Monday, January 30, 2017

Recap: Kate Plus 8 "Puppies & Poconos": 'Now on TLCgo i.e. TLCno!'

Coming up on Kate Plus 8! They're taking a family vacation to Kellerman's! Oh wait, darn, it's just the Poconos.  Also, they get some puppies. What does this have to do with the Poconos, you ask? Well, they both begin with "P", so some producer somewhere thought it would be cute to lump the two story lines together.

Sometimes it's interesting to pause and read what you can find on the screen that isn't shown long enough to read at normal speeds. For the heck of it I pause on the clapperboard, which reveals that the Tup girls' couch interviews were filmed on 9-18-2016, which was a Sunday. Kate really is getting to the end of the line here when kids are going to cooperate with giving up even a portion of their weekend to doing work like this. I predict a lot of bribes will be necessary in her future.

Why is Kate yelling and clapping at her kids? Apparently she wants them to put their bags out by the van. Well, then ask them to do that in a normal tone like a normal person, what's with all the hollering? It's never more prevalent how much snipping and sniping she does to her kids. I've commented about it several times, and it just never lets up. The kids are going to resent it, and resent it very deeply, if they don't already. How awful to constantly have someone speaking to you in such a high-stress, negative tone. I couldn't stand it.

Mak and Nanuq are the puppies, and Kate's cradling one like a newborn. Ha, and he loves being babied as puppies, and even grown-up dogs often do. Aww, doggie babying. It's just so fun.



They just got the puppies so they decide to take them along on the trip. More yelling about diaper bags and getting in the car. They pile into the car and are ready to go when they suddenly realize they forgot to load the puppies. Ha, my parents did that to me once, when I was maybe two months old. They piled themselves and all my crap and all their crap in the car and nearly got a block down the road before realizing they didn't have me. They burned rubber getting back home to the baby. Apparently when they found me I was just quietly sitting in my carseat on the kitchen table contemplating what I would do with myself now that I was all alone in the world. I was fine. They laughed it off and still tell the story today. Instead of taking it in stride, Kate freaks out, doesn't see the humor in any of this, and yells and screams at the kids to go get the dogs. Good grief, it was just an honest mistake. Something got lost in the communication of who would load what into the car. With nine people it's bound to happen. At least you didn't arrive in the Poconos without the puppies you intended to take with you, now that's a problem! Interestingly enough, the boys are the only ones to explain how this happened. Hannah was supposed to be watching them and I guess she flaked. It's just one of dozens of examples of both the girls likely covering for each other, as well as Kate not pinning the blame on who was the real offender as long as she is one of the girls or has some kind of favored status.

They arrive at their spacious lake house rental. The puppies got car sick and have diarrhea, which Kate claims makes her feel bad. That's fine to have a little empathy, but at the same time, I really support bringing puppies along wherever you go if at all possible, even if they are young and getting sick (as long as it's safe to do so, like they have their shots). Not only is it an excellent opportunity for socialization to get them out of their comfort zone, but you can begin to get the pups used to traveling, which in my opinion is one of the most enjoyable things about having a dog, taking him along on your adventures large and small. The diarrhea and car sickness will mostly likely go away once the pups realize that traveling is the time of your life and nothing to fear.

Ha, does this count as a humble brag? The vast house, which has stone fireplaces and gorgeous hardwood flooring, has a difficult layout for Kate. I'm so sorry your vacation is hard.

Oh my god, the kids need to grow the F up already, especially the girls. They're immediately bickering over Kate's selection of bathrooms for them. For all the nagging Kate does, she so rarely corrects them over the major stuff, like frankly, being spoiled about the stupid bathrooms. It's like she can't issue spot when it comes to her kids. Do the girls have any idea that when most normal families take vacations you are very, very lucky to even have more than one bathroom to fight over? Try getting a family of four or five showered and ready for a busy day on vacation with just one Red Roof Inn shower and sink and the T.V. only gets four channels and the ice machine is out of order. It's no picnic. Another failing on Kate's part, not impressing upon them that nothing about most of their vacations is average or normal.

Once unloaded, they head to the lake, which looks just like pretty much every lake I ever camped at as a child. Classic East Coast summers. The kids play on rafts, paddle boards and with squirt guns. Shockingly, Kate remarks that she can't swim. But she has a pool at the house, and frequently takes the children on vacations that involve lakes, oceans and pools. Irresponsible and reckless, pure and simple.

Next up, some fishing from one of the docks. There's a brief shot of some guy in a red shirt and shorts who appears to be helping them fish, but they never explain who he is.

The next day, we begin with a sweeping shot of the house rental, and it's gigantic. It doesn't even fit in the frame. What an amazing vacation, and one that not a single one of these people seem to really appreciate.

Kate screaming and hollering at the kids, from inside, asking whether the puppies peed and pooped, really interferes with enjoying how absolutely adorable the pups are. Shut up, Doofus. If she really must know right then, why can't she walk outside and ask the children in a calm, normal volume tone whether the pups went potty? I don't understand it.

Next they head to Triple W Stable, where we will get to watch other people's kids ride horses. Lol, Kate, who clearly has no idea how to ride, is giving instructions to the kids about riding, like don't let go of the horn. That's what she said.

Great edit by TLC, where they cut to the riding instructor who tells them never hold the horn. This is a place where they hold the reins together with both hands. Heh, Leah and Hannah roll their eyes at each other. Kate, because she is an asshat and a terrible example to the children, proceeds to tell the instructor she will hold the horn. I'm at best an amateur horsewoman, I ride a handful of times a year and have ridden with my friend's cattle in Wyoming.  I have ridden at places where they want you to hold the reins together and move them left and right to steer the horse like how Triple W wants it, versus how I prefer to ride where you hold each rein separately (what the instructor calls "split reins") and sort of pull one side or the other back to steer. I do know because I tried it, if you try to steer split reins when the horse is used to the reins being together, or vice versa, the horse doesn't understand and won't respond correctly, can even get agitated. I can see the instructor getting a little more adamant as he firmly tells Kate you cannot hold the horn as that sends a message to the horse you're incapacitated. (And that, use your common sense, could be very bad.) Kate is probably too dumb and uninformed to realize this, but horses are extremely sensitive to a rider. How they sit, how they hold the reins, their level of confidence. Something as simple as threading the reins through your fingers correctly can make all the difference in the world to your control of the horse. So, when a riding instructor tells you to do something a certain specific way, and you think it's dumb or wonder how something so seemingly minor would make a difference, just f-ing do it the way he tells you. It's for your own damn safety, actually.

There's a lot of liability when you run a horseback riding place, and the last thing you need is a defiant customer. This guy is well within his rights to kick Kate off this ride right here and now and be done with her. The hilarity in all this is that Kate, in an attempt to try to help herself feel safer by holding onto something, is actually going to make her ride more dangerous. She's an idiot.

By the way, this is my first time trying out TLCgo, their streaming service. This episode mysteriously disappeared from my DVR so I found it on go. TLCgo is just like HBOgo, only HBOgo was here first. Hey, can they sue?



I have a major complaint I'd like to put in the comment box though, in that when you watch episodes on TLCgo and pause them, as I have to do a lot to write the recap, the video starts over when you press play again. You have to then manually pull the slider back over to where you last left off, if you can remember. What the hell, TLC! Less Duggars, more fix your streaming.

Nothing happens on the horseback ride, and pretty soon some of the kids are complaining and wanting to go back. The instructor just sort of sits there, listening to the whining. Kate soon allows half the group to go back, where apparently lunches are packed for them. I can't be the only one who finds this very rude. If you're going to quit halfway through the horseback ride, don't go in the first place. But I get Kate not wanting to pick her battles with this one. It's just not worth it. But I would have said from the beginning unless you're sticking out the whole ride don't go, we're not stopping in the middle for someone to take you back absent an emergency, as this is very rude to our instructors and the rest of the group.

Well, the children who left missed out on a beautiful view of a vast green meadow and spotting a baby deer. Their loss. Kate makes a comment similar to what she said last episode in that it's nice the kids are old enough at last to do these sort of things. Huh? The kids were old enough to ride horses at least six years ago, what in the world is she talking about? She really works hard to try to age them as slow as humanely possible. You would think they just got out of their pull-ups so now they can really take on the world without being bogged down having to carry around baby wipes.

Back at the house that doesn't even fit into the camera frame, they're not taking the puppies out enough, because one just peed in his pen. Kate passes him off on Aaden to walk. Well, it's too late to walk him now, isn't it? Kate complains they're like infants. Sort of. You do have to usually attend to them every hour with something, usually taking him out, much like it feels like you're constantly nursing a baby every hour those first couple months. I would say puppies are more like 2-year-olds, if I had to put a human age on them. In any case, doofus here is going to piss TLC's security deposit away at this rate, pun intended.

Kate has her typical freak out walking out onto the dock. It's one of those docks that is small and moves. I think they're floating docks, which explains the movement. Movement is thus normal, though unsettling if you're not expecting it. The kids think she's dramatic. Yes. One really has to wonder whether a lot of her water-related freak outs would improve if she just got herself some swimming lessons. Then at least you know you probably won't die if you slip off the dock. I don't know what kind of lessons could improve all her other freak outs, though.

Cara really is picking lint, I'm not making this up. A big piece of lint there!

Some of the kids, especially Alexis, are reluctant to get into the boats. When asked on the couch why they don't like boats, the girls say, not at all surprisingly, they don't like boats because they get sick and their mother forces them to get on anyway.

Their mother is cruel and hateful, period. Obviously their repeated nausea wasn't an anomaly or something they have outgrown now that they're older. The Tups are chronically seasick when they get on boats. With the dozens of other fun activities you could do at this place why force them? It's mean. Scientists think that seasickness and nausea actually stem from the brain, ears and eyes, not the stomach. I'm kind of curious if anyone has looked into whether preemies, who are often born with underdevelopment in those areas, are more likely to develop sea sickness as they grow older. It would be interesting to know, since all the Tups have it, yet the twins don't seem to at all.

Wow, Alexis is really refusing to go! She's sat down and crossed her legs on the dock like a regular sit in. Go Lex! This is really B.S. It's not like Alexis is refusing to go because she's a brat. She doesn't want to go because she pukes. I mean, anyone should understand that. Geez, can Kate cut her a break here? Have the nanny stay with her, or somebody? Finally Mady somehow persuades her to get in. The kids don't have much of a chance with both Kate and Mady bullying them into doing things like this. Hey, how come Kate is permitted to freak out and make a scene over anything under the sun that upsets her, but sweet Lexi here can't do the same when she actually has really good reason to? Surely the kids have noticed the hypocrisy.

Mr. Captain Man?? Can we punch this woman in the face now? Golly!

It's pouring rain and Mady says it's cold rain. How miserable, but production has a schedule to keep and tubing is today, so. The boys love tubing and make sure they get to go first. One of the boats has a fun slide that dumps you into the lake. They love it. Thankfully, Alexis is enjoying herself and not sick. I hope someone explained to the poor child that it's really unlikely she's going to get seasick the same way she does when they deep sea fish because this is an extremely calm, flat lake. That might have helped reassure her. Rather, they seemed to just be trying to bully her in it with threats that she was going to ruin everyone else's fun if she didn't get in and get in now. Poor little beaten down thing.

Another complaint about TLCgo, the commercials every ten minutes or so are at times absurdly long and they push their fat shows on you, and peddle the Duggars. I don't know how many times I've seen that Whitney chick panic over her not-a-pregnancy now, I can't get away from it even trying to avoid her at this point, too.

Cara picks more lint from her pant leg as Mady explains that Kate was dramatic when she went tubing with Joel. Joel is a good sport, just focusing on working his goPro and enjoying the ride despite his mother. And when I say tubing, it's not even really tubing. It looks way safer and more stable. It kind of reminds me of one of those circular life rafts for commercial fishing boats, with tall sides, only built for just two people. There's no chance you'll fall out unless you're an idiot who doesn't listen to instructors with vast expertise when they tell you to hold things a certain way and not the way you stubbornly would like to do it. Kate is grateful for parentified Joel, who comforted her on the ride.

The kids aren't the most articulate folks in the bunch, are they? "Fun" is about the extent of their description of that activity.

The next day, archery tag at Skytop Resort. A friend told her about it i.e. the producers set it up. This has to be hundreds of dollars to play, especially the way they've reserved the whole field just for them. This sounds like basically paint ball only with foam-tipped arrows. Looks deliciously fun. I'm sure Kate will spoil it somehow. "It's like Hunger Games!" Kate jokes to the teens, because she thinks she is also a teen and their BFF. Cara basically looks away at that, sort of like the looks the Obama girls had on their faces when their dad was making dumb turkey jokes at the turkey pardon, hehe, because what else can you do when your mother won't act her age.


The kids are five years old and can't figure out what the teams will be. Mercifully the instructor says either figure this out or he'll just do a count-off and pick them himself. I think I'm in love. So much whining and drama over something so simple, it's nice to see someone shut it down right away because Kate sure won't.

At the end of the day these teams end up being ridiculously unfair, with the twins and their friend Marley with Joel and Leah, who they observed doing some practice archery and determined are the best at it. We can bet Kate will suck, and that's only one older person with the rest of the tups who aren't as good at archery. What the heck! If I didn't mention it Collin is nowhere to be found and not even mentioned. It's truly like he never even existed. So, wouldn't it be much more fair to split up Joel and Leah if they were the best, or better yet, make them captains for a school yard pick? Instead, Mady gets to hand pick her entire team and Kate gets the leftovers. That is not fair. It's really a shame for everyone, because games are almost always more fun when teams are even. Why doesn't Mady have any empathy for how unfair this is to the other team? It's bizarre.

Notably, Hannah seems genuinely annoyed that she has to be on Kate's team, and snaps at Kate that no one wants to be on Kate's team. And you know what, that's normal at that age. You don't want to play this cool game with your mother. Sheesh. Why can't Kate be like every other mother and just watch?? And, if Kate watched, the numbers would be even. The way it is now, one team gets someone extra, which also isn't fair.

Not shockingly at all, Mady's team wins, to which even the usually affable Aaden bursts out how unfair the teams are.

Kate, who ultimately is bullied by and afraid of her own children, finds herself shut down by Mady when Kate suggests they mix the teams up for the next game. Kate, you are the parent, she is the child. You've become aware how unfair, and thus un-fun, these teams are. Mady's team is taking disturbing glee in absolutely killing Kate's team, and Kate's team is not having fun because they don't even have a chance. Be the adult and tell Mady, don't ask her, that the teams are going to be shuffled up for the next game. Pathetic.

In round two, Mady's team creams them again. Hannah actually seems close to tears. She's had it and walks off. I remember that feeling as a kid her age when some kind of competition or game was so unbelievably mis-matched and you were getting humiliated so unbelievably badly you just wanted to cry.  Like a shut out of your Middle School basketball team. It's just terrible. Unlike normal people who can remember stuff like that from their childhood, I don't think Kate can remember how she felt when that happened to her, or remember how much more deeply a twelve year old kid feels "unfair" and "losing." It's much easier for a mature adult to just shrug something like this off. To a kid, it's like the end of the world, and yet it's so simple to fix this problem by just mixing up the teams.

It's unclear whose idea this is, but mercifully they finally decide to mix up the teams for round three and draw names out of the hat. I still think schoolyard pick would be most fair, with the two best players as captains. Drawing from a hat has a good chance of creating unfair teams again by pure chance. But at least it's doing something to address the current cluster-F.

The new teams are Kate, Leah, Marley and Aaden, versus Mady, Cara, Alexis and Joel. That's better.

Kate's team finally wins! Sweet Aaden says I just wanted to win once. Aw. Wouldn't you know it, now that the teams are more fair the kids seem to be getting along better. The losing team is even high-fiving the winners. That's what a little help from reasonable adults will do in resolving stupid conflicts kids find themselves in and don't know how to get out of. Otherwise, Kate, it's Lord of the Flies, it really is. If kids didn't still need adults at this age, we'd set them free at 13 and be done with them.

Kate pats herself on the back for how much she loves teamwork and seeing them get along. No she doesn't. She loves conflict and divisiveness.

Rock climbing is up next, and paintball? And this is all on the same day! This is starting to get a little tiring just watching it, and feels intentional from production.  The more they cram into the day, the more stressed everyone will be, the more conflicts that will occur (see Hannah) the better footage they will get. See the glaring conflict of interest there? Production can't possibly be in charge of protecting children if their number one goal is good T.V.

Watch other people's kids rock climb. Then watch other people's kids play paintball.



There's some competition in the lint picking department. Alexis is slumped on the couch, getting bored talking about all this, picking lint off her pants. Heh.

Leah gloats, to Alexis of course, that she did not have nearly as much trouble rock climbing as Lex does. Kate remarks about how it's all about encouraging, not tearing people down, to which Leah gives her a gigantic eye roll. It's astounding how little respect the children have for her, and it's equally astounding how little control she has over how they treat their siblings. Frankly, as much as poor Lexi is picked on, I'm not sure Kate is capable of stopping it even if she wanted to. What a shocker, the authoritarian parenting style doesn't work after all in the end.

I feel like I've been binge watching Big Fat Fabulous Life just by watching the commercials on TLCgo. I know Whitney is I guess a lesbian now, and pregnant, but most likely not really, and also overall still a hot mess.

This episode is disintegrating into more like a really well-produced home video, with the cheap canned music in the background and no real plot, just some paintball and rock climbing. Almost like something you pay 80 bucks to the paintball place to produce for you and they send it to you a week later watch it once then throw it on the DVD shelves never to take out again.

You know what's kind of a head scratcher is they haven't done much activities that are at all suited for including your dog. No long hikes, no picnics, no relaxing by the lake and throwing a frisbee at the shore for the dogs. The pups don't even seem to be around most of the time. Who's watching the little puppies during all this people fun?

Ha, they flash back to the last time they went white water rafting on their trip out West and the instructor was "taunting" Kate. I vaguely remember that, and had to check my old recap to recall exactly what happened. A quick break to look at my recap from that episode, which reveals that Kate started it by disrespectfully talking back to their instructor, undermining him when he told the kids what they could do, ordering him not to get her wet, and shouting at him about how he should angle the boat straight (Actually, you don't necessarily always want to go down the river straight, certain positions of the rapids and other anomalies in the river mean sometimes you will steer the boat in other ways.) I think the one thing most glaring about this is that contrary to what Kate often says in that she's grown as a person over the years, she's actually the same exact nasty person she ever was. This time around, it was their riding instructor she was terribly rude to, outright defiant to the point of jeopardizing her and everyone else's safety, and tried to tell him about both his job and himself. Same shit, different year with this piece of work.

So, the truth is, the rafting instructor from the RV trip was pushing back a bit on Kate because she started it all, and was being a very rude and disrespectful customer, and was spoiling everyone else's fun. But yes, Kate, he taunted you just out of the blue, just to be cruel and make your experience terrible. Kind of like what you do to people so no surprise you see it in others. I leave you with his final line of the night: "We're gonna give out an Academy Award at the end of the day and I'm nominating you." Ha!

And, speaking of those awards, let me steer you in the direction of one of the probably unlikely winners, a dark horse. Hell or High Water. See it, cherish it, and understand why Manchester by the Sea is actually just manipulative Lifetime drivel and overrated as hell. I think Hell is going to gain some momentum this month.

Also, did I say Kate went white water rafting but insisted she not get wet.

The "Jesus rock" is cool, looks like you're walking on water because it's buried so close to the surface. But wait, what does Kate need a rock for?

I've noticed most of what Kate talks about when she blah-blahs about the activities is her. How she felt to do the activity, the stupid thoughts that went through her mind, her opinions and observations. Very little has anything to do with the children and perceiving and enjoying these activities through their lens like a normal mother would. There's something terribly wrong with her.

I will say this, what a beautiful glimpse of the wonders of Pennsylvania. The gorgeous, peaceful river, the bright green foliage, the vast forests, the good and patient people. What an opportunity this show has missed out on over the last decade to really embrace Pennsylvania and show why I fell in love with the state when I lived there for four years. They spend so much of their time elsewhere. A shame.

Kate can't resist making sure that everyone knows the other tour guide from freaking over five years ago was not fun and that she enjoyed rafting this time because this guide was fun. And by fun she means, puts up with her. Oh, I don't know, I thought her previous tour guide was a real riot. What did we tell you? Narcissists never move on, never let things go, remember the minute details of minor transgressions forever as if it were yesterday. I can't remember a darn thing about the handful of rafting trips I've been on other than they were great fun, but Kate recalls exactly how he crossed her by getting her wet and steering the boat a certain way and what's more wants to make sure she sticks it to him. Lol, as if he's watching this or cares. Might I say this again, five years later, folks.

Well this is telling, Mady remarks that dinner is usually chaotic and she prefers to go up to her room for that. Is she talking about on vacation, or generally? What the hell? That's not healthy at all. The puppies are attacking and biting the children to the point of tearing Joel's shirt, which is not funny or cute and sure as hell won't be funny or cute when they are adult dogs. They're eating absolute garbage for dinner, hot dogs, mac and cheese from the blue box, canned beans. The salt level must be heart attack levels here. Of course, that's fine on vacation especially, but why does Kate think she's so health conscious when they eat all this crap?

God, I leave this recap hating TLCgo. The commercials are five minutes long and pop up the second you even so much as think about touching that little slider. Curses. All in all, too much Poconos, not enough puppies. This was one of the worst episodes this season if not the worst one so far. Kate and the kids were as ungrateful as ever for the experience and somebody was always upset, hollering or complaining. There was just no plot at all, nothing developed no matter how hard they tried to stress out the kids, it was all about being tortured with another family's boring vacation which is the whole reason Betty White has stayed off Facebook in the first place.



I think this was one of the lowest rated ones too, if I remember right. Until next time when they take another once-in-a-lifetime vacation to Space Camp.

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Sad but true said...

I thought this one was blocked?

carijo42@gmoney19511950 I agree. Not enough food. Looks like they are having a Valentine's Day party and the help are about to put toothpicks into the morsels of food and serve hor d'oeuvres.

Dmasy said...

cc -- I see your comment. You are number 161.

I enjoy your posts.

Somewhere In Time said...


If she can't stand this blog, then why does she keep coming back?

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She's been posting here for some time, and going after admin in particular. I think what happened was that admin called her out on a few things, disagreed with her, and that didn't sit too well with her.

Rainbowsandunicorns said...


Nanny, nanny, boo boo
Their filming THEM, NOT YOU!

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Is it mutually exclusive? Because they are filming Jen and family, does that mean that Kate has gotten the ax?

Has Kate given any hints that they are coming back? I don't look at her IG.

jamesvader1194 said...

@Rainbowandunicorns NOPE!Not one hint from Kate and yet she has fans asking her when the show is coming back and she keeps ignoring them.Unless that one photo of her that had 8 kates and her comment about being a tv producer for TLC is a hint,there has been no teasing by Kate.

Tucker's Mom said...

Has Kate given any hints that they are coming back? I don't look at her IG.

*****
After the final episode of last season, Kate tweeted:
Kate Gosselin ‏@Kateplusmy8 Jan 10
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Thx every1 for watching! So fun! Thanks for your love&support for 10 yrs and counting! Love you! ❤️ Until next season....πŸ˜‰! @TLC #KatePlus8


So, who knows. I found it interesting that TLC would greenlight another season before this (very delayed and disconnected) season was over.
The season did not perform well, and Collin is still not home. How long can you film Kate Plus 8 when 1 is removed?
Kate was lucky to survive the loss of Jon from the show, but with the loss of a child? I don't know.
Further, where Collin is and what really happened to him is shrouded in mystery. I don't get how a child can be MIA for a year and no one presses for answers.

Nicky said...

So the podcast that I mentioned last week that will be interviewing Jon (Reality Life with Kate Casey) this weekend. She asked for some questions, and there was a little interaction between her and another listener:
Listener: "Is there anything you can't ask him about Kate?"
Kate Casey: "I don't think so"
Listener: "do you have to pay him for the interview?"
Kate Casey: "No. His publicist asked if it would be paid. I said no. I followed up with Jon and told him. He said he didn't care and was excited about the interview."

Should be interesting. She usually releases her podcasts on Fridays, so should probably be up next Friday.

TLC stinks said...

That "until next season" with a wink was wishful thinking to TLC. I think it's a yearly deal with them and she did not have a clue about another season at the time she made that tweet.

TLC stinks said...

Picture posted of her favorite dog.

kateplusmy8I know. I know. I'm so pretty! Now just give me that treat in your hand already... #Nanuq #SableKingShepherd #AlmostTenMonthsOld #PhotoCreditGoesToMady

FlimsyFlamsy said...

TLC stinks (#9), has Gladys tweeted lately?
Surely she has some saccharine comment about what a beauty the Nookster is, just like her stunning, fit, and fabulous mommy.
#SableSweetie#PerfectPicbyMady#CWho?

FlimsyFlamsy said...

So soon TFW will have 3 full-grown shepherds in her house? I wouldn't be surprised if MaxyWaxy's days are numbered. Now that TFW figured out she can thin the herd of her kids without consequence, dumping a dog would be a piece of cake.

Sheepless In Seattle said...

TLC stinks (#9), has Gladys tweeted lately?
Surely she has some saccharine comment about what a beauty the Nookster is, just like her stunning, fit, and fabulous mommy.
#SableSweetie#PerfectPicbyMady#CWho?

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Yeah, but can the Pookster rock those Daisy Dukes and red hooker heels?

Sheepless In Seattle said...

Thx every1 for watching! So fun! Thanks for your love&support for 10 yrs and counting! Love you! ❤️ Until next season....πŸ˜‰! @TLC #KatePlus8

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So she mentioned next season? Interesting. It does sound, then, like they will be filming, but with Kate, who knows what is the truth?

Sheepless In Seattle said...

I missed some things. Who got banged with the banned gavel, and why? Admin hasn't swiffered for some time, at least not that we know of.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Nicky (#7), thanks for the update about the podcast. You mean Jon didn't demand a paycheck, plus whole grain bread without visible grains?

TLC stinks said...

Of course Milo responded.

miloandjack2016No question she is a gorgeous girl! Worthy of a #CalendarPhotoShoot. πŸ˜‹ @kateplusmy8

NJGal51 said...

Someone asked TFW if that was a bowooden box of toys in the picture and TFW replied: "Yes! I purposely got her a raw wood box (on clearance lol) bc I knew she'd chew it! Mark has a metal basket to prevent chewing!"

So the favored girl dog is allowed to chew but the boy dog isn't. Reminds me of how she treats the kids. She just can't help herself can she!

Tucker's Mom said...

. Now that TFW figured out she can thin the herd of her kids without consequence, dumping a dog would be a piece of cake.
*****
Oh, done and done ;-)

NJGal51 said...

"Bowooden box" = wooden box.

Tucker's Mom said...

FlimsyFlamsy said... 15
Nicky (#7), thanks for the update about the podcast. You mean Jon didn't demand a paycheck, plus whole grain bread without visible grains?
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Ah, no but he did demand a driver to take him there. Poor thing shouldn't be expected to traverse the county all alone.

Nicky said...

Tucker's Mom said... 20
FlimsyFlamsy said... 15
Nicky (#7), thanks for the update about the podcast. You mean Jon didn't demand a paycheck, plus whole grain bread without visible grains?
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Ah, no but he did demand a driver to take him there. Poor thing shouldn't be expected to traverse the county all alone.
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I'm sure he will have to dine on Kobe beef, or maybe demand Nobulus afterwards!

GollyGee said...

Don't forget the organic pulp-free orange juice to wash down the whole wheat (with no visable grains) toast with Kerrygold butter.

Sheepless In Seattle said...

So soon TFW will have 3 full-grown shepherds in her house?

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Someone has to take care of the Sheep. Is one of them named Milo?

CC said...

Dmasy,

THANK YOU.

As for my comment that I was referring to it was after 181 when Admin banned someone. She replied in 190, but my comment should be somewhere between 182 and 189. Oh well. But thanks anyway Dmasy. :)

Sherry Baby said...

@Rainbowandunicorns NOPE!Not one hint from Kate and yet she has fans asking her when the show is coming back and she keeps ignoring them.

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It seems like #until next season...would be somewhat of a hint, wouldn't it? Sigh.

Sherry Baby said...

Don't forget the organic pulp-free orange juice to wash down the whole wheat (with no visable grains) toast with Kerrygold butter.

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Did someone have a phobia about seeing grain? I know that hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia is the fear of long words, but does the fear of grains have a name, and are there therapy groups for that?

Jeanne said...

Can you even tell the difference between a grown Maks and Shoka? She only needs one and the same picture can have either name attached. Shoka can go to "college."

TLC stinks said...

I do not understand the logic...it's ok for the dog to chew on a wooden box? So the dog then thinks, must be ok to chew on the nice chair leg.

Looks like the dog, from that photo, is penned up with a baby gate. I guess she and her brother outgrew their crates. I don't understand. If you are home, set them free to roam in the house. It so clear she's not really a dog person.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

TLC stinks (#28), Miss Mixed Messages strikes again. Don't chew the furniture, but go ahead and chow down on your crate. Ignore the big, bad p-people, kids, but smile pretty for the People Magazine cameras.

Tucker's Mom said...

I also don't get this "raw wood" box. I see an unfinished wood box for the dog toys, but what's the deal about "raw" wood?
I've never had a dog chew on the toy baskets we've had around for years, and if I did see them chew on the toy basket, I'd correct the behavior.
I don't get what that's all about.
Our bichon very briefly chewed on our kitchen table and chair legs, but that was easily corrected and there is zero chewing on any wood with him now.
We have gates up in our house, just to keep some areas clean, to sequester them downstairs when needed, and to keep them out of the kitchen if there's food our Lab can reach. She's not 100% trained to not counter surf.

We keep the gates up, but only close them as needed.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Tucker's Mom (#30), why did you correct your dogs' behavior? Couldn't you let
them work it out for themselves? And then just smack them silly when they repeated the behavior you didn't bother to correct?
Look at how well that worked for TFW!
Sure, she had to send one of her kids off
to college before his 12th birthday, but there are plenty of others left to rave about her heart-shaped delights! #7IsEnough#CWho?

Jillygee said...

The Irwin boy was on the Tonight Show last night, big gala in LA in May -will TFW get an invite ?

http://www.someecards.com/entertainment/celebrities/crocodile-hunter-son-robert-steve-irwin-jimmy-fallon/

localyocul said...

Jon is doing an Instagram live video right now with Hannah. She's learning his DJ music stuff. Luckily he seems to have the clean version on because there's a lot of blanks

localyocul said...

Leah just showed up in the room

localyocul said...

And Joel is there...he's still going

Anonymous said...

The usual 4 are there with Jon right now.

-LA

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

There's such a glaring difference between Robert and the Gosselin children. This kid is only a year older than the sextuplets.

He's such a natural with the cameras. So charismatic, fun, and engaging. He's witty, enthusiastic, descriptive, and interesting. He has what it takes to be on TV. But, it's not in a 7th Heaven Shirley Temple sort of way that gets grating.

In contrast we have the Gosselin kids picking lint on the couch, rarely saying anything very interesting or funny, and the extent of their adjectives to describe their experiences stops at "fun." They aren't made for TV, that's the plain facts. And most kids aren't, most kids don't have what it takes--and there's nothing wrong with that. But when it's become crystal clear after all these years these kids just don't have the charisma, at a certain point a normal mother starts to get embarrassed to keep making them put on the cow suit and trot out there to sing Moo Cow with Dainty June and her farm boys.

Robert Irwin reminds me of a young Prince Harry. What a heartbreaker!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Sounds like Jon is getting their very long weekend, as is fair. Now let's see if Kate pretends she has all the kids.

GollyGee said...

Does anyone have a link to the video of Jon and the kids?

Tucker's Mom said...

Robert Irwin reminds me of a young Prince Harry. What a heartbreaker!
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YES! Harry and of course, his Dad. It's like he's channeling Steve.
Robert and Bindi are both beyond their years and it's obvious they are poised and very charismatic.
I certainly am a critic of exposing kids to the public, but the Irwin children's exposure and travel truly has made them worldly and you can see it in how they are able to comport themselves and communicate.
Kate and her kids? You'd literally never guess they traveled beyond PA.
I think you have to do much more than schlepp kids on airplanes and plop them down on their marks to hope that all that travel enhances their development.
You have to be very hands on all the time and in between, not just meeting their basic needs, but challenging them and interacting with them and allowing them freedom to grow beyond your grasp.

Tucker's Mom said...

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 38
Sounds like Jon is getting their very long weekend, as is fair. Now let's see if Kate pretends she has all the kids.
February 17, 2017 at 8:19 AM
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Something has happened with the obvious more equitable split in vacation and holiday time with Jon and the kids. I think Kate used to tell Jon to shove it whenever she damn well pleased.
Apparently, no so anymore.

Anonymous said...

GollyGee,

Unless someone recorded it using another device, you can't exactly save live videos on IG. You can notifications that tell you when someone you follow has gone live but ultimately it's just a right place right time kind of thing.

-LA

Tucker's Mom said...

I hope the "usual 4" all looked happy with Jon on the IG stream. We're going to have a lovely weekend, so I hope they have something fun planned.

Blowing In The Wind said...

As for my comment that I was referring to it was after 181 when Admin banned someone. She replied in 190, but my comment should be somewhere between 182 and 189. Oh well. But thanks anyway Dmasy. :)

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I am confused, as always. Who was banned and why? Is (was) SB the regular troll here, and is this who was banned?

Jillygee said...

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s just don't have the charisma, at a certain point a normal mother starts to get embarrassed to keep making them put on the cow suit and trot out there to sing Moo Cow with Dainty June and her farm boys.

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Omg !!! Laughing so hard at this. πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

GollyGee said...

Thank you Anon (42) LA for the info.

I checked his IG and it wasn't there.

localyocul said...

Instagram live videos disappear as soon as recording stops. The kids seemed to be having a good time. I didn't watch the whole thing but I saw the two girls then when I checked again I saw Joel. Not sure if anyone else was there.

RoxyHelen said...

I just saw some clips of Robert Irwin(Steve's son) now 13, on YT. He was on Jimmy Fallon's show. I'm sorry but I cringe so hard when I hear him and his sister talk. I can't get out of my head the idea that they are both just mimicking their father. I just don't think it's healthy. I feel like a lot of pressure was put on these children, over the years and it may not end well for them. They simply sound fake, so so fake.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrVfuDx4ET8

Abby said...

Someone on Instagram asked Kate if her dog ate her bird! Lol!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I do have very serious concerns for how both the Irwin kids have been raised in the spotlight. I remember even Australian lawmaker were raising concerns.

I think the danger comes in when if either one of them wake up one day and wonder if they really want to do this. Then, we're getting into serious issues of resentment for their childhoods being squandered. Thus far, I don't think that's happened. I think they both believe with all their hearts they are here to education in a very public way about wildlife and continue their father's legacy. They may end up believing that until their dying days.

I think this really is a very rare, rare, case where exploiting a child in sometimes very extreme ways won't end up hurting the child because turns out, they actually do sincerely love doing this. But, why take the risk? That isn't going to be the case with the Gosselin kids, many of them are clearly resisting adopting a public persona and lifestyle, resisting putting on a show. Some REALLY resisting, like Cara. Only Mady really seems to play to the cameras, but she lacks what Robert has, sparkle.

Bottom line, the fact that the Irwin kids may end up being BETTER off for being exploited, doesn't make exploiting kids okay. It's just one of those weird anomalies in this complex world of child stars.

Layla said...

I took a (belated, sorry!) look at the Valentine's Day dinner, and what struck me was that most of it was empty carbs. The waffles, English muffins, whipped cream--no nutritional value. The only protein was about a tablespoon of egg and a teeny-tiny piece of sausage. And as for fruits/veggies there was maybe one sliced strawberry per plate.

We've noticed the same with other meal pics she has posted--remember the BLTs that were two huge slices of bread with one slice of turkey bacon? This is a family that has to have a whole lobster for each child, just to sample and see if they like it. She claims she's so passionate about nutrition, but it looks like she's only that way when it comes to her own food, or when TLC is paying.

Layla said...

On Valentine's Day, there were only 4 plates pictured. Now we see that Jon has the usual 4 on Friday (does anyone know if the kids have school today?). And the IG Live was very early in the morning, so they must have spent the night. That makes me wonder how long they have been with him. Maybe he is getting longer visits with them.

Tucker's Mom said...

Agree that Robert Irwin acts very affected, almost as if he's been raised watching his father's tv shows all the time.
I thought the same of Bindi, but on DWTS, she seemed much more herself and not like she was hosting her father's show.

Ingrid said...

RoxyHelen said... 48 so so fake.

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I agree. I couldn't stomach Steve's over the top personality either. I think it is an act, kids and Steve.

JoyinVirginia said...

Howdy everyone! Dd told me that Robert Irwin was on Jimmy Fallon last night, and I just watched the interview. Wow! A young man who has an interest and enthusiasm and knowledge about animals! I know kids who are just as enthusiastic and personable when talking about a topic they really like. Steve Irwin reminded me of my father, he was enthusiastic and talkative and never met a stranger. And Robert reminds me of his father, and of my dad too.

Jeanne said...

Charisma is important. But you can develop a stage personality. I think the problem with the Gosselin kids is the constant contradiction. Kate is constantly telling them not to tell anyone about their lives. All their friends have to have an NDA. Then BOOM there's a camera and they're supposed to talk about their experiences. What is ok to tell? What is ok not to tell? Saying it was "fun" is safe and unlikely to result in punishment. Combined with Kate trying to keep them too young, the kids are doing the best they can.

localyocul said...

JoyinVirginia said... 55
Howdy everyone! Dd told me that Robert Irwin was on Jimmy Fallon last night, and I just watched the interview. Wow! A young man who has an interest and enthusiasm and knowledge about animals! I know kids who are just as enthusiastic and personable when talking about a topic they really like. Steve Irwin reminded me of my father, he was enthusiastic and talkative and never met a stranger. And Robert reminds me of his father, and of my dad too.

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I agree with you I think he was great! Very charming and polite

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Jeanne (#56), that was a really insightful comment. You're right...how are the kids supposed to know when it's okay for them to share? And how much? They seem to get attention when they rib Mommy, so maybe they stay with that "storyline." Mentioning Daddy is probably off limits, unless you complain about Old Daddy vs. New Daddy.

GollyGee, this one's for you. Jeanne's comment reminded me of the Andy Griffith Show pilot when Opie wants to object to his former housekeeper getting married during the ceremony, but his dad desperately tries to keep him quiet. And Opie complains about grownups' mixed messages and says something like, first they tell you to speak up, and then they tell you to hesh up!

PA Dutch Mom said...

Layla (52)...No school yesterday, today or Monday. Long holiday weekend. They go back on Tuesday.

Dmasy said...

Jeanne -- I thought your comment (56) was full of insight. I had never thought of what must be a constant contradiction in their lives.

I watch Master Chef Junior. Those are children from 8 - 13 with passion and personality. They are quite eagerly a part of the cooking competition. I have always wondered how they filter out the youngsters who could not handle rejection and disappointment. Obviously, the producers do something to insure that only kids who seem able to handle disappointment are chosen. They are so sweet in their support of each other.

There are many interviews that show charming kids who are responsive and full of charisma And, let's not forget to mention amazing talent.

They seem to be experiencing an opportunity of a young lifetime and enjoying themselves. The show brings out a surprising playfulness in the usually "foul" Gordon Ramsey.

Dmasy said...

Never try to do two things as the same time -- you won't do either well. Sorry for the poor punctuation (and other confusions) in my previous comment.

Tucker's Mom said...

Dmasy said... 60
Jeanne -- I thought your comment (56) was full of insight. I had never thought of what must be a constant contradiction in their lives.
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I remember, way back when, J+K sitting on the couch and Kate saying how they tell their kids to respond to inquiries about filming:
"We don't talk about that, thank you".
Paraphrasing here, but essentially, I was gobsmacked to hear Kate actually say that she's groomed the kids to conceal their filming lives.
Which, by her own words, WAS their lives.
Nothing short of brainwashing.

What kids goes to school and can't talk about their weekends, holidays and summer vacations?

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Tucker's Mom (#62), how are these kids going to navigate adult relationships, after having received so many mixed messages during childhood? I remember when someone had sent the twins shirts for their birthday (was it Em Tanner?), and TFW said something like, you need to be grateful that people love you who don't even know you. HUH?

Boundaries, communication, self esteem, intimacy -- I predict issues in any or all of those areas for these poor kids.

GollyGee said...

Thank you, Flimsy!

So funny when Opie was standing in the chair and was about to pummel them with the box of rice!

Dmasy said... 61
Never try to do two things as the same time -- you won't do either well. Sorry for the poor punctuation (and other confusions) in my previous comment.

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Opie wanted to take piano lessons from Clara Edwards. He was taking them and had piano practice from 4 to 6 everyday. Then a NFL football player, Flip Conroy came to town to coach the local team.

Opie was a very good quarterback and was having to miss practice to get back home to practice piano. Andy caught Arnold practicing for him when Opie was at football practice.

Andy blew up like TFW and said that you can't do 2 things at once and succeed in both. You ought to have seen Andy COWER when Flip came over and showed Andy that it was possible to do 2 things at once and be successful.

Flip went to the piano and played beautifully.

Thanks for the TAGS shout out!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I think coming from any other kid Robert's persona would be put upon, but I think it's real. Look at his parents. They were and are both so full of life and enthusiasm. He backs it up with knowledge, personality, and the ability to be personable. It's not just some kid reading lines then they go back to being a kid when it's all over. He has an uncanny ability to relate to others.

I think he very likely has a very high IQ, which is one reason why it can look odd to see a personality like that on a 13 year old kid.

Like I said, the only danger is if he ever decides he doesn't like this anymore.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Charisma is important. But you can develop a stage personality. I think the problem with the Gosselin kids is the constant contradiction. Kate is constantly telling them not to tell anyone about their lives.


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I agree Jeanne. That has to be terribly confusing for them and suppresses their ability to be themselves.

I think that's another huge reason the Gosselin kids are much more withdrawn. They are constantly called to perform their OWN character, to expose their OWN lives. At a certain point a lot of kids are going to shut down and just not want to perform.

With Robert, most of the time he's talking about other things. The animals, the zoo, his family. Things he genuinely enjoys talking about. There are a few questions always sprinkled in there about Robert himself, but those are sparse.

It's like you have a kid who loves dinosaurs and you turn the camera on and ask them to talk about that mole on their cheek. Of course they would rather talk dinosaurs and will probably perk up a lot more when you engage them in something THEY are interested in.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


They seem to be experiencing an opportunity of a young lifetime and enjoying themselves. The show brings out a surprising playfulness in the usually "foul" Gordon Ramsey.


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He is shockingly good with kids. When a child is upset, he calms them down and gives them focus and perspective. I have never seen Kate squat down to a crying child's level, talk them through what's upsetting them, and help them pick up the pieces and carry on. It's always barking orders. Get in the boat, Alexis!

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Admin (#66), and I think another huge difference is that TFW has insulated her kids to the point that they're all clannish, whereas the Irwin kids have been encouraged to turn their gifts outward and be a part of the world at large.

Bindi and Robert are engaging because they've been engaged. Then there's the
G kids, who grew up napping to DVD's of their shows. As Tucker's Mom said, it doesn't matter where they have traveled
if those experiences were just part of a production schedule, and not truly a source of joy and enrichment.

Tucker's Mom said...

FlimsyFlamsy said... 68
Admin (#66), and I think another huge difference is that TFW has insulated her kids to the point that they're all clannish, whereas the Irwin kids have been encouraged to turn their gifts outward and be a part of the world at large.
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Like any good abuser, Kate has isolated the kids to the extent that she can.
For all their exposure and travel, they seem very insular.
Growing up, we were always with friends, cousins, grands, aunts...even family friends that were like family.
I never was isolated on my property for any extended period.

Tucker's Mom said...

it doesn't matter where they have traveled
if those experiences were just part of a production schedule, and not truly a source of joy and enrichment.
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Look at what happened when the Palins engaged the kids, got them involved and engaged in the actual experience in which they found themselves on that sandbar in Alaska.
They looked like they were enjoying the experience immensely, while Kate snarled and snapped and just wanted do enough to get the filming shots, and she was out of there.
I bet all those kids would have loved to have spend the night.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Here's another web exclusive clip of Robert Irwin from the other day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U38vprRMyWs

I just cannot even imagine any of the Gosselins including Kate capable of speaking about anything the way he does.

RoxyHelen said...

Tucker's Mom said... 62

Dmasy said... 60
Jeanne -- I thought your comment (56) was full of insight. I had never thought of what must be a constant contradiction in their lives.
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I remember, way back when, J+K sitting on the couch and Kate saying how they tell their kids to respond to inquiries about filming:
"We don't talk about that, thank you".
Paraphrasing here, but essentially, I was gobsmacked to hear Kate actually say that she's groomed the kids to conceal their filming lives.
Which, by her own words, WAS their lives.
Nothing short of brainwashing.

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I am pretty sure you are remembering this wrong. I remember the moment you are talking about and the discussion was about pictures. Kate said that they taught the children that if someone in public wants to snap their picture they can just say "No thank you" and turn their backs at the person trying to snap the picture. I don't remember it ever being about people asking them about filming.

In any case, it was bs. As bs as when jon and kate covered the children's backpack(their names were on the packs) so that "whoever doesn't already know their name", won't read it and call them/try to kidnap them. This was in season 3 when all America and part of Europe knew everything about their children, down to what stage of pottytraining they're at, what they like to eat and how many cavities they have.

Tucker's Mom said...

I just cannot even imagine any of the Gosselins including Kate capable of speaking about anything the way he does.
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Except for Mady, every single one of the G kids appears at best, cooperative, and at worst, weary and resistant on their basement work couch.
Mady seems to be rising to a perceived responsibility of keeping up the energy in her interviews with Cara, trying to deflect as much as possible from Cara's obvious refusal to participate for almost 2 years or so now.
From the clips I've seen, it's painful to watch Mady obviously working to get the job done, from that stupid, hurried and disjointed "game night", to every interview.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

The G kids have also been cursed with a sullen, ungrateful parent running their lives.
Jon is a gregarious dude, and I think if he'd continued to live with them, his influence could've had more of an impact on their lives.

Remember when they all went to that bible play? The woman who gave them the free tickets was so friendly, and TFW couldn't care less. Then at the end the woman gave the kids free stuffed animals (and, of course, who was TFW to say no?), and TFW finally warmed up a bit and hugged the woman to thank her. Knowing her, she was probably bookmarking the experience in her mind, hoping she could hit this woman up for future freebies.

A TFW defender might say, well, maybe she's just shy, and socially awkward. But, c'mon, folks, we can plainly see how she is positively GLOWING when she is out and about as a celebrity, and that camera is solely on her. Oh, and shy people do not hustle themselves a TV series.

Mel said...

RoxyHelen...I think TFW was talking about the kids at school asking questions about filming. She'd instructed her own children to respond "We don't talk about that."

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Mel (#75), and then maybe TFW told the kids to say, "But if you really want to know what goes on, tune in to TLC Tuesday nights at 10! And tell your friends! And running around with a sign at Walmart couldn't hurt either!"

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