Thursday, December 26, 2013

Karen Dotrice: 'I’ve never really wanted any of my children to become child actors like me'

Saving Mr. Banks is an endearing film now in theaters about Walt Disney’s struggle to acquire the rights to a children’s author’s beloved books, but the actor who played Jane in ‘Mary Poppins’ says child actors are who really need saving




Another child actor is all grown up and joining the long list of former child stars disclosing all was not as cheery as it seemed. Karen Dotrice won hearts as Jane in the 1963 film ‘Mary Poppins. The brilliant Sherman brothers’ song “The Perfect Nanny,” in which Jane reads an advertisement describing the kind of caretaker any child would long for, is particularly sweet (and funny).



Doctrice, who left show business as a teenager, had this to say about child stardom:

 “If I’d had my way, I’d still never have done any of those films, because kids should be kids. They should be doing their homework, or outside riding horses. They should be learning and growing at their own pace – and learning things at the right time, rather than when it’s convenient for others. It’s just not normal for a child to have that kind of focus on them and then trot off into life thinking that everyone’s going to pamper them and treat them as if they’re ‘special’. The fact is that if you’re living in a Justin Bieberesque type world surrounded by a bunch of yes people, the odds are you’re going to struggle in later life. That’s why I’ve never really wanted any of my children to become child actors like me. I’ve seen a lot of my peers go through terrible times and have to deal with all sorts of demons.”

Thank you, Karen for your insight.

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url/URL said...

Does this mean, admin, that you are finally seeing that NO kids should be on television, especially reality tv, regardless of their 'talents'?

If enough of us support the 'no children on tv/movies' wave, perhaps we could make a difference! Let's not just 'accept' that kids are going to be put to work to make adults money. Let's DO something about it. Make our voices heard. Break the so-called status quo.

chefsummer said...

Happy Holiday's 15 family.

I'm sick with the flu and it suck lol.

Rhymes with Witch said...

Lindsey, Miley, Justin (to name a few) make me sad.
Kate' s continued exploitation of her children makes me angry. Tamra does too.
I am sure there are more, I am just not aware of them.

Sleepless In Seattle said...

Gracie ‏@gracieelaree 38m
@Kateplusmy8 I hope you enjoyed your Chipotle this evening! Thank you for being so sweet!

Where is Milo's "Everyone LOVES you, Kate. Networks take note. Best news in 2014 is gettin her back! Kate is LOVED worldwide! #hugsandkisses4ever"

Milo, you're either sleepin on the job, or your Kate alarm isn't workin!

AuntieAnn said...

Another story of regret from a former child actor. What makes Kate think that pushing her kids in front of a camera will make them any more special to her or anyone else for that matter? It just can't be good for their self-image. She'd better be ready for some questions from them when they grow up and leave home, like - wasn't I good enough just being myself?


Chef - sorry to hear you're ill. I hope its not too severe. Get well soon.


from the last thread,
Bitchy Pants ...I think gateau means 'mound' of something or other but I may be wrong. I skipped french class in high school. oops.

lukebandit, what a cute story. He will love your FB post, I'm sure.
And about Julia Child, she was great for making names up for her dishes. She could make a peanut butter sandwich sound fancy. She said they used to put gravy browning mixed with water in the wine bottles to give it the appearance of red wine for her show The French Chef. She called it a nice bottle of Chateau Gravée Mastere and no one noticed she'd said it. haha!


Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Remember when they used to close down museums, parks, etc for filming? That always used to concern me greatly in terms of what Karen is talking about, a child always hearing "yes." It concerned me the kids would think everything should close for them, or they deserve people to bend over backwards for them because they are so special. It is a dangerous message to send a child. It really makes sense what Jon was just saying about the kids having trouble socially. How can they fit in with other kids when they've had such a strange upbringing?

Also can I just say Karen seems so awesome from any interview I've seen of her and I love that she created a new word, Bieberesque! That is just cool.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

I wonder what Kate would do if the kids say something similar to what Karen just said when they grow up. It's bound to happen. All eight of them are perfectly content with every single aspect of their childhood? The odds are slim even for kids NOT on T.V., lol!

I think steam might actually come out of her ears if they blow the whistle.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Feel better chef! A spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down!

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

It seems to be a priority of most good parents is to teach kids that they in fact don't deserve special treatment and that it is rude and uncouth to demand it. That polite people are humble, kind and don't make ridiculous demands. I'm not sure how you do that when your child is a star and everyone around them is teaching them exactly the opposite. It must be so frustrating for any parent who doesn't want them to be a part of that world.

In fact, I think this mentality even messes up some famous adults. I think you have to be very firmly grounded to be able to withstand this sort of artificial environment without it basically ruining you.

fidosmommy said...

Even the aristocratic Diana understood that while her sons bore princely titles, they would darn well stand in line for the rides like all the other children. She did her best to keep their lives normal. I am guessing her sons are glad they learned they weren't THAT special.

Princess Anne rejected the idea of giving her children titles of any sort, so they were free to live in the real world more than in the royal world. I still say it was the best gift she ever gave them. "You are Peter and Zara. Go be happy."

if only parents with stars and dollar signs in their eyes could just let their kids grow up doing normal kid things.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

I like the decisions Diana made for those boys. They both talk about how she inspired in them a passion for helping the needy and they both have put their money where their mouth is, with numerous charities especially in Africa and military service. Prince Harry just participated in a "race" to the south pole to benefit wounded soldiers.

I heard that Zara has rejected all royal "perks" so to speak, is that true? Says a lot about priorities. Being born royalty is a burden you don't ask for. It's not the same as being an adult and voluntarily marrying into it, as Kate has. However as good as I think she is with little George, I don't think I would choose that lifestyle for my child. I feel sorry for George when I see photos of him, his destiny is arranged and he's still on breast milk. Zara is lucky in that she's removed enough from the line of succession to be able to renounce it.

Kate is a twit said...

Admin-When I click the link in your post to read the article about Karen Dotrice, it doesn't work for me. For any others having the same problem, here is the link:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/disney/10481596/Mary-Poppins-child-star-Karen-Dotrice-If-Id-had-my-way-Id-never-have-done-any-of-those-films.html

Since Karen grew up in a family of actors, show business was the family's life. It's refreshing to see that she realized that after making several films, she realized it just wasn't for her and she left the business. Apparently, her parents were okay with that and let her make that decision. She also wasn't the sole support of her parents, as many other childhood stars were.

I have no problem with a child being an actor, as long as it is what the child wants to do, not what the parents decide the child should do. It should always be the child's decision. I think the reason some child actors survived growing up in the business, is because they had parents who always thought of their child as a child first--not as a meal ticket or family breadwinner. They still made sure that their child had a childhood and other interests. Acting may have been a part of their childhood, but it wasn't their WHOLE childhood.

When Kate said "The show is our life, and our life is the show", just shows how little her children's childhood meant to her. It was all for the show and the show must go on no matter what.

Parents who use their children to garner their own fame are the most despicable parents in my book. And yes, that includes Jon. But at least he is not now using his children to further his career, like Kate is. Hopefully, he has seen the error of his ways.

Kate bases her whole career on her children. Her website and twitter can't be just Kate Gosselin. She must have the children included by adding the "plusmy8". Unfortunately, she is nothing without those children, and she knows it, and she'll keep on using them to support her quest for fame and money.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

A key component to child stars turning out normal appears to be that their parents kept their day jobs and they didn't feel pressure to support the family. Perhaps it's not actually being on camera that is so harmful but the very adult pressure it puts on a little child to provide that is the most damaging. Take away that component and it appears to remove a lot of the dysfunction associated with many of the troubled child stars.

Of the few children who have said they are perfectly happy with their childhoods as stars, no complaints, their parents almost always kept their day jobs. The key seems to be to keep acting a game like any other thing a child does, and not a "career," obligation, or responsibility to support the family.

Gail said...

It should always be the child's decision.

Children are too young to make such life changing decisions. That's what parents are for.

Gail said...

The key seems to be to keep acting a game like any other thing a child does


Children should be playing games with age appropriate friends. Being on a set is certainly no game and I can't imagine any child who thinks it is. Perhaps they'd find it 'fun' for the first couple of hours, or maybe even the first day. After that? Highly unlikely.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...


Children should be playing games with age appropriate friends. Being on a set is certainly no game and I can't imagine any child who thinks it is. Perhaps they'd find it 'fun' for the first couple of hours, or maybe even the first day. After that? Highly unlikely.

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I'm only repeating what some child actors have said. There is no denying that a few child actors, Fred Savage being one of them, insist that they had a good time being a child actor and have nothing bad to say about it.

What I'm saying is why is that? Well, the common demonimor I've found is that none of those kids felt "pressure" to act. It was fun, a game to them. This is only what they said. Fred Savage's father, for example, never quit his job. I believe he was in real estate, and kept it going even after Wonder Years was a massive hit and he could have quit.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

To add to that I was actually kind of annoyed with Fred Savage's recent interview where he seemed to be sort of poo pooing people who complained about child stardom and saying hey I turned out fine stop saying child stardom is some terrible thing! He failed to acknowledge everything that went so right for him that isn't the case for all kids--his dad keeping his day job, good parents, his money protected, etc. Well of course he turned out fine if everyone around him was so committed to protecting him. The problem is that's not always the case for many kids.

Denominator haha terrible typo!

Anonymous said...

Last try, phone sucks, no shopping happy Holidays, franky..tfw sucks too
franky

Anonymous said...

Bitchy..gateau can be used sarcastically as in "a treat" .French colliqilism (so?)

franky

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Whoa TFW has been quiet since she gave that shout out of hugs and kisses to our very own Lee Lee (JEALOUS, how did this happen no fair!!!)

Either she fell over and hurt herself from accidentally giving love to a non-fan, or the kids are with Jon.

AuntieAnn said...

Whoa TFW has been quiet since she gave that shout out of hugs and kisses to our very own Lee Lee (JEALOUS, how did this happen no fair!!!)

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Has it not yet dawned upon Kate that she's a laughing stock, the punchline of a really bad joke? Next step will be a lawsuit against LeeLee's hubby. I wanna hear her tell her lawyer "I'm on the phone!!!" Wonder how well that would go over with a judge.

franky- thanks for the translation. I was pretty sure gateau meant a pile or a mound of something. Kate's salad was a gateau of bitter kale if I am interpreting it correctly. yum. Some treat.

Greedy Gosselins said...

I wonder how Kate handles each child and their individual friends. My son had a friend with a little brother and whenever the friend came over, so too, did the little brother. Even at my son's birthday parties! In fact, the friend couldn't attend unless his little brother was allowed to also! Is this normal or weird? I found it weird.

Thanks for not going postal about my excitement regarding our upcoming Disneyland trip. I realized it came across as a giant humblebrag as soon as I pressed send. I apologize for my tactlessness. (is tactlessness a word? lol)

sparkle said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 6
Remember when they used to close down museums, parks, etc for filming? That always used to concern me greatly in terms of what Karen is talking about, a child always hearing "yes." It concerned me the kids would think everything should close for them, or they deserve people to bend over backwards for them because they are so special. It is a dangerous message to send a child.
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There was a tidbit on BlindGossip the other day about a former studio president. He had recently started a children's shelter and clinic in Cambodia. He was wrestling with quitting Hollywood and devoting all his time to the shelter. One day, while in Cambodia and learning that 5 of the children in the shelter came down with typhoid, an assistant for a big star called. They said the food and brand of bottled water on the private plane the studio had chartered for the star was not acceptable. The star grabbed the phone from the assistant and said "Scott, my life isn't supposed to be this difficult." Needless to say, that egotistical jerk of a star cemented Scott's decision.

Lacey said...

Fans on twitter are sad, sad people who feel that with one tap of their finger, they get one tap closer to fame.

JMO said...

Kate bases her whole career on her children. Her website and twitter can't be just Kate Gosselin. She must have the children included by adding the "plusmy8". Unfortunately, she is nothing without those children, and she knows it, and she'll keep on using them to support her quest for fame and money.
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And her "When anyone wants to stop filming, we will." Jon wanted to stop at one point, and they "ironed" it out, meaning she bulldozed to continue. Also, I find it hard to believe that all 8, count 'em 8, kids want to continue filming First of all, I am sure she would never ask them, and if she did, they would be under the penalty of severeness to continue.

The kids did not choose to be on TV or to continue. Was always about what Kate wanted, and they were and will be filmed at any time Kate can scrounge a show, segment, etc.. Katie Couric and Wife Swap were clear examples that some of the kids did not enjoy the experience. At all.

I think they are old enough now to have a choice in filming, and I hope Jon pursues this in Family Court, if she tries this again. A simple question by the Judge in chambers with each child individually could determine if all 8 want to continue filming. There are no long term contracts the Judge would need to consider at this juncture.

If Kate wants to continue filming solo, I don't care. Go for it. But as you noted, she knows she is nothing without the kids.

Dmasy said...

Ron Howard (little Oppie) has spoken frequently about being a child star, maintaining a happy marriage in Hollywood and a prolonged celebrity career.

He is an example of a child actor who stayed grounded. He gives his father and other adults in his life the credit. He also acknowledges that he was fortunate.

This is the link to one of his interviews:

http://voices.yahoo.com/ron-howard-child-actor-success-story-8262421.html

Katykat said...

Having worked at Disney during college, I had the opportunity to meet Ron Howard and Princess Diana. Ron Howard and his family had no body guards, no escorts, nothing, He and his family waited in every line and no one bothered them. They were a just another family, having a good time.
Princess Diana and her boys did have security and didn't wait in line. However, she was incredibly gracious and kind to everyone and the boys were very well mannered. She was dressed just like all the other moms...no high heels or slutwear for her...and the guests oogled a little, smiled, waved...but no one that I saw approached the family EVER seen to make her kids cry at Disney. I think that is the reason disney doesn't want those episodes released. She turned the "Happiest Place on Earth" into a miserable cry fest over a drop of ice cream, and I suspect that didn't sit well with the Disney folks.

Anonymous said...

Greedy Gosselins said... 22
I wonder how Kate handles each child and their individual friends. My son had a friend with a little brother and whenever the friend came over, so too, did the little brother. Even at my son's birthday parties! In fact, the friend couldn't attend unless his little brother was allowed to also! Is this normal or weird? I found it weird.

Thanks for not going postal about my excitement regarding our upcoming Disneyland trip. I realized it came across as a giant humblebrag as soon as I pressed send. I apologize for my tactlessness. (is tactlessness a word? lol)

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I agree, it is weird. Children should not have to share their entire lives with a younger sibling. They should be allowed to be individuals, IMO.

I don't think you were bragging at all about your trip to Disney. I was thrilled for you and your child. I'm so glad someone on your ex's side is picking up the slack and I hope you are able to form and maintain a wonderful relationship with her. Good for you.

PJ

JMO said...

There was recent mention of TFW copyrighting her twitter photos (although not sure if she obtained rights), but this does bring to mind that there was a rumor of TFW suing Robert for copyright infringement. Of course, the rumor does not mean it happened. But knowing how badly TFW does not want the JH book to come out, wondering if she did file a lawsuit that was "sealed"?

I have no idea, but RH has been very quiet on his website. Her ego dictates her actions. Who knows? Her new "copyright" on twitter pictures got me thinking about her motives for such silliness, since she is putting these pictures out for public consumption.

grandee4 said...

Hope everyone had a very Merry Christmas.
Chef, feel better soon, take care. Hope everyone took the flu vaccine.

I think I read here a few days ago that Kate said she would be ok if any of her kids write a tell-all. Yeah, right.

Jon is right, how can those kids have social skills if they are locked in that compound for months over the summer and most holiday breaks.
School is basically the only place they get to interact with others. This is not going to turn out good. They already feel entitled because that is how they see their mother act. Jon tries his best to get them out the house when he has visitation and Kate hates that. She is very afraid one of them is going to talk about what goes on in their little world behind the gates. I really thought by now that Mady would be the one to spill the beans, she said a lot on CWS about the work, work, work but we all know it has got to be much worse. It brought tears to Kendra. Would love to see the film on the cutting room floor.

Why is everyone so afraid of exposing this woman? Very few people have come forward. This has always been a problem for me. If she were my daughter, I would have done an intervention a long time ago, geez, all the way back to the tummy tuck,the change in appearance and shutting out her own brother.

Kate became unstable a long time ago and it scares me when people say she can go back into nursing.

We just had a horrible thing happen last night, south of New Orleans. A former employee, an RN that worked at Ochsner Hospital in Raceland, La went on a shooting spree.
The CEO of Ochsner is dead, his wife is fighting for her life. A member of the Council is in critical condition, his wife dead. The gunman is dead after he took his own life and his wife was found dead at their home. All because he was fired for strange behavior and severe mood swings. Details are still coming in. 3 hospitals in the small community had to be locked down.

Just never know when someone who can lead a productive life after being diagnosed with a mental illness is going snap. Medication and therapy is their only salvation. They are usually the last one to see that they need help because they are in denial. So said, just tragic.

Everyone have a great New Year, wishing you happiness and good health.

JMO said...

Greedy Gosselins said... 22

No need to apologize. Your happiness and excitement came through and I am very happy for both you and your son. And a new relationship with an in-law who wants to be part of your son's life. It is a win-win situation, and hope you both have a wonderful time!

localyocul said...

JMO said... 29
There was recent mention of TFW copyrighting her twitter photos (although not sure if she obtained rights), but this does bring to mind that there was a rumor of TFW suing Robert for copyright infringement. Of course, the rumor does not mean it happened. But knowing how badly TFW does not want the JH book to come out, wondering if she did file a lawsuit that was "sealed"?

I have no idea, but RH has been very quiet on his website. Her ego dictates her actions. Who knows? Her new "copyright" on twitter pictures got me thinking about her motives for such silliness, since she is putting these pictures out for public consumption

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I don't think you can file a sealed lawsuit but I'm no lawyer. My thinking was a little different. I think she was told she had no case to sue for copyright infringement since she hadn't copyrighed anything. This is her immature response.

Tucker's Mom said...

Katykat said... 27
Having worked at Disney during college, I had the opportunity to meet Ron Howard and Princess Diana
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How cool! Thanks for sharing those stories.
The think that really bothered me was Kate pissing and moaning about people gathering around and approaching them when filming. Well, duh.
You've got a gaggle of kids, are dressed like a slut with your titties hanging out, got bleached blonde hair, and lets's see... what am I forgetting? Oh yeah, a freaking film crew.
Ya think you're going to NOT draw attention?
Remember Kate running in her hooker heels in NYC, with ice cream, screeching the whole time, boobies bouncing sans bra?
Yeah, that'll getcha attention.
The G kids have been very, very spoiled. But, since the filming stopped, I think their lives are normalizing.
The fame and money will be long gone by the time the kids are adults, and they should get used to being mediocre like most of the rest of us.

JoyinVirginia said...

Thanks for this post admin! The entire family enjoyed the Saving Mr Banks movie, and I have been reading a lot of articles and interviews about making the film, and making Mary Poppins. Karen in many articles has said how wonderful that Walt Disney, Julie Andrews, Dick van dyke, and everyone was to her and her family during the filming. Even after all that, she still says it would be better if children did not have to do this job.
Chef summer, hope you feel better! greedy Gosselins, I am very excited about your trip! I also think humble brag is a word used by sheeple who wander outside the pasture, so ignore anyone who posts that.

Tucker's Mom said...

JMO said... 31
Greedy Gosselins said... 22

No need to apologize. Your happiness and excitement came through and I am very happy for both you and your son
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Same here... very exciting!
Now if you'd been demanding a kobe beef dinner on that trip, that would be another story!

JMO said...

I still don't get what Kate thought she was accomplishing by dressing like a hooker, but then again, I don't get her at all. The constant shorts and heels, with boobies hanging out, just showed how shallow, trashy, and inconsiderate she was of her kids, in my opinion.

Did she really think she looked good or "hip" for that matter? Don't know what she was thinking! Trashy is not a good look for a 37 mother of 8. Pure and simple.

JMO said...

I don't think you can file a sealed lawsuit but I'm no lawyer. My thinking was a little different. I think she was told she had no case to sue for copyright infringement since she hadn't copyrighed anything. This is her immature response.
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You can only if the Court agrees to sealing the complaint based on compelling reasons. She probably has no case in the instance either, but... she is Kate and wants the book squashed. Who knows?

Pure speculation on my part. But her pit bull tendencies to get what she wants and the twitter reference to copyright infringement got me thinking. Hopefully, I am wrong.

Tucker's Mom said...

JMO said... 36
I still don't get what Kate thought she was accomplishing by dressing like a hooker, but then again, I don't get her at all. The constant shorts and heels, with boobies hanging out, just showed how shallow, trashy, and inconsiderate she was of her kids, in my opinion.
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Kate is very into herself- very focused on how she looks. Her new boobies had to be shown off. She's like a child.
Same for her French nails. The way she was constantly waving her fingers in front of her face was because she's so aware of the nails. Notice that she always sat with her hands in her lap when on the couch prior to the nail job.
It's juvenile behavior- we get it, you got new huge boobs and nail tips, and we got over it pretty quickly.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

The bug museum I believe in Philly is one example of a museum that shut down just for them. The Skyjump/walk was also shut down for them. Their helper at the Skyjump even said if this were a normal customer she would have not have this long to make the walk, he would have ended it ages ago. There are other examples, but those are ones I thought of off the top of my head.

Tucker's Mom said...

Wait, Kate didn't copyright that crappy looking salad? Why ever not?
That size salad is what I eat BEFORE dinner. No wonder she complains about being exhausted all the time.
She's got no variety in her diet, and will wind up with osteoporosis, anemia and Vitamin B deficiency at the rate she's going.
Keep eating that spinach and egg whites!

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...


I still don't get what Kate thought she was accomplishing by dressing like a hooker, but then again, I don't get her at all.

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I think she surely MUST have had someone picking out her clothes at that point. I think she told them she wanted to go Hollywood, and that was the result. Not all stylists are made equal.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...


Having worked at Disney during college, I had the opportunity to meet Ron Howard and Princess Diana. Ron Howard and his family had no body guards, no escorts, nothing, He and his family waited in every line and no one bothered them. They were a just another family, having a good time.

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Oh that's awesome. I read an interview where Ron Howard's daughter said she didn't even know her dad was a celebrity until she was an adult! He just made movies like many people who make movies aren't celebs.

I think that is an absolute gift you can give to your child, the gift of not realizing they are the child of a celebrity and all the baggage that comes with that. She completely avoided all the dysfunction that comes with knowing that. I think he is great.

Layla said...

Admin (6)
The kids have been off TV for more than 2 years now, and have, most likely, forgotten much of the drudgery of filming. I'm sure Kate has used the past 2+ years to "recondition" them, showing them videos of them (seemingly) having fun and going places. She can remind them of all the great things they used to be able to do when they were filming, and how they can't afford to do such things without a show. She won't let the tups take lessons or participate in extracurricular activities, but they can watch shows of them doing gymnastics and baseball when they were filming. She won't take them on vacation (even though she has plenty of money to do so), but she makes sure they watch tapes of all the trips they took on TLC's dime. When they (perhaps) say they miss filming, it is because she has fed them a steady diet of "Oh, how wonderful our lives were when we had a show". Sooner or later, they become conditioned to it. They forget the work and remember what she wants them to remember--all the perks. This is what she wants, of course, but now she's running into something she didn't expect. She is dealing with the fact that nobody wants to film them. Bet she didn't see that one coming.
As I said in the last thread, I finally watched some K+8. Episodes. Well, as much as I could take. And there is nothing special about the Gs. Nothing entertaining, nothing unique. Yeah, there's a set of sextuplets, but the days of struggling with 6 toddlers are over, and now what? They are just a bunch of ordinary kids. Doing what we can watch our own kids do every day. Why bother watching them?
Perhaps their lack of entertainment value was the reason TLC resorted to sending them on nonstop trips. We could watch something we don't get to do every day. They didn't realize that most people are bored to tears watching someone else's vacation videos. So, they upped the drama. Another bad call--nobody likes a shrew. So they were left with nothing, and finally realized that and cancelled the show.
What does Kate think they are going to do on a new show? All they have is what was done before, and that failed miserably. Any new show would be just the same, and would also fail miserably. What network wants to revisit a premise that has already failed? She is delusional enough to think they could somehow make it work, but network execs aren't that stupid. They are looking for the next new thing, not the stale, old thing. Kate will never accept that it is over, and that is too bad. It keeps her from moving on to new things. She's waiting for the day that her new experiences will be filmed, and she's missing out as a result. So are the kids. Let's hope they Jon can keep them from missing out on too much.

TLC stinks said...

She's just doing the copyright thing so if someone uses a photo she can demand money or sue. Who cares. Her photos suck anyway. Oh, but she is just fine with an internet site copying her tweets and writing about them.

ITA she has essentially brainwashed those kids to miss filming. They are too young to remember much of anything except Kate's pounding into their impressionable minds about filming and traveling. She is one sicko.

I read different legal opinions regarding copyright law. No idea if that is her basis to sue Robert, but a case can be made regarding personal journals. Just don't know which weighs more, her right to her journals or the fact that she threw them out. Remember, it was kind of the same thing with Sen. John Edwards and the sex tape that was taken from his girlfriend's trash. The judge ruled the tape had to be returned. Anyway, it will be interesting to see what the future holds for Robert, Kate and Jon.

Anonymous said...

Admin,
I am on this side of the fence but when you broad stroke or simply get the facts wrong it does bug me.

The only places I can recall, and I watched every episode more than once: the cupcake place, the Tea Room, the bead stringing, the hair cut place, the dentists office,

All of Hawaii was open to the public, Lego Land, Dutch Wonderland, Crayola, Sesame, Thomas, Hands on House, I could go on and on.

They may have gotten special treatment at all these places, but they were not SHUT down.

Thanks, Sara

AussieGoldenLuv said...

Greedy Gosselins said... 22
Thanks for not going postal about my excitement regarding our upcoming Disneyland trip. I realized it came across as a giant humblebrag as soon as I pressed send. I apologize for my tactlessness. (is tactlessness a word? lol)

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Greedy, I didn't think it was bragging at all. It was rejoicing at two unexpected gifts - a newfound relative for your son, and a trip that you wouldn't have been able to afford otherwise. You sounded quite grateful for both. I'm glad you shared as I'm positive many here are excited along with you for your delightful surprise. What a blessing!

JoyinVirginia said...

Layla, your analysis is very accurate - other peoples vacation movies are BORING. and watching our own children, or our own nieces, nephews, cousins, neighbors grandkids, etc is so much more interesting than kids on TV. Frankly, I was bored by the premise of early J&I+8. I took care of my own babies, I did not need to watch strangers wrangle their herd of children. Add in that TFMJG was ” difficult” to put it mildly, no producer is going to come calling for her.

rainbowsandunicorns said...

Whoa TFW has been quiet since she gave that shout out of hugs and kisses to our very own Lee Lee (JEALOUS, how did this happen no fair!!!)

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Could be that the vetting detective or one of the minions sent her a heads up that the person to whom she sent the hugs and kisses is actually a non-fan, and is now BLOCKED!

How embarrassing for Kate. She got punked.

rainbowsandunicorns said...

My gosh -- the one youngish fan is hung up on "bullies." Yet, she comes down hard on celebrities, Bieber for one, writing unflattering things about him and his fans. The hypocrisy is as plain as the nose on the face. I don't understand that they don't see that what they are doing to other celebrities is exactly the same thing that gets them all worked up over Kate's "haters."

They just don't seem to get it, and that's what makes one wonder about the mindset (and logical thinking) of the sheeple. They can't look at themselves in the mirror and think..."gee, I'm doing exactly the same thing to other celebrities that I'm accusing Kate's bullies and trolls of doing." You just have to shake your head...

sparkle said...

JMO said... 36
I still don't get what Kate thought she was accomplishing by dressing like a hooker, but then again, I don't get her at all. The constant shorts and heels, with boobies hanging out, just showed how shallow, trashy, and inconsiderate she was of her kids, in my opinion.
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Robert said in the book that Kate's low rent hooker phase was a TLC sanctioned ploy. Whomever thought this was a good idea should be fired, asap. Having Kate running around in spike heels, booty shorts and the huge, new implants (she vehemently denied getting) hanging out of a too small halter- did NOTHING to endear her to the public. She always looked like she was emerging after a rough night on skid row.

He also said Kate is obsessed with looks and is as superficial as they come. She judges everyone by their looks, she's extremely judgemental about appearances. Crying because one of her sons needed glasses confirms this. So does her freaking over an ice cream drip.

Because of this, I tend to think Milo is the the fake fan Robert was alluding to. Milo seems to be the only one who is fixated on Kate's looks and body. IMO, Kate is behind "Milo" in some way and uses her/it to create buzz about her Dr. Glassman created Frankenbody.

Just the other day, Jennifer Lopez told someone she's never had any plastic surgery, ever. A quick look at a picture of Jen from 1995 shows that she has had expert, but extensive work on her nose. I think it's reprehensible for celebrities to do this, especially when a new slim nose or two almost DD boobs are staring you in the face. A nose and boobs those people did not have several years ago. They all do it, though. Very few celebs admit their plastic surgery.

Tucker's Mom said...

I think she surely MUST have had someone picking out her clothes at that point. I think she told them she wanted to go Hollywood, and that was the result. Not all stylists are made equal.
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Kate was grifting Anne Taylor and White House Black Market at the time. At the very least.
I actually wonder what the producers were thinking. The show was built around this Christian couple, and then there's Kate and her new boobs, manipedi, hooker heels, tanned hyde, veneers, bleached blonde hair. How does that play to the audience that MADE them a success?
I would have said, "Kate, honey, tone it down a tad, you look desperate".

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Sara I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with since I never said all places were shut down or anywhere they went was always closed. Some were, and of those that weren't they got special treatment usually. The point being they were often treated like little princesses and that's exactly the concern Karen spoke of.

Tucker's Mom said...

Just the other day, Jennifer Lopez told someone she's never had any plastic surgery, ever. A quick look at a picture of Jen from 1995 shows that she has had expert, but extensive work on her nose. I think it's reprehensible for celebrities to do this, especially when a new slim nose or two almost DD boobs are staring you in the face. A nose and boobs those people did not have several years ago. They all do it, though. Very few celebs admit their plastic surgery.
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I think it's bizarre to lie about plastic surgery. Must be hell not being comfortable with who you are-with or without surgery.
JLo has had a lot of work. She looks VERY different. Look up when she was a Fly Girl on In Living Color, around that time period.
She's also really, really big into contouring her face.

lukebandit said...

A young man received an email from 20th Century Fox to promote the movie, The Secret Life of Walter Mitty. They wanted to give him 25K to promote it. He answered the email and told them what he wanted to do with it. They agreed. What he did was incredible.

http://tinyurl.com/lcmgevw


http://tinyurl.com/lcmgevw

Mel said...

Wasn't the museum in Philly shut down for the gosselins? Or maybe not shut down, but the areas the gosselins were in for filming were closed to others. I seem to remember the area they were in being cordoned off, and people calling to TFW from the other side of the rope.

Mel said...

I suppose shutting the place down was easier for filming, since they wouldn't have to get consent from random strangers to broadcast them on national tv.

lukebandit said...

Greedy Gosselins, I took your post about going to Florida to meet your son's aunt and stay with her and go to Disneyland as a huge blessing! You were not bragging at all. I am really happy for you and your son. I would think this wonderful, loving gesture from your son's dad's side of the family would convict their hearts and soften them. Hopefully, it will. Love is the answer.

lukebandit said...

Is Robert ever going to publish the book? I am not trying to be mean, but Robert, either pull the trigger or put it back into the holster!

The suspense and waiting has went on too long!

It doesn't matter if there were her personal journals in the trash. She threw them away herself or ordered the staff or kids to do it for her. The can was taken to the road for the garbage man to pick up. By law, the trash is fair game. I think there are only 2 cities in the US that it is against the law, IIRC reading that and TFW's is not one of them. The US Supreme Court says so!

Someone mentioned a tape that the court ordered to be returned. Wasn't that stolen and not found in the trash?

I just hope and pray that Jon can have such an influence on the kids to reverse the severe damage that kate has put on her kids. In the picture of the kids sitting listening to Mady read the book, I thought, it is Christmas! That beautiful room, the windows should have green garland with a pretty Christmas wreath with streamers. That couch in front of the window looked to be 25 years old. It looked really dumpy.

Also, about all the kale she eats. The darker the green leaves are the higher in Vitamin K it is. If you eat too much Vitamin K it will thin your blood, really thin. If you are on blood thinner meds like warfarin or Coumadin, and eating that much kale, you will be on thin ice in a heartbeat. You have to keep a regular check on your I and R and Protime.

kate is a nurse, she should know that.

Angie said...

Well dang it.... Food network is starting a new show calked 'the kitchen',and WOS isn't one of the hosts. Can she sue because they overlooked her culinary talents?? Just think of all those recipes we won't get to marvel at-ya know the ones, those that just pop into her head while she's on a plane? Lol

lukebandit said...

Real funny. I posted on a tab that had a story about DD and Phil buying Miss Kay a very nice big diamond ring for being married for 50, yes, count `em, 50 years! It was the only ring she got, I think! They were poor in the beginning. The point of the article was that they were "suppose to be hurting for money" because Phil was kicked off the show. Well, that is not true. They are multi-multi millionaires and want for nothing! I said that and went on about kate blah blah blah.

I got a response that was funny in my email. A person said, this has nothing to do with kate you LOON!

HAHHAHA! I am a huge fan of the Andy Griffith Show. I subscribe to a newsletter and we try to intertwine real life with the show. I answered back that if I were a loon, I wanted to be a Web Footed, Red Breasted Lake Loon! HAHAHAHA

Bitchy Pants said...

lukebandit -- I think you have it backward on Vitamin K. IIRC, it promotes blood clotting not thinning.

Re the Philly hands on museum -- It was not shut down for the G's filming. At the time, a woman who was there with her child complained (don't remember if it was on twitter or someone interviewed her) that Skeeve forced her to delete pix she took of her child because a couple of the G kids were in the frame too. I'm sure they got special treatment, though.

Bitchy Pants said...

Oops, hit publish too soon. Thanks franky and others for the info on gateau. Guess I did have it confused with a similar word which means cake. As I said, I didn't take French.

Meagler said...

Did I miss TFW's annnouncement about the 12 lucky non winners of her non contest about Acts of Kindness?

Merry Christmas everyone!!!!!

Just Me said...

Phillymagazine did a really good interview with Jon.

http://www.phillymag.com/articles/jon-gosselin-wilderness/5/

Tucker's Mom said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 52
Sara I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with since I never said all places were shut down or anywhere they went was always closed. Some were, and of those that weren't they got special treatment usually. The point being they were often treated like little princesses and that's exactly the concern Karen spoke of.
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They're lives have been full of first class service, exclusive access and an unending pouring in of freebies. The see staff and "servants" all the time.
I can't imagine them going out into the world, living alone and doing it all without help/staff.
With Jon, fortunately, they can see how that works.
Just thinking about Kate's demands for room service meals blows my mind. That is expensive and a very rare treat for most.
DH and I were traveling over Xmas and we stayed in a hotel in Philly for a couple days.
We enjoyed breakfasts at Reading Terminal Market at the Dutch Eating Place and Down Home Diner (yay! scrapple!), but on Christmas, everything was closed. Instead of ordering room service for breakfast, we picked up yogurt, OJ and hard boiled eggs at WaWa (local convenience store), so there I was Xmas morning, peeling eggs in the bathroom sink!
We had free crappy coffee from the room Keurig.
Let's see Kate do that.

localyocul said...

Just Me said... 64
Phillymagazine did a really good interview with Jon.

http://www.phillymag.com/articles/jon-gosselin-wilderness/5/

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Sounds like she took him to court over the gun incident. Modification ordering a gun safe.

localyocul said...

Ughh, throwing the F-bomb around and peeing in his friend's driveway is all the Jon haters need.

localyocul said...

Here's the thing. The Jon haters (probably Just Me among them) say this article with the swearing drinking and smoking is the real Jon. Then how do they explain their perfect princess falling in love with and marrying him? I think she was just as wild in her youth. But, he does need to grow up.

Paula said...

And what many of us believed and now confirmed by Jon...The texts that Hailey claimed came from Jon were totally fake.

getofftwitter said...

I agree with everyone so far. I want to add: in show biz it's the parents who need to stay grounded, and that then over flows to the child staying grounded. Unfortunately, most parents of child stars & some of those in the reality garbage, see there kids as their winning lottery ticket to financial freedom of having to go work and not do anything else in life. And it is the poor kid or kids who end up screwed up for life. Several come to mind, Miley Cyrus, nice clean sweet kid, turns 18 and goes to hell(soon as that Disney contract was over, off came the hair, she went punk, which is ok,though her younger fans & there parents were not happy). Gets a taste of sex(having a BF), and goes wild. Sweet innocent girls don't do what she did at that award show on stage or appear nake in a video. It maybe her way of f-off Disney image, she could have picked a better way. Her singing is ok, her actions are disturbing. Then I think of all the kids in Different Strokes, 2 are dead, the third has been in & out of prison. Even an real old TV show Family Affair, the girl who played Buffy, thought she was special, they found her in the street at 18 dead of an over dose. So many kid actors never made the transfer to adult actor, they either dropped out of acting, got into drugs, went to jail/prison or died. It's sad. To their parents they were little ATM's, a way to easy street.

Meagler said...

Localyocal... I agree. Not the finer side of Jon.

I wonder what they talked about in that motel they went to after the reporter asked specific questions about the alleged abuse of his children..........

getofftwitter said...

That Jon Philly article is somewhat eye opening. Jon does sound like a normal/mundane/mediocre/average/etc person. I loved it when her refer to Kate as an a---hole. Cause we all know she is one. Jon was very frank about things. That is why Kate has been very quiet too. So has her lackeys. Can't wait to see what her lackeys will say, especially Goody, and the others. Get the popcorn ready.

Paula said...

Let's see, this interview takes place as he is being sued by his ex-wife and you all want happy, happy talk from him? Put yourself in his place and have some empathy for what his devil of an ex-wife has and continues to put him through.

OrangeCrusher1 said...

I can't say that Jon Gosselin is terribly appealing in the Philly mag article, but I think he is honest. I did like his comment on the ex's Twitter habit:

“Yeah, Twitter,” he says in between drags. “I deleted it last year. Best thing I ever did. I can disappear. Nobody knows where I am.” @Kateplusmy8, meanwhile, is going strong at 174,000 followers. This enrages Jon. “She tweets everything. To the world, all about my children. I think it’s disgusting and awful. They can’t even have a normal life.”

Serendipity said...

Gets a taste of sex(having a BF), and goes wild. Sweet innocent girls don't do what she did at that award show on stage or appear nake in a video

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Did she ever do an interview or make a statement that she had sex or was no longer a virgin? I don't remember. I know that some of those gals (and guys) tell everything on talk shows and tabs about their first experiences and name names.

Rhymes with Witch said...

Let's see, this interview takes place as he is being sued by his ex-wife and you all want happy, happy talk from him? 73

That is a very good point. Note that nothing was said about the lawsuit being dropped with prejudice.

Serendipity said...

I suppose shutting the place down was easier for filming, since they wouldn't have to get consent from random strangers to broadcast them on national tv.

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True. but didn't Steve shut down a bathroom so that Kate could pee in private? They didn't do any filming in there!

Meagler said...

Oh I still like Jon, I dont like they drank and then drove.

I do not think it does much for Jon's brand to take a leak in his friends driveway while a reporter is in tow. The Jon haters will crucify him for that. But perhaps this is his FU moment. :)

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

He sounds like he's absolutely had it with Kate's crap from the lawsuit to exploiting his kids on twitter.

a&E says Phil is back. They couldn't care less about gay rights, they just want to make money.

Tucker's Mom said...

. I want to stay and talk, but he gets me out of there pretty quickly, and tells me I can’t write about his kids’ stuff. (He gets the kids one day a week and every other weekend.)
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Yeah, Jon!

Paula said...

I agree admin - on both of your points. I think Jon was just letting it all out with that interview. Need to vent to someone....

Also, we all knew A&E had no intention of letting Phil go....As with any "reality" show it's all about the money all of the time. Matters not to me as I've never watched one second of Duck Dynasty nor do I intend to begin now.

Serendipity said...

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack 24 Dec
pic.twitter.com/Iigl1lwZhQ Enemy death & sickness took mine away! #Reflecting on the loss of loved ones in my life! Hard 2say good-bye...

Is Milo missing in action? This was kind of a strange tweet, even for her (click on pic link). I thought she was all about positivity, sunshine and lollipops..

getofftwitter said, "I loved it when her refer to Kate as an a---hole. Cause we all know she is one."

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I didn't love it. It's really doesn't speak well of him to call the mother of his kids that name. But, you know, maybe at that point he just had it up to there with her and he doesn't care anymore. You can only take so much and you have to vent and let loose. Regardless, though, maybe he should have thought about it before he said that.

Localyocul said...

Meagler said... 71
Localyocal... I agree. Not the finer side of Jon.

I wonder what they talked about in that motel they went to after the reporter asked specific questions about the alleged abuse of his children..........

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I wondered too what he said off the record. I have the same feeling of disappointment I had when he went crazy after the divorce. I think he's drinking too much and I think those poor kids lost the parent lottery big time. Sigh

A Mom said...

Jon & Kate on Radar a few minutes ago.

Katykat said...

Thanks, for the kind comments. Working for Disney was a fun summer/holiday job. My other personal favorites include Nancy Reagan, Michael Jackson, and Billy Joel/ Christie Brinkley w their daughter, Alexa--still in a stroller. All just as nice as can be. No security of any sort for BJ and CB. Henry Kissinger and the Mrs. brought their grandchildren through Small World one year and the SS had to ride through the ride twice...first time to make sure the singing dolls weren't armed, and then w/ the family.
My MIL works in guest relations now her favorite has been Drew Brees and family. Least favorites include, Justin Bieber and...Kate.
SHOCKER! :)

PatK said...

Fired Up 4 Kate‏@MiloandJack16m
@Kateplusmy8 Sure hope ur enjoying family time...catching up w/friends! Be careful on the road & we look 4ward 2hearing fr U soon! :)

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Is Milo privy to more inside info or is she just trying to stir up sh*t again?

Kirkland said...

Here's the link to the Radar article:

Everyone knows Kate Gosselin is an a**hole

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

This is the guy who gave his wife a Kate iPhone case:

Jack Kelly ‏@JackOnTheMap 55s
@AnneKLLyons @Kateplusmy8 Don't care about Jon. Just want Kate back on TV. Got screwed out of The View. Kate should have been a host.
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His wife posts here right, or am I confused?

Susantoyota said...

A Mom said... 84
Jon & Kate on Radar a few minutes ago.
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Anybody want to bet on who called ROL? TFMJG or Milo?

Kate is a twit said...

In other news, PA Governor Tom Corbett signed into law a bill updating PA's child abuse laws.

http://www.mondaq.com/unitedstates/x/283316/Family+Law/Reforming+Child+Abuse+Laws+In+Pennsylvania

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

"In print, Kate is often described as “shrewish,” which sounds mean and possibly sexist, until you watch the show and realize it’s accurate."

This writer doesn't mince words, does he?

Interesting that the sheeple were saying that Jon was begging to compete on DWTS. Jon says he was offered it, but turned it down. I believe him. At this point, he has no reason to lie...he's not out to prove anything to anyone. He tells it like it is (and was).

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

A Mom said... 84
Jon & Kate on Radar a few minutes ago.

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Radar what?

LeeLee said...

Update on hubby's TFW tweet: he is now getting tweets and is being retweeted by Kate's fans. He has entered troll mode and is toying with his new friends. For their own sake, I hope someone clues them in. My honey sure likes to play with his prey.

Thanks for the Jon article link. It was an interesting read. He seemed honest, but I have to agree that the drinking, smoking and public urination are very un appealing, though didn't sound like he was trying to charm anyone.
Might watch him on couples therapy just to see, but he still struck me as being pretty immature and self-centered. I give him credit for having a change of heart about filming the kids, but suspect if he hadn't been fed up with it for himself, he may not have seen it as bad for the kids.

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

Jack Kelly ‏@JackOnTheMap 15m
@AnneKLLyons @Kateplusmy8 Don't care about Jon. Just want Kate back on TV. Got screwed out of The View. Kate should have been a host.

LeeLee -- is this your hubby again? Question -- why is he tweeting Kate like he is a fan? I'm confused.

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

Lauren ‏@ljohnson2006 4m
The only person I feel bad for when Jon Gosselin slams @Kateplusmy8 in the press are their kids. Obviously he could care less about them.

Yep, Lauren, he obviously COULDN'T care less about the kids. That's why he pulled the plug on the show. He could have continued, earned mega-bucks doing it, but he ended it all because he knew that filming was not in the best interest of his children.

Kate is a twit said...

Lauren ‏@ljohnson2006 1m
The only person I feel bad for when Jon Gosselin slams @Kateplusmy8 in the press are their kids. Obviously he could care less about them.

The sheeple are bashing Jon for what he said about Kate and feel that it is harmful to the children.

Yet, when Kate sued Jon, they were cheering her on, not even thinking about what effect that would have on the children. They're only concerned about the children when Jon says something negative about their mother. When Kate says something negative about Jon, they seem to forget that he is the children's father and don't care how that may affect the children.

Anonymous said...

What in the world - does Jon think everyone is his friend so he has no filters? I don't care how angry he is after all these years, nor do I blame him, but the interview is one long obscenity-filled tirade, combined with driving after consuming at least three drinks and pissing in a friend's driveway instead of going inside. Grow up, Jon. You claim to understand the media machine but you obviously don't. These interviewers are not your friends. They'll get more eyes on the story if it's salacious, and you gave them the goods. You actually sound worse than Kate. At least she tries to be sly when she does it. The kids will see all this. They may not catch the subtle nature of Kate throwing their father under the bus yet, but they WILL understand these words. I feel so sorry for those poor, innocent kids. Their parents are both hopeless at this point.
FRP

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...


The sheeple are bashing Jon for what he said about Kate and feel that it is harmful to the children.

Yet, when Kate sued Jon, they were cheering her on, not even thinking about what effect that would have on the children.


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I'm sorry Jon comes across as so upset and "had it" in that article. I didn't like the reporter's snide tone either. However this was in the middle of the lawsuit. You don't get to poke and poke and poke someone then cry foul when they've finally had enough. It's a complete set up. And what the heck with the article not even mentioning that Kate dropped the suit?

I see to he passed on DWTS. Not everyone would do it too.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...


The sheeple are bashing Jon for what he said about Kate and feel that it is harmful to the children.

Yet, when Kate sued Jon, they were cheering her on, not even thinking about what effect that would have on the children.

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I really get the sense he's over trying to kill her with kindness. It obviously hasn't worked and you can only keep it up for so long with someone like her. Maybe he's trying to be very firm with her now, enough with Mr. nice guy. He definitely called it like he saw it in that article, totally different than how he's spoken about Kate before, with restraint. He's over it, he's done.

With a parental alienator, you try anything.

Paula said...

I agree Admin...the lawsuit may have been the last straw for Jon. He's done playing it Kate's way. Everyone has their breaking point.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Does anyone else think he sounds kind of suddenly resentful of how this has all turned out? Like the lawsuit pushed hi m over the edge. I don't think he's mad at the kids or even Kate really, but rather mad at himself. I think he may be feeling disappointed and frustrated that he has never been able to get through to Kate and move on. As much as it's sad they can't co-parent for the kids, it has got to be equally tough for a parent sincerely trying to co-parent to not be able to. I'm wondering if he feels like a failure and it's all sort of catching up, years later. I feel bad for the guy but in all honesty, he has the self control of a child. I think more therapy would help.

LeeLee said...

Correction: Hubs is playing with haters and/or sheeple at this point. I never followed the twitter war, so I don't know all the names, but he keeps chuckling to himself over there. Someone calling herself Chablis is getting a little nasty. When the topic is abuse or parental-alienation or filming children, I understand getting worked up, but the honey is joking about how good she was on DWTS, and this hater is starting to steam. What's up with that?

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

The a-hole comment is a perfect example of Jon really learning nothing about how to handle the media. Unless maybe he just doesn't care at this point and is in F-it mode.

What he was saying is that everyone knows the suit was bogus and Kate was just being a jerk. That it wasn't really about him doing anything nefarious but rather about Kate just stretching her jerk, a-hole muscles. That's what everyone essentially said, both here and all around the media--he is not at all inaccurate with that statement.

By simple saying it a different way, for instance perhaps "everyone knows Kate's lawsuit is more about pounding her chest putting on a big show to try to stop the book than any really sincere belief I did something wrong", the same message is expressed without sounding like a jerk.

But because he said a-hole, the statement immediately, and not surprisingly, gets twisted as Jon is calling her an a-hole.

I'm glad though he explained why Hailey's texts couldn't be true, because he didn't even have that carrier then and can prove that. I'm glad he finally got to set the record straight on something. I'm guessing that that information was passed along to Kate and that's when she caved. It all makes perfect sense now. She hung her hat on those texts. When Hailey saw she was serious about using them, it suddenly became more than just Hailey shit stirring so Hailey ran scared and was hard to track down. Then Kate found out they couldn't possibly be true and had no choice but to limp out of the suits pretending nothing ever happened.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

This writer doesn't mince words, does he?

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I didn't like his tone. I think what he said about Kate there and Jon was over the top and unnecessary. Is this a piece of journalism or one guy being a grade A jerk? I feel like he's trying to be funny, sort of crotchety like Andy Rooney, but he's not clever or talented so it just comes across as being a tool. With that tone, no one will want to give him an interview. I don't agree with The View style of journalism where they just kiss butt but this is too far the other way.

LeeLee said...

FRP, seeing it the same way. Maybe too many drinks, maybe his friendship with Robert has him thinking all reporters are his pals. He was being honest, I think, but he should be guarded too. He stood up for his kids, by shooing the reporter out of his house, but then is his own worst enemy by letting it all hang out (figuratively and literally). This one is a fail, I'm afraid.

Sleepless In Seattle said...

I'm guessing that that information was passed along to Kate and that's when she caved. It all makes perfect sense now. She hung her hat on those texts. When Hailey saw she was serious about using them, it suddenly became more than just Hailey shit stirring so Hailey ran scared and was hard to track down.

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If those texts were bogus, then Jon never said that he wanted to put a nail in Kate's coffin. Where does that leave Goody and Gladys, and some of the few remaining sheep? They were so fixated on that coffin thing.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Jon says he was offered it, but turned it down. I believe him. At this point, he has no reason to lie

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And if ABC never offered it to him they would be the first to say wait a second that is absolutely not true we want nothing to do with Jon.

You'd be nuts to say that if it weren't true since it can and probably would be refuted by ABC themselves. Plus he just had a fairly decent interview on The View, owned by ABC. They may want him back at some point, so it's not in his best interest to lie about offers he's had. I believe him too.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

LeeLee will your husband marry me? Oh wait he's YOUR husband. Phooey!!

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...


If those texts were bogus, then Jon never said that he wanted to put a nail in Kate's coffin. Where does that leave Goody and Gladys, and some of the few remaining sheep? They were so fixated on that coffin thing.

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Guess it'll have to be cremation now?

Kate is a twit said...

Did anyone notice that one of the first comments on the Philly article was made by Al Walentis. He's still trying to sell his book(he added a link to his Amazon page). He thinks he is the know-all, be-all of the Gosselin saga. He still can't stand it that Robert got the real goods on Kate. Jealous much, Al?

Greedy Gosselins said...

Thanks for understanding PJ, JMO, Joy and Tucker's mom! How fortunate we are to have gained another family member! It really is just the 3 of us (including Taffy). My parents are deceased and I have no siblings.

And then there's Kate who has her siblings, their spouses, their children, and her parents and sure doesn't seem to appreciate THEM much.

Anyway, my son is over the moon about this upcoming trip. I'm not sure if he's more excited that he has a Great Aunty or that he gets to go to Disneyland! He's emailed her pictures of Taffy and they've been busy emailing back and forth. It's very sweet. She's sent pictures of the pool at her community and says she's going to teach him how to drive a golf cart! Annnnnnnnnd now I'm going on and on.

We are very, very grateful for this lovely lady who's come into our lives.

Oh, a quick question. What would you suggest as a thank you gift when we arrive? It would have to be plane travel friendly. Any ideas would be great!

LeeLee said...

Fleecing, Yup, that's my guy, just having a laugh. He's gotten lots of tweets from haters and sheeple today, and started having a go with them. I warned him that he's on his own now, I'm not going anywhere near that twitter battleground.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Did anyone else notice the reporter said that Robert gave him a complete copy of Kate's journal? The reporter said he read it and it would be pretty impressive for Robert to have faked the entries, they are just that credible and real.

Funny, I said the same thing months ago after reading portions of it. That it would be very difficult for a man to have the depth of understanding of what it means to be a wife, mother and woman to fake such a thing.

Jumping In said...

Perhaps it's my age, but I believe in choosing my words carefully when talking about others, regardless of my feelings, negative or otherwise.

I understand Jon's frustration, but using expletives when describing his wife and their relationship cheapens his case. Yes, he is entitled to the feelings he has, but he could express them with more sensitivity, if only for his children's sake.

While Kate speeds when driving, we have Jon is driving back roads after drinking. These two have 8 children who need mature parents, and while Jon still comes across as the more loving parent, they both still seem awfully immature.

My wish for this family in 2014 is that they fade into absurdity, not a single word in public from either parent.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

they both still seem awfully immature.

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IT's almost like they're both stuck at the age they were when they started the show. 20-something, rather immature 20-somethings, diving head first into the ridiculousness of having eight kids, diving head first into a big contract with a powerful network like it's all lollipops and rainbows. As much as we talk about the dangers of reality shows damaging the children I really think that for these two particular adults, fame and this reality show really stunted them as well and I don't see that either of them has grown all that much. Just when you think Jon gets it he reverts back and does something stupid again. It's like they can't help themselves.

Rhymes with Witch said...

His hater is starting to steam. What's up with that? 102

The tweeters on both sides take this war very seriously indeed

Rhymes with Witch said...

This hater

Dang phone

LeeLee said...

Lol, Admin. I'm the only one crazy enough to put up with him- never can tell, after 15 years, when I'm the one being trolled (which is often). Good thing he's so good looking.
Greedy, I'm thinking framed photos of her new family members, perhaps a series showing your son from infancy to today. My family just went to Disneyland in November for first time, just one day. It was a blast and we will return. Happy for you, understand how lonely it can feel without extended family in one's life.

NJGal51 said...

Oh, a quick question. What would you suggest as a thank you gift when we arrive? It would have to be plane travel friendly. Any ideas would be great!
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Greedy Gosselins - Might I suggest a pretty frame to put the nice family picture in that you're going to take with her at Disneyland. She's as lucky to have you in her life as you are to have her in yours. It will be something that she'll treasure.

Mel said...

Just when you think Jon gets it he reverts back and does something stupid again. It's like they can't help themselves.
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Over and over and over. Those poor kids....

Anonymous said...

Greedy Gosselins said... 111
Oh, a quick question. What would you suggest as a thank you gift when we arrive? It would have to be plane travel friendly. Any ideas would be great!

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Might I suggest a little photo album of your son's life? Photos from birth to present day to make great-auntie a part of his life? She'd have a brag book to share with her friends. And you could always add more photos as your relationship grows.

PJ

1momski said...

Jon sounds like he was talking to one of his buddies, not a reporter. I doubt he ever thought these quotes would make it into print. A big mistake though , to give Kate a volley to hit back. She will be trying to set the record straight for sure.

localyocul said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 103
The a-hole comment is a perfect example of Jon really learning nothing about how to handle the media. Unless maybe he just doesn't care at this point and is in F-it mode.

What he was saying is that everyone knows the suit was bogus and Kate was just being a jerk. That it wasn't really about him doing anything nefarious but rather about Kate just stretching her jerk, a-hole muscles. That's what everyone essentially said, both here and all around the media--he is not at all inaccurate with that statement.

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I interpreted it a little differently. I thought he was referring to her allegation that he has damaged her reputation and he was saying, "say what? everyone already knows she is an asshole."

localyocul said...

Couples therapy airs Jan 2nd? Ohh boy

Sleepless In Seattle said...

Funny, I said the same thing months ago after reading portions of it. That it would be very difficult for a man to have the depth of understanding of what it means to be a wife, mother and woman to fake such a thing.

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Yes, and to be able to write in the same "style" that Kate speaks. Not impossible to pull off, but highly unlikely and it would require a lot of skill and consistency.

If it's one thing I believe in this whole sordid mess it's that those journals, e-mails, notes were all penned by Kate.

Gail said...

Put yourself in his place and have some empathy for what his devil of an ex-wife has and continues to put him through.


I still wouldn't pee in someone's driveway. Nor would I barhop and then drink and drive. He's disgusting just like Kate. Slimy...

capecodmama said...

What was the point of the article in Philly magazine? Anyone? All I can say is holy cow. I read the comments and someone said there was a warrant out for Al's arrest. Don't know if that's true.

Greedy Gosselins said...

I think Jon was just letting it all out with that interview. Need to vent to someone....

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The problem is that Jon just doesn't think. Venting to a REPORTER is probably not the decision we would make. Nor would most of us relieve ourselves in a friend's driveway while a reporter is present.

Also. wth with all the drinking and driving?? He's going to kill someone!

He comes off as a walking contradiction. Reality tv is bad yet he's allowed to do it? How confusing. Jon, please grow up. Quietly and away from the public. Gah.

Sleepless In Seattle said...

I didn't like his tone. I think what he said about Kate there and Jon was over the top and unnecessary.

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I agree. I didn't either. However, I would have preferred this to another one of those darn fluff pieces.

url/URL said...

What in the world - does Jon think everyone is his friend so he has no filters? I don't care how angry he is after all these years, nor do I blame him, but the interview is one long obscenity-filled tirade, combined with driving after consuming at least three drinks and pissing in a friend's driveway instead of going inside. Grow up, Jon. You claim to understand the media machine but you obviously don't. These interviewers are not your friends. They'll get more eyes on the story if it's salacious, and you gave them the goods. You actually sound worse than Kate. At least she tries to be sly when she does it. The kids will see all this. They may not catch the subtle nature of Kate throwing their father under the bus yet, but they WILL understand these words. I feel so sorry for those poor, innocent kids. Their parents are both hopeless at this point.
FRP

EXCELLENT FRP. Exactly what I think!

lukebandit said...

I rechecked on the Vitamin K. The more darker green you eat the more Vitamin K and it thickens your blood. You have to take blood thinners to thin it out. The lower your I and R is the thicker your blood is and higher, thinner. I have this problem and it is a battle to make the staff here stay on top of it.

Can't believe Jon turned down DWTS. He could of really gotten some good support and a new fan base. Then when TFW filed the lawsuit, he would of had even more people behind him.

That reporter was horrible. Jon may need to get some AA counseling. A glass bowl filled with beer caps, let's take a shot, a very tall glass of beer, whiskey. Then driving the back roads right after. The last thing those kids need is for something bad to happen to him.

So TFW got it fixed to make Jon get a gun safe. So why can't Jon go to court and get a gag order on kate from mentioning or posting pictures the kids on twitter or on any media. Jon's right. They can't have a normal life when she is tweeting everyday several times a day about the kids and embarrassing them. He didn't talk about his children in the interview.

Sleepless In Seattle said...

It looks like the non-fans don't know that LeeLee's husband is on there, having some fun. They think he's a woman!

Greedy Gosselins said...

PJ, NJGal and PJ, that is PERFECT!!!! Thank you gals SO very much for that thoughtful idea! I'm getting right on that! Seriously, thank you all so much...I could almost cry, the idea is THAT good.

Susantoyota said...

I'm definitely team Jon, but as soon as I read the Philly Magazine article I thought he would have done well to remember the advice of Ma Ingalls as quoted below:

If wisdom’s ways you wisely seek,
Five things observe with care,
To whom you speak,
Of whom you speak,
And how and when and where.

Sleepless In Seattle said...

Nor would most of us relieve ourselves in a friend's driveway while a reporter is present.

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I can't remember the last time I peed in a driveway, friend's or enemy's, but if I ever decide to do it, I'll make sure a reporter or the paps aren't hiding in the shrubbery as I celebrate that special moment in my life.

sunny said...

That article was horrible. Jon came off like a 17 year old boy, not a supposedly older, wiser 36 year old father of 8. Hey Jon? Grow the F up. Why oh why do you take 1 step forward and 10 back?

Hey sheeple? See how this is done? No sugar coating here, nor do we piss on each other's legs and tell ourselves it's raining like ya'll do. We can put our big girl panties on and admit the truth when need be. Not make up elaborate fabrications and refuse to acknowledge how much of a loser Kate is....... like you are known to do.

Mark my words said...

Jon and Kate are both douches. Those poor, poor kids. I'm tired of the whole thing. I think the world is tired of them both. No one wants to hear what either of them has to say. This interview was just to stir up interest for couples therapy. A well planned article....you'll see a different Jon once they're able to help him on the show and he' ll be sorry for all he's said and done.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Hey the kids had their potties set up in the driveway once too. What's with this family and peeing in driveways?

Sunny, well said!

Sleepless In Seattle said...

Owner ‏@Owner09708009 14m
@Kateplusmy8 @JackOnTheMap Jon says world knows your a fu@&"'g a hole while pissing on the ground. Probable kids are screwed up.

Kate was pi$$ing on the ground? Sometimes you gotta love these misplaced modifiers! :-)

abc said...

How totally embarrassing for the kids. Like the other poster said, "one step forward, two steps back." Tuma must be cringing.

LeeLee said...

Excellent quote, Susantoyota. Today's lesson learned. Thanks.

abc said...

Sorry. It should read 1 step forward, 10 steps back. Fat-fingered on the cell.

LeeLee said...

Sleepless, 139
Why is that addressed to TFW and my husband? What has he gotten himself into? I swear, he's my third child; turn my back for 5 minutes...

Anonymous said...

sunny and abc, you both make great points. People like Tuma come alongside Jon to help him out of a bind and then he says crap like this during an interview. Tuma is not shy about his faith and Jon used to talk about his too, and now it was nothing but filth coming out of his pie hole, when he wasn't shoving a cigarette or booze in it, which of course the interviewer chose to highlight. He also said he was done with public life, and since then, he has filmed a short reality series, been on the Oprah network doing a 'where are they now' special, and given multiple interviews that were controversial (cue Kate's response and then Jon's rebuttal in the next day or so). I don't live a public life,and have never done a single one of those things! Nor would I ever want to do them! He speaks out of both sides of his mouth. Time to shut it like he said he would. He is only damaging himself - and his kids. Especially his kids.
FRP

Melissa NV said...

Hey the kids had their potties set up in the driveway once too. What's with this family and peeing in driveways?

Sunny, well said!

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Maybe piecing and patching is involved. It's one way to cut down on the sewer bill.

Kelly said...

He didn't talk about his children in the interview.

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Not in this particular interview. He's already thrown them under the bus in previous interviews. He makes me sick. He and Kate deserve each other. They're both walking contradictions and idiots.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

I hate to say conspiracy theory but over the top (to the point of not being credible) controversial interview just days before Celebrity Rehab? What, now everyone will tune in next week and see what's with this guy? If this is true, who is okay with being used like that?? It's nuts!

This will never end. They are both living out their nasty family law case in the public. For every tit the other answer with a tat. No one is willing to call a truce. Nothing can just be let go. No one can TRULY step away from the public eye. Everyone either ends up whining to the judge or whining to a reporter. This has to be one of the worst family law cases ever. This was obviously building in Jon. What we don't get to see is everything Kate has said and done to him that's pushed him to this point since she's smart enough not to do it in front of a reporter. I feel for those kids.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

IMO, expressing grave concerns about your children is not "throwing them under the bus." That's Kate's spin on things. Kate is clearly in utter denial about the kids' issues and the affect the lifestyle in the public eye has had on them. This current interview aside, I don't fault him for being concerned about his kids developmentally--he was the only one willing to face the facts. The only one willing to say it. It's not something to be ashamed of, rather it's something that's got to be faced.

Anonymous said...

This part of the interview really bugged me: “I started to think about my brand,” he says, explaining the larger meaning of this new gig. “I’m still technically famous. I mean, you’re here. Heh.” He continues: “How can you get people in the door? It’s not the entertainment industry, but it’s the food industry. Cross-branding marketing right there.” (An appraisal of the cross-branding marketing: By 10 p.m. there are three married couples at the end of the bar, a lone drinker to our left, and a co-worker who went to high school with Jon to our right.)
Jon gets up, asks me what I’m drinking, fixes himself a second whiskey, then forgets to bring me anything. “The main thing the tabloids did was separate me from my brand,” he says. “My brand was Jon & Kate Plus 8. Now that I’m divorced? My new brand, because of the tabloids, is Jon Gosselin.” He’s ambivalent about this. Mainly, he’s baffled that his post-Kate dalliances garnered the notoriety they did. “In 2009, I was on 52 covers. Most-photographed person in 2009.”

It's so arrogant. His brand??? Who gives a crap about his "BRAND"......that right there, combined with his recent actions/words, says (to me anyway) that he'd go back to garbage TV in a heartbeat. I mean, what normal person talks about him/herself that way? The tabloids separated him from his brand? My husband and I are aware of the 'brand' where we work, but not as individuals. Sheesh!
Rant over. Good night.
FRP

Starz22 said...

I'm so tired of hearing Jon should know better or want better for the kid's.
The man was beat down for years...in marriage and after the show. He had No say...he was made out to be a joke...a child...with no feelings or opinions...
So now he is finally feeling a little support. The world is seeing he wasn't a complete douche...that he really gave a shit about his marriage and kids.
As much as I would like Jon to remain silent...I can see why he can't.

Enough is enough ! I do believe Jon has had enough. Jon is not on twitter or facebook posting and posting everything about the kids. Jon has not written a book full of lies with the kids pictures all in smiles. Jon isn't lying about how the kids are screaming with joy just to be there with him. Jon hasn't lied about getting a pet the kids love more than life itself...
The man was abused...and given no hope...no matter what TFW came out smelling like a rose. Now the tides have changed. People are seeing TFW for what she really is.
Like many say...the kids will/have access to the internet...
Maybe with Jon speaking up...the kids will see that their voice can be heard and YES someone will listen!
I see nothing wrong with Jon calling out TFW...He's not putting the kids on display like TFW.
So what if he went on a reality show? It didn't revolve around the kids.
He got FREE therapy ...just like he said he couldn't afford.
So what if he was/on a reality show. He has moved passed it, and so should we.

Rhymes with Witch said...

IMO this was a ridiculous interview on both sides, start to finish.
Jon said things one should only say to a trusted friend.
The interviewer may have been trying to be clever but only succeeded in nasty sarcasm.
Hopefully the children won't feel any fallout, but there's no way for us to know, which is how it should be.

Rhymes with Witch said...

One more thing: I think one of the dangers of celebrity and faux celebrity is starting to believe the hype that the media puts out about you.
Worse yet is believing that it will never end.

Starz22 said...

Not seeing my post...it followed all the rules....

Amy said...

Really Jon?? Doing shots and then driving?? Driving while intoxicated is, dare I say, equal to or even worse than speeding. One of these retarded parents is going to end up killing someone or their own children.

Jon is a disappointing hot mess. Not much better than his horrible ex wife. So much for being the 'hero' parent.

Also, calling your children's mother obscenities is also a form of parental alienation. I don't care what 'drove him' to do this. Have some self respect! Relieving yourself on a friend's driveway after drinking and then driving? For god's sake, he's 36 years old!

Who are these beautiful kids to look to for guidance? One parent is a narcissistic fame hungry cold and distant controller and the other is a bratty, immature, scattered loser. What a mess.

Westbrooke said...

Jon's article was disappointing, the whole experience has made him angry and bitter. She was deplorable to him but he is has to grow up as well. It is time Jon.

capecodmama said...

sunny...136

Totally agree with your post. Nicely said.

1momski said...

very disjointedness in Jon. If Kate made such inflammatory statements, everyone would be suggesting she was doing it to drum up viewers for her upcoming appearance on Couples Therapy. There really is no excuse for this. How can you defend his calling his children's mother an a***hole publicly? Is this to help the children?

abc said...

My problem is not what he said about TFW, but the surrounding details: drinking, driving, peeing on friends driveway in front of a reporter, and his total arrogance and lack of self awareness (sounds like TFW doesn't it.) Both these idiots need a muzzle and to just go away.

Vanessa said...

Hi all, hope you had a great Christmas!!

Oh boy- Well, I think the booze loosened his lips a little too much. He should not have been drinking while giving an interview-stupid.
He came across so much better on the View. "pissing" in the driveway, 3 shots of whiskey (who knows if there wasn't more) smoking, swearing...not good Jonny boy, not good.
Sorry to say, but he comes across as some young 20 something, cruising around town because he's got nothing better to do. I could almost see the same words coming out of the "Situation's" mouth in the near future.

JMO said...

Amy said... 154
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I totally agree. Neither parent is a good role model or consider their kids first in their talk or actions. Clearly, the kids deserve so much better. The forecast for the kids with these two at the helm is bleak at best. Very disturbing and their excuses/behavior don't cut it.

JMO said...

F this, F that, peeing in front of a reporter at the car, and drinking and driving. I have no words. These kids drew the short straw with these 2 who both need a HUGE dose of reality of how all of their words and actions impact their children. All of the kids deserve so much better. Doubting it will ever happen at the juncture.

Mel said...

Yes, Jon was abused. And I cut him some slack at the time of the divorce. And yes, Kate is the worst ex ever.

But at some point the ball is in your lap. At some point you own it.
He will be in the nursing home at age 88, rocking back and forth, saying "But she....".

Mel said...

Tuma must be livid.

Mel said...

I think this is the real Jon. Sadly.
I can see why TFW thinks she's better than him, even though she's not.

The Empress Has New Clothes said...

Just when you think the whole thing couldn't get any more sordid. Ugh, I'm sorry to know what I now know about Jon. But I'll say this about his interview--something that cannot be said for TFW's: He came off as authentic, with no schtick to sell. His "brand" came through, loud and clear, for better and worse.

Formerly Duped said...

While I think Jon is the better parent, I am also disappointed in this interview. He seems to find it impossible to grow up. I think he was robbed of his 20's by Kate and remains a perpetual man- child.This article could also hurt the kids as well as their relationship with him if they read it, particularly the twins.

getofftwitter said...

Now, we wait for poor little picked on Katie Irene, to post her truth straightening post on her web site. Gee, Kate, you still gonna use that, I do it for the kids, or the poor momma of 8 kids, count them 8 kids? I do it myself or will you come up with new crap? Since, Kate has not tweeted since, Dec 25, she is probably having a hissy fit, and calling her lawyer 24/24. What's the phrase: can I sue? We all know, if she does a rebuttal, she will or ROL, will get some source: Deanna, Jamie or her non-existed PR, or her-self to contact ROL, saying, what a terrible thing Jon said, and that this will ruin her chances(like she had any) to get back on TV. And how poor she is(not to mention the money she just spend on Xmas presents, bird, new car, etc). Same crap different day/year.

LisaNH said...

I read the interview and where Jon went wrong was his language. Maybe he doesn't know any better, but he should not have referred to his ex as an "a***hole". And the F-word was a real turn off. Using that type of language isn't going to win people over. In fact it seems like it has turned people off on Jon. They were already turned off by Kate, now Jon (according to the comments I read on the article).

I guess this goes to show that both Jon and Kate are abraisive and have no common sense. Jon did himself no favors by what he said and how he said it, in that interview.

Mel said...

I would think if the therapy show wanted him to do an interview to drum up interest, they would have arranged one for him....or maybe not. Maybe he came up with the idea on his own.
In some ways I can see why TFW felt she had to do all his thinking for him.

Localyocul said...

Reading from the bottom up an I must say at the very least this proves that we aren't sheeple. I wish I could adopt those kids.

Localyocul said...

Amy said... 154
Really Jon?? Doing shots and then driving?? Driving while intoxicated is, dare I say, equal to or even worse than speeding. One of these retarded parents is going to end up killing someone or their own children.

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Not to mention drinking while carrying a gun. I think TFW may use this article in Family Court

Q said...

"As far as Hoffman’s allegations go, suffice it to say their veracity depends mostly on whether one considers spanking abusive behavior or not. "
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So I guess pulling by the hair and whipping into a crib is not abuse. WTH.

Localyocul said...

I hope a family court judge forces him into rehab. REAL rehab.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

So I guess pulling by the hair and whipping into a crib is not abuse. WTH.

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Big WTH. I guess he did not read it carefully. This goes WAY beyond a simple debate over whether spanking is abuse or not. Read her journals. It's not just about a little spanking or this would not have gone on like it did.

chefsummer said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 7
I wonder what Kate would do if the kids say something similar to what Karen just said when they grow up
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I don't think she care one bit. And of course she'd play the victim of the poor single struggling mom of 8 with a deadbeat ex.

Or she blame the kids for not knowing how much mom did for then and being sooo ungrateful.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...


Yes, Jon was abused. And I cut him some slack at the time of the divorce. And yes, Kate is the worst ex ever.

But at some point the ball is in your lap. At some point you own it.
He will be in the nursing home at age 88, rocking back and forth, saying "But she....".

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Agree agree agree Mel. I think lots of people gave him a huge amount of space to work out the kinks and a huge amount of support. But we're several years later now, and it's time for him to man up.

He is now at the point where he needs to deal with his problems in a mature and appropriate manner. Or, if he can't fix his problems, he needs to get therapy to learn how to accept that this is how things are going to be. For instance, I think it's pretty clear now Kate is always going to be a parental alienator. I don't see that changing anytime soon. I don't see that anything Jon has done has changed that. So at this point, he has to get therapy to find some sort of acceptance of that and figure out how to go on with life and live with his ex being like that. Turning to alcohol and cursing and "bad boy" behavior to vent his frustrations is not productive.

JMO said...

The Empress Has New Clothes said... 165
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Sorry but he acted like a spoiled, angry, drunk, uncouth, entitled person, who can not control himself, his feelings, language, behavior and did not once consider his kids or how this would impact on them.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Both are all about themselves, and I feel terrible for the kids. No excuses.

Jon should have taken a cue from Tuma, who is a class act and stood by him in the lawsuit. Guess gratitude is not one of Jon's strong suits.

chefsummer said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 167
So I guess pulling by the hair and whipping into a crib is not abuse. WTH.

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Big WTH. I guess he did not read it carefully.
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It's sick isn't it that people-(her fans) care so little about the 8 kids that were abused.

Seems like KK can do no wrong to her fans and it sad. As if abusing her children & animals isn't horrible. She has to sue their father and bash him ever chance she get.

She even ignores her fans when she feels like it and doesn't tell them about her. Appearances and they put up with it so I don't feel her them one bit.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

I do feel bad for Tuma too. He is one of many who really believed in Jon, who was willing to stand up and say no you're not going to be steam rolled by this crazy woman yet again. No, there is someone competent here who will finally fight for you who doesn't have ulterior motives here. And he wrote darn fine briefs and got Jon out of an incredible fix.

Yet this is how it works sometimes as an attorney. You can give your heart and soul to a client and fight with every last breath you have for them, and then they'll go out there and squander all your good will. Tuma I'm sure knows that, but it's still hard to see.

Localyocul said...

Guess Jon's pic will be staying at the top of the blog

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

It never was in danger of leaving. The banner pic will always stand for Jon's role in this mess regardless what he does after.

The Empress Has New Clothes said...

JMO said... 173
The Empress Has New Clothes said... 165
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Sorry but he acted like a spoiled, angry, drunk, uncouth, entitled person, who can not control himself, his feelings, language, behavior and did not once consider his kids or how this would impact on them.

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Whoa, we're on the same page! My comment wasn't as explicit as yours, but I thought I made that clear…?

Authenticity doesn't always mean appropriate, and I most certainly didn't read Jon that way. No, I didn't say it outright, because I didn't feel it was necessary. It's fairly obvious that there's not much good to be said about this interview, save for the fact that Jon gave us the unvarnished truth about himself & his circumstances. Unlike TFW. That was my point. Guess the lead on my pencil could've been a bit sharper. :)

NJGal51 said...

Jon is his own worst enemy and it sounds like he was on a Charlie Sheen tiger blood rant. SMH.

That being said, I won't say a word about his language because I drop the F-bomb the way others say "darn". It doesn't make me a bad person, it just makes me a Jersey girl who says "fu€k". Sorry, but some of us curse and I won't be a hypocrite about it.

Laughing. said...

LeeLee, it looks like the jig is up and everyone over on twitter has caught on to your husband. It was fun while it lasted.

@UseCmmonSense: @FireyTopaz1 @Sarelya23 @bitemeaholes @Chablis4u @ashymama2 @JackOnTheMap @Kateplusmy8 Just read this on 15 Jacks KGpic was gag gift 4 phone

@FireyTopaz1: @UseCmmonSense @Sarelya23 @bitemeaholes @Chablis4u @JackOnTheMap @Kateplusmy8 Yep. He appears to be pulling everyone's leg. Fans& non fans

Vanessa said...

Not to mention drinking while carrying a gun. I think TFW may use this article in Family Court
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AND USING HIS CELL PHONE!! pathetic

Vanessa said...

LisaNH said... 166
I read the interview and where Jon went wrong was his language. Maybe he doesn't know any better, but he should not have referred to his ex as an "a***hole". And the F-word was a real turn off.
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But he DOES know better, the Round Table interview? The View?
He was under the influence, it seemed a bit manic to me too.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

NJ I feel the same way you do about cursing but here's the thing, I don't care if you curse and I've done it too. But, you have to turn it off in certain situations. There are many situations where I turn the cursing off.

It wasn't so much the cursing itself, it was his lack of self control and awareness to understand he should have turned it off for this interview. It makes him sound angry and lacking self control, even if he isn't, and he should know that. For all we know many celebs curse like a sailor too, but most turn it off whenever they're in the public eye.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...


LeeLee, it looks like the jig is up and everyone over on twitter has caught on to your husband. It was fun while it lasted.

@UseCmmonSense: @FireyTopaz1 @Sarelya23 @bitemeaholes @Chablis4u @ashymama2 @JackOnTheMap @Kateplusmy8 Just read this on 15 Jacks KGpic was gag gift 4 phone

@FireyTopaz1: @UseCmmonSense @Sarelya23 @bitemeaholes @Chablis4u @JackOnTheMap @Kateplusmy8 Yep. He appears to be pulling everyone's leg. Fans& non fans

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Tad slow on the uptake aren't they? LeeLee tell your husband thanks for the laughs! Too much!

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...


One more thing: I think one of the dangers of celebrity and faux celebrity is starting to believe the hype that the media puts out about you.
Worse yet is believing that it will never end.

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An old Hollywood great once said the same thing. Richard Attenborough said never believe your own publicity. Wise words.

Over In TFW's County said...

Tad slow on the uptake aren't they? LeeLee tell your husband thanks for the laughs! Too much!

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The sheeple have done this here and report back to their flock while laughing all the way, but we're pretty fast and "out" them right away!

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Not seeing my post...it followed all the rules....

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You always post in the middle of the night when the staff is dead asleep. There's no night shift! Your posts will always be delayed unless you can come on earlier.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

The interviewer may have been trying to be clever but only succeeded in nasty sarcasm.

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I don't even like the tone he took about things he said about KATE, and I think she of all people doesn't deserve a whole lot of slack. But what he said about her was totally unnecessary and over the top. Hint: Respect wins the day when you a journalist. This bad boy nasty thing because it's funny is not funny at all actually.

I can't even imagine if he did an entire interview with this tone about Kate, her fans would blow a gasket.

Over In TFW's County said...

That being said, I won't say a word about his language because I drop the F-bomb the way others say "darn". It doesn't make me a bad person, it just makes me a Jersey girl who says "fu€k". Sorry, but some of us curse and I won't be a hypocrite about it.

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True. some do, and some don't. I don't and never have, and therefore don't have to worry if I drop the bomb in public when I shouldn't. If I ever would use any of those words, my kids would think I've lost my mind and sanity and haul me off for a psychiatric evaluation!

Does Kate curse? I have no idea, but at least she shows restraint in the media. Jon does need to clean it up if he's going to be doing interviews. Language like that really doesn't make him look good, especially from someone who early on presented himself (Kate, too) as being such good Christians, praying for help in supporting the kids, leaving scripture verses plastered on mirrors, and making the rounds at churches. I wonder if there was a lot of bleeping out words on the scheduled therapy show.

URL said...

Jon's interview was beyond terrible. I assume he wasn't thinking straight when he was drinking at the establishment he works at, then drives to two other bars and then drives to a friend's driveway to take a pee, making sure he showed off his gun also to the interviewer. In the same interview he called his ex an ass, but he said and did things that indicated he is a bigger asshole than TFW. That is very hard to admit. He also had to mention his beer pong contest at the local college where he was winning. I also remember something similar regarding this but it was in Florida not that local college. Maybe he was partying at several universities. Those poor kids need therapy for having to deal with both their loser parents. That interview was a disaster for his "brand" (had to laugh at whatever that meant).

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

Tuma is a good man, attorney, husband and father. I don't know why anyone should feel sorry for him. He defended Jon against a piece of crap lawsuit and did a great job of doing so. His reputation won't be ruined because Jon can't keep his mouth shut.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

I seem to remember hearing Kate does curse, but at least she has the good sense to turn it off so we don't know.

The celeb I worked for actually never cursed. Not once. Not even so much as a darn when they dropped the soap bar. To their credit. But, the staff did, like sailors. And so did the kids. And celeb was fine with it, it wasn't a battle they chose to pick. But again, when someone came over for an interview or company was around, it was expected the cursing was turned off like a light switch and everyone was perfect gentlemen and ladies. Same goes for the kids at school. I don't care if it's F this F that in our home but at school you are to behave. No one would ever know the nasty words that fly around that house.

There are a decent amount of studies about how cursing helps people feel better and releases tension. I'm sure that's not true of all people. Some people might just feel uncomfortable cursing. But like I said, if you take up cursing, much like any habit, you have to be aware of your audience. You don't smoke in a small crowded room because it's rude, just like you don't curse around certain people depending on the situation. And this was one of those situations where it was not wise.

Over In TFW's County said...

Jon should have taken a cue from Tuma, who is a class act and stood by him in the lawsuit. Guess gratitude is not one of Jon's strong suits.

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How did Jon betray Tuma? Yes, he showed an angry side of him, one who was fed up with Kate's actions, and his behavior during that interview was much less than stellar, but he didn't say anything about not appreciating Tuma's work for him, or being ungrateful for what he did.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...


Tuma is a good man, attorney, husband and father. I don't know why anyone should feel sorry for him.

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Well, because he believed so strongly in Jon and believed that he does not deserve this mess, and now Jon is back to behaving like a child again and I think there's a tendency to feel like well maybe he has made his own bed here after all. Trust me, it's disappointing when you have one perception of a client and then they turn around and are someone else. It does sometimes feel like a betrayal. It's something you have to sort of deal with, it does happen. I think though Tuma has enough experience to know that this happens all the time and not to take it personally.

Localyocul said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 181
It never was in danger of leaving. The banner pic will always stand for Jon's role in this mess regardless what he does after.

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I know. I'm just saying he sealed his place up there.

Formerly Duped said...

Didn't one of the anonymous nannies say Kate swears a blue streak before retiring with her bottle of wine?

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