Tuesday, August 21, 2018

Jon: I have custody of Hannah. Kate: No you don't. Realitytvkids.com: Stop calling your 14-year old a liar, Kate

Some back and forth among Jon, Hannah and People Magazine, i.e. Kate, has resulted in quite a dispute over who has custody of Hannah right now. Hannah has said at least three times in Instagram live videos on her now-closed account that she lives with her father now, though still sees her siblings. Then in his own Instagram live a few days ago, Jon said the same. Jon and Hannah have also posted many happy photos of each other together over the past several months. Kate has not posted any photos of her with Hannah in ages. Then today, People magazine published a story claiming that Jon does not have custody of Hannah despite his claims.

So what's going on? Well obviously, Jon and Hannah are telling the truth and Kate is not, did you suspect anything else?! We're here to offer some solid information straight from the actual court docket on their family law case. As follows:

According to a common sense reading of the court docket on the Gosselin family case, Jon has had custody of Hannah since at least April 5, 2018, when a final custody order was made. This from this entry: Appellant, K.I.G., defendant below, filed a notice of appeal from the final custody order entered April 5, 2018.

Then on July 24, Kate's appeal was closed: "Notice of Appeal Closed July 24, 2018."

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The contentious battle over this particular child, Hannah, has raged since at least 2015, when Kate began calling the police on Jon over Hannah, who would defect to Jon's. Kate even went so far as to imply Jon could be molesting the child. Then in August 2017 a police report details an incident where Kate tried to pull Hannah by the arm out of Jon's car, which required Hannah to receive medical attention. And then there's the lawsuit filed by Kate sometime in the Spring of 2018 ticked about Jon seeking custody because he promised he wouldn't in exchange for no more child support payments. Now why would Kate be suing him if he didn't have custody of Hannah? Here's Jon's response, arguing this alleged agreement, which can't even be produced, violates public policy.

The docket matches what Jon and Hannah have been saying. The social media posts match what Jon and Hannah have been saying. The history matches what Jon and Hannah have been saying. In any event, TFW, please stop going to the press, or having Deanna or some other lackey go to the press, to call Hannah a liar. She's a child. It's despicable and you, Kate, should be ashamed of yourself.

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All This Is That said...

When was Milo's last IG post/comment? Has long has she been missing?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

You're conflating the two issues to an absurd degree. You are treating Kate and Jon as if they are normal parents who are spending their normal money, as if they are any other normal parent out there. They are not. They are parents with access to, by all accounts, a significant amount of money their children earned much of when they were just toddlers and earned it by being exploited. That money is special, different, than the money you have in your pocket to send your child to Lancaster. Nobody cares about THAT money or what you do with that, what don't you understand about that? Your money isn't DIRTY, theirs is. It's as simple as that.

The reason I bring up the issue of a trustee is simply to prove the point that courts have indeed recognized how important money earned during childhood is, that is a special class of money to be guarded carefully and that in fact parents do NOT just get to spend it how they sit fit.

Where do you draw the line? If a child has been exploited and earned 500k in total, may you spend 40k a year of that on school until it's gone? What about a 50k school a year? 60k? At what point is a parent called to answer for their choices as trustee?

Or, is it more prudent to send that child to a cheaper or free school, and leave them some money left over so when they are adults they can have access to their own money they earned by being exploited?

I'm sorry, but I firmly believe it's the latter, that if all this money is being blown on this school, then that's just wrong. Especially when there are such good public schools to choose from. Especially when I believe this school choice was about Kate, not the kids.

Who's going to be happier when they are of age? Hannah who has a chance at something left thanks to her prudent father, or the rest of the kids with nothing left but a stellar primary education that is nearly identical to Hannah's?

Nobody asks where you went to primary school. Lol.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Wow, here's a whole document. Link posted on Kate's IG.

https://www.docdroid.net/W8JMZvd/appellatecourtreportashx.pdf

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That's what we posted ages ago here.

Does Kate not read here anymore? Big mistake!

Layla said...

Admin (2)
I sure hope someone is monitoring the kids' money. If Kate has free access, the kids will end up with nothing. It has been discussed here that she is able to use the money for the health and welfare of the kids, but that is so broad--and Kate would absolutely take advantage of that. She could pay the mortgage, utilities, tuition, grocery bills, build a deck, etc with that money and it could go fast. If she used the kids' money to pay those bills, she could keep "her" money (the other 85% of the cash from the show) for herself. She already refinanced the house, which was supposed to be part of the kids' trust. And she took a lawyer's name off--was he the trustee? Can she just remove him at will and do as she pleases with the kids' assets? She has talked a lot over the years about her living in the house and the kids visiting when they're grown, so she obviously intends to be the one living in "their" house, while they can only visit. Hopefully there's someone looking after the kids' interests because she is only out for herself. I wouldn't be surprised if we hear, once the kids are grown, that they have nothing, while she never has to work again.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

dmin (2)
I sure hope someone is monitoring the kids' money. If Kate has free access, the kids will end up with nothing

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Agree. I'm not okay with the bulk of their money being blown before they're even old enough to have any of it, and I'm not going to apologize for that. I don't care if it's the best school in the country, if you blow the entire trust fund on it, that's just wrong.

Layla said...

Admin, you posted the link to Kate's IG? How dare you! You know she told her fans never to believe anything unless they hear it from her. And here you go, linking the actual court records proving she's a liar. You know she only posted that question about court docs because she thought nobody could produce anything. Brace yourself--she's going to unleash her die-hard fans to mock you. Next time think twice before you go and post the truth for all to see!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


ninnie0203@shelia_diamond No she doesn’t but her statement that she has full custody of all 8 children is plaster in magazines and social media is a lie

kateplusmy8@ninnie0203 oh? Where did you see the ‘court papers’ ...

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I love how she DOESN'T say....what statement? I didn't make a statement.

She knows good and damn well she texted Coyne.

Question is at what point does Coyne a supposed journalist dump this source after all the lies? As a former journalist that would piss me the f off I have a bogus source, I don't care, they're dumped.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Ha no I didn't post on instagram, I posted it HERE on the web site like weeks ago!

Kate acting all dumb like she doesn't know what's up.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


It seems to me going to a private school like they do keeps the students in a bubble. There may be some scholarship kids but they are mostly exposed to the same small group of rich kids just like themselves. I live in a nearby County and there are several excellent school districts.

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We discussed that a lot here. That environment may be just fine for any ole well adjusted kid. But we worried that these kids who are already SO isolated, and such an ODD upbringing, had spent so much time around adults and film crews instead of peers, were already displaying so much entitlement.....that bringing them into yet another bubble environment was not the best decision for them. That public school around a bunch of kids and all the diversity was everything that they needed. I hope such a layered environment enriches and inspires Hannah in ways her old school never could.

And the public school ain't gonna stand for the leaving school to film crap that they did.

Emily said...

It seems to me going to a private school like they do keeps the students in a bubble. There may be some scholarship kids but they are mostly exposed to the same small group of rich kids just like themselves. I live in a nearby County and there are several excellent school districts.

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I can speak to this, and I agree. It's an excellent school in many ways, but it is 100% a bubble environment, especially when you attend from kindergarten to 12th grade. Small class sizes, while beneficial for some kids, also mean that the pool of children you get to interact with is quite limited. Wyo isn't a college prep school, but it's a very good public school, considered one of the best in the area. Don't get me wrong, it's not the most diverse experience a kid in this area could have, but I think it will be worlds different for H. The small private school environment is not right for every child, and as admin pointed out, it definitely was a strange choice for children who were already being forced to work and therefore isolated from their peers.

AuntieAnn said...

Kate acting all dumb like she doesn't know what's up.

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Well, it's like this...Kate has special needs. [There's] a fairly fluid diagnosis of what those needs are, but she needs to learn certain strategies to help her deal with things.

Wowser said...

AuntieAnn 11- hahahahahaha! I love your remarks. Lol

NJGal51 said...

Abby Huntsman is joining “The View” as co-host for its upcoming 22nd season.

I guess TFW has been overlooked once again for the chair that she coveted. Too bad, so sad.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

AuntieAnn (#11), yes, bless her heart, she's plodding, plugging and chugging along while they try to help her be the best Katie she can be.

jamesvader1194 said...

@Admin I like to know whats Kate's excuse for both Hannah and Collin not being in the school picture and the picture of Hannah that jon posted then?Is she just going to claim hannah was sick or didn't want to be in the picture?How would Kate explain Hannah on live stream admitted that she now lives with her father?Its ironic how she commented on that after the fact that hannah not only hannah admitting it but even uploading the school picture with 2 children MIA.

Lorrie said...

James (15) — I doubt Kate will try to explain anything; she’ll probably just deflect & ignore.

FYI said...

With all the arguments and speculation about Hannah and Collin on Kate's Instagram, you'd think she'd at least post something like Jon did on his last post.

jongosselin1 Any negative comments about my children or family will be removed and You will be permanently blocked Forever!!!! #promise

I think Kate just doesn't care what people say, or she loves to see people argue about her just so she can see people defend her.

Sad but true said...

What? Does anyone else recall this?

nick_moy@jeska5589 I read one article that there was a court hearing for the incident on Aug. 2017. And the Judge ruled that Jon had manipulated Hannah, and as punishment he was NOT allowed to see Hannah for 30 days. And he would now only allowed to see the rest of the kids on Sundays in a park. And this came from Jon's mother's mouth. So if Hannah is staying with her father, I am sure it is 100% of Kate's permission... So what ever goes on, it's their business...

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

o if Hannah is staying with her father, I am sure it is 100% of Kate's permission

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Right, Kate gave her permission for all this then turns around and appeals the custody orders. THAT makes sense. Do they understand an appeal can cost thousands if not more dollars? But then this is a woman who blows tuition money on a private school times 8 for years on end when there is an award winning free school down the street, so maybe she ain't so good with the benjamins.

Sheeple. They once were blind and still are blind.

Concerned Aussie said...

jongosselin1 Any negative comments about my children or family will be removed and You will be permanently blocked Forever!!!! #promise

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Jon must be absolutely fed up with all this. I kind of get the feeling that since the original show was cancelled he's just wanted a normal life as an ordinary citizen. Yes, he chose at the time to put their lives out there but I think by the time he had an epiphany and wanted it all to stop, trying to fight against the relentless force that was his ex wife was more impossible than he could ever have predicted. Even eight years later. She's like a tornado. She will fight until the bitter end and too bad anyone who has the misfortune to get in her path.





Sad but true said...

So let's see if People picks this up.

https://radaronline.com/exclusives/2018/08/kate-gosselin-fights-custody-order-files-appeal-daughter-hannah-lives-with-father-jon/

Wowser said...

Uh oh Kate. It’s out there now. Time to come out from behind the curtain. You are not in control anymore. Your little money makers have voices now.
https://radaronline.com/exclusives/2018/08/kate-gosselin-fights-custody-order-files-appeal-daughter-hannah-lives-with-father-jon/

FYI said...

Sad but true said... 18
What? Does anyone else recall this?

nick_moy@jeska5589 I read one article that there was a court hearing for the incident on Aug. 2017. And the Judge ruled that Jon had manipulated Hannah, and as punishment he was NOT allowed to see Hannah for 30 days. And he would now only allowed to see the rest of the kids on Sundays in a park. And this came from Jon's mother's mouth. So if Hannah is staying with her father, I am sure it is 100% of Kate's permission... So what ever goes on, it's their business...
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He's referring to this article from InTouch dated 9/13/17.

https://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/jon-gosselin-mom-141679

Of course, he doesn't seem to comprehend that a lot of things can change in the course of a year.

Typical Kate fan who thinks everything about Kate is written in stone, and there's no possibility that things are different now. Guess he believed Kate when she said "I'm in charge, and that's never gonna change.".

Sad but true said...

Kate is a twit said... 23

Thanks, this one escaped me completely.

Anonymous said...

TFW doesn't want any negative comments about her children or family. She might just as well have added, 'but since Jon is not part of my family, you can blast away at him'. She dismisses the father of "her" children as if he was garbage.

bm

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I do remember that story now from 2017, but I still don't think it's at all fair for a sheeple to say Kate "let" Hannah go to Jon's. I also recall that she was yanking the child by the arm and calling the cops when the child went to Jon's. Hardly letting her out of the goodness of her heart. Baloney.

If she "let her" go to Jon's it was because she was not a toddler anymore and couldn't be thrown back in Kate's car where she belongs.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Oh by the way, the sheeple apparently can't read carefully. It was NOT Jon's mother who said that the judge took custody away from Jon. Jon's mother was the one saying Kate makes the kids chant they won't visit Jon and that she told the other kids not to talk to Hannah.

In the same article, it was a SOURCE who made the claim about the reduction in visits for Jon.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

And this came from Jon's mother's mouth

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No, it did not come from there at all.

NJGal51 said...

https://radaronline.com/exclusives/2018/08/kate-gosselin-fights-custody-order-files-appeal-daughter-hannah-lives-with-father-jon/

A quote from the article "In June, Kate filed an emergency petition for special relief, which fast-tracks an urgent case. This was also shut down by the court." I have to wonder if the real reason behind this particular filing was the fact that the kids were out of school for the summer and TFW needed them to be around for filming. I'm sure that the fake date show is going to require cameos and couch interviews/reactions from the kids. Kate Plus 8 Minus 2 just doesn't have the same ring to it and more people might start asking questions.

Blowing In The Wind said...

I like to know whats Kate's excuse for both Hannah and Collin not being in the school picture and the picture of Hannah that jon posted then?
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I don't think that Kate will make any excuses or even attempt to explain Hannah's absence. Why should she? It's obvious that Hannah is now with Jon and attending a new school. Let the fans come up with the excuses, and then Kate can just sit back and watch what they come up with.

Anonymous said...

I do remember that story now from 2017, but I still don't think it's at all fair for a sheeple to say Kate "let" Hannah go to Jon's. I also recall that she was yanking the child by the arm and calling the cops when the child went to Jon's. Hardly letting her out of the goodness of her heart. Baloney.

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I rennet reading about that incident. H wanted to go to foster care instead of going home with Kate. Kate also kept Jon out of the ER by saying he had an inappropriate relationship with H.

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Anonymous said...

Where I live, fast track custody decisions are reserved for children who are in danger due to things like abuse and neglect. So, it sounds to me like Kate was accusing Jon of being an unfit parent.

Andrea

JoyinVirginia said...

Hi everyone! Love reading the blog comments from everyone. The Former Mrs. Jon Gosselin is still boring. what is NOT boring: seeing a happy kid getting ready to go back to school! So glad to see Hannah smiling! Good for Jon!
Other things that are not boring: New Orleans! Just went there for the first time and enjoyed a French Quarter ghost tour. Years ago I gave a virtual Outer Banks tour. anyone interested in putting on your best crocs and muumuus and pearls for a virtual French Quarter tour/ party? I could do it on maybe Friday evening? Of course we can just hang out on Admins lovely verandah, with a cool beverage of your choice.
seriously, I had never been to New Orleans, and the level of public alcohol consumption did surprise me. I have now walked down Bourbon street with a go cup! (since you can drink anywhere, the bars serve drinks in plastic cups)

FlimsyFlamsy said...

C has been away from home for almost 2 1/2 years. Did TFW put the same effort into trying to keep him home as she did she did trying to keep H home? Or did he just have the bad luck of being the most expendable cast member?

Formerly Duped said...

FlimsyFlamsy said... 33
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This really disturbs me. Surely Collin must have made enough progress to be discharged in all this time?? If he has a GAL I guess it's under control but really- he was a kid with some issues then gone for soo long in the life of a child. He's missed so much.

Layla said...

If Kate let Hannah live with Jon, then why was he given custody? It seems to me that if one parent says a child can go stay with the other, that can be done without the hassle and expense of the court being involved. But the court gave Jon custody, and Kate unsuccessfully appealed that custody. This was not Kate allowing Hannah go live where she wants. This is the court saying the best thing for H is to live with her father. The sheeple seem incapable of deep contemplation. They'd rather believe in a fairy tale of their own making.

NJGal51 (31),
I think you're right about Kate needing the kids for filming. Even though K+8 is over, it must have been immediately apparent to Kate and to TLC that she just can't carry a show on her own. A few couch interviews with the kids, some of them helping her get ready for dates or giving her advice, might make her new show more palatable. It would be hard to do that with two of the kids gone. People will notice, ask questions, speculate. But she got shut down, and TLC has been silent about the new show ever since.

Layla said...

JoyinVirginia (32)
A party with booze and tacky attire? I'm in!

willowmom (now Piper's mom) said...

JoyinVirginia, you just plucked my heartstrings. New Orleans is my absolute favorite place on earth - I'm headed back for a short weekend in Oct. & then for Mardi Gras in Feb/Mar. I'm all in for your Ghost Tour (haven't done on of those yet), or maybe just sipping a Hurricane or Sazerac on the veranda, with some beignets or gumbo.

Layla said...

I just looked and there are all kinds of stories online about Hannah living with Jon and Kate's many failed attempts to win back custody of her. All of them are referencing the court documents showing her appeals being denied. She did this to herself. Her snotty IG question asking about the court papers resulted in the link to those court papers being posted there, and opened that can of worms to anyone who wanted to read the truth. She has nobody to blame but herself, and I'm loving it!

jamesvader1194 said...

@Blowing In The Wind I get what you're saying however,i've notice a comment by a fan who said that they were going to unfollow kate because they got tired of her ignoring questions that have been asked repeatedly and have never been answered.Heck,i've seen some comments that are getting frustrated with her over the months because she refuses to at least tell them collin is ok.The problem here is that the more she ignores her fans questions,the more people will leave her IG.

Sad but true said...

So has romance author mkbrownlow now assumed the Milo mantle?

mkbrownlowauthor@pure_integrity I find it interesting that your @ is “pure integrity” yet you spew hate and your own false twist to a story you personally know nothing about. Following someone just to fuel the hate fire says a lot about a person’s character. You may want to look up “integrity” in the dictionary.

mkbrownlowauthor@kmf524 🙌🏼 PREACH 🙌🏼

mkbrownlowauthor@atencio.maynes What is made public on TV has been approved to “be your business” everything else they do is NOT your business.

mkbrownlowauthor@lifes_a_gift_open_it Thank you for this comment! People in this comment thread claim entitlement to justify their nosiness!

mkbrownlowauthor@cynthia00001111 Your feelings about someone do not make them fact. You have the right to FEEL anything but it is wrong to HATE and spread HATE. You know no actual facts about the situation except the ones you’ve heard directly from Kate’s mouth. Everything you’ve posted otherwise is your HATE. That’s it.

mkbrownlowauthor@kherkel 🙌🏼YAAASSSSS🙌🏼

mkbrownlowauthor@janasnow @dague12 What is sad as someone who knows the family personally is how many people on this thread are damning Kate. How about taking a closer look at the “great dad” who according to his own posts has put Hannah in a different school than her siblings? Why are they supporting him for possibly fracturing a strong sibling bond and essentially isolating her from her family? FRUSTRATES ME!!

dague12@mkbrownlowauthor I wasn’t damning anyone I was just asking a question 🤷🏼‍♀️ I was just thinking it would be difficult for her to start over after knowing the same school from the beginning. I wish nothing but the best for ALL of them.

dague12@mkbrownlowauthor I agree with you btw

mkbrownlowauthor@dague12 No no, I didn’t think you were damning her at all!!! Sorry! I was saying I feel the same way you do about it NOT being a positive that she’s away from what is her norm. I was meaning OTHER people are damning her and putting him on a pedestal! Sorry for the confusion!! 😘

And here's all you really need to know about mk: "You know no actual facts about the situation except the ones you’ve heard directly from Kate’s mouth." So, NO other commentors, including her kids and ex-husband, are to be believed? Go push your crazy somewhere else, lady. This has been K8's line since time immemorial.

Lurking said...

Sad but true said... 40
So has romance author mkbrownlow now assumed the Milo mantle?

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Maybe she was Milo all along...a character she wrote

Formerly Duped said...

JoyinVirginia: Count me in! I've always wanted to go to New Orleans!

Lorrie said...

How about taking a closer look at the “great dad” who according to his own posts has put Hannah in a different school than her siblings? Why are they supporting him for possibly fracturing a strong sibling bond and essentially isolating her from her family? FRUSTRATES ME!!

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Yet it's totally fine for Collin to be sent away for more than TWO YEARS without so much as a backwards glance from his own mother? THAT is what I call truly "fracturing a strong sibling bond" and "isolating (him) from the family".

Sigh. The Sheeple make the ability to refute their ridiculous arguments almost too easy.

NJGal51 said...

Wasn't good old mkbrownlow the stale cereal lady? I think that TFW ignored her until she needed her for something. I remember that she was on the show as a babysitter/close friend/teacher, whatever. I think that they stressed her being a teacher when she hadn't taught HS for quite a while. She's a "paid" close friend like all the others. As far as Hannah going to a new school, I'm willing to bet that if she wanted to stay at LCDS that's where she'd be. That's pure Kate speak saying that she's being torn from hearth and home by her horrible father, who seems to have risen from the dead.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

So it's Brownie's contention that it's bad for H to be "away from what is her norm?" But what if "what is her norm" is not at all good for her? H grew up with TV cameras in her bedroom. She was raised in a house fitted with permanent production lighting. Her mother, instead of allowing the girl to deal privately with her parents' marital struggles and ultimate divorce, decided to let TLC document the whole trainwreck, and then brag about the ratings.

Speaking of reality TV kids, I wonder what kid expert Brownie thinks about Honey Boo Boo. She is obese, because a poor diet is her norm. Would Brownie suggest she keep up her unhealthy eating habits?

ncgirl said...

"I think Kate just doesn't care what people say, or she loves to see people argue about her just so she can see people defend her."

She wants the attention whether it's good or bad.

” everything else they do is NOT your business."

What Jon and Hannah do aren't your business, cereal lady.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

ncgirl (#46), and I would remind Brownie of TFW's own words: "We made our life your business."

NJGal51 said...

Why are they supporting him for possibly fracturing a strong sibling bond and essentially isolating her from her family?
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Isn’t that exactly what TFW did when she removed Collin from the home and when she (reportedly) told the other kids to shun Hannah for having the audacity to assert herself by staying with Jon and refusing to go back to the compound?

capecodmama said...

JoyinVirginia...I'm in! My husband and I spent time in New Orleans 20 years ago and loved it! The food was yummy, yum, yum. By the end of our trip my pants were skin tight. Your post brought back fond memories.

Concerned Aussie said...

So it's Brownie's contention that it's bad for H to be "away from what is her norm?" But what if "what is her norm" is not at all good for her? H grew up with TV cameras in her bedroom.

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This.. Hannah was a child and had no control over any of that. How can anyone think that was normal to grow up like that. Their whole childhood from birth was like some kind of creepy social experiment. Now shes 14 and can start fresh with her Dad's love and support and be a normal kid for the first time in her life. I'm sure an enormous amount of thought and weighing up was put into the decision to let her change schools, by people who actually do love her and want the best for her. And most importantly, allowing her to have a voice in what she wants to do for the first time in her life.

All This Is That said...

Oh, Brownie. Go in search of more stale cereal. It's what you do best.

Sad but true said...

I guess it's possible that Milo has returned under a different handle. This comment, from one of the original "fans," was left on K8's last IG photo:

carleneigras1@gooeycake Interesting profile pic. 🤔

She was responding to this:

gooeycake They’re easily found on the Internet.

gooeycake@koosa08312 They’re all over the Internet. Court dockets, too.

If you go to @gooeycake's IG page, the profile pic (there are no photos posted yet) is almost identical to the one Milo used to use on Twitter. So maybe it's a Milo impersonator? LOL

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Sad but true (#52), the Gladys plot thickens!

Poor TFW doesn't seem to have anyone with the microphones she wants to "own," on a talk show with the chairs her dreams, who cares enough to have her sit down to set the record straight. Her poke-and-dab days are behind her.

Sad but true said...

Does anyone here think that changing schools was not 100% Hannah's choice? I think she finally moved into an actual neighborhood, met and got to know kids her own age over the summer, and was maybe welcoming the idea of being able to get home before 5 p.m. and have time to hang out with friends. Something she probably rarely did at LCDS, given the long commute both ways. Who knows if she'll still feel that way next week or next month. I am sure if she wants to, she will be able to go back to LCDS with no issues.

The Hannah in Jon's first-day photo looks secure, confident, and happy. MKBrownlow to the contrary.

ncgirl said...

"So it's Brownie's contention that it's bad for H to be "away from what is her norm?" But what if "what is her norm" is not at all good for her? H grew up with TV cameras in her bedroom."

Unfortunately, some children's norm is abuse, drugs, and all kinds of horrific behavior. Should those children stay with that kind of norm?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


"So it's Brownie's contention that it's bad for H to be "away from what is her norm?" But what if "what is her norm" is not at all good for her? H grew up with TV cameras in her bedroom."

Unfortunately, some children's norm is abuse, drugs, and all kinds of horrific behavior. Should those children stay with that kind of norm?


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Quite honestly, Jon had no choice. Kate is the root cause of the parental alienation, the root cause of the sibling alienation, and the root cause of why Jon has even had to fight for time with his children in the first place.

What SHOULD have happened, Brownie, is Kate and Jon should have gotten along post-divorce and co-parented, working out lots of custodial time for BOTH of them, all the children at once, one on one, small groups and any and all combinations so that the children have a full, enriching, well rounded growing up experience with both their mother and their father, and never feel like there is any rivalry among the siblings for their parents' affection.

But, ya can't do the reasonable thing with Kate, so Jon has had to constantly been on defense and is to the point where he has no choice he's got to get Hannah, Collin and anybody else who will go out of there.

Per Jon's mother, whom apparently the sheeple believe, Kate told the children to SHUN Hannah. Just because she wanted to be with her father. Let that sink in, Brownie.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Something she probably rarely did at LCDS, given the long commute both ways.

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For a kid as healthy and well adjusted as Hannah, active with friends, school, sports and extra curriculars, it would be unlikely she would ever want to go back to her old school again. When you get one taste of less time on the road and more time for school and friends, it would be hard to go back.

I was on the edge of my school district, which covered two rather sizable spread out towns, one a farming town, so lots of big farm plots. The high school was in the farm town, I was on the edge of the next school district over in the other. So about a 25 minute drive to my high school without bus stops or rush hour (elementary was around the corner), BUT it was up to an hour with bus stops and traffic, and I found it quite taxing in high school to be on the bus for up to 2 hours a day. You really do find yourself passing on certain after school things just because you can't do it all and sit on a bus for an hour. This was long before the days when everybody's parents brought kids to school, which seems to be the norm now. Where I grew up everybody sat on the bus. But my situation was unusual, I was on the edge. Most kids weren't on the edge and had much shorter bus rides. It was just dumb luck. Looking back now I really wonder if I would have passed on the school play, or the school newspaper, or the swim team, if my commute had been easier. Surely things would have been different.

Layla said...

FlimsyFlamsy (53)
Nope, no microphones or chairs of her dreams anymore. She must miss the days when she called the hosts of the View her friends, when she only got softball questions from the press and nobody ever fact-checked her responses.


Sad but true (54)
I think Hannah would want to be close to her school friends. The Gs live almost an hour away from LCDS, and there are probably not very many of their school friends who live close to them. H was asked on IG if her siblings still talk to her and she said, "The boys do". How uncomfortable would it be to have to ride a bus for 2 hours a day with her sisters who won't speak to her? To have to spend all day at school with them? Now she can be away from them, be her own person, spend time both in and out of school with her friends. I think she'll probably be very happy.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...



How about taking a closer look at the “great dad” who according to his own posts has put Hannah in a different school than her siblings?

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Maybe the "great dad" would prefer Hannah wakes up at age 18 and has something left in her trust fund that was not blown on constant giant checks to "Lancaster Day School" when all along there was a truly spectacular public school down the road to her FOR FREE.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


This really disturbs me. Surely Collin must have made enough progress to be discharged in all this time??

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You may be looking at this the wrong way. Perhaps it's not Collin who needs to make progress to go home, but Kate.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Where I live, fast track custody decisions are reserved for children who are in danger due to things like abuse and neglect.

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Same here. Fast track appeals are for kids in limbo like foster care.

However I would not be surprised if all appeals involving custody issues are fast tracked in many states because around the country every state does believe children need decisions as fast as possible so they can feel stable and move on. If you don't fast track an appeal a kid could be waiting years for a final decision as to their custody which does happen sometimes but is not ideal and we avoid it as much as possible. In California courts want a final custody decision on a 6-12 month timeline, with some exceptions.

Sad but true said...

I do hope that the regular every-other-weekend visitation with Jon is still happening for the other three who regularly visited him. Unless Mommy has made it impossible for them to do so by behaving badly when they want to go.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

I bet socially it's a whole new world for H! At her age, friends are EVERYTHING. Now she can make weekend plans without asking Mom if they're going to be busy filming. And knowing how easygoing Jon is, she can probably have a friend over after school on short notice to work on a project, or just hang out together. Or if she wants to go to a friend's house, she can probably count on Dad to pick her up later. Do you think for a second that's the way things work at Ms. Gosselin's Home For Exploited Children?

While TFW once bragged about the "culturizing" filming gave her kids, I don't think she cared one whit about socializing them.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I bet socially it's a whole new world for H! At her age, friends are EVERYTHING. Now she can make weekend plans without asking Mom if they're going to be busy filming


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And weekend plans knowing her BFF doesn't live an hour or more away. You get to an age where you really need a lot of socialization with friends but don't have a lot of time, and you can bet your friend's parents are gonna say sorry we can't drive so and so to your house because it's an hour away one way and she has a science project she really needs to work on this weekend plus soccer plus grandma's coming.

The game changes when you're 15 minutes away.

Layla said...

I'm trying to figure out the timeline of all this custody stuff. It all seemed to start last summer, when Hannah refused to go home with Kate and when there was an altercation at the dentist or orthodontist. It sounds like the court was involved at that point. In March 2018 Kate filed her lawsuit against Jon to retaliate against him going for custody. On April 5 the judge entered the custody order giving Jon custody of Hannah. On May 4 Kate filed a motion for reconsideration (denied), and on May 8th she filed an appeal with the county superior court (denied). In June she filed an emergency petition for special relief (denied). On May 7th one of her lawyers quit (can't blame him/her. Can you imagine having an angry, vindictive Kate for a client? Yikes!) She has been in a frenzy for a long time. I hope all this legal wrangling is costing her a pretty penny. I believe she'd risk losing everything in order to stay in control. I hope the court strikes down her lawsuit against Jon. How could they uphold something that is not in writing and is against the best interests of the kids?

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Layla (#66), that timeline may help explain TFW's relative silence on social media all summer. I bet she's spent the past few months seething about losing H. And those poor kids didn't even have the refuge of school to stay put of her path.

We saw her lose her s**t over a silly drawer knob. And that was in front of a houseful of crew members and cameras rolling. Can you imagine her temper behind closed doors about something of this magnitude?

Sad but true said...

New story by ROL. Why are they always so far behind real time?

https://radaronline.com/exclusives/2018/08/kate-gosselin-daughter-hannah-shuts-down-instagram-page-amid-custody-battle/

Sad but true said...

A few more recent ones I hadn't seen:

https://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/kate-gosselin-appeal-165405

https://thestir.cafemom.com/celebrities/214231/kate-gosselin-fights-regain-custody-hannah

https://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2018/08/kate-gosselin-vs-jon-gosselin-inside-their-battle-over-hannah/

How can People ignore this? Especially when they just issued that "K8 has full custody of all" story? Unbelievable.

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