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1399 sediments (sic) from readers:
«Oldest ‹Older 1201 – 1399 of 1399 Newer› Newest»I am very disappointed in the so-called haters apologizing to Kate. I am dissapointed with this site's apology as well. I am not sorry about the video- I thought it was funny and clever and witty and I still do
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Just because something may be witty, funny and clever doesn't mean a reasonable person might see it as threatening. Apparently that's how some people interpreted it. Wrongly, but it happened.
Now let's take the Hitler video. A reasonable person should not see that as a threat, so no one should ever have to apologize for that, either for making it, posting it, or laughing at it. The difference between the two was the perceived threat. No one was apologizing for making FUN of the situation or making a parody about the situation and no one was saying that it wasn't permitted under free speech.
"I've not been a fan of Rick Pitino's since he was coach of the Boston Celtics. My impression of him is that he's a skeevy, little worm."
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I feel the same way about Doc! Running and ducking now! ;-)
I believe that they have, and will post the evidence on Jon, an attorney and Hoffman. They have a track record of doing what they say they are going to do.
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I hope that if there is one piece of information that can't be proven to be true that they get the pants sued off of them.
Ex Nurse (193) - Time will tell as to who got it right about Jon.
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And if you were wrong about Jon in this case, will you acknowledge that your 'speculation' was incorrect?
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 23m
@Kateplusmy8 So what are U and ur #AlmostTeens up to this evening? Sharing a movie?
199 Why not take a road trip up north and look through her windows?
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Milo must be perusing this blog since someone mentioned sounds like old K8's alone and...nothing. Milo is fishing for her to say she's doing something with some of the kids, lol.
AAAAARGGHHHHHHHHHH!! Blogger hates me again. It keeps swallowing my posts. Lately, it's been swallowing them while I'm still typing.
When an adult does something that others perceive as offensive, an adult apologizes. It's the right thing to do. Yes, I'm looking at you, too, Katie Irene.
Ex Nurse -- to answer your question about the money First of all, I doubt that any money will be made on Robert's book, because he has said that all proceeds will be donated to an organization that works with abused children. Therefore, IF Jon collaborated on the book, there would be no money for him to make. However, IF he did collaborate and earned some money doing so, I wouldn't object. No, it's not exploiting the children to make their plight known, and it just might help to rectify some gross miscarriages of justice.
Susie Cincinnati I will say it plain and simple. Kate had a lot of freaking time on her hands. Let's add that she was( is) extremely lazy, monster mom and many enablers who kept quiet!
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Well, that's a bit condescending. I would believe that everyone understands that you blame TLC for giving Kate a show, and as such, viewers watching the episodes contributed to her abusing her kids. However, I would also think that few agree with this assessment.
Kate retweeted the following from Milo:
@MiloandJack: @Kateplusmy8 Reminder of another way 2play it forward...pre-order extra copies of #LoveIsInTheMix & give it 2a friend! #ShareAGoodThing :)
Is this really a way to pay it forward or is Kate just retweeting to line her own pockets? Am I a bully if I say that Kate really does prove herself to be a complete and utter ass hat time and time again?
Ex Nurse said... 193
''Some people here have said that they don't care if it turns out that Jon actively participated in getting and/or giving the info to Hoffman. According to Bullyville, Jon will also share in the profits. I am simply wondering if money would change anyone's mind about Jon. Answer it if you like, or just scroll on by if you don't want to hear what I have to say. Time will tell as to who got it right about Jon.''
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I have no problem talking about what I think....and this is MY opinion only. There is ONE thing that is important to me, and that is that KK violently beat her toddler babies and neglected/abused the dogs, and SOMEONE let everyone know.
I believe that Robert is a brave man, one who has refused to be silenced. I admire him. I also like Jon and the fact that HE had the good sense and character to shut down his twitter and keep silent...no matter how difficult it must be with all the bad-mouthing going on. He spends time with his children and doesn't exploit them in any way. That is also to be admired.
I don't care IF Jon gave Robert the information. I don't care IF Jon makes money from the ''profits''.
Having said that, I do NOT believe that Jon is making any money from this, and I DO believe Robert about how/when he got the information.
Ha ha, Milo is phishing for information. Milo reads here, she wants to know what car ( perhaps a new one?) kate is driving, whether she really did participate in any sporting events, and what the plan is for twins tonight, besides just tweeting with them the whole time they might be at Jon's.
Also why wish your kids life away. They will not be twins till the fall. let them enjoy being 12.
Ex Nurse said... 194
''Remona---I just read your response to my post again. I was saying that they said that they had traced the haters and would post the proof--and they did. Therefore, based on that, IMO, I believe that they have, and will post the evidence on Jon, an attorney and Hoffman. They have a track record of doing what they say they are going to do.
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Tracing ''haters'' and posting the information about the ''haters'' is one thing. That is easy to do. As computer semi-literate as I am, I'm sure if I put my mind to it, I could do the same thing.
However, for you to make the huge leap from successfully outting people to assuming they have done the same thing with evidence on Jon, an attorney and Hoffman is, in my opinion, a very illogical conclusion. Don't you think that IF they had that information KK would have it in the law offices of Laverne & Shirley? I do.
Time will tell about Bv and his ''evidence''.
And if you were wrong about Jon in this case, will you acknowledge that your 'speculation' was incorrect?
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Good question. I don't think Hoffman is going to make any money off this book, or very little. I do not think Jon would want any portion of that money. He has demonstrated by his actions over the past few years that he wants his children to have as normal a life as possible. He avoids publicity except the occasional local fundraiser, etc. He is kind to people who approach him in public. He is good to his children. Yet some people simply hate him, and I guess they always will. Some cannot forgive his past transgressions nor move on, no matter how much time has passed.
Jon made so many mistakes and bad decisions. But underneath it all, he was a decent person. He loves his children. He tries to be a good dad. How can anyone put him on the same level as Kate? She has never been a decent person, she physically and emotionally abuses her children, she has taken the money they earned and greedily keeps it for herself, and she doesn't give a care about what is in the best interests of the children. There simply is no comparison in my eyes. One person is flawed but basically decent; while the other is cruel, abusive, greedy, and mentally ill.
But enough of that - it's 7:45 p.m. Dinner is over, dishes are done, and I'm going to make a pot of coffee and join my son in watching some tv. He works part time on Saturdays, so he is usually tired on Saturday nights and likes to just hang out at home. I just snuck down briefly to the computer, but if I stay down here too long, he'll call to me and ask when I'm coming back to the living room.
No more computer for several hours, no tweeting ever, no IM'ing and ignoring my child. Life is good.
So far today Milo has: inquired about the kids' sporting events, asked KG what car she's driving, wondered about what KG and her twins might be doing, asked about movie watching. She really should just drive up and look through a window, or watch with binoculars from the gate. And her #tags are getting more and more icky. Someone needs a time out.
For anyone who has a problem with people not taking personal responsibility, check this out:
http://dietrolldie.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/hurtfeelingsform.pdf
Cape cod mama, I am watching syracuse Michigan game, it is great game!
Shaka Smart signed a new contract extension with VCU that goes thru 2023. He was quoted talking about the Michigan team that beat them in the second round this year. Richmond and VCU love Shaka and will do a lot to keep him happy! His wife really likes living in Virginia, and he says she its the boss!
I don't think that's condescending at all. That's how I feel and it's my opinion and you are entitled to yours! That's what so great about this country!!
Awwww, I'm finally home, and haven't read any of the comments yet but I will catch up! I find people on this blog fascinating ,funny , smart , kind ( Pink is one of the nicest person on this blog, hands down) and some are obnoxious ! That's what makes this blog interesting!!
I will read all the comments and comment later!
BTW, when is Robert's book coming out, I want to buy it even though I bought the first one.
Admin. When is your book coming out? One of my kids wants a copy!
Time DID tell when it came to Celebrity Wife Swap. There were a few people convinced that Jon must have been involved with that and not only that receiving kickbacks from it. Time DID tell with that, indeed he was not consulted, per Kate's own words. Indeed he had nothing to do with it, per Kate's own words. I'm not sure how many times he needs to be vindicated before people believe it.
A reasonable person should not see that as a threat, so no one should ever have to apologize for that, either for making it, posting it, or laughing at it.
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admin -- I still have to laugh when I think about the secretaries saying, "Don't worry. No one can afford that cruise. That s##t ain't happening." It was just so random!
MiloandJack
@kateplusmy8 @Bullyville In absence of the bullies, it's been a peaceful/positive timeline here! I'll take this anyday! Now Kate can sleep
Peggy Scot
@MiloandJack @kateplusmy8 @BullyVille Please don't say things like that Fired Up! It's like saying Beetlejuice three times in a row!
MiloandJack
@Msgoody2shoes21 @kateplusmy8 @BullyVille What do U mean @PeggyScot am I missing something?
Yes Milo it means STFU
Shows the sheeple are getting annoyed with Milo.
Peggy is a huge Kate fan, Was booked on the cruise!
Ex Nurse said... 193
''Some people here have said that they don't care if it turns out that Jon actively participated in getting and/or giving the info to Hoffman. According to Bullyville, Jon will also share in the profits. I am simply wondering if money would change anyone's mind about Jon. Answer it if you like, or just scroll on by if you don't want to hear what I have to say. Time will tell as to who got it right about Jon.''
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I have no problem talking about what I think....and this is MY opinion only. There is ONE thing that is important to me, and that is that KK violently beat her toddler babies and neglected/abused the dogs, and SOMEONE let everyone know.
I believe that Robert is a brave man, one who has refused to be silenced. I admire him. I also like Jon and the fact that HE had the good sense and character to shut down his twitter and keep silent...no matter how difficult it must be with all the bad-mouthing going on. He spends time with his children and doesn't exploit them in any way. That is also to be admired.
I don't care IF Jon gave Robert the information. I don't care IF Jon makes money from the ''profits''.
Having said that, I do NOT believe that Jon is making any money from this, and I DO believe Robert about how/when he got the information.
Over And Out said... 6
Ex Nurse (193) - Time will tell as to who got it right about Jon.
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And if you were wrong about Jon in this case, will you acknowledge that your 'speculation' was incorrect?
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Of course I will. I would like nothing more than to think that Jon is a great father and has pure intentions. But, if nothing comes of Bullyville's claim, what would that prove? Just that they don't have proof--not that the claim isn't true. I think anyone who reads here knows my opinion of Jon, and some agree and others don't. I just don't believe he wasn't involved in Hoffman obtaining that info. I think it is exactly what a passive-aggressive person would do. And, BTW, he has used that term to describe his own behavior. Some people aren't bothered by that, but, I am. I am a very direct person and I have a very difficult time dealing with underhanded, sneaky behavior. I think that a father who exposes his children's mother is damaging. Some people disagree. Life goes on...
As I said, I was speculating. It was a crappy rainy day in Seattle, and I was bored.
Sorry to go OT, but I've been waiting 20 years for my beloved Wolverines to make a basketball comeback. GO BLUE!!
Where do my comments go??? I responded to Sherry Baby but my comments are gone! Remona Blue I agree with with you about Jon and Robert ! Where is this evidence?? He is just blowing smoke! If he had any evidence the media would already have it and reporting on it!
Earlier today someone said that Kate should have gotten out of this mess from the beginning. Are you kidding me!! Kate is the mastermind of this whole mess.
Let's review the evidence we have:
Kate is told by her lawyers that she can't stop the book.
Kate starts her PR to rewrite history
Kate goes on daily how she loves, loves, loves, loves her kids
A source of Kate's says she will fight tooth and nails against Gosselinbook.
Kate doesn't block her haters
Kate aligns herself with Bullyville
Kate cries I'm being bullied.
Kate and Bullyville go after defenseless people who don't fight back.
Kate is such a sweetie and buys a stranger coffee,please bitch!
Haters are stalking her home
Oh, and most important runs over,over,over Jon with huge bus!!!
Have a nice night!!
Anyone who actually has enough self reflection to call themselves passive aggressive probably really isn't truly passive aggressive. I think Jon was passive and held things in, but passive-aggressive implies true deviant behavior. I think he is more like passive resistant, which is different thing. I just can't think of specific examples when we saw the aggressive part on the show.
It reminds me of Kendra's perception of her life. She painted a picture like all she did was lounge around. I don't see how that humanely possible when you look at her IMDB. Unless she sent her body double in to take part in all those projects. Sometimes how people describe themselves is not entirely accurate, some people are more self deprecating than reality. Kate has the opposite problem, she has a rainbows and lollypops view of her reality. That said, I think it's wonderful that someone of those two got to the point where they started to reflect on their own behavior and shortcomings. That is only going to help the kids.
"Let's review the evidence we have:
Haters are stalking her home"
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Evidence? Or the gospel according to Kate?
"Kate is told by her lawyers that she can't stop the book."
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No evidence what the attorneys did or didn't tell her. Attorney-client privilege. Maybe SHE couldn't stop the book, but somebody had it pulled. Temporarily, according to internet articles.
Where's Robert? Hopefully getting his ducks in a row...
Let's throw tomatoes said... 16
''Where do my comments go???''
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I have no idea where the comments are going! I responded to Ex-Nurse's first question of me, and then again to her follow-up question. The response to the follow-up posted, but the first response didn't. Then I re-posted the first response again...and now neither of them has posted! Now I wonder if this one will go off into the air, or actually post to the blog! sigh
admin -- I still have to laugh when I think about the secretaries saying, "Don't worry. No one can afford that cruise. That s##t ain't happening." It was just so random!
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LOL Sleepless. That was truly an inspired moment. I needed something for them to say and since Hitler/Kate was upset about Marie Osmond and her cruise it just fit. Oh and they were right!
In case you haven't seen it here's the link:
http://www.realitytvkids.com/2012/03/no-more-booby-guard.html?m=1
I don't follow basketball....well except when it's Syracuse of Michigan. I would have been happy if either won for different reasons, go Big 10!
Didn't Brooke Shields on the View ask kate if Jon was consulted about doing CWS? And kate said, no, that decision was made by my children and ME!
She knew Jon would haul her bony behind into court to get a judge to stop it. She had TLC Attorney Delta Force on speed dial when he went to court about the kids going to Australia.
I can't believe this twitter juvenile behavior. McGiblets will not be happy when all this comes out. Hoping the book will be out soon.
I got a rare treat today for lunch. I have been eating hospital and Nhome food now for about a month and I was able to get Chinese! Yellow Fried Rice and Sesame Chicken and a reg. Coke! yay!
I guess kate tonight ordered takeout from NOBU, drank a box of wine, freezer cookies for desert,while twittering away instead of doing laundry, dishes, cleaning the chicken coop.
She saves that for her littles minions!
Boy you sure can tell ole Stevie boy is not around anymore. She has jumped from the eggs in the chicken coop right into frying pan in her book. Hehe. Ok, not very funny I admit.
Somewhere In Time said... 123
If this is true, doesn't that mean that Jon is exploiting his children?
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I think that bridge can be crossed if it comes to that. Why speculate on something that was just rumored but not shown to be true? Right now it seems like BV is throwing whatever out there he can to see what sticks.
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Half the posts here are speculation about Kate. Why isn't speculation about Jon fair game?
And as soon as I said my comments weren't appearing, suddenly my first response to Ex-Nurse appeared! Now I'm going to ask Ex-Nurse a question from this:
Ex Nurse said... 16
''....I think that a father who exposes his children's mother is damaging.''
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That statement just flat floors me! First...you're stating as fact that Jon DID have something to do w/Robert getting the information. That is NOT a fact.
Getting past that, you saying ''I think that a father who exposes his children's mother is damaging'' is shocking to me. How on earth would a father (or anyone else) exposing that someone is a violent child abuser be damaging? Damaging to who? How can exposing a child abuser be a bad thing? The children KNOW they're being abused...so how can exposing that be bad for them?
Maybe you mean that KK is damaged? I hope that she IS damaged for what she has done to those children. What is wrong with damaging KK's reputation as a wonderful mother? She is NOT a wonderful mother.
Either I don't understand what you mean--or if I do understand.....no wonder we don't agree!!
Half the posts here are speculation about Kate. Why isn't speculation about Jon fair game?
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Simple, Jon isn't a public figure anymore putting everything he does out there. That's how I feel anyway. It's become an apples and oranges situation. He's earned a little bit of restraint. Kate should be treated the same if she ever does the same.
And as soon as I said my comments weren't appearing, suddenly my first response to Ex-Nurse appeared! Now I'm going to ask Ex-Nurse a question from this:
Ex Nurse said... 16
''....I think that a father who exposes his children's mother is damaging.''
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That statement just flat floors me! First...you're stating as fact that Jon DID have something to do w/Robert getting the information. That is NOT a fact.
Getting past that, you saying ''I think that a father who exposes his children's mother is damaging'' is shocking to me. How on earth would a father (or anyone else) exposing that someone is a violent child abuser be damaging? Damaging to who? How can exposing a child abuser be a bad thing? The children KNOW they're being abused...so how can exposing that be bad for them?
Maybe you mean that KK is damaged? I hope that she IS damaged for what she has done to those children. What is wrong with damaging KK's reputation as a wonderful mother. She is NOT a wonderful mother.
Either I don't understand what you mean--or if I do understand.....no wonder we don't agree!!
LOL Sleepless. That was truly an inspired moment. I needed something for them to say and since Hitler/Kate was upset about Marie Osmond and her cruise it just fit. Oh and they were right!
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I know! It was even more funny when the cruise was cancelled and we went back and looked at the secretaries saying that. It was one of the best parts of that video. Of course, "The paparazzi, the haters, the Palins, and anyone who goes by the name of Aunt Jodi, you are dismissed now" and then watching some of them sheepishly walk out, is pretty darn funny, too!
Hold up...how can folks in one breath say Jon should have done something (again assuming nothing was done) about the child abuse. But now he shouldn't expose his children's mother? You can't do much about child abuse unless you expose it. So which is it, Jon should stop the child abuse or he shouldn't?
And what's so silly is this is all based on knowing absolutely nothing, zero, about Jon's involvement or what was or wasn't done by him and others. Usually when speculation goes on about Kate there's at least SOME clues to base it off on. Here we have nothing. I find it fantastical to believe that, for instance, Aunt Jodi would go all the way to a state Congressional hearing to discuss her concerns, but wouldn't make a simple phone call to a social worker too. And we all know how seriously PA used to take their child abuse referrals. Penn State anyone.
I think what would be most scary to know about this story is exactly how much may have been tried to help, that was ultimately shut down. I think it would blow us away.
I like the part where Hitler is listing all the things he will have to give up now that his contract with TLC is up, and mentions the trips. This causes one of his advisors to sweat and pull on his collar lol.
And last year, when Jon was doing interviews and twittering, he was discussed here. When he closed Twitter and went back to being a private person he wasn't discussed as much because there was nothing to discuss.
If Kate did the same, she'd have the privacy she claims to want. The thing is she doesn't want privacy. She wants no one to criticize her. Well, that is unrealistic anyway but more so when you're putting yourself out there for public consumption.
Yes exactly sillimom. He was discussed a lot more when he was more active in the public eye. When he left most had the respect to let him be.
To me it would be hypocritical to ask Kate to get off twitter and go get a real job and lead a private life and then if she did that, to continue to talk about her. If she ever does that, I will make active efforts to completely transform this blog into just a general reality t.v. kids thing, which is a big part of what we are about anyway.
Whether folks following this saga choose to respect or not respect Jon's decision to pretty much leave the public eye demonstrates whether we mean what we say when we say that about Kate.
MiloandJack
@Msgoody2shoes21 @kateplusmy8 @BullyVille What do U mean @PeggyScot am I missing something?
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Yes, Milo...any last remaining pieces of whatever sanity you had left!
Sleepless, the proof is in the pudding. The book is coming out, isn't it??
The stalker is what Kate is saying, yes!
And Kate didn't really run over Jon, last picture I saw of Jon he did not have tire marks!
We don't have to take things so seriously, we can pull things out of a hat,just like Kate! LOL
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 33
''I think what would be most scary to know about this story is exactly how much may have been tried to help, that was ultimately shut down. I think it would blow us away.''
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I agree! I have a sneaky suspicion that MANY people have tried to help by reporting. I think the thing that has to change is PA's definition of abuse. The Gosselin children were responsible for PA's laws about filming children being changed. Maybe if the book is re-released, the uproar will influence PA changing the law about abuse?
"The stalker is what Kate is saying, yes!"
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I'm confused. You said:
"Let's review the evidence we have:"
Now you are saying the stalker is what Kate says, so it's not evidence except in her own mind. So the "evidence" you cited was sarcasm?
"Sleepless, the proof is in the pudding. The book is coming out, isn't it??"
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I don't know...is it?
Remona said: "The Gosselin children were responsible for PA's laws about filming children being changed. Maybe if the book is re-released, the uproar will influence PA changing the law about abuse?"
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It's in the works. No need to wait for the release of the book. A task force was created after the Sandusky scandal.
http://articles.philly.com/2013-03-20/news/37846953_1_child-abuse-child-abuse-jerry-sandusky
Hi Luke bandit, so glad you could get Chinese! Glad you are feeling better.
Boo, I loved the Michigan syracuse game, and I am very happy Michigan won! one question: if Michigan is big blue, how come their uniforms are that bright neon yellow? I thought we were going to have to adjust the color on the TV, between the orange syracuse uniforms and the BRIGHT yellow Michigan ones!
Great game, I really enjoyed watching them play! Monday nights game with Michigan and Louisville should be EPIC!
Jon could have ruined her (she did that all by herself) many times but he chose to take the high road.
Even if that 'high road' meant being aware the mother of his children abused them and did nothing to stop it?
Thanks to all who venture over to the twits bog and have noted how quiet things are. how most celebs use twitter is sparse tweets to promote their projects, or send words of encouragement, or say something about products or places they like.
Without the fighting or a need to defend Ms Kreider, some twidiots who enjoy the fighting will either fight with each other, or move on to another forum to fight with someone new. Political forums are always great for those anxious to insult someone elses ancestry, intelligence, ethnicity, residence, and personal habits. Oh noes! Somebody tell Chicken McGiblets quick!
Remona said...
Don't you think that IF they had that information KK would have it in the law offices of Laverne & Shirley? I do.
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IF it is true, they may have the information. It may be that it was a legal transaction. No one has said that Jon did anything illegal.
Whether the book makes a profit or not doesn't change the intention--IF there was a deal, my opinion is that the harm to the kids by thrashing this out in public outweighs the cause of bringing Kate to some kind of justice. I am consistent in my belief that what these kids need more than anything is privacy.
So far, Jon has not made any kind of public comment--this is simply speculation based on what I have read. I haven't said I believe it--I said that Bullyville has pretty much done what they have said they would do. So, I think it is possible that it is true. People have been speculating all day that Kate traded in her Audi, based on her wording. I also think that is possible.
So far, Jon is the parent that is protecting his kids's privacy. I was curious as to how people here that support him would feel if he actively participated in this book and was trying to profit from it. Kate is constantly trashed for that exact same thing. Thank you to reader lady for the respectful response to my original question--whether it would change their opinion of him. I respect your opinion, but disagree because of the privacy issue. I sincerely hope that he is not involved this mess--if he is, it will just be another violation of 8 children's privacy. And, I will consider it exploitation.
A far easier plan to make a buck is for Jon to simply sign on the dotted line of Celebrity Wife Swap and get his cut. Same with the cookbook. A far easier plan is to phone Kate up and tell her have at it he won't stop her as long as he gets his cut. When going down rabbit holes I have trouble following the bunny when there isn't much logical sense to it. Speculation is fun and what we do but it still has to make some kind of logical sense. A has to lead to Z. One has to lead to two. "A" can't lead to teddy bears and "one" can't lead to widgets or I end up scratching my head. Hence this really doesn't much add up to me.
I don't approve of how it happened but I'm glad her twitter feed is finally swiffered. Now the only nasty thing on it is Kate herself retweeting the F word.
I hope they keep it up, though I have my doubts. I really think the sheeple are going to get bored. The fact that they keep mentioning the new clean feed over and over and over to me just says that truthfully they miss it. Why are they so preoccupied with this idea? The worst thing you can do to Kate is show her she's not relevant. She shot herself in the foot this time.
Ramona--my feed has been all messed up tonite, too. I wasn't seeing any comments after 7:00 this evening, and then they suddenly appeared. So, I see that people have had other comments that I agree with--for example, that the problem is that in PA, apparently, the type of "discipline" (ie beating) that Kate used on her kids is acceptable and not considered abuse. Hoffman said he reported the incidents. No one knows the outcome of that because it is not public information. His book was out long enough that the information is out there--we had several threads on it. I think where I make a left turn from some here is that I fervently believe that these kids desperately need privacy much more than their mother needs a public flogging and to be taught a lesson. I don't think that the book should be re-released. JMO.
As far as Jon's passive-aggressive remark, it was during the period when he was in therapy. I believe that was the description that he heard from a professional, along with his failures in the communications department.
Don't you think that IF they had that information KK would have it in the law offices of Laverne & Shirley? I do.
Don't be too quick to judge yourself, either. Maybe it is in the hands of Kate's lawyers. Bu because it was removed from the trash and that in itself IS legal, they cannot sue anyone.
Hey Lets Throw Tomatoes, you outed me! lol Please don't triangluarlyishly my non existent cell phone and call my employer! I don't have one! haha
Just watching old rerun of Dr. Phil about a mom of 2 great sons aged 14 and 15. The mom is bipolar BAD. They showed film of her screaming belittling them. KATE KATE KATE. She has took so many meds she just quit taking them. Her last chance before the boys are taken away is getting help from Dr. Phil. She grabbed one of the boys and pushed him against a garage door and tried to choke him, she smacks her sons like it is nothing, she is very abusive.
KATE KATE KATE. The mom on the show told Dr. Phil she thought she was going to hurt them and kill them and when she is lucid, she will tell them bad things, I wish you were never born, ect.
You could tell that those boys have been through hades and back a couple of times. I was about to cry because look what all those Gosselin kids have been through and the witch still in 4th gear!
This show is from 2006. So they are 21 and over now. I just hope that everything worked out for the boys. There were only 2 boys there.
I can't imagine the pain of having 8 kids and them all in that bad of shape those 2 boys were in and having to face them and apologize and beg for forgiveness to them for hurting them, working them nearly to death, beating them, restricting their food and water intake, forcing the boys to work like men in the chicken coop, not letting them participate in more sports, especially the boys and the girls in soccer, forcing them to eat off prison plastic trays, sippy cups and forced to sit in the high chairs till they are 7 years old!
My stomach is in a knot just watching and posting about this.
Oh this Bullyville shite, she just keeps sinking further and further into her own BS. What's that saying about the company you keep? The only Ville I can see KG being legitimately associated with is Cruella De. Get well soon Barb in Nebraska (hugs). Glad you're out of the hospital LB!
An article about returning to real life after reality TV.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/the_jersey_shore_hangover_4fC7CGWmKC6ucnjGFT4UjK
"Unlike actors, however, once their shows have ended, these people rarely have another role to play. Kate Gosselin, Richard Hatch, Paris Hilton, Heidi and Spencer — all attained a rare level of fame, and all have virtually vaporized."
In my opinion, I think the TLC filming folks were trying to let the viewers know what was happening to the kids during the discipline episode. I don't remember the exact words, but I remember someone asking Kate during the interview section something like "And they just go to time-out? How do you get them to stay there?" And Kate responding something like, "They just do." I think whomever was asking that was asking because she had seen or heard the kids being whacked and wanted to see if Kate would admit it using the wooden spoon or if she would lie. I bet that's when they wanted a film crew w/o an opinion.
BTW, I too, feel guilty about watching and supporting the abuse of those poor kids.
Kate's twitter timeline is now just a few people tweeting baiting posts. They really miss arguing with the haters. I hope this keeps up.
Marie
lol There's an ad for car insurance at the top of the blog atm!
I think Kate is happy her 'book' came out before Jon's alleged book did...wonder if that's still in the works.
Sillimom....38: If Kate did the same, she'd have the privacy she claims to want. The thing is she doesn't want privacy. She wants no one to criticize her.
You're so right Sillimom...Kate wants the conversation to be ABOUT her, but she wants to control the conversation. Unfortunately for Kate, that's not how it works and I think that is what angers her the most.
Kate's twitter feed is dead on arrival.
Jax
"I think that a father who exposes his children's mother is damaging."
I think a mother who beats her children, exploits them for personal profit, and lies about her behavior to the general public is damaging. Beyond that, I don't understand the sentiment. What is being exposed exactly? The kids are living it. It's not like they don't know their own mother.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 18
Time DID tell when it came to Celebrity Wife Swap. There were a few people convinced that Jon must have been involved with that and not only that receiving kickbacks from it. Time DID tell with that, indeed he was not consulted, per Kate's own words. Indeed he had nothing to do with it, per Kate's own words. I'm not sure how many times he needs to be vindicated before people believe it.
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For a few people, it will not matter how often time tells that Jon isn't the horrible person they believe him to be. They will never, ever cut him a break. Their opinion of him is fixed, and they like to engage in speculation based on nothing, just so they have the opportunity to passive-aggressively accuse him of wrong doing.
It's a strange fixation of sorts.
As to saying it would be wrong for one parent to expose that the other parent is physically abusing their children - I too find that shocking. How in the world is it more important to maintain the privacy of the minor children (and thus enabling the abuse to continue) than in doing whatever you can to expose the awful truth and perhaps getting the children removed from the abusive situation.
When a person says something like that (i.e., it's wrong if Jon helped to make this abuse public) --- well, I guess I am at a loss for words.
If Kate was a private party, it might be legitimate for her to fuss about negative tweets/criticism.
But she's a celebrity, by personal choice. Criticism via negative tweets come with the territory.
And if one insists on abusing one's children on national tv, getting called out on it is fair game.
She could always choose to become a private party. Which she hasn't done so far.
As to saying it would be wrong for one parent to expose that the other parent is physically abusing their children - I too find that shocking
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In California it's illegal under civil law not to expose the other abusive parent. The statue has a "failure to protect" provision built right into it, clear as day. You're not allowed to just watch abuse happen and do nothing or you're implicated too.
If Kate was a private party, it might be legitimate for her to fuss about negative tweets/criticism.
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Yes I agree. In many ways complaints from sheeple or haters that they are harassed on twitter are a heck of a lot more legitimate than complaints from Kate. At least they are private people. They're tweeting a celeb but they're still just private people.
Just one more comment about Jon's NON-participation in CWS. His face was blurred out by the network.
Don't be too quick to judge yourself, either. Maybe it is in the hands of Kate's lawyers. Bu because it was removed from the trash and that in itself IS legal, they cannot sue anyone.
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They can't sue for theft, which is a criminal matter anyway. But they can still sue for libel if it's false. It doesn't matter how legal or illegal the information you obtained is, if it's false it's a an action for libel.
Wait a minute, if they did legitimately get it from Kate's trash, I guess that makes it true! Oops!
You know, the good thing about all the Bullyville crapola is that Kate is not getting the Twitter attention with sheeple vs. haters. Kate will never give up Twitter because she demands attention, but at least it will just be her and her sheeple. Eventually they'll get tired of kissing up to her. Let's hope the most ardent critics stay off Twitter and let her sink further into oblivion like Jon.
BTW, I easily found Bullyville's IP address from three different sources online. What was interesting that I cannot figure out how come the IP map address says it's in three different locations, Kansas, Washington state and CA. But it looked like the same IP is also being used for Cheaterville, etc. BTW, McGibney did interent security while in the service so now he uses that knowledge to be a hacker and litigator. I have also read that the real Anonymous types are not pleased with his focus on Kate. Gives them a bad name and she's not worth the endeavor. There are some new Tweeters on his timeline slamming him and they are not Kate haters.
If the "bully" tweets on Kate's twitter feed have stopped, my-o-my what will Kate and Milo have to tweet about. They both obviously having nothing going on in their lives.
Pau16...3 You made me laugh. No need to run and duck.
JoyinVirginia...16 Glad to hear Shaka's staying at VCU. He definitely deserved a long-term contract. Both games last night were great. The Louisville/Michigan game will be must see TV.
boo...23 Good luck to you and your Wolverines. I agree with JoyinViginia with regard to the uniforms. What's with the neon yellow?
. I have also read that the real Anonymous types are not pleased with his focus on Kate. Gives them a bad name and she's not worth the endeavor.
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REALLY. As in they don't like the hacker-outings? Can you provide a little more details. I think it's significant a big group like that doesn't like this.
Ex-nurse...thinking about your comment....I would not be happy if Jon was involved for the purpose of trying to make a profit.
So far, there doesn't seem to be any evidence of that...in that gosselinbook is donating profits to a charity. That's if the book ever comes back out. Starting to have doubts there.
I kind of wonder if Jon has done some things in the spirit of revenge. Not good. But understandable. And maybe not recently?
I do suspect that he was involved somehow with gosselinbook obtaining his info. Probably a mixture of trying to stop the abuse, and revenge. And gosselinbook seems to be truly, truly upset by the abuse...his motivation appears to be to make it stop.
He appears to be heartbroken about how Collin is/was treated. Much the same way Kendra was heartbroken.
Look how beat up Jon looked the last few episodes. Something happened to cause that, an epiphany someplace along the line. Maybe becoming more aware of the abuse, or obtaining proof that
Kate was over the marriage. In any case, something happened that caused him to give up. You could see that he had no fight left in him.
It's hard to know what to think. And we the public may never know the truth.
I don't bring here what is going on politically too much even though many of us follow it, but I wanted to mention this since so many of us are book lovers and lovers of education.
The young U.S. diplomat killed in Afghanistan Saturday was delivering books to a school. Rest in peace.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 72
I don't bring here what is going on politically too much even though many of us follow it, but I wanted to mention this since so many of us are book lovers and lovers of education.
The young U.S. diplomat killed in Afghanistan Saturday was delivering books to a school. Rest in peace.
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What a shame. Murdered enroute to making a difference. May that angel rest in peace.
The Taliban makes me sick. They are so threatened by the power of intelligent, educated women.
*ffig a*sholes.
Sheesh, at this rate, even Milo might get bored with tweeting Kate. Kate really isn't interesting or funny or anything that would draw someone to her feed. it really was all about the haters and the sheeple defenders. I'm sorry if anyone got hurt by the BV attacks but feel like it may work out for the best.
Marie
To clarify something, obtaining the info from the trash isn't the issue, at least not for BV who is the one making a big deal of it. He is implying he has found information on the discs that show info has been tampered with.
Read @occupyrebellion. He has some real issues with calling an "op" on a failed reality star. He seems to have quite a bit more sense than most of these hot heads we are seeing associated with this Bullyville nonsense.
I think when YourAnonNews came out with that supportive "We stand behind any ops called out by BullyVille" or whatever idiot tweet they had, it was just because McGiveny put it on their request line (go to their twitter page) and whoever put it out just went with the flow because McGiveny knew how to work the Anonymous system.
There are fringe elements to everything. Yesterday McGiveny and some other "anon" were high fiving each other and patting themselves on the back for: THEY TOOK DOWN A KID WHO WROTE A BAD POEM. They terrorized this kid. The poem was awful: Raped by a Sloth and I Liked It was the title so you can imagine but still. We can't even write creatively about something McGiveny has an issue with? The poem was on twitter but NOT addressed to anyone. It had about five lines and was stupid. And McGiveny told him to take his bio and shove it up his ass. That to me was way, way more offensive than this kids' stupid poem.
How would BV get access to the discs to have them analyzed?
Marie
Thinking about the Jon thing some more...if he sues because he was libeled, and wins...that isn't being in it for profit. That's just standing up for what's right.
And if Kate is 'exposed' in the process, well that's what happens when you engage in illegal behavior. Sucks to be her.
Well, sucks to be her in any case.
The person who DOES appear to be acting from revenge, and is out only for profit, is Al whateve. He doesn't appear to have anybody's best interests at heart other than his own.
You don't hear from him the extreme sadness that you hear from gosselinbook. Gosselinbook seemed to be pretty broken up about the abuse of the kids, and the dog abuse.
He is implying he has found information on the discs that show info has been tampered with.
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He has the discs in his possession?
"Eventually they'll get tired of kissing up to her. Let's hope the most ardent critics stay off Twitter and let her sink further into oblivion like Jon."
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At least two of them are still plugging away and it appears they aren't going anywhere.
Kate will never, ever understand the humiliation she's caused her children (in addition to all the abuse, of course!)
rosiebieber56
@Kateplusmy8 I was watch jon and Kate plus 8 today Leah : Hannah pooped in Hannah's underwear's #socute
kateplusmy8
@rosiebieber56 that is STILL the most quoted line of our entire show! I love it and I wish she was little still. All moms long to go back!
The people who are tweeting Kate now...there's something off about that.
They're first time tweeters to Kate, using old tweets, or stupid tweets:
Hutcher_loverrr @Kateplusmy8 I miss your show so much! ? Has everyone changed?
Well,duh. What do you think, Sherlock.
But they seem to have been tweeting each other for quite a while back. Wonder what the deal is.
I think where I make a left turn from some here is that I fervently believe that these kids desperately need privacy much more than their mother needs a public flogging and to be taught a lesson.
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But if there was abuse and it was continuing, then putting it out there and making it public awareness just might have stopped the abuse or at least made her pull back on the reins. It isn't so much as giving her a public flogging as it is putting an end to what might have been on-going since the kids were toddlers.
This is what Kate RTs. it's crystal clear she's out to get Jon and Robert.
kateplusmy8
RT @msgoody2shoes21: RT @exodusanonymous: Jon Gosselin & Author Linked In Scheme To Spread Lies About Kate Gosselin: http://t.co/fVfj8O8AQd(preview) @kateplusmy8
1 min ago from Twitterrific
Jane
Wouldn't McGibney actually need the physical discs to run some coding program to see if they were tampered with? If Jon is such an accomplished hacker as Kate will claim, wouldn't he know there are ways to detect tampering so why attempt it and get caught? Really, this is grasping at straws and more of Bullyville getting publicity.
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For over three years I told anyone who would listen including Rep.Murt, politicians and several blogs, including this one, that what Kate was doing was NOT considered child abuse in Pennsylvania.I urged them to read the PA child abuse laws and do whatever they could to change them.
I don't know whether anyone did anything but nothing changed, and I began to get the feeling that my ranting on the subject was just being tolerated. People seemed more concerned with whether the chidren were getting treated well by TLC, and this led to a new law about child performers, but the child abuse laws are only now being looked into, 3 or more years later.
Living in Canada and being unable to do more, I gave up.It felt like people thought I was just a crazy old lady with a crusade.
Maybe I was; I'm certainly old, an anti-abuse crusader, but not crazy.I'm glad the PA legislature is finally looking at making PA safer for children.
It's sad, really, to see how K8 continually is retweeting the negative comments directly about Jon. It amazes me that she doesn't get what a difference this is going to make in her relationships with some of her kids one day - and not in a good way.
I think what angers people about Jon is that she was abusing the kids when they were little and was telling him about it and he didn't do anything.
Here are some thoughts on the situation:
1) Kate's journals - I think people assume that these are journals like you and I might keep. Here's the thing - Kate doesn't strike me as the intellectual, self reflecting type which is what I equate journal writing with. While I do,believe she abused her kids, I also have dealt with a narcissist and I know that they tend towards the over dramatic and embellish things all the time so much so that I take anything our narcissist says with a grain of salt until I can confirm it with a trusted source. These journals probably were written when she started working on the book. She had a motive, a reason for trying to make herself look like this overwhelmed, put upon stressed out mom who was abused as a child and turns to God in her journals to help her in her struggle to,overcome her horrible behavior. She wrote that she would call Jon. Do we know that's true? Or was that an embellishment? Kate doesn't seem apologetic about her views on discipline. She has been asked about it on her show before and she's shown on her shows that she is strict and a drill sergeant and seems to take pride in that fact. Why all the angst as a young mom in her journals? I just don't buy it. I don't think Kate had one bit of guilt spanking her kids or throwing them in their cribs. I think the fretting in her journals was all for show because she thought it would be great material for Multiple Blessings.
2) How often was was Kate really alone with the kids? I remember all the post it notes everywhere in the houses (both their original and the Etown house) and was under the impression from the earliest blog days of this saga of insiders saying there were helpers there constantly. Again, I'm not saying she didn't abuse her kids. But if the abuse documented in her journals happened why didn't any of these helpers step up and try to put a stop to it? As Admin said, we don't know what people tried to do to intervene.
3) Jon was very protective of Kate. You can see that in the responses he made on blogs during the first specials and also when Dana Hoffman's columns were running and Jodi's sister was blogging. Jon loved his wife. He was overwhelmed with working all day and taking care of 8 little kids at night. I don't think he, at the time, saw anything wrong with spanking either. People were attacking his family which only validated what Kate was telling him about how victimized she was. And again, having dealt with a narcissist, it would take Jon some time to start realizing that Kate's reality didn't always jibe with the truth.
It's easy to condemn Jon and the other people in her life for not calling CPS and having her thrown into jail but my experience in my 40+ years tells me life is never that black and white. When you're in those situations you do the best you can.
Ex-Nurse, would my opinion of Jon change if I found he gave the material to Robert? No. Would it change if I found he did so with the intention of making a profit? Not sure because I already disapprove of him selling any stories about his family to the tabloids and he was doing that last year, just like Kate. I equate that behavior with the Lohans, whom he has had connections with in the past, and I think Michael and Dina are truly the scum of the earth when it comes to parenting.
I never had any problem with Werny's, Al's or Robert's books in that it will provide the kids with a perspective about this time when they are adults and trying to process things. Whatever extent Jon has had a hand in those books, whatever his motive it will still be helpful for his kids. And that I am fine with.
Was I temporarily blinded on that day when Kate took the high road?
birdisthewyrd
@Kateplusmy8 Just my opinion but by RT all the anti-Jon stuff you're just feeding into it all still. Ignore it all. Take the high road.
kateplusmy8
@birdisthewyrd I am. &always have. Hard for u to c that now maybe,but thanks for offering your opinion respectfully at least😀 apprec it!
It shouldn't be hard to see someone taking the high road. Either they're trashing the other parent or they're not. She is.
It's another case of gas lighting or whatever term you want to use. Trying to convince us what we all see is not true. It's pathological!
I heard this saying while watching my one of my favorite shows. (A cop said it)
" A abuser is nothing but a bully that picks on the weak and it won't be stop unless someone takes a stand"
And I thought he was so right Robert is taking a stand against Kate.
He is implying he has found information on the discs that show info has been tampered with.
How could he have examined the discs? I thought Robert had them in his possession and has taken a lie detector test about them.
Jane said... 79
Was I temporarily blinded on that day when Kate took the high road?
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I guess we both were cause I've never seen KK take the high road.
Unless she was driving the bus that she threw Jon under to the high road.
(maybe that's what she meant.)
Isn't it interesting how Kate's few remaining fans are encouraging each other to buy multiple copies of her cookbook. They can look at novelrank and see how low the order numbers are. They are buying extra copies to give to homeless shelters, to give out in an "act of kindness" contest, to "pay it forward", to give out as gifts. And still, only 28 copies have been sold on Amazon. Even if there are similar numbers ordered on Kate's website and on Barnes and Noble, that's still far below 100 copies sold, total. Ouch! They can see what a huge humiliation this is going to be for Kate, and they are buying as many copies as they can afford to inflate the numbers. Unless they plan on buying thousands of copies each, they aren't going to be able to make much of a difference I've seen church ladies sell more copies of their compiled recipes than Kate can sell to the international public. And it's almost 2 weeks since this stink bomb was made available. Wait til the media gets ahold of that story!
Admin if you want more info on Anon and the whole BV Gosselin saga go to pastebin and look for it to read the whole article.
A Little Clarity Regarding Kate Gosselin, Bullyville, and Anonymous ...
5 days ago ... In fact, the support of "Anons" in general on the Bullyville campaign is minimal compared to an average, actual Anonymous "Op". Bullyville has ...
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I have to make one observation before I head off to church. While Robert may certainly be broken up by what the kids and dogs have gone through, please bear something in mind. Robert's wife, Dana, worked for the Reading Eagle and wrote a series of columns that criticized Kate and Jon. Kate complained to Dana's editor and Dana was told to stop.
Now, I give Robert points for openly disclosing this however I think it is fair to say that I am sure a certain percentage of his animosity towards Kate stems from her treatment of his wife. I don't think it's the entire reason he chose to write about Kate but I think it was a motivator.
Silimom.....well put...on all points.
Kate also did keep a journal during her pregnancy with the tups. She was vary martyr -like in it,but complained all the same.Some of it is in the back of Multiple Blessings. Her cursive and expression are very immature,almost like a young tween.She seemed to be on good terms with her sister and mom then?
OMG, now Kate says she always took the high road with regards to comments about Jon... WTF, when the hell was that, cause I surely missed it!?!
Not one time, did she ever tell, anyone, on her timeline to not tweet vile comments, threats and outright lies, that she was copied in on and clearly saw, to Jon while he was on Twitter.
Not one time did she ever dispute tweets, on her timeline, that Jon was a deadbeat, unemployed, useless man, who did not and does not support his children, does not see them and has no part in their lives.
Not one time did Kate defend Jon and state that THEIR children love their father and she would not condone hateful, untruthful comments towards him.
Kate did state, on national TV no less, that the children do not like being with Jon and she waited by the phone for the call to pick them up.
Kate did tweet, re-tweet & again, never disputed comments about; Jon being a deadbeat dad, wishing he would spend more time with their children and 'giving' him their first BBB, since he couldn't afford to buy one and she could/did and that's just what I remember off the top of my head.
Kate did state that Jon should have no say in their life, she is their sole support, has absolved Jon of paying child support, and has kept up the pretense that the kids are very rarely with Jon, even with evidence to the contrary.
Well I'm that Robert is standing up to Kate. I hope that he gets the truth out.
I hope that it's not to late to help the eight children.
Kate is an abuser and a bull who needs to be stopped.
OMG, now Kate says she always took the high road with regards to comments about Jon... WTF, when the hell was that, cause I surely missed it!?!
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This is frightening. Does she really not remember these times or is she just tweeting what her sheeple want to hear? Or is she in such denial that she really believes that she's never done this? What a fantasy world she must live in -- it's got to be a scary place, but for her it's the only place she's ever known so she must be quite content to live in it.
Jane said... 78
Was I temporarily blinded on that day when Kate took the high road?
birdisthewyrd
@Kateplusmy8 Just my opinion but by RT all the anti-Jon stuff you're just feeding into it all still. Ignore it all. Take the high road.
kateplusmy8
@birdisthewyrd I am. &always have. Hard for u to c that now maybe,but thanks for offering your opinion respectfully at least😀 apprec it!
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Thanks Jane.
Bottom line - The kids have been exposed to constant filming,scheduled by their parents, and at some point by Kate solely. They never had a say-so.
TLC, starting Palin episode, chose to no longer highly edit out her "ugly" and self-serving behavior. (Of course there was plenty of shows before that but some of her most offensive behaviors were shown after).
After that, we got a full dose of how she treats other people. Not so nice, actually ugly. Never mind DWTS (Tony), Jamie and Ashley, family, former friends, her own children, hired help, etc. Kate was used to TLC protecting her image.
Obviousy, she no longer has her own show, and faught tooth and and nail with Jon to keep filming, but when is enough ever enough to preserve these kids' privacy and to live life out of the spotlight, so THEY (8 Count 'Em 8) get to live a normal life without twitter, shows, blogs, etc for all to see.
The 8 kids did not sign up for this show or any of its aftermath, so in my opinion, THE 8 KIDS HAVE MORE THAN EARNED THEIR RIGHT TO PRIVACY by now. Twitter, blogs, etc.. about the kids, stop mentioning them specifically and posting pictures of them!
Where does it end? Kids have no say in the contracts Kate has entered them into (CWS)but she still uses them for her own convenience.
Stand on your own 2 feet Kate, and show us what YOU have to offer without using your 8 kids. They have more than earned their right to privacy. Sorry, but I think the "victims" are the kids, who have never had any say so in the consequences/ backlash to THEM of filming and being mentioned publicly non-stop by by virture of their own mother.
Clearly, after 8+ years,Kate should be able to market herself without constant use of the kids. I am seriously wondering how many photos of the kids are in the book in order to sell it?
She has a right (as long as Jon as coparent agreed to same) but after all of these years, she should be able to sell a cookbook with child images, IMO. Maybe one or two, but not an entire cookbook.
There are fringe elements to everything. Yesterday McGiveny and some other "anon" were high fiving each other and patting themselves on the back for: THEY TOOK DOWN A KID WHO WROTE A BAD POEM.
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There's some serious free speech issues here. Free speech is sometimes vulgar and obscene and often you don't like it. But that's the whole point of free speech to be able to say things others don't like without fear. Hustler v Fawell really is worth reading if you get a chance, it explains so well why jokes, vulgarity and offensive speech is protected. I fundamentally disagree with this group's stance. Leave free speech alone. You can block people on social media very simply if they are bothering you. If it crosses the line and becomes a safety issue we have a perfectly good legal system as well as law enforcement to intervene. They have no understanding of the ACLU at all.
@XXXXXXXX too cute!!!!! :) would love to make a line of dolls--so many kids use six of their random babies:)
52 mins ago - Twitterrific
XXXXXXXX @Kateplusmy8 Baby Collin went to the park yesterday with Kaylee. He loved the slide best.ha ha lol
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I guess since one child named her doll after one of Kate's kids now the world wants a line of Gosselin Dolls. Ummmm Kate, the time to strike on that was when the kids were toddlers and your show was a hit. Not a slam against the kids, but who'd want dolls of them as they are now? If Kate were to try and market a line of dolls with the kids as toddlers it would just prove (even more) that she's just pimping out her kids for money.
This was already done in the 80s. They were called quints and they were a real choking hazard!
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This is frightening. Does she really not remember these times or is she just tweeting what her sheeple want to hear? Or is she in such denial that she really believes that she's never done this? What a fantasy world she must live in -- it's got to be a scary place, but for her it's the only place she's ever known so she must be quite content to live in it.
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I think what's happening is that she is trying to rewrite and put a rainbow happy happy spin on things, not just because of Bullyville and Robert, but because she has many new viewers of the show - young kids seeing it on cable or Netflix for the first time, people in Europe, South Africa, worldwide who are just seeing the early shows - and we know they've been heavily edited. It's like she has a new audience and, with Twitter, can put herself out there as a loving, frenetic, hardworking single mom, doing what's best for the kids.
This isn't going to get her a new show, though. All that will happen is more grifting, a few odd jobs here and there and, when Robert's book comes out, lots of tears and denials and threats.
Speaking of Robert, someone upthread (Mel maybe?) mentioned her concern about the book's publication and I want to echo that concern. I wonder if Admin has any info she might be able to share?
The people who are tweeting Kate now...there's something off about that.
They're first time tweeters to Kate, using old tweets, or stupid tweets:
Hutcher_loverrr @Kateplusmy8 I miss your show so much! ? Has everyone changed?
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Changed? What would make this person think everyone has changed? Kids always stay the same age as they were two years ago!
It's doubtful that these "fans" suddenly showed up because word is out that her Twitter place is now safe from them being harassed. These people are clearly not die-hard fans who wanted to tweet before but were afraid of being attacked by the haters. If they were such fans who love her and are inspired by her, then they certainly would know how old the kids are, that she's publishing a cookbook, or that she was on CWS. One comment from a true and loyal fan who claims to have watched every show and has always been inspired by her tweeted, "OMG! Kate has Twitter." Well, duh, where has this fan been the past few years?
Something is "off" about this whole thing. Twitterbots?
Fahrenheit 451....
There are fringe elements to everything. Yesterday McGiveny and some other "anon" were high fiving each other and patting themselves on the back for: THEY TOOK DOWN A KID WHO WROTE A BAD POEM.
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That is frightening because it is vigilante justice. Why is life always a metaphor for high school? Maybe it's the other way around--maybe school is a metaphor for life. We have seen name-calling, threats--what's next? Throwing Slushees in Jon's face? (Glee reference)
Sue Buddy--
I haven't seen the word 'tampering' yet, but, I think you are right--in addition to the profit motive, he has repeatedly said that there were lies. Which is pretty much what is in all of the story headlines.
Silimom--you make in interesting point about Kate embellishing. Maybe this journal was for Beth, and the purpose was to show how overwhelmed she is. Kate has such a distorted view of reality, she probably wouldn't realize how horrifying her descriptions were.
Maybe the "lies, all lies!" we're HER lies. Only Kate would try to sue someone for publishing HER lies as the truth. Especially if it discredits all of her New York best sellers--shades of James Frye. Where is Oprah when we need her? Please, please please let this be true. Hoisting herself on her own petard again! IF Jon is behind this, he is a genius.
MJ said... 91
How could he have examined the discs? I thought Robert had them in his possession and has taken a lie detector test about them.
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MJ, I reread his potential threat and I think I misunderstood. He's saying he's found evidence of RH's lies by examining phone records, emails, etc:
"When you're “authoring” a hate book filled with lies and releasing copyrighted material (that you don't own) and you have no money, you need 4 things. Stolen property for content, a hate blog for the PR machine, a lawyer (since your entire business model is built on the foundation of multiple state and federal crimes) and an unscrupulous author. In theory, the book flies off the shelves because it's so salacious (i.e. bullshit and lies, which conveniently ties back into the hate blog) and the “masterminds” all share in the profit. If anyone tries to come to the defense of the victim, the hate filled PR machine springs into action and bullies them into submission. Now if that’s not an @aclu worthy story I don’t know what is. Hell, come to think of it, how all of this was unraveled is a much more interesting read, don’t you think? This is all hypothetical and conjecture of course, unless a digital footprint was discovered such as phone records, text messages, videos and email exchanges. #ticktock #ticktock"
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Even if that 'high road' meant being aware the mother of his children abused them and did nothing to stop it?
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I am growing weary of this accusation. Please prove to us that Jon did nothing.
What was he supposed to do if the courts do not believe what happened to those children was real abuse? It was reported. Nothing was done.
Was Jon supposed to kidnap the children, dye the children's hair blonde, bleach their skin until they looked like little Swedish children
and move to South Africa? That would have been all he could have done to put an end to it all.
REPORTING IT DOES NOT WORK IN PENNSYLVANIA. It would work in MY state, maybe in YOUR state, but it does NOT work in PA unless the child is
next to dead from the abuse. Thankfully, the path to changing that has been opened up.
Please do tell us all what Jon should have done.
I, for one, would love to hear it.
Ex Nurse said:
Sue Buddy--
I haven't seen the word 'tampering' yet, but, I think you are right--in addition to the profit motive, he has repeatedly said that there were lies. Which is pretty much what is in all of the story headlines.
That is correct. What has me confused, I must admit, is this; is he both suing a "hateful, threatening, stalking" non fan AND suing RH or merely threatening to expose RH's lies and the lawsuit is a whole different matter? It seems to me he is pursuing two different avenues.
Who ever said Kate should get off twitter, I say, amen! Use the time spent with that mess leading a Girl Scout/Brownie/Cub Scout group. Help your 8 children socially. Stop the drive for stardom. Never going to happen. They had their moment in the spotlight and it is over. I also agree that in Kate's world, if you criticize, you become what she calls a "hater." Not really the same. The delusion continues. Sad for the kids.
Sherry Baby said... 101
OMG, now Kate says she always took the high road with regards to comments about Jon... WTF, when the hell was that, cause I surely missed it!?!
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This is frightening. Does she really not remember these times or is she just tweeting what her sheeple want to hear? Or is she in such denial that she really believes that she's never done this? What a fantasy world she must live in -- it's got to be a scary place, but for her it's the only place she's ever known so she must be quite content to live in it.
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Kate's a joke. Come on- even her sheeple have witnessed her negative/ passive aggressive comments about her ex-husband.
She's playing a very cruel game, that is backfiring viciously.
Looks like the sheeple are baiting the haters on Twitter to jump in and continue the Twitter wars, and the haters are falling for it. They just can't keep out of it. I don't understand why these non-fans can't get it through their heads that they are falling into this trap -- they are giving the fans exactly what they want by keeping Kate's Twitter alive.
It's not about Kate, or the kids -- it's about their addiction to do battle, they like the fight, and they're using Kate's Twitter to indulge themselves.
@rosiebieber56 that is STILL the most quoted line of our entire show! I love it and I wish she was little still. All moms long to go back!
So so wrong on so many levels. The stupid twit has no idea how this crap wlll cause so much pain for her children down the road, and if she does, she does not care because in her warped head it is all about the brief period in HER life when she was a STAH.
And no, most moms do not LONG to go back. We have our memories and live in the moment, but then we have mature relationships with out grown children, and also with friends and family. Your life is only complete on DVD. Grow the eff up.
You know, ya have to laugh.
Kate's sheeple recognise that the cookbook pre-sales are not selling very well, so what do they do? Several sheep are buying a bunch each and giving them away (under the guise of paying it forward).
I'm telling you- Kate is going to suck them dry, emotionally, and monetarily.
I've seen Kate's camping episodes.
Get her kids into scouting, yes. Kate at the helm? No way. I say this as a Girl Scout leader and as a Cub Scout/Boy Scout mom.
REPORTING IT DOES NOT WORK IN PENNSYLVANIA. It would work in MY state, maybe in YOUR state, but it does NOT work in PA unless the child is
next to dead from the abuse
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I know that you're exaggerating here to make a point, and child abuse laws in PA are lousy, but that's not entirely true. I've worked with social services agency in the past, and without stating details of cases of abuse and how they were handled, I know of a situation where an allegation was made by an ex-wife against her husband who was seeking revenge on her former husband and reported him for abuse. The same day the report was made, protective services was there and took the child out of the home. There was no fooling around. After a compete investigation (and confession from the wife that she made the whole thing up) the child was temporarily released to his grandparents,
Jane said... 84
''This is what Kate RTs. it's crystal clear she's out to get Jon and Robert.
kateplusmy8
RT @msgoody2shoes21: RT @exodusanonymous: Jon Gosselin & Author Linked In Scheme To Spread Lies About Kate Gosselin: http://t.co/fVfj8O8AQd(preview) @kateplusmy8
1 min ago from Twitterrific''
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Oh KK....better watch out! She seems to be getting careless w/the RTs! If she's not careful, she may say or retweet something that Robert believes KK is calling him a liar!!
Gosselin8ComeFirst said... 102
Kate's can't do anything on her own no one wants her they want the 8 kids.
She knows this and this is why she all ways includes them in what she doing.
Rather it a book a TV show her twitter or website.
She's nothing w/o her 8 children.
I think that if the discs had been tampered with Laverne & Shirley and/or TLCs team of legal eagles would have found that. I think the "lies" BV is referring to may be the fact that Jon may have taken a look at everything Robert had and said, "yup, those are her journals and everything is factual". Robert wouldn't be lying if he said Jon didn't give them to him. I don't think Robert ever said that Jon didn't authenticate the evidence.
It must be sad that KK going to have to ride her 8 kids coat tails so she can stay famous.
Ok, this may be waaay out there, but in my opinion....Someone in the biz told Kate, in order to let her down gently, "You really need to live in LA if you want another show," knowing that it just isn't possible. Since she came back from CWS, there's been stories about her wanting Jon in jail, wanting to move to LA, and now blaming Jon for this tell-all. I think her main goal is to force Jon to relinquish custody, so she can take the kids and move to LA.
I wonder if KK will still "love it" in about 7 years when her daughter comes home from high school in tears every day because "------ pooped in ------'s unnerwears" follows her down the halls. Something like that may be cute or funny or endearing within the confines of the family (although I doubt it), but it certainly isn't when it's broadcast far and wide and kept available on DVDs and streaming services.
I know that you're exaggerating here to make a point, and child abuse laws in PA are lousy, but that's not entirely true.
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Just Down the Road, thank you for that info. I'm glad to hear it's not always a lost cause to report abuse. I have heard on this board and from a couple of sorority sisters who are from PA that it's next to impossible to get things done in that area. I am really glad you can shine a brighter light on it for me. Thanks.
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@rosiebieber56 that is STILL the most quoted line of our entire show! I love it and I wish she was little still. All moms long to go back!
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I think what Kate really means is to go back to having her kids little and marketable, go back to being a star on a hit reality show, go back to having every whim, desire, demand answered and all her costs & expenditures compensated. She longs to go back to the best time of HER life. The tups just happened to be little at that time and, IMPO, that is why she said that.
I think a comment I made got eaten.
As far as the discs being tampered, I believe you have you have the discs in your possession to run some program on them to reveal any tampering. I doubt McGibney has Robert's discs.
I have heard different stories that there was a computer in the trash and the info came from the hard drive. Again you would need the hard drive to detect any tampering.
Perhaps Kate gave McGibney a copy of her journal claiming it's the original because I am sure it was Jon's "ordered" job to back up the computer, so maybe she is claiming she has the original. I would hope McGibney does not just take her word on that. I absolutely do not believe Jon and Robert would conspire to tamper with the hard drive and/or discs.
I don't believe Jon deliberately made a copy of her hard drive to use in the divorce because he got screwed.
readerlady...118 said
I wonder if KK will still "love it" in about 7 years when her daughter comes home from high school in tears every day because "------ pooped in ------'s unnerwears" follows her down the halls.
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Followed by the upset son whom everyone now calls "Sloppy Joel."
A question about Bullyville- is Kate their first case, so to speak? Have they taken up a war in defense of any others on Twitter? I am curious if it only Kate. I have seen other Twitter wars (ok, read about them, not literally seen them) and Kate is by far not the only person to be treated like this. Did she reach out to them first?
I am sad Miley is off Twitter. I follow her on FB. She is an extraordinary, inspiring young lady.
Kate is rewriting history. ( I still call that gaslighting, trying to make us believe we didnt see or hear what we actually did see or hear with our own eyes and ears...even when kate says it is all editing... and also the realist reality show. But lets not quibber over the terminoligy )
I find it VERY INTERESTING that the comment from the tweeter suggesting Kate take the high road, was retweeted by kate. This comment typically would have been a "BLOCK" comment.
So kate, are you now trying to tell us that you CAN handle CRITISISM as long as its done repectfully? This is what I want to sit back watch and see.....
Silimom said... 15
For anyone who has a problem with people not taking personal responsibility, check this out:
http://dietrolldie.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/hurtfeelingsform.pdf
April 6, 2013 at 7:53 PM
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OMG hilarious!! I just saved to my laptop and I will be bringing copies to work, to hand out to my juniors when they act up, LOL!!
On another blog, it was mentioned that if Jon had brought in BullyVille to clean up his feed the sheeple would be screaming for his blood. So true!
Also the kids were easier to control by extended naps and the Spanker back then...
MsGoody2Shoes21 @msgoody2shoes21 6m
@BullyVille Can't wait for BV 2stomp Jon's lying, vengeful, passive aggressive & lowdown a** 4hating ex-wife 4yrs AFTER divorce
@BullyVille If you review Jon Gosselin's vengeful history regarding @Kateplusmy8 start your research beginning Sept '09 to the present
This is yet another chance for Kate to tell the fans that Jon is the kids' father and she would appreciate it if he were kept out of this.
Goody needs her meds adjusted.
Why does the talk about Jon and Robert "profiting" from the book continue? Robert has said (as was posted on his website before it was changed), that ALL proceeds from the book would be donated to CASA (National Court Appointed Special Advocacy Association for abused and neglected children). Are they going to be dragged into this next?
Readerlady: I am on board with your thought.
But perhaps Kate knows that cutesy stuff is what sold her show, and what keeps it living, but also knows that her kids are not thrilled with it, and perhaps wont be thrilled with it as they grow up.
So....perhaps Kate is lining her self up with Bullyville, who self disclosed he is an **shole, who will go after any private citizen who makes fun of her kids or Kate..
I am very aware he has not included any celebrities who critisized Kate. perhaps he know THEY can afford high powered lawyers who would take him for a run for HIS money!!)
Kate is a narcissist, who has lined herself up with someone who also appears to have narcissist type characteristics. They truly believe they can bully the world into submission.
IMHO, it looks Like kate feels she should be able to say whatever SHE wants to say, and no one ever comment , or critisize her view or actions.
We can not call it genocide, as she is not out to kill anyone, but she is definetely trying to "take down" a particular group of people who have opposing ideals to kate.
Movie recommendation, and I think it is worth a separate discussion thread: The People Versus Larry Flynt.. It stars Woody Harrelson as Larry Flynt,, Edward Norton as his long time attorney, and Courtney Love as his wife. The acting is impeccable, the story is very applicable to recent discussions, and it has lots of humor too.
plus I just love Woody Harrelson.
I'd pay good money to see this! Actually, I'd make a donation to any charity RH names.
msgoody2shoes21
@Kateplusmy8 If Jon is found innocent of not having anything to do with Robbie Trashman's book I will publicly apoligize to him @BullyVille
readerleg (sic!!! just teasing!!) said...I wonder if KK will still "love it" in about 7 years when her daughter comes home from high school in tears every day because "------ pooped in ------'s unnerwears" follows her down the halls.
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I would hope that by the time these kids are in Upper School that her classmates would have long forgotten about that. They will have their mind on academics, social events, who is dating whom, ski trips, sports and parties to be concerned about Hannah and her unnerwears. It seems to be such a non-issue right now because it's old, and I think most people would just rather forget it, and let the kids concentrate on their own lives. The Gosselin story has been beaten to death in the school community and when something gets old, you just move on. Kate may think she's relevant and her lunches are the envy of every school student, but it's something she cooked up in her own mind.
Geez they sounds do much like projection I almost laughed. Why don't they just start an ex wives club already and talk about the real reasons they hate men? Sad.
Jane...Did kate retweet msgoody2shoes21 comment? If she is taking the high road , as she says she supposedly is... then she should be the first to retweet this comment!!
I think the fans may have to do a whole lot of apologizing in the future.
BTW, my opinion, even if Jon did have anything to do with Robert getting the information, if it was done legally, then I support it. I will not basj Jon about his role, until I know what he did and did not do to protect his kids. For all we know, that was part of the reason why he became a stay at home dad so he could alleviate kate's stress, and stop her from taking it out on the kids.
From what I understand, most of the abusiveness towards the kids, was when Jon was still working outside of the home.
If nothing else, maybe Robert's threat of publishing her private journals, will put Kate, in a position where she is beginning to think before she acts.
Something to keep in mind Missy Francis was stopped in public her entire childhood due to reruns of a few episodes when she was EIGHT. She was mortified and annoyed by it.
I've been away visiting family, but I've checked in here and other places just trying to play catch up with the Gosselin saga.
IMO, this whole BV thing is Kate depending on someone else to fight her battles and she naively believes that she will win--against Robert, and Jon.
She is showing what a vindictive bitch she is. BV is not only going after Robert, but they are going after Jon--the children's father!! She could easily stop it all, but no, she is encouraging it.
Perhaps, Kate believes that Jon collaborated with Robert on the book--but twitter is not the place to deal with it. She is making it very public that she has no qualms about taking Jon down in her vendetta against Robert. She is using BV to do her battles--while in the meantime, she acts like she is oh, so innocent, in all of this.
I am glad that Robert is not backing down. I am also glad that Jon is staying private and quiet about all this. Kate is slowly approaching her meltdown, and I firmly believe she will reach the point of no return, where she has let people cross the line for her and she will not be able to stop them. The questions is, just how far will she let this all go?
She seems so smug with the belief that many people have her back--but the important question is, do her children have her back? Kate can have all the support from her tweeties, fans, and whomever--but does she even stop for one moment to think that it's her children's opinions of her that matter most of all?
Will Milo's support help, when C&M turn against her? When some of the tups find out about Mommy's twitter wars, will having people like Goody in her corner help?
Kate seems to think more of what her "tweeties" think about her, than she does about the opinions or welfare of her children. I feel sorry for the children and worry about them, because their mother is more concerned with protecting herself, than she is with protecting her children. Most mothers would think of their children and ask themselves "How is what I'm doing going to effect my children in the long run?"
To me, all Kate has done recently on twitter and in supporting BV, just shows that she doesn't think about what consequences it may impact on her children. As always, Kate comes first-and her children are an after-thought.
In the end, it's kind of scary to actually realize that more people care about the Gosselin children than their own mother and her fans do.
Sorry for the long post--but it just riles me how Kate can "act" like the "perfect mother" when she actually seems like she couldn't care less about how her actions may impact her children and her children's father.
Sandie @SandieBellz 21s
@Kateplusmy8 So, is this work something you can share with us???@siggyelizabeth
Oh, geez...here we go again. Kate's teasing about work, getting the fans all excited...is it a new show? A network special? A new book? I was wondering how long it was going to take after her daily tweets about "work" for the sheeple to ask about it.
It took them long enough to take the bait...
While I could care less about Ms Goody, it does make one wonder where her vindictive rhetoric regarding Jon Gosselin comes from. Hates men, bad divorce in her life? Because there is nothing, nothing at all, to back up even a small % of her venom. Even K8, the lying bitch, is not as nasty about the man. She really adds nothing to any meaningful dialogue with her crass anger.
Meagler said... 122
''IMHO, it looks Like kate feels she should be able to say whatever SHE wants to say, and no one ever comment , or critisize her view or actions.
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I agree. KK fits what I've said for years about what some people believe is ''free speech''.......They believe freedom of speech means I get to say what I want, and you get to shut up!!
MsGoody2Shoes21 @msgoody2shoes21 6m
@BullyVille Can't wait for BV 2stomp Jon's lying, vengeful, passive aggressive & lowdown a** 4hating ex-wife 4yrs AFTER divorce
@BullyVille If you review Jon Gosselin's vengeful history regarding @Kateplusmy8 start your research beginning Sept '09 to the present
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Seems like Goody is confusing Jon with Kate.
Everything is her tweet that she said Jon did Kate actually has done.
She needs to get a grip and pull her head from KK butt.
msgoody2shoes21
@Kateplusmy8 If Jon is found innocent of not having anything to do with Robbie Trashman's book I will publicly apoligize to him @BullyVille
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Yeah right.
IF Jon is proven innocent she'll just find something else to gripe about.
Silimom (115) you are so right. Kate doesn't have the qualities for a kind Scout leader. I used the example to emphasize the fact that she is not enrolling the "littles" in any of those good organizations. My granddaughter is the age of the 8 yr. olds and loves the Scout groups she has been involved with. Like I said, the quest for stardom will never stop. The 8 might have whatever their mother thinks she needs to buy for them and herself, but that is not enough in my book.
Jot in Virginia--
Great idea to watch that movie! Perfect topic.
I keep losing my posts before publishing and I just want to say that several posters worded their posts as if the abuse is still taking place and that's why the book needs to be released again. Does anyone think that there is still physical abuse going on now? If not, then why is it so important to repeat what is already out there? And why is it worth violating the kids' privacy again?
It is a fact that this will cast Jon's behavior around the divorce in an even more negative light. He stands to lose, too. Why would he be behind this at all and why do people that support him want this? I am not being critical of this--I am trying to make sense of it. I just don't think that revenge or for the good of his children is a satisfactory reason. How many times have people said that it is wrong to trash a parent of your children because it hurts them.
While I could care less about Ms Goody, it does make one wonder where her vindictive rhetoric regarding Jon Gosselin comes from. Hates men, bad divorce in her life?
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I really don't believe that she's "all there." Clearly, there is something very wrong and I wish Kate would tell her to back off on this. However, Kate kisses up to her, tells her how much she misses her when she doesn't tweet, and continues to engage her. Goody's hatred of Jon and his girlfriends has been ongoing since the divorce, and the vile tweets she has sent to him and regarding him really should put her on the top of any security watch list.
MsGoody2Shoes21 @msgoody2shoes21 1h
@Allisstair @BullyVille @Kateplusmy8 more bullchit surfaces. When will Jon focus on his life & stop focusing on destroying Kate's life?
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...and when will SHE focus on HER life and stop this abusive hate campaign toward Jon? Pot meet kettle.
How come BV isn't going after the creeps tweeting mean things about Honey BooBoo's mom?
How come Kate isn't standing up for another mom? Isn't that what she always says? "Us momma's gotta stick together"?
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 127
Something to keep in mind Missy Francis was stopped in public her entire childhood due to reruns of a few episodes when she was EIGHT. She was mortified and annoyed by it.
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Naturally.
Confucius said: Man who's always looking backwards, is in danger of falling flat on face.
Something to keep in mind Missy Francis was stopped in public her entire childhood due to reruns of a few episodes when she was EIGHT. She was mortified and annoyed by it.
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Naturally.
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It was sad to hear how rude and disrespectful grown adults could be of a teen girl just out shopping or at Magic Mountain. They interrupted her and embarrassed her in front of her friends and kept bringing up projects she did when she was a little kid. Sometimes she would lie and say she wasn't Missy Francis. So sad.
It reminds me of the sheeple so nosey about the kids when it's none of their business.
Hmmmm.... said... 117
Ok, this may be waaay out there, but in my opinion....Someone in the biz told Kate, in order to let her down gently, "You really need to live in LA if you want another show," knowing that it just isn't possible. Since she came back from CWS, there's been stories about her wanting Jon in jail, wanting to move to LA, and now blaming Jon for this tell-all. I think her main goal is to force Jon to relinquish custody, so she can take the kids and move to LA.
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Kate is used to being a big fish, in a little pond.
In LA, she will be reduced to a little fish, in a very crowded pond. Not good for a person who thinks that she's a big stah.
@Allisstair @BullyVille @Kateplusmy8 more bullchit surfaces. When will Jon focus on his life & stop focusing on destroying Kate's life?
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There really does appear to be a real disconnect here between fantasy and reality.
They have imagined this elaborate fanciful scenario where Jon is plotting and scheming all day long to "get" Kate. When really twitter postings and other sightings show Jon either at a normal job working, or at the grocery store, or out to eat with his girlfriend, or taking his kids out to ice cream, or going to their sports games and other school events.
I think this is a form of paranoia in a way. So paranoid that Jon is behind all this when all the evidence suggests he's long moved on and is just living life now like the rest of the mediocre. It's like they can't even comprehend that he really doesn't have the time or the inclination to obsess about Kate. I think they WANT Jon to be behind this because it creates a nice convenient enemy. No regard for how that would make his children feel.
In LA, she will be reduced to a little fish, in a very crowded pond. Not good for a person who thinks that she's a big stah.
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Or in NY. Her diva behavior doesn't fly in the big pond unless you are some really big name or REALLY good at what you do. I think this is the reason she won't move, she's been out here and knows she's a nobody out here. Ex reality t.v. stars are everywhere, the place is crawling with actor-wannabe Survivor contestants and the like. Also try getting anything close to the land and house she has unless she's willing to live in the middle of the desert.
Layla said... 94
Isn't it interesting how Kate's few remaining fans are encouraging each other to buy multiple copies of her cookbook. They can look at novelrank and see how low the order numbers are. They are buying extra copies to give to homeless shelters, to give out in an "act of kindness" contest, to "pay it forward", to give out as gifts.
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Not discounting 'paying forward' or 'giving back' ... but ... most people in NEED in my small area of Indiana would only use a cookbook, any cookbook, to burn for heat. Their money spent on a cookbook would be better spent sending to their local homeless shelter, electric company or gas company for those REALLY IN NEED.
If this ever went to court, and I believe it will not, but Kate's stance will be that these "haters" named in the BV lawsuit attacked new followers on her tweeter feed. When a new tweeter would follow her, the haters would tweet them terrible "lies" about Kate.
Well, the judge would ask her how did this hurt her twitter feed. What damages can she show? Kate will not have a leg to stand on. Her twitter feed has grown rapidly in the past 2 years. She has gained followers everyday of the past 2 years.
Hence, there is no proof that the "haters" attacking newcomers did any damage to her gaining new followers to her feed.
Leslie
Meagler said... 122
''IMHO, it looks Like kate feels she should be able to say whatever SHE wants to say, and no one ever comment , or critisize her view or actions.
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I agree. KK fits what I've said for years about what some people believe is ''free speech''.......They believe freedom of speech means I get to say what I want, and you get to shut up!!
Meagler said... 128
''BTW, my opinion, even if Jon did have anything to do with Robert getting the information, if it was done legally, then I support it. I will not basj Jon about his role, until I know what he did and did not do to protect his kids. For all we know, that was part of the reason why he became a stay at home dad so he could alleviate kate's stress, and stop her from taking it out on the kids.
From what I understand, most of the abusiveness towards the kids, was when Jon was still working outside of the home.''
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I'm right there with you. IF (and we both seem to think that is a big IF) Jon did help Robert, I'll lean to the side of him doing what he could to protect his children. I think that you're right about the worst of the abuse was when he was still working outside the home, and maybe he did think that if he was at home he could protect his children.
I should say that although I am generally very conservative, I am EXTREMELY liberal when it comes to free speech. It is my firm belief that it is the most vile free speech we must protect the most. My views are aligned quite closely with the ACLU. Which is why I just laughed when they said the ACLU would get involve--gimme a break, not on their lives.
First I follow the traditional view and most legal definitions that bullying is an issue for children only and not grown adults and especially not grown adults in the public eye. Geez Kate try being a politician and see what's said about you.
What Kate speaks of is at most harassment and grown adults are perfectly capable of dealing with such things through the court of law or as she said asking police to increase patrols.
Even in schools there is a struggle between the pervasive anti bullying campaigns and free speech. For instance Huffington Post had a story about a student in Fort Worth who said that homosexuality was against his religion. He was accused of "bullying" and suspended. There was outrage and the suspension was lifted.
I think this is a great example of why people crying bullying need to understand the difference here. You may not like what he is saying, you may even think he is backwards and prejudice, but his religious views deserve as much protection as anyone else's and are not "bullying." It would be a different story if he were targeting a particular gay student and giving them grief. That's not what he was doing. He has as much right to say that as does a gay student could say being straight is against my religion.
Another example is Neo Nazis and Westboro. Oh my gosh, I could go on for weeks about their vileness and hate. Especially the Westboro funerals--AWFUL. But, they are allowed free speech. They've been sued over and over and have been consistently allowed to say what they say by the Courts. Absolutely they have. If sheeple would prefer a country in which it's less acceptable to say what's on your mind, I could make some suggestions!
Here's the thing, why not get creative in dealing with such groups? I love the groups of "angels" who will surround whatever it is they are protesting so they can't be seen or get near. Now that's a great way to combat things you don't like. Instead of shutting it down, let the public decide who is in the right here. Let goodness battle hatred, not suppression. Free speech you don't like is best combatted by your own free speech back. Open dialogue is what we're all about.
We are free to say what we don't like about Kate, and they are free to defend her. I don't want to shut them down, they keep things interesting.
Does anyone think that the reason it has been so quiet in the Robert camp is because there ARE legitimate media outlets that are currently interviewing him and viewing for themselves the information he said he would present and that the "calm before the storm" that Robert referred to when he said he was rereleasing the book is happening right now....that maybe the proverbial "feces is about to hit the rotating oscillator" for old Kate in the near future which is why she is so manic on twitter and focused on this BV guy?
Meagler said... 128
Jane...Did kate retweet msgoody2shoes21 comment? If she is taking the high road , as she says she supposedly is... then she should be the first to retweet this comment!!
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No, not yet. She did RT this. That high road hit a dead end fast!
MsGoody2Shoes21 @msgoody2shoes21 10h
RT @exodusanonymous: Jon Gosselin & Author Linked In Scheme To Spread Lies About Kate Gosselin: http://po.st/MuobZX @kateplusmy8
Hey, People v Larry Flynt is available FOR FREE and LEGAL on Youtube! From Crackle. Crackle is like Hulu. I echo the sentiments it is a fantastic movie and well worth your time.
Well that is a sign. This post is getting long, maybe we should have a viewing party!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7hEdB4Kk24&feature=youtube_gdata_player
@msgoody2shoes21 @exodusanonymous @Kateplusmy8 It is pathetic that Jon would stoop that low for a buck..poor kids! We love u Kate!
Kateplusmy8@trentnanny09 @msgoody2shoes21 @exodusanonymous XO right back atcha. :)
Kate is disgusting. She is 100% agreeing that Jon DID stoop that low for a buck. She is despicable. I thoroughly agree that Kate tried to put Jon in jail for this. I truly believe she wants her kids to see their Dad go to jail. I really do believe that. That way, in her very sick mind, it would prove to her kids that she is a great mother and their father is a total scumbag.
Can you imagine what she is telling the kids about this situation. I think she is discussing some of this with at least with the twins if not all the kids. She is brainwashing the 8 kids.
Leslie
@msgoody2shoes21 @exodusanonymous @Kateplusmy8 It is pathetic that Jon would stoop that low for a buck..poor kids! We love u Kate!
Kateplusmy8@trentnanny09 @msgoody2shoes21 @exodusanonymous XO right back atcha. :)
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Holy crap! WHOA NELLIE. She better be able to back up that claim or she just libeled Jon big time. Is he even checking twitter anymore to know she is saying this. How does SHE know Jon was involved and why hasn't she sued him in court by now? And wouldn't the FIRST thing she would have said when this first came out was that Jon was involved? She never hesitated to implicate him in everything else before. Come off it, she's just losing it and getting more and more brazen the more she gets away with it.
Now, let's talking about stooping low for a buck. How about sending your children to live with an ex Playboy playmate and work while you go drinking and partying in L.A. How much lower can you stoop for a buck than that? Really, I'd like to know.
Wowser said... 146
I've wondered that same thing. I'd think that legitimate news agencies would be asking Robert, Jon, Kate and McNibblet for proof and/or comment before reporting a story that may or may not be true.
I hope so.
Places like ROL picked up the story and ran, but have they given the 1-800 number for the law firm handling the 'class action' lawsuit? Doesn't there have to be a law firm handling it .. or is McNibblet a 'former marine' cum 'esquire'?
Time will tell I suppose, but it's become an "I can't look away" to "I couldn't care less" for me. And BORING isn't going to get Kate a new TV show.
Also didn't she JUST say that she stays above it all doesn't insult Jon?
What in the same H&& does she call this? Hardly above the fray!
She's lost it. Officially. Her reality is not what is happening. Is that schizophrenia? Serious question.
Also how come they keep ignoring the fact that all proceeds went to charity? This is easy enough to verify, CASA is a national organization. I'm sure the sheeple would be all over that if they said they never got anything.
How does one "stoop for a buck" when everything went to charity?
Kate is manipulative and vindictive....that tweet is typical Kate. By NOT saying anything about the tweet re Jon, she is subtly saying she agrees without saying anything...she would come back and say "i did NOT slander Jon! I only responded to the part of the tweet where she said she loved me and I said "right back atcha"... Kate is the QUEEN of the sentences that start with "I never said.....and the ending sentences of "not me"
I keep reading that Bullyville is a 'former Marine.' Has anyone verified that? Has anyone verified his discharge status or tours of duty? Just wondering. My family is BIG on serving our country and I can't think of ONE of them in ANY branch of the service who would go to these lows for money. My family serves/served this country because they believe in freedom. If he truly was a Marine, I'd love to hear from those he served under, or who served with him. I bet they have stories to tell.
Hours ago, I responded to Jane's post, but haven't seen it yet. (Just watch, it will pop up right after this one!!)
Jane said... 84
''This is what Kate RTs. it's crystal clear she's out to get Jon and Robert.
kateplusmy8
RT @msgoody2shoes21: RT @exodusanonymous: Jon Gosselin & Author Linked In Scheme To Spread Lies About Kate Gosselin: http://t.co/fVfj8O8AQd(preview) @kateplusmy8
1 min ago from Twitterrific''
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Oh KK....better watch out! She seems to be getting careless w/the RTs! If she's not careful, she may say or retweet something that Robert believes KK is calling him a liar!!
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Now I see this:
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 148
@msgoody2shoes21 @exodusanonymous @Kateplusmy8 It is pathetic that Jon would stoop that low for a buck..poor kids! We love u Kate!
Kateplusmy8@trentnanny09 @msgoody2shoes21 @exodusanonymous XO right back atcha. :)
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''Holy crap! WHOA NELLIE. She better be able to back up that claim or she just libeled Jon big time. ''
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As the day progresses, KK is getting more and more careless. Is she stupid enough to believe that Bv has somehow ''proved'' that the discs have been tampered with?
OR maybe Bv is the stupid one, and believing KK (and her ''lunatic fan'' who has insisted from the beginning that Robert changed the journal)? My gut instincts are that even though KK doesn't have a high IQ, she IS cunning, and she has punked/manipulated Bv into doing her dirty work.
KK should lay off the wine and get off twitter for a while, before she pokes Robert and/or Jon one too many times and Robert follows through with his threat about releasing everything he has if she calls him a liar!
Go Robert! Go Robert!
BV is just a bully himself. Sometimes the military can attract bullies just like law enforcement does, just like law school does, just like politics does. Any profession where you get to call the shots against the weak.
I do not believe many even most people in those professions are bullies but it does attract those who are.
Hoosier Girl said... 156
''I keep reading that Bullyville is a 'former Marine.' ''
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For what it's worth.....
I asked the military in my family, and they said they have NEVER heard a Marine refer to themselves as ''Former'' Marine. ''Once a Marine, always a Marine''...is what they all said to me.
NONE of what is claimed makes any sense.
Let's assume it can be seen the discs were altered (like Robert would turn over the discs to BV? Makes no sense). There's no way to tell WHO did it. It could have been Kate herself checking what was on the discs before tossing them. Oh, these journals here and there, I'll delete a couple things then toss the rest. It could have been anyone.
I mean even if you can get past the huge hurdle of proving the discs were altered, there is no way to say this is the person who did it. Even if it was done on their computer there's no proving it wasn't someone else in the home.
We run into this problem a lot in court. I can prove that THIS happened. Okay, SO WHAT? Unless and until you can link it to the defendant, your proof is useless. This really is such a simple concept yet none of them will question this.
As has been said so many times about Kate, she hates Jon more than she loves her children. I don't think she cares one iota how what she's doing now will affect them. Whether the accusations about Jon are true or not, you don't play it out on social media - or at least a mom who puts her kids first doesn't!
Just like the abuse that was suspected of taking place, that was confirmed in her journals, the extent of her vindictiveness and narcissism (or whatever it is) that's been speculated on for years, is playing out now on the net for all to see. While Kate apparently sees nothing wrong with what she's saying and implying, the kids will be dealing the repercussions of her actions for the rest of their lives. She just doesn't get it.
Below is the headline for ROL lastest article from a day or so ago. Reading it sounds like it is a FACT that Jon and Robert are linked in a scheme for money. This is so unfair and not true. Nothing has been proven about this so far. I don't know how ROL gets away with this crap.
Jon Gosselin & Author Linked In Scheme To Spread Lies About Kate Gosselin For Profit –Anti-Bullying Activist Vows To Expose Money Trail Proof
I think a lot of Kate's followers and fans think that is a fact already. Again, so unfair.
Leslie
You're not allowed to just watch abuse happen and do nothing or you're implicated too.
EXACTLY. And that is the reason I cannot 'forgive' Jon. Nope.
Remona Blue said... 159
AMEN to that Remona! That's the thought here too. I just wondered if anyone checks that stuff out before they print it ... ROL???
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 158
And AMEN to that too Admin.
I think BV may be implying that he has tracks of emails between Jon and Robert talking about the book. Or some version of that. Or maybe BV dug up some reputable (ha, ha) person that said Jon admitted to him that he was providing private info & private family stuff about Kate for Robert's book. And that Robert was going to give him a cut of the proceeds for doing so. I don't think BV is saying the CD discs were tampered with. Just my opinion.
Leslie
EXACTLY. And that is the reason I cannot 'forgive' Jon. Nope.
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What are you basing this on? Do we have information about what was said and done? Even a source? I don't think anyone here would support someone ignoring abuse, I can't imagine it, but the problem is we don't have any information how Jon handled this situation. We don't know whether he called CPS, called friends, family, tried to get Kate to go to therapy, quit his job to be around more, gave her an ultimatum to stop, made sure the children were never left alone with her again, didn't even know about it, or knew and did nothing. We simply don't know. I can't blame Jon anymore than I can blame anyone else like Beth or Jodi--I haven't the foggiest idea exactly what they tried or didn't try. I can only hope they did their best, but I'm not about to libel someone and say they did nothing when I don't KNOW THAT.
I think just about the only thing we do know is that the kids were never thrown in foster care. It's entirely possible CPS was involved, came out, assessed things and told everyone they believed the situation was stable. Or it's possible not.
How do you pick a side when we don't have any info about what happened??? I'm curious.
Please do tell us all what Jon should have done.
I, for one, would love to hear it.
All Jon had to do was keep a low profile during the divorce period. If he had done that, he would have come out smelling like a rose and Kate would have exposed herself to be the abuser that she is.
I'm aware people want me to forgive Jon for that period of bad behavior but I never will. Because of the way he dealt with that period of time, Kate got the upper hand and continues to this day.
That's pretty much it. I can't forgive someone for something they did that STILL HAS AN IMPACT TODAY. Jon ruined his reputation and in the process Kate was, and still is, the rational one. WE know it's not true that Kate is the rational one, but the general public doesn't.
IMO, Kate is so blinded by rage, that she does not see past her nose.
EXACTLY. And that is the reason I cannot 'forgive' Jon. Nope
Why do you feel you have the right to "forgive" or "not forgive" Jon? Has he done something to you personally? The only people that have any reason to "forgive" Jon or not are his children. Seriously, it's really not your concern or your business.
I'll bet ROL is close to being bored with this Bullyville/Kae saga Really, no other outlet has picked this up, beyond those that just regurgitate the ROL story. No talk shows interested - NONE. I think this story has about played out - it really is beyond boring and laughabe.
Like I said the hypocrisy astounds me! As long as Kate's not being bashed, harrassed or bullied and putting down Jon, the ROL stories are true. However, if it's 'against' Kate, it's all lies, consider the source, etc. etc. etc. But a planted story about Jon by Bullyville, who for whatever reason is focused on Jon ... well that must be true, because we all know he has been bashing, harassing, bullying Kate, trying to bring her down, we see it online daily right ... oh wait, no, Jon's not online, that would be Kate!
If Kate truly has an issue with Jon and the way he's treating her or her children, she needs to take him to family court and keep it offline! Nope apparently can't do that, claims the high road, but happily retweets or agrees with tweets bashing him ... Oye!
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 182
''EXACTLY. And that is the reason I cannot 'forgive' Jon. Nope.''
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This blog is driving me crazy the way the posts pop up way up the thread, while we're seeing things ten posts later! That little hissy fit is in order to ask you what number comment are you responding to? (Not that it will stay that number, because of the older comments changing numbers).....so maybe a name of who you are quoting will help me find the comment?
I am approving comments Unknown, I'm not sure why it's being glitchy. Please be patient.
All Jon had to do was keep a low profile during the divorce period.
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Well now I'm really confused. You said Jon didn't protect from the abuse. What does keeping a low profile during a divorce have to do with whether you are protecting from child abuse?? That's two completely different things. The fact that you choose to keep or not keep a low profile during divorce doesn't mean you're not protecting against child abuse.
Ah who cares if you can't 'forgive' Jon, statements like that make me wonder why some people seem to be so emotionally invested in the doings of other people. And considering that Jon keeps a low profile, is off Twitter (which means no nasty passive-aggressive RT's from him), is not leaving the kids with strangers on a TV show, well, why drag up old stuff which is, today, none of my, or your, business. Just my 2 cents.
Is upper school just a pretentious name for high school? I can't stand when private schools think they're so special because they called their principal headmaster and their high school upper school. It's all the same thing. They know everyone is laughing at how snobby they are right?
Jon Gosselin & Author Linked
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This is so frustrating. No one has been linked to anything. What EVIDENCE???
They're allowed their free speech to say that, we're allowed our free speech to say that's a ridiculous thing to say.
I hate this game. Kate does not have the proof to actually take Jon to court so she is using Bullyville to accuse and try him all on Twitter. This is just so wrong on all levels. Take your dirty laundry off of the public forum and take care of it in private. No one cares about any of this anymore. Try staying relevant by doing something of value . . . you know, like take up a cause or something.
And Bullyville, grab your niblets and stop doing Kate's bidding. You are embarassing yourself and your organization. This isn't bullying. This is a scorned woman who wants revenge.
Marie
not a fan of Jon's said... 183
Please do tell us all what Jon should have done.
I, for one, would love to hear it.
All Jon had to do was keep a low profile during the divorce period. If he had done that, he would have come out smelling like a rose and Kate would have exposed herself to be the abuser that she is.
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I do not understand your thinking at all. If Jon had flown under the radar Kate would have been seen as a child abuser? How? How does one follow the other?
Of course Jon and Robert are linked. Everyone already knew that. What is the big reveal? It doesn't mean anything except that they knew each other.
Marie
Bullyville has not tweeted since April 6 @ approx. 4pm. He stated there was another account with his name on it, tweeting as though it was him.
There are a few twitter accounts, that I can find, that have been blasting @bullyville. These accounts seem to be anonymous type twitter accounts, perhaps "real" anonymous?
One of the tweeters tweeted a picture of Dr. Phil speaking with McGibney and it has a drawing over top of it. It is not in McGibney's favor.
It seems they are saying that McGibney works for the FBI and has "outed" some real hackers.
This is getting very interesting!
EXACTLY. And that is the reason I cannot 'forgive' Jon. Nope
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I'm sure that Jon is losing sleep and taking anxiety medication over the fact that an unknown person on a blog cannot forgive him!
Jon Gosselin & Author Linked In Scheme To Spread Lies About Kate Gosselin For Profit –Anti-Bullying Activist Vows To Expose Money Trail Proof
I think a lot of Kate's followers and fans think that is a fact already. Again, so unfair.
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Yes, and if there is no evidence linking a scheme to spread lies, I would hope that both of their attorneys are busy taking notes.
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