Wednesday, November 6, 2013

'In Loving Memory of Hope': How the tables were turned on Kate by a scammer


Terminal cancer. Kind celebrities who reached out with love and support. A song sung as a dying wish. Nightline's year-long investigation about a sophisticated scam that preyed mostly on celebrities' emotions, not dollars, turned up none other than Kate Gosselin as a victim. Brad Paisley, John Henson, Natalie Grant, and others were also contacted by the scammer, who sometimes pretended a woman was ill and sometimes pretended a little girl was ill.

Kate spoke with Nightline via e-mail, and says she was reaching out in 2008 to a woman named Hope who said she was a cancer patient. She spoke to the woman on the phone for several months, and when she found out Hope had "died" she dedicated an episode of Jon and Kate to her (the episode 'Gosselins Go Skiing and the dedication to Hope at the end can be viewed on Youtube). Kate had no idea she was scammed until Nightline told her recently.

The savvier Natalie Grant, however, suspected something was off right away, but then felt guilty for questioning it. "I actually was mad at myself for even having those thoughts because I thought, 'Natalie, how could you be thinking this? This is a little girl who's on her deathbed, taking her final breaths, how could you even be questioning this?'" Other celebs also suspected something was wrong as the scam was going on, after talking to "Hope" on the phone or asking for details about her treatment.

To see the rest of this fascinating mystery and find out who was behind it all, read the full account here or catch Nightline late tonight (early this morning in some areas, check local listings.)

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Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

I still think it's so funny how Kate was the slowest on the uptake. She had NO idea, meanwhile the other celebs were already building their cases, talking to prosecutors in Wyoming and some even suing already. LOL. Out of the loop, a bit. Guess no one called her to let her in on the operation to take this down.

I'm sorry anyone got scammed, the whole story is terrible and outrageous, but I wonder if this will help her understand what she did was wrong when she was buying that million dollar house while taking church ladies' social security money.

Remona Blue said...

First of two from other thread:
Jumping In said... 83
''....Finally, I have a question: Did Jon permit the kids to be on CWS and Katie Couric, or does he have a say legally or otherwise? This is what I don't understand.''
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There was much discussion about that on this blog, and that it was said Jon knew nothing about it until it was over. The episode was done in just a few days on TFW's custody time. The consensus of opinion on this blog was that it was simple for TFW to keep Jon out of the loop, behind those locked gates.

Although...some people are convinced that Jon allowed the filming to be done in order for TFW to drop child support. I believe that Admin debunked that idea by pointing out that TFW is not able to 'forgive, or say no child support' on her own...that is something the Judge decided. I am almost remembering that TFW quoted her attorney or her attorney posted that TFW did drop child support. Maybe someone can clarify/correct me.

Did that answer your question?

Suzee said...

Localyocul said..
There is a trust liste as an owner. Doe this mean the kids are paying the mortgage?

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(I posted a reply on the previous thread but don't think it'll be posted since this one opened at almost the same time so I apologize if this is a dup.)

The trust originally had a local attorney and TFW as trustees but a year or two ago, TFW changed it and she's now sole trustee. No one knows the terms of the trust but I've always speculated that the property was being held for the kids (J&K originally said the house was 'the kids' house') and that it was just being administered by the trustees until they were of age, but who knows.

Bitchy Pants said...

Carried over from the previous post. Jumping In 83 -- You asked if Jon had any say in the kids appearing on CWS and the Katie Couric show. Apparently TFMJG holds all the power there. She said in several interviews that she didn't even tell Jon about CWS. I don't know about the Katie Couric show, but based on past performance, I'd say he didn't know about that one either. Apparently the kids are threatened with the penalty of severeness if they tell him.

Ironic that the ultimate scammer/grifter got scammed. Poetic justice.

Here (Central Ohio), Nightline airs after Jimmy Kimmel Live, around 12:30 AM. It's an ABC show.

Admin -- a plea. Previously, you used to indicate when comments had been closed on a particular thread, but you stopped doing that. Could you please start doing it again? It's very frustrating to type out a whole comment and then find that you can't post it! If someone is reading a thread at the same time as you post a new thread, there's no indication whatsoever that you've done so.

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

Paula, (hope I've got that right), thanks for the link.

I really doubt Kate had much to do with dedicating an episode to "Hope." Probably the producer thought it would be nice.

Suzee said...

I'm sorry anyone got scammed, the whole story is terrible and outrageous, but I wonder if this will help her understand what she did was wrong when she was buying that million dollar house while taking church ladies' social security money.

I don't like that others were scammed either, whether it was of money, gifts or emotions, but I don't think TFW will relate at all that what she did was just as bad as what Hope did to her and others. She feels she was justified for taking LOTS of money from caring strangers and I don't think she'll ever feel an ounce of regret of guilt for her actions.

Anonymous said...

Of course she didn't get it. She's the biggest, most successful scammer of all and has no conscience about it so it wouldn't even occur to her that SHE could be scammed. She was too busy running her scams!

Like I said on the last thread, she's a knuckle dragging, mouth breathing dolt. I do not think she is very intelligent. She can't begin to keep her many lies or hypocrisies straight. She is flummoxed that anyone could go against her, despite all the negative press she has gotten the last however many years. She reminds me very much of my mother, who's the same way. All the stories of abuse, manipulation, parental alienation, endless chores (while she did nothing except cook), expecting me to be her friend, etc., etc., etc., resonate with me. And my mother is not very intelligent. You don't have to be smart to be conniving or narcissistic.

FRP

Remona Blue said...

From previous topic:
Lalalalala said... 101
''...Yes, Kate does want pity. Lots and lots and lots of it. Where does personal pride enter in here? Someone who has pride, self-confidence, self-awareness and motivation is very uncomfortable with people pitying them. It's embarrassing and demeaning.''
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Lalalalala, I have a different take on TFW's pleas for pity. I do think she wants pity, but personal pride and the other things you say have nothing to do with it. She is such a raging narcissistic that she expects pity for everyone getting in her way of what she DESERVES. She deserves to have a tv show. She deserves every free thing under the sun. She deserves Jon losing parental rights to his children. She deserves Jon and Robert losing the law suit she filed. She deserves anything and everything she wants, and when she doesn't get it, she deserves pity!

TFW has a lot of self-confidence and zero self-awareness. She is one pathetic piece of work!

Sleepless In Seattle said...

I really doubt Kate had much to do with dedicating an episode to "Hope." Probably the producer thought it would be nice.

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How did Kate (or the producers) find out that "Hope" died? Did Hope herself call Kate (as someone else) to inform her of this, or perhaps sent Kate an e-mail? Wouldn't you think that Kate's crack security team (aka Steve) would have had some kind of red flags on this?

Remona Blue said...

Glad to see that I'm not the only one that brought responses from the other topic to this one! It appears that a bunch of us weren't done discussing the last topic! lol

prairiemary said...

Admin. always states that no further comments are allowed, I have never seen her miss saying that. Ever.

chefsummer said...

You know I want to feel sorry for Kate I really do but seeing how she scammed innocent churches out of $$ I can't feel for her.

chefsummer said...

Also didn't Kate get a nice payday for the cancer/hospital episodes?

Anonymous said...

I'm in south central OH and Nightline is on after Jimmy Kimmel here. I believe it starts at 12:30 or 12:35. I just looked at our TV Guide and it didn't give a description, just said that it was new.

~LAP~

localyocul said...

I wonder if this will help her understand what she did was wrong when she was buying that million dollar house while taking church ladies' social security money.

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And I know for a FACT that that happened because I saw it for myself in the summer of 2008.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...


How did Kate (or the producers) find out that "Hope" died? Did Hope herself call Kate (as someone else) to inform her of this, or perhaps sent Kate an e-mail? Wouldn't you think that Kate's crack security team (aka Steve) would have had some kind of red flags on this?

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That's what I want to know. I understand these catfishers can be very good, but it seems elementary to verify someone's death before doing an In Loving Memory on your national T.V. show. That's a bit more than just making a phone call. Someone is claiming they died and you're going to put it on your T.V. show. When Breaking Bad did that, they had actually gone out and met the young man in the hospital, I believe more than once. They knew for a fact who he was and that he really was truly ill because they verified it all themselves before dedicating anything to him.

I read the obituary when anyone I know or am interested in dies. I like reading people's biographies. I often learn things i never knew. I can't be the only one. Why didn't anyone at TLC do a simple search for the obit? No one at all was interested? Didn't Kate want to send flowers to the funeral home? She didn't ask for an address and do a simple google search? And yes, who called her? Was it from a different number and voice? Kate apparently talked to her for MONTHS, how come in all that time she didn't hear something odd that some of the other celebs did? Even Nev who spent months talking to his catfish started to figure it out after enough conversations that didn't add up. He wasn't surprised when he met her, he figured it out. And he was only 22 or so.

Why doesn't she alert her tweeters to watch this? This is INTERESTING and is a good warning for everyone. And obviously she's not so embarrassed about it she's not willing to go on record. She is clueless how to promote herself, this is basic stuff. Tell the tweeties to watch Nightline, they might learn something.

sick of this nonsense said...

Could this get any weirder?

sunny said...

Remona Blue said... 2

Although...some people are convinced that Jon allowed the filming to be done in order for TFW to drop child support. I believe that Admin debunked that idea by pointing out that TFW is not able to 'forgive, or say no child support' on her own...that is something the Judge decided. I am almost remembering that TFW quoted her attorney or her attorney posted that TFW did drop child support. Maybe someone can clarify/correct me.

Did that answer your question?
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You are correct, once a child support order is established in PA, neither party can drop it without a change in custody time. I think people suspected that Kate *agreed to more custody time* which would satisfy the judge enough to drop Jon's support order. In exchange for this, people suspected that Jon agreed to some filming of the kids. Perhaps Kate was trying to finalize the CWS deal at the time.

Jon also has alluded that before this, he was already having the kids more than every other weekend. He said he would get called to pick up sick kids at school and that Kate would call him last minute and say that she was going away and you're getting all the kids. This happened in my own family. The ex wife wanted my family member to have the kids half the time, but she still wanted full child support.

I too have noticed that Robert seems to be laser focused on Milo. I cannot wait to find out who "it" really is!

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

You know what I'm wondering too? In 2008 the kids were about eight and four. She had six kids under four, a full time T.V. show, was traveling and doing interviews and I think she might have even been still working a bit--2008 was their heyday. While it's commendable, surprising, and refreshing that Kate was willing to speak to a cancer victim with nothing much in it for her that I can see (other than I suppose to make yourself feel good), where in the world did she have time for the months and months of phone conversations? I don't understand that. One or two phone calls and maybe some gifts but months and months? I find that so odd. She reaches out to and gets all involved with a complete stranger but had cut off her own family and friends? She complains how exhausting these little kids were and what a whirlwind their younger years were, but she has time for all this with Hope? It's just so bizarre. For the first time, I wish she would write a blog post about it. I'm so curious.

Good job, Ratclaws. Way to go gumshoe. You caught the crook!.....NOT!!! You didn't even have the foggiest idea! hahaha

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

Why doesn't she alert her tweeters to watch this? This is INTERESTING and is a good warning for everyone. And obviously she's not so embarrassed about it she's not willing to go on record. She is clueless how to promote herself, this is basic stuff. Tell the tweeties to watch Nightline, they might learn something.

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Nah...she's much more interested in telling the tweeties that one of her girls said that elephants have rubbery feet. That's so very important.

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

Why didn't anyone at TLC do a simple search for the obit? No one at all was interested? Didn't Kate want to send flowers to the funeral home?

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So if there was a "loving memory" line posted at the end of the episode, then Kate must have shared the details of this Hope relationship with TLC, and they didn't bother to check it out -- just took Kate's word for it? Strange...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Could this get any weirder?

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Not really, though Nev's film Catfish was pretty bizarre. Have you seen it? I love catfish stories.

I just can't believe no one at TLC verified this either. I buy Kate being suckered because she's dumb, but fact-checking is a pretty basic skill that anyone who makes documentaries should know how to do and be darn good at it too. Figure 8 made DOCUMENTARIES. How lazy can you be not to look up a simple obit on google? There goes the credibility of anything they've ever made before and since. Oh and they hired a pedophile too, so there's that. They're batting 1,000 here.

I just can't imagine anyone would put an In Loving Memory on their product without seeing the obit. Or don't you want to contact the family and let them know to watch for it and maybe send them their own copy of it?

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...


Admin -- a plea. Previously, you used to indicate when comments had been closed on a particular thread, but you stopped doing that. Could you please start doing it again? It's very frustrating to type out a whole comment and then find that you can't post it! If someone is reading a thread at the same time as you post a new thread, there's no indication whatsoever that you've done so.

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I didn't realize when I close a post it cut off a comment you had already typed! I had no idea! Sorry, yes I will try to alert you all of a new post especially when it's busy.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

I don't think she gets what she did is the same either. And in some ways it was worse because she took the hard earned money of people out from under them while closing on a million dollar house and signing off on thousands of dollars in Lane contracts for one day of work. She played on their emotions, like Hope did, AND took their money. Even Hope returned a check mailed to her!

You can recover and move on from being hurt or lied to by someone you don't even know. But you can't get that money back. That money could have done so much good rather than lining her pockets. Sick.

Willowmom said...

The scam story is about to be on my local news.

PatK said...

I'm surprised Kate even spoke to this woman on the phone over a period of several months. Kate rarely gave anyone the time of day back then. Odd.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Doing some armchair analysis here. Kate reached out to Hope, a complete stranger, and also appears to reach out now and again to some of her tweeties both publicly and possibly through emails and DMs.

And yet, she has estranged so many of her family and friends and Jon too.

What's with these relationships with strangers but not having them with people in her everyday life? Is she more comfortable with strangers because there's a healthy distance? She doesn't ever have to REALLY let her guard down with them? Is it that she is desperate to reach out and feel something on a deeper level, but is petrified to do it in real life? So fascinating.

I guess I would have to say I don't find a months and months relationship with a cancer victim with little to nothing significant in return, typical of a narcissist. Why would a narcissist care to devote this kind of time?

Sleepless In Seattle said...

I don't think she gets what she did is the same either. And in some ways it was worse because she took the hard earned money of people out from under them while closing on a million dollar house and signing off on thousands of dollars in Lane contracts for one day of work

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I've always wondered how, in her mind, she justified taking that money. Perhaps Robert has some insight into that. How can you settle on a very expensive home knowing that you are taking money from some who are living paycheck to paycheck? Even if you were driven by greed, wouldn't there be at least a twinge of guilt? How could you live with yourself?

Jumping In said...

Remona Blue and Bitchy Pants........Thanks for your response regarding the kids appearances on CWS and Katie Couric. I thought Jon had (has)
some say over them appearing on television. It almost seems like a moot point now as I think Kate is finally done.

chefsummer said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 27

Why would a narcissist care to devote this kind of time?
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Ego boost.

chefsummer said...

Kate can deal with strangers/twitter fans/sheep because.

She can manipulate them easily-(IMO). Her family and friends not so much they have her number.

TLC stinks said...

So WHAT was Kate scammed out of? Some time on the phone, money, gifts? I cannot imagine Kate being generous unless there was something in it for her. Yet, the greatest scammer of got scammed. Justice. Kind of makes you wonder about "Milo". Another catfish? Man, the tweets have gone off the charts with all the brown nosing.

My interpretation of the custody arrangement is that Kate does not need Jon's permission to film the kids.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Anonymous, I don't know exactly what happened between Hope and Johnny Depp, but it may interest you to know he's a high school dropout and has been on movie sets ever since. He is a brilliant actor and I'm a big fan but I'm not sure he is necessarily very savvy to this sort of thing either. Anyone can be savvy even kids, but finishing high school and going on to higher education often helps give you the critical thinking tools boost to spot things like this easier. All he's done is been treated like a celeb his whole life, so how would he gain these skills? I am sorry for him he fell for this scam.

Anonymous said...

What chefsummer said - people like that surround themselves with superficial relationships they can control. I was estranged from my dad for a long time. The final straw for me was when one of his wives called me all hysterical, because she came home to empty apartment. He took everything except her clothes and cleaned out the bank accounts. Fortunately, he had sent me a letter telling me where 'they' were moving and 'their' new phone number. I told her I was sorry he scammed her too, but gave her 'their' info and told her that she should try to get the police to accompany her to retrieve her stuff. She did. I called him after hanging up with her and he answered, cool as a cucumber. I let him have it. And despite all he had done, he was mad at me because I dared go against him and 'took her side.' That was it. No more. I had already seen letters where relatives felt he was using us as little kids to get money out of them all the time, among other things. Anyway, I went to take care of him when he was dying and was shocked at how many people came to pay their respects and visit him. And you know what so many of them said? "We didn't even know he had kids." Yeah, he had four. I filled them in the fact that he was also married five times, among other things. Prick. He would give the shirt off his back for any of these people but would do absolutely nothing for us except pit us against each other. (He told my brothers I told him "FU" and called him names during that call, which did not happen.) People like my mom, my dad, Kate....they ENJOY manipulating people. They ENJOY inflicting pain on people. It usually stems from deep insecurity, but they derive real joy from it nonetheless.

FRP

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Isn't it kind of funny this is all happening when the karma train is full speed ahead isn't it?

Now even the scams she pulled got their revenge. Even her scams have been answered with a resounding no means NO. Granted it was in 2008 but she just found out. Haha, that snowball effect sure is powerful.

sunny said...

Sleepless In Seattle said... 28

I've always wondered how, in her mind, she justified taking that money. Perhaps Robert has some insight into that. How can you settle on a very expensive home knowing that you are taking money from some who are living paycheck to paycheck? Even if you were driven by greed, wouldn't there be at least a twinge of guilt? How could you live with yourself?
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I still can't get over how all the equipment and freebies they received were SOLD. They were items they received for FREE and they used them hard. Then turned around and sold them. TFW was still consigning clothes at least two years ago that we know of. Despicable. For her though, I think it's the thrill of getting cash in her hand for something she paid nothing for, rather than the piddly $100 she might get.

AuntieAnn said...

"This is the first email in a LONG time that I read, and realized my jaw had actually dropped and my mouth was hanging open," Gosselin wrote back.

Of course she opened the email and read it. That's because Sally Hawkins probably has 'nightlineabc' or somethng similiar in the addy. Kate would answer that for sure thinking it be about an interview with HER.

TLC stinks said...

Kate does not tolerate anyone who disagrees with her, so it is easy to maintain the twitter relationships because these are adoring fans thrilled that she acknowledges their existence. They stroke her and never disagree. I believe the children are fearful that they will be rejected by their mother if they don't toe the line. It's terrible to even guess what those children must go through with such a dysfunctional parent.

Starz22 said...

There is no way TFW will see herself in any of this and what she's done/doing is wrong.

TFW made it clear that society made it possible for her to have multiples so that means society owes her money. Society should support the kids with their money not hers! Even tho she has the money....she will not pay for activities or even wants for the kids. Like music,voice,or even after school stuff. This is the same reason why the kids no longer get Vacations to Florida...beach's...yearly traditions ect ect. She has to spend her own money now. Well, thats just not going to happen. To this day she really believes she was the only one working,the kids were just playing. She really ment it when she told Ellen that when the kids get a job and can pay for their own cars then they might get one.
This beast will keep begging for free stuff when she is far from poor...but yet she demands the kids will have to pay for anything they want when they get jobs. When are you going to get a job tfw? When are you going to stop living off the kids and get your own frickin job? When the kids cut you off in more ways than financial ...who will you blame then?

fidosmommy said...

Maybe this explains why Kate had the pink iPhone glued to her head 24 hours a day back about that time. I thought she was busy griping about Jon, complaining to a company about how she had been inconvenienced
or yelling at someone about needing more money on her expense account.

TLC stinks said...

From "World of Psychology article":


Dysfunctional families are affected by mental illness, trauma from tragedy, or simply by being headed by individuals with very poor parenting skills. . .

Conflict, neglect, abuse of all sorts, shame, conditional love, faulty disciplinary styles, gender prejudice, sexuality intolerance, denial of feelings and family facts, emotional dysregulation, rampant anxiety and much more are ever present in such families. The burden is then carried beyond the early family, often untreated — making for the defining term adult child (of a dysfunctional family).

Some professionals say there are four basic roles, others six. The roles seem always to collectively serve the family as well as the individual child fitting into it, and service the interplay among siblings. Here I will present a look at four such roles as I see them, which seem to typify the sad life of many children entangled in ill family dynamic, no matter the cause. Any of the traits of one can be found in another, of course (and many children have a mesh of two):

The Rebel
The child who gets into a lot of external trouble over internal pain. Problems in school, drugs, petty theft, pregnancy, misdemeanors — these are the “bad boys” (or girls) who are acting out the angst back home. They are often self-destructive, cynical and even mean, becoming an old soul too soon.

This individual’s behavior warrants negative attention and is a great distraction for everyone from the real issues at hand. (Thus the rebel often has been called the scapegoat.) They are often looked up to and glamorized but inside feel empty and torn apart long into adulthood.

The Mascot
The kid that uses comedy and whimsy to ease his own and others’ unease. This behavior is lighthearted and hilarious, just what a family twisted in pain needs — but the mascot’s clowning is not repairing the emotional wounds, only providing temporary balm. He or she equally diverts attention away from the bearing of difficult tensions, but theirs is an internal direction toward the family.

This child is usually kind and of good heart but never seems to grow up. They can show remarkable empathy, creativity and resilience, but there remains a need to quell the pain with escape to a childlike world, always stuck in a young soul.

The Good Girl (or Boy)
These are the dutiful daughters and respectable sons who take care of Mom or Dad and “do the right things” at great cost to themselves. They get good grades, don’t make waves, and go overboard with the caretaking. Theirs, too, is an internal direction like the mascot, to remedy the dysfunction. They learn at a young age to suffer the sadness of a parent and become a surrogate spouse or confidante.

Like the rebel, they grow much too old before their time. Responsibility to the incapable or manipulative parent comes before ever looking to their own childhood happiness. They are the fixers for the whole family’s emotional life, yet their needs are never met. They can grow to become extremely self-sufficient, with all the benefits that can bring, but its sad liabilities as well.

The Lost Child
This is the one who becomes invisible. Not unlike the rebel, this child is often out of the house, away from home. He or she is managing very difficult emotions by escaping into activities, friendships, sports — anything to keep away from the infighting of the house. These young souls usually are cut off from their inner life.

They can deal with reality by escaping from it, but they cannot escape the sad and angry feelings that hound them. Denying their feelings and avoiding anger is usually par for the course, as well as never learning adult emotional intimacy. They can become successful due to all that external effort and activity. Despite that, they miss connection.

AuntieAnn said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 35

Isn't it kind of funny this is all happening when the karma train is full speed ahead isn't it?

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This is so strange. After waiting for so long for it to roll into the station, I'm feeling rather ambivalent about celebrating. I'm glad her bubble is bursting but then I think about those kids who are undoubtedly going to suffer further consequences from this fallout. I'm also afraid of her Rasputin-esque ability to keep herself in the game for a few more years.

What a world. What a world.

chefsummer said...

Just saw Kate on nightline they had her only literately a half second.

chefsummer said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 35
Isn't it kind of funny this is all happening when the karma train is full speed ahead isn't it?

#SuperFunKarma4KK

Over In TFW's County said...

I can't be the only one. Why didn't anyone at TLC do a simple search for the obit? No one at all was interested? Didn't Kate want to send flowers to the funeral home?

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Kimberly Williams asked that very question, and the girl's mother told her not to bother to send flowers, to just send a donation to Kimberly's favorite children's hospital. That's when Kimberly suspected something was wrong. I'm watching this now, and yes, Kate was shown being interviewed (briefly so far) about how she felt when she found out.

Good show, so far.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

#SuperFunKarma4KK

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LOL. #superfunCATFISH

So, what lessons has she learned from all this? Has she learned to be cautious of those who are reaching out to her from afar? Perhaps she should verify who Milo is before engaging anymore?

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

She may have done it just to be on T.V. but I have to give Kate credit for helping with this story. She could have told them no, she was too embarrassed but good luck on your story. Instead she cooperated. This is an important story and one of the few times Kate has something valuable to offer. I'd much rather hear Kate's thoughts and experiences on this than her stupid organic cookbook or how much she hates Jon. As Joy would say, that's boring. This? This is interesting.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Another thing about Johnny Depp, the article was very clear she only spoke to him on the phone ONCE. That is probably not long enough to get a good sense something is off. In contrast, Kate admits she spoke to her for months. Multiple phone conversations and multiple red flags later she should have realized something was off like most everyone else who spent any significant time with her did too, eventually. They have the actual email to Natalie and it's very hinky....even says "to be honest" and is it a bit odd saying things like my daughter asked me to find you but to be honest I forgot then she asked me again. Wouldn't anything a dying child asks of you not be something you "forget"?? ODD.

Oh hey and look at this, the real Hope said she is in therapy and has childhood issues she is working to resolve. A bad childhood can manifest itself in so many ways.

Over In TFW's County said...

She may have done it just to be on T.V. but I have to give Kate credit for helping with this story. She could have told them no, she was too embarrassed but good luck on your story. Instead she cooperated. This is an important story and one of the few times Kate has something valuable to offer. I'd much rather hear Kate's thoughts and experiences on this than her stupid organic cookbook or how much she hates Jon. As Joy would say, that's boring. This? This is interesting.

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It was just for that one brief snippet (blink and you miss it), but she was there, and they showed the dedication in memory of Hope (end of the episode). I got the feeling that Nightline was kind of getting in a dig because they said that Kate didn't know about it until they contacted her and told her. The tone of it was a bit condescending, in my opinion, but then again, I'm half asleep!

little speck of dust said...

If any one is interested, I have been reading at Dr.Lillian Glass's website, starting back for the 4th of July in 2009, and onwards, and man, was Dr..
Glass ever so right. She predicted the problems with the 8 way back then, it is fascinating what her thoughts were about everything that was happening, I especially liked reading about when TFW was on The View, when Whoopie really had had enough of her, as I never watched it that day. Wow, did this Doctor ever predict the future of all of them!

PatK said...

Why didn't TFW announce to her tweeties she was going to be on Nightline? A little embarrassed about this one?

Kirkland said...

Sorry if this is a duplicate post, but I just happened to see this video today.

The Gossip Table discusses Kate Gosselin

The whole discussion is very negative toward Kate - how she's "desperate for fame".

Suzee said...

Nightline from last nite where TFW is on for all of 2 seconds - she's at @ 3:38 and says about 15 words. She seemed to be in a excited/manic state (probably excited to be interviewed for a 'news' show rather than 'entertainment') instead of the soft, meek one she frequently pulls out when she wants to appear the victim. And, even with so few words she still manages to stumble over a few.

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/brad-paisley-wife-nashvilles-kimberly-williams-paisley-forward/story?id=20782976

lukebandit said...

Wow. What a new post, Admin.

The scammer got scammer got scammed. Came across this song this afternoon and I couldn't resist.

To Steve, with love

Those tween days of telling tales
But in my mind I know they will still go on and on
And chewing French nails go on and on

But how do you thank someone
Who took you from fried eggs to
a size C?
It isn’t easy, but I’ll try

Steve, if you wanted the sky
I would have TLC write a check
Across the sky in letters
In zeroes, that soar a thousand feet high
To Steve, with love

The time has come for not publishing books
And long last loving looks must end
And as I leave I know
That I am leaving my best purse carrier and friend (wink, wink)

A friend who taught me from McD’s to NOBU
And depends on scooter rides for a good run time
That's a lot to learn, what
What can I give you in return?

If you wanted the moon
I would have TLC to pay, what eva
But I, would rather you let me say,
On someone else’s dime
To Steve, with love



lukebandit said...

I remember reading years ago, it may have been in a Reader's Digest. But, a famous baseball player was leaving the ball park and a lady was in the parking lot and she went up to him and told him that her daughter was dying with something, I can't remember, and she needed money, desperately.

He got his checkbook out and wrote her out a 30K check and gave it to her and she was so thrilled, the whole nine yards. Another ballplayer saw this and when the lady left, the ballplayer went up to the ballplayer that gave her his check said, did you give her any money?

And he said, yes, I did. I gave her 30K. He then told him that she is a scammer, that she does this all the time. And the ballplayer that gave her his check said, That is wonderful!!! She doesn't have a daughter who is dying!

God has blessed this ballplayer, I know He has. I tried googling the story and I couldn't find it, but it is a famous ball player. I wish I could find it.

It would not surprise me a bit that kate talked and talked and talked to the girl who was faking being sick. Takes her out of her current world and into another world. Away from her kids, Jon, everything. Twitter does the same thing for her.

TLC stinks said...

OF COURSE, Kate agreed to be interviewed. First, she gets her mug back on TV; second, they call her a celebrity; and third, it proves she gives back (ha, from what I read there was no money involved).

TLC stinks said...

OF COURSE Kate agreed to appear on Nightline: she got her mug back on TV and she can prove she gives back (Ha, but it looks like no money was involved).

Now back to the revokable trust. Why did Robert reveal it? It was dated Nov. 1, 2013. I understand putting the house title in a trust for the kids, but she is the trustee? I thought you named a trustee, other than yourself, because you have died and the trustee handles your affairs. I also thought at one point Steve was named as trustee, maybe after an attorney was initially named trustee when Jin and a Kate bought the house. I do know putting your home in a trust can also be used to maybe fend off creditors and you can transfer other assets into a trust. Robert must have some info as to why Kate changed the trust. At present since it is a revokable trust, she can change the terms. I believe it becomes irrevocable after death.

Vanessa said...

where in the world did she have time for the months and months of phone conversations?
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Who's to say it was months and months-she could very well be lying about that. Embellishes the story. When they interviewed her and gave her the list of other "celebrities" maybe she thought "oh see I'm just like them!" She always added extra details, numbers, exaggerations when she talked about anything. But then the dedication on the show is another thing...

Vanessa said...

How do the scammers get these celebrities email accounts in the first place. How do they actually get to speak to them directly? There has to be a "chain of command" to go through, no? How did she get Brad Paisley on the phone so he could actually sing a song?

Vanessa said...

Isn't Robert's last post a repeat, he just added Milo's tweet and the pancake butt pic?

Localyocul said...

Story coming up next on GMA. I fell asleep just before Nightline came on dang it.

handinhand said...

I've always wondered how, in her mind, she justified taking that money... How can you settle on a very expensive home knowing that you are taking money from some who are living paycheck to paycheck?
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God wanted her to have it, memba?

SeeSaw said...

I think this scammer probably fed Kate's narcissism. You are so wonderful to help me, you are such a big star, etc. What's funny is the scammer somehow had Kate alerted that she died. Why would she do that? My guess is she got sick of Kate haha.

Vanessa said...

If any one is interested, I have been reading at Dr.Lillian Glass's website, starting back for the 4th of July in 2009, and onwards, and man, was Dr..
Glass ever so right.
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Hmm, maybe SHE's behind the, ahem, "bullying"? Is she one of the "Does"?

TLC stinks said...

Ha, Ha. Pancake butt! I wonder if Robert chose that picture because there was a rumor that she had a butt lift too.

Insert Creative Username Here said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 27
Doing some armchair analysis here. Kate reached out to Hope, a complete stranger, and also appears to reach out now and again to some of her tweeties both publicly and possibly through emails and DMs.

And yet, she has estranged so many of her family and friends and Jon too.

What's with these relationships with strangers but not having them with people in her everyday life? Is she more comfortable with strangers because there's a healthy distance? She doesn't ever have to REALLY let her guard down with them? Is it that she is desperate to reach out and feel something on a deeper level, but is petrified to do it in real life? So fascinating.

I guess I would have to say I don't find a months and months relationship with a cancer victim with little to nothing significant in return, typical of a narcissist. Why would a narcissist care to devote this kind of time?
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The difference is her tweeties give her undiscerning adulation. She can do no wrong in their eyes and their sole purpose in her world is to give her attention.

Calling and talking to a cancer patient is not TFW's thing. Do you remember the episode at St Judes? Did TFW sit there and talk with these kids one-on-one? No. She didn't. I very highly doubt she did with "Hope" either.

The Nightline producers talked directly with TFW, not her publicist or her PR team, so the lying liar who lies gave them a response. I'm guessing the Hope relationship was setup by the producers, or TFW saw an email from Hope and forwarded it to her producers/publicist. They probably thought it was good PR and maybe TFW had one or two conversations. Someone found out she died, and now TFW gets to look like the celebrity concerned about her fans. Isn't she nice? She put a tribute at the end of her show to one who died of cancer! Nothing in TFW's world is not self serving, and I find it VERY hard to believe she carried on a conversation with a stranger for months and months when that stranger would garner more sympathy and attention then TFW would.

Narcissists don't hang around people who will steal their spotlight, so I very highly doubt TFW had a buddy buddy relationship with this catfish. Not unless she was getting attention from it in some way or other.

Vanessa said...

Kirkland said... 52
Sorry if this is a duplicate post, but I just happened to see this video today.

The Gossip Table discusses Kate Gosselin

The whole discussion is very negative toward Kate - how she's "desperate for fame".

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EEEK!! That close up pic!!

Upstater said...

Vanessa said... 67
Kirkland said... 52
Sorry if this is a duplicate post, but I just happened to see this video today.
The Gossip Table discusses Kate Gosselin
The whole discussion is very negative toward Kate - how she's "desperate for fame".

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EEEK!! That close up pic!!

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I was about to post the same thing!! :). Gotta be warned next time. That was scary!

TLC stinks said...

I went back and looked at some of Robert's posts. You like to leave hints, Robert, but I must be thick headed. I never read the GWOP anti-blog, so all I can surmise from that post is that you either know or suspect who one of Kate's most ardent Twitter followers is. And the only two that come to mind is MsGoody and Milo.

Apparently this person started the whole rumor about Dana being a spurned lover of Jon's. I hope some day you clue us in on who this person is. I completely get it that the circle that loves Kate is very, very small, so it makes complete sense that this person has taken to twitter. The only clue I saw was the "ya'll" at the end, but I was not into all the back and forth back when this stuff was published. I do recall seeing frequent posts by Goody and Fired Up for Kate on the Kate sheeple blogs, so I am guessing these gals are very loyal present day. Wonder why? Does Kate know them? Is this why she allows all the venom towards Jon and the love fest for herself? They speak for her because she must remain above the fray for appearances.

Marie said...

The more I read about Steve (gosselinbook blog) I realize just what a tool he is. I'm sure we'll be finding out more about him when more information comes out with the book. What motivates someone like Steve? Has to be greed. Just like Kate.

Marie

Marie said...

Ha, Ha. Pancake butt! I wonder if Robert chose that picture because there was a rumor that she had a butt lift too.

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No, I think he picked it because it is really unflattering and since she has no self awareness, she thought she looked good. Why else parade it in front of the paps?

Marie

TLC stinks said...

I think Steve had plenty to do with egging on the breakup of Kate and Jon. He probably fed Kate's ego that she didn't need Jon to be successful and she probably wept on his shoulder how unhappy she was in the marriage. Since Jon is adamant that he did not cheat on Kate, I got to believe Steve set up the pap photo (i.e., he had Jon followed) that set the ball rolling for the whole Jon is a cheating dirtbag scenario. He then involved himself in her finances and got the kids to treat him like a substitute dad. If Gina is still married to the guy, and as far as I can tell they still jointly own the marital home, she is either in on this or totally deaf and dumb. I kind of feel sorry for Kate for being suckered by the guy. He certainly has managed to stay in her good graces.

TLC stinks said...

Yep, Marie, She has no class. I believe you are right.

Insert Creative Username Here said...

TLC stinks said... 57
Now back to the revokable trust. Why did Robert reveal it? It was dated Nov. 1, 2013
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To be clear, Robert didn't reveal this. He put some numbers at the end of his post that I still don't get. But in putting the numbers, it led one poster to think it was a tax parcel, so they looked up TFW's house. The numbers Robert gave were NOT TFW's tax parcel number, at least not to her house in Wernersville.

But in looking up TFW's house in the tax parcel search, it came up as a trust. I still don't get how that works. If it's a trust for the kids, how does that work? Can TFW take out equity? If she sells the house, can she use that money to buy a new house? Etc...If there's a trust for the kids in TFW's name, there has to be some way she can take money out...you know..."for the kids"...

Suzy said...

LOL no she hasn't gotten a butt lift yet. It's still flat as seen in that tmz video recently. Not a pleasant sight actually with that weird gray colored leggings & white shirt. That color combination also made her look washed out.

Suzy

KitK said...

Admin said: "Kate apparently talked to her for MONTHS, how come in all that time she didn't hear something odd that some of the other celebs did? "
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Don't we just have her word for it that she talked with this person "for months"? The lying liar who lies???

I believe she had a conversation or two, and maybe that was over a few months, but no way do I believe she had several ongoing chats with this person.

chefsummer said...


EEEK!! That close up pic!!

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I was about to post the same thing!! :). Gotta be warned next time. That was scary!
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Please ya"ll know that she's breathtakingly beautiful.

Formerly Duped said...

I'm not too worked up about Kate being scammed.I know it happens to celebrities all the time. Or the people who are Catfished.I agree it's not her usual MO to be concerned for anyone else, anyhow!

What I have been thinking about is Mary McDonough's memoir I just finished (Erin from The Waltons) She got implants which leaked silicone and gave her lupus and her unborn daughter a host of health problems. Now a spokesperson against companies not divulging dangers, she is very sorry she put her child at risk, although unknowingly.

Remember how Kate used to say she couldn't skate etc since if she broke a leg who would look after her dear children? She didn't give them a thought when she had her plastic surgeries or indulged in other dangerous activities- speeding with lights off.I don't know what kind of 'good bra' she has, but there are dangers.

And btw, a 9 year old should know an elephant does not have rubbery feet ! ;) Does Kate know?

Terri said...

I will never believe that Kate had ANY conversations with that girl. If anything she turned over the e-mail to TLC and they handled it after that. The dedication at the end of the episode was all TLC's doing and Kate sat back and looked like a caring person. That's why she looked so shocked on Nightline, because she really didn't know anything about that girl. For once she was telling the truth.

JoyinVirginia said...

WooHoo! New Post!
Little speck, thanks for mention of Dr Lilian Glass, I am going to check out her blog for old mentions of TFMJG.
This catfish stuff is just fascinating to me. What motivates people who make up these stories or pretend to be someone thru are not? What makes some people be suspicious and some people be gullible? I like the mystery aspects.

Suzy said...

I watched the ABC News video. I had to freeze it when she came on. OMG. She looks so unnatural. Her forehead is frozen and her neck looks sh@@@y as he'll. you can see she had work done along her right jaw. It's very taken back in. There's dark line going up toward her ear like skin is folded into itself or a scar? Her neck looks nasty.

Suzy

URL said...

I think TFW's communication with this scammer or catfish or whatever she is called must have been very limited or else we would have read about this in her journals or tabloids. Did she even send her autographed books during this time she was being scammed? What did this person even get aside from some emails and what was she ultimately looking for? Maybe she wanted some of TFW's castoffs and freebie items that she routinely threw away. It just appears to be so strange. Maybe an autographed cookbook will keep her away from the family. Is this even current? And what happened when her hoax was outed?

Westbrooke said...

Wouldn't checking out who is contacting your client be under Basic Security 101? Just what DOES Steve DO?

JoyinVirginia said...

Reposting helpful acronym listing for anyone new to this blog.
TFW = the former wife = TFMJG = the former Mrs Jon Gosselin = Ms Kreider = Katie Irene Kreider = TFMJG maiden name
WOS = waste of space, what TFMJG called the Grand Canyon in their RV episode, and what some here call TFMJG.
DWTS = Dancin With Them Thar Stars = Dancing With The Stars, TV show that some of us love and that TFMJG wasted her opportunity on by not doing the work.
Saint Tony = Tony Dovolani, dance pro and choreographer on DWTS who earned sainthood by being TFMJG dance partner and putting up with her lack of work ethic.
”shopping kart” and ” bitch from hell” = just two of the critiques given TFMJG by Bruno Tonioli, judge on DWTS.
rat-claws = purse boy = the booby guard = Steve Nield security expert whose main job seems to be protecting the public from TFMJG instead of the other way around.
please add to the list any other favorite acronyms or abbreviations.

Ex Nurse said...

I think that TFW is a master of compartmentalization--meaning, she can do conflicting things without all the mess and bother of rationalizing, soul-searching and hand-wringing that we conscience-stricken have to deal with. Also, she was probably flattered, and thought that she was being somehow heroic. laughable that this didn't get checked out by Steve--2008 was an election year, after all. he was probably working overtime on Obama's secret service detail.

capecodmama said...



Kirkland...52
Vanessa...67
Upstater...68

EEK! is right. Holy crap that is a scary pic. If she looks that bad up close with makeup can you imagine her upclose without makeup. Yowser.

So TFW got scammed. Although what Hope did was wrong, at least she was only looking for attention. TFW is always looking for the money as well as the attention. Also Hope admitted she has issues and is getting help for those issues. We all know TFW will never admit she has issues.

With regard to the video Kirkland...52 posted, I can't get it to play. Did anyone else have that problem?

Suzee said...

Now back to the revokable trust. Why did Robert reveal it? It was dated Nov. 1, 2013. I understand putting the house title in a trust for the kids, but she is the trustee? I thought you named a trustee, other than yourself, because you have died and the trustee handles your affairs. I also thought at one point Steve was named as trustee, maybe after an attorney was initially named trustee when Jin and a Kate bought the house. I do know putting your home in a trust can also be used to maybe fend off creditors and you can transfer other assets into a trust. Robert must have some info as to why Kate changed the trust. At present since it is a revokable trust, she can change the terms. I believe it becomes irrevocable after death.

The trustees were changed a year or two ago and now TFW is sole trustee. No idea why. No idea either what the trust covers, what the terms are, or why it was set up in the first place. She may no longer have a relationship with the attorney and that's why she wanted to change it or maybe she just wanted sole control which wouldn't surprise me. IDK why she did it, but it's not unheard of to change trustees. Trusts are used for many things, one being tax savings and no probate upon death. The trustees carry out the terms of the trust, managing the assets covered in it (buying/selling property, managing stocks/bonds, settling estates, etc) for however long the terms are.

I've always speculated this trust was to hold the property for the children (remembering J&K talking about the house being "the kids' house") separate from everything else until they were of age. With all of the other records Robert found I wouldn't be surprised that he has info about the trust, too.

Mel said...

People like my mom, my dad, Kate....they ENJOY manipulating people. They ENJOY inflicting pain on people.

I've always thought that about TFW, she seems to get off on being mean.
She took such pleasure in denying the boys their birthday cupcakes, as just one example.

Suzee said...

Robert... all I can surmise from that post is that you either know or suspect who one of Kate's most ardent Twitter followers is. And the only two that come to mind is MsGoody and Milo.

I can think of a couple of others he could be referring to, both w/blogs. ;-)

Suzee said...

How do the scammers get these celebrities email accounts in the first place. How do they actually get to speak to them directly? There has to be a "chain of command" to go through, no? How did she get Brad Paisley on the phone so he could actually sing a song?

With TFW, all she had to do was write her directly to her e-mail addy. The true stars like the Paisleys would have probably have had managers or PR firms to go through first. I think something like a dying child's request would be easy to get through the filters and to the intended person and from there the celeb would make the next contact, probably via e-mail first then with phone calls, again initiated by the celeb.

As for TFW saying she was in contact with Hope for months: I didn't interpret it as her talking to Hope frequently, just that the time span from first to last contact had spanned a few months time.

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Isn't Robert's last post a repeat, he just added Milo's tweet and the pancake butt pic?

I think you're right. I scratched my head when I read it, knowing I'd read the same thing previously. lol

silimom said...

It may be different in PA law, but my husband and I have a living trust and our house is a part of it. The trust owns the house but the mortgage is still in our name and we can sell it and move to another house if we choose. As the the trust "owners" we can do whatever we wish with the assets in our living trust. The rules come into play once we die and the assets of our trust are used for the purposes we have dictated in our wills, I.e. for our kids and charitable giving.

So I assume that Kate, as the "owner" of the trusts can use the assets as she feels fit to do so. The rules will come into effect once she dies. Hope that helps, and let me add I don't know how her trust is set up so what I've said May not be relevant.

rainbowsandunicorns said...

Robert... all I can surmise from that post is that you either know or suspect who one of Kate's most ardent Twitter followers is. And the only two that come to mind is MsGoody and Milo.

I can think of a couple of others he could be referring to, both w/blogs. ;-)

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I think that the whole fan/non-fan world knows who those people are. Milo is the mystery person.

Mel said...

I was looking at that photo The Gossip Table used....notice how bad her skin is. Horrible.
Then look at how smooth her nose is, and her chin is somewhat smooth also. Either photoshopped or.....not her original skin.

It's a weird photo. The top of her left cheek looks smoothed out as in photoshopped, but the right cheek isn't that smooth. Hard to see what's going on there.

Just very interesting how the skin of the nose looks like it belongs on a different person.

And her tongue stuck up against her teeth, so that it's sticking out past the bottom teeth and butted up against the back of the top teeth.

Why does she do that? It's part of what makes her smile look so fake. Along with the dead eyes. A completely inauthentic smile.

Upstater said...

Westbrooke said... 83
Wouldn't checking out who is contacting your client be under Basic Security 101? Just what DOES Steve DO?

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Now that's a darn good question... That's right up Steve's alley. A couple of clicks for a private investigating firm would have warned TFW.

Suzee said...

To be clear, Robert didn't reveal this. He put some numbers at the end of his post that I still don't get. But in putting the numbers, it led one poster to think it was a tax parcel, so they looked up TFW's house. The numbers Robert gave were NOT TFW's tax parcel number, at least not to her house in Wernersville.

Someone else mentioned that the numbers at the end of Robert's post might be from the official police report which makes sense because they are: 53-10-1235 and Jon was thrown out of the apartment in '10. You're right, the #s are NOT associated with the property records.

chefsummer said...

I kind of feel sorry for Kate for being suckered by the guy.
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When you do feel sorry for KK just remember how she dopes her fans and how. She doped church members how she trashed Jon and her family.

And how she will toss anyone under the bus to save herself remember how she use her kids every day to her own gain.

Steve & maybe Gina is just playing KK like she has played some many people.

Mel said...

One you mentioned how you wondered where TFW found the time to converse with Hope over the period of several months when she had all that filming to do, kids in school, etc.

I have always wondered where she got the time to journal when she had 6 two year olds and 2 four year olds. You barely have time to breathe with kids that age.

It seems to me that she never did do the 'mom' work for the kids, others did that for her while she just master-minded from her throne. She was never 'present' for those kids. Someone else has always done the care for them.

Think about it....diapers, feedings, cuddling, etc., for 8 little kids. There's *no* time for you to be doing anything other than childcare. What mom of multiple little children has time to sit down and 'journal'?

The other thing I can't get past....why in the world would anyone write down what awful things they'd done to the kids?? Why would you write down that you beat the kid (or the dog)? Who DOES that??

Somebody who gets off on being mean? Because being mean makes them feel powerful? I don't get that part, at all.

URL said...

This game of outing has gone on for so long, why hasn't Robert just put out there who Ms. Milo or Goody is and be done with it? I honestly don't get this if he truly knows who they are. I've read references to their first name, (late on night on twitter) even counties where they live, and a possible online business that Milo is involved with. So why all the secrecy? It appears that somebody knows who Milo in particular is. Why are people afraid of outing her? I can't figure it out. There are people on twitter that appear to know who she is.

Insert Creative Username Here said...

Suzy said... 75
LOL no she hasn't gotten a butt lift yet. It's still flat as seen in that tmz video recently. Not a pleasant sight actually with that weird gray colored leggings & white shirt. That color combination also made her look washed out.

Suzy
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There's nothing wrong with having flat-butt-disease. Millions of people just like TFW suffer from it, myself included. ;)

But you're right in that she doesn't help herself with her wardrobe choices.

Insert Creative Username Here said...

Mel said... 97
Think about it....diapers, feedings, cuddling, etc., for 8 little kids. There's *no* time for you to be doing anything other than childcare. What mom of multiple little children has time to sit down and 'journal'?
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I agree. Moms only moment of peace at the age are when the kids are in bed and sleeping. By then you're so tired you pass out yourself.


Mel said... 97
The other thing I can't get past....why in the world would anyone write down what awful things they'd done to the kids?? Why would you write down that you beat the kid (or the dog)? Who DOES that??
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Someone not right in the head. She was getting her thoughts out there and out of her mind. Makes me wonder if she ever did have therapy at one point or another, because she certainly seemed to use it as a therapeutic tool.

I think she wasn't as full-blown of a narcissist as she is now. There are some narcissists who aren't that bad, either because they have through some sort of luck realized that they are ego-centric and try to curtail it, or because they haven't been fed as much as attention so they don't necessarily think they deserve more of it. But there's definitely degrees to it.

My point being if she was as bad as she is now, and she started a journal, the purpose would be to share with the world how all the examples of how great of a parent she is, and how they could be great parents too, if they just do what she does. She wouldn't have been nearly as humble to admit her wrong doings as she did then.

It's sort of fascinating and sad all at the same time. Those journals show her transition from mild-to-medium narcissist to unbearable narcissist. You almost wish you could go back in time and intervene. Maybe if she had gotten help then she wouldn't be nearly as bad now.

Insert Creative Username Here said...

Also, the organizing-in-the-new-house episode showed a sweet moment. TFW had found a calendar she had made for Mady where she tracked all of Mady's milestones: first tooth, etc... It was an honest moment where she was reminiscing about the days when Mady was little.

I just don't think the TFW of today would go through the trouble of creating milestone calendars for her kids (and she didn't do it with the 6). That's something that puts the focus on your child and away from you. It's very unlike her. It's just another example of how she wasn't nearly as bad in the beginning.

chefsummer said...

Mel said... 97
Think about it....diapers, feedings, cuddling, etc., for 8 little kids. There's *no* time for you to be doing anything other than childcare. What mom of multiple little children has time to sit down and 'journal'?
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But remember that this mom of multiples had tons of helps from workers and her husband.

She probably sat in her chair writing while the kids were being kids and Jon/helpers were doing the work.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

What mom of multiple little children has time to sit down and 'journal'?

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Well I guess she found the time since both she and Jon have publicly admitted she journals. She said in I Just Want You to Know that she journals.

The journal entries usually aren't that long. She should have been able to compose them in a few minutes before bed and be done with it. No different than moms who watch 15 minutes of T.V. before bed or facebook for 15 minutes or crossword for 15 minutes. She journaled with that time.

The fact is, it was a unique and rare experience to have six babies at once. I am not a journaler, but if I suddenly had six babies at once, I think I would try very, very hard to journal about the experience now and again. I would want to be able to look back on it and remember details without it all being a blur. I would make a point to do it, no question. In addition, I think she had in mind she would write a book eventually, so journaling is one of the first steps to do that.

As for talking about the abuse, that doesn't surprise me either. She was using the journals as sort of a method to deal with things in addition to chronicling daily events. Like an immature teen who writes about breakups and hating their mom and getting their period, she was writing her deepest darkest thoughts.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...


As for TFW saying she was in contact with Hope for months: I didn't interpret it as her talking to Hope frequently, just that the time span from first to last contact had spanned a few months time.

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And yet if she only talked to her a few times, that was enough to compel her to dedicate an entire episode to her? For Hope to pull off a fake death without anyone either Kate or TLC even so much as making a phone call or googling, is just insane.

Ally said...

TLC Stinks 57...
This is just my opinion but here it is for what it's worth. I think that Kate put the house in a trust in the kids names so that it could be claimed as an asset of the children and not her. At time of divorce, if the house was her asset, she would have to pay Jon half the value. If it was an asset of the children and not hers, that's less money that gets payed out to Jon in the divorce. I believe there was probably a lot of asset hiding. This also explains Jon wanting to access these accounts. Since he is their father, he should have the right to see his children's assets and he would see if/when money was removed from their accounts.
It is always boils down to the most basic drive for Kate, money!! Anyway that she could save any penny in the divorce, she would. For that reason alone I think that is why the house was listed as an asset of the children.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...



Now that's a darn good question... That's right up Steve's alley. A couple of clicks for a private investigating firm would have warned TFW.

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This is unbelievable too. Steve of all people should know that not everyone who contacts celebs is who they say they are. He should have asked for her name, phone an address and done a 20 buck background check and free google search. It would take 10 minutes of his time. Where was he???

All this tells me is they didn't even have the most BASIC of security protocol in place for when fans contact her. And with eight little children in the home that is beyond concerning how easy it was for Hope to infiltrate. This goes for any celeb who is going to do anything more than send an autographed picture. Run the check, always. There's too many creeps out there not to. Steve should be fired, how useless is he?

AuntieAnn said...

For Hope to pull off a fake death without anyone either Kate or TLC even so much as making a phone call or googling, is just insane.

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Well, TLC's reputation for background checking isn't that high on their priority list.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

If Hope was like Milo though, buttering Kate up lavishing her with praise, Kate might be inclined to call her frequently. This was before twitter where she had easy access to a narcissistic feeding supply.

Maybe Hope was the original "Milo"? I can see Kate falling for that hook line and sinker and giving Hope a call whenever she needed an ego boost. This woman fooled a lot of people at least initially, I bet she knew just what to say to lure Kate in and keep her nice and buttered up.

It makes me sick to think Kate might have told this creep personal things like about what was going on with the kids, at the house, etc. What a massive security failure. Great job STEVE.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...


OF COURSE, Kate agreed to be interviewed. First, she gets her mug back on TV; second, they call her a celebrity;

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One of the first comments on the Nightline article, long before it was ever passed along to the GOsselin blogs, is something like well I get it about the other celebs but Kate Gosselin is a celebrity? LOL.

What a joke she is. Everywhere, she is a joke, even in a serious article. How embarrassing. But I forget Kate doesn't get embarrassed by this.

chefsummer said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 107

I kid you not her interview on dateline was 15 seconds and they cut her off mid-sentence lol

It was kind of funny thought she barely got any screen time.

AuntieAnn said...

TFW, Steve, Eileen O'Neill, TLC et al were all too busy riding the wave of a winning lottery, namely J&K+8, to be bothered with investigating Hope's story.

O'Neill was always more interested in making $$$ for Discovery than she was in being truthful. Kate & Eileen = 2 peas in a pod.

Mel said...

I think Steve was initially hired to protect the kids, but soon it evolved into spying/undermining Jon, and finally was there as TFW's handler. As in preventing her from spewing in public.
Nothing to do with protecting the kids, or her, from anything.

He certainly wasn't there to protect the kids from TFW. Look how he could have calmed things down in the RV episode, but instead opted to run out of camera range and let her rage on.

That was pretty funny, there. They didn't even try anymore to edit out Steve and other crew members dodging the camera.

Another thought...wouldn't it be a hoot if HE was the ultimate catfisher??

IWantNobu said...

This is another article Dr Glass posted around the time TFW was on Jay Leno and talking about going on DWTS. Dr Glass basically said that TFW isn't cut out to be an on stage performer. She is "wooden" and stiff. It is funny that Dr Glass thought that TFW needed formal training if she wanted a career on tv. But TFW thought being a mom of 8 was more than enough to get her to the top.
http://drlillianglassbodylanguageblog.wordpress.com/tag/tmz-on-kate-gosselin-dwts/

TLC stinks said...

Yep. You guys are correct. The number 53-10-1235 does not appear anywhere on that Trust recording. A good guess could be the police report. Games.


PatK said...

Stevie couldn't even find out who TFW's bullies were. She had to seek outside help for that. lol

Ally said...

Admin 106...
Hope was described as a "munchausen by internet". A munchausen patient is acting out for their own attention and needs. They use illness to derive support. There is no way this woman was feigning interest in Kate or stroking her ego. That's what makes this whole thing that much more confusing. I am under the impression that this was not many phone conversations over months. Maybe a couple, but maybe more emailed messages. Kate maybe exaggerating the involvement because she was blindsided and didn't want to seem dumb, but that's not possible. I also think this is what that sudden change in plans on Halloween aluded to? This nightline interview?
The true irony is that a mentally ill woman who thrives on getting attention from others scammed a woman who is mentally ill and thrives on getting attention from others! Who knew, Munchausens is a form of narcissism.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

And again, what has she learned from this experience? What sort of background check has been done on the fans she has interacted with since? The one who got to hold the kids in their lap, and the one who says she and Kate have some special offline relationship and she knows far more than what anyone else knows from Kate. Has she made any effort to verify they are who they say they are? I'm guessing NOPE.

Ally said...

If sent 2 posts in the last hour that haven't made it. I'll try third is a charm.
I wanted to share with all the other Red Sox fans that one of their pitchers, Craig Breslow, is someone I went to high school with. He lived right around the corner from me. His father was my high school gym teacher. He was very bright and went to Yale with intentions of becoming a doctor, but was gifted in baseball too, so he decided to play while he could and as long as he could. Every time I drive to my parents house I pass by his house. It's weird and cool to think I know someone who won the world series! On my favorite team, no less!

Upstater said...

PatK said... 113
Stevie couldn't even find out who TFW's bullies were. She had to seek outside help for that. lol

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Good call. Never thought of that.

Bitchy Pants said...

I think TFMJG talked to the scammer because the story fed into her feelings of superiority -- "Look at me. I'm so busy and exhausted and exhausted and busy but I still take the time to reach out to a terminal cancer patient". What surprises me is that, now that she's learned it was a scam, she admits to her involvement. Of course, that's a ploy for sympathy -- poor good-hearted TFMJG -- she tried to help a cancer patient and she got taken in.

I have absolutely no doubt that Skeeve played a large role in the break-up of the marriage. He slowly but surely usurped Jon's place and made TFMJG completely dependent upon himself. I'm sure he fed into TFMJG's contempt for Jon. Just the fact that he called him worthless or useless, whichever it was, on the show, demonstrates that he had no respect for boundaries or for the bonds of marriage.

TLC Stinks -- There's a 3rd possibility for Gina's involvement, and that is that she is just as much of an opportunist as Skeeve and is getting something out of Skeeve and TFMJG's relationship -- money, notoriety, whateveh,.

PatK said...

Admin, Milo has tweeted several times that TFW knows exactly who she is and has seen her picture. And someone certainly would never post a fake picture and claim it to be themself.

AuntieAnn said...

The real kicker here is that Kate Gosselin can holler OMG! when she finds out someone has duped her, yet she can dupe innocent church goers and not blink an eye. Not only that but this Hope woman gets put on probation and made an example of on Nightline WITH an appearance by the biggest jackalope of all - - TFW.

Kate comes up smelling like a rose again?!

wow. just. wow.

westcoastie said...

I just watched the Nightline episode.
I blinked and therefore missed the nanosecond tfw was on.

All kidding aside, it wasn't easy ascertaining whether or not she was surprised by the news she had been duped since the only thing that moved on her face was her piehole!

Does anybody else think she, with her warped sense of self, may have referred to ABC reaching out to her, albeit for a sound bite, as one of the "exciting things going on" tweets from last year?

Bitchy Pants said...

Creative Unsername -- I really feel sorry for people with flat-butt disease. It's a horrible condition to live with. I have plenty of not-flat butt that I'll gladly donate to you and anyone else who wants it, LOL.

Robert's new post is a summary of an earlier post with some additions besides the picture and Milo's twit. That's why it sounds so familiar.

Virginia Pen Mom said...

Mel said... 88
People like my mom, my dad, Kate....they ENJOY manipulating people. They ENJOY inflicting pain on people.

I've always thought that about TFW, she seems to get off on being mean.
She took such pleasure in denying the boys their birthday cupcakes, as just one example.

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Funny that this topic has come up. I've also just recently noticed my narcissistic aunt gets a gleam in her eye when she bullies her sister or me. It seems like she gets a rush from it.

Bitchy Pants said...

Ooops, hit publish too soon.

The reason TFMJG had plenty of time to engage with her catfish is because she did very little diapering and feeding of the kids and NO cuddling. Jon did most of the feeding, a good bit of the diapering, and all the parental cuddling.

handinhand said...

I kid you not her interview on dateline was 15 seconds and they cut her off mid-sentence lol

It was kind of funny thought she barely got any screen time.
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They probably left the other 30 minutes of tape where she talks about how she's a struggling single mother, the kids want back on tv and how horrible the kid's dad is on the cutting room floor. She'd never pass up teevee time to push her same old same old agenda.

Millicent said...

Admin said:
While it's commendable, surprising, and refreshing that Kate was willing to speak to a cancer victim with nothing much in it for her that I can see (other than I suppose to make yourself feel good), where in the world did she have time for the months and months of phone conversation?
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This "months and months of phone calls" is so completely out of character, that I don't believe it. She may have spoken with this Hope catfish on more than one occasion, over a period of months, but I simply do not believe that Kate had any real care or concern for a complete stranger, who could offer her nothing in return. That's as phony as the Hope story turned out to be.

The only way this works for me is if the person on the other end of the line was willing to listen to Kate and her woes for hours on end.

And as to dedicating an episode to someone, without even verifying their actual death, is more idiocy on the part of the TLC producers.

Millicent said...

FRP said:
they ENJOY manipulating people. They ENJOY inflicting pain on people. It usually stems from deep insecurity, but they derive real joy from it nonetheless
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I have always thought that Kate takes perverse pleasure from making her own children miserable. I do not believe she has one scrap of real love for any of them, and in fact often resents them because they were necessary in order to achieve fame and fortune. She could not have done it without them.

AuntieAnn said...

I think Nightline blew it big time. They had Kate Gosselin right in their clutches and she got away. I'm more than a little pissed with them. Some big-time investigative journalism going on there. NOT!

What Hope Jackson did was incredibly cruel to the parents of the little girl who died. She got caught and rightly so, but Kate used kids too, eight of them and they were her own. It's infuriating that she has the moxy to appear shocked and surprised at a scammer. Whether on the internet or in real life, that fame ho has done the same thing, except she got paid for pedaling her sob story.

I hope Nightline's collective face turns red when they find out they got duped too.

Millicent said...

Auntie Ann said:
This is so strange. After waiting for so long for it to roll into the station, I'm feeling rather ambivalent about celebrating. I'm glad her bubble is bursting but then I think about those kids who are undoubtedly going to suffer further consequences from this fallout.
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Yes, me too. I'm not celebrating, per se. I'm more nodding my head and thinking, "I knew it would come crashing down, sooner or later." It almost always does end up badly for people like her, because their delusional thinking is unsustainable in the end.

But yes, I am as always, concerned for the children and hope that their father and their school administrators/teachers will be keeping a close eye on them.

TLC stinks said...

I think BV was spoon fed the bullies' ID's and it could have come from Steve. Using BV was nothing more than a publicity move rather than actually being concerned about threats. Steve's business is involved in computer forensics so I would not put it past him to use his resources to ferret out haters. His business has always been a private investigative firm too, which advertises spying on cheating spouses. Sound familiar? The guy just has too many contacts to not use them to benefit Kate in her quest to banish Jon and all negative commenters.

Kate probably did not target Hope as a hater so maybe she did not inform Steve of being contacted by the woman. I don't think money was involved, so why have Steve check the woman out? It was just some adoring fan who wanted to share her tragedy. Still, Steve didn't do his job. I guess he was too busy carrying Kate's purse and luggage through airports.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Did Milo comment on Nightline yet or are they pretending this one didn't happen? I predict something like, So disappointing when good people just helpin' out aren't appreciated. Keep your chin held high, I believe most of the world is good at heart. Tough when you get burned. #caringmomma

TLC stinks said...

Personally, I think Gina is in this with Steve up to their eyeballs. They know Kate is unstable and rich. Hasn't this scenario played out before with Hollywood stars (not that Kate is a star)? I have always felt bad for their sons to have to put up with all the speculation and forced to spend holidays and make nice to the very young Gosselin children.

Anonymous said...

Virginia Pen Mom and Millicent - it's true. They do get a gleam in their eye and they do derive pleasure from making others afraid or miserable. If my mom made me cry (by smacking me or screaming in my face, for instance), she would then make fun of me and taunt me for being hurt. You learn to stuff down your hurts real quick. I'm married to a wonderful, gentle person and he is very funny and often finds things that I say or do funny. But if I was not trying to be funny, I get a strange reaction to him laughing at me. Sometimes I cannot deny that his laughter is genuine and coming from a good place and I find myself laughing with him while tears come out of my eyes. It can be something as innocent as jumping back from seeing a spider, and yet I physically cry at being laughed at. It's hard to explain. Those kids are going to have issues. Many times, we've seen one of them go dark and give another a smack simply because the other was laughing at them.

FRP

Millicent said...

Westbrooke said... 83

Wouldn't checking out who is contacting your client be under Basic Security 101? Just what DOES Steve DO?
November 7, 2013 at 7:05 AM
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Heh! He cashes his checks; makes sure he gets included in as many pap photos as possible; bullies little kids, ladies and old folk; and freaks out if his food is touched by any hands other than his own precious rat claws.

Tucker's Mom said...

So, the scammer protests about being scammed.
The irony? Where to begin?
Hey, Nightline, you rubes, ask how much money Kate was raking in and how much her new house cost when she was using her own kids front and center in her "boo hoo" story, using them to get "love offerings".
What was it, 2008, when Kate made nearly 2 mil? How many Christian talks did Kate give that year?

Tucker's Mom said...

Other ironies-- Kate sicking her Gal Friday on anyone who dare to LEGALLY take her photo, and BULLY them into deleting them.
And Kate's the poor victim of bullying?
She's bullied people for years.
"Can we sue?"

-Kate crying about her privacy being invaded when she's had "security"-- a person whose resume touts computer security?
How exactly does one not keep track of her computer and all the back up discs?
Anyone with a modicum of computer savvy would know how to check a computer hard drive to see if copies were made.
Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

TLC stinks said...

Nightline's story was not about Kate, but I hope when Robert's re-released book comes out, perhaps there will finally be some main stream media reporting about her. I think she is handled with kid gloves because of the kids. Unless the kids are physically abused and living in filth, I guess in the media world everything is A-OK with her.

getofftwitter said...

This sounds just like an episode of Law & Order: Criminal Intent. Infact they did an episode like this. It's started with the death of this guy, so his insurance would be sent to this little girl who was fighting a terminal disease, and she had wrote an book, about her life, but nobody had ever seen this kid. The excuses were she was too sick to see anyone. They only ever talked to her on the phone. People were sending in money, for this kids care and the guy, who killed or was killed, was having a special wheelchair made for this girl, he did not kill himself, but found out, there was no little girl, it was a scam and he was killed. The little girl turned out to be a 30-40 something. She figured people were stupid, gullible , to part with money on a sob story, and she was getting rich off them. Sound like this story? Fiction meets reality or was it reality meets fiction. I'm not sure of when this episode of Law & Order: Criminal Intent was aired.

AS for recent articles on Kate, they have taken a nasty turn. Starting with the In Touch one. They are not supporting or praising Kate. Wow, the tables have turned.

handinhand said...

I have absolutely no doubt that Skeeve played a large role in the break-up of the marriage.
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TLC was doing their darndest to keep the up the appearance of a stable marriage, even going so far as hiring a bodyguard to prevent Jon from being photographed straying, so the show and revenue stream would continue. As Steve's company worked for TLC, I really don't think he would have been encouraging a split.

Let's throw tomatoes said...

I'm happy she is crashing down (?) and hope the fall is heard around the world . No one here should think this is going to hurt the kids, it the opposite.

The kids would be a lot worse off if she continues in this path of pushing, pushing, pushing these kids into TV. Eventually and with a little help they can move out of that glass house!! No, it's going to be better when they have normal lives even though they don't have a normal mother.

Believe me I'm speaking from experience. I came out of an abnormal home and once I left I had a happy and wonderful life.

Blowing In The Wind said...

I'm happy she is crashing down (?) and hope the fall is heard around the world . No one here should think this is going to hurt the kids, it the opposite.

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I'm not happy that anyone is crashing down. Mental illness is not #SuperFunBreakdown. It's serious stuff, and when there are children involved, I wouldn't wish it on any child to see a parent suffering through this even if she did bring this all on herself. I would imagine it's frightening for a child not to understand mental illness/depression as they wonder what is happening to that parent and who is going to take care of them.

Millicent said...

TLC stinks said... 134
Personally, I think Gina is in this with Steve up to their eyeballs. They know Kate is unstable and rich.
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If Gina has stayed thus far, I lean toward your way of thinking as well. She must be okay with these shenanigans and usually what makes things like this "okay," if if there is money involved. I don't think much of Gina at this point, and probably it's a case of "birds of a feather"

Let's throw tomatoes said...

I just want to add one more thing of course those kids are going to grow up with issues even with medical help. I always get sad when I watch a movie or see a mother/ daughter interacting and smiling together . I never had a relationship with my mother but then I think what great kids I have and that I love them and they love me. And that helps a lot!

And also what I meant by glass house is not their home but their lives.

Insert Creative Username Here said...

Millicent said... 129
I have always thought that Kate takes perverse pleasure from making her own children miserable. I do not believe she has one scrap of real love for any of them, and in fact often resents them because they were necessary in order to achieve fame and fortune. She could not have done it without them.
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Very astute observation. She proves this concept time and time again. Most recently on her blog about the twins' birthdays. "I learn to love them", etc... That's conditional love. She only feels love towards them when they are her version of good.

TFW, because of her mental illness, is incapable of loving them in any real way. Love puts the other person before you, and to TFW, it's always going to be her first and everyone else dead last.

LaLaLandNoMore said...

I don't believe for a minute that TFW gave up any little bit of control of property or anything else when the family moved to the little spread in the country. Remember "mine all mine?" She meant it.
It is kind of humorous that the "greedy grifter" could be the one being duped. It takes all kinds of people to live in the world today.

Math Girl said...

From the post:
Kate spoke with Nightline via e-mail, and says she was reaching out in 2008 to a woman named Hope who said she was a cancer patient. She spoke to the woman on the phone for several months, and when she found out Hope had "died" she dedicated an episode of Jon and Kate to her.

Where does the information that Kate spoke to the woman for months come from? All I see and hear in the linked story is: Kate dedicated an episode of her show to Hope, and Kate first heard about the scam from Nightline. What am I missing? Is there another story somewhere with more details on Kate's involvement, or am I just not reading/hearing correctly?

Not trying to start a fight ... I just really want to know.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Math girl, read the linked article. They say Kate's telephone conversations with Hope "lasted for months."

TLC stinks said...

I don 't know, handinhand. Steve was not out of a job after Jon left . Kate is devoted to him.

Insert Creative Username Here said...

Oh, FRP, I wish I could hug you! I hate that any one person has to deal with this kind of pain but am thankful that there is a place where we can all come to kind of commiserate.

AuntieAnn said...

Just an observation, nothing more...Brad Paisley looks strikingly similar to James McNibblets.

Virginia Pen Mom said...

PatK said... 121
Admin, Milo has tweeted several times that TFW knows exactly who she is and has seen her picture. And someone certainly would never post a fake picture and claim it to be themself.

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Hahaha---good point! Unless Milo handed the photo of herself to Kate, how is Kate to know the photo is (as my kids woulud say) "legit."

I'm really happy for those of you who have made it to the other side of having a narcissistic parent. I think your stories of survival bring real hope to the idea of the Gosselin kids. I hope as adults at least some of them find the happiness and balance that they're undoubtedly lacking now.

Math Girl said...

Admin...149
You're absolutely right. I was looking at that exact area of the article, yet missed that sentence.

This is an excellent post. The article and video are both enlightening and touching.

And Kate's involvement is minimal, which is always good!

Virginia Pen Mom said...

Twice now, when I've typed "Kateplusmy8" into the Twitter search bar, the top results are two accounts: Kate's and Milo's! Milo must love it. Talk about a promotion!

Remona Blue said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 23
''I didn't realize when I close a post it cut off a comment you had already typed!''
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It seemed me that maybe even though a post had been approved, but not yet actually visible by the blog, you closing the topic prevented the post from being visible. But then again, what do I know?

Vanessa said...

There are some narcissists who aren't that bad, either because they have through some sort of luck realized that they are ego-centric and try to curtail it, or because they haven't been fed as much as attention so they don't necessarily think they deserve more of it. But there's definitely degrees to it.
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Some aren't as bad because they don't have an entourage of enablers.
Someone or something keeps them in check IN PUBLIC. Privately? They are all the same.

PatK said...

Amy Ashton‏@AmyAshton1226m
@Kateplusmy8 I have a couple TV& Magazine oops 4 u. What is a contact number 4 u? Send to http://amyashtonprods.com w/ ur name in subject line


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Oh, boy! I bet Katie Irene contacted this one faster than you can say "has-been"!!

(And I'm pretty sure "oops" was supposed to be "ops". lol)
















AuntieAnn said...

Kate Gosselin ‏@Kateplusmy8 18h

I ?'d kids not 2 stomp2avoid sounding 'like elephants' Alexis:'Elephants r very graceful&they have rubbery feet so they don't stomp' #gotcha


I guess Ms Graceful as an Ox has never seen a video of herself walking.

Blowing In The Wind said...

The little girl turned out to be a 30-40 something. She figured people were stupid, gullible , to part with money on a sob story, and she was getting rich off them. Sound like this story?

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Not really. That was done for money. I don't believe in Kate's Catfishing story, any money exchanged hands, did it? Or if it did, it was returned. Hope explained that this wasn't done for money. She wasn't arrested for scamming money, but for "theft of services" committed against Paisley (his singing the song for her "daughter").

Remona Blue said...

Starz22 said... 39
''...She has to spend her own money now. Well, thats just not going to happen. To this day she really believes she was the only one working,the kids were just playing.''
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Bingo! I'm repeating this in caps, because this is exactly what she believes, and why we will never be able to apply logic or even honesty to TFMJG's behavior!
''TO THIS DAY SHE REALLY BELIEVES SHE WAS THE ONLY ONE WORKING, THE KIDS WERE JUST PLAYING!''

Insert Creative Username Here said...

Vanessa said... 157
There are some narcissists who aren't that bad, either because they have through some sort of luck realized that they are ego-centric and try to curtail it, or because they haven't been fed as much as attention so they don't necessarily think they deserve more of it. But there's definitely degrees to it.
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Some aren't as bad because they don't have an entourage of enablers.
Someone or something keeps them in check IN PUBLIC. Privately? They are all the same.
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Vanessa, you have much more first hand experience with narcissists, so I don't want to go against you. I respect everything you've said on here, and my opposing opinion comes from a place of respect.

It has not been my experience that at home all narcissists are the same. Just like there are different degrees of depression, I believe there are different degrees of narcissism. My grandmother was a very physically and emotionally abusive narcissist. She was mean and toxic. I didn't have a relationship with her because my mother shielded us from her, however I was an observant kid and saw what went on around me. My mother had a very hard time dealing with life because of her upbringing.

However, I also have an aunt (different side of the family) whose also a narcissist, and she is not physically abusive. She just monopolizes conversations and turns everything around to her. She thinks everyone wants to be her, and is always quick to give unprompted advice. She pitted her kids against each other and has a golden child, and was emotionally abusive in this way, but she was never the way my grandmother is. She's not outright mean.

I like to think it's because of exactly what you said, my aunt doesn't have the enablers that my grandmother had. No one will stand up to my aunt, but we also don't fawn all over her either, or give her the attention that she thinks she deserves. We just kind of ignore the behavior as much as we can. One of her daughters (the non golden child) went into therapy, but doesn't feel like she needs to cut her mother out of her life.

Whereas my mom cut out her mother at the age of 17. She only went down to visit once a year out of guilt. She took us when we were little, but when my grandmother started being emotionally abusive to us, she just went by herself.

Okay this became a long winded comment. But my point is I've known different shades of narcissism, and the kind TFW has, those kids better run, because she's progressively getting worse, and the only way for them to be any kind of healthy human being is to cut her out completely.

Over And Out said...

So why all the secrecy? It appears that somebody knows who Milo in particular is. Why are people afraid of outing her? I can't figure it out. There are people on twitter that appear to know who she is.

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I haven't seen that. They'll call her several names and I always thought they were just guessing because nobody ever came right out and confirmed anything. However, the "real" names, addresses, employment, family members' names, etc. of quite a few of the other main sheeple have been out there for some time.

Localyocul said...

Oh, boy! I bet Katie Irene contacted this one faster than you can say "has-been"!!

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I went to her website and a lot of the shows she produces are about plastic surgery haha

Over And Out said...

Amy Ashton ‏@AmyAshton12 3m

@Kateplusmy8 I have a couple TV& Magazine oops 4 u. What is a contact number 4 u? Send to http://amyashtonprods.com w/ ur name in subject line

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LOL! I think Kate's done enough "oops" in her life and really shouldn't be too anxious to do any more!

Anonymous said...

PatK said... 158

wow she is a huge producer and is very much real. She is well respected in the industry. Julie must be gone for her to be contacting Kate directly.

luckyk8

Vanessa said...

Insert Creative Name Here said :Okay this became a long winded comment. But my point is I've known different shades of narcissism, and the kind TFW has, those kids better run, because she's progressively getting worse, and the only way for them to be any kind of healthy human being is to cut her out completely.
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First off, thank you for your very polite intro! :) You're right, everyone's narcissist is different. I shouldn't' have painted them all with the same broad brush. I feel though, they are all capable of the same exact abuse if given the right victim and the right enablers. They've all got it in them.
I appreciate everyone's stories here too. They make me feel less of a... "freak"? I feel I'm more honest and open here about my childhood then anywhere else. I'm anonymous yet feel that I have great support, or at least a commonality with many of you here:)

capecodmama said...

Auntie Ann...152 Thankfully, Braid Paisley doesn't act like McNibbletts.

Ally...118 Lucky you that you know Craig Breslow. Watching the playoffs this year was fun and my husband and I both decided our new favorite player is Xander Boegarts (sp). Love that kid.

TFW is going to be pissed that Jon got more airtime on Oprah than she did on Nightline. Oh well. She's still boring.

Over And Out said...

lol!! I guess Lauren missed the Alaska camping episode and the RV trip, not to mention countless other shows where TFW was anything but cool! How can these fans type this nonsense and still keep a straight face? Are they that clueless that they actually believe what they tweet her?

Lauren ‏@ljohnson2006 2h
@Kateplusmy8 I admire your courage and ability to keep your cool in certain situations. You're teaching your kids great life lessons

Kylie said...

I know who Goody is and where she lives as I suspect a lot of people do. RWA had it posted over and over again. I just still can't understand what good it does to know a name and location. This whole mess boils down to opinions not bullying!

Millicent said...

Blowing in the Wind said:
Hope explained that this wasn't done for money. She wasn't arrested for scamming money, but for "theft of services" committed against Paisley (his singing the song for her "daughter").
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No, Hope's scam wasn't apparently done for money. I think this is a disturbed woman who did this for attention, and without regard for the hurt she was causing to others. She needs mental help, but I'm not sure she's getting it. She seems to understand that what she did was wrong, but I bet she'll do something like this again.

Silimom said...

A dad was branded by a court psychologist as wholly unable to parent his child and recommended reduced visitation because the father would not take the child to McDonalds when the child had a temper tantrum.

Gee, 15'rs - what do you think? Horrible dad or misguided psychologist?

http://m.nydailynews.com/new-york/dad-sues-shrink-son-mcdonald-article-1.1509669

Millicent said...

Let's Throw Tomatoes said:
. I never had a relationship with my mother but then I think what great kids I have and that I love them and they love me. And that helps a lot!
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I am truly sorry that you did not have a loving relationship with your mother. But amazed and happy that you turned it around for the next generation and said "that's not going to happen when I have children." So you gave your children something you did not have - the gift of a happy, loving childhood. Beautiful. And they in turn, will pass the love along to the next generation.

Silimom said...

I don't think Kate will be responding to Ms. Ashton, given the types of reality shows she executive produces:

http://amyashton.com/tvshows.htm

Vanessa said...

''TO THIS DAY SHE REALLY BELIEVES SHE WAS THE ONLY ONE WORKING, THE KIDS WERE JUST PLAYING!''
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LOL Don't forget Jon too!!

Vanessa said...

@Insert Creative Name,
I did post something in response to your post, if it goes through after this one, I apologize (just noticed my last post went through)
First of all, thank you for your very polite intro! I do appreciate the conversations here:) You're right, not all narcissists are the same and I shouldn't paint them all with the same broad brush. I DO feel though that they are all capable of extreme violence and abuse given the right victim or enabler. They all have it in them.
Although I am anonymous here, I do feel I can be myself and have an outlet to get things off my chest. I've spoken more about my childhood here than in my personal life. It's very much, most times, a place of support and I find a lot of commonality here. I don't feel like such a...freak?

rainbowsandunicorns said...

I know who Goody is and where she lives as I suspect a lot of people do. RWA had it posted over and over again. I just still can't understand what good it does to know a name and location. This whole mess boils down to opinions not bullying!

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It doesn't do any good at all. Her name and location is well known, and there are photos of her online. It's no secret and she hasn't denied it. There really isn't any point, though, in knowing names and addresses. However, in the case of the over-the-top Chief Ewe, I think that if this is a Catfish, then there are many people (maybe even Kate) who are being bamboozled. It would be interesting to know who this person is, if she/he is a paid PR person, or exactly what is going on.

Anonymous said...

Vanessa said... 175

Although I am anonymous here, I do feel I can be myself and have an outlet to get things off my chest. I've spoken more about my childhood here than in my personal life. It's very much, most times, a place of support and I find a lot of commonality here. I don't feel like such a...freak?

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Not a freak. Like a square peg, always trying to fit in a round hole. At least that's how I always felt.

PJ

rainbowsandunicorns said...

I don't think Kate will be responding to Ms. Ashton, given the types of reality shows she executive produces:

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Well, why in the world not? These shows seem to be tailor-made for Kate!

"Fake or Real-- A Comedy Game Show.

A panel of celebrity judges guess which of the three contestants competing
for a cash prize are telling the real plastic surgery story."

GOOD BRA, anyone? :-)

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"Drastic...Anything But Plastic

-See people do practically anything to avoid going under the knife and get an "attitude adjustment."
With Amy Ashton, beauty correspondent and bitch-coach. "

Bitch-coach? What in the heck is a bitch coach? Is the contestant required to be a bitch-celebrity?

getofftwitter said...

Well, if this person is some big producer, why is she contacting Kate through twitter? Does Kate not have a PR person? Or purseboy?, Does seem to be un-professional? What about Kate publisher? Somebody must be representing Kate? An agent? Don't producers, go through agents/PR etc, not twitter?

Admin? anyone?

Bitchy Pants said...

Admin 23 -- It's happened to me several times in the past couple of weeks. I log in, start reading comments, type a post and when I hit publish a red message comes up that due to an internal blog error, it can't be published. The post doesn't disappear or go through, it just sits there laughing at me. There's no indication that the thread has been closed and another thread started, so apparently each time you've posted a new thread as I've been reading/typing. If I open the blog in another window, sure enough, there's a new thread. I don't know if there's any remedy for it. It's just frustrating that I couldn't post my words of wisdom (snark, snark, LOL). However, given a choice between having this happen and having to go back to the old threads constantly to see additional posts, I'll take the getting my posts cut off!

Auntie Ann -- I think you insulted the jackalopes when you called TFMJG one. They're such shy, gentle creatures, I'm sure they don't appreciate being compared to her.

handinhand -- If Skeeve were an honorable man, he would have asked to be replaced the minute Jon said he suspected an affair between Skeeve and TFMJG. Instead, he managed to insinuate himself into every aspect of her life, until she was unable to function without him. So yes, I do believe he played a large part in the break-up of the marriage.

Tucker's Mom said...

Oh, this conundrum is quite delicious, isn't it?
Kate gets contacted to be on a plastic surgery show.
TV! Yay! I'm going to be on TV again!
But wait.... Kate denies any and all plastic surgery/injectables etc except her tummy tuck...
What to do?
The lying liar who lies has quite the catch 22 on her hands.

Rearranging the Deck Chairs on the Titanic said...

To Getofftwitter (#180): I don't know that answer to your question, but I'll add… Bueller…? Bueller….?

PatK said...

"Bitch-Coach"? lol

Kate sure doesn't need one of THOSE.

TLC stinks said...

Wow. You guys know more than me. I have no idea who Goody is.

Jane said...

Radar Online has the deposition taken from Tom Cruise in his lawsuit against In Touch magazine. I may be wrong, but I thought depositions were private? If so, I have to believe they'll get the Gosselin depositions if they could get inside info from Cruise's lawsuit.

http://amradaronline.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/tom-cruise-depo_redacted.pdf

Mel said...

When my comment won't post for the above mentioned reason, then I scroll down to the bottom of this gray area, right above 'sign up for blog updates', where there is a line that says New Post, Home, Older Post in red.

That's how I can tell if there is a new post or not. If there isn't a new post, there is nothing on the left hand side of the line.

If there is a new post, then I copy my comment, go to the new post, and paste my comment there. Although sometimes my comment isn't applicable anymore (cuz this is one fast moving blog, lol), so I skip pasting altogether in that case.

Call Me Crazy said...

Admin, I want to add to your comments about Johnny Depp. (I know this is somewhat off-topic, but hey, when Johnny Depp is mentioned, all bets are off.)

It is easy to understand how he could have been duped by this particular catfisher. Back in 2007, his daughter (who was 7 at the time) had a life-threatening illness and was hospitalized for 9 days. Fortunately, she recovered fully, but I imagine that that terrifying experience made him particularly sensitive to the needs of families with seriously ill children.

He travels with his Captain Jack Sparrow costume and has been known to go to childrens hospitals ("kiddie hospitals" as he calls them) dressed as the captain to visit with and entertain the kids.

And that is my Johnny Depp fact of the day!

Let's throw tomatoes said...

Blowing in the wind I find your point of view extremely interesting. You are telling us that you think that Kate should continue this path of destruction involving not only herself but her children because it would be harmful to the kids if she fails. How so?? It can't be worse for them. They do not live in a normal home environment and they would at least have a chance to survive childhood if she stops living in the world of "GOSSELIN LAND" ! Kate needs to come down and join the real world.

You have a choice you choose Kate or you choose the kids. I choose the kids! Kate has lived a good part of her life but the kids have not begun to live theirs. I have hope that Kate can , with medical help, improve her relationship with her kids and live a semi normal life.

Kate needs to fall before she gets up.

Millicent thank you.

Dmasy said...

I am reading all the comments. You guys have a lot to say and you say it well. Admin is keeping us busy with new topics.

Thanks for all those who shared details from a painful past. That is brave of you.

Waving my hand in the air -- I am here!

localyocul said...

TLC stinks said... 185
Wow. You guys know more than me. I have no idea who Goody is.

(((((((((

Me neither. Except she's black, conservative, Catholic, Pro-life and hates Jon.

Lalalalala said...

I've admitted to everyone here that I was abused as a child, a teen and an adult by my mother but I've been reading all of the posts about having a narcissist as a mother and I reluctantly admit to that also. I didn't realize this until I heard everyone's stories.

I'm one of nine children. My mother LOVED babies. When we got old enough to talk she was done with us. And she always had a favorite kid. I've been a rebel since the day I was born and she didn't like that. That didn't go with her perfect family persona so I got blamed for everything my brother's and sister's did. There was never any questions asked of anyone. I just found myself dragged into my bedroom and beaten for....what?? I never knew. And no one ever fessed up to their wrong doing either.

When I got married, we moved about an hour away from my home town where my mother lived. I had no one. I got pregnant with my first child and when I told her there was no response. Nothing. She just stared at me. She ignored my kids when they were growing up. She had her favorite grandchildren and it was obvious. I had my kids with me when we were shopping one day and here comes my mother with a huge shopping cart full of toys and clothes for their cousins (my moms favorite grandchildren) and she made sure to take out every single thing she had in that cart to show what she bought for my nieces and nephew while my kids are standing there watching. My kids cried when they got out to the parking lot. How do you explain that to a five and seven-year old?

I could go on and on. I could probably write a book but I won't bore you with the details here.

I just want to thank everyone who has shared their pain and their triumphs here. This is a safe place to go. There are many of us in this world, unfortunately.

My mother died in 2005 and I have forgiven her. I had to. But her legacy is one I will not carry on.

handinhand said...

"Bitch-Coach"? lol

Kate sure doesn't need one of THOSE.
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Maybe Amy just wanted to check in with her mentor.

Tucker's Mom said...

I had my kids with me when we were shopping one day and here comes my mother with a huge shopping cart full of toys and clothes for their cousins (my moms favorite grandchildren) and she made sure to take out every single thing she had in that cart to show what she bought for my nieces and nephew while my kids are standing there watching. My kids cried when they got out to the parking lot. How do you explain that to a five and seven-year old?
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Wow. That is heartbreaking. Kudos to you for coming to peace with your mother.

AuntieAnn said...

Bitchy Pants said... 181

Auntie Ann -- I think you insulted the jackalopes when you called TFMJG one. They're such shy, gentle creatures, I'm sure they don't appreciate being compared to her.

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Oh alright Bitchy. My apologies to the good Jackalopes of Wyoming. I was only thinking about TFW in terms of mythological creatures. My bad.

I don't know what creature she could symbolize for PA? The Keystone Kon?

Let's throw tomatoes said...

Im working on a project so I'm taking some Kate time off. I might be going on a New York trip with hubby and if I do I will have my hair done at Ted Gibson's hair salon. If I do I'll let you know how that goes!

So I wish everyone a happy and healthy holiday season!!

Blowing In The Wind said...

Blowing in the wind I find your point of view extremely interesting. You are telling us that you think that Kate should continue this path of destruction involving not only herself but her children because it would be harmful to the kids if she fails. How so??

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I didn't tell you that at all -- not even remotely close. You said you were happy that Kate is crashing and that it's not going to hurt the kids:

"I'm happy she is crashing down (?) and hope the fall is heard around the world . No one here should think this is going to hurt the kids, it the opposite."

Perhaps it's a matter of semantics. What do you mean by "crashing?" Yes, she needs to realize that enough is enough, she's finished with the celebrity life that she has known, and it's time to face reality and be a parent to those kids, admit she has a problem and get some professional help. But "crashing?"

I have no idea how you could have gotten that out of my post. My point was that "crashing" is not anything to be happy about because it could send someone into a state of despair. Mental illness is no joke, and you implied that in the long run, it might be good for the kids. I don't see how anyone who "crashes" could have any kind of positive effect on those kids. It must be indeed frightening to watch a parent "crash" and not know what to do about it, how to handle it, and ultimately if that parent is confined to a mental health facility because of it, the worries that those children would face. Would they blame themselves to see their mother in such a condition, somehow thinking they didn't behave, weren't good enough, and couldn't make mommy happy because they were no longer of interest to any network?

You said at one time that you were a teacher, and as such, you must know just a bit about child psychology. Teachers are happy when a parent crashes? What do you tell a student, who comes to school in tears because their mother or father has suffered a nervous breakdown? Is the teacher happy because of it? I just don't understand how anyone could be happy to see a parent totally "lose it," or "crash."

localyocul said...

Just watched Nightline. Munchausen by Internet makes me think of TFW's one fan that loves ((((hugs)))). She is known for fantastical medical stories. Earlier this year she supposedly blew a hole in her heart but never got it repaired, then said she had has 3 heart surgeries since then. OoohKAYY

Tucker's Mom said...

I don't see how anyone who "crashes" could have any kind of positive effect on those kids. It must be indeed frightening to watch a parent "crash" and not know what to do about it, how to handle it, and ultimately if that parent is confined to a mental health facility because of it, the worries that those children would face. Would they blame themselves to see their mother in such a condition, somehow thinking they didn't behave, weren't good enough, and couldn't make mommy happy because they were no longer of interest to any network?
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I have the exact same thoughts about the kids blaming themselves and being very stressed about Kate's lawsuit.
Kate claims she's protecting them, but truly, she's causing them untold harm.
I can not imagine the anxiety they must feel, between the divorce, their parents acrimony and now a lawsuit.
Kate is a really unwell person.

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

localyocul said... 198
Just watched Nightline. Munchausen by Internet makes me think of TFW's one fan that loves ((((hugs)))). She is known for fantastical medical stories. Earlier this year she supposedly blew a hole in her heart but never got it repaired, then said she had has 3 heart surgeries since then. OoohKAYY
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She also used a total stranger's picture as her avatar at one time.

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