Saturday, January 15, 2011

Court docket: It was Jon who filed for contempt against Kate

Jon is still sticking with the same experienced divorce attorney he's had since last year, Mary Vidas, and it was actually Jon who filed for contempt of the custody order, not Kate. Kate has reportedly repeatedly tried to sabotage the custody orders, the latest of which is taking the children to Australia over the New Year's, when Jon was scheduled to have the children for New Year's on "odd years"--i.e. 2011.

And this isn't the first time Kate has run into trouble with violating orders (an obsessed parental alienator typically has no deference for the court of law--court orders do not scare them, they believe they know better than the judge). In October 2009 the court, in a very under-publicized decision, found Kate in contempt of the divorce arbitration agreement and ordered her to deposit $7,500 back into their joint account for every month she failed to do so. Naturally the mainstream media usually only reports Jon's violations. At least back in those days! We wish peace and harmony for these two as they share the kids this year.

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Administrator said...

This is the problem with assuming just because things aren't going Jon's way that he hasn't "lawyered up", that he's not fighting this, that he is letting Kate walk all over him, that he's "letting" the kids be exploited. He can only do what he can within the confines of the legal system.

The docket shows he's been fighting this obsessed alienator for months now, with the same good attorney. But just because you have the best divorce attorney in PA doesn't mean you're winning. Even the best attorneys lose sometimes. Show me an attorney who has won every case--it just doesn't work that way.

This validates what I've been saying for awhile now. Momentum in a family law case is a powerful thing. Kate has the momentum, Jon is slowly but surely plugging the holes like the little dutch boy. I admire Jon for having the tenacity to try to switch that momentum in a more fair direction. A lot of fathers would have walked away, give up.

Kate is trying to wear him down until he quits. It is driving her bananas he's not quitting.

A Pink Straight Jacket For Kate said...

Good! Never give up, Jon!

Continue fighting for your kids!!

Pam said...

She is trying so hard to cut him out of the kids' lives, like she does everybody else who crosses her, but she can't.

She will go to her grave one day with a heart full of hatred. "Here Lies Kate, Still Full of Hate".

Administrator said...

This is one of those things where Kate can keep playing with violating court orders, keep poking the fire. But sooner or later it will catch up, you won't be able to poke the fire without getting burned. I have seen maybe two true parental alienation cases. Lots of cases have shades of it, I'm talking about a full-on obsessed alienator like Kate is.

Administrator said...

It really makes you understand where people who HAVE been cut off from this family are coming from doesn't it? I picture a lot of begging and crying but still being shut down. But there is no way you can get around the wrath of Kate unless you hold actually rights to the children, as Jon does.

If it weren't for how sad this is for the children, it would be pretty funny to watch Kate try to estrange someone who has LEGAL RIGHTS to her children. Like watching someone try to move a piano by themselves. Ehhh, ehhh! Kate always gets her way, except not this time. Sweet karma.

K8SUCKS said...

Go Jon! Keep fighting the good fight .

Get your priorities straight said...

"...in the fleeting time we have on this earth, what matters is not wealth, or status, or power, or fame –but rather, how well we have loved, and what small part we have played in bettering the lives of others."

President Barack Obama
Tucson, Arizona
January 12, 2011

gramof5 said...

I hate to post this here but something caught my eyes yesterday and I just can't let it go.I'm sorry that it has nothing to do with this particular post but I didn't know where else to put it.
Before I do...my prayers are with Jon and the children through these tough times. Keep fighting the fight Jon. Things have to turn around and I have a feeling this might just be the turn in the road for you.Hang in there.
Now to my question. I have watched that video of Kate and the kids several times and the reason is the man that is coming out the door with Kate.He just doesn't look like any of the crew and actually if you notice, Kate turns around and looks at him while they are walking.I am thinking this is the same bald guy walking beside them when they arrived in Australia at the airport. I do remember that there was some mention of him.
Could that man possibly be the new Mr.Gosselin ?

http://www.americanconsumernews.com/2011/01/sntv-kate-gosselin-in-new-zealand.html

just me said...

Thanks to the posters at Preesi's for bringing this to light. We would all still be believing what Kates PR machine spun out there if they hadn't looked for the truth.

Lolly said...

Wow, I had never seen that document from Oct 2009. She was planning a LONG time to stick it to Jon. Taking 1 million from Feb 2008 through June 2009!

Kate can keep using the kids as a weapon in her hate, but she will forever pay for it. Forever. Not only monetarily, but the kids will figure this out sooner or later. It will not be a nice ending for her.

Kate is so immature, I don't think it will ever occur to her to be an adult and work with Jon to co-parent these kids. They should be able to talk to each other and trade days, if they need to, or make other arrangements without going to court each time. No wonder the idiot has high legal bills, as she said. It is HER causing them. Stupid fool. This will do even more damage to those kids in the long run. They are probably very conflicted because I am SURE she disses Jon to them at every opportunity. If she can go on national tv and diss him, of course she does it in private to THEM. I really have no doubt about that.

A Pink Straight Jacket For Kate said...

Administrator said... It really makes you understand where people who HAVE been cut off from this family are coming from doesn't it? I picture a lot of begging and crying but still being shut down. But there is no way you can get around the wrath of Kate unless you hold actually rights to the children, as Jon does.

If it weren't for how sad this is for the children, it would be pretty funny to watch Kate try to estrange someone who has LEGAL RIGHTS to her children. Like watching someone try to move a piano by themselves. Ehhh, ehhh! Kate always gets her way, except not this time. Sweet karma.

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You know, the kids should be with the father right now. Even for a year- just to prove to the judge what a better life it will be for them.

During that time, Kate can prove herself- pursue her show business career, earn as much money she wants, tape as many shows as she wants, co-host whatever show, write whatever book, travel to wherever, do all the things she needs/wants to do. Without dragging her kids with her, or leaving them with babysitters for days.

Their kids can live normal, stable lives with their father. Go to school regularly, and not spend their days off from school rushing from spot to spot filming. Plus they can play with friends, and visit relatives. Do all the things that normal children their age do.

I'm pretty sure Jon will be more forgiving in allowing Kate more visitation days than she ever was with him.

As long as the kids are with Kate, they will be nothing more than working monkeys in a traveling circus show.

Sooner or later, a judge has got to see that.

Administrator said...

There are plenty of parents who have simple, standard custody orders--even years/odd years, every other weekend, etc. and have no problems following them. I don't understand why this is a difficult concept for Kate, you get the kids on the days you're supposed to, you don't get the kids on the days you are not. Move on peacefully.

Instead the first year Jon has odd years, she is right off the bat trying to film them on HIS visitation time. She has the kids so much, she could schedule this trip so that it wouldn't interfere with him. Oh but no.

What are the sheeple saying about this now? I assume they thought Kate was totally justified to go after Jon, does it work both ways?

Kate is going to lose her kids to Jon if she pushes it too much. It happens.

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Kartie Dearest said...

Admin, what does this mean exactly. I'm a little unclear since I'm not a legal expert. Does this he mean he is fighting for more custody or trying to stop filming due to Kart's violation of the new year custody (or both)? and will the judge's decision appear on the court docket?

I guess it made sense, when he responded to someone with "you win some, you lose some" on twitter.

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Michelle said...

Glad to see Jon fighting. If Kate gets her way, I'm sure she'll get all of spring break for filming too.

Off topic, I was reading an article on Rafael Nadal in my son's Sports Illustrated. They were talking about how amazingly down to earth he is. They asked why he doesn't have bodyguards. His response: "When you have bodyguards, everything is more difficult. That's when people recognize you. When you go normal, it's easier to go out without problems, people are respectful. O.K., maybe you sign autographs or do photos, but no problem."

They also noted he was spotted flying coach. His response was: "I listen to my music. It sounds the same as it does in first class."

How refreshing! There are people who have EARNED their celebrity status through hard work and have EARNED more money that Kate could ever hope to see and remain grounded.

Lolly said...

"Amin What are the sheeple saying about this now? I assume they thought Kate was totally justified to go after Jon, does it work both ways?"

I cannot tell you how many posts I have read from these fans that think Jon should have his rights TERMINATED as a parent, because he acted out last year. TERMINATED. Can you imagine someone being so evil and hate filled that this would even enter their mind? Not to mention how horrible this would be for the children. But not many really even consider them. Sad, very sad.

Bodtguard, My A$$ said...

When I read that the kids were actually being dragged to Australia to film I was so upset I lashed out on this blog at Jon for allowing it. I was mistaken and Jon, if you read this, I sincerely apologize for jumping to conclusions. If watching that horrible woman abuse those sad kids upsets us so, I can't even imagine what this is doing to Jon.

BerksPa said...

WOW...in reading those documents from 2009 Kate comes off pretty badly. She definitely was hiding monies and the court denied her petition and ruled in favor of Jon to make her provide all accounting.

Looks to me like Jon 'manned' up back then to his mistakes, yet Kate was crying poor me (to any media outlet that would listen), all the while she was hiding family monies. She even had to pay Jon's court fees.

Speaks volumes.

Administrator said...

Kate had also accused Jon of improperly withdrawing money around the same time Oct 09. Jon said wait just a minute YOU withdrew money buster, and he took her to court. And WON.

But what did the media report? Oh that's right, that just Jon stole money. Not Kate. It was so underreported that Jon WON. Can you imagine if Kate won a contempt against Jon? It would be splashed all over the place. Instead it was just a tiny little blip.

Here we are same thing again. Media falsely reports Jon is in contempt. As soon as it's verified that it was actually JON who filed for contempt against Kate, is it reported anywhere but here and Preesi's blog? Of course not. Does TMZ retract it's false statement, of course not. The general public who doesn't really follow this goes on to assume it's Jon all Jon who screwed up.

I think the media likes the "deadbeat Dad" story. It's just not the case here and no one cares to report it.

Administrator said...

I cannot tell you how many posts I have read from these fans that think Jon should have his rights TERMINATED as a parent, because he acted out last year. TERMINATED. Can you imagine someone being so evil and hate filled that this would even enter their mind?
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So I suppose now that it is Kate who is in contempt they want to terminate her parental rights?

BeDoneNow said...

Katie the high road taker?
The contract honorer?
The good bra wearer?
The obsessed shoe put-er on-er? Or whatever other way she tries to mangle the English language to make herself look good. So WHO has been taking the high road all this time, Katie? WHO has been honoring contracts and court orders all this time, Katie?

Not you, babe. Not. In. The. Least.

She seriously does believe that the rules of society and humanity dont pertain to her, doesnt she? I mean, she pathologically believes it.

I did notice in the papers it refers to the LHOTP account. Little House On The Prairie? LOL.
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Pink Straight Jacket said...
During that time, Kate can prove herself- pursue her show business career, earn as much money she wants, tape as many shows as she wants, co-host whatever show, write whatever book, travel to wherever, do all the things she needs/wants to do. Without dragging her kids with her, or leaving them with babysitters for days.
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Wonderful idea however, Katie already knows that very few people will pay money to watch her tromp around and screech, no matter how much bare boob she shows. We the viewing public are only willing to pay cash to gape at the sextuplets, cluck our tongues about one twin's tantrums and the other twin's depressive-type demeanor. Kate knows that without those kids, she has Not One Single Thing that anyone wants.

Mimi to 3 said...

Lolly, I've read those same comments from the fans. That his rights as a father should be terminated, that he should be run over by a bus, that he should just die. And then they have the nerve to say we are haters?

IMO, the reason Kate fights so hard to keep Jon out of the picture is that she has these control issues we have all seen since the beginning. She will never back down or compromise on anything. It has to always be her way. So, imagine now that she 'thinks' she has ALL the control, even over the judge and that she doesn't have to obey a silly rule passed down, she is after all THEIR mother, she will do as she wants and everyone can go to hell. I've never been exposed to a person like her and hope to goodness I never am. I do still wonder why a GAL has not been set up for those kids. But can you imagine how Kate would react to have someone in her home telling her what she can and can't do. Many people have said this, but it is so true -- this will not and cannot end well. At least Jon is not giving up. Good for Jon.

Kartie Dearest the Swindler said...

BerksPa said.... "Looks to me like Jon 'manned' up back then to his mistakes, yet Kate was crying poor me (to any media outlet that would listen), all the while she was hiding family monies. She even had to pay Jon's court fees."

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Exactly!!! Wow, she should've been nominated for an emmy on that one.Now we know where she was dipping into to pay for her expensive hair dos.

Jon hired a great attorney and doesn't seem like he's backing down. I believe the locomotive is starting to pick up steam and move. The kids will find their freedom soon!


On a side note, I just saw this article from Hollybaby. Blogger comments not very glowing in KG favor.

"Welcome Back Kate & Your Eight Gosselettes. Didn’t Your Kids Just Miss 2 Weeks of School While On A Work Trip To Australia & New Zealand?"

http://www.hollybaby.com/2011/01/14/kate-gosselin-australia-trip-jon-custody-missing-school-down-under/

Administrator said...

I'm not sure what has been written if anything specifically about narcissists and honoring contracts and the court of law and judges. In general, they do not feel rules apply to them.

It certainly is consistent with a narcissist personality that a custody order need not be followed, arrangements with money need not be followed, visitation orders are something to follow if you feel like it, and you might show up late or not at all, visitation orders need not be followed if you have something better to do like go to Australia, orders not to discuss the case need not be followed if you are just defending yourself, etc.

Sound familiar? Have they written a textbook on Kate yet for psychology majors?

Administrator said...

By the way as an attorney it is always facinating when on occasion I see someone who does not have any kind of healthy fear of the judge or court orders.

There are people who play dumb pretending they misunderstood orders, which is one thing, and there are people like Kate who blatantly violate them in cold blood pretending they either don't exist or don't apply to them. Shocking.

They...do....know they could go to jail, right?

Administrator said...

Carol, the court docket says that Jon filed for contempt of the custody order. In other words, Jon is accusing Kate of violating the custody order. We do not know what specifically Jon is accusing her of, although we can guess given what we've seen firsthand Kate do. It could be anything from talking about the case to violating financial arrangements to violating the visitation--all of which Kate has reportedly done.

Administrator said...

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We would need to order about 50 I think to get the price low enough to be reasonable for a tshirt, like $20.

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readerlady said...

I've always been Team Jon. Well - Team Kids first, but I think that their best interests lie with Jon. I never doubted that he was fighting behind the scenes. We know he's tenacious - how else would he have managed to stay with Kate for as long as he did. I've been upset with him, disgusted with some of his behavior, but at the end of the day, he has always been the loving, hands-on parent for those 8 little faces. GO JON!!

Roxanne said...

Okay,the CRZAY SHEEPLE are sad that the kids are back and that their "vacation" is over.They are actually sad that the kids are returning home and going back to NORMALITY.Seriously,how screwed up is this? And their answer to the docket is:
a) it's fake
b) Jon's timing coincides with "fun filming" so Jon is just trying to destry the kids' happiness every chance he gets.
Some sheeple will never see the truth...they will be upset years after Kate will have been stoped.Seriously(a lot of Grey's Anatomy today sorry about the repetition) the handful that's left WILL stick by Kate forever and ever. And they are now claiming there were no nudity scenes in Jon and Kate plus 8.They are really saying they saw every single episode and saw no naked child in the process.Seroiusly?

Hippie Chick said...

A Pink Straight Jacket said...

You know, the kids should be with the father right now. Even for a year- just to prove to the judge what a better life it will be for them.

During that time, Kate can prove herself- pursue her show business career, earn as much money she wants, tape as many shows as she wants, co-host whatever show, write whatever book, travel to wherever, do all the things she needs/wants to do. Without dragging her kids with her, or leaving them with babysitters for days.

I think Kate thinks she can go NOWHERE without her kids. She has NO career w/out her kids. She must know this. Kate can't do anything unless her kids are attached. DWTS: she bombed. Talkshows: never came to light. ToK: never will see the light of day. She can pursue all she wants for a career on her own, but w/out those damn kids, she ain't nothing, & she knows it.

Administrator said...

Well duh of course jon's timing is the same as Australia. Taking his kid from him just to film for that long was obviously the last straw for him. Besides when is Kate ever not on a trip for it to be a good time for him to file???

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lovetoread62 said...

Get your priorities straight said...

"...in the fleeting time we have on this earth, what matters is not wealth, or status, or power, or fame –but rather, how well we have loved, and what small part we have played in bettering the lives of others."
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So true. I've been to enough funerals to know that no one talks about how fabulous your body looked, or how much money you had, or how much fame you acquired. They talk about what a great friend, mom, sister you were... You can't take the fame and fortune with you.

Administrator said...

Carol thats because Kate has been in contempt before, for stealing from the joint account in 2009. Being held in contempt twice is not a good thing. No judge would be amused.

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Hippie Chick said...

Carol said...
BTW. I follow 20 people on Twitter, rarely do I send tweets, but I have sent a total of 38 tweets and have not received 1 reply back. I click on the icon that says "@mention" so-and-so's name, then I type in my message, and hit send....is that how to send a tweet?

Yes, that is how it's done. I actually got into a little twitter war with a certain ex-actress who is now on a talk show over a twitter I sent about her SUCKING on this talk show. She wrote something back then I did, then she did. It was all very funny & she was pissed. I was just being honest. I didn't exactly say she sucked, I just asked on twitter why she just SAT there & didn't interview guests, & when she did, all her questions were really, UM, stupid & why the hell was she so loud??. It pissed her off! LOL I finished my twitter spat with "I used 2 like u, on (your old show), but u had writers, right?" LOL

Administrator said...

Foreign decree? I'm not familiar with that other than to literally mean you were divorced overseas. It could mean they were divorced in another county. Can't remember where it was.

A Pink Straight Jacket For Kate said...

lovetoread62 said...
Get your priorities straight said...

"...in the fleeting time we have on this earth, what matters is not wealth, or status, or power, or fame –but rather, how well we have loved, and what small part we have played in bettering the lives of others."
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So true. I've been to enough funerals to know that no one talks about how fabulous your body looked, or how much money you had, or how much fame you acquired. They talk about what a great friend, mom, sister you were... You can't take the fame and fortune with you.

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Amen.

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Administrator said...

The white house was also ticked someone made Sasha and melia dolls. Spot on.

boo said...

Admin, when I follow your link to the Oct 2009 document, I see the motion and Jon's proposed order. Did the Judge actually grant Jon's motion and enter that order? If so, do you have a link? Thanks!

Administrator said...

Yeah that's why Montgomery county to Berks. "foreign".

Zoetta's Mom said...

Back around the time of the divorce, Kate was asked what her worst fear was, and she said that it would be people calling her a bad mother and a judge taking away her kids. I thought that was odd at the time, most moms would be afraid of something bad happening to their children.

Multiple instances of being held in contempt of court for disobeying court orders would seem to me to be counterproductive, for some one who wants to keep her reputation as a good mother intact.What can she (or her advisors) be thinking?

boo said...

I think the foreign decree means from another county in this context. If I remember right, they filed for divorce in a county different from their county of residence (Montgomery), but now the custody issues are being decided by a different county court (Berks). The Judge's name is listed by the way, in case anyone is interested --Timothy J. Rowley -- Berks County.

Mandy said...

Have the sheeple explained (spun) yet how Jon and Ellen leaked the story to the press about Kate filing the contempt charge? I'd love to hear it. I'm also still waiting for them to explain how Jon always knows when she's going to be at Target or the tanning salon.

Priorities said...

lovetoread62 said...
Get your priorities straight said...

"...in the fleeting time we have on this earth, what matters is not wealth, or status, or power, or fame –but rather, how well we have loved, and what small part we have played in bettering the lives of others."
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So true. I've been to enough funerals to know that no one talks about how fabulous your body looked, or how much money you had, or how much fame you acquired. They talk about what a great friend, mom, sister you were... You can't take the fame and fortune with you.


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Can you imagine what there would be to say about Kate if her eulogy was written today? It wouldn't be pretty. In fact it would read like a tragedy.

h8k8 said...

Carol said...
Admin, I'm looking at a document that Kate filed and under type of action it states Foreign Decree of Divorce. What does that mean? I got the link to this from a fan site. Not sure if I am allowed to post the link.

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Carol,
Foreign means the action of divorce took place in Montgomery County rather than Berks.

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JurseyChic24 said...

Mandy said...
Have the sheeple explained (spun) yet how Jon and Ellen leaked the story to the press about Kate filing the contempt charge? I'd love to hear it. I'm also still waiting for them to explain how Jon always knows when she's going to be at Target or the tanning salon.


It's pretty easy to guess...if she has the kids she'll be at one of those places and if she DOESN'T have the kids she'll be at one of those places.

Goselin8ComeFirst said...

Lolly said... Wow, I had never seen that document from Oct 2009. She was planning a LONG time to stick it to Jon. Taking 1 million from Feb 2008 through June 2009!

Kate can keep using the kids as a weapon in her hate, but she will forever pay for it. Forever. Not only monetarily, but the kids will figure this out sooner or later. It will not be a nice ending for her.

Kate is so immature, I don't think it will ever occur to her to be an adult and work with Jon to co-parent these kids. They should be able to talk to each other and trade days, if they need to, or make other arrangements without going to court each time. No wonder the idiot has high legal bills, as she said. It is HER causing them. Stupid fool. This will do even more damage to those kids in the long run. They are probably very conflicted because I am SURE she disses Jon to them at every opportunity. If she can go on national tv and diss him, of course she does it in private to THEM. I really have no doubt about that.
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Well said. In Kate's mind, Jon has been an adversary since the day he said on film, he was not sure he wanted to continue to film, while they were still together. And you can be sure a line was drawn in the sand from that point forward in Kate's mind, that Jon was useless to her in her money making fame whore pursuits.
After all, he had been her partner in crime for years scamming the public.

Regardless, Kate knows that Jon knows her to the core, with her greedy, self promotion, so once he jumped ship on the scam, he became her enemy. Through whatever means necessary. With TLC assisting her, her new "partner" in this scam.

She has never once considered how all of her many many negative interviews/comments disparaging Jon HAVE EFFECTED HER KIDS, because he was no longer on board with her scam. From there, she took every opportunity to bad mouth him to the media, with no reservations. And I am sure, she is such a narcissist that she also did so in front of her kids time and time again, as she simply has zero self-control.

My question is: Is there any reason why there is not a Court gag order, whereby NEITHER parent is allowed to disparage or talk badly about the other to the media, as all of this DOES affect and impact on the kids. I can not think of a single reason why the Family Court Judge can not order this, as it would be in the best interest of the kids not to deal with this crap in their day to day lives. THEY DID NOT SIGN UP FOR THIS, so why can't each of these kids have protections afforded to them, whereby they do not have to deal with public disparagement by EITHER parent. Seriously, I know the Court can order this. As it is in the best interest of the KIDS. So why has this not happened?

Karen said...

Isn't it possible that Kate dumped Jon for the very reason that he wanted all the filming of their lives to stop? Kate just couldn't stand Jon taking a position that didn't jive with hers'. She will fight him as long as she has the money/kids. She has never respected him and that fact is on tape for the masses to view. No one who respects another person (loves them supposedly) behaves like Kate did towards Jon. It was no act. Remember she said that their show was the "realist reality show." She used him for her HOM's and his father's money/reputation. No doubt in my mind. By her own admission, she is a planner. This is an ugly story. Hope someone in the know writes a book someday.

sara said...

Hippie Chick said...

Yes, that is how it's done. I actually got into a little twitter war with a certain ex-actress who is now on a talk show over a twitter I sent about her SUCKING on this talk show. She wrote something back then I did, then she did. It was all very funny & she was pissed. I was just being honest. I didn't exactly say she sucked, I just asked on twitter why she just SAT there & didn't interview guests, & when she did, all her questions were really, UM, stupid & why the hell was she so loud??. It pissed her off! LOL I finished my twitter spat with "I used 2 like u, on (your old show), but u had writers, right?" LO

You sound like a very intelligent person Hippie Chick. Congrats on such a great exchange.

Kartie Dearest said...

TO: Emmy Members

From: Kate Gosselin

RE: For your Emmy consideration (tears included)

This was the Today interview show taped on October 9th, 2009-- the day I went to court to get my money back. I forgot to mention withdrawing $1,000,000 for a year. I had more than a $1000 actually.

As a side note, I lost the court ruling and was found in contempt of court for withdrawing funds without proper authorization and for two months of non-deposits into the joint account. In short, I got my a$$ kicked to the curb.

But nevermind that, please consider this interview for future acting roles or submit to Board of Psychiatry for pathological lying case studies.

p.s. warning - possum sighting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqyInUPV5BQ&feature=related

boo said...

What am I missing here? I see what was filed, but not an order in favor of Jon.

Pam said...

sara said... Hippie Chick said...

Yes, that is how it's done. I actually got into a little twitter war with a certain ex-actress who is now on a talk show over a twitter I sent about her SUCKING on this talk show. She wrote something back then I did, then she did. It was all very funny & she was pissed. I was just being honest. I didn't exactly say she sucked, I just asked on twitter why she just SAT there & didn't interview guests, & when she did, all her questions were really, UM, stupid & why the hell was she so loud??. It pissed her off! LOL I finished my twitter spat with "I used 2 like u, on (your old show), but u had writers, right?" LO

You sound like a very intelligent person Hippie Chick. Congrats on such a great exchange.

January 15, 2011 3:46 PM




Too funny. Does this ex-actress share a name with a Gosslin child? If so, I totally feel the same way about her on this talk show. Loud and obnoxious.

Lolly said...

Carol, click on the link in the story at the top, "October 2009" it shows a previous document where Kate was in comtempt. It contains the info about the 1 million dollars.

Second Paragraph..
"In October 2009 the court, in a very under-publicized decision, found Kate in contempt of the divorce arbitration agreement and ordered her to deposit $7,500 back into their joint account for every month she failed to do so."

Sadiemay said...

i would almost guarantee that Kate is trying her hardest to brainwash these children against their father.

Lolly said...

Goselin8ComeFirst said...thx yours too, well said.

That question has bugged me to death! Why the court or Jon or however a gag order is issued doesn't shut Kate up. Throwing Jon under the bus is horrible on national tv. I said the same when Jon did it. The kids WILL Hear this, and what? You hate my dad? I am half my dad, so you hate half of me?? Very good question. I wish SOMETHING could be done about her.

Lolly said...

ADMIN, one last thing, Jon filing while they gone? It was WORK, not a vacation. Soooooo it doesn't matter WHEN it was filed. And why should that ruin the KIDS fun? So the fans are saying that Kate can't protect her kids? Can't control herself and not let on this is going on? Like a normal parent would with younger kids? Are they saying she has no self control at all, SHE would ruin it for HER kids? Wow.

Goodnight, and thx Admin again, for the blog.

Administrator said...

There is a gag order, and it's done nothing to shut Kate up. She is blatantly violating it over and over, on Regis and Kelly, on Today, on her own show. The judge has refused to make her follow it and is rewarding her by giving her the majority of custody. I don't see any real consequences for it.

I think Jon's lawyers are finally saying enough is enough, they are finally bringing her shenanigans to the judge.

As for this ruining the kids' vacation, I agree, if Kate is a good mother the children shouldn't know ANYTHING about this. There is no reason she can't speak with her lawyers once the kids are in bed, and keep them completly protected from it. Why would this be hard for her? Oh right because she cannot help alienating Jon as much as possible in front of the kids.

Mandy said...

As for this ruining the kids' vacation, I agree, if Kate is a good mother the children shouldn't know ANYTHING about this.

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If she were a good mother, she wouldn't have dragged her children through the mud via the public eye to begin with, so even if she is succeeding at speaking to the lawyers once the kids are in bed and keeping the kids off the internet and away from the grocery store tabloids, you can bet there are kids at the school who know all about everything and have thrown their private lives in their faces. (Lots of little kids watch this show. Why would the kids at their school be an exception?)

We all know how kids can be. Every school, every class, every group has a pecking order - no exceptions. I dread to think of the grade school hazing these children have already endured.

A Pink Straight Jacket For Kate said...

I found an article written by someone who apparently has had it up to here with Kate Gosselin...

Kate Gosselin spotted at airport! OMG! Let's write an article about it!
By:Mandy Donaldson

http://www.metrowny.com/blogs/archives/899-Kate_Gosselin_spotted_at_airport!_OMG!_Lets_write_an_article_about_it!.html

Mandy said...

I have an assignment for you, sheeple. Please put your spin on the following items:

1. If Kate really was hiding money from Jon in an amount exceeding $1 million for over a year before the divorce proceedings began, why would he and Ellen not leak that instead of old sandwich stories?


2. If this was a vacation, why did they need their work permits to leave town?

Administrator said...

For extra credit! How did Jon, from 10,000 miles away, tip off the paparazzi in New Zealand and Australia that Kate was horseback riding, at the zoo, out to dinner with Steve and the kids, and so on?

A Pink Straight Jacket For Kate said...

Administrator said... There is a gag order, and it's done nothing to shut Kate up. She is blatantly violating it over and over, on Regis and Kelly, on Today, on her own show. The judge has refused to make her follow it and is rewarding her by giving her the majority of custody. I don't see any real consequences for it.

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That has always bugged me- how the gag order applied to one parent and not to the other.

And coincidently, something smells awful fishy with the judge that keeps enabling Kate.

Administrator said...

One more, why would Jon leak that KATE filed the contempt action against him, when really he filed it against her?

Explain how it makes sense to leak something that makes you look like you violated court orders, and not the other way around.

I think we're getting into upper level courses now.

Administrator said...

Someone pointed out I didn't thank Preesi's site for this info. Actually this was leaked by someone anonymous at TMZ first. I don't know who that person was to thank, but thank you. That said, the Grapevine site is one of the most amazing internet slueth sites out there and I thank Preesi for all her hard work and everyone there, we appreciate it as I know everyone does!

Warmth Of The Sun said...

And they are now claiming there were no nudity scenes in Jon and Kate plus 8.They are really saying they saw every single episode and saw no naked child in the process.Seroiusly?

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Of course there were. I remember when I saw the naked butt, sat there with my mouth open, thinking...did they really just show that? It was at that point that I contacted the FCC regarding the inappropriate release of the footage of a naked child. I received a reply stating that this would be investigated.

There was also testimony given in a hearing that there was more than one episode that showed a naked child.

Mandy said...

Admin, re: your extra credit question....

I know! I know! He knew where they'd be because Kate is such a wonderful mom that she had the kids call him all the time... Oh wait.. The sheeple said that he filed the contempt order because she DIDN'T call.....

Never mind.... It's too confusing! They keep changing their stories!

Administrator said...

Every judge is unique. Some judges it can be like pulling teeth to get them upset at people. Sometimes this can be frustrating when you are trying to hold someone's feet to the fire. On the flip side, if you are representing the person doing the pushing it with court orders it can be good to be in front of a judge who looks the other way when it comes to that stuff since you can get away with more. One of the most valuable tools as an attorney is getting to know each judge you might be in front of and trying to predict what they will do--the most successful attorneys are usually quite good at playing to a judge's strengths and weaknesses. Other judges will sanction people left and right, sometimes it seems like for just "breathing." Sounds to me like the judge they are in front of is not one to sanction anyone, who is a "look the other way" judge. He may have strengths in other areas.

A Brit. said...

Admin, I never knew there was an actual name for what my mother did. "Parental Alienator."
She would tell me the most awful things about my father. They were not divorced and he still lived with us.(Catholics stayed together for the sake of the children. UGH)
He was kind and patient and rather passive, very much like Jon. Her horrible stories made me feel so guilty for still loving him so much.It really does effect the child in an awful way.
There was also a golden child, like Hanna. The sad thing is that the 'golden sibling' expressed to me (after she was an adult), that she too felt guilty for the favouritism shown to her. She felt separated from us because of it.
Kate will have a lot to answer for in the future.
I cannot watch the show because it brings such horrible memories for me. That is why I enjoy your recaps.
Kate is a self centered bully. Everything is all about her. I am sure her children will see her for who she is. I know Mady does already.

Anonymous said...

All Jon's lawyer needs to do is hand a copy of each season of the show to the judge. Exhibit A. "Take a look, your honor. Watch it if you can stand to. When you have finished, remember, if a picture is worth a thousand words, what story do these hundreds of hours tell? I rest my case."

Moose Mania said...

The sheeple are saying that the document is fake? Sheeple can't write one grammatically correct sentence free of spelling errors. They wouldn't know a fake or legit document if it hit them in their woolly little faces! The only thing they could read and understand on that document is the date.

Can't you just hear them discussing among each other..."What is DEFT? What is PLTF?" Someone answers, "Defendant and Plaintiff."

To which they reply -- "Which is the good guy and which is the bad guy?"

Susantoyota said...

Warmth Of The Sun--re: the naked child

I never tuned into J&K+8 consistently, but I will always remember one of the couch sessions, maybe after the tups had been sick, where Kate made the comment re: one of the male tups-Colin?- "would someday make a woman very happy." Obviously referring to his anatomy. TMI-totally inappropriate and something that may get thrown in his face one day. Does anyone else remember that episode?

Mimi to 3 said...

Moose Mania said... The sheeple are saying that the document is fake? Sheeple can't write one grammatically correct sentence free of spelling errors. They wouldn't know a fake or legit document if it hit them in their woolly little faces!

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Their woolly little faces - hahahahahahahaha!!!!

Marie said...

What tuned me out early on with Jon and Kate plus 8 is that the couple went straight ahead to actually dress their six younger children, downstairs, IN FRONT OF CAMERAS! OTHER PEOPLE!

I'm sorry, as an adult, if either of then had done that it would possibly be stamped as a pornographic show or something maybe, but no, its just fine and dandy to dress little kids like that, boy or girl in front of other people and not to mention the the REST of the WORLD.

Its a shame, and will quite possibly be an embarassment to these poor children. Its bad enough their classmates and other people with less honorable intentions have access to videos and photographs of these chidlren having diapers changed, being bathed, being potty trained, having their mother take pictures of them whilst beside training potty and dressed in front of cameras. Its just creepy on a lot of levels.

Come on, we all have embarassing pictures we wish our parents had had common sense not to take just because they thought it was, "Cute." But even if you go into say your local Walmart now-a-days isn't it considered maybe illegal if someone who is offended to turn you in for pornographic images even if its your own child?

What gives TLC the right to do all these things to these kids and it hasn't ever been flagged? But go into Walmart to pick up pictures just like that and hope you don't get arrested for it.

fidosmommy said...

Susantoyota said... Warmth Of The Sun--re: the naked child

I never tuned into J&K+8 consistently, but I will always remember one of the couch sessions, maybe after the tups had been sick, where Kate made the comment re: one of the male tups-Colin?- "would someday make a woman very happy." Obviously referring to his anatomy. TMI-totally inappropriate and something that may get thrown in his face one day. Does anyone else remember that episode?

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Collin was Kate's "helper boy" who put the toys away after playing on the driveway, who organized things, etc. I think that was what Kate was referring to. After all, they say the first romantic thing a guy can do for his woman is to do the laundry or clean up the house before she gets home from work!

uh huh said...

http://www.sidereel.com/posts/98665-news-jon-gosselin-i-only-withdrew-22-000

More info on the whole financial mess the sheeple refuse to believe. Kate was STEALING money.

Warmth Of The Sun said...

"TMI-totally inappropriate and something that may get thrown in his face one day. Does anyone else remember that episode?"

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Yes, vaguely. I thought she was referring to his organizational skills, or that he was good at doing household chores.

But, I could be wrong!

fidosmommy said...

I'm just wondering if one reason Kate won't admit to the breast enhancement is that Jon would ask "OK, so where did the cash come from, Kate?" and could bring it to court. I have no idea if they could force the issue if she denied having it, but once she admitted it, it could become part of Jon's case against her??
I'm just asking because I've never been to law school and don't know the limits of the law.

Anon 1 said...

Susantoyota said...
Obviously referring to his anatomy. TMI-totally inappropriate and something that may get thrown in his face one day. Does anyone else remember that episode?
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As much as I dislike Kate, even SHE didn't do that. She did say that Colin would make some woman happy, and I don't recall the reason she said it, (something to do w/his career, giving in to his sisters??) but I assure you, it wasn't the way you understood it. I'd never forget that! Are you sure you didn't come in during the middle of that scene/episode?

h8k8 said...

Admin said...
As for this ruining the kids' vacation, I agree, if Kate is a good mother the children shouldn't know ANYTHING about this. There is no reason she can't speak with her lawyers once the kids are in bed, and keep them completly protected from it...

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Agree 100% Admin, it's also possible Kate herself doesn't even know about anything being filed.

Carol said...

Admin,
I read the documents from '09 that you provided a link for above and I believe I understand them. They were written by Jon's attorney at the time, Charles Meyer, and they outlined points in his motion to the court. I've also looked at the docket for Montgomery County which was in charge of the case prior to the divorce being granted and think I understand them.

What I'm having trouble figuring out is what exactly the judge ordered. I don't see anything in particular on the docket related to the motions Mr. Meyer made.

I see a lot of rescheduled court dates, the order about no firearms on the property, etc, but where is the order that Kate was found in contempt? When an attorney files motions with the court outlining points (like Kate was in contempt or DFT emergency petition is denied) are they asking the judge to agree with them and order accordingly OR is what is listed what the judge already ordered and is it just a summary?

I guess what I'm asking in such an awkward way is - are the papers you linked from '09 the actual judges orders or are they Jon's lawyer's requests and hopes that the judge will agree with and order?

As usual, thanks so much.

She did say it said...

"I never tuned into J&K+8 consistently, but I will always remember one of the couch sessions, maybe after the tups had been sick, where Kate made the comment re: one of the male tups-Colin?- "would someday make a woman very happy." Obviously referring to his anatomy. TMI-totally inappropriate and something that may get thrown in his face one day. Does anyone else remember that episode? "

I clearly remember this. After talking about his personality and discipline style, she said this "Oh, and Collin's wife will receive a very BIG GIFT one day" The tone and context and everything about that statement indicated it was about his anatomy, or 'package', not about his personality.

Snow Globe said...

She did say it said, "I clearly remember this. After talking about his personality and discipline style, she said this "Oh, and Collin's wife will receive a very BIG GIFT one day" The tone and context and everything about that statement indicated it was about his anatomy, or 'package', not about his personality."

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What episode? Is it on YouTube?

OC Girl said...

I'm just wondering if one reason Kate won't admit to the breast enhancement is that Jon would ask "OK, so where did the cash come from, Kate?" and could bring it to court.
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If it's obvious to many of us that Kate's breasts have been enhanced somehow, I'm sure Jon who was married to her for 10 years would notice the difference immediately.

Unless he's one of those guys that just doesn't notice these types of things.

I looked through that October 2009 document linked above and Jon did request that Kate list her expenses including those large sum deductions (in the ten thousands) from their accounts.

If The Insider had access to this information, did other media, like Nancy Grace, The View, Access Hollywood, etc. who kept bashing Jon for spending money, have access to it as well yet decided to keep this information from their viewers? I don't remember The Insider stance on the Gosselin divorce, if they were pro-Kate or pro-Jon.

It only goes to show that these media persons make opinions based on tabloid reports, not factual evidence if they (or their assistants/interns) did the proper research. My, have times have changed. Is this what we're teaching our children these days? That tabloids are acceptable references in your research reports? I'll remember that for next time if I ever have to write a dissertation.

Carol said...

I don't remember The Insider stance on the Gosselin divorce, if they were pro-Kate or pro-Jon.

Every media outlet, tabloid, and blog was talking about the document when it was released in '09 so I'm sure The Insider had access to it, just like we did then, too.

Gosselin8ComeFirst said...

Let' face it. There have been so many sources of income for Kate- the show, the book commissions, book appearances, cash for photos with fans, non Kate Plus 8 tv appearances (DWTS etc..)plus one-time appearances on talk shows, etc.., endorsement fees for all the products her family has used, college funds set up, freebies, etc.. This does not include all of the donated items she received (remodel of her first home, kitchen remodel in new home (which was perfectly fine to begin with, cribs, etc... The list goes on and on, much we are most likely not even aware of. Her financial income/earnings are a maze, at best.

Regardless, it has been noted by the Queen herself, that she has much of the money socked away in investment accounts (not "liquid accounts")as she referred to them, which are probably earning interest. So considering how cheap she is, except when it comes to herself, there is most likely more than enough financial resources for her to walk away from K + 8 and be able to raise the kids through college. There is nothing stopping her from getting a job on her own in the public eye or otherwise. The problem is Kate knows she has nothing to offer the public and that the kids are the draw. We have seen how she tanks when doing any public appearances on her own (DWTS, The View, etc....). She also does not want to give up any of the perks with K + 8 - ie - Steve, limo rides, etc... so unless the Judge is able to hear the truth from the kids about how they feel about filming, I am not sure they will ever get a break. She wants to film them through college..... LOL. Yea - I can see that -Maddy - "Mom, get the hell out of my dorm room, and get a life." Snark. Sorry for the long rant, but after the expulsion of the 2 kids, and then pulling them from school, my disgust for the Queen has gone off the richter scale. Her audacity is beyond comprehension. Have not and will not be watching future shows- my silent protest in support of G8.

Lolly said...

"Oh, and Collin's wife will receive a very BIG GIFT one day""

I remember that episode, and to me she was clearly talking about how he helped, etc. I do not remember which one it was, but I really think you guys misunderstood that one. I will try to find it, too.

Of The Rich And Famous said...

So considering how cheap she is, except when it comes to herself, there is most likely more than enough financial resources for her to walk away from K + 8 and be able to raise the kids through college.

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ONLY if she gives up her current lifestyle, i.e., house, nannies, hairstylists, private school, and gets a job.

Gosselin8ComeFirst said...

Admin said...There is a gag order, and it's done nothing to shut Kate up. She is blatantly violating it over and over, on Regis and Kelly, on Today, on her own show. The judge has refused to make her follow it and is rewarding her by giving her the majority of custody. I don't see any real consequences for it.
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So the Court order not only states they can not discuss Court rulings publicly, but also can not speak badly about either parent publicly? I missed this, so thanks for responding. Not sure why Jon and his lawyer have not filed motions regarding Kate's constant public bad-mouthing of Jon then, when it is clearly on film? Or maybe they did and the Court ignored it. Very disturbing.

Hippie Chick said...

Pam said...
Too funny. Does this ex-actress share a name with a Gosslin child? If so, I totally feel the same way about her on this talk show. Loud and obnoxious.

Umm...maybe. I didn't want to name names... LOL It had to be said. Again, I wasn't THAT rude, but I think she & I were both having bad days.

Mimi to 3 said...

I agree, I am no fan of KAte's but the incident with Colin, she was talking about how he would be a good husband because he is so organized and helpful. To Kate, anyone that does her job for her is great!

Hippie Chick said...

I hope this is not a dumb question, but why do they get same judge over & over. Can't Jon request a new judge? One that isn't favorable to Kate & TLC lining his pocket? I think things MAY go right for Jon this time, I'm hoping he sticks to his gun, stands strong, & doesn't let Kate give him the stink eye from across the room, but this judge, the one who has allowed the kids to work over & over...what is WRONG with him??

And Kate stealing money? Doesn't surprise me. She is greedy. We knew that. Maybe the kids money fund is so low, she needed that cash to "beautify" herself. Wouldn't that be a frigin kick? She has exhausted her kids monies, & now, she has to steal other money. That would be just horrible if the childrens money is almost gone, the money THEY worked hard for. NOT KATE. (or am I getting it wrong here?) Or maybe she stole that money to put it back in the kids account?

Go Jon said...

To all those who accused Jon of having "no balls" with regard to fighting Kate's demands, I think he's just keeping them from public view.

dee3 said...

Administrator~

How much could the "clout of TLC" factor in with these custody judges? How much power/clout could TLC have to influence them?

Also....could the court become annoyed at one parent's repeated filings, even if that parent is completely in the right because it's the other parent defying court orders that is causing it?

A narcissist like Kate would typically ignore court orders because she would see it as "the world according to her". And having the power of a corporation behind her would seriously
exacerbate it....and make her feel almost invincible.

But what would TLC's role likely be in terms of watching her defy court orders over and over? I'm sure that this would generally be that they (TLC) would interfere solely based on what is in their own best financial interest...but what would this likely look like in a classic custody case/court? How much undue influence could they have? And how objective would the judges likely be (or rather, how easily would they succumb to the power and influence of a corporation like this)?

Administrator said...

Hippie Chick, typically in family law cases you are assigned one judge who oversees the case. This is because you are often coming back again and again and the notion is that one person should get to know the case issues, attorneys, parties, and the family instead of having a hodgepodge of people making a hodgepodge of rulings. This creates consistency for the family. To me this is just an admission that judges often shoot from the hip and that a family law case can be determined just by who the judge is and how they feel like ruling, and not necessarily any kind of standard. After all if judges were not biased shouldn't their rulings be more or less the same across the board? Obviously that's not the reality. But in any case you stick with the same judge for better or worse.

It can actually be very hard to switch judges. I think after the judge permitted Kate to decide filming, Jon would have gotten a different one if he could--he probably can't. Usually you can file a motion at the very inception of a case that your judge is prejudiced and get a new one. You can TRY to file this motion once the case is underway but once you start with one judge it becomes nearly impossible to get a prejudice motion granted--the judge themselves has to grant it, so most judges aren't going to agree they are prejudice!

An example of that might be maybe an attorney overheard the judge talking about the case in the cafeteria and the judge said "that father is a piece of work." You would then bring a motion to get a new judge becauase your judge is prejudice, based on what you heard. As you can imagine things like that rarely happen.

Jon's seen a lot of vindication this week. For those that say he needs to man up and get a new judge--he probably can't legally do that.

Administrator said...

To all those who accused Jon of having "no balls" with regard to fighting Kate's demands, I think he's just keeping them from public view.
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I know, imagine that, keeping the children's private custody battle private.

If Jon is leaking everything, why isn't he leaking the "win some's" he's had in family law court?

Administrator said...

I think TLC's influence is mostly financial--paying for the best family law attorneys for Kate, the best advisers, the best handlers, and so on. Money talks in family law court.

I suppose conceivably TLC could be held in contempt if they knowingly aided Kate in violating a family law order. And a judge can make ANY order in the best interest of the children. A judge could conceivably order they are not to have contact with the TLC production crew on visits with mom if it were not in their best interest. But most judges aren't going to get that involved in it--less is more.

This is a unique situation. Perhaps a more common situation is say for example a judge had ordered a mother not to allow her children to be babysat by her new boyfriend because he had a criminal history. Suppose she often leaves the children with grandma, who knows the court order, who then in turn leaves the children with the boyfriend. Say they do this over and over. If grandma knew all about the court order and was willfully violating it, she could be held in contempt.

TLC would be in that same sort of "third party" position as grandma. Only with a lot better lawyers.

Moose Mania said...

If Jon is leaking everything, why isn't he leaking the "win some's" he's had in family law court?

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Exactly. He's not making anything public, and I've been saying this all along in response to those who post asserting that he needs to do something, he should have prevented the filming, he's just letting Kate get away with everything, he doesn't care about what's happening to the kids, etc. I commented that he may be doing things behind the scenes, and we don't know what he's going, which is as it should be.

Good for him!

Administrator said...

I had a source who told me he was fighting this, but they didn't want me to make it public, nor did I have any way to verify it. So I just had to sort of sit back and wait for independent verification. Now it's finally here.

Gosselin8ComeFirst said...

Thanks Admin for responding. I agree, it is not as simple as we would like it to be. And that changing Family Court Judges is not necessarily the solution, as FC Judges deal with hundreds of cases per week. Familiarity with a case with a particular Judge can be a good thing. Although it may take some time.

I also believe Jon is doing the best he can with the resources he has, and not going to the media with everything and honoring the Court orders for the most part. Unlike the Queen who is constantly doing damage control for her own self-image/blasting their father(No thought for the kids). I am just not sure why the gag order or bad mouthing by either parent has not been enforced by the FCJ. Or maybe it has been, and Kate would rather pay a sanction fee, to spill her chronic ill-willed crap about Jon to the media.

I just hope the mud-slinging is ceased for the sake of the kids who have to deal with their classmates daily, if Kate is not able to control her lying non-stop ill-willed comments about Jon. As a mother, we would expect better of her, for the kids' sake, but with Kate, nothing is/ever will be about anything but herself, including her kids. God help these kids.

Karen said...

Can't you just imagine the horrible fights that occurred after Jon let it be known that he wanted filming stopped? Kate had enrolled him in her grifting scheme for years and all of a sudden, pow, Jon said, "no more." The walls must have shook when they discussed the future. The man would have been so much better off had he kept his State of PA job and not become a "house daddy." She did and is still trying to bring Jon down. He fell into it with his poor judgement, but to his credit he is doing much better now. He was blindsided by that request for a divorce. I think he might have believed those wedding promises in Hawaii. After all, they vowed in front of their kids and his family to stay together "forever." We may never know the truth, but I'm still team Jon in the overall scheme of this mess.

dee3 said...

Thank you, Administrator.

I was reading over on Small Town Gosselins and read several comments written by residents of Berks County.....and apparently, this particular family court judge is more about money than about what's in the best interest of children (and this, I'm pretty sure, came from WG herself).

And according to another Berks resident, two family court judges there were convicted of taking kick-backs for placing children in some sort of facility...and may have received jail terms for this (apparently fairly recently).

Regarding undue influence (mainly financial) of the family court judge by TLC....this situation smells pretty bad to me.
I'm curious in terms of what could possibly be done (by Berks residents AND non-residents) to affect the current dynamic of this situation.

AuntieAnn said...

Pathological lying is another distinguishing characteristic of narcissism. Jon knows better than anyone what he's up against after ten years of marriage to Kate. The one thing she's good at is deception. She may have to face the court herself and try to schmooze her way out of this one. I have no idea if a he could in this case, but it would be a red-letter day if the judge determined that a psychiatric evaluation is in order for her. That wouldn't be quite as easy as going on the Today Show to "set things straight" with Meredith Vieira.

Administrator said...

Guys...Kate's been spotted in....you guessed it NEW YORK CITY. I'm just trying to verify this before doing a post.

Who called this? Lol.

Laine said...

If Kate is in New York, I certainly hope Jon has the children and is getting to spend some time with them after all the time they missed together.

I guess Kate needs her pampering to recuperate from all the hard work she did on her trip.

fidosmommy said...

OC Girl said... I'm just wondering if one reason Kate won't admit to the breast enhancement is that Jon would ask "OK, so where did the cash come from, Kate?" and could bring it to court.
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If it's obvious to many of us that Kate's breasts have been enhanced somehow, I'm sure Jon who was married to her for 10 years would notice the difference immediately.


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Of course everybody's noticed. My question is can the court order her to get some sort of Xray
that shows they are there? I doubt that. So, if they don't know the doctor, don't know the facility, can't track the funds, etc., it is possible they cannot PROVE anything about Kate's enhancements and can do nothing legally to pursue it. However, if she ADMITS she has it, it at least gives them an opening to start asking questions and get at the truth. That's my point.

Moose Mania said...

. I have no idea if a he could in this case, but it would be a red-letter day if the judge determined that a psychiatric evaluation is in order for her.

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I was going to ask Admin a question along those lines. Exactly how bad must it get before the judge orders a psyc evaluation? What kind of evidence does the judge need? Or, is this a case of waiting until she finally cracks, or something tragic happens to one of the kids before somebody stands up and finally does something?

Who would submit such evidence? In addition to Jon (and/or his attorney) is there anyone else who could ask for a psyc evaluation?

Mom In Lancaster County said...

And according to another Berks resident, two family court judges there were convicted of taking kick-backs for placing children in some sort of facility...and may have received jail terms for this (apparently fairly recently).

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If it's the case I'm thinking about, it wasn't "there" in Berks County. It was in Luzerene County (northeastern PA) in February 2009. They pleaded guilty to income tax fraud and wire fraud and allegedly took $2.6 million in kickbacks to send teenagers to private youth detention centers run by the PA Child Care and Western Pa Child Care.

I never heard what sentence was imposed on them.

Karen said...

Admin, I've wondered about the Psych evaluation. What does it take for that to be ordered? Also, why isn't there a GAL on the Gosselin case? Wouldn't that take the pressure off the parents and keep things on more equal footings? Thank you for your hard work.

E-town Neighbor said...

Of course everybody's noticed. My question is can the court order her to get some sort of Xray
that shows they are there?

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It's her money. She doesn't offer an accounting of tanning salon visits, hairstylists in New York, alleged botoxing, etc. She could have had an entire body reconstruction, and I doubt that he could have done anything about it.

Additionally, the problem in PA is that the state is not among the few that have child support accountability. She could, theoretically, use support money for new "girls" and he'd never have access to that information. Unless, of course, their whole child custody/support agreement is so convoluted that an attorney could work a way around the lack of accountability law.

Are you kidding? said...

Of course everybody's noticed. My question is can the court order her to get some sort of Xray
that shows they are there?
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Please tell me you are kidding?

Actually, Tyra Banks did that on one of her shows to prove that hers were natural but even implying that a "court of law" gives a crap about Kate lying about plastic surgery? Please. I think Admin. sometimes lets those (probably planted) comments by so the sheeple have something to criticize.

Administrator said...

I'm not hiding anything. Kate herself admitted she was ordered to put the money back, i.e. she was found in contempt of the order--just because a document wasn't stamped doesn't mean it wasn't ordered. I have tons of documents in my possession right now that are just conformed copies and not stamped that are nonetheless valid court orders. I'm guessing it's a draft leaked to the press after it was ruled on. Where is Kate's libel lawsuit if it's not true? This would be a CLEAR case of libel if all this is untrue. Still waiting for that.

If Kate hadn't ADMITTED she f-ed up the money I would be inclined to give this the BS reading, but Kate admitted it! Kate admitted the court said she f-ed up the money. Explain that away.

Administrator said...

By the way this was leaked by E! news, far more credible than most entertainment sources. They are the last people who want a libel lawsuit after they've built a solid reputation. It would be different if it were say Perez.

This Is Priceless said...

You can talk, talk, talk all you want, but the fact remains that the link provided is not a signed court order but a document put together by Jon's lawyer. There is no "BS reading" -- the document is not a signed order by a judge. That is a fact. It is not open to interpretation. You also cannot dispute the fact that you have not seen the Judge's actual order. The BSer is you. How pathetic that you derive a sense of power from misleading your uneducated little flock.

Administrator said...

Let me clarify this since I'm getting some comments about this. The document linked in this post from Oct 09 is not fake. It's TIME STAMPED by the Montgomery County courts on more than one pasge. Obviously anyone can see that it was written by Jon's attorney as it practically says in huge letters written by Jon's attorneys. This documents outlines the grievences against Kate, it's a good reference and counter-claim to all of Kate's lies about her poverty. Take what you like from it. But the statement that Kate was held in contempt is not based solely on this document, which is OBVIOUSLY coming from Jon's attorneys, but rather, KATE'S OWN STATEMENTS that she was ordered to put the money back--folks, that's a fancy way of saying I was found in contempt of the court order. I am confident based on Kate's own statements she has been in trouble with violating court orders before, that is our point, her history of this.

And no sheeple I'm not really a lawyer, it's all a sham just like Kate, you should be used to lies.

Administrator said...

This is Priceless? Well when you respond to someone completely misrepresenting what was ever said here you do have to "talk, talk, talk" a bit to explain it to people with pea brains, sorry.

I went back through the comments and I don't see anywhere that I confused this document with an actual court order. What I said was this: "Kate had also accused Jon of improperly withdrawing money around the same time Oct 09. Jon said wait just a minute YOU withdrew money buster, and he took her to court. And WON."

This statement is CORRECT. Jon SAID, via these documents, Kate withdrew money, too. The COURT said, according to Kate's OWN STATEMENTS, that she did, and made her put it back. We only have Jon's moving paper, not the actual order, but Kate admitted that was the order so what more do you require? Signed in blood? So I don't get where the dispute is? Jon accused her of improperly withdrawing money and he won. I just clarified that this was coming from Jon's attorneys in case anyone was confused, I am not hiding anything. Why are you so on the attack about this? It does not change the simple fact that by Kate's own admission she was ORDERED TO PUT THE MONEY BACK.

No one is disputing what you are saying, do you get that? It's the sheeple who are making it up in their own head that someone said this is something other than moving papers. It's not.

I think the sheeple are mad because we are bringing up Kate's long history of violating court orders and they are the ones trying to hide it. Your queen admitted it, you can claim documents are false all you want but you cannot change Kate's own words.

Administrator said...

Priceless, the sheeple didn't "figure out" anything. Unless you count something that says in giant letters Jon's Motion "figuring it out." If they figured out anything it was because someone here pointed out the obvious, that this was just a proposed order, as far back as yesterday at noon. Which was like a mere few hours after I posted. And prior to that there was only one person confused that I see. Boo cleared it up, and so did several others:

From noon YESTERDAY:

"boo said... Admin, when I follow your link to the Oct 2009 document, I see the motion and Jon's proposed order"

So sheeple fail again at trying to dream up some kind of bizarre controversy in their head that never even happened. Scary.

Administrator said...

Good so you finally admit that no one said this was a court ORDER. The only implication is the implication the sheeple made up in their heads just looking to pick apart every single thing said on this site and make up controversies that are not even there. Very frightening. They claim we pick apart Kate, but they pick apart this site far more than anyone could ever do to Kate. Who is really obsessed with whom here? Hopefully they had time to do something fun over the MLK holiday besides imagining up a controversy here.

Administrator said...

And as for Jon withdrawing money, no one is trying to hide that, in fact I said way far up at the beginning of this post: "Kate had also accused Jon of improperly withdrawing money around the same time Oct 09"

I'm clearly not hiding this information, I put it out there. Sheeple are imagining things in their little sheeple heads.

Tucker's Mom said...

Admin, I'm wondering if you've been approached by Nina Frye to be on her show?
http://www.toginet.com/shows/livingthedreammom
Or, would you offer to call in and give your perspective and input? One of the reason why I love your site is not only the smart, insightful and CARING members here, but your insight as a lawyer and one who has an insider's view into the Hollywood/fame angle.
I would love for you to elucidate the matters of the custody orders, financial issues and most of all, that Kate has been in contempt of the court more than one.
I strongly feel that the public needs to know and Nina is only covering Kate Plus 8 for a month. Last week's show with guests Werny Gal and Paul Peterson was enlightening, to say the least.
Thank you.

Administrator said...

Tucker, she asked me to do her first show. I declined.

mama san said...

Pennsylvania is a backward Commonwealth state. re: spousal support payments: my ex owed me dental bill payments. I sent him paid receipts, he submitted to insurance, was reimbursed then pocketed money. I went to judicial support. I was told he could pay as little as $1 a month and he would not be in contempt.

Administrator said...

And as for Jon withdrawing money, no one is trying to hide that, in fact I said way far up at the beginning of this post: "Kate had also accused Jon of improperly withdrawing money around the same time Oct 09"

I'm clearly not hiding this information, I put it out there. Sheeple are imagining things in their little sheeple heads.

E-town Neighbor said...

Of course everybody's noticed. My question is can the court order her to get some sort of Xray
that shows they are there?

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It's her money. She doesn't offer an accounting of tanning salon visits, hairstylists in New York, alleged botoxing, etc. She could have had an entire body reconstruction, and I doubt that he could have done anything about it.

Additionally, the problem in PA is that the state is not among the few that have child support accountability. She could, theoretically, use support money for new "girls" and he'd never have access to that information. Unless, of course, their whole child custody/support agreement is so convoluted that an attorney could work a way around the lack of accountability law.

Laine said...

If Kate is in New York, I certainly hope Jon has the children and is getting to spend some time with them after all the time they missed together.

I guess Kate needs her pampering to recuperate from all the hard work she did on her trip.

Gosselin8ComeFirst said...

Let' face it. There have been so many sources of income for Kate- the show, the book commissions, book appearances, cash for photos with fans, non Kate Plus 8 tv appearances (DWTS etc..)plus one-time appearances on talk shows, etc.., endorsement fees for all the products her family has used, college funds set up, freebies, etc.. This does not include all of the donated items she received (remodel of her first home, kitchen remodel in new home (which was perfectly fine to begin with, cribs, etc... The list goes on and on, much we are most likely not even aware of. Her financial income/earnings are a maze, at best.

Regardless, it has been noted by the Queen herself, that she has much of the money socked away in investment accounts (not "liquid accounts")as she referred to them, which are probably earning interest. So considering how cheap she is, except when it comes to herself, there is most likely more than enough financial resources for her to walk away from K + 8 and be able to raise the kids through college. There is nothing stopping her from getting a job on her own in the public eye or otherwise. The problem is Kate knows she has nothing to offer the public and that the kids are the draw. We have seen how she tanks when doing any public appearances on her own (DWTS, The View, etc....). She also does not want to give up any of the perks with K + 8 - ie - Steve, limo rides, etc... so unless the Judge is able to hear the truth from the kids about how they feel about filming, I am not sure they will ever get a break. She wants to film them through college..... LOL. Yea - I can see that -Maddy - "Mom, get the hell out of my dorm room, and get a life." Snark. Sorry for the long rant, but after the expulsion of the 2 kids, and then pulling them from school, my disgust for the Queen has gone off the richter scale. Her audacity is beyond comprehension. Have not and will not be watching future shows- my silent protest in support of G8.

She did say it said...

"I never tuned into J&K+8 consistently, but I will always remember one of the couch sessions, maybe after the tups had been sick, where Kate made the comment re: one of the male tups-Colin?- "would someday make a woman very happy." Obviously referring to his anatomy. TMI-totally inappropriate and something that may get thrown in his face one day. Does anyone else remember that episode? "

I clearly remember this. After talking about his personality and discipline style, she said this "Oh, and Collin's wife will receive a very BIG GIFT one day" The tone and context and everything about that statement indicated it was about his anatomy, or 'package', not about his personality.

fidosmommy said...

I'm just wondering if one reason Kate won't admit to the breast enhancement is that Jon would ask "OK, so where did the cash come from, Kate?" and could bring it to court. I have no idea if they could force the issue if she denied having it, but once she admitted it, it could become part of Jon's case against her??
I'm just asking because I've never been to law school and don't know the limits of the law.

Anonymous said...

All Jon's lawyer needs to do is hand a copy of each season of the show to the judge. Exhibit A. "Take a look, your honor. Watch it if you can stand to. When you have finished, remember, if a picture is worth a thousand words, what story do these hundreds of hours tell? I rest my case."

Administrator said...

Every judge is unique. Some judges it can be like pulling teeth to get them upset at people. Sometimes this can be frustrating when you are trying to hold someone's feet to the fire. On the flip side, if you are representing the person doing the pushing it with court orders it can be good to be in front of a judge who looks the other way when it comes to that stuff since you can get away with more. One of the most valuable tools as an attorney is getting to know each judge you might be in front of and trying to predict what they will do--the most successful attorneys are usually quite good at playing to a judge's strengths and weaknesses. Other judges will sanction people left and right, sometimes it seems like for just "breathing." Sounds to me like the judge they are in front of is not one to sanction anyone, who is a "look the other way" judge. He may have strengths in other areas.

Administrator said...

For extra credit! How did Jon, from 10,000 miles away, tip off the paparazzi in New Zealand and Australia that Kate was horseback riding, at the zoo, out to dinner with Steve and the kids, and so on?

Mandy said...

As for this ruining the kids' vacation, I agree, if Kate is a good mother the children shouldn't know ANYTHING about this.

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If she were a good mother, she wouldn't have dragged her children through the mud via the public eye to begin with, so even if she is succeeding at speaking to the lawyers once the kids are in bed and keeping the kids off the internet and away from the grocery store tabloids, you can bet there are kids at the school who know all about everything and have thrown their private lives in their faces. (Lots of little kids watch this show. Why would the kids at their school be an exception?)

We all know how kids can be. Every school, every class, every group has a pecking order - no exceptions. I dread to think of the grade school hazing these children have already endured.

Kartie Dearest said...

TO: Emmy Members

From: Kate Gosselin

RE: For your Emmy consideration (tears included)

This was the Today interview show taped on October 9th, 2009-- the day I went to court to get my money back. I forgot to mention withdrawing $1,000,000 for a year. I had more than a $1000 actually.

As a side note, I lost the court ruling and was found in contempt of court for withdrawing funds without proper authorization and for two months of non-deposits into the joint account. In short, I got my a$$ kicked to the curb.

But nevermind that, please consider this interview for future acting roles or submit to Board of Psychiatry for pathological lying case studies.

p.s. warning - possum sighting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqyInUPV5BQ&feature=related

Priorities said...

lovetoread62 said...
Get your priorities straight said...

"...in the fleeting time we have on this earth, what matters is not wealth, or status, or power, or fame –but rather, how well we have loved, and what small part we have played in bettering the lives of others."
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So true. I've been to enough funerals to know that no one talks about how fabulous your body looked, or how much money you had, or how much fame you acquired. They talk about what a great friend, mom, sister you were... You can't take the fame and fortune with you.


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Can you imagine what there would be to say about Kate if her eulogy was written today? It wouldn't be pretty. In fact it would read like a tragedy.

Administrator said...

Yeah that's why Montgomery county to Berks. "foreign".

A Pink Straight Jacket For Kat said...

lovetoread62 said...
Get your priorities straight said...

"...in the fleeting time we have on this earth, what matters is not wealth, or status, or power, or fame –but rather, how well we have loved, and what small part we have played in bettering the lives of others."
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So true. I've been to enough funerals to know that no one talks about how fabulous your body looked, or how much money you had, or how much fame you acquired. They talk about what a great friend, mom, sister you were... You can't take the fame and fortune with you.

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Amen.

Administrator said...

By the way is there interest in the Reality TV tshirt in the sidebar?
We would need to order about 50 I think to get the price low enough to be reasonable for a tshirt, like $20.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_2gFjVIBTauc/TR6hkgs_71I/AAAAAAAABaA/Vq_xGatJjjc/S374/realitytvshirt.png

Administrator said...

I'm not sure what has been written if anything specifically about narcissists and honoring contracts and the court of law and judges. In general, they do not feel rules apply to them.

It certainly is consistent with a narcissist personality that a custody order need not be followed, arrangements with money need not be followed, visitation orders are something to follow if you feel like it, and you might show up late or not at all, visitation orders need not be followed if you have something better to do like go to Australia, orders not to discuss the case need not be followed if you are just defending yourself, etc.

Sound familiar? Have they written a textbook on Kate yet for psychology majors?