Friday, November 3, 2017

Recap: Kate Plus 8 "The Finale": Move over, Angelina Jolie

Still finishing out the last few remaining recaps I haven't done and we now come to the series finale, from September 2011.

If you're wondering why there were about 30 new episodes of this God forsaken mess that aired long after "The Finale" aired, well, you should be. As you may recall from long, long ago, this show really did have a pretty big cancellation announcement six years ago, with tears and regrets and fans in a tizzy. It was 2011, just a hair before television really started to change, for the better (for the most part). There are a lot more platforms to get a series on television these days, and television has been expanding, giving viewers a lot more choices and niche genres. Shows regular networks never would have taken a chance on have thrived on services like Netflix, Amazon Prime or Hulu. This expansion has left a lot more room for shows to get their reunion episodes, or for many, a total revival.

Back in the day, if your series were cancelled, you really were cancelled. You would never be heard from again other than the $9.99 DVD bin at the grocery store. A few very good series got a reunion episode or two, or even a movie, but that was rare.

Some of these revived shows they've put together recently are simply charming and a wonderful throwback, like Full House or Gilmore Girls. Others should never have been messed with, like Boy Meets World and Will and Grace. Kate got her revival too, starting back up again in 2014 to the present, and it never should have happened. The kids were older and more outspoken and disgruntled, and as we now know during much of this time, Collin was having such serious issues he is no longer living in the family home. The family should never have gone back on T.V. post-2011, but here we are.

An unintended consequence of this sea change is that revived shows like Kate Plus 8 seem to be surviving on much lower ratings than they ever could before, and new episodes are being ordered, albeit on obviously lower budgets, when they never would have been before. Voting with your remote doesn't seem to make much of a difference these days, with such low audiences. So in sum, the changing T.V. landscape is great for most shows, but breathes life into a few that shouldn't be here, with little to no way for viewers to get them off their screens.

Another interesting thing that seems to have happened is networks don't seem to be making grand cancellation announcements anymore, not usually anyway. Probably because they want to leave a door open. I'm not even really sure if Kate Plus 8 got the axe again this year; TLC was never really clear. For those whose incomes depend on their series, not just the talent but the local production companies, such treatment is rather cold, but as we learned now more than ever recently, Hollywood is more self-interested and devoid of any morals or accountability than we ever imagined.

Predictably, this show is going to be full of old clips we've seen before, some many times before. But they also do an unusual format for this show where some of the major players sit down for a one-on-one interview, like Steve, Ashley, and Jamie, who remarks that she always tells Kate she's not Angelina Jolie. Baw, she's pretty good sometimes.

Interestedly enough, old clips of Jon are shown, which invokes legal implications, like possibly having to pay him again. I wonder how that all shook out and whether he noticed and demanded his check.

This aired just after the infamous RV episodes, so we're going to rehash all the drama of those. You can review my recaps here and here if you're interested in the finer details, but the short story is Kate actually thinks she did everything on the RV trip and was pleasant at it too, and that was really f-ing obnoxious to those who actually were doing it all and exhausted, like Ashley and Jamie.

Kate is actually blaming her nasty troll-like behavior on that trip on stress and the hot weather. Classic not taking responsibility for her role as chief instigator.

I like how the Kiwis say tense. Sounds like "teens."

This segment goes on and on.

Jamie I think at her heart is a good person with a good head on her shoulders, despite her misguided friendship with Kate. Jamie says fine blame it on stress, but the reality is that is no excuse to treat the people who love you and support you the most poorly. Well, right! Also, I really like how the producers obviously interviewed Kate first, then went tattle-taling to everyone else about what she said to see what they would say. Heh!

This reminds me of a scene in the upcoming season of The Crown, which has had a great opportunity to show itself off thanks to the changing landscape of TV I was just talking about. It is one of the best series I've ever seen, a slow but delicious plod month by month through Queen Elizabeth II's life starting at age 20. (It will go on many seasons as long as it continues to do well. We're only up to her early 30's now.) In it Queen Elizabeth appears to be irritated by everything going to shit around her--the prime minister resigning, her sister on all the front pages of the tabloids, her mother always on her case. All of this makes her job harder. And Phillip, her husband, stares her down and asks her if it occurs to her that she has people in her life who are there for her no matter what.



"If only," Elizabeth replies.

I think Elizabeth has grown tremendously as she's aged, and learned a lot in particular since Diana's death. She wouldn't say something like that now, but I think that incapsulates her when she was younger. And much like Kate, who is also an "if only" person despite being surrounded by those who love her unequivocally, E-2 struggled to grasp and respond to normal love and friendships. It was all duty, country, and preservation of the crown.

The only thing I can say to the lovely Ashley is just get out. This is a toxic relationship no matter how much you love the children and it's never going to change.

Kate is truly, truly a cold woman. When viewing Ashley's outburst on the RV trip afterward, she calls Ashley "over-dramatic." She's outrageous. Can't she just keep that comment to herself and just try to mend things with a nanny that the children love? So unbelievably selfish. She fits right into the industry she so wants to be a part of.

Ha, Ashley says she regrets not saying more on that trip. Good for her.

Steve admits that he too had thought about leaving but he committed to this trip. So noble. Jamie kind of considered it but didn't want to hurt any of the kids including her own so she stuck it out. That's just maturity is all.

Kate says funny enough she and Ashley have never even had a small disagreement before. That's because, doofus, someone like Ashley puts the kids first and hasn't said how she really felt all this time. That was good for the kids, but not for Ashley. It's clear her outburst had been building for years.

It's hard to tell whether they're really going to patch things up or not but Ashley said they did have small talk conversations a few times since and Kate has said she is welcome anytime. Well Kate isn't about to let a lackey go just like that no matter how big the fight was.

Benevolent Kate says she still loves Ashley, Ashley can do no wrong, and it's up to Ashley whether she would like to keep on loving them in return or not. It's unbelievable how insane Kate is. Why can't she understand this has nothing to do with Ashley's love for the children, and everything to do with a young woman finally finding her voice and developing her own personal boundaries? Ashley's maybe 23, 24 here, I don't know. Point being she's around the age where a young person is really delving deep into their feelings and getting to know who they are and what they really want out of relationships even platonic ones. This is the age where you might decide to leave an old friend from high school behind because they've become an alcoholic, finally estrange a parent who is cruel and abusive, and around the time when many people say they had their first "real" relationship with a boyfriend or girlfriend. But love is not something you can just shut off like a faucet. Even if Ashley decides she can no longer be around the family, I can promise you she will always love the children. When love becomes too much to bear because either the person you love or someone around who you love is making you miserable, everyone must eventually make a tough choice.

That wonderful University of Phoenix ad plays again. "What if I swore I'd succeed so you could wake up one day with the choice to be anything you wanted?" Bawling! Bet that hard-working grandma never spent one second wallowing about some sexist pig in the office and posting trite "#Metoo"'s on instagram, and instead just told him to buzz off and then got on with it.



At the time they interviewed the kids for this last episode, no one knew this show was ever coming back. An off camera producer asks some of the sextuplets how they feel about the show ending. The kids look confused by this question. They blurt out canned answers like it's sad, but tellingly, are unable to articulate what about this that is so sad. In fact Alexis says she's sad because she's sad. Wow, the kid doesn't understand this, like, at all! I think they are either so used to this show they don't even realize what it means for it to be over, or if they do this means really nothing to them. But I don't believe they truly feel sad about this, so this idea the show must carry on because the kids need it, as Kate has suggested, is nonsense.

Kate says they owed viewers a last episode that tied everything up. I don't know what that means, tying up your real life as if there's loose plot lines that still need to be resolved like it's the The Walking Dead. But they don't owe the creepy fans anything, and that's step one of her problem.

Kate actually doesn't look sad to me either, even though she says she is. I can literally see the creaky ole botoxed wheels turning, I think she has something in mind that will bring in lots of money after this is over. Most likely a spinoff all about her, maybe a stint as a host on a talk show, some kind of wildly successful product line. She did try things like this after the show was cancelled and absolutely nothing panned out, but point being I think she thought at the time this was the start of her next even better career where she can finally ditch these kids. I swear to God, there is a glimmer of excitement in her eyes she can finally move on to other things.

Weird spa music is playing in the background. I want someone to crack my shoulders!

They show a little bit of Jon and Kate recording the opening segment from the original show, which I actually find rather interesting, because if anything it shows that they are doing what looks like dozens of takes. Jen is there, being a very patient and supportive producer. When they let us in to little behind the scenes moments like this, it becomes all the clearer how heavily produced this show was no matter how much Kate has tried to deny it. It is no wonder a boy with special needs could not thrive to his fullest potential under such conditions.

Kate gives yet another explanation for why they're on T.V. and I swear I've never heard this one before. They owe it to the little old grandmas who sent them 10 bucks here and there. Kate needs to let them know they're doing okay. Huh? Who old ladies what? And why can't you pick up the phone and call your supporters and let them know how you're doing, or get everyone's addresses and send a stupid Christmas letter update every year with a photo? How do you even know these old ladies have cable? I wonder if she's updated the little old grandmas on Collin. He's not doing well, ladies.

Oh, burn, Jamie says the person she met at Reading hospital (I didn't know they met at Reading hospital, was that where the multiples support group was?) was kinder and gentler. Now Kate is all about TV, how skinny she is and what she's wearing. I really can't believe Jamie is saying this! This is the juicy shit you say on secret video tapes to your biographer not to be played for forty years. What's next, Jamie hates Martin Luther King, too? Jamie must have been really upset about the RV trip to just blurt all this out like this. Wow.

Kate says about a million times there's no going back from this. Oh, that's just silly. Americans are the most fickle audiences ever and with rare exception, quickly forget about shows they watched and has-been celebs they were fans of. Try it. Name a T.V. show that was cancelled two years ago and two of its stars. Bet you have to think long and hard, because viewers just forget that stuff and move on to the next show.

A bunch of creepy footage of paparazzi.

I don't remember this story at all, Kate says they did a T.V. spot and a man was hanging around them and putting the kids in his lap. What?! Who was this creep, how did this happen, and why didn't they call security or even the police? Surely even small TV stations have at least one security guard. And shouldn't this have been a huge, huge red flag to you this industry is very dangerous for children? So many questions, no logical answers. After that Kate knew she needed a booby-guard.

Lol, I love when these talking heads unintentionally insult Kate. Steve says he quickly realized after booby-guarding for Kate there was some notoriety here. Heh.

Jon was always ready to quit the show, says Kate. I think that is a pretty big revelation, because a lot of fans have implied that he up and quit just to spite Kate during the divorce. In fact, Kate has unintentionally admitted, quitting had been brewing for him and was no sudden matter or bore any connection to trying to slam her in the divorce.

What's an episode without Kate getting a chance to slam her parents again? Kate rarely if ever left the state growing up and she wanted something different for her kids. Wouldn't you remember whether you left the state or not growing up? And boo-freaking hoo you never went anywhere. It's not like Pennsylvania is 100 square miles. It's a huge beautiful state, with endless things to see and do. You could spend a decade there and never even get close to seeing everything. Also, parents do not owe children trips out of the state. The bigger question is did her parents do the best they could with what they had? Did they do their best to teach their children good values? Did they enrich their minds with good schooling, plenty of books and music? Did they teach and show them love?

Her dad is or was a pastor. No matter what your beliefs are, religious leaders are usually a noble profession and most are very good men and women who often do a whole lot of schooling to not get paid very much. I've never heard one ounce of gratitude for the role he has played in her community. If her dad is like most pastors, he's probably sat up with a family for 18 hours while their toddler gets heart surgery, held the hand of a grandmother dying of cancer and read her scripture, coordinated help for a family who lost everything in a house fire. You're a first responder to the spiritual side of people, and on call all day and night. Nothing, nothing at all ever from Kate about admiration for this?

I think her parents just popped a lemon with this one, because from the bits and pieces we've seen of some of her other siblings, they seem like decent people. I highly doubt her parents were sitting on a pile of money refusing to spend it on the trip Kate wanted to Florida out of spite. Kate is lucky she had a roof over her head, a full belly, great schools and sports, the best medical care around, good friends and a nice safe small town to grow up in. Some families would kill for such a cookie-cutter place to grow up. What an ungrateful waste of space.

Kate said she thought of the kids twenty years from now and what they would think of her decisions, and that influences her choices. How dare she speak for what her kids will think about their lives 20 years from now and how dare she assume her 30-year-old children will be just fine with her decisions just because she thought of what they would think in advance. And how convenient for her that she insists the decisions she makes just happen to be the ones a 30-year-old Gosselin kid would fully support, given that there is no 30-year-old kid yet to consult. What a nut job! It's really not her place to speculate how the children will feel and it's insulting. And if you're paying attention, the narrative has changed again. The show was supposed to be for the little old ladies. Now I think she's realized that answer is stupid, and so she's moved the goal posts to say that if she doesn't do the show her kids will have a piddly growing up existence like she did and because she resents it she's sure they would too. What an assumer and an ass-hat. She needs to read Christopher Robin Milne's books about being haplessly thrust into fame when he was in grade school. All he wanted, all he wanted in the whole world, is to just be a normal boy no kid knows, and get his parents back, his toys back, and his damn woods back. One could just as easily assume a Gosselin kid might grow up and all they want in the world was to have a normal childhood to look back on. Why not assume that just as easily?

Kate says the show has been a great opportunity to "travel" the kids. Travel them? How about, it was a great opportunity for the kids to travel? Awkward phrasing, she makes it sound like the kids are objects, which she's done on several occasions, so this is not a fluke.

Point being, no one knows how these kids will eventually feel about their childhoods, not us, not even their mother. So then why risk it? Why not just give them a normal childhood so you'll never have to worry that they might not eventually like their extremely abnormal one? Selfishness and greed on her part is the answer to this rhetorical question. The only sad thing is she can't admit she exploited the kids for her not for them, and that the grown children may have the biggest problem with of all.

Kate pats herself on the back for about five minutes about how she did it all by her lonesome when the kids were little, again leaving out Jon and the helpers.

People told her they would have liked to just stand at their window and look in. What creepy person said this and was her name Gladys?

One of the few things Kate says that is correct is that over time viewers fell in love with the kids. I think that's true for most fans and non-fans alike. We had some buy in with these kids, we like them even though they have faults, some more than others, and the faults they do have we understand are directly related to an exploited childhood and terrible parenting and therefore forgivable. So, she understands viewers genuinely have a stake here. But doesn't seem to understand much else. The fact that Collin is just gone, poof, for so long, is truly upsetting to fans and non-fans alike, and that's directly related to the years viewers spent watching him grow up and giving a tiny piece of the T.V. portion of our hearts to him. The little bones she throws out there about him are toying, manipulative behavior, like a cat with a mouse, and that's really screwed up.

Kate says she and Jon had vastly different views on how they see the world, which is why the show was interesting. That's true. Here's a little hint, if you and your boyfriend or fiance can't agree on anything, your marriage is very, very unlikely to work. Frankly that goes for Jon too. He should have called this off or spent longer dating her before putting a ring on it. He was only 22, he could have waited another decade to make sure this was right. Now he's paying. Makes for good T.V., but a bad marriage.

Steve says he thinks couples would watch this show and say, thank God I'm not as useless as that. Implying Jon?? Useless? Oh my God! What a jerkwad! Was he paying attention at all when he watched these episodes? Jon did it all including working and caring for the kids and Kate accepted coffee delivered to her bedside when she woke up, then put the kids behind bars all day and gave orders and freaked out about $10 off coupons. No, couples were saying thank God we respect and appreciate each other like she doesn't and are good to our children.

Kate admits after a producer comes up with the idea that maybe the kids like watching the old episodes to see her and Jon together. Well, that's a rather sad though probably true thought and never anything Kate would have come to on her own because she has no feelings.

Apparently Kate's kids are like no other kids in the world and can remember all these things they did as if they were 10, not toddlers, says Kate. Well, we've since learned that's a load of malarky. In the recent trivia episode the kids really struggled to remember much about the show at all. So doing this for the trips was mostly pointless for them. What else ya got?

Lol, Kate is blaming her totally unacceptable behavior on editing. She also blames her nastiness on, get a load of this, the kids asking too many questions of her. She actually says this. She's too much. Poor Kate, no other mother has ever had to deal with why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why. Well maybe they have, but I bet you not times six! So there!



Mady is parroting Kate's reasons for what she liked the most about the show. We never had time to make our own home videos, Mady echoes. Well, we know that is malarky too, since at Mady's 16th birthday, Kate herself admitted that she was filming every day once the twins were born, and even put together a very long compilation for their birthday. I'm sure there was less time for that once 6 babies were here, but we still saw home videos of them she or Jon took, and surely just whipping out a little camcorder and taping a few moments is far less time consuming than organizing the taping over several days with an entire camera crew. Come on!

She talks about the kids' favorite things and Collin's is the chickens. Aw. She got rid of that little boy and got rid of his favorite things next. Wth, lady!

Alexis has absolutely the most darling Anna Wintour haircut. I never remember seeing that before or since but it's nice to see her have some individually for once.

She's defending cupcake gate again. Man, that incident really bothers her the most of all huh? She says just the other day some of the kids didn't get their cupcakes. That is a stubborn and defensive thing to say. She is twelve.

Kate is still boo-hooing about a divorce that even in this episode was a long time ago. She works up some tearless tears. She says she couldn't make Jon want to be there. Um, it's not that Jon doesn't want to be "there." Jon just doesn't want to be with you, doofus, and since you're always "there" that becomes a problem now doesn't it. And wait a second, didn't she file for divorce? Lol!

Kate is in agreeance over the divorce. Gaa, that word. Well that's good to know, because she was the one who filed.

Kate is defending herself about the divorce again saying they had to do it in public and she did so tastefully and they would have gotten divorced show or not blah blah. There was absolutely nothing tasteful about her embarrassing purseful of bills pity tour and all the below-the-belt comments she made about Jon in various venues. It was pathetic and self-serving. It was basically like Grey Gardens tasteful.

That tough as nails grandmother commercial is back again! I really remain perpetually in awe of the Greatest Generation and what they endured in the name of freedom, especially those who were kids and endured months of bombings straight or in the alternative were sent up north to live with total strangers. I fear we are no longer honoring their sacrifices and have become far too tolerant of the crap they sought to end once and for all, and my God are our feelings ever hurt just like that. I really recommend the Imperial War Museum if you are ever in London. It's comprehensive, incredibly moving, and free. For kids who don't know much about civilian life during WW2, I hope this commercial causes them to ask their parents, what was that bombing about when she was a kid?

Ashley saw the divorce coming a mile away but was in denial, like it was her own parents. Ashley, bless you, but a blind and deaf centipede could see this divorce coming.

I hate when people do what Kate does when telling a story and ask themselves questions and then answer them themselves immediately after. Was I proud of that no? Did I love that? No. Would I like a grilled cheese for lunch? You bet.

Annoying.

The editors are being mean here. When Kate remarks she and Jon have different parenting ideas, they show Jon texting on his phone while Hannah is trying to ask him something. Maybe it was an important text, or something to do with the kids or work. Or even if it wasn't you don't have to leap to attention every time your kid demands something of you, as long as there's a balance. It's fine kids know there are other things going on for their parents besides their spoiled children. How about tell the kid, I just need 30 more seconds to finish up this text I was writing before you started talking to me and then we will talk, okay baby? It's good for them to learn to wait.

Like no parent has ever been on their phone before while their kid is talking to them, including Kate herself. Stop it. In later years, the editors were far more fair to Jon and could be mean to Kate. It's clear they've come around.

There's a whole lot of rambling and fluff here about the divorce, like it just happened. Keep in mind, even in this episode it was three years ago. Yeesh.

The vow renewal episode was not a hoax, Kate insists. A hoax? That's a strong word. I think we just said they knew then they were separating even while taking that free trip, that's all. What's next the vow renewal is going to show up on snopes.com? Eh, I'll call this rumor MOSTLY TRUE.

Kate can't bring herself to say she does not regret the marriage because of the kids she got out of it even though the statement was spoon-fed to her to say. She hates Jon more than she loves her kids.

Did Kate actually just say Jon was there for the family and did anything she asked of him to do. Wha-what! A moment of clarity. Good, glad she said that. Now go tell your lackey Steve and the idiot sheeple to stop re-writing history.

In a flashback, Kate and Jon have a light-hearted laugh over some of the kids insisting they are more Korean than others. I feel like this conversation would be extremely offensive to snowflakes in 2017. They would probably start a hashtag campaign, or want somebody fired.

Oh lovely, the kids nickname that crew member who never showers "Stinky." That is hilarious to a kid, but should be horrifying to a parent. He probably smells like pot, too. That's crew members, folks.

Kate admits there is only one original member of the crew left. Well, that's not surprising at all. Crews come and go. Better or more interesting projects come along, or promotions, or career changes. The idea the children should be encouraged to have such real bonds with such a transient lot is very concerning.

Hm, um um I guess Kate says she will have to get a job now. Uhhh ya think? Go to work, you able bodied woman. Good Lord. Lol, the future holds T.V. and media for me, says Kate. She's so arrogant. You have to get somebody to put you on T.V. first. Oh and um thank you to the cheerleaders, says Kate. Who? Is she talking about the fans, the helpers, both? Could she be a little bit more specific when thanking people?? Why is Kate fake crying? She's not sad at all. She clearly thinks she's winning an Emmy for whatever her next project is.

Without the show Mady says she would have to sit at home and stare at the walls. I'm sure that's the lie her mother tells her. She'll resent this coaching someday. I wonder when Mady realized that not having a T.V. show does not mean a very full and enriching life is cut off from you. And with a little effort a parent can provide endless fun and enrichment that is either cheap or free. A middle class or even poor child can have a good and happy life and the idea that Kate keeps implying that the only path to happiness is to do what she did is nothing but insulting.

This is a long recap. Thanks for bearing with me. It was a full 42 minute episode unfortunately, but it was full of rather notable comments and revelations that just couldn't be glossed over. When Kate is allowed to just run her mouth, recapable stuff always seems to diarrhea out.

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AuntieAnn said...

When viewing Ashley's outburst on the RV trip afterward, she calls Ashley "over-dramatic." 

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Well if that ain't the pot calling the kettle black, I don't know what is. Kate is notorious for her hysterics. Over-dramatics is her insignia. If she had a coat of arms it would be a banshee wrapped around a big red plastic spoon. I'm sure more went on between Kate and Ashley that was not shown in the episode, otherwise why would Ashley up and leave like she did.

I wonder if TLC in all its wisdom has kept every piece of footage that fell on the editing room floor, of Kate's meltdowns and tantrums. Maybe that will be an emmy-winning episode someday.

Tucker's Mom said...

Back in the day, if your series were cancelled, you really were cancelled. You would never be heard from again other than the $9.99 DVD bin at the grocery store. A few very good series got a reunion episode or two, or even a movie, but that was rare.
*******
Or if your show is in Britain, you maybe get a Christmas special.

Can you tell I'm addicted to Acorn TV?!

Tucker's Mom said...

Kate calling Ashley over dramatic is just more evidence of her abusive nature.
Someone does something to hurt you or make you angry, and they give you the, "C'mon, stop being a baby" routine?

Abuse.

Formerly Duped said...

Thanks for the recap, Admin. I don't even remember most of this ! Was this when Mady said she sits in bed all day or just that they would stare at the walls without a camera?

RoxyHelen said...

Only thing I remember from this episode were the tups gleefully waving and saying "Bye" to the cameras and leaving the couches. Oh yeah, truly devastated kids...

Tucker's Mom said...

Ha, Ashley says she regrets not saying more on that trip. Good for her.

Steve admits that he too had thought about leaving but he committed to this trip. So noble. Jamie kind of considered it but didn't want to hurt any of the kids including her own so she stuck it out. That's just maturity is all.
^^^^^^^
Good for Jamie. I think she did the right thing. Get out and stop playing, "Let's film a show".
But, IIRC, as for the others sticking it out until the end, TLC was dangling a nice carrot at the end of the stick: a lux trip to Las Vegas.

Layla said...

Out of curiosity I checked out the Figure 9 website, and it says there are new episodes of K+8 coming up in December. It also says that Salvage Wars season 4 is premiering in May (season 4 of that show aired in 2014-2015) and season 6 of Sister Wives is coming up on TLC (that season also aired in 2014-2015). Which makes me think the Figure 8 site is completely out of date. You never know--I guess we'll find out next month.

Jamesvader1194 said...

@Layla I checked twitter to see if i can find any sighting of Kate....NADA!It seems posting the halloween picture without collin is coming to bite her since thats all i see on twitter.I would think that if there was new episodes she'd be both posting like crazy and commenting to fans.So im skeptical of that claim.

MikeB said...

The Figure 8 website popup dialogue is quite a bit out of date but if you click through it seems current. Nothing on the Kate + 8 page about future episodes.

Very ironic though, on the "Six Teenagers" episode page there is only a picture of the five that are home and "Kate talks about having eight teenagers under one roof" when Collin had been gone for over a year and there isn't any indication he'll return any time soon. Figure 8 is complicit whitewashing Collin's absence.

Layla said...

MikeB (9),
When you click on K+8 (on the Figure 8 site) it links you to the TLC site. They don't have anything of their own on there. All the show descriptions are way out of date. They describe Jazz as being 11 (she is 17), the McGhee sextuplets as 5 (they are 7), and Counting on is still listed as "Jill and Jessa Counting On". The picture of K+8 is several years old. If you hover over the K+8 box, it says new episodes coming in December, but they have no content of their own--just links to TLC. So yeah, I think the Figure 8 Films site needs some major updating.

Tucker's Mom said...

I swear to God, there is a glimmer of excitement in her eyes she can finally move on to other things.
^^^^
I noted that, too. Kate was loving sitting on here chair, in the spotlight, all glammed up.
Despite her protestations about "piecin' and patchin" and kids wailing x 8, she seems upbeat, cocky even.

Tucker's Mom said...

Kate gives yet another explanation for why they're on T.V. and I swear I've never heard this one before. They owe it to the little old grandmas who sent them 10 bucks here and there. Kate needs to let them know they're doing okay. Huh? Who old ladies what? And why can't you pick up the phone and call your supporters and let them know how you're doing, or get everyone's addresses and send a stupid Christmas letter update every year with a photo? How do you even know these old ladies have cable? I wonder if she's updated the little old grandmas on Collin. He's not doing well, ladies.
^^^^^
Ooh, here's an idea... a BLOG!!
Complete with updates that can fulfill the needs of the grandmas who gave Kate their $10, misguidedly.

Anonymous said...

From the Daily Mail Online: DAILY MAIL EXCLUSIVE: Judge sides with Josh Duggar and tosses lawsuit after ruling the DJ who accused the reality star of stealing his photo and using it for his online dating profiles filed in the WRONG state."

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ncgirl said...

"I don't remember this story at all, Kate says they did a T.V. spot and a man was hanging around them and putting the kids in his lap."

I remember that. In her mind, it justified her need for Skeeve. Funny how she was concerned for the kids, but he was her bodyguard.

Sheepless In Seattle said...

.I would think that if there was new episodes she'd be both posting like crazy and commenting to fans.So im skeptical of that claim.

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Doesn't she usually wait until the last minute to promote the shows, and sometimes doesn't do it at all? Moreover, I'm not so sure that TLC tells her when episodes will be aired.

NJGal51 said...

Alrighty then......here’s an odd ball that’s come out on twitter. Just WTF!

@Sanga8: @Kateplusmy8 She sent her son away. May I remind you Charles Manson, Jefferys Dahmer, Ramirez. There parents knew they were crazy.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

the DJ who accused the reality star of stealing his photo and using it for his online dating profiles filed in the WRONG state."

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Great, a technicality!!

Anonymous said...

Let's hope the DJ re-files in the proper jurisdiction.

bm

Layla said...

Oh yes, Kate loved having the camera al to herself. She really thought she could find a show of her own, where she wouldn't have to share the spotlight with the kids, when K+8 was cancelled. It must have come as a shock to her when she didn't get anything at all.

I don't know that there are any episodes to air. Like Jamesvader1194 posted above, nobody mentioned any sightings of them filming, and we usually hear about sightings. Kate said she hoped there would be a new season this fall, but she may have been hoping that TLC would film over the summer. If they did, nobody saw it.

I think TLC is not finished with this family, but I really hope the kids will get a long break from filming so they can relax and enjoy some privacy. I understand that they won't be kids for much longer, and Kate will be desperate to film them as much as possible while she can still force them to work (and can still take their money), but it would be awful if they grew up without ever being able to just be normal kids/teens. It's not like they can ever recoup all that they lost to their mother's greed. Once they are adults, it's too late to go back and have a childhood. That opportunity will be lost to them forever.

Sad but true said...

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 16

So, what happens in this case? Does the DJ have to re-file in Arkansas? Or in DC, since that was apparently the location from which Joshie Smuggar was indulging in his online action? Or in PA, which is where at least one of the strip clubs Josh visited is located? What exactly is the plaintiff's recourse? With the Internet having no fixed domicile, how does this guy get justice?

GollyGee said...

Great recap, Admin.

Bet Jim Bob thought at first Josh was vindicated, but nope! Until he heard the word Wrong jurisdiction!

I hope the DJ refiles as soon as possible!

Blowing In The Wind said...

From In Touch...

"Fans Think Jinger Duggar Might Be Pregnant for the Weirdest Reason"

What weird reason is there for getting pregnant?

"Some fans became convinced that Jinger is pregnant on Nov. 3 after husband Jeremy Vuolo shared a video with her seeming distant and less bubbly than her usual self."

Would that make her one day pregnant?

Who writes this stuff? Haven't they ever heard of modifiers and sentence structure?

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Admin, thanks so much for this recap. I don't have much energy to snark, because my heart really feels heavy thinking about "former cast member" C. That poor sweet boy had no clue how his life would turn upside down.

Oh, so the ol' poker-dabber TFW said she couldn't make Jon want to stay?
I bet Jon felt the same way about her when she was galavanting around the country chasing fame, while he was doing the dirty work of caring for their 8 very young children.
What a pathetic phony she is.

Sad but true said...

Oh brother. They're halfway to 14, not 9, FFS. She's unbelievable.

kateplusmy8 Operation! I love old games that have made a comeback! I found the wooden version at Target! #FamilyFun

brandysteen9@kateplusmy8 I love that game, but it gives me so much anxiety!

kateplusmy8@brandysteen9 SAME here! Omg I nearly screamed when i made it buzz and had to look away when it was the girls turn! 😖


victoriacadillac They have a whole bunch of different wooden ones there at Target @kateplusmy8. I want the Clue one.

beautyisthatbeautydoes We must play this AND Old Maid!!!!

beautyisthatbeautydoes@kateplusmy8 It's one of my favorite games from childhood! I can't wait to play again!!!!

kateplusmy8@beautyisthatbeautydoes you'd be SO good at this game with your steady makeup hands! Omg we wouldn't stand a chance! :)

beautyisthatbeautydoes@kateplusmy8 It's one of my favorite games from childhood! I can't wait to play again!!!!

So the "beauty. . ." IG is none other than that old standby Deanna. Another guest appearance coming up?

Tizzie said...

Sad but true said... 24

kateplusmy8@brandysteen9 SAME here! Omg I nearly screamed when i made it buzz and had to look away when it was the girls turn! 😖
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Kate can't even play a BOARD GAME without almost screaming... WTF???

And why aren't her 13.5 year olds playing board games with each other or their friends, WITHOUT their mother? Are they still not allowed to access the game cupboard without her permission and supervision?

FlimsyFlamsy said...

I love that Jamie and Ashley busted TFW on being obsessed with her looks and her weight. Such a wonderful role model for her kids. And, come on, what actual single mother raising 8 kids (well, 7 now) alone would have the time and money TFW devotes to her appearance?

Formerly Duped said...

Shouldn't 'nurse' Kate have steady hands and good nerve control? I wouldn't want her touching MY dialysis tubing or any other part of me if I were her patient. Maybe it's just as well she never went back to being a RN. She screwed up the demonstration of dialysis tube changing she gave when the kids baked special food for the dialysis unit.

Tucker's Mom said...

beautyisthatbeautydoes@kateplusmy8 It's one of my favorite games from childhood! I can't wait to play again!!!!

kateplusmy8@beautyisthatbeautydoes you'd be SO good at this game with your steady makeup hands! Omg we wouldn't stand a chance! :)

beautyisthatbeautydoes@kateplusmy8 It's one of my favorite games from childhood! I can't wait to play again!!!!

So the "beauty. . ." IG is none other than that old standby Deanna. Another guest appearance coming up?
^^^^^^^
So Deanna changed her Twitter handle?
Wow.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Tucker's Mom (#28), I think Deanna got a little drunk on the sweet celeb perks of free trips and being on Tee Vee. So she keeps TFW on her radar, hoping for some more of the good life if there's another round of episodes. I find it satisfying to see users get used by other users.

I played "Operation" last week for the first time in decades. With a FOUR-year-old.

Tucker's Mom said...

I played "Operation" last week for the first time in decades. With a FOUR-year-old.
^^^^^
I you scream?
I'm betting not!

Whenever Kate gets involved with ANY activity with the kids, it's all about Kate, all the time.
I can't imagine the boys want to play games with their sisters at this age. They should be far more independent and developing identities outside the pack.

Sad but true said...

Tucker's Mom said... 28

No, that's her IG account name. They don't have to be the same. A couple of K8's big fans appear to spend a lot of time on Deanna's IG, these "relationships" are so bizarre to me.

Sad but true said...

FlimsyFlamsy said... 29

I don't think K8 gets how embarrassing it is for her to be broadcasting that her kids are playing this game at their age. Since they didn't own the game before now (and why is that?), and probably never had the opportunity to play it at a friend's house at an appropriate age, I can see it being a novelty the first time or two. But once you factor in Mommy's screaming and the inevitable arguments, I can't imagine there'll be a lot of takers next week and beyond.

Sandylove said...

Wasn't this (final) episode where she said "It's the end of an era."? As if it had been on for years and years....and years... instead of only five.

ncgirl said...

If I had to play Operation with Kate, I'd add an anesthesia option for her.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Is there a typo in Deanna IG name? Because the expression is "beauty is AS beauty does," not THAT beauty does.

Sad but true said...

FlimsyFlamsy said... 35

I think she's trying to make a play on words, that those who "do" beauty (make-up, presumably) create beauty. Lame but characteristic, IMO, she wants people to think she's deep (all K+8 appearances to the contrary). Her IG account is very new, first posts (including K8's white People cover) just a month ago.

Kelsey O. said...

(NCgirl) An anesthesia option for her! Good one! Lmao!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


So, what happens in this case? Does the DJ have to re-file in Arkansas? Or in DC, since that was apparently the location from which Joshie Smuggar was indulging in his online action? Or in PA, which is where at least one of the strip clubs Josh visited is located? What exactly is the plaintiff's recourse? With the Internet having no fixed domicile, how does this guy get justice?


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It's a matter of subject matter jurisdiction, which is usually either the place where the events in dispute took place or the place where one or both parties reside. All of the above places might qualify, it's up to the judge if someone brings a motion disputing jurisdiction.

Man, he's got some determined lawyers. I think most would have just advised him to pay this off and try to move on.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Oh, so the ol' poker-dabber TFW said she couldn't make Jon want to stay?
I bet Jon felt the same way about her when she was galavanting around the country chasing fame, while he was doing the dirty work of caring for their 8 very young children.
What a pathetic phony she is.

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I bet Jon would say he couldn't make Kate want the simple life they had before they invited in TLC.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I remember that. In her mind, it justified her need for Skeeve. Funny how she was concerned for the kids, but he was her bodyguard.

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Wouldn't it make a heck of a lot more sense, and be much cheaper, to just have the venue make sure that people in their venue being inappropriate with the children are escorted out? I mean this story makes no sense.

Blowing In The Wind said...

No, that's her IG account name. They don't have to be the same. A couple of K8's big fans appear to spend a lot of time on Deanna's IG, these "relationships" are so bizarre to me.

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I bet that Deanna doesn't give a flying hoot about any of these strangers, only the sheeple are just too dumb to realize it. In their little fantasy world, I guess it makes them feel important to be able to claim that they converse and are friends with "celebrities." In a way, you have to feel sorry for them.

JR said...

I wanted to get that game for my 9 year old twins and they didn’t want because it was a “baby game “.....is she off her rocker?! I bet they play it for 5 minutes and will never touch it again...please tell me she’s not serious...is this all she’s got for those dopey fans...a board game?!?! Yawn

AuntieAnn said...

Scrabble might be more of a family game if they have to be holed up on Friday nights in mommy's room playing games.

What the point value of "um"? 4? 5?

ncgirl said...

Jon's back in the news again. It sounds like the custody hearing is near.

http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/kate-jon-gosselin-custody-146065

Tizzie said...

AuntieAnn said... 43
Scrabble might be more of a family game if they have to be holed up on Friday nights in mommy's room playing games.
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I don't understand why they have to spend their Friday (or Saturday, Sunday, or vacation) nights in HER room doing what SHE wants instead of doing what THEY want to do.

Kylie said...

I just read on Yahoo that the trial is close. The comments are scathing toward Kate.

Tucker's Mom said...

"“Jon’s one and only goal in life right now is getting more time with his kids,” a friend of Jon’s EXCLUSIVELY tells HollywoodLife.com. “He’s doing everything he can to win their next custody battle. He’s totally overhauled his life, he’s even back working a regular job again.”

Yes, the former Jon & Kate Plus star is working a 9-to-5. The reality TV star is now an I.T. administrator, his friend tells HollywoodLife.com. “It’s a good stable job with decent pay.” This decision to go white collar doesn’t mean Jon is giving up on his DJ career, as the friend says he still “takes gigs whenever he can, but he’s got a regular job now too because he knows that’s what he has to do to get his kids back. He’s really hopeful that this will help him get more time with his kids.”


http://hollywoodlife.com/2017/11/05/jon-gosselin-new-job-life-changes-kate-custody-battle/

I have noticed on Jon's social media that his DJ gigs have been far fewer as of late.
Kudos to him for doing what Kate will never do, and that's take a steady job with benefits that pays the bills.
That is so much bigger than sitting around plotting your next reality tv appearance or using your kids for money.

RoxyHelen said...

I don't want to get my hopes up but dammit it woyld be so nice if things went well for these poor kids, just once. If they want to live with their father and he can support them emotionally and financially, then let them. If they want to live with mom but want to visit dad on the regular, also fine. I hope whatever these kids want and need is respected by the court. They are old enough for their voices to be heard. And for the love of God, I hope Collin is ok.

RoxyHelen said...

http://thestir.cafemom.com/celebrity_moms/208482/jon_gosselin_upset_over_missing_collin

Not sure what to make of this article. Thoughts?

Layla said...

If the trial is close, then that explains the board game IG post. She's trying to portray herself as just a normal mom, spending quality time with her kids, playing a board game. Too bad it's just a set-up and she doesn't normally do such things with them. All the world is a stage to Kate, and everything she does, or photographs, or posts, is to set the stage for her audience.

AuntieAnn said...

Tizzie, I don't get it either. Kate just had to have a 7000 sq ft film studio with I don't know how many bedrooms and family rooms and now they're all crowded into her bedroom - the one room they were never supposed to be allowed to enter. Maybe she wants to keep an eye on them so they don't sneak out? Teens are known to do that. She probably did it herself when she lived with her parents. It might be coming back to haunt her now. ha!

RoxyHelen said...

http://hollywoodlife.com/2017/11/04/kate-gosselin-furious-jon-halloween-pic-son-collin-missing/

“Kate was furious over the criticism she received for not taking Collin trick or treating, as she was totally acting in his best interests.” Collin is enrolled in a school for special needs children, due to behavioral issues, and the insider says that pulling him out of it for a single night would do more harm than good.

“Collin has been thriving since he enrolled in his new school,” the source says, “and she can’t just take him out of his program as and when she feels like it. Collin needs a really strict routine, with no sudden changes, and he gets very anxious and distressed by too much sensory overload—so to even consider taking him somewhere he would be surrounded by crowds of kids is out of the question.”

However, Kate did feel bad that Collin wasn’t there, but in the long run, it was better that he wasn’t. “Of course she would have loved to have had Collin there with the rest of his siblings,” the insider says, “but it would have been too overwhelming for him.”

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Is this confirmation that Jon was telling the truth and Collin has never left the place he's in? Also the child they're painting is different from the one we saw on TV for years (before they started medicating him and keeping him from various filmed activities). What causes a child to deteriorate so suddenly and so severely? This is all so frightening to consider.

Layla said...

It's good to hear that Jon has a regular job now. It's stability for him and for the kids, with steady pay and benefits. He can be choosy about his DJ gigs, giving him more time at home at night to be with the kids. He is in a stable, long-term relationship and has stable employment, and he does not depend on the kids to provide him an income. If he doesn't get more time with the kids, then there is something seriously disturbing going on with this judge.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I really can’t picture Jon curling up in a ball sobbing feeling sorry for himself. That’s not how we’ve ever seen him react to frustrating information.

Sheepless In Seattle said...

Is this confirmation that Jon was telling the truth and Collin has never left the place he's in? Also the child they're painting is different from the one we saw on TV for years (before they started medicating him and keeping him from various filmed activities). What causes a child to deteriorate so suddenly and so severely? This is all so frightening to consider.


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It might not have been suddenly. Remember that he was removed from Kindergarten allegedly because of behavior issues.

Anonymous said...

The Daily Mail is reporting that the LAPD confirm they are investigating a Hollywood pedophile ring after Corey Feldman filed a formal report identifying the men he claims sexually abused him as a child.

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Layla said...

So, Collin gets anxious and distressed by too much sensory overload, and filming caused him too much stimulation. That means Kate forced hi to film, knowing that it caused him severe emotional distress. And she did it for years and years. He didn't just wake up one morning with problems coping. This was always there, but instead of protecting him, she forced him into situations that she knew were harmful for him. Why would a mother do something like that to her own child? Because she wanted to make money off of him, that's wh. Money and fame were the reasons she had sextuplets in the first place, and when his issues got in the way of her demands on him, she was done with him. When she had to choose between filming and Collin, she chose filming.

Anonymous said...

Transgender woman elected to Virginia state legislature. What will the Duggars have to say about that.

bm

AuntieAnn said...

“Kate was furious over the criticism she received for not taking Collin trick or treating, as she was totally acting in his best interests.”

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This is sad. How long did Collin have to cope with his anxiety under the fictitious environs of this family until something finally triggered someone's attention enough to see how detrimental it was to his health?

Kate can pretend to be "furious" all she wants but what she's really doing is shifting the blame. Nothing will ever jolt her into the realization that her insatiable appetite for fame and earthly riches were more important than her child's wellness. She will forever refuse to take responsibility.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

I call BS that the source is referring to C's facility as a "school." Schools have breaks. Schools have vacations. Schools have visitors. If C has ever been back home, or had gotten to see his family at all, I can't imagine TFW wouldn't have mentioned it. If only to make herself look like less of a monster. No picture necessary, just a mention. And don't tell me a gag order would stop her -- she's not a rule follower.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

bm (#58), I also wonder how the Duggars will react to the same-sex couple featured on new holiday Starbucks commercial. Let's see if they're willing to give up their favorite indulgence. They're bound to get some grief on social media about their hypocrisy if they don't.

RoxyHelen said...

Layla said... 57

So, Collin gets anxious and distressed by too much sensory overload, and filming caused him too much stimulation. That means Kate forced hi to film, knowing that it caused him severe emotional distress. And she did it for years and years. He didn't just wake up one morning with problems coping. This was always there, but instead of protecting him, she forced him into situations that she knew were harmful for him. Why would a mother do something like that to her own child? Because she wanted to make money off of him, that's wh. Money and fame were the reasons she had sextuplets in the first place, and when his issues got in the way of her demands on him, she was done with him. When she had to choose between filming and Collin, she chose filming.
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She medicated the hell out of him. Remember the last couple of years when he was clearly overmedicated? I now can't stop thinking that she overmedicated him so he could sit there for filming. It didn't matter that he was basically a zombie at times, she didn't need him to enjoy the filming, she just needed him to be present and not cause "trouble".

Tucker's Mom said...

This Halloween kerfuffle makes it sound like Collin is nearby and Kate can bring him home, or allow him home for visits.
I'm under the impression that Collin has never come home and never visits.
If Collin was not brought along with his siblings because he's better off staying at home, then why not just say so?

This makes no sense.

Kate put Collin into high stress situation all the time! The child freaked out and covered his face and suddenly now she's concerned about stimulation?

Again...what school would not have kids go home for visits, or even go out in public?

There's no field trips? Never go out to a McDonalds? A mall?

If true that Collin couldn't handle Halloween trick or treating in the milquetoast suburbs, then he's deteriorating, not improving.

Tucker's Mom said...

She medicated the hell out of him. Remember the last couple of years when he was clearly overmedicated? I now can't stop thinking that she overmedicated him so he could sit there for filming. It didn't matter that he was basically a zombie at times, she didn't need him to enjoy the filming, she just needed him to be present and not cause "trouble".
^^^^^
Collin was clearly medicated or even over medicated.
The real shame is that if "chaos" weren't Kate's brand, and a result of her poor parenting, Collin might have been successfully treated at home.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

RoxyHelen (#62), it's chilling when you put it that way. A competent set teacher or guardian would never have let TFW get away with that abuse.
Even if there were no meds involved, TFW was placing the child directly in harm's way by exposing him to the stress and over-stimulation of being on camera. Along with the additional factor of filming him for posterity in that vulnerable state.

There are better protections in place for animals on a production set than for the G children. And I am sure that most 4-legged creatures have a stronger maternal instinct than C's mother has for him.

Tucker's Mom said...

I have hard time believing that Collin is suddenly Charlie Babbitt.

Maybe this is just posturing before the custody hearing.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Remember the last couple of years when he was clearly overmedicated? I


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I don't remember when he stopped doing couch interviews for good, but it was a very, very long time ago. That means that Kate KNEW that at least some aspects of filming were not good for him a long, long time ago. She KNEW, but kept filming.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I bet that waste of space is calling this institution "school" to the kids, friends and family to make it seem not as bad as it really is. Her kids are going to catch on big time eventually, and God help her then.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

beautyisthatbeautydoes@

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What a dork of a twitter handle.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Despite her protestations about "piecin' and patchin" and kids wailing x 8, she seems upbeat, cocky even.

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Yes! COCKY. She thought she was about to take on the world. Next stop, The View chair.

It's pretty hilarious all these years later.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Kate calling Ashley over dramatic is just more evidence of her abusive nature.
Someone does something to hurt you or make you angry, and they give you the, "C'mon, stop being a baby" routine?

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Exactly. Classic manipulative turning it around on the victim. It's not that I hurt you. It's just that you're too sensitive.

Tucker's Mom said...

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 69
beautyisthatbeautydoes@

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What a dork of a twitter handle.
^^^^^^^^
Stupid is as stupid does...more like it.

lol

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

What a dork of a twitter handle.
^^^^^^^^
Stupid is as stupid does...more like it.

lol

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Ha and her play on words is not even correct. It should be beauty is as beauty does. Not THAT beauty does.

What a dumb-dumb.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Admin (#68), TFW tipped her hand when she compared C's departure to a kid going away to college. Then proceeded to go on with her life in the public eye as if the child never existed.

She's.Glad.He's.Gone.

Tucker's Mom said...

So, the reason that Collin wasn't in the Halloween photo was because it would be too simulating for him?
OK...
Why wasn't Collin in Kate's bedroom for "movie night", relaxing with is siblings and dogs?

Do Kate and her flying monkeys not think their lies through?

And c'mon. Collin isn't in "school".
I'm sure there's education involved but the notion that it has any semblance to some pastoral campus is far fetched.

I'd like to know what school locks kids down, never lets their father visit, and keeps them out of the public eye for years.

Still Anonymous said...

Tucker's Mom said... 63

Again...what school would not have kids go home for visits, or even go out in public?
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How do you know that they don't? Just because a picture hasn't surfaced of Collin out in public doesn't mean he hasn't been to McDonald's or the mall. The entire world is not as obsessed with the child's whereabouts as you are. 99.9% of the public would not recognize him.

Formerly Duped said...

I'm afraid I am not too optimistic about any upcoming custody battle. On paper Kate looks like a good parent, providing a solid education, nice house, medical, dental care for the kids, has a hefty bank account for their needs (ahem)...Jon could look less stable. If the judge always rules in kate's favor what chance does Jon have? Collin is wherever he is 'on doctor recommendation' as far as we know. Idk. You would think that with everything Kate has done to harm the children, Jon would have had custody or at least his visitation honored. I hope I am wrong ! will the children be allowed to speak and will the twins stand up for Kate and a few others under penalty of severeness?

Layla said...

This "source" is just parroting what Kate has told him/her (Okay, "her" since it's obviously Jamie). C has been hidden, nobody knows where he is or has leaked information about him. So the only place the "source" could get this information is from Kate herself. So every word of that statement about C is coming directly from Kate.

It irritates me to see anyone claim that Kate is acting in C's best interests. If she cared at all, she would have sought help for him years ago. She would have removed him from the stress of filming. She didn't. She was so blinded by her lust for fame and money that she couldn't force herself to care about C's well-being.

Looking back at pictures of the kids and old clips from the show, it's clear that C has been struggling for years. All the pictures of him looking sad or just blank, standing apart from the other kids. Clips and recaps where he sits, silent and expressionless, with his brothers for couch interviews or is kept at Kate's side at all times. That young fangirl (Emily?) tweeted 5-6 years ago about giving the kids their behavioral meds. Kids. Plural. So C isn't the only one with issues.

Collin's current condition is Kate's fault. Kate neglected to get him the help he needed over the years. Kate failed to protect him from the harmful stress of filming. And Kate forced the stress of providing for the family on all the kids, including C. Remember when the show was cancelled in 2011, she said the kids asked if they could stay in their house and their school. They knew, even then, that they had to film in order to keep those things.

Layla said...

One of my nephews was recently diagnosed with a sensory processing disorder (he is very sensitive to touch and to external stimuli), and I'm wondering if that is what C has. This nephew is on the autism spectrum, and this sort of thing is common among children on the autism spectrum. It is also common with ADD. This nephew becomes very irritated by touch (he can only wear certain types of fabric, and of certain thickness). Too much noise or chaos, and deviations from his set schedule cause him great stress. His parents are divorced, so it's stressful for him to adapt to shuttling between his parents' homes. My nephew is involved in daily therapy and has an aide at school to help him cope. He is 7. Why wasn't C provided with that kind of help at a younger age? Maybe if Kate had sought help for C instead of blathering on talk shows about how great the kids were doing, his condition could have been helped. Instead of lying about his past struggles (like being expelled from kindergarten), she could have sought treatment. We have seen the pictures of him covering his eyes as his mother paraded him in front of paps. We saw the video of her smacking him in the face as she stood at the refrigerator. We saw the picture of her smacking him in the mouth during a bus run. Instead of trying to help him, she bullied him and ignored his struggles. She is evil.

Susan1956 said...

Kylie said... 46
I just read on Yahoo that the trial is close. The comments are scathing toward Kate.
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Do you have a link? I can't find the article you mention to save my life.

JoyinVirginia said...

Thanks for the recap admin. Still cannot comprehend why so many were fascinated by Ms.Kreider and company for so long.
Things more interesting than the former Mrs Jon gosselin:
spending time with actual cute kids that are relatives and neighbors.
this fall's seasons of Dancing With The Stars, Survivor, Project Runway, Big Bang Theory, Lucifer, to name a few.
Listening to Jennifer Lawrence interview her celebrity obsession Kim Kardashian, Jennifer is a truly obsessed fan!
Virginia election is over, that means all the political ads are over, thank goodness! Very, very happy I don't have to see any more political ads that imply one candidate eats puppies for breakfast and the opposing candidate eats kittens! They were all reasonable and responsible people when you get right down to facts.
Delegate Bob Marshall over 26 years had called for college health centers to be banned from providing birth control, and had called himself Virginia's "chief homophobe". He made his re-election campaign about attacking his opponents transgender status. And he refused to debate her in person, and local voters didn't like that. Danica Roem grew up in the county of Prince William, she worked for a local paper for years, and is focused on local issues like highways. Her campaign signs said "Danica Roem: Fix Route 28 Now!" Her message was that Marshall was so focused on the social issues that he neglected concerns of his local constituents. Lots of voters agreed.

Tizzie said...

RoxyHelen said... 52
“Kate was furious over the criticism she received for not taking Collin trick or treating, as she was totally acting in his best interests.”
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What a load of BS. Acting in Collin's best interests would have been PULLING THE PLUG ON FILMING years ago. She wasn't acting in his best interests then (or those of the other 7 either), so why should we believe that she is now?

Tucker's Mom said...

Virginia election is over, that means all the political ads are over, thank goodness! Very, very happy I don't have to see any more political ads that imply one candidate eats puppies for breakfast and the opposing candidate eats kittens! They were all reasonable and responsible people when you get right down to facts.
Delegate Bob Marshall over 26 years had called for college health centers to be banned from providing birth control, and had called himself Virginia's "chief homophobe". He made his re-election campaign about attacking his opponents transgender status. And he refused to debate her in person, and local voters didn't like that. Danica Roem grew up in the county of Prince William, she worked for a local paper for years, and is focused on local issues like highways. Her campaign signs said "Danica Roem: Fix Route 28 Now!" Her message was that Marshall was so focused on the social issues that he neglected concerns of his local constituents. Lots of voters agreed.
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YES!! To all of this, Joy.
Danica wasn't on my ballot, but if she was, I'd have voted for her.
Northam will be a good Gov. of VA. Neither candidate was extreme, but the political ads got positively nasty towards the end.
Glad we can move on.

Tucker's Mom said...

Collin's current condition is Kate's fault. Kate neglected to get him the help he needed over the years. Kate failed to protect him from the harmful stress of filming. And Kate forced the stress of providing for the family on all the kids, including C. Remember when the show was cancelled in 2011, she said the kids asked if they could stay in their house and their school. They knew, even then, that they had to film in order to keep those things.
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Another thing that occurs to me is that Collin started having problems years ago, and the stress of the divorce (and pre-divorce havoc between Jon and Kate) must have been horrible for him.
Right after, Kate's fame reached its zenith. She was in demand and traveling all the time, and when she did, she had a revolving door of nannies who were not trained or even mature enough to deal with 8 kids, let alone 2 with problems on several levels.
Those nannies were there to do the most basic of care; feed, watch, put to bed, get them to school, laundry.
None of the kids got the emotional support they needed because at the time, both parents were acting like selfish d-bags, flouncing around the country.
Family and friends were kicked to the curb.
The kids were left with strangers.
In Robert's book, he watched as Kate would be gone for days, only to return very briefly to reload for the next trip.
I think a lot of precious time was lost that could have been spent diagnosing Collin and getting him intensive therapy, directly involving both Jon and Kate.
I think Kate chose to medicate Collin for as long as she possibly could.

Blowing In The Wind said...

C has been hidden, nobody knows where he is or has leaked information about him.

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I'm not sure what you mean by "nobody." The public? I would believe that there are those who know exactly where he is; the type of facility in which he has been placed, but in his best interests, this has not been made public to the masses, especially to the tabloids who most likely would love to get their hands on this for a story.

Moreover, for what it's worth, I don't think the public has the right to know this.

OT...sounds like Spacey is in a heap of trouble, after one of the victim's mother, a former TV news anchor, made a statement today concerning abuse that happened to her son in 2016.

Spacey is done. Over. Finished. Kaput.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Tucker's Mom (#84), TFW was more concerned with getting nannies who would spy on the kids and report back to her about any interactions with Jon than she was about having someone qualified to help C with his issues.

Amongst the endless lists of instructions about kitchen cleanliness and laundry care, I wonder if there was ever one that mentioned C's struggles, and what could be done to make his life easier and happier when his mommy was away?

Lorrie said...

This story is all over the internet. Charlie Sheen is being accused of molesting Corey Haim on the set of Lucas when Corey was just 13 years old. Obviously, Charlie is denying this - but IIRC, he also denied infecting victims with HIV before coming clean about that. He is a sick, twisted person and is evil personified, IMO.

ncgirl said...

"Do you have a link? I can't find the article you mention to save my life."

I couldn't find the original link, but this article goes over what has been happening.

http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/kate-jon-gosselin-custody-146065

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Charlie Sheen has his own kids detained by foster care court which the media reported, so that’s not confidential. He has already been found to be unsafe around his children by a court of law.

There was something about this that made me think Corey had a big, big name. Or names.

Name names. Let’s go here.

Tizzie said...

FlimsyFlamsy said... 86

Amongst the endless lists of instructions about kitchen cleanliness and laundry care, I wonder if there was ever one that mentioned C's struggles, and what could be done to make his life easier and happier when his mommy was away?
November 8, 2017 at 4:18 PM

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Instead of making C's life easier and happier, the nanny had to keep a log of every time the kids misbehaved so that Kate could discipline them as soon as she arrived home. I'm sure C featured heavily on that list and therefore Kate would have punished the sh**t out of him when she got home, by which time C would have forgotten about whatever he had done wrong. I wouldn't be surprised if over time C started to DREAD Kate's return from trips, knowing what was in store for him when she got home.

GollyGee said...

If only more people would do this, the world be a much better place.

Tanya Memme started sponsoring a little boy who has a rare skin condition 4 years ago. When she comes to near where he lives, she visits him, gives the family money, medicines, whatever they need and he needs so he can grow up and it was an exciting day because Jordy graduated
Grade 1! The smile on his face was precious!

She started a GoFundme to raise money to put in a well and with her and her dad are helping build a school for kids that have never even seen a book before!

A stranger would do more for Collin than his own mother would.

https://www.facebook.com/tanyamemme/videos/1596651477039850/

GollyGee said...

TFW just cannot hide her son away without CPS, drs. involved. This condition that Collin is in is ALL HER FAULT! She knew that stimulation would be bad for him but she started medicating him, got strangers to do it and then we could tell that she was over medicating him.

Then she gets furious that people are upset because she didn't take a picture of Collin on Halloween. She is only doing this because the hearing is coming up. She is trying to look like the good ol mom, taking her kids out trick or treating, while Collin is chugging along at school.

I hope Collin's caretaker is a loving, kind soul who helps him overcome what his evil mother did to him for years. She sold his soul to herself and TLC for money and fame just because she didn't want to lose the little bit of money she would of been paid for his participation.

After the hearing and major things come out, and they will, there is no way TLC will ever film them again. I think it will be epic.

Sheepless In Seattle said...


After the hearing and major things come out, and they will, there is no way TLC will ever film them again. I think it will be epic.

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I wouldn't bet on it. If they want to film, they will.

GollyGee said...

Tanya Memme
Tanya Memme Thank you Charles!! I️ will never forget those who have donated! It means the world to these people and I’m showing you EXACTLY where your money is going:)

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I trust Tanya Meeme much, much, much more than TFW.

Yard Sale Raising Money for the Animal Shelter?

Gosh, I would LOVE to find out how much she gave! I bet she made the Animal Shelter sign a NDA!

Unknown said...

GollyGee said... 92

TFW just cannot hide her son away without CPS, drs. involved.
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I respectfully disagree. Angelina Jolie couldn't hide her son without lots of help, Kate is no A list celebrity, paps aren't watching her 24/7 and it's not like every person in the world (let alone US) recognizes Collin, especially now that he is older. She isn't actually swarmed by paps, that fame/frenzy died a long time ago.

Winsomeone said...

Jon has visitation rights to all of the kids. This is why I don't understand how Kate can just whisk Collin away and not let Jon know where the child is at. Doesn't make sense at all.

Formerly Duped said...

GollyGee said... 92
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Hope you're right/just seems Kate always win, Jon and and the kids never do.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Thanks for the recap, Admin. I don't even remember most of this ! Was this when Mady said she sits in bed all day or just that they would stare at the walls without a camera?

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I think she just said she would have to stay at home and stare at the walls without filming. My goodness, when Kate coaches them, could she make it a little less obvious?

The stay in her room comment came later but I think I remember her just saying in general she just stays in her room, filming or not.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


TFW just cannot hide her son away without CPS, drs. involved.
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I respectfully disagree. Angelina Jolie couldn't hide her son without lots of help, Kate is no A list celebrity, paps aren't watching her 24/7 and it's not like every person in the world (let alone US) recognizes Collin, especially now that he is older. She isn't actually swarmed by paps, that fame/frenzy died a long time ago.

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In this day in age because everyone around kids are mandatory reporters now, I actually agree with Golly it would be hard for Kate to hide him away, take him off grid so to speak. I don't think ANY celeb can escape CPS. Indeed they don't, we routinely see celebs in our court. Big ones you would be shocked about. Sometimes TMZ catches on, often they don't. If those walls could talk.

I don't think people serious consider that Jon just plays dumb in the press about his knowledge about this in order to deflect more questions, but that seems more and more to me the most obvious explanation, given that all the rules and regulations in every state firmly protect his right to see and be involved with his ailing child, even if Kate has custody. If he is not exercising his rights to be involved in his son, that's really on him.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Holy crap, the latest Kevin Spacey assault was just a year ago. All The Money in the World is set to premiere in two weeks and they're removing him from the entire movie and reshooting his scenes with Christopher Plummer. Netflix is totally done with him. He's toast.

Is this about the time that Corey says I TOLD you so, idiots?

Why would any sane person expose their children to this industry? Wake up, Kate.

I'm wondering if the Blankinship story might get a second wind now, just to say hey remember this story, remember this predator too? Worth a shot.

NJGal51 said...

I'm wondering if the Blankinship story might get a second wind now, just to say hey remember this story, remember this predator too? Worth a shot.
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If it gets a second wind TFW will be able to go on a press tour and dab and poke at her eyes saying "I didn't know" and play the ultimate victim.

AuntieAnn said...

Why would any sane person expose their children to this industry? Wake up, Kate.

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Sane, responsible parents don't. Money-grubbing, fame-seeking narcissists are a different, shall we say, "brand"?

Tucker's Mom said...

Re: Kevin Spacey. I thought it was remarkable how quickly Netflix formally ended House of Cards with Kevin Spacey. It was maybe 24 hours later.
I thought to myself, "They MUST know more, because, not ONE word of support for their big star?"
Spacey got coyote uglied by Netflix!

It goes to the notion that these film companies know where the bodies are buried, and either look the other way, or hide bad, poor, unethical and illegal behavior.

And now we see. Spacey isn't just a perv, he's a predator. We now know people on the set of HoC were sexually harassed and bothered by him.

The sad thing is, Netflix and the Hollywood machine would have sat on this forever if the dam had not been burst by intrepid reporters and victims.

Discovery, TLC, Figure 8 and the crew of J+K+8 and K+8 are no different.

I think one day, we'll all be reading about reality tv kids emerging from the woodwork, telling their stories, in addition to a handful of the Gosselin kids pulling back those big, thick curtains that Kate still has her hands clenched on.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Apparently the national inquirier is doing a sweeping investigation on sexual abuse in Hollywood and has dozens of people lined up saying Cory hain was abused. Feldman is finally getting his day.

Layla said...

One of y sons did some acting when he was younger, and I found the overall experience to be very alarming. Parents were expected to turn over their kids and then disappear. That wasn't going to happen with me. I didn't care if I was in the way or if it bothered anyone to have me lurking in the shadows. I was going to be aware of everything that was happening with my child. Now I am doubly glad I did. That business is also very hard on kids' self-esteem. I saw kids who were selected appearances show up for filming and then be told to leave because they weren't attractive enough.

I was so happy when my son decided that acting wasn't what he wanted to do. He is now a happy, well-adjusted pre-med major in college, and I feel some sense of satisfaction that he got through the acting phase without any permanent scars. I couldn't live with myself if I had turned my son over to the wolves and disappeared, and something awful happened to him.

How many times did Kate disappear and leave her kids alone with the "crew daddies"? Too many to count. It was poor Collin who was shut in a dark room, alone with a cameraman, with his pants down. When she (and her fans) say, "You would do the same", I hope they remember that incident and realize that no, we would never do that to our child. Never.

Anonymous said...

Ronan Farrow has said (about Weinstein) "It is not over". I truly hopes he receives an award for getting the ball rolling on all these evil people.

bm

Tucker's Mom said...


How many times did Kate disappear and leave her kids alone with the "crew daddies"? Too many to count. It was poor Collin who was shut in a dark room, alone with a cameraman, with his pants down. When she (and her fans) say, "You would do the same", I hope they remember that incident and realize that no, we would never do that to our child. Never.
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Layla, I'm glad you share your experience with us and really appreciate it.
Think about Kate leaving her kids with Deanna and a crew of strangers when she went 3000 miles away to film Celeb Wife Swap.
That's an entirely different crew-strangers-in her house all week.
I remember watching the kids get introduced to their "Mommy" for the week-Kendra-and Collin in particular looked very subdued and unsure.
Personally, I consider that abuse and that goes for every stupid parent who puts their children through filming "Wife Swap".

The entire point of the show is antagonism and conflict, tied up with a sappy bow at the end.

How can anyone think putting their kids through that is worth it?

In fact, Kendra even said the kids were standoffish when she met them and "I don't think having a stranger in their house is comforting to them".

Blowing In The Wind said...

Re: Kevin Spacey. I thought it was remarkable how quickly Netflix formally ended House of Cards with Kevin Spacey. It was maybe 24 hours later.
I thought to myself, "They MUST know more, because, not ONE word of support for their big star?"
Spacey got coyote uglied by Netflix!

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I just caught the tail end of a news story that reported that he is being edited out of a movie he's appearing in. I don't know what movie, or if it's actually happening, but hopefully he is finished in Hollywood and will be avoided like the plague.

Tucker's Mom said...

I just caught the tail end of a news story that reported that he is being edited out of a movie he's appearing in. I don't know what movie, or if it's actually happening, but hopefully he is finished in Hollywood and will be avoided like the plague.
^^^^
I think they're reshooting Spacey's scenes with Christopher Plummer, iirc.
Spacey is toast. You can be a perv and a slime ball and a cheat, but a pedo?
Nope.
No Malibu "rehab" is going to fix that.

Funny that Jesus Camp apparently fixes it if your name is Duggar.

AuntieAnn said...

Tucker's Mom said...

The sad thing is, Netflix and the Hollywood machine would have sat on this forever if the dam had not been burst by intrepid reporters and victims.

Discovery, TLC, Figure 8 and the crew of J+K+8 are no different.

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Assuming Kate was telling the truth and she really hadn't ever heard of Blankinship, begs the question - what else hasn't she been aware of in the years since she put her kids on display? Just by saying that much, she showed how little she cared about their safety and well-being while she was living the high life in the spotlight. Sad indeed.


just watching said...

I was so happy when my son decided that acting wasn't what he wanted to do.
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You're still the parent, Layla. You call the shots. Not the child.
Sorry, makes me crazy that parents even entertain the NOTION of a child wanting to be a 'star'. Kids make a lot of terrible, life-changing, completely unnecessary decisions. Just because a child wants to grow up to be a 'rock star' doesn't mean it's required. Kids make bad decisions - we, as parents, are to guide them.
Preferably AWAY from dangerous situations.
Apologies. Rant over.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

There’s somwthing really sick about Hollywood bestowing their highest awards in Spotlight a couple years ago. It was a great film but all the while some of the biggest people in Hollywood were or were protecting predators of women and children.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

It’s almost a bigger problem that Kate might not have known of Blankenship or much of anything about who might have access to her kids’ Film post production, than if she did.

AuntieAnn said...

It was a great film but all the while some of the biggest people in Hollywood were or were protecting predators of women and children.

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Even giving them standing ovations.

AuntieAnn said...

Yes, her ignorance of it gives her away. Had she said OMG, my chidren's images have bee exposed to this man...but no, she "never heard of him". That says it all.

And it's not like she wasn't aware of the dangers, she just wasn't concerned.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

She thought playing dumb would be a smart play. In the process she made herself look like the least protective mother of her children.

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

Assuming Kate was telling the truth and she really hadn't ever heard of Blankinship, begs the question - what else hasn't she been aware of in the years since she put her kids on display? Just by saying that much, she showed how little she cared about their safety and well-being while she was living the high life in the spotlight. Sad indeed.

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Yeah, but she put tape over the names on their backpacks so people wouldn't know who they were.

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

Funny that Jesus Camp apparently fixes it if your name is Duggar.

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Perhaps he'd get a recommendation discount if he went to the same rehab facility as Joshie, the one where he had to remodel a house.

AuntieAnn said...

Yeah, but she put tape over the names on their backpacks so people wouldn't know who they were.

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Yes. That was genius. Absolutely genius.


NJGal51 said...

And in other news, Milo has not been heard from since 27 Seprember. The Halloween picture didn’t even draw her out.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I was really looking forward to All the Money in the World because it's about the Getty kidnapping which I find interesting. It would be quite the miracle if they can pull off all the reshoots they need in time for its premiere in December.


If they can get it all

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Ronan Farrow has said (about Weinstein) "It is not over". I truly hopes he receives an award for getting the ball rolling on all these evil people.

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I think at the very least he will be a finalist for a Pulitzer next year and I think he'll win one.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I think they're reshooting Spacey's scenes with Christopher Plummer, iirc.
Spacey is toast.

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I just watched the trailer again with a new set of eyes on Spacey's scenes, and it looks to me like he's in a lot. And they're complicated scenes, with elaborate sets on location, Europe it looks like, and many extras. They're going to spend millions reshooting this all. And this is assuming the other actors are even available for reshoots.

I wouldn't be shocked if this movie gets scrapped for now. This is too complicated. And since it was supposed to be a strong Oscar contender, you can bet that a whole mess of cast and production are furious.

I wonder if he has a morality clause and if this might be a lawsuit in and of itself. It's possible they could go after him to recoup costs.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I thought to myself, "They MUST know more, because, not ONE word of support for their big star?"


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Frankly, I don't think the know anything that we don't, but I think management is smart as a whip and also has a moral compass. They have handled their own few scandals over pricing and the like with fairness and dignity. They have treated subscribers with respect. It is a company that clearly makes "doing the right thing" a priority, believing not only is it just right, but that that builds a strong loyal following.

I really think they had a 20 minute meeting and realized very quickly that he was incompatible with the good reputation they have built. He was out that fast because he was just that incompatible. I think the decision was pretty easy in the end for them. None of the hand wringing TLC always seems to be doing over the likes of talent like Kate.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


One of y sons did some acting when he was younger, and I found the overall experience to be very alarming. Parents were expected to turn over their kids and then disappear.


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I know someone, a dad, whose teen is a hot commodity in community theater and he has been saying for months now that he is getting really, really concerned about how his son is always asks to audition behind closed doors, no parents allowed.

We were talking about how most scenarios where a kid is taken from their parents and goes into a closed room, the people in them have background checks and training to work with kids. It would be unusual for production to have this treatment even those who often work with kids. There is no such law.

All this happening is just making him more upset.

He's got one of those rare talented kids who would die if he couldn't perform, but this has caused some soul searching.

Sad but true said...

#NookiePookie in the car. My god this woman is dull.

kateplusmy8 Apparently, there's a door she HASNT figured out how to open....😂😂😂#Nanuq #KingShepherd #SableKingShepherd #CarDoggie #AMomsBestFriend

70lbjourneyvsgYou are one of only a few reality stars that don't sale products. I guess the kids and dog keep you busy🤗

Yes, her product offerings are few and far between, but I doubt it has anything to do with how busy she is, LOL. After all, she has #Teami to pep her up.

Layla said...

just watching (111)
Acting was not a big part of my son's life. It was a hobby. If your child said, "I want to play lacrosse". or "I want to take violin lessons", you'd allow that. wouldn't you? It's not like he was heavily involved. He was a child who was involved in a specific cause that was very important to him, and he appeared on a talk show to discuss both an honor he had received and the cause he was promoting. Someone spotted him and wanted to sign him. He did a few small parts, but nothing big. School and the cause he was promoting (which is something he still works with) were far more important. He was involved in acting just long enough to decide it wasn't something he wanted to do. He had some of the same concerns as his father and I did. So he didn't do it anymore.

You can rant all you want, but allowing your child to try something new isn't a bad thing, as long as the parent is involved and vigilant. He tried it. Red flags went up. My husband, my son, and I sat down to discuss it. He said it wasn't something he wanted to pursue. That was the end of it.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


You can rant all you want, but allowing your child to try something new isn't a bad thing, as long as the parent is involved and vigilant. He tried it. Red flags went up. My husband, my son, and I sat down to discuss it. He said it wasn't something he wanted to pursue. That was the end of it.


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I also think we understand this industry so much better now than we did even a few years ago. We realize that even with protections in place, there are still huge deficiencies and dangers. A parent who would be fine with their kid acting 10 years ago might feel very differently today.

It's like my friend whose son has loved acting since he was a little boy and acts in community theater. It was all innocent a few years ago. Now, he feels much differently in light of recent events.

All This Is That said...

70lbjourneyvsgYou are one of only a few reality stars that don't sale products. I guess the kids and dog keep you busy🤗

She tried that and nothing sold! Guess the sheeple won't acknowledge the ab thing, or the clothing line, or the failed cookbook, or hawking those boxes that are sent monthly in the mail, or the meal prep things, or the couponing!

I saw an ad on television for an underwire miracle bra. Kate really messed up big time in not marketing her invisible bra. I'm still laughing that the sheeple are that delusional, not to mention just plain stupid, that they can't take a look at the photos of her with the two fried eggs (before) and the bikini shots of her with her new inflatables yearning to be set free (after). She just got a good bra, and they believe that, and never question it.

All This Is That said...

Is Milo still missing?

Warmth Of The Sun said...

I wonder how many in Hollywood, politics, sports and so forth are having restless nights and holding their breath that they won't be the next to be named in these abuse/assault revelations.

Layla said...

All This Is That (129)
Don't forget Bella Bars, Teami, Coffee Mate, and Blue Apron (there's more, but I can't remember them all). Kate's failure at product promotion goes back many, many years. The problem is not that she's busy, it's that she's not popular enough to make any money off of product endorsements.

AuntieAnn said...

Layla said...

(there's more, but I can't remember them all)

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There was the AbChamp. lol

I wonder if she still uses it to keep her tummy all nice and trim or if she sold that at the garage sale, too.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


I wonder how many in Hollywood, politics, sports and so forth are having restless nights and holding their breath that they won't be the next to be named in these abuse/assault revelations.


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I read somewhere that's exactly what's happening. Calls to lawyers are flying, productions are freaked out that someone on their project will be the next to go, millions of dollars are on the line.

Hollywood hasn't been this on edge since the McCarthy era. Only that wasn't deserved.

Tucker's Mom said...

I wouldn't be shocked if this movie gets scrapped for now. This is too complicated. And since it was supposed to be a strong Oscar contender, you can bet that a whole mess of cast and production are furious.

I wonder if he has a morality clause and if this might be a lawsuit in and of itself. It's possible they could go after him to recoup costs.
^^^^^
I don't know how anyone can go into that movie and suspend disbelief and immerse themselves in the storyline.
I'd be looking everywhere for CGI.

Tucker's Mom said...

They have treated subscribers with respect. It is a company that clearly makes "doing the right thing" a priority, believing not only is it just right, but that that builds a strong loyal following.
^^^^
Netflix was on the forefront of breaking the rules about being EITHER a movie actor or a tv actor, which is SO cool.
What we've reaped in terms of quality programming and tour de force performances (Big Little Lies) has been tremendous.
IIRC, HoC lead the way in terms of movie actors in tv roles and the notion that you have the reins with regards to watching your tv shows.
It was the dawn of "binging".
I clearly remember Spacey himself doing some tv junket and saying that binging shows is the new reading a book.
Read until the end, or put it down for later.

ingrid said...

Here's another .... Louis CK comedian has admitted sex misconduct with women. (thankfully not kids) and Netflix is removing him. Link to story below

Louis CK

Midnight Madness said...

Yes, a thin, confused, frightened boy standing alone in a dark windowless room sees life a lot differently than does the angry, out-of-control mother who put him there bc he interfered with the filming.

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Alone in a dark, windowless room? When did this happen? I don't watch any of the episodes. I'm really out of the loop.

capecodmama said...

I just read online that the LAPD is no longer investigating Corey Feldman's abuse allegations because they are "out of statute". But they applaud him for coming forward.

Rainbowsandunicorns said...

Here's another .... Louis CK comedian has admitted sex misconduct with women. (thankfully not kids) and Netflix is removing him. Link to story below

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Yes, and this one apologized. The Hollywood shake-up right now is astounding. These victims are coming out of the woodwork, so to speak.

I wonder if the female victims have Lisa and Gloria on speed dial.

Rainbowsandunicorns said...

I don't know how anyone can go into that movie and suspend disbelief and immerse themselves in the storyline.

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I know, Tucker's. I liked Kevin as an actor and he is a decent singer as well. I'd never be able to watch any of his work again without thinking of the molestation accusations, even if he were found not guilty and these stories are all fabrications just for these accusers to get their 15-minutes. It's all so incredibly bizarre, and he thought he'd get away with it (kind of like BV and his minions).

Layla said...

House of Cards films here in Maryland, and DH and I know some people involved with the show. One, in particular, had a regular part on the show and spoke very fondly of Kevin Spacey. Since the scandal broke, none of them have said a word about KS or the show. Whether that is out of loyalty, or embarrassment, or because they have been ordered to keep silent, we don't know. Of course, we wouldn't come out and ask about something like that, but it's a little odd that everyone acts like the show never existed. `Of course, this is the DC area, so denying the existence of scandal isn't all that uncommon.

Midnight Madness (138)
I wonder if the person who posted about the windowless room was referring to the story that came out a few years ago from an anonymous insider who said Colin was put in a windowless room, away from his brothers, to sleep by himself. (Sorry for the run-on sentence). At the time we all thought it seemed a little far-fetched, but it doesn't seem that way now, knowing Collin's fate.

Anonymous said...

Republican senate candidate Roy Moore only dated young girls with the permission of the girl's mother. He sounds like a Duggar relative.

bm

just watching said...

My husband, my son, and I sat down to discuss it. He said it wasn't something he wanted to pursue.

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That's great, Layla. However, I do wonder what you would have done had your son wanted to continue.

And yes, of course I'd allow a child of mine to play Lacrosse (or any sport). Not sure how one can compare child acting to playing a sport? Completely different animals.
Regardless, I am pleased to hear your son is thriving (without acting)!

Layla said...

just watching (144)
I compared my son acting to Lacrosse because they are both hobbies that kids might want to try. Four of my sons played Lacrosse. It was a hobby. One tried acting. It was a hobby. None of them ever considered these activities to be anything more. I also consider music lessons to be a hobby, and some of my sons did that, too.

I'm not sure why you'd wonder what I would do if my son wanted to continue acting. It wasn't a major interest for him. The cause he was promoting when he first appeared on TV (and which he is still involved in) is a passion for him. It is something he wants to continue doing, and we're all behind him because it is an important social issue. I shared his experience with him acting because, even with the limited jobs my son did, there were plenty of red flags. Parents were expected to just turn their kids over to strangers and leave. It's no surprise that something bad could happen in such circumstances. What is surprising is that there are parents out there who ignore the red flags and continue to put their kids at risk.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


House of Cards films here in Maryland, and DH and I know some people involved with the show. One, in particular, had a regular part on the show and spoke very fondly of Kevin Spacey. Since the scandal broke, none of them have said a word about KS or the show. Whether that is out of loyalty, or embarrassment, or because they have been ordered to keep silent, we don't know. Of course, we wouldn't come out and ask about something like that, but it's a little odd that everyone acts like the show never existed. `Of course, this is the DC area, so denying the existence of scandal isn't all that uncommon.


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It doesn't surprise me people say he's a nice guy. A predator would have a difficult time being able to hide something like this for 30 years if he were a jerk. Someone would be ticked off and turn him in. You keep the secret by being sugary nice.

Some of the most deviant people in the history of the world have been very charming and congenial. Some are more like Kate, but not all.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


I just read online that the LAPD is no longer investigating Corey Feldman's abuse allegations because they are "out of statute". But they applaud him for coming forward.

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Do they mean they are beyond the statute of limitations? I really hope they are consulting with their prosecutors on that one before throwing in the towel. The SOL laws in CA are extremely generous, recognizing that many sex abuse victims aren't able to emotionally come forward until many years later. In some cases the SOL doesn't even start until you "realize" you've been abused, which often doesn't happen until a long time after when it comes to sex abuse.

Sigh, I just hope they've crossed their T's on this one.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I remember years ago when Netflix was taking off, they jacked up the prices a huge amount to capitalize.

Their fans were upset, and said this is a rip off and you're being greedy. Netflix dropped the prices back, as I recall, within days issuing a big apology. Their prices have barely moved since.

Point being, it's all about the viewers for them and they're not even going to risk somebody might be upset by Spacey. He was done and so is Louie CK.

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

"Writer accuses Richard Dreyfuss of exposing himself to her in the 80s"

Story on Yahoo

Please say it isn't true, Mr. Holland.

Sad but true said...

Anonymous said... 143
Republican senate candidate Roy Moore only dated young girls with the permission of the girl's mother. He sounds like a Duggar relative.
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I'm not sure that's true with respect to the 14-year-old.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Anonymous said... 143
Republican senate candidate Roy Moore only dated young girls with the permission of the girl's mother. He sounds like a Duggar relative.
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I'm not sure that's true with respect to the 14-year-old.



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The guy has always been a loon. Remember that judge who wouldn't follow a court order to remove the Ten Commandments statue from the state courthouse? That was HIM. Then when the Supreme Court issued Obergefell, he urged judges not to follow it. A Supreme Court decision!

He's another Kim Davis martyr type.

njay said...

This will melt your heart then make you so angry.Poor little C.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Xa5rmL5N9k

AuntieAnn said...

"Writer accuses Richard Dreyfuss of exposing himself to her in the 80s"

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The 1880s? Good lord, she claims this happened when she was 28 years old. Second wave feminism had been at the forefront for twenty years by that time. She waits until now to say something?


Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


The 1880s? Good lord, she claims this happened when she was 28 years old. Second wave feminism had been at the forefront for twenty years by that time. She waits until now to say something?


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What he did according to her sounds like relentless sexual harassment, but I also find it very frustrating that all these weepy feminists claim to be for women's rights and then don't REPORT this stuff when it happens and stop these men, let them know this is not ok. By her own admission she never acted like what he did was wrong. For all we know Richard thought he was making a pass that she was receptive to. That's called flirting. How's he supposed to know she doesn't like this unless she says she doesn't? Good lord. I'm just glad I'm a woman. The world appears booby trapped if you're a man.

A whole lot of nothing we can do for this woman NOW.

AuntieAnn said...

Dreyfuss admits his assholeish behavior and doesn't excuse it either. And its not like this woman was fresh out of middle school. At 28 she was old enough to stake her boundaries and recognize when they'd been crossed, not take shitty behavior from a boss as a job risk. Do/say something when it occurs. Don't whine about it 30 years later FFS.

ncgirl said...

Just read Derek Dillard of the Duggars show has been let go from TLC. He was the one who spoke against the transgender teen who has her own TLC show. No article yet, but I'm sure there will be. If you have twitter, you can read TLC's statement on their twitter.

Sad but true said...

ncgirl said... 156

http://people.com/tv/tlc-releases-statement-derick-dillard-jazz-jennings-comments/

I sincerely hope this is the beginning of the end for this family of bigots and hypocrites. IMO, there is nothing whatsoever to admire about their family or their lifestyle. I imagine TLC had no choice but to publicize this in the wake of his latest ridiculous comments about Jazz. And his newest gofundme campaign for his "ministry"---whatever that is.

ncgirl said...

Here's a link to the Derrick news:

http://people.com/tv/tlc-releases-statement-derick-dillard-jazz-jennings-comments/

foxy said...

Wow dirty Jesus got fired? I read on another site that his total net worth is about $10. Jimboob sure knows how to pick husbands for his daughters doesn't he.

Anonymous said...

For all we know Richard thought he was making a pass that she was receptive to. That's called flirting.
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You must live in a different world than the one I'm in, because in my world, a man exposing his erect penis to a woman in the workplace does not meet the definition of "flirting." It meets the definition of "sexual harassment." A man does not have the right to expose himself in an effort to find out if the woman is or isn't receptive. My god.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


For all we know Richard thought he was making a pass that she was receptive to. That's called flirting.
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You must live in a different world than the one I'm in, because in my world, a man exposing his erect penis to a woman in the workplace does not meet the definition of "flirting." It meets the definition of "sexual harassment." A man does not have the right to expose himself in an effort to find out if the woman is or isn't receptive. My god.


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Did you read their accounts?? Both Richard and the woman's accounts are very similar. Nobody ever said no, he never got any kind of indication she didn't like it, in fact she appeared to enjoy it. The encounters went on and on and on, he genuinely thought they had a little thing going on.

I'm sorry but you don't get to set up a man to make all these passes at you then 30 years later claim oops i guess I didn't like that after all, "Me too!". Bandwagon crap.

Richard himself seems baffled, saying if I didn't have the first clue she wasn't okay with it.

The exposure is weird, but it didn't come out of the blue. Rather it came after months of cat and mouse games between the two of them. That's not my idea of romance, but to each his own and I'm sure lots of couples play the "let me surprise you naked" game as part of their courtship, it's none of my business.

It again goes back to women taking responsibly, just a TINY amount of responsibility, for their own behavior. No really isn't all that hard to say. N-O. If her persists after that, that's a different story. But that's not how it went down, read the accounts.

Anonymous said...

More victim blaming on this blog, as per usual. Many of you are missing the point. Why should anyone (usually women) have been forced to risk their career by reporting the behavior of men in power? That should never have been a choice they had to make. Instead of calling out a culture propagated by predominately white males that normalized such behavior, you instead blame the victims. The 17 year-old who had her ass grabbed by Dustin Hoffman DID say something at the time...and was told to let it go. You should be far more concerned about cultural norms, but it's much easier to just victim blame, I suppose.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Why then didn't they announce he was sacked in August, when this went down?

Why wait unit now? Oh wait, because now it's kosher to say you're standing up for victims? Whatever, TLC.

There's going to be no way to prove he was really sacked in August. They could have been filming this whole time and will just put it in the garbage now that they realize the tables have turned in Hollywood. They're so transparent.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

unts. There was no "courtship." You act as if they were a couple and he exposed himself. Uh, no. He exposed himself to his work colleague. That is not, never has been and never will be what constitutes "flirting." And since Richard Dreyfuss has categorically denied exposing himself, even he knows that wouldn't qualify as "flirting." Again...my God.


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Your interpretation of the accounts is very, very conservative. Did you wear a pilgrim hat when reading them? Lol.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

ncgirl (#156), People has the story now. And Derick has a new Go Fund Me campaign for donations for his religious studies. Like TFW, he seems to be allergic to the concept of getting a real job to earn money.

Derick had just finished another round of tweets poking at Jazz. And he insists on referring to Jazz as "he" and "him." What a pompous, disrespectful little snot.

Tucker's Mom said...

ncgirl said... 156
Just read Derek Dillard of the Duggars show has been let go from TLC. He was the one who spoke against the transgender teen who has her own TLC show. No article yet, but I'm sure there will be. If you have twitter, you can read TLC's statement on their twitter.
^^^^^
Whoa! I just read that he went after Jazz again. Damn straight TLC should have fired him.
WTH?
Jazz is also a minor!

Buh bye, DJ!

Now, never show Joshie on any of your shows and in fact, get the whole damn clan off the boob tube.

Tucker's Mom said...

TLC's statement:
“We want to let our viewers know that Derick Dillard has not participated in Counting On for months and the network has no plans to feature him in the future,” the network said on Saturday. “We want to reiterate that Derick’s personal statements do not reflect the views of the network. TLC is proud to share the story of Jazz Jennings and her family and will continue to do so.”

But, TLC, the entire CLAN agrees with him! So, why do you keep rewarding their bigotry with fame and money?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Whoa! I just read that he went after Jazz again. Damn straight TLC should have fired him.
WTH?
Jazz is also a minor!

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He's brazen and arrogant. He actually thinks there's nothing he could say to get fired. Oops.

Tucker's Mom said...

Why wait unit now? Oh wait, because now it's kosher to say you're standing up for victims? Whatever, TLC.
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Yup, TLC are hypocrites. You can't on the one hand say your support trans people and on the other, feature the Duggars who could not be more anti LGBT.

Anonymous said...

This is going to prove very tricky for both TLC and the Duggars. Will the clan continue to support his views or distance themselves from him in order to keep those TLC paychecks coming?

bm

Tucker's Mom said...

FlimsyFlamsy said... 162
ncgirl (#156), People has the story now. And Derick has a new Go Fund Me campaign for donations for his religious studies. Like TFW, he seems to be allergic to the concept of getting a real job to earn money.
^^^^^^
Effing unbe-effing-lievable!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Yup, TLC are hypocrites. You can't on the one hand say your support trans people and on the other, feature the Duggars who could not be more anti LGBT.

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JAZZ should have quit when TLC wasn't taking a firm stand on this bigoted clan. I mean, what is Jazz doing on this channel? Why lower herself?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


FlimsyFlamsy said... 162
ncgirl (#156), People has the story now. And Derick has a new Go Fund Me campaign for donations for his religious studies. Like TFW, he seems to be allergic to the concept of getting a real job to earn money.
^^^^^^
Effing unbe-effing-lievable!

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Uh, why doesn't he get a student loan like the rest of the damn college population? TLC has created real monsters.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

How do you cut Derick from Counting On out of curiosity while still featuring his wife and kids? Isn't that going to be awkward? Or will Counting On now just be about the other kids?

Lol does anyone else see the irony in this part of his rant today? "“I pity Jazz 4 those who take advantage of him in order 2 promote their agenda, ...... It’s sad that ppl would use a juvenile this way.”

Buddy, TLC and your in-laws used all their juveniles to make a buck. For YEARS. And now you're doing it too! You're not using your kids? LOL

He's completely ignorant to all the research, time, careful thought and ultimately agony that goes into a decision like this for your child.

Anonymous said...

Interesting that Derick's original comment about Jazz was in August. Today TLC said he has not participated in Counting On for "months". Today, after his second comment, they have cut him loose. It looks like the second comment did it for him.

bm

Sad but true said...

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 169

Uh, why doesn't he get a student loan like the rest of the damn college population? TLC has created real monsters.
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Because this one-year "ministry" program is under the auspices of a church, not an accredited learning institution, and is very vague on what its aims are and what it trains people for. All that's known is there are "mission trips" and not a helluva lot more is spelled out. I think Derick is a lot more interested in seeing the world on someone else's dime than anything else. Many clergy in many demoninations have full-time jobs in addition to their ministering. So what makes him so damn special?

Many are speculating that he was actually dropped from TLC some time around when the 2d child was born in July. But the talk seems to be that while he is gone, Jill will still be on the show---ergo, still earning a paycheck and quite capable of supporting her husband's whims. So why another crowd-funding effort? Is he really that delusional? Or just plain lazy?

I think JimBoob's got another PR problem on his hands, and he may well not have as much control over this one as he did Josh. Because dirty Jesus does not appear inclined to shut up.

Sad but true said...

Here's the intro to his gofundme page:

"BIG NEWS! I am currently serving through a program at my home church, called the Cross Church School of Ministry! I am so excited about this incredible opportunity for further ministry development, and I would like to invite you to share in this excitement with me.

"I started a fundraiser on gofundme to raise the funding I need for various missions opportunities I will have throughout the year. I have a donations goal of $10,000. This will enable me to fulfill my specific calling to ministry this year, including trips for Gospel-advancement and humanitarian work in Northwest Arkansas, North America, and abroad.

"The Cross Church School of Ministry is a one-year, ministry, residency experience that I believe will be a key asset in not only my vocational ministry, but also in my personal development."

The page opened almost 24 hours ago with a donation already posted of $2,694. He's brought in another $5 so far.

So far, the only "mission" he's been on was a week-long trip to DC---WITH wife and baby (not the older boy)---where all he appears to have done is the standard tourist stuff. If they dropped by FRC, it wasn't made public. How can you ask for donations for something like this? He (they) really is appalling.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Interesting that Derick's original comment about Jazz was in August. Today TLC said he has not participated in Counting On for "months". Today, after his second comment, they have cut him loose. It looks like the second comment did it for him.

bm


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I think they're lying. I think what really happened is he got a warning to knock it off or next time he's gone. He did, for awhile. Then he couldn't resist. He thought they wouldn't notice his mouthing off occurred in a comment to comment among twitter users and not an actual direct tweet. But he's not as sneaky as he thinks he is.

Tucker's Mom said...

and I would like to invite you to share in this excitement with me.

^^^^^^
What a rhymes with 'Mick" head.

Anonymous said...

From his gofundme, "....and I would like to invite you to share in this excitement with me." With your $$$$$$ that is.

bm

Tucker's Mom said...

Anonymous said... 180
From his gofundme, "....and I would like to invite you to share in this excitement with me." With your $$$$$$ that is.

bm
^^^^^^
I'm going to have to give a hard "no" on that, Dirty Jesus.
I totally fine being in the dark on your "mission".

AuntieAnn said...

Anonymous said... 

More victim blaming on this blog, as per usual. Many of you are missing the point. Why should anyone (usually women) have been forced to risk their career by reporting the behavior of men in power? That should never have been a choice they had to make. Instead of calling out a culture propagated by predominately white males that normalized such behavior, you instead blame the victims.

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No, you're missing the point. There is no "victim" when a 28 year old, obviously well-educated, informed woman continued to accept that kind of behavior - for years, apparently - without confronting the issue. That WAS a choice in the 80s and she didn't take it.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


More victim blaming on this blog, as per usual. Many of you are missing the point. Why should anyone (usually women) have been forced to risk their career by reporting the behavior of men in power? That should never have been a choice they had to make. Instead of calling out a culture propagated by predominately white males that normalized such behavior, you instead blame the victims.

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No, you're missing the point. There is no "victim" when a 28 year old, obviously well-educated, informed woman continued to accept that kind of behavior - for years, apparently - without confronting the issue. That WAS a choice in the 80s and she didn't take it.

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It's also pure speculation that one would be "risking their career" to report the allegations or at the very least ask the man to stop. She herself admits he was actually a very nice guy otherwise. What evidence is there reporting this would be such a huge problem? None.

And you know what, as a matter of fact I do expect you to risk your D-list writing career to stop someone from hurting others. Grow up and get some morality. If we are to expect people in other industries to report abuse--the football industry, schools, the church, why is Hollywood exempt? Nothing came of her career anyway, she writes about iPhones. Big whoop.

Richard Dreyfuss is an actor, not in writing or even usually in production. I find it improbable, no impossible, to believe that any mature 28 year old woman honestly believes that Richard Dreyfuss is capable of going on a campaign to end her writing "career". Is able to go to every publication out there and inform them not to hire Jessica Teich. Lol, get REAL. Seriously, get real. Even in the olden times of the 80's a publication would not give two flying flips what Drefuss thinks about who should be hired.

This woman didn't report it because one she never told him to stop and knew deep down it would be grossly unfair to blindside him, and she was a coward who didn't want to upset the great Richard Dreyfuss--only when it's cool to do so did she come forward.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Many of you are missing the point. Why should anyone (usually women) have been forced to risk their career by reporting the behavior of men in power?


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Maybe you should ask Pennsylvania prosectors that little question of yours. They DID expect Graham Spanier to risk his career to report powerful men. At the time, some of the most powerful men in PA and certainly in college football. Kings. They don't care, they wanted it reported, and they want consequences for not reporting.

They did expect it, and saw to it Spanier went to jail for his failures.

I really don't care about your precious career when people are getting hurt and neither did those prosecutors. Since when did that become the trump card excuse??

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Why should anyone (usually women) have been forced to risk their career by reporting the behavior of men in power?

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I'll answer your question with a question. How does not reporting it accomplish anything to progress us beyond what we have now?

By your logic, you will hold us in a perpetual stalemate on this issue. You can never report anything because you shouldn't be expected to risk your career, and because nobody ever reports anything, we never progress as a society beyond this alleged stigma of reporting.

(Incidentally, who in the past month this sweep of reporting has lost their jobs? I'm guessing....nobody. In fact, one or more are poised to be awarded for their reporting with some of our highest honors, not looked down upon. The "report it lose your job" lie is just that, a lie.)

By your logic, you have made things a whole lot WORSE for victims, not better. And this whole time you've been patting yourself on the back for what a champion you are for victims.

In my experience, those who cheer the loudest for "victims" are often up to no good.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Read.her.story.

She said she went on multiple trips with Dreyfuss all over the country. Went on multiple lunch dates with him. Accepted invitations to his trailer. Accepted love notes from him. She HERSELF admits she thinks Richard would be surprised to find out she didn't like any of this, as she never indicated that to him. SHE ADMITS IT. What the hell is he supposed to do? Many, many workplaces allow romances. Actors fall in love on the set with other actors or production all.the.time. For all he knew it was just another set romance. He was not that older than her, they were peers. She was well of age. She was smart.

The most she EVER claims she did to indicate this was unwelcome was to try to steer their conversation back to work. Never said no, never told him she didn't like this, never declined his invitations. All by her own admission.

Which is what I try to do when I've brought some work home and other half would like to do other things. :)

I'm sorry, that is not clear enough ladies. That is not clear enough at all. And to come back 30 years later and embarrass him so publicly over something he had NO IDEA over, is a reprehensible way to handle the situation.

Why not give the guy a phone call? Again, he was a NICE GUY. Why not clear the air with him directly like a grown up? What does she want out of this?

In his own statement, Richard said I absolutely thought this was consensual I had no clue otherwise, and let me point out, this went on years. It's reminding me a whole lot of the Bush butt pinching fiasco and how that backfired like crazy on the women.

Meanwhile, underage gymnasts are coming out like crazy about this molester. This kind of whiney crap districts from real predators like that doctor.

confused said...

I'm a rather young(ish) woman. Definitely NOT a pearl clutcher.

However, I've never heard anyone speak of 'flirting' as exposing one's penis to another as a 'surprise'. Is that the new 'thing' now?

Guess I AM getting old.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


However, I've never heard anyone speak of 'flirting' as exposing one's penis to another as a 'surprise'. Is that the new 'thing' now?

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I wouldn't call that part flirting. But you can't take it out of context as you insist on doing. There was a very lengthy, lengthy cat and mouse flirting game leading up to the exposure. It went.on.years. She NEVER said no. In fact, she herself said there is no reason whatsoever Richard should have known she didn't like this. Her own words.

And so one day, after all this flirting, he took his clothes off. It didn't happen out of the blue, nor was he under the impression she did not want to see him naked.

Yeah, it's weird, it's not how I'd like to be courted, but the headlines are making it seem like he flashed his penis at her out of the blue. That is NOT what happened.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


He was an Academy award winning actor and she was working her first job out of graduate school. They were not peers.


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I just spit my O.J. LOL. Yes....they....were.

I don't care if you have an Academy Award. That doesn't make you God. I worked with somebody who had Emmys and Golden Globes stacked up in their house, who cares? I didn't feel some weird power imbalance. I totally disagree that some stupid shiny trophy suddenly means you can never flirt with anybody who doesn't have one. But that logic, he can't have any romances at all after winning, except with other winners. Don't be ridiculous.

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You are once again conveniently leaving out the part where he categorically denies exposing himself. Why would there be any need to deny that if he was just having a little fun with his girlfriend?
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I am not conveniently leaving that out. I was going to mention that actually. He denies that part of the story but not anything else. He is very clear that everything else happened.

And here's where it gets interesting. If you look at the woman's own story, she can't even provide any details about that incident. She can't recall how he became naked, or how she got close to him, or how she left. She claims it's all just a big blur. That is not very helpful in determining whether what he did was appropriate. Without more details which she is unable to provide, how can anyone judge the situation? He doesn't remember it at all, she can only remember little details. I'm sorry she can't remember, but it leaves everyone else at a severe disadvantage, including Richard himself. The question is why bring something like this up if she can't even be clear about it? Just to hop on the me too bandwagon?

Why doesn't she pick up the damn phone and clear the air with this guy? Be the grown up that she is.

NJGal51 said...

The list so far.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/11/10/us/men-accused-sexual-misconduct-weinstein.html

GollyGee said...

pick up the damn phone and clear the air with this guy? Be the grown up that she is.

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People don't know how to do this anymore. They let it go on and on.

IIRC, I remember that TFW was briskly walking down the street years ago and a pap was chasing her and the pap asked her, Did you know, Bill Blankenship and she hollered from the side of her mouth, Never heard of him!

I think it was a TMZ pap. Been looking for it.

I clearly remember Jon saying that he and TFW both met him 3 TIMES at different functions! As usual, SHE'S LYING!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


It wasn't a romance. It was ongoing sexual harassment in the workplace. The fact that you don't know the difference between the two is pathetic

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Do you have difficulty with reading comprehension? Read it again. She herself admits she gave him every indication this was consensual and does not believe he felt otherwise. Her.own.words. She gave him every impression this was indeed a romance. I can't control what she's thinking in her head, but it doesn't change the fact that the impression she gave was that everything was fine. That is her fault, pure and simple.

You can go on and on, but it doesn't change the fact that she deliberately deceived Richard into thinking this was consensual. She was a consenting adult, there was barely any age difference, and she wasn't even in the same field as him. That is a very inconvenient truth for your whole point.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Well that is your gigantic ego speaking, because if you think you were on the same level as your employer as the family nanny, you need to put down the crack pipe.



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Meh. What's the expression? We all shit the same.

"Levels"? Meh. We all shit.

You may be impressed by the glam and glitz of Hollywood. I'm not. And thankfully, I was not in a household where they thought of themselves as above others either. Everyone is treated with respect, from the gardener who doesn't speak English to the one holding the precious Emmy. Everyone has a role to play in the house that is important. Meh.

Anonymous said...

You may be impressed by the glam and glitz of Hollywood. I'm not. And thankfully, I was not in a household where they thought of themselves as above others either. Everyone is treated with respect, from the gardener who doesn't speak English to the one holding the precious Emmy. Everyone has a role to play in the house that is important. Meh.
$$$$$$
Treating someone with respect doesn't negate power. The one who writes the paycheck and has the ability to fire holds the power. Your refusal to accept that will not change reality.

Rainbowsandunicorns said...

Well that is your gigantic ego speaking, because if you think you were on the same level as your employer as the family nanny, you need to put down the crack pipe.

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Is this troll still being fed? I guess my question is...WHY?

Rainbowsandunicorns said...

I clearly remember Jon saying that he and TFW both met him 3 TIMES at different functions! As usual, SHE'S LYING!

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But you know how she is...self-absorbed and she doesn't see people. It could be that she did meet in him in passing, but had no idea who he was, or what role he played in production and doesn't remember him. Not to defend her, but it's possible and doesn't necessarily mean that she was lying.

AuntieAnn said...

I'm curious how this delicate butterfly with bruised wings has managed to navigate her way through life. She lives with the memory of the (alleged) shocking display of Richard's penis for 30 years until she builds the courage to call him out on it, but neglects to expose the name of the man she worked with at the ballet company who sexually abused and beat the shit out of her at the tender age of 16. Is he not famous enough for at least a mention? Seems to me that he would be the person more responsible for the psychological discomfort this woman has suffered with for the past 40-odd years. Or are we supposed to buy her book to find out who this guy is?

I have sneaking suspicion that Ms Teich's book needs a boost in sales, which is puzzling. It should really be flying off the shelves with reviews like this:


“Jessica Teich's understanding of trauma is the infallible authority upon which her tale rests. But the delicacy and nuance with which she renders this story is that of a poet. This beautiful, compassionately imagined book will bring a pang of recognition to anyone who has traveled to young adulthood from a wounded adolescence via the quest for ‘perfection.’”
—Meryl Streep 


(OT question: does Meryl have her fingers on the pulse of everything that goes on in that town? Or should I say ALMOST everything)

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

A penis, mind you, she consented to. But, buy her book. Yeah what’s with naming some guy she consented to for years but not naming the ACTUAL child predator before him who is probably responsible for her screwed up psyche and the absurd way that she handled her situation with Richard?

Meryl Streep sounds like she’s sniffing glue. What is she even talking about.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Treating someone with respect doesn't negate power. The one who writes the paycheck and has the ability to fire holds the power. Your refusal to accept that will not change reality.

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In your view, women are excused from doing the right thing because they might be risking their paycheck. From a predator who is abusing them. Why are they taking this blood money?

I don’t subscribe to such a pathetic stance nor am willing to absolve people of all responsibility because boo hoo the power is not perfectly balanced. We are better than that as a gender and as a human race. The law commands people in many professions to report abuse irrespective of how much power the perp has, and that is the morally correct view.

AuntieAnn said...

Meryl Streep sounds like she's sniffing glue. What is she even talking about.

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lol. I don't know I can't decipher it either. Maybe a botanist could help. It's awfully flowery.

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