Monday, August 14, 2017

Recap: Kate Plus 8 "The Room Project": Mind NOT blown

Catching up on some more old recaps! You can review the discussion thread of this episode here. Enjoy! 

It's interesting to watch The Room Project, which aired over two and a half years ago (sorry for my tardiest recap yet!), from the perspective of now. Things are so different today, with Collin gone, the chickens gone. But, so much remains the same. There's still the same amount of bickering and yelling and overall stress whenever they do anything.

I hate people who drop pronouns when they speak. This is Kate: Got back from summer vacation, put kids back in school. No, it's we got back from summer vacation. I put kids back in school. Grr! And there's that odd, stilted language again. You put kids back in school, like you might put away the pool toys for the summer? Not, "the kids started back up with school?" Strange.

For some reason Kate has the kids lined up on the stairs to lecture them, only she more seems to be lecturing the producers about what's happening, and she calls all the nasty acne on her face shingles. That's not shingles, it's acne. She needs to get a better doctor, as "stress"-related shingles has been thoroughly debunked much like no doctor anymore thinks ulcers are caused by stress (they are caused by a bacteria called h.pylori). Shingles is caused by a virus, not stress. Kate always has some weird stuff going on with her skin, I'm guessing she's the type who never washes her face before bed out of laziness. The kids look really bored.

Spoiled Mady and Cara are demanding their own rooms and have been for a while. In a family of eight kids, usually you tell your kids, "too bad." Not Kate though, she's going to make it happen. After all she's got to maintain some kind of leverage or at any time they could quit wanting to film anymore.

There's a TV and VCR in the boys room. I personally think kids should not have TV's in their room, and for that matter adults shouldn't either if they can stomach it. Not only is it a huge time suck and a distraction, but virtually every study concludes that it interferes with a good rest. Naturally, Kate is moving the boys' room to, you guessed it, the basement. Heh, you can't make this stuff up. They show a 3D rendering of the entire layout of the house, which I find extremely reckless. I guess she's never heard of cases like Elizabeth Smart or JonBenet Ramsey, where criminals get to know the layout of the house first before striking.

Mady is hysterical over something, wiping tears from her cheeks. I can't quite make out what the problem is. It's something about Kate warning them that cameras were coming up to their room and a dispute over when or who would clean up. In any case, it should be illegal to film your child when they are this upset. In California, it is. By law, a set teacher would have shut down production, and made sure the child was comforted and mentally stable before filming resumes. All Kate can say is people should feel sorry for her having to deal with Mady. Right, Kate, all the sympathy should be on you. Asshat.

Kate's one of those who has to remind you every five minutes they're sick. She has shingles. Yes, we heard you the first time, duchess. Kate's really loving her pink-hued French tip dated manicure she got. She's waving her fingers so close to the camera her hand is starting to look double the size of her head. Perspective, ya gotta think about that when you're on camera.

I would say I can't believe the way the kids mouth off to Kate, but I've seen it so much in the two years since this episode I've almost gotten used to it.

Kate is still trying to sell some kind of B.S. that having kids this age is so much harder than when they were infants, plus, she's a single parent. Heh. Single parenthood was her choice, by the way. The younger girls are very adamant about not moving, though I can't quite figure out why they are so against it. It is very noticeable to me that I never see the boys stomping around like this the way the girls do, refusing to go along with the plan the adults have decided for them. And therein lies the problem, the girls think they get to tell an adult what to do and what decisions to make. And that's one reason why, sorry to say, Kate has failed as a parent. She has instilled no sense of authority or respect in her.

The kids are ungrateful, Kate tells the camera. Her kids are ungrateful, it's true, but it's not fair to tell the public that, especially when you are the root cause of it. If you have an ungrateful child, you work on in privately with them, and perhaps with their teachers and therapists. You don't tell the world about your problems.

Mady is still hysterical, what the hell? She is red faced and sobbing. Could Kate be a good mother just once, once, and shut down filming until Mady gets a hold of herself? She is repugnant. The true nature of why Mady is so upset is becoming clearer. She is troubled that the younger girls don't want to move, and she offers to cancel the whole thing if it's going to make them this upset. That's nice of her, actually. I've said all along there is a kind soul in Mady, and I think it genuinely does upset her that her younger siblings are so ticked off about this move.

Kate says she should have just remodeled her own bedroom and be done with it. It's rare I agree with her, but I think she's right. There is nothing about these kids that suggest they deserve a new room. Or, give the boys their own room, as they behave and are grateful. And when the girls earn it, someday they can have theirs, too. I remember getting my own room at about age 13, and I don't remember having any negative feelings about it. It was pure excitement, and I loved it, even though there were downsides, like it was smaller than my old room (which I shared). I'm not saying that to propose I was some kind of perfect child, far from it, but I was raised to be appreciative, and when you are raised as such, it doesn't really cross your mind to look a gift horse in the mouth.

The conflict escalates to getting a little grabby and physical, and now Leah is sobbing, too. What a mess.

Kate makes a ridiculous comment that everyone's lives are stressed and that only the strong survive. Let me explain something to her. Stress is something that, barring mental health issues, you choose to invoke to react to your situation. You can choose to deal with a lot on your plate or difficult problems by being "stressed," or you can choose to be calm, rational, and low key about it.


A lot of potential stress triggers are also avoidable, so you can also plan ahead to mitigate stress. So no, not everyone lives in a constant state of stress. I don't, even though objectively, you might say there are things in my life that could be "stressful." For instance, the dozen child abuse cases I work on Monday through Friday and often weekends, too. I don't feel stressed about them in the slightest, however, because I don't approach them from such a negative emotional place. I think if I did let myself feel overwhelmed, I wouldn't be able to handle them as well. As for Kate's comment only the strong survive, realize she's talking about switching around a couple of bedrooms! Survive?? So dramatic.

They check out the basement where the boys' room will be. Thank goodness it has some big long windows, which makes me think this is a ground level "basement." Much less like a prison. It's going to need a lot of work, right now it houses Kate's storage of a fuckety billion BBQ sauce bottles and cleaning products fit for the apocalypse, and her freezers. Remember when she was bragging about all of those freezers? Wasn't that on her blog somewhere? Lol, I remember what fun we had snarking on her back when blogging was her flavor of the month. I guess if North Korea really does go nuclear this family is going to be eating a heck of a lot of BBQ chicken.

Because they're going to paint anyway, Kate lets the kids graffiti the walls with paint samples. That is really neat, though she has to suck the fun out of it by shouting orders at them and making them wear huge plastic smocks like they're about to go on Maid of the Mist at Niagara Falls. Don't they have old painting clothes they could wear, the kind you just toss after it gets dirty?

Collin is as talkative and happy as I've ever seen him, thrilled with how he painted his name on the wall so colorfully and also painted a crying smiley face who doesn't want him to leave the room. Aw. Collin goes around and says goodbye to all of the murals they painted, and then the room. Double aw. This, Kate, is why people keep asking, "where's Collin?" We like the kid.

Mady has speckles of paint all over her feet somehow, and leaves the room, getting some drips on the hallway floor. On the one hand, you just want a strangle a kid for doing that. On the other hand, Mady is sorry, and because they noticed it right away, Kate was able to rub the paint right off. No harm. Kate opened the door when she allowed them to paint. Any time you do that, one should just assume paint will get somewhere it shouldn't be.

Some random painters are now in one of the rooms, and they painted a sample of the purple paint Kate chose. Heh, it's Barney purple now that it's on the wall, and Kate freaks out about how dark it looks. What do we do?!

Pick another color, the painter says calmly and rationally. Right, because, you just pick another color. What else can you do? He doesn't seem stressed in the slightest about any of this. I'm sure he's dealt with hundreds of people who don't like the color now that it's on the walls, which is why he painted a sample for her. I'm not a fan of various busy colors she has scattered throughout the house. It looks way too childish and dated. I notice she has evergreen in one random room, and I have a feeling the girls are going to outgrow the purple fast. More contractors are in the basement refinishing the boys' room, and it quickly looks really, really good. They've done wood paneling from the floor to halfway up, and above the wood, a very sleek slate blue paint. It looks so good I'm sure Kate had nothing to do with designing it. Kate gets the contractor to agree to cut some two-by-fours for her for a pumpkin bulls eye game. Huh? What does this have to do with remodeling the basement? Charge her extra, buddy! She awkwardly flirts with him, promising hugs and kisses. Ew. His expression is also, "ew." He suggests maybe just hugs? Heh!

I guess I didn't catch on it is Halloween time until they start carving pumpkins. Kate figures this is a good time to do it since they're stuck at home due to construction.

That's a weird comment. Number one, they always seem to be stuck at home, so I don't know why this would be any different. Number two, it's often better to leave when construction is going on. The house is a wreck and often not very livable, and the contractors usually want you out of their hair anyway. They'll call you if they need you. I wonder if these contractors got annoyed at the nine people in and out of the workspace constantly the whole time.

I have no idea why Kate is having a meltdown over the downstairs bathroom being messy, which it barely is. And why she would choose to have this meltdown now when everyone is elbow deep in pumpkin carving and can't come address the issue without cleaning themselves up first? Kate should have checked the bathroom before they started carving pumpkins. She makes a rule that "it's not mine" doesn't work anymore and if you see something messy, clean it up. In theory, yes, but in this family, that will only result in the boys doing all the work and the girls doing nothing, because they will take advantage of that.

Some of the kids are really getting antsy on the couch, closing their eyes or picking at toenails. They're two years younger than they are now, and at that age endless sit-down conversations about things they did weeks ago has to start getting really tiresome. I've always wondered how long these interviews really take door to door, but realistically, it has to be at least a few hours if not much more.

Next up they play a pumpkin bullseye game, where you have to throw little sugar pumpkins at a big bullseye spray painted sloppily on some plywood. Kate has no idea how she came up with this great idea, she says innocently. I bet I know. Cherry Crest Farm in Paradise, a mere 50 miles from her home. They were doing the pumpkin bullseye game as far back as 2014. Gotch-ya!

Wouldn't this game be much more fun if they were allowed to have some friends over, instead of having to play it with Mommy, who is a perpetual nag? Recently the kids seem to spend a bit more time with friends, and I suspect that's more because Kate really can't stop them. But even in this episode, they are well old enough to be spending most of their free time with kids their age. They just weren't old enough to tell Kate to piss off. Yet.

Lol, the pumpkins aren't smashing. They're just hitting the plywood like a basketball and bouncing off. It's making everyone agitated. Two problems here. First, I'm betting the pumpkins need to be overripe to smash easily or maybe even carved already. A sugar pumpkin you buy fresh from the store is like a rock, and you could drop it without a problem. Second, plywood is way too thin and flexible, too much give. Even something prone to smashing could bounce right off without injury. Kate really wasn't paying attention in Physics.

The twins have a lot of nerve complaining that the sextuplets are competitive and annoying. These twins are outrageously competitive themselves, and even at almost 17 now, are still trying to stack the deck in their favor whenever they play a game, to ensure they win. Two words come to mind: grow up.

Eventually after repeated hits the pumpkins start smashing, and the kids start having fun. That's a relief. Smashing good fun, says Kate. Dork.

The kids are experiencing a problem of the one percent in that they have to sleep on air mattresses and they can't find their stuff while they wait for the remodeling to finish. We meander down a little side thread in that the kids play instruments and are excited to show them off. That sounds like a short-lived endeavor, I never remember hearing about those again. The boys feed the chickens and the family cooks dinner. Maybe it's better to kill time showing old clips after all, as all this whole lot of nothing is mind-numbing.

Kate explains the way they've survived all of this over time (all of what??? She never says) .... and I almost think she is going to say by love and leaning on each other. But no, Heir Kate says it's routine! The schedule! that gets them through. Quick march! Sigh.


A couple chicken fingers and a small side salad. I guess this was back when Kate could ration their food Oliver! style. At least give them a nice honey mustard dipping sauce for the chicken. Come on!

Furniture shopping. I'm in the middle of that myself, trying to furnish a house that's double the size of any apartment I've ever lived in is quite an undertaking. It was fun at first but you get to the point where you just want a chair to sit in, any chair, and you just don't give a darn anymore. I think it's nice actually Kate takes the kids with her to do the shopping, as certainly it would be infinitely easier to shop without them. Oh, so it's the kids who are estranged from Jon who went on the shopping trip--the twins, Collin and Alexis. Collin is cute, he loves all the patterned rockers you might see at grandma's. Kate teases him, saying he's 60 years early for that. I don't mind that kind of banter with your kid, it's cute. I wish Kate would be light-hearted and fun like this with her children all or at least most of the time. I think she would find herself with much calmer, happier children. Life's short, so better to make a joke than to be a shrew, I say.

Kate's taste in furniture is 1999 at best. Her house is, to be frank, awful. It needs a remodel and to be redecorated, it's so dated. It looks to me like she kept most of the decor from the previous owners, and cheaped out on hiring a real designer for the rest, relying on Pinterest instead. Big mistake. Huge. If you know you're not going to redecorate for a very long time, then it's a good idea to buy more timeless, traditional pieces. Going with the trend of the year means you're setting yourself up to need a redo within the decade, and that's a waste of money. You can't take the no class out of that girl.

They're doing something I learned not to do furniture shopping. Don't walk into the store blind trying to find your vision. Look online first and try to know exactly what you want and what store to find it at. We've avoided a whole lot of up-selling and misdirection this way. Incidentally, the couch we just picked out, which is one of the most competitively priced yet best reviewed couches you can find (Pacific Beach designs, if you're interested), was conveniently hidden at the back of the store. They don't want you to buy that good couch, and they won't steer you that way if you go in cold. That's for smart people who find it online.

The big reveal is finally here. This woman makes my blood pressure go up, I can't imagine what she does to her own children This should be a purely happy moment, full of anticipation and excitement. Instead Kate takes it upon herself to lecture them firmly and in my view very nastily about how they need to keep these rooms nice and organized and pick up after themselves.

I have an idea. If someone is being messy and disrespectful of their space, address it with that child individually, and when it happens. The kids look at her in a daze, as why wouldn't they, as they have done nothing wrong. They haven't even seen the new rooms yet to mess them up. And I have another newsflash for Kate. Her children are teens and pre-teens. She will spend the better part of the next six years telling them to clean up after themselves, if it's that important to her. That's just part of having kids this age, and it's probably caused by a number of reasons. They don't have a concept that you pay for the space you live in, or understand what money is even worth, which often motives older people to keep it nice and protect your investment, they have many other more important things on their mind like school and friends, they could be just going through a slob stage or lazy stage, or very likely, they are modeling adults who are messy, like Kate herself, who (it's all on film) lives in a very cluttered and disorganized home where nothing seems to have its place. Kids also don't have enough life experience to understand why a mess is such a big problem (it gets harder to clean up the more it sets, it makes the rest of your life feel chaotic, you can't find things in the rubble, it's embarrassing when guests come over, etc.). Bottom line, messiness is normal in a child, and most outgrow it with help and encouragement, and most of all, patience and some compassion for their emotional development. There will be plenty of time to lecture them on this point, can they just have some calm and peace for once?

For once the boys get to go first, which is nice. Their room is, clean, I guess, and they're very appreciative. It has the wood paneling and trim everywhere as we saw before, and cool cubbies below each of the three windows. They're cute, Joel says he was so excited it was like that feeling when you're on a rollercoaster. Collin say his stomach did a U-turn, heh! What are they, 11 here? That is the best age ever.

No boys in girls room and no girls in boys? Seems like they're a little old for such a strict rule. Couldn't the rule just be, knock first?

The room is pretty bare, though, even though the boys adore it. There is nothing in there but the beds and a few pieces of ugly furniture. I hope they get to hang some cool stuff on the walls at some point. Other shows have had designers come in and do a really cool remodel of a kids' room. Check out Chip and Joanne Gaines' and what they did to a boys' room.


The vintage clock and fan, the bar, the live baits sign, the canoe acting as a window box, and the center area with some seating and a coffee table, all take a room from "meh" to marvelous. The Gaines room is the difference between kids saying, wow, thanks, it's nice, to MIND BLOWN.

I'm glad the boys appreciate this, that's benevolent of them, but it could have been so, so much more on the same or similar budget, too. What a shame.

The younger girls' room is sadly, just as uneventful. There is literally nothing in there but three beds, two dressers, and these rather dumb white boxes to store girl stuff that will end up mostly collecting dust within a year or two. Kate is so proud of the oddest things, it gets embarrassing.

So really, this wasn't a remodel or reboot even at all. Nothing cool came out of it. It was painting a few walls, and moving some furniture around. There's a Yiddish word for that, where you just move things around, fuss with things, only to be right back to where you started. Darn it, what is that?

The girls are getting lectured again? Wtf, they're not doing anything wrong but being happy about their new rooms!

Finally Mady and Cara's room. I see now, we started with the least important group, the boys, and are building up to the real stars of the show, the twins. If it's possible, the twins' rooms are even less interesting than the others. There is nothing going on there. I feel like these look very different than the twins' rooms we saw in later years. Please tell me a designer took pity on what we're seeing here and came in and did something real finally. Hm.

Kids never appreciate things, says Kate. That's not true at all. Not never, anyway, so don't say that! First of all, her boys have proven to be very appreciative of much of what she does for them. Furthermore, an adult usually must teach a child to feel and act appreciative, it often does not come naturally. So if her kids are ungrateful, that's her fault. She is the one who doesn't appreciate things, as she actually complains with a straight face that their mansion is feeling smaller and smaller the older the kids get. Well, then, toss some of their stuff, and get rid of your own piles of clutter. You'd be amazed how huge the house becomes.

No little kids in our rooms! Cara gripes. Cara, stop being eight years old. Until next time.

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GollyGee said...

WTF! She called a lawyer friend who threatened legal action?! She is losing it!

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She is losing it? Honey, SHE HAS ALREADY LOST IT!

You call your local yokel attorney (no offense, local!) who went to the wrong courthouse when you were suing Jon and Robert and sent him down to threaten Jon at the orthodontic office? What a hateful, spiteful, *****!

It is escalating!!!

Why didn't they arrest her for hurting Hannah! She had to go in an ambulance to the ER for treatment because her mentally ill mother hurt her?

Is her arm sprained, out of socket, fractured? In a cast?

I wonder if this judge is the same judge that she has had for years and I can't believe that the judge said, Either you go with your mother OR FOSTER CARE!

Pro Kate!

And Hannah chose Foster Care. Wow! That is just heartbreaking to hear because what in the world is going on in that house? She really is going to let Hannah have it when she sees her. You chose Foster Care over me, after all I have suffered supporting you? Even though it is the other away around. Has to be a reason why she is trying to keep the kids home.

She must have cleaned their accounts down so low that she needs to film to pump them back up.

Kate: Where are the cameras? Send in the cameras!
TLC: Maybe...next...year.

Anonymous said...

localyocul said... 197
This judge needs to be removed!

"Kate called the police, who called Jon to set up an exchange spot,” the source revealed. Hannah still refused to leave Jon though, which is when the cops called the judge. “He told the officers to tell Hannah that if she didn’t go home with her mother, he was going to stick her in foster care. Hannah said, ‘Ok, I will go to foster care.'”

Kate was then reportedly told by police that she could “remove Hannah from the car,"

http://hollywoodlife.com/2017/08/23/jon-kate-gosselin-custody-battle-violent-fight-hannah-hospital/
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It's no wonder Jon stopped trying to fight her. Looks like the local court and law enforcement are in Kate's corner ... along with her "attorney friend". Disgusting.

Hoosier Girl

Sad but true said...

Formerly Duped said... 2

I continue to be stymied as to how a guardian ad litem has NOT been appointed in this case. It should have been done YEARS ago. There is no one there for the kids, and so it turns into a tug of war between the parents. So much of this could have been avoided if a GAL had been in place.

Anonymous said...

I think all the Gosselin children need to speak to therapists. They should be encouraged to talk openly about how they feel and what they have experienced. They need to know there will be no reprisal and not to fear vengeance. All those who have known for years what has been going on in the house of horrors should have their 'agreements' declared null and void and interviewed by the proper authorities. The abuse these children have suffered must be stopped. I feel so sorry for them and doubly so that all this is coming to a head at the beginning of a new school year when they should be happy about becoming re-acquainted with schoolmates they probably have not be allowed to see all summer.

bm

Anonymous said...

Sad but true said... 6

I continue to be stymied as to how a guardian ad litem has NOT been appointed in this case. It should have been done YEARS ago. There is no one there for the kids, and so it turns into a tug of war between the parents. So much of this could have been avoided if a GAL had been in place.
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Me too. Apparently the Judge is an idiot.

Hoosier Girl

Paisley said...

If Jon gets full or partial custody of Hannah, will either Alexis, Cara or Maddie be added to the four kids visitation schedule?

Sad but true said...

Haha, I doubt Kate will think of this as supportive! Cuz I think we know what decision Hannah will make.

Cato‏ @Cato_Cat
@Kateplusmy8 sending you some support! Good news kids are old enough now to make their own decisions.

Localyocul said...

Don't forget she is friends with that one cop.

Susan1956 said...

"Kate called the police, who called Jon to set up an exchange spot,” the source revealed. Hannah still refused to leave Jon though, which is when the cops called the judge. “He told the officers to tell Hannah that if she didn’t go home with her mother, he was going to stick her in foster care. Hannah said, ‘Ok, I will go to foster care.'”
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When I first saw the quote of the judge threatening Hannah--really all parties--with foster care, I was outraged. But maybe the judge is so exasperated with the whole situation, he was trying to use it as a cooling off technique. But the point became moot when Hannah needed treatment for her arm injury.

I seem to remember a case of parental alienation/children refusing to visit their father so bad in California? that a judge did order the children into foster care to allow both sides to breathe, the children to get therapy, etc. I'm not sure it was successful. Admin, do you know of such a case?

Sad but true said...

Paisley said... 9

I don't think the twins can be forced to see their dad. And he likely wouldn't press it, at least for now. If Hannah goes, though, that might re-open the whole question of visitation for the one tup left at home who doesn't see her dad.

Layla said...

If the judge gave Kate permission to remove Hannah from the car, then she was following the judge's orders when she hurt H. She'll probably skate by on that, sadly enough. How can this judge do something like this? H said she'd rather go to foster care, so that judge completely disregarded her wishes. Why give H a choice if you're not going to take it into consideration? And then give her mother permission to manhandle her like that. What kind of judge is this?

Kate had her local lawyer threaten Jon. She's still bullying others to get her way.

How bad are things in that house that H is willing to go to such lengths to keep from going back? I think that Kate is freaking out about the show being on hiatus, and is taking it out on the kids. Her post about them doing NOTHING this summer was telling. She was outraged that they had all this time off and they were doing nothing. Maybe she blames them for the show's low ratings and the filming break. Either way, things must be really ugly at home, and I bet H is not the only kid who wants out.

Layla said...

I am praying for poor Hannah. She's desperate to get away from her mother, and the legal system has completely failed her up to now. It's encouraging to hear that Jon was given equal custody, even if it is just temporarily, but the judge needs to start looking out for Hannah's well-being instead of kissing Kate's ass. The harm being done to this child could be irreparable.

There will be a tell-all book. And Hannah will be the one to write it.

Tucker's Mom said...

I remember the custody case too. I think it was in California, and the judge said some pretty terrible things to the kids. Evidently the kids were as bad as the parents. The whole family was so dysfunctional that custody was a three ring circus. I'd love to know what happened to that family.
If I recall correctly, the problem root was parental alienation.

Tucker's Mom said...

I also don't think the twins can be forced to see Jon at this point. It's just too late for them. It's going to have to be a matter of them becoming adults and hopefully getting some therapy and reconnecting with him once they realize how manipulative Kate was.
I'm only holding out hope for Cara at this point.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Police do not contact judges directly. That would be an ex Parte communication and prohibited by legal ethics in ALL states. Further, a judge does not and should not threaten children with foster care and if he does a complaint should be filed. Someone is getting their telephone game wires crossed.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I remember the custody case too. I think it was in California, and the judge said some pretty terrible things to the kids. Evidently the kids were as bad as the parents. The whole family was so dysfunctional that custody was a three ring circus. I'd love to know what happened to that family.

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As our own California Supreme court said last month in a landmark opinion:

"Indeed, these dueling theories of causation underscore the complexity of family dynamics, and the difficulty of assigning responsibility in this situation. “The loss of parental control is rarely if ever attributable solely to the parent or the child. It is instead the result of a long and complicated chain of actions and reactions culminating in the child’s refusal to submit to parental authority. To attempt to affix responsibility on one party or the other is alien not only to the spirit and letter of the juvenile court laws, but to any realistic view of family relationships.”

Sad but true said...

Do I detect a tiny crack in the sheeple facade?

Nora‏ @NoraSaysNo
Replying to @ConcernedChick @Kateplusmy8
Oh no.... this makes me sad. I have been a fan for a long time, but I wish they would just get it together for the kids' sake. #hardtowatch

Susan1956 said...

GollyGee said... 4

You chose Foster Care over me, after all I have suffered supporting you? Even though it is the other away around. Has to be a reason why she is trying to keep the kids home.

She must have cleaned their accounts down so low that she needs to film to pump them back up.
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A lot of Khate's behavior is due to her need for total control, personality issues, mental illness, etc. Take your pick.

I can't find it now, but I thought Jon had said that the kids had fully funded college trust funds that couldn't be accessed until time for college. Then again, who is the trustee--anything could happen I guess?

But I think you're right in that maybe the kids' earnings in the trust(s) she is allowed to access for their 'needs' is probably pretty low. I've always thought that she takes the kids' earnings from those trusts to pay for their schooling, clothes, medical care, food, household expenses, treating it like child support payments. She was able to last the 2 years when they didn't film, but what they have filmed since then, especially with just a 3 episode season last year/this year, probably isn't enough to cover all the expenses without her dipping into her funds. Lordy be!

Anonymous said...

That orthodontic office should get a restraining order. Katie is going to make their lives miserable if they are the ones who called the police. She's probably having the kids' records transferred as we speak! or plying the kids' braces off! :-)

As a grown woman, I would be mortified to act like that in public, let alone have the police called!

Hoosier Girl

JR said...

Could you imagine all the secrets that will come out at this trial...omg her worst nightmare...she's through!....these kids will bury her reputation...she must be in a panic right now...A TRIAL?!?! Omg

Tucker's Mom said...

Is there a trial, or another court hearing for custody?
A trial would be very juicy ;-) but... whatever gets the kids where they want to be is best.

Tucker's Mom said...

I've been wondering why Jon's been off social media for so long, especially since it seemed like his DJ gigs were going strong.
Maybe he's taking some time off or doing fewer gigs since he's had increased custody.

Sad but true said...

Milo's finally got around to posting her platitude du jour for her own true love.

miloandjack2016 When things go really bad,
When we feel like making it better is beyond our control & out of reach...
There is a place deep within...
Motivated by love, family and moral perseverance that you have to find.
A place in our inner being God gave us for especially trying times!
When you look in the mirror and find it...
You will be empowered!
#SeizeTheDay
#SeizeTheMoment
#PetitionAndPray ❤

"You have to be at your strongest when you're feeling at your weakest."

I wonder how strong K8 was feeling when she tried to rip Hannah out of Jon's car. The ER doctors probably have some idea.

jamesvader1194 said...

Sad but true 20 To be fair,there are some fans of Kate who don't hate Jon and just want the two of them to get along.I don't know what they believe in regards to Mady and cara not visiting but i remember that barb sometimes has commented nice things on Jon's IG account.This is not to say there support for Kate isn't blind but some aren't the types to "Lets blame Jon for everything thats bad."

JR said...

Please milo...Kate just wants to cut Jons balls off....she hates his guts....give it a rest

dennidon'tlikekate said...

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/jon-and-kate-gosselin-get-in-custody-dispute-at-orthodontist-office-w499248 haha i can't tell you how much pleasure i get to think that SHE got escorted from the dentist office…….. just desserts!

ncgirl said...

This is all just heartbreaking. Like somebody said, there needs to be an objective party involved. In her younger years, Hannah was called Kate's favorite. Now she's the one rebelling. It's going to be a long five years until they turn 18.

Anonymous said...

As someone tweeted earlier today, things really must be bad when one child is in an institution and another, when asked, said she would prefer to be in foster care than go home to her mother.

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Lanc Native said...

Well, I was in line at the grocery store this afternoon, and two women in front of me were talking about an abusive woman. My ears perked up. The one said, "You know, we lived near them in E-town and she was nuts back then. She was physically nasty to the kids, controlling, ugly to Jon, and snooty to the neighbors. It sounds like she's gotten worse over the years."

The other one said that if what is being reported in the news is true, she needs a complete psych exam.

The other one said, "What she needs is to be locked up and the key thrown away. She is dangerous and really nuts. This is a volatile situation and the kids are in the middle of it. Something bad will happen."

I didn't comment. Just listened.

ncgirl said...

"Police told ET that Kate was escorted out of the building after the incident."

Kate always did like a police escort.

Anonymous said...

At age 13, my son's dad and step-mom had a baby (little brother) and he wanted to move in with them. It was WAY before I expected and internally sent me reeling.

I had to mentally take myself out of the equation. This was about my son wanting to grow up with his little brother. I can't tell you the days and nights I laid on his bed and cried myself to sleep. I shut his bedroom door for months so I wouldn't be triggered.

Such a blessing to put your kids before yourself. I had the blessing of having my son AND his little brother every year the week before Christmas! His little brother (my extra-son) is in college now and we are close. I'm close with his step-mother and her family (she is now divorced from my ex - and they remain close).

Divorced families who can put their differences aside for their children - make more family and people who dearly love and help our children.

It breaks my heart to see the G kids - who have worked their entire lives - have so few people to trust and love.

Hoosier Girl

Sad but true said...

No wonder nick_moy is such a weirdo. He's living in the last decade. K8 must be so proud to have the firmly delusional in her corner.

pandapanda Police responded to the Reading Orthodontic Group, 1268 Penn Ave., shortly after 1 p.m. and escorted Kate Gosselin out of the office after she became disruptive during a dispute with her ex-husband.

pandapanda@kimmy_courageandhope The woman that refuses to work,lives in a million dollar home, because her kids pay for it, doesn't need child support according to the state of PA

nick_moy@pandapanda if I recall that incident correctly that idiot of a ex had his mistress staying with him at the house with the kids, and you call that a sensible and mature thing to do? And I believe it was only for the weekend.. Is he that desperate for sex? Or was it malisous of him just to spite Kate? Her ex has always shown to be lazy and useless.. he was happy with the money he was getting but he's not the man enough to show he can contribute to the household.. Kate made the extra money by having speaking engagement.. and all he ever does is whine like a little pig... now tell the whole goddamn story and NOT just the parts you like.

Sad but true said...

Anonymous said... 34

Hoosier Girl, what a lovely way for things to turn out. You ended up with two sons. I applaud your good sense and willingness to put your child first. And welcome back, nice to see you here.

Tucker's Mom said...

Anonymous said... 34
At age 13, my son's dad and step-mom had a baby (little brother) and he wanted to move in with them. It was WAY before I expected and internally sent me reeling.
^^^^
Great story, Hoosier Girl. We have so many amazing moms here.
Warms the heart ;-)

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

Kate always did like a police escort.

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I wonder if he was as cute as Vann and Jeff. Where was her bodyguard, er...rode manager through all of this? At home checking out the current price of bosoms?

Dmasy said...

Hoosier girl...hello. Good to see your name again. (I was born and raised in Indiana. We compared notes on location once.)

Welcome back with your good thoughts.

Sad but true said...

Total. Nutjob.

nick_moy@pandapanda And Are You old or rich enough to give a crap how rich she is and need child support or not... It's not that I am defending her, it's NONE of your friggin business how she choose to live her life.. as NO ONE has the right to tell YOU how you should live your life.. as the choices you make will determine the type of consequences YOU must live with.. NOT me or anyone else. She has 8 kids to guide through to adulthood, the best education any parent can provide, shelter, safety, she has to be mother and father, participate in the kids after school activities, maintain the house, pay all the bills, like food, clothing, utility bills, cook meals, clean the house, dishes etc.. It's commendable that Kate can accomplish what she has done.. and if you have any plans to be a strong, independent adult and don't need to DEPEND on a MAN or what ever to SUPPORT you, you should take heed on how Kate's determination made her strong and successful... Also just note.. Martha Stewart and JK Rowling became filthy rich, strong and independent after they divorced their husbands..

nick_moy@pandapanda So what's wrong with living in a million dollar house.. I live in a 5 million dollar house, with 5 bedrooms and parking for 11 cars, smack in the middle of the city centre... I worked hard for it.. when will you start building your own life and stop trying to year down others.

I wonder how parking for 11 cars is relevant to this conversation.

Terri said...

On Jon's facebook he posted this #savethegosselinkids. Things are getting very interesting.

Blame All the Way Around said...

If I am understanding the story, pieced together from multiple tabloid reports, we are to believe that the police stood by and watched a mother get in a physical altercation with her daughter and a father encouraged the daughter to "hang on and fight" in direct contradiction to a police order saying the mother could take the child. Assuming this story is accurate, and that's a BIG assumption, EVERY adult in this scenario failed the child. Are we really to believe that after a 3-hour stand-off and a clearly volatile family dynamic, that police would tell Kate to physically remove her daughter from the car rather than remove the child themselves, give everyone time to cool down and then escort her to her mother's car since it had been determined that she belonged in her mother's custody? My take aways, IF the story is accurate:

1) Kate should not have had a physical confrontation with her child.

2) Jon should not have egged Hannah on.

3) The cops should not have stood idly by and watched the scene play out.

A giant WTF to every adult present if this really played out the way it's being portrayed.

Jillygee said...

Omg. That nick moy is crazy ! Lol this is going to send her/him off the deep end

Formerly Duped said...

Blame All the Way Around said... 42
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I agree that Jon should not let Hannah be mauled by Kate but ask the police to help his child. A 3 hour altercation? I could not watch my child in terror and the siblings witness such a horrible situation. Kate was assaulting Hannah by obstructing physically the decision of the police who told Hannah she could choose to go with Jon. (If I have this all correct- it's a confusing 3-part battle)

handinhand said...

'If Jon thinks he can swoop in and take over after being so irregular for several years, well, Kate is not going to let that happen without a fight,” our source adds.'


http://hollywoodlife.com/2017/08/23/kate-gosselin-heart-rocked-custody-battle-jon-fight/

Lanc Native said...

2) Jon should not have egged Hannah on.

))))))))))))))

From what I am hearing in the local community, there was no egging being done by Jon and he has not been "irregular" for several years.

ncgirl said...

"http://hollywoodlife.com/2017/08/23/kate-gosselin-heart-rocked-custody-battle-jon-fight/"

That article was Pro Kate. Was the source Jamie or Steve?

Dmasy said...

Does Kate know that nick_moy lives in a 5 million dollar house and he might have 11 cars? She just might be interested...

GollyGee said...

Terri said... 41
On Jon's facebook he posted this #savethegosselinkids. Things are getting very interesting.

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Looks like Jon and Hannah got a chance to sit down and talk.

Jon should of started the #savethegosselin kids when all 8 did not come down the driveway the first time he had visitation.

Can we add that the judge also failed Hannah? A big you know what to him or her! I hope they get some kind of reprimand or sanction.

This is just so crazy. Almost everywhere you go all you hear is people talking about HER. How immensely embarrassing for the kids.

They and Jon have been through hell.

It's escalating, coming to a head and it will be bad.

I hope and I am going to lift those kids and Jon up in prayer really hard tonight that it won't.

Blame All the Way Around said...

Lanc Native said... 46
2) Jon should not have egged Hannah on.

))))))))))))))

From what I am hearing in the local community, there was no egging being done by Jon and he has not been "irregular" for several years.
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As I stated very clearly in my post, my comment was based on the tabloid stories. I consider telling the child to "hang on and fight" to be egging her on, IF in fact that is what happened. I added the if"qualifier multiple times in my post.

The only people who really know what happened other people who were present. Local gossip is not necessarily any more accurate than tabloid goss

capecodmama said...

Hoosier Girl...Well done! I'm sure your son appreciated it greatly. And you got another son in the deal! Nice. And this is what happens when you love your child more than you hate your ex.

Localyocul said...

He's commenting on FB

Jennifer Fuehrer-Hackman I called the cops cuz it was my custody and she denied me my daughter

Tucker's Mom said...

“Kate [Gosselin]‘s heart gets rocked whenever she hears that her children prefer to be with their father over her. Kate has been the ever present, dutiful good parent for years, while Jon [Gosselin] has been an unstable, inconsistent father providing little to no structure to their large family,” a source close to the Gosselins tells HollywoodLife.com EXCLUSIVELY.
“Kate feels floored now that Jon has finally created some stability in his life. And now, he feels he can come in and take over with shared custody. It is not fair to Kate and she feels it is not healthy for the children, who have a very regular routine with their mother. She has the children on a regular schedule, is the disciplinarian and has given the kids everything Jon hasn’t. If Jon thinks he can swoop in and take over after being so irregular for several years, well, Kate is not going to let that happen without a fight,” our source adds.

http://hollywoodlife.com/2017/08/23/kate-gosselin-heart-rocked-custody-battle-jon-fight/

Sad but true said...

OMG, this is some bullshit.

“Kate [Gosselin]‘s heart gets rocked whenever she hears that her children prefer to be with their father over her. Kate has been the ever present, dutiful good parent for years, while Jon [Gosselin] has been an unstable, inconsistent father providing little to no structure to their large family,” a source close to the Gosselins tells HollywoodLife.com EXCLUSIVELY."

We ALL know just how often she left town to do whatever she was doing AND how long there were full-time nannies in the house. Who do they think they're selling this story to? Her "heart gets rocked"? Did TLC write this story for her?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


'If Jon thinks he can swoop in and take over after being so irregular for several years, well, Kate is not going to let that happen without a fight,” our source adds.'

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How about Kate does what is in her children's best interest for once, which may very well be more time with Jon, and not worry about who has amassed the most points? It's not a dispute over an old family heirloom. These are PEOPLE.

Tucker's Mom said...

Terri said... 41
On Jon's facebook he posted this #savethegosselinkids. Things are getting very interesting.
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Lots of comments on Jon's FB post.

Jane said...

It looks like Jon replied to one comment on his Facebook page.

https://www.facebook.com/therealjongosselin/

I do hope that will be the last comment he makes.

Sad but true said...

Formerly Duped said... 44
Blame All the Way Around said... 42
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I agree that Jon should not let Hannah be mauled by Kate but ask the police to help his child. A 3 hour altercation?
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I honestly don't think police stood by and watched this for 3 hours. They must have been called by either Jon or Kate well into that period of time. We have no idea whether any of the other kids were there. Says a lot for K8's "hectic" life that with six other kids to take care of, she found the time to spend 3 hours on the side of a highway pitching a fit.

And I don't believe anything "rocks" this woman's heart more than her bank balance. She must be terrified of what else may now come out.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Good for him calling the cops. She will continue to deny him his daughter until he does so. Sorry for the kids, but it has to be done with parental alienators.

Why, if a family law order needs some clarifying, does Kate assume custody should default to her? Tool.

Layla said...

Admin,
If the police did not call the judge, then I wonder if Kate had them call her lawyer. Her lawyer might have made that threat about foster care to scare Hannah into going with her mom, but it backfired when she chose foster care. If her lawyer instructed Kate to physically remove Hannah, then the lawyer was complicit in physically harming H. We don't know for sure who was called, but I was flabbergasted at the thought that a judge would instruct Kate to force H to go after giving H the option of going to foster care.

The hashtag Jon tweeted said Gosselin kids. Plural. There may be more kids who want out other than H. This could blow the lid off Kate's carefully orchestrated lifestyle. Kate may lose complete control over the kids' trusts. She may have to answer questions about how their money has been spent. And what is she going to do without the kids supporting her financially? She would have to shoulder that burden herself and we know she won't get a normal job. Her world could come crashing down around her. Of course, it will all be Jon's fault. If she could just banish him like she did everyone else, then some of the kids wouldn't want to be with him.

Sue said...

nick_moy@pandapanda So what's wrong with living in a million dollar house.. I live in a 5 million dollar house, with 5 bedrooms and parking for 11 cars, smack in the middle of the city centre... I worked hard for it.. when will you start building your own life and stop trying to year down others.

Wow! #Marieholeintheheartbordercollie really is having delusions of grandeur.

Layla said...

Sue (61)
Marie has spun some real whoppers in her day, hasn't she? Brad Pitt lived in her basement, she blew a big hole in her heart (How does one "blow" a hole in one's heart, anyway?), her blood pressure was like a billion over a million, and now she lives in a 5 million dollar house. She has no idea how ridiculous she is, but I will say--she's entertaining.

I wonder if Kate will take the money for the upcoming court battle out of the kids' trust. After all, it's for H's "health and welfare". I'm sure she sees it that way.

Ingrid said...

After being so physical with H, it makes me think even more that the doctors etc recommended C be sent away because he wasn't safe with Kate!!

Localyocul said...


Sue said... 61
nick_moy@pandapanda So what's wrong with living in a million dollar house.. I live in a 5 million dollar house, with 5 bedrooms and parking for 11 cars, smack in the middle of the city centre... I worked hard for it.. when will you start building your own life and stop trying to year down others.

Wow! #Marieholeintheheartbordercollie really is having delusions of grandeur.

..,.

I was thinking the same thing. That's totally Marie/bcollie whoever 😂

Sad but true said...

Layla said... 62

I wonder if Kate will take the money for the upcoming court battle out of the kids' trust. After all, it's for H's "health and welfare". I'm sure she sees it that way.
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I truly believe money is at the root of all of this. And I have no doubt that the various legal actions she has undertaken in the past have been put squarely in the "kids' health and welfare" column on the master spreadsheet. If it gets to a point where she has to start accounting for the children's income/expenses, her goose will be cooked. I don't believe that any of "her" money has been used for the children's upkeep since the divorce. Unlike Jon, who at least covers their expenses when they're with him. If she doesn't start trying to co-parent soon, the risks to her far outweigh what might happen to Jon.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Hoosier Girl (#34), your story brought tears to my eyes. You gave your son a tremendous gift, at a great personal sacrifice, and now you're reaping the rewards. Blessings to all of you.

A big thanks to Admin, the pool girls, cabana boys, and valets (hey, Nick Moy's got 11 parking spots -- go over to his place if there's any overflow!) for your hard work today keeping up with our chatter.

Lanc Native said...

Local gossip is not necessarily any more accurate than tabloid goss

((((((((((((

Ah. I stand corrected. I clearly misunderstood.

IF Jon said to "hang on and fight" (we don't know that those were his words) he was telling her to stand her ground. If some think there were eggs involved, then so be it.

If we pick a piece here, some bits there from the tabloids and unnamed sources, take things out of context, use words that were never said nor implied, you have the classic game of "Whisper Down The "Lane."

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Obviously the person who acted as TFW's spokesperson in that article has never met her, since he/she claims to know her heart. And we all know she hasn't got one.

Fleecing The Sheeple said...


I was thinking the same thing. That's totally Marie/bcollie whoever 😂

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Several of those 11 parking spaces have been designated exclusively for Brad's use when he comes to visit his former landlord (or is it landlady?).

Why eleven? That would drive Monk or any OCD person nuts. Make it an even twelve.

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

Can we add that the judge also failed Hannah? A big you know what to him or her! I hope they get some kind of reprimand or sanction.

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Huh? Who should be sanctioned?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

"She wanted to go home with her dad. Mrs. Gosselin didn't like that and she got loud, so we asked her to leave."

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Thank you, officer, for doing your job and DEALING with a family law situation. And it sounds like they did exactly what they should. A parent was being inappropriate by escalating, so they requested she leave. Thank you.

Blue lives matter.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Wouldn't it be something if H was the one who shut down this whole thing? Remember how TFW described her during the opening credits?
"H is the leader, and Mommy's helper."

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No doubt about it she had marked Hannah as her golden child for years. But, there was a clear shift in recent years, where the golden child shifted decidedly to Mady.

I couldn't quite figure it out, but it's becoming clearer why that happened.

Simply put, Hannah has always shown great affection for Jon. Some girls are really Daddy's girls. There are numerous old pap photos showing Hannah with her arms wrapped around Jon's waist, bolting to him off the bus, melting into a big hug from him. She adores him, and it's no surprise once she developed a mind of her own, she decided that she would like to see him just as much as she sees her mother, and that this full custody crap from Kate is just that, CRAP. In short, she had a fleecing.

The only thing that changed here is the kids found grew minds of their own. We warned Kate it would happen.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

If her lawyer instructed Kate to physically remove Hannah, then the lawyer was complicit in physically harming H.


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Well, if it's any lawyer worth their salt, they would have told Kate to take a deep breath, calm down, go home and call me in the morning. We will get a court date as soon as possible and deal with it in front of the judge like rational reasonable people.

The last thing you need is shit like this going down pending a big trial. It does NOT look good on Kate that Jon was forced to call the cops on her. Not at ALL. Big mistake. Huge.

Jamesvader1194 said...

@Layla Maybe Nick could send some of that money he has to pay for Kate's case? LMAO im sorry but who would believe in such BS?If Nick really is that successful why does he waste so much time defending Kate?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

2) Jon should not have egged Hannah on.

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Well we don't know what was said to her, but, I don't see encouraging a child to insist on what she knows she wants and is best for her to be "egging them on."

She is old enough to have a say, and she is old enough to be told her voice matters and should be HEARD. These kids have been pushed around and stomped on for years, and the lack of respect Kate has shown for their wishes and desires, emotions, bonds with others (not just Jon, but Jodi, Beth, etc.), has been outrageous. And, was bound to backfire. Ironic thing about all of this is that the tighter she pulls those reins trying to hang on, the more likely they are to break. I'm sure half of this rebellion has everything to do with the kid simply being sick of Kate controlling her destiny in a way the kid is starting to realize is NOT RIGHT (Hannah has always been an early bloomer, and I'm not surprised she was the first to develop the emotional intelligence to have it dawn on her this is FUBAR).

A child should not be running the show, but neither should they have absolutely no say at all. Either extreme in a custody battle is terribly damaging to children. Someone else said it best, get these kids a damn minors counsel/guardian ad litem, NOW. ALL OF THEM.

Jamesvader1194 said...

We all know Mady is now Kate's golden child atm.Its weird though because i've felt Hannah would of turned out like mini Mady considering Kate's favoritism for her but thank God i was 100% wrong.I hope if there is a court date that Jon could maybe found out Collin's whereabouts and hopefully repair the relationships with the kids he doesn't see but we'll wait and see.

NJGal51 said...

LOL! I was catching up on comments and only half reading while watching Celebrity Worst Chefs and read your comment "Blue lives matter" (@71 above and yes I agree) as Burle Ives matters. I guess it's probably time for me to head off to bed.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...



“Kate [Gosselin]‘s heart gets rocked whenever she hears that her children prefer to be with their father over her. Kate has been the ever present, dutiful good parent for years, while Jon [Gosselin] has been an unstable, inconsistent father providing little to no structure to their large family,” a source close to the Gosselins tells HollywoodLife.com EXCLUSIVELY."

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Why is it a f-ing competition? Why can't Kate just accept sometimes the kids would prefer Jon? There are going to be times they prefer her, too. Even Jon explained when his parents divorced, there were times in his life he preferred his mom, and other times his dad--it's not personal, so to speak. Even kids of parents who are together go through this, preferring one parent or the other. I did. Of course it's tough when a kids preferences aren't what you want, but a mature parent sucks it up and is supportive anyway.

There is no evidence Jon does not provide "consistency and structure" for these children. Seems to me he has been incredibly consistent with giving them a normal life--free of cameras with him, out to eat at local places, attending local events, going on a summer vacation to the shore sans cameras, going to school and doing sports.

A film crew is not consistency and structure--it's chaos. And the unstable comment is just laughable at this point. I can't think of anything more unstable to put on your resume than "reality show star." No judge is going to deem him "unstable." Whatever lackey penned this crap doesn't have the foggiest notion the kind of instability we see in the court system. Jon looks like father of the year compared to many situations.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Shortly afterward, Jon Gosselin contacted Wyomissing police again to report that his ex-wife's friend, who is an attorney, arrived at the dental office and threatened him with legal action. That individual was not at the scene when police arrived.


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That is extremely unprofessional and even dangerous. You don't go out in the field threatening to file lawsuits. Plus, does she even represent Kate? I'm sure Kate's lawyer would be really pissed to know some other attorney is "handling" the situation. Buzz off!

I assume Jon still has that lawyer, so it's also very inappropriate and unethical to address him in your lawyer shoes knowing he has counsel. You are to speak to his counsel, not the party.

What a freaking mess. Nobody can say no to Kate and her cronies.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

nick_moy@pandapanda So what's wrong with living in a million dollar house.. I live in a 5 million dollar house, with 5 bedrooms and parking for 11 cars, smack in the middle of the city centre...


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Most mansions like that are not smack dab in the city "centre." Smack dab in our city center you find a homeless man peeing.

Interesting spelling, is she Canadian?

RoxyHelen said...

This is disgusting. I guess it's Kate's public move, in light of what's happening.

http://hollywoodlife.com/2017/08/23/kate-gosselin-heart-rocked-custody-battle-jon-fight/

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

“Kate feels floored now that Jon has finally created some stability in his life. And now, he feels he can come in and take over with shared custody. It is not fair to Kate and she feels it is not healthy for the children, who have a very regular routine with their mother.


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Routine, lol! They're not two years old with their bottles and nappies at 2p.m. every day. The routine excuse is just stupid. Seeing their father will be part of their routine, as will seeing their mother and going to school. A routine is important to a young child, but anyone with a 13 year old knows the routine gets upending ALL THE TIME by real life and kids are fine.

As for the comment it's to fair to Kate, when will she understand it's not about what's fair to her, or what's fair to Jon, or what's fair for fairness sake. It's about the best interest of the children and what's best for them. THEY didn't ask to grow up in a broken family, and priority is on THEM in family law cases.

Of course we know her tall tail about Jon being absent all this time is a bunch of bullshit. But even giving her every benefit of the doubt, wouldn't you be HAPPY for your children their father has become more engaged and participating? Can't you be HAPPY that Jon makes Hannah happy? How much research does their have to be about kids who don't have fathers or father figures and how poorly their outcomes are?

Remember, REMEMBER this is the woman who sent so far as to imply Jon was molesting Hannah, that's how much this is pissing her off. Maybe Hannah doesn't like hearing her dad accused of touching her, did Kate consider that?

There really isn't an unselfish bone in her body.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


I am that someone and I stand by my statement. I struggle to understand where you are coming from. To me, it sounds like : "Oh God, this woman is crazy and hurts my children. Yep, better not fight to see my children". Where is the logic in that?


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There is NO logic in it, yet apparently this is how a lot of people are psychologically wired. Not really taking it to its logical conclusion that you can't pop a balloon that's already popped.

But, I will say, people are right that when he does call the cops it's a big ole scene. You called that one. There's clearly no getting around it when it comes to Kate, you can't call the cops to assist with a peaceful exchange, not with this woman. Next she'll be cutting up his clothes and piling them outside. Betty Broderick reference but not too far off the mark.

I still think he should call the cops and continue to call the cops EVERY SINGLE TIME, but, I acknowledge she is going to make it a shitshow EVERY SINGLE TIME.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I think TLC actually saw the writing on the wall that this was really heating up to a boiling point between Hannah and Collin, and got out while they could with their Dear John letter a couple months ago. Smartest move they ever made.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

don't think the kids would have been more harmed by a handful of chaotic exchanges (Kate would have probably quit after losing a bunch of times and realizing she can't pull stunts like that) than the years of not seeing their father and being poisoned against him.

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I am also of the belief that the harm of not seeing Jon all this time is far worse than the harm of a few chaotic exchanges with police involved. The big mistake now is not calling the police earlier. Now when they come out, it may be far too late to fix things. They should have been called five years ago.

And she WOULD have stopped. Maybe not the first, second, third, fourth or fifth time, but it would stop. And the kids would be so young they'd barely really remember much of it.

For all we know a simply dialing of the local police and he might have split custody down the middle of all eight of them right now. Woulda coulda shoulda.

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