Sunday, February 16, 2014

Recap: Couples Therapy episode 7, a cone without an ice cream scoop

Last time on Couples Therapy, Dr. Jenn called Liz out for calling Jon a pussy. Ratings won out over therapeutic ethics and respect for a good person's feelings, so Dr. Jenn brought in Wu-Tang's other woman on the side to meet Kelsey. Or as we soon realized it's actually Kelsey who is on the side. They're both just side dishes really.

Coming up, Latrice and Kelsey bond over what a pig their mutual boyfriend is. Sada and Duck Lips tell it like it is to Jon. God, I hate that I agree with Duck Lips. I thought the world would turn round the other way on its axis before that would ever happen but here we are.

As I remarked last time, I had just noticed that Kelsey's earrings are giant safety pins. Now that I see them up close, I see they even have diamonds on them. It's a little hard to take her seriously when those safety pins are swinging back and forth.

Kelsey storms out of therapy and you know who immediately gets up and goes to comfort her? Duck Lips of all people. She even leaves the side of her fiancé, you know the one who's always too hot, to go tend to the poor girl.

You know for many former stars, trying to do a comeback on reality T.V. just hurts them. In particular, I had had all good ideas about Dionne Warwick, I would even sometimes hum "That's What Friends are For" in the shower, that is until she went on Celebrity Apprentice. She was just mean. A real bully. And lazy. All in all I would not want to be her friend. And then there are people who go on reality T.V. and they end up being super cool, likable, and hard-working, and their stint on reality T.V. only serves to boost their image. I'm thinking Kelly Osbourne or Nancy Grace on Dancing With the Stars, both of whom were really hard to hate when they went on that show. Well, Duck Lips is doing some pretty darn fine rehabilitation the past several episodes. Before, I thought she was a fool and a duck. Now I think she's still a fool and a duck, but a nice fool and a friendly duck.

Dr. Jenn goes to her too and basically implies that Kelsey needs to leave Wu-Tang, it's over at this point. This is why Kelsey has a beautiful heart. She says she feels bad for Latrice sort of being in the same position she is in. Who, when they are faced with such a terrible situation, is concerned with how the other woman feels about it? Kelsey, that's who.

Latrice and Wu-Tang are still back in the therapy room. The look on Latrice's face suggests she's a pretty sharp tool in the shed. She says given Kelsey's emotional reaction, you, Wu-Tang, must have said some pretty deep stuff to her.

"I tell her what I tell her," Wu-Tang says. "She got caught up." Pig. Tool. Pig with tools.


Dr. Jenn comes back. She's so pissed. When she's this pissed, she tends to suck her collagen lips in all the way and purses them. It's quite interesting to watch, it looks like she has a giant wad of cotton in her mouth. She tells Wu-Tang that Kelsey is very hurt, and that Kelsey and Latrice need to talk alone.

Kelsey says she wants Latrice to understand that Wu-Tang lead her to believe that he was very serious about her, and that this is some real bullshit. Latrice agrees. Ha. Women will claw each other's eyes out one moment but the second they realize that they both got played by the same man, they're thicker than thieves. The ex-girlfriends club is always fun.

Kelsey, you are someone to admire. She actually wants to apologize to Latrice because she's sure Latrice is hurt. Even though none of this was Kelsey's fault. Wu-Tang should be apologizing, but I'm guessing Kelsey knows he probably won't or if he does it won't be sincere. And this is why that old adage don't judge someone by how they look often rings so true. Kelsey has some kind of bleached out mohawk, a tattoo behind her ear, some other purple spear-like thing stuck through her ear, and giant safety pin earrings. I'm sure our grandmothers would cringe and lead us in the other direction if we encountered her on the street, praying for her as we go. Yet she has one of the kindest, most empathetic souls I've ever seen. You think you're praying for her when really she was praying for you and wishing you health, happiness and prosperity long before you ever thought to do the same for her.

It's important to Kelsey to point out that if she had any inclination Latrice was around she would not have been with him, period. Latrice is upset in her own right. Kelsey tells her that just like she's been learning, crumbs of his love are not enough, you deserve better. Latrice is not sure she can get past this and trust him.

"You ain't gotta worry about me and him no more, that's for damn sure," Kelsey says. Oh thank God for that.

Wu-Tang is outside, head in hands. The future is grim for his relationship with Kelsey. Look, she just fell for me too quick and before he knew it he had some kind of emotionally invested in-love woman on his hands, he explains. What the hell? Why does he keep acting like this was some kind of whirlwind romance Danny Bonaduce style? It wasn't at all. They've been dating a year! And it's not like Kelsey is talking his ear off about marriage or having kids. Geez, a year of dating is a lifetime in Hollywood. In a year the rest of folks like him have already been engaged, broken off the engagement, and now gotten back together and are pregnant due this summer.

Commercials, we're back and Duck Lips is checking in on Kelsey again. Aw, she's very sad for her. Duck Lips is in general an emotional basket case, but I wouldn't say this is behavior typical of a narcissist. It's actually quite selfless. Kelsey reiterates that she's not going to sit around waiting for Wu-Tang to choose, she's done.

Kelsey takes the very wise step of sleeping on the couch that night.

The next day, Wu-Tang sits down with Sarah, one of the resident counselors Dr. Jenn always passes off the work she doesn't want to do, like when Duck Lips and her fiancé were hot.

He says he's never had issues with women like this before. Yeah because you kept it all a big secret from everyone so no one knew they should be upset! Wu-Tang says this blew up in his face like a cigar. Like a cigar? Cigars explode? What kind of cigars is he smoking?



In the evening Dr. Jenn sits down with the group for a "fun activity." Oh, potato sack racing? Hula hooping? She says Teen Duck Lips was oh so very "brave" to do therapy by herself. Oh good grief, this kind of coddling and endless pats on the back is not what Teen Duck Lips needs. I like Duck Lips's no-nonsense approach, basically telling Teen Duck Lips she's f--ed up and that's all there is to it. Ha.

Sarah Gooding and Dr. Steve Oldridge of the online dating site Plenty of Fish are there.

Now, before you are fooled into thinking this is some kind of legitimate endeavor, let's talk about Plenty of Fish. Plenty of Fish was started by a recent college grad and computer nerd named Markus Frind from Canada. He was bored with his day job and thought he could make a boatload of money off an online dating site by making it free but just supporting it with Google's Adsense ads (the same ads we use here on realitytvkids.com). His plan worked. He made millions. He is one of Adsense's greatest "success stories." He boasts that he only really has to work an hour a day on the site. But because it's free, you get what you pay for, and the site has an absolutely terrible reputation for attracting cheaters (a cheater can't have his wife finding Eharmony.com on the family credit card), losers and freaks, and even being so dangerous law enforcement has issued warnings about it. Anyone who finds their future husband or wife on there usually makes up a story about how they met at the gym or reaching for the same jar of pickles at Safeway.



This so-called doctor, Steve Oldridge, is not a doctor in psychology, or sociology, or anthropology, you know something that might remotely qualify him to dissect a stranger's relationship. His doctorate is in electrical and computer engineering, which is probably why Plenty of Fish hired him, because they needed an egghead and statistician to run a web site and make them more money, not Dr. Drew to hold someone's hand. Sarah Gooding just does public relations for the site, so she's no expert. This is just a cross promotion endeavor that has some serious ethical implications that I doubt anyone considered.

Point being, Plenty of Fish is not qualified to analyze a relationship, are not qualified to offer therapeutic type services or understand the ethical obligations of such things, and in my opinion should not present themselves as so qualified. They are qualified to make money off people's need for companionship or sex, nothing more. At least Dr. Jenn said this is just supposed to be a fun game, but in what follows obviously Jon did not take it that way. I wish he knew more about Plenty of Fish before going in.

They pass out tablets for everyone to fill out Plenty of Fish's compatibility survey. Jon already is annoyed by this "game," saying he doesn't need to fill out a dating profile when he already is with his girlfriend. Fair point. The lesbians and Duck Lips just see it as something fun as women tend to see surveys like this. Most of us grew up with Seventeen and know that relationship surveys are just a part of a healthy lifestyle! I think it's mean to make Kelsey and Wu-Tang fill this out when she already said their relationship is over.

Obviously Teen Duck Lips can't fill out a compatibility quiz with a nonexistent boyfriend, LOLOL, so Dr. Jenn has the brilliant idea to make her set up an online profile and go on a date so Dr. Jenn can analyze the date. Oh that's great, I love it and cannot wait. Can they bring her parents in too? The music they are playing is by Switchfoot, which is absolutely one of the greatest most under appreciated bands of the past ten years. They sound like Third Eye Blind only more talented. If you've missed them they have nine albums out, so you can binge listen.

Commercials, and I flip to the Olympics. I'm worried about Bob Costas. If Russia's medical care is anything like their hotel rooms I'd be nervous. Now his infection has spread to both eyes, and it's so bad he's been off the past several nights and that stupid Meredith Vieira "reporter" is filling in. Remember her infamous interview with Kate Gosselin years ago, where Kate cried tearless tears as she explained she had a purse full of bills, Jon took all her money, and that she couldn't even sleep at night?, poor thing. Meredith couldn't ask a follow up question if her life depended on it, like if Jon took all your money why are you in the McMansion and kids in an elite private school, and you fluttering off to NYC for hair extensions every three weeks leaving the kids with a nanny? Is that the behavior of someone whose husband stole all their money and can't even sleep at night? And shouldn't this be a dispute that should be settled by a judge in private, not the court of public opinion?


Day 14, and the Plenty of Fish hacks analyze the compatibility quizzes. Duck Lips and her fiancé are compatible. I think if you are both hot or cold at the same time, that's a good sign you can have a long and happy marriage. There's really nothing worse than fighting over the thermostat every evening.

Kelsey and Wu-Tang are incompatible. Ha, thanks for the reminder, says Kelsey.

The Plenty of Fish hack Gooding says that Teen Duck Lips shouldn't say she wants to get married on her profile because that comes on too strong. I think that's rubbish and that they don't know what they're talking about. I don't buy this crap about that scaring guys off. If a man is scared off because you simply say that you'd like to get married someday, then you don't need him in the first place. A good man will appreciate your honesty and prefer knowing where you'd like to go in the relationship before you're head over heels in love but he was never interested in settling down. Besides, I think Teen Duck Lips has a moral obligation to disclose that she is looking to put a ring on it because any man who does will also be signing up for this woman as their mother-in-law.



The lesbians are compatible, obviously. They're great together. The only reason Whitney rated high in avoiding temptations is because she thought the question meant are you good at saying no to a nice big delicious bowl of melting ice cream. Ha.


Note: This is a stock photo of ice cream. I did not make it or photograph it!

The egghead is very cute for an egghead.

On to Jon and Liz. Egghead says being divorced and having kids can make it less likely to form a successful relationship. What's he basing that on? As the folks here would say, "link please!" Statistics/links actually show the majority of people who get divorced end up getting married successfully again, some pegging it as high as 80%. Of those who do remarry most report high levels of satisfaction in the new marriage as opposed to those who don't remarry. Regardless who he is talking about, so much out of these POF people's mouths seems just flat out made up out of nowhere and it's really getting annoying. You can't just say whatever about something as personal as someone's relationship without knowing what you're talking about, at least I don't think it's right that you should.

Liz and Jon rated low in "family orientation" whatever that means, and that suggests they may feels constrained by their kids. Liz makes a big face and says that's nonsense, what the f-ity f, dude! While they have eleven kids between them and of course that's hard at times, family is huge to them, they're both family oriented, she explains. I wonder if the "family orientation" questions were like the question Whitney thought was about ice cream, like if you were a tree what tree would you be? And if you say willow that means you aren't "family oriented" because it blows around in the breeze a lot.

The have drinking and smoking in common, which actually is a good thing because it's hard for those who choose to abstain to be with someone who does not. This annoys Liz that this is the only positive thing they said about them. Ultimately the POF people say they're incompatible.

Gooding and Egghead admit that the test can't measure chemistry and that some couples like them on their site do just fine, but it's more rare. Jon says he doesn't need a computer to tell him how he feels about Liz. Heck, if he can hack as good as Kate thinks, he should be working for Plenty of Fish, fire Egghead there and put Jon in his spot.

Jon and Liz talk about the test afterward. Liz seems upset too but tries to remind Jon it was just a game. I think Jon hits the nail on the head when he says this reminds him of being on T.V. before, where he would sort of be "set up." I think that is a very fair statement, as I firmly believe that TLC manipulated the situation to an incredible degree, especially financially, to paint Kate as the long-suffering wife and he the bad guy, and ensure that the person who had no problem with filming the crap out of the little money makers just coincidentally happened to get awarded custody, wouldn't ya know it! There is no question about this to me. After finally seeing this scene myself, I think the crux of why Jon is upset is because it's bringing up demons in his past he has never dealt with in a healthy manner. I doubt TLC ever apologized to him for what they did, and I doubt he's really confronted them about it so he could sort of get some closure with it. The POF folks touched a nerve, and his gut reaction is to just call his manager, leave the show and be done with it (although to be fair, he never does call his manager or leave the show, he simply said that's what he felt like doing. There's a difference). I don't, however, think this POF test was a set up. Designed to cause conflict, yes. Deliberately manipulating test results, no. It was a dumb test given by people who are not qualified to give it and Jon and Liz happened to flunk and that's it.

Dr. Jenn comes out to talk to Jon. He says Dr. Jenn was endorsing something bogus. Dr. Jenn said it wasn't a set up, it was just supposed to be fun, scout's honor. She would go "ballistic" if such a thing ever happened, goodness me. She would never allow anything "fake" on her show!

Why do I get a feeling this is also her version of a "rebuttal" to Teen Duck Lip's friend? How sneaky of her. Teen Duck Lips's friend said the whole show was prepared to bring him on and "pretend" he was Teen Duck Lips's boyfriend when he was not, and he even has the emails from them to prove it.  This is pretty much what a fake set up is, so I think the lady doth protest too much.

Liz is so upset she's in tears. Duck Lips and the lesbians all admit regardless of the silly test, forget the test, their own personal observations are that Jon and Liz aren't right for each other. This is not unlike what many viewers here have said, and obviously we're not trying to set anyone up, so I don't think anyone is saying this just to screw with them. I think for most people this sort of thing is being said out of concern for Jon and wanting what's best for a guy we've come to sort of "know" through the years via our T.V. sets and wanting what's best for the parents of children we've also come to care about.

Dr. Jenn actually does a pretty good job talking Jon back down. She says hey let's focus on the many areas you are compatible, and we'll give time to the areas you're not compatible, and you both have come so far already. That seems to reassure Jon and he calms down almost immediately. He admits he overreacted, and he says he does feel he's in a safe environment and is comfortable talking to Dr. Jenn. He apologizes to Dr. Jenn and thanks her, and Dr. Jenn is gracious enough to tell him no apology is necessary. That was nice. I give her credit for being patient but persistent with him.

Commercials, and I never thought a Dominos commercial would make me cry. It's about how you might think your pizza maker is just a punk kid but a lot of them are doing really great things when they're not making pizzas, like working on beautiful artwork. It's a commercial about not looking down on someone based on just what you see or where they work, which society seems to need constant reminders about. 



We're back, and I guess now this is couples therapy for Wu-Tang and Latrice? Heh. Dr. Jenn meets with the couple.

Kelsey says she can't be mad at Latrice because Latrice is in the same shoes that Kelsey is in. This woman has more insight that most women twice her age. This made me curious who she is and how she could possibly be so introspective at such a young age. There isn't much about her since she's a relative unknown talent, but I did find this interview with her where she talks about her childhood growing up in Indiana:

"I grew up a middle child of 10 kids we moved around a lot, I was a girl that came from a small city with a huge imagination. Growing up at first was a little challenging. I was bullied pretty badly in 5th grade which changed me a lot. So by the time I got to middle school and high school. I was already making a name for myself. I was a cheerleader and a pretty good student with a 3.0 GPA. I was very popular. However I still had my troubles and challenges here and there like being pregnant in high school but I didnt let that stop me it only made me go harder."

So we know she came from a big family with lots of kids in small town America, which explains her genuine personality, ability to work so well with others and her empathy for Jon and Liz's big family. We also know she was fairly smart, maintaining good grades while doing sports, too. She also from a young age turned challenges into opportunities, like not giving up her dreams just because she got pregnant. Hands down, she is the most interesting and admirable cast member of the whole lot of them.

Wu-Tang says he's sorry and he still loves her. Latrice says sorry, sucker, but it's over. I'm not your wallpaper to pick for the guest room. Oh, I love this. He deserves every bit of it. In the course of his quest to choose which ice cream flavor was best for him, he was too arrogant to think that maybe one or both of the girls might decide they don't want to be in his cone in the first place. Ha, Daddy wants a hug from his baby but she won't do it, so Dr. Jenn does the honors. Good luck to you, Latrice, you too seem like you deserve better.  

Wu-Tang tells Kelsey what happened and she seems as sorry as one possibly could be about that given the situation. She says she's going to stay on the show for the therapy and to try to be a better person. Kelsey, you're a fine person, and I really don't think there is all that much to work on here, except for a few denial issues which anyone would have in your shoes. I think you were duped by a very good con-artist. It could happen to anyone. I have every reason to believe you will move on from this and find a great man who treats you like you should, and probably soon. 

The lesbians ask Teen Duck Lips what is going on with her POF date. Haha, I was wondering that just as much, lesbians! Pop the popcorn, I want to see Dr. Jenn psycho analyze Teen Duck Lips's dates. Teen Duck Lips said she got a few messages saying she was cute but that they didn't want to go on a T.V. show.

Noooo, somebody turned down an opportunity to be on reality T.V.? Can't be. Even guys in Los Angeles don't want to be on T.V.? I thought everyone would do it too.

"Well, I'm just like whatever, if you're not going to be okay with T.V. than f--it you're not ever going to be in my life," Teen Duck Lips says defiantly as she goes off to probably eat another chopped salad. Ha, like she thinks she's going to be on T.V. forever. Too funny.

The lesbians, Duck Lips and her fiancé and Jon are hanging out in the back. You can tell Whitney is trying to be very respectful when she brings up Jon being upset about POF. Duck Lips says that she does not like the way Liz called him a pussy. She says it's very "unfair" to him. Sada says Liz is dominating and belittling. Duck Lips' fiancé says he needs to demand respect from her. I know Jon feels attacked here, but I get the strong sense that every single person who is confronting him about this is doing it because they genuinely care about the guy and don't like what they see.

Jon goes off to tell Liz they're talking about her. Liz comes out to talk to the group. Duck Lips admits they were talking about the relationship, and says look he just needs you to love him. "This demeaning thing you do to him, you [Jon] don't deserve that," Duck Lips says.

When did Duck Lips emerge as such an authority on functional relationships? Color me surprised to be in agreement with her.

Liz's defensive idea on this is that they don't know her well enough and haven't observed them enough. She says these people are horrendous and terrible. Not really. The ones horrendous and terrible aren't even sitting here right now. I like most of the ones here. I'm all for believing that many reality shows encourage conflict, fighting, and drama, but I think these people are actually just trying to help. Just because Liz doesn't want to hear what their observations are doesn't make the observations themselves wrong.

Next time on Couples Therapy, some other stuff happens I don't care about and oh my God oh my God oh my God Debra is here Debra is here Debra is here!!! And she's standing up for herself and saying I never did the things Teen Duck Lips says I did, Dr. Jenn!!! Woo-hoo!!!


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PA Dutch Mom said...

I prefer to call a spade a spade.

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That reminds me of a comment I read on a blog last night. Someone wrote that "it's time for Jon Gosselin to get spade." I had to think for a second to realize what the person meant (yes, it was late, and I was watching the snow coming down yet again).

Goats, billionaires, sex toys and spades...

Vanessa said...

The Empress was stripped said...
I was examining anew the criticisms Kate lobbed at Jon when they sat on the couch together, during their J & K plus 8 interviews. I believe it was intended for public consumption, at that point, rather than to drive a wedge between her kids and their father. We agree: her M.O. is off-putting and atrocious, loathsome even.. All that having been said: doesn't mean at least some of what TFW asserted wasn't true.

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Could you please elaborate? What did she assert about Jon that was true. It's been a long time and the memories are fading. The things I remember were the slaps and him breathing too loud. I'm asking, in all seriousness.

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I too would like to know. DEFLECTION is a narcissists ammo. One CLEAR example is when she said to Jon that Mady was like him, always yelling and moody and that Cara was like HER, calm, collected, NEVER YELLED. Jon called her on it, and she STILL claimed it was true. In fact, insisted she never yelled. So whatever "faults" of his she exposed, I would take as they are HERS.
He is NOT perfect, but I think maybe people want him to be because SHE'S just sooooo awful.

Paula said...

Some people just will not admit that because it may give credence to what Kate has been saying all along.

That's the silly sheeple version.

Unknown said...

The Empress Was Stripped Bare-Nekkid said... 164
''....This isn't meant as a jab to anyone here--absolutely not--but I'm truly mystified by the vociferousness with which several people are asserting and defending their opinions about Jon (his parenting style, his personal habits and relationships). Something else is going on, and I can't quite read the pulse of it.''

''Maybe Carrin's right in a way that I hadn't considered before typing this comment. That is to say, perhaps some people aren't comfortable seeing Jon painted in an unflattering light, seeing as how it might lend credibility to what TFW's been asserting all along. Cognitive dissonance, of a sort, where deeply held beliefs are challenged by what you're seeing/hearing/sensing in the moment. Where do we put that new information, and how does it harmonize (or cause dissonance) with other, closely held, long-standing opinions of ours?''
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I agree that something else is going on, and I have my own theory. Though ''cognitive dissonance'' is a definite possibility, I think it is something much more simple.

The ''vociferousness'' is to me the real clue about what is happening, as is the refusal to move on as rule #3 requires. This blog has always had much discussion about Jon, with many not really liking him but realize that he loves and is loved by his children.

Those of us that firmly believe cursing, drinking and smoking are not the true hallmarks of being a good parent isn't ''new information'' that would cause cognitive dissonance, but is something that fits more in the 'yes, those things aren't perfect behavior' but I don't care, and then abide by Rule #3 and move on. Simple as that. Too simplistic? Maybe...but I'm now moving on.

Paula said...

Let me see if I have this right...Those of us who don't believe that people who smoke, drink or curse are bad people/parents believe this because we don't want to believe Kate is right about Jon. Oh, wow, this new sheeple talking point is the most ridiculous ever.

TLC stinks said...

I believe without a doubt that Jon loves his children and of course he's not perfect. And I agree that his smoking is immaterial when you consider what psychological destruction is taking place with his kids. But it just seems that when Jon takes a step forward, he then takes two steps back. His flaws, coupled with poor advice, just keep holding him back. The best thing he can do is seek real counseling to be a stronger person for his kids. They need him,

Vanessa said...

Nahhhh, Milo doesn't read here. Bwahahaha
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Hmmm, has she ever been so vocal, or so CLEAR in trying to defend any other "rumors" she's read here? Has she ever EVER said her hero never pulled her boys by their hair and threw them in their crib?
Has she ever asked her to dispel the rumor about her being very afraid of going to far in hitting the babies?? See how insignificant the smoking is? It's small potatoes, that's why milo feels safe in broaching the subject.

localyocul said...

Paula said... 197
So Milo spends her days and nights tweeting to/about Kate Gosselin and reading this blog. Good lord woman (or whatever you are ) GET.A.LIFE.

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Or she reads the blog that does nothing but regurgitate what is written here.

localyocul said...

PA Dutch Mom said... 188
Barbara Gilmer ‏@BarbGilmer 33m
At least @Kateplusmy8 fri, sat, & sun your area will be in 40's to 50's snow will melt soon enough!

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No, Barb. We're expecting heavy rain on Friday. Any idea what happens when temps are in the 50s, melting snow, with rain all day?

Think real hard. Got it yet?

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I'm dreading it. I've been looking for rainboots.

FYI said...

OT-has anyone read the latest about Michael Lohan and Kate Major?

Seems they had a domestic dispute last night, that Kate Major played out on twitter. Then Michael also tweeted about it. They have both deleted those tweets.

ROL and TMZ covered the story, but the DM has a more in depth story. You can read it here:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2561805/Police-called-Michael-Lohans-home-domestic-dispute-girlfriend-Kate-Major-Twitter-blame-other.html

Who turns to twitter during a fight with your significant other? These two are both whack jobs, and I hope someone is looking out for that poor baby.

I read an update on ROL that had a statement from Kate Major stating:

" I made a lot of statements on Twitter that were merely out of fear that he was going to take my son from me. Please respect our privacy through this difficult time. Thank you.

She goes to twitter and tweets about what's going on during the dispute, but now she wants privacy?

I see where some of the sheeple were tweeting her support during her tweet fest. I guess anyone who says negative things about Jon is alright in their book, no matter who they are or how they acted.

fidosmommy said...

My siblings and I had rather idyllic childhoods, and Mom and Dad were both involved in our lives. We never doubted for a second that we were loved unconditionally. I could not have asked for a better childhood. Still, my mom was a food control freak and my father was a bit of a milquetoast when it came to who was the head of the family. She was bullheaded, he wanted peace. He was a "saver" of all things that "could be used again" and Mom hoarded fabric. (thankfully limited to only 4 of my dresser drawers!) Dad smoked a pipe, Mom drank wine.

They were each flawed. But they both loved each other and the 4 of us to
be kind, to work hard, build a strong foundation for our family, share everything they had, and be parents we loved and respected. They would not tolerate disharmony between family members and showed us how to extend that peacefulness with those outside our family.

We had a strong family, even with them having a list of flawed traits.

I guess the discussion about Jon being poor role model or having poor parenting skills is going right over my head. Kate's issues, in my opinion are that she does not love anyone as much as she loves herself and will stop at nothing to make sure she's taken care of first. Those are serious issues. Jon's issues seem to be that no matter how much he loves his children, it's not enough, because he does this behavior or that behavior. I think the 8 children will be able to work past Jon's flaws every time they melt into his arms or do a fist-bump with him. They will remember they were loved. The rest will just be commentary.

CAnana said...

I was a smoker for more years than I like to think about. To make it short, Dr said, "you've had your last cigarette". I said, 'No, as soon as I leave this office I'll light up'. I said no way can I quit without help, so he wrote a prescription for WELLBUTRIN, an antidepressant. I was in my 60's at the time, and thought I could never quit, but the drug took the edge off enough for me to actually do it. It might not work for everyone, and I think it was quite expensive, and you still must have that desire to get rid of cigarettes, but it did work for me.
I was tired of ALWAYS wanting to light another one!

Unknown said...

TLC stinks said... 6
''His flaws, coupled with poor advice, just keep holding him back. The best thing he can do is seek real counseling to be a stronger person for his kids. They need him''
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Now that he has gotten the paycheck from CT, maybe he has enough money to seek ''real counseling''

I'm in the group that like Jon because I think he is a kind man that adores his children. That has zero to do with TCFW.

njay said...

But when you lay all out the evidence, CT included, at least some of what TFW said on their show appears now (at least to me) to have had merit. I suspect some of us are revisiting these things in our own minds, with eyes and ears wide open.
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I don't see in Jon or Kate now anything I didn't see watching their show. Their personalities are the same now as they were then. The only thing is, now I see the detail of what they are, which may I add TLC edited out to make them seem the wholesome, moral christian parents that would draw family viewers.

When it finally got so bad, because their marriage was starting to fall apart and there was barely any good left to film, TLC flipped it and and even set it up to let us see all of "their real behavior" to help hammer a wedge between them for ratings. I believe that this is exactly what Jon was meaning on CT when he said it is like his other show, "they are trying to break us up and I'm starting to feel trapped". That is exactly what TLC did and the similarity on CT TRIGGERED in him the worst time of his life and he responded the only way he KNEW HOW to stay in a safe place.

Please forgive me for making this so long but I would like to share something with you. My niece abused her son so my mom was given custody. When he (M) was about ten or eleven my other nephews son's were hanging out with him for the day. I saw them all in the bathroom doing what I call playing grownup, pretending to shave and all. My NS's were slapping on aftershave and I heard M say, "no, you do it like this" and he proceeded to put the aftershave on his finger and dab it behind his ears. Though I thought it was just darling and funny, I realized that he has no one to teach him or help him to think like a man or even to let him know if what he is doing and feeling are what men feel. There is no way my mom could properly teach him that. Now he is 23, married to a rotten girl that treats him like Kate treats Jon, and has a new little girl with another on the way. Which I pray are both his because he walked in on her cheating. Why he loves her I will never know. Though I would LOVE to see him to leave her, I have told him he picked her and if he loves her and wants to stay with her he needs to do and learn all he can to make it work. Because we can't change the other person, sometimes it just takes patience, change and love on our part.

I have counseled and pleaded with him to find a mentor and surround himself with good men to teach him what is normal and what is not for a man to think and do. We can only do that which we know, been taught and have been shown. When I think about it, how embarrassing it must be for him to admit that 23 he doesn't know how to be a man. It breaks my heart.

I believe that this is exactly what is happening to Jon. He may have never been shown or taught any other way to handle things different. Especially when it came to TLC, Kate and their lawyers bombarding him. Kate had all those sneaky, manipulative monsters to feed and stroke her ego and greed while Jon had the sneaky, manipulative monsters Hailey, Ed Hardy, other women and the rag mags stroking his ignorance and GREED to take all his money and get where ever they could. Yes he is just as guilty and yes he used them. I'm not giving him a free pass. Just understanding, which I wouldn't defend if I didn't see that he really wants to do right by his children but doesn't know the best and fastest way to accomplish it.

njay said...

he's too old for the behavior we saw ... Time to grow up.
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Hummm, sounds like what I have heard about government leaders. Should we quit on them also?

marie said...

Njay . . . 14

Yes! Why support someone who isn't doing their job

JoyinVirginia said...

OT just because, just for fun. And to commemorate Mary Grace Canfield.
In the beginning, there were Beverly Hillbillies complete with Flatt and Scruggs theme song, and CBS saw it was good in the ratings. Jed Clampett, his daughter Elly Mae, his mother in law Granny, and cousins son Jethro Bodine.
Jethro s mama was Pearl Bodine, a cousin to Jed. She was played by veteran radio and TV actresses Bea Benaderet, who also had impressive career as voice actress for many Hanna-Barbera cartoons. She was Betty Rubble!
CBS wanted another rural sitcom. so here comes Petticoat Junction! Bea played Kate Bradley, the proprietor of the Shady Rest Hotel, and some kinda kin to Jed and granny and the gang.
And CBS saw the ratings for that were good! And wanted yet another rural sitcom.
Then Green Acres came to be, with city lawyer Oliver buying a farm in Hooterville and bringing his glamorous wife Lisa played by Eva Gabor to the country. They interacted with many of the same supporting characters that had been seen on Petticoat Junction.
The farmhouse was in need of constant repair, so here comes female Ralph Monroe and her brother Alf to work on the house. Played by Mary grace Canfield.
Ms Canfield also played... Harriet Kravitz on Bewitched! When Gladys was ” on a trip” Harriet came on to fill in the resident busy body role.
In recognition of all those supporting players who have entertained us over the years, here's to Mary Grace Canfield!

Call Me Crazy said...

I think a lot of posters on here WANT to like him because to like him is to stick it to Kate even more.
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Nope, my opinion of Jon has nothing to do with how I feel about Kate Gosselin. I have no interest in trying to "stick" anything to her. She has done very nicely sticking it to herself with her vile treatment of others, her deceptions, her laziness, and her overall nasty and selfish being. She has earned every bit of my disdain and disgust entirely on her own.

I'm sorry that Jon often acts like a stunade, but as long as he continues to appear to love his children, and continues to fight to keep them off TV, I don't need to attack him for his foolish vices. I don't have to like Jon to dislike TFW any more than I already do.

PatK said...

PA Dutch Mom said... 1
Goats, billionaires, sex toys and spades...


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Spades now, too? Time to light up another cigarette while pondering.

lukebandit said...

Oh, how sad that Mary Grace Canfield died today. She was a good actress. I remember her subbing in for Gladys Kravitz on Bewitched. She played a part on Andy Griffith as Mary Grace Gossage and she did a great job.

It was called a Date for Gomer. Gomer asked Andy and Barney what MG looked like. They said she was nice. Real Nice. They were all planning to go together to the big dance. They were going to have a Chinese supper with paper lanterns, Bobby Fleet and his band with a Beat and a Door Prize!

MG asked Thelma Lou and Helen about what Gomer looked like. They said he is tall, dark and chiming together, And a Door Prize!

Don't want to spoil the rest of it.

Millicent said...

think a lot of posters on here WANT to like him because to like him is to stick it to Kate even more.
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I'm not sure who said this, but I respectfully disagree. I don't believe I want to "stick it to Kate." The fact is, Kate has some very real issues that make her absolutely unfit to be a parent. #1 would be what I perceive as a complete lack of love for her children. #2 in close order would be the physical and emotional abuse she heaps on them. #3 would be the way she has earned money by making them work and continues to exploit them for financial gain and (diminishing) celebrity status.

Taken in order as to Jon: 1. I truly believe he loves his children as a parent should. Even people with many, many faults can have deep, abiding love for their offspring. 2. I have not seen any evidence that Jon has been a physically abusive or mentally abusive parent. He has been clueless, has been foolish, has been immature. But you can be all those things and yet provide nurturing love to your children. One has only to look back at episodes of the show where we see how the children (especially the younger six) reach out to Jon for hugs and kisses, and have him respond positively. He was and is a hands on parent and enjoys spending time with his children.

#3 - Here is where Jon fell down on his parenting, by agreeing to put the entire family on tv. However, in his defense, it was not as well known to many people that when signing up for a reality show, one pretty much signs their life away and sadly, their rights as parents. Jon was facing a daunting prospect of providing for family of 10, instead of the much more manageable family of 4.

In addition to that, he had been the unwitting pawn of his scheming wife from the day she laid eyes on him. Even if he had second thoughts about signing up for the show, he would have been firmly over-ridden. It is well documented that whatever Kate wanted in that relationship, she got. Period.

So I recognize Jon has shortcomings, just like I do. Just like everyone of here does. We are all human and we make mistakes. However, if he had been a more grounded, mature and strong-minded person to begin with - he would never have suited Katie Krieder's purpose and they probably wouldn't have gone past a first date.

Jon is probably always going to be a relatively passive person who can act or speak before he thinks. He may always use a lot of swear words. Maybe he'll smoke for many years yet to come. But that is not truly the measure of a person or whether they are worthy to be a parent. That's surface. At heart, Jon is a kind person, a friendly person, a loving father, and a man who seems to just want to settle down in a monogamous relationship with a nice woman. (Liz may not be quite the right fit for him, if she resorts to name calling and withholding of affection.) So that's why I root for him.

Not because I want to "stick it to Kate," but because I want to see the nice guy finish first. I want to see the Gosselin kids have half a chance of growing up and finding happiness. Their best shot at doing so is getting love, affection and guidance from the parent that has the capability to provide those things, and that's Jon.

njay said...

marie said... 15
Njay . . . 14

Yes! Why support someone who isn't doing their job
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True, but shouldn't we be proactive first to see if they can change their minds? I don't know how many times I have heard "contact your congressman." It's not good to just throw in the towel until all has been done to try to improve the situation.

njay said...

I think a lot of posters on here WANT to like him because to like him is to stick it to Kate even more.
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Boy does that ever sound like the common sense of the sheeple. I'm not saying you are, just sound like one.

rainbowsandunicorns said...

Paula said... 197
So Milo spends her days and nights tweeting to/about Kate Gosselin and reading this blog. Good lord woman (or whatever you are ) GET.A.LIFE.
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You forgot lusting, drooling and checking the weather in Kate's area. That's got to take up some of her time, too.

Millicent said...

It is interesting to see the many viewpoints regarding being a parent in conjunction with being a person who may also drink, smoke and/or use curse words. I don't think this can be a black/white distinction. Much of it depends on context. If I have a glass of wine every night with dinner, but do not get tipsy in the slightest, nor drive under the influence - then how is that bad in terms of parenting? I could point out that I am modeling responsible enjoyment of an alcoholic beverage to my child.

If a parent curses when they bang their finger in a drawer, or when someone abruptly cuts them off in traffic, so what? That's a lot different than a parent who screams obscenities at their child as in, "you f****ing moron!" I find the first examples acceptable, with the last example being something I would never do nor approve of. Shades of grey.

As to the smoking issue, what I would hope any parent does who is a smoker is a) never smokes in the house or the car; b) only smoke outside; and c) best of all - only smokes when not in the presence of the kids and somewhere away from home. I hope that's what Jon does, although I have no real knowledge either way.

Carole said...

Jon is probably always going to be a relatively passive person who can act or speak before he thinks. He may always use a lot of swear words. Maybe he'll smoke for many years yet to come. But that is not truly the measure of a person or whether they are worthy to be a parent. That's surface. At heart, Jon is a kind person, a friendly person, a loving father, and a man who seems to just want to settle down in a monogamous relationship with a nice woman. (Liz may not be quite the right fit for him, if she resorts to name calling and withholding of affection.) So that's why I root for him.

Not because I want to "stick it to Kate," but because I want to see the nice guy finish first. I want to see the Gosselin kids have half a chance of growing up and finding happiness. Their best shot at doing so is getting love, affection and guidance from the parent that has the capability to provide those things, and that's Jon.

Millicent, I agree completely. You read my mind but expressed it in much more eloquent manner than I could ever do. Thank you!

Dwindle said...

Admin, your recap was hilarious. I laughed out loud several times, but I have to disagree on one point. I do believe I DID see you milking the cows, churning the cream, thrashing the sugar cane to make that ice cream. And chiseling organic ice blocks out of a PA backyard to freeze it in, all the while puffing up that bit of flour on yer face.

That was a joke and I know you get it. "Link Please!" indeed! LOL, carry on.

(PS, I think people here 'prefer' Jon, because he lies to us less and doesnt proudly beat his kids. Period.)

Unknown said...

Millicent said... 20 and
Millicent said... 24
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Thank you SO much for saying so well exactly what I believe about the entire discussion. I really do agree with every word in the two comments, and just want to say AMEN!!

Tucker's Mom said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 170
That is to say, perhaps some people aren't comfortable seeing Jon painted in an unflattering light, seeing as how it might lend credibility to what TFW's been asserting all along.


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Even though SHE picked him, Kate can not like Jon if she wants because he smokes and is immature and has a girlfriend in her late 20's. I don't care. But none of Jon's behavior warrants the despicable parental alienation she has done to him.
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Here's the thing- asserting what, exactly?
That Jon's an alien?
That for the sake of her children's future and safety, she has to sue him?
The due to his recent "actions", Kate had to file for divorce?

Kate has not offered one single example. Nothing palpable that makes a lick of sense, so how Jon could be proving Kate right is beyond me.
Right about what? Innuendo?
100 different people could infer 100 different meaning from the Queen Of Implication.

I've been here and reading, catching up when I can over the past few days, but have only commented a couple times because I've been only able to keep up with the reading here!

I wanted to say to everyone that has shared their touching, personal stories, that I really appreciate your sharing and support you all. I usually respond as I read, but....

WE GOT A PUPPY!

... and omg, I am being run ragged. We brought our 2 big dogs home from boarding (we picked puppy up from out of state) and so far, they go from barely tolerating the poor thing, to being prickly about his hopping, jumping and nipping.
Soooooo.... if anyone has any words of wisdom as to how to make this a harmonious home, I'm all ears!
(as puppy is chewing on my slipper...on my foot!)

The Empress Was Stripped Bare-Nekkid said...

So that's why I root for [Jon]. Not because I want to "stick it to Kate," but because I want to see the nice guy finish first. I want to see the Gosselin kids have half a chance of growing up and finding happiness. Their best shot at doing so is getting love, affection and guidance from the parent that has the capability to provide those things...

I agree with you, Millicent, 100%. As I said earlier, I'm cheering for Jon from the sidelines, always have and always will, regardless of any opinions I hold private or may have expressed here.

Reasoned or no, none of the views I've expressed here are infallible. They're based upon limited observations -- and no direct experience with Jon, in any capacity--and are therefore inconsequential in the scheme of things. We're exchanging ideas here, all of us, nothing more and nothing less. No need for defensiveness or name-calling. That's my meta-view, for whatever it's worth. :)

NJGal51 said...

@KellyJeanturner: @Kateplusmy8 .Home sick today , hopping channels I could see you on the #cooking channel!😏👍
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The only way I could see her on the cooking channel is if they had a celebrity (and I use the term lightly) worst cooks in America and she managed to get a spot on it. Come to think of it, I wonder why they haven't done that yet.

Midnight Madness said...

Connie pierson ‏@Conpier 15m
@Kateplusmy8 why doesn't tlc do a special to update us on your kids??

Why do you need to be updated? They're not your kids. Geez...

Lalalalala said...

Vanessa said... 192

Vanessa, I agree with every single word you said. I get so tired of these arguments about such inconsequential things. Everyone argues back and forth and it never ends. I've been scrolling past just about everything. The speculations about this, that and the other thing just drives me mad.

Marie said...

True, but shouldn't we be proactive first to see if they can change their minds? I don't know how many times I have heard "contact your congressman." It's not good to just throw in the towel until all has been done to try to improve the situation.

I guess the timeline is suggestive. I believe one term in office and if they aren't doing their job,you vote them out. JMO.

ConcernedChick said...

What she said.
*pointing at Millicent

Call Me Crazy said...

Millicent - I always enjoy reading your well-thought-out posts.

Midnight Madness said...

You forgot lusting, drooling and checking the weather in Kate's area. That's got to take up some of her time, too.

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Not to mention all of the laundry she must do to wash those drool bibs.

Rhymes with Witch said...

Millicent 20, you summarized my thoughts as well.
My thoughts about Jon are separate from my thoughts about Kate, except for recognizing the number she did on him.
And for those saying "it's been 4 years", remember she had her claws in him for over 10 years and still uses his children as a weapon in her efforts to control him and everyone she comes in contact with. She has 8 children you know

Rhymes with Witch said...

The only way I could see her on the cooking channel is if they had a celebrity (and I use the term lightly) worst cooks in America and she managed to get a spot on it. 30

Actually, I could see her trying out for "The Taste.". Heh, heh.

Somewhere In Time said...

I think it's kind of amusing how some of the sheeple seem to have a one-track mind. Lauren is obsessed with trolls and bullying, even though her TL shows that she's an offender herself; the Denise person is hung up on the weather; Milo's favorite word is "naysayer;" Emily tweets her love for her MammaG; Leigh says Hey, Girl; the foot guy likes well, Kate's beautiful feet; Nicole wants a testimonial on her book; the China Vector guy (girl?) continues to be all over the place with nonsense; and Macey's texting Kate with a Canadian phone number, wanting to know if Kate added her on FB.

Is there anyone else left, other than a few really slow fans?

What happened to all of those fans from yesterday who wanted a RT? The ones who will never show up again?

Tucker's Mom said...

I don't see in Jon or Kate now anything I didn't see watching their show. Their personalities are the same now as they were then. The only thing is, now I see the detail of what they are, which may I add TLC edited out to make them seem the wholesome, moral christian parents that would draw family viewers.
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I have to admit I was surprised at Jon's smoking, drinking, swearing and partying. TLC did a bang up job of packaging J+K as these square "country bumpkins".
No way did Jon take up smoking when they split- my bet is that he was smoking when they met, and he continued off camera. So, any thought that Kate would use that against him doesn't make sense.
She pick him.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Dwindle thank you and lol.

I agree with Millicent--Everyone, please stop trying to analyze WHY someone has an opinion they have. It's rude, presumptuous and often mean. If someone said well you just don't like Jon because of your own issues with your own divorce, how would you feel? And yet everyone has been kind enough not to go there, but does not get the same kindness in return and I'm tired of it. Discuss the opinions, not the people. I've deleted several comments because of that and to help us just move on, this isn't going anywhere.

In other wonderful news, Amy's Baking Company is returning to Kitchen Nightmares on Feb 28th! I can't wait for this!

http://www.azcentral.com/thingstodo/dining/articles/20140131amys-baking-company-kitchen-nightmares.html

njay said...

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said... 194
njay said... 187
"The Shady Rest Hotel". Is that a brothel?
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Yes, and they also provide some lovely goats...if you're into that kind of thing.
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I love it. hehe! It also just hit me, "Hooterville". Subliminal anyone? hehe, just snarking.

localyocul said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 41


In other wonderful news, Amy's Baking Company is returning to Kitchen Nightmares on Feb 28th! I can't wait for this!

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You HAVE to do a recap! Pleasepleaseplease

PatK said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 41

In other wonderful news, Amy's Baking Company is returning to Kitchen Nightmares on Feb 28th!

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Dear God, WHYYYY?? She had her Two Minutes of Fame! She has nothing to offer except ratings for being a nutjob. smh

PatK said...

Fired Up 4 Kate‏@MiloandJack·3 mins
@msgoody2shoes21 @CarleneMarie_1 @SandieBellz @Kateplusmy8 LOL Goody...U definitely keep things N check here! No one fills ur shoes! :)

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Ummmm...no. No, she does not keep things in check on Kate's TL. Her whacked rantings are entertaining, though!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

In other wonderful news, Amy's Baking Company is returning to Kitchen Nightmares on Feb 28th!

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Dear God, WHYYYY?? She had her Two Minutes of Fame! She has nothing to offer except ratings for being a nutjob. smh

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LOL. They actually do sometimes do "update" specials any restaurants that were particularly difficult so it's not unprecedented. Apparently Amy now sells t-shirts and merchandise with quotes from the first episode. They sound like they've become sort of a tourist attraction. I have to give them credit for making lemonade out of lemons. Instead of sulking and just being pissed off people hate them, they found a way to turn it around to their benefit. In a weird way I kind of respect that. I'm looking forward to it and yes Local I'll consider a recap lol.

Tucker's Mom said...

LOL. They actually do sometimes do "update" specials any restaurants that were particularly difficult so it's not unprecedented. Apparently Amy now sells t-shirts and merchandise with quotes from the first episode. They sound like they've become sort of a tourist attraction. I have to give them credit for making lemonade out of lemons. Instead of sulking and just being pissed off people hate them, they found a way to turn it around to their benefit. In a weird way I kind of respect that. I'm looking forward to it and yes Local I'll consider a recap lol.
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I think that they just don't get that people are laughing at them, not with them.
Those two seriously live in an alternate reality!

Tucker's Mom said...

Dear God, WHYYYY?? She had her Two Minutes of Fame! She has nothing to offer except ratings for being a nutjob. smh
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Those two boasted about getting so many reality tv offers- blah, blah, blah. But, I read that no one wound up going forward with a tv deal because they are too difficult to work with.
Sounds familiar ;-)

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

This is a really good article we posted several years ago about Russel Armstrong, I came across it and thought I'd post it again since Taylor is on Couples Therapy. I think it hits on an issue not talked about nearly as much as the issues discussed about children.

I think reality t.v. shows prey upon dysfunctional people. Few shows seek out a nice normal family or person--they want people with issues and then they want to focus on those issues. Someone was complaining all Jon talks about is Liz. Well yeah, in the five to ten odd minutes he is even shown he is talking about Liz. The prodcuers aren't interested in a Jon who talks sports, kids, jokes and current events. That's boring. They saw there was dysfunction between him and Liz and they capitalized on it and emphasized it. And I think it's evident from even the earliest episodes of Jon and Kate they were doing the same thing, they were exploiting the dysfunction of both Kate and her dynamic with Jon to the max. They knew exactly what they were doing.

Now we can debate until the cows come home how much personalty responsibility the adults should bear signing on to such things, since they are consenting adults, but it's become pretty clear to me that in many situations this is a very unbalanced situation with big networks having all the power over much weaker, inexperienced, mediocre laymen who often have a variety of issues in their own right.

We have seen too many instances now of networks using what sounds like straight up blackmail to get what they want out of their subjects. Children are exploited, but in some ways and at least on some level, albeit probably a lesser one, so are adults. We have seen too many times producers preying on people who should be left to sort out their issues in private because they see that those same issues could make them money.

"Viewers want dirty, nasty, shameful reality television, whether it's in the form of dysfunctional families, ridiculous amounts of children or someone living in a pile of their own filth. Sure, there are good-natured shows like "Giuliana and Bill" and "Bethenny Ever After," but face it -- they're kind of boring when put up against table-flipping, drunken brawls and over-the-top drama for people to live through vicariously. But as we saw this week, it all comes with a cost."

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Forgot to post the actual link here it is! http://www.cnn.com/2011/SHOWBIZ/TV/08/19/reality.tv.hess/

Somewhere In Time said...

Is there anyone else left, other than a few really slow fans?

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Fired Up 4 Kate‏@MiloandJack·3 mins
@msgoody2shoes21 @CarleneMarie_1 @SandieBellz @Kateplusmy8 LOL Goody...U definitely keep things N check here! No one fills ur shoes! :)

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Oh, my gosh. How could I have forgotten Goody and her hate rants against Jon and his manhood? lol! Has Mlo ever read those nasty tweets...not only the ones about Jon, but vile obscene tweets as well? Wonder how Milo reconciles those with her own good Christian upbringing and Sunday meetin spiritual values?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I remember thinking so much out of Amy's mouth also has come out of Kate's mouth at some point but I can't remember specifically now what it is. But I remember thinking oh my gosh she's the SAME as this woman!

The good news is they are re-airing the first episode this week so we can refresh our recollections hehe!

I just realized I will be out of town up in the capital when this airs for work, but that will not stop me from seeing this wonderful monstrosity thanks to DVR!

Marie said...

I think reality t.v. shows prey upon dysfunctional people
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True dat

localyocul said...

Again with the screeching:

Kate Gosselin ‏@Kateplusmy8 2m
A bedtime lesson in diapering their babies..w REAL pampers!
They screeched w delight when I honored their request! pic.twitter.com/5Rbeze7zy1

Somewhere In Time said...

Kate tweeted:

A bedtime lesson in diapering their babies..w REAL pampers!
They screeched w delight when I honored their request! pic.twitter.com/5Rbeze7zy1

What a screeching and shrieking family that must be. Ten year olds are just too old to be screeching about diapering a doll. They just are.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

It's weird how she always talks about how the kids make "requests" and she honored them.

I've never heard a mother use that words so much. It makes her sound like a prison warden. The inmates requested a prison library and she obliged. The inmates requested an extra 10 minutes in the yard and she gave it to them. There is something about that word that makes her sound so impersonal about the children, and it's not the only "impersonal" word I've seen her use when it comes to the kids.

Somewhere In Time said...

I think that they just don't get that people are laughing at them, not with them.
Those two seriously live in an alternate reality!

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Kind of like Milo? She's the buffoon, but either doesn't realize it, or if she does, she doesn't care.

localyocul said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 54
It's weird how she always talks about how the kids make "requests" and she honored them.

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Very odd. Very impersonal and businesslike. She also uses "I" a lot, of course

Dwindle said...

CONGRATS to Tucker's Mom 28 on your new baby! I have no words of wisdom, you are an experienced and loving pet guardian, let your heart be your guide. I always found allowing all parties to gather nicely at your feet while you portion out a slice of cheese ("I am he as you are he as you are me And we are all together..." Mom is the walrus...) helps everyone bond a bit on equal footing. Here's hoping that one of the adult babies decides it would be the cat's meow to hop around with the puppy! Good luck to you, dont forget big dogs need extra cuddles right now.

Dwindle said...

As for Jon's Former Wife, "HONORING" the requests of her gestational offspring... just more language that continues to show (us and the children) that she considers they are quite lucky to have her as their warden. Coz she is all that plus the dove of peace from above.

Tucker's Mom said...

Is 10 getting a bit old for diapering baby dolls?
I know the girls are too old to be "shrieking" and everything Kate does, but I'm not sure about playing with baby dolls.
Imagine the shrieking if the girls got to go to ballet, gymnastics, soccer, Girl Scouts...

At any rate, I think it would be a little embarrassing for the girls to have all of their classmates see them diapering baby dolls.

Jeremy said...

This baby diapering tweet has me in a tizzy. Glad Milo reads here, cAuse I need more than 140 characters. WHY does she continue to insist that her kids shriek non stop with delight? Are they truly prisoners grateful for every crumb of kindness? Why does she portray them as verbally out of control? What 9 year old shrieks over a Pamper?
And, I'm sorry, but if those girls are still overjoyed to be playing with baby dolls at age 9, Jon is not wrong when he says that developmentally, they are delayed.
Same comment as Admin - the expression "I honored their requested" who things in these terms when helping their kids? Similar to her People closer - I want my children to grow up and be grateful for everything I gave them - her thinking is so warped. It shows in her language that she has no idea how to parent
And , her girls are happy, playing, so overjoyed that Kate gave them a Pamper (odd product placement, BTW) , she is going to show them how to use, but instead of playing with them, she has to take out the damn phone and tweet a pic to her sheeple. How very sad.

I support Jon and want to give him the benefit of the doubt because it is too sad to think that those children have 2 completely dysfunctional parents. There is no hope for Kate. I want Jon to be the best he can be for the sake of his kids. He is capable, he just needs good people to help him.

Tucker's Mom said...

Dwindle said... 59
*****
Thanks! I'm making sure to give extra hugs and treats to my 2 big dogs. It's a big change for them, although it's only been 6 months since Sr. Bichon passed away.
We hopefully will form a happy new 'pack" over time ;-)

localyocul said...

My dd never "shrieked with joy" when I honored such requests because it was an everyday thing. If she asked me to show her how to diaper a baby, I did. We interacted EVERY DAY like that...her making Lego creations (not the prefab kind), her pretending to be this or that animal. playing games, etc. When I interacted with her it wasn't a BIG DEAL that called for SHRIEKING with JOY

Dmasy said...

Tucker's Mom, what did you name the newest member of your family? Have fun!

localyocul said...

Tucker's Mom said... 61
Is 10 getting a bit old for diapering baby dolls?

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I was thinking that but I wasn't sure since mine is 17 I wasn't sure I remembered right. At 10 she may have had American Girl Dolls but I don't think she was playing with baby dolls

localyocul said...

Jeremy said... 62
And , her girls are happy, playing, so overjoyed that Kate gave them a Pamper (odd product placement, BTW)

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That reminds me...I have a second job at a retail place. One day less than a month ago, I was at work during a snow storm. Anyway, I was bored and sorting through furniture orders. I came across a nursery furniture order from a "Kate Goslin". I almost died. I said was Kate Gosselin here ordering baby furniture? LOL The manager said "that's what I asked!" I said well it's spelled differently but God forbid she's having another kid!

Tucker's Mom said...

Dmasy said... 65
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"Remy"

Sleepless In Seattle said...

Some girls play with dolls until they are 12 or so, particularly American Girl dolls and Barbies. But an almost 10-year-old being thrilled over Pampering a baby doll just doesn't seem what most kids that age would find screech-worthy.

Nancy said...

Why on earth would she still have real diapers in the house????

localyocul said...

Ten hours ago and no response:

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack 10h
@Kateplusmy8 Do U have time 2clear up a rumor again? Some R insisting U are a secret smoker...have been 4yrs. Please set them straight!!

Over In TFW's County said...

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack 3m
Well @Kateplusmy8 U have been dealing w/snow 4days...now looks like RAIN 4nxt wk. U will have to make ur own SUNSHINE!! :) #GoodAttitude

LOL!! Here comes Milo with Kate's weather report! Milo, the rain is THIS week, not next week. If you're going to keep Kate apprised of conditions, at least learn what the sunshine and raindrops symbols mean! She's such a hoot!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 10h
@Kateplusmy8 Do U have time 2clear up a rumor again? Some R insisting U are a secret smoker...have been 4yrs. Please set them straight!!


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Maybe the answer is not what Milo is hoping for. I also think Jon like most people probably started smoking as a very young adult and often non smokers don't want to be with a smoker. I think given what we know about Kate and her wanting to run a bit on the wild side, she may very well have been a smoker or even still is.

But Milo is missing the point. It's not about that. The reason I brought that up was to say I don't care about Kate smoking any more than I do Jon and that on the list of things these kids will be discussing with a therapist someday, that will probably be at the very bottom.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Yes my goodness an almost 10 year old is ages too old to want to be diapering dolls. I think if they were allowed to find some more age appropriate interests like sports, art, scouts, they wouldn't have as much interest in their dolls.

White Organza said...

Admin (56) "There is something about that word that makes her sound so impersonal about the children, and it's not the only "impersonal" word I've seen her use when it comes to the kids."

I know... I know I always have a gut reaction when she write she "feeds" them. Some posters here have explained that it was a regionalism, but still... Once in a blue moon, she could write that THEY had pizza for dinner. Not that SHE fed them them, She never writes about the joy of a family just eating a relaxed meal together, enjoying each other's company and conversation without paying that much attention to the meal in itself. No. It's "I fed them another one of my famous 10/10 bean and bean casserole... and then I started my grand inquisition on who the heck peeled the equator on my world globe. I strongly suggested it was Joel... and they all shrieked with delight!"

Wowser said...

Maybe their response was post traumatic stress induced....didn't TFW shriek on every early episode every time she had to change their diapers...because GASP!!! They had the audacity to poop in them?!!! Shrieking is what they know because that's ALL TFW knows how to do

Sleepless In Seattle said...

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack 10h
@Kateplusmy8 Do U have time 2clear up a rumor again? Some R insisting U are a secret smoker...have been 4yrs. Please set them straight!!

So Kate didn't honor Milo's request and set the record straight? LOL!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Once in a blue moon, she could write that THEY had pizza for dinner. Not that SHE fed them them

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That is another thing she does is turn everything around so that SHE is doing it and getting credit for it. She can't just say we played with dolls tonight, it has to be all about how she arranged it. She can't just say we had delicious pizza tonight, it has to be about how SHE prepared it and fed it. I don't think this is insignificant at all, I think it's highly indicative of a narcissistic personality disorder.

And this sort of proves my point. In one tweet we see a mother who is looking for all the credit and accolades making the tweet all about her, we see a mother again using bizarre and impersonal language about her children like "honored" their "requests", we see a mother babying children and encouraging regressive behavior and encouraging activities better suited to 5 year olds instead of age-approrpiate interests, we see a mother embarrassing her children by tweeting it to the world so that tomorrow all their friends can laugh at them playing with their babies.

I will take a father smoking outside OUT BACK when his children are three-thousand miles away (can second hand smoke travel that far?) any day over the above dysfunction. That kind of dysfunction is just so far and away from anything Jon has ever done it's not even funny. And that's why I agree with what Millicent said--I rest my case! :)

PatK said...

Kate Gosselin‏@Kateplusmy8·13 mins
@BrandyGilley no no.. I knew the cashiers and was sure to tell them: diapers r for my girls dolls..To avoid #nextweektabloidstory

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Silly Kate. Still thinks the tabloids would care about such mundane things in her life.

Sleepless In Seattle said...

Maybe their response was post traumatic stress induced....didn't TFW shriek on every early episode every time she had to change their diapers...because GASP!!! They had the audacity to poop in them?!!! Shrieking is what they know because that's ALL TFW knows how to do

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They also know how to squeal and screech.

Sleepless In Seattle said...

Nancy said... 70
Why on earth would she still have real diapers in the house????

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She didn't. She tweeted that she went out and bought them and made sure she told the cashier that they were for dolls...so there would be no tabloid stories about Kate buying diapers.

OrangeCrusher1 said...

So this is a real big deal if she shopped for the Pampers that had her almost 10 year olds shrieking with delight as she honored their request to learn how to diaper a doll? Her syntax remains odd, her childrens' play seems immature. Pass the inevitable pizza.

capecodmama said...

Millicent...20 & 24...

Agree and agree. Well said.

Tucker's Mom...

Congrats on your new four legged bundle of joy!

I can't imagine almost 10 year old kids shrieking because mom does something. I'd have a chronic headache with all the shrieking that supposedly goes on in that house. My six month old grandaughter shrieks but she's recently found her voice and is letting everyone know she's the new diva in town. She definitely will not be shrieking at 10.

Anonymous said...

Why does this whole sorry mess (the tweet about diapers) make me think of Flowers In The Attic. This is chilling.

PJ

NJGal51 said...

@Kateplusmy8: @BrandyGilley no no.. I knew the cashiers and was sure to tell them: diapers r for my girls dolls..To avoid #nextweektabloidstory
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You're not all that Kate and I don't think the tabloids are holding the presses in hopes of getting a story about you. You're yesterday's news.

GKD said...

The girls are almost 10 and they are just having their FIRST time to diaper a baby doll with a real diaper? Why hasn't she done this sooner? Another thing I've wondered is as kids get older, they become more self entertaining. Why is she always in the middle of whatever her kids are doing? Let them just go play on their own without being watched/monitored every second. There comes a point when you can tell kids to "go play" and they go play. You get stuff done while they are doing their thing. They are old enough, she shouldn't have a kid attached to her for everything.

T said...

Hi guys! Sorry that I've been too busy to post lately, but I always look forward to reading all the great posts and comments whenever I get a chance.

I agree with what many of your have said, and that Kate chooses the oddest phrasing in reference to her children. Perhaps it speaks to now truly isolated she is. If she had any valid relationships with any of her peers, other parents, or even her own family members, she would realize that people do not talk about their kids in any way similar to how she does. She would also know that kids don't generally speak or act in the way she claims that her children do. It's bizarre really. Friends play an important role in our lives, as they are often the mirrors that we need when it comes to self reflection. But even if she lacks friends willing to be honest with her, it only takes a dictionary to know that describing your children as "screeching" and "shrieking" is not something positive even if she throws the word "joy" into the sentence.

screech [skreech]
verb (used without object)
1. to utter or make a harsh, shrill cry or sound: The child screeched hysterically. The brakes screeched.
verb (used with object). 2. to utter with a screech: She screeched her warning.
noun. 3. a harsh, shrill cry or sound: an owl's screech; the screech of brakes
Synonyms 1. See scream.

shriek [shreek]
noun
1. a loud, sharp, shrill cry. 2. a loud, high sound 3. any loud, shrill sound, as of a whistle. verb (used without object). 4. to utter a loud, sharp, shrill cry, as birds. 5. to cry out sharply in a high voice: to shriek with pain. 6. to utter loud, high-pitched sounds in laughing. 7. (of a musical instrument, a whistle, the wind, etc.) to give forth a loud, shrill sound.

Mel said...

I have 8, 9, & 10 yo granddaughters. They stopped playing baby dolls like that about 3 years ago. They play with their American Girl dolls some, and have mostly outgrown the Barbie type dolls.
They definitely would not be screeching with delight if I brought them disposable diapers to play with. They'd probably give me the stink eye for not bringing them video games or a book or fabric to sew their own doll clothes. They're also big into knitting and rainbow looms.

T said...

Tucker's Mom- congratulations on your new addition and I wish you nothing but joy and happiness with this new member of your pack! I know that this is not your first dog, but have your ever read any of the books by The Monks of New Skete? They are well know trainers and breeders of German Shepards. I serendipitously came across one of their books in the library, and since then their books have helped me with everything from the basics of puppy training to the complexities of rehabilitating a special needs or poorly socialize dog. I posted some links below if your interested.


http://www.amazon.com/Art-Raising-Puppy-Revised/dp/0316083275

http://www.amazon.com/How-Your-Dogs-Best-Friend/dp/0316610003/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1392787473&sr=1-2

http://www.dogsbestfriend.com/index.html

If anyone had told me the love of my life would have four paws and tail, I could have saved myself a lot of heartbreak! Lol! He may have started out as just another dog for me to foster, but let there be no doubt: he is the one who rescued me!

Ps. He's a boxer (Hi Kelly), who does AMAZING tricks and even sings. People tell me all the time that I should put him on YouTube, (where no doubt he would be the next viral video star). But unlike Kate, even I know enough not to exploit my dog or anyone else I love (human or otherwise) for the perils of fleeting fame!

T said...

I would not be surprised if Kate is a smoker or a former smoker. The way she was always chomping on gum on camera always made me suspect it was actually nicotine gum. It's a trick of many in Hollywood, as well as those (like nurses) who work in environments that are completely smoke free.

As to whether it makes you a bad parent- certainly this is a gray area, as parents are their children's primary role models, and there can be no dispute that it is certainly very unhealthy behavior. Even if parents are not smoking around the children, kids are no fools, and usually know more the they let on. I remember putting pin holes in my father's cigarette's, which in retrospect was kinda mean, but as a child my intent was that I did not want him to die. Jon isn't exactly hiding his smoking anyway...there's plenty of film and pictures of him doing ever since the divorce. I know that it isn't easy to quit, but I hope and pray that he at least considers it.

Rainbirdie said...

OT: There's another Swiffer "reality commercial" out...kudos to Swiffer for using real people...not cookie cutter stereotypes.

Jen said...

How can she give them a lesson in changing diapers when she's never done it herself? And the reason she's terrible at conveying emotions (like what someone does when they are delighted) is because she doesn't experience them the way normal people do.

Vanessa said...

So many great posts, Millicent, Admin yours said it all for me.

BINGO! In one fell swoop, that SlNGLE tweet proves our argument. She messes with their heads, with their growth, with their souls, their very being. SHE is to be worshipped and thanked and adored for ALLLL that she does. Just go back to the episode when the twins are "mommie" for the day, they are to kiss the ground she walks on.
Mommie is FIRST and FOREMOST the number one person in their lives.
Guess mommie dearest was feeling generous today? Probably the FIRST pack of diapers she's ever had to pay out of her own pocket. Bet they DID "SCREECH/SHRIEK" cuz mommie was her happy place today! YAY!!
They can read her like a book.

Millicent said...

A bedtime lesson in diapering their babies..w REAL pampers!
They screeched w delight when I honored their request! pic.twitter.com/5Rbeze7zy1
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If they really screeched, it must be because if they don't, their mother will find a way to punish them for not being grateful enough for whatever crumbs she tosses their way. Normal kids simply do not screech, shriek, or scream with joy when their mom gives them Pampers. I agree with Admin - Kate talks like a prison warden who occasionally deigns to honor one of the inmate's meek requests. "May I have another bowl of gruel please?"

I also have a hard time imagining any of the children still being at the age where they might be interested in pretend diapering a baby doll. I guess that could happen at age 9, especially if you aren't allowed to do much else in your house besides endless chores. Maybe any moment of play time is precious, no matter whether it's somewhat juvenile for their age.

However, I bet the thought of spreading a tabloid rumor was appealing to Kate, who can't get so much as a "meh" out of any publicist lately.

BTW, thank you to all you were appreciative of my comments. Very often, I feel exactly the same way as to your own comments.

TLC stinks said...

Why does this woman insist on making the tup girls sound like babies? A ten year old girl can be having a period these days, crushes on boys, etc. I hated to see my daughter grow up, but I LET her mature.

Is Kate wanting the world to think that she is such a good mother that her daughters exist to emulate HER? Sick.

Paula said...

You can buy diapers for baby-dolls and they are much cheaper than the "real" version. Of course this latest "story" from Kate didn't really happen either.

jbranck1980 said...

She must have used her coupon website to 'piece and patch' together the money to buy a pack of diapers that will be used on dolls. Wonder if she will donate the rest of the diapers to charity so people who are REALLY piecing and patching can benefit.

The empress was stripped bare-nekkid said...

Kids need a wide range of outside interests to grow and develop into sociable, well-adjusted and educated, curious beings. So…what activities are the younger kids involved in? Beyond school hours, that is? Based on what Kate's said in interviews & tweeted over time, the list is, sadly, very short:

1) Chores
3) Chipotle dinners
3) Baby dolls and Legos
4) Swimming/lounging by the pool (summertime)
5) iPad "educational games," monitored by Kate
6) Craft projects

Hmmm…can you think of anything else?

Blowing In The Wind said...

She must have used her coupon website to 'piece and patch' together the money to buy a pack of diapers that will be used on dolls. Wonder if she will donate the rest of the diapers to charity so people who are REALLY piecing and patching can benefit.

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I'm surprised she didn't go to the hospital and ask for samples for newborns. You can also buy packs of six and 12 in a store...no need to get the box of 216!

TLC stinks said...

I think maybe the diaper thing is a ploy to get some speculation about the kids wanting a baby brother or sister? Really, it makes no sense for her to make such a deal about this unless she was hoping some tabloid would pick it up and start the wheels spinning that Kate is pining for a baby. I bet the tup girls played with those diapers for a total of 5 minutes. Does Kate spend her time thinking up these ridiculous scenarios? You betcha.

Formerly Duped said...

If the girls want to play with dolls, I think it's fine.They do go to school with younger kids. What I don't think is ok, it that TFW tweeted about it to make herself look like a kind wonderful screech-worth mom who bought Pampers for the dolls.

sparkle said...

T said:

I agree with what many of your have said, and that Kate chooses the oddest phrasing in reference to her children. Perhaps it speaks to now truly isolated she is. If she had any valid relationships with any of her peers, other parents, or even her own family members, she would realize that people do not talk about their kids in any way similar to how she does. She would also know that kids don't generally speak or act in the way she claims that her children do. It's bizarre really. Friends play an important role in our lives, as they are often the mirrors that we need when it comes to self reflection. But even if she lacks friends willing to be honest with her, it only takes a dictionary to know that describing your children as "screeching" and "shrieking" is not something positive even if she throws the word "joy" into the sentence.
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Spot on, especially your remarks about Kate having no clue about age appropriate reactions for 9 yr. olds.

Narcissists feel they must be showered with adulation when making even the slightest effort. It is said that this is why Christmas is so hard for a narcissist parent. Santa is the first to go, there's no way Santa is getting any credit for gifts. Kate readily admitted that her kids were told as soon as they could understand that Santa was not real. She attributed this to their (former) religion. I had never heard of Santa being an issue with this religion before, maybe someone else has. Not celebrating Halloween or trick or treating did seem to be the norm, however. But I digress...

The fact that this woman is obsessively compelled to tell the world in 140 characters or less THAT SHE IS SUCH AN AWESOME MOTHER AND HER KIDS CONSTANTLY SCREECH WITH DELIGHT WHEN SHE DOES EVEN THE SLIGHTEST THINGS FOR THEM.... seems, at least to me, that the opposite is going on. We were already shown, twice no less, Mady and Cara serve Kate straight up on national tv. The tups are almost ten. I imagine they are not willing to toe the party line anymore, either. I'm sure they want to go to friends houses, they want friends to come to their house, they want to participate in sports and activities. They are old enough not to buy Kate's excuses and stories about why they need to all stay at home. I'll take her word for it that she bought a package of Pampers. It fits right in with her reluctance to let the tups grow and evolve.

Nobody likes a narcissist and nobody really likes a braggart. I remember some of those from my days as a young parent and they were never invited back to the play group. And as it turned out, the more someone tried to perpetrate perfection, the more dysfunctional their life and marriage really was. Kate, we have your number and have for a long time. You're fooling no one, not even your fans. Even your fans know that raising children is not the 24/7 bliss and perfection you pretend you have in your home.

Blowing In The Wind said...

Kate Gosselin ‏@Kateplusmy8 12h
A bedtime lesson in diapering their babies..w REAL pampers!
They screeched w delight when I honored their request!

Brittany Brown ‏@Brittany201245 6h
@Kateplusmy8 do they do this everyday? Or like once in a while?

You have to like giggle at these sheeple!

Blowing In The Wind said...

Why does this woman insist on making the tup girls sound like babies?

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I was thinking about that, too. Could it be because most of her fans are kids themselves...the young teens who will "aw" and tweet "so cute" and can identify with children because they are barely past that stage right now? Her TL suggests that it's these youngsters who find it adorable when Kate tweets pics and cute sayings. Adult do, too, but the teens seem to hop right on there and think that everything Kate and the kids do is adorable, especially when she's infantilizing them. She needs their gushing over her about what a great mommy she is, how she is their role model, they want to learn parenting "techniques" from her, and so forth. It keeps that ego inflated.

Serendipity said...

Kate Gosselin ‏@Kateplusmy8 12h
A bedtime lesson in diapering their babies..w REAL pampers!
They screeched w delight when I honored their request!

Brittany Brown ‏@Brittany201245 6h
@Kateplusmy8 do they do this everyday? Or like once in a while?

"This?" Do they screech every day or diaper every day? lol!

Vanessa said...

And as it turned out, the more someone tried to perpetrate perfection, the more dysfunctional their life and marriage really was.
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Oh, soooo spot on!

I think she actually DID play mommie with them but was reliving her GLORY days...reminiscing about when they were little babies, telling them how adorable they were, wish they were THAT little again.

Her tweets and/or blog posts and/or interviews are ALWAYS just "off".
She tries to "sound" like a "normal" mom, but because she doesn't have "real" mom emotions/feelings (incapable) she either says something totally inappropriate, or it's about her, because SHE is her only focus, and she feels SHE should be her kids' only focus/purpose.
She goes through the motions, the obligations etc., but those kids are constantly reminded/told where their place is. "HONORED"??? Yes, that is her truth, she BELIEVES they should be HONORED for all and every effort she makes. Does she ever think to thank, praise, be HONORED by their efforts? Their obligations to her, the WORK they do to make her life as easy as possible?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Kate Gosselin ‏@Kateplusmy8 12h
@MiloandJack ha! Sign me up! It's a mommy brain insane-->Kids schedules and needs and wants = Juggling 8 balls in the air! Crazy!
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I can't figure out what tweet this is in response to, it doesn't show up when you expand it. But she didn't respond to Milo's smoking question. Sorry Milo, you were ignored and I wonder why.

Blowing In The Wind said...

I can't figure out what tweet this is in response to, it doesn't show up when you expand it. But she didn't respond to Milo's smoking question. Sorry Milo, you were ignored and I wonder why.

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Milo had tweeted that insanity is hereditary -- you get it from your children (Sam Levenson). That was Kate's response.

FYI said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 106
Kate Gosselin ‏@Kateplusmy8 12h
@MiloandJack ha! Sign me up! It's a mommy brain insane-->Kids schedules and needs and wants = Juggling 8 balls in the air! Crazy!
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I can't figure out what tweet this is in response to, it doesn't show up when you expand it.

Milo tweeted the following quote to Kate, and said something about Kate having a "Crazy Life". I can't remember her exact words. She has since deleted the tweet, but that is probably what Kate was responding to.

"Insanity is hereditary; you get it from your children." - Sam Levenson

One of the non-fans tweeted the following to Milo, which probably made her decide to delete the tweet:

Sascha ‏@Sassccha · 14h
@MiloandJack @Kateplusmy8 OMG What are you saying? You think her children are crazy? My God, do you ever read what you tweet?

Milo also tweeted:

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack · 14h
The thing is...I know U would never ever trade the #CrazyLife you have! U've always seen ur kids as a blessing...a joy! @Kateplusmy8 :)

sparkle said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 106
Kate Gosselin ‏@Kateplusmy8 12h
@MiloandJack ha! Sign me up! It's a mommy brain insane-->Kids schedules and needs and wants = Juggling 8 balls in the air! Crazy!
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Why does she constantly seem befuddled that kids have needs and wants she must attend to? And seriously... x8? WE KNOW. The whole damn world knows. You signed up for this. You chose their father, you signed up for HOMs, you filed for divorce, you CHOSE all the of reality in which you currently exsist. Deal with it and STFU. Seriously.... sheesh.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Her tweets and/or blog posts and/or interviews are ALWAYS just "off".
She tries to "sound" like a "normal" mom, but because she doesn't have "real" mom emotions/feelings (incapable) she either says something totally inappropriate, or it's about her, because SHE is her only focus, and she feels SHE should be her kids' only focus/purpose.


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I've had a strong sense for awhile now she is but playing the part of a mother, like an actress in a play. It's like she doesn't really understand what a mother is and does but she has seen mothers portrayed on TV or in tabloids and can mirror herself after that. That's why so much of what she does is often just a bit "off." She'll get it 90% right (for instance, helping your girls diaper their dollies would be great, if they were FIVE), but rarely 100%. Like someone giving first aid who has no medical training. You've heard some things and read some things about doing it, and you may save a life, but you're not going to look like a professional while doing it.

Blowing In The Wind said...

But she didn't respond to Milo's smoking question. Sorry Milo, you were ignored and I wonder why.

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Maybe she communicated it to Milo in one of the many other ways in which they chat back and forth! You know how close they are, and how many secrets they share. How else would Milo know exactly what Kate eats, what goes on in her house, that the kids excel in school, ad nauseam? She's probably sniffed Kate's clothing (in her dreams) to determine that it doesn't smell of smoke.

AuntieAnn said...

Formerly Duped said... 101

What I don't think is ok, it that TFW tweeted about it to make herself look like a kind wonderful screech-worth mom who bought Pampers for the dolls.

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My guess is she still has about a ten-year supply of preemie pampers or huggies in the basement, courtesy of her grifting.com website before they were even born. Bitch could have donated them to a needy family (or families). Bet she's saving them for her grandkids.

Milo, please ask her if I'm right about that. Thank you.

Formerly Duped said...

I think the picture is posed. One girl has her dolly between two chairs- it would fall if any real pressure was put on it, like to diaper it. I think to fit the frame Kate told that tup to move her doll there, in the crack between chairs. Those girls wear jewelry and nailpolish- I don't think they are 'littles' anymore. While playing with dolls is fine, at that age, my daughter took a pre-babysitting course and that's where SHE did her diapering of dolls. No shrieking involved.

Lalalalala said...

I've had a strong sense for awhile now she is but playing the part of a mother, like an actress in a play. It's like she doesn't really understand what a mother is and does but she has seen mothers portrayed on TV or in tabloids and can mirror herself after that. That's why so much of what she does is often just a bit "off." She'll get it 90% right (for instance, helping your girls diaper their dollies would be great, if they were FIVE), but rarely 100%. Like someone giving first aid who has no medical training. You've heard some things and read some things about doing it, and you may save a life, but you're not going to look like a professional while doing it.

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That's the profile of a sociopath.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Even Milo can't explain away why, even if Kate never touched a cigarette in her life (bad girl Kate who ran off with a boyfriend in her teens, doubt that!), she would take up with a smoker. Wouldn't healthy, responsible Kate never take up with Jon in the first place? Surely she would not want to have children with a smoker and expose them to such a degenerate lifestyle. SHE PICKED HIM. She picked him to be her husband, she picked his sperm for her children. She can stop pretending he is evil incarnate when she knowingly and willingly and aggressively snagged him as her husband.

Look Milo, Kate's not perfect. Jon's not perfect. They both have their vices. Jon's is smoking, and I think Kate's was smoking, too, at least in the past. Kate also seems preoccupied with wine, which is still alcohol. There is nothing "better" or "safer" about wine. Kate's current vice is a very unhealthy relationship with eating and diet and exercise ("nothing tastes as good as thin feels"). This kind of dysfunctional relationship with food is passed onto your children. None of this makes either of them bad people. They're just people with issues like all of us have our things and issues. Tons of people smoke and drink. Tons of people have food issues. I really could not care less about any of that crap about Kate. What concerns me is the abuse and exploitation of her children at her hand that goes far beyond mere "issues". Get it?

Paula said...

AuntieAnn said... 113..
Milo, please ask her if I'm right about that. Thank you.
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Also, Milo, some of us are still waiting with baited breath as to where we can buy Kate's "good bra".

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Wow just googling 10 year old still playing with dolls and the internet is just SWAMPED with concerns from mothers about their daughters being too old for dolls. Some even think eight year olds are too old for it. The consensus seems to be no need to make a big deal about it and hurt their feelings, but be prepared that if their peers see them doing that they will be ridiculed, and that it would be best to quietly put them away when friends come over and encourage age appropriate interests that are more mature.

The point being, did Kate ever think to be concerned like these good mothers were, so much so they actually sought out help and advice? Doubt it.

Vanessa said...

http://narcissists-suck.blogspot.ca/2006/10/narcissist-is-actor.html

SARA said...

A ten year old girl who gets her period is still a ten year old girl! And the reason girl's are getting their periods earlier isn't because they are emotionally more mature, it is because of the food they eat. Very simple.

I do think the tups probably are immature for their age and I personally see nothing wrong with them playing with dolls of any kind. This isn't a bad thing.

Of course I would hope they are have other activities as well but I don't believe that is the case.

SARA

sparkle said...

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack · 14h
The thing is...I know U would never ever trade the #CrazyLife you have! U've always seen ur kids as a blessing...a joy! @Kateplusmy8 :)
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Why does Milo always speak for Kate?

From what was shown on "the realest reality show on tv" I didn't see Kate getting any joy from her kids. I saw alot of eye rolling, yelling, mind games, telling them to go away and making fun of them. Kate is incapable of taking the bad parts of mothering, she only wants the cream on top. Sick? You're annoying me, go lay in the laundry room. Seasick? Throw up in this chum bucket because the show must go on. Gum on your lovey? I'll throw it out. You ate as much dinner as your sisters, but YOU don't get your cupcakes. You can sit and watch the girls have theirs though, I enjoy seeing you cry. How dare you touch Steve's pizza with your bare, dirty hands?

If Kate actually saw her kids as a blessing and a joy, she would devote the rest of their childhoods to giving them and herself complete privacy, while making sure they indulged in whatever activity or lesson or sport their hearts desired. People who see their children as a blessing don't put them in the spot Kate did when she dragged her twins on tv to trash their father (said... umm THE WORLD... that isn't just 15 min fodder) Those kids are mere objects to her, a means to get the money/power/ fame she craves and refuses to live without.

Vanessa said...

'Narcissists are actors playing a part. They are expert liars and, even worse, they believe their own lies. Practiced in dishonesty, they can't tell the difference between their own version of the truth and a falsehood. Narcissists lie to themselves first, and then systematically and often deliberately torture others with their lies. They may take the past and re-arrange it to make themselves look good. They rarely, if ever, admit fault and they never say they're sorry.'

AuntieAnn said...

Somewhere on the worldwide intarnetz I recall seeing a photo of Kate holding 2 or 3 cabbage patch kids. She appeared to be ten, maybe even 12-years-old. I really think she thought having a a slew of babies would be as easy as looking after dolls. Dress them and hold them when you feel like it, and then throw them in their cribs when you're tired of playing with them. Easy peezy what a breezie.

#dolliesRfun!

AuntieAnn said...

Paula said... 117


Also, Milo, some of us are still waiting with baited breath as to where we can buy Kate's "good bra".

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That's right, I forgot about that. I wanna know too! Milo, hurry up and ask.

Vanessa said...

This is interesting

IV. Celebrity, Power and Prestige

Narcissism brought on in adulthood by celebrity, power, or status has been called “Acquired Situational Narcissism*.” The attention received as a result of celebrity or prestige intensifies any EXISTING tendency toward narcissism.

Adult narcissists with status or celebrity become more self-centered because of the favorable treatment and praise they receive. They thrive on attention, and conclude from the fact that people fawn over them that their own satisfaction is what’s best for everyone.

Praise and admiration boost the narcissist’s self-esteem, but only temporarily, because it merely reflects the false self. When faced with criticism or solitude, the shadow feelings of worthlessness grow in corresponding proportion. To fight off this inner doom, narcissists double their efforts in pursuit of self glorification.

Most people are glad to enjoy some status or admiration. However, true narcissists feel ENTITLED to attention, and shamelessly pursue their own desires at all cost. In extreme cases, they will exploit those in subservient positions or at least those assumed to be subservient. Maids, housekeepers, and interns are convenient targets as they are less likely to resist those with power and prestige.

In their drive for stardom, narcissists hone the ability to exhibit socially appropriate behavior if it serves them to do so. In public, they may act like the perfect husband or wife, charismatically expressing admirable family traits such as warmth and devotion. In private, however, they may show little regard for the family’s well-being and feelings. In fact, they can be sarcastic, arrogant, and insulting.

Deceptions and lack of concern may cause you and your children to feel rejected, humiliated, and angry. It’s important to realize that the negativity is not a reflection of you, but of the narcissist’s limited ability to empathize with other people. The betrayals and attacks are not personal, but result from a craving to be seen as superior even at the cost of degrading others around them.

Nevertheless, it’s vitally important to protect yourself from demeaning behavior. It’s usually a good first step to point out that the culprit’s actions are affecting you negatively. However, it’s probably impossible to persuade a full-fledged narcissist to change given his or her primary motivating force. It’s better to know whom you are dealing with and then decide how to enjoy and/or limit the relationship.

FYI said...

When my granddaughter was 4, she had a baby doll that she used to take everywhere and pretend it was a real baby. She put real diapers on her(luckily she had a baby sister) . When she was 4!!

She no longer plays with her baby doll. The only time she plays with dolls now, is when she plays with her younger sister.

She's more interested in Legos, doing arts and crafts, reading books, and other various activities.

The tups are almost 10. It seems that by tweeting the pictures of them playing with baby dolls and other similar pictures, Kate is just trying to tell the outside world(and TV producers) that her kids are still cute and that is the reason that they should have a show.

BTW, the only screeching, shrieking, squealing, etc. I would expect to be heard in that house would be coming from Zorro.

AuntieAnn said...

Vanessa said... 122

'Narcissists are actors playing a part. They are expert liars and, even worse, they believe their own lies. Practiced in dishonesty, they can't tell the difference between their own version of the truth and a falsehood. Narcissists lie to themselves first, and then systematically and often deliberately torture others with their lies. They may take the past and re-arrange it to make themselves look good. They rarely, if ever, admit fault and they never say they're sorry.'

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Yes. It almost makes you want to keep a notebook handy or a video of your conversations with them so you know you're not losing your sanity. They are extremely convincing with their lies. They make you think you're the one who has it all wrong. One of their favorite expressions is 'don't you remember?'.

URL said...

At that age, my Barbie, Ken dolls, etc. were not having their diapers changed. I grew up with older cousins. Baby dolls in diapers were a thing of the past, but I learned a lot from my older cousins on how Ken was interacting with Barbie, Skipper and any other doll relatives, friends or even their pets during this time. It was quite surprising and shocking to me. I did get over it though.

OrangeCrusher1 said...

Lalalalala said... 115
I've had a strong sense for awhile now she is but playing the part of a mother, like an actress in a play.

Oh exactly. She doesn't have a clue how to live life, so this is all a role to her. My thoughts about the girls, the dolls and the diapers: someone asked ( not requested) about diapers. She did buy a package, since she made a big deal about her convo with a clerk, and then set up a tweet about shrieks of joy. Big effig deal about nothing. The girls might have even pulled out dolls they hardly play with. Or it was one tup, because from what the twins implied, they don't all play that well, or nicely, with each other. Poor Kate, so exhaustedish from all the scheduling for 8 kids, but what scheduling really? The twins may have an activity or two, but the tups? They go to school, come home, lather, repeat and rinse. She has homework helpers, housework helpers, and the twins probably supervise bath and bed time. It is thought being her, indeed.

sparkle said...

Vanessa said:
Most people are glad to enjoy some status or admiration. However, true narcissists feel ENTITLED to attention, and shamelessly pursue their own desires at all cost.
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That's Kate to a T..... at any cost. The cost: no family, no friends, no husband, no significant other, no job.... despised as a public figure.

Vanessa said...

And tfw? It's just a tad too late to be start playing dolls with your kids. That ship has sailed. Sensing some regret?
What am I saying? Regret that they ARE growing up and your control over them will blow up in your face

TLC stinks said...

Of course the photo is posed. Who the heck would line up the dolls in a row like that!

When I was 10 I no longer played with doll bables but had them displayed in my room. I think I was more into playing teacher, recording songs from the radio, riding my bike, etc. I really have to wonder whose idea it was to buy those diapers.

Sara, you bought up an interesting thing about diet and onset of menses. I wonder if limiting and dictating what they eat is just a way to delay the inevitable? Kate appears to be stuck in a time warp when it comes to the tups.

localyocul said...

sparkle said... 121
Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack · 14h
The thing is...I know U would never ever trade the #CrazyLife you have! U've always seen ur kids as a blessing...a joy! @Kateplusmy8 :)

(((

Not according to the article where she was begging for a baby nurse. She said if she had to do it again she would not. She said it was impossible for her to take care of six babies at once..it should be treated as a disability.

fade2black said...

Blowing In The Wind said... 112
But she didn't respond to Milo's smoking question. Sorry Milo, you were ignored and I wonder why.
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Maybe she communicated it to Milo in one of the many other ways in which they chat back and forth!
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Smoke signals?

JoyinVirginia said...

OT for GKD, more gardening questions! What type of wick do you use, what kind of material works best?
Thanks a bunch for mentioning this!
I am going to try growing some carrots, and getting some patio tomatoes started early!

FYI said...

BTW, I forgot to mention in my previous post, that my granddaughter is now 7 years old.

In response to Kate's tweet about the diapering, Milo tweeted:

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack · 14h
@Kateplusmy8 I bet ur boys were just thrilled! LOL I would imagine they have outgrown "PlayingHouse" w/sisters! What did they get? :)

So is Milo admitting that the boys are too old to "play house", but it's perfectly normal and age appropriate for the girls, who are the same age, to do so?

I, too, think the picture was a set up, just to show how "cute" the tups still are.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

There are many other things a ten year old could do for fun that are perfectly appropriate other than tattoos!

I see concerned parents who don't want their kids ridiculed or to lag behind emotionally and developmentally, nothing more. There's nothing wrong with paying attention. Sometimes kids need a bit of encouragement to move to the next stage. Left to their own devices I'm sure many kids would prefer to play all day in kindergarten for several years instead of moving on to the real work of higher grades.

URL said...

I will say it doesn't always matter whether or not a child has been exposed to a parent or parents smoking to determine whether or not their own child or children will smoke. I've never been a smoker and even though my childrens' father smoked prior to their birth, he never smoked in front of them ( he did smoke on occasion during business trips or social situations with others where he also drank and basically bummed cigarettes, but never in front of my kids). My father and grandfather were heavy smokers, my father smoking up to 4 pack/day. My grandparents lived with us since I was a toddler, so I was exposed to a lot of smoke. I think the best thing my father did for me personally was give me a cigarette at 8 years old because I was inquisitive and wanted to try one. He told me to take a few puffs and make sure I inhaled. I never had any desire to smoke again and in fact developed allergic asthma to smoke when I was in my 30's. My parents died in their 60's, my mother died from lung cancer second hand smoke at 63 even though she never smoked, my father (even though he quit smoking) after my mother, died at 68 from lung cancer. Prior to my father dying, my grandfather also died from lung cancer from long term smoking and my childrens' paternal grandfather also died from lung cancer due to smoking. Aside from all the deaths and talks about how smoking is not good for you, and having several close family members pass away from lung cancer, my oldest son smokes. He started smoking just on occasion when he was out with friends (unfortunately the majority of his friends also smoke) and over time started smoking regularly. There's nothing I can say to change his mind regarding the health effects from smoking at this time. He just claims it won't affect him because he doesn't smoke that much. He also developed allergic asthma to smoke when he was younger. I am devastated that he is smoking especially when he knows the detrimental long term affects that this could cause on his health.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

The cdc actually suggests that low self esteem, lack of parental involvement, aggressive behavior, advertising, and whether your peers also smoke is as much if not more of a factor than whether your parents smoke. So it does no good for a parent never to smoke and think they are doing their kids all these favors and are such a great parent to not smoke, if they are an uninvolved parent or are not promoting good self esteem in their children or letting their kids hang out with the wrong crowd.

TLC stinks said...

Zorro must be forgotten like Shoka.

Anonymous said...

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack · 14h
@Kateplusmy8 I bet ur boys were just thrilled! LOL I would imagine they have outgrown "PlayingHouse" w/sisters! What did they get? :)

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Yes, Milo, do tell? Are you calling Krieder out for her treatment of the boys? What DID the boys get??????

PJ

AuntieAnn said...

A bedtime lesson in diapering their babies..w REAL pampers! They screeched w delight when I honored their request!
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Seriously, what's next? Opening a jar of Gerbers bananas?

Putting pampers on a doll OR a baby is about as difficult as fluffing a couch cushion. Cloth diapers are another story.

The woman is a freaking moron.

getofftwitter said...

I had baby dolls & Barbies, when I was little. Grew out of the baby doll, when I started school(about 5). It was Barbie doll till I was 10-11. Then it was singing stars(David Cassidy, Donny Osmond). I was collecting certain Barbies, these are the ones, you do not play with. I also like to re-invent Barbie( punk, space, other characters, that Mattel would never make). My mother would never have bought baby diapers for a doll, she would have me make them, out of paper towels or cloth. For someone who is pieceing & patching finances, she sure blows money like water.
JMO: at 9 almost 10, they are a little old to be playing with baby dolls, I would think they would be playing with Barbie. Please, don't make a thing about playing with Barbie. I would just dress them up in all kinds of fashion ideas, just to see how it would work. I never used or thought of the Barbie as a role model to want to be, just like a Barbie doll. It was a doll, nothing more.

The Empress Was Stripped Bare-Nekkid said...

Something Real author Heather Demetrios was interviewed by the Huffington Post! Excerpt:

What was the inspiration behind your book Something Real?

I saw a People magazine a couple years ago with Kate Gosselin and her kids on the cover and my first thought was, what is it going to be like for those kids when they become teenagers? That was all I needed to get excited about the book. It's basically a "what if?" story and I took it to one possible logical conclusion. I mean, it's hard enough being a teenager. Everyone's watching everyone, you're trying to figure out who you are, and what boundaries to push. But to do that on national television? Yikes.


The entire interview is available here:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/valerie-tejeda/step-inside-reality-tv-wi_b_4800609.html

URL said...

Admin. with all due respect to your post, my older son started smoking in his middle twenties. He certainly wasn't a teenager at the time when he started smoking. He's in his late twenties now. There certainly was no lack of parental involvement that contributed to his smoking and lack of self esteem didn't even contribute to his desire to smoke, but more because this is unfortunately the norm for his friends and girlfriend he chose to be with. He also doesn't look at the long term consequences of smoking, he lives in the now in his mind and not at any long term consequences that may result from smoking.

Jeanne said...

I played with my Barbies when I was 10-11 years old. I wasn't diapering them. I think it's ok for 10 year olds to play with dolls if that's what they like. It's not fine for their mother to be inventing weird scenarios to put on Twitter about it. It's also not fine to say that all your girls always want to do the exact same thing when they play. It would be ok for one girl to be playing dolls and one girl playing Legos and one girl reading. Kate is either making it all up or it's part of her control that they can only play with one thing. However, I wouldn't be surprised if she had done the diapering while the kids were at school to set up this Twitter episode.

I hadn't thought about the hormones in food and puberty. It could be why she won't buy milk. But you can buy hormone free milk. My sister does that because she is worried about the effects on puberty for her kids. Also, you've heard about gymnasts who don't get their cycle. Maybe she thinks starving them will keep away puberty (not thinking about how the exercise works too).

Millicent said...

Admin - just wanted to add my kudos to your recap. You know, if ever you have the inclination and the crazy notion, maybe one day you'd create another blog wherein you just recap certain shows for people. It saves me from watching this show, yet I still get to vicariously experience it in a much better way.

For example, I'm caught up in the messy situation created by Wu Tang, and gave a thumbs up when I read that Kelsey is through with him, and probably Latrice as well. Ha ha! Even better that the two women sort of bonded over the experience and offered support to the other.

Okay, back to the regularly scheduled programming :)

GKD said...

Joy, I used a piece of felt that I got at the craft store & cut it into short strips that I used for the wick. It works great & cost about $2.

Here's another idea I tried last year, but we just had too much rain for it to work, so I'm trying it again this year. It's growing potatoes in a laundry basket. They say you should get 8-10 lbs of potatoes from each basket.

http://www.vegetablegardener.com/item/5215/growing-potatoes-in-a-laundry-basket

We also went vertical last year with our vine plants, such as squash & cukes. We tried 2 ideas last year. We put a tomato cage upside down over a squash plant and each day wove the growth UP the cage. We also built round chicken wire cages to put around the cucumbers. Each day, weaving the daily growth thru the wire. It kept the plants off the ground & help avoid squash rot. We got a LOT more produce off of the vertical plants than ones we didn't cage. I was able to can almost 50 jars of pickles from just ONE pickling cucumber plant.

We also "companion" plant. We put certain plants that benefit from each other together. We had green beans growing UP the corn stalks. It gave the corn stalks more strength against wind & rain, plus it meant we didn't have to make anything for the beans to grow onto. We also surround the garden edges in marigolds & sunflowers on the corners for good bugs & to cut down on any pesticides needed. I plant sunflowers that produce seeds & then I have sunflower seeds to toast for snacks. I also hang disposable tin foil pie pans (with a metal washer tied to it) all thru the garden to keep birds & squirrels away.

Tucker's Mom said...

T said... 89
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http://www.amazon.com/Art-Raising-Puppy-Revised/dp/0316083275

http://www.amazon.com/How-Your-Dogs-Best-Friend/dp/0316610003/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1392787473&sr=1-2
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Thank you for reminding me of this great resource. I had not thought of them in a very long time. I will look into it.
Right now, I feel so scattered and all over the place! It's like I'm just trying to play "catch up", but I am already working on basic commands, responding to his name and a bit of socializing.
He's an outgoing puppy, and is inquisitive, no fearful. I think he's got great potential to be a therapy dog, so it's all on me to make it happen!
I'm praying for guidance, and getting some hands-on guidance, too ;)

Amy2 said...

Has anyone heard whether Jon filed for primary custody of the children yet?

Millicent said...

getofftwitter said:
My mother would never have bought baby diapers for a doll, she would have me make them, out of paper towels or cloth
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Same here. My mom and dad had 8 kids and so they had to spend their money wisely. My mother used cloth diapers on the first 6 kids too (yikes!). I don't recall any of my sisters or I actually requesting diapers for our baby dolls. I do recall having at least one doll that pee'd, that my mom said was just for when we were taking a bath - lol.

I was trying to think if I ever screeched or shrieked with alleged joy over something my parents gave me as a kid, and I can't recall doing so. As a group of kids (myself and 3 younger siblings), we certainly made our fair share of noise - but learned from an early age that when inside, we were to use "inside voices" and save our wilder moments for the great outdoors. We were also discouraged from making noises that could sound like we were hurt, which would include shrieking. The last thing a parent wants to hear when your kids are running around in the field is a shriek that could mean "bitten by a snake", "fell down and got hurt" or otherwise. Laughter, calling out to each other, whooping or whistling - all fine. Screaming, shrieking, screeching - we would have been told to knock it off.

Millicent said...

URL - I'm sorry that your son has taken up smoking, but you made a valid point. As parents, our job is to be good role models for our children and guide them as they grow into adults. However, our children are individuals and will make their own choices. Some of those choices we may not agree with -- but once they are adults, we have to keep out of their business and hope for the best. Hopefully, your son will decide to quit smoking soon. Maybe he'll get tired of the cost, or maybe he'll meet a girl who doesn't like the way he smells when he smokes, or maybe he'll arrive at the decision another way.

My son is very anti-smoking now, and I hope that continues into adulthood. It's so hard to see our kids making a choice we know is not for the best, but that's also part of being an adult.

TLC stinks said...

Good question, Milo...what did she buy for the boys?

Julie said...

As per CDC: Second hand smoke effects
Health Effects: Children

In children, secondhand smoke causes the following:3
Ear infections
More frequent and severe asthma attacks
Respiratory symptoms (e.g., coughing, sneezing, shortness of breath)
Respiratory infections (i.e., bronchitis, pneumonia)
A greater risk for sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS)

In children aged 18 months or younger, secondhand smoke exposure is responsible for—4
An estimated 150,000–300,000 new cases of bronchitis and pneumonia annually
Approximately 7,500–15,000 hospitalizations annually in the United States

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I don't thinks anyone disputes second hand smoke is bad. Of course it is. However Jon was always shown smoking outside and he was 3000 miles away from his children. We were talking about what puts a child at higher risk of starting in the first place, not whether second hand smoke is bad. That's two different issues.

It was asserted that Jon sets a bad example for his kids by smoking however research suggests children may be just as influenced if not more so by other factors such as peers or other home conditions and that other aspects of parenting may be far more important than whether a parent puffs away themselves outside. Arguably, Kate's abuse of her children may play a much bigger role in whether they light up later in life than whether Kate or Jon smoke themselves, yet all the pearl clutching is on Jon puffing up, outside, 3000 miles away from his children. I don't get it.

Julie said...

It is what it is.

smoking picture

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Stanford researchers concluded that when you smoke outside you need be but a few feet away from others before the risk of second hand smoke reduces to zero. If it's an issue for Kate despite the research, surely she could get their judge to intervene, no?

rainbowsandunicorns said...

Maybe she communicated it to Milo in one of the many other ways in which they chat back and forth!
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Smoke signals?

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lol! Couldn't happen. Kate doesn't smoke. Maybe, though, that's how Milo does her communicatin with Jon and Liz.

Paula said...

What's great about Google? You can "google" and find any article to back up your point of view. I like that Admin can make her points without having to cut and paste and article into the blog.

rainbowsandunicorns said...

Vanessa (125). Wow! That was written about Kate! Not only interesting, but downright dead-on and in fact, quite scary when you think that she exhibits everything written there. She needs help. Yesterday.

sparkle said...

Another excerpt from the HuffPost article about Heather Demetrios:

"Jon and Kate Plus 8" was definitely the most inspirational. I've never seen the Kardashians and I only watched "Jon and Kate" after I decided to write the book. When I'm mad about something I write about it and that show definitely made me mad. What's been really cool about this book is the opportunity it has given me to get on my reality TV soapbox. I actually think shows that feature talented people can be really cool -- the cooking shows, Project Runway... these shows have an educational component and it's interesting to see behind the scenes of those worlds. But I really question if it should even be legal to have kids on reality TV. It's a really grey area. Can these kids consent to this with the full knowledge of what they're doing? I can't imagine how much it would have sucked to have the entire country watch my parents' marriage fall apart. Or for people to be able to access videos of me growing up: tantrums, fights with siblings, all that stuff.

Amen Heather, amen.

Word of warning though... you have publicly gone on the record and expressed your dismay at the Gosselin children being used as commodites and as the sole source of income for their family. This will not be tolerated. Expect Radar to publish an article in the next several hours about that Butterfinger you lifted from the corner store when you were 12.
(I kid, I kid!)

Carole said...

GKD,
Coincidence, just today I talked with someone who grew potatoes in a laundry basket last year. She said she got some potatoes but they were on the small side so this year she's going to try using different seed potatoes to start. I hope you have great results!
I used to vegetable garden but have gotten out of the practice, however your talk about it and the nicer weather this week has spurred me to partner with a friend and vegetable garden together this summer.

A question about your chicken wire cuke mounds. How large did you make yours? I'm thinking 3' diameter for the smaller pickle cukes, or is that too small?

rainbowsandunicorns said...

For goodness sakes, Kate. I just got back from Target, and they have doll diapers on sale...tiny, newborn, velcro, look exactly like Pampers -- six for $4.99. The kids wouldn't know the difference, and it's much easier than to make diapers out of cloth and fool around with safety pins as enclosures.

rainbowsandunicorns said...

The photo of Jon smoking -- caption:

"Smoky air: Jon has a cigarette in close proximity to his son. The little boy doesn't look like he's enjoying himself"

"The boy" isn't even looking at his father. He's watching something, most likely someone in the pool. How in the world could the "author" say that he doesn't look like he's not enjoying himself? He's not frowning, resting, observing. Sheesh!

Anonymous said...

I do not like Kate. I do not like anything about her, but why are so many people still harping about her? She is a has been reality star who is no longer relevant.

PA Dutch Mom said...

OT, kind of, for the old time cooks!

From our local online news website --


http://lancasteronline.com/lifestyle/vintage-recipes-still-can-be-treasured-and-used-with-revisions/article_b32686dc-98db-11e3-a60e-001a4bcf6878.htm

Kelly said...

Tucker's Mom, I am sooo jellus! I've had puppy fever for months but haven't found the right one yet so it's just the hubs, me & our old guy Boxer. I wish I had some sage advice for you but unfortunately we could never get our Boxer & Bully to get along. We ended up having to keep them separated. I'm fairly certain though that the problem was ours and not the dogs'.

CAnana: that's the way both myself & my husband were able to give up the cigs. I also used nicotine patches for about two weeks. I swear by bupropion HCl (generic wellbutrin) and it's really cheap. I tell people that honestly if it weren't for that medicine, I never would have quit. It's literal!y a miracle worker. I'm so glad it helped you.

Jon's got his issues, just like most people, but he trumps KIGgie in the parenting arena every single time. I don't believe he's mentally I'll or abusive and we know for a fact that TFW is. Thank God he isn't cut from the same cloth that she is, otherwise the kids would have no chance at all.

PatK said...

Anonymous said... 165
I do not like Kate. I do not like anything about her, but why are so many people still harping about her? She is a has been reality star who is no longer relevant.

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Oh, but she's the gift that keeps on giving!

GKD said...

Carole, I'm glad I was able to inspire you back into gardening. It's a lot of work, but the payoff is completely worth it IMO.

Here's the closest pic to what we did that I could find.

http://www.trellis-netting.com/template/images/chicken-wire-trellis.jpg

Except ours weren't in a pot & we didn't need to use stakes. I'd say each plant had 2 feet of chicken wire, made into a circle/tunnel & then held together by zip ties. We set a circle over each plant and then daily just fed the growth up & thru the wire. Whenever we saw a flower/bud, we made sure it was in/thru the chicken wire for support as it grew into a cuke. I know hubby didn't cut down the wire, it was whatever height the chicken wire came in. (I suck at measurements) I'd say each cage was a little more than knee high on me. It also made picking much easier (less bending). There is a ton of ideas out there for trellis gardening. Just google Vertical gardening or garden trellis. Some are simple & easy, some are very elaborate & would cost more in money & time.

sparkle said...

Julie said... 156
It is what it is.

smoking picture
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Whatever. Deflect, deflect, deflect, deflect, deflect, deflect. Then rinse and repeat.

When there's video out there of the tups screaming hysterically upon being returned to their mother, or a picture of Kate smacking one of the boys and covering his mouth because he said hello to a pap, or a book Kate wrote (and claims to be proud of) dissecting all her childrens faults and perceived imperfections.... is a picture of Jon smoking outdoors with a child nearby THAT big of a deal? I think not.

handinhand said...

I found this upcoming CT clip refernced on John Bluher's (Taylor's fiance) Twitter. John does dish about CT if you scroll through a bit and actually has some nice things to say about Jon and Liz.

http://www.vh1.com/video/misc/1004808/is-jon-gosselin-repeating-disruptive-relationship-patterns.jhtml

Mel said...

Word of warning though... you have publicly gone on the record and expressed your dismay at the Gosselin children being used as commodites and as the sole source of income for their family. This will not be tolerated. Expect Radar to publish an article in the next several hours about that Butterfinger you lifted from the corner store when you were 12.
(I kid, I kid!)


What's sad....some people probably *will* start digging into her life.

Jumping In said...

ALL three girls wanted to diaper their dolls at once, what are the odds? This is just another example of Kate lumping her kids together in units.

These children are constantly encouraged to do the same things at the same time for her photo-ops. As I have said before, they must be sick of the sight of one another, on top of that, displaying their supposed joint interest in things for their lazy-ass mother.

Their individual interests are being thwarted because their mother sees them in numbers, 6 and 2, the numbers that made her famous.

rainbowsandunicorns said...

When there's video out there of the tups screaming hysterically upon being returned to their mother, or a picture of Kate smacking one of the boys and covering his mouth because he said hello to a pap, or a book Kate wrote (and claims to be proud of) dissecting all her childrens faults and perceived imperfections.... is a picture of Jon smoking outdoors with a child nearby THAT big of a deal? I think not.

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I think about the photos of Jon and his kids, and the love we see in these candid photos. I don't have time to find the one I really like -- Hannah running to him at the bus stop, and the one of him with one of the girls, taken from the back, sitting on the bench. Perhaps someone could find them. Yes, there are photos of him smoking, but there are also pictures like these:

Happy to see Daddy, smoking or not...

http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/Z4eoACeqsHh/Jon+Gosselin+Picking+Up+Mady+Cara+Bus+Stop/SyCabG6Z8tS

http://www.zimbio.com/photos/Jon+Gosselin/Hannah+Gosselin/Jon+Gosselin+Picking+Up+Kids+Bus+Stop/EdalYiKvCiQ

Lila said...

sparkle said... 170
Julie said... 156
It is what it is.

smoking picture
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Whatever. Deflect, deflect, deflect, deflect, deflect, deflect. Then rinse and repeat.

When there's video out there of the tups screaming hysterically upon being returned to their mother, or a picture of Kate smacking one of the boys and covering his mouth because he said hello to a pap, or a book Kate wrote (and claims to be proud of) dissecting all her childrens faults and perceived imperfections.... is a picture of Jon smoking outdoors with a child nearby THAT big of a deal? I think not.

The one doing the deflecting is you. Kate's parenting stands on its own, as does Jon's. I happen to believe that smoking in front of a child is a big deal. That doesn't preclude Kate from having engaged in behavior that is worse. It's not a competition.

Lalalalala said...

I, for one, am sick to death of this smoking conversation. Yes, smoking is bad for you. I think we all agree on that but smoking cigarettes does NOT define you as a person. Let's move on.

Anonymous said...

That Lauren person on twitter irritates the CRAP out of me! Now she has that a cancelled Amber Alert means a kid was found alive. Couldn't be further from the truth. The little Missouri girl the Amber Alert was issued for last night was found DEAD in her captors house. Hits close to home as my sister lives near where the little girl was taken.

Lauren can FOAD

Pam

Paula said...

The sheeple have never been able to come up with any real proof that Jon is a bad parent/role model/person. The "smoking issue" is just another in a long line of failures. I am sitting here trying to hazard a guess as to their next "spin" against Jon. Any guesses?

PatK said...

Lalalalala said... 176
I, for one, am sick to death of this smoking conversation. Yes, smoking is bad for you. I think we all agree on that but smoking cigarettes does NOT define you as a person. Let's move on.

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Sing it, Sista!

AuntieAnn said...

PA Dutch Mom said... 166

OT, kind of, for the old time cooks!

From our local online news website --


http://lancasteronline.com/lifestyle/vintage-recipes-still-can-be-treasured-and-used-with-revisions/article_b32686dc-98db-11e3-a60e-001a4bcf6878.htm

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I have three of those books. The Boston Cooking School Cookbook, Joy, and Larousse Gastronomique, the book of sacred knowledge of cookery as far as I'm concerned.

I really enjoy old time cooking. A couple of weeks ago I made something I'd never tried before - hamloaf. (Kate, sit up and pay attention to this) I followed a recipe by Lisa Abraham. It was delicious. I did not know it was common Pennsylvania fare.

Unknown said...

Lalalalala said... 176
''I, for one, am sick to death of this smoking conversation. Yes, smoking is bad for you. I think we all agree on that but smoking cigarettes does NOT define you as a person. Let's move on.''
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You aren't the only one that is sick and tired of this 'talking point'. This nonsense has gone on and on and on and on long enough! Dragging it up over again and over again is what happens on TCFW's twitter timeline, and I really hate to see happening on this blog. Comply with rule #3 and. move. on. PLEASE !! !!!!!!

AuntieAnn said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 137

There are many other things a ten year old could do for fun that are perfectly appropriate other than tattoos!

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Don't tell me ten-year-olds are getting tattoos now. Oy.

Speaking of which...I just spent a few days sitting beside my son's bed in the hospital during an unrelenting ketoacidosis episode. I have a question for nurses out there: Are hospitals profiling patients now? They wanted to know if he had a tattoo. I understand the need for that query, but not this one: What is it of? WTF? What difference does it make what it's of? I was gobsmacked. The doctor wrote it down on his chart for crying out loud. I'm getting a little paranoid about the medical world when they start wanting to know what a tattoo is about.

AuntieAnn said...

Julie said... 154

As per CDC: Second hand smoke effects
Health Effects: Children

In children, secondhand smoke causes the following:3
Ear infections

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I'd be more worried about that third ear than the infection.

rainbowsandunicorns said...

I was thinking about that, too. Could it be because most of her fans are kids themselves...the young teens who will "aw" and tweet "so cute" and can identify with children because they are barely past that stage right now? Her TL suggests that it's these youngsters who find it adorable when Kate tweets pics and cute sayings. Adult do, too, but the teens seem to hop right on there and think that everything Kate and the kids do is adorable, especially when she's infantilizing them

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Even adults "act" like kids. This one is married, but appears to be very immature. What adult wants to know the names of the kids' dolls? She asked twice.

Cristina Rich ‏@Sienna_Star
@Kateplusmy8 What are the doll's names?

Cristina Rich ‏@Sienna_Star 21h
@Kateplusmy8 I'm surprised Alexis isn't diapering her "Aldergator" LOL!

Cristina Rich ‏@Sienna_Star
@Kateplusmy8 That's soooo cute, very fun idea. I love the babies, what are their names?

Cristina Rich ‏@Sienna_Star
@CrazyforKate @Kateplusmy8 Very cool, what are the chances. I'm C buddies w/Cara & Collin.

"C" buddies? Because her first name begins with the same letters as two of the boys?

Tucker's Mom said...

Speaking of which...I just spent a few days sitting beside my son's bed in the hospital during an unrelenting ketoacidosis episode.
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Sending good thoughts for your son ;)

Anonymous said...

I've never commented on this blog before, although I do read often. However, this one topic about dolls has me itching to respond. I'm a 5th grade teacher, and have kids aged anywhere from 10 to 12 in my classroom. Playing with dolls at even their ages, is perfectly normal. Some of my girls are trying to replicate music videos that they never should have seen yet. Some are gossiping about boys, shedding tears over drama between friends, and otherwise giving me gray hair. Others are busy talking about how they can't wait to create jewelry out of those darn Rainbow Loom rubber bands. A lot of my kids snatch up extra worksheets I have so they can "play school" when they go home. And surely, others go home and play with their dolls.

I played with dolls until I was probably 13...with friends the same age! Not that I would have wanted my mother to air that "inside info" to the world, though. That's a totally different, cringe-worthy situation.

Long story short: I think it's great when kids can just be kids. As long as they keep the shrieking to a minimum, for goodness sake. :-)

Math Girl said...

Since the subject of tattoos came up, I thought people might like to see the tattoos of the woman who just won the gold medal in bobsled at the Olympics. I am a bit tattoo-phobic, but these pictures might make you change your mind about the stereotype of a tattooed person.

Do a google search for "kaillie humphries tattoo" (leave out the quotation marks). Click on images and then on the image you like, or click on the canadian living article.

PA Dutch Mom said...

I'd be more worried about that third ear than the infection.

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Oh, AuntieAnn! lol!! The third and fourth ears growing out of the head of one of the girls on the cookbook photo cover? That would concern me. Especially the color and texture!

Pam said, "Anonymous said... 177
That Lauren person on twitter irritates the CRAP out of me! "

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Ditto. She's annoying, but she's also very strange...not much there in the upstairs department. I think it's a Milo-In-Training, but she can't get past the entry level.

Auntie said, "I really enjoy old time cooking. A couple of weeks ago I made something I'd never tried before - hamloaf. (Kate, sit up and pay attention to this) I followed a recipe by Lisa Abraham. It was delicious. I did not know it was common Pennsylvania fare. "

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Oh, yes it is! ;-) We had some last night. I prefer to make my own, but when I really get a spur of the moment craving, I buy it pre-made. Most of the home town independent stores here sell it already made in their deli section in little tin foil pans. I just add my own glaze. When I make it "from scratch," I usually use S. Clyde Weaver's (Lebanon, PA) recipe because it's so easy. You can't mess it up:

http://www.sclydeweaver.com/Recipes.aspx

PA Dutch Mom said...

Kate Gosselin ‏@Kateplusmy8 3m
Hanging out by the fireplace ..Joel is entertaining me & making me laugh while Collin & Aaden rub my back #lovemyboys pic.twitter.com/jYyieLqiZs

Me, Me, Me. She's getting her back rubbed. Can't forget to include herself in that tweet.

Last night attention was on the girls. Someone asked about the boys. Now we have the boys giving her a massage. Good lord.

I hope that Jon is keeping note of all of these photos and tweets. What boy wants his classmates to know that they are rubbing their mother's back?

Aunt Connie said...

Julie said... 156
It is what it is.

smoking picture
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Wow! Did you read the article (?) with those photos? What a Kate-Fan.
Really one-sided opinions by the author (?)

NJGal51 said...

Ramona and Lalalalala - I agree with you and everyone else who is sick and tired of the smoking discussion. Jon smokes. So what. Please just move on. I find myself scrolling more than I ever have.

AuntieAnn - I hope that your son is feeling better.

As for TFW she is just unbelievable. Here's her latest tweet.
@Kateplusmy8: Hanging out by the fireplace ..Joel is entertaining me & making me laugh while Collin & Aaden rub my back #lovemyboys pic.twitter.com/jYyieLqiZs

A least they're not diapering dolls!

PatK said...

Kate Gosselin‏@Kateplusmy8·17m
Hanging out by the fireplace ..Joel is entertaining me & making me laugh while Collin & Aaden rub my back #lovemyboys pic.twitter.com/jYyieLqiZs

Fired Up 4 Kate‏@MiloandJack·2m
@Kateplusmy8 BTW...glad 2see U got fireplace WORKING! Remember when power went out...no heat & we were wanting U 2lite the fireplace? :)


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Calm down, Milo. She didn't say the fireplace was working. Just that they're hanging out by it.

PA Dutch Mom said...

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack 2m
@Kateplusmy8 BTW...glad 2see U got fireplace WORKING! Remember when power went out...no heat & we were wanting U 2lite the fireplace? :)

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack 14m
@Kateplusmy8 So what are the #EYES saying 2Mom there? Joel used 2say..."My mom is bootiful"....LOL

She honestly believes that she's there and part of the family. Kate, be careful. Not only is this one downright creepy, but she's got more than a few screws loose.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Stop the presses. I got my check from my class action lawsuit with Bank o America.

$14.39!!

I'm taking you all out to dinner.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Since the subject of tattoos came up, I thought people might like to see the tattoos of the woman who just won the gold medal in bobsled at the Olympics. I am a bit tattoo-phobic, but these pictures might make you change your mind about the stereotype of a tattooed person.

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Those are nice. Tattoos are like smoking to me. I don't have them. But having them doesn't in an of itself make you a bad parent or "bad example." So your kid decides to get one--it's not the end of the world, they could be doing a lot worse things, and most of them are covered by clothes most of the time anyway. Kelsey has tattoos but she has the sweetest heart and the housemates seem to love her. It all goes back to not judging someone just because you lead a pious lifestyle and they don't do what you do. Besides, some of the most pious people have been exposed as frauds, probably because it was an unrealistic expectation of themselves. Look at all the pastors and clergy found having affairs, embezzling money, molesting children, etc. I'm sure they looked down on tattoos and smoking too and pearl clutched over all sorts of petty behaviors, but I'll take a tattooed smoker any day over a child molester--who cares.

PA Dutch Mom said...

Wow! Did you read the article (?) with those photos? What a Kate-Fan.
Really one-sided opinions by the author (?)

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lol, yes! Just a little bit slanted! Not surprising that a sheeple would link it.

AuntieAnn said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 185

Stop the presses. I got my check from my class action lawsuit with Bank o America.

$14.39!!

I'm taking you all out to dinner.

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Oh goodie. I love a good cup-of-soup.

Congrats, anyway. I suppose we won't even be able to talk to you now. Money changes people ya know.

Empress Was Stripped Bare-Nekkid said...

Admin, all this fussin' is stressing me out. Whaddya say we get some down-home comfort food --Roscoe's Chicken 'n' Waffles, maybe?

Tucker's Mom said...

Kate Gosselin ‏@Kateplusmy8 3m
Hanging out by the fireplace ..Joel is entertaining me & making me laugh while Collin & Aaden rub my back #lovemyboys pic.twitter.com/jYyieLqiZs
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OK, that's officially creepy.

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