Tuesday, June 5, 2018

Gosselin v. Gosselin: Jon's Petition to Open and/or Strike Judgement

In jaw-dropping court documents, Jon's attorneys essentially lay out a 2012 agreement in which Kate blackmailed Jon to not seek custody legal or otherwise under penalty of $125,000 in child support arrears plus $8,000 in interest and fees.

https://radaronline.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Jon-Gosselin-Slams-Kate-132K-lawsuit-docs-1.pdf

According to Jon's lawyers, Kate has been unable to produce the actual documents of the alleged agreement. She is however asking Jon to pay up now that he has asked for custody.

Jon's lawyers are asking the bill nonetheless be reduced to zero, arguing that the 2012 agreement would be prohibited by law, is vague, has not even been produced to review, is against public policy and not in the children's best interest.




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Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

My synopsis:

There is a May 2012 agreement between Jon and Kate nobody has the actual docs of, but people seem to agree it says that if Jon tries to ever file for custody including legal custody, he will then owe Kate the 120k in arrears he previously owed plus 8k in interest and fees. (So basically she blackmailed him to keep the kids for a bounty, wow Kate, just wow)

My comments, so, it was never filming that had Jon over a barrel, but rather, Kate used the ARREARS as her bargaining chip to do whatever she wanted. Bingo.

Jon's attorneys are claiming that the original "agreement" is not valid prohibited by the Civil Rules of Procedure. Nice he has an attorney cracking a few books.

They also want to kick it because the terms are vague and nobody even has the actual terms.

They're also making a public policy argument (awesome!) that it's simply wrong for a parent to be able to blackmail a parent over support, that a parent should be free to petition the court at any time regarding what is in the best interest of the children, without fear of owing some huge sum. Exactly!

They're also making a best interest argument to strike the 2012 agreement because it's not in the best interest of the children (for Jon not to be able to seek custody, etc.)

This is a big bombshell. She is a total nightmare. She BLACKMAILED the guy for 7 years.

Sad but true said...

Wow, that's quite the smoking gun! I doubt the kids will be able to understand it, at least not right away, but basically Mommy held them hostage or else she would attempt to either bankrupt or put Daddy in jail due to these supposed "arrears." (I hope there's eventually some documentation on that part; I don't believe he could have owed that much, this is some sleight-of-hand on her part.) And I wonder if she threatened them with, "If you go live with Daddy, he's gonna have to go to jail because he owes me soo much money." That's some powerful leverage right there.

The venality of this woman is beyond belief. I hope this matter convinces TLC to cut ties with her, I can't see how any man (paid or not) in his right mind would have anything to do with her, on camera or off.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


If Radar actually has the "shocking court records", then why do they go on to say that "it remains unclear" why TFW is demanding money from Jon? If they actually have a copy of the complaint, they would know exactly why TFW is demanding the money.

As usual, Radar is full of it.

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Spoken too soon! It looks like they have ONE of the filings but not everything else. From the filing they do have, you can kind of tell what is going on, certainly far more than the summary that Radar had (figures). Jon is the petitioner, so he definitely filed first. What exactly he asked for is unclear, but it's safe to say it had something to do with asking for custody.

I don't think it's unclear at all why Kate is filing, as Radar suggested. Kate is bringing up some ancient agreement she cut with Jon, paperwork she apparently can't even produce, that says he can't file for custody. In retaliation for his original filing for custody. And so what we have is Jon's response explaining why her invoking that agreement is stupid.

I just cannot imagine a judge in the land who thinks that is a good agreement to draw up with a child's biological father. With a surrogate father, of course.

And the whole thing is really absurd. Hannah is LIVING with Jon anyway. You can punish Jon all you want for it, but that ship has sailed. So you can either put the custody in writing or not, but to penalize him for simply being there for his daughter who wants to stay with him is simply disgusting. How's he supposed to support YOUR DAUGHTER if you bleed him dry? It's cliche, but think of Hannah for once Kate.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Remember how we had said for years there is something missing here, some piece of the puzzle that makes all this back and forth make sense, we just don't know what that is?

This 120k blackmail money is that missing piece. It explains everything, why this has all been so hard for him, the stakes at play if he pushed for anything. I'm only sorry Jon just really hasn't been quite slick enough to crack through that nonsense way back in 2012 when she tried to start it. Geez, what a mess.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Jon also seems to be saying, although some of it is redacted, that Kate has already filed to recover this money though some other process, appears to possibly be directly with the child support division.

So bitch is trying to attack him from all angles getting her blood money paid up. Pick one avenue and pursue that, don't knock on all kinds of doors all over. That's just shady.

Sad but true said...

It sure sounds like Kate did in fact "bargain away" her kids' support from Jon. Obviously, though, done outside the framework of the court. Wouldn't that be at least one good reason why her claim for the money would be thrown out by the court? Since she had no right to bargain their CS in the first place? All the more ironic since they've been paying for themselves all along. I hope some judge goes THERE.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Remember how smug Kate's attorney was saying how benevolent Kate was to "forgive" Jon's support?

Bitch didn't forgive nothing, she was just saving it in her back pocket as her ace in the hole in case she ever needed it to really blackmail him out of doing something. She wasn't forgiving support, she was being STRATEGIC. She didn't need the 100k then, but she might need it later and might need to use it as a tool. Make no mistake, she is a conniving fox. Her own attorney fell for her stupid crap. People are her tools and so is money.

Also, think about how insane this is. It's not like Jon seems to really be pursuing the kids that seem to want to live with Kate. Fine. He just wants to officially have the kid who has been living with him ANYWAY, which is only fair. And if the kid is living there anyway and will likely stay there anyway, the support merely becomes a punishment to both Jon and Hannah for what is happening anyway and likely will happen anyway. Jon and Hannah aren't going to wake up one day and say okay Kate you were right you can have Hannah back. Hannah is a person with feelings, not a pawn you can move around the board. This is straight up punitive, and any judge will see that.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

She makes me sick to my stomach. Her children are like chattel to her. The incongruity between the supermom image she tries to peddle, and the downright evil manipulative cow she really is, is absolutely staggering. I've never hated her more.

The good news is, these 8 kids are all teenagers now. They are no longer just 8 Little Meal Tickets, or 8 Little Bargaining Chips. Their voices will be heard. And in the profound words of Katie Irene Gosselin herself, sometimes God builds in punishments.

handinhand said...

Tyvvm Admin. I was looking forward to your interpretation of this doc.

Sad but true said...

OMG. Comment on the ROL article:

"Does he get a credit for the one she threw away ?"

Ziiiiiiing! That's gotta hurt.

Hey Admin, what's with the new "I'm not a robot" verification?

Old poster said...

It’s been stated on this blog for years that the court does not allow parents to make their own private deals concerning child support—apparently that’s not true?
If Kate is going through the child support division to get the arrears in question, the courts would have these needed documents.a parent just can’t call the child support division and whine about it- there’s got to be some sort of legal documentation filed.
And that much in arrears?? He said over and over he was current on child support.
How is Hannah living with him yet he doesn’t have legal or physical custody?
If he does have custody, why isn’t he suing Kate for child support?

It’s a damn shame how this family destructed.
She will NEVER get over Jon stopping the fake family tv show. I can’t think of anyone who is filled with as much hate for an ex. She’s got to be the most miserable person on the planet.
So much for Her Christianity persona, she’s as black hearted as they come. There’s no ‘good’ in her- greed,pride and envy are her downfall.

Layla said...

Well, we now know that Jon is pursuing legal custody of at least one of the kids, and Kate is spitting mad about it. She was sooo contemptuous of Jon in media interviews, and now we know why. She thought he wouldn't dare stand up to her. It looks like she was willing to let Hannah live with Jon, as long as she retained legal custody. In other words, she was willing to let Hannah go, as long as she could still force H to film. Which is what we have always believed--she doesn't really care about the kids, as long as she can force them to support her.

It looks like there are a lot of good reasons why Kate's request for money should be thrown out. Most importantly, that agreement was never in the kids' best interest.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like Kate never provided a copy of the original agreement--just claimed that the agreement exists and she wants the money. Why would she file to collect on an agreement without providing a copy of the agreement to prove that it actually exists? Is there something she's trying to hide? Or is she just trying to scare Jon into dropping any custody case he has going on?

AuntieAnn said...

People are her tools and so is money.

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This is no surprise. Commerce. That's all those kids are to her. That's all anyone is to her. She is a mercenary bitch.

Kate is a twit said...
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NJGal51 said...

Just W.O.W! She really is an asshat. Why would TLC even want to be associated with her now. It boggles the mind.

Former Lurker said...

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 3

If Radar actually has the "shocking court records", then why do they go on to say that "it remains unclear" why TFW is demanding money from Jon? If they actually have a copy of the complaint, they would know exactly why TFW is demanding the money.

As usual, Radar is full of it.

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Spoken too soon! It looks like they have ONE of the filings but not everything else. From the filing they do have, you can kind of tell what is going on, certainly far more than the summary that Radar had (figures). Jon is the petitioner, so he definitely filed first. What exactly he asked for is unclear, but it's safe to say it had something to do with asking for custody.

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Yes, Radar now has Jon's filing and they posted the document. But, clearly they didn't have a copy of the initial filing that was the subject of their article last week or they would have posted it.

Kate is a twit said...

According to the court docs, Kate & Jon allegedly entered into that agreement on May 18, 2012.

Yet, according to an old article from ROL, Kate's attorney, Cheryl Young, said the following:

"“I read Jon’s statement on RadarOnline.com and was quite surprised to read that he claims to be struggling to keep his child support payments current. As of April 27, 2012, Kate voluntarily relieved Jon of all current and future child support obligations for their eight children,” she said."

https://radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/08/kate-gosselin-jon-gosselin-child-support/

Cheryl Young gave this statement to ROL in August 2012. So which is the correct date that they entered in to this agreement? The court docs say on or about May 18, 2012. Cheryl said otherwise, April 27, 2012.

Since Kate can't provide any proof of the terms of agreement, I wouldn't doubt that it was not written nor signed by either of them.

Sad but true said...

This is what burns me. There are soooo many fans out there that continue to claim that Jon is just a deadbeat. When in fact, Kate (through her lawyer) came right out and said, 6 years ago:

"As of April 27, 2012, Kate voluntarily relieved Jon of all current and future child support obligations for their eight children,” she said."

I'm glad you went back and pulled his, KIAT, I wish it could be published somewhere again to shut these people up. Not to mention, he always was supporting them when they were able to spend time with him.

Bitch has a lot to answer for.

Former Lurker said...

Sad but true said... 6

It sure sounds like Kate did in fact "bargain away" her kids' support from Jon. Obviously, though, done outside the framework of the court. Wouldn't that be at least one good reason why her claim for the money would be thrown out by the court? Since she had no right to bargain their CS in the first place? All the more ironic since they've been paying for themselves all along. I hope some judge goes THERE.

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Yes, we finally have confirmation that she did in fact sell her kids just so she and TLC could film the hell out of them.

As Admin has said many times, TFfW doesn't have the right to give up child support. It's the right of the kids.

But, as you said, the point is these kids have been supporting themselves - and TFW! - forever. I'm convinced TFW has never spent a dime of "her" own money on the kids. All the money for her and for them came from her selling them out to TLC.

All these years, this witch has been threatening Jon that he better not dare to try for joint legal custody or physical custody of any of the kids or she'll go after him financially. Again, when SHE hasn't paid a dime towards the kids' expenses. Rather, she's lived pretty nicely off of THEIR work.

She disgusts me.

Layla said...

It makes me happy to see the comments on articles like these. People really understand what an evil shrew Kate is. Of course, there's always that one person who calls Jon a deadbeat, but others always jump to his defense. I wonder how TLC feels about this latest negative publicity. It seems ridiculous to air a dating show starring such a horrible person, but maybe they think that all publicity is good publicity and this will cause more people to watch. I hope this dating show ends up being a huge embarrassment for both Kate and TLC. Serves them right.

Former Lurker said...

What the hell kind of lawyer does TFW have? Who files an action based on some mysterious agreement they claim to have made but don't have a copy of?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Sad but true said... 6
It sure sounds like Kate did in fact "bargain away" her kids' support from Jon. Obviously, though, done outside the framework of the court.

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The attorney seemed to be sort of pointing that out without directly calling it a shady back door deal. He keeps saying where is this alleged document out there? Pony it up.

Kate probably lost it in all the clutter on her dining room table somewhere. If she filed it with the courts, the courts would have it on file. There would be no need for her to produce it and if she loses it as people tend to do it's not a big deal.

I'm not even sure I believe Jon signed anything. She could literally be making this all up. But, the court is not going to look favorably on her cooking up some shady back door thing when she knew good and damn well a judge was involved in her case and making the decisions. This is SO CLASSIC nightmare family law, doing shit like this. Darn I wish we could see that hearing.

Jon kinda is a doofus if he signed that. Wake up, 2012 Jon.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Former Lurker said... 21
What the hell kind of lawyer does TFW have? Who files an action based on some mysterious agreement they claim to have made but don't have a copy of?

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The former wife does.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Gladys is probably poring over inspirational quotes as we speak to tweet to her beloved. Either that, or she'll ask a dog question to deflect. She will never see her queen for who she really is: a cold, selfish cow.

Sad but true said...

Obviously, an important part of this sentence was missing:

"As of April 27, 2012, Kate voluntarily relieved Jon of all current and future child support obligations for their eight children, IN EXCHANGE FOR EXCLUSIVE OWNERSHIP RIGHTS TO SAID CHILDREN,” she said."

I always thought it sounded incomplete.

Former Lurker said...

I hope TLC is watching all this and they never air her stupid Fake Date with Khate show.

Former Lurker said...

I'm posting the full Radar article again in case anyone wants it:

https://radaronline.com/exclusives/2018/06/jon-gosselin-slams-ex-wife-kate-132k-lawsuit/

Exclusive Details

It Gets Worse! Jon Slams Ex Kate’s Attempt To Collect $132K From Him In Court
He claims his former wife’s court filing is ‘against the best interest’ of the kids.

By Melissa Roberto
Posted on Jun 5, 2018 @ 18:29PM

Jon Gosselin is furious over his ex-wife Kate’s attempt to collect over $132,000 from him in court!

RadarOnline.com broke the news that Kate filed a lawsuit against Jon in March 2018, claiming that he owes her $132,875.

Now, in court documents exclusively obtained by Radar, Jon called Kate’s request “an inappropriate amount” of money.

As Radar previously reported, Kate claimed her ex-husband owes her money because he breached an alleged “agreement” between the exes. However, Jon’s attorneys pointed out in paperwork that Kate did “not provide any proof of the language of that agreement,” court docs stated.

In his latest response to the lawsuit on May 8, Jon explained that he believed the judgment has to do with “child support arrears” that would be owed to Kate if he “filed a petition to modify custody” of the kids. Neither Jon nor Kate’s filings make it clear whether or not any changes have been made to their pre-existing custody agreement.

READ THE SHOCKING DOCS HERE!

Jon’s attorneys requested the court to strike the judgment from $132,875 down to zero dollars.

Additionally, Jon claimed Kate’s request “prejudices the welfare and is against the best interest of the minor children.”

As Radar readers know, Jon and his daughter, Hannah have been posting photos and videos together within the last month. The father-daughter duo have fueled rumors that Hannah ditched Kate and moved in with Jon.

Most recently, Jon posted a selfie with Hannah announcing that “school is almost over.”

Jon also recently celebrated his “missing” son Collin’s birthday with him last month.

In 2016, the notoriously critical Kate accused Jon of acting inappropriately with Hannah in a shocking police report. Jon denied the claims.

Could Kate’s lawsuit be an act of retaliation for Hannah spending time with her dad? Let us know in the comments!

Layla said...

I suspect that if Kate has this agreement, she would have filed it when she filed this ridiculous lawsuit. Maybe they did sign something and she can't find it, but she figured she'd file this lawsuit anyway to try to scare Jon. If she can scare him into withdrawing any custody petition, then she wins. But she should have learned a valuable lesson the last time she tried to sue him--Jon fights back. She'd better be able to produce this agreement, and she'd better have a good lawyer (and money to pay legal fees) if she hopes to prevail. She's probably livid that Jon still has the nerve to fight. She tried so hard to emasculate him to the point that he'd cower in fear of her, and she failed. Go Jon!

AuntieAnn said...

Could Kate’s lawsuit be an act of retaliation for Hannah spending time with her dad? Let us know in the comments!

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Well DUH, Radar. Ya think?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Seriously though, I cannot imagine going into court based on a document that MIGHT exist and that based on something I haven't seen, writing a whole motion on that. It's absurd not to mention borderline unethical if not completely unethical.

The problem is if I can't see the document myself I ain't filing nothing. Like I would trust Kate's representations!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Could Kate’s lawsuit be an act of retaliation for Hannah spending time with her dad? Let us know in the comments!

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Well DUH, Radar. Ya think?

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No, this isn't retaliation. Kate quite rationally and reasonably was looking through her paperwork in her bedroom one evening, completely sober, and realized, oopsie, I accidentally cut a deal with Jon/blackmailed him back in 2012 and oh noes, he's in violation of this! Since I'm a contract-honorer, so the only correct thing to do is to bring this to a judge's attention. It wouldn't be right to pretend I didn't see that. I have to come clean!

In 2012 he squeezed and pinched and hurt my neck.

God Radar. Get with the program.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


"As of April 27, 2012, Kate voluntarily relieved Jon of all current and future child support obligations for their eight children, IN EXCHANGE FOR EXCLUSIVE OWNERSHIP RIGHTS TO SAID CHILDREN,” she said."

I always thought it sounded incomplete.

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Not even incomplete there, OR ELSE she will bill him 130,000. So it's not really in exchange of anything. That implies consideration. If you don't have consideration, that's called BLACKMAIL.

I wouldn't press her luck with blackmail contracts. They could be found to be, uh, blackmail. Illegal and all that. She's going to run out of chances with the judge, it's not a nine lives thing.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Yes, Radar now has Jon's filing and they posted the document. But, clearly they didn't have a copy of the initial filing that was the subject of their article last week or they would have posted it.

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Yes I agree, they didn't have anything but either a docket or just hearsay before....but I'm ok with them saying what they knew, because I think it helped to draw out this document. Now I want to see KATE'S filing, that's where the money shot is.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


It sure sounds like Kate did in fact "bargain away" her kids' support from Jon. Obviously, though, done outside the framework of the court. Wouldn't that be at least one good reason why her claim for the money would be thrown out by the court?


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His attorneys are pretty much saying what she did was illegal and for that reason alone throw it out.

She really has some nerve, throwing out there some very, very questionable, back door, possibly even illegal agreement, like it's her smoking gun. See, see here, I blackmailed him and now he's violating my blackmail! You're taking a mighty big bet the judge won't say, wait a second when the F did you come up with this and why wasn't I a part of it?!

Quite frankly, you're risking sanctions, even contempt, for this shit.

She really is cocksure.

We said this all along, there are no backdoor deals in child support. It....don't....work....that.....way.

Oh you can DO them, but it doesn't make them OKAY.

Former Lurker said...

I'm not sure if TFW's lawyer is an idiot or if he/she is taking sucker TFW for a very expen$ive ride.

MikeB said...

Obviously the original agreement absolving Jon of his accrued child support obligations was made in exchange for Kate to have control over the childrens' filming. TLC had announced the cancellation of Kate plus 8 and the last episode aired in September 2011. I have no doubt Jon's objections to filming caused the end of her gravy train.

Then, just a few months later, she gets her lifeline.
Jon gives up all control of the kids and Kate immediately gets back in bed with TLC and begins formulating her TV return. She wound up filming an additional 29 episodes beginning with the Tups birthday episodes that aired in June 2014.

In essence, the payments from TLC were a replacement for Jon's past-due child support. I wonder if the argument that the money Kate received from filming should offset what she said Jon owed her in 2012 would hold any water. At some point that debt should be considered paid, and Kate has made a lot more money from filming than she would have received from Jon in child support.

Kylie said...

What I can't help but think about is this, somehow, someway the judge has sided with Kate the bitch almost exclusively but when does this judge finally say 'enough Kate, you are done'?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


In essence, the payments from TLC were a replacement for Jon's past-due child support. I wonder if the argument that the money Kate received from filming should offset what she said Jon owed her in 2012 would hold any water. At some point that debt should be considered paid, and Kate has made a lot more money from filming than she would have received from Jon in child support.


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That’s actually a really good argument the lawyers should have used. That essentially Kate indirectly made out like a bandit by taking custody of the kids and that but for this agreement Jon would have continued to stop filming and she would have lost out on lots of money. So in essence she would get the money just through another source. So now she wants to double dip! Although the agreement doesn’t apparently say it the intended result is indeed she can film and make money. So splitting hairs.

Darn, good argument. She’s such a tool!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

And why can’t Jon “pay” her through tlc anyway? They are his kids too as much as hers. To turn around now and say he owes her a bundle when she WAS getting paid a bundle is just disingenuous. Every dollar those kids made was 50 percent hers and 50 percent his excluding the small percent required to be put in trust. By allowing her to pocket all the blood money he allowed her to have HIS 50 percent. Regardless of how odious it is that parents have almost complete control of money their kids earn, That’s still payment pure and simple. Frankly it’s the same as him leaving the house and giving it to her when they both were entitled to half. He has just “paid” her his half by not living there and that will have to be made up somehow and was. Money in divorce comes in many forms and all judges understand that.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Kylie (#37), I'm wondering (read: hoping and praying) if the difference now is that the children's feelings/opinions might come into account. Were they made to film against their will? Were the ones who wanted to see their father prevented from doing so? Did the rigorous filming schedule exacerbate whatever C's issue/condition might be? If so, then TFW was most certainly not acting "in the best interest of the children."

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Where is this agreement anyway. It would be really hilarious if she lost it. She’s so organized you know. And what a doofus for losing it. It’s kind of important!

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Admin (#41), maybe TFW can write a blog post about the missing agreement. They can all gather together and see who looks the most guilty, and ostracize that person. Oh, wait, it's Mom!

lurking said...

This doesn't surprise me in the least. I've always thought that they had an unofficial agreement that she wouldn't ask for child support if she had full custody. It's perfectly legal...you can set whatever amount you want if you both agree to it. I've agreed to less than calculated when my ex was out of work. But it never ocurred to me that she also had the arrears hanging over his head. What a shrew.

lurking said...

While I can't imagine agreeing that my ex could have full custody in exchange for money, I also think he probably had no idea she would selectively withhold kids from him.

Blowing In The Wind said...

His attorneys are pretty much saying what she did was illegal and for that reason alone throw it out

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I'm confused. If Kate had an attorney involved in the legal work here, even if Kate can't find documentation or can't (or won't) produce it, wouldn't you think that her attorney certainly would have documents and proof of such an agreement? However, if all of this went on behind closed doors, without court approval relieving Jon of support payments, wouldn't that be a reason for failure to provide proof that such an agreement existed? It would have been illegal draw up such an agreement.

Indirectly, although Kate did forgive past and future child support payments, it did have to do with filming. If Jon didn't have custody of the kids, then Kate was in control of them and could film the crap out of them.

There were so many people who said that Jon is not doing anything for the kids, not taking her to task for visitation rights, etc., many saying that if the kids were their kids, they would fight for custody no matter what. Now we know that she was blackmailing him and she held all the cards, so to speak. We knew that there was much more to this story. It has finally come out.

I think that bitch is too nice a word for her. Raging, toxic lunatic is more like it.

Her attorney, in that statement about relieving Jon of child support, made it sound like Kate is such a kind, compassionate person who recognized Jon couldn't afford such payments, but the attorney left out an "if" in that declaration..."if" he doesn't fight for custody.

Here we have a parent who is working two jobs, just wants to be a regular Joe who wants more time with his children and wants custody of them, and she's nailing him for it, and she's trying to get him where it hurts...in his wallet. She's despicable.

I wonder if she knows that there will be no more filming of kids, that TLC is done with that, the stash for what they have earned is dwindling fast and this is a last-ditch attempt to get cash to support her lifestyle.

AuntieAnn said...

Where is this agreement anyway. It would be really hilarious if she lost it. She’s so organized you know. And what a doofus for losing it. It’s kind of important!

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I remember a few years back when she had to produce records or receipts of her expenditures for a another post-divorce battle she was having with Jon. Some photographer took a photo of her at Kinko's (?) and magnified the handful of various scraps of paper she was holding with her middle school chicken scratch writing all over it. She's a slob by every definition of the word. She probably uses empty wine bottles for paperweights.

Anonymous said...

Funny how no one is commenting on the flip side of the coin. Jon was willing to allow his kids to film, something he claimed was harmful to his children, in exchange for not paying child support. What does that say about him?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

. It's perfectly legal...you can set whatever amount you want if you both agree to it. I've agreed to less than calculated

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I don’t completely agree with that. And that’s especially not true if you have an open case which they did in which the judge is supposed to be deciding this. You can’t put some issues in front of the judge and back door others. JON should have tattled about this Milo style! But it is true that people work out support informally all the time, but even when you do that you cannot use it as a bargaining chip or to blackmail as Kate did. Sure people do it but if you get caught you could end up in a huge mess with the courts.

In other words it’s perfectly fine for dad to agree to pay 500 dollars because that’s what they agree to. What’s not fine is for mom and dad to agree to pay only 500 dollars if dad will not contest the house and car in the divorce. Not cool, illegal, and it’s exactly what Kate did. I’m glad jons attorneys are having the balls to say this was illegal.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

This is not the first time Kate has been careless with important documents. Her journals!!

Sad but true said...

Anonymous said... 48

Except this was 2012, when Kate had been out of filming for close to a year. Jon had no reason to think she was going to get the opportunity to film again. And by cooperating with her proposal, perhaps he thought, in addition to the obvious benefit to him of not having to pay support to HER, that she would be more generous with visitation and he would be shouldering his fair share of everyday expenses by paying when they were with him. It's all speculation, of course, but it's important to remember, the children were paying for THEMSELVES so it was no skin off Kate's nose to void the CS.

NJGal51 said...

Where is this agreement anyway. It would be really hilarious if she lost it. She’s so organized you know. And what a doofus for losing it. It’s kind of important!
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Maybe she does have it but the lawyer took a look at it and advised her NOT to produce it because it would prove that she’s been holding it over his head (blackmailing) him all these years.

Layla said...

Blowing in the Wind (45)
I don't think Kate is out of money yet, but she knows that she needs to film or she will run out. If Jon gets custody of Hannah, then the show is over. C gone, H not filming, M&C leaving for college...Kate Plus 4 (at the most) just won't cut it. She may be able to pull something off with most or all of the tups home (she'd bring C home if that's the only way she could film), but I suspect there's something going on with custody of Collin, and that's why Jon has been posting pictures with him. Kate has 9 more years of big tuition bills to pay before the tups finish college, plus all the other huge expenses of maintaining their lifestyle. She could easily end up broke if she can't film the kids. She can keep borrowing from their trusts, but there's a finite amount of money there. She'll have to start using her own stash. She NEEDS to win this, and she'll lie and cheat to try to make that happen. But Jon isn't going to take this lying down.

Isn't it fun when Jon fights back? I imagine Kate tearing her hair out and gnashing her teeth in sheer frustration because Jon won't take her abuse and she can't force him to.

Hey, Milo, your "wimpy boy" isn't so wimpy now, is he?

Anonymous said...

Kate is very calculating. We now know what she was holding over Jon in order to continue filming the children. I can't wait to see what she is holding over TLC as the reason for their continued filming of her. I don't believe for a second that they are willingly filming her/the kids without Kate threatening them with something.

CrispyBacon

Layla said...

I wish there was another GoFundMe for Jon. I donated to the last one, but I was very conservative because there was some question in my mind over whether he would really go through with seeking custody. Now we know for sure (and confirmed by Kate's new filing) that he did file for custody of Hannah--and maybe more of the kids. I checked the FGM page for the last one, and no further donations were being taken.

jamesvader1194 said...

Layla (53)I still wouldn't put it pass TLC if they still went with a growing up gosselin show with the reminding kids,if for some reason the last 4 want to film still that is.Although apart from Mady,i can't see the 2 reminding boys wanting to and Alexis,i don't see anywhere where she's like Mady and likes the spotlight.I don't know,some thought that TLC would of never brought back the duggars but they did under Jill and Jessie.Not to mention Jon and kate to just Kate and now kate plus date,who knows which tup will be on that show.

Nicky said...

Jesus, Kate! The divorce was almost 10 years ago. Move on. What a hateful person - How many other people have you destroyed, or attempted to? Is this the only thing that gives you joy?

What a sad life. I really do think this is her karma. She will be sitting alone in her mansion, guaranteed. The only frightening thing is, is that she will have 8 new targets and their families one day.

Anonymous said...

I'm sure I'm not the only one concerned about the strain all this is putting on the children who remain with her in the mansion as she rails at them about "your father". As always, she considers only herself without a thought about what all this is doing to her little breadwinners.

bm

FlimsyFlamsy said...

bm (#58), I share your concern about the kids. Especially since school is ending, and they will likely be stuck at home during the day with a raging narcissist for most of their summer vacation.

AuntieAnn said...

I'm sure I'm not the only one concerned about the strain all this is putting on the children who remain with her in the mansion as she rails at them about "your father".

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I imagine she's put herself on bedrest, ordering in her meals and doing 'important' paper work from within the confines of her bedroom. I do feel sorry for the kids and dogs. It would be like having to live with a fire-breathing dragon in the house. Or like that scene from The Exorcist when Merrin entered the house and the demon called out his name from upstairs. I believe she is just THAT scary.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

AuntieAnn (#60), I'll never forget the dresser knob incident. She was so quick to rage over something utterly inconsequential. They were freaking toddlers! Toddlers break things and spill things and lose things, and lie about it. That's how they navigate their world and learn to make better choices. I can still hear her growl, "Well, SOMEBODY did it because I'm HOLDING it!" And don't forget, she did this in front of a camera crew. Heaven knows the decibel level when no one is around.

Unknown said...

If she has filed with some enforcement agency to collect the CS i believe she needs to provide a court order or agreement or they won't enforce it .We have the Family Maintenance Enforcement Program here in B.C. and these documents are mandatory for enforcement. So unless she is lying, she must have something enforceable.

Paper Plates Forever .

Former Lurker said...

TFW's last Instagram post was on May 22nd, the pics of the dogs and her garbage about how much she missed them and the (remaining) kids. Before that, she posted the pic of her and Jaime on the plane returning home from "work" on May 20th.

I'd like to think that her IG silence these last couple of weeks is due to recent developments, Jon and Hannah posting several pics together and also pics with Collin. But, since she implied that she just came home from a filming trip on May 20th, I have a feeling that the reason she's been quiet is because she's still filming her dumbass Fake Date with Khate show.

Perhaps that Radar article, with the link to the court documents, should be emailed to TLC along with a suggestion that they read the comments. How TLC can think it's a good idea to waste money filming a horrible, despised person like TFW is just incredible. Plus, they now have to be concerned that this lawsuit will be asked about if and when TFW does any publicity to promote the show's premiere in the fall. Trying to promote a show about a lonely "single" mom re-entering the dating world and looking for love while she's yet again suing her ex-husband, (ten years after the divorce), doesn't seem like a good plan to me.

AuntieAnn said...

Flimsy, that was a real giveaway as to her temper. They were terrified and the way they were cowering, it was obvious they thought they were going to get that wooden spoon again.

I don't believe she's mellowed either like she says she has.

All This Is That said...

I think Kate might be treading on thin ice here. She better have all her ducks in a row because if this goes to court, she may have some explaining to do. It could backfire on her...big time.

We saw what happened with the other lawsuit she filed for the safety and welfare of the kids.

NJGal51 said...

Flimsy, that was a real giveaway as to her temper. They were terrified and the way they were cowering, it was obvious they thought they were going to get that wooden spoon again.
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Agree but what I remember most is that “happy dance” that one of the boys did when she left. That, in my mind, was just a toddler’s natural reaction of relief that they got off the hook without a beating.

Rainbowsandunicorns said...

Perhaps that Radar article, with the link to the court documents, should be emailed to TLC along with a suggestion that they read the comments. How TLC can think it's a good idea to waste money filming a horrible, despised person like TFW is just incredible.

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I really don't think that they care, and they most likely know by now. If they think that episodes of Kate on a date will bring in big bucks for them, then that's what they will do. I think they are counting on the fact that viewers know Kate is a royal bitch, and that's what will draw in the viewers who want to see how badly she behaves. This whole lawsuit thing might work in their favor. I would really be surprised if they would cancel the new show.

Anonymous said...

Perhaps that Radar article, with the link to the court documents, should be emailed to TLC along with a suggestion that they read the comments. How TLC can think it's a good idea to waste money filming a horrible, despised person like TFW is just incredible.
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Oh good grief. I assure you that TLC tracks press about its talent and doesn’t need you to alert them. I also can assure you that they are well aware that Kate is not universally beloved. They don’t CARE as long as she makes them $.

Dmasy said...

Every once in a (rare) while my hubby inquires as to what is happening with the "Kate stuff". Today he asked and I gave him a thumbnail report of the recent activities. The lawsuit, the age of the twins with upcoming collage, and the Collin sightings and Hannah's relocation and a potential dating show.

After a slight pause, he responded, I guess her new show could be called "Kate Plus 1/2 of the Eight Go On A Date".

Should I send that suggestion to TLC?

Former Lurker said...

Anonymous said... 68

Oh good grief. I assure you that TLC tracks press about its talent and doesn’t need you to alert them. I also can assure you that they are well aware that Kate is not universally beloved. They don’t CARE as long as she makes them $.

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No need to be so snotty, "Anonymous" (Hey Admin, what happened to Rule #1, by the way?)

Don't worry, "Anonymous", I have no intention of contacting TLC. I've never emailed or contacted them or any other TV network in my life. And, reading comprehension should have made clear that I did not say that *I* was emailing them.

As far as TLC, they apparently gave the go ahead to this new show before TFW filed this lawsuit against Jon. It's not out of the ordinary to question whether this would have affected their decision. Yes, we all know the old saying, "No press is bad press". But, in TFW's case there has been a LOT of bad press and it hasn't exactly translated into stellar ratings. How did her one (fake) blind date episode do? Not a ratings blockbuster as far as I recall. Yet, here they are with this new dumbass Fake Date show. Oh well, it's their problem.

AuntieAnn said...

NJGal51 said... 66

Agree but what I remember most is that “happy dance” that one of the boys did when she left. That, in my mind, was just a toddler’s natural reaction of relief that they got off the hook without a beating.

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Yes that was sweet. That's how you spell relief in toddler language. We didn't know then what we know now, thanks to her journal, just how severe her punishments really were.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

hat TLC tracks press about its talent and doesn’t need you to alert them.

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I think the circumstantial evidence is Kate frequently disregards TLC's advice, orders, and doesn't tell them things they should probably know. I wouldn't be so sure TLC knows what's going on with her these days. But, I do think it's probably true even if they do know, they don't much care. To a point. Just like with the judge, I wouldn't be so sure she has endless chances with TLC. It's much more kosher these days to let go a star for major and sometimes even minor transgressions, than to be loyal. I wouldn't press my luck if I were cock-sure Kate.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


After a slight pause, he responded, I guess her new show could be called "Kate Plus 1/2 of the Eight Go On A Date".

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Hey, hubs is onto something. I was trying to figure out how they were going to rhyme this all now that it's down to 7, 6, 5 and so on. He figured it out. Just fraction it out. 3/4th of the Eight, 1/2, 1/4, 1/8. Depending on the day. He's a regular Notorious Milo with that skit-skat.

NJGal51 said...

I think that TLC will only become concerned with TFW’s shenanigans is if they think that they will somehow be held culpable..."sometimes you're just as culpable when you watch something as when you actually participate". I’m sure that they saw a lot and that there is a lot on the cutting room floor and yet they did nothing but continue to film. I wonder if TFW has a #metoo on someone over there.

jolie Jacquelyn said...

NJGal51 said... 74
I think that TLC will only become concerned with TFW’s shenanigans is if they think that they will somehow be held culpable..."sometimes you're just as culpable when you watch something as when you actually participate". I’m sure that they saw a lot and that there is a lot on the cutting room floor and yet they did nothing but continue to film. I wonder if TFW has a #metoo on someone over there.

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I think this is IT....

Former Lurker said...

NJGal51 (#74), Yes, and didn't this all start with greedy, unethical TLC interfering in the split up of this family, demonizing Jon, paying for TFW's divorce attorneys and making sure TFW secured full, sole legal custody for one reason and one reason only - so TLC and TFW could continue to film the crap out of them and make lots of money off them? They should be forced to answer for that one day.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


NJGal51 (#74), Yes, and didn't this all start with greedy, unethical TLC interfering in the split up of this family, demonizing Jon, paying for TFW's divorce attorneys and making sure TFW secured full, sole legal custody for one reason and one reason only - so TLC and TFW could continue to film the crap out of them and make lots of money off them? They should be forced to answer for that one day.


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They only took Kate's side because she wanted to still film. If Jon were the one who wanted to film they would have taken his. They're so transparent. They don't REALLY care about this divorce, they have totally stayed out of all the mess later because it doesn't really significantly affect filming much anymore. They may lose Hannah and Collin but it's not like even if Kate did have custody they could force kids that age to film anyway. There's part of me that almost felt sorry for the way Kate acted like TLC was her best buddy and greatest ally, because they'll leave her in the dust the second it doesn't align with their interests.

RoxyHelen said...

NjGal51 #66 It was Collin who did the little dance.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Funny how no one is commenting on the flip side of the coin. Jon was willing to allow his kids to film, something he claimed was harmful to his children, in exchange for not paying child support. What does that say about him?

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You must not read carefully, because I specifically said that instead of signing the damn thing Jon should have tattled to the judge that Kate was trying to do this! If this agreement even exists (she still hasn't produced the smoking gun) of course he shouldn't have signed it, but that is a statement made with the benefit of hindsight.

He's a doofus, but hindsight is 20/20, and he very well may have had a rational reason for doing so. As someone pointed out, at THAT TIME, it didn't even look like they would be filming much. So, he gets out of his support he couldn't afford anyway and this way he can actually live and support the kids when they are with him himself, and he can stop fighting back and forth back and forth with Kate about every last little thing and just let her call the shots on school and things. The kids are going to get educated any which way you slice it, is it worth it to be fighting over this until the end of time?

If I have an out of control ex who is making my kids' lives a living hell living through this custody battle, yeah I might consider taking a risk and signing something like that.

You will learn seeing family law cases like this over and over that you can to a point where you'll try anything, anything at all to defuse a raging parent. Even if it's a big fat risk, you get to the point where you have nothing to lose.

Is Jon a doofus at times? Absolutely. But does anyone honestly know how to handle Kate in the state she gets herself in? Be fair.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


If she has filed with some enforcement agency to collect the CS i believe she needs to provide a court order or agreement or they won't enforce it .We have the Family Maintenance Enforcement Program here in B.C. and these documents are mandatory for enforcement. So unless she is lying, she must have something enforceable.

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Well, she probably has the original arrears statement. That she would have. She could just product that and call it a day.

She conveniently doesn't have some document saying he HAD to pay those if X, Y, and Z happened, but the agency might not require that.

I love too how Jon's lawyers called her out for trying to double dip. That was great.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


I'm sure I'm not the only one concerned about the strain all this is putting on the children who remain with her in the mansion as she rails at them about "your father".

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Sadder still, I bet my bottom dollar she is raging about "your sister and brother" too.

Sadly, I'm afraid these kids don't have a chance. They just don't.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Maybe she does have it but the lawyer took a look at it and advised her NOT to produce it because it would prove that she’s been holding it over his head (blackmailing) him all these years.

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If the lawyer advised her not to produce it, I'm not sure what the lawyer is thinking writing an entire motion about it. The first thing people are going to ask is where is the document in question!?

This is pretty basic lawyering. You never ever, ever, ever make representations about something you have not seen or cannot produce. Even if your clients aren't doing it intentionally (memory is a funny thing), their recollections of what something says is often flat out wrong.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Her attorney, in that statement about relieving Jon of child support, made it sound like Kate is such a kind, compassionate person who recognized Jon couldn't afford such payments, but the attorney left out an "if" in that declaration..."if" he doesn't fight for custody.


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Exactly! She was so smug! She definitely painted a picture that Kate had had her come to Jesus moment and realized that all this was doing was just hurting the children and that she wasn't going to chase after Jon for money he didn't have when the children are well cared for. She pardoned him, just like Amon Goth in Schindler's List. I pardon you.

Jon's attorney said something too, and Kate's attorney snapped back. I cannot remember what Jon's attorney said, I would like to see that now.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


While I can't imagine agreeing that my ex could have full custody in exchange for money, I also think he probably had no idea she would selectively withhold kids from him.

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God knows what she told the guy but it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if she said I promise I'll honor our custody arrangements and that going forward things are going to be much more amicable between us. This backdoor agreement is our pledge and olive branch to each other and a fresh start.

She is manipulative, never forget that.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Admin (#41), maybe TFW can write a blog post about the missing agreement. They can all gather together and see who looks the most guilty, and ostracize that person. Oh, wait, it's Mom!

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But she'll really blame Joel, then NOT TELL THE KIDS when it turns out it was actually her!

The paparazzi, the haters, and anyone who goes by the name Aunt Jodi, leave the room now.

Winsomeone said...

My son has CS for his two children here in Ohio. The court orders it to be collected by the state, and it gets taken right out of his salary, and is that way for everyone. The only way it can be changed is by a court order..no side deals for sure.

AuntieAnn said...

The paparazzi, the haters, and anyone who goes by the name Aunt Jodi, leave the room now.

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lol! Admin, it might be time for hitler Parody II - lesson learned from sloppy filing.

Lanc Native said...

My son has CS for his two children here in Ohio. The court orders it to be collected by the state, and it gets taken right out of his salary, and is that way for everyone. The only way it can be changed is by a court order..no side deals for sure.

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That's the way it is done most of the time in PA. The employer gets a notice from the court about how much to withhold from the parent's salary. However, payments may also be paid with payment coupons, credit cards, money orders, etc., but the money doesn't go directly to the recipient. It's sent to the agency that collects child support payments and the parent gets credit for that and receipts for that payment.

Kylie said...

Good Housekeeping is reporting this month that Kate's net worth as of 2018 is only $200,000. Now I am not bragging, not for a minute, but our mediocre family has much more than that. It's an interesting article about comparing reality show earnings and hers is really low. This begs the question, how in heck is she paying for her mini-mansion? Oh, could it be she is suing Jon to pay her mortgage, you know sort of like the fans love to say Jon needs to pay his rent so he comments releases stories and photos. What a nasty piece of work she is.

AuntieAnn said...

Former Lurker said... 75

- so TLC and TFW could continue to film the crap out of them and make lots of money off them? They should be forced to answer for that one day. 

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I'm still waiting for that goose that laid the Gosselin egg, Eileen O'Neill, to get hers. She hatched the whole plan, got rich off of eight little lives and is probably living happily ever after now. Some people have no conscience. I hope she knows that Karma waits patiently.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

However, payments may also be paid with payment coupons, credit cards, money orders, etc., but the money doesn't go directly to the recipient. It's sent to the agency that collects child support payments and the parent gets credit for that and receipts for that payment.

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Exactly. The state wants it done on their watch because they have an interest in making sure their states children are supported as well as keeping track of it for tax purposes and also so no one comes back later claiming they weren’t paid.

CC said...

Anonymous said... 47
Funny how no one is commenting on the flip side of the coin. Jon was willing to allow his kids to film, something he claimed was harmful to his children, in exchange for not paying child support. What does that say about him?
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Uh, where does it say that???

He supposedly agreed to not go after CUSTODY of his children in exchange for not paying arrears in child support. HUGE difference.

He still had visitation with his kids. He still expected to be able to see all his children and be a part of their lives.

We don't even know that if Jon had legal custody of all the children if he would have been able to prevent Kate from filming the kids when she had visitation with them.

Jon didn't have the money to pay the $130,000 in arrears. He probably wouldn't have been able to get full legal custody of the children anyway, at that time. They were all a lot younger. Sure, I feel he should have fought for joint legal custody but we don't know the specifics. They probably already agreed on the school, religious upbringing, medical decisions, and all the other major decisions, aside from filming. They weren't filming at the time anyway.

He probably saw it as a win-win to be able to still see his children on his visitation days, and use his earnings to support his children when he had visitation with them. I don't think he ever dreamed she would ship off Collin without telling him.

Regardless, you said the he permitted his children to be filmed in exchange for money, and that's not what was the documents claim.

foxy said...

Kylie 88...Kates networth has always been $200,000. Same with other celebrities but I can't see that is true.

Layla said...

There was an online account where Jon was required to pay his child support. I went back and looked (just Google Jon Gosselin Owes Kate $3600 back child support), and it was reported in April 2012 that Jon owed $3,557.06 to Kate, and the outstanding amount was on the Pennsylvania Department of Child Welfare on the Pennsylvania Child Support website. This was the month before Jon and Kate supposedly entered into this agreement. Kate is claiming he owed her $125,000. but the documented amount was only $3557,06. Where does all that extra money she is claiming come from? And if he stopped paying, why wasn't it showing up on the state website? Was Kate fraudulently claiming he was paying? Was she maybe clicking some "paid" button on the website each month? That's fraud too, isn't it? Seems to me that she's so focused on destroying Jon, she's not stopping to think about the trouble she could get into due to this backdoor deal.

Thinking back on the incident with the dresser knob, I seem to recall that Kate first confronted the girls with the knob, and they said the boys did it. She then confronted the boys, and freaked out on them when they denied it. She just blindly believed the girls, but not the boys. Kind of like globe-gate. The girls are believed without question, while the boys are blamed (and raked over the coals) without proof.

AuntieAnn said...

Layla said... 93

She just blindly believed the girls, but not the boys. Kind of like globe-gate. The girls are believed without question, while the boys are blamed (and raked over the coals) without proof.

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Don't forget the cupcakes. The boys were not allowed to have their cupcakes and to add insult to injury they watched the girls eat theirs. It was sad. Happy birthday boys. Not.

(And before anonymous gets too huffy...Yes I know, both Jon and Kate felt it was justified)

FlimsyFlamsy said...

AuntieAnn (#94), TFW is on the record saying boys are "icky" and "dirty." And that's when they were adorable, precious, pudgy little toddlers. Then when they were bigger, she complained that their room "smelled like boy." She sure seems to have some issues with the male gender.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Seems to me that she's so focused on destroying Jon, she's not stopping to think about the trouble she could get into due to this backdoor deal.


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This is classic Kate. She gets very one-track and focused, and tends to only see one path and one result, disregarding other possible outcomes.

I am sure it hasn't even occurred to her a judge might not be very happy about what happened in 2012, with both of them, not just Jon.

I think it hasn't occurred to her she will ever come out the loser on any of these things she pulls.

AuntieAnn said...

I think it hasn't occurred to her she will ever come out the loser on any of these things she pulls.

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The sting from that spanking she got from Jon and Shawn Tuma must have worn off. Maybe she wants another one.

JR said...

That net worth has been at that number even when they were worth millions...so take that number with a grain of salt

Unknown said...

I would like to know how a person's net worth is calculated. How in the world would anyone truly know where Kate has hidden her money? I have always believed she is a cunning snake with regards to money. She showed us that by couponing,cheaping out on kid's clothes etc . I don't think she would be spending to the degree that she has (iPhones) if she was heading to the poor house. She has invested all that money that she acquired in her hey day and i believe she is quite financially set. Again,she is a snake and remember what her grandfather taught her, PLAN AHEAD . She said there is never enough money . Rich people say that and us mediocres have never understood it .Lol .

Paper Plates Forever

NJGal51 said...

She has invested all that money that she acquired in her hey day and i believe she is quite financially set.
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She probably has invested well however, if she doesn’t have a regular paycheck coming in she’s got to tap into that money. Also, if she doesn’t work enough quarters she won’t qualify for social security and she won’t have a pension. She’ll be paying out of pocket for everything.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


She probably has invested well however, if she doesn’t have a regular paycheck coming in she’s got to tap into that money. Also, if she doesn’t work enough quarters she won’t qualify for social security and she won’t have a pension. She’ll be paying out of pocket for everything.

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The steady income is the key so you don't have to dip into principal or dip in at all. If she doesn't have that, which she doesn't, that money will go faster than you can blink.

jolie Jacquelyn said...

Admin, I love your photo of "Better Call Saul". Can't wait for another season. Have you heard when that might be?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


He supposedly agreed to not go after CUSTODY of his children in exchange for not paying arrears in child support. HUGE difference.
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He agreed to give up LEGAL custody in exchange for not paying back child support. In so doing, he have up the right to have a say in whether his children were filmed. He absolutely allowed his children to be filmed in exchange for not paying. Denying that won’t change the reality.

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He didn't absolutely anything. The agreement itself is very clear, Kate dropped the bill, Jon dropped legal. It says nothing about what was to happen as to filming. We don't even HAVE the agreement.

Doesn't it make a lot more sense that Jon would do this to get a SIX FIGURE payment off the books so he could go on with his life and not be living in poverty forever? I do agree with you that certainly filming was a result of this, but it remains highly questionable whether this result was something either party was sure of. Remember, at the time the show was over and they weren't even filming, and TLC was only promising a few update specials. If you're a betting man, a reasonable risk to take could very well be they won't film much if at all in the future, the huge bill will be off your back, and you can just calm the mother down and start seeing your kids and move forward.

Not all bets pay off. This one didn't in a dramatic way. But you want to Monday morning quarterback it when you have lots of information JON DIDN'T HAVE at the time, like that TLC would be far more interested in filming these kids for far more years than ANYONE thought. This could very well have turned out dramatically terrible for Kate. What if TLC decided in 2012 they're never going to film again? They certainly could have. Now she's out filming AND 100k. Both parties took risks and somebody had to lose. The point being is they never should have done something like this without the judge's opinion, they both should have known better, and they are both equally at fault. But Kate's portion of the deal just somehow smells shady, since she was willing to give up a HUGE sum of money that would support her children just for the ability to MAYBE film them in the future? Think about that. It's pretty darn psycho. And she bears more responsibility because she's back here years later actually trying to enforce it, instead of admitting she never should have done such a thing and throwing it out.

Legal custody only gives the parents rights to sign off. It does not give parents veto power over the other. If you want to dispute a sign off, you have to go to court, and few have the money or time to constantly be doing that. There is no guarantee Jon would have been able to stop filming even if he had legal custody.

Anonymous said...

#97

AuntieAnn, your comments NEVER fail to be on the same page as my mindset :)

laurajean

NJGal51 said...

Admin, I love your photo of "Better Call Saul". Can't wait for another season. Have you heard when that might be?
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6 August is the date I’ve seen.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I think Better Call Saul is back aug 7?

CC said...

Anonymous said...

He agreed to give up LEGAL custody in exchange for not paying back child support. In so doing, he have up the right to have a say in whether his children were filmed. He absolutely allowed his children to be filmed in exchange for not paying. Denying that won’t change the reality.
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That would only be a reality if Jon signed a document specifically allowing his children to be filming in exchange for his arrears in child support. That’s not what the lawsuit says. So you’re making assumptions and claiming they are facts.

Fact: There were no new episodes aired in 2012, 2013, 2014.

The last episodes in 2011 were the RV fiasco with Jamie complaining about Kate and Andrea quitting.

Maybe Jon felt confident they wouldn’t film after that. Maybe he knew something you didn’t. For all we know Jon put a stop to filming, if you want to make assumptions.

New episodes aired THREE YEARS later after the supposed “agreement” if which we haven’t seen.

The kids got three years off from filming after this “agreement.” So your “reality” doesn’t add up.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

CC (#107), I tend to give Jon the benefit of the doubt in most cases. What I saw with my own eyes on the show was Jon as a kind, gentle, attentive, patient father would did most of the hands-on parenting. Whereas I saw TFW as a critical, impatient, lazy, defensive, unkind mother who presented herself as a victim every chance she could. And as TFW admitted her show was the "realest reality," and "what you see is what you get," why would I doubt that that portrayal was accurate?

Gigi Be said...

Posted under Ronnie’s photo in Instagram a few weeks ago:

Kateplusmy8 Miss you!😘
Ronniedietrich @kateplusmy8 M took this picπŸ€—

Strange how Kate can miss a hairstylist, and show utterly no emotion for the son she threw away. And she followed it up with a kissing emoji. Apparently if you can do something for Kate, you are worthy of her affection. I wonder if he does house calls?
But since she said she missed him, he must have not been around to touch up her hair.
I think Ronnie and M hang out together, because Kate wasn’t even aware of M taking the picture.
I think the friendship between the twins and Ronnie is a bit odd. I don’t think there’s anything innapriopriate going on. But still, he’s older and lives in NYC. He lives a totally different life than what they’re used too in Pennsylvania. Plus they’re still in H.S

Ronnie started off working at Ted Gibson’s salon.. And it looks like when Ted stopped doing Kate’s hair, Ronnie stepped in.

“Ronnie's high profile clientele currently includes Kate Gosselin, Patina Miller and Matthew James Thomas”.Ronnie's work has appeared on the covers of Seventeen and People magazine; on-screen for Kate Plus 8, The Rachael Ray Show, Dr. Oz”.

http://brushnyc.com/colorists/




Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

The Finale ~ 9/12/11 Discussion ~ Recap
Sextuplets Turn 10: Part 1 ~ 6/19/2014 Discussion ~ Recap
Sextuplets Turn 10: Part 2 ~ 6/26/2014 Discussion ~ Recap
Kate Plus 8 New England Adventures ~ 1/13/2015 Discussion ~ Recap

This timeline is revealing. There was nothing between 9-11 and 6-14. There was ONE special in 2014. One. Then filming ramped up in 2015. They also did ONE episode of Wife Swap. So for a whopping over three years Jon got to keep his 100k and the kids filmed all of twice. Jon filmed more than the kids! He did Couples Therapy during that time.

AuntieAnn said...

104 laurajean, I know! She just won't quit trying to avenge Jon all these years after their divorce and she refuses to go away.

Admin, I think you can officially subtitle your blog banner with "15 MINUTES GOSSELIN STYLE - Kate, the Turd That Won't Flush".

>snark<

Sad but true said...

And it's back to the dog. #Gnugnu

kateplusmy8 #Summertime #RelaxMode #Nanuq 🌳🌞🌻

AuntieAnn said...

OMG. Anthony Bourdain has died by suicide. I am shocked and saddened.

Silimom said...

Hi all - I’ve been enjoying reading everyone’s take on the latest Gosselin news.

I’d like to point out as well that 2015 was when the Josh Duggar molestation scandal started coming out. TLC saw the writing on the wall and needed a back up show to cover the hole in Duggar programming when they canceled it.

That is, in my opinion, the reason Kate plus 8 started regular filming again. Had the Duggars not imploded, I’m not even sure Kate plus 8 would have returned, at least not regularly.

Layla said...

One thing I can definitely take away from this lawsuit is that Kate still intends to film the kids for as long as possible. Even now that she has a dating show coming up, she understands that if she hopes to continue filming, she will have to have the kids on board. And since she let her nursing license lapse (according to her), it's plain to see that her only plan going forward is filming. She is leaving herself no other options. It's sink or swim, and the kids are her life preserver.

I have to give Jon a lot of credit because, even though Kate has had this "agreement" to hold over his head all these years, when Hannah needed him, he was there for her--lawsuit be damned. Hannah was more important. We can only guess how awful her life was with Kate for her to be so desperate to get out. It's very likely that more of the kids want out, too, but don't have Hannah's strength to fight. Thinking back to when Kate physically injured Hannah trying to drag her out of Jon's car--what mother would do that to her child? Kate wasn't interested in Hannah's well-being, or she wouldn't have hurt her. She was interested in forcing Hannah back under her control so that she could use her for money. Period.

Good luck Jon! Maybe once this "agreement" issue is under control, he can get more time/custody with more of the kids.

Layla said...

Admin--maybe you can shed some light on the state child welfare database. Kate claims Jon owed her $125,000 in back custody when they made the supposed agreement, but the state database only showed an outstanding balance of $3,557.06. If (I said IF!) a judge were to side with Kate, wouldn't (s)he award Kate the balance the state said Jon owed her, if anything?. If CS was being tracked in a state database, how could there be such a huge amount that somehow escaped notice by the state?

Sad but true said...

I wonder if the G twins will get summer jobs. Most kids their age are probably out doing something useful with their break.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Admin--maybe you can shed some light on the state child welfare database. Kate claims Jon owed her $125,000 in back custody when they made the supposed agreement, but the state database only showed an outstanding balance of $3,557.06. If (I said IF!) a judge were to side with Kate, wouldn't (s)he award Kate the balance the state said Jon owed her, if anything?. If CS was being tracked in a state database, how could there be such a huge amount that somehow escaped notice by the state?


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I THINK they might list arrears separately. The current bill is just the current bill, and may not include past due amounts.

NJGal51 said...

AuntieAnn said... 113
OMG. Anthony Bourdain has died by suicide. I am shocked and saddened.
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I had the same reaction. I hope that he's found some peace.

Layla said...

Admin (118)
that makes sense, but...they would have to somehow make that past due amount disappear once they made their agreement. Would either of them have the ability to do that? Wouldn't someone notice if a $125,000 past due amount was suddenly wiped out, and start asking questions? This was supposed to be in the interests of the kids, so you'd think someone would be watching closely.

Formerly Duped said...

And journalist/ Fox News personality Charles Krauthammer has sent out a message stating he has only a few weeks to live due to cancer returning. Very classy letter .

capecodmama said...

Formerly Duped...I just saw that. It's so sad. I loved listening to and reading what he had to say. Very smart man. He'll be missed.

capecodmama said...

Forgot to say....TFW is still a revengeful bitch and always will be.

AuntieAnn said...

NJGal51 said... 119

AuntieAnn said... 113
OMG. Anthony Bourdain has died by suicide. I am shocked and saddened. 
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I had the same reaction. I hope that he's found some peace.

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It's such a tragic end of a life. AB was someone I'd never expect to do that. I hope he is at peace too, but so sorry he could not have found a way to channel whatever brought him to this into a positive outcome instead. He really was admired and loved by so many.

Gigi Be said...

“ And it’s back to the dogs”.

Even the fans must be secretly thinking the same thing lately!

Sarahirsua @Can you post about something other your dog? Most boring Instagram page ever!

Anonymous said...

Kate Spade and Anthony Bourdain both had young daughters. Every suicide has many victims.

bm

jolie Jacquelyn said...

I'm in shock that Anthony Bourdain took his own life. He's overcome so many demons in the past & seemed to be happy with his young daughter & his girlfriend Asia.

Just shows that the face you see a person present to the public doesn't tell the whole story.

It's so sad for his good friend Eric Ripert, having been the one to find him in his hotel room.

RIP Tony.

AuntieAnn said...

Gigi Be said....

 "And it’s back to the dogs”.

Even the fans must be secretly thinking the same thing lately!

Sarahirsua @Can you post about something other your dog? Most boring Instagram page ever!

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Looks like the dogs are probably on the same tranquilizer she's taking.

CC said...

FlimsyFlamsy

AGREED!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


I'm in shock that Anthony Bourdain took his own life. He's overcome so many demons in the past & seemed to be happy with his young daughter & his girlfriend Asia.

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I knew nothing about him so I read his bio and it looks like he had a very long and tortured history of getting himself sober and actually being successful. He was living hand to mouth until his 40s.

I think based on the few episodes I've seen of his show (I never really got into it) he seems incredibly intelligent, talented, creative, passionate. It seems to me there is often a thin line between these types of talents and depression. It's almost like it's on the same spectrum or something. Like if you are able to tap into that level of incredible creativity you are also able to tap into some real demons too. It is another sad, sad story of suicide.

My understanding of what I've read about suicide is the feelings can come on real suddenly, and if there's no one stop you before you know it you've done it. But those who say someone stopped them, it often brings them right back down to the point where they deeply regret feeling that way and are so glad they were stopped. It's such a tragedy.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Eric Ripert. Oh, I've always had such a crush. Ever since he gave the Top Chef contestants that chocolate chicken challenge!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

And not to get conspiratorial but are they sure they've uncovered all possibilities here? Was there any, any chance at all this isn't what it looks like?

He was in the MIDDLE of working, literally in the middle of the episode, and he had a whole bunch of crew with him counting on him plus a co-star. Also apparently one friend was just stunned, saying wait a second he was doing great, last year he was at his happiest. No one seems to be giving any indication he was struggling. Why would he do this there in France, instead of at home where he can say goodbye to his family and leave a note? He may very well have had a sudden psychotic break if there truly was no foul play, but geez I don't know.

Gosh I hope to God they investigate this thoroughly.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Reddit to the rescue. Reddit is claiming Anthony has said he would never kill himself because he has a daughter now and he's made statements his life has never been better.

Reddit also says that Anthony was pretty vocal about his hate of Weinstein. Apparently his longtime girlfriend was a victim of Weinstein, further infuriating Anthony. (He also had some pretty nasty public feuds with a few other people, notably Rachel Ray and Guy Fieri)

Again, depression is a chemical attack that can come on suddenly and remove rationality, so I have to factor that in. But this one smells funny. It really does.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Admin (118)
that makes sense, but...they would have to somehow make that past due amount disappear once they made their agreement. Would either of them have the ability to do that? Wouldn't someone notice if a $125,000 past due amount was suddenly wiped out, and start asking questions? This was supposed to be in the interests of the kids, so you'd think someone would be watching closely.

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It's weird. Without seeing it or asking them to explain it who knows. Obviously Kate and Jon were under the impression the bill was 100k.

Layla said...

"Most boring Instagram ever", indeed! She can't post anything fun because she never does anything fun or interesting unless it's filmed. She won't post pictures of the kids because the twins don't want to take part and Hannah and Collin aren't there, and people are onto the fact that H is with Jon and Jon and H see Collin. She doesn't want to answer questions about whether Jon has custody or whether she seen C, or why Jon is able to post pictures of C. So it's all dogs, all the time. Get used to it, Kate-fans!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


"Most boring Instagram ever", indeed! She can't post anything fun because she never does anything fun or interesting unless it's filmed

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Here's a snapshot of the past few posts from Kate's counterpart, Amy Roloff:

1. an adorable photo of her grandson with a splinted arm. Too cute for words
2. a selfie with a long and interesting explanation of the status of her baking company
3. Her brother and kids who came for a visit
4. a beaver she saw on the farm (she's allowed a few animal posts!)
5. another brother/kids photo at the beach
6. memorial day selfie
7. dinner with boyfriend and friends, couples night

A wide variety of photos, interesting commentary normal behavior like out with friends, family, kids.

This is a NORMAL public high volume instagram account.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Admin (#133), I think any parent in his/her right mind would say they'd never kill themselves, and wouldn't dream of burdening a child with that loss. But if there is a chemical imbalance, or a dark period suddenly comes on, or a combination of both,
it seems like this person will do anything to escape the pain. It's tragic for everyone involved.

And these 2 celebrity deaths significantly show that a "golden platter" life doesn't exempt anyone from pain and suffering.

I am one of eight said...

Have you seen Jon is on Mycameo.com?For $35, you can order a shout out for someone. There's lot of reality stars on there. I might have paused a little there typing the word stars!

I am one of eight said...

Sorry, it's bookcameo.com

Blowing In The Wind said...

Why would he do this there in France, instead of at home where he can say goodbye to his family and leave a note?

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I see the other side of the coin. Why do it at home where he might change his mind, given the fact that friends and family, and especially his daughter, is around? It's too familiar a location, too easy to change your mind about the whole thing. In a foreign country, with only crew and a hotel staff there and strangers, it might be easier to go through with it. He might not have wanted to say goodbye to his family and friends at home because it just would have been to emotionally difficult for him to do so.

Wowser said...

I love people who recap her accurately lol

http://tamaratattles.com/2014/06/20/kate-plus-8-worse-than-you-could-even-imagine/

Formerly Duped said...

Many of celebrity suicide take place in hotel rooms.AB mentioned feeling alone a lot and battled drugs and alcohol. I believe he was depressed beneath his shiny exterior of a charmed life.There was apparently no sign of violence of an intruder. Talented, hardworking, compassionate man.Very sad.

jolie Jacquelyn said...

There are recent street photos taken of AB's girlfriend in Italy with another man. Maybe that had something to do with his decision.

AuntieAnn said...

Formerly Duped said... 142

Many of celebrity suicide take place in hotel rooms.

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David Carradine comes to mind. His death was thought to be from some strange sexual practice gone wrong. It sort of makes me wonder if AB's death was accidental too. I'm not saying that's what happened but it's a possibility.

Formerly Duped said...

I think they already ruled accidental death out- usually they wait to pronounce a death a suicide.
Maybe we will never know.

Northern Lights said...

EXCLUSIVE OWNERSHIP RIGHTS TO SAID CHILDREN - had to post that little gem. I can't believe that any lawyer would put that in an agreement. Is it for real?

No one can sign away the financial rights of the children. No child support enforcement agency will enforce based on a statement of arrears signed by one party. There must be an order of the court or an agreement filed with the court.

The proof will be in seeing the "agreement", if it exists and is not just a verbal agreement, and whether it was properly signed by both parties.

Pig.

Permanent Name in Blue said...

144 auntie ann, its called autoerotic asphyxiation where man masturbates while hanging- pressure around neck causes heightened orgasm....... dangerous game because the rope around neck can tighten too much, they can lose capacity to stop in time, etc. Many deaths occur this way among general population that never make the news.

Permanent Name in Blue said...

143 jolie, there was also report of a taunting Instagram from her that said something like "f*ck you, you know who you are"..... reports they were fighting a lot recently. Could be that tipped him over the edge. He fought depression for years. I will miss him terribly.

capecodmama said...

With regard to Anthony Bourdain, I read online that he hanged himself with the belt from his bathrobe.

jolie Jacquelyn said...

AB was like a God to those of us on egullet several years ago. He sometimes used to answer posts & send the poster into a swoon.

Layla said...

Admin (136),
Amy Roloff has an interesting IG because she has an interesting life to document. Family, friends, her business, outings. Kate goes nowhere unless she's being filmed, she has cut off her family and banished the friends she once had (except Jamie), she's too lazy to take up hobbies or start a business or do anything interesting. Her life is sitting around the house waiting for TLC to come film her. The dogs are the only interesting things she has going on, and they're actually pretty boring. Some of the kids are gone and some don't want to be photographed. I think I'd go crazy with such a dull life, but she seems to be used to it.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


EXCLUSIVE OWNERSHIP RIGHTS TO SAID CHILDREN - had to post that little gem. I can't believe that any lawyer would put that in an agreement. Is it for real?

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They are chattel to her. Possessions. Rights. You would think this was a contract about rights to songs or books they had written and not the people themselves.

Sad but true said...

Northern Lights said... 146

I thought (I hope!) I made it clear in that post that I was filling in (in CAPS) what was obviously a "blank" on the part of K8/her lawyer. My point was that K8 would NEVER have made just a blanket and "voluntary" forgiveness of ANYTHING she thought was owed to her without extracting something from the other side. My apologies if the comment was confusing.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Layla (#151), I actually do think TFW goes out, but not to do anything that fits that poor struggling single mom narrative she's still trying to peddle. Like that monthly spa visit she admitted she indulges in. And I bet she treats herself to weekends away from the compound, sans her 7 little meal tickets. Without the kids, I don't think many people would notice her, or bother to take her picture.

All I know is, one of the biggest whoppers she ever told was when she said you'd only bump into her at the grocery store or in her kitchen.

AuntieAnn said...

Permanent Name in Blue said... 147

144 auntie ann, its called autoerotic asphyxiation where man masturbates while hanging- pressure around neck causes heightened orgasm....... dangerous game because the rope around neck can tighten too much, they can lose capacity to stop in time, et

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I knew there was a name for it but I felt a little too qualmish to do a Google search for it. Very dangerous indeed.

Northern Lights said...

I thought (I hope!) I made it clear in that post that I was filling in (in CAPS) what was obviously a "blank" on the part of K8/her lawyer.

Sad But True I was wondering! Clearly I had not had enough coffee when I read your post!

LOL

AuntieAnn said...

All I know is, one of the biggest whoppers she ever told was when she said you'd only bump into her at the grocery store or in her kitchen.

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Flimsy, she just neglected to add 'with a filming crew'. I'm sure she didn't mean to.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


I think they already ruled accidental death out- usually they wait to pronounce a death a suicide.
Maybe we will never know.

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We may never know. When I look at what Anthony was posting on social media about Weinstein, it was NASTY. Really, really nasty. Enough to illicit revenge from the target. Anthony's GF had to flee Italy because she was being harassed there over Weinstein, further infuriating Anthony.

I can't believe the French have declared what happened within like 8 hours. Gimme a break. They haven't even done an autopsy. It's so easy to fake a suicide as long as no one starts digging deeper, doing autopsies and things and discover other causes of death.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Also, maybe its not Weinstein directly but those who support her. Asia had to flee Italy because she was being blamed so badly there. I can foresee it being possible that some supporters from there would get wind her boyfriend is just next door in France and go take care of things.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


143 jolie, there was also report of a taunting Instagram from her that said something like "f*ck you, you know who you are"..... reports they were fighting a lot recently.

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She posted that, then deleted it. It's a weird comment. She was upset at someone. Assuming it had ANYTHING to do with Anthony, and who knows if it does, do I really believe one instagram "f you" to a guy like Anthony suddenly pushes him over the edge? Hard to.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


144 auntie ann, its called autoerotic asphyxiation where man masturbates while hanging- pressure around neck causes heightened orgasm....... dangerous game because the rope around neck can tighten too much, they can lose capacity to stop in time, etc. Many deaths occur this way among general population that never make the news.

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Yes the first time I heard of it was that bizarre death of one of the Caridean brothers. Yowser. Some of the family does believe someone else was there at the time like a prostitute, it would be unlike him to do sex acts by himself, he liked participation. That family also said that like Anthony, things were going well for him and he was very happy.

AuntieAnn said...

I'm watching PartsUnknownn on CNN right now. It's surreal and painful. I really admired him .

Formerly Duped said...

I read AB suffered from depression and addiction and felt he was often in a dark place. Many contradictory stories. We always want to know why this happens- sometimes we will never know or depression creeps out and overwhelms the person, famous or rich or not. There is not always an accident or sinister reason it happens.Suicide does seem more prevalent these days both in the celebrity and non-famous sectors.I agree the suicide conclusion was fast- will it be better if a reason is found and it was an accident or violence or sex game?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

We always want to know why this happens- sometimes we will never know or depression creeps out and overwhelms the person, famous or rich or not. There is not always an accident or sinister reason it happens

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Of course most deaths that look like suicides are suicides. Some are not, and there were enough very *serious* enemies in this brilliant man’s life that I would not close out this file anytime soon until they’ve truly ruled out any foul play. Foul play is not ruled out in 8 hours let alone days. A full investigation can take months or more.

AuntieAnn said...

Foul play is not ruled out in 8 hours let alone days. A full investigation can take months or more.

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Yeah they did jump to that conclusion awfully fast. Anthony's own mother said her son was the last person she would expect to do this.

Apparently he was keeping to a gruelling schedule and was going through a rather 'dark' period, but it just seems odd that he didn't let his people know he needed a little down time.

I agree, there really needs to be much more investigating before foul play is completely ruled out.

Bluebird said...

Capecodmama thanks so much for mentioning the Cape Cod Railway. I love trains and told my hubby about this tourist attraction. We added an extra day to our time in the Cape and now have prepaid tickets to go on the diamond tour with prepaid parking and boxed lunch included. This blog is a great way to be able to get locals views on things to do. I can't wait for my vacation, thanks again.

Unknown said...

Wowser said... 141
I love people who recap her accurately lol

"Kate says Collin wants to manipulate and control situations and it’s challenging for her."

This is a very interesting comment made in the above article. It appears to me that Kate may have found Collin to be so much like herself that her relationship with him was doomed. I am no psychologist, but it has been said that opposites attract, and likes repel. Argument over. The defining moment for me when I knew Kate treated him differently and not in a good way was when she rejected the toy he bought for her. To me, that moment defined their relationship.

Paper Plate Forever

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I think it’s entirely possible Collin may have inherited some mental health issues from Kate. Dealing with him may hit too close to home for her.

Gigi Be said...

Bluebird-
“thanks so much for mentioning the Cape Cod Railway. I love trains and told my hubby about this tourist attraction. We added an extra day to our time in the Cape and now have prepaid tickets to go on the diamond tour with prepaid parking and boxed lunch included. This blog is a great way to be able to get locals views on things to do. I can't wait for my vacation, thanks again.”

What a coincidence! My hubby is a HUGE fan of stream trains. We make it a point to visit a new train museum every year. It makes for a great road trip. We just returned over a week ago .We took a nice long ride on a steam train through the Smokies in NC. The views were breathtaking! I’ll mention Cape Cod Railway to my hubby

capecodmama said...

Bluebird...You are quite welcome. Enjoy your visit. Hopefully the weather will warm up before your trip. It's been unseasonably cool here.

Bluebird said...

Gigi Be another great steam train ride is from Branson, Missouri. It goes through the mountains and the narrator is great, a lot of history. I took ths 4 years ago and thoroughly enjoyed it.

Capecodmama I'm hoping it will warm up in July.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

I chuckle at the thought of Gladys popping in here at the "cesspool of hate" and finding a congenial discussion about steam trains. Yep, we ladies are pure evil!

Blowing In The Wind said...

Pete Charles Sesko

@RemoteControlPr

I've had my eye on kateplusmy8's cookbook for a…

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Someone should tell this guy that it's available for pre-order!

Blowing In The Wind said...

I chuckle at the thought of Gladys popping in here at the "cesspool of hate" and finding a congenial discussion about steam trains. Yep, we ladies are pure evil!

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Actually, we are bitter black-hearted busybodies!

Former Lurker said...

Blowing In The Wind said... 173

Pete Charles Sesko

@RemoteControlPr

I've had my eye on kateplusmy8's cookbook for a…

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Someone should tell this guy that it's available for pre-order!

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Lol. Someone recently left this comment on TFW's Instagram pic of Shrek and BFF on a plane:

courtney_eb Hi @kateplusmy8 ! Sorry this is unrelated to your pic... Any chance you’re going to release another cookbook? I use love is in the mix all the time!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

There is a wonderfully historic though challenging 3 or so mile hike up Echo Mountain in Los Angeles that takes you to the top of an old burned out resort, old trolley tracks and rusted out machinery. I did the hike for the first time this winter and can't believe I didn't do it before! They have very detailed explanations of the resort that stood there at the turn of the century. It's like a little outdoor history museum. A must for anyone fit enough to give it a go.

ncgirl said...

"We took a nice long ride on a steam train through the Smokies in NC."

We've been on that. The NC mountains are always beautiful. My father loves to go on trains. There's an old-fashioned one at Dollywood. Years ago, we went on a train in the Amish country in Pennsylvania. I just looked it up. Strasburg Railroad. I'm sure the Pa locals know it. They turned the train around at the end and we went off in the other direction. This was over 20 years ago.

ncgirl said...

"It appears to me that Kate may have found Collin to be so much like herself that her relationship with him was doomed."

I always joke that the reason parents and children can clash is because they are so much alike. But Kate and Colin are no joking matter. I'm sure there were other issues involved, but Kate, the master manipulator, couldn't let Colin manipulate her. Everything is a competition to her, and she has to win. Colin suffered the consequences.

Bluebird said...

Golly, Admin, wish I would have known about Echo Mountain when I was in LA in February. We got off our cruise in LA and spent a week there. I'm the kind of traveller who says been there, done that, so I doubt if I'll ever go back to LA.

On another subject, imagine how surprised I was to see the volcano eruption in Guatemala last weekend. My hubby and I climbed up that very same volcano (not to the top but 3 quarters of the way) when we were on our Panama Canal cruise. It was quite a hike, a first time doing that and last.

I live in Quebec, Canada and enjoy travelling.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Golly, Admin, wish I would have known about Echo Mountain when I was in LA in February. We got off our cruise in LA and spent a week there. I'm the kind of traveller who says been there, done that, so I doubt if I'll ever go back to LA.


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Oh darn! That was a perfect time of year to do it too. Do not attempt in summer. LA does not get nearly enough attention for the wonderful outdoors here. Beautiful long wooded hikes, ridge line hikes, ocean view hikes, mountain view and valley view hies, and historic hikes. It's worth coming back just for that! I'm a big hiker so I've really been raking up the hikes I've tackled, so if you want any suggestions let me know.

Bluebird said...

Maybe one day I'll be back to LA, never say never. At least I did get to see the Walk of Fame, Sunset Strip, Rodeo Drive, Venice Beach, Santa Monica, Dolby Theater and also went for a taping of the Price is Right (although I was not chosen to Come on Down). I did not go to Disneyland because I've been to Walt Disney World 3 times.

NJGal51 said...

https://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/roloff-guiness-world-record-161611
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I’m sure that this article didn’t make TFW too happy. She’s probably bemoaning the fact that if not for Jon that could have been them. And to add insult to injury, TFW wasn’t even mentioned.

Bluebird said...

I love the Roloffs and have been following them since the beginning. Unlike the POS Kate they have family, friends and other little people in their shows. They also show their family day to day lives. They show their connections with their children and obstacles they encounter daily. Also although divorced, they work as a team regarding their children.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


I love the Roloffs and have been following them since the beginning. Unlike the POS Kate they have family, friends and other little people in their shows. They also show their family day to day lives. They show their connections with their children and obstacles they encounter daily. Also although divorced, they work as a team regarding their children.


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I hope this makes Kate mad! Haha

They are an interesting family who when the cameras turn off by all accounts are the same people and do the same things. Back in the day they were getting sucked into the "trips" theme of TLC, but they petered out some time ago and for the most part the rare out of town excursions they take are clearly entirely organic and would have happened even without the show (for instance, boyfriend Chris's annual motorcycle trip). And to add to all this, the people are basically all good people who are more or less likable. I find the show much more compelling than Kate Plus a fraction of the 8 for all of those reasons.

Jacob has brought us a lot of thoughtful insight into what it's like to truly grow up on reality tv, for that I am grateful. But he's a prudent young man who sees that not everything is black and white and there are positives and negatives to the experience. Indeed, he shows up smiling in the picture of their world record.

Former Lurker said...

Jon and Colleen are at a concert at Wells Fargo Center tonight, and he posted three pics a few hours ago. The first two pics are of Jon and Colleen, and the third pic is of the stage:

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bj5u_g9gGNr/
jongosselin1 Def Leopard and Journey!!! πŸ€™πŸΌ Let’s go!!!

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bj5vH5qgrrG/
jongosselin1 Tailgating at the Def Leopard and Journey concert in Philly!!!!

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bj53efJgVQS/
jongosselin1 Journey!!!! #journey

Gigi Be said...

Jon and Colleen look like they are having lots of fun. I’m happy for them. See that’s the difference between Jon and TFW. Jon seems to have a zeal for life and enjoying it as much as possible. When the kids were little, he wasn’t bothered when they got dirty. He wanted them to enjoy the moment. Kate’s lack of hobbies and same mundane posts, showing her sitting in her room with her dogs is extremely boring. She lacks a spark for everyday life because she probably thinks it’s too mediocre. Her only happiness in life is the spotlight. And when she’s not filming, she’s hiding out at home. When’s the last time, Kate’s gone out with a bunch of friends, just to enjoy herself without cameras?

Also, Jon loves talking to people. Famous or not famous, it doesn’t seem to matter to him. Everyone always says what a great guy he is. This is a sharp contrast to Kate. She didn’t even want to pose with fans because it wasn’t “ part of the plan’. Kate wouldn’t rather sit in her castle ( McMansion) like the snobby queen she thinks she is. SHE is the one living a mediocre and sad life. Her ideals are very messed up. I almost feel sorry for her.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Gigi Be (#186), amen to every word of your post. Brava!

Formerly Duped said...

I guess Hannah was not with Jon during this time. They do look happy !

Bluebird said...

I don't think Def Leopard and Journey would be bands that Hannah would enjoy, way before her time. They sure do look happy, I'm glad Jon has Colleen.

Formerly Duped said...

OT: well, has anyone had this problem? an animal(s), likely a chipmunk family, has chewed under the hood of my car, damaging the fluid/oil containers, wires, parts unknown. I had to have it towed to the dealer, since the car reeked of oil and would not accelerate when I was driving my dog to the vet! It made a horrible noise, there was a burning smell and the warning lights one by one appeared.The washer fluid compartment was empty and I just refilled it 2 days ago . I hear mothballs can prevent this. So beware! I have a big bill and parts to be ordered plus will have to rent a car.Ugh.Too bad I don't have 3 cars like TFW for just such an occasion.

Former Lurker said...

After my post last night, Jon did one more IG post, a video of Journey playing at the concert (the new singer sounds way different, by the way):

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bj52v2hAFUa/
jongosselin1 Wow JOURNEY!!!

Then, this morning, Jon posted one more pic of the concert:

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bj7OHmfgi1Q/
jongosselin1 Def Leppard!!! Great concert last night!!!

Former Lurker said...

Formerly Duped (#190), Ugh, so sorry about the car troubles! What a pain, and expense! All I can say is thank goodness it didn't cause an accident.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Formerly Duped (#190), so sorry for that unexpected expense and stress. The same thing happened to a friend, and it was RATS who had taken up residence under her hood and caused several thousand dollars worth of damage. Blech!

Silimom said...

Just heard the news that a judge has ordered Angelina Jolie to give more physical custody time to Brad Pitt. He ruled that it is detrimental to the kids not to see their father, that children need a close relationship with BOTH parents, that Brad will be given their cell numbers and may call them at any time and that she may not monitor or restrict their calls. Brad will visitation with the kids starting at 4 hours/day then 11/hours then he’ll take them back to LA for 4 days of unsupervised visitation. A child therapist will be present at the initial visitations to help facilitate the transition for the kids.

Apparently if she fails to comply, the judge may award primary physical custody to Brad.

Maddox at 16 is deemed old enough to determine how much time he wants to spend with his Dad, so I’m not sure if he has to go to LA or not.

Kudos to the judge for ruling in the children’s best interests.

Ingrid said...

Formerly Duped That's sad. Sorry you have to go through it. A friend of mine had a 71 Mach 1 mustang and rebuilt the whole engine from scratch. They parked it for the winter in an open storage area at their trailer court. Next spring it wouldn't start. All that new wiring-- chewed.
Dang rodents.

PA Dutch Mom said...

Years ago, we went on a train in the Amish country in Pennsylvania. I just looked it up. Strasburg Railroad. I'm sure the Pa locals know it. They turned the train around at the end and we went off in the other direction. This was over 20 years ago.

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It's still steaming along!They have special events going on, like wine and cheese parties and painting (my favorite!), holiday happenings, Christmas, Easter Bunny Train, and Halloween, Days Out with Thomas Tank Engine (just got tickets!), Great Train Robbery mystery, theme dinners...there's always something going on.

Formerly Duped said...

Thanks ladies..I hope I wasn't driving around with a bunch of rats! It was gross to see the fur mixed in with the lining and wires and plastic. I may just have to scrap the car if it's too expensive and hopefully buy something new. Good to know I'm not alone although don't wish this on anyone.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

PA Dutch Mom (#196), you just reminded me of the time TFW took the kids on the train and hee-hawed behind the enthusiastic conductor's back. He was so cute doing his spiel and she was bored silly. What a cow.

Dmasy said...

OT for the true crime fans.

Netflix has a 13 part series titled "The Staircase". A documentary 15 years in the making. It is the story of of Michael Peterson. (Oh, those Peterson men...)

Did he bludgeon his wife, Kathleen, or did she simply fall down the stairs?

Look closely at wife number 1, the beloved deceased neighbor and Kathleen. The three women could not resemble each other more if they were triplets.

I have watched through the 4th episode. It is intimate and detailed.



Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


OT for the true crime fans.

Netflix has a 13 part series titled "The Staircase". A documentary 15 years in the making. It is the story of of Michael Peterson. (Oh, those Peterson men...)

Did he bludgeon his wife, Kathleen, or did she simply fall down the stairs?

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I finished it, I loved the original. It's becoming clear now though a lot of things were left out of first segment that is important to forming my opinion. I am even left confused about the cause of death. Did she bleed out, or was she strangled? If she were strangled, he did it. If she bled out, there is room for other scenarios. I'm leaning toward he did it, but a lot of things don't seem to add up.

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