Kelly, about a beer run. .so sorry. .lol. We in Quebec just call our corner store (deppaneur) for delivery.
Snap! Lol
About sleeping and locked doors. My dd crawled into bed with me every night until she hit 12, suffered from night terrors. I NEVER thought to even close my door.
I am her mother, her safe place, and I cherish talking her to sleep as Maman et bebe dauphins arc-en-ciel qui naugent l'ocean entier ensemble.
Oh, and I forgot to add to my post (176) that I thought about taking a picture of my "act of kindness" (helping the family who was left without anything after a fire), and submitting it to Kate's Not A Contest. I didn't know, however, if the deadline was extended! I wonder if she's still accepting entries. Then again, I don't want to add to the thousands that she's received and make more work for her!
Carole said... 154 @theMaggieWeber If nothing else, taking 7 preschoolers on a field trip by myself has taught me I do not wish to be Kate Gosselin. #mayhem
@Sassccha @theMaggieWeber Kate has never done that; has always had help. You should have had help as well. #kateplusmy8
Yep, she had help or used fear of panic ensuing among the mediocre public for not taking them anywhere. ha ****** When Kate did tag along as one of the moms on her kids' school trip, she actually complained about it being boring.
Cristina Rich @Sienna_Star 21m @Kateplusmy8 I was in Toys r Us today w/my husband Ted & he was playing w/some cars & I thought of the epi when u were there. It was funny
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Who in the bleep are these sheeple? This one likes American Girl dolls, Barbies and Calico Critters and her husband plays with cars...
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My husband loves when we go to the toy store to shop for the grandkids. He plays with the cars (Hot Wheels) and the dinosaurs. But then again, he takes trip to Mars in a recliner.
Beyond DIsgusted said... 193 ''.....However, I'm like those from Missouri. Show me. Show me the court ruling signed by the judge, and then I'll believe it. Would speculations hold up in court? No. A jury has to see proof, and like members on a jury, some here need to see proof. Without it, then it remains speculation.'' ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I have the feeling that no matter what sort of ''proof'' you are given it would not be enough to satisfy you. The expectation that anyone should be able to see the private court rulings by a judge in family court is not only unreasonable, but just plain nonsense. The CPS reports and court rulings are PRIVATE and for you to use that fact as a reason to demand the same proof a jury would see is going way toooooo far, in my opinion!
If I remember correctly, she was diagnosed as Bi-Polar, and with her background felt that she could become famous and gain attention (BPD) by having multiple kids post twins.
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I must really be out of the loop, or I'm three sheets to the wind right now. When was she diagnosed as being bipolar? I recall reading somewhere (Robert's book?) that relatives speculated that she could be bipolar, but was a definite diagnosis ever made?
I did not comment on this matter on this blog, IIRC another local did post on this blog and it was what I had heard through my friend.
I was livid when Kate used this opportunity to go on TV and lied. It occurred to me that Kate herself sold the story knowing it would give her an opportunity to go on TV. Of course the sheeple believed it was Jon but we bloggers will never know who did it - Kate, Jon or someone at the school. ************************** Kate lied because her story didn't jibe with what you heard through the "grapevine?" Maybe the local gossip wasn't entirely accurate either. Did that thought ever occur to you or do you blithely believe every rumor you hear?
You also can see clearly that Kate's frustration is not that Jon doesnt do enough work around the house, but when he is done his work, he dare not sit and relax ( even tho she slept in and drank coffee while he worked) while Kate does hers. ******* YESYESYESYESYESYES!!!!!!!!!!!!
The episode where Kate is making lunch (doling grapes and cheese onto paper plates) while Jon idles in neutral on the other side of the counter was probably the moment that I began to loathe her. Jon had gotten up early with the kids. Dressed them. Fed them breakfast. Played with and supervised them all morning. Got them into their seats at the table for lunch. Then.............he dared to rest his ass against the counter while Kate "made lunch". Well, Kate snarks to the camera that she wishes she and Jon could trade places so that she could just stand around and do nothing.
Jane said... 2 OT for a sec. Check out the Valentine Mia Farrow sent Woody Allen in 1992. It was originally shown on 60 Minutes. This is something Kate would do.
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/mia-farrow-threatening-1992-valentine-day-woody-allen-article-1.1605686'' ~~~~~~~~~~~ I did see that valentine, and that WA said it was threatening him. However, IF you look closely at the valentine, what I saw was something very different. The ''needles'' were all piercing the children's hearts, and the knife through Mia (that he called ''it'') had one of the nude photos he had taken of her child wrapped around the handle. I thought it was a very graphic and effective way of showing him what his behavior had done to her and her children. WAY too sophisticated and intelligent for TCFW to accomplish!
I remember when a story circulated that Jon got drunk and broke into the chicken house. It was put forth as being absolutely true, but when asked for proof and a police report, I believe the answer was that Kate didn't press charges and therefore no police report was available. Whenever the police respond to a call, there is a record of that call, By law, there must be, regardless of whether charges were pressed or not. Police calls are logged in, with the date, time, place, responding officer, and nature of the call.
We never did find out whether that "story" was true, or the work of a local who came up with it, someone added to it, and put it out there as gospel.
I tend to treat celeb rumors like I do court cases. Contrary to the movies there's rarely ever a smoking gun, or DNA proof, or a video tape. But what you do usually have is enough evidence to make a reasonable judgment what probably happened. Enough to make a reasonable call what happened based on reasonable inferences and common sense and history. Sometimes it's wrong. Usually right. Some people call this the smell test. If it smells funny it probably is. What we know for sure of Kate treats food smells funny. The other stuff makes sense and has been corroborated by multiple people. So, it probably is true. But if that's not enough for you, that's up to you. No sense in trying to change your mind.
Jon said himself that the tip of Collin's finger was cut off. He found it and I believe an ambulance was called to take him to the hospital because there was so much blood. The doctors sewed the tip back on his finger. Jon's own words.
I don't think there was an amputation, I think it was just the tip of a finger or possible loss of a nail if slammed in a door. Those things can bleed like hell but normally heal on their own. ******* That's what I thought when I read about this incident in Robert's Book aka: Kate's journal. It thought it terrible for Kate to wave Jon on and tell him to go take care of it while she stayed at the restaurant. But, on the VH1 clip, Jon says clearly that Collin's fingertip was severed and had to be reattached. An ambulance was called and the tip was kept on ice until he got to the hospital. Funny, how something that HUGE, resulting from the kids feuding, never made it into the show. Hmm, huh?
Over And Out said... 10 ''...I remember when a story circulated that Jon got drunk and broke into the chicken house.'' ''....We never did find out whether that "story" was true, or the work of a local who came up with it, someone added to it, and put it out there as gospel.'' ~~~~~~~~~ I don't remember the chicken house story the same way. From what I remember, that entire story was put out there as a way to see if ??? was repeating things they were told. And since the story wasn't true, put WAS passed on, ??? failed the test. My old mind isn't filling in the blanks right now, so I hope someone out there knows what I'm talking about.
The expectation that anyone should be able to see the private court rulings by a judge in family court is not only unreasonable, but just plain nonsense.
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I think that everyone understands that, but I believe that the point being made is that unless proof is given, how does anyone know that a judge ruled on this? Bottom line is...we don't. One person might say, "The Gosselins are eating the same sandwiches every day." Another might say, "Yes, and did you hear protective services were involved?" Someone else adds, "I heard that Kate was told in court that she is forbidden to do this." And the story grows and it morphs until the validity is questioned.
So maybe the first premise is true and that she did send the same uneaten sandwich for two days, but that doesn't mean that CPS was called, and it certainly doesn't mean that a judge ruled she is never to do this again.
Remona, 6 said: "I have the feeling that no matter what sort of ''proof'' you are given it would not be enough to satisfy you. The expectation that anyone should be able to see the private court rulings by a judge in family court is not only unreasonable, but just plain nonsense. The CPS reports and court rulings are PRIVATE and for you to use that fact as a reason to demand the same proof a jury would see is going way toooooo far, in my opinion!"
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Well, that's kind of snippy! All I said was that before I believe rumors and speculation, I like to see proof, some kind of proof, any proof. If that's nonsense, then I guess I'm a nonsensical person! :)
"We never did find out whether that "story" was true, or the work of a local who came up with it, someone added to it, and put it out there as gospel."
Sure we did. Robert said that he made up that story and fed it to Al Walentis to see if Al would tell Polly, which he did. She then presented it as fact on her blog, even though it never actually happened. This was one of the entries on Robert's blog from what I remember.
MickeyMcKean said... 17 ''FTR the source for the chicken coop story was RH who was just playing games.'' ~~~~~ Since I don't know what ''FTR'' means, I don't know if you're saying that my memory of the chicken coop story is correct or not. PS signed ''snippy'' Remona Blue. I own it!
is a stale sandwich something on which a judge would rule in family court? Would he/she be bothered with such a thing?
I'm sure judges have heard just about everything, but I'd hate to be the attorney who wasted their time with something like this on it's own. lol However, it's not necessary for a judge to rule on something like this. CPS has the authority to tell a parent to knock it off. IF changes aren't made... then the courts get involved. I believe the poster here who confirmed to Admin that the sandwich and locked door stories are true. Paraphrasing what Admin said in #12 above, you take all you know about the person, add in other examples and known facts, and form your own reasonable conclusion. Do I know for a 'fact' or have 'proof' that it happened? No, but I don't need those to conclude that some version of those examples are true.
Regarding the hurt finger, does anyone remember the time there was a picture of one of the boys with his hand in a cast or all bandaged up? ( I think it was blue or maybe green?) I never did hear what happened but maybe that was when he was hurt?
I've never noticed that any of the kids are missing any parts of any of their fingers so I doubt that there was an "amputation". What probably happened is that the tip (very tip) got sliced in some way of he lost part of a nail... I don't think there was an amputation, I think it was just the tip of a finger or possible loss of a nail if slammed in a door.
Here is the clip where Jon talks about the tip of the finger being amputated and then being reattached by a surgeon:
FTR the source for the chicken coop story was RH who was just playing games.
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Was Robert the one who said that there was no proof because no police report was filed? Wasn't it posted on a blog where it was claimed to have been true? I didn't think that it was RH who said that the story was true.
Beyond all the fun, and the snark, and getting to know the other posters, I continue to read here because TFW makes me angry, and I want to see her get her comeuppance. I'm someone who has always championed the underdog, and there are 8 little underdogs in this story. Things have been taken from them -- literally and metaphorically -- and it upsets me that this woman has gotten away with it. I don't want to wish ill on her, because that will harm the children who, no matter what, love their mom. So for now I'm hoping through some court-ordered mental evaluation that something might interrupt her condition, and allow for her to civilly co-parent with Jon, and to give her children some semblance of normalcy for what remains of her childhood.
You read my mind. I agree with everything you said, 100%!
My husband loves when we go to the toy store to shop for the grandkids. He plays with the cars (Hot Wheels) and the dinosaurs. But then again, he takes trip to Mars in a recliner.
You're saying this is a problem Fleecing? LOL
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Oh, no, nothing wrong with it, Kiwi! Whatever makes him happy. At least he's easy to please at Christmas. Those toy store coupons come in very handy. I imagine, though, that the decontamination for radiation exposure after his trips to Mars might get a bit tiring after awhile! Then again, glowing in the dark eliminates the need for a night light.
Do you have an American Girl collection? Just teasing...
That's the way I remember it too. Robert Hoffman made up the story and told ???? in confidence to see if he could trust ????. Does anyone remember who ???? is?
Please Tfw! Do something so they'll move on from arguing with each other! No one is going to change anyone else's mind anyway. #scrolling
Interesting how CT isn't all things Gosselin. There are actually other people of interest put there.
I felt so bad for Kesley last night. And Farrah....do you think she lies about everything? Think she made up some horrific story to tell the dr? And then was all smiles when that ploy worked? Or you think that was genuine relief at a burden lifted?
For such a trashy show I sure am getting drawn into it.
I noticed duck lips didn't get much screen time this episode. Think each episode kind of focuses on one couple?
Yes,possible ...my friend's husband cut the tip of his thumb off chopping onions and they took it to the hospital and it was sewn on- he has numbness in the digit though. Was this in RH's book? I completely missed reading it! Anyone have the page?
Jen said... 19 ''Sure we did. Robert said that he made up that story and fed it to Al Walentis to see if Al would tell Polly, which he did. She then presented it as fact on her blog, even though it never actually happened. This was one of the entries on Robert's blog from what I remember.'' ~~~~~~~~~ Thank you Jen for filling in the blanks of my memory! This blog is great about remembering things, isn't it?
Gossip said... 8 I did not comment on this matter on this blog, IIRC another local did post on this blog and it was what I had heard through my friend.
[MickeyMcKean said] I was livid when Kate used this opportunity to go on TV and lied. It occurred to me that Kate herself sold the story knowing it would give her an opportunity to go on TV. Of course the sheeple believed it was Jon but we bloggers will never know who did it - Kate, Jon or someone at the school. ************************** Kate lied because her story didn't jibe with what you heard through the "grapevine?" Maybe the local gossip wasn't entirely accurate either. Did that thought ever occur to you or do you blithely believe every rumor you hear?
Beyond DIsgusted said... 18 Remona, 6 said: "I have the feeling that no matter what sort of ''proof'' you are given it would not be enough to satisfy you. The expectation that anyone should be able to see the private court rulings by a judge in family court is not only unreasonable, but just plain nonsense. The CPS reports and court rulings are PRIVATE ... -----------------
Well, that's kind of snippy! All I said was that before I believe rumors and speculation, I like to see proof, some kind of proof, any proof. If that's nonsense, then I guess I'm a nonsensical person! :)
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Gossip -- Kate went on TV and specifically said her kids were not expelled from kindergarten. She absolutely tried to sugar coat the whole thing and no, I was not buying it because not only had I heard something different through the grapevine (and it was reported as such on the Internet) but my intuition was telling me that it made sense that the kids were expelled versus Kate wanting to pull them out to homeschool them. After all this would cut into her mani/pedi/tan time and we all know that Kate loves her "me me me" time.
Beyond Disgusted -- I agree that it would be so much easier to have evidence to back up rumors and speculation that is said on a blog but realistically that is just not going to happen.
People hide behind their aliases on blogs and twitter. They can say they live locally so they can pretty much say whatever they want. Some bloggers are going to believe them no matter what and others will be suspicious.
It is documented that I do know someone who is local and yes I have heard a lot of the rumors -- some of which were disturbing -- but I have not posted them. For one thing I will be attacked by people wanting to have proof but seriously how can I provide proof?
My friend posted one story on her blog that turned out not to be true. It was because someone wanted to specifically discredit her by giving her false information because he knew it would wind up on her blog. My friend was most definitely being played.
Now just because one story was based on a lie, does that mean that one should dismiss everything that was posted on her blog or printed in a book?
That decision is up to each blogger. One must decide if they want to dismiss something or everything or believe everything they read as gospel.
But even though I would love to dismiss some of the things that I have heard because they were disturbing, the fact is that RH's book confirmed and validated a lot of things that have been speculated for years on the blogs. It also made me consider that some of the other things that I heard could in fact be true.
If so, IMO all 8 will wind up in therapy when they are over 18.
Kudos to Jon for planning ahead to be there for his kids before they turn 18. As I said on an earlier thread, I was told last year that he moved back to Wernersville (obviously not a rumor since he addressed this issue on Wendy's show). BTW I have been advised that it is a house big enough for 11 kids. Nice to know that when Jon moved out of the woods that he did want to find a place that would be a safe haven for his children. Again kudos to Jon for trying to do the best he can for his kids under tough circumstances.
Jen said... 19 ''Sure we did. Robert said that he made up that story and fed it to Al Walentis to see if Al would tell Polly, which he did. She then presented it as fact on her blog, even though it never actually happened. This was one of the entries on Robert's blog from what I remember.'' ~~~~~~~~~ Thank you Jen for filling in the blanks of my memory! This blog is great about remembering things, isn't it?
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If one person doesn't remember, another one will! It's all coming back to me now, and weren't there some who doubted the story. and when asked for a police report, were told that none was filed? Red flags right there!
Jen said... 19 "We never did find out whether that "story" was true, or the work of a local who came up with it, someone added to it, and put it out there as gospel."
Sure we did. Robert said that he made up that story and fed it to Al Walentis to see if Al would tell Polly, which he did. She then presented it as fact on her blog, even though it never actually happened. This was one of the entries on Robert's blog from what I remember.
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This is exactly what happened. Polly had reason to believe it was from a good source, in fact someone who she knew to be a friend of Jon's, so she posted the story.
Let's see, what is worse....Child/animal abuse or gossip? I know what has my vote.
Anyway, I do believe Kate has used food to control and humiliate her children, and I do believe she has locked them out of her bedroom at night.
And many more abusive things that I saw watching the show. She abused the dogs, the chickens, her husband, her friends, the volunteers, her family and her husband....did I miss anything??
But, on the VH1 clip, Jon says clearly that Collin's fingertip was severed and had to be reattached. ======== Yes and people (even parents) do tend to exaggerate at times, BUT the tip of a finger is not the amputation that this has been become. Something that can be reattached in the ER as opposed to micro-surgery to reattach blood vessels in a severed finger, etc. are two entirely different things and that's the point I'm trying to make. People take something small and build it up and others spread it as the gospel truth. Had one of the boys had an injury so severe that it required major surgery I'm sure it would have made the papers and TFW would have gone on the woe is me tour. And here is a tweet from today on this very subject.
@UseCmmonSense: @Kateplusmy8 YOU ignored your child in surgery 2get a finger reattached while U went out to dinner! Jon was w/ his child & shld have custody
"It's a claim that doesn't seem to be sitting well with Vivid, as the company seems to be taking Abraham's allegations very personally. "[We] had no idea [Abraham would] turn around so abruptly and play us like this," the company explained in a press release. "Here's one big, ridiculous thing we don't pity her for: sociopath liar Farrah Abraham has a second (a second!) sex tape coming out quite quickly, and this time, it's no "fake" "leak" -- it's the real, raw, ridiculous deal, and it suits Farrah's underhanded personality herself.""
I felt so bad for Kesley last night. And Farrah....do you think she lies about everything? Think she made up some horrific story to tell the dr? And then was all smiles when that ploy worked? Or you think that was genuine relief at a burden lifted?
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Mel -- I agree with you re Farrah. I think she lies about everything and last night I think she succeeded in fooling the doctor. I think Farrah is only interested to find a way to be on TV which is exactly where she is even though she is on CT but without her other half. Rumor has it she does not have another half but there she is on CT!!!
On TMZ Live Farrah's partner in the sex tape was interviewed this morning. Apparently there is going to be a second sex tape coming out next week; this sequel contains the deleted scenes that were shot when they did the first sex tape.
Farrah is allegedly trying to pitch a fit about it and stop it being released but there is nothing she can do about it.
I can not find anything that says about what happened. In Season 5 episode 3, " Sun, Seashells, and Scrapes" one of the girls gets hurt, I think it ws fat lip that required stithces maybe? She got a iced coffee to slurp on..lol..
As for Collin, cant find anything on google, except for the picture on the cover of LHJ. The article does not say what happen.
I do recall a story about Kate being in a restaurant and not coming when she was called. But cant find anything about that, other then a wiki article that states that.
So Robert made up a story, told Al in confidence, he blabbed to Polly, and Polly published it.
Thanks, Jen. You answered my question before I asked it.
BTW (by the way), I think FTR means "for the record". It took me a while to figure it out, as it isn't a phrase I use much. I'm much more likely to say IIRC (if I recall correctly).
Apparently there is going to be a second sex tape coming out next week; this sequel contains the deleted scenes that were shot when they did the first sex tape.
Farrah is allegedly trying to pitch a fit about it and stop it being released but there is nothing she can do about it.
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This isn't going to show up as a click link on the bottom of this blog, is it...replacing the one for the mini porn Bouncing Boobies game?
This is exactly what happened. Polly had reason to believe it was from a good source, in fact someone who she knew to be a friend of Jon's, so she posted the story.
MickeyMcKean said... 44 ''Mel said... 29 I felt so bad for Kesley last night. And Farrah....do you think she lies about everything? Think she made up some horrific story to tell the dr? And then was all smiles when that ploy worked? Or you think that was genuine relief at a burden lifted? * * * * * Mel -- I agree with you re Farrah. I think she lies about everything and last night I think she succeeded in fooling the doctor....'' ~~~~~~~~~~~~ I think the same as you Mickey. I think that Farrah was very pleased w/herself that she succeeded in fooling the therapist!
Gossip -- Kate went on TV and specifically said her kids were not expelled from kindergarten. She absolutely tried to sugar coat the whole thing and no, I was not buying it because not only had I heard something different through the grapevine (and it was reported as such on the Internet) but my intuition was telling me that it made sense that the kids were expelled versus Kate wanting to pull them out to homeschool them.
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What Kate was doing was playing the semantics game. Technically, she was correct. The term "expelled" is not used in that grade, so when she said that they weren't expelled, she really wasn't lying. However, someone caught on to her word game.
What she didn't say was that she had no choice. The decision wasn't hers to make. She had to remove them from school. There was no other option.
Well Walt has popped back in on twitter to trash Admin over the locked bedroom doors. I believe that he's said much worse in the past in addition to bragging about having pizza sent to Kate's hotel. Obviously Walt spends time monitoring this blog.
Now just because one story was based on a lie, does that mean that one should dismiss everything that was posted on her blog or printed in a book?
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No, but it does give a reason to be very careful about believing what is posted. You know, the "fool me once" thing. You post a story based on a lie because you're gullible, and it stands to reason that your credibility is going to be called into question on anything subsequently posted.
Lanc Native said... 177 I was shopping in a thrift store this morning to purchase clothing for a family who was displaced by fire. We've had several fires in the area lately. There are still thousands without power, and Obama declared a state of emergency for our county, one of six in the state.
Anyway, I came across Multiple Blessings for a dime, and the new cookbook for a quarter. I guess someone wasn't impressed with opening cans and dumping. ******************************************************************************* I can top that! LOL.
I do a lot of penny shopping at Dollar General for the foster kids my agency serves. I recently saw a copy of 8 Little Faces with a pink sticker in the discount bin. The pink sticker meant that if I purchased (never!) the book, it would ring up as .01 cents. Even a penny is too much for that drivel.
Okay, I have to admit, I have been using scroll quite a bit today...
it appears there is arguing about whether or not we should or should not believe something when we have or dont have what we call probable evidence.
I am not going to get involved in the arguing but do have this to say....
If we believe everything that we hear about Jon or Kate without question...are we not being a sheeple?
I think we all know that stories have been planted, there are an awful lot of " insiders" or sources close to Jon or Kate, who have shared stories. People will believe what they want to believe. Strong arming through words and then being upset that you are not able to change anothers perspective is... I dont know what to call it, but It feels yucky.
I almost want to say there might be a sheep amongst the blog tonight, as that is often what tends to cause this type of " unrest"
just saying...
Is it really worth it to argue over spoiled food and locked doors? We all know that things have happened in that House of Horrors, to what extent, only those that have lived in that house or spent a lot of time in that house know the truth. The rest is all pure speculation.
Now, hopefully everyone whose panties are tied in knots can move on. :) she says because she really prefers when we disagree without so much unrest.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 53 Well, anyone watching the opening ceremonies? So far there is a lot of talk and very little show. February 7, 2014 at 8:09 PM ****** Huh? Oh, sorry, I'm just sitting here watching paint dry...
No, seriously, I'm waiting for my cucumber facial peel to dry, so I can pull it off and go to sleep!
njay said: I'm saying ANYONE who speaks things as a fact without any type of proof, here or elsewhere, and they speak it to make or defame ANYONE is as bad a Kate. Harmful words are wrong. They can and do destroy when used without anything to back them up. *************** Well then njay - you lost me. People here make comments and yes occasionally make statements when they should say "hey, I'm not sure if this is a fact but it has been said that ...." But to say that makes them AS BAD AS Kate is something I cannot agree with in any way, shape or form. As bad as a repeat child abuser? As bad as a shrew to her husband? As bad as a lying grifter who took money from church goers while signing big money contracts? Nope, sorry - cannot see where you are coming from nor agree with it.
Mickey McKean - yes, for now Ghostface can still trade in on his fading fame. And probably for many years to come, except that the quality of women that will chase after him is only going to diminish as he ages and grows more obscure.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 53 Well, anyone watching the opening ceremonies? So far there is a lot of talk and very little show. &&&&&&&
I have been reading some of the tweets from the poor journalists stuck in third-world hotel rooms. The tweets are really funny and they're being very good sports about it. One journalist was told not to use the water. When she was told it was now able to be used, they said not to use it on her face. Bob Costas must not have gotten the memo, he reportedly has pinkeye or something similar.
Something is terribly wrong when these people have to live like this and these Olympics cost 50B.
Let's see, what is worse....Child/animal abuse or gossip? I know what has my vote. ****** Apparently to at least one poster here - these two things are 100% equally bad. Not a whit of difference. Which I found very strange.
I'm watching. They spent 50 billion dollars, built a gigantic opening stadium solely for opening and closing ceremonies, and their graphics didn't work properly to form the 5 rings. LOL
I'm watching. They spent 50 billion dollars, built a gigantic opening stadium solely for opening and closing ceremonies, and their graphics didn't work properly to form the 5 rings. LOL
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Lol as they say the devil's in the details. I love how Matt Lauer was kinda like....well that's a shame. Ha.
I must say, that is such a sweet picture. It makes me very sad that these precious little kids have had such a deranged person for a mother. They deserve so much more.
I, too, have no trouble at all believing Kate sent back stale (at best?) lunches with the children or that some children were locked in their rooms at night.
I, too, believe it's all about control with her. IMO, she married a man she perceived as weak so she could be in control. Conversely, Jon married a woman who was stronger than he on some levels so she would take control. Then 8 children were born, life was impossibly stressful and they ended up resenting each other for what initially attracted them to each other. It happens all the time. I doubt there was anyway to have worked through it given what I believe to be Kate's pathology: malignant narcissim. Jon was lucky to get out, but 8 kids are left there to deal with it.
The clips of the 'ugly moments' someone posted were a stunning reminder to me of how she can not take any personal responsibility. It was always Jon's fault when she was out of control. If he had done X, Y or Z, it wouldn't have occured. In the clips, I watched him speak up, saw how difficult it was for him to do it (I think the crew being there filming gave him courage: he wasn't facing her alone) and watched her keep turning it back on him. Who did she think she was convincing?
My other thought was what an unbelievable bitch she was. How he lasted as long as he did in that marriage is amazing. He was truly beaten down to nothing by her. A man doing that to a woman would not be given a pass.
I think there is no doubt that stories get stretched/embellished. We've all seen it. It's wise to question, ask for sources and want facts. And I think the posters on this blog do a good job of that. When people are speculating or stating personal opinion, they generally say so.
I do wish the locals with information would share what they know as best they can w/o getting anyone in trouble. I am worried about those kids - especially now when the the shit is hitting the fan and Kate's image as the perfect mother (and family) is crashing down. I worry expecially about Colin, Cara and Alexis. One turns anger inward, IMO, and the others turn it outward, but it all comes from the same place. Two likely get more attention because their anger directly affects others, but the other child is just as vulnerable, IMO.
Vanessa - I read your articles on narcissism with great interest. I seem to attract them in my life and would like to understand why that may be. Can you point me to anything helpful? I have no trouble moving on once I realize what they are, but wonder why they seem so drawn to me. It may be bc I am a very good listener, which is a rare quality any more (if I do say so myself - Lol) and they want undivided attention.
Published by huffpostlive Original court ruling in the 1993 New York Supreme Court custody case in which Woody Allen was denied custody of his 3 children with Mia Farrow.
"If we believe everything that we hear about Jon or Kate without question...are we not being a sheeple? "
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My definition of a sheeple is someone who takes a rotten act by their idol and spins it into rainbows and lollipops or ignores the behaviour and deflects to some other topic. A sheeple states their glowing opinion of said idol, but never has concrete evidence to back it up.
I've been asking, for years, to have the defenders give one concrete example of her being a good mother. No one has ever responded. Stating that she has 8, count 'em, 8 kids is not a sound argument. Stating that she feeds, clothes and keeps a roof over their head is not conclusive either. Any act that she performs is nothing more than millions of mothers do every day. It's the nasty things she does that have made her famous. In a matter of minutes we can compile a laundry list of awful things she's said and done and it's not rumour or speculation, it's all on video for the world to see. If she were even half-way decent, she might still have a t.v. show. If she were polarizing to 50/50 she might still have a show. But when the split is 95 to 5? (speculation as this number is pretty hard to prove) If she was simply "nice" people would have left her alone and there would be no need for sheeple.
The Not -a-Nanny took Cara to the doctor, because Cara had been complaining about a sore leg for a few days. Kate didnt think there was likely anything wrong so sent Cara with the not-a-nanny ************************************************************* Also it was more important to finish the staged "family game night" that was being filmed in order to show the world what a fun/great mommy tfw was than it was to take one of your other children to get their foot checked after complaining for a week.
Key word here, PROOF! That is what defines my feelings. Without that, it's plain gossip. ******************************************************************* What defines MY feelings is my "gut" , my history, my memories, my experiences, my "fight or flight" intuition. Admin used the smoking gun analogy-"extreme comparison" (relax everyone, not saying tfw is the same) but Casey Anthony is free because the jury wanted absolute proof. I'm going with if it walks like a duck....
Although I appreciate the confidence you have in me giving you advice, I really think you need to do some soul searching. My therapist told me that a narcissist/enabler relationship does not just happen accidentally or radomly. "SOMETHING pulls those 2 together. Each saw something in the other that they KNEW would fulfill their needs. I think you need to try and figure out what is it about YOU that makes you gravitate towards these people. Much like Jon:) And absolutely NO disrespect, but "I" cannot fathom how someone's radar doesn't kick in when in the presence of these people. I HATE hearing of people being taken advantage of ,treated like dirt, used and abused. I hope it's not in an extreme case for you.
Talented though he might be in his industry of choice, Woody Allen makes my skin crawl, so I'd probably scroll right past a blog post about his 1993 custody ruling. Not that I don't think it's pertinent in some way(s) to this blog, but I've had more than my fill of him in the last couple of weeks. Er, lifetime.
Vanessa, good advice to MamaKnowsa. You learn to go with your gut. To this day, I get a knot in my stomach when I'm in the presence of a person of the lie.
BTW, People of the Lie is a great book by M. Scott Peck. It's the study of evil, which he says is sorely lacking in the profession.
Re the "gossip" versus absolute proof debate -- I'm on the fence here. I believe that some of the stories about TFMJG are exaggerations at best. I also believe that there's at least a germ of truth in many of them. I tend to go with Admin's "gut check" on whether I believe or not, although I do tend to take things with a grain of salt. We here on this blog have a tendency to want to believe the very worst of TFMJG -- that she's an irredeemable, abusive monster with no good qualities, just as the Sheeple want to believe that she's a perfect paragon of motherhood who never makes a misstep or error. The truth is, she's a mixture of both -- I'm sure she has some good qualities. I can't think of any off hand -- ;>) -- but I'm sure there must be one or two. Someone compared it to a jury -- in a criminal case, it must be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. In a civil case, the preponderance of the evidence is the guideline. I'm a civil case juror, LOL.
Empress -- I'm with you on Woody Allen. He makes my skin crawl too. I've never understood the adulation for him. Some of his movies are good, but I find most of them to be crashing bores. I'm really not interested in a post about the 1993 case. I believe Dylan. Mia's a flake, but I don't think she's pathological. SOMETHING was going on that raised all her red flags.
Although I appreciate the confidence you have in me giving you advice, I really think you need to do some soul searching. My therapist told me that a narcissist/enabler relationship does not just happen accidentally or radomly. "SOMETHING pulls those 2 together. Each saw something in the other that they KNEW would fulfill their needs. I think you need to try and figure out what is it about YOU that makes you gravitate towards these people. Much like Jon:) And absolutely NO disrespect, but "I" cannot fathom how someone's radar doesn't kick in when in the presence of these people. I HATE hearing of people being taken advantage of ,treated like dirt, used and abused. I hope it's not in an extreme case for you.
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Not extreme for me, but I do recognize a pattern and I believe that we are drawn to each other as you said. Much like Jon and Kate were as well. If you run across any articles abt it, I would love to read them. I don't think of myself as a passive personality or an enabler at all which is why it puzzles me. I will continue to reflect on it. Thanks and no disrespect taken. I think you pick up on it so quickly because you lived it. Many of us just have brushes with it if you know what I mean.
The proof I need is written in the past in Kate's control over food and the kids staying in their rooms. The portion control on the prison trays, measly grape & cracker lunches on paper plates, strict order of eating school lunch, making them eat things until they liked them, time-out if you prefer no milk on your cereal...not taking down the baby-gate and letting the tups out of bed till 8:30, returning them to cribs for a 4- hour nap, punishing those who got up early with more confinement time in their crib, telling them she needed nap time (me-time) more than they did. I wouldn't be surprised if some kids end up with eating disorders or sleep issues.
Casey Anthony is free because the jury wanted absolute proof.
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Exactly. That is a case where wanting absolute proof resulted in a murderer getting off and let back into society. Should have gone with their gut instinct.
I remember one of the jury members saying that the prosecution didn't "prove" it. I was so frustrated when I heard that. They don't need to PROVE it, you idiot. They just need to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. That's very different than just proving it.
Wow, it really annoys me that I just got a CNN text alert spoiling the results of one of the snowboarding events tonight that hasn't even aired yet here. What the hell? Are they going to do this the whole Olympics? We'll get the results at 5 am and won't actually see it until later that evening? I don't want to get a text alert about something big like Shaun White, I want to see it in real time.
I think you pick up on it so quickly because you lived it. Many of us just have brushes with it if you know what I mean. ***************************************************************** Yes, know exactly what you mean, and I think you get what I'm saying too. And don't get me wrong, being a good person, having a good soul are qualities that I admire and are surely lacking in the world. But to be those things at the "expense" of your soul, your being is wrong. When you are taken advantage of, when you're mistreated, when you are not respected, when you are made to feel responsible for the other person's feelings about themselves and are to blame for their rage or abuse, then something's gotta give. You were not put on this earth to be a punching bag, literally and metaphorically. So when I said to Mammaknows I hope it's not an extreme case, this is what I meant. And forget about "why" you're there, JUST GET OUT. The figuring out or soul searching can happen later.
FTR (teehee) I don't believe the posters who were debating about PROOF are sheeple. They've been posting here forever too and feel very much like the rest of us regarding POS.
Re: PJ / Anonymous - Post 75 "BTW, People of the Lie is a great book by M. Scott Peck. It's the study of evil, which he says is sorely lacking in the profession."
The late author was the close relative of my church's pastor here in Lancaster - and I was directed to The People of the Lie after working for a raging bipolar CEO.The book opened my eyes to the existence of evil around us (something I had never considered seriously in a psychological/religious context). Here's a blurb about the book from Amazon: "People who are evil attack others instead of facing their own failures. Peck demonstrates the havoc these people of the lie work in the lives of those around them. He presents, from vivid incidents encountered in his psychiatric practice, examples of evil in everyday life."
My definition of a sheeple is someone who takes a rotten act by their idol and spins it into rainbows and lollipops or ignores the behaviour and deflects to some other topic. A sheeple states their glowing opinion of said idol, but never has concrete evidence to back it up.
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Yes and things are very black and white. All things their idol does are always good. All things anyone else does who is opposed to their idol (such as an ex) are bad. There are no gray areas, no in between, no compromise.
Here's some good ones, the "less extreme victim" pathology. We know people or have friends like this, maybe we should put ourselves in their shoes. You don't have to be degraded and abused to feel like someone is taking advantage of you. There should always be give and take with all relationships.
"People who are evil attack others instead of facing their own failures. Peck demonstrates the havoc these people of the lie work in the lives of those around them. He presents, from vivid incidents encountered in his psychiatric practice, examples of evil in everyday life." *********************************************************************** Totally agree! Take out the brimstone and cloven hooves, there is everyday evil EVERYWHERE. It exists.
"Hate" is a very strong word. Same with "hater." It suggests motives and emotional states that may or may not be true.
True, some people sit on a timeline like turkey buzzards, waiting for the moment where they can swoop in and peck the carcass of the person who's being vilified in a given moment. True, also, that some people tweet/blog their opinions more elegantly (i.e. in a more cogent, circumspect fashion), than others. But that doesn't mean they're hateful. It quite possibly means they're heartsick, to the point where they feel they must say aloud the things that many of us are thinking. Perhaps not in the way that you/I would, but individuality makes the world go 'round, am I right?
For Example: You might not like the way I come across, but it's likely that at least one person out there will. Same with those that you call "haters." Who knows: Maybe their manner of speaking is exactly what it takes to capture some people's attention, to help them finally realize what we see clearly, and have seen, for a very long time. Like those Super Bowl commercials, for instance. Some were meh for me, but proved buzz-worthy for others.
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Someone said that admin verified the source, when in fact she clearly stated that the source wasn't vetted. Why would someone state that admin verified the source when admin was honest enough to admit that the person wasn't vetted? I, for one, appreciate her honesty and disclosure about this. ********************************************************** That was ME:) And I still absolutely whole heartedly believe the source. That's MY choice
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 13h @XXXXXX Kate really weighs all the pros/cons of her decisions abt kids very carefully. Much that public does not know...#HerReasons __________
If these are the decisions Kate makes after weighing the pros and cons carefully ... she should probably just start flipping a coin.
FandM Alumna said... 86 Re: PJ / Anonymous - Post 75 "BTW, People of the Lie is a great book by M. Scott Peck. It's the study of evil, which he says is sorely lacking in the profession."
The late author was the close relative of my church's pastor here in Lancaster - and I was directed to The People of the Lie after working for a raging bipolar CEO.The book opened my eyes to the existence of evil around us (something I had never considered seriously in a psychological/religious context).
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I'm glad you found the book useful, as did I. It was recommended to me by a therapist and boy, did it clear a lot of things up for me. The only thing missing was my mother's picture. My personal journey is still not without pitfalls. My siblings still laugh at the things I recount to them. They pass it off as "the way people did things back then". You start to second-guess yourself and wonder if you're the one with the problem. While you do have to take ownership for yourself, you receive validation from the good people in your life. Some people never grow, a sad fact. A narcissist can't be "cured". They sometimes have an "aha!" moment when they are old and grey, but by then it's usually too late. All the people they've repelled during their life have moved on and have no interest in trying anymore.
Vanessa ~ I like that you said "take out the brimstone and cloven hooves, there is everyday evil everywhere. It exists. Your comment resonates with me because, being raised in an oppressive religious family, I rejected some of the more suffocating ideas I heard in those fire-and-brimstone sermons. I've struggled since, with naming Evil for what it is.
I know some here will disagree, and I respect their positions. But I think it's confusing when we attribute bad behaviors to Satan, or call evil-doers spawn of the Devil. Sometimes its just seemingly ordinary people who've given full sway to their shadow sides.
It's not as if Evil presents itself with horns, a pointed tail and pitchfork. It's a shape-shifter. Hence, the dearth of web links that prove its existence.
Empress -- I'm with you on Woody Allen. He makes my skin crawl too. I've never understood the adulation for him. Some of his movies are good, but I find most of them to be crashing bores. I'm really not interested in a post about the 1993 case. I believe Dylan. Mia's a flake, but I don't think she's pathological. SOMETHING was going on that raised all her red flags.
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ITA.
Earlier in the week on THE VIEW Baba gave the impression she did not believe this story and made comments on both parents, then the next day she had to repeat what she said due to comments made on twitter or whatever.
On Friday's episode Rosie O'Donnell was a guest, is a victim of abuse, and the subject came up. Rosie said she knows MF, she is a good mother, and hands down completely believes Dylan.
On THE TALK Sheryl said was a victim and she said she was the one who was blamed for the abuse because she must have done something to entice the abuser in the first place. Sheryl made the point that if a child is sexualized at a young age then something has happened to that child.
Thank goodness these days people are now more aware of what signs or red flags to look for and that child abuse can happen in *any* household and not just in certain neighborhoods.
My definition of a sheeple is someone who takes a rotten act by their idol and spins it into rainbows and lollipops or ignores the behaviour and deflects to some other topic. A sheeple states their glowing opinion of said idol, but never has concrete evidence to back it up.
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Milo is an example of a sheeple kisser-upper who worships a celebrity. However, a sheeple doesn't have to be a follower of an idol or celebrity. He/she could just worm their way into a person's life, befriending a person and hanging on their every word, believing that person could never do wrong, all the while making excuses for that person's actions. These people bother me, the butt kissers who have set themselves up as spokespersons or mouthpieces for another person. If that other person wants to speak, then let him/her comment on the blogs without having another person do it for them.
What, though, is the difference between a sheeple and a fan? All sheeple are fans, but are all fans sheeple?
Re the "gossip" versus absolute proof debate -- I'm on the fence here. I believe that some of the stories about TFMJG are exaggerations at best. I also believe that there's at least a germ of truth in many of them.
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I agree. Here's the thing. If someone wants to believe the stories and gossip, then that's their decision. Most people here have the ability to think logically, are intelligent, and put two and two together, do their own analysis and arrive at their own conclusions. There is no right and wrong answer. Those who want proof are not sheeple...they are not ignorant. Sheeple, however, have no critical thinking abilities, and that's what separates them from those who can weigh the two sides of an issue.
However, in the case of the chicken story, it would have seemed it was credible. Bloggers could look at Jon's fondness for partying and drinking. Added to the animosity that was going on with TFW at the time, the story may have made perfect sense. When you looked at it, then yes, many were fooled into believing that story was true because it "sounded" like something he would have done. However, it turned out to be totally false. This is when the "well, based on what she/he is capable of doing" doesn't really hold water. We saw that in the chicken caper plant it was a false assumption. That's sometimes where the danger comes in -- saying that well, yes, I believe it because it fits into what that person is likely to do. Turns out that this isn't always the case.
My definition of a sheeple is someone who takes a rotten act by their idol and spins it into rainbows and lollipops or ignores the behaviour and deflects to some other topic. A sheeple states their glowing opinion of said idol, but never has concrete evidence to back it up.
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Yes and things are very black and white. All things their idol does are always good. All things anyone else does who is opposed to their idol (such as an ex) are bad. There are no gray areas, no in between, no compromise.
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It was not too long ago that I heard -- probably on TMZ -- that a father had a young daughter that idolizes Justin Bieber.
We adults all know that Justin is on a path that will eventually wind him up behind bars if he does not wake up soon and change his ways.
Anyway this father said something along the lines of: "I don't want my daughter to idolize him so I am going to tell her that Justin was caught abusing puppies because I know that is just something that will change her mind about him forever."
We "haters" are all former fans who watched J&K+8 for however many episodes before we took off our rose colored glasses and saw the true Kate and/or realized that a reality show is not really reality because it is scripted.
For me it was when Kate looked out her kitchen window and said, "mine, all mine" and I thought how can she forget that she lives with 9 other people? Then it was just a few months later that Jon was busted with Deanna Hummel and the rest is history.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 13h @XXXXXX Kate really weighs all the pros/cons of her decisions abt kids very carefully. Much that public does not know...#HerReasons
This is the kind of statement that makes Milo come off as being totally nuts. She has no idea what Kate does in making decisions, and each time she pretends to know things the public doesn't know, she becomes more and more the butt of jokes and nothing she says sounds credible.
I think in the case of Milo, she seems to love the attention by drive-by young fans who are impressed that she's such good friends with Kate. These people don't know Milo's history, .that she's never met Kate, and she's nothing more than obsessed fan who actually believes that she's part of Kate's life. I wonder how all of this is going to end with Kate and Milo. In a way, it's fascinating; in another way, it's just sad, and it could have tragic consequences if Milo is just blown off.
Totally agree! Take out the brimstone and cloven hooves, there is everyday evil EVERYWHERE. It exists.
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Speaking of fire and brimstone, read Jonathan Edwards' sermon, "Sinners In The Hands Of An Angry God" (Enfield, Connecticut, 1741):
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"O sinner! Consider the fearful danger you are in: it is a great furnace of wrath, a wide and bottomless pit, full of the fire of wrath, that you are held over in the hand of that God, whose wrath is provoked and incensed as much against you, as against many of the damned in hell. You hang by a slender thread, with the flames of divine wrath flashing about it, and ready every moment to singe it, and burn it asunder; and you have no interest in any Mediator, and nothing to lay hold of to save yourself, nothing to keep off the flames of wrath, nothing of your own, nothing that you ever have done, nothing that you can do, to induce God to spare you one moment. -- And consider here more particularly.
It is everlasting wrath. It would be dreadful to suffer this fierceness and wrath of Almighty God one moment; but you must suffer it to all eternity. There will be no end to this exquisite horrible misery. When you look forward, you shall see a long for ever, a boundless duration before you, which will swallow up your thoughts, and amaze your soul; and you will absolutely despair of ever having any deliverance, any end, any mitigation, any rest at all."
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If you were a parishioner of Edwards' congregation way back then, this probably would have been enough to send even the most evil offenders on the straight and narrow!
Your post got me thinking about all the things I've heard that but yet I know I did not post anything about it.
One thing in particular I know about but I don't know whether or not I heard it from my friend or read it on one of the Gosselin blogs years ago.
The rumor was that the local grocery store gave Kate a designated reserved parking space next to their front door. Obviously she was not using it 24/7 but if Kate did go to the store and if someone was parked in it, she would demand that the vehicle be towed out of her spot.
Now this story was from years ago and if you were still watching the show you might be inclined not to believe this story. But if you look back at it now, especially after all the reported negative 1:1s in Target or wherever, you see Kate in a different light.
So this is kinda sorta a test ~ Are hearing this rumor for the first time? If yes, do you believe it or dismiss it?
If it turns out that you guys have not read about this rumor, then it would make me think I must have heard about it from my friend and if so it would be because she saw the reserved parking spot sign and/or no doubt heard from the locals complaining about Kate wanting cars towed.
So I'm curious ~ has anyone else heard about this parking spot issue or is it just me?
Thank you, Vanessa, for looking for articles. Those weren't what I was looking for, but inspired me to search again and I found an article that really reasonated with me: http://anupturnedsoul.wordpress.com/2013/07/20/are-you-a-magnet-for-narcissists/ (Specifically, Part 2)
I'm going to print it and read it again while I soak in the tub.
I read Scott Peck's books years ago. I loved The Road Less Traveled. It really set me on a course that changed my life. It begins with the sentence: "Life is hard." I found that comforting and affirming at the time and still do. I read People of the Lie as well and it was fascinating. Some of Peck's references to malignant narcissism can be found here: http://www.geftakysassembly.com/Articles/Perspectives/MalignantNarcissism.htm
To me a sheeple is a blind follower, who sees no flaw in their idol. (Kate) A fan is someone who admires a specific talent or trait of a person (not sure what that would be in TFW) but realize she is human and is not perfect.They can see the person as real, while a sheeple puts their idol up on a pedestal and does not see any wrong she does despite evidence to the contrary.
We "haters" are all former fans who watched J&K+8 for however many episodes before we took off our rose colored glasses and saw the true Kate and/or realized that a reality show is not really reality because it is scripted.
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I don't consider myself a "hater." I am not fond of the woman. The things she does are despicable, but I'm not a "hater," and I was never a fan. Never. I didn't have to take off my rose-colored glasses because I never wore them!
This is a little off topic, but I apologize if this has been mentioned before. But I just had a thought about Kate posting the Lego picture on her twitter feed. The Lego Movie opened yesterday, and a lightbulb went off for me. She was trying to find some way to cash in on the movie.
Same. I am not a 'hater' I hate things TFW has done and is doing, but not her in that I don't want to see harm come to her, only justice.
As for the parking spot, wasn't it at Giant? I agree the way she acted if it was used by another shopper was ridiculous. There are 'mom' spots in some areas ANY mother can use who has toddlers or small kids that crossing a parking lot might be dangerous for- that's what Kate should have been designated .As for Target 'girls' carrying her bags to her car, again , ridiculous. And clearing stores so TFW can shop? Please. She was not the only customer and other shoppers are entitled to the same rights. Some may have issues of their own which make shopping difficult, not necessarily warranting a handicapped or special spot.
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About sleeping and locked doors. My dd crawled into bed with me every night until she hit 12, suffered from night terrors. I NEVER thought to even close my door.
I am her mother, her safe place, and I cherish talking her to sleep as Maman et bebe dauphins arc-en-ciel qui naugent l'ocean entier ensemble.
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Oh, and I forgot to add to my post (176) that I thought about taking a picture of my "act of kindness" (helping the family who was left without anything after a fire), and submitting it to Kate's Not A Contest. I didn't know, however, if the deadline was extended! I wonder if she's still accepting entries. Then again, I don't want to add to the thousands that she's received and make more work for her!
Admin, is a stale sandwich something on which a judge would rule in family court? Would he/she be bothered with such a thing?
OT for a sec. Check out the Valentine Mia Farrow sent Woody Allen in 1992. It was originally shown on 60 Minutes. This is something Kate would do.
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/mia-farrow-threatening-1992-valentine-day-woody-allen-article-1.1605686
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If nothing else, taking 7 preschoolers on a field trip by myself has taught me I do not wish to be Kate Gosselin. #mayhem
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@theMaggieWeber Kate has never done that; has always had help. You should have had help as well. #kateplusmy8
Yep, she had help or used fear of panic ensuing among the mediocre public for not taking them anywhere. ha
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When Kate did tag along as one of the moms on her kids' school trip, she actually complained about it being boring.
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@Kateplusmy8 I was in Toys r Us today w/my husband Ted & he was playing w/some cars & I thought of the epi when u were there. It was funny
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Who in the bleep are these sheeple? This one likes American Girl dolls, Barbies and Calico Critters and her husband plays with cars...
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My husband loves when we go to the toy store to shop for the grandkids. He plays with the cars (Hot Wheels) and the dinosaurs. But then again, he takes trip to Mars in a recliner.
You're saying this is a problem Fleecing? LOL
Considering all the debates and dissecting of tweets etc., please know that I found it interesting that no one asked me why did I write what I did?
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What in the heck are you talking about? What did you write? As Ellen would say, are you speaking in code?
I am so lost...
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''.....However, I'm like those from Missouri. Show me. Show me the court ruling signed by the judge, and then I'll believe it. Would speculations hold up in court? No. A jury has to see proof, and like members on a jury, some here need to see proof. Without it, then it remains speculation.''
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I have the feeling that no matter what sort of ''proof'' you are given it would not be enough to satisfy you. The expectation that anyone should be able to see the private court rulings by a judge in family court is not only unreasonable, but just plain nonsense. The CPS reports and court rulings are PRIVATE and for you to use that fact as a reason to demand the same proof a jury would see is going way toooooo far, in my opinion!
If I remember correctly, she was diagnosed as Bi-Polar, and with her background felt that she could become famous and gain attention (BPD) by having multiple kids post twins.
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I must really be out of the loop, or I'm three sheets to the wind right now. When was she diagnosed as being bipolar? I recall reading somewhere (Robert's book?) that relatives speculated that she could be bipolar, but was a definite diagnosis ever made?
I did not comment on this matter on this blog, IIRC another local did post on this blog and it was what I had heard through my friend.
I was livid when Kate used this opportunity to go on TV and lied. It occurred to me that Kate herself sold the story knowing it would give her an opportunity to go on TV. Of course the sheeple believed it was Jon but we bloggers will never know who did it - Kate, Jon or someone at the school.
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Kate lied because her story didn't jibe with what you heard through the "grapevine?" Maybe the local gossip wasn't entirely accurate either. Did that thought ever occur to you or do you blithely believe every rumor you hear?
You also can see clearly that Kate's frustration is not that Jon doesnt do enough work around the house, but when he is done his work, he dare not sit and relax ( even tho she slept in and drank coffee while he worked) while Kate does hers.
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The episode where Kate is making lunch (doling grapes and cheese onto paper plates) while Jon idles in neutral on the other side of the counter was probably the moment that I began to loathe her.
Jon had gotten up early with the kids. Dressed them. Fed them breakfast. Played with and supervised them all morning. Got them into their seats at the table for lunch.
Then.............he dared to rest his ass against the counter while Kate "made lunch".
Well, Kate snarks to the camera that she wishes she and Jon could trade places so that she could just stand around and do nothing.
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.......
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OT for a sec. Check out the Valentine Mia Farrow sent Woody Allen in 1992. It was originally shown on 60 Minutes. This is something Kate would do.
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/mia-farrow-threatening-1992-valentine-day-woody-allen-article-1.1605686''
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I did see that valentine, and that WA said it was threatening him. However, IF you look closely at the valentine, what I saw was something very different. The ''needles'' were all piercing the children's hearts, and the knife through Mia (that he called ''it'') had one of the nude photos he had taken of her child wrapped around the handle. I thought it was a very graphic and effective way of showing him what his behavior had done to her and her children. WAY too sophisticated and intelligent for TCFW to accomplish!
I remember when a story circulated that Jon got drunk and broke into the chicken house. It was put forth as being absolutely true, but when asked for proof and a police report, I believe the answer was that Kate didn't press charges and therefore no police report was available. Whenever the police respond to a call, there is a record of that call, By law, there must be, regardless of whether charges were pressed or not. Police calls are logged in, with the date, time, place, responding officer, and nature of the call.
We never did find out whether that "story" was true, or the work of a local who came up with it, someone added to it, and put it out there as gospel.
I tend to treat celeb rumors like I do court cases. Contrary to the movies there's rarely ever a smoking gun, or DNA proof, or a video tape. But what you do usually have is enough evidence to make a reasonable judgment what probably happened. Enough to make a reasonable call what happened based on reasonable inferences and common sense and history. Sometimes it's wrong. Usually right. Some people call this the smell test. If it smells funny it probably is. What we know for sure of Kate treats food smells funny. The other stuff makes sense and has been corroborated by multiple people. So, it probably is true. But if that's not enough for you, that's up to you. No sense in trying to change your mind.
NJGal51 said... 175
Jon said himself that the tip of Collin's finger was cut off. He found it and I believe an ambulance was called to take him to the hospital because there was so much blood. The doctors sewed the tip back on his finger. Jon's own words.
I don't think there was an amputation, I think it was just the tip of a finger or possible loss of a nail if slammed in a door. Those things can bleed like hell but normally heal on their own.
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That's what I thought when I read about this incident in Robert's Book aka: Kate's journal. It thought it terrible for Kate to wave Jon on and tell him to go take care of it while she stayed at the restaurant.
But, on the VH1 clip, Jon says clearly that Collin's fingertip was severed and had to be reattached. An ambulance was called and the tip was kept on ice until he got to the hospital.
Funny, how something that HUGE, resulting from the kids feuding, never made it into the show. Hmm, huh?
Over And Out said... 10
''...I remember when a story circulated that Jon got drunk and broke into the chicken house.''
''....We never did find out whether that "story" was true, or the work of a local who came up with it, someone added to it, and put it out there as gospel.''
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I don't remember the chicken house story the same way. From what I remember, that entire story was put out there as a way to see if ??? was repeating things they were told. And since the story wasn't true, put WAS passed on, ??? failed the test. My old mind isn't filling in the blanks right now, so I hope someone out there knows what I'm talking about.
The expectation that anyone should be able to see the private court rulings by a judge in family court is not only unreasonable, but just plain nonsense.
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I think that everyone understands that, but I believe that the point being made is that unless proof is given, how does anyone know that a judge ruled on this? Bottom line is...we don't. One person might say, "The Gosselins are eating the same sandwiches every day." Another might say, "Yes, and did you hear protective services were involved?" Someone else adds, "I heard that Kate was told in court that she is forbidden to do this." And the story grows and it morphs until the validity is questioned.
So maybe the first premise is true and that she did send the same uneaten sandwich for two days, but that doesn't mean that CPS was called, and it certainly doesn't mean that a judge ruled she is never to do this again.
FTR the source for the chicken coop story was RH who was just playing games.
Remona, 6 said: "I have the feeling that no matter what sort of ''proof'' you are given it would not be enough to satisfy you. The expectation that anyone should be able to see the private court rulings by a judge in family court is not only unreasonable, but just plain nonsense. The CPS reports and court rulings are PRIVATE and for you to use that fact as a reason to demand the same proof a jury would see is going way toooooo far, in my opinion!"
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Well, that's kind of snippy! All I said was that before I believe rumors and speculation, I like to see proof, some kind of proof, any proof. If that's nonsense, then I guess I'm a nonsensical person! :)
"We never did find out whether that "story" was true, or the work of a local who came up with it, someone added to it, and put it out there as gospel."
Sure we did. Robert said that he made up that story and fed it to Al Walentis to see if Al would tell Polly, which he did. She then presented it as fact on her blog, even though it never actually happened. This was one of the entries on Robert's blog from what I remember.
MickeyMcKean said... 17
''FTR the source for the chicken coop story was RH who was just playing games.''
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Since I don't know what ''FTR'' means, I don't know if you're saying that my memory of the chicken coop story is correct or not.
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signed ''snippy'' Remona Blue. I own it!
is a stale sandwich something on which a judge would rule in family court? Would he/she be bothered with such a thing?
I'm sure judges have heard just about everything, but I'd hate to be the attorney who wasted their time with something like this on it's own. lol
However, it's not necessary for a judge to rule on something like this. CPS has the authority to tell a parent to knock it off. IF changes aren't made... then the courts get involved. I believe the poster here who confirmed to Admin that the sandwich and locked door stories are true. Paraphrasing what Admin said in #12 above, you take all you know about the person, add in other examples and known facts, and form your own reasonable conclusion. Do I know for a 'fact' or have 'proof' that it happened? No, but I don't need those to conclude that some version of those examples are true.
Is it full moon? Everyone seems so, um, testy!
Regarding the hurt finger, does anyone remember the time there was a picture of one of the boys with his hand in a cast or all bandaged up? ( I think it was blue or maybe green?) I never did hear what happened but maybe that was when he was hurt?
I've never noticed that any of the kids are missing any parts of any of their fingers so I doubt that there was an "amputation". What probably happened is that the tip (very tip) got sliced in some way of he lost part of a nail... I don't think there was an amputation, I think it was just the tip of a finger or possible loss of a nail if slammed in a door.
Here is the clip where Jon talks about the tip of the finger being amputated and then being reattached by a surgeon:
http://www.vh1.com/video/misc/1001600/jon-gosselin-and-his-11-kids.jhtml#id=1721865
FTR the source for the chicken coop story was RH who was just playing games.
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Was Robert the one who said that there was no proof because no police report was filed? Wasn't it posted on a blog where it was claimed to have been true? I didn't think that it was RH who said that the story was true.
So many stories, so much to remember! lol!
Flimsy Flamsy said...
Beyond all the fun, and the snark, and getting to know the other posters, I continue to read here because TFW makes me angry, and I want to see her get her comeuppance. I'm someone who has always championed the underdog, and there are 8 little underdogs in this story. Things have been taken from them -- literally and metaphorically -- and it upsets me that this woman has gotten away with it. I don't want to wish ill on her, because that will harm the children who, no matter what, love their mom. So for now I'm hoping through some court-ordered mental evaluation that something might interrupt her condition, and allow for her to civilly co-parent with Jon, and to give her children some semblance of normalcy for what remains of her childhood.
You read my mind. I agree with everything you said, 100%!
My husband loves when we go to the toy store to shop for the grandkids. He plays with the cars (Hot Wheels) and the dinosaurs. But then again, he takes trip to Mars in a recliner.
You're saying this is a problem Fleecing? LOL
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Oh, no, nothing wrong with it, Kiwi! Whatever makes him happy. At least he's easy to please at Christmas. Those toy store coupons come in very handy. I imagine, though, that the decontamination for radiation exposure after his trips to Mars might get a bit tiring after awhile! Then again, glowing in the dark eliminates the need for a night light.
Do you have an American Girl collection? Just teasing...
Remona Blue (15) and MickeyMcKean (17)
That's the way I remember it too. Robert Hoffman made up the story and told ???? in confidence to see if he could trust ????. Does anyone remember who ???? is?
Please Tfw! Do something so they'll move on from arguing with each other! No one is going to change anyone else's mind anyway. #scrolling
Interesting how CT isn't all things Gosselin. There are actually other people of interest put there.
I felt so bad for Kesley last night. And Farrah....do you think she lies about everything? Think she made up some horrific story to tell the dr? And then was all smiles when that ploy worked? Or you think that was genuine relief at a burden lifted?
For such a trashy show I sure am getting drawn into it.
I noticed duck lips didn't get much screen time this episode. Think each episode kind of focuses on one couple?
Yes,possible ...my friend's husband cut the tip of his thumb off chopping onions and they took it to the hospital and it was sewn on- he has numbness in the digit though. Was this in RH's book? I completely missed reading it! Anyone have the page?
Carole said... 26
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I also agree. I think that's the reason most of us come her as well as the spirit of camaraderie that has developed. Well-said, Flimsy Flamsy!
Jen said... 19
''Sure we did. Robert said that he made up that story and fed it to Al Walentis to see if Al would tell Polly, which he did. She then presented it as fact on her blog, even though it never actually happened. This was one of the entries on Robert's blog from what I remember.''
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Thank you Jen for filling in the blanks of my memory! This blog is great about remembering things, isn't it?
Collin in a small cost on the cover of Ladies Home Journal
http://www.lhj.com/lhj/imagePopUp.jsp?imageUrl=http://images.meredith.com/lhj/images/2009/04/p_LadiesHomeMay09.jpg
Gossip said... 8
I did not comment on this matter on this blog, IIRC another local did post on this blog and it was what I had heard through my friend.
[MickeyMcKean said] I was livid when Kate used this opportunity to go on TV and lied. It occurred to me that Kate herself sold the story knowing it would give her an opportunity to go on TV. Of course the sheeple believed it was Jon but we bloggers will never know who did it - Kate, Jon or someone at the school.
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Kate lied because her story didn't jibe with what you heard through the "grapevine?" Maybe the local gossip wasn't entirely accurate either. Did that thought ever occur to you or do you blithely believe every rumor you hear?
Beyond DIsgusted said... 18
Remona, 6 said: "I have the feeling that no matter what sort of ''proof'' you are given it would not be enough to satisfy you. The expectation that anyone should be able to see the private court rulings by a judge in family court is not only unreasonable, but just plain nonsense. The CPS reports and court rulings are PRIVATE ...
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Well, that's kind of snippy! All I said was that before I believe rumors and speculation, I like to see proof, some kind of proof, any proof. If that's nonsense, then I guess I'm a nonsensical person! :)
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Gossip -- Kate went on TV and specifically said her kids were not expelled from kindergarten. She absolutely tried to sugar coat the whole thing and no, I was not buying it because not only had I heard something different through the grapevine (and it was reported as such on the Internet) but my intuition was telling me that it made sense that the kids were expelled versus Kate wanting to pull them out to homeschool them. After all this would cut into her mani/pedi/tan time and we all know that Kate loves her "me me me" time.
Beyond Disgusted -- I agree that it would be so much easier to have evidence to back up rumors and speculation that is said on a blog but realistically that is just not going to happen.
People hide behind their aliases on blogs and twitter. They can say they live locally so they can pretty much say whatever they want. Some bloggers are going to believe them no matter what and others will be suspicious.
It is documented that I do know someone who is local and yes I have heard a lot of the rumors -- some of which were disturbing -- but I have not posted them. For one thing I will be attacked by people wanting to have proof but seriously how can I provide proof?
My friend posted one story on her blog that turned out not to be true. It was because someone wanted to specifically discredit her by giving her false information because he knew it would wind up on her blog. My friend was most definitely being played.
Now just because one story was based on a lie, does that mean that one should dismiss everything that was posted on her blog or printed in a book?
That decision is up to each blogger. One must decide if they want to dismiss something or everything or believe everything they read as gospel.
But even though I would love to dismiss some of the things that I have heard because they were disturbing, the fact is that RH's book confirmed and validated a lot of things that have been speculated for years on the blogs. It also made me consider that some of the other things that I heard could in fact be true.
If so, IMO all 8 will wind up in therapy when they are over 18.
Kudos to Jon for planning ahead to be there for his kids before they turn 18. As I said on an earlier thread, I was told last year that he moved back to Wernersville (obviously not a rumor since he addressed this issue on Wendy's show). BTW I have been advised that it is a house big enough for 11 kids. Nice to know that when Jon moved out of the woods that he did want to find a place that would be a safe haven for his children. Again kudos to Jon for trying to do the best he can for his kids under tough circumstances.
Jen said... 19
''Sure we did. Robert said that he made up that story and fed it to Al Walentis to see if Al would tell Polly, which he did. She then presented it as fact on her blog, even though it never actually happened. This was one of the entries on Robert's blog from what I remember.''
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Thank you Jen for filling in the blanks of my memory! This blog is great about remembering things, isn't it?
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If one person doesn't remember, another one will! It's all coming back to me now, and weren't there some who doubted the story. and when asked for a police report, were told that none was filed? Red flags right there!
Jen said... 19
"We never did find out whether that "story" was true, or the work of a local who came up with it, someone added to it, and put it out there as gospel."
Sure we did. Robert said that he made up that story and fed it to Al Walentis to see if Al would tell Polly, which he did. She then presented it as fact on her blog, even though it never actually happened. This was one of the entries on Robert's blog from what I remember.
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This is exactly what happened. Polly had reason to believe it was from a good source, in fact someone who she knew to be a friend of Jon's, so she posted the story.
FTR = for the record
IIRC = if I recall correctly
Let's see, what is worse....Child/animal abuse or gossip?
I know what has my vote.
Anyway, I do believe Kate has used food to control and humiliate her children, and I do believe she has locked them out of her bedroom at night.
And many more abusive things that I saw watching the show. She abused the dogs, the chickens, her husband, her friends, the volunteers, her family and her husband....did I miss anything??
I could use some Dwindle humor....
Since I don't know what ''FTR'' means, I don't know if you're saying that my memory of the chicken coop story is correct or not.
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For The Record.
But, on the VH1 clip, Jon says clearly that Collin's fingertip was severed and had to be reattached.
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Yes and people (even parents) do tend to exaggerate at times, BUT the tip of a finger is not the amputation that this has been become. Something that can be reattached in the ER as opposed to micro-surgery to reattach blood vessels in a severed finger, etc. are two entirely different things and that's the point I'm trying to make. People take something small and build it up and others spread it as the gospel truth. Had one of the boys had an injury so severe that it required major surgery I'm sure it would have made the papers and TFW would have gone on the woe is me tour. And here is a tweet from today on this very subject.
@UseCmmonSense: @Kateplusmy8 YOU ignored your child in surgery 2get a finger reattached while U went out to dinner! Jon was w/ his child & shld have custody
Remona, FTR means For The Record.
PJ
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/07/farrah-abraham-second-porn-video_n_4744667.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular
"It's a claim that doesn't seem to be sitting well with Vivid, as the company seems to be taking Abraham's allegations very personally. "[We] had no idea [Abraham would] turn around so abruptly and play us like this," the company explained in a press release. "Here's one big, ridiculous thing we don't pity her for: sociopath liar Farrah Abraham has a second (a second!) sex tape coming out quite quickly, and this time, it's no "fake" "leak" -- it's the real, raw, ridiculous deal, and it suits Farrah's underhanded personality herself.""
Mel said... 29
I felt so bad for Kesley last night. And Farrah....do you think she lies about everything? Think she made up some horrific story to tell the dr? And then was all smiles when that ploy worked? Or you think that was genuine relief at a burden lifted?
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Mel -- I agree with you re Farrah. I think she lies about everything and last night I think she succeeded in fooling the doctor. I think Farrah is only interested to find a way to be on TV which is exactly where she is even though she is on CT but without her other half. Rumor has it she does not have another half but there she is on CT!!!
On TMZ Live Farrah's partner in the sex tape was interviewed this morning. Apparently there is going to be a second sex tape coming out next week; this sequel contains the deleted scenes that were shot when they did the first sex tape.
Farrah is allegedly trying to pitch a fit about it and stop it being released but there is nothing she can do about it.
I can not find anything that says about what happened. In Season 5 episode 3, " Sun, Seashells, and Scrapes" one of the girls gets hurt, I think it ws fat lip that required stithces maybe? She got a iced coffee to slurp on..lol..
As for Collin, cant find anything on google, except for the picture on the cover of LHJ. The article does not say what happen.
I do recall a story about Kate being in a restaurant and not coming when she was called. But cant find anything about that, other then a wiki article that states that.
So Robert made up a story, told Al in confidence, he blabbed to Polly, and Polly published it.
Thanks, Jen. You answered my question before I asked it.
BTW (by the way), I think FTR means "for the record". It took me a while to figure it out, as it isn't a phrase I use much. I'm much more likely to say IIRC (if I recall correctly).
Apparently there is going to be a second sex tape coming out next week; this sequel contains the deleted scenes that were shot when they did the first sex tape.
Farrah is allegedly trying to pitch a fit about it and stop it being released but there is nothing she can do about it.
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This isn't going to show up as a click link on the bottom of this blog, is it...replacing the one for the mini porn Bouncing Boobies game?
Farrah just needs to go away. Forever. Ugh.
This is exactly what happened. Polly had reason to believe it was from a good source, in fact someone who she knew to be a friend of Jon's, so she posted the story.
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Why?
MickeyMcKean said... 44
''Mel said... 29
I felt so bad for Kesley last night. And Farrah....do you think she lies about everything? Think she made up some horrific story to tell the dr? And then was all smiles when that ploy worked? Or you think that was genuine relief at a burden lifted?
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Mel -- I agree with you re Farrah. I think she lies about everything and last night I think she succeeded in fooling the doctor....''
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I think the same as you Mickey. I think that Farrah was very pleased w/herself that she succeeded in fooling the therapist!
Gossip -- Kate went on TV and specifically said her kids were not expelled from kindergarten. She absolutely tried to sugar coat the whole thing and no, I was not buying it because not only had I heard something different through the grapevine (and it was reported as such on the Internet) but my intuition was telling me that it made sense that the kids were expelled versus Kate wanting to pull them out to homeschool them.
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What Kate was doing was playing the semantics game. Technically, she was correct. The term "expelled" is not used in that grade, so when she said that they weren't expelled, she really wasn't lying. However, someone caught on to her word game.
What she didn't say was that she had no choice. The decision wasn't hers to make. She had to remove them from school. There was no other option.
Well Walt has popped back in on twitter to trash Admin over the locked bedroom doors. I believe that he's said much worse in the past in addition to bragging about having pizza sent to Kate's hotel. Obviously Walt spends time monitoring this blog.
Lily
Now just because one story was based on a lie, does that mean that one should dismiss everything that was posted on her blog or printed in a book?
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No, but it does give a reason to be very careful about believing what is posted. You know, the "fool me once" thing. You post a story based on a lie because you're gullible, and it stands to reason that your credibility is going to be called into question on anything subsequently posted.
Lanc Native said... 177
I was shopping in a thrift store this morning to purchase clothing for a family who was displaced by fire. We've had several fires in the area lately. There are still thousands without power, and Obama declared a state of emergency for our county, one of six in the state.
Anyway, I came across Multiple Blessings for a dime, and the new cookbook for a quarter. I guess someone wasn't impressed with opening cans and dumping.
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I can top that! LOL.
I do a lot of penny shopping at Dollar General for the foster kids my agency serves. I recently saw a copy of 8 Little Faces with a pink sticker in the discount bin. The pink sticker meant that if I purchased (never!) the book, it would ring up as .01 cents. Even a penny is too much for that drivel.
Okay, I have to admit, I have been using scroll quite a bit today...
it appears there is arguing about whether or not we should or should not believe something when we have or dont have what we call probable evidence.
I am not going to get involved in the arguing but do have this to say....
If we believe everything that we hear about Jon or Kate without question...are we not being a sheeple?
I think we all know that stories have been planted, there are an awful lot of " insiders" or sources close to Jon or Kate, who have shared stories. People will believe what they want to believe. Strong arming through words and then being upset that you are not able to change anothers perspective is... I dont know what to call it, but It feels yucky.
I almost want to say there might be a sheep amongst the blog tonight, as that is often what tends to cause this type of " unrest"
just saying...
Is it really worth it to argue over spoiled food and locked doors? We all know that things have happened in that House of Horrors, to what extent, only those that have lived in that house or spent a lot of time in that house know the truth. The rest is all pure speculation.
Now, hopefully everyone whose panties are tied in knots can move on. :) she says because she really prefers when we disagree without so much unrest.
and yes, I am feeling better :)
Well, anyone watching the opening ceremonies? So far there is a lot of talk and very little show.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 53
Well, anyone watching the opening ceremonies? So far there is a lot of talk and very little show.
February 7, 2014 at 8:09 PM
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Huh? Oh, sorry, I'm just sitting here watching paint dry...
No, seriously, I'm waiting for my cucumber facial peel to dry, so I can pull it off and go to sleep!
njay said:
I'm saying ANYONE who speaks things as a fact without any type of proof, here or elsewhere, and they speak it to make or defame ANYONE is as bad a Kate. Harmful words are wrong. They can and do destroy when used without anything to back them up.
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Well then njay - you lost me. People here make comments and yes occasionally make statements when they should say "hey, I'm not sure if this is a fact but it has been said that ...." But to say that makes them AS BAD AS Kate is something I cannot agree with in any way, shape or form. As bad as a repeat child abuser? As bad as a shrew to her husband? As bad as a lying grifter who took money from church goers while signing big money contracts? Nope, sorry - cannot see where you are coming from nor agree with it.
Mickey McKean - yes, for now Ghostface can still trade in on his fading fame. And probably for many years to come, except that the quality of women that will chase after him is only going to diminish as he ages and grows more obscure.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 53
Well, anyone watching the opening ceremonies? So far there is a lot of talk and very little show.
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I have been reading some of the tweets from the poor journalists stuck in third-world hotel rooms. The tweets are really funny and they're being very good sports about it. One journalist was told not to use the water. When she was told it was now able to be used, they said not to use it on her face. Bob Costas must not have gotten the memo, he reportedly has pinkeye or something similar.
Something is terribly wrong when these people have to live like this and these Olympics cost 50B.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2552200/Welcome-Sochi-Journalists-horror-finding-hotels-awash-stray-dogs-brown-water-bugs-no-lightbulbs-days-ahead-Games.html
Gabby2 said... 39
Let's see, what is worse....Child/animal abuse or gossip?
I know what has my vote.
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Apparently to at least one poster here - these two things are 100% equally bad. Not a whit of difference. Which I found very strange.
I'm watching. They spent 50 billion dollars, built a gigantic opening stadium solely for opening and closing ceremonies, and their graphics didn't work properly to form the 5 rings. LOL
I'm watching. They spent 50 billion dollars, built a gigantic opening stadium solely for opening and closing ceremonies, and their graphics didn't work properly to form the 5 rings. LOL
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Lol as they say the devil's in the details. I love how Matt Lauer was kinda like....well that's a shame. Ha.
Maybe it was a little karma.
I love that Venezuelan guy. 43 years old and so excited to represent his country. God bless him!
Collin in a small cost on the cover of Ladies Home Journal
http://www.lhj.com/lhj/imagePopUp.jsp?imageUrl=http://images.meredith.com/lhj/images/2009/04/p_LadiesHomeMay09.jpg
I must say, that is such a sweet picture. It makes me very sad that these precious little kids have had such a deranged person for a mother. They deserve so much more.
Nah Fleecing, no AG. Not since my GD turned me on to the Monster High chicks. Very goth. HA!
The fifth ring was gay. It couldn't come out. It was also the red ring. Ironic.
I'm DVRing the opening ceremonies so I can watch it in less than half the time!
I, too, have no trouble at all believing Kate sent back stale (at best?) lunches with the children or that some children were locked in their rooms at night.
I, too, believe it's all about control with her. IMO, she married a man she perceived as weak so she could be in control. Conversely, Jon married a woman who was stronger than he on some levels so she would take control. Then 8 children were born, life was impossibly stressful and they ended up resenting each other for what
initially attracted them to each other. It happens all the time. I doubt there was anyway to have worked through it given what I believe to be Kate's pathology: malignant narcissim. Jon was lucky to get out, but 8 kids are left there to deal with it.
The clips of the 'ugly moments' someone posted were a stunning reminder to me of how she can not take any
personal responsibility. It was always Jon's fault when she was out of control. If he had done X, Y or Z, it
wouldn't have occured. In the clips, I watched him speak up, saw how difficult it was for him to do it (I think the crew being there filming gave him courage: he wasn't facing her alone) and watched her keep turning it back on him. Who did she think she was convincing?
My other thought was what an unbelievable bitch she was. How he lasted as long as he did in that marriage is amazing. He was truly beaten down to nothing by her. A man doing that to a woman would not be given a pass.
I think there is no doubt that stories get stretched/embellished. We've all seen it. It's wise to question, ask for sources and want facts. And I think the posters on this blog do a good job of that. When people are speculating or stating personal opinion, they generally say so.
I do wish the locals with information would share what they know as best they can w/o getting anyone in trouble. I am worried about those kids - especially now when the the shit is hitting the fan and Kate's image as the perfect mother (and family) is crashing down. I worry expecially about Colin, Cara and Alexis. One turns anger inward, IMO, and the others turn it outward, but it all comes from the same place. Two likely get more attention because their anger directly affects others, but the other child is just as vulnerable, IMO.
Vanessa - I read your articles on narcissism with great interest. I seem to attract them in my life and would like to understand why that may be. Can you point me to anything helpful? I have no trouble moving on once I realize what they are, but wonder why they seem so drawn to me. It may be bc I am a very good listener, which is a rare quality any more (if I do say so myself - Lol) and they want undivided attention.
OT - Scroll if not interested, please
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Original court ruling in the 1993 New York Supreme Court custody case in which Woody Allen was denied custody of his 3 children with Mia Farrow.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/205403621/Allen-v-Farrow-Custody-Ruling-June-7-1993
Would love to have a thread just for this case if you are so inclined, Admin.
Meagler said...
"If we believe everything that we hear about Jon or Kate without question...are we not being a sheeple? "
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My definition of a sheeple is someone who takes a rotten act by their idol and spins it into rainbows and lollipops or ignores the behaviour and deflects to some other topic. A sheeple states their glowing opinion of said idol, but never has concrete evidence to back it up.
I've been asking, for years, to have the defenders give one concrete example of her being a good mother. No one has ever responded. Stating that she has 8, count 'em, 8 kids is not a sound argument. Stating that she feeds, clothes and keeps a roof over their head is not conclusive either. Any act that she performs is nothing more than millions of mothers do every day. It's the nasty things she does that have made her famous. In a matter of minutes we can compile a laundry list of awful things she's said and done and it's not rumour or speculation, it's all on video for the world to see. If she were even half-way decent, she might still have a t.v. show. If she were polarizing to 50/50 she might still have a show. But when the split is 95 to 5? (speculation as this number is pretty hard to prove) If she was simply "nice" people would have left her alone and there would be no need for sheeple.
PJ
The Not -a-Nanny took Cara to the doctor, because Cara had been complaining about a sore leg for a few days. Kate didnt think there was likely anything wrong so sent Cara with the not-a-nanny
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Also it was more important to finish the staged "family game night" that was being filmed in order to show the world what a fun/great mommy tfw was than it was to take one of your other children to get their foot checked after complaining for a week.
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Key word here, PROOF! That is what defines my feelings. Without that, it's plain gossip.
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What defines MY feelings is my "gut" , my history, my memories, my experiences, my "fight or flight" intuition. Admin used the smoking gun analogy-"extreme comparison" (relax everyone, not saying tfw is the same) but Casey Anthony is free because the jury wanted absolute proof. I'm going with if it walks like a duck....
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Mammaknows,
Although I appreciate the confidence you have in me giving you advice, I really think you need to do some soul searching. My therapist told me that a narcissist/enabler relationship does not just happen accidentally or radomly. "SOMETHING pulls those 2 together. Each saw something in the other that they KNEW would fulfill their needs. I think you need to try and figure out what is it about YOU that makes you gravitate towards these people. Much like Jon:)
And absolutely NO disrespect, but "I" cannot fathom how someone's radar doesn't kick in when in the presence of these people. I HATE hearing of people being taken advantage of ,treated like dirt, used and abused. I hope it's not in an extreme case for you.
Love this blog!!
Thanks for the link to the MF-WA court docs, MamaKnows. Fascinating read.
PJ
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Woody responds:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/09/opinion/sunday/woody-allen-speaks-out.html?_r=0
His new girlfriend is mean, just like Kate. Why couldn't he find some nice quiet woman?
Talented though he might be in his industry of choice, Woody Allen makes my skin crawl, so I'd probably scroll right past a blog post about his 1993 custody ruling. Not that I don't think it's pertinent in some way(s) to this blog, but I've had more than my fill of him in the last couple of weeks. Er, lifetime.
Vanessa, good advice to MamaKnowsa. You learn to go with your gut. To this day, I get a knot in my stomach when I'm in the presence of a person of the lie.
BTW, People of the Lie is a great book by M. Scott Peck. It's the study of evil, which he says is sorely lacking in the profession.
PJ
Re the "gossip" versus absolute proof debate -- I'm on the fence here. I believe that some of the stories about TFMJG are exaggerations at best. I also believe that there's at least a germ of truth in many of them. I tend to go with Admin's "gut check" on whether I believe or not, although I do tend to take things with a grain of salt. We here on this blog have a tendency to want to believe the very worst of TFMJG -- that she's an irredeemable, abusive monster with no good qualities, just as the Sheeple want to believe that she's a perfect paragon of motherhood who never makes a misstep or error. The truth is, she's a mixture of both -- I'm sure she has some good qualities. I can't think of any off hand -- ;>) -- but I'm sure there must be one or two. Someone compared it to a jury -- in a criminal case, it must be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. In a civil case, the preponderance of the evidence is the guideline. I'm a civil case juror, LOL.
Empress -- I'm with you on Woody Allen. He makes my skin crawl too. I've never understood the adulation for him. Some of his movies are good, but I find most of them to be crashing bores. I'm really not interested in a post about the 1993 case. I believe Dylan. Mia's a flake, but I don't think she's pathological. SOMETHING was going on that raised all her red flags.
Mammaknows,
Although I appreciate the confidence you have in me giving you advice, I really think you need to do some soul searching. My therapist told me that a narcissist/enabler relationship does not just happen accidentally or radomly. "SOMETHING pulls those 2 together. Each saw something in the other that they KNEW would fulfill their needs. I think you need to try and figure out what is it about YOU that makes you gravitate towards these people. Much like Jon:)
And absolutely NO disrespect, but "I" cannot fathom how someone's radar doesn't kick in when in the presence of these people. I HATE hearing of people being taken advantage of ,treated like dirt, used and abused. I hope it's not in an extreme case for you.
Love this blog!!
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Not extreme for me, but I do recognize a pattern and I believe that we are drawn to each other as you said. Much like Jon and Kate were as well. If you run across any articles abt it, I would love to read them. I don't think of myself as a passive personality or an enabler at all which is why it puzzles me. I will continue to reflect on it. Thanks and no disrespect taken. I think you pick up on it so quickly because you lived it. Many of us just have brushes with it if you know what I mean.
The proof I need is written in the past in Kate's control over food and the kids staying in their rooms. The portion control on the prison trays, measly grape & cracker lunches on paper plates, strict order of eating school lunch, making them eat things until they liked them, time-out if you prefer no milk on your cereal...not taking down the baby-gate and letting the tups out of bed till 8:30, returning them to cribs for a 4- hour nap, punishing those who got up early with more confinement time in their crib, telling them she needed nap time (me-time) more than they did. I wouldn't be surprised if some kids end up with eating disorders or sleep issues.
Casey Anthony is free because the jury wanted absolute proof.
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Exactly. That is a case where wanting absolute proof resulted in a murderer getting off and let back into society. Should have gone with their gut instinct.
I remember one of the jury members saying that the prosecution didn't "prove" it. I was so frustrated when I heard that. They don't need to PROVE it, you idiot. They just need to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. That's very different than just proving it.
Wow, it really annoys me that I just got a CNN text alert spoiling the results of one of the snowboarding events tonight that hasn't even aired yet here. What the hell? Are they going to do this the whole Olympics? We'll get the results at 5 am and won't actually see it until later that evening? I don't want to get a text alert about something big like Shaun White, I want to see it in real time.
Came across this on Wikipedia.
"It is said ‘neurotics make themselves miserable; those with character disorders make everyone else miserable’. M. Scott Peck
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M._Scott_Peck
MamaKnows, are you neurotic? I know I am. :>) LOL!
We all know who takes pleasure in making the people around her miserable.
PJ
I think you pick up on it so quickly because you lived it. Many of us just have brushes with it if you know what I mean.
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Yes, know exactly what you mean, and I think you get what I'm saying too. And don't get me wrong, being a good person, having a good soul are qualities that I admire and are surely lacking in the world. But to be those things at the "expense" of your soul, your being is wrong. When you are taken advantage of, when you're mistreated, when you are not respected, when you are made to feel responsible for the other person's feelings about themselves and are to blame for their rage or abuse, then something's gotta give. You were not put on this earth to be a punching bag, literally and metaphorically. So when I said to Mammaknows I hope it's not an extreme case, this is what I meant. And forget about "why" you're there, JUST GET OUT. The figuring out or soul searching can happen later.
FTR (teehee) I don't believe the posters who were debating about PROOF are sheeple. They've been posting here forever too and feel very much like the rest of us regarding POS.
Re: PJ / Anonymous - Post 75
"BTW, People of the Lie is a great book by M. Scott Peck. It's the study of evil, which he says is sorely lacking in the profession."
The late author was the close relative of my church's pastor here in Lancaster - and I was directed to The People of the Lie after working for a raging bipolar CEO.The book opened my eyes to the existence of evil around us (something I had never considered seriously in a psychological/religious context). Here's a blurb about the book from Amazon:
"People who are evil attack others instead of facing their own failures. Peck demonstrates the havoc these people of the lie work in the lives of those around them. He presents, from vivid incidents encountered in his psychiatric practice, examples of evil in everyday life."
My definition of a sheeple is someone who takes a rotten act by their idol and spins it into rainbows and lollipops or ignores the behaviour and deflects to some other topic. A sheeple states their glowing opinion of said idol, but never has concrete evidence to back it up.
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Yes and things are very black and white. All things their idol does are always good. All things anyone else does who is opposed to their idol (such as an ex) are bad. There are no gray areas, no in between, no compromise.
http://blog.californiapsychics.com/blog/2010/12/6-ways-to-stop-being-an-enabler.html
http://www.mindperk.com/articles/stop-being-taken-advantage-of/
http://tinybuddha.com/blog/are-you-too-nice-how-to-be-kind-and-be-good-to-yourself/
Here's some good ones, the "less extreme victim" pathology. We know people or have friends like this, maybe we should put ourselves in their shoes. You don't have to be degraded and abused to feel like someone is taking advantage of you. There should always be give and take with all relationships.
"People who are evil attack others instead of facing their own failures. Peck demonstrates the havoc these people of the lie work in the lives of those around them. He presents, from vivid incidents encountered in his psychiatric practice, examples of evil in everyday life."
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Totally agree! Take out the brimstone and cloven hooves, there is everyday evil EVERYWHERE. It exists.
"Hate" is a very strong word. Same with "hater." It suggests motives and emotional states that may or may not be true.
True, some people sit on a timeline like turkey buzzards, waiting for the moment where they can swoop in and peck the carcass of the person who's being vilified in a given moment. True, also, that some people tweet/blog their opinions more elegantly (i.e. in a more cogent, circumspect fashion), than others. But that doesn't mean they're hateful. It quite possibly means they're heartsick, to the point where they feel they must say aloud the things that many of us are thinking. Perhaps not in the way that you/I would, but individuality makes the world go 'round, am I right?
For Example: You might not like the way I come across, but it's likely that at least one person out there will. Same with those that you call "haters." Who knows: Maybe their manner of speaking is exactly what it takes to capture some people's attention, to help them finally realize what we see clearly, and have seen, for a very long time. Like those Super Bowl commercials, for instance. Some were meh for me, but proved buzz-worthy for others.
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Empress, I really liked this post of yours:)
Someone said that admin verified the source, when in fact she clearly stated that the source wasn't vetted. Why would someone state that admin verified the source when admin was honest enough to admit that the person wasn't vetted? I, for one, appreciate her honesty and disclosure about this.
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That was ME:) And I still absolutely whole heartedly believe the source. That's MY choice
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 13h
@XXXXXX Kate really weighs all the pros/cons of her decisions abt kids very carefully. Much that public does not know...#HerReasons
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If these are the decisions Kate makes after weighing the pros and cons carefully ... she should probably just start flipping a coin.
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Re: PJ / Anonymous - Post 75
"BTW, People of the Lie is a great book by M. Scott Peck. It's the study of evil, which he says is sorely lacking in the profession."
The late author was the close relative of my church's pastor here in Lancaster - and I was directed to The People of the Lie after working for a raging bipolar CEO.The book opened my eyes to the existence of evil around us (something I had never considered seriously in a psychological/religious context).
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I'm glad you found the book useful, as did I. It was recommended to me by a therapist and boy, did it clear a lot of things up for me. The only thing missing was my mother's picture. My personal journey is still not without pitfalls. My siblings still laugh at the things I recount to them. They pass it off as "the way people did things back then". You start to second-guess yourself and wonder if you're the one with the problem. While you do have to take ownership for yourself, you receive validation from the good people in your life. Some people never grow, a sad fact. A narcissist can't be "cured". They sometimes have an "aha!" moment when they are old and grey, but by then it's usually too late. All the people they've repelled during their life have moved on and have no interest in trying anymore.
PJ
Vanessa ~ I like that you said "take out the brimstone and cloven hooves, there is everyday evil everywhere. It exists. Your comment resonates with me because, being raised in an oppressive religious family, I rejected some of the more suffocating ideas I heard in those fire-and-brimstone sermons. I've struggled since, with naming Evil for what it is.
I know some here will disagree, and I respect their positions. But I think it's confusing when we attribute bad behaviors to Satan, or call evil-doers spawn of the Devil. Sometimes its just seemingly ordinary people who've given full sway to their shadow sides.
It's not as if Evil presents itself with horns, a pointed tail and pitchfork. It's a shape-shifter. Hence, the dearth of web links that prove its existence.
Bitchy Pants said... 79
Empress -- I'm with you on Woody Allen. He makes my skin crawl too. I've never understood the adulation for him. Some of his movies are good, but I find most of them to be crashing bores. I'm really not interested in a post about the 1993 case. I believe Dylan. Mia's a flake, but I don't think she's pathological. SOMETHING was going on that raised all her red flags.
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ITA.
Earlier in the week on THE VIEW Baba gave the impression she did not believe this story and made comments on both parents, then the next day she had to repeat what she said due to comments made on twitter or whatever.
On Friday's episode Rosie O'Donnell was a guest, is a victim of abuse, and the subject came up. Rosie said she knows MF, she is a good mother, and hands down completely believes Dylan.
On THE TALK Sheryl said was a victim and she said she was the one who was blamed for the abuse because she must have done something to entice the abuser in the first place. Sheryl made the point that if a child is sexualized at a young age then something has happened to that child.
Thank goodness these days people are now more aware of what signs or red flags to look for and that child abuse can happen in *any* household and not just in certain neighborhoods.
My definition of a sheeple is someone who takes a rotten act by their idol and spins it into rainbows and lollipops or ignores the behaviour and deflects to some other topic. A sheeple states their glowing opinion of said idol, but never has concrete evidence to back it up.
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Milo is an example of a sheeple kisser-upper who worships a celebrity. However, a sheeple doesn't have to be a follower of an idol or celebrity. He/she could just worm their way into a person's life, befriending a person and hanging on their every word, believing that person could never do wrong, all the while making excuses for that person's actions. These people bother me, the butt kissers who have set themselves up as spokespersons or mouthpieces for another person. If that other person wants to speak, then let him/her comment on the blogs without having another person do it for them.
What, though, is the difference between a sheeple and a fan? All sheeple are fans, but are all fans sheeple?
Re the "gossip" versus absolute proof debate -- I'm on the fence here. I believe that some of the stories about TFMJG are exaggerations at best. I also believe that there's at least a germ of truth in many of them.
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I agree. Here's the thing. If someone wants to believe the stories and gossip, then that's their decision. Most people here have the ability to think logically, are intelligent, and put two and two together, do their own analysis and arrive at their own conclusions. There is no right and wrong answer. Those who want proof are not sheeple...they are not ignorant. Sheeple, however, have no critical thinking abilities, and that's what separates them from those who can weigh the two sides of an issue.
However, in the case of the chicken story, it would have seemed it was credible. Bloggers could look at Jon's fondness for partying and drinking. Added to the animosity that was going on with TFW at the time, the story may have made perfect sense. When you looked at it, then yes, many were fooled into believing that story was true because it "sounded" like something he would have done. However, it turned out to be totally false. This is when the "well, based on what she/he is capable of doing" doesn't really hold water. We saw that in the chicken caper plant it was a false assumption. That's sometimes where the danger comes in -- saying that well, yes, I believe it because it fits into what that person is likely to do. Turns out that this isn't always the case.
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My definition of a sheeple is someone who takes a rotten act by their idol and spins it into rainbows and lollipops or ignores the behaviour and deflects to some other topic. A sheeple states their glowing opinion of said idol, but never has concrete evidence to back it up.
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Yes and things are very black and white. All things their idol does are always good. All things anyone else does who is opposed to their idol (such as an ex) are bad. There are no gray areas, no in between, no compromise.
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It was not too long ago that I heard -- probably on TMZ -- that a father had a young daughter that idolizes Justin Bieber.
We adults all know that Justin is on a path that will eventually wind him up behind bars if he does not wake up soon and change his ways.
Anyway this father said something along the lines of: "I don't want my daughter to idolize him so I am going to tell her that Justin was caught abusing puppies because I know that is just something that will change her mind about him forever."
We "haters" are all former fans who watched J&K+8 for however many episodes before we took off our rose colored glasses and saw the true Kate and/or realized that a reality show is not really reality because it is scripted.
For me it was when Kate looked out her kitchen window and said, "mine, all mine" and I thought how can she forget that she lives with 9 other people? Then it was just a few months later that Jon was busted with Deanna Hummel and the rest is history.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 13h
@XXXXXX Kate really weighs all the pros/cons of her decisions abt kids very carefully. Much that public does not know...#HerReasons
This is the kind of statement that makes Milo come off as being totally nuts. She has no idea what Kate does in making decisions, and each time she pretends to know things the public doesn't know, she becomes more and more the butt of jokes and nothing she says sounds credible.
I think in the case of Milo, she seems to love the attention by drive-by young fans who are impressed that she's such good friends with Kate. These people don't know Milo's history, .that she's never met Kate, and she's nothing more than obsessed fan who actually believes that she's part of Kate's life. I wonder how all of this is going to end with Kate and Milo. In a way, it's fascinating; in another way, it's just sad, and it could have tragic consequences if Milo is just blown off.
Totally agree! Take out the brimstone and cloven hooves, there is everyday evil EVERYWHERE. It exists.
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Speaking of fire and brimstone, read Jonathan Edwards' sermon, "Sinners In The Hands Of An Angry God" (Enfield, Connecticut, 1741):
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"O sinner! Consider the fearful danger you are in: it is a great furnace of wrath, a wide and bottomless pit, full of the fire of wrath, that you are held over in the hand of that God, whose wrath is provoked and incensed as much against you, as against many of the damned in hell. You hang by a slender thread, with the flames of divine wrath flashing about it, and ready every moment to singe it, and burn it asunder; and you have no interest in any Mediator, and nothing to lay hold of to save yourself, nothing to keep off the flames of wrath, nothing of your own, nothing that you ever have done, nothing that you can do, to induce God to spare you one moment. -- And consider here more particularly.
It is everlasting wrath. It would be dreadful to suffer this fierceness and wrath of Almighty God one moment; but you must suffer it to all eternity. There will be no end to this exquisite horrible misery. When you look forward, you shall see a long for ever, a boundless duration before you, which will swallow up your thoughts, and amaze your soul; and you will absolutely despair of ever having any deliverance, any end, any mitigation, any rest at all."
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If you were a parishioner of Edwards' congregation way back then, this probably would have been enough to send even the most evil offenders on the straight and narrow!
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Your post got me thinking about all the things I've heard that but yet I know I did not post anything about it.
One thing in particular I know about but I don't know whether or not I heard it from my friend or read it on one of the Gosselin blogs years ago.
The rumor was that the local grocery store gave Kate a designated reserved parking space next to their front door. Obviously she was not using it 24/7 but if Kate did go to the store and if someone was parked in it, she would demand that the vehicle be towed out of her spot.
Now this story was from years ago and if you were still watching the show you might be inclined not to believe this story. But if you look back at it now, especially after all the reported negative 1:1s in Target or wherever, you see Kate in a different light.
So this is kinda sorta a test ~ Are hearing this rumor for the first time? If yes, do you believe it or dismiss it?
If it turns out that you guys have not read about this rumor, then it would make me think I must have heard about it from my friend and if so it would be because she saw the reserved parking spot sign and/or no doubt heard from the locals complaining about Kate wanting cars towed.
So I'm curious ~ has anyone else heard about this parking spot issue or is it just me?
Thank you, Vanessa, for looking for articles. Those weren't what I was looking for, but inspired me to search again and I found an article that really reasonated with me: http://anupturnedsoul.wordpress.com/2013/07/20/are-you-a-magnet-for-narcissists/ (Specifically, Part 2)
I'm going to print it and read it again while I soak in the tub.
I read Scott Peck's books years ago. I loved The Road Less Traveled. It really set me on a course that changed my life. It begins with the sentence: "Life is hard." I found that comforting and affirming at the time and still do. I read People of the Lie as well and it was fascinating. Some of Peck's references to malignant narcissism can be found here: http://www.geftakysassembly.com/Articles/Perspectives/MalignantNarcissism.htm
To me a sheeple is a blind follower, who sees no flaw in their idol. (Kate) A fan is someone who admires a specific talent or trait of a person (not sure what that would be in TFW) but realize she is human and is not perfect.They can see the person as real, while a sheeple puts their idol up on a pedestal and does not see any wrong she does despite evidence to the contrary.
We "haters" are all former fans who watched J&K+8 for however many episodes before we took off our rose colored glasses and saw the true Kate and/or realized that a reality show is not really reality because it is scripted.
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I don't consider myself a "hater." I am not fond of the woman. The things she does are despicable, but I'm not a "hater," and I was never a fan. Never. I didn't have to take off my rose-colored glasses because I never wore them!
This is a little off topic, but I apologize if this has been mentioned before. But I just had a thought about Kate posting the Lego picture on her twitter feed. The Lego Movie opened yesterday, and a lightbulb went off for me. She was trying to find some way to cash in on the movie.
Anyway, for me, it now makes sense.
Same. I am not a 'hater' I hate things TFW has done and is doing, but not her in that I don't want to see harm come to her, only justice.
As for the parking spot, wasn't it at Giant? I agree the way she acted if it was used by another shopper was ridiculous. There are 'mom' spots in some areas ANY mother can use who has toddlers or small kids that crossing a parking lot might be dangerous for- that's what Kate should have been designated .As for Target 'girls' carrying her bags to her car, again , ridiculous. And clearing stores so TFW can shop? Please. She was not the only customer and other shoppers are entitled to the same rights. Some may have issues of their own which make shopping difficult, not necessarily warranting a handicapped or special spot.
There is a photo on Kate's twitter where all the kids are reaching for the bird (Nov 12 or 13), can someone enlarge Collins hands?
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