Saturday, August 25, 2012

The Farmer's Wife: When a story of surviving motherhood isn't force fed

We're a little late with our final Farmer's Wife post due to some other Kate-ish news coming up, but better late than never! 

Realitytvkids.com will be organizing an official summer "book club" screening of The Farmer's Wife. Watch Part 3 this week and discuss it as you go with all the interesting folks here. If you missed Part 1 it can be found here and Part 2 here.

Audrey, Abby, Whitney and Juanita, 1996.

David Sutherland never intended to find a woman like Juanita. However when he did, he didn't succumb to the temptation to write the script for her, give her labels, define her. For three years, he stepped aside and let Juanita just be Juanita. What resulted was not just a beautiful story of a wife's devotion to her husband and one woman's strength in incredible adversity, but a poinant portrait of motherhood. Juanita listened to her children, was there for them as much as she could be, worked hard to improve their situation and give them a better life, and always showered them with positivity and love.

In part three, Juanita takes her family's destiny into her own hands by furthering her education and getting a job in crop insurance. Due to her hard work from the ground up, the family's hard times finally seem to turn around as this wonderful documentary comes to a close. Today, although Juanita is divorced and no longer lives on a farm, she reportedly still works in the farming sector on the business side, helping out the farmers of Nebraska. Darrel reportedly still lives and works on the same farm featured in the documentary. 

Reality T.V. today loves to "define" characters. Kate is the "mother of 8," and has made a career out of this definition. We prefer authenticity, which Sutherland was lucky to find in a little town in Nebraska in 1995.

Whitney, Audrey, Juanita and Abby, on a family trip to Mexico, 2009.

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Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Be there for your kids, love them and listen to them when they are younger, and when they are grown, it will result in photographs like this one--with your three beautiful young women wrapping their arms around you in pure love and gratitude.

Well done, Juanita. Well done.

Tucker's Mom said...

What a great picture of Juanita and the girls! Yay! She finally got her teeth fixed. She so deserves it.
I said before, I hope Juanita has her "2-story house" and even cleaning service from time to time. She worked like a horse on that farm. I was exhausted just watching!

Tucker's Mom said...

Juanita held her girls so close. The physical-ness was very apparent and there was a connection that was seen on the screen that I've NEVER ONCE seen with Kate and any of her kids.
All of this shitting sherbet rainbows is a fantasy. Watch any Kate episode and you see kids who cower away from their mother. Never once did I see any child fling themselves at her, jump into her arms.
One seen very early on shows a girl sitting on Kate's lap while she napped in a chair. There was no engaging, no connecting, no caressing. Nothing.

Audible Click said...

What a lovely and loving picture. Kate could never manage a photograph like that, being a control freak she is compelled to stage photos in an attempt to replicate the "happy family" vibe. Naturally, she fails and the photos end up blatantly fake and staged.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

I know some families aren't demonstrative and that doesn't mean they don't love each other, but the problem is we know the Gosselin kids ARE demonstrative by the way they crawl all over Jon showering him with huge hugs and kisses. They ache for it.

I always take notice when kids just sort of "melt" into their parents. I think it says a lot. In both the 1996 photo and 2009, the three girls are clearly melting into Juanita. It's so beautiful.

Dwindle said...

You know, I look at that picture of Juanita up there, CRADLING her little one protectively; the next one with arms wrapped around mommy and beaming up at mommy, and the eldest happily engaged with her mother. Yes, there are 3, not eight, but what is your excuse, Kate? Why do you think being a mom means mentally destroying your gestation offspring and C O N S T A N T complaining about what a burden they are to you?

Tucker's Mom said...

The G kids would crawl all over the crew! Clearly they know not to try that with Kate.
Here's the future Kate+girls picture circa 2020: Kate standing sideways, tight dress, stillettos and a smile that never extends up to her eyes.
Juanita and girls photos are not posed and they all look joyful.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

There's more to the story in the first picture.

Juanita had just gotten back from a weekend trip to her sister's baby shower. The kids were staying with grandparents (GRANDPARENTS oh my!). I believe Audrey said they were making birdhouses or something along those lines and the second Juanita pulled up she wanted Mom to gcomesee. In the photo you can see she's gesturing to her right.

Audrey didn't care about the stupid baby shower or how Juanita was. She just wanted Juanita to know about all the things she, Audrey, had done on HER weekend. She's a kid and it's about her. That's how it goes.

And of course, Juanita happily indulged her and went to go look just after this, and asked all about how the girls were. It wasn't until later in the day I think Darrel asked how the shower was.

Never once did Juanita make the girls feel like it was all about her. On the contrary, it was all about them.

Tucker's Mom said...

Yes, at some point, some of those kids are going to be crushed by reading and seeing how bitterly and constantly Kate complains about how hard it was to carry and raise them.
Aaden needs glasses, Mady is short, milk is too expensive.
And you know what? It won't add up. They will wonder why their mother never wanted for anything and had the life of a Rock Star, yet they were a burden.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

I think when someone hits you and barks at you, it's hard to know when it's safe to crawl all over them and melt into them.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Have you noticed even in Kate's staged photos she is never or rarely touching the kids?

When I was into photography (and these days slowly getting back into it) and would take casual photos of parents and kids I knew I would always pose them so they are touching somehow. Kid hugging mom from behind, mom hugging kid from behind, foreheads pressed together while making a silly face at each other, linking fingers, things like that.

I don't recall a staged photo where Kate is doing anything like that. There is just no connection.

Dwindle said...

Anyway, thank you to Aggie or Auntie, I cant remember and now I lost the post, on the previous thread who recalled me giving Kate lessons on how to use a slicer to make your own sandwich meat as a way of saving money. At least by doing this (and pretending it was all her own idea), the children will be getting some meat in their lunches.Which might mean bread and a GASP sandwich!!!!!

Also, Kate, the pre-sliced meat warms up beautifully with gravy in a pan for dinner; mashed potatoes on the side and you have a good dinner that the kids can cut up themselves and you dont have to make a casserole because you are too lazy to cut their meat or teach them how. At least I hope to God your eight year olds can cut up those thin slices of cooked meat with a standard dinner knife. If not, you need to get off your lazy ass and PATIENTLY teach, or get them into occupation therapy asap. if they cant cut their meat, something is wrong and your preemie excuse wont cut it at all.

You know she will address this. Watch for it. She will hint somehow about the kids cutting their own meat. Watch.

Dwindle said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 11
Have you noticed even in Kate's staged photos she is never or rarely touching the kids?

When I was into photography (and these days slowly getting back into it) and would take casual photos of parents and kids I knew I would always pose them so they are touching somehow. Kid hugging mom from behind, mom hugging kid from behind, foreheads pressed together while making a silly face at each other, linking fingers, things like that.

I don't recall a staged photo where Kate is doing anything like that. There is just no connection.
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We all recall noting how not one of those babies or toddlers ever ever ever lifted up their arms to ask the mommy to hold them. Never. They knew from infancy mommy would not touch them except for business purposes, like changing and feeding. There was to be no love, no comfort, no cuddling, no affection. Those babies never even THOUGHT to ask mommy to lift them or hold them any more than they would have asked the neighbor's Great Dane to lift them. Just not in their repertoire of possible things.

Dwindle said...

Well, we are off to pick up our 1/2 of an Amish Happy Cow, which we have done every other year for 35 (34?) years now. Have a great Saturday everyone!

Tucker's Mom said...

Audrey didn't care about the stupid baby shower or how Juanita was. She just wanted Juanita to know about all the things she, Audrey, had done on HER weekend. She's a kid and it's about her. That's how it goes.
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Amen. Kids don't give a rat's patootie about how far you ran or how rock hard your abs are. That's utterly ridiculous.
Kids don't care if you have a boyfriend or are dating. They just simply do not.
Kids are the center of their own universe. How far mom ran that day is truly not even on their radar and it's certainly not going to be the first thing they say off the school bus.
If, if they do, it's to appease Kate because that's how they keep her happy: make it Allaboutkate.com.

Tucker's Mom said...

Dwindle said... 14
Well, we are off to pick up our 1/2 of an Amish Happy Cow, which we have done every other year for 35 (34?) years now. Have a great Saturday everyone!
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Seriously great! DH are thinking about doing it sometime. Amish cow is deelish--have bought grass fed beef from your area as we're fortunate to have PA farmers and producers come to DC farmers markets.
Great cows, great cheeses, great beef.
Insert another Homer Simposon Mmmmmmm, cow.

Kate's Meat Slicer said...

Kate's meat slicer is definitely at least in the $500 range. Some cost a lot more.

Here are two with the same style and green/red on/off switch:

http://www.amazon.com/MTN-kitchenware-Commercial-Electric-Slicer/dp/B0051YCMME/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1345916571&sr=8-1&keywords=mtn+meat+slicer

http://www.amazon.com/Adcraft-SL300ES-Commercial-Deli-Slicer/dp/B004ZF02HM/ref=pd_sim_sbs_k_6

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

Fans and "haters" are arguing about the 50/50 custody and Kate has shown up asking if she can clear up whatever the argument is so fans are asking about it.

‏@Kateplusmy8
@TrippenIn @msgoody2shoes21 @LilyatIW what's the main argument? (don't usually ask but is there something I can clear up?)

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Lol oh NOW she wants to clear up custody after people have been asking for over a month.

She'll probably just lie or speak in vague terms that aren't really lies.

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

So far all she's tweeted is an answer to someone wanting to get their books autographed. LOL

fade2black said...

Admin...11...I don't recall a staged photo where Kate is doing anything like that.
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Shall we start a pool for when said picture shows up? I'll take next Monday afternoon.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

I bet if Jon happens to have had the kids this weekend, she'll say something vague like yes Jon has the weekend. This will be interesting.

AuntieAnn said...

There was a very brief moment captured on film when Kate came home from her free tummy-tuck where we glimpsed her reuniting with her kids in their cribs with what appeared to be genuine loving hugs and kisses. Out of 150+ episodes I don't think we saw much more of that. And in the relatively short film about the farmer's wife Juanita, it was a constant. I noticed how she automatically picked up the youngest and hung her on her hip as if it was the most natural thing in the world to do. I remember doing so many things with a baby or small child on my hip, as I'm sure most moms do as well. I don't recall seeing Kate doing that much.

fade2black said...

Ah, so she's finally figured out an acceptable spin to the 50/50 issue. I can't wait for this one.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

. I noticed how she automatically picked up the youngest and hung her on her hip as if it was the most natural thing in the world to do. I

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Exactly. Whitney, the youngest, was like a little monkey clinging to her mommy. It was natural. It's what even primates do!

There is even a scene where Juanita is walking to the mailbox with Whitney on her hip. It's natural and cute.

Localyocul said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 19
Lol oh NOW she wants to clear up custody after people have been asking for over a month.

She'll probably just lie or speak in vague terms that aren't really lies.
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Well it's been 20 minutes and she hasn't cleared up any of the three questions.



@msgoody2shoes21
@Kateplusmy8 @TrippenIn @LilyatIW The naysayers think Jon has 50% of custody. That's why you absolved him of paying child support.

@msgoody2shoes21
@Kateplusmy8 @TrippenIn @LilyatIW Haters also think your children support you, not the other way around.

@msgoody2shoes21
@Kateplusmy8 @TrippenIn @LilyatIW And last, what safety precaution for kids do you have regarding meat slicer?

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

One of the haters tweeted that Kate probably called Jon and is yelling at him. LOL

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Wow so even one of the sheeple is flat out asking about what safety precautions are in place to protect the kids from that dangerous meat slicer? They actually sound sincerely concerned.

Nice. Sheeple are making baby steps.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

If when it all shakes out Kate has them 16 days a month and Jon has them 15, in Kate's eyes that is not "50-50" so she'll say no it's not 50-50. Bitch please.

They need to know how to ask questions so there is no "out." Ask it this way: Kate what is your current custody arrangement?

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

The answer. Guess she called her attorney.

‏@Kateplusmy8
@TrippenIn @RealityTv my atty spoke facts that no 1 can dispute.Nothing else has changed.End of subject.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...


The answer. Guess she called her attorney.

‏@Kateplusmy8
@TrippenIn @RealityTv my atty spoke facts that no 1 can dispute.Nothing else has changed.End of subject.


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Baw-hahahha. By the way, the attorney said nothing about custody.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

"End of subject."

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Sheeple you are making Kate VERY uncomfortable. Stop.

LB said...

Someone needs to ask Kate on twitter why she is always talking like the children are such a burden on her. Always costing her so much $$$ and so much work. I don't remember hearing her saying she loves being their mom and just stopping there. She always has to jab it to the children at the end. Ask her if she does the same to them. A $600 medical bill, WHINE! A 5:30 am wakeup, WHINE! Using up 3-4 chicken breasts instead of 2-3, WHINE! Different clothibg sizes, WHINE! That one I didn't understand, why did she put a sad face when she said there were 3 different clothing sizes? So what?

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Sheeple chew on this: if nothing else has changed, why has Kate talked about having kids the past two weekends?

If nothing else has changed, one of those weekends should have been Jon's. But that wouldn't necessarily be the case if they've completely rewritten custody so it's more even.

aggiemom09121416 said...

my atty said it. Why still discussing? Please end it. Why do others care what our arrangement is?
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twitter war going on.
Kate can't seem to understand that 'her life' is public fodder...ALL of it, not just what she wants to present.
what a loser

Tucker's Mom said...

Dwindle said... 14
Well, we are off to pick up our 1/2 of an Amish Happy Cow, which we have done every other year for 35 (34?) years now. Have a great Saturday everyone!
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Oh Kate, make us work a little harder in predicting your every lie! You atty said NOTHING.
I hope, really truly hope that this insulting, condescending, skirting of the question makes a wee bitty light bulb go off in some of the Sheeple heads.
Do you get it now?

Tucker's Mom said...

Sorry, regarding #36, my response was meant to add Kate's tweet first.

aggiemom09121416 said...

I didn't follow Admin's directive (once I started watching Farmer's Wife, I couldn't stop)..no recess for me! lol

I am thankful to Admin for sharing this documentary with us, and I was honored to watch it. If more people were like Juanita, this world would be a better place.
It's been a few weeks since I finished watching it, and it's still swirling around my little brain.
I hope I can be a better person for having watched it.
I think I'll toodle around the net and buy a copy.
And while I am at it, whoever suggested the movie "Taking Chance', THANK YOU. I now am the proud owner of a copy..I bawled my eyes out. God bless our military.

Tucker's Mom said...

aggiemom09121416 said... 38
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Both worthy of anyone's DVD collection. Taking Chance--I watched it about 3x over 4th of July. Cried every time.

aggiemom09121416 said...

Tucker's Mom said... 39

aggiemom09121416 said... 38
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Both worthy of anyone's DVD collection. Taking Chance--I watched it about 3x over 4th of July. Cried every time.
August 25, 2012 11:37 AM
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I also purchased a documentary on Arlington Cemetery. Cried with that one, too.

I tell my kids,if I ever get to go on a vacation, I am going to Arlington and Pearl Harbor. My kids snark I am fixated on death. lol

carezee said...

So I am a little confused here. Kate has always said not to believe what we read. So now she is saying that the article on ROL is all true? Although it was very vague and left me scratching my head. As I usually do when Kate opens her mouth. Now I am suppose to believe what is written and not ask any questions. It kind of reminds me of when I was growing up. You could read the bible but if you didn't understand what something meant you could only have a priest interpret it. That's because the bible can be interpreted anyway you want. Just like everything that Kate says. Too bad if you think she meant it one way when really she meant it totally different.

I hope you understand where I am going with this. I am not as witty and able to put things into words as well as the rest of you ladies and gents. I also have a hard time getting my thoughts across. It's not because I am trying to do it to be shady like Kate. It's just that I am not as articulate as the rest of you.

Tucker's Mom said...

Arlington is beautiful. The tomb of the unknown soldier with the eternal guard will make your arm hairs stand up. From JFK's grave you overlook all of DC.
Do go!

localyocul said...

This is from a fan. LOL

Lily ‏@LilyatIW
@Kateplusmy8 @TrippenIn @msgoody2shoes21 I guess some (like me) r interested bcuz I've heard u discuss on nat tv & ur Att made pub

capecodmama said...

Juanita and her girls are beautiful. When there is true love, you can always see it in people's faces.

NJGal151...

Love turd bucket! But whether we refer to her as turd bucket or poopyhead it's all the same because she is so infantile.

Admin., thanks for the suggestion on googling lunch ideas for kids. I must have had a brain fart because I can't understand why I just didn't think of that.

I'll be having a rumspringa drink for all of you at my reunion tonight.

Tucker's Mom said...

From the Radar article and I assume what Kate is referencing:
"As for Jon’s claims that he is “going to end up in jail because I can't afford to pay child support to Kate who has plenty of money,” Cheryl Young explained that he still must pay any amount left over from prior to April 27.

“Currently, he is only paying a small amount on arrears for support that was not paid prior to the April date when she dropped support. Those payments will soon end meaning that Kate is the sole supporter of the parties’ children.”

Admin or anyone, can you explain this to me? If the custody is 50/50, then they both support the kids. This sounds like Jon pays nothing and doesn't support them in any way.
I'm confused!

Tamara said...

Dwindle said...We all recall noting how not one of those babies or toddlers ever ever ever lifted up their arms to ask the mommy to hold them. Never. They knew from infancy mommy would not touch them except for business purposes, like changing and feeding. There was to be no love, no comfort, no cuddling, no affection.
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It has be proven that a lack of physical love can cause extreme problems in children that affect them for the rest of their lives. It is a form of PTSD. There is a great book "The Boy who was Raised as a Dog" by Dr. Bruce D. Perry that goes into this, and how other abuse, especially mental and emotional, hurts kids. And how it can be overcome.

I remember in one of the specials with the Dilleys a psychologist did an experiment with them. It was whether or not they could put aside instant gratification for a bit, and in the end get more than they would have originally had just by being patient. Every single child, at the age of 3, could do it. I don't think the G kids could have.

NJGal51 said...

capecodmama - enjoy the reunion tonight. I've got a friend's son in your neck of the woods. He's starting his first year at MMA.

angie said...

Meat slicers are very difficult to handle, youmust absolutely focus. If she thinks sitting it on that counter and not one of those children will climb up and plug it in, she is NUTS. You never trust a child with knowing what danger is. Even if you beat them. They will still investigate.

Love her children? Show affection? Remember the little babies waking up before their 4 hour nap was completed? She would walk in that room and they would cry but they never put their arms up for the Witch, she was mean, after a nap, when a child is just waking up, so loving, wants a hug. She would yell, you woke up too early, now you get an extra hour in that crib. She is one mean bitch.
No doubt in my mind. She left them to cry like they do in orphanages in those overseas locations. They are never picked up, loved, cuddled, talked to, they sit in cribs, eat in the crib and live in the cribs. It is sad and Kate was as close to that as she could get during their first 2 years until they learned to climb out of that prison crib.

The episode with Collin & that furniture store? Jon tried to console Collin, he wanted "Mommy" and Jon said "Mommy won't let you sit on her lap" or something to paraphase what the mean bitch said to him as he cried in pain. She did not flinch. Collin climbed up on her and she called him some type of animal name. Jon said, you never held that animal. They were both so immature. An entire camera crew, babysitter, Jon and Kate ignored Collin who was crying in pain. And Kate just kept looking at that brochure, legs crossed, moving that leg of hers.

I sincerely hope that what Collin did by picking out his own shirt to wear on BTS day was his therapy to move away from the Tup mentality of looking alike. She cannot fight him. He does not like her and it shows in the photos. He is the one less likely to look up at the camera for any of those photos.

Thankfully, he has his father's place to go to. I believe it had to happen, they had to divorce before they destroyed all 8 children as they had certainly began that process while together on TV. Maybe that is what Jody saw, what Beth saw. They all saw her mean streak,her unbelievable TEMPER, her dislike of her life with those children. We saw it.

She was happiest when single, makeover and crying on TV shows with that purse full of bills. Only she did not know we were all laughing at her. She is a JOKE.

When K8 was on, she was miserable around those kids and they were afraid of her, I did see that.

Never will I believe she loves her children. Never.
They love her as the bonding whether healthy or not began when they were born. Yes, I am looking forward to her days of KARMA. It has started with TV but with the children? It has not started yet.

Popchips, like she could not donate it to a shelter? Take it to a Charter school? She is a mean, selfish BITCH. No doubt about it.

Am I having a bad day? No, just can't help how I feel about her actions, her tweets or her juvenile ways of saying "look what I got and you don't have it" as though a deli meat slicer could make her happy? It didn't. She is still a BITCH, home alone with no friends or family. The kids are free, probably with Dad and girlfriend and her kids. Having a great time. Guess it is REAL PIZZA night and Soda too. But don't tell Mom. They won't either.

Tucker's Mom said...

Another thing I wanted to add to my rant about the kids one day (if not already) realizing that their own mother considered them a burden and it's this-- Kate's "alone time".
After having the trauma of divorce, the loss of Dad at home and witnessing the ugly acrimony between Mom and Dad, those kids have to hear that when they're with Kate, she's desperate for "alone time".
Kate sends them off for days and days at a time to be with Jon, isn't that enough "alone time"? How much does she need to get away from them?
I'd feel awfully rejected if my mom ever alluded to needing time away from me.
Isn't having all kids in school all day and spending time away with Jon enough?

Sassy Lassy said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 1
Be there for your kids, love them and listen to them when they are younger, and when they are grown, it will result in photographs like this one--with your three beautiful young women wrapping their arms around you in pure love and gratitude.

Well done, Juanita. Well done.

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What a BEAUTIFUL photo, of a lovely family, Administrator.

The love just pours out of that photo.

NJGal51 said...

Loved the movie Taking Chance. I've worked with the Casualty Assistance guys and admire them but I don't want their job. They are really a special group of folks.

angie said...

Why can't people understand that Jon has a type of interest to pay on the late payments he made of child support when he was legally bound to pay? I don't think we know the exact date the Judge awarded Jon 50/50% custody but he has some outstanding charges going back to when he did not have 50/50% custody. It is a just a balance of $$ still owed on that time.

Admin, does anyone know how much he owes? Is it $100 or $1,000? Would everyone understand that if you explained it, how he is default in having paid on time?

Or am I also wrong? If so, I accept my misunderstanding. But I would bet that Jon made arrangements to pay in installments to the State. The State handles the receiving of the money from Jon, then sends a check to Kate. The money must be received by a certain date and if not? He is penalized? Help Admin, let's get this out of the discussions. Do you know anyone who knows how much is involved?

Permanent Name in Blue said...

Aggiemom,

My parents are buried at Arlington, and my DH's parents are in Camp Butler cemetery.

The national cemeteries are beautiful and honorable. I'm in awe each time I visit.

The funerals are such beautiful and reverent affairs. The 21 gun salute makes me cry...

In fact, I'm tearing up now. The national cemeteries truly show respect and honor to those who have served.

The entire cemetery is like entering a church. They're kept maintained with military precision.

capecodmama said...

NJGal51

Thanks. MMA is a great school. Husband is a grad.

Permanent Name in Blue said...

For those who might feel 'uncomfortable' visiting a national cemetery as if it were a tourist destination, please don't feel that way.

Your visit is honoring those who have served. As the daughter of an Air Force pilot, it makes me proud that you'd visit. What an honor for my dad... he would be pleased to know you appreciate what the cemetery represents. I know I am.

It's a humbling experience.

Sassy Lassy said...

Tucker's Mom said... 9
Yes, at some point, some of those kids are going to be crushed by reading and seeing how bitterly and constantly Kate complains about how hard it was to carry and raise them.
Aaden needs glasses, Mady is short, milk is too expensive.
And you know what? It won't add up. They will wonder why their mother never wanted for anything and had the life of a Rock Star, yet they were a burden.

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Not only that, Tucker's Mom- they are also going to see how disliked their mother has been by many, many people.

Only someone with ice flowing through their veins would not be troubled by that fact.

Rhymes with Witch said...

Arlington is beautiful. The tomb of the unknown soldier with the
eternal guard will make your arm hairs stand up. From JFK's grave you
overlook all of DC. 42

Tucker's Mom, yes you're right. The Viet Nam Memorial also left me speechless.

aggiesmom, I hope you get to go.

Tucker's Mom said...

Sassy Lassy. LOVE your avatar!
The kids will see how bad Kate was hated. I mean, she's not unpopular or disliked, she is reviled.
If Kate thinks it's on 6 people with sock Twit accounts, then she's delusional. Anyone with their head extracted from their ass knows that any mention, any article will draw seething hate.

Tucker's Mom said...

Tucker's Mom, yes you're right. The Viet Nam Memorial also left me speechless.
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I have some amazing photos of the Vietnam Memorial from Memorial Day/Rolling Thunder a couple years ago.
Our favorite is probably the Jefferson during cherry blossom season. It's utterly breathtaking and fortunately we can go at any time, right when the blossoms peak. It's hard to really predict peak, although "they" do every year. It's a play it by ear thing.
Predicting peak blossoms is like predicting the length of Kate's "mine all mine" hair from day to day.

LaLaLandNoMore said...

Angie, agree with everything you wrote about Kate. I feel quite sure that Jody and Beth saw and felt that terrible meanness that just pored out of Kate on those rolls of film. She envisioned herself and herself alone as the "stah." May I suggest that she is probably depressed beyond belief that she is still not on tv in a staring role? I'm sure most of us here will see the "proof in the pudding" when those 8 kids are out on their own. Some will cling to her out of habit, but I predict that most will "run for the hills." Jon and Kate were both very immature to be having so many children, but as we saw, whatever Kate wants, she has. Thus, the huge attention grabbing family with the tv show. Now, she gets attention for all the wrong reasons. No sympathy coming from me. I don't like braggerts and mean people. Avoid them like the plague.

Tucker's Mom said...

DH works in Arlington and he can tell you any day there's a high-level burial because they get a fly over. He got a great view of the space shuttle fly overs too!
I even got a sighting standing on my street ;-)

AuntieAnn said...

angie said... 48

Meat slicers are very difficult to handle, youmust absolutely focus.

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That meat slicer purchase is quite significant.

Bringing something over from the previous thread that I wanted to respond to:


Audible Click said...

Kate needs to admit that WE live in her head and admit her obsession with 15 Minutes.
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Audible Click - You are right. She feeds on 15 Minutes and then digests it in her own peculiar way. Just like she needs a handler like Steve to keep her in check and just like she needed Jon to rein her in ("pull the stick out, Kate") or show her how to pick out a decent wardrobe, she needs her 'haters' to advise her. God knows her sheeple can't help her so she turns to us then uses what we say as a stimulus for what her next move should be. It's an ideal set-up for a narcissist. She gets attention, guidance, parenting tips and a plethora of other ideas and doesn't have to deal with a single person one on one.

Buying the biggest, shiniest, better-than-yours meat slicer was a catty "fuck you-I'll show you what I can do" ploy she pulled because she thinks it will make everyone angry or jealous. But it doesn't make anyone jealous it just makes her look more pathetic and really, really stupid. She needs to realize she'd do so much better if she actually would pull the stick out and LEARN something from what we say.

Once a Viewer said...

Thanks for the new FW post, admin. I love the more recent photo, and yes, the four of them look like they are very happy. Whitney looks like Juanita. I wouldn't have recognized any of them. Hopefully the same will be true of the Gosselins one day.

I'm glad to know the B family became prosperous enough to take a vacation like that. And it wasn't b/c of the documentary, but Juanita's and Darrel's hard work.

Darrel was not always likeable but you could tell he loved those girls, joking with them, letting Abby 'look after' him when J was the wedding shower, telling Audrey a goofy story.

I do own the 2 disc set and it is well-worth it- lend it to friends! I have watched it several times.

Sassy Lassy said...

Permanent Name in Blue said... 53

Aggiemom,

My parents are buried at Arlington, and my DH's parents are in Camp Butler cemetery.

The national cemeteries are beautiful and honorable. I'm in awe each time I visit.

The funerals are such beautiful and reverent affairs. The 21 gun salute makes me cry...

In fact, I'm tearing up now. The national cemeteries truly show respect and honor to those who have served.

The entire cemetery is like entering a church. They're kept maintained with military precision.

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Amen, Permanent.

Whenever we are in Washington, D.C. we always pay a visit to Arlington Cemetary.

We go to witness it's beauty, and pay homage
to the astounding amount of brave souls that are buried there.

It's a very humbling & educational experience.

Thank you, and God bless you to all the military families that have sacrificed their lives for our freedom.

She's come undone said...

I'm just bowled over with Kate still lying about custody and CS. One thin I totally agree with her about (please don't shoot me!) is "why do you care?". Well, Kate, if you didn't run to your attorney to put a spin on what happened to benefit only you, no one would care. Her attorney started all this shit by putting that info out there, but by saying Kate is the sole support of her children is false, a bald faced lie.

Admin, is there nothing Jon can do legally since this lie was first stated? Can he not do something, anything to let the truth be known? I mean, I realize he has taken the high road and been silent about what happened, but doesn't there come. Time when he needs to speak up? And I don't believe tht he shouldn't do it because of the kids. Are you kidding me? Those kids are not stupid, they know first hand what a lying, mean bitch she is.

Tucker's Mom said...

This is one of my faves from the Vietnam Memorial. The boys are really seeing the names and know that each etching was a real person who lived. The intent glances, the somberness from such young'uns, the touching of the mirror-like wall.
The wall looks right back and touches you with its unyielding truth.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/11055869@N02/2524514092/in/pool-dcist/

Sorry not clicky, you have to cut and paste.

Luke's Mom said...

My children and I have helped lay Christmas wreaths with the group Wreaths Across America at Arlington National Cemetary for years.

Please check out their website - http://www.wreathsacrossamerica.org/

It is a wonderful organization that helps honor and remember all the brave service men and women who gave their lives for our safety and freedon.

A Mom said...

BREAKING NEWS: Neil Armstrong Dead At Age 82

Call Me Crazy said...

I hope anyone who gets an opportunity to visit Arlington will do so. Permanent Name summed it up perfectly when she described the reverent atmosphere.

My grandmother was buried at Arlington, and it was the most moving and touching ceremony you could ever imagine. Everything is carried out with dignity and respect. Hearing the gun salute and standing there looking out on all the graves, I was filled with an overwhelming sense of gratitude for all those who served and serve our country in the military.

It is a very special place.

Tucker's Mom said...

A Mom said... 68
BREAKING NEWS: Neil Armstrong Dead At Age 82
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May you take on giant leap into Heaven. God's speed, Mr. Armstrong.

readerlady said...

Angie 48 -- I agree with everything you said,except that Jon did not ignore C's pain. He tried to console him but C wanted his mommy. When a kid is sick or in pain,no matter how much they love their daddy, only mommy will do. KK ignored him, then compared him to an antelope when he tried to sit on her lap. Jon is the one who finally did something to relieve his pain, even if it was in the back of the van with the TV cameras in the background.

I'm jellus that y'all have been able to watch this show "The Farmer's Wife". For some reason, I can't watch You Tube videos. They keep buffering and buffering and buffering and it becomes very annoying after a while. Watch about 60 seconds, then buffer, watch about 60 seconds etc., etc., etc. I've requested it from the library, but it hasn't arrived yet.

An era has ended. Neil Armstrong, the first man on the moon, has taken that last small step this afternoon. RIP Mr. Armstrong.

Kate is a twit said...

So Kate didn't answer any question regarding CS-just said what her lawyer said(which did not address CS) was true. So Kate just ends it there, and still doesn't answer the question.

"my atty said it. Why still discussing? Please end it."

One of the "haters" asked one of the "sheeple" why Kate's attorney would speak to ROL?

"What about attorneys to talk to Radar on Line? LOLOL"

The sheeple spin was--

"I wud think/guess. K's att had courts permissin 2 make statment"

They won't believe anything about 50/50 custody-but will believe that the court gave permission for Kate's lawyer to speak to ROL.

Sheeple logic at it's best.

Rhymes with Witch said...

Time when he needs to speak up? And I don't believe tht he shouldn't do it because of the kids. 65.

Maybe Jon thinks that the people who need to know the truth already do and maybe, just maybe, he has a tenuous truce with Kate that he
doesn't want to shatter. As you noted, she is a mean bitch.

Kate is a twit said...

RIP Neil Armstrong.

Kate is a twit said...

In my comment #72, where I put CS, I meant custody, NOT child support. Sorry....

Sassy Lassy said...

A Mom said... 68

BREAKING NEWS: Neil Armstrong Dead At Age 82

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Awwwwww- how sad.

First man to step on the moon, a true American hero to many (including myself).

Rest in Peace, Mr. Armstrong.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

It's annoying that Kate is fine to talk about custody when Jon didn't have much, now that he has more all of a sudden it's none of our business. I just try to remember it's about the kids having a better arrangement and not about Kate admitting it.

Miss Marple said...

Kate's twitter followers will believe anything she says. They are STUPID.

Definition of STUPID: Knowing the truth, seeing the truth and still believing the lies.

Tucker's Mom said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 77
It's annoying that Kate is fine to talk about custody when Jon didn't have much, now that he has more all of a sudden it's none of our business. I just try to remember it's about the kids having a better arrangement and not about Kate admitting it.
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I think it truly rocks Kate's world to be questioned with reality. She's in her own Kate bubble where Kate's narrative prevails. It doesn't matter if it's true, what matters is what she believes.
It not even that Kate tries to lie, it's that she gets undone by anyone questioning her reality. And it's now "how dare you", it's more like Kate can not comprehend the masses of people who say "hmmm" and know that 2 plus 2 does not equal 5. In Kate's world, 2 plus 2 equals 4.
When she said she doesn't get it, I think for once, she told the absolute truth.
I really do wonder what happened to her to make her this way.

Michelle said...

Admin, is there nothing Jon can do legally since this lie was first stated? Can he not do something, anything to let the truth be known? I mean, I realize he has taken the high road and been silent about what happened, but doesn't there come. Time when he needs to speak up? And I don't believe tht he shouldn't do it because of the kids. Are you kidding me? Those kids are not stupid, they know first hand what a lying, mean bitch she is.
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I don't see what it gains Jon to discuss this. If he has the kids 50% of the time and isn't paying Kate, what should he care what the handful of us still interested in the Gosselins think. Anyone who means anything to Jon and the kids knows the truth. I hope Jon is finally reaching the point in his life where he realizes that's all that matters. Let Kate have her 6 fawning sheeple think she's the sole supporting supermom. In the end, what difference does it make in the day to day lives of Jon and the kids what those handful of sheeple believe. They will never believe anything other than Kate The Supermom so why waste one minute of his life trying to justify his place in his kids' lives to them. Just live it and do it which he did by shutting down his Twitter and hopefully no more interviews!

Rhymes with Witch said...

I really do wonder what happened to her to make her this way 79

I don't know, but TLC helped her make it into a fine art. Not just the grifting, but I believe in the earlier years they edited OUT a lot
of her nastier behavior, which allowed her to continue, and I believe, escalate it, not to mention spinning her image. Here's Kate's world
and welcome to it.

When that bubble finally bursts, look out.

Not blue said...

This is the only place where it states that Jon has 50/50 custody. I think it is time to face facts and admit it just isn't so.

Think of it this way. If Jon could not afford the 1200 dollar a month support he was making he certainly cannot afford to have the kids half the time.

Kate is a twit said...

Michelle said... 80

Michelle, I couldn't agree with you more. Thank you for putting my thoughts so eloquently into words.

Parent In Lancaster County said...


I'll be having a rumspringa drink for all of you at my reunion tonight.

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That sounds so good. It's hot and humid here and an ice cold Rumspringa on the rocks would be perfect right now. I have an idea. For our next party, we should all meet at the Lancaster Rumspringa Brewing Company -- rent out the place, have meat and cheese plates and sample every Rumspringa they have to offer! If you don't like Rumspringa, there's also a nice selection of wine...something for everyone, including horse and buggy rides.

Have fun at your reunion in your new silver slippers!

Boston Bonnie said...

Arlington is beautiful. The tomb of the unknown soldier with the
eternal guard will make your arm hairs stand up. From JFK's grave you
overlook all of DC. 42

The respect that the people guarding the Tomb of the Unknown is incredible. You can hear a pin drop while everyone is there watching the changing the guard.

The Viet Nam Memorial also left me speechless. I had tears in my eyes the last time I went. There was a man there who was a Vietnam Vet who had lost his reading glasses. I gave him my readers and with tears rolling down his face he located a friends name etched on the wall and ran his fingers across the name. His pain was evident and the loss still felt even all these years later. I was humbled to have given him my glasses, a small gesture for such a huge sacrifice.

Remona Blue said...

Rhymes with Witch said... 73 Time when he needs to speak up? And I don't believe tht he shouldn't do it because of the kids. 65.
''Maybe Jon thinks that the people who need to know the truth already do and maybe, just maybe, he has a tenuous truce with Kate that he
doesn't want to shatter. As you noted, she is a mean bitch.''
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Once Jon's short wild time after leaving Kate was over, and he got his wits about him, he made a public apology and said he would live with the guilt the rest of his life. Since that time, Jon has said more than once that the people who matter know the truth.

I totally agree that Jon knows more than anyone what a mean bitch Kate is, and realizes that there is no point to setting her off into nunu land by forcing her to admit that he now has 50/50 custody, and that is why he no longer has to pay child support.

Outside observers would really like seeing Kate have to eat dirt (me included) BUT none of us have to deal with Kate in real life. Jon and the kids do.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Maybe Kate is more stable when she thinks everyone believes she has full custody. In that sense maybe it's just better the sheep just keep thinking that. It really doesn't matter what they think, the kids will still get to be with Jon.

Remona Blue said...

Miss Marple said... 78
''Kate's twitter followers will believe anything she says. They are STUPID.
Definition of STUPID: Knowing the truth, seeing the truth and still believing the lies.''
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I think that both Kate and her followers are a textbook example of Cognitive Dissonance

Parent In Lancaster County said...

This is the only place where it states that Jon has 50/50 custody. I think it is time to face facts and admit it just isn't so.

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The fact that Kate won't admit it is even more reason to believe that it IS so. Otherwise, she'd dismiss it as nonsense. Kate cannot relieve Jon of paying child support in PA. The courts have to do that and the fans are incapable of understanding PA child support laws. If there was no split custody, do you actually think Kate would say that she didn't want support? That ain't happening. She does not want her fans thinking that she is no longer the struggling single mom whose husband has the kids every other weekend. It would throw a monkey wrench into the whole "I do everything for my kids" spiel if fans know that he has equal custody, making him equally responsible for their support.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

By the way is Jamie Oliver still trying to reform school lunches? I loved what he was doing and I wanted to chow down some of his recipes.

Once a Viewer said...

I loved that doc!( I am a doc person for sure!) Remember when he had the students add the ingredients of what was it, a milkshake? Included human hair & bugs?

Was reading Mississippi is the 'fattest' state in the US!

readerlady: I just know you will enjoy The Farmer's Wife. Hopei t comes in soon! I'd love to hear your comments.

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Miss Marple said... 78

Kate's twitter followers will believe anything she says. They are STUPID.

Definition of STUPID: Knowing the truth, seeing the truth and still believing the lies.

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Love is blind.

There comes a time when being loyal just for the sake of being loyal is foolish- and it makes you look as dumb as a pile of rocks.

Surely, after a while, a light bulb has to turn on in your head...

Over In Kate's County said...

Surely, after a while, a light bulb has to turn on in your head...

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Only if there's an energy source there!

Kate is a twit said...

I see Shana Aborn has a new column on Babble.com about Kate answering questions on Kate's website. Most of Shana's articles about Kate are taken from Kate's website or Kate's CC blog.

I wonder if Kate knows that Shana copies and pastes stuff directly from either of Kate's blogs, thus enabling people to get the story without giving Kate's sites any hits. I wouldn't think Kate would be too happy about that.

Kate is a twit said...

One of the comments on the babble.com article, sums up Kate pretty well:

"I don’t get it. Out of curiousity, I have been reading Kate’s twitter; and, honestly this woman does not have a life! What could “fans” actually be curious about. She seems to not go anywhere, do anything, does not contribute in any form to society. She only seems to tweet when she has received something, organized or cleaned somthing.. going on about Coffee Mate and coffee? Claiming a family of nine uses 120 rolls of toilet paper in 2 weeks?!! Why not tweeting about adventures, places to go, things to do? Why are most of her pictures of medicore food she has made. And the big question..WHY DO ‘FANS” FIND THIS INTERESTING?! She does not even have any comments regarding world events. All about Kate, I cleaned something. I cooked somthing. I ran. Please! She obviously continues to be out there, because she is among the many train wrecks that are clogging the internet. Kate .. GET A LIFE!"

Barb In Nebraska said...

One thing I noticed with the Popchip's video is all the women dancing and having a good time together. Kate, not so much. She's all alone.

I heard about Blogher convention many years ago from one of my favorite Mom Blogger. Othejoys.blogspot.com She put together a party to met all of her blogger friends. Blogging can be lonely, especially when you don't always get feedback.

http://othejoys.blogspot.com/2012/07/once-upon-blogger.html

Has anyone ever heard about Dooce? This is what I thought Kate would try to do, but Kate is not a good writer. Dooce lives off of her blog. Her husband quit his job to manage the sponsors.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dooce

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Parent in Lancaster I completely agree with you.

Kate had a golden opportunity to clear everything up today and instead she panicked and referred us to statement from her attorney that never once said anything about custody and instead addressed child support, which was not the sheeples' question. That's all I need to know right there.

Not blue said...

Miss Marple said... 78

Kate's twitter followers will believe anything she says. They are STUPID.

Definition of STUPID: Knowing the truth, seeing the truth and still believing the lies.

Miss Marple, I could change a few words in your statement and reflect them back on you but I won't.

Admin, I am not saying that Kate has full custody. Kate has primary physical custody and Jon has visitation. Kate has said in the past that Jon sees the kids 4 days a month and is welcome to see them more. Jon does not have the kids half the time. You berate Kate for not coming out again and stating this. How about Jon making a statement?

I think Jon is embarrassed after his Star interview where the truth has come out that he does not pay c/s anymore after he whined about not being able to afford both housing and supporting his kids.



Tamara said...

Barb, isn't that the second or third video Khate participated in where's she the only one all alone?

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Not Blue how do you know that? Who is your source, Kate? Then why didn't Kate just say that as clearly as you did today? Instead she cowered away, told people it was none of their business, and directed us to her attorney. Since when has she ever suggested this wasnt our business? 't you have a source we can verify? By all means please email me. My verified source told me otherwise, PA LAW tells me other wise, basic common sense reading of PA law tells me otherwise. I respect your perspective though, you are welcome to have it, but I believe it to be incorrect, though it doesn't matter since I know the kids are with Jon 50% now and that's all that matters.


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Admin, does anyone know how much he owes? Is it $100 or $1,000? Would everyone understand that if you explained it, how he is default in having paid on time?

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If you google around a bit you will see a lot of yahoo answers questions and forums from disgruntled men in PA explaining how the PA system always shows they are behind on support, routinely miscalculates, doesn't kick in right away (so if you were ordered support in September you may not be billed for the first time until November, which results in you being hopelessly behind right out of the gate), etc. That said I believe he does have some back payments to catch up on but I don't know the story behind it. Also, I don't know if this was an issue in this case, but I can tell you that in CA, attorneys sometimes advise clients not to pay their support order if for instance they're about to contest it or something. Once things are straightened out though this may result in arrears. Anyway long story short there are all kinds of reasons there are issues with support that don't necessarily mean Dad is a deadbeat.

To the person who suggested how can Jon not afford a big support order but afford to have the kids in his actual custody, well here's a wild idea. Maybe Jon doesn't spend wildly on them. It's surely possibly to raise kids on that money, plus the other money he has coming in, if you are smart about it. We here things like Jon was out at the park, or at some festival employee party thing....all things that are probably free. It is possible to raise kids in a way where you are not blowing money out your ears, k?

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

You berate Kate for not coming out again and stating this. How about Jon making a statement?

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Neither of them has to comment either way. But when Kate commented she avoided the question. So if she is choosing to comment, yes I'm going to "berate" her for avoiding the question.

It's really simple, neither of them need make any statements about custody to anyone, and then we won't have anything much more to say.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

I love that part in Taking Chance where he is driving and other people on the road notice him and they all slow down, turn on their lights, and create an impromptu funeral caravan behind him.

It was so moving, random Americans of all kinds all sort of banding together to pay respect.

meagler said...

ooo Admin, you said this post was a little late coming due to some other Kate-ish stuff happening... so do you have little something you are working on????lol..

I agree Admin, its about the kids having more time with Jon, then it is about kate admitting it. BUT.. it sure would be nice if she could admit to it :)

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...


This is from a fan. LOL

Lily ‏@LilyatIW
@Kateplusmy8 @TrippenIn @msgoody2shoes21 I guess some (like me) r interested bcuz I've heard u discuss on nat tv & ur Att made pub

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Haha. Good job fan.

Had Kate made it her policy never to discuss it, okay fine then it's not fair game. But you don't get to pick and choose when you will discuss it then expect to bow out and not want to discuss it when suddenly the news isn't so good for you. Bitch please.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Those payments will soon end meaning that Kate is the sole supporter of the parties’ children.”

Admin or anyone, can you explain this to me? If the custody is 50/50, then they both support the kids. This sounds like Jon pays nothing and doesn't support them in any way.
I'm confused!

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Any which way you slice it it's bullshit.

Even assuming the worst, if Jon only had them one day a month, he is still supporting them on that day and therefore, Kate is NOT the sole supporter. You still have to feed them, house them, care for them, pay for whatever they need on that day--you are supporting them. Mom may not like it, but you are.

Four days is even more, and 50% is even more. Attorneys are usually obligated under their ethical rules not to lie, though I would have to look at PA ethical canons. The only way this could be true is if Jon never had his kids. And she isn't suggesting that his parental rights were terminated, so that's not it.

Not blue said...

It's really simple, neither of them need make any statements about custody to anyone, and then we won't have anything much more to say

Admin, can I take from that statement you wrote that you are not going to mention custody arrangements on here anymore?

Kate is not responding and Jon has disappeared. Can the subject be dropped?

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Not blue it probably can be dropped if neither of them are going to say anything more about it. Neither side is going to convince the other.

I guess you could read that attorney's statements to mean that WHEN Kate has the kids, she is the sole supporter, which is true. But she conveniently leaves out that when JON has the kids, he too is the sole supporter. They both are!

I don't know what's so hard to understand that when it's 50-50 neither owes the other anything.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Oh not to mention if my attorney even suggested we should make a statement to Radar online I would fire them on...the....SPOT.

If you MUST make a statement issue your own press release. But to run crying to Radar? Really?

Over In Kate's County said...

You berate Kate for not coming out again and stating this. How about Jon making a statement?

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Nobody asked Jon. They asked Kate. She refused to answer. It was Kate's attorney that made the statement on ROL, not Jon's attorney. She opened this whole thing up to speculation when her attorney said that Jon is no longer paying child support.

I just don't know why the fans cannot understand the child support and child custody laws. Kate cannot relieve Jon of child support. This is done through the courts. The ONLY way this could be done is with court approval, with the courts being assured that the kids will be well provided for. If he's contributing half, and she's contributing half, then yes, he does not have to pay her anything.

"Jon does not have the kids half the time"

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How do you know that Jon does not have the kids half the time? Proof? Have you seen documentation that shows no change in custody has taken place?

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

I used to live a ten minute walk from Arlington in Rosslyn, over by the WW2 Iwo Jima memorial. What a privilege that was. I think I took more photographs in just a few months than I did all year. I visited Arlington several times. If I could move back there I'd live in the Arlington area again.

missing the point said...

Jon ran to Star with his interview.
He never said in that interview he had the kids 50/50 or even more.
He said he couldn't pay support and keep his house at the same time.
Because of that interview Kate's attorney was able to make the comment in the same venue.
Kate's attorney never would have done it otherwise.
You should know how this works admin.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Actually Missing the Point I completely agree with you and if you read my post I have said very clearly in the past that Jon allegedly made a statement to Star first, which resulted in Kate's attorney responding.

Neither of them should have said a thing but it is 100% true that Jon said something first. Though didn't your mom ever tell you "he did it first" is no excuse?

I'm not missing the point, I am in agreement with exactly how it went down.

Tamara said...

Admin, were in you in Roslyn pre or post Newseum move?

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Tamara, pre!

missing the point said...

Then you would also know that Kate can't say anything about custody unless Jon says there's been a change first.
Jon didn't do that in his Star interview.
I wonder why not.....
Could it be because its not true and it only turned into a fact here.

Not blue said...

I just don't know why the fans cannot understand the child support and child custody laws. Kate cannot relieve Jon of child support. This is done through the courts. The ONLY way this could be done is with court approval, with the courts being assured that the kids will be well provided for. If he's contributing half, and she's contributing half, then yes, he does not have to pay her anything.

"Jon does not have the kids half the time"

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How do you know that Jon does not have the kids half the time? Proof? Have you seen documentation that shows no change in custody has taken place?

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Did you ever stop to think that maybe the court did give its approval for Kate to be the sole support? Did you ever stop to think that maybe, just maybe Kate relieved Jon from c/s because she saw him struggling? Maybe she saw that it hurt the kids to see him like that.

Have you seen documentation that shows a change in custody has taken place?



Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Not blue it has nothing to do with Kate being allowed to relieve Jon of support. She's not allowed to do that. Please familiarize yourself with PA law to understand this. The court must find it's in the children's best interest. I can tell you right now it's the rare case where a court would ever find this. Court like to hold fathers accountable. I have only seen it for incarcerated fathers, or dead ones.

If in some parallel universe that happened, it would be accurate to say the court relieved him of it and she did not fight it, but she has never put it this way.

How do you explain how Kate, who claims she struggles with these kids, all of a sudden has no issues never receiving child support.
I file this under:
#Things that don't add up.

I see though we're not going to change your mind so let's move on!

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Could it be because its not true and it only turned into a fact here.


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Could it be because he thinks it's none of your business? Could it be because he loves his kids more than he hates Kate and doesn't want to make Kate look like a fool? Hmm, maybe that's it.

Localyocul said...

I've had a child custody arrangement in PA for 13 years. WHenever my ex loses his job which is about every other year, he takes me back to modify the order. The master calcualtes it based on his unemployment but says of course you can agree to less if you both agree. Only one time did I not agree to less, but never to zero. I remember one time I offered to make it half (which was already very little) and he had a fit because he couldn't afford "anything". I didn't budge, he appealed, and it stayed where I agreed. Now, the Master did not say no you cannot agree to zero but she didn't say I could either. I do know you can negotiate it.

What about divorce decrees where the child support is figured out privately and it does not go through Domestic Relations? If you already have a child support arrangement can you withdraw your case if you were the plaintiff? I don't know. I tried to look it up and could not get a clear answer.

missing the point said...

Admin, has it ever occurred to you that IF your 'inside source' was actually telling you the truth about custody that Jon would be in contempt of a court order for letting it get out on a public blog.
That that is the only reason your 'inside source' has been able to continue with this nonsense.

Over In Kate's County said...

Did you ever stop to think that maybe the court did give its approval for Kate to be the sole support? Did you ever stop to think that maybe, just maybe Kate relieved Jon from c/s because she saw him struggling?

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Kate cannot, under PA law relieve Jon of support payments because she saw him struggling. What is so difficult to understand about that? The problem here is that the fans cannot understand child support laws, or that they REFUSE to even try to understand them. The courts have to be assured that the kids will be provided for. Kate is unemployed. No court is going to give approval for an unemployed single mother to be the sole support of eight kids unless there has been a change in custody and therefore they can be assured that the father is likewise taking responsibility.

You made a statement that Jon does not have the kids half the time? You refuse to answer how you know that to be true. I didn't make a statement to the effect that Jon has split custody, only that in order to have Jon relieved from support payments, it had to go through the courts. Kate alone could not do this out of the goodness of her heart simply because she saw him struggling and it might effect the kids. It doesn't work that way.

Kate won't answer. She had the perfect chance today to end all speculation. She didn't.

Over In Kate's County said...


I see though we're not going to change your mind so let's move on!

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Amen to that. It's like banging your head against the wall. There is nothing that is going to make them understand PA child support/custody laws. It will all come out in the wash -- eventually! :-

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Missing the Point, I have no idea if the court ordered them not to discuss the custody arrangement. In fact I think there probably was no such order given that both Kate and Jon have made many statements about custody. Also if you recall the recent People article, they stated Jon has "plenty" of time with his 8 children. I hardly would call 4 days a month plenty. Seems to me plenty means what it means--PLENTY.

Also have you ever stopped to consider that I practice family laws and hear orders not to discuss the case all the time, and yet all the time, parents do? It happens and rarely do the courts do much more than slap you on the wrist. And if no one bothers to complain to the court about it, you won't even get that. Now please move on.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

The master calcualtes it based on his unemployment but says of course you can agree to less if you both agree.

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He may have said that but by law, it is very clear he is still obligated to consider the best interest of your children.

butterfly said...

Is it a full moon tonight? Oh I know, a couple of sheeple have returned from their vacations and are on the attack!! LOL
Well, looks like 'Not Blue' loves the Kool-Aid Kate is handing out- she really believes Jon and Kate don't have 50/50 custody. Keep drinking, Not Blue, we know what happens when you drink too much Kool-Aid. And "Can the subject be dropped?"- More like, Can you SCROLL??
Buh BYE, sheeple.

Kristine (OG in Black) said...

I am also in agreeance (Hee, re: Jon) with Admin. & Missing!

It is also possible that Jon was not in arrears when he said he was on-time with his CS, several months ago. It may be, that he found himself behind on payments shortly thereafter-- and that past due amount was what he was/is paying off just recently. Who knows for certain what ALL the exact facts are? Things can happen on a daily basis. I don't expect Jon to announce it to the world, every time something changes with his custody or support, as he now tends to be more private when speaking about his children. Kate's Attorney, Cheryl Young is a real a-hole in her statements... that's clear as day. Those two Lil' B's are perfect for one another. Forget the Reality Dating Show, Kate... Here she is! Cheryl has a great job- and just think of the money you would save on legal fees, if you hooked up with Atty. Young or one of her "Partners". The potential legal freebies you could grift might stop Gosselin Book from being revealed, that is for certain.

Hey, what's the status on GosselinBook.com anyway? Any news?

Where is Jon hiding? said...

Did I hit a nerve Admin? Come on, legitimate question and opinion.

Twittering And Twattering said...

kateplusmy8
@siggyelizabeth thanks guys. I know and I appreciate it muchly (lol)


Muchly? Much is already an adverb. No need to add an "ly." How does she come up with these archaic words? Muchly, agreeance...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Where, your question borders on libel and will not be discussed here.

Sue Buddy said...

The thing I'm really questioning is Kate absolving Jon of child support now AND in the future:
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Cheryl Young has represented Kate in her ongoing legal battle with her ex-husband, and she told RadarOnline.com that Jon no longer has to pay a penny to Kate, 37, for their eight children.

"I read Jon’s statement on RadarOnline.com and was quite surprised to read that he claims to be struggling to keep his child support payments current. As of April 27, 2012, Kate voluntarily relieved Jon of all current and future child support obligations for their eight children," she said.


http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/08/kate-gosselin-jon-gosselin-child-support

Kate's fans want to believe Kate is being kind and generous to Jon because he's struggling but that wouldn't explain why she is ending all child support forever. Things change.

Makes sense said...

Let's look at this in a reasonable way;
Kate is always with the kids Jon is not.
Kate doesn't complain about clothing and feeding the children Jon does.
Kate makes sure the kids have food in their bellies and a roof over their heads Jon complained that he can't afford his rent.
Kate talks on Twitter about the day to day things that she does for or with the kids Jon doesn't.
which makes more sense Kate has the kids more, financially supports them Jon doesn't have them very much more than the four days a month that Kate said.

Twittering And Twattering said...

Butterly, 126

Is it a full moon tonight?

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Nope. Not until next week!

"Oh I know, a couple of sheeple have returned from their vacations and are on the attack!! LOL"

Sheeple go on vacation? You mean the grass is greener in another pasture?

butterfly said...

Twittering And Twattering said... 133


Funny!! :)

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Kate is always with the kids Jon is not.
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Huh? Proof?
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Kate doesn't complain about clothing and feeding the children Jon does.
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Are we reading the same twitter account? This is all she complains about not to mention all the other expenses associated with kids.

Kate makes sure the kids have food in their bellies and a roof over their heads Jon complained that he can't afford his rent.
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When has Jon never not put a roof over their heads and food in their bellies?

Kate talks on Twitter about the day to day things that she does for or with the kids Jon doesn't.
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Um, wow, no words. It's not appropriate to talk about the day to day things you do with your damn children on your damn children account? Good lord.

which makes more sense Kate has the kids more, financially supports them Jon doesn't have them very much more than the four days a month that Kate said.
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Proof?

Makes sense are you being intentionally obtuse?

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Kate is always with the kids Jon is not.
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Huh? Proof?
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Kate doesn't complain about clothing and feeding the children Jon does.
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Are we reading the same twitter account? This is all she complains about not to mention all the other expenses associated with kids.

Kate makes sure the kids have food in their bellies and a roof over their heads Jon complained that he can't afford his rent.
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When has Jon never not put a roof over their heads and food in their bellies?

Kate talks on Twitter about the day to day things that she does for or with the kids Jon doesn't.
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Um, wow, no words. It's not appropriate to talk about the day to day things you do with your damn children on your damn children account? Good lord.

which makes more sense Kate has the kids more, financially supports them Jon doesn't have them very much more than the four days a month that Kate said.
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Proof?

Makes sense are you being intentionally obtuse?

Where is Jon hiding? said...

With all due respect Admin that is not libel. that is my opinion and my opinion only It is not libel and you must know that.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Actually, opinions are not universally protected from libel whatsoever, especially when you are suggesting something as serious as you are.

Please go read some books about this, they explain it better. My blog, my rules, too.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Actually, opinions are not universally protected from libel whatsoever, especially when you are suggesting something as serious as you are.

Please go read some books about this, they explain it better. My blog, my rules, too.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Can my opinion be defamatory?

No—but merely labeling a statement as your "opinion" does not make it so. Courts look at whether a reasonable reader or listener could understand the statement as asserting a statement of verifiable fact. (A verifiable fact is one capable of being proven true or false.) This is determined in light of the context of the statement. A few courts have said that statements made in the context of an Internet bulletin board or chat room are highly likely to be opinions or hyperbole, but they do look at the remark in context to see if it's likely to be seen as a true, even if controversial, opinion ("I really hate George Lucas' new movie") rather than an assertion of fact dressed up as an opinion ("It's my opinion that Trinity is the hacker who broke into the IRS database").


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If this is too hard for you to understand I'm sure the lovely ladies here can explain it to you. Otherwise buzz off.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Can my opinion be defamatory?

No—but merely labeling a statement as your "opinion" does not make it so. Courts look at whether a reasonable reader or listener could understand the statement as asserting a statement of verifiable fact. (A verifiable fact is one capable of being proven true or false.) This is determined in light of the context of the statement. A few courts have said that statements made in the context of an Internet bulletin board or chat room are highly likely to be opinions or hyperbole, but they do look at the remark in context to see if it's likely to be seen as a true, even if controversial, opinion ("I really hate George Lucas' new movie") rather than an assertion of fact dressed up as an opinion ("It's my opinion that Trinity is the hacker who broke into the IRS database").


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If this is too hard for you to understand I'm sure the lovely ladies here can explain it to you. Otherwise buzz off.

mscatie said...

"As of April 27, 2012, Kate voluntarily relieved Jon of all current and future child support obligations for their eight children," she said."
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Excellent point and good catch, Sue. WHY would Kate absolve Jon of CS payments FOREVER? Something fishy here...

Makes sense said...

I would love a respectful debate but all you are doing is deflecting my questions one by one and not answering them

Remona Blue said...

Makes sense said... 132 Let's look at this in a reasonable way;
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There is not one single ''reasonable'' statement in your comments. Period!

Makes sense said...

Q - Can my opinion be defamatory?

A - No

I rest my case

Sue Buddy said...

Mscatie, I agree, something fishy. This is from a different ROL article:


The former Kate Plus 8 star's camp bit back claiming that as she relieved her ex-husband of child support obligations then she has the right – and the need – to go back to work.

"Currently, he is only paying a small amount on arrears for support that was not paid prior to the April date when she dropped support. Those payments will soon end meaning that Kate is the sole supporter of the parties’ children," her attorney, Cheryl Young told RadarOnline.com.


http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/08/kate-gosselin-red-hot-skin-tight-dress-rumors-reality-dating-show

So she "needs" to go back to work, yet she absolves Jon of child support forever?

Whete is Jon? said...

Thank you Makes sense!

Makes sence said...

You are welcome Where. I actually could.agree with you since it seems Jon has disappeared.

Linda said...

Makes sense said... 132
Let's look at this in a reasonable way;
Kate is always with the kids Jon is not.
Kate doesn't complain about clothing and feeding the children Jon does.
Kate makes sure the kids have food in their bellies and a roof over their heads Jon complained that he can't afford his rent.
Kate talks on Twitter about the day to day things that she does for or with the kids Jon doesn't.
which makes more sense Kate has the kids more, financially supports them Jon doesn't have them very much more than the four days a month that Kate said.

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Is that you Kate??

By the way....GET A REAL JOB!

Jon is around said...

There have been at least three tweets of Jon sightings in public in the past week.

Remona Blue said...

Sue Buddy said... 131 The thing I'm really questioning is Kate absolving Jon of child support now AND in the future:
"I read Jon’s statement on RadarOnline.com and was quite surprised to read that he claims to be struggling to keep his child support payments current. As of April 27, 2012, Kate voluntarily relieved Jon of all current and future child support obligations for their eight children," she said.''
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I'm questioning that too, Sue Buddy. What would be the reason for Kate's attorney to say ''future child support obligations''? The reason I keep coming up with is that now that custody is 50/50 he would no longer need to pay child support. Do you have another explanation?

Is it time for the ignore bomb?

Doesn't Make Sense said...

For the amount of tweeting Kate does the sheeple should be embarrassed to insist the kids are always with her.

mscatie said...

"The former Kate Plus 8 star's camp bit back claiming that as she relieved her ex-husband of child support obligations then she has the right – and the need – to go back to work."
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Sue, this is the first time I've read this statement.

Hasn't Kate always had the "right" to go back to work? Unless it means TV work WITH the kids in tow. Did Jon agree to not block the kids being filmed? Luckily, it doesn't appear any network wants Kate & the kids anyway. Good thing for the kids...

Remona Blue said...

I believe that Jon said IF Kate had a show, they would discuss allowing the kids to be filmed. It was no skin off Jon's nose to say that, HE knows that Kate is never ever ever ever get another TV show, with or without the kids!!

mscatie said...

Another possibility...

Maybe Kate wants to be free to explore media gigs without fear of Jon filing motions for being an absentee mom. Then it would make sense that 50/50 custody was agreed upon and Jon would have kids when Kate is away doing whatever.

Tamara said...

"The former Kate Plus 8 star's camp bit back claiming that as she relieved her ex-husband of child support obligations then she has the right – and the need – to go back to work."
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From this it would seem that in Khate's Kamp the only definition of work is a television show? And I thought Khate has said she's been working all along?

Sue Buddy said...

Mscatie, Kate's attorney seems to have been responding to this from Jon: (with regard to the "need" to work")

However, as RadarOnline.com previously reported, Jon is far from happy that the mother of his kids is wanting to go back to the small screen instead of caring for her family.

"I think this is completely ridiculous! We have eight children and they need us, she is putting reality TV and dating in front of the kids who need to have their mother," he told Star magazine.


http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/08/kate-gosselin-red-hot-skin-tight-dress-rumors-reality-dating-show

Remona and mscatie, Kate's attorney talks as much gibberish as Kate.

Where is Jon hiding? said...

Jon is around said... 150
There have been at least three tweets of Jon sightings in public in the past week.

August 25, 2012 6:39 PM

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OoooKaaaay, pardon me if I ask for public sightings? And I did say at least weekends.

Twittering And Twattering said...

Is Not Blue, Where Is Jon Hiding, Missing the Point, Makes Sense, Whete Is Jon...the same poster? They're talking back and forth to themselves! lol!

"Kate talks on Twitter about the day to day things that she does for or with the kids Jon doesn't."

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Of course he doesn't! He made it quite clear when he opened his Twitter account that he will NOT discuss the kids, and therefore, don't ask!

Kate is constantly talking about how expensive things are. This seems to be her "platform" on Twitter. She thrives on it -- she's the poor struggling mom! Read her tweets, for gosh sakes!

"With all due respect Admin that is not libel. that is my opinion and my opinion only It is not libel and you must know that."

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Using "my opinion" is NOT a defense in a libel suit. No way, no how. The plaintiff would cut you to shreds in the deposition.

I don't think that obtuse is the word for this poster (s). It's more like imperceptive, slow on the uptake.

Sue made an excellent point. If Kate needs to find employment, then no court is going to relieve him of child support payments because they look out for the welfare of the kids. The "forever" thing is especially curious. Eventually the money she has stashed away is going to run out. If he never has to support those kids, and she is unemployed, who is going to take care of them? He must be contributing something in the form of more custody time. No court on this planet is going to agree to no support payment from the father if the mother is in NEED of finding a job, and especially not FOREVER.

Remona Blue said...

Tamara said... 156 "The former Kate Plus 8 star's camp bit back claiming that as she relieved her ex-husband of child support obligations then she has the right – and the need – to go back to work."
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Now my question is exactly who ''Kate Plus 8 star's camp'' is. Is the ''star's camp'' Kate? Kate's attorney? Kate's fans? Once I see exactly who is supposedly speaking, I can then attempt to figure out what was meant by the ''right and need'' to go back to what sort of work.

Attempting to make a lick of sense of anything coming from Kate or her ''camp'' is exhausting!!

mscatie said...

"Jon is far from happy that the mother of his kids is wanting to go back to the small screen instead of caring for her family."

"I think this is completely ridiculous! We have eight children and they need us, she is putting reality TV and dating in front of the kids who need to have their mother"
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Ah, ok that might make a little more sense.

"she is putting reality TV and dating"

It sounds like this refers to Kate wanting a dating show, doesn't it? Maybe Jon is concerned about kids not having at least one parent around & if Kate's going to be pursuing a TV career he wants the kids to legally be with him...not a nanny, etc.

Sue Buddy said...

mscatie said... 155
Another possibility...

Maybe Kate wants to be free to explore media gigs without fear of Jon filing motions for being an absentee mom. Then it would make sense that 50/50 custody was agreed upon and Jon would have kids when Kate is away doing whatever.
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That would mean Kate thinks she has a lot of media gigs to explore, wouldn't it? Is Kate basing a 50/50 split on something she's only "dreaming" will happen?

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

Makes sence said...

Whete is Jon said...
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Sheeple can't even spell their own IDs!

Sue Buddy said...

Twittering and Twattering said...No court on this planet is going to agree to no support payment from the father if the mother is in NEED of finding a job, and especially not FOREVER.

Exactly. So Kate's attorney has said Jon will pay no child support now and in future, and also said Kate NEEDS to work.

If ROL has it all wrong and has misquoted Kate's attorney somewhere, then we can't believe any of the statements coming from Kate's attorney at this point. Does Kate even know what was printed in ROL?

mscatie said...

That would mean Kate thinks she has a lot of media gigs to explore, wouldn't it? Is Kate basing a 50/50 split on something she's only "dreaming" will happen?
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LMAO! Hey, what can I say? We know Kate THINKS she can score big. Reality checks aren't part of her psychological makeup. But if/when she doesn't, I don't think it will upset her one bit that she has the kids only 50% of the time. She's already admitted that's all she wants them.

Where is Jon hiding? said...


Twittering And Twattering said... 159

Is Not Blue, Where Is Jon Hiding, Missing the Point, Makes Sense, Whete Is Jon...the same poster? They're talking back and forth to themselves! lol!

"Kate talks on Twitter about the day to day things that she does for or with the kids Jon doesn't."

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Of course he doesn't! He made it quite clear when he opened his Twitter account that he will NOT discuss the kids, and therefore, don't ask!

Kate is constantly talking about how expensive things are. This seems to be her "platform" on Twitter. She thrives on it -- she's the poor struggling mom! Read her tweets, for gosh sakes!

"With all due respect Admin that is not libel. that is my opinion and my opinion only It is not libel and you must know that."

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Using "my opinion" is NOT a defense in a libel suit. No way, no how. The plaintiff would cut you to shreds in the deposition.

I don't think that obtuse is the word for this poster (s). It's more like imperceptive, slow on the uptake.

Sue made an excellent point. If Kate needs to find employment, then no court is going to relieve him of child support payments because they look out for the welfare of the kids. The "forever" thing is especially curious. Eventually the money she has stashed away is going to run out. If he never has to support those kids, and she is unemployed, who is going to take care of them? He must be contributing something in the form of more custody time. No court on this planet is going to agree to no support payment from the father if the mother is in NEED of finding a job, and especially not FOREVER.
August 25, 2012 6:54 PM

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No, Twittering I am not the rest of those. Sorry, you'll just have to realize that there are more people who don't actually hate Kate as most of you here do.

As for the libel debate, if what you are saying is true then most here are more guilty of that towards Kate than anything I have said. LOL

Concerning 50/50 custody and Kate relieving Jon of custody I suggest you google PA law re that. And wouls also say that any court WOULD agree to it if Kate could show that she is able to care for their needs financially. Of course she will need to get a job and have some income at some point so she doesn't have to draw on her principals but i wager Kate is on top of things.

Sue Buddy said...

Agreed, mscate. I doubt the 50/50 split is a major concern. Her her spare time, Kate should find another attorney, one who won't talk to scummy tabloids.

Miss Marple said...

I think everybody should agree that no one besides Kate and Jon know what the custody arrangement is.

fidosmommy said...

Barb In Nebraska said... 97
One thing I noticed with the Popchip's video is all the women dancing and having a good time together. Kate, not so much. She's all alone.

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I also noticed she's completely anonymous. The average person watching that would not know that was Kate Gosselin, would they? And she is not included in the list of addresses at the very end either. Completely anonymous, the exact thing Kate does not want to be.

Griftopia said...

Makes Sense – are your statements based on any real, personal knowledge of the family, or are you drawing conclusions based solely on Kate’s tweets? Because it seems that all of your “reasonable” conclusions are based solely on the “information” Kate has provided in her endless tweeting. If this is your only source of information, your conclusions are faulty at best. Just because a parent doesn’t tweet the minutiae of his/her time with his/her kids, does not necessarily mean that that parent isn’t spending time with the kids, feeding/dressing them, or supporting them financially. Just as, just because a parent tweets endlessly about all she does for her kids, does not mean she’s actually doing all that she claims. I don’t tweet at all (I’m not even on twitter). Can you conclude that, because you have not read tweets about how well I clothe my kids or how full I make sure their bellies are, that I’m necessarily NOT doing those things? Unless you know Kate or Jon personally, and are privy to their interactions with and treatment of their kids, you really can’t draw the conclusions you have.

LBelle said...

Everyday reader, only my 2nd post though. LOVE this blog and all the regular posters ( sometimes you guys make me laugh so hard, I cry! )
Anyways...was just reading all about the support/custody, etc, views and I had a thought.
Could it be at all possible that Jon was relieved of his support order due to the fact that Kate herself does NOT support the 8, count them, 8 kids? It seems that pretty much anything and everything regarding money needed to support the G8 is allowed to be 'drawn' from the G8s' own bank accounts ( the paltry 15% that it is ).
If Kate can draw from those accounts for all their needs, then WTH would Jon not be afforded that same luxury? Maybe he does have the kids half the time ( sure hope so for their sanity! ) and maybe he doesn't but I'm wondering if the kids accounts have anything to do with the change in CS. Highly doubt that Kate would want her pathetic Sheeple to know that SHE does not support the kids either! She's such a money-hungry bitch to even consider raiding her own kids 'piggie banks'

Where is Jon hiding? said...

I couldn't agree more. But that would mean that Admin and others here will have to stop alluding to 50/50 custody as fact and somehow I don't see that happening, do you?
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Miss Marple said... 168

I think everybody should agree that no one besides Kate and Jon know what the custody arrangement is.
August 25, 2012 7:09 PM

Twittering And Twattering said...

Concerning 50/50 custody and Kate relieving Jon of custody I suggest you google PA law re that

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I don't need to google PA laws. I know them quite well without googling them, thank you, and that's all I'm going to say on that subject.

Makes sense said...

Griftopia I am drawing my conclusions same way you are; by what I see, hear, and read. As a matter fact I'm not even on Twitter.
You certainly can form am.opinion from those types of things. Especially if you're not jaded or biased.

Sorry Admin said...

Makes Sense, you're an idiot.

Makes sense said...

Well, that is hardly a mature answer. I think there's a rule about that. I didn't break any rules I just had a different opinion which I have been assured is welcome here.

mscatie said...

Agreed, mscate. I doubt the 50/50 split is a major concern. Her her spare time, Kate should find another attorney, one who won't talk to scummy tabloids.
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I just assumed it was Kate's idea for her lawyer to go to ROL to "set the record straight". That's Kate's way.

Why would her attorney care, or feel it proper and necessary to refute Jon in such a public way unless it was at Kate's urging?

Remona Blue said...

mscatie said... 177
''Why would her attorney care, or feel it proper and necessary to refute Jon in such a public way unless it was at Kate's urging?''
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mscatie, I smiled at your comment. We can all visualize Kate ''urging'' her attorney, can't we? I imagine the attorney was afraid if she didn't comment in a way that somehow shut Kate up, there would be hell to pay!! When I think of the effect Kate has on adults, my heart just aches for Kate's kids.

Sue Buddy said...

I just assumed it was Kate's idea for her lawyer to go to ROL to "set the record straight". That's Kate's way.

Why would her attorney care, or feel it proper and necessary to refute Jon in such a public way unless it was at Kate's urging?
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True. Maybe Kate insisted. It was a stupid thing to do. Why would a reputable attorney agree to that? If they were threatened to be fired maybe? It's all so strange.

Flight of the Kiwi said...

OK. Fess up. Who gave billy goat gruff the night off?

mscatie said...

Remona :)
We've seen Kate, more times than we can count, "urge" people to do it her way. Her lawyer is a paid employee in Kate's eyes and I would guess that provided additional leverage.

Twittering And Twattering said...

Regarding the money that is available for the kids in the DOL's decision, I believe that it fell short in one respect by making it all encompassing. Since PA has no accountability in regards to child support, that money is able to be taken out of that account for the children's safety, education, welfare and health. It's interesting that someone should mention that Kate indeed may be dipping into that account for all of those things simply because under the ruling she is allowed to do so without providing an accounting as to how it is used, and if, in fact, it is being legitimately used.

They may, in fact, be supporting themselves, paying for their own tuition (education); welfare (mortgage, maintenance, clothing); health (all visits to a physician); safety (security system and maintenance, Steve's salary when he is with them). The ruling just about covers everything with no accountability on her part on how the money is spent.

Griftopia said...

Not blue said... 99
I think Jon is embarrassed after his Star interview where the truth has come out that he does not pay c/s anymore after he whined about not being able to afford both housing and supporting his kids.

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I hardly think Jon would be embarrassed about not being able to afford child support that is completely unrealistic and unnecessary. He’s been forced to support a lifestyle that’s really based on just the last couple years of their marriage (the estate, the tuitions, the entitlements), and not on what they were living as a family pre-TLC. Both Jon and Kate could afford that lifestyle when raking in the big bucks from a reality show – but no real, mediocre job could ever possibly support such extravagance. I know some poo-poo the idea of disrupting the kids’ current school situation by making them slum it in public school, but the reality is that they don’t *need* to be in an exclusive, private school. They don’t need 20+ acres, a huge home, an in-ground pool. These are all extravagances that most kids in America do very well without. If Kate would scale down to a more realistic lifestyle, Jon may very well be able to afford a more reasonable amount of child support and STILL be able to make his housing payments. The issue is that Kate insists on living the celebrity lifestyle, while Jon has returned to a mediocre, real life. He can’t possibly support the kids on Kate’s terms. Hardly anything to be embarrassed about.

mscatie said...

Why would a reputable attorney agree to that? If they were threatened to be fired maybe? It's all so strange.
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Sue, however it came about, I don't think Kate's attorney did herself any favors by going on record in a tabloid sort of way.

But then, how many times have we seen someone's principles/career turn chaotic when Kate became involved?

Blowing In The Wind said...

"Makes Sense, you're an idiot."

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"I think there's a rule about that."

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A rule about being an idiot?

"Fess up. Who gave billy goat gruff the night off?"

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It may be hot and humid under that bridge tonight. They needed to come out for some air!

Tamara said...

All this who knows, who doesn't know, no one but them know thing reminds me of the Psych theme song.
I know You know that
I'm not telling the truth
I know you know they
Just don't have any proof

And yes, I think the pain meds and forced rest are getting to me lol.

url said...

According to Kart's attorney, Kart is relieving Jon from child support payments "forever". Kart also promised her kids that mommy and daddy will be together forever. That promise didn't last long either.

Where is Jon hiding? said...

You're wrong in that Jon's child support is based on the last few years of how they lived. That's how they calculate alimony. His support can only be based on his income. It has been lowered since the money TLC put in escrow for his child support ran out. That money ($22,000 was said then) was based on what he got from TLC.

I believe it has been said here, and I will go with that, $1500 a month for all 8 kids was what he has been responsible for paying. Except now he isn't paying anything since Kate has relieved him from his financial responsibilities; and she still allows him him his time with the kids. What a gal she is!

Griftopia said... 183
I hardly think Jon would be embarrassed about not being able to afford child support that is completely unrealistic and unnecessary. He’s been forced to support a lifestyle that’s really based on just the last couple years of their marriage (the estate, the tuitions, the entitlements), and not on what they were living as a family pre-TLC. Both Jon and Kate could afford that lifestyle when raking in the big bucks from a reality show – but no real, mediocre job could ever possibly support such extravagance. I know some poo-poo the idea of disrupting the kids’ current school situation by making them slum it in public school, but the reality is that they don’t *need* to be in an exclusive, private school. They don’t need 20+ acres, a huge home, an in-ground pool. These are all extravagances that most kids in America do very well without. If Kate would scale down to a more realistic lifestyle, Jon may very well be able to afford a more reasonable amount of child support and STILL be able to make his housing payments. The issue is that Kate insists on living the celebrity lifestyle, while Jon has returned to a mediocre, real life. He can’t possibly support the kids on Kate’s terms. Hardly anything to be embarrassed about.
August 25, 2012 7:46 PM

Sue Buddy said...

True, mscatie. Kate is like a tornado setting down when she's not getting her way.

Griftopia said...

Makes sense said... 174
Griftopia I am drawing my conclusions same way you
are; by what I see, hear, and read.

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I respectfully disagree, as I have not drawn any of the conclusions you have drawn. I have no idea how much custody time either parent has, nor do I know how much time each parent spends with the kids. I know Kate tweets about her great parenting. Just because Jon doesn’t tweet about his parenting doesn’t lead me to draw conclusions about his custody time or financial support. You have drawn your conclusions with such certainty; surely they can’t just be based on what you’ve read. You mentioned that they’re also based on what you’ve “seen” and “heard” – are you a local with more knowledge of the facts? I have drawn conclusions, but mostly about things of which I am certain. For example, I think Kate’s a fool for buying/grifting the meat slicer. It’s an unnecessary extravagance – and is extremely dangerous. I’ve used the exact same slicer (as a 16-year-old working in an Italian deli) – and it’s a dangerous piece of equipment. It also needs to be cleaned after EVERY use. Thankfully, we high-schoolers weren’t permitted to do that (the managers were responsible for the cleaning) – but this is a piece of equipment that is highly inappropriate in a household full of small children. It’s also impractical and overkill for preparing school lunches. Based on my *experience,* I can draw this conclusion with some certainty.

Sorry Admin said...

Oh my goodness. Must we allow the dense sheeple to post here? It's bad enough to see the stupidity on twitter, must we see it here too? There's only so much I can take.

Cruisin Just As Fast As She Can Now said...

Speaking about something being fishy. Milo couldn't go on the cruise to meet the love of her life (and only a state away) because she'd have to be pushed around on a wheelchair and her health isn't good, but she's planning on running...

miloandjack
@Kateplusmy8 Im goin 2test the waters & do a local 5K & see if I can finish & not embarrass myself & everyone else2bad!

There's some reason that she doesn't want Kate to see her.

What's Next? said...

Where is Jon hiding? said... 188
I believe it has been said here, and I will go with that, $1500 a month for all 8 kids was what he has been responsible for paying. Except now he isn't paying anything since Kate has relieved him from his financial responsibilities; and she still allows him him his time with the kids. What a gal she is!
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Going with what you believe to be true, why would Kate do that? She makes a little money with her CC job, but surely not enough to support 8 children and her current lifestyle, So why would she relieve Jon of his financial responsibilities now and in the future according to her attorney?

Over In Kate's County said...

True, mscatie. Kate is like a tornado setting down when she's not getting her way.

++++++++++++++++++++

lol, Sue! Should I watch out the window for flying cows (or sheep)?

Griftopia said...

Where is Jon hiding? said... 188
You're wrong in that Jon's child support is based on the last few years of how they lived. That's how they calculate alimony. His support can only be based on his income.

****************

If this is true, then I stand corrected about how much he is paying. I'm not a lawyer, nor do I know the ins and outs of child support calculations.

However, it is my understanding that Kate has no legal authority to "relieve" Jon of any responsiblities, and that this would be decided by the courts. I tend to agree with those who think this is just Kate wordsmithing and being evasive about the truth of their current custody arrangement. Having no access to the actual facts, though, this is pure speculation.

Sue Buddy said...

lol, Sue! Should I watch out the window for flying cows (or sheep)?

Oh, flying sheep for sure. Kate's surrounded by them.

Not blue said...

Going with what you believe to be true, why would Kate do that? She makes a little money with her CC job, but surely not enough to support 8 children and her current lifestyle, So why would she relieve Jon of his financial responsibilities now and in the future according to her attorney?

.......................................

I think Kate has a pretty good income coming in and is secure in her future. I don't think her attorney would say that Kate relieved Jon of child support unless it were true. This is a local attorney and I would assume would not ruin her reputation by lying.

Anonymous said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 101
Not Blue how do you know that? Who is your source, Kate? Then why didn't Kate just say that as clearly as you did today? Instead she cowered away, told people it was none of their business, and directed us to her attorney. Since when has she ever suggested this wasnt our business? 't you have a source we can verify? By all means please email me. My verified source told me otherwise, PA LAW tells me other wise, basic common sense reading of PA law tells me otherwise. I respect your perspective though, you are welcome to have it, but I believe it to be incorrect, though it doesn't matter since I know the kids are with Jon 50% now and that's all that matters.

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You refuse to reveal your source but have the audacity to ask this person who their source is?

Greedy Gosselins said...

I think the bottem line here with the Custody Issue Arguement is some people choose to believe admin and her source and some don't.

I guess unless admin names her source it's pretty much gossip, right?

I have a tendency to believe her but sure wish she could be more concrete. It would answer so many questions. :)

The bigger question for me is why Jon would state (as he was quoted directly) he couldn't afford his house anymore.

Remona Blue said...

Where is Jon hiding? said... 188
''.....Except now he isn't paying anything since Kate has relieved him from his financial responsibilities; and she still allows him him his time with the kids. What a gal she is!''
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That was snort ice tea out your nose funny!!!

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