon Gosselin was a wonderful husband and father, until he was more of a liability than an asset to Kate and her grand scheme.
Apparently, an alien abducted "old Daddy".

You seem to perhaps assume that Kate has good reason to cut people out of her life and send them into exile, and with Kate Gosselin, that's simply not the case.

Kate's #1 criteria for sending people away is expediency.

People become inconvenient for Kate.
People usurp too much attention for Kate.
People stand in the way of filming for Kate.
People deign to ask too many questions about filming children for Kate.
People no longer know how to help Kate.
Collin became more of a liability than asset to Kate.

Kate's maternal instinct is not what I consider normal.

And here's what will NEVER pass the sniff test for me. Jon was and is a good dad. We all saw how much he loves his children. No mother with any sense of maternal love for her child would choose to send him away before exhausting the possibility that sending him to live with his father would help him.

I will never believe that if given the chance, Jon would not have stepped up in a big way to help Collin.

Kate hates Jon more than she loves her kids.


Tucker's Mom said...

AuntieAnn said... 188
Gloria portrays the image of the Mother Teresa of wronged women. There seems to be a lot of photos of her with her clients showing the woman on the verge of collapsing into her arms at the retelling of their stories
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It's all about theater for Allred.

Tucker's Mom said...

Anonymous said... 191
What on earth is going on in Pennsylvania? According to the Daily Mail, 45 teachers have resigned in 3 months and those remaining are begging for help from the school board. One teacher said, "I have been hit, kicked and restrained from behind by first graders".

bm
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It must be frustrating and scary to be a teacher these days.
Between a$$hole parents raising snowflakes, to being so restricted in what you can do even verbally to control children, it's got to be tough.

Tucker's Mom said...

NJGal51 said... 193
Get the facts straight, and then explain to me why the hypocritical Democrats aren't demanding he step down immediately. Not tomorrow, not later today. This MINUTE.
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They need his vote.
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IMO, what's really confounding in these cases involving people like Moore and Franken is that because politics has become so partisan and tribal, everything is based on calculus, not what's right, ethical and moral.
Because there is virtually no working across the aisle in a bipartisan fashion, every. single. vote. counts.
Losing just ONE vote can mean Trump's law gets passed or not, or ONE vote can be the difference in putting a liberal or conservative judge on the bench, etc. etc.

I could go on and on about why I think we've arrived at this abysmal place, but... ;-)

Tucker's Mom said...


I agree with you. If Kate was held responsible for his removal she'll never admit it. She's very sly about her truthtelling when anyone comes close to calling her a bad mom
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Kate is a postmodernist's dream. Mumbo jumbo and jargon talk just comes naturally to her.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Meanwhile, as you pop a vein over Al Franken, your beloved president Donald Trump is busy defending a pedophile...

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He did no such thing. Stop lying. All he said was that he is not a fan of the positions the other candidate has on various issues, which is true and neither am I, and that it's kind of odd that this hasn't come up in 40 years and that Roy continues to deny it. He stated the facts. He has also previously said the allegations were very troubling, Ivanka has concurred, and the White House's statement on this is that this is pretty much up to voters, which is also true. Nothing about anything of this is anything to lose your mind over.

I have to admit even I'm a little baffled by Roy Moore's vehement denials. Are you following this? He's even getting handwriting experts to prove that's all a lie. He is either totally insane, or telling the truth. My money is on insane, but stranger things have happened.

But God forbid we are allowed to have an actual discussion about a rather odd case lest we be labeled "defending a pedophile". A bizarre desire to shut down opinions was how you lost the election, so, keep on going with that and see where it leads you.

Rainbowsandunicorns said...

It's still amazes me how quickly the police found something of that size that was tossed out of the window of a moving car in the dark of night. Talk about priorities.

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I'm surprised the animals didn't find it first and take it home for their annual wienie roast.

Rainbowsandunicorns said...

Nick Carter is mow on the list, having been accused of rape. I skimmed over the article and apparently he raped a teen pop star in 2004. After the rape he performed oral sex, and then took her into a bathroom and told her to do the same for him, and I guess she did.

Before it even got to that point, wouldn't you run out off there screaming and report it?

I dunno know. Why do I not believe this chick?

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