Thursday, December 26, 2013

Karen Dotrice: 'I’ve never really wanted any of my children to become child actors like me'

Saving Mr. Banks is an endearing film now in theaters about Walt Disney’s struggle to acquire the rights to a children’s author’s beloved books, but the actor who played Jane in ‘Mary Poppins’ says child actors are who really need saving




Another child actor is all grown up and joining the long list of former child stars disclosing all was not as cheery as it seemed. Karen Dotrice won hearts as Jane in the 1963 film ‘Mary Poppins. The brilliant Sherman brothers’ song “The Perfect Nanny,” in which Jane reads an advertisement describing the kind of caretaker any child would long for, is particularly sweet (and funny).



Doctrice, who left show business as a teenager, had this to say about child stardom:

 “If I’d had my way, I’d still never have done any of those films, because kids should be kids. They should be doing their homework, or outside riding horses. They should be learning and growing at their own pace – and learning things at the right time, rather than when it’s convenient for others. It’s just not normal for a child to have that kind of focus on them and then trot off into life thinking that everyone’s going to pamper them and treat them as if they’re ‘special’. The fact is that if you’re living in a Justin Bieberesque type world surrounded by a bunch of yes people, the odds are you’re going to struggle in later life. That’s why I’ve never really wanted any of my children to become child actors like me. I’ve seen a lot of my peers go through terrible times and have to deal with all sorts of demons.”

Thank you, Karen for your insight.

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Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

And really, who "bar hops" at 36 years old? That is the pastime of a 21 year old. Then you grow up and realize what is the point of that? A bar is a bar. A drink is a drink. Unless it's your bachelorette or something. Bar hopping in rural PA just sounds silly. Because it is.

Carole said...

I hope a family court judge forces him into rehab. REAL rehab.

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Rehab because he had 3 drinks with a reporter and there are beer bottle caps in a dish on his deck (been there for how long)? IDK if Jon has a drinking problem or not, but I can't assume that he does because of one article.
From all we've seen and know, what both Jon and TFW need is therapy and lots of it, not rehab (at least not from what we know anyway).



Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

I never got the specific impression Tuma believed so highly in Jon, but that he saw a bogus lawsuit and felt strongly that it needed to be shot down.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Formely, I think that's what I remember too. If it was the same one who was the first to disclose the abuse, I believe her. She was right about the abuse and tried to disclose it and it fell on deaf ears. I do distinctly remember SOMEONE saying Kate curses like a sailor be it her or someone else.

That's fine, who cares? As long as she turns it off when it's not appropriate. And assuming Jon has always cursed, I don't know if Kate would be okay with that language if she didn't also use the same language. I'm betting they both did and do.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Tuma also believed Jon was the better parent and identified with him as a dad.

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

Trust me, it's disappointing when you have one perception of a client and then they turn around and are someone else. It does sometimes feel like a betrayal. It's something you have to sort of deal with, it does happen. I think though Tuma has enough experience to know that this happens all the time and not to take it personally.
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Right. He's an experienced attorney. I'm sure he's not taking Jon's interview or what Jon said personally. So why feel sorry for him (Tuma)?

Over In TFW's County said...

I see nothing wrong with Jon calling out TFW...He's not putting the kids on display like TFW.

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It's wasn't about calling out TFW...it is about what he called her. No matter how angry you are, how much you've been beaten down, no matter how sick and tired you are of your ex, you don't give an interview and call her an a$$hole. You just don't. All this does is make you look like you've never moved on, that you're just as guilty of being a parental alienator, in addition to showing your lack of class. You think about what effect this will have on your children if they find out about it. Moreover, your actions define you as a role model. You think about your children, and how doing shots, drinking, and urinating in public will make you look in their eyes. If in doubt, don't do it, and THINK before you act.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Agree with Carole, this sounds more like a case for therapy. At his weight, three drinks probably wouldn't make him drunk. Ideally, you shouldn't drink at ALL when driving but the law does allow for a few drinks in your system, depending on your height and weight. Plus the reporter doesn't say how long a time frame this occurred over. I could probably fill a fish bowl with bottle caps eventually, but we don't drink beer here except with tacos, which only happens once a week or more. No one has an issue with alcohol here. Plus you host one or two Christmas parties and that fish bowl is full. Now that said a 36 year old with a fish bowl of bottle caps is just juvenile. There's really no way of knowing if the alcohol is something that is a problem or not. Same goes for all the wine Kate drinks. Just because she's having one glass after dinner doesn't mean she is or isn't a raging alcoholic. She could have a problem, or maybe she doesn't. But therapy would be a good first step for the both of them to rule that out.

Sheri said...

Bitchy Pants said... 62

"Thanks franky and others for the info on gateau. Guess I did have it confused with a similar word which means cake. As I said, I didn't take French."

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Okay, I missed the context of this conversation so I'm really confused because as a Canadian who lives in the bilingual capital right next to the French province of Quebec, gateau has always meant cake.

What did I miss?

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gateau

Definition of GÂTEAU

1
: food baked or served in the form of a cake

2
: a rich or fancy cake


Now back to reading the rest of the thread. :P

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I don't know what to tell you Tweet. Because in a perfect world it's just nice to be fighting on the "right" side once in awhile and in a perfect world it's just nice to have an idea of who someone is and not be blindsided when that's not true. That's all.

JMO said...

Formerly Duped said... 200
Didn't one of the anonymous nannies say Kate swears a blue streak before retiring with her bottle of wine?

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A lot of people swear. But if you are meeting with a reporter, who is recording your every word, and trying to present yourself positively, using the F word does not really show you have any restraint or self-control. Aside from that, Jon did it non-stop knowing this article would be published. Is this something he wants his kids to read?

Sorry but most parents trying to make a good impression for an article, would not go off with the F word over and over again. Honestly, had he done the article sober, he probably would have presented himself much differently like he did in recent interviews. Something his kids could read and be proud of.



Carole said...

I assume he wasn't thinking straight when he was drinking at the establishment he works at, then drives to two other bars and then drives to a friend's driveway to take a pee, making sure he showed off his gun also to the interviewer.

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I don't think Jon showed the reporter his gun the nite they were out and don't know if he had it with him then (at one time he said he only carries it to protect the kids since there is no bodyguard for them). I thought it was a few weeks later when he and Jon were out running errands, the day he bought the gun safe.

chefsummer #Leh said...

Kate is an a$$-hole lol and Jon could have called her a lot worse like calling her a good-mother-(ugh).

Plus the public has called KK worse-er things than a-hole.

AuntieAnn said...

Geez Jon. Not that my opinion matters to him but he needs to grow up, sober up and shut up. Driving after drinking is a no no as is drinking and talking to reporters. Kate may indeed be an asshole but he just made a jackass of himself by saying she is publicly. Stooopid. If he's trying to portray himself as a bad boy it isn't working. He comes off sounding childish in that article. Those poor kids have a couple brats for parents.

On another note, I got all involved in the Breaking Bad marathon yesterday. I watched it from the beginning to about the middle of the second season until I couldn't keep my eyes open anymore. It starts again in about half an hour here. I can see what you guys were talking about. The show is intense!

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

I get it, Admin. I just don't think Tuma needs anyone's sympathy. He did his job and he did it very well. As for identifying w/Jon as a dad, etc., it sounds like drama to me. Guess I'm too pragmatic.

Bitchy Pants said...

Sheri -- I'm still confused, LOL, but basically someone described a gateau of bitter green sheep chow with beets and feta cheese and, because I don't really know French, I asked. I thought gateau meant cake and asked if I had it confused with a similar sounding word. Turns out, the poster was talking about a salad TFMJG posted a picture of. So -- gateau does mean cake? Good to know, especially if I visit your province and want to order dessert. I'd hate to wind up with a salad instead :>) .

Paula said...

It's wasn't about calling out TFW...it is about what he called her. No matter how angry you are, how much you've been beaten down, no matter how sick and tired you are of your ex, you don't give an interview and call her an a$$hole

Why? I think that is a mild term for what Kate is in light of what she has done to her children and their father. The sanctimonious bent on some of these posts is just so darn amusing. This man has been through hell and back and back to hell again at the hands of TLC and his ex-wife because he saw what "reality" tv was doing to his children and wanted them off and you all want to judge him? Wow, is all I have to say. Glad you aren't my "friends".

Wine or Beer said...

Now that said a 36 year old with a fish bowl of bottle caps is just juvenile.

How is this any more juvenile than saving all of your wine corks in a bowl and putting them on display? I've even seen a bag of wine corks with some sort of a container to get you started (Dillard's). Just Jon's version of the whole wine cork craze. Wine or beer...does it really matter?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Obama has been caught saying the a-hole word and Biden the F word. Bush is on record saying the F word and A word. This is a fun article about the history of presidents and cursing.

http://www.politico.com/click/stories/1006/great_swears_in_history.html

AuntieAnn said...

Okay, I missed the context of this conversation so I'm really confused because as a Canadian who lives in the bilingual capital right next to the French province of Quebec, gateau has always meant cake.
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Oy. I made up a name for Kate's Xmas eve plate of salad and used the word gateau. In true french cookery it means a mound of something made to look like a cake. I sincerely apologize for any confusion it may have caused. I withdraw the comment at this time and swear upon a gateau of horse manure to never use the word again.

JMO said...

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said... 6
Trust me, it's disappointing when you have one perception of a client and then they turn around and are someone else. It does sometimes feel like a betrayal. It's something you have to sort of deal with, it does happen. I think though Tuma has enough experience to know that this happens all the time and not to take it personally.
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Right. He's an experienced attorney. I'm sure he's not taking Jon's interview or what Jon said personally. So why feel sorry for him (Tuma)?
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I don't think anyone is feeling sorry for Tuma; he did a bang up job with this case, taking on Jon as a client.

In return, Jon acts like a tasteless, out of control loser, giving an interview to a reporter where he is fowl, drunk, peeing in public, making very little sense, and acting like an ass. What attorney would say, " Gee I am so happy I stood by him, as he is a stand up guy and looking out for his kids."

The only one Jon was looking out for in the interview was himself. And he looked like a self absorbed, drunk, classless person, who could care less about his kids reading the article. Classy.

AuntieAnn said...

The Quebec french language and France's french language are not entirely the same.

Paula said...

I was given a fancy wine cork holder as a gift last Christmas. It was the beginning of a project to put together a cork wreath - something I've seen in several art classes. Does that make me a bad person with a drinking problem???

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I think wine corks and beer caps are different. Some silky wine from a tiny town in the volcanic mountains of Catania, Sicily is something you may want to remember. Your Miller from last night, not so much.

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

JMO, several people have commented that they "feel sorry" for Tuma. Just expressing my opinion to those people.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Showing him the gun was a separate incident from the bar hopping night. It was because the reporter was specifically asking about a widely publicized incident that he showed him the gun, and also because he let the reporter tag along when he bought a safe. The interview was bad enough, there is no reason to twist it into something it wasn't.

I really don't like the comment that the reporter made about Jon buying the "cheapest" gun safe. WTH? As long as it does the job and the judge approves, why not buy the cheapest one? Good grief, it is usually not necessary to buy the most expensive brand of ANYTHING, including gun safes. And I'm guessing the "cheapest" gun safe ran a pretty penny anyway. I doubt he got the 9.99 deal.

Paula said...

I rarely disagree with you Admin, but I do this time. One can keep just as drink and nasty on Wine as on beer. I never took you for a wine "snob" :). Well, I'm off for a while as I am not really into sanctimonious discussions - that's why I did not comment on any of the Duck Dynasty nonsense. Have a great New Year you all!

Bitchy Pants said...

I'm sorry, I just can't get too bent out of shape over Jon's interview. It was stupid, thoughtless, inappropriate and careless, but does it define him as a person? I don't know. If he continues to behave like this in public and in front of the media, then yes it does. If he doesn't, then I'll consider it an aberration from someone who was pushed past his breaking point by the ex from hell. I have no similar feelings about TFMJG's behavior. We've seen it on display far too often to have any doubts about whether or not it represents her true character.

PatK said...

Kate has a wine rack full of wine bottles and Jon has a bowl of bottle caps.

The end is nigh!!!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Another totally uncalled for comment from the reporter is about Jon's ruddy cheeks and that it is caused by drinking and smoking.

WTH? There are a dozen causes for ruddy cheeks other than alcohol, starting with rosacea. Not to mention the biting cold weather lately in PA. Back east I had good color to my cheeks for that very reason. Or, it could have just been the stress of the interview, a room that is too warm, etc. I think that was so uncalled for to assume that because someone is a bit flushed that means they are an alcoholic. I didn't like what Jon said, but I really can't stand this reporter.

Over In TFW's County said...

I sincerely apologize for any confusion it may have caused. I withdraw the comment at this time and swear upon a gateau of horse manure to never use the word again.

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lol, Auntie...yes, it's been discussed, the language dissected, and we've moved on from your faux pas (is that the right word), or does it have another meaning depending upon the geographical area in which it's used?

Has anyone here made Kate's chocolate gateau that she invented...the one using coffee? Sheeple were going nuts over it, not realizing that the recipe has been around for generations.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Bitchy, I'm still not convinced this isn't just an over the top hyperbole Hail Mary to drum up interest in the show airing in just DAYS. He even said in the article that he took interest in marketing his brand, etc. I can see Jon tapping his fingers together thinking "I know I'll say some over the top crap get people all worked up thinking I'm some jerk who pees in driveways then laugh all the way to the bank when ratings go through the roof." For all we know the producers were all for it, this isn't Disney. Sigh. You know to think otherwise is to realize we've really got some kind of loose canon here. This is why I never, ever want to be part of the T.V. world.

Bitchy Pants said...

Auntie Ann -- I'm sorry I upset you! I get such a kick out of your posts. You get your points across with such class and humor. I asked what I thought was an innocent question. Sorry, sorry, sorry. I'll take ten lashes with a wet gateau (but please make sure it's chocolate).

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Paula I can't remember ever disagreeing with you. :) Oh well there is a first time for everything. God speed.

PatK said...

I'm not giving Jon a pass on his exhibited behavior during the interview sessions, but I do have to wonder if the reporter was hired by Kate's camp.

It really seemed very tabloid-ish and uber opinionated.

Formerly Duped said...

I think swearing in front of one's children should be avoided too, although many good parents sometimes do! That's why the nanny who possibly said that about Kate was worried about its effect on the kids.

Jon does not seem to have a public filter ,in a different way than TFW, but he needs to work on a few things...but who doesn't.I think going on the Couples Therapy show was a big mistake.

Over In TFW's County said...

Why? I think that is a mild term for what Kate is in light of what she has done to her children and their father.

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Why? Because you have enough restraint NOT to do it in a public interview. Because you think about how your kids would feel if they found out that their father went on record calling their mother an asshole...in a public interview. The kids -- that's reason enough. She may very well be one (and more), and he very well may have been put through hell but, as a parent, you just don't do it, no matter what you may think of the mother of your kids. Period. This tit for tat back and forth public battle between these two parents is so juvenile. Neither one of them can move on. The thing is, I like Jon, and I can only imagine what he went through all those years under her control and mental dysfunction, but all he's succeeded in doing with this interview is to raise the red flags on his character...because of his behavior.He put himself out there, and as such, yes, he's going to be judged, like it or not..

"Wow, is all I have to say. Glad you aren't my "friends"."

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What? Okay, then...

URL said...

Wasn't it Jon's father that had a drinking problem? Unfortunately, it's heredity. Jon claims to be given a promotion at the restaurant, so why is he going behind the bar pouring himself drinks or for anyone else? It isn't his job. I don't care if he's on the payroll at the time when he's employed or not, it's not acceptable to be just giving away drinks and drinking when his work shift is finished. Then he's driving to other bars for additional drinks with the reporter. I can't stand TFW, but if she's drinking wine at home without driving, she's at least not putting innocent people at risk on the road. Yes, and I am aware of her speeding a few years ago, parking in fire zones, etc, but Jon's current interview and drinking and driving is too much for me.

Over In TFW's County said...

Your Miller from last night, not so much.

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lol, admin! There are times when one might not want to remember the rumspringa from last night, either!

PatK said...

Meanwhile....just where IS Kate? Insider Milo hinted she's visiting family/friends. Did Kate score a freebie vacay for herself and the kids over Christmas break? Milo just can't keep her yapper shut!

Amy2 said...

I recall somewhere along the line that Kate said she liked a Bad Boy. This was the image Jon had when they were dating. Then TLC came along and Jon cleaned up his act (e.g. no smoking on camera) so as to appeal to the masses. Jon emerged as the poor young father of 8 children trying to take care of his family.

IMO the real Jon was hidden from the public so the brand Jon could be on TV. In the interview the real Jon is coming out and its not pretty.

Carole said...

I did a google search for the writer of the Philly article. He's a young (24yr old I think), prolific freelance writer who graduated from Brown U after a pricey, private high school education. He's written for mags such as The New Republic, Politico, and now, Philly Mag. His tone is dry - he seems more suited for political pieces than lifestyle - his style just doesn't appeal to me.

I'm sure Robert is disappointed that a legit reporter finally asked for a copy of Kate's journal. How frustrating that the book only garnered a paragraph in an article about Jon and the writer ignored things like a toddler being flung into his crib by his hair and TFW's fears of losing control and hurting them and yet spanking was the worst abuse that was mentioned! I don't get it; is the media afraid to write about the abuse for fear of a slander or libel suit?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I've put out a fishbowl. Please toss your rumspringa caps in there!

They're both asshats said...

Maybe the bowl of bottle caps are from different micro-brews that he's tried.

sparkle said...

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said... 6

Right. He's an experienced attorney. I'm sure he's not taking Jon's interview or what Jon said personally. So why feel sorry for him (Tuma)?
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I agree. I think the excellent Mr. Tuma saw a total miscarriage of justice about to happen. More and more, celebrities have been (unsuccessfully, thank goodness) using our legal system to intimidate and bully private citizens. It's getting worse, anti SLAPP laws need to be enacted in every state. If I had to guess, Mr. Tuma simply stepped in to right a wrong... I don't think it was because he is a Jon fan.

I still giggle when I think of the one sheeple saying that Mr. Tuma saved Jon from a long jail sentence... hahahahahahahahahaha! It was a civil case not criminal. Jail is only a punishment in criminal cases. Also, Mr. Tuma didn't get Jon "off" of anything. Mr. Tuma completely dissected Kate's steaming turd of a case and prevented her from abusing our legal system any further. I giggle even more when I think of how the sheeps thought that Hailey's fake texts were the smoking gun and were going to prove everything!!! Jon didn't even have Verizon then. Or when they said Jon saw what Kate had on him and "caved." Whaaaat! Kate had nothing but delusional accusations and the fabrications of a pothead. Kate is the one who caved.

Formerly Duped said...

I read some of the comments on Jon's interview on a few sites. Some say he spanks the kids (or did) I never heard that before. I do think he knew TFW was physically 'punishing' them and I find that reprehensible, but I didn't think he initiated it.Or maybe Kate 'made' him do it- 'stand with me or against me.' Idk.

Sheri said...

AuntieAnn said... 22

"The Quebec french language and France's french language are not entirely the same."

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Like I mentioned, I missed the context of the conversation and I was simply confused when Bitchy Pants apologized and thought she was wrong about the word gateau. I was merely pointing out that she wasn't. No harm, no foul.

And yes, I'm aware of the differences between Parisian French and Quebecois. Though, I'm pretty sure that whether or not in Montreal or Paris, you will still be presented with a piece of cake if you ask for gateau.

:P

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

I don't get it; is the media afraid to write about the abuse for fear of a slander or libel suit?
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Kate IS a tad litigious. I'm sure reporters are aware of that.

Carole said...

Admin said...
I really don't like the comment that the reporter made about Jon buying the "cheapest" gun safe. WTH? As long as it does the job and the judge approves, why not buy the cheapest one?

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Another totally uncalled for comment from the reporter is about Jon's ruddy cheeks and that it is caused by drinking and smoking.

WTH? There are a dozen causes for ruddy cheeks other than alcohol, starting with rosacea.
... I think that was so uncalled for to assume that because someone is a bit flushed that means they are an alcoholic. I didn't like what Jon said, but I really can't stand this reporter.

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I so agree with you Admin. This writer turns me off. I can't put my finger on it but from the first paragraph to the end he seemed to be poking at and belittling the things Jon said and did.

Carole said...

I don't care if he's on the payroll at the time when he's employed or not, it's not acceptable to be just giving away drinks and drinking when his work shift is finished.

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How do we know what Jon is permitted to do at work? I don't think we should be assuming his actions are against policy when for all we know the owners encourage him to do this at his discretion. This isn't a chain restaurant with strict policies, it's a small one in a very small city with a very laid back policies, decor and environment. I think Jon messed up enough in this interview that we don't need to be looking for things to be critical of when we just don't know the background story.

White Organza said...

(21) The Quebec french language and France's french language are not entirely the same.

You're so right, Auntie Ann. Especially parisian french nowadays: they use a LOT more english words than we do, lol. I've been reading the lastest "Voici" magazine this weekend and I just can't believe all their "le glamour", les "new shoes", les "people", les "gossips", ma "life", etc., etc...
And altough I do realize this is getting old, Bitchy and Sheri are right: "gâteau" still means cake wherever you are, and it is never used for "mound". But "pâté" could, as a figure of speech...

chefsummer #Leh said...

“Everyone thinks I’m out to get Kate. I don’t give a f*ck!” Jon told the magazine, after discussing the couple's now-tossed lawsuit in which Kate alleged Jon stole her computer hard drive and hacked her email. “What would I get out of it? Everyone knows she’s an asshole, you know what I mean? I don’t have to -- she’s proven that!”
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I get what Jon is trying to say about Kate and her BS but he should have called her and a-hole.

But then again sometimes people push you to say things.

Example I was baby sitting my 3 wk old niece and she had a horrible rash the my ex-sis-in law to me about that she did.

Comes to find out after I took care of my niece & her rash my ex-sis-law was telling lies that to her family and my brother . I made her rash worse.

Need less to say I called her some choice cuss words not saying it's right but I did.

chefsummer #Leh said...

I once worked at a bar/ restaurant and as a cook I was allowed to drink. I even got free drinks after work.

Gayle said...

If it weren't for the non fans' postings Kate's twitter timeline would be dead, dead, dead. I wish they'd just give it a rest.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Restaurant workers drinking and giving out drinks is a common and acceptable practice. Part of the attraction at many places is the personalities behind the bar. Like Sur. Other places may not permit this, but it is common.

Marie said...

Please don't give one parent a pass and not the other. Jon publicly calling TFW an asshole was wrong and if TFW would have done it, you would be outraged.

Marie

Terri said...

Sure, Jon's delivery was entirely wrong in that interview especially when the kids will someday see it. But with that said he is 100% correct in that Kate is an a**hole and she has proved that herself.

Martha said...

I managed to find the Philadelphia paper article, but only 1 page: reading the comments here, there must have been more than a solitary page. In addition, I couldn't find anything re: drinking/driving/pissing. Based on my limited reading, buffered by all the sediments(sic), I do have a few rejoinders.
1. Jon told reporter he carried a locked gun, without it's bullet. I don't think this has any bearing on "the night" in question. I think it was prudent of him to take back roads @ night...less traffic.
2. Where I live, the blood alcohol reading cannot exceed .05. Ridiculous in my opinion...just a money grab for cops and the Insurer (govt. which we fund). The cops now wait just outside of pub parking lots; hence, the pubs are doing very poorly. As someone above said, we don't know how much he had, nor over how many hours. I'm sure the guy friend wouldn't have been appalled when Jon urinated! It happens all the time. Do we know if turf or cement was involved? Not that it matters...it was probably dark, and relief had to be found. No big deal.
3. As for his swearing, no big deal, either.
4. What he called TFW, was very accurate, and acceptable, IMO.
So, one night he goes on a mild bender: was anyone hurt? His kids must be very familiar with her tit(s) and his tats. He has never outed her in public before that I recall...and it's high time he did! My god, I'm so tired with her malice...I don't see any in him. He's been held prisoner, by HER, lo these many years. I cannot fault him for any of these things. He was the parent on duty, when married, and her prey when not. She STILL rules his life. I'd blow my top, too.

Anonymous said...

lol, gateau is both a cake and an expression.

franky

Mel said...

 but from the first paragraph to the end he seemed to be poking at and belittling the things Jon said and did.
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I thought the reporter was that way about both of the gosselins.

Kinda funny though when he said Jon was doing something/whatever, and might even end up with a cooking show.

I think the reporter was trying too hard to be funny and widely missed the mark.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I think the reporter was trying too hard to be funny and widely missed the mark.

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Many 24 year olds think they're just so hysterical at that age. And if he's writing for pretty major publications he probably has an ego the size of a small country. This reporter will look back on that piece in a few years and be embarrassed.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Marie, who gave Jon a pass? I see pretty universal outrage. Saying look, it's true or that he is just saying this is how everyone sees her, doesn't mean anyone gets a "pass" for saying that.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Another point, I don't know what in the world Jon is talking about that everyone thinks he is out to get Kate. I didn't think that at all. Remember all the comments on the articles about Kate's suit? They were overwhelmingly supportive of Jon. And it wasn't some core group of non-fans, these were random people from FB who aren't regulars in the Gosselin scene shocked by what they happened to read about. The comments that he was out to get Kate were so few and far between, from the six fans and like one person here, that's IT.

He was in a very good spot during this lawsuit. He was being pretty respectful and rational, and Kate was the one who looks like a tool. Kate was the one who looked like he was out to get him. Jon had most of the public and media on his side. If he couldnt' see that, I feel sorry for him. I don't understand why he would blow the good spot he had had himself in. He acts like he didn't even realize where he was just a few months ago. That is sad. What gives, why does he think that??

Anonymous said...

I tried to tweet and sent out 5 measly twits and the Khate azz kissers did something and I am suspended? I don't even know how to do much of anything and I have seen way worse than what I said. All I asked Milo was if she grifted Kate her beach house again.

Pam

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Also about the gun safes Carole, the more expensive gun safes probably are that way because the finish is a bit nicer or it looks aesthetically nicer. The implication a cheaper gun safe won't keep a gun locked up tight is just dumb. The price points more than likely have everything to do with materials and quality, not safety. They're supposed to work to lock up a gun, and I'm sure they all do or they wouldn't be on market. We have gun safes in court, and they look pretty cheap, just some kind of hard black plastic type material, very small. It's county money, of course they'll go cheap. But they do the job, and that's all that matters.

NJGal51 said...

A trigger lock can be just as acceptable as a gun safe because it does the same job.

Agree with Martha.

Rhymes with Witch said...

He was a very good spot during this lawsuit. He was being pretty respectful and rational, 63

Even though this interview was just published, it clearly took place before the lawsuit was dismissed.
Sounds like the.pressure got to Jon.

Rhymes with Witch said...

An old Hollywood great once said the same thing. Richard Attenborough said never believe your own publicity. Wise words.

I knew I was paraphrasing someone.
Thanks

The Plot Never Ends said...

I'm beginning to wonder if Jon has filed an injunction against Kate for exploiting the kids in public media. Could that be why all of a sudden she's copywriting the pics?

Rhymes with Witch said...

She STILL rules his life. 58

There's a colloquial phrase that fits here that a I won't use, but she absolutely uses those kids as leverage.

Kate IS a tad litigious.

Understatement of the decade.

Carole said...

Martha, here is a link to the full article in the Philadelphia Magazine:

http://www.phillymag.com/articles/jon-gosselin-wilderness/?all=1

http://www.phillymag.com/articles/jon-gosselin-wilderness/?all=1

Jumping In said...

Would there be any point in Jon making an apology over this? At the very least he should address his drinking and driving and pledge to never to it again. Using profanities to describe the mother of his children also warrants an apology. I know his feelings are genuine, but expressing them in such tawdry way shows me he is not thinking about the repercussions this interview will have on his children and his own reputation.

I have always compared Jon's behaviour to Kate's, and in that case, Jon's decency always won out, that, and of course his obvious love for his children. This interview put a white light on his immaturity, his lack of long-term thinking about the fall-out and consequences of his words and actions.

Jon has every right to be angry at TFW, and to express his feelings if he must, but not this way. He knows better and he should take a long, hard look at himself in the mirror and hopefully not see his "brand" staring back at him.

IMO, they both need therapy to work through what fame has done to them, and how it is affecting their children. That is what mature parents would do, put their hatred of one another aside to give their kids the best shot at gaining stability. I'm not holding my breath.

Kelly said...

Okay, so here's what I think is going on. Jon is doing whatever he thinks it'll take to get back into the spotlight. He's gone back to the regular joe with the regular joe wage and realizes he cannot support himself and his kids on it. I do not give him a pass for calling her an Asshole even though she's a prime one in my opinion, but I think he's desperate. Nor is the drinking and driving even remotely cool, but unless he had a breathalizer, I don't feel comfortable condemning him for it. And..I'm going to give him a pass on trying to get back into the spotlight so long as he does not include the kids, which I don't think he would but I'm not sure. If I remember correctly he was tricked into the six pack? So if that's the case, he gets a little pass while the Master Manipulator Puppet Master aka TFW does not, since she deliberately created this.

I've been gone for awhile but have missed you guys! We lost our second pup last month (that makes two since March) and I've taken it pretty hard. Not as hard as when my bully died because that was unexpected, but my tiny poodle mix was seventeen years old and ready to go. Also if there are any nursing students here, when/if your instructors tell you to NOT answer your phone unless you want to work - listen to them! It's amazing how many people get ill right around Christmas (eyes rolling).

Carole said...

I thought the reporter was that way about both of the gosselins.

Kinda funny though when he said Jon was doing something/whatever, and might even end up with a cooking show.

I think the reporter was trying too hard to be funny and widely missed the mark.

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Mel, I mentioned Jon because I happened to be thinking about him at the time and the bulk of the article was about him, but you're right, the writer was pretty equal in his treatment of both.

As for the gun safe, I tend to think the family court judge might have just been appeasing TFW in ordering Jon get the safe since he already has a lock for it.

Kate is a twit said...

Am I happy about Jon's interview? No, but I think Jon got to the point where he just had enough. The lawsuit, the Kate interviews where she says she has pity for Jon, her constantly throwing him under the bus to present herself as the better parent.

We may all be disappointed in Jon for that interview, but you know what, I doubt he cares what we or anyone else thinks about him. If anything, he told it like it is and that's his reality. Who knows what Kate has said to the children about him and what they have told him? Just because she doesn't say it publicly, doesn't mean that she doesn't trash him all the time to them. I'm sure the kids are well aware of the animosity that exists between their parents. Jon at least had the balls to say it, where as Kate acts like she's above all that. I'm sure there are a lot of things she has said to the children about their father that we'll never know. Just because she doesn't say it in public, doesn't mean that she hasn't said it to her children.

I'm not defending Jon's interview. Yes, in the public's eye it was unwise. But I doubt Jon really cares what the public thinks about him. IMO, he's mad at Kate because she can't stop using their children in her pursuit of fame and he's being honest in saying so. Sure he could have said it in a better way, but a least he's not sugar-coating how he really feels.








Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Jon himself stated that both his father and grandfather were alcoholics. It IS hereditary, and that being the case it's probably safest if he's not drinking at all. That means not working a bar, not even having one beer, getting rid of the fishbowl of bottle caps, getting out an industry heavily based on alcohol sales, and certainly never getting behind the wheel when drinking even if you're not drunk.

NJGal51 said...

Kelly - I'm so sorry to hear about your pup's passing. I remember when your bully passed. Very sad to lose our babies.

What About His "Brand?" said...

I'm not defending Jon's interview. Yes, in the public's eye it was unwise. But I doubt Jon really cares what the public thinks about him.
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Clearly, he does care about what the public thinks of him since he talked about his "brand." If you think of yourself as a brand, you in turn care about what the public thinks of you.

AuntieAnn said...

Bitchy Pants said... 33

Auntie Ann -- I'm sorry I upset you! I get such a kick out of your posts. You get your points across with such class and humor. I asked what I thought was an innocent question. Sorry, sorry, sorry. I'll take ten lashes with a wet gateau (but please make sure it's chocolate)

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Bitchy - no apology necessary! lol! I was just having fun with Kate's plate. Don't worry, I haven't left in a huff of righteous indignation yet and am not about to. I promise I will bake you a mile high chocolate CAKE to show how un-angry I am :o)

Right now I'm just so completely absorbed in this darn BB marathon, I haven't stopped to comment. I can't believe I missed this the first time around.

Anonymous said...

My concern remains with the eight children. Just imagine the comments they will likely face when they return to school after the holiday break. What chance do they have as "products" of this dysfunctional couple who haven't learned to grow up and behave like responsible parents?

bm

JoyinVirginia said...

Duck dynasty dust up: Phil quoted saying things he has been saying for years. Phil ”suspended” but A&E network already had most of next season shows filmed and ready to go. Duck Dynasty headlines, quotes, articles, now All Is Forgiven between A&E and the Robertsons. Sounds like a PR campaign carefully orchestrated. esp since there were Duck Dynasty marathons during the holidays.
Article about Jon Behaving Badly. While ads for Couples Therapy, which starts next week, are running. Hmmmm. Sounds like carefully orchestrated marketing/ PR to me. People don't watch Couples Therapy to see couples having rational conversations, they watch to see the next trainwreck fight!
i'm particularly cynical after all the Duck Dynasty maneuvering, announcements, press releases, gossip articles, etc.
And after going to after Christmas sales and still seeing DD merchandise everywhere! Bandaids, dog treats, welcome mats, bedroom slippers, greeting cards, tee shirts, books, cookbooks, more! I an x firmly convinced the entire dust up was orchestrated for publicity and sales.

Sheri said...

Anonymous said...(59)

"lol, gateau is both a cake and an expression.

franky"

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See, I didn't know that. Being on "this" side of the border, I've never heard the word used as an expression, only as the noun.

That's why this blog rocks, always an opportunity to learn something.

angie said...

I read Jon's article. I personally don't see anything wrong with it.
Heck, he is telling the TRUTH for once, and in his own words. Who hasn't said the 'f' word, or asshole for that matter about an ex? gee, we all have our moments, LOL.
as far as the kids reading it, gee, mom of the year says her kids don't see that sort of stuff. lolol
whatever he said, he spoke the truth. And you have to be honest. As far as him slamming wos, she deserves worse than what he said....she's let her minions spout off about his lack of 'size;.....so why shouldn't she be on the receiving end of a little bit of it as well?

Jon isn't perfect. He married a total bitch. I think she married him for money and position. she used him for multiples. she used him for the show, on and on she went...she is still using him- saying she does it all alone, blah blah, no child support, she questions his motives, blah blah...
it's about time Jon threw a little bit back at her.
a person can only take so much.

he may have his faults, but he is still the better person and the better person....pissing on the driveway or cussing a blue streak....(and gee, isn't ol saint shrew drinking and smoking herself? hanging on a married man?? etc?

AuntieAnn said...

JoyinVirginia said... 81

And after going to after Christmas sales and still seeing DD merchandise everywhere! Bandaids, dog treats, welcome mats, bedroom slippers, greeting cards, tee shirts, books, cookbooks, more! I an x firmly convinced the entire dust up was orchestrated for publicity and sales.

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Those products are in every store up here too. I'm curious to know what kind of person decorates their house in a DD motif.

Formerly Duped said...

Kelly: So sorry about your puppy. I'm sure you're missing the little one greatly.

PatK said...

Hey, Robert? If you read here, are you re-releasing that book or not? Did you cave and sign some sort of agreement with Kate that you'd leave it all alone?

Come on. What gives?

Unknown said...

My goodness! Gone a couple of days, and look what I've missed. I've not read everyone's comments, but after reading the article, I'm going to give my first thoughts. After I've read everyone, I may change my mind.

In my opinion, everything Jon said is the truth, and most of us have said/thought the same things on this blog that he said in the article.

His language was coarse, and from my past experience on this blog, I've learned that many people are offended by profanity. Since profanity is my second language I wasn't offended when reading Jon's words, but I knew that many (maybe most?) would be. I was shaking my head while reading it, knowing what the overall reaction would be.

I'm not quite sure why on earth Jon was so open, profane, and openly drinking and driving when with a reporter of all people! Somewhere in the back of my mind, I'm thinking this interview is somehow linked to the Couples Therapy thing he and Liz did. I've not ever watched that show, but I wonder if there is bad language, drinking and sarcastic/hateful comments/behavior involved in the show.

Was Jon somehow in that 'therapy behavior' when talking to the reporter? The article wasn't all that 'spontaneous' at all...the posed photo w/broken televisions littered around...the credits given for what he was wearing and so on. Something about that just leads me to think that the tone of the reporter's (in my opinion...snotty) questions and Jon so uncharacteristically profane and open about drinking is linked to the upcoming reality show he and Liz are going to be a part of. How many people who read the article/interview will now watch the Couples Therapy show involving Jon and Liz...people who would have otherwise not even known about the upcoming show, much less plan to watch it?

Having said all that, I still think that Jon should have known better. Period. After all these years, his image with the public was really improving after TFMJG filed and then dropped the lawsuit against him. Then he does this! I'm disappointed that he jumped right from the frying pan into the fire once again.

Off to read what everyone else has to say, and see if my first impression continues!


JoyinVirginia said...

Here is a reason why someone might have a bowl full of bottle caps: www.beachhousebottlecapart.com
Beach House bottlecap art. I have seen this guy at some craft shows, he makes very attractive crafts.

Math Girl said...

With regards to Tuma, I agree with Tweet-le De. He was very interested in the issues of the lawsuit. I think that he was especially concerned with the bad precedent that would be set if K. won it though some fluke (Jon having bad representation, the judge being unfamiliar with that particular law and issues, etc.). That doesn't mean that he was particularly supportive of Jon as a person or interested in the whole Jon and Kate saga.

We on this blog were very happy that he came riding in on his white charger to save Jon from Kate, but I doubt if that's how he saw himself.

Just my opinion.

Rhymes with Witch said...

KIAT 75, Joy 79 and Remona 87 -

Well said.

Berks Neighbor said...

What needs to be reminded when looking at the article: The interview was done in the middle of the lawsuit by TFW. This article seemed to be shelved for such a purpose as this. (to promote Jon's appearance on Celeb Rehab).

I wish I could say what I know but suffice to say, TFW is a b*tch. The h*ll she put(s) Jon through just so he can see his kids is absurd. Someday I will have to share with Admin what I have witnessed...I'm just not ready to give up my anonymity at the moment. Jon was crass - yes, but he also said aloud what many of us have thought about more than once when TFW's name comes into the fray.

Rhymes with Witch said...

With regards to Tuma, I agree with Tweet-le De. He was very interested in the issues of the lawsuit. 89

I agree, Tuma's interest was in the legal issues, not Jon as a person.

sparkle said...

Here's my .02 regarding the reporter's comment "if you consider spanking abuse." The spanking Kate wrote about in her journal almost exclusively resulted from Kate's frustration and anger that the kids would not stay quietly in their rooms for 4 hours a day. 2 yr olds are physically and mentally not capable of sitting in a crib and not moving for 2 or more hours after waking up. Kate made them do this day after day, then had the gall to be angry when they climbed out, stripped and played with diaper contents. So yes, Mr. Simon, I would call her behavior abuse. Spanking kids for not being able to control bodily functions is right up there as well.

Midnight Madness said...

As far as him slamming wos, she deserves worse than what he said....she's let her minions spout off about his lack of 'size;.....so why shouldn't she be on the receiving end of a little bit of it as well?

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Because of the kids, and what effect it would have on them if they hear that their father called their mother an a**hole in an interview that can be read by anyone. Whether she deserves it or not, and even if he's giving it back to her because of all the times she threw him under the bus, sometimes you just have to take the high road, knowing that there are innocent children involved in the whole mess. You learn to zip it, and in the long run, those kids are going to think so much more of you because you kept your thoughts and words to yourself, as difficult as that might be..

T said...

Sigh.....Despite my hopes that he will get his sh$t together for the sake of his children, Jon disappoints yet again. Let's be honest here folks: Jon may very well be a nice guy, and even perhaps the better of the two parents, but he isn't the sharpest tool in the shed. I am not saying that he is unintelligent, however he continues to display either stupidity and a lack of street smarts, or an astounding amount of naiveté. This is not someone new to dealing with media, (and I believe did have some media training with TLC), so he should have been more than aware that bar hopping with a reporter was not the best venue to discuss his "brand". I don't understand why he continues to repeat his mistakes, and frankly at 36 years old, a "lack of maturity" is hardly an excuse. For someone that has been maligned by the media in the past, one would think he would be more alert to the perils of misinterpretation.

The smoking also bothers me greatly. I know that this may not be a popular view, and I fear it may upset some smokers here, but I simply think that this is a very selfish habit for a parent to have. I realize that it's an addiction and it's very difficult to quit, but I simply do not understand why you would engage in a habit that KILLS 1/3 of the people who do it , and irrefutably harms the health of many more. Also, it's expensive. Think if the money he could say for therapy (for ALL of them).

Georgia Peach said...

I wish I could say what I know but suffice to say, TFW is a b*tch. The h*ll she put(s) Jon through just so he can see his kids is absurd. 91

Hmm, I think that phrase that Rhymes did not use includes the words short and curley

Unknown said...

Stacking my responses as I read...
LeeLee said... 105
''.....Maybe too many drinks, maybe his friendship with Robert has him thinking all reporters are his pals. He was being honest, I think, but he should be guarded too. He stood up for his kids, by shooing the reporter out of his house, but then is his own worst enemy by letting it all hang out (figuratively and literally). This one is a fail, I'm afraid.''
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Exactly!
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Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 115
''...As much as we talk about the dangers of reality shows damaging the children I really think that for these two particular adults, fame and this reality show really stunted them as well and I don't see that either of them has grown all that much. Just when you think Jon gets it he reverts back and does something stupid again. It's like they can't help themselves.''
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I agree. I wonder if TFW's behind the scenes poking at him is the thing that keeps Jon stuck in the loop of anger at her? Over and over he seems to finally have his mind in the 'right' place, and then suddenly he is right back in a situation of being as stuck on stupid as TFMJG!!
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capecodmama said... 127
''....I read the comments and someone said there was a warrant out for Al's arrest. Don't know if that's true.''
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I also noticed that little tidbit!!
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Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 147
''I hate to say conspiracy theory but over the top (to the point of not being credible) controversial interview just days before Celebrity Rehab? What, now everyone will tune in next week and see what's with this guy? If this is true, who is okay with being used like that?? It's nuts!''
''......This was obviously building in Jon. What we don't get to see is everything Kate has said and done to him that's pushed him to this point since she's smart enough not to do it in front of a reporter.''
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AHA! I see I'm NOT the only one that thinks the ''over the top'' interview is connected w/Couples Therapy, and wondering what TFMJG has been poking at him behind the scenes that caused him to just no longer care what he says publicly!
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Carole said... 2
''Rehab because he had 3 drinks with a reporter and there are beer bottle caps in a dish on his deck (been there for how long)? IDK if Jon has a drinking problem or not, but I can't assume that he does because of one article.''
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I agree, Carole. Three drinks and he needs rehab? I think not!
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OK....all caught up, and ending with a quote from:
Berks Neighbor said... 91
''What needs to be reminded when looking at the article: The interview was done in the middle of the lawsuit by TFW. This article seemed to be shelved for such a purpose as this. (to promote Jon's appearance on Celeb Rehab).

I wish I could say what I know but suffice to say, TFW is a b*tch. The h*ll she put(s) Jon through just so he can see his kids is absurd. Someday I will have to share with Admin what I have witnessed...I'm just not ready to give up my anonymity at the moment. Jon was crass - yes, but he also said aloud what many of us have thought about more than once when TFW's name comes into the fray.''
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Berks Neighbor, I really appreciate hearing from someone that has first hand knowledge of what is going on. My instinct that tells me TFW is more horrid than most people will ever know is confirmed by your comment. Thank you!!


Lalalalala said...

Kelly, I'm so sorry to hear about your pup. Our animals are our family and it's so hard and devastating to lose one. I'm sending you a big hug.
On the Jon interview. I don't fault him one bit. What little, tiny bit we have been privy to, you can just imagine the hell he's been going through with that bitch of an ex-wife. We don't even know the half of it. That includes the ten years of torture he went through being married to her. Peeing in the yard?? So what, who cares. I live in the country and everyone I know (men) pees in the yard. They do it because they can. Truth be known, I wish I had something to whip out to relieve myself. I'd be the biggest abuser of that little attachment. Or big attachment...LOL.
Anyway, I'm looking forward to watching Jon on the show coming up. I'm going to hold judgement on him until I see it. I'm sure we'll find out just some of the struggle he's been going through.
As far as protecting the children? Kate has been slowly destroying them since they've been born. She's a ridiculous excuse for a mother and,,yes..an asshole and I'm being too kind with that statement.

Melissa NV said...

Paula, 17, said:

This man has been through hell and back and back to hell again at the hands of TLC and his ex-wife because he saw what "reality" tv was doing to his children and wanted them off and you all want to judge him? Wow, is all I have to say. Glad you aren't my "friends".

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Gosh, today I was thinking that, although many of us have a difference of opinion on so many subjects, there are quite a few people here I'd be happy to call "friends" even though our opinions are so varied. It's what makes the world go around.

I'd love to sit down with Auntie and hoist a few. I bet she'd have us rolling on the floor and we wouldn't care who was looking. Admin, too, even if she is a wine snob :-). We'd start a collection of wine corks, and beer and Rumspringa caps!

Greedy Gosselins said...

So if this is how Jon 'behaves' when in the company of a reporter, how does he 'behave' when he's alone and no one is watching?

There's NO excuse for acting the way Jon did. I don't care what Kate did or didn't do to him. Some father figure. Modelling impaired driving for his soon-to-be driving teen daughters.

He disgusts me as much as Kate does.

Rhymes with Witch said...

I'm being too kind with that statement. 98

I wholeheartedly agree.

Melissa NV said...

I wish I could say what I know but suffice to say, TFW is a b*tch. The h*ll she put(s) Jon through just so he can see his kids is absurd. Someday I will have to share with Admin what I have witnessed...I'm just not ready to give up my anonymity at the moment. Jon was crass - yes, but he also said aloud what many of us have thought about more than once when TFW's name comes into the fray.''
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Berks Neighbor, I really appreciate hearing from someone that has first hand knowledge of what is going on. My instinct that tells me TFW is more horrid than most people will ever know is confirmed by your comment. Thank you!!

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But. but .but...how can that be? Milo insists that everyone who meets Kate just loves her. She is a saint, an angel on earth, the personification of all things wise, wonderful and beautiful...inside and outside. Why would anyone say that she's the "b" word?

lukebandit said...

I feel bad for the kids when they go back to school because of possible taunting from this article. kate has slowly destroyed those kids from the second they were born, her master plan went into effect. I just wish Jon would of said about not caring about kate that I only care about my kids and not called her the name. He could of said that he was tired of her being so vindictive, harassing, whatever she is doing. Not telling him that she was going to put the kids on CWS.

Also, he needs counseling for AA. They are free. A lot of people have said on this blog for years that this was not going to turn out good. Since what came out in that interview, that statement is valid. And I hope and pray that for the kids sake it does not.

KJV Proverbs 21:23 - Whoso keepeth his mouth and his tongue keepeth his soul from troubles.

KJV Colossians 4:6 - Let your speech [be] alway with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

If you think of yourself as a brand, you in turn care about what the public thinks of you.

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True, but if you think your brand is best served by being controversial in the hope and belief it will bring in ratings, he may have outright intended to ruffle some feathers. For all we know he is laughing all the way to the bank. It would be fine if it were just two adults fighting in the media or manipulating their brands in the media. Whatever. I don't have to watch. The problem is as has been said so many times before, there are eight kids too, and I think that's why people get so upset. Otherwise who cares what two jokers want to do?

I am as cynical as Joy about the Duck controversy (it ended WAY too quickly and now it's all back to normal....suuuuree) and I'm cynical about this little dust up too.

rainbowsandunicorns said...

So if this is how Jon 'behaves' when in the company of a reporter, how does he 'behave' when he's alone and no one is watching?

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I guess there's no way to know what he does because he's alone and nobody is watching! Kind of like ""If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?" Can we make the assumption that if we don't observe something happening, the function is the same as if we did see it happening? Does it really matter?

This eggnog certainly has a kick to it...

rainbowsandunicorns said...

Also, he needs counseling for AA.

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Jon had some drinks with a reporter, and he's an alcoholic? That's stretching it a bit, isn't it?

chefsummer #Leh said...

Because of the kids, and what effect it would have on them if they hear that their father called their mother an a**hole in an interview that can be read by anyone.
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But Kate doesn't let them read anything she hasn't censored remember?

How about her calling their father mediocre cause he had a normal 9to5 or mom talking about the girls bras & aunt flows?

Not to mention the abuse she wrote about and never ever denied doing. Jon may have to explain calling mom and a-hole but she'll have to explain her actions as well.

chefsummer #Leh said...

rainbowsandunicorns said... 106
Also, he needs counseling for AA.

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Let's not forget KK made drinks with Jamie in front of her twins and she got blasted on TV should she go to AA as well?

As also has empty wine bottles in her bedroom-(via twitter)

JoyinVirginia said...

OT Christmas night we went to the movies and saw American Hustle. It was very entertaining, a really fun movie, with terrific performances and quirky characters. Jennifer Lawrence steals every scene she is in. you will not think of her as Katniss after seeing this movie! And Christian Bale, you will have trouble imagining that this actor was Batman. Its a fun story with lots of twists and turns. And the cast! Bradley Cooper,.Louis C.K, Amy Adams, Robert DeNiro, Jeremy Renner, more! Everyone is fabulous and fun to watch!
Also we saw Saving Mr Banks before Christmas, also very entertaining movie. Emma Thompson and Tom Hanks are both fantastic, supporting cast is great, view into creative process is fascinating, the back story of P.L. Travers who wrote Mary Poppins is sad but illuminating. The movie is not overly sentimental.
Both movies are highly recommended.

localyocul said...

Berks Neighbor said... 91
What needs to be reminded when looking at the article: The interview was done in the middle of the lawsuit by TFW. This article seemed to be shelved for such a purpose as this. (to promote Jon's appearance on Celeb Rehab).

I wish I could say what I know but suffice to say, TFW is a b*tch. The h*ll she put(s) Jon through just so he can see his kids is absurd. Someday I will have to share with Admin what I have witnessed...I'm just not ready to give up my anonymity at the moment. Jon was crass - yes, but he also said aloud what many of us have thought about more than once when TFW's name comes into the fray.

(((((

I look forward to that day. I got the feeling you or someone else local had kids at TFWs school. Don't answer that but I really would like to hear first hand accounts.

Greedy Gosselins said...

Can we make the assumption that if we don't observe something happening, the function is the same as if we did see it happening? Does it really matter?


We don't see a lot of what Kate reports on twitter but it seems to matter to a whole bunch of people.

I'm just saying I hope no one lowers their standards just to excuse Jon.
My ex husband is the devil but I certainly don't invite people over, especially reporters, to tell them that. My son would be crushed. He'll learn about his dad when he's old enough to understand.

It's the drinking and driving that gets me. That, along with speeding, are completely, 100% inexcusable, to me, anyway. Jon has 8 kids watching him. What does this teach them? They're certainly not learning anything from their mother. *sigh* The whole situation is so disappointing.

And just because a man HAS an easier way to urinate, doesn't mean he SHOULD. Especially on a 'friend's' driveway. WTH?

Gail said...

Jon had some drinks with a reporter, and he's an alcoholic? That's stretching it a bit, isn't it?
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I don't think so. Doing shots at the age of 36 and the father of 8 children is not the impression most men want to give. Also, Jon's not smart enough to do this on purpose. That, to ME, is stretching it.

This interview showed us who Jon really is. Like someone else said above, it is not pretty and certainly not good father behaviour.

url/URL said...

chef, as much as I appreciate your opinion, just because Kate does something wrong does not mean Jon is allowed to as well.

Anyone would look like a good parent next to Kate. I tire of the 'well Kate did THIS and Kate did THAT'. Yes, we all know. She's a terrible mother.

But Jon isn't the greatest father either. Take Kate out of the equation for once.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Jon's not smart enough to do this on purpose.

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I think HE thinks he's smart enough to pull off some kind of about face bad boy controversial interview. With all due respect to him, whatever he was doing, it was a cluster-F.

localyocul said...

url/URL said... 111

Anyone would look like a good parent next to Kate. I tire of the 'well Kate did THIS and Kate did THAT'. Yes, we all know. She's a terrible mother.

But Jon isn't the greatest father either. Take Kate out of the equation for once.

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I agree

rainbowsandunicorns said...

rainbowsandunicorns said... 106
Also, he needs counseling for AA.

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Chef, I didn't say that he needs counseling for AA. That was another poster.

Gail said...

With all due respect to him, whatever he was doing, it was a cluster-F.
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You got that right. And this is just the beginning. Wait 'til Couples Therapy airs. I have a feeling the behaviour we're seeing from Jon in this article is just the tip of the iceberg. Poor kids.

Sherry Baby said...

"But Jon isn't the greatest father either."
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How does anyone know that, unless they are with him and the kids? Does anyone here actually see him with his kids, know what he does for them, how he parents, where he goes with them, what life skills he teaches them, or how much time he spends with them on an individual basis? What makes a "great" father?

chefsummer #Leh said...

rainbowsandunicorns said... 115

I thought I was responding to that poster -)

Laurie said...

How to be a good dad in one easy step. Shut up. Stop giving interviews. The dude says he wants a private life but won't keep his trap closed.

angie said...

Whatever Jon said in ONE article can never be more than the YEARS of couch interviews of that bitch throwing him under the bus. She deserves a little sh*& flung on her for once.
And the biotch SUED the kid's father....I think that's WORSE than him calling her an asshole.

PatK said...

Gail said... 111


Doing shots at the age of 36 and the father of 8 children is not the impression most men want to give.


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Just wow. Seriously? He shouldn't be allowed to slam back a few now and then because he has EIGHT KIDS??

Gail said...

She deserves a little sh*& flung on her for once.
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Even at the expense of the kids? I agree that the lawsuit of hers was terrible but that still does not give Jon a free pass.

Like someone said above, take Kate out of the equation.

Unknown said...

Oh good grief! Jon gives an interview where he actually says fuck instead of f&&k or asshole instead of a$$h**le the way those on this blog do, and he is horrible!

He has three drinks with a reporter and he is the worst father ever who needs to be in AA or Rehab?

Jon pees in the dirt and he is disgusting? Well, so am I and my children and grandchildren, both male and female who grew up in the country and peed on the side of the road! Go right ahead on and tell me how disgusting I am, what a terrible mother I am to have allowed that to happen. I have thick skin...I can take it!

I've not seen anyone on this blog saying that he was lying about TFW or her behavior. In fact, one person who DOES know has said it's worse than we think.

For whatever reason, Jon said exactly what he was thinking at the time to a snotty reporter. Most of us think that was a bad move, but all these melodramatic comments are stomping all over my very last nerve! I believe that Jon isn't the only one that needs to just grow up.

creative user name said...

And this was Jon's 'professional' behaviour. What a joke.

No. He shouldn't be doing shots while being interviewed. Neither should he be driving afterwards. Really?

Makes one wonder if the non fans just can't bear to agree with Kate's fans. Jon's an idiot. At least we all agree on something! :)

Serendipity said...

She deserves a little sh*& flung on her for once.
And the biotch SUED the kid's father....I think that's WORSE than him calling her an asshole.

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Sure she does, but not at the expense of the kids, who are going to find out that their dad called their mother an A-hole. Thank goodness for winter break right now, and perhaps they are on vacation and all of this will blow over by the time they get back to school.

I think that all this did was to give her ammunition against Jon -- telling the kids, see how nasty your father is, calling your mother such a name, disrespect, etc. etc. He opened up a whole can of worms to let her continue to poison their minds against him. This is the icing on the cake for her, and quite possibly she's smiling because of it. She's looking like the victim of his wrath and wild tirades.

No matter how much she "deserves" this flung against her, you really do have to think about the children. If it weren't for them, then let the two adults sling it as hard and far as they want. Let them behave like two immature people who are hell bent on name-calling and flinging whatever they want. But somewhere in all of this are children who most likely love both parents, and what is this public sparring doing to them? You just have to keep your fingers crossed and hope that they emerge from all of this without too much emotional scarring.

PatK said...

angie said... 121
Whatever Jon said in ONE article can never be more than the YEARS of couch interviews of that bitch throwing him under the bus. She deserves a little sh*& flung on her for once.
And the biotch SUED the kid's father....I think that's WORSE than him calling her an asshole.

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Amen!

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Remona Blue said... 124

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I'm giving you a standing ovation, Remona!



getofftwitter said...

I have to disagree, with the comment here, that Jon is 35-36 and too old to drink or do shots. I know plenty of over 30 but under 42 who party like their still in their 20's. Some are married, divorced, & single. I have wonderful neighbors, who are at least 10 or more years younger than me, and they all hang out in one of the garages and drink(whatever) on weekends. Years ago was with a group of women, in which I was the oldest at 45(always the driver, and not a drinker), and they ranged in age 35-42, they party, and drink, and drink. So what Jon is doing is very normal. My neice is in her 30's and she & hubby, go out with friends and go to bars, with friends who have kids(kids stay home). This is the new norm for 30 somethings. When I was in my 30's, most of my friends, married or not went to hang out at bars, and party. They were not alcoholics either. Neither was I then or now(I'm lucky to have a half a glass of wine these days). So saying, Jon should grow up, and not go to have shots or drink, is wrong, this is what 30-40 somethings are doing these days, not everyone, but a lot do. .

Rhymes with Witch said...

He didn't grow up im the 'country' either. 129

You know this how?
And I grew up in the City but spent summers in the country and 'peed in the woods.'
Still would if necessary. If I'm disgusting, so be it.

getofftwitter said...

This whole thing people seem to have about Jon calling Kate an a-hole, is probably nothing new to the 8. None of us are around or live in that household to know what Kate says about their father, to those kids. For all we know Kate, probably has slipped many times calling Jon an a-hole(for all we know) and vice-versa. Plus the kids, have heard it on the playground as well. Jon let it slip in public, and one day Kate will slip as well. I'm sure the kids know mom is and acts like an a-hole from time to time, it's probably nothing new to them. Kids learn and know a lot more than they are given credit for. Plus the 8 had the people from TLC, who are mostly adult or are all adults, and probably heard more swearing in their short lives, than most of us did growing up. I'm sure those kids, are very aware, and know a lot of what is going on in both households, and how their parents react to everything. Just cause they are kids, does not mean they are stupid, they learn the ropes real quick.

TLC stinks said...

Look, Jon is coarse but a likable person. He is normal compared to Kate. I don't think he should have said or behaved the way he did with a reporter. But, he has never been mature, IMO, or classy. He is a fairly young guy who still likes to party and has a big image if himself. Kate is no better but worse because she has psycho issues. Anyway my point is, Jon and Kate are both immature, not classy, spoiled by success and haven't moved on. No telling how the kids will turn out but I expect a few will not turn out well just like in any dysfunctional family.

Sleepless In Seattle said...

I have to disagree, with the comment here, that Jon is 35-36 and too old to drink or do shots. I know plenty of over 30 but under 42 who party like their still in their 20's.

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Perhaps it depends on where you live, or who you hang out with because none of my friends party like they are in their 20s. It's not the norm for them. They've grown up and moved on from the bar scene of drinking and drinking and drinking and bar hopping or having frat-like parties in the garage. What's "normal" for some may not be normal for others, regardless of their ages.

That is not to say that just because Jon has children he should not be allowed to enjoy a social drink now and then. If it became a daily or weekend occurrence in a garage, then I'd be concerned, especially since he has admitted that alcoholism runs in his family.

NJGal51 said...

I've been married to the same man for 37 years and must admit that I've called him an asshole a time or two. Like I said earlier, I don't think that the world is going to end because Jon curses. Lukebandit to say he needs AA because of one article is a bit of a reach. I am not excusing him but I can't muster the outrage that some seem to have because of this. This isn't the first time he's screwed up and probably won't be the last. As long as the kids know that he loves them all will be well.

Anonymous said...

Remona Blue said... 124
Jon pees in the dirt and he is disgusting?
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I have peed on the side of the road out in the middle of nowhere. The disgusting thing here, imo, was the that he peed on someone's concrete driveway.

Carmen

Dee said...

they ranged in age 35-42, they party, and drink, and drink

There's names for people like that. lol

Paper Plates Forever! Yay! said...

TLC stinks said... 131
No telling how the kids will turn out but I expect a few will not turn out well just like in any dysfunctional family.

And it will be the ones you would least expect....

chefsummer #Leh said...

Like someone said above, take Kate out of the equation.
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How can she be taken out of it?

chefsummer #Leh said...

IMO Kate&Jon both need a big cup of STUF along time ago but that isn't going to happen for some reason.

Greedy Gosselins said...

Just cause they are kids, does not mean they are stupid, they learn the ropes real quick.
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They shouldn't have to, I think, is the point. With parents like these, however, they are growing up rather quickly. :(

Meagler said...

Remona.... IMO there is nothing wrong with what Jon did... (Well I have no tolerance for drinking and driving) I just think it wasnt the wisest thing to do at this time in his life with a reporter in tow. But its his life, and not knowing what he has gone through, perhaps this was what he wanted to portray out to the people who follow this stuff. Fed up, done with her and her antics. Like some said, pissed at the whole lawsuit. He didnt have his kids with him, so he was not putting any of them at risk.

As for TFW... this time last year she disappearred and then tweeted about being with family and friends. Then she asked about yogurt starter for her french yogurt maker. I asked her if she was able to use it with the European plug in and she said she had a French Receptacle put in...ha ha...

I then made a couple of tweets about taking the kids to Paris and how awesome that was, as it was on the kids bucket list. She blocked me. BV made a few disparaging words to me, and then blocked me also. Ha ha..good times. She rattles easy!

Wonder what hole she will dig for herself this year?

AuntieAnn said...

I understand Jon's frustration with his ex. He's right. The woman is narcissistic, greedy, money-grubbing, no-talent, useless grifter who can't make a dime on her own. She exploits her kids in any way she can be it twitter, her website, a talk show, a cook book or a stupid wife swap show she had no business to be on. She uses anyone who crosses her path to her own advantage. Established.

I just don't think he needed to say what he did about her in an interview because anyone who knows Kate already knows what she is. He was doing so well keeping his mouth shut and then bam.

They both act like a couple of teenagers who just broke up from a 'steady' and they really should stop with this airing their dislike for one another publicly. They are doing their kids no favors. What happened to the vow they took about only wanting the best for them. The best includes wise parenting.

Rhymes with Witch said...

One more thing. Given the the author's attitude, (is spanking child abuse? ) I find it difficult to believe the veracity of other things he said in the article.

And no, I am not disputing Jon's dropping the f bomb or his a$$ho comment.

Rhymes with Witch said...

The disgusting thing here, imo, was the that he peed on someone's concrete driveway. 134

I missed the concre

PatK said...

I hope it wasn't NEW concrete he peed on. That would just be tacky.

PatK said...

MsGoody2Shoes21‏@msgoody2shoes214m
Get Jon's money @Kateplusmy8 from his MTV show.

GET....
THE....
$$$$$$!!


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I expect this one to go on quite the rant now. And someone please clue her in to it being VH1, not MTV.

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

The disgusting thing here, imo, was the that he peed on someone's concrete driveway. 134

I missed the concre

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The reporter says it was an "unpaved" driveway, so no concrete was defaced, stained, or otherwise damaged during this incident.

Unknown said...

Meagler said... 140
''Remona.... IMO there is nothing wrong with what Jon did... (Well I have no tolerance for drinking and driving) I just think it wasnt the wisest thing to do at this time in his life with a reporter in tow. But its his life, and not knowing what he has gone through, perhaps this was what he wanted to portray out to the people who follow this stuff. Fed up, done with her and her antics. Like some said, pissed at the whole lawsuit. He didnt have his kids with him, so he was not putting any of them at risk.''
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Thank you! I will once again agree that Jon should have been more guarded around a reporter. I totally agree that Jon did NOT have his children with him, was not putting any of them at risk, and would NOT allow the reporter to ask him about his children.

I have said more than once since I read the article that Jon should NOT have said what he said to a reporter. My comment was about the melodramatic responses here.

Jon was profane. When Admin says that his remarks were ''Cluster F'' does anyone really REALLY read that quote as Cluster F, or do they read it as Cluster Fuck? Does anyone at all see my point? We accept the *&)% as ok, but some come totally unglued because Jon said the actual word.

Jon peed in front of a reporter. So what? I can't believe that anyone actually thinks it is worse to pee on concrete in a driveway than to pee on the side of the road in the dirt. If so, that person would be clutching their pearls and having the vapors if they were with MY family when we stop on the side of the road (FREEWAY) and the males pee on one side of the car at the same time the females are peeing on the other side of the car. I assure you that none of us are brain damaged....in fact, I think that we are all very well adjusted and don't think that peeing is some sort of abnormal sexual act. Just file that information away about my family and think what you will.

I think I've said enough for tonight. Everyone knows what I think, and I don't need to repeat it. One thing I believe we ALL agree about is that Jon should have been more careful around a reporter. He wasn't. The backlash will continue. BUT, I betcha the ratings for Couples Therapy will be better than they would have been before Jon's interview!


Fleecing The Sheeple said...

Auntie Ann (141): Sums up exactly how I feel about the whole darn thing.

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

But its his life, and not knowing what he has gone through, perhaps this was what he wanted to portray out to the people who follow this stuff. Fed up, done with her and her antics. Like some said, pissed at the whole lawsuit. He didnt have his kids with him, so he was not putting any of them at risk.

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But if he were drinking and driving, he may have been putting someone else and their kids at risk.

Anonymous said...

So sorry. I missed the part about it being "unpaved". The reporter said "After a few minutes of standing around Jon’s puddle of urine and making small talk, we get back into our cars." Just plain tacky to pee in someone's driveway, paved or unpaved, but then, Jon's not known for being classy.

Carmen
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Fleecing The Sheeple said... 146

The disgusting thing here, imo, was the that he peed on someone's concrete driveway. 134

I missed the concre

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The reporter says it was an "unpaved" driveway, so no concrete was defaced, stained, or otherwise damaged during this incident.
December 28, 2013 at 8:46 PM

Rhymes with Witch said...

I missed the concre
Dang phone.

Thanks fleecing 146.

url/URL said...

no concrete was defaced, stained, or otherwise damaged during this incident.



Whew! Glad to hear it was only Jon's reputation affected.

Seriously, what a dumbass he is. He had gained a little goodwill from the public with Kate suing him and what does he do? Act like a dumbass.

Millicent said...

Lawdy, someone get me mah smelling salts, I'm come over all faint from the coarse language Jon used in an interview!

Thank you Remona Blue for putting it into a bit of perspective.

Alaskan mama said...

This is just my opinion of the article: I think TLC marketed Jon to be a clean cut, Christian father when really what we are seeing through his lame interviews is that he isn't at all what TLC portrayed him to be. At first I was disappointed because I wanted him to be that nice guy I saw on TV but it is clear he isn't that guy. I am disappointed because I want to root for him for the kid's sake. I think the reporter intentionally sought to write a piece with such vile intentions noting situations that put Jon in a bad light but nonetheless those are his actions. Do they make him an unworthy father? I don't think so. It just makes me glad my daughter has the father she has.

Alaskan mama said...

This is just my opinion of the article: I think TLC marketed Jon to be a clean cut, Christian father when really what we are seeing through his lame interviews is that he isn't at all what TLC portrayed him to be. At first I was disappointed because I wanted him to be that nice guy I saw on TV but it is clear he isn't that guy. I am disappointed because I want to root for him for the kid's sake. I think the reporter intentionally sought to write a piece with such vile intentions noting situations that put Jon in a bad light but nonetheless those are his actions. Do they make him an unworthy father? I don't think so. It just makes me glad my daughter has the father she has.

chefsummer #Leh said...

PatK said... 145
MsGoody2Shoes21‏@msgoody2shoes214m
Get Jon's money @Kateplusmy8 from his MTV show.

GET....
THE....
$$$$$$!!


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I expect this one to go on quite the rant now. And someone please clue her in to it being VH1, not MTV.
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Nah let her watch the wrong channel lol.

Sleepless In Seattle said...

I'm sure those kids, are very aware, and know a lot of what is going on in both households, and how their parents react to everything. Just cause they are kids, does not mean they are stupid, they learn the ropes real quick.

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It's one thing for kids to hear cursing from both parents, with one or the other parent calling the other names...in their own homes. It's another thing for a child to go to school and be taunted because their peers heard (or read online, as might be the case with the twins' friends) that the kids' father called their mother an a**hole.

Jeremy said...

A high school girl who works at a sandwich shops tweeted today that she made sandwiches for Jon and his 8 kids. So perhaps she is vacationing alone.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


A high school girl who works at a sandwich shops tweeted today that she made sandwiches for Jon and his 8 kids. So perhaps she is vacationing alone.

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Called that one. I said Kate had been quiet since tweeting LeeLee's hubby because the kids had gone off to Jon's. I'm glad all EIGHT went. And I'm glad they're doing normal vacation stuff like going out for sandwiches.

Sleepless In Seattle said...

MsGoody2Shoes21 ‏@msgoody2shoes21 10m
@BluMyst @Kateplusmy8 He's pitiful and Kate should get child support. He's working full time as a waiter and getting paid by MTV.

Does MTV know this? ;-)

Anonymous said...

Not done reading and catching up to all the comments yet, so I apologize if this has been mentioned, but it seems to me this interview was done way back in the fall. Didn't Jon say way back at the end of summer that one day he was going to "snap". Sounds like he did. Perhaps this interview was done back then and withheld to be used as enticement for the upcoming Couples Therapy. I think we're all being played, again.

PJ

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Knowing this reporter, I wouldn't be surprised if Jon asked his friend to use the restroom and his friend said no man just go it's fine go we're in the middle of nowhere! Go! But all that gets reported is he peed in the driveway. He had it out for him, or rather was using his antics to try to be funny.

If this is how he rolls, describing Kate's journal as merely spanking (and no excuse for misrepresenting the contents as Robert gave him a COMPLETE copy), making rude and twisted comments about BOTH Kate and Jon, and so on, his career in "journalism" is probably going to be short.

Even so, the thing is you have to be aware and skeptical of journalists like this and realize that not all of them are out to show you in the best light. And especially a really young guy probably more open to taking risks with his writing, Jon should know better.

AuntieAnn said...

chefsummer said... 155

Nah let her watch the wrong channel lol.

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haha Chef! Stupid is as stupid does.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Why is Goody so concerned about child support when Kate herself said that she doesn't want it? And for that matter Kate settled her divorce with no alimony for either parent. If she wanted alimony she didn't have to settle, she could have fought for it. She chose not to.

It's one thing if Kate were complaining about child support or Jon's money, but Kate herself doesn't seem the least bit interested in Jon's money. We can debate the reasons why that is, but the point being why would a fan keep bringing up something that doesn't seem to even be something Kate is interested in? Milo seems to do this too about other things it's obvious Kate would rather not talk about. Bizarre. I've never seen someone(s) so unwilling to take a hint.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Remona like you I'm quite curious about those Couples Therapy ratings! When does this air again, the second? This is a series right, how many episodes? I'm falling down on the job.

Have a good night Remona, I've missed your outlook on things!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

How fitting, we just channel surfed to War of the Roses!

chefsummer #Leh said...

AuntieAnn said... 163
chefsummer said... 155

Nah let her watch the wrong channel lol.

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haha Chef! Stupid is as stupid does.
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I'm sure Milo or one of KK's sheep will clue goody in that she's watching the wrong channel.

chefsummer #Leh said...

Also WTF is Goody talking about CT isn't even on yet sooo..?

chefsummer #Leh said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 164
Why is Goody so concerned about child support when Kate herself said that she doesn't want it?
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As you said stupid Goody has nothing else on Jon beside the child support which make no sense since Kate agreed to not let him pay.

Good2shoes more like Clueless2shoes.

Sleepless In Seattle said...

Milo seems to do this too about other things it's obvious Kate would rather not talk about. Bizarre. I've never seen someone(s) so unwilling to take a hint.

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But then again, you've probably never seen anyone the likes of Goody and Milo. In Goody's case, I think that she has some serious men issues going on, and perhaps in her own situation was burned by someone who didn't pay child support. Only my guess, but it would seem that transference could be the reason.

Kelly said...

When I first found out he was doing the couples therapy thing, I jumped to a negative conclusion. Once I thought about it and how darn hard it would be to financially support eight kids, I reconsidered. I'm still not sure about how I feel about it but then again I only raised two and that was hard enough.

Regarding the ruddy cheeks, I just today received my results from 23andMe and there is a genetic component to flushing with alcohol consumption and if I read it correctly, it doesn't really matter how much consuming has been done. Besides the alcohol, has many of you have already stated, flushing can happen for a number of reasons. The reporter really needs to go back and evaluate his assumptions and conclusions and make sure they're accurate before slandering people. It was a dirty trick in my opinion.

NJGal51, thank you and you the bomb :). I know you can relate having a bully of your own. I really thought I was gonna lose it when Winston died literally in front of my eyes. Like need therapy and medication lose it. My husband buried him in the backyard, ordered a beautiful ground cover plant and a mini headstone. He recently found some of the solar light up stakes with fireflies and butterflies at Menards and put four of them around his grave. I do think he's bordering on tacky, but love him for the thoughtfulness. The man had tears in his eyes after being called home from work as soon as I realized my boy was gone and there was nothing I could do. And to top all of it my mother, whom I don't speak to but found out through relatives, mocked me for my grief over a "stupid dog". She's eerily like Kate and purely toxic.

Formerly Duped and Lalalalala, you guys are awesome too and thank you for the hug. My relatives used to say my paternal grandmother cared more about the dogs and horses than the kids. I wouldn't go that far - but they certainly are family members and pretty darn close to kids. We've got one pup left, a ten year old Boxer, who is spoiled rotten like his brother and sister was. My husband and I both agree that we never want to live without dogs.

lukebandit said...

I made the post about Jon needs to go to AA. The reason why is because of all the drinks and the driving. If it is true.

Also, I know how it feels to lose someone to a drunk driver. My roommate in college was killed by a boy who I went to middle school with. 2 boys and 2 girls were drinking and driving speeding and hit Dr. C's vet tech truck and the vet tech, my roommate was instantly killed. Dr. C was severely injured and had to have multiple surgeries. This was 32 years ago. The driver was never charged.

So happy that Jon took all the kids to a sandwich shop and got them sandwiches. I don't know if he went to Subway, but Subway this month has 3 different sandwiches for 2 dollars each. Veggie, cold cut and meatball.

Normal.

njay said...

Just a reminder that there is REAL LOVE AND GOOD PEOPLE out there while were reading about two who have forgotten how to be. Hope it makes you smile and put a little joy into your heart tonight.

http://yehweh.blogspot.com/2012/12/love-story-story-in-pictures-you-wont_8.html#.Ur_HffRDucM

Alberta Girl said...

I wouldn't describe either Jon or TFW as ever being classy. I think Jon is sociable, and can relate to most people, but definetly has an ego. I don't really think it's odd that he had a few drinks after work (this time, as far as we know. I agree taking it to the "AA" level is a bit much). The cursing doesn't really bother me personally, as I think he was being himself.

What this shows to me, is that I don't think he has a clear direction of where he wants to go in his life yet. It's like he's stuck in the gray between wanting fame, and wanting obscurity. He can't have both. I agree with all, in that ultimately the kids will be the ones that suffer.

I also think, that both parents haven't learned that when you choose to have children, you have to make some sacrifices in life. If you don't want to sacrifice anything in your lifestyle, don't have kids.

Jan said...

I "bar hopped" at 2 bars when I was 36. I quit going to bars when I hit 40, but I had friends in both bars. I'm 61 now and I am still close friends with those friends that are still alive. I was a very heavy drinker in my 20's and 30's. Seeing a psych, he said drinking alone at home was worse. I saw a twitter picture of TFW's 2 bottles of Ciroc vodka,and based on others comments on this blog, TFW is really into wine too. I think she does most of her drinking at home. By the way, what does WOS mean?

njay said...

After learning what a narcisist is and does and reading Roberts book and all that the kids have gone through, I totally believe the kids will cheer Jon on for calling her that. In fact, I bet they have called her that and worse themselves. I know I would have if I had a mother like her. I probably would have wanted or wished someone would take matters into their own hands and done more. If you know what I mean.

njay said...

Just a thought. Does anyone really know how much time had passed since Jon had his drinks and when he drove? Things aren't always as they seem. Especially when it comes to reporters sensationalizing their articles.

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Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 165
''Remona like you I'm quite curious about those Couples Therapy ratings! When does this air again, the second? This is a series right, how many episodes? I'm falling down on the job.
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Admin, it is a series, I just googled season 4, and it said 8 one hour episodes. I just went back and read the entire article again, and was once again struck by the photo heading the article. Jon is posed sitting in the woods w/all the televisions strewn around him, and there are 'credits' given:

''Photography by Chris Crisman, Prop Styling by Lauren Payne, Styling by Kara Bettie Speckhals, All Wardrobe Provided by Sugarcube and Barbour.''

I don't know how much more obvious it could possibly be that there is a connection between the article and the series! I believe that we should read Jon's comments in the context of the 'script' of the Couples Therapy 'reality show.' How much of his coarse behavior, profane comments, and even the slanted snotty comments of the 'reporter' are to drum up interest in the show? I'd say about 95%...maybe even 99%, with only Jon's refusal to allow the reporter to scope out his cabin and the children's things as truly Jon.

Maybe I'm wrong...after all, it IS the middle of the night, and I am still wide awake. Insomnia may be messing w/my mind!

Carole said...

I think that all this did was to give her ammunition against Jon -- telling the kids, see how nasty your father is, calling your mother such a name, disrespect, etc. etc. He opened up a whole can of worms to let her continue to poison their minds against him.

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I don't think TFW needs this article to poison the kids against Jon; she's managed just fine before this article and will continue long after it fades from the public's memory. I actually don't think any specific infraction by Jon is necessary, I think she does it based on the fact he breathes the same air she does and especially that he's even in their lives.

Craziness said...

I think the fan blogs and people like Ms Goody will be so gleeful that Jon is painted in a bad light that they'll ignore the facts like those texts are fake, since of course it paints Kate in a bad light.

Vanessa said...

Jon peed in front of a reporter. So what? I can't believe that anyone actually thinks it is worse to pee on concrete in a driveway than to pee on the side of the road in the dirt. If so, that person would be clutching their pearls and having the vapors if they were with MY family when we stop on the side of the road (FREEWAY) and the males pee on one side of the car at the same time the females are peeing on the other side of the car. I assure you that none of us are brain damaged....in fact, I think that we are all very well adjusted and don't think that peeing is some sort of abnormal sexual act. Just file that information away about my family and think what you will.
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Reading from bottom up, so this caught my eye, haven't read the original post that prompted your response Remona (you and I are ususally on the same page:)

Jon is a guy who I really think I would like to know. He seems fun, he seems genuine and "authentic". This being said, he made a poor choice that I've seen many people make, even personally. He lips were loose because of alcohol. No doubt in my mind, he wouldn't have been so "relaxed"--it does that to me too, lol:) I can swear with the best of them but it becomes more frequent when I've had a couple. I have also relieved myself outdoors when "I"ve had a few" (talking in my 20's here and with friends)
You say he didn't hurt "his kids", and this is where I take offence. How many people "other" than the ones "in" the car have to be hurt or killed in order for a NO TOLERANCE law be made? I'm with many here who say if you're behind the wheel, you should have NO ALCOHOL in your system. They've done enough research to prove your judgement and reflexes are impaired when you are BELOW the legal limit. Simple tests. You are driving a weapon, plain and simple. There should be no limit since it affects everyone differently and differently each time you drink. But this is my opinion, I know others disagree.

Also, there is a certain decorum, or let's say etiquette that "I" feel should be followed when in the presence of others that will judge you. There's a time and place for that kind of relaxation and behavior and this was not it. He knew he was being interviewed, he should have kept his wits about him. Don't know if he was drunk or not, but "to me" it appears he was slightly inebriated. The journalist may have slanted the interview, but Jon gave him the ammo. Just like when we scoff at tfw for saying the editing made her look bad? Who gave them the footage?

Vanessa said...

Gail said... 111


Doing shots at the age of 36 and the father of 8 children is not the impression most men want to give.


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Just wow. Seriously? He shouldn't be allowed to slam back a few now and then because he has EIGHT KIDS??

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He was being interviewed. He couldn't hold off til it was done? By all means, drink your face off, he has every right to-just like his right to bear arms. But then don't add fuel to the fire and basically prove you're the party boy that you oh so detested "they've" been calling you since that infamous summer of '09.
AND DON'T GET BEHIND THE WHEEL!

Vanessa said...

Greedy Gosselins @ 111
I agree!

angie said...

aww...poor WOS.....her ex called her an asshole.
I am SURE that she's NEVAH NEVAH NEVAH called her children's father a derogatory name in the presence of the kids...yea, sure.
We've seen how vile she is on camera, you think it improves to bunnies and sunshine when the cameras are off?
dang, even ol purse boy made a negative remark about Jon in the last episodes (won't quote it, don't remember it, but it was something about his lacking in some quality).
WOS has bottles and bottles of wine in her house....a nanny reported she drinks in front of the kids, and she's reported to smoke as well..

We've heard all the comments she's made about the kids on national teevee, and she said them with the sole intent of marketing her as a poor single out-upon mom of 8.
Those kids have already heard all that. Jon might have been completely misled concerning this interview---he might have been told it would be nice and fluffy, then the author reemed him a a new one.

I am not impressed he drank and later drove...but what was the time frame between the two? WOS gets snockered in NYC, wears hooker clothes and lets a guy suck on her feet.
As far as peeing outside, that's one of a guy's last few pleasures, lol...I don't like it, but hey, it's what guys DO. And like I said, Jon probably was told that none of that would be reported.
If anything, Jon proved that you can't trust anyone in the media. He got used, live and learn!

and since I'm rambling, look at all that drivel Milo and Goody sling on WOS's timeline on a daily basis and WOS allows it.

I am sure those kids have heard it all in person, as some like to say, it's their 'normal'.
It's only shocking to those that don't live that way.

Vanessa said...

Let's not forget KK made drinks with Jamie in front of her twins and she got blasted on TV should she go to AA as well?
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Let's go back to that episode.
The outrage here was palpable, we should all go back and read the posts.
She has wine bottles, he has bottle caps.
The conclusions should be the same, or close? right?
Even her drinking on CWS, a lot of us came to the conclusion that it wasn't appropriate. Why the slack for Jon?
I've defended him whole heartedly many many times, but on this one-sorry, he came across as a douche. Period

Vanessa said...

Jon has every right to be angry at TFW, and to express his feelings if he must, but not this way. He knows better and he should take a long, hard look at himself in the mirror and hopefully not see his "brand" staring back at him.
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I couldn't agree more.
We've said in the past, imagine if the roles were reversed and it was Jon who was the narcissistic abuser and tfw was the victim.
What if it was SHE who had the 3 shots, called HIM the asshole, HER that got behind the wheel and HER that pissed in the driveway?
I can imagine what a lot of the comments would be.
She is a bitch, through and through, but they've been playing this out in public for so long, he ABSOLUTELY should know better.

localyocul said...

People pee on the side of the road because they have to go and there is no rest stop in sight. I remember my dad stopping and taking my little brother into the woods on a long trip. Jon was in the driveway of a house that I assume has indoor plumbing! It's low class, especially in front of a reporter.

TLC stinks said...

Jon has more of a right to call Kate names than we do because he lived it. We personally don't know either one. He had loose lips and that was a mistake with a reporter looking to get dirt. I think he's just a person who speaks his mind and has not learned to think before he speaks, something that many if us have problems with. He may not be the type of man some would choose, but he does parent better than Kate. Just like Kate, though, his ego needs to come down a few notches.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Let's go back to that episode.
The outrage here was palpable, we should all go back and read the posts.

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My outrage was because she had abandoned her kids, some of whom were crying and begging her to stay home, to go drink and party and get drunk. Jon didn't have his kids at the time when he took his 3 shots.

localyocul said...

angie said... 121
Whatever Jon said in ONE article can never be more than the YEARS of couch interviews of that bitch throwing him under the bus. She deserves a little sh*& flung on her for once.
And the biotch SUED the kid's father....I think that's WORSE than him calling her an asshole

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A lawsuit based on fake texts. What a dumby

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

It's like he's stuck in the gray between wanting fame, and wanting obscurity. He can't have both

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Exactly, I don't think he can decide. I think he KNOWS he should leave fame and says he wants to like if he just keeps saying it it will happen, but it's like the proverbial apple, he just can't help himself.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

A lawsuit based on fake texts. What a dumby

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When Hailey freaked out and threatened to SUE when Kate told her she actually wanted to make use of the texts, that should of been Kate's first clue. How dumb can she be? Yet she plows forward with the suit anyway? Her first question should be Hailey why are you so upset....level with me, are these texts real?

I mean what logical reason would Hailey have a meltdown like that if not afraid she'd be caught?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


I wouldn't describe either Jon or TFW as ever being classy.

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*Cough* neither would I. They've always seemed to me like low income lottery winners who may have all the toys of rich people but never really changed their ways and lifestyle. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Vanessa said...

My outrage was because she had abandoned her kids, some of whom were crying and begging her to stay home, to go drink and party and get drunk. Jon didn't have his kids at the time when he took his 3 shots.
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But he did get behind the wheel, called his ex an asshole, pissed in a driveway, dropped the fbomb etc. Just saying, if this was tfw, the comments would be flying. It's like he takes one step forward and 2 steps back. He wanted to peel off the label of "douchebag", "party Hardy" etc etc. and THIS is what he gives a reporter? He was being interviewed, it wasn't supposed to be a scripted scene on a reality show. Was he being paid? maybe yes, maybe no. He could have gotten his point across a lot better if he had behaved like he did for the View, Oprah's show, Round Table. He effed up

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

This is my comment from Kate's Night Out where SHE got drunk. My emphasis was on how she left the kids behind and not only that but I had forgotten this part, the kids were made to film segments with Ashley, work, while Kate was off drinking:

"The entire episode was Kate and Jamie getting more and more drunk on the kids' dime while the kids worked at home. I'm not sure I really conveyed in the recap how utterly disgraceful it was. All the churches she scammed are rocking on their foundations. The only thing worse than making your kids work is to take their money and spend it on a night getting drunk while they work."

localyocul said...

Shawn E. Tuma ‏@shawnetuma 9h
If we are being ourselves, we will not always say and do everything right, but I'd rather be real than fake appearing perfect.

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Vanessa said...

"The entire episode was Kate and Jamie getting more and more drunk on the kids' dime while the kids worked at home. I'm not sure I really conveyed in the recap how utterly disgraceful it was. All the churches she scammed are rocking on their foundations. The only thing worse than making your kids work is to take their money and spend it on a night getting drunk while they work."
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Admin, I'm not disputing YOUR comment. don't tell me there weren't more posters totally outraged. My point is they are BOTH (as they should be) being criticized for behaving questionably. I stand by my comment that he effed up. He of allll people KNOWS how a reporter can spin things-he's given them the EXACT depiction/behavior of what he's worked so hard to shed.

angie said...

In an interview, Jon calls WOS an asshole.
WOS sues Jon---that says F%^& You.

which is worse?

Gee, Jon never told the kids they wouldn't be Gosselin's any longer if they didn't tow the line...
Jon never beat the living daylights out of his kids.
WOS stays in the house drinking wine while the kids hunt Easter eggs the help stuffed and hid.
Jon didn't write in his journal that his daughter suffered from severe stomach pain and didn't take her to the doctor for a MONTH.
Jon didn't make his kids lay on the laundry room floor when they were sick.
Jon didn't give his son a broken lolly pop and keep the perfect one for himself.
Jon didn't bring his daughter to tears over a slice of pizza.
Jon doesn't lie about visitation and custody times.
....shall we go on?

Katykat said...

TLC tried to sell a "clean cut, TOTALLY clean living, no vices, Christian family." when in reality that's not who they are. And really, who is? Instead, you have a drinking, cursing, abusive bitch of a mom...a smoking, cursing, overworked,abused Dad and 8 poor kids thrown in the middle. NO ONE would have loved that TV family. They wouldn't have made the network any money...so the network had to change them. But you can't hide behind the facade forever. I still feel Jon is the better, more loving parent.

Suzy said...

How long will it be before she gets on TV or write something to 'set the record straight' or address Jon's interview? She didn't wait that long when she wrote in to basically scold Jon for telling untruths about the children's social problems.

Just wait & see. She will get back on TV & be all sweet & talk in her little girl voice. That's her TV personality! Not the real Kate that does the same with the children or Jon.

Suzy

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