Wednesday, February 17, 2016

A reality star's daughter breaks her silence: I was 'exploited, 'powerless without a voice'

One reality T.V. kid steps into adulthood, and introspection: 'Excess debris created by a produced, manipulated, pseudo-reality universe.'


Says Real Housewives daughter Christie Staub in this chilling account (and big foreshadowing):
  • My mother's storyline was edited and produced, placing her in scenarios to achieve a desired outcome. She wouldn't normally be involved in these scenarios; they were dictated by the producers, and they just told my mom where to show up for filming. In season one, my mother didn't expect this to happen. These were the early days of reality shows. In 2006, The Hills was in its first season, and the Real Housewives franchise had yet to become a household name. Today, reality stars are savvy, but a decade ago, talent lacked a frame of reference. Other than Queer Eye for the Straight Guy, my mother had never seen a reality show. Just be myself, she thought. Little did she know that myself is how the producers choose to present you. Every story arc needs an antagonist and a protagonist—that is what creates the conflict and resolution, i.e. the drama. 

  • Imagine if all of the arguments you've had in your life were filmed by a stranger, and they took out the worst things you said, edited it together, and then presented the footage on TV to define your character. Would you say that characterization was accurate? Anything that is produced, and edited in this manner, is fictitious by default, but unlike an actor, my mother didn't have the advantage of hiding behind a character, not to mention that the reality forms a perception that is impossible to overcome when the viewers aren't aware of what goes down behind the scenes. The producers had the power to manipulate my mother in anyway they pleased to increase ratings. When the second season ended, my mother decided to leave the show. The network portrayed her decision as her getting fired, but she left to save her life and her kids. 

  • Even now, all these years later, people see me as a character created by a producer. They see me as the daughter of an infamous reality show prostitution whore. They may not have called me garbage like they called my mother, but that's how they made me feel. They took away my name and my voice. My name is Christine Staub, and I will no longer be the excess debris created by a produced, manipulated, pseudo-reality universe. I will never again be a character defined by unethical producers, and exploited by networks all over the world. I am no longer a child, powerless without a voice.
https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/growing-up-as-the-daughter-of-a-real-housewife#

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Lynne In RI said...

Fido (187)L :Can you imagine trying to teach Geraldo Rivera ANYTHING? He of the highest intellect and greatest leadersip qualities needs no direction from anyone, ya hear? If a pro tries to correct his cha-cha-cha, he will have to pout until he gets to choo-choo-choo instead. Be forewarned pro dancer. Geraldo is never wrong."

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But, you know what? Despite his ego and attitude, I bet he isn't afraid to work hard.

Lynne In RI said...

Wowser (188): "Never saw this one....

https://drlillianglassbodylanguageblog.wordpress.com/2010/03/30/kate-gosselin%E2%80%99s-toxic-personality-comes-out-on-dancing-with-the-stars-as-she-not-only-disrespects-her-teacher-tony-dovolani-but-the-other-contestants/"

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I never saw it either because I just can't read her blogs!

fidosmommy said...

Personally speaking, if a standout American with lots of knowledge and leadership skills was canoodling with every intern on staff it would not preclude my vote.
It is none of my business, IMO, and I don't want to be dragged down that hole when discussing qualifications.
Just sharing my thoughts, not trying to direct the conversation. :)

Lynne In RI said...

Can't anyone locate AuntieAnn and tell her that we miss her? :(

Lynne In RI said...

Fleecing (179): " At some point, she always comes back, hints at where she was (her health or something else), keeps hinting, but nobody ever asks her about it or is concerned."

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She sure does, and then when nobody fawns over her, she goes back to pouting and tries it again. What do they say about insanity? Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results?

Tucker's Mom said...

I have no problem with Trump's 3 marriages and note that he and Melania have what seems to be a a good marriage and nice kids.
It's things like Bill Clinton denying his peccadillos and literally causing a Federal case that are ridiculous.
OT- I worked in D.C. when the Monica Lewinsky scandal broke out. She was hiding out in the Mayflower Hotel at the time, and I remember walking by and seeing paparazzi with binoculars the size of Howitzers, peering across the street into the windows! The press was on her like white on rice.
And Kate think she's had it bad.

Midnight Madness said...

But, you know what? Despite his ego and attitude, I bet he isn't afraid to work hard.

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Yes, true. Kate had an ego and an attitude and didn't want to work but thought she'd coast right through there because after all, she had eight kids and should have gotten a pass.

Midnight Madness said...

I have no problem with Trump's 3 marriages and note that he and Melania have what seems to be a a good marriage and nice kids.
It's things like Bill Clinton denying his peccadillos and literally causing a Federal case that are ridiculous.

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At least Trump didn't say, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Maples," and then have her turn up pregnant!

Tucker's Mom said...

But, you know what? Despite his ego and attitude, I bet he isn't afraid to work hard.
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You're right and I retract my initial knee-jerk reaction and anticipate that Geraldo will be fighting hard until the end. His stubborn nature will keep him in the running.
I'm sure we'll be treated to footage of him in his tighty-whities ;-)

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Tucker's Mom (#9), you're reminding me of TFW bragging how she was going to be better than her DWTS competitors: "Pamela Anderson - check!"
If there was a way to have gotten her brother Kevin in drag to fill in for her, she would've done it. Oh, wait -- she kicked him to the curb long ago.

fidosmommy said...

If there was a way to have gotten her brother Kevin in drag to fill in for her, she would've done it.

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But not until he'd done all of her chores first.

TLC stinks said...

1990 Vanity Fair article by Marie Brenner on Trump. What I found so interesting is that nothing has changed about Trump. It's not just about the marriage. I was surprised that this article dates 1990; it could have been written yesterday.

http://www.vanityfair.com/magazine/2015/07/donald-ivana-trump-divorce-prenup-marie-brenner

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


I have no problem with Trump's 3 marriages and note that he and Melania have what seems to be a a good marriage and nice kids.


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I like Melania and I like all the kids.

I remember the moment I first liked Melania. When she was part of a Celebrity Apprentice task promoting some business of hers and Dennis Rodman spelled her name wrong on the promotional flyers. Her side eye was hilarious.

Animal Advocate said...

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 13

I like Melania and I like all the kids.
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I don't understand how anyone can find those who trophy hunt big game, as the Trump sons have done, the least bit likable.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Monica and Bill, not Hillary. https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=monica+bill+photo&view=detailv2&&id=C028FBA3154423F9E9C41B477CE940FB282D61E3&selectedIndex=1&ccid=KXoaJaRi&simid=608027873788823118&thid=OIP.M297a1a25a4629140f045acc344c6b3b5H2&ajaxhist=0
separate the two


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Why? She's chosen to stay married to him, and it reflects on her. If she divorced him that's another matter. She was also an active, proven part in the coverup of his misdeads. As Linda Tripp says in fact she orchestrated the whole thing. She quote "destroyed women so their stories never saw the light of day." She is no innocent bystander in this. That said, I don't care about his sexual relationships any more than I care about Trump's, unless it crosses the line into illegal activity like criminal cover ups, blackmail or undue influence.

As for the Trump kids, I do like them. I don't like big game hunting especially if it's not legal or humane, but I don't think you have to approve of each and every person's choices to generally like them. If that were the case, no one would have anyone they like at all. You'd hate everyone. Not everyone has the same moral code, religion, values and beliefs, and we can still find some common ground. Diversity and open-mindedness is about more than skin color.

Animal Advocate said...

Diversity and open-mindedness is about more than skin color.
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I am proud to be "closed-minded" when it comes to big game hunting. I find the practice morally reprehensible, and I don't feel the need to claim to like someone who engages in a practice I find repugnant to avoid being labeled "closed-minded."

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


I am proud to be "closed-minded" when it comes to big game hunting. I find the practice morally reprehensible, and I don't feel the need to claim to like someone who engages in a practice I find repugnant to avoid being labeled "closed-minded."


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That's fine. That's a deal breaker for you. It's not for me.

Personally, I don't see any difference between big game hunting or squirrel hunting. All have the potential to cause suffering to one of God's creatures, great or small. But if I hated squirrel hunters, there goes half my community as well as Justice Scalia. Eh, I don't roll that way.

By the way a few fun facts, the last big game photos of his kids are quite old, from 2012, even though they keep resurfacing as if it just happened. No photos that we know of since 2012. Are they still doing this activity or was it something they've moved on from?

T said...

So this happened today: they're putting in a new telephone system at work, (I work in New England), and the outside contractors are from Pennsylvania. I asked one of them which part of Pennsylvania is he from, and he replied "Reading". I said that the "The only thing I know about that area Pennsylvania, is that it's where Kate Gosselin is from". Then the contractor says "oh be glad you don't know her! My sister works at a restaurant that she and her bodyguard used to come in all the time. My sister says that she was always such a bitch!" I said " Really? Which restaurant was it?" And he replies "Austin's".

I just about died! What a small world! Anywhoooo........ That was the end of our conversation as I had to get back to work, since I'm a real nurse,( and I just don't play one on TV like. Kate).

PA Dutch Mom said...

The Presidents and their women...

If memory serves me (and it often doesn't!), Dwight and his chauffeur, Kay, were very close, too close for comfort; Grover had an affair with a woman who gave birth to a son. He paid support, but then put the boy into an orphanage. Going way back, there was Jefferson and Sally, his slave. Our Presidents certainly did like those little flings on the side!

There was a very good documentary on one of the history channels about the women. The saddest story was Andrew Jackson, who married Rachel, who never had gotten a divorce from her husband but didn't know it. The public harassed both of them unmercifully, crying that they didn't want a whore in the White House. Charlton Heston and Susan Hayward starred in the movie. If you like the history of the Presidents, that one is worth watching,

Trump pales in comparison to some of them.

PA Dutch Mom said...

My sister says that she was always such a bitch!" I said " Really? Which restaurant was it?" And he replies "Austin's".

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How can that be possible? Everyone who has ever comes into contact with Kate just loves her! The sister must just be jellus.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

T (#18), cool story! But I thought everyone who meets TFW loooooves her? That myth's been shattered a few hundred times, hasn't it?

PA Dutch Mom said...

Denise ‏@Mydmaxx 2h2 hours ago
@Kateplusmy8 March is someone's Birthday month! 🎂🎉🎈🎁😉 20 day countdown. 😁❤️

Oh, geez. The countdown has started. I guess in Milo's absence, Denise has taken over, and they'll try anything to fish Kate out of hiding.

fidosmommy said...

Re: the missing Milo. Do you suppose someone "communicated" with her in one of those "other ways" and told her to knock it off with the ridiculous Kate tweets?

Animal Advocate, hunting sends me off the edge too.
I can't get my head around it being called a sport and especially calling it enjoyable. I know all the reasons for hunting, but it still does not help me like it. Not one bit.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Grover Cleveland was a rapist.

Was LBJ the one where women would be sleeping at the white house and wake up to find him nude in their room? He liked to whip out his member.

One of my friends is a private investigator and once worked with a former secret service agent of Kennedy's. He said he once took a girlfriend of Kennedy's to the hospital after she slammed her head in the White House pool somehow and needed stitches. He was told to keep it very discreet.

I just think it's funny, and baffling, at all the pearl clutching over Trump when you can find at least one if not many other "great" presidents who have done the same darn thing if not much, much worse. Lots of credible accounts of presidents being just as crass and vulgar and nasty about various topics and people. Only difference is at least Trump does it on the up and up. It's the old would you rather hear it to your face or would you rather someone talk behind your back. I understand exactly why his supporters find his way appealing.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

My sister works at a restaurant that she and her bodyguard used to come in all the time. My sister says that she was always such a bitch!" I said " Really? Which restaurant was it?" And he replies "Austin's".


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Lol. That sounds kind of similar to the conversation I had with a security guard at Barnes and Noble.

I'm pretty sure he called her a bitch too.

PA Dutch Mom said...

Marla Maples, a no-talent blond bimbo that was Donald Trump's mistress while married to Ivana.

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I don't know how much of a bimbo she is, but I have read that she really has a big heart and is a strong believer in giving back, having set up numerous charities, many of them for children. Her daughter, Tiffany, is no dummy. She is a student at U Penn with a double major and concentration in law. I remember reading some time ago that she's a straight A student there.

Animal Advocate said...

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 17

That's fine. That's a deal breaker for you. It's not for me.

Personally, I don't see any difference between big game hunting or squirrel hunting. All have the potential to cause suffering to one of God's creatures, great or small. But if I hated squirrel hunters, there goes half my community as well as Justice Scalia. Eh, I don't roll that way.

By the way a few fun facts, the last big game photos of his kids are quite old, from 2012, even though they keep resurfacing as if it just happened. No photos that we know of since 2012. Are they still doing this activity or was it something they've moved on from?
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I'm aware of that. I didn't state that the photos were current.

I didn't differentiate between squirrel hunting and big game hunting, so no clue why you brought that up. The Trump sons are known to have hunted big game. I have no idea if they hunt squirrels, but if they do I find that disgusting as well.

Half of your community hunts squirrels? Um, okay...

PA Dutch Mom said...

I just think it's funny, and baffling, at all the pearl clutching over Trump when you can find at least one if not many other "great" presidents who have done the same darn thing if not much, much worse. Lots of credible accounts of presidents being just as crass and vulgar and nasty about various topics and people.

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FDR had an affair with Lucy Mercer that went on for years. Apparently she was the love of his life. I've read some accounts of their relationship and apparently Eleanor was a cold fish, found out about the affair, made him end it and would never again allow him in her bed. I guess FDR and Lucy couldn't stand being apart and the relationship never really ended. And yet, Roosevelt has gone down in history as being a "great" President, surpassed only by Lincoln and Washington in many rankings.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/20/weekinreview/20mcgrath.html?_r=0

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I didn't differentiate between squirrel hunting and big game hunting, so no clue why you brought that up. The Trump sons are known to have hunted big game. I have no idea if they hunt squirrels, but if they do I find that disgusting as well.

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Interesting. So about 15 million Americans you've written off because they partake in hunting? Including the ones who eat their game too?

Out of curiosity are you a vegetarian? Or is it okay to torture chickens and cows and pigs in pens but not okay to hunt?

Just trying to make sense of this. Seems like a lot of people to write off over something that for centuries we had to do to survive and some people still survive this way.

It also seems like an odd issue to write someone off for. Not sure what hunting has to do with being a good leader, or son of a leader. Seems like many fine politicians and Supreme Court justices and other leaders hunt. Seems like that is something between them and their creator.

Are you aware President Obama has shot a gun many times up at Camp David and is a very strong supporter of hunters? He has a quote "profound respect for the traditions of hunting that trace back in this country for generations." In fact, the Department of Interior, headed by an appointee of Obama, recently found that big game hunting of lions posed absolutely no danger to the population and actually helps with population balances. Most people took that finding as a sanctioning of big game hunting by his administration. They certainly didn't bother to condemn anything about it when that came out.

Interesting when you peel the layers back, once again Trump, and the Trump kids, are doing many things many other politicians have done including Obama. The same things. The facts get pesky after awhile I imagine.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

apparently Eleanor was a cold fish

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I don't think she was such a cold fish if she could just find the right gender to pair up with! ......Just saying! :)

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

And yet, Roosevelt has gone down in history as being a "great" President, surpassed only by Lincoln and Washington in many rankings.

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Yep, the same guy who interned the Japanese right here in CA has gone down as one of our greatest presidents. You need only flip through Dorthea Lange's photos of that to see how horrific it was for those poor people.

No one wants to intern anyone. Nobody's raping anyone or having affairs or hovering over beds in the White House naked. Yet people are blowing a gasket over limiting immigration to people who have never been here, have no ties to this country, have no rights to be here in the first place, and are from the exact same places where very concerning people are hiding out and our terrorist screening system for immigrants has been *proven* to be an utter failure (see San Bernardino). Big freaking deal, some of the candidates want to limit immigration. The same things just about every other country does during a crisis or even in peacetime. The same things Obama does already! (See Syria)

Clutch, clutch, clutching the pearls. The hypocrisy of it all. I don't get it. Oh well, Trump's won again tonight, naturally, so they can clutch all they want. The nomination is his.

jamezvader1194 said...

@FilmsyFlamsy Or(like some of Kate's loyal fans believe)obviously T and his sister are sock accounts of Kate's 24/7 haters.SMH how many times has this been claimed and refuted but they still don't believe it?

Sheepless In Seattle said...

It also seems like an odd issue to write someone off for. Not sure what hunting has to do with being a good leader, or son of a leader. Seems like many fine politicians and Supreme Court justices and other leaders hunt. Seems like that is something between them and their creator.

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I agree. My veterinarian is a big game hunter. I could never figure that one out. Seems like such a dichotomy. He and his father make annual trips to Alaska. I am so anti-hunting that it isn't even funny. Just the thought of someone shooting an animal, any animal, for sport, is disgusting to me. That said, I love my vet and have for decades. I trust him completely with my pets. In fact, I have often said that if my family doctor isn't available, call my vet... for me! I would never not use him as my vet because he is a hunter. It doesn't enter into our conversations, because he knows how I feel; I know how he feels, and never the twain shall meet!

Sheepless In Seattle said...

I don't think she was such a cold fish if she could just find the right gender to pair up with! ......Just saying! :)

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Yeah, there were stories out there that she preferred her own sex. What was that woman's name? Lorena somebody. I always remember her first name because it was the same as Bobbitt's wife. I know, I'm weird that way.

Sheepless In Seattle said...

Clutch, clutch, clutching the pearls. The hypocrisy of it all. I don't get it. Oh well, Trump's won again tonight, naturally, so they can clutch all they want. The nomination is his.

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And we laughed about it when he announced his candidacy! Who would have thought it?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

The OJ story has somehow morphed into the Marcia Clark story and I'm enjoying every second of it.

Sarah Paulson's well placed tear when the judge made a comment about her new hair epitomized every woman's struggle with insecurities about their appearance in a man's world. Chris Darden seems like a doll and a court partner any attorney would be so lucky to have.

I hope she gets an Emmy for this.

PA Dutch Mom said...

Was LBJ the one where women would be sleeping at the white house and wake up to find him nude in their room? He liked to whip out his member.

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I think that was Bill Cosby!

I don't remember hearing that about Johnson, but it must have been after his swim. It is said that he liked to swim in the nude and that he called his member "Jumbo" and, according to him, had more women by accident than JFK did on purpose.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Sleepless can I say that's weird about your vet!!

But hey doesn't have anything to do with his abilities as a doc.

PA Dutch Mom said...

Re: the missing Milo. Do you suppose someone "communicated" with her in one of those "other ways" and told her to knock it off with the ridiculous Kate tweets?

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And she ran off with her tail between her legs?

Tucker's Mom and locals -- 76 tomorrow! Get out those sandals! The groundhogs were right.

Animal Advocate said...

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 27
I didn't differentiate between squirrel hunting and big game hunting, so no clue why you brought that up. The Trump sons are known to have hunted big game. I have no idea if they hunt squirrels, but if they do I find that disgusting as well.

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Interesting. So about 15 million Americans you've written off because they partake in hunting? Including the ones who eat their game too?

Out of curiosity are you a vegetarian? Or is it okay to torture chickens and cows and pigs in pens but not okay to hunt?

Just trying to make sense of this. Seems like a lot of people to write off over something that for centuries we had to do to survive and some people still survive this way.

It also seems like an odd issue to write someone off for. Not sure what hunting has to do with being a good leader, or son of a leader. Seems like many fine politicians and Supreme Court justices and other leaders hunt. Seems like that is something between them and their creator.

Are you aware President Obama has shot a gun many times up at Camp David and is a very strong supporter of hunters? He has a quote "profound respect for the traditions of hunting that trace back in this country for generations." In fact, the Department of Interior, headed by an appointee of Obama, recently found that big game hunting of lions posed absolutely no danger to the population and actually helps with population balances. Most people took that finding as a sanctioning of big game hunting by his administration. They certainly didn't bother to condemn anything about it when that came out.

Interesting when you peel the layers back, once again Trump, and the Trump kids, are doing many things many other politicians have done including Obama. The same things. The facts get pesky after awhile I imagine.
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My, you sure are good at making giant, incorrect leaps. Where did I say one word about writing off every person who hunts and eats what they hunt? That's right, I didn't...so I am not going to defend against something I never said.

I don't care if you find trophy hunting an odd issue to write someone off for. My principles are my own and your opinion of them has no bearing on me.

And your claim that Obama and the Trump kids have done the same thing is laughable and not worthy of debate. Pesky "facts?" Thanks for the laugh!

Yes, I am a vegetarian...not that it's really any of your business.

PA Dutch Mom said...

Chris Darden seems like a doll and a court partner any attorney would be so lucky to have.

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Didn't Marcia date him after the trial, or am I thinking of someone else?

PA Dutch Mom said...

OT...

More on Erin:

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/jurors-explain-55-million-award-erin-andrews-nude-video-case-n534221

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

It sounds like they did date and were at least very very close.

Marcia Clark is more vague about what happened but did say she hasn't spoken to him in years. I think she all but hinted she really missed him and would take his call. People move on.

fidosmommy said...

I thought Grover Cleveland got married to Lucy while in the White House. In fact, I think the ceremony was actually there. Off to Google Grover!

fidosmommy said...

Oops, Mrs. Cleveland was Frances, not Lucy. And I remember they had a Baby Ruth. I remember laughing about that when I was studying the Presidents in 4th grade.

Jeanne said...

We've all heard Kate's assertion that everyone who meets her loves her. I think her sentence is missing words. Loves to hate her? Loves when she leaves? We're not hearing from anyone who loves her after time in a store or restaurant. And we're talking Berks County. I would love to hear from the women who bring her coffee at Ted Gibson's salon. Or the staff at Nobu or Essex House. I know we won't hear those but I wish we could. I wonder if she believes everyone loves her or if she just says it.

Tucker's Mom said...

Yes, I am a vegetarian...not that it's really any of your business.
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You just made it so, moreover, who cares?
Making this about Trump's son hunting is like making it about his great uncle farting. Both legal.
The Trump witch hunting never ends.
Now, people who raise their hands to signal support of him are Nazis and he's either Hitler or Il Duce. SMDH.
The press should take a picture of me in church, along with my fellow Catholics as we raise our outstretched arms towards the eucharistic ministers as we bless them before they go out into the community to serve.
Dear Lord. The photograph would look exactly the same.

Tucker's Mom said...

Jeanne said... 46
We've all heard Kate's assertion that everyone who meets her loves her. I think her sentence is missing words. Loves to hate her? Loves when she leaves?
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Kate is a liar and is delusional. I seriously believe she is mentally ill on a level that includes seeing people as objects. If she does project warmth, it is calculated to appear in a manner that she believes people should act.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

The Nazi accusation only proves Trump's point. People are sick and tired of the PCness and of the witch hunt and hyperbolic comparisons. When I got sworn into the Bar it also looked like that. All they were doing was promising to get out the vote. The same promise every single candidate has asked of their supporters. Sigh.

I am one of Eight said...

Tucker ' s Mom, we have a,new priest from Poland and he said from his view, it looks like we're all saluting Hitler so now we use two outstretched hands.
Has anyone seen the video of the reporter showing Trump supporters quotes in a brochure and seeing if they agree? Then he tells them they are all really Hitler quotes.
There's also a quiz you can take to see who said quotes between Trump, Kanye West and Voldemort. That one was kind of fun to take. Sorry I don't have links, my child showed them to me.

Tucker's Mom said...

I am one of Eight said... 50
Tucker ' s Mom, we have a,new priest from Poland and he said from his view, it looks like we're all saluting Hitler so now we use two outstretched hands.
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I find great irony in that ;-)

Sara said...

I don't know how relevant someone's personal relationships, however dysfunctional, are to the presidency


The Evangelicals would argue that it is very important.

Sara

Blowing In The Wind said...

The Nazi accusation only proves Trump's point. People are sick and tired of the PCness and of the witch hunt and hyperbolic comparisons.

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Yes, and the irony is that the more they try to bring him down, the more it backfires on them. They are kind of like Kate and the sheeple. They just don't get it and don't know when to knock it off.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


My, you sure are good at making giant, incorrect leaps. Where did I say one word about writing off every person who hunts and eats what they hunt? That's right, I didn't...so I am not going to defend against something I never said.

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Now I'm really having a hard time following you down your scenic route of odd logic!

You will write off any candidate whose son happened to legally shoot some big game in 2012. I get that, sort of not really. But anyway. However, you then stated there is no difference between big game hunting and any other kind of hunting, like say squirrel hunting.

However, you WON'T write off all hunters. But if it's all the same to you, why are you picking and choosing?

That does't make a whole lot of sense. Either you write them all off or you write off none of them. But you don't get to pick and choose which ones you're going to shun just because their last name is Trump and you don't like them. Not that you're not the only one who has done this this election season. It makes more sense if you have a problem with Trump's kids, to have an equal problem with Obama, who very clearly said he is a strong supporter of hunters and even loves shooting himself, does it all the time up in Maryland. Yet, you don't. Shaking my head in confusino.

Animal Advocate said...

Tucker's Mom said... 47
Yes, I am a vegetarian...not that it's really any of your business.
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You just made it so, moreover, who cares?
Making this about Trump's son hunting is like making it about his great uncle farting. Both legal.
The Trump witch hunting never ends.
Now, people who raise their hands to signal support of him are Nazis and he's either Hitler or Il Duce. SMDH.
The press should take a picture of me in church, along with my fellow Catholics as we raise our outstretched arms towards the eucharistic ministers as we bless them before they go out into the community to serve.
Dear Lord. The photograph would look exactly the same.
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Excuse me? I didn't bring up vegetarianism, the Administrstor did. As for who cares, apparently the Administrator does since she asked.

Witch hunt? I simply responded to a comment about the Trump children being likable. Disliking his children based on their behavior is not a "witch hunt."

Animal Advocate said...


You will write off any candidate whose son happened to legally shoot some big game in 2012.
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I find Donald Trump vile. I would find him vile if his sons had devoted their lives to wildlife rescue. My opinion of him has nothing to do with his children. I neither said nor implied that I was writing him off as a candidate based on the actions of his children. You are flat out making things up.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Yes, and the irony is that the more they try to bring him down, the more it backfires on them.

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There is something rather satisfying in watching the American people refuse to be controlled by the media, the RNC, or even other differing strong opinions.

I do see parallels to Kate and her sheeple. In that respect I see a group of people going beyond simply having a different opinion, which is good and encouraged. But rather, then taking that opinion and trying to FORCE it on others, as the anti-Trump groups, some anyway, are trying to do. Sometimes subtle sometimes outright threatening.

Just like Kate's fans. It goes beyond merely seeing Kate differently. They won't stop until they've brow-beat non-fans into submission.

One is democracy. The other is manipulation, coercion and a blatent disrespect for the democratic process. And that is NOT okay and Americans aren't falling for it. In contrary to all the hysteria, I see this as one of our finest hours when it comes to the democratic process. Americans don't WANT the establishment and are finally saying so, and aren't going to be bullied otherwise. They have a right to say something with their votes even if you don't like the candidate because he's a straight talking Brooklyn boy who offends people, and that's a great thing.

Animal Advocate said...

I see this as one of our finest hours when it comes to the democratic process. Americans don't WANT the establishment and are finally saying so,
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Donald Trump is NOT anti-establishment. He's been lobbying and using his $ to influence the political process for years. He may not have been a politician, but he most certainly has been heavily involved in the business of politics.

Tucker's Mom said...

Witch hunt? I simply responded to a comment about the Trump children being likable. Disliking his children based on their behavior is not a "witch hunt."
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Yes, it is. It's reaching to say the least.
It's not just you, it's the collective liberal media that is winding up giving Trump more air and print time than any other candidate, therefore, pushing him further to the nomination.
I guess you won't be making Lancaster's pig heart ;-(

Jane said...

Admin, Anderson and his mom have a book coming out soon!

https://m.harpercollins.com/9780062454942/the-rainbow-comes-and-goes

TLC stinks said...

As usual, politics gets heated here but I believe the optics of Trump having supporters raise their hands in a pledge to vote for him is bizarre. Obviously, these people are going to vote for him. They are ardent supporters. I think it was for the cameras and a power trip to make people do as he said. Frankly, if not for his rhetoric regarding Mexicans (a race) and Muslims (a religion), nobody would have insinuated the comparison. You get what was going on with the video, but the photos are bad, bad, bad. He played dumb about the historical context of how it looked. I've never seen it done at a political rally, but it's common at neo-nazi and white supremacist's rallies. I found the photos taken at his rally offensive and disturbing.

Jane said...

TLC Stinks, I agree. As a Jew who lost family in the Holocaust and who has experienced anti-semitism first hand both in the USA and Europe, simply seeing those crowds incited to raise their hands (before anyone even mentioned the Nazi salute) sent shivers down my spine. I'm sure I'm not alone in that feeling. One become sensitized to anti-semitism.... We can sense it, see it. I have no idea if Trump is anti-semitic but he's able to unleash those feelings in those who are and IMO that's horribly dangerous.

Dmasy said...

My hubby collects guns and has hunted for most of his life. He always had the meat dressed out for eating. It is a pretty standard lifestyle in the country.

I have only killed snakes or mice or spiders or...you get the idea.

Our new neighbor in Texas is a retired DEA agent. He is a big game bow hunter. He has over 60 full sized mounts -- including a female lion. Most of his mounts are from African safari hunts.

I look at the exotic animals and don't know exactly how I feel.

I do know this -- there are as many lifestyle choices are there are people. I don't get to make his decisions.

I hope I don't offend anyone with this observation -- I have a sweet friend who is an animal activist and protests hunting and guns.

She also believes in pro-choice and abortion. She is active in promoting both positions.

To my thinking, those are very conflicting beliefs.

redbird said...

Amy's TL is hopping compared to TFW's!

Amy Roloff CF @amyroloffCF · 26 Feb
Lots activity happening on farm. I'm ready! #secondact #rolofffarms #lpbw #lovewhatigettodo More episodes coming❤️ https://t.co/bJo8KFoQRb

Amy Roloff CF @amyroloffCF · 22h
Felix just hanging out while I'm working on my computer doing business!stuff... filming, prep… https://t.co/dAUMihSMvt

Amy Roloff CF @amyroloffCF · 7 Mar
Ok it's a wine, pistachios doing taxes kind of night. It may be for several nights #yuckontaxes #secondact

Amy Roloff CF @amyroloffCF · 6 Mar
@AlexaKaye3 Very applicable in our current times Wish more actually read this & took positive action

Amy Roloff CF @amyroloffCF · 6 Mar
So so Proud of this young man Zach. He had an idea, wanted to give back to support & help dwarf… https://t.co/0FBo4sikzl

Amy Roloff CF @amyroloffCF · 5 Mar
While I have a few minutes getting some of my taxes info together. Can't avoid it any longer.

Amy Roloff CF @amyroloffCF · 4 Mar
Today was a BIG filming day Tomorrow is Zach's BIG fundraising soccer game I can't wait and so… https://t.co/oCSLVbAvg3

Amy Roloff CF @amyroloffCF · 4 Mar
@FlaFarmBureau Thank You! I'm so looking forward to being there w/ y'all & speaking. #farmlife #secondact

Amy Roloff CF @amyroloffCF · 4 Mar
RT @FlaFarmBureau Guess who's speaking at #SouthernExposure?@amyroloffCF! R U registered? https://t.co/PF0H9rraOe https://t.co/rM65zjfjBZ

Amy Roloff CF @amyroloffCF · 4 Mar
RT @Insurancebrokr Have you gotten your tickets yet for Zach's soccer fundraiser March 5th? #PDXcharity #PDXevents https://t.co/8uJnSieHmQ

Amy Roloff CF @amyroloffCF · 3 Mar
My theme today is 'You're going to make it after all' song from Mary Tyler Moore show. Seemed so appropriate today. Woohoo! #secondact

Amy Roloff CF @amyroloffCF · 3 Mar
Can't wait for Zachs BIG event on Saturday. I'll be hosting the dwarf athletes at my house. Woohoo! #soccer https://t.co/7PQjAUyTeS

Amy Roloff CF @amyroloffCF · 1 Mar
It's a blustery day today & I'm happy I still have power.

Amy Roloff CF @amyroloffCF · 1 Mar
We had a BIG filming day this past weekend. These guys (EP, Sound, Camera) are just a few on… https://t.co/a0nCopfCFG

Amy Roloff CF @amyroloffCF · 1 Mar
Kind of did another marathon #lpbw interview.

Amy Roloff CF @amyroloffCF · 28 Feb
BIG filming day y'day at the farm Went Great. Upcoming episodes beginning April #secondact #lpbw #myreality #realitytv #lovewhatigettodo

Amy Roloff CF @amyroloffCF · 26 Feb
A BIG filming day tomorrow and so happy Molly came into town. Jer & Auj will be here too. Of… https://t.co/TLMwG6Dd3c

Amy Roloff CF @amyroloffCF · 26 Feb
@KEEGSMV Thank you for watching!

Tucker's Mom said...

I do know this -- there are as many lifestyle choices are there are people. I don't get to make his decisions.

I hope I don't offend anyone with this observation -- I have a sweet friend who is an animal activist and protests hunting and guns.
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Not offensive in the least. People are allowed to hunt in this country and our rights as Americans need to be respected, even if you disagree with others' choices to exercise those rights.

Tucker's Mom said...

Amy Roloff CF @amyroloffCF · 26 Feb
A BIG filming day tomorrow and so happy Molly came into town. Jer & Auj will be here too. Of… https://t.co/TLMwG6Dd3c

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Amy seems to mention this a lot. BIG filming days, and I'm sure they are. I think the sheep believe that filming doesn't take a lot of work and long hours, but it does. At least Amy is honest about the grueling schedule.
If Kate had any sense at all she'd also get on Instagram instead of throwing crumbs to the sheep and grifting.

Tucker's Mom said...

Ha, Amy Roloff also posts delicious meals on her Instagram. What ever happened to Kate's Menu Monday? She has totally dropped the ball on her blog and now Twitter.
I hope it's a sign.

Trump manipulates said...

I don't usually post political opinions, but this blog has caused me to do so. As a resident of NYS, I encourage you to read articles about when Trump was considering running for NY State Governor.

He would only run for Governor, if the NYS GOP endorsed him as the only candidate. When another GOP candidate refused to bow out of the race, Trump decided he didn't want to run for governor. He thought he should be the one and only candidate, and because the GOP in NY didn't bow to his wishes, he dropped out.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Tucker's Mom (#67), Menu Mondays, Throwback
Thursdays, the weekly blog posts that lasted
a whopping 2 weeks, the Christmas contest that
she judged in February...TFW isn't known for
her follow through, is she?

Jamesvader1194 said...

@Tucker's Mom Just checked the Kateplus8 facebook page and its even worse then twitter.They just posted something an hour ago but the last post was on February 18.If you notice a couple of post that have nothing to do with Kate but with indoor winter activities and another about spring break packing.Sheesh if TLC does run that page,they surely don't sound like they love posting about Kate.

AnnieD said...

Speaking of guns.....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3484064/Pro-gun-poster-girl-shot-four-year-old-son-driving-Florida-boy-pistol-seat-truck.html

Disturbed said...

Jane said... 62

I have no idea if Trump is anti-semitic but he's able to unleash those feelings in those who are and IMO that's horribly dangerous.
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It's a very disturbing image, especially to those who have studied the rise of Hitler. Am I comparing Trump to Hitler? Those in favor of Trump can giggle and suggest over-reacting or rising hysteria, but the fact remains that the image portrayed when Trump asked his followers to raise their right hands IS disturbing. I wonder if anyone in that crowd asked themselves if the Germans raised their right hands to Hitler.

Why did Trump ask that? Is he a carnival barker type just stirring up the crowds for attention knowing that image will get people talking? Did he not think the Jews, in particular, would be disturbed to say the least, seeing such an image?

FYI said...

fidosmommy said... 23
Re: the missing Milo. Do you suppose someone "communicated" with her in one of those "other ways" and told her to knock it off with the ridiculous Kate tweets?
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That has been my thought, also. I think Kate may have told Milo and Deanna(in a private DM or email) that she doesn't want to see this on her timeline.

It caused Deanna to go private, and Milo to disappear. I think they both got a smack down from Kate.

Anonymous said...

I've been watching the Trump phenomenon and, from this Canadian's viewpoint, his posture and boasting and the way his audience responds reminds me of some of the old (1930's) newsreels I've seen of Hitler's rallies prior to WW2. I find his rhetoric alarming.

Having said that, in his news conference Tuesday night he said something like he is sick of all this PR stuff and guaranteed that after he is elected President people can go back to saying Merry Christmas again; and I admit to liking that.

bm

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


I've been watching the Trump phenomenon and, from this Canadian's viewpoint, his posture and boasting and the way his audience responds reminds me of some of the old (1930's) newsreels I've seen of Hitler's rallies prior to WW2. I

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Incidentally I had the same thought when I saw the hysterical mass Obama rallies in 2008. Cultish almost. I found it completely creepy. Obama! Obama! But I have sense enough to understand of course he's not a Nazi. Neither is trump.

fidosmommy said...

Oh shoot, I just say "Merry Christmas" to everyone. It's a simple greeting, not an Ordination exam. If they want to respond with Happy Hanukkah, Happy Kwanzaa, Allah is Great or some Wiccan greeting, it's OK with me. There is room for all of us.

Disturbed said...

Having said that, in his news conference Tuesday night he said something like he is sick of all this PR stuff and guaranteed that after he is elected President people can go back to saying Merry Christmas again;
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What does that even mean? Holding the office will somehow banish political correctness? I say Merry Christmas...at Christmas. I don't need the president to tell me it's ok to say that, or mailman or trash collectors. Say what the heck you want if it's not offensive and hurtful like, say asking everyone to hold up their right hand if they're going to vote invoking memories of Nazi Germany.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


I find Donald Trump vile. I would find him vile if his sons had devoted their lives to wildlife rescue. My opinion of him has nothing to do with his children.

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Then why on earth are you so fixated on them in the first place. What on earth does it matter what they did ONCE, legally, in 2012 and no proof it's ever happened since? Good grief.

You still haven't answered how this differs from Obama, who completely approves of and supports our great hunting culture in this country.

Or is it just about being contrary to me, Sue? Yeah, I know it's you. Get help.

Tucker's Mom said...

Why did Trump ask that? Is he a carnival barker type just stirring up the crowds for attention knowing that image will get people talking? Did he not think the Jews, in particular, would be disturbed to say the least, seeing such an image?
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I can't imagine why he would think that holding his right hand up like every sworn-in witness, Girl Scout and Boy Scout would evoke such comparison to Hitler. If you watch the video, those right behind him mimicked his "pledge" posture and those opposite and farther away reached towards him.
That's Trump and his theatrics, and he has acknowledged that many found the image disturbing and said he won't do it again.
You don't need to be a Trump supporter to look at this objectively.
Bernie Sanders salute or wave?
https://www.google.com/search?q=bernie+sanders+raising+hand+waving&espv=2&biw=1422&bih=686&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjkwI2AxbTLAhXI4SYKHbc7Bj8Q_AUIBigB&dpr=0.9#imgrc=RLq-yB-BEV_1rM%3A
Hmm...he looks like Hitler, doesn't he?
https://www.google.com/search?q=bernie+sanders+raising+hand+waving&espv=2&biw=1422&bih=686&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjkwI2AxbTLAhXI4SYKHbc7Bj8Q_AUIBigB&dpr=0.9#imgrc=hHHlKE-9wg_t6M%3A

Look at these Nazis giving Hillary the salute!
https://www.google.com/search?q=hillary+clinton+rally&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiM_cD8xbTLAhWEJCYKHYjvAjUQ_AUICSgD&biw=1422&bih=686&dpr=0.9#imgrc=96lXvd6lE5tsKM%3A

Look, in hindsight, I think Trump wouldn't choose to do it again. I don't think there was any malice or bigotry intended.
Equating his supporters, who are millions of our fellow Americans, to Nazis is just so disappointing.
Who's worse, you or them?

TLC stinks said...

Admin, Cruz's crowds shout "Ted, Ted!" Does that make them cult-like or Nazis?

Tucker's Mom said...

That has been my thought, also. I think Kate may have told Milo and Deanna(in a private DM or email) that she doesn't want to see this on her timeline.

It caused Deanna to go private, and Milo to disappear. I think they both got a smack down from Kate.
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Uh, yeah, when your sidekick takes to libeling your ex on Twitter, it's time to tell them to stfu.

Tucker's Mom said...

The Obama fervor was NEVER compared to Hitler, and Obama has 1000x more charisma than Trump.
Obama filled STADIUMS of supporters freaking out over him like he was a rock star.
You want to talk about allegiance? Obama's was second to none.

PA Dutch Mom said...

Oh shoot, I just say "Merry Christmas" to everyone. It's a simple greeting, not an Ordination exam. If they want to respond with Happy Hanukkah, Happy Kwanzaa, Allah is Great or some Wiccan greeting, it's OK with me. There is room for all of us.

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Yeah, same here. As long as they don't say "Bah, Humbug, STFU" and give me the finger, all is good.

Well, we hit 84 degrees here today. A few weeks ago the temperature was zero, with wind chills at minus 10. This is just crazy. Maybe the aliens are experimenting with us. Nothing would surprise me.

PA Dutch Mom said...

I guess you won't be making Lancaster's pig heart ;-(

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LOL!! It's pig's stomach, and beef heart!

http://teriskitchen.com/padutch/pigstom.html

The last we heard from Auntie, I had given her the recipe for beef heart. I wonder how that turned out. I really wish she'd check in here. She's missed.

PA Dutch Mom said...


Or is it just about being contrary to me, Sue? Yeah, I know it's you. Get help.

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Was it ever established if this is an imposter Sue or the real Sue Buddy? I don't remember the real one ever being so antagonistic or picking at people.

Tucker's Mom said...

I actually turned on the AC for a bit today. It's crazy.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

PA Dutch Mom (#83), I can just picture the aliens descending on your state. And one of them walks up to TFW to talk to her, and she whispers to Steve, a la her Grove gaffe, "That wasn't supposed to be part of this!"

Mel said...

Look, in hindsight, I think Trump wouldn't choose to do it again. I don't think there was any malice or bigotry intended.

Trump seems to be remarkably unaware of how things he says or does are likely to taken. Kind of like how TFW is remarkably self-unaware.

I think he's used to bullying his way through life and is not used to being called to account for what he says or does.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

intended.

Trump seems to be remarkably unaware of how things he says or does are likely to taken. Kind of like how TFW is remarkably self-unaware.


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Fair enough. But how would anyone much less Trump foresee that raising your hand in a pledge to vote would in any way shape or form invoke the nazis? Huh?

That says a lot more about those making the accusations than it does those pledging. This one backfired big time on his haters.

Tucker's Mom said...

LOL!! It's pig's stomach, and beef heart!

http://teriskitchen.com/padutch/pigstom.html

The last we heard from Auntie, I had given her the recipe for beef heart. I wonder how that turned out. I really wish she'd check in here. She's missed.

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Oh, whoops! Close-ish.

Tucker's Mom said...

I think Trump is definitely used to getting his way. If he does become POTUS, I hope he surrounds himself with truth to power people.

Disturbed said...

Fair enough. But how would anyone much less Trump foresee that raising your hand in a pledge to vote would in any way shape or form invoke the nazis? Huh?

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Because Trump was mention with reference to Nazis way before his raise your right hand request. In fact he said back in December that he "loved the Hitler references...he was a great leader regardless of what he may or may not have done."

TLC stinks said...

I think this kerfuffle over the hand raising is that he called for it at a political rally (unlike a swearing in ceremony) coupled with his racist dog-whistle coded language. I actually believe he deliberately did it, because he did it a second time at another rally. Surely an advisor would have clued him in after the first instance, or my fear is he listens to no one.

Anonymous said...

My fear too is that Trump listens to no one. My fear increases when I wonder who will be willing to serve with him in his cabinet.

bm

FYI said...

To those of you defending and supporting Trump, you remind me of the sheeple. He(Kate) can do no wrong, but yet you keep on bringing up Obama or Hillary(Jon) to verify your arguments.

fidosmommy said...

I don't believe the salute thing was lost on Trump. Nothing would make an egotist happier than being seen as Leader of a Realm. I bet it gave him a thrill on a very real level.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


OT...

More on Erin:

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/jurors-explain-55-million-award-erin-andrews-nude-video-case-n534221


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Very thoughtful comments from the jurors. Sounds like they took their civic duty very seriously on this one. Well done.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

. You get what was going on with the video, but the photos are bad, bad, bad.

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I just have to disagree with that. The photo is of people holding out a hand to be sworn in as we do around this country for various things every day. Trump's right, everyone was having a good time and making a pledge to vote. Every single other candidate has engaged in similar pledges from their supporters to get out the vote. There's nothing unsual about this. The Nazi salute is an arm straight out and slightly upward, as I recall. There was nothing Nazi about it, no more Nazi than a group of Girl Scouts saying "on my honor" like we used to at meetings, and a couple vocal people tried to spin it around in a strange way, and it backfired. Trump even said he wasn't going to do that anymore if it was causing this much confusion, so I'm not sure what more people want.

Sometimes things really are what they are, much ado about nothing. Problem is if the anti-Trump people keep crying foul over every stupid thing, it's just going to make his supporters feel more justified.

Jane said...

Great analogy, KIAT. I agree.

FYI said...

I just have to disagree with that. The photo is of people holding out a hand to be sworn in as we do around this country for various things every day.
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Compare these:

New citizens swearing in ceremony:

http://www.worldculturepictorial.com/images/content/new_US_citizens_being_sworn_in.jpg

Lawyer swearing in ceremony:

http://nydailyrecord.com/files/2011/03/Bar-Admission-1vb.gif

Donald Trump asking people to swear a pledge to him:

http://www.snopes.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/trump-nazi-salute-rally.png

People saluting Hitler:

http://cache4.asset-cache.net/gc/50493688-nazi-german-fuhrer-adolf-hitler-saluting-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=OCUJ5gVf7YdJQI2Xhkc2QJjbOBQrC%2BywrrvOSZuveKgaivMukqq21F9jNegklkvnq1ZZJX7benfzlcDqnSdbTshCzEQicLfFQTfOBOhsSSs%3D

Question, which of two of these are NOT like the other two?

redbird said...

Kate is a twit said... 73
fidosmommy said... 23
Re: the missing Milo. Do you suppose someone "communicated" with her in one of those "other ways" and told her to knock it off with the ridiculous Kate tweets?
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That has been my thought, also. I think Kate may have told Milo and Deanna(in a private DM or email) that she doesn't want to see this on her timeline.

It caused Deanna to go private, and Milo to disappear. I think they both got a smack down from Kate.

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I think someone told Deanna to go private, either TFW or Jon's attorney. The ranting that Deanna tweeted about Jon and the kids was insane. Wasn't Milo riding that wave with Deanna? Maybe Milo got the wooden spoon too.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Compare these:

New citizens swearing in ceremony:

http://www.worldculturepictorial.com/images/content/new_US_citizens_being_sworn_in.jpg

Lawyer swearing in ceremony:

http://nydailyrecord.com/files/2011/03/Bar-Admission-1vb.gif

Donald Trump asking people to swear a pledge to him:

http://www.snopes.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/trump-nazi-salute-rally.png

People saluting Hitler:


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Sigh. What am I missing here? I see most of the people bending their arms slightly at the elbow as you would for any normal swearing in. Including Trump. Nothing wrong or abnormal about that.

For those in the back, the arms are raised a bit higher, probably because they want to be sure they are seen.

Is it the angle of the photo that is confusing people? Photos are two dimensional, and it was taken head on. As a photography, I understand the spacial physics that at that angle, you can't tell as clearly whether someone's arm is at a 90 degree angle or titled forward, because it's 2d. Maybe people are seeing what they want to see, an arm leaning forward like a Hitler salute, when that's not the case. Much ado about nothing.

fidosmommy said...

I half expect that on April 1 we will be hearing "Well, that was fun. Now let's try running for Lord Mayor of Sydney" from Donald Trump. ;)

Tucker's Mom said...

I think someone told Deanna to go private, either TFW or Jon's attorney. The ranting that Deanna tweeted about Jon and the kids was insane. Wasn't Milo riding that wave with Deanna? Maybe Milo got the wooden spoon too.
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Oooh, that's a possibility. Deanna crossed the line and maybe was given a smackdown. I was hoping Jon would take action on her tweets, and I hope he did.

Tucker's Mom said...

fidosmommy said... 103
I half expect that on April 1 we will be hearing "Well, that was fun. Now let's try running for Lord Mayor of Sydney" from Donald Trump. ;)
March 9, 2016 at 5:31 PM
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I often wonder if Trump is like Thomas Crown; the bored billionaire needs something to amuse himself. Or, is he truly a patriot?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


This is exactly the posture that Trump took, as well as many of the audience.
Trump asked them to swear to VOTE, not murder people.
People need to go on a media diet. The frenzy is taking a toll.

This isn't defending Trump, it's being objective. But, thanks for comparing me to Kate's child exploitation loving idiots.

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Objective here too, I rubbed by eyes once, then twice. Every single person in the front row, including Trump, have their arms bent at the elbow like a normal swearing in. Some more than others, but many at a perfect square angle. Nothing like a Nazi salute. As for the people in back, for most of them, you can't even see their elbows because of the angle of the photo to make the call whether they bent their arm, not to mention the 2d angle making it hard to tell. For those you can see, most of them are bent at least slightly. I'l admit there are a FEW towards the back who look more straight, but the reasonable explanation for that is they're trying to be seen because they're in.the.back.

Bottom line is trying to discredit Trump based on some convoluted comparison to the Nazi salute is only going to prove his point.

No one mainstream Republican did this to Obama, and there are literally hunderds of photos of him bending his arm out in what looks exactly like a Hiel Hitler salute. Here's just a couple that looks just like salutes:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/24/Obama_Biden_rally_2.jpg
http://www.insidefortlauderdale.com/photos/obama_hollywood.jpg



I don't think Obama is Hitler either--Just pointing out the double standard. If Obama is not a Nazi even though he salutes just like Hitler, neither is Trump.

I'm surprised more Jewish people don't find it incredibly offensive for people to be compared to Hitler who are nothing like Hitler. It seems like that cheapens Hitler and what the Jewish people went through at the hands of a real murderer. I find it very disrespectful to what happened in Europe for people to make these comparisons.

Jane said...

This 1990 very well-written and comprehensive article from Vanity Fair may have been posted a few days ago but, if so, I think it's worth posting again. It gives great insight into Trump's background as well as his misogyny, and much more.

http://www.vanityfair.com/magazine/2015/07/donald-ivana-trump-divorce-prenup-marie-brenner

Rainbowsandunicorns said...

Fair enough. But how would anyone much less Trump foresee that raising your hand in a pledge to vote would in any way shape or form invoke the nazis? Huh?

That says a lot more about those making the accusations than it does those pledging. This one backfired big time on his haters.

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Exactly. Big time. He has to walk on egg shells because there is something every day that gets someone upset, and they will use every opportunity they can to discredit him in some way. People will see what people want to see. It's kind of like those ghost pictures that surface from time to time. Is that a ghost in the window or mirror? Yes, it certainly is in the shape of a face. That's what I see. Others may not see it, and it can be proven that it is matrixing (shadows, clouds in the shape of animals) and not a ghost at all. But you can't convince anyone otherwise because if that's what they believe it to be, then that's what it is. It's in the eye of the beholder.

Rainbowsandunicorns said...

I think someone told Deanna to go private, either TFW or Jon's attorney. The ranting that Deanna tweeted about Jon and the kids was insane. Wasn't Milo riding that wave with Deanna? Maybe Milo got the wooden spoon too.

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Yes, Milo is or was the champion butt-kisser to any of Kate's buddies. She was a follower and if it were Kate's friend, it was her friend. She just had to be in that inner circle. Think Jamie, all of the companies she tweeted, BV, etc. Milo just craved that attention and the assurance that she would be a martyr for Kate. At times I actually felt sorry for her. Other times, not so much.

FYI said...

Admin said:

"I don't think Obama is Hitler either--Just pointing out the double standard. If Obama is not a Nazi even though he salutes just like Hitler, neither is Trump."

AND

"Trump asked them to swear to VOTE, not murder people."
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Apparently you do not see the difference in waving to a crowd(Obama) and Trump asking his supporters to take an OATH to support him and vote even under if they are under dire circumstances. To quote Donald Trump:

"I do solemnly swear that I, no matter how I feel, no matter what the conditions, if there are hurricanes or whatever, will vote on or before the 12th for Donald J. Trump for President."

"Now I know. Don't forget you all raised your hands. You swore. Bad things happen if you don't live up to what you just did".

Donald asks his supporters to swear they will vote for HIM and then goes on to say that "bad things" will happen to them if they don't.

He wasn't just telling them to go out and VOTE. He was telling them that they had to VOTE for him and if they didn't "bad things" would happen to them.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...



"I do solemnly swear that I, no matter how I feel, no matter what the conditions, if there are hurricanes or whatever, will vote on or before the 12th for Donald J. Trump for President."

"Now I know. Don't forget you all raised your hands. You swore. Bad things happen if you don't live up to what you just did".

Donald asks his supporters to swear they will vote for HIM and then goes on to say that "bad things" will happen to them if they don't.

He wasn't just telling them to go out and VOTE. He was telling them that they had to VOTE for him and if they didn't "bad things" would happen to them.




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Correct. And it couldn't be more clear it was said tongue in cheek, and everyone was laughing and smiling. I can't believe anyone seriously believes Trump was threatening his supporters with violence if they did not vote, much less his supporters themselves. Come on.

Heck, I've heard that expression used on me! Something like "You owe me lunch! If you don't pay up bad things will happen!" or "watch your back!" I usually laugh. My friends are not witches who can cast hexes on me and neither is Trump.

Maybe this is a New York thing? Born and raised upstate. Our jokes may threaten bodily harm now and again, but they're not serious!

I don't think Trump is translating to certain people. Fair enough. The kinds of complaints they have is truly leaving his supporters scratching their heads wondering did we just see the same thing? Oh well, I've been on the other side with candidates I have not liked, scratching my head wondering how a rally with tens of thousands of people, Greek like pillars and simplistic catch phrases chanting over and over like he's a God doesn't creep people the F out. It's a matter of trying to find that balance where you're wondering if you really are offended by something, or you just WANT to be. There's a lot of "wanting to be" going on with Trump, IMO.

Tucker's Mom said...

He wasn't just telling them to go out and VOTE. He was telling them that they had to VOTE for him and if they didn't "bad things" would happen to them.
March 9, 2016 at 6:34 PM
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OK, he's not Hitler. He's Tony Soprano.
I hope those suckers vote, lest they be swimming with da fishes.
Or, maybe it was a curse. No, Trump's not Hitler, nor is he Tony Soprano. Actually, he's Voldemort with a tan.

Tucker's Mom said...

Maybe this is a New York thing? Born and raised upstate. Our jokes may threaten bodily harm now and again, but they're not serious!
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It could be. I remember when I was young, I'd get bored and contrary. My mom would ask me "what do you want?". I'd respond, "I don't know!".
"How about a punch in the nose?", she'd say.

Funny lady.

KellyAnne said...

Kate is a Twit said...
"
He wasn't just telling them to go out and VOTE. He was telling them that they had to VOTE for him and if they didn't "bad things" would happen to them."
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Exactly. And they are swearing allegiance to him, no matter what. The analogies to Hitler are spot on. Hitler rose to power by playing to the exact same demographic as Trump is. Hitler convinced his followers that he would make Germany great again. Sound familiar?
Once Hitler was elected, he banned criticism of his authority and Trump has vowed to silence his critics.
Maybe, if it was only one appearance where Trump's followers raised their right hands, it could be discounted as spatial physics and camera angles. But, it's not one isolated incident that has caused people to point out similarities.
And I bet there were a lot of people, back when Hitler was rising to power, who voiced concerns about things they saw in him that didn't feel right. And I bet they were accused of hyperbole and told they didn't know what they were talking about. Maybe they were even told that outstretched right arms were attributable to bad camera angles.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

It could be. I remember when I was young, I'd get bored and contrary. My mom would ask me "what do you want?". I'd respond, "I don't know!".
"How about a punch in the nose?", she'd say.

Funny lady.

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Baw! Totally got that.

Another favorite of New York parents when we ask what's for dessert? "Desert the table!"

We would ask in the car, are we there yet are we there yet? And a typical New York Ma would say "Yes, get out." (As car was going 65 mph). It is common to joke and tease in way that may seem a bit more mean spirited than usual, and it's common to joke and tease kids much more aggressively than I notice in CA.

Us New Yorkers, we roll in ways that are perhaps a tad frightening to outsiders.

In all seriousness, the way Trump speaks it not at all foreign to me, does not seem rude, usually, and I easily identify lots of tongue in cheek spits and spats. I'm starting to realize here there are cultural differences that are coming into play and if I'm not mistaken I either saw or heard about a recent article talking about this very thing, about his Brooklyn personality and how some people don't get it at all. Much like someone from Brooklyn probably doesn't "get" someone soft like Kasiach.

FYI said...

It's a matter of trying to find that balance where you're wondering if you really are offended by something, or you just WANT to be. There's a lot of "wanting to be" going on with Trump, IMO.
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Just like there's a lot of "wanting to be" regarding Hillary and Obama? Especially by you?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...



Exactly. And they are swearing allegiance to him, no matter what. The analogies to Hitler are spot on. Hitler rose to power by playing to the exact same demographic as Trump is. Hitler convinced his followers that he would make Germany great again. Sound familiar?


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But for the mass anti-Semitic laws that ruined lives of bonafide citizens before replacing those lives then taking them in one of history's most horrific genocide, sure it's exactly like Hitler.

No, I don't see it actually. An I find the repeated comparisons very disrespectful to the Jewish people and their history. Being isolationist does not make you Hitler. Some of our greatest presidents have been staunch isolationists. It's not a foreign concept, nor is it anti-Semitic or racist.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Just like there's a lot of "wanting to be" regarding Hillary and Obama? Especially by you?




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Not really. The difference is when in 2008 I repeatedly saw Obama mass rallies that did remind me of Hitler rallies, I stopped myself from saying anything or making any such claims, and reasoned with myself that of COURSE Obama is not like Hitler because that's just being ridiculous no matter how much you dislike him. And so did a heck of a lot of other Republicans who were dignified enough not to go there, unlike Trump's haters. Now I think they should have, since the same attacks are being leveled toward their candidates now for the same exact things. But in any case the truth was it was a weird hysterical Obama rally of many, nothing more nothing less. Same for Trump. Any basic sociology textbook explains how easy it is for people to get caught up in a frenzy and the vast majority of times it's harmless. You need only watch a football game to see something that reminds you of the Nazi hysteria, but no one would dare make that comparison because of course it's nonsense.

As for Hillary, I am happy to cite about a dozen reasons why I won't vote for her, and all of them are based on her policy and actions in office, not on hysteria over some loose comparison to Hitler or other things that have no root in who she fundamentally is as a leader.

KellyAnne said...


As for Hillary, I am happy to cite about a dozen reasons why I won't vote for her, and all of them are based on her policy and actions in office, not on hysteria over some loose comparison to Hitler or other things that have no root in who she fundamentally is as a leader.
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That's the part you're not acknowledging. Many of us don't agree with Trump's policies. And, on top of disagreeing with his policies, we see him as a misogynistic, xenophobic, racist, bully. We are concerned about the way he is rallying blind-support based on his misogynistic, xenophobic, racism. He uses bully tactics. If you read a complete rundown of all the lawsuits he has filed the common denominator in all of them is that he sought to silence his critics. In fact, he was even subject to an anti-SLAPP judgment for bringing a malicious suit against a detractor. This is his M-O.
And like the old adage, people who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

KellyAnne said...

KIAT, I just want to say that you're spot on.

SarahK said...

And like the old adage, people who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

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Exactly. And what have we learned from the one who will no doubt be the Democratic candidate? That if one is in the middle of scandals, lie your way through whatever comes your way, shrug your shoulders and say, "Hey, I just didn't know" (the e-mail fiasco). Then, "Well, if it happened, it wasn't intentional," and the Benghazi mess. Geez.

Is that what we really want? My gosh...take a look at the finagling she's done to worm her way out of sticky situations. She appears to be Teflon, just like Kate. History repeating itself, indeed.

Mel said...

People get caught up in a frenzy...and the vast majority of the time it's harmless.

Except that this time the frenzy is electing a president.

Whether the frenzy is for or against Trump, Clinton, or some other candidate, it's scary to have that be the basis for someone's vote, IMO.

Disturbed said...

The one good thing about Trump becoming president is the political cartoons. I can see one now, Trump telling the people he can't send the illegals back to Mexico because they're the only ones we can afford to pay to build The Great Wall of America after Mexico refuses to pay, then proudly announcing his new retraining program for all the unemployed border patrol agents.

If everyone is tired of talking about Trumps offensive Hitler Salute, here's an article about the massive difficulties Trump would face to build that wall he's promised to build--

Can Donald Trump really build 2,000-mile border wall and make Mexico pay for it?

From the article:

President Enrique Pena Nieto said Monday that “there is no scenario” under which Mexico would pay for the wall and likened Trump’s rhetoric to that of Hitler and Mussolini. Former President Vicente Fox put it more bluntly: “I am not going to pay for that f---ing wall.” Both Fox and another former president, Felipe Calderon, have also compared Trump to Hitler.

So there’s diplomatic ill will, a question the Congressional Research Service raised in 2009.

“Do the gains in border security outweigh the risk of alienating Mexico and Canada?” it asked. “Should the Mexican or Canadian government’s opinions or wishes be taken into account when border fencing is concerned? Given the need to coordinate intelligence and law enforcement activities at the border, should maintaining cordial working relationships with Mexico and Canada take precedence over sealing the border with physical barriers?”


Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...



Admin, by your own statements you grew up in Michigan, Pennsylvania and now New York state. I realize that families move, but would you share a timeline of where you lived when? Thanks.



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I've lived in four places.

0-18 upstate New York, a mile from Wegmans! Born and raised. Usually I refer to it here as the Northeast since that includes age 18-22 Pennsylvania too, a time I treasure.

Then about a year in various parts of D.C. metro area then California to present.

I have no idea where you got Michigan from. Never said such a thing.

Disturbed said...

Mel said... 121

With our checks and balances, it's highly unlikely that
76 of Donald Trump's many campaign promises would ever see the light of day. What we'd be left with is a bloviating, rude, egotistical,carny hawker.

What we'd have with Hillary is an experienced, sleazy, untrustworthy politician.

Sad choices to be sure.

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

Or, maybe it was a curse. No, Trump's not Hitler, nor is he Tony Soprano. Actually, he's Voldemort with a tan.

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I thought he was the husband of Kim Davis, and he just put away his Oshkosh overalls for the duration of the campaign.

Ex Nurse said...

Admin said..
I'm surprised more Jewish people don't find it incredibly offensive for people to be compared to Hitler who are nothing like Hitler. It seems like that cheapens Hitler and what the Jewish people went through at the hands of a real murderer. I find it very disrespectful to what happened in Europe for people to make these comparisons.
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Speaking as a Jew, those images are absolutely chilling and reminiscent of Hitler. I have never been an Obama fan, but the visuals I saw were more like seeing the screaming and crying girls at a Beatles concert. It is the way that he directs people to take an oath that makes the difference to me. I am not offended by people using that description--it is very obvious to m that this was intentional. However, it is extremely offensive to hear non-Jewish people make assumptions about how I should feel.

It is possible that this was an unconscious action. It is also possible that his mimicry of the disabled journalist may have been unconscious. Doesn't excuse it and there is no justification for it. It just shows his ignorant bias proves that he is a bully---he gets everyone all worked up and then passes it off as all in good fun. Of course he is not the problem--everyone else is.

fidosmommy said...

Someone upthread mentioned Cabinet members. Jimmy Carter's administration was woefully impeded by his selection of his friends to fill seats. The whole 4 years seemed limp with no one really being a good fit.
Who would Trump select, I wonder? Personal friends or
people he calls from the political dugout?

Ex Nurse said...

Kelly Anne #114...
Excellent post and very well said.

Mel said...

Trump seems to have gotten himself into one mess after another by running his mouth. And he always excuses it saying, oh, I didn't mean it that way, you took it wrong.

Once, sure. But when it's time after time then it's on him.

While I don't think he consciously thinks of these things ahead of time I do think that they clearly reflect his underlying thinking. His boorish biases, his buffoonery. It seems like he runs mouth, thinks later.

He also seems to think he's running for pope. No acknowledgement that as president he can't make unilateral decisions. Maybe he'll fire congress and the supreme court and then he can make unilateral decisions.

And then we have Clinton and all of her issues. And Sanders.

Not happy with any of the choices this time.

Wowser said...

I guess interpretation is everything.....I took trumps remark of vote for me or bad things will happen as....if you don't vote for me and Hillary is president then bad things are going to happen.

Tucker's Mom said...

It is possible that this was an unconscious action. It is also possible that his mimicry of the disabled journalist may have been unconscious.
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I can't compare Trump mimicking palsy to any similar idiosyncrasy he has, so I can't believe he wasn't making fun of the guy.
Trump talked about the reporter and gestured to make fun of his spasticity. I think it might have been subconscious because he's used to no one calling him out and saying "hey, that's inappropriate".
Still not convinced that Trump wanted to create a Nazi-esque tableau. Herd behavior is seen at any rally. It could be gestures or it could be chanting.

Tucker's Mom said...

I thought he was the husband of Kim Davis, and he just put away his Oshkosh overalls for the duration of the campaign.
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Oh, Kimmie. I wonder if Cruz will ask her to endorse him.

TLC stinks said...

People don't have to be fans of Obama to understand that his political rallies IN NO WAY had any resemblance to a Hitler political rally. That's a stretch but understandable from a Trump supporter. Yes, there was a frenzy, like at a concert. Obama was a rock star in 2008. The rally comparison is like comparing apples to oranges...totally different people, totally different rhetoric. Trump brought the Hitler comparison on himself. It's been swirling around for months in editorials and now it's mainstream because it's a visual. He blows it off as having "fun", but for someone who is media savvy, and to do it twice, makes me wonder if he is indeed channeling Hitler.

In regards to Trump's tough northern talk, I completely understand that. It is regional and it has never bothered me. But the profanity, sexual innuendo, bigotry, threats from someone running for president is an embarrassment. It shows no respect for the office. What he says in private is his business, but publicly he needs to show some class, which money doesn't buy apparently. He can talk tough without the expletives and the insults.

Tucker's Mom said...

0-18 upstate New York, a mile from Wegmans! Born and raised. Usually I refer to it here as the Northeast since that includes age 18-22 Pennsylvania too, a time I treasure.
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Upstate NY is so beautiful and I'm thankful the region has given us our Weggies.
Do you feel like California is your home now? Like you're a Californian?

Tucker's Mom said...

Disturbed said... 123
The one good thing about Trump becoming president is the political cartoons.
*****
Not since Tina Fey as Sarah Palin has there been funnier political skits on SNL.
The press conference with Trump and Christie was hilarious.

"Blink twice if you need help!".

TLC stinks said...

NPR fact check on that infamous Trump infomercial in response to Mitt:

http://www.npr.org/2016/03/09/469775355/trump-doesnt-own-most-of-the-products-he-pitched-last-night

TLC stinks said...

Why Trump gets away with his lies:

Trump's mendacity lies in its brazenness. One of the assumptions behind the fact-checking enterprise is that politicians are susceptible to being shamed: If they lie, you can expose the lie and then they'll be less likely to repeat it. After all, nobody wants to be tarred as a liar. But what happens when you're confronted with a politician who is utterly without shame? You can reveal where he's lied, explain all the facts, and try as hard as you can to inoculate the public against his falsehoods. But by the time you've done that, he has already told 10 more lies.

"A little hyperbole never hurts," Trump wrote in The Art of the Deal. "People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular." He seems to believe that what matters isn't the truth, but whether you lie with enough bravado. And so far, he's largely getting away with it.

http://theweek.com/articles/611581/why-donald-trumps-brazen-lies-overwhelm-press

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At least I can take comfort in that if elected, he will be checked by Congress and the Supreme Court.

Tucker's Mom said...

He also seems to think he's running for pope. No acknowledgement that as president he can't make unilateral decisions. Maybe he'll fire congress and the supreme court and then he can make unilateral decisions.
******
I think Trump knows how the office works, and is aware of the different branches of our government. It's his supporters who believe that if Trump says a wall will be built, it's a done deal if he's elected.
That's not at all how it works.

TLC stinks said...

http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2016/03/08/donald-trump-star-taxes-annual-income/

Crain’s New York Business, having decided to stop waiting for Trump to release his tax returns, has instead gone looking through the public record and discovered that Donald Trump is either: lying about how much money he makes per year; or is a very stupid tax fraud. Basically, Trump applied for something called a STAR (short for NY School Tax Relief Program) tax break for his Trump Tower penthouse. OK, fine: problem is, that tax break is supposed to be for couples making less than $500,000 a year. Crain’s included a copy of the tax bill, which indeed shows the STAR rebate ($302); and STAR eligibility is indeed capped for couples making less than $500K year. And if you feel like looking this up for yourself, well, here you go. All in the public record, folks. Ain’t Big Government grand?

FlimsyFlamsy said...

It was announced yesterday that Josh Duggar has been releaesd from his religious rehab. And in what I'm sure is just a complete coincidence in timing, his sisters' new TLC show begins next week.

Even with the passing of Nancy Reagan, the
Duggars secured themselves a corner picture on
the cover of People. Yep, they're not a TV family, just a family that happens to be on TV.
And TLC continues to line the family's pockets,
as well as their own.

Tucker's Mom said...

TLC stinks said... 137
NPR fact check on that infamous Trump infomercial in response to Mitt:

http://www.npr.org/2016/03/09/469775355/trump-doesnt-own-most-of-the-products-he-pitched-last-night

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I read that yesterday!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Ex nurse, you honestly found a photo of people pledging to vote CHILLING? I just don't get it.


Here's a wonderfully thoughtful article written by a Jewish lawyer who finds the comparison unspeakable offensive. Not all Jewish people like the comparison. Some find it deplorable. And he doesn't like Trump either, so it's not like he's just saying this to support Trump:

In part: "With increasing frequency, commentators and Facebook philosophers have taken to comparing Donald Trump to Hitler; they should stop. Donald Trump is awful--he's racist, he's Islamophobic, he's a bigot, he's an idiot--but he isn't Hitler.

These repeated comparisons are as ignorant of history as they are offensive to those of us who lost ancestors in the Holocaust. Trump's ideology is substantively different than that espoused by Hitler. Trump is less likely to win than Hitler was. And if Trump wins, the result will not be the same as Hitler's regime."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/noah-baron/donald-trump-isnt-hitler_b_8751676.html


Well said.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Do you feel like California is your home now? Like you're a Californian?


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I feel like a dual citizen. At home in CA but still feel right at home when I visit NY about once a year.

Culturally there's a lot about CA that will never be me, so I think at my heart I'm always an upstater.

Tucker's Mom said...

Even with the passing of Nancy Reagan, the
Duggars secured themselves a corner picture on
the cover of People. Yep, they're not a TV family, just a family that happens to be on TV.
And TLC continues to line the family's pockets,
as well as their own.
*****
I'm betting there was much gnashing of teeth when the Duggars saw they weren't front and center, writ large.
I'm sure that TLC is very, very carefully orchestrating Josh's re-entry into the public and on the show. I'm betting they can get Josh back onto the show, and the crazy fans will remain tuned in.

TLC stinks said...

Admin, did you read the comments to Noah Baron's blog which was written Dec. 2015 before the pledging? There was blowback from commenters. Here's one from CA:

As much as I cannot speak to the fact that the comparison may be hurtful to people whos families were affected by the haulocaust, this opinion piece seems to entirely ignore an important side of the issue. Trump's rhetoric regarding muslims is remarkably similar to Hitler's regarding Jews, and both gained their initial political support through the promotion of a fear-based estrangement of the other culture. Yes, the focus on Islam is less racial than it is religious, but so what? Ultimately the focus in both situations is/was on the cultural differences that can be emphasized and contrasted so as to foster an us v. them mentality. Both figures used that mentality to auspiciously promote the goal of making their respective nation 'great again,' and in both situations this focus was primarily economic. And of course the historical settings aren't exactly the same. We are in a 21st century democracy. But again, so what? Does this mean that we shouldn't be concerned by Trump's blatant xenophobia? The fact that Trump hasn't had the opportunity to act on his "policies" should not preclude people from drawing speculative analogies.
Your overall takeaway seems to be that the comparison is ill-informed. More important than your analysis, is the fact that this conclusion cuts against the very reason we teach history and social studies in school - so that we don't repeat the same political and sociological mistakes that others have made in the past. Dismissing the comparison at face value is missing the point. We SHOULD see the issues for what they are and head them off at the pass, as an informed, 21st century democracy should be expected to do.
Like · Reply · Mark as spam · 6 · Dec 10, 2015 1:07am · Edited

Other commenters said that nobody is saying Trump is Hitler, just that he is Hitler-like.

Last night Trump said to Anderson Cooper:

...that he thinks "Islam hates us," drawing little distinction between the religion and radical Islamic terrorism.

"I think Islam hates us," Trump told CNN's Anderson Cooper, deploring the "tremendous hatred" that he said partly defined the religion. He maintained the war was against radical Islam, but said, "it's very hard to define. It's very hard to separate. Because you don't know who's who."

Oh and this little gem from a 2011 CBN interview:

The Quran is very interesting. A lot of people say it teaches love … But there’s something there that teaches some very negative vibe … Now I don’t know if that’s from the Quran. I don’t know if that’s from someplace else. But there’s tremendous hatred out there that I’ve never seen anything like it.

Read more: http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/video-resurfaces-donald-trumps-views-on-the-muslim-problem-whoa/#ixzz42Vql8fg3

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Tucker's Mom (#145), oh yeah, I think TLC will have Josh back on the show. As long as they have soft piano music tinkling in the background, and
a grim narrator announcing that it's a Very Special Episode, and the newly-jolly Duggars all have frowny faces showing how serious this is,
I think he'll be brought back into the fold.

Heck, I wouldn't put it past TLC to give Josh
and Anna their own show, too. As long as Josh says what everyone wants to hear: he's sorry, he's a new man, he's got a second chance, etc.
TLC wants eyeballs, and they don't give half a darn how they get them.

KellyAnne said...

TLC stinks said... 146
"Other commenters said that nobody is saying Trump is Hitler, just that he is Hitler-like."
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Right. No one is saying he is Hitler. But he seems to be taking pages from the playbook of 'how to rise to power based on hate-driven hyperbole'.

Hitler didn't rise to power by overthrowing a government and announcing he was going to commit genocide. He rose to power by rallying support of the working class who were dissatisfied with their government. Sound familiar?

I think one of (and there are so many to chose from) Trump's scariest statements was that he intends to go after the families of Muslims. How does that not directly channel what Hitler did when he rounded up Jewish infants and children? Hitler punished the families who were Jewish. Trump claims to want to do the same to Muslims.
Hitler wasn't stopped, until it was too late, because well-meaning people discounted the things he was saying. We shouldn't be so blind as to dismiss what could be warning signs in Trump.
And, just because I don't support Trump doesn't mean that, by default, I support Hillary.

Ex Nurse said...

Admin said..
Ex nurse, you honestly found a photo of people pledging to vote CHILLING? I just don't get it.
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Try googling holocaust survivors and Trump and read what they have to say--- I guess they didn't get the memo, either. One of the ways Hitler succeeded was because no one spoke out about all of the little things that ended up with being gassed in ovens.

Thanks for enlightening me on the correct way to interpret my personal Jewish experience, and that my visceral response if just wrong. Too bad holocaust survivors don't read here.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

The point being it's not just non-Jews trying to tell Jews how to feel, as ex nurse implied. In fact many Jewish people are terribly offended by the comprison to Hitler. Why are their feelings not valid? They are.

Tucker's Mom said...

Heck, I wouldn't put it past TLC to give Josh
and Anna their own show, too. As long as Josh says what everyone wants to hear: he's sorry, he's a new man, he's got a second chance, etc.
TLC wants eyeballs, and they don't give half a darn how they get them.
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Add something about how this is their "mission work", spreading the word of Jesus and forgiveness, blah blah blah.

I wonder if the Duggars are officially picked up as a series? Has TLC ever recognized K+8 as one of their series again? I don't recall Kate's show ever being announced as picked up again.
Just "specials".

How long is the kids' Spring break? I hope they got some vacation time with Jon.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Has anyone here compared one of our greatest presidents FDR to Hitler? He sanctioned the incarceration of thousands of innocent Japanese Americans including women and children purely because of their race, instituted an isolationist policy refusing to allow hardly any Jewish people to come to the US resulting in their certain deaths, ran a downright socialist New Deal, and even though he knew the exact locations of numerous death camps, wouldn't destory them.

Yeah, I didn't think so. Double standard.

Disturbed said...

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 152
Has anyone here compared one of our greatest presidents FDR to Hitler? He sanctioned the incarceration of thousands of innocent Japanese Americans including women and children purely because of their race, instituted an isolationist policy refusing to allow hardly any Jewish people to come to the US resulting in their certain deaths, ran a downright socialist New Deal, and even though he knew the exact locations of numerous death camps, wouldn't destory them.
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Last time I checked, FDR isn't running for President. There are a lot of articles about comparing him to Hitler at the time though.

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=franklin%20roosevelt%20compared%20to%20hitler

TLC stinks said...

FDR didn't gas them.

Math Girl said...

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 150

The point being it's not just non-Jews trying to tell Jews how to feel, as ex nurse implied. In fact many Jewish people are terribly offended by the comprison to Hitler. Why are their feelings not valid? They are.
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Let me get this straight. When people are offended by Trump's shenanigans (see Kelly Ann for details), they're just being thin-skinned and politically correct. But when some people are offended (and some not) but Trump's critics, then the critics should just STFU?

Okay......

KellyAnne said...

Regarding FDR's "downright socialist New Deal" it brought us out of a downright devastating Depression. And many of the programs that FDR initiated still exist today, having gone through a myriad of Republican Presidential terms. If those programs, such as FDIC, SEC and Social Security, were so socialist why haven't they been eliminated? Certainly a good Republican would see the damage socialist programs create and abolish them.

Lanc Native said...

Thanks for enlightening me on the correct way to interpret my personal Jewish experience, and that my visceral response if just wrong. Too bad holocaust survivors don't read here.

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They might not read here, but I did talk to the grandfather of a local tailor who did survive that time. I have known the family for quite some time. I was curious about his reaction to all of this. What was surprising is that he doesn't dislike Trump and he is not offended by him, but rather by the people who compare him to Hitler. It seems like you have people on both sides of the coin.

Formerly Duped said...

I am a dual US/Canadian. VERY different cultures despite many similarities!

JM said...

I found this posted on twitter yesterday ....
@****** 22h22 hours ago New Orleans, LA
I JUST MET KATE GOSELIN AND HER KIDS FROM JOHN & KATE PLUS 8!!!
From reading this girl's twitter feed, she is on spring break in New Orleans.
Don't know if its legit sighting or not.

Tucker's Mom said...

JM said... 158
I found this posted on twitter yesterday ....
@****** 22h22 hours ago New Orleans, LA
I JUST MET KATE GOSELIN AND HER KIDS FROM JOHN & KATE PLUS 8!!!
From reading this girl's twitter feed, she is on spring break in New Orleans.
Don't know if its legit sighting or not.
******
Sounds more legit than not since she met the kids, too. Wow, another bucket list trip from TLC.
Maybe they're rebuilding houses after Katrina.
Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh.

TLC stinks said...

http://www.ibtimes.com/trump-muslim-ban-fdrs-japanese-internment-camps-how-anti-islam-debate-compares-2218243

But in some ways Trump’s remarks go further than Roosevelt’s wartime policies. Eric Muller, a law professor at the University of North Carolina Chapel Hill, noted that while the precedents set by Roosevelt make it legal for a president to take actions against nationals from enemy nations, Islam is not a country.

"He in a sense is saying we are at war with Islam, and therefore he wants to claim the authority to take action against anybody who is of Muslim faith," Muller said. "Those precedents, about Italian, German and Japanese aliens, they're not relevant to that."

JM said...

Tucker's Mom .... maybe they'll try to fit that in once they see your suggestion! Ha Ha!

Blowing In The Wind said...

I'm just waiting for Trump to be compared to Jim Jones or Charlie Manson or some other cult. He will do or say something, and someone will connect some nebulous dots, see what they want to see, and they will be calling his supporters Branch Donaldians or Moonies. Sun Myung Donald.

Tucker's Mom said...

Blowing In The Wind said... 162
I'm just waiting for Trump to be compared to Jim Jones or Charlie Manson or some other cult. He will do or say something, and someone will connect some nebulous dots, see what they want to see, and they will be calling his supporters Branch Donaldians or Moonies. Sun Myung Donald.
March 10, 2016 at 9:55 AM
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I hope Trump's supporters don't begin to don Nikes! is there a comet coming?
Look out!
(now that would be bad!)

Tucker's Mom said...

I find it very interesting indeed how much K+8 filming is done outside of PA. Hmm?

capecodmama said...

With regard to Trump's hand raising and pledge...if you're a Trump supporter, you see it one way. .if you're not a Trump supporter, you see it another way. Neither side will ever agree so can we please move on.

prairiemary said...

Maybe tfw has got herself a butt implant & lipo on her thighs, and needs lots of time to heal from it all?

Rainbowsandunicorns said...

With regard to Trump's hand raising and pledge...if you're a Trump supporter, you see it one way. .if you're not a Trump supporter, you see it another way.

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Yes, and such is life. Moreover, if you are Jewish, some are offended. If you are Jewish, some aren't offended. One can argue this until the cows come home, and you will see what you want to see.

The same goes for Hillary and her statement that nothing will come of the e-mail investigation, claiming that she will not be indicted so she's not worrying about it and neither should her supporters. She said, "It's not going to happen." Sometimes, before making such a comment you want to make sure you don't come off as being so cocksure of yourself or might have to eat your words. Supporters see it one way, that she will get out of this with not even a slap on her wrist (and they are probably right), while others, like Judge Napolitano, claim that it will not go away.

http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/judge-napolitano-hillarys-email-scandal-is-now-a-grave-legal-problem/

TLC stinks said...

Kate in New Orleans. Good food there but humid as hell. Wonder if she'll go fishing again? And screech at crawfish! I guess they'll lie that they were there during her birthday. Oh well. Another birthday vacay. Yawn.

Mel said...

Kate in New Orleans.

And thus the lack of tweeting, eh?

jamezvader1194 said...

@TLC stinks Im still hoping your belief that TLC is giving Kate 1 more season is true.In fact,now that the duggars are back and TLC has new shows on their line up.Im guessing TLC is going to take a look at how well the duggars rating do compared to Kate's.I really don't see TLC filming Kate in a few years from now,especially IF her view count goes even lower from last season.Again im Hoping

Over In TFW's County said...

So, what's the best way to boil an egg? ;)

http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2016/03/08/this-is-best-way-to-boil-egg/

Jeanne said...

I wouldn't be surprised if the trip to New Orleans is real. Kate has been so quiet you know she's been getting the ego satisfaction she wants. They gave her a trip and filming. I'm more surprised it wasn't Mardi Gras so she could show off those "good bra" boobies and collect beads. Poor kids will come back to school from spring break all exhausted.

Over In TFW's County said...

Kate in New Orleans.

And thus the lack of tweeting, eh?

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She probably thought she'd run off to somewhere in the sunny south, but it's warmer here than it is there!

Is Gladys with her?

Jane said...

I wouldn't be at all surprised if Kate and kids are doing a Habitat for Humanity type program. And filming it, of course. Didn't someone once mention that the kids have to do community service?

Tucker's Mom said...

capecodmama said... 166
With regard to Trump's hand raising and pledge...if you're a Trump supporter, you see it one way. .if you're not a Trump supporter, you see it another way.
*******
Or, you can not be for Trump, yet not hold the position of his detractors on all things.

scgal said...

This is another article about Trump in the Huffington Post by Robert Reich. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-reich/the-american-fascist_b_9421894.html

capecodmama said...

Tucker s Mom...true

jolie Jacquelyn said...

capecodmama said... 166
With regard to Trump's hand raising and pledge...if you're a Trump supporter, you see it one way. .if you're not a Trump supporter, you see it another way. Neither side will ever agree so can we please move on.

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Sheesh, 8 more months of this? Kate - do something stupid, please!

No one's mind is going to be changed. Hurt feelings & a drop in this blog's posters is what I don't want to see happening. :(

Midnight Madness said...

Let me get this straight. When people are offended by Trump's shenanigans (see Kelly Ann for details), they're just being thin-skinned and politically correct. But when some people are offended (and some not) but Trump's critics, then the critics should just STFU?

Okay......

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I didn't understand it like this at all, but then again, I'm not paying much attention to this whole thing. It's always been like this during election years and as long as candidates open their mouths, some will always be offended in one way or the other. It's the nature of the political beast.

I just listened to an interview with an elderly Jewish man who is mortified at the Trump haters for taking issue with this salute. He said that unless one lived through the Hitler period of history, there is nothing, absolutely NOTHING that can be compared to it. His feelings are that those who find this "Hitler salute" offensive are trivializing what really happened under Hitler's regime. He had tears rolling down his face as he talked about the murder of his family.

Kate in Louisiana? There were photos on the national news about the evacuations they are having there. The flooding has been really bad. I don't know in what area it is, but they are really getting hit, and New Orleans will see heavy rain for the next few days. If the report of her little vacation there is correct and they are filming, I hope they are doing it inside.

PatK said...

New Orleans, huh? I wonder where else they were sent for spring break filming, courtesy of TLC? Has to be an exotic beach locale in there somewhere, right? 'Cause there's just never enough shows of them frolicking on a beach somewhere. And let me guess...Deanna and Marley are with them also. smh

TLC stinks said...

The kids started spring break on the 4th and don't go back to school until the 15th. Then there is a short Easter break where she will squeeze in filming of course. Those kids just don't get to relax. I've always wondered if Jon gets to make up his custody time. Probably not.

Very disappointing that TLC continues this format of vacations for their "talent", because these are not vacations at all. Just how many times do people want to watch Kate and her kids pack for a trip that Kate will explain was all her idea?

TLC stinks said...

There's Gulfport MS nearby. Gotta show off that bikini bod.

TLC stinks said...

I forgot about the epic rain there. New Orleans must be a wet, warm mess.

Tucker's Mom said...

PatK said... 181
New Orleans, huh? I wonder where else they were sent for spring break filming, courtesy of TLC? Has to be an exotic beach locale in there somewhere, right? 'Cause there's just never enough shows of them frolicking on a beach somewhere. And let me guess...Deanna and Marley are with them also. smh
*****
Maybe Kate will reunite with Emeril in his restaurant. Then, the kids can catch crawdaddies and release them back!
But seriously, what is up with TLC paying for all these lavish vacations? They go on so many trips, it makes one's head spin. Yet, I bet Kate will moan about how hard they all have it and how they deserve to get away.
I also don't get how Kate can usurp so many of Jon's visitation days.

JM said...

I thought maybe they were doing a crossover episode with Swamp People but that show isn't on a discovery channel !!

Leslie said...

I was in my doctor's office today and picked up People magazine. Amy Duggar and her new husband was on the COVER. The COVER! WTF? I mean what did she do and a big so what if she is a cousin of the Duggars. The article was very boring. The only interesting thing at all was she was not a virgin at the time of her marriage but she didn't have pre-martial sex with her husband.

fidosmommy said...

she was not a virgin at the time of her marriage but she didn't have pre-martial sex with her husband.

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The world just HAD to know that, right?

Tucker's Mom said...

The only interesting thing at all was she was not a virgin at the time of her marriage but she didn't have pre-martial sex with her husband.
*****
Uh huh.

Math Girl said...

fidosmommy said... 188

The world just HAD to know that, right?
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The time I wish we had a "like" button on this blog.

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

fidosmommy said... 188

The world just HAD to know that, right?
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The time I wish we had a "like" button on this blog.

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At least now I know that I won't have to take Unisom to get to sleep tonight. "Was she, or wasn't she" was the primary cause of my insomnia.

I wouldn't recognize Amy Duggar if I fell over her. Come to think about it, the same can be said about the Duggar girls. Who is the one with the bee-stung lips?

Dmasy said...

I am watching House of Cards. I just came up for some air and a cold drink.

Wow.

Jane said...

Dmasy, I finished it yesterday and wonder if it jumped the shark. Terrific acting but the story line??

fidosmommy said...

...Duggar girls. Who is the one with the bee-stung lips?

*******
I think she's the one whose name starts with J.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Fidosmommy (#194), that was hilarious!

Sherri said...

Sheesh, 8 more months of this? Kate - do something stupid, please!

No one's mind is going to be changed. Hurt feelings & a drop in this blog's posters is what I don't want to see happening. :(

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i so agree!
I've noticed a number of regular poster's names and their comments missing the past few weeks and I think it's due to the increasing ugly political back and forth sniping on the blog. I hope it's not too late for some of the posters to want to come back.

8 more months with the same tone of the comments recently feel better suited to a political or election blog (but I understand and agree the blog subjects are Admin's to decide). I can also understand if or why some feel this isn't the climate they want to experience when visiting here.

KellyAnne said...

TLC stinks said... 183

There's Gulfport MS nearby. Gotta show off that bikini bod.
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We go to Gulfport a few times a year. So much of it was lost in Katrina and hasn't been rebuilt. There are as many empty beachfront lots as there are with homes that survived or have been rebuilt. The dunes have been totally destroyed twice in the past few years and last year was the 1st time in a while that the beaches have looked "beachy" again.
Also, the beaches are never crowded, like Pensacola or Gulf Shores, which is the main reason we love it. But there are virtually no waves along the entire MS coast because of the barrier islands, so the G kids wouldn't have their surfing adventures. And there wouldn't be throngs of people to ogle Kate's rockin bod, so how would Steve earn his keep?

fidosmommy said...

It's a rare political discussion where it doesn't devolve into the opponent being dubbed an idiot in one way or another. And sadder still, it can too often become a case of getting the last word or carrying the discussion past its useful point out of sheer stubborness. Believe me, I've lived with stubborn last-worders, and I've had to go outside to breathe in some fresh air.

Susie Cincinnati said...

I've noticed a number of regular poster's names and their comments missing the past few weeks and I think it's due to the increasing ugly political back and forth sniping on the blog. I hope it's not too late for some of the posters to want to come back.

8 more months with the same tone of the comments recently feel better suited to a political or election blog (but I understand and agree the blog subjects are Admin's to decide). I can also understand if or why some feel this isn't the climate they want to experience when visiting here.

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Yes. I kind of checked out after the comment that you're smoking crack if you vote for Trump, and then after post #114. I'm not happy with either candidate, but I really don't care for the back and forth innuendos (and sometimes insults).

PatK said...

How soon will the sextuplets demand that THEY be allowed to take friends along on these "vacations" like C & M? Wouldn't that be a hoot if they refuse to film if she (and TLC) say no? No wonder so many trips are being crammed in now--before a six-pack revolution. lol

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