Are you there God? It's me, Kate.
We will do a “book club” style discussion of a few chapters at a time as we read the book together. You are free to read with the group or skip ahead. You are also free to discuss whatever you like, however if you want to partake in the book club discussion, this thread is here to discuss the designated chapters. Robert Hoffman’s book “Kate Gosselin: How She Fooled the World” is available on Amazon for Kindle. The Kindle app is free for multiple platforms, including PCs.
5. Bad Blog
Kate obsessively reads what is said about her on the internet, from Google news alert to the Gosselin blogs. Undeniably the first online presence to ever call Kate out was the Reading Eagle, a small but respected local newspaper. Staff member Dana Hoffman kept a blog on the site detailing Kate's misdeeds. Kate's people eventually called up the Reading Eagle and asked them to shut down her blog. Within hours the paper removed it from the site. Kate keeps files on her computer with information from blogs and even on their moderators. The file folder for Dana's blog was entitled "Bad Blog."
In January 2008, Kate also asked Discovery to remove Television Without Pity's Jon and Kate forum (which in fact was closed eventually, in June 2008), and the Discovery Health Channel forum.
Kate's house is in a rural neighborhood and surrounded by farmland. She once drove the kids three hours to Maryland to trick-or-treat in her bodyguard Steve's neighborhood.
When Jodi and Kevin spoke publicly about what they saw, Kate fired off an email to Discovery with her three favorite words: "Can we sue?"
According to a member of Kate's family, Kate has been diagnosed with bi-polar, but refuses to take medication.
Hoffman once observed Kate with the kids when she was having a very stable, happy day. She and the nanny, Judy, took the sextuplets to get donuts, later they went to the park and spent a long time there, then met up with another mother and her daughter for a play date back at the house. Hoffman also observed her chatting up and flirting with a park employee.
7. Kate's God Complex
“I asked her how that works as far as our rate going up from Disc Health network and the ‘fringe benefits’ as I call them…. She said that the amount we are paid per show will not take away from what they (AMP) will provide for us. She used the examples of the kids beds… she said those things come out of their (AMP) budget from the network. So that is almost mind boggling to me we will be paid for each episode and receive fringe benefits!!!!! Lord, how great thou art!!!!!”
Kate felt God was "urging" her to quit her nursing job.
Kate said that if Discovery wasn't going to pay for the beds she wasn't going to allow them to film the episode about beds. Jen (producer Jen Stocks) was annoyed by this.
As for Jon, Kate wrote: “I pray that his complacency would leave him and would turn into passion for the Lord! Lord PLEASE help Jon to desire these things!!!!!! Help him to become a man of integrity!!!!! Lord please!!!!! He could be the perfect man if he could get these things under control and let God take control!!!!!”
Alexia foods sent four cases of fries. Other food was sent by others or offered at reduced prices. Fans, friends and family sent gift cards and cash, including $250 from Kate's parents, and Kate attributed it all to God.
Kate writes this about the children: “Lord I am begging you to help me be a loving caring kind and slow to anger mommy. Please stop me somehow from hurting my kids and help me to be slow to anger!!!! I love them SOOO much. Help them to obey me!!!!! And not get into trouble!!!!! Please Lord, amen!!!!”
1872 sediments (sic) from readers:
«Oldest ‹Older 1401 – 1600 of 1872 Newer› Newest»Yep, there is absolutely no way Kate will appear on the show if the book is brought up. I am sure Julie May has taken care of that with Couic's producer.
BTW, I believe TLC's Long Island Medium is a fake. Listen to how she asks leading questions.
Berk's Neighbor: the only one that Kate is in tune to is: God only helps those who help themselves. Kate will help herself to freebees, and gifts and will grift, till the end of time, so Kate is helping herself, even if it means stepping over everyone(husband, children, parents, etc) to get it.
Admin ~ I think her sudden interest in yoga is a ruse. It probably helps silence her inner dialogue, but more so, it gives her an opportunity to deflect when people ask questions about her high-strung personality, maybe even the allegations in the book.
Yoga knows how to help her. It's her pathway to peace.
I've never sold anything yet- I always give away and donate. I am grateful not to be struggling and I believe in random acts of kindness and that sharing is caring. I know people are down on their luck, so why not donate? I'll keep doing it for as long as I can, hopefully the rest of my life :)
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I feel the same way butterfly.
Sometimes I try to sell on Ebay. Haven't tried Craigslist yet.
We're getting our appliances taken out today for a kitchen remodel and whatever ReStore will come and pick up, they can have. I could try to sell some of the appliances, but for me it's a win-win to donate the stuff and let someone else benefit while we take the tax deduction.
No brainer.
Which brings me to why I'm finally getting back to posting!
I bought the book (Kinlde for Mac) on Friday and between reading it (what a mother load of info!), trying to keep up with all the postings and completely emptying my kitchen, I'm finally caught up and have some time to chat a bit here.
Oh, and taking old Mr. Bichon to the vet for a scratched cornea! Been a tough couple weeks for him.
Lots and lots of thoughts to process through and post!
Readerlady: you & I know who those people are who would try & banned these books. Let's not start that conversation. But we know. :) Banning some of those books are laughable. I can see: Little House on the prairie: being banned for sexual content. Unreal! LOLOLOL
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 199
@MiloandJack to me that was my yoga lesson today... All the world, be gone... I was in my body and focusing on it!;) ahhhh about 20 hours ago
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Is yoga like her new "thing"? Next she'll be a Yoga Mama?
If she would just take her kids to the darn movies once in awhile I wouldn't begrudge her her yoga class.
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What? Coupon Mama, jogging mama, can-do mama,
organizational mama, dancing mama, motivational speaking mama, modeling mama, acting mama, traveling mama, cruise mama, aexercise equipment mama, author mama, co-hosting mama, giving back mama, etc... etc... etc... didn't work?
Maybe she'll join an ashram, and boss everyone there.
P.S. I finished reading the book last night.
It's funny how we all pegged her correctly before this story got out.
It's no longer pitiful when her sheeple blow smoke up her ass..., it's downright laughable.
Bread baking and meat slicing are old now, so is running, this month is probably the last of the marathons. Ah yoga, nowshe loves yoga - mental pic of Kate getting zen in front of a yoga dvr in tv 'cuz we all know she's not taking a yoga class with any mediocre women in her 'hood. And if she is indeed getting fried and sprayed for her tv moment tomorrow, she probably will not be opening her mouth, not in a group situation. How pathetic, tv only comes calling when they want her as a 'former reality performer'. She is so former.
Tucker's mom:
Poor dog...hope it's healed soon. (Jon had that one episode and Kate still had him put on his contacts and drive the girls to cooking class- how painful)
I was at the vet Friday- annual check-up plus heartguard/flea & tick meds, urinalysis for ? UTI -$518
That's one bill I never truly mind although they do gouge you. However, my car is STILL in repair shop and no headway on my accident claim. Sigh. Will be sorting drawers (for donations!) later while on hold...again....
Incredible Wow said... 147
There is a pro-Kate blog that I suspected would ignore this book. I just learned I was mistaken. They've taken up her defense. I'm actually shocked by this. How can they defend this woman now?
One of the moderators was once employed as a school nurse. Wouldn't that make her a mandated abuse reporter? Another mod is still a teacher in a school district today. Another mandated reporter?
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It gets better. One is a practicing social worker.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 199
"Is yoga like her new "thing"? Next she'll be a Yoga Mama?"
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I would think that Kate's too "inflexible" for yoga. She doesn't bend, does she? :)
My take on the Robert Hoffman acquistion of Katie Irene's computer files (assets) is that she/Discovery/LTC wasted a hell of money on the Prudential Associates - Risk Management and Security Consulting - angle.
A quick look at the Prudential Associates web site states expertise in the following:
Source - http://prudentrisk.com/security_assessments.html
The following steps describe Prudentials approach to conducting the Basic Security Risk Assessment:
Understand the organization and identify the people and assets at risk
Specify loss risk events and vulnerabilities
Establish the probability of loss risk and frequency of events
Determine the impact of the events
Develop options to mitigate risks
Study the feasibility of implementation of options
Perform a cost/benefit analysis
Prudential Associates - Maryland's Private Investigation Professionals - Risk Assessment Report
The Risk Assessment Report will provide what management needs to know about security:
What vulnerabilities and weakness are present today?
What is the current threat level?
How can we measure effectiveness of existing security controls?
How much should we spend on additional security features?
Are we compliant with current regulations?
Prudential Associates - Maryland's Private Investigation Professionals - Prudential Associates will help you answer the following:
Prudential Associates will help you answer the following:
Is your security program as effective and efficient as it can and should be?
Are your people and assets reasonably protected against attack, theft, and other compromises?
Do you really know what your security-related risks, vulnerabilities, threats, and liabilities are, and how to prevent or mitigate them?
Do you have a program and process for practical and effective prevention of and response to Workplace Violence?
Are you reasonably protected against todays escalating security-related liabilities?
Do the security services that you now use provide consistently quality service at the best price?
How vulnerable is your computer network?
How much security is enough security?
My conclusion is that Steven K. Neild, as an employee of Prudential Associates is an incompetent fool and none of the above stated expertise was implemented. Steve-O was outwitted by Robert Hoffman. Robert, by all accounts, is just a local guy looking to pick up extra some work on the Gosselin story.
God help us all as citizens of the United States if Purdential Associates is picking up governmental contracts peddling their supposed expertise, paid for by our tax dollars.
Kate is a twit: I guess we will find out when , Kate appearance on Katie was taped. Since, Kate was in NYC for that Fashion show, which was on a wednesday, Kate wore: that black dress, and that animal print, and her hair was not straight. So if she is wearing the above, then that is when , it was taped.
Kate should try for cultmama, she already has the followers!
Dutch Tulip
I would think that Kate's too "inflexible" for yoga. She doesn't bend, does she? :)
She'd definitely have to take the stick out first.
Improbable Dreams said... 6
Admin ~ I think her sudden interest in yoga is a ruse. It probably helps silence her inner dialogue, but more so, it gives her an opportunity to deflect when people ask questions about her high-strung personality, maybe even the allegations in the book.
Yoga knows how to help her. It's her pathway to peace.
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Then Kate had better recall every season of Jon & Kate + 8, and Kate + 8, because she was
ONE BAD MAMA JAMMING PILL throughout the entire series.
But seriously, Yoga is EXACTLY what Kate should be doing. It's going to help her alot. It's great people of all ages, body types, and kids too.
I LOVE YOGA!
ITA! Running hasn't gotten her anywhere. Now it is yoga. I smell Julie May at work.
Regarding the problems with potty training & social development of the tups, Did Kate ever take the time to step back and think about what was causing the difficulties? Did she not realize the way she was parenting them was probably the root of most of the problems, i.e. the children acting out in anger for the pain or not having the words to express their feelings since they were still too young to have that kind of thinking Kate expected them to have at 2 years old. I could not believe that she thought she would have children that would obey her AT ALL TIMES. Children are not robots, Kate. Nor can you lump them all together in one class. Every and each child is different and would require different style/approach of parenting. I think she has the wrong idea about the 'obeying' part. Why was it so important for them to OBEY her? Is she managing a company or a family? I could not figure that one out.
Prudential can also be hired to do investigative work for cheating spouses. I am sure Steve knows all the tricks.
Sassy Lassy ~ I think so, too, and was just jumping back online to add that I fully support her in this. Aside from the potential p.r. benefits, there are very real, and very positive benefits to yoga. I LOVE YOGA and believe it CAN help her, if she allows herself that gift.
But yoga just provides the opening. IMO, she needs more assistance than posing and deep breathing could afford her.
Before Robert's book was pulled from Amazon, I thought I saw that it had reached #2 on both the Kindle and Books bestseller lists in the Entertainment category. I even clicked on a link that brought me to a page showing that. Can anyone confirm that? Robert?
Butterfly: I think the same way about, when I get stuff for free. But, in the event I do choose to sell it, cause it is worth something, then I would take the money and donate it to an animal shelter. When my mom passed away, 3 years ago, I had bought her, jogging pants & tops, she never got to wear, I donated it. I even going to donate the adult diapers to the Senior Day care, where they took care of my mom, while I was at work. (the diapers packages, have not even been opened). What Kate does is greed.
I just don't get the Sheeple. We could tell that she was an abusive monster just by watching the show. The book is just icing on the cake. How those clueless people can't see it is beyond me.
Beth
LB, what's the good in Masterminding if all the
kids have minds of their own? Kate masterminds, she does not parent. Children might walk off the straight line, but they will be very sorry. They not only had to dress exactly alike but they had to act exactly alike, sit exactly alike, etc.
Only if they were all programmed to "good behavior" could Kate deal with them on any level.
I believe Katie Couric tapes same day or day before. I saw a promo she did yesterday that referred to something that happened over the weekend.
Which means of course Kate is getting prepped for the Wednesday show.
I do not expect a Couric/Palin moment at all. This is the kinder, gentler Katie C., which is right in her perky wheelhouse.
TLC stinks said... 21
Prudential can also be hired to do investigative work for cheating spouses. I am sure Steve knows all the tricks.
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One of the items, among many, that caught my eye was:
Do you have a program and process for practical and effective prevention of and response to Workplace Violence?
I guess that wasn't needed in the Katie Irene household.
Admin ~ Any chance we can get a new post for our Book Club? I know we're all over the place with our own reading(s), but it'd be nice to have a few more chapters as a basis of discussion. If you've got time, of course. I know you're busy.
The computer issue re TLC/Discovery is their OWN fault.
They should have issued her a company-owned computer with a legitimate email for all business correspondence. When the contract ends, they get the computer back, all emails/docs in tact.
I bet their computer policy has been changed ASAP.
It's how businesses, well, do business.
heather
Meant to add:
This ensures the security of all documents and that personal web surfing, viruses, etc., do not affect work materials. It also allows IT people to put up firewalls, etc.
If an employee travels, they generally get a secure laptop. If it is home-based/telecommute, they get shipped a full computer set-up.
too bad, so sad.
heather
I'm going to make a list of standard KK answers and see how many she uses tomorrow in Katie...
If Kate's only basis for suing was intellectual property, seems pretty weak--as long as all of Robert's evidence was obtained legally.
Remember when Paris Hilton's storage locker was sold at auction for non-payment? It contained all sorts of journals, photos, videotapes and personal items that were sold for $10 million.
Although she sued, and the case was settled, the website that posted her diaries was not shut down. The laws and contracts concerning storage lockers is irrefutable--you lose your rights if the bill isn't paid. According to admin,the same has been established if contents have been discarded.
One of the claims on the suit was that she owned the copyright on her journals--clearly there was no basis to that or they would have gone to court. Since the case settled, we don't know the outcome, but we do know that she could not get the website shut down.
Hilton wanted the publications to shut down--not money. Of course, this is not true for our little grifter, Kate. I have no doubt that she will use all of her resources to batter Robert down and financially bleed him dry--even if there is no basis. So, he may have the satisfaction of being right, but, at what cost?
This whole saga does explain why nobody has tested the confidentiality agreements--the personal price is too high.
Like some here have said, I think Jon was complicit in providing access by either active participation (ex. Giving Robert the computer contents), or passive participation (as in, not picking up his belongings at the curb, knowing that Robert would).. Standing by and letting this all unfold certainly fits with the passive-aggressive behavior that we saw on the show.
I am really irritated that, as always, the focus is on one side of the equation-Kate--while Jon's passive-aggressive behavior not only gets a pass--it is applauded! Kate could not have perpetrated this fraud or terrorized these children without Jon's enabling behavior. Post after post expresses rage at TLC at the crew, at Beth, at everyone else---except for Jon. It just doesn't make sense.
I challenge any one here to address Jon's behavior without using the worn-out phrase "Jon couldn't do xxxxx because Kate would/wouldn't do yyyyy.
Clearly, Kate couldn't cut off access to the kids--if she could have, he wouldn't be sharing custody now.
What percentage of the responsibility does Jon have for what has happened? Didn't he sign the TLC contract, too? Wasn't he trolling for freebies while being paid to do a job? From what has been posted here, it seems that many believe that he is just a victim. He knew his children were being beaten on a regular basis--not even their rides home from the school bus stop were off-limits--he abandoned them, and left them with their raging mother.
Why do so many look at Kate's behavior as if it occurred in a vacuum? Her behavior was exactly 50% of their dynamic. Who do people think is the other 50%? Kate could not have pulled this scam off without Jon's passivity and participation.
Is he the better parent--yes, no doubt. But, he abandoned his children--even left the country and moved several hours away, knowing that his children were being beaten and that their mother could not take care of them. Kate is not responsible for his weak character and his passivity--he brought that to their relationship and she exploited it.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 196
"Sheri it was Sherry Baby for this comment that Robert thought was funny:
Sherry Baby said… 63
For starters, Kate, it’s knowledge, not knowledge. It’s Crohn’s disease, not crones. And it’s free reign (or rein), not free range.” It’s gorgeous, not georgeous. It’s Sydney, not Sidney. It’s privilege, not priviledge. It’s accommodate, not accommodate. It’s calendar, not calender. It’s perseverance, not perserverance."
Thanks Admin, for clarifying. Back to trying to catch up. :D
I made the comment about spelling? What chapter? I don't even remember saying that! Too much Rumspringa, maybe. I did notice in the book that Miss Perfect Grammar Kate always says, "Good things are coming to Jon and I." She always screws that one up. I laughed when I read Kate's comments from the interviews and Robert used all of the "ums," "uhs." She really can't carry on an articulate conversation, can she?
"Admin ~ I think her sudden interest in yoga is a ruse"
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Of course! Is TM next? What will be her mantra?
"My conclusion is that Steven K. Neild, as an employee of Prudential Associates is an incompetent fool and none of the above stated expertise was implemented."
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Steve isn't merely an employee. He's co-founder and executive vice president. That makes it even better!
Since there are quite a few "Sherrys" on here, perhaps I should change my name to "Can You Come Out Tonight?" or "We'll Dance The Night Away!"
Is he the better parent--yes, no doubt. But, he abandoned his children--even left the country and moved several hours away, knowing that his children were being beaten and that their mother could not take care of them. Kate is not responsible for his weak character and his passivity--he brought that to their relationship and she exploited it.
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If you read the section in the book that details the divorce, you will realize how few options he had. Like one: to just go away.
He was responsible for the mess that was created. He was ALSO responsible for, eventually, putting a stop to it. And it is amazing that he was able to do so, when you really take a look at how much was against him. He couldn't even stop Kate from taking the kids out of state, he couldn't stop her from taking them out of the country.
CPS was called on the family, Jon was dealing with the court system. This is NOT giving him a pass, but what other option does he have? Kidnap eight kids, then get arrested?
It really is not as simple as it looks. What is in the book has blown me away. I had NO idea it was as bad as it was, re Kate's behavior, Discovery/TLC's grip on the kids.
It's criminal that a TV network trumped a father's rights.
heather
I chose to read ALL the posts here before finishing the book. I think I am a fast reader, but the book is a slow, dense effort for me. I am about 50% on my Kindle.
I have choked on some of the stories. She is VILE!
I have no power or authority over her, but I wish I did -- if only for one day.
I read Robert's reasons for epublishing, but frankly, with such dynamite material, and he did say some publishers were interested, why not go that route? At least he would have been legally protected. If a publisher says it cannot publish something because it's illegal or they are concerned about a lawsuit, then you cannot self-publish it and expect to get a pass. His book needed the hand of a good editor, too. It could have been a blockbuster not only about Kate but also about TLC's exploitation. It just frustrates me that here is everything you could possibly want on a golden platter, and poof! IMO, he should have worked in collaboration with a publisher and an established expose writer. It's been a good read, but I am afraid this is as far as it will go.
Kate has mentioned yoga before on twitter:
12/17/11-Ok so I wrapped, did yoga, ran for 40 min on treadmill and now I'm back to Christmas stuff... Oh my... Racing the clock!
12/17/11-yes just got some DVDs of yoga for runners... So will do for awhile and then blog about it of course! :)”
2/23/12-I do my pre run yoga-- it's stretches 2do b4 a run. It's amazing& she instructs u2 pause&go run..
6/16/12-I have P90X &screamed loudly at the man 4 2hours doing pylometrics.Yoga I love,jumping not so much!I WILL pray. Don't give up!
6/16/12-two hours of jumping ways I've never thought to try! I love the yoga. Who knew bending could be such hard work?”
She mentions she has P90X. From Wikipedia:
"P90X, or Power 90 Extreme, is a commercial home exercise regimen, known for its intensity. It is designed to take 90 days, and consists of a training program which uses cross-training (weight training, martial arts, yoga and calisthenics) and periodization, combined with a nutrition and dietary supplement plan."
Doesn't she always say that she doesn't work out-that running is her only form of excercise?
She said she had yoga DVD's. Her "class" consists of popping them in the DVR and maybe doing the exercises.
I've posted in the past as Sherri O, but I've been using "Knows Quality" more than I use my "real" name...so no worries about too many Sherry's...!
Ex Nurse, I agree with a lot of what you're saying here, but temper it with knowing that Jon eventually did come around.
Kate would film her kids in a heartbeat if anyone, ANYONE offered. She will never stop.
But, Jon did.
I thought the same thing when Jon went to France with Haley, when Jon whored himself and Haley out on every junk POS gossip show, had his whole entourage thing.
I mean, he was A HOT MESS!
I thought he was blotto during more than one of the final couch interviews. I mean, WTF is this?:
(paraphrasing)
"I got my NY home were I work, and then I come here to the country and I'm chill"
"I'm excited!"
I thought, yeah Jon, smoke another doob.
By all accounts, Jon is righting his life and most of all, Jon has said that he will bear the responsibility when he answers to his children.
Dmasy-Congratulations to your son!! Hope he also enjoyed exploring the castles. That was the favorite part of my trip there. The scenery in the highlands of Scotland is beautiful!
My daughter is revving up for the NYC marathon. Less than 5 weeks until the big day.
Ex-Nurse, thank you for your last comment. I couldn't agree more. I don't understand the people who make excuse after excuse for Jon, while attacking Kate's EVERYTHING.
Kate should be jailed for child abuse. But the nit-picking about petty details is insane.
Both parents are awful. Jon is simple, imo, the lesser of two evils.
The ad at the top of my page asks, "Do you know what skittling is?"
I've neveer heard of it, anyone know?
Maybe it's a new game with Skittles?
Just googled it:
We just learned about something called “skittling.” We understand that kids in our son’s class go to “skittling” parties where all the kids bring prescription drugs that they get out of their medicine cabinets and throw them into a candy dish and everyone picks out some to swallow. OMG!!
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Wow, this is really stupid and dangerous.
Moi said... 44
Ex-Nurse, thank you for your last comment. I couldn't agree more. I don't understand the people who make excuse after excuse for Jon, while attacking Kate's EVERYTHING.
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I'd love for someone with balls and complete disregard for the media comany that owns their ass and everyone else's to ask all the questions we want to ask of Kate... and Jon.
My sense is that Kate would spin, parse, bob, weave, deflect and invoke her motherhood of 8, count 'em 8 kids at every. single. turn.
My hope is that it is entirely possible that Jon would own his duplicity, subterfuge, hypocrisy, poor husband and man skills and fathering at times.
Since the book has been suspended due to legal issues, I'd like for Robert to reconsider the e-book format.
I'd retool the book, add the actual emails, copies of her 'journals', anything written in her own hand.
I'd slap all kinds of pics in there, (pic of the smoking gun, the thing she bought in Canada, with receipt.
I'd publish it with a mainstream publishing company.
I'd pay good money for that!
He says he published 10%of what he had...put the other 90%in there, and it would sell like crazy.
Kate is a Twit ~ She mentioned yoga before, but over this past weekend, she spoke in glowing terms about her "4th yoga class ever." So yeah...draw the conclusions that you will. :)
Love your candle icon, by the way.
Dmasy said... 38
I think I am a fast reader, but the book is a slow, dense effort for me. I am about 50% on my Kindle.
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I'm a super-fast reader, too, but this...ugh. I have to read and process it slowly.
I'm still trying to figure out why Steve and Kate had a studio queen room at Lanc Arts Hotel. It's in the city, not in a rural, secluded or tourist area, but downtown. It is a mile (about five minutes) from the school, straight down Harrisburg Pike, but why book a room in the hotel?
Yes, it's bothering me. I lost the place in the book where the e-mail is printed, and I forgot to check the date. Anyone have it? The e-mail is to Angela, something about Charleston.
Kates twitter silence tells me she has been in NY since monday. If the taping of the show is early wed I would love to be there. I have some rotten tomatoes ready to toss in the garbage. Better yet, throw them AT GARBAGE!!!
TLC stinks said... 39
I read Robert's reasons for epublishing, but frankly, with such dynamite material, and he did say some publishers were interested, why not go that route? At least he would have been legally protected. If a publisher says it cannot publish something because it's illegal or they are concerned about a lawsuit, then you cannot self-publish it and expect to get a pass.
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That was one of the main things that has bugged me about him and his book since the beginning. He said that he had a major publisher when J K were big news, but that parts of the book didn't pass legal and he refused to pull them out. Fine, okay, that's his prerogative. But why in the heck did he think that those parts would suddenly be fine and dandy a year or two later? And why did he go into all of this with no legal rep or opinion? Duh.
With a good editor, Robert's book would be sensational.
But the information needed to get out, and I think he did his best.
Thank you, Robert.
There has been a report on another blog that Discovery is suing because their contracts were printed in the book. Has a suit been filed, and where has this been reported? Or is it just one of those rumors floating around by someone who didn't understand that all Discovery did was send a cease and desist letter?
MoreBS said... 23
Before Robert's book was pulled from Amazon, I thought I saw that it had reached #2 on both the Kindle and Books bestseller lists in the Entertainment category. I even clicked on a link that brought me to a page showing that. Can anyone confirm that? Robert?
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I posted this here on Friday:
"The book is up to #175 at the Kindle Store of paid books.
With the amount of books Kindle offers, a lot of people are buying this book. I wish the page would also show how many were downloaded through Amazon Prime."
September 28, 2012 5:20 PM
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At that time, the book was #2 in KindleStore in both the catergories of Entertainment and Biography.
So it would seem that the book was selling quite well.
Tucker's Mom said... 47
Moi said... 44
Ex-Nurse, thank you for your last comment. I couldn't agree more. I don't understand the people who make excuse after excuse for Jon, while attacking Kate's EVERYTHING.
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I'd love for someone with balls and complete disregard for the media comany that owns their ass and everyone else's to ask all the questions we want to ask of Kate... and Jon.
My sense is that Kate would spin, parse, bob, weave, deflect and invoke her motherhood of 8, count 'em 8 kids at every. single. turn.
My hope is that it is entirely possible that Jon would own his duplicity, subterfuge, hypocrisy, poor husband and man skills and fathering at times.
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Haha . . . I agree with you about Jon. I don't think he can lie well at all. Kate probably has him hog tied up in the garage apartment as we speak. That's probably where the missing purse boy is. Guarding Jon.
Marie
If Robert has 90 percent more on Kate, I wonder if he's done any sleuthing to find out if Milo is a man, a woman, or an it, and if he/she/it is one of Kate's paid lackeys. I'd love to know...
Jon had a thousand and one chances to help and protect his kids. And a lot of them were before the separation/divorce. He may be the lesser evil, but he's still the evil. Both of them were ,and in many ways still are, way too immature and just plain screwed up to be parents. All too often it seems the only chance those kids have is Aunt Jodi, Ashley, and their school. But even with all 3 working together doing their darndest they are still going to have a very tough road to plow. The next generation of Gosselin kids will as well.
I think I'm in ch9, and it's vomit worthy!
2007 discovery 1099 misc
ADJUSTED gross income $109,186.90
2008 ADJUSTED gross income $1,954,414. She emails the end of that month for FREE gymboree clothes for the kids, and free ski clothes for one of the twins. With an ADJUSTED income of almost 2mil.!
She almost went for the free boob surgery, "I hve just been obsessed with my saggy baggies!!!!!"
but, for whatever reason, she decided not to have it filmed. for free.
Ann Taylor clothes "I want that supply to keep coming" "spend AT LEAST 500 a week there!"
"I need a card refill!"
free makeup...."I'm so so so low on supply".
omg, this woman's greed knows no limits.
I have to take a break. ugh
Ex Nurse said... 34
''I challenge any one here to address Jon's behavior without using the worn-out phrase "Jon couldn't do xxxxx because Kate would/wouldn't do yyyyy.''
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I believe that Kate's worst abuse wasn't done in Jon's presence. I also believe that Jon hadn't experienced the sort of abuse that Kate was doing to his children, so he really didn't conceive that it was as bad as it was. (Think of all the people that are shocked, SHOCKED I tell you, when a neighbor or co-worker is exposed as a serial killer, or pedophile, or has beaten a child to death. Think of those of us on this blog, who were convinced she was abusing those kids, and how shocked we were to see in her own words exactly how violent she was with the babies!)
I also believe that Kate had gaslighted/abused Jon to the point that she convinced him that it was somehow HIS fault. (Think of all the abused women/children who are told ''see what you made me do'') Kate's mantra was ''you don't know how to help me'' or ''you're either with me, or you're against me''.
I believe that eventually Jon thought that his presence was exacerbating Kate's anger, therefore if he left, much of her anger would dissipate. Added to all that, TLC/Discovery unleashed the hounds of Hell on him, so he was dealing with a LOT all at the same time.
Jon stopped the children from being filmed. Jon apologized in a very public statement, and I admire him for finally realizing and admitting his part of the entire mess.
Now I've had my say in my response, and I don't intend to get into a tit for tat discussion with you. So, have the last word if you like. Oh wait....one more thing. From this moment on, I will never use Jon and the children's last name for Kate. She will forever be Kate Keider, or KK for me. Now I'm done.
Realest reality show is busted several times in the book.
SPOILER: Here is a quote from one of Kate's emails to the producers, "Hi - overall good hour, but there's a few things...First, there's a little too much crying in the hair braiding scene...
I really don't want all the nasty emails about it!
Next, in the cake decorating scene where I am referring to Collin wanting to help, Joel is shown!!!!
Also, the way I am shown sending him away (what I am saying) is not good...Could we cut that out please?" She then goes on to complain about the music used.
This is just a small example of her control over the episodes.
After you read so many of the emails, you get to "feel" her attitude.
Imperious. (I like that word.)
Surely, Jon didn't sign a CA? He was part of the show, right? Did they have to sign CA's to protect the show against themselves?
Marie
Does anyone else think that, when the legal hurdles are overcome and I believe they will be, the major publisher that Mr. Hoffman has mentioned as being interested might be interested in publishing in paper form of course.
I think the book needs some polishing with the help of an editor, without attacking the integrity of the author.
It has already received publicity and that will no doubt increase when the legal matters are resolved.
I think containing as it does all this explosive material, in her own words, it would sell very well in paper form.
bm
Radar Online has a new article up. Apparently Robert has threatened to release more of his information (if need be). Also, it says Jon helped him get the computer hard drive.
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/10/kate-gosselin-book-jon-pal-threatens-release-damaging-information-photos
Re: the black Christmas poem written by a twin.
I'm not seeing that as dark or disturbing at all. I see it as a tween's fun attempt at turning a song inside out to become an "opposite".
I'm dreaming of a white Christmas/I'm hoping for a black Christmas
Just like the ones I used to know/Just like the ones I'd rather forget
Where the treetops glisten/where the bush bottoms glisten
And children listen/and adults ignore
Etc. Etc. Etc.
Just a game of making White Christmas into the opposite. I see nothing wrong with it.
She could just as easily done it with Here Comes Santa Claus/There goes Antartic Andy.....
I'm off work today due to a lung infection so I've been trying to catch up on reading the posts on this page.
First of all, congrats to you butterfly for completing the marathon! Also, congrats to your son, Dmasy, on his marathon in Scotland! Both are awesome achievements. At one point, I was on the fence about whether Kate finished the LV marathon on her own or not. Now I am in the camp that she didn't. There's just too much info from real people that ran marathons and it just doesn't add up to how Kate was afterward, expecially wearing the hig heels that same day (o the next day).
Also, I also do not sell items I no longer have use for. I give them away. My theory, like everyone else's, is that I have been so blessed, and if I can help someone else in need, then it is the right thing to do. The items are always in good condition, but if no wants or needs my old clothes, etc., then I donate them to Red Cross or the resale shop that is very close to my home. Not on consignment, though; I give them as donations.
I, too, would like to see a new thread about other chapters in the book since I cannot read the book myself. Thanks again, everyone, for keeping me informed of what is in the book. The more I learn, the more vile I believe Kate is. As low as my opinion was of her, I was still shocked by some of the things in the book, especially the abuse of the tups when they were toddlers.
The Steve studio email...
"Re: Charleston Jan 12-17
Angela.Sxxxxx@zondervan.com
Hi Angela--just wondering about next week....Very excited to get started!
Will the hotel have a conference room where we will write?
I just want Steve to be able to check in and out or hang there if he chooses without feeling uncomfortable.....(thinking of our studio at Lanc arts). I know he won't need to be there while we are actually working, but he does tend to check in periodically....
Just a thought....I have all my recipes ready. Just need to go through my pictures cause I can't take my rubbermaid tubs on the plane with me.....:)
Kate
Sent from my (formerly) PINK iphone"
I don't know how to get the location on a Kindle, but it's from the "In Steve we Trust" chapter, close to the beginning/middle.
It was mentioned here that Collin was covering his face from paps because he was getting slapped if he made eye contact? Can someone with the book fill me in on that? And was the plaster on his hand explained?
Fair enough - I will try to reserve my judgment re Beth Carson, and those involved in filming the show, on whether they made efforts to help get those children out of a horrific situation. I do know that it's hugely difficult to prove allegations of child abuse - much more difficult than to get Animal Control to rescue an animal! (What does that say about our society? Nothing good.)
I think Kate's fans must also suffer from some sort of mental limitations - whether it be CJ who seems mentally unstable, to others who seem unbelievably naive for their age. They don't really concern me. The reason that Kate has lasted so long in the public eye is not due to those misguided individuals. It's because she is a creation of and was once owned by Discovery, who apparently runs the show. As someone else posted earlier, they own Radar Online, TMZ, and possibly People Magazine, they control NBC and numerous other media outlets. They are controlling what we are allowed to see, they control what the hosts on various shows are allowed to say, they hold most of the cards. One possible way to sidetrack Discovery is by turning off your television set, or switching the channel. Another way is to write to advertisers on these shows and boycott their products. Politely explain why you are offended by the promotion of Kate Gosselin as anything but a mentally ill, abusive, lying woman. Tell them that you cannot condone child abuse, which means that you can't buy their products as long as they remain aligned with anyone supporter of a child abuser. If advertisers get enough mail from consumers, they will feel the heat.
Don't feel it's an unproductive battle. I hesitate to bring this up - as I don't wish to start any fights - but Rush Limbaugh wielded a lot of clout in the radio industry. Then he went too far and spent days maligning a woman named Sandra Fluke. It was beyond the pale, it was vile and disgusting. And finally enough people noticed and became extremely upset. They wrote to station owners, they wrote to advertisers, they made a huge stink. And while Clear Channel won't ever admit it -- it has made a huge impact. Advertisers have demanded that their ads be pulled from Rush Limbaugh's show and placed elsewhere. They are not returning. I cite this as an example of what the general public can do, even when you feel the cards are stacked against you. If enough people speak out against Kate Gosselin, but complaining to advertisers and demanding they pull their advertising from anything remotely related to Gosselin - they will listen. They are about the only thing Discovery doesn't own.
Hey Discovery - so your trade secret is you protect and financially support child abusers? No wonder you want to keep that secret!
Tamara - Jon was getting along with some of the paps, talking to them, etc. Collin liked some of them too and would wave and say hi to them when he was with Jon.
Enter the bitch of the millenium and little Collin made the mistake of waving and saying hi and bam, he got bitch slapped by the bitch, ergo he doesn't dare say hi to the evil paps around her anymore.
Mixed signals or what?
Those kids are minds are f*cked having that beast for a mother.
LoveMyGrandsons.. Reading it is an experience.
Every lifted story or phrase from the book seems so PALE when repeated...it is the totality of the information. A few sentences just can't capture the over-whelming bleakness.
The book just "beats you up" with the meanness, the demands, the rude behavior and the sadness for the children.
What IS it with ROL! Ugh!
"If the legal battle progresses it is likely that Jon will be brought into it as well. Hoffman told Radar that his friend DID help him obtain the computer hard drives from the trash.
“Regarding Jon, as stated clearly in the book, he had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO with personally giving me any information whatsoever for the book,” Hoffman wrote to Radar."
This is from the VP guy. Does he even READ what he WRITES???!!! Where have all the journalists gone?
I didn't know it was called "skittling" but I remember that Saving Grace (a tv show starring Holly Hunter) did an episode that featured just that very thing. So it's not really new. The main thing I try to instill in my son is "be smart!" Don't take unnecessary risks and think you won't face any consequences.
I have always wanted to be in control of my own destiny - so I don't understand the concept of playing what amounts to Russian Roulette with prescription drugs.
fidosmommy said... 65
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That's an interesting take on the Black Christmas poem/lyrics. My gut tells me that is was a cry for help done in snarky form.
The part about adults ignoring particularly rings true for Kate, as she's known for tweeting prolifically when the kids are home.
Only the twin can say, really.
Someone needs to help Robert. He is playing this out the wrong way. The ROL story sounds like a threat. He shouldn't be threatening. That's not how a professional handles things. He is looking crazy. He has got to be under a lot of stress. I don't know him but I sure hope someone reaches out to him to help him before he is in trouble with the police. He is seriously starting to step over the line.
People are going to start forgetting about what Kate has done and just focus on how crazy Robert is acting.
Re: the black Christmas poem written by a twin.
I'm not seeing that as dark or disturbing at all. I see it as a tween's fun attempt at turning a song inside out to become an "opposite".
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I guess because we've confirmed the misery that exists under Kate's rule, that's why I can see the darkness in the poem. I put it into the context of that twin's life, knowing that the bad times far outweigh any good times. If I believed their existence was mostly carefree, then I'd be more inclined to see it as a carefree expression of fun. But only the twin who wrote the poem knows what she intended - and we the reader are welcome to make any interpretation we wish.
Parent, Kindle has a search feature. That's how I found the Black Xmas poem.
The weirdest thing about Kate and Steve are the emails to Gina...
From sixymomma@comcast.net
To gina_nxxxx
Subject nana and lance
Date Jan 1, 2009
"Hey--I am so full of thinking already today...I am looking at my calendar and trying to schedule things that I want to schedule before production takes over on Monday...
Why don't we have a farewell party for your parents on Sunday Feb 8 (we can find a different date that would work too)...we could do a 'surprise' (or not) and invite some of your/their friends (up to you) and do a big thing...I will totally behave on this occasion! J
No more drinking...I have drank my fill for a long while...It's my New years resolution...no more drinking! J
Let me know what you think...it will be fun! Just wanted to throw that out there...I could even get Katherine to make the food so we don't have to...
Ok, off to get work done...
Kate
Oh man don't tempt me!!!!...But you know my new years resolution....
I wonder how long that will last?!
:)
Sent from my (formerly) PINK iphone
On Jan 1, 2009...Gina...wrote:
I had your chocolate Martini waiting.....
We had a fun night, just waking up now and discussing breakfast options.
Can't believe 2009 is here, was just getting used to 2008!
G
Or old geezer and dragon--that would fix it all!
:) Pippa--cute! Got it, will do!
Actually ate yesterday....And not planning to eat much on Sunday....So darn yummy! Just drinking...Lightly!
We tried out our pom martini recipe last night...It's perfection!
See you soon! Have The Price Is Right for thw Wii. Will have to try it!
Kate
Sent from my PINK iphone"
.....
Friday Dec 26, 2008 from Kate to Gina
"Subject: Quick question....
Not a prob! Whatever date works for you will be good for us....But if we can't find a date, that will have to be!
....Still not sleeping...Just listening to my music and still can't get over those delish choc martinis--oh baby, keep those away from me! :) Thanks again for everything!
Kate
Sent from my PINK iphone
On Dec 28, 2008...Gina...wrote:
Hey chick,
Thanks again for today, once again we had a great time. Will get back to you about the date for Mum and Dad, but to be honest I really don't think that weekend before they leave is going to work out. Hope you have a good sleep.
Talk soon.
Love G"
It's so weird!
Someone needs to help Robert. He is playing this out the wrong way. The ROL story sounds like a threat. He shouldn't be threatening. That's not how a professional handles things. He is looking crazy. He has got to be under a lot of stress. I don't know him but I sure hope someone reaches out to him to help him before he is in trouble with the police. He is seriously starting to step over the line.
People are going to start forgetting about what Kate has done and just focus on how crazy Robert is acting.
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He is not threatening. He is just letting them know that if it goes to court, they will have to deal with additional material that will be revealed during discovery. He's not saying he's publishing or releasing anything else. How would he "be in trouble with the police?" For talking to a tabloid? Then get the cuffs out, because the police are coming for Kate's people too.
Basically, the book's just the tip of the iceberg. And they should know that.
Robert has thought through this whole ordeal. I am pretty confident he knows exactly what he is doing.
heather
Formerly Duped....155
Re; Beth. My point was she nominate Kate for Mother of the Year in some contest, and sung her praises AFTER working on the book, seeing the journals and also seeing her treatment of Jon. Maybe she did something but it seems hypocritical to toot Kate's horn if she was aware of abuse- hard to believe of Beth but who knows.She saw Kate from the time the babies were born as a volunteer and then they became friends- she must have seen Kate's treatment of the volunteers as well as the kids a bit later on. Of course I have no facts, just seems that she must have read those journals or had some idea of Kate's true nature.
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I'm sure she must have known something. Do you remember in the RV trip when Ashley said she couldn't take one more minute with her? She, Ashley, started to cry and said she took five years of her bad treatment.
I also remember Ashley say that the kids had such a ridged schedule that she wanted to give them a little fun. I think it was when Kate and Jamie went to NY for Kate's bday. I think there could have been a secret meaning to the comment Ashley made. If Beth didn't see anything I'm pretty sure Ashley would have shared what she saw with her mother.
After watching those youtube clips I posted up thread about Andrea Yates, Susan Smith, and then what I saw happen with my own niece's abuse to her children, it just doesn't make any sense why cps doesn't do anything. Maybe it should be the politician we should be bombarding with all this evidence.
Remona Blue said...
I believe that Kate's worst abuse wasn't done in Jon's presence.
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I agree and said the same thing several threads
ago. Jon was working at a job around the time of these toddler stories. He was gone when Kate got out of bed and didn't come home until dinner.
The only thing, though, is if Jon was the one who bathed and changed the children, would he not see bruises? I know, I know, bruises can too easily be explained away with active small children.
Also, a few years back many of us were staring at a picture of the kids out in their front yard. One of the kids seemed to have large dark marks on her back. It was decided it was nothing more than shadows from the tree....I hope that really was it.
Just sick! A woman was on Anderson and was thrown in jail for letting her kids play outside unchaperoned! CPS gets who knows how many calls (2 we know of-RH) and the abuse goes on for years!
I think there could have been a secret meaning to the comment Ashley made.
Opp's, just my opinion not fact. Sorry.
I was a little disappointed that the book had been pulled before I could get a chance to download it (once I figured out how).
But after reading everyone's comments, I'm not sure anymore that I want to. I mean, it would be nice to have my instincts and assumptions about what was going on in the Gosselin household validated. On the other hand, I'm not so sure my emotional heart can take it.
Those poor, poor babies. What a nightmare life they've had to endure and they're only 8 years old.
I want to barf, cry and beat the shit out of Kate all at the same time.
Dammit, she knew she was out of control and instead of getting help for the sake of her children, she hid it just to keep making money.
What a wretched excuse for a human being.
I gotta go hug my kids.
The ROL article is spinning it that Robert is making threats.
"In an email interview, Hoffman first said he would not publish the information but then detailed how he would make it public.
“The other 90 percent of the material that I possess will not be published, ever, but you can be sure that if I'm falsely accused of anything and drug (sic) into court, or called a liar by Kate Gosselin or her lawyers, this information will come out then, including photographs,” Hoffman wrote to Radar."
My take on it is that Robert is saying that if this becomes a court case, that he has more evidence to back up what he has published so far. I don't take that as a threat, but ROL is making it seem that way.
And if it does go to court, will this other info he has automatically be made public? I would think Kate's camp would want that information sealed.
As mamaK in comment#72 showed, the ROL article even contradicts itself.
anonymous (Heather) at 79 ~ That's how I read it, too.
I also found interesting this passage from that ROL article. It summarizes the book quite nicely...a teaser, so to speak, w/o going into specifics.
"Jon has remained publicly silent on the book and its allegations, many of which are well known, including Kate’s freebie-grabbing mania, her boorish and ugly behavior to many and her endless thirst for fame."
"But it is Hoffman’s charges about Kate’s interaction with her children that are most damaging. Asked by Radar when Jon knew that Hoffman possessed his material and what his reaction was to the charges, Hoffman did not answer directly."
Still reading the book. Glad everyone's hanging around, 'cause when I come to yet another dark passage, I find myself wishing there were someone here to hold my hand.
*heads off to light another candle*
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=15
My take on Jon's involvement is that he did not personallly hand stuff to RH but he may have said hey, the bitch through out all my stuff and get's what's in the trash? And in the heat of a divorce with a crazy woman doing crazy crap like that I can't really blame him. But I wonder if he got wind of or if RH told him that he was using that info now to write this book, Jon felt bad about it, and hence the "good mom" comments. Just a theory.
"In an email interview, Hoffman first said he would not publish the information but then detailed how he would make it public.
“The other 90 percent of the material that I possess will not be published, ever, but you can be sure that if I'm falsely accused of anything and drug (sic) into court, or called a liar by Kate Gosselin or her lawyers, this information will come out then, including photographs,” Hoffman wrote to Radar."
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I think he's saying here he doesn't plan to publish it ever, but if he's sued this other information will have to be used in court to defend himself.
Help4Robert said... 75
''Someone needs to help Robert. He is playing this out the wrong way. The ROL story sounds like a threat. He shouldn't be threatening. That's not how a professional handles things. He is looking crazy. He has got to be under a lot of stress. I don't know him but I sure hope someone reaches out to him to help him before he is in trouble with the police. He is seriously starting to step over the line.
People are going to start forgetting about what Kate has done and just focus on how crazy Robert is acting.''
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Oh I can't tell you how much I agree! Robert is doing this all wrong. Robert is acting crazy. I agree that someone should help Robert before he is arrested for picking up the trash...just think of all the times he has picked up Kate's trash over the years, and got away with it!! I agree that if Robert doesn't shut up, people are going to forget Kate picking up the baby by the hair and hitting him as hard as she could. Cripes...he really needs to shut up...I agree!!
What about Robert being so clever that he doesn't remind people that ROL is owned by Discovery? How bad is that???
Kate is a twit 85
I agree with you completely. ROL is spinning it.
Ex-Nurse~
I've been very open all along about my support for Jon.
From my perspective.....I do believe that Kate duped him when it came to her engineering the birth of sextuplets and that he was somewhat alarmed to find himself the father of 8 almost overnight....and that he went along with her plans initially......but then changed his mind down the road due to several things.....including the effects on his marriage, his children, etc.
I do believe that it was Kate who was cheating and who ended the marriage and that Jon probably was drinking too much at the point where he'd been given his leave papers by her and TLC/Discovery were totally protecting Kate and throwing their huge resources behind her and threatening to practically bankrupt him.
Here was a man going through a divorce from a child-abusing harridan who had the power, wealth and influence of a huge corporation behind her....a corporation that was threatening to bankrupt him via the courts, dealing with custody issues over 8 children and he was losing all the way around, had his name and reputation slandered (libeled?) all over the press and internet and all sorts of horrible accusations were being thrown at him all over the internet and magazine covers.
I believe that during that period of time, he was probably drinking more than he should have and made some serious mistakes but all things considered, I can understand...even though I might not have agreed with everything he did...how these things happened. I cannot even imagine what I might have done if I'd found myself in his horrific situation.
To me....divorce must be a horrible thing to go through...especially when there are children involved. And to have to go through it when you are going up against the massive power of a corporation supporting and protecting your spouse....I can't even imagine.
As a mother, I cannot even imagine what it must have been like to have to bring your little children back to your ex while they scream in terror and you know she physically abuses them....and you've run into one brick wall after another in the courts trying to change that. I can't even imagine. He's probably a better person than me.
I've experienced getting upset when I take something personally that someone writes about me on the internet (message boards, blogs, etc.).....and it's only happened a handful of times over the past decade. This guy had to endure having his name dragged through the mud, accused of not paying his child support when he was paying $22,000 every month, having his ex go on TV and throw him under the bus repeatedly..................and except for a very few times (and even then, he usually refused to discuss the mother of his children)....he has basically kept his mouth shut. I can't even imagine having to endure that....for years.
So many seem to not comprehend how DIFFICULT it is to get results from CPS and from family court in situations like this.....and in his situation, it was a million times worse....with Kate insulated and protected by a huge corporation. People assume that just because they didn't see immediate results, that he hasn't been desperately trying for years to help his children. They assume that just because the courts didn't order Kate arrested and the kids handed over to Jon, that he was doing nothing. I will never believe this unless shown concrete proof that I'm incorrect.
-----have to split this into 2 parts.
It's not a threat, it's just discovery. Everything will come out in discovery, which is just how it goes.
Part 2....
And to even compare Jon to Kate?? For me, there is just NO comparison. Yes, he's somewhat passive-aggressive and yes, he made some mistakes but to even compare him to Kate? These kids have 2 parents....and every photo shows the contrast in how they feel about each of them. Jon, IMO, is SUCH a better parent and is SO much better for these children....that whatever mistakes he made....I excuse.
I cannot even imagine having to go through what he was. I don't even know if I could have dealt with it as well as he did. I am TEAM JON all the way. He is so much of a better person and a better parent than she is that what mistakes he made years ago just don't affect my support for him. I've made plenty of bad decisions myself during my life even though my intentions were good. I'm human.
And that's my opinion and I'm stickin' with it. :)
mscatie said... 88 I think he's saying here he doesn't plan to publish it ever, but if he's sued this other information will have to be used in court to defend himself.
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Yes, I totally agree. ROL turned it into a sensational headline grabber. People see that in print and believe it.
If they want to push it, he has 90%more damning information.
Does she REALLY want to go there? really???
I hope she does....
anything retrieved from the trash is considered fair game, it no longer belongs to you.
Kate, why don't you promote paper shredders? of course, it would have to be a stainless top of the line commercial one, of course!
localyocul said... 87
My take on Jon's involvement is that he did not personallly hand stuff to RH but he may have said hey, the bitch through out all my stuff and get's what's in the trash? And in the heat of a divorce with a crazy woman doing crazy crap like that I can't really blame him.
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That was my take on this too. Although since Jon was pretty much banned from the property, he might not have known what got trashed but just wanted his stuff back & asked Robert to get it for him.
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"Kate’s journal was found by me while combing through documents and computer discs and files that she threw in the trash, the day after she threw Jon out of the apartment above the garage for good."
Hoffman, Robert (2012-09-27). KATE GOSSELIN: HOW SHE FOOLED THE WORLD (Kindle Locations 24058-24060). . Kindle Edition.
David Perel (ROL) is not (repeat: NOT) a good writer, but he's great at spinning stories both ways, so as to make both sides happy. How do you draw more eyes to the page? Either through internal inconsistencies or with separete articles, competing messages.
UGH. No mistaking him for a true journalist, now is there?
njay said...
[excerpt]
I'm sure she must have known something. Do you remember in the RV trip when Ashley said she couldn't take one more minute with her? She, Ashley, started to cry and said she took five years of her bad treatment.
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Kate had the nerve to say that was the first time she & Ashley ever argued.
Kate has no shame.
Dmasy:
If that braid/flag cake epi was 'cleaned up,' then it must have been awful! I thought the girls were in a lot of pain from those cornrows- they had such thin hair and probably tender scalps...and Joel...what was aired was mean, rude and bullying.I felt so sorry for him. I remember the girls were bribed with lollipops as reported was standard on the filming days.
So Kate got to preview these shows? I'm sure she once said they didn't see them till they were aired?
Does anyone know if a commercial meat slicer can be used as a paper shredder?
I'm no lawyer but I think that if what ROL wrote is true....regarding Mr. Hoffman saying he'll pull out the other 90% documentation he has....I think it's great. Hell....all these attorneys are sending him cease & desist letters....why shouldn't he fight back? He's basically saying "don't F with me"....good for him!
I LUVS me a man who stands up for himself. GO Robert! :D
And the stuff thrown out in the trash....absolutely NOTHING illegal about taking it. I don't understand why anyone thinks there is anything remotely criminal about this.
So Kate got to preview these shows? I'm sure she once said they didn't see them till they were aired?
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I think she said that, too. Well, Kate proves true the line about liars...If her lips are moving, she's lying.
With this book coming out, the mainstream media tide will slowly turn....I think she's toast.
I meant to say that DP is not IMO a good writer. You may feel differently, depending on the location of the pew where you sit, or the position he's taking at the moment).
And may I just add: What in the heck is up with that picture of Kate on ROL? Is that supposed to illustrate the article itself or convey a different message altogether!??
There is nothing illegal about going through trash. You could go take your neighbor's right now.
I think Kate has been all over the map about her role depending on whether she is trying to evade responsibility. She's said she and Jon had control over what they aired and that she was a producer, but I remember other times she's minimized any control she had. Personally I wouldn't sign anything in which I didn't have control of what was aired of my own family, that's just idiotic.
I think there could have been a secret meaning to the comment Ashley made. If Beth didn't see anything I'm pretty sure Ashley would have shared what she saw with her mother.
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What does Ashley's mum have to do with Beth?
Hi all, been lurking lately. Have the book, read it. Im writing on my nook so pls excusevthe typis and lack of punctuation. Just saw in 6abc a promo for kate on katie couric tomorrow. I am beyond pissed at NO MENTION of the book OR THE CHILD ABUSE and KCs lighthearted attitude about how the she thinks the public is interested in kate and the kids. Uh no Katie I'm interested in ehy you and the rest of the media is giving a pass to a self-admitted child abusing famewhore.
Next, in the cake decorating scene where I am referring to Collin wanting to help, Joel is shown!!!!
Also, the way I am shown sending him away (what I am saying) is not good...Could we cut that out please?"
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Would that be the beach/4 July episode with the flag cake? Interesting that TLC didn't swiffer how cruel she was in telling one of the boys he couldn't help with the cake, even though she asked them to. She even said please!!!
Just my 2 cents, having been the abused in an abusive marriage, unless you've actually gone through it, as bright and understanding and educated and experienced as you may be, you cannot feel what that person felt. I'll start with hopeless, worthless and alone despite a loving family and leave it at that.
If in addition I had had a major corporation threatening and suing me and dictating the terms of my life, the ONLY thing that would have kept me going at all would be concerns for my children. Self medicating under the circumstances? More than likely. Stupid moves? Highly likely. Getting my shit together? Who knows. But Jon did.
Someone upthread mentioned guessing at K8's answers in the KC interview. I have a few:
"Ummm . . . honestly we never knew the cameras were there."
"Ummm . . . honestly my kids miss the crew" or "Ummm . . . honestly my kids miss their crew daddies"
"Ummm . . . honestly we had great trips and adventures that we never would have had otherwise."
"Ummm . . . honestly my kids are doing great but they miss the show."
I so hope KC asks her about the non-existent dating show that she is shopping around.
I think ROL is just working this story for all it's worth. They're painting Robert and Jon in a bad light, but not exactly defending Kate.
"The most incendiary allegations cannot be repeated on Radar as they lack independent corroboration, but they paint her as violent toward her children and offer shocking and disturbing “quotes” from her journal."
They're saying "We can't be specific--but here's the gist of it".
Plus the picture included with this story is very unflattering to Kate.
By the way, the first story they had which included excerpts from the book, is still on their website.
They're playing both sides against each other. Isn't that what most rag mags do?
Is the media conglomerate that does the Couric show somehow in ownership with TLC/Discovery? I wouldn't be surprised.....
everybody linked to tlc/discovery has to play nice in the sandbox. I bet most are trying not to bite their tongues off.
Just goes to show you, if a tv show won't call out Kate on her bullshi*, then that show and it's employees are protecting their own paycheck.
Yesterday was flipping channels, there's a show called The Talk (dont remember the channel, time,etc)but it was just starting, so I wondered if they would talk about Kate...instead they talked about Arnold Swar..(don't know how to spell his name,lol)...I thought, well, someone associated with THAT show has ties to tlc/discovery....
Even if mainstream won't address it, PEOPLE KNOW what she's done, and what a bitch she is. No reputable company is going to want this witch to promote their product. She has a stench on her that can't ever be removed.
aggiemom09121416 said... 102
So Kate got to preview these shows? I'm sure she once said they didn't see them till they were aired?
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I think she said that, too. Well, Kate proves true the line about liars...If her lips are moving, she's lying.
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If Kate's tongue were notarized, she'd be lying.
Tucker's Mom said... 112
If Kate's tongue were notarized, she'd be lying.
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hahahahahahahahha! hilarious!
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Not a mother, just played one on tv said... 108
Just my 2 cents, having been the abused in an abusive marriage, unless you've actually gone through it, as bright and understanding and educated and experienced as you may be, you cannot feel what that person felt. I'll start with hopeless, worthless and alone despite a loving family and leave it at that.
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Echo hopeless and worthless. There's nothing left within you that can even begin to imagine that you CAN turn the tide, let alone DO IT!
It takes one to know one, and when I saw Jon in the kitchen renovation planning episode, I didn't need to see anything else.
Tucker's Mom said... 112
If Kate's tongue were notarized, she'd be lying.
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Bwahahaha!
If she were to swear on a stack of Bibles, she'd be bearing false witness.
(Which is why I predict this will never go to court.)
It always made me shake my head when she says they miss the crew. I'm sorry, is there a reason you can't invite someone over for dinner your kids miss? Then they won't miss the crew, problem solved.
Not a mother, just played one on tv said... 108
Just my 2 cents, having been the abused in an abusive marriage, unless you've actually gone through it, as bright and understanding and educated and experienced as you may be, you cannot feel what that person felt. I'll start with hopeless, worthless and alone despite a loving family and leave it at that.
If in addition I had had a major corporation threatening and suing me and dictating the terms of my life, the ONLY thing that would have kept me going at all would be concerns for my children. Self medicating under the circumstances? More than likely. Stupid moves? Highly likely. Getting my shit together? Who knows. But Jon did.
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THANK YOU, THANK YOU.
I do think he did make a few stupid mistakes (getting caught on camera with various women, etc.), although to be fair, Kate HAD tossed him out by then.....but in the big scheme of things, I can totally understand.
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Regarding the Katie Couric show....it's apparently a pre-determined topic to be discussed and Kate G. will only be one of a group of reality TV stars discussing the topic.
I would not expect questions about a different subject to be aimed specifically at Kate G.
And with the book not available and involved in legal wrangling right now....I wouldn't even expect it to be brought up even if K. Couric was having a one on one interview with Kate G.
My prediction: Kate doesn't do well when on a group panel of guests. She's usually out-shone by other more outspoken guests. She does not do well when talking about anything besides herself and her own situation and is not comfortable when she's one of a group of guests being interviewed together.
I think she'll do just how she's done in the past when on a group panel of guests......maybe murmur a few things.....and those things will be strictly about herself and her own situation....and she'll have no ability to discuss the topic from a wide perspective.
I mean....this is exactly WHY we all predicted she'd never get hired for any type of interviewing show (like The View, etc.).....she just doesn't do well on them. She can't talk about anything but herself....even even that...she doesn't do well at.
I not only don't think anything regarding the book will be asked but I wouldn't expect it to...after reading what type of interview it's going to be.
f she were to swear on a stack of Bibles, she'd be bearing false witness.
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She'd probably burst into flames
My prediction: Kate doesn't do well when on a group panel of guests. She's usually out-shone by other more outspoken guests. She does not do well when talking about anything besides herself and her own situation and is not comfortable when she's one of a group of guests being interviewed together.
I think she'll do just how she's done in the past when on a group panel of guests......maybe murmur a few things.....and those things will be strictly about herself and her own situation....and she'll have no ability to discuss the topic from a wide perspective.
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Can you imagine BEING Kate, sitting with the panel and Katie Couric? Knowing that they 'know' all about the book...I don't know how she is able to crawl out from underneath her rock and show her face.
Yep, Kate, everywhere you go...people are going to point at you, whisper about you...well, you wanted to be famous. You got it. You had 8, count'em, 8 kids, and you got caught abusing them...by your own words.
congratulations.
Thank you Not a Mother, Just Played One for your insightful comments. I too feel that Jon was both verbally and physically abused as a spouse. What people don't understand about abuse is that it starts off very slowly, first with verbal "jokes" and pointed remarks. If the other person is offended, the abuser turns it on them, "I was just joking, can't you take a joke?" and backs off momentarily. But then again with the put downs, then it escalates from there. Notice also that Kate cut Jon off from family and friends, classic abuser behavior.
The best thing that ever happened to Jon (aside from his children) was Kate's massive ego and attraction to Nield.
I met a lady years ago, when we were both waitressing. She had left a corporate job that paid extremely well in order to escape, literally, from an abusive relationship. She threw some clothes in the car, grabbed her kid, and left her own home (the abuser lived there with her, but it was her home), and took off to parts unknown to him. She let the home be foreclosed upon, and lost everything. But she saved herself and her kid. Thankfully, the abuser was not the child's father.
This is why I cut Jon slack. I actually think he's done amazingly well, considering all the shenanigans dumped on him via TLC, Discovery and Kate. Despite their very best efforts, they could not break him.
Can you imagine BEING Kate, sitting with the panel and Katie Couric? 119
I can't imagine being Kate, period.
And you have to remember that Robert WORKED for a rag mag for what, two years?
He knows how the game is played.
heather
I wish beyond anything that someone could convince Abby Lee (from Dance Moms) to bring up RH's book right before they go out to film their segment.
PLEASE GOD! Let her do that. It would be hilarious to watch. Kate would either not film, or she'd shut up the whole time.
If not...I'm starting an "umm" count
Kate's "Umms and Uhs" will equal 15 through the segment.
I never saw or read the blog on TLC for the Jon and Kate show. Was it better than Kate's personal blog? If it was heart-warming, someone else did the writing.
SPOILER: (during renegotiating the Gosselin contract) Julie May says to Discovery, "....for blog, Ed (Savin, TLC COO) had mentioned that TLC would have a ghost writer or someone prepare, with Kate/Jon to approve. Jim, do you have details to propose for consideration? Would need to either pay Kate to write it (and honestly, she really doesn't have the time right now -- though if you'd like to propose a fee, I can see what we can do) ....
Katie Couric was the interviewer who made mincemeat pie out of Sarah Palin, right? (What books/newspapers have you recently read?)
Given the chance I think she'd like to do the same thing with the reality TV guests. Alas, her show isn't geared for that.
Naughty But Nice Rob now has an article about Kate at the Huff Post.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/02/kate-gosselin-book_n_1933185.html?utm_hp_ref=tw
Excerpt:
Kate Gosselin has scored a victory. She has gotten her lawyers to halt the sale of a shocking new book that claims that the mom of eight "fooled the world."
"The book sounds like a whole lot of nothing blown up to look sensational," a friend of Kate's, who has not read the book, tells me. "Sometimes it's best to ignore something, especially something self-published that hasn't attracted that much attention. If Kate fights back or makes a statement, it might make people more interested. She's checking on the best approach."
My guess would be that the "friend" is Deanna.
The "true" Easter story was really something. Kate's crazy tweeties can't see that her entire narration of the eggs and the day was a complete fabrication? It sounds like Deanna has been trained in fibbing by one of the best out there. Those are two peas in a pod.
"And the stuff thrown out in the trash....absolutely NOTHING illegal about taking it. I don't understand why anyone thinks there is anything remotely criminal about this."
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Not everywhere, I'm afraid. A few days ago, the New Hampshire Supreme Court ruled that garbage is private, even when it has been put out near the street for collection. This came about when a man's trash was searched and marijuana residue was found there. The search of the garbage was not included in the warrant, and the state supreme court went on to rule that garbage is private property.
The crew changed over the years. I thought I read somewhere there was only one guy from the original that stayed throughout the entire 4 million seasons or whatever. I believe the kids would latch on to anyone though, because she couldn't beat the bejeezus out of them AS MUCH when there were others around.
And who knows, she might have invited them for a dinner or two, but I doubt if she has and IF she has they'd probably all say no thanks my mother is on her deathbed or something, sorry can't make it.
Who'd want to eat her eat her food anyway? Who would want to look at her face? Who would want to listen to that voice? Who would want to breathe the same air? No one would want to be around her unless they were being paid. Everyting about her is repugnant.
That said, I actually think crew was code for Steve.
Oooh, I almost wish it would go to court!!! Katie under oath? Wouldn't that be something.
Marie
Sometimes it's best to ignore something, especially something self-published that hasn't attracted that much attention
LOL. So, Kate "ignored" it by filing suit to stop the book from being distributed?? Oh, goodness "friend" Deanna you are as stupid as Kate.
"She's checking on the best approach."
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Who is she checking with? Deanna? Her yoga instructor? Milo? CJ, the vetter/sleuth? Cindy?
Kate can't figure out anything on her own, can she?
Isn't Abby Lee Miller one of the people on the show? Do you think she'll be taking any krap from our Katie?
Best approach would be to get the hell out of dodge and never be seen again. Idiot.
New Hampshire protected garbage way back in 2003. They acknowledged they were contradicting the federal Supreme Court though I don't think anyone has tried to take it up. They are the exception though not the rule. Kate doesn't live there. Privacy is a fascinating legal issue and has sparked some of the most interesting judicial opinions.
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LOL. So, Kate "ignored" it by filing suit to stop the book from being distributed??
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Kate has filed suit? When did this happen?
"The search of the garbage was not included in the warrant, and the state supreme court went on to rule that garbage is private property"
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OK. But could this just in the the case of criminal searches, and not just casually picking up an old radio from the trash can because you want parts for your old radio (or whatever)?
So, by NH law, I can't take my neighbor's Sunday coupons from the top of his can without going to ask if I can have them? Bizarre.
Kate's lawyers, lovingly referred to here as Laverne and Shirley, forced Amazon to take the book down due to "intellectual property" issues.
If Abby Lee Miller is aware of Kate's nasty comments about the dance moms on twitter, I would bet Kate will get some kind of snarky remark from Abby..it takes a bitch to know a bitch!
This is the rest of the article from Huff Post-perhaps I should have posted the whole thing. My first post was to point out about the friend defending Kate.
"However, now it sounds as if Gosselin has decided on the best approach, which has been to get her lawyers to intervene and remove the book from Amazon just two days after its release.
"Kate had her own lawyers deal with this," says a network insider. "TLC lawyers were involved as well, since there was some confidential documents in there."
This confidential information that troubled TLC was found in a series of private emails exchanged between Gosselin and the Discovery network. The emails were leaked via computer hard drives that Gosselin had put in the trash.
"Several months ago I received a very threatening seven-page legal letter before the book was even published," the book's author, Robert Hoffman, emailed me. "I'm trying to regroup right now and certainly don't want to do anything illegal. I'm meeting with an attorney to discuss my options as far as making the book available in the future."
Gosselin recently told Huffington Post Celebrity that she ignores her haters, but this time she took action. Her legal firm did not respond to a request for comment."
Rob Shuter must have just been contacted by Kate's "insider" because he was on the Today Show with Hoda and Kathy Lee and I thought for sure he'd give Kate a mention, but didn't.
Let the spin begin....
Mountains out of mole hills.... mmmk.
SPOILER from Chapter 19 -- the Juicy Juice endorsement deal -- a LIFETIME supply!
I saw this in a Calvin and Hobbes cartoon. Calvin's response certainly applies to the enablers.
Hobbes: Denial springs eternal.
Calvin: It’s not denial. I’m just very selective about the reality I accept.
This is late but thanks to MamaK for pointing out that Kate herself has publically said she journals daily. It was in I Just Want You to Know. So there goes the sheeple theory Kate doesn't journal.
Anonymous said... 131
Oooh, I almost wish it would go to court!!! Katie under oath? Wouldn't that be something.
Marie
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I think it would go something like this- "Do you swear, on this Bible, to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?"
Kate- " Umm, honestly, I do swear, um, honest, you know, like, to set the record straight, NO LIE!!!!!!!"
TLC and the Gosselins tried to dupe the public viewers and it lasted for a time, but as people caught on to the "lies" they failed. Today, I'm disgusted in continuing to see that Kate is attending Yoga class while she refused to allow the children to have gymnastics. Selfish, do you think? The stopping of the recent book is a feeble attempt to rehab Kate's image. It will not work. Her 15 minutes needs to be over. Any attention she gets, either good or bad, feeds the monster. It must stop. I will not watch any interview of her on any show. Better things to do with my time.
Dmasy I guess that helps explain the one child's black decayed tooth.
Kate's lawyers, lovingly referred to here as Laverne and Shirley, forced Amazon to take the book down due to "intellectual property" issues.
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Yes, I read that on Robert's site, but in post 132 you said that Kate filed suit. I just wondered if this was breaking news, or where it was reported.
Kate- " Umm, honestly, I do swear, um, honest, you know, like, to set the record straight, NO LIE!!!!!!!"
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You forgot to add, WINK WINK!
Sorry - for me, Kate's lawyers only follow Kate's wishes.
Sorry - for me, Kate's lawyers only follow Kate's wishes.
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I'm lost and it's not even rumspringing time yet. So are you saying that she didn't file suit?
Kate- " Umm, honestly, I do swear, um, honest, you know, like, to set the record straight, NO LIE!!!!!!!"
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You forgot to add, WINK WINK!
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don't forget
CLAP CLAP!!!
Kate needs to start hawking her own line of wooden spoons. NO LIE
lol
IMO, I expect nothing but sweetness, and glassy
eyes from Katie Couric when Kate comes on.
Katie's show is relatively new. I'm sure she does not want anything negative attached to it. So I predict Kate will get away with it- yet again.
I'll skip watching simply because I do not feel like watching Kate lie through her teeth- and I hate liars.
Sometimes it's best to ignore something, especially something self-published that hasn't attracted that much attention
LOL. So, Kate "ignored" it by filing suit to stop the book from being distributed?? Oh, goodness "friend" Deanna you are as stupid as Kate.
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If she thinks it hasn't attracted that much attention, then perhaps they need to evaluate WHY it hasn't attracted that much attention (hint: no one cares about Kate anymore). Pretty sure that's not the reason they want...
Has anyone mentioned you aren't supposed to throw out electronics, like computers, in the trash anyway?
Best Buy is one retailer that will take them for you (I think there is a fee). AND they tell you to remove the mother board 1st- to protect your privacy- hellloooooo Kate! If she didnt know how, all she has to do is ask, and they can help her.
A lot of this would have been avoided had she done the right thing (snark- like that would ever happen).
Aggiemom,
You are cracking me up today!! No lie!! :D
What galls me about Kate and her tv appearances....she's so sweet, butter wouldn't melt in her mouth. but with the kids, it's all acid that she spews. its vomit-worthy.
Tamara please stop violating rule 2 especially with info that could be extremely libelous and put this blog in jeopardy. If your source wants this info on the blog they are free to contact me directly.
I threw my DVD out last night. I set it next to the garbage can because I knew the town trash picker would be around to take it, Sure enough it was gone by the time I went to bed. Oh the irony. Ih he hadn't taken it I would have recycled it though.
How disappointing that it was pulled from Amazon. Why can't he publish it in book form? I hope this is only temporary. I already downloaded it to my Ipod, but it's taking me forever to read for some reason. I think he repeats alot of things and it should be edited. Kate is brutal. That is one scary woman who was given way too much power.
I suspect that Beth and Bob distanced themselves and their children from the Gosselin saga just in time to avoid what has come to light. Something was so strange about Jon working for Bob, then buying their own mini-mansion on acreage similar to Beth's. The Gosselins were trying very hard to "keep up". Who wants to be friends with people who are that obviously envious? Jon was in on that, too. There is still so much we don't know and will never know about the Gosselin mess. TLC certainly wants the secrets hidden. Thus, nixing Robert's book. Where is the transparency, Discovery? Are all of their shows the phoniest of the phoney? What are they afraid of? Any answers?
so NOW we know that the show was 'edited' as kate said, BUT it was edited by HER. Way to make yourself look, well, not good, katie.
watching Katie Couric with someone discussing single parents dating made me think of two things. First, she is a good interviewer, asks a question and actually allows interviewee to answer and listens to answer. Second, she didn't make it all about her as if SHE is the only single parent in the world wondering about the best way to deal with that subject. Personally thought that would have been an interesting show to have the bitch on but then again they probably aren't interested in hearing about how lonely she is.
Wowser said... 139
If Abby Lee Miller is aware of Kate's nasty comments about the dance moms on twitter, I would bet Kate will get some kind of snarky remark from Abby..it takes a bitch to know a bitch!
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oooo I forgot about that comment. Karma seems to be closing in on Kate from all sides. ha! I wanna see a throw down between those two. Kate's eyes are going to darken over and Abby's voice will get screechy loud...oh boy, popcorn, anyone?
TLC needs to put Kate on their new show, something about cheapskates I(saw in on aol news).
one lady said she hasn't used a washer/dryer(wears her clothes in the shower, then hangs them to dry) in three years, doesn't buy toilet paper (uses a water squirt bottle instead), and doesn't buy paper towels.
anyone want to say EEEWWWWW
butterfly said... 145
Anonymous said... 131
Oooh, I almost wish it would go to court!!! Katie under oath? Wouldn't that be something.
Marie
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I think it would go something like this- "Do you swear, on this Bible, to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?"
Kate- " Umm, honestly, I do swear, um, honest, you know, like, to set the record straight, NO LIE!!!!!!!"
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Kate dabs her eyes, wearing her shortest skirt/lowest neckline shirt, saying that Jon put Robert to it.
She can always argue that she gets temporary amnesia every so often... you know, caused by having PCOS ;o)
Isn't that the same condition that made her get her "saggy baggies" fixed, and not remembering afterwards that it happened?
;o)
Awwww... I'd like to stay and play some more-
but I have to go bootcamp aerobics. Oh well.
Be back later.
The ridiculousness of Kate's comment about dance Moms is she blocks anyone who dares criticize her parenting, but she's allowed to criticize as she pleases the dance moms' parenting. How is what she did any different from what she calls "hate"? Oh right it's not, it's called people are allowed to have opinions about public figures.
John's quote that Kate is a "good/great" mother gets mentioned at regular intervals.
I remember clearly (anyone else?) that Jon denied he said that. He commented (on Twitter?) that he had been mis-quoted by People magazine. I think he said his when asked if Kate was a good mother, he said, "She is a mother."
He had added that they had different parenting styles. He did not say anything outrightly negative about Kate, but I think the implication was there.
I usually have a clear memory of what I read, but I don't recall where I read that comment.
If he never used that flattering adjective, it would help to explain a few things.
TLC should be going after KT for putting them in the trash in a rampage.
True story--NO LIE!!
Several years ago there was a business next door to me that was evicted for not paying their rent. The sheriff's department removed everything from the premises and put it out on the sidewalk. This included computers, office furniture, boxes filled with papers, etc. They surrounded them with tape that said "Sheriff's Line-Do Not Cross".
Since I live on a busy road that is basically a commuter route from the train station, I was concerned that there would be a feeding frenzy during the after work rush hour.
I went over there and spoke to a sheriff's rep and asked what was going to happen to the items and they said they would be picking everything up the NEXT day. I then asked if they were going to have guards there to protect the items, and was told "That's what the tape is for-it's illegal for anyone to cross it"(Duh!).
So everyone from the sheriff's department left, no guards were there and about 5pm the feeding frenzy started. People were even using the sheriff's tape to tie things to the roof of their cars!
The next morning, my front lawn looked like a tornado had hit. It was strewn with papers and other junk. Some of the papers were pay stubs from employees paychecks-including names and SS#s.
My town eventually sent trucks to clean up the mess-but the point is, the sheriff's department knew exactly what would happen and didn't care to protect any of the items put to the curb. They basically said "have at it" to all that passed by.
I'm halfway through Robert's book and I'm so upset but not surprised about what I'm reading.
I fully expect to read EIGHT LITTLE ABUSED AND IGNORED FACES by Cara, Maddy, Alexis, Aaden, Collin, Hannah, Joel and Leah Gosselin. Monster Mom, I'm sure, will want a cut of the profits! What a $$$ucking BITCH!
Were the police called out to the house after she hit the tup in whistle-gate? I seem to remember (unflattering) pictures at the end of the drive talking to the police.
Discovery's sole goal is to get Robert's book shut down because it's dangerous to their business. That is all they care about. They don't want to sue, they want cooperation.
The next step would be a lawsuit, of course. Again, all they want is that book gone and all notes, etc. destroyed.
If they lose, and it's probably a good chance that they will, they might go after Kate because she spilled a lot of beans. She might actually cost them money, and that's the big
no-no in the Land of Discovery.
Oh, Oh! What happens in that house when you spill beans? Katie ain't gonna liiiikkke it!
@Dmasy said... 100
"Does anyone know if a commercial meat slicer can be used as a paper shredder?"
Tweeted that w/credit to you. It was so clever, i couldn't resist!
New post up at GOSSELINBOOK! Robert addresses ROL and includes copies of the 2 emails he sent them.
cherier1 said... 173
@Dmasy said... 100
"Does anyone know if a commercial meat slicer can be used as a paper shredder?"
Tweeted that w/credit to you. It was so clever, i couldn't resist!
October 2, 2012 3:54 PM
LOL! I wonder if the meat slicer is effective on motherboards or hard drives?
(insert disclaimer about motherboards and hard drives being UNPLUGGED before inserting into working meat slicer)
Oooops! Hit publish too soon.
SPOILER ALERT
Robert's lie detector test was at the behest of AMI and was related specifically to his acquisition of KKs journal. Also, his second email to ROL states that he has information from former crew members supporting the allegations of child abuse and that THERE IS FOOTAGE OF IT!! So -- TLC and Discovery knew that KK was abusing those children, had documentation of it, and still continued to film the family!
What's everyone going as at our virtual Halloween party? I'm sure there will be several meat slicers. I may change mine now to a hard drive never wiped clean.
Kate really has a problem with people "having opinions"
Good grief, woman, of course they do!
It explains her twittering- have a nice day- bye- ur blocked!
My brother has an expression "When I want your opinion, I'll give it to you"
Comment on HuffPO:
MamacitaOfLove
Micro-bio curious
3533 Fans
2 minutes ago ( 7:03 PM)
I reading it right now. It is horrendous how she used and abused those 8 beautiful children. It quotes her emails and journals: '...I spanked him as hard as I could' (he was 2!) is but one example. I will include more examples as time permits.
It was ALL a scripted, orchestrated scam and her children were used as props and 8 little money makers.
If you think this book is a heart-heavy read, wait until the kids start talking.
Robert Hoffman, the author, just stated that he can back it all up and that 90% of the sensitive journals and emails will never see the light of day UNLESS they Kate & co) call him a liar and come after him. Think hard, Kate.
And last but not least, SHAME ON YOU Discovery/TLC. You are complicit and you know it which is why you will try to make this go away as quietly as possible.
Unfortunately, I did not get to buy the book before it was pulled from Amazon. Would anyone be willing to share a copy with me? I’d be happy to make an additional donation to RH’s defense fund in order to make up for not being able to purchase it correctly. Admin, is this allowed?
I’m not trying to get anything for free, or to skirt copyright laws. I would buy it from Amazon if I could, and I will compensate RH any way I can.
koop dedoo said... 175
cherier1 said... 173
@Dmasy said... 100
"Does anyone know if a commercial meat slicer can be used as a paper shredder?"
Tweeted that w/credit to you. It was so clever, i couldn't resist!
October 2, 2012 3:54 PM
LOL! I wonder if the meat slicer is effective on motherboards or hard drives?
(insert disclaimer about motherboards and hard drives being UNPLUGGED before inserting into working meat slicer)
October 2, 2012 4:00 PM
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Oh that was priceless!
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 177
What's everyone going as at our virtual Halloween party? I'm sure there will be several meat slicers. I may change mine now to a hard drive never wiped clean.
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We're having a party? Are we virtual trick-or-treating too? I'll make cake pops!
I really need to find that t-shirt Jon wore, LIES -
Oh my goodness. I can't believe that I feel like jumping up and yelling over and over: ''Go Robert....Go Robert....Go Robert''
This is my favorite part: ''As for Kate Gosselin's journal, I think you know that I was given and passed a lie detector test by AMI specifically focusing on the acquisition and content of Kate's journal.''
Now I need to calm down and continue to worry about Robert and his family's personal safety!!
Who is AMI?
Thanks.
VegasBaby, It is possible to create a file of the booVk and email that file. I sent a copy to an alternate email address that I use for specific purposes. However, you'd still have to have the Kindle app on your computer to read it. It would be up to Admin if she'd be willing to act as a go-between in sharing email addresses and if she thinks we can do this legally. If Robert has copywrited his book, it's probably a copywrite violation to share in this way; however, if we have his permission ???
Admin -- I've been thinking of coming as a plastic egg. However, that might be too much like KK -- plastic on the outside, hollow in the inside.
From Robert:
"...As for Kate Gosselin's journal, I think you know that I was given and passed a lie detector test by AMI specifically focusing on the acquisition and content of Kate's journal. In addition, anyone with basic knowledge of computers can look at the discs and see when they were created and if they were ever modified in any way. The book contains about ten percent of what was found in the computer files. There is so much more that hasn't been revealed. I also have physical and photographic evidence to back up my claims in the book.
I have a great deal of respect for Williams & Connolly, having been in the courtroom watching them in action in the past. I'm also a big fan of Marty Singer and Lavely & Singer and I'm aware of their skills and what they're able to do for their clients. I wish they were on my side of this situation.
Regarding Jon, as stated clearly in the book, he had absolutely nothing to do with personally giving me any information whatsoever for the book.
You should reach out to him personally to answer any questions about him.
Thank you David for your interest and I look forward to speaking with you sometime in person.
Best,
Robert Hoffman"
Anonymous said... 185
Who is AMI?
Thanks.
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The parent company of Star ROL etc.
That's not true Tamara. I always swiffer insider stories. I don't count a few tidbits about the school or all those weather reports or general observations about people as insider. If your source is really interested like I said, have them contact us. It has nothing to do with making a party look good and I'm tired of such implications or i wouldnt have invited Your so reliable source youve never once mentioned before to contact us. This is an extremely public blog and make no mistake is on the radar. Everyone should be thinking carefully about what they post here right now.
Cherier1 -- Thank you. I am completely flattered!
Vegas Baby -- I am willing to share with anyone. I don't know how. Can some "brilliant" person instruct us on the legal and physical way to share our intact copies of the book.
Mine is on a Kindle that I have not re-connected to the internet since loading the book.
testing
mamaK said... 78
The weirdest thing about Kate and Steve are the emails to Gina...
From sixymomma@comcast.net
To gina_nxxxx
Subject nana and lance
Date Jan 1, 2009
"Hey--I am so full of thinking already today...I am looking at my calendar and trying to schedule things that I want to schedule before production takes over on Monday...
Why don't we have a farewell party for your parents on Sunday Feb 8 (we can find a different date that would work too)...we could do a 'surprise' (or not) and invite some of your/their friends (up to you) and do a big thing...I will totally behave on this occasion! J
No more drinking...I have drank my fill for a long while...It's my New years resolution...no more drinking! J
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What's with the J thing?
I think the j is just a smiley that default to a j when you change out of HTML.
Did you see though Gena's response to Kate invitation to have a party? She's like yea uh we're busy that weekend. And doesn't even suggest an alternate weekend. Lol. I really don't think many people even enjoy being friends with this woman, sounds like Gena is just a polite person trying to be nice to her husbands employer.
BTW, I am also MamaKnows. I have trouble posting here often, but always read. For some reason I am now getting a comment block when I usually don't. Remember when I asked you if I was banned, Admin? Lol. No idea why it works now.
Anyway. Please comment at HuffPo is you are so inclined so that we can spread the FACTS.
Rob Shutter on Twitter:
Me:
Fair? You took a side - not the kids or the truth. Very disapponited. I read you at Huff. URbetter than this. @NaughtyNiceRob
Reply:
Naughty But Nice Rob @NaughtyNiceRob
@BIOGHAWG @kittyfitz50 @kateplusmy8 cheers love. She's only stopped it for now
Ah, thanks. I was beginning to wonder if Khate was trying out a new cool term or something. It's weird to see the constant (if that's okay)s and (or not)s to Gena. Does she do that in all her emails to her? Seems like she was really trying to please Mrs Pinkerton.
Readerlady ~
I do have the kindle app on my laptop. I hope we can do this. I’d be thrilled to buy it, but maybe a contribution to RH’s fund will suffice? I’m not trying to do anything illegal.
I think you can email me through my profile, I signed in.
I remember an episode where the kids were all in their rooms and Joel was lying on his bed in a fetal position being very quiet looking bone weary and Jon came in and lay down beside him and said, hey buddy, I love you and patted him and the other kids said "awwww." I remember thinking at the time he must have had gotten into trouble. That was before I knew that getting into trouble in that house did not mean a couple of licks with a spoon or whatever, it is being mauled and beaten down as hard as she can hit them over and over to the point she is afraid of doing serious damage.
I believe every word that was written in that book up to and including the fact that he could have said much, more more.
Tamara said... 191 What's with the J thing?
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I have done the "J" thing at times when typing. While typing a period at the end of a sentence my pointer finger pushes on J as I am using ring finger to hit the period I guess.
I saw someone I thought was CJ ranting on Twitter the other day saying it wasn't Kate's lawyers who made him take a lie detector it was STAR..so I guess that person was correct? How would that person know? They were very much against Gosselin Book.
Midnight Madness said... 150
Sorry - for me, Kate's lawyers only follow Kate's wishes.
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I'm lost and it's not even rumspringing time yet. So are you saying that she didn't file suit?
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I don't think we've heard yet whether papers have actually been filed against Robert. All I've heard is that a letter was sent to Amazon questioning Robert's right to publish what they feel is someone elses "intellectual property" and they then suspended sales of the book. We'll have to wait and see if they take the next step.
New post up on Rh's blog about PennMommy
TLC/Kate's lawyers can try and keep Kate's abuse quiet now, but at some point those children are going to talk. TLC/Discovery and lots of others could go down BIG time.
New post up at Gosselinbookblogspot. Robert addresses the Pennmommy issue
Robert might not be posting here, but he is reading here!
Hi, Robert. Thanks for the details on yogurt gate. Thanks for being so organized and documented!
Hope you are well.
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