Friday, September 1, 2017

Recap: Kate Plus 8 "8 Movie Makers": Onlooker #2 films some orphanage kids

Still catching up on a few outstanding recaps, enjoy! 

8 Movie Makers is another cop-out bottle episode, where it all takes place at the house, which is dirt cheap to film, and it's mostly filler. Thankfully it's only 21 minutes, so this recap should be much more brief and a relief for me!

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TLCgo has their own app for Amazon fire, and for once, TLC has an app that is smooth, organized and easy to use. You just browse or search for your series, and when it pops up it shows you all the seasons they have and all the episodes. Scroll on over to what you want and hit play and you're off and running. For the longest time I wasn't able to catch up on old recaps because I simply couldn't find the episodes anywhere, not for free anyway. I like that TLC has now put up all the episodes of all their series on TLCgo now. TLCgo is free, by the way, as long as it's part of your regular cable subscription (it should work just fine if you have Vue or DirectTV streaming, too).

This first aired in August 2011, a whopping six years ago. It's always interesting to look back and see what's different and what's the same. Things are frankly, mostly the same. As per the usual, Kate is taking credit for an episode idea in that she thought of it to have the kids make their own movie. The movie they are forced to live all the time for the cameras isn't enough? Geez.

A company called "Movie Makers" comes to the house, headed by Melissa and Sam. I googled the company to see if they're still around and yes, here they are, still running their camps and private lessons. Their 10 week classes are only $375, which frankly is very reasonable.  They're also still bragging that they are "as seen on Kate Plus 8". Seven years later maybe it's time to drop that association. What's also funny is I found an interview with a very polite Melissa about her experience on Kate Plus 8, where she explains that the idea to hire her was dreamed up by one of the producers brainstorming episode ideas, whose daughter had participated in Movie Makers and enjoyed it. Baw! Busted, Kate. Wait a second, why would you need to sit around a table brainstorming episode ideas for a reality show? I love when people inadvertently out this charade for exactly what it is.

Melissa is an "actor," by the way, and has a decent-sized IMDB page of mostly bit parts in mostly D-list shows and movies. But she did make an appearance or two on reputable shows like Army Wives and as "Onlooker #2" on One Tree Hill. Follow your dreams and all that. Onlooker #2, lol. I prefer ogler myself, and I'd like to be #1 please!


Well this is nice, Kate takes a hike because she wants the movie to be a surprise. More than likely this is not a trip so she's not interested, but it's fine by me. Imagine collecting a huge paycheck, likely in the high five figures, just by saying, "Here kids go make a movie with Melissa" and then going upstairs and cutting yourself up an avocado to put on your salad. Kind of crazy.

The younger kids seem awfully young for the things Melissa is explaining to them: rolling, speed, slate? The kids look like they don't care and more just want to play with the clapboard. I'm going to call this right away that this activity is way too old for them, teens would get way more out of this. With little kids, it just turns more into a chaotic play time. What is with this show and their struggle to find these kids activities that are age appropriate? Usually the activities are way too babyish, but it goes both ways, and this time the activity is way too mature for them to get much out of it.

Collin is yawning away on the couch. The kids pull out a crap ton of costumes from God knows where and start trying them on. What is this movie about? Are they just randomly picking customes? Do the kids understand what they're doing and why? Because I'm confused myself.

Well armchair psychologist this, Mady has decided the movie will be about an orphanage. Melissa instructs one of the sextuplets that she will play an "orphanage girl". Um, does she mean "orphan"? Oh well, actors are not known for being bright.

They cut to a shot of Sam folding up all the mountains of unused costumes and putting them back. Why aren't the kids doing that? They created this cyclone. What tends to happen to celebrity kids, wealthy kids or kids on T.V., I've seen first hand, is that when people come over like this, they don't treat them the same as they would other kids. Happens all the time. They get special treatment, including cleaning up all their crap for them. It's not good, Sam. Not good at all. When I nannied, I used to have to ask the housekeeper to please stop making the children's beds in the morning and cleaning up after them all the time, as I wanted them to make their own beds themselves and clean up after things themselves, and to get in trouble when they didn't. It didn't matter to me things weren't made up as perfect as the way Ophelia would do it, I wanted the children to have to do it. It's important. There is a long line of people in these children's lives who have done them no favors.

Melissa explains that they're going to start filming, but they will film out of order. That's typical of most films. Mady remarks that their reality show is filmed in order, so this is a change. That's not true, we have caught them multiple times filming out of order, and Jon was once ordered to keep his beard for the sake of "continuity." Now why would you need to worry about continuity if you were always filming in order? Heh.

It's fascinating to watch how much time they waste showing us absolutely nothing. There's a whole lot of the younger kids rambling, which is even more meandering because they're so young, and a lot of walking around, and nothing is happening.

Even at this age, it seems to me doing the camp, or having friends over to help make the movie, would be so much more fun than Mady and Cara having to direct all their younger siblings. Kind of a drag.

Collin and Joel are manning the cameras, and they're just way too young for this. They're chopping people's heads off gyrating them up and down so much I'm getting nauseous. Collin is wearing an adorable oversized pirate hat. Hehe.

Great, perfect! Melissa is constantly saying to everything these kids do. I can't stand when all adults do is over-praise kids.

Melissa's introducing herself again. I thought we already did the meet and greet portion earlier. Well, hello, again. Why do I get the feeling Melissa is the type of gal who tends to do stuff like mix up the salt for the sugar?

Melissa says at the moment the movie doesn't make any sense, but she'll figure it out. Um.



The TLC interns are getting cutesy, putting a little of the script up on the screen "Ext. Magical World."

Melissa thinks it's just so wonderful that the kids don't have a problem with looking at the cameras, which is the problem for other kids she teaches. Melissa, that is because since birth they have been filming a virtual Truman Show, you understand that, right? Don't you find their heightened abilities to work so smoothly with a camera crew at such a young age creepy, like, at all? She's getting dumber by the moment. I'm surprised she didn't use the cool industry lingo she's been invoking all along, it's called spiking the camera, and it's such a common mistake even from adult professionals that is should really weird her out these kids never do it.

The kids are starting to lose it with all this filming, and some are hitting each other and getting annoyed. Kate and Melissa are excusing all this atrocious behavior, especially with guests over, as just simply sibling rivalry.

Day three of filming? This doesn't sound fun. It sounds exhausting. That's over half the time it takes to film a real drama episode, like Law and Order, and it's well documented how exhausting those five days usually are. Why does everything have to be a 10 out of 10 here? Why couldn't they just make a short film for half a day or something, maybe a day? Melissa has given up even putting make-up on at this point, heh, and she looks tired.

At this point Melissa says she has no clue how the movie will turn out and it's all over the place. Um, isn't she supposed to be in charge here? How much is she getting paid to be this confused? And in conclusion, may I please remind you that it does not say RSVP on the Statue of Liberty!


So, was Kate really totally MIA all these three days? That's kind of odd, though I really enjoyed the break from recapping her histrionics. But, I have to admit, it makes the episodes even more boring than they usually are when no one is having a mental health episode for me to discuss. Kate said earlier she cleaned her room during all this time. Good, I'm sure it needed it.

Kate looks so tan she looks like she's a totally different race, she looks like people who aren't white but who like to dye their hair blond. She looks ridiculous, and you can really see the difference here in how much less she tans these days. They finished filming and now it's time for the movie premiere. They don't explain how they get from filming to a movie premiere. I'm guessing Melissa goes back to the office and splices it all together in between bit parts as Onlooker #2?

The kids are so young, I'm not sure they really know what a movie premiere looks like to get a kick out of this. But production did a good job nonetheless, making a real mini-red carpet at the house, and Melissa and Sam standing in as reporters asking questions. I like Melissa's movie poster, it looks like a poster from when Lifetime used to make halfway decent Sunday night movies about things like kidnappings. Not bad at all.

Melissa interviews Kate on the red carpet. Shmoopy is in her element. Talk about myself? Yes please!

They all line up on the couches and floor of course with popcorn, and watch the movie, The Orphans' Adventure. Good punctuation, Melissa.




So far this is kind of the plot of Annie, in which the hard knock orphans have to clean all day. Also, it sounds like their real life. Remember Kendra crying because the children had so many chores to do every day? It takes kind of a Stephen King-like twist when some of the orphans get sucked down into a vortex and end up..... in Kate's back yard, far as the eye can see!

I'm losing the plot here, suddenly there are other kids popping up in various costumes, and Mady and Leah find a pirate chest and take something out of it. Oh, Melissa.

For once I think Kate's expression is justified. She's trying to be proud of all this, but can't follow the plot either.

Leah and Mady aren't the worst actors in the world, I'm mildly impressed with their ability to trip and fall realistically, and make scared faces. But the best actor in this whole thing is wearing a unicorn costume so I can't tell who it is.

The hard to follow plot ends with some of the kids in costume inviting the orphans to stay with them. But why? It's extra mouths to feed, and they barely know them. Wouldn't it make more sense to call CPS if children are being worked to death at an orphanage? Or even the cops? Yeah this is me, during every movie. I'm that film-goer.

Melissa is getting quite lovey dovey with these kids after only knowing them three days, affectionately holding Leah's hands and swinging them back and forth and giving her a very warm hug. Does she honestly think that's a good idea for their sake? She's just going to be ripped from their lives at the end of the filming never to be seen again. This is a big reason these kids have the problems that they do now, the revolving door of people doling out love to them, then being taken away, including their own father.

This episode had a huge redeeming factor in that Kate was barely in it. She only swooped in at the end to obnoxiously make this all about Mady and her growth, when all the other kids, especially Leah, were chipping in their fair share and I'm sure grew too! And that's a wrap!

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GollyGee said...

Jon had to repeat what was written by TFW or pay dearly for it.

Stand with me or against me. YOUR CHOICE!

If he didn't, she and TLC would of made his life and the kids even more miserable that is was.

I hope that Jon's attorney asks the judge to order a psych evaluation on TFW. I wonder if the GAL could concerning how she went ape crackers with Hannah.

GollyGee said...

Praying for FL and surrounding states!

Mindboggling to see people who are going to ride it out in their boats, skyscrapers. The higher up you are, the higher the winds.

Irma then Jose. Even Mariel Hemingway told the caretaker of the Hemingway house to get the H OUT!

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Admin (#200), and I don't think this point has been made yet: the Kreiders had other grandchildren! Kevin and Jodi alone had 4 kids. Perhaps the Kreiders were trying to fairly divide their time and attention amongst their children's kids.

And here's a crazy thought: maybe they helped the kids that were APPRECIATIVE more than they helped the others. Jodi seems like the type who'd bend over backwards to show her gratitude, and do what she could to make Kevin's parents feel comfortable and welcome when they babysat for the kids. Getting unpaid help caring for your children is a privilege, not a right. So you can see where TFW's sense of entitlement could wear out even the most loving grandparents.

Layla said...

Another Duggar wedding--after only 3 months of courtship. The kids are all in a hurry to marry and start cashing in for themselves, aren't they? Are they marrying for love? Is there any real compatibility? It's hard to say when money is involved. Joseph and his wife can now become regular characters in the show. Did that have anything to do with the rush to marry?

Sad but true (198)
Yes, Kate sure did go Hollywood. Problem with that is, she didn't have anything to offer Hollywood. She was just a mom who had a lot of kids at once. She didn't realize that, to her detriment. She thought she could make it in the movies (remember how she wanted to try acting to "step outside herself"?), she wanted to do voiceovers, she wanted a talk show, a cooking show, etc, etc. She never realized that she had no talent or likeability to bring to the table. She thought a fake tan and bleached hair would make her one if the "it" girls. She thought the ladies on The View really were her friends (sorry Milo, but there are no "close friends" on the West Coast. Kate means nothing to them). Little did she realize that she would have lasted longer if she had stayed the relatable, involved mother she appeared to be. Now she's paying for it.

Layla said...

Remember the email Kate sent to Jon (reprinted in Robert's book): "I'm not going anywhere, so do as I say or live miserably! Your choice!". That's what Jon, the Kreiders, and everyone else in Kate's sphere of influence was dealing with.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

People printing that Duggar wedding picture in record time reminded me of Jessa's laughably disingenuous comment that they're not a "TV family" -- they're just a family that happens to be on TV. I'd rather these people just be honest and say, gosh, we are so blessed that TLC has given us this opportunity. Neither Jessa nor Jill have jobs, nor do their husbands have steady work, yet each household is supporting a family of 4. That is in no way possible without their show income.

foxy said...

OT...Six down, 13 to go...Joseph Duggar married yesterday. They sure do that fast. The bride is 19 and he is 23. They had a wedding party of 22 bridesmaids and groomsmen.

Another opinion said...

New parents don't need 'drop-in' visitors...
New parents are tired and overwhelmed.
It's common courtesy to CALL first and see if it's a good time to come over.
Perhaps Kate and her parents had words over it and feelings were hurt. Who knows what happened.
Maybe her parents were asked to call first and they continued the unannounced visits and they argued?

I can't believe I'm defending Jon and Kate, but drop-in visitors are rude, relatives or not.

Anonymous said...

Prayers and best wishes to all in harm's way in Florida, Georgia and beyond. That includes you too Milo; I know you read here.

bm

Tucker's Mom said...

And think about this, it seems to me he is implying the contact was both not enough and that the content of the contact wasn't good enough. So, he and Kate punish this by not allowing any contact at all? That doesn't make sense. You're not seeing the kids enough so now you're not going to see them at all. That is really, really petty.
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I don't think cutting Kate's parents off had anything to do "dropping in", rather, it had everything to do with expediency.

The story Jon told was a bunch of word salad that seemed like a lame, ad hoc explanation when he was put on the spot during an interview.
Plus, I'd bet money he was doing the interview fully baked.

Blowing In The Wind said...

So it's been a week since the go-fund-me was set up for Jon and I haven't seen any mention of Khate's 'side' of the story anywhere, not even in People. Just the 2 IG posts with kids and the one dog. Is she finally scared enough to shut up, actually following a gag order (if there is one) or isn't any publication asking for her comments? So strange.

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Maybe this time, just this one time, she's smart enough not to comments because she's been advised that anything she could say would open her up to a slew of criticism, negative comments, and questions that she would refuse to answer, and if she did, she would shoot herself in the foot.

Nicky said...

I think it's a grandparent's choice what relationship they want to have. My parents go watch soccer & hockey games, ho to dance competitions, etc., when they have the time. They occasionally babysit, but the all the grandkids are older now, so it's much easier on them.
My in laws live in the next province, haven't been to our province in 3 years, because they have "no reason" to now, now that their elderly parents have passed. It's their choice to not be involved in the grandkids (and their kids) lives, and they get back what they put into the relationship. Their grandkids don't really ask about them, and are focused on who is in their lives. It used to bother me, but I realized you can't change people. They are welcome to come visit their grandkids, but haven't taken us up on the offer (and haven't invited us there either). I can't force them to be involved, but I didn't block them either.
Just another perspective.

Formerly Duped said...

I hate when some of my neighbours complain about their parents doing things wrong, like doing the laundry and putting their children's clean clothes in the wrong drawer or buying the wrong brand of this or that at the grocery store. I just wish my own parents had lived long enough for my children to remember them. They would not have been spending visiting time doing anything but maybe reading stories, playing games, celebrating special days or telling them about when we were young. Making memories, right Kate?

Susan1956 said...

Blowing In The Wind said... 13

Maybe this time, just this one time, she's smart enough not to comments because she's been advised that anything she could say would open her up to a slew of criticism, negative comments, and questions that she would refuse to answer, and if she did, she would shoot herself in the foot.
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Good point. I hope that advice or realization carries over if Jon wins the court hearing. Otherwise, I fear she will just keep appealing and appealing any decision that is not in her favor.

Tucker's Mom said...

. I can't force them to be involved, but I didn't block them either.
Just another perspective.
^^^^^^
Makes sense!
Kate cut her family off when they were too busy filming and didn't them any longer, and needed an excuse to pedal to the public about why.

Tucker's Mom said...

So, when will Kate post about #SuperfunIrma?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


New parents don't need 'drop-in' visitors...
New parents are tired and overwhelmed.
It's common courtesy to CALL first and see if it's a good time to come over.

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I think you're taking his comment awfully literal. He didn't say they didn't call. He didn't say the drop-in times were inconvenient for Jon and Kate. I took it more to mean they weren't at Kate's beck and call or willing to abide by Kate's terms. I imagine she tried to regulate the grandparents, their contact and the content of their contact like she did everyone else. I wouldn't be at all surprised if her parents, who know how she is, decided they were going to set some boundaries here, knowing that Kate could punish them for it. She called their bluff and did punish them, and now they don't see their own grandkids.

As for new parents, I think new parents should be grateful their kids have grandparents in the first place. I think we should generally avoid telling senior citizens how to be and just be glad they're still here. If calling is a necessity, just ask them to call then. But so many people have lost their mom or dad early in their children's lives or before, and it's good to keep that in mind when frustrations over grandparents creep up.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Admin (#200), and I don't think this point has been made yet: the Kreiders had other grandchildren! Kevin and Jodi alone had 4 kids. Perhaps the Kreiders were trying to fairly divide their time and attention amongst their children's kids.

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Exactly. They may very well have realized for the amount of help Kate wants they'll be exhausted and never see their other grandkids and do other retirement things they would like to do. Again, they're the grandparents, not the parents. They're not obligated to provide ANY help to her at all. With Kate, she's a bottomless pit. The more you help the more she wants. The more you do the more it's not good enough. I really think they know their own daughter and saw the trap they were in with it.

Layla said...

Blowing (13),
For the first time the court isn't walking all over Jon. He's gotten more time with Hannah and Hannah has a GAL. None of that was what Kate wanted. Maybe there's a different judge, or maybe H is old enough that the court is listening to her more. But this time seems to be different. She said last time that she doesn't pay any attention to Jon when it comes to court stuff, but that has changed. She's not winning and it's not all going her way. She has to be terrified. If she loses complete control over Hannah/the other tups, she loses her livelihood. She's never been able to provide for herself (or them) without using them. She won't know what to do.

Over In TFW's County said...

Admin (#200), and I don't think this point has been made yet: the Kreiders had other grandchildren! Kevin and Jodi alone had 4 kids. Perhaps the Kreiders were trying to fairly divide their time and attention amongst their children's kids.

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Moreover, the grandparents are near Hershey and at that time the Gosselins lived in Wyomissing. It's not like they could just take a leisurely ten minute drive to Kate's house at her beck and call.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Admin (#19), I wonder if the Kreiders walked in after the tups were born, saw the effity-billion Post-it instructions papering every surface of the house, and ran in terror.

AuntieAnn said...

Kate spoke so highly of her late grandma. I wonder if she ever thinks about her children's feelings about their grandparents.

Stupid me. She is probably a grandparental alienator too, if there is such a word.

GollyGee said...

Good point. I hope that advice or realization carries over if Jon wins the court hearing. Otherwise, I fear she will just keep appealing and appealing any decision that is not in her favor.

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If the judge rules in favor of Jon that Hannah can live with him, if she wants to and have joint physical custody of all the children, we know she will immediately appeal the decision.

So then what happens? Does the judges order immediately began for them to have shared joint custody? Or does it not even start till after she appeals the decision?

Because she is going to appeal and appeal forever.

Tucker's Mom said...

AuntieAnn said... 24
Kate spoke so highly of her late grandma. I wonder if she ever thinks about her children's feelings about their grandparents.
^^^^^
I've thought of that often. Kate's kids have been robbed of any opportunity to bond with their extended family.
There is hope for those kids who see Jon and his side of the family.

Susan1956 said...

GollyGee said... 25
Good point. I hope that advice or realization carries over if Jon wins the court hearing. Otherwise, I fear she will just keep appealing and appealing any decision that is not in her favor.

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If the judge rules in favor of Jon that Hannah can live with him, if she wants to and have joint physical custody of all the children, we know she will immediately appeal the decision.

So then what happens? Does the judges order immediately began for them to have shared joint custody? Or does it not even start till after she appeals the decision?

Because she is going to appeal and appeal forever.
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I've been thinking since I made my original post about Khate appealing endlessly if Jon wins shared custody of the kids and wanted to ask Admin if there is any built-in safeguard to prevent that. Maybe a review of the kids' progress in a specified amount of time? Or can Khate appeal endlessly and prevent an order from going into effect?

AuntieAnn said...

There is hope for those kids who see Jon and his side of the family.

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I think Jon and his family may be the only hope. They probably have their faults and imperfections too, as all families have, but life with TFW is total insanity. The cracks are showing more and more. That is a fact that can't be disputed.

Former Lurker said...

Blowing In The Wind said... 13

So it's been a week since the go-fund-me was set up for Jon and I haven't seen any mention of Khate's 'side' of the story anywhere, not even in People. Just the 2 IG posts with kids and the one dog. Is she finally scared enough to shut up, actually following a gag order (if there is one) or isn't any publication asking for her comments? So strange.

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Maybe this time, just this one time, she's smart enough not to comments because she's been advised that anything she could say would open her up to a slew of criticism, negative comments, and questions that she would refuse to answer, and if she did, she would shoot herself in the foot.

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I think the main reason that TFW has been silent about the Go Fund Me account is that she doesn't want to give it any publicity. Other than that one Radar article, I don't think anyone has done a story on it. TFW is shrewd enough to know that if she mentions it there will be more articles about it and that might result in some contributions.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

AuntieAnn (#28), I bet some of the kids could actually be unnerved by typical family dynamics. At Ms. Gosselin's Home For Exploited Children -- from what we've seen on the show, as well as TFW's own tweets and posts -- it's all about Mom. Her emotions, her needs, her wants, her moods. A child like A, who is treated poorly by many of her siblings and seems to be no one's favorite, may already be programmed to shut down her own needs and wants. Profound damage has been done to these children's spirits,
and it will manifest in myriad ways their whole lives.

Jamesvader1194 said...

Since some here are talking about Kate's relatives,didn't someone here say Kate at least talks with one sister?I would hope that if Jon still keeps in touch with people like jodi and kevin or any of Kate's family,that they are supporting Jon.

Layla said...

I would think that if a judge grants Jon shared custody, he would be able to have his time with the kids while an appeal is pending. It's not like she'd be losing custody completely--she'd still have them half the time. IF someone could shut visitation/custody down by filing endless appeals, then there would never be a change of custody, no matter what is best for the children.

Susan1956 said...

Former Lurker said... 29

I think the main reason that TFW has been silent about the Go Fund Me account is that she doesn't want to give it any publicity. Other than that one Radar article, I don't think anyone has done a story on it. TFW is shrewd enough to know that if she mentions it there will be more articles about it and that might result in some contributions.
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Good point. However, there were a few other online articles, mostly derived from the ROL article, this last week. Even though the go-fund-me went up on a holiday weekend & in the middle of news about Hurricane Harvey, donations seem steady. I'm hoping more journalists will write about it this coming week.

GollyGee said...

Years ago, IIRC, it was when they were doing the Jon comes and stays at the house for his custody and she leaves and vise versa.

There are pictures of Jodi, Kevin and their kids at the compound with Jodi's arm out to hug Jon.

TFW is a horrible mother.


https://drlillianglassbodylanguageblog.wordpress.com/2009/10/26/jon-gosselin-and-steve-missed-each-other-but-jons-ambivalent-towards-jodi/

AuntieAnn said...

FlimsyFlamsy said...

I bet some of the kids could actually be unnerved by typical family dynamics.

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I think the kids were old enough to remember what it was like to visit Jodi and Kevin's home and might just long for that kind of normalcy. For all of Kate's alleged organization and orderliness, all she has done has created a chaotic household. Any sane person who watched that show could see that. I don't think it would take too long to adjust to a less regimented life if any of those kids were given the chance.

AuntieAnn said...

Jamesvader1194 said... 31

Since some here are talking about Kate's relatives,didn't someone here say Kate at least talks with one sister?I would hope that if Jon still keeps in touch with people like jodi and kevin or any of Kate's family,that they are supporting Jon.

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I hope they are too but have wondered what kind of rage it triggers in Kate when she finds out afterward. I don't think she takes kindly to other people influencing her investments. They are "Mine.All mine" in her head. What a way for children to live!

Over And Out said...

Tobias Pettersson‏ @tobbep90sverige

@Kateplusmy8 Alexis is so cute, when she smiles it makes me happy! And please tell Hannah from me that she has beautiful hair 😍😍

Look at his photo. Now this is just plain creeepy!

foxy said...

For Jon's Gofundme post being up for 7 days, he is not getting that many donations. With being well known and his girlfriend also, you would think there would be more than $2300. I have a young friend who needed a helping hand after an unexpected tragedy and her friends put a Gofundme on facebook. She needed $4,000 and in 13 hours her fund had reached $6,735. It is still going strong. I think people in that area are just sick of the Gosselin saga that never seems to stop. This is just my opinion of course.

Layla said...

AuntieAnn (35)

Maybe the 4 kids who visit Jon have found that kind of normalcy it his house. He has been with Colleen for 3 years, and she has a son. There was a recent statement about how Kate is floored by the fact that Jon has stability in his life now. The article was talking about the routine and schedule and structure she has provided for the kids, but no mention of a loving family life. The same article said that the kids (plural) prefer to be with Jon. I doubt she can fathom wanting to be with him when she has the big house and more money, but by now the kids are old enough to understand the price they have to pay for those things. A stable, loving, accepting family would definitely hold some appeal for them.

Layla said...

If I were the judge in this case, I would have to consider the fact that the kids are Kate's source of monetary support. She has a strong motive for keeping custody because she needs them to work. I went back and read the recent articles and the statements from the Kate source never mentions that Kate loves the kids. It's all structure, schedule, discipline, and providing material things. If a judge were to say that the kids cannot be forced to film if they don't want to, then will she be so eager to keep full custody? Maybe she would to save face and keep her brand. But a mother who forces her to work when they are sick or when H has one of her stress headaches does not have their best interests at heart. Not by a long shot.

Jamesvader1194 said...

@AuntieAnn True,i did hear one reason they don't speak out is because of what happen with that one sister(kendra i believe)where the media suddenly reported something negative about her husband.Everyone believed it was Kate,since how would the media know about what her husband did and report about it?Its ironic to me because the Kate fans would say her relatives don't speak out due to fear of being stalked from haters and yet if Kate's mom did speak out,i've never herd of any hater digging up dirt about her husband.

Tucker's Mom said...

. I think people in that area are just sick of the Gosselin saga that never seems to stop. This is just my opinion of course.

^^^^^^
Gosselin fatigue set in a long time ago.
Jon has not been the most sympathetic character, although I think he's by far he better parent.
At this point, the kids are going to play a much bigger factor in custody, and that only takes their testimony and a GAL.

Blowing In The Wind said...

If a judge were to say that the kids cannot be forced to film if they don't want to, then will she be so eager to keep full custody?

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But here's the thing. Would they admit that even if it's true, knowing that they would face Kate's wrath if they didn't want to film?

Has Gladys said anything about the hurricane? According to her, she's in the "deep south."

Layla said...

Tucker's Mom (42),
I really hope you're right. It's time for the courts to start considering the kids' preferences and well-being into account. The episode where Kate dragged Hannah to the mall during one of her headaches, and dismissed it as "just a Hannah thing" clearly demonstrated that her children's well-being is not as important as filming. The same thing happened with Joel--he was dragged out for a filmed shopping trip while sick. His well-being was less important than filming. Their mother should have stepped in and demanded that her sick children should not be filmed. She did not. She completely failed to protect them. She demonstrated for all the world to see that filming is more important than her kids.

Jamesvader1194 (41)
You're right, when Kate's sister spoke out, Kate made sure some nasty stories were reported about that sister's husband. She has shown time and again that she will not hesitate to destroy anyone who gets in her way. Personal attacks, banishment, you name it--she'll do it. Anyone who interferes with her choices will be made to pay.

Formerly Duped said...

When is the custody trial and which kids (surely not the twins) are involved ? Doesn't the GAL/social services have to give a report and recommendation ? Not sure how it all works.Is Jon living near enough for the kids to stay at the same school? I think this might take quite a while as it seems little has been done and now Jon is out of money to continue.

Tucker's Mom said...

She demonstrated for all the world to see that filming is more important than her kids.
^^^^^
I also think society and our "system" has failed those kids.
People clamored by the hundreds of thousands to watch the Gosselin kids on their tvs every week.
As a society, we've failed to protect minors in reality tv and have allowed parents-whose priorities are clearly compromised-to make all decision about filming without the protection of set teachers.

AuntieAnn said...

Everyone believed it was Kate,since how would the media know about what her husband did and report about it?

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James - I share Layla's opinion that Kate knows no bounds when it comes to destroying anyone in her path if they get in her way. She didn't hesitate a minute to slam her brother and his wife after they were offered money to be on J&K+8.

I don't think it's much of a stretch to believe that she's the 'source' or one of the sources who give the media the inside dirt on her opposers whether they're relatives or not.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

To answer the question about whether Kate can appeal a custody change into oblivion, in California, no, usually. It goes into effect right away even if you appeal it. In rare situations, a judge can stay their own order, which is basically a hold on the order going in to effect pending appeal. But they would usually only do that over an order that is so drastic or huge they think an appeal might prevail, or there is some huge change, like for instance an order an American child may move with their father to Australia. That might be stayed pending an appeal, because you might lose the child to Australia if you don't and it gets reversed.

Family law orders are also traditionally impossible to appeal, as it's usually just a judgment call. Absent some kind of error in the law, the Court of Appeal is not going to second guess a judge making a custody call based on what he observed of the family. The Court of Appeal does not touch orders in which reasonable minds could disagree.

Layla said...

I went back and read the TLC statement (from July) about how there's no news about the show and they hope to have limited runs in the future. Taking into consideration Jon's bid for equal custody and a GAL for Hannah (and possibly more of the kids), I really think they were going to continue filming, and there was a court order to stop. The statement mentioned the Gosselins' schedules, but we know Kate will never let the kids' schedules interfering. But what if the GAL has been involved for far longer than we thought? Hannah complained as far back as 2015 that she didn't want to film. If this custody situation has been going on for several months, maybe the court decided that Hannah (and perhaps more of the kids) could not be forced to film. That would be something with the G family schedule that would put a stop to filming. They are hoping this all gets cleared up, Jon is destroyed in court, and they can go right back to filming the kids against their will. And Kate said she "hopes" there will be a premier in the fall. Of course she does. She wants this matter over.


If that's the reality of the matter, then the summer vacation Kate and 6 of the kids took was probably supposed to be filmed. It was probably all paid for, so she took the kids rather than lose out on a free vacation. We all know she'd never pay for one herself. And TLC gave it to her to keep her happy and willing to do future filming.

Problem is, this "limited run" future is only possible if the court decides to allow Kate to force the kids to film against their will. After the recent filming of a sick Joel and Hannah with a stress headache--but still dragged out to the mall and forced to film--I can't see how any judge can say that's in the kids' best interests. If the kids are denied shared time with Jon (which all sources have confirmed that some of the kids want) and they can be forced to work, then the court would have to completely disregard the kids' feelings on the matter. For once, it seems like someone is listening to what they want. The season was cut short, there doesn't seem to be filming going on, and Hannah is with Jon more. That is not Kate's doing.

Anonymous said...

Tucker's Mom said... 46

I also think society and our "system" has failed those kids.
People clamored by the hundreds of thousands to watch the Gosselin kids on their tvs every week.
As a society, we've failed to protect minors in reality tv and have allowed parents-whose priorities are clearly compromised-to make all decision about filming without the protection of set teachers.
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Agreed!

We, as a society, have glamorized having HOM. We've glamorized teens having kids.

I hadn't seen any of the Teen Mom series on MTV until recently. These - now young women - are having multiple children with multiple fathers at this point. I thought the whole premise of the show was to curtail teenage pregnancy. Yet MTV pays them hundreds of thousands to screw up their children's lives and continue to have multiple children with multiple men. I mean what else are you going to do when you don't have a JOB. Disgusting.

Hoosier Girl

Anonymous said...

IMO Kate only wants custody to film.

TLC continued to pay her for Kate plus 7.

If TLC continues to pay her for Kate plus 6, she could not care less if Hannah goes to live with Jon.

If TLC would pay her for Kate plus 0, she would have given up custody long ago.

Hoosier Girl

Tucker's Mom said...

If this custody situation has been going on for several months, maybe the court decided that Hannah (and perhaps more of the kids) could not be forced to film.
^^^^^^
How would TLC and Kate explain away yet another missing Gosselin?
Just think about it. The show started off as Jon and Kate Plus 8. Now they'd be down 3 Gosselins.

You'd have better odds surviving a cruise on the Titanic over the Bermuda Triangle.

Layla said...

Hoosier Girl (51)
Exactly! Kate loves filming more than she loves her children. Kate hates Jon more than she loves her kids. After all the complaints about being a single parent and doing it all on her own, you'd think she'd welcome shared custody. In fact, I think she'd love it if the kids spent half their time with Jon, as long as she could produce them for filming.

Susan1956 said...

Anonymous said... 51
IMO Kate only wants custody to film.

TLC continued to pay her for Kate plus 7.

If TLC continues to pay her for Kate plus 6, she could not care less if Hannah goes to live with Jon.

If TLC would pay her for Kate plus 0, she would have given up custody long ago.

Hoosier Girl
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The last one is so true. Too bad Khate didn't have the 'it' factor or ability to stop talking about herself to make it on the View, ET, etc. and/or on her own show Twist of Kate. Wasn't there supposed to be another one? I think it would be so fascinating to see the one episode of Twist of Kate as well as the failed tryout with Paula Deen.

Sandi said...

Looks like Gladys is preparing for Irma. She has a pic up of her daughter and another of her very tall trees already swaying in the winds. Not sure what you call where the pics are but it's the same place TFW posts hers.

AuntieAnn said...

In fact, I think she'd love it if the kids spent half their time with Jon, as long as she could produce them for filming.

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I don't know. She likes to be away from them, she's proved that over and over, but I think she'd like to keep them away from their dad out of pure spite. She's about as vindictive as it gets where Jon is concerned.

Kylie said...

I saw her post about the storm and her voice just proves that she is much older than she wants us to think. No way that voice belongs to someone with that young girl in her other post. I'm from the south and I know accents can make a difference, but no way is this the same woman that she put up the picture of that was just slightly blurred that she claimed was herself. That person was young. Milo's voice says she is NOT young. Why is she being so duplicitous?

Rainbowsandunicorns said...

You're right, when Kate's sister spoke out, Kate made sure some nasty stories were reported about that sister's husband.

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How and where did she do that?

Ingrid said...

Playing alittle on the Duggar title theme....

Kate+8 Counting Down

Formerly Duped said...

Milo is a Catfish! ( anyone watch the MTV show? I see it sometimes with my daughter- very scary how the internet allows people to alter identity)

Layla said...

Rainbowsandunicorns (58)
I googled the story--it was Kate's sister Kendra, and she spoke out about Kate cutting off all contact with her family and friends. The story was from Jaunary 2014. According to Kendra, Kate hadn't spoken to anyone in her family in 6 years (so, since 2008, the same year she decided she'd outgrown Jon) and that Kate's only "friends" were people who made money off her. After that, "someone" planted nasty stories about the sister's(Kendra's) husband. I don't have any links, but you can type in "Kate Gosselin Sister Kendra" and you'll find it.

Tucker's Mom said...

Kate+8 Counting Down
^^^^^^
LOL!

Sheepless In Seattle said...

Milo is a Catfish! ( anyone watch the MTV show? I see it sometimes with my daughter- very scary how the internet allows people to alter identity)

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There has been speculation here about that for several years, if she really has kids, if the kids in the photos are her own or a neighbor's or really her grandchildren, or if she is really an elderly "he" in a facility (health or mental) somewhere. There's a reason he, she or it won't meet Kate, although theories abound.

The guy on the television show is one of Admin's boyfriends! :)

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Layla (#61), the thing about TFW not having any friends who aren't on the payroll seems to hold water. Even if Jamie started as just a friend, she has now reaped the rewards of fame with free vacations, time away from her own kids, and TV airtime.

Jamesvader1194 said...

Anonymous 50 Since you brought up teen mom.I have to say,i have a mom and sister who watch both series of the show and usually when im in living room on my computer,i'd notice some scenes from the show.So one night i was curious about some of the moms and decided to look them up on twitter and it seems that Leah mother likes Kate since i saw she Retweeted one of Kate's tweets and started following her.I don't know much about Leah but both my mom and sister can't stand her and i've herd she's got into drugs when she was younger.Not sure about her now.

Rainbowsandunicorns said...

I googled the story--it was Kate's sister Kendra, and she spoke out about Kate cutting off all contact with her family and friends. The story was from Jaunary 2014. According to Kendra, Kate hadn't spoken to anyone in her family in 6 years (so, since 2008, the same year she decided she'd outgrown Jon) and that Kate's only "friends" were people who made money off her. After that, "someone" planted nasty stories about the sister's(Kendra's) husband. I don't have any links, but you can type in "Kate Gosselin Sister Kendra" and you'll find it.

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Yes, I kind of remember that, but is it just conjecture that Kate planted those stories, or did it actually come out that Kate herself did it, or where did it come from exactly?

ncgirl said...

"If that's the reality of the matter, then the summer vacation Kate and 6 of the kids took was probably supposed to be filmed."

I think so too. Kate doesn't pay for vacations, and they were fairly close to their production company Figure 8's offices.

GollyGee said...

Maybe the rooms and all of the activities were already in place and pre-paid and then they decided not to film. Oh, TFW ain't gonna let no free week vacation get by her.

Hannah must of stayed with Jon or a day or two with maybe even Aunt Jodi?

FlimsyFlamsy said...

I was just thinking about the email posted recently that TFW had sent to Jon: something like, get out of my way, or you better do things my way, or whatever. Who the eff did she think she was? What a pathetic, cold-hearted, disrespectful comment to make to the father of her children. Or to any grown man, for that matter. He'd jumped through every hoop for years, and she'd be damned if he was going to stop then.

Too bad Jon didn't take control right then, and say, how dare you speak to me that way. But she happily took advantage of his passive nature -- with substantial money and fire power from TLC on her side -- and that's why the current situation exists. Bless his heart, I don't think he realized the depth of her mental illness.

Sad but true said...

Rainbowsandunicorns said... 66

Yes, I kind of remember that, but is it just conjecture that Kate planted those stories, or did it actually come out that Kate herself did it, or where did it come from exactly?
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It followed swift and sure on the heels of Kendra's story about the alienation of K8 and her kids from the Kreiders (within a week, as I recall), and there's no one else who'd have benefited from the story besides K8. Whether it came directly from her (via a surrogate, of course) or from some enterprising reporter (hardly ROL's type, LOL), I think it's pretty clear it was aired with her approval. You'd have to be an insider to have known about the BIL's police reports; it's not like it would have been common--or publicity-worthy--knowledge otherwise.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

The counterpoint to Kate's sister's point was nasty, personal, and ratcheted it up to a whole other level. I'm sorry but it reeked of TFW. Who else would be so quick to bring that up or know that much about these people.

Tucker's Mom said...

FlimsyFlamsy said... 69
I was just thinking about the email posted recently that TFW had sent to Jon: something like, get out of my way, or you better do things my way, or whatever. Who the eff did she think she was? What a pathetic, cold-hearted, disrespectful comment to make to the father of her children. Or to any grown man, for that matter. He'd jumped through every hoop for years, and she'd be damned if he was going to stop then.

Too bad Jon didn't take control right then, and say, how dare you speak to me that way. But she happily took advantage of his passive nature -- with substantial money and fire power from TLC on her side -- and that's why the current situation exists. Bless his heart, I don't think he realized the depth of her mental illness.
^^^^^^
This ;-)
I'd like to think that Jon has his reasons for choosing the path of least resistance.

Layla said...

September 11th has rolled around again. Let's all take a moment to remember the victims and their loved ones. After all this time, it still feels so close.

GollyGee said...


Too bad Jon didn't take control right then, and say, how dare you speak to me that way. But she happily took advantage of his passive nature -- with substantial money and fire power from TLC on her side -- and that's why the current situation exists. Bless his heart, I don't think he realized the depth of her mental illness.

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I couldn't agree more, Flimsy. Her mental illness is deep. In fact, it is a bottomless pit.

Hoping the GAL can get a pysch evaluation ordered through the court.

GollyGee said...

Hopefully, the judge will order shared custody and maybe at least Joel and Aaden could get to play a school sport.

Maybe baseball, basketball or soccer.

A crying shame that Collin can't be with them.

Midnight Madness said...

Hoping the GAL can get a pysch evaluation ordered through the court.

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Does a GAL have legal authority to request an evaluation? Admin?

Former Lurker said...

Based on what Milo said in her Instagram video of the trees, and her comments on that post today, I think she lives in southern Georgia. In the video, she said she's not concerned about the water because they're up high at the end of the Appalachian mountains. Also, she commented today that her electricity is out now, winds are 50 mph, it's pouring rain, and the worst is expected to hit her area between 3 and 5 pm today. All signs point to Georgia.

Layla said...

My dear Canadian posters, I'm thinking I may move up there. Why, you ask? Not for political reasons, but because some of my favorite Canadian treats are hard to find in the US. Months ago a friend turned me on to Coffee Crisps, and I'm still hooked. Fortunately they're available on Amazon.com. And then there's All Dressed Ruffles....my absolute favorite. They used to have them at my grocery store, and now they don't! I took my search online, and found them at WalMart.com. I ordered about a million bags. But then I was hit with the sudden realization...if Wal Mart stops carrying them, I'm in trouble. I'd have to start making road trips across the border to smuggle them into the country. So the only reasonable option is moving. I informed DH, and he told me I'm crazy. Then I reminded him that poutine is available everywhere in Canada. He's ready to go.

Formerly Duped said...

Layla said... 78
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Before you pack up, do you have World Market near you? Or Lolli and Pops? They both sell British and European treats. My daughter just bought me a stash! Also we find poutine in the fall and winter at some restaurants. The Met Bar and Grill has it seasonally. (I am Canadian by birth and grew up with these treats!)

Layla said...

Formerly (79)
We do have a World Market, thank goodness, but I can only find my chips in one place now. That's scary. I'm one of those women who has a salad with a side of All Dressed chips for lunch and doesn't feel any shame. I limit my Coffee Crisp intake to one per day. Most of the time. DH is a poutine lover (okay, I am too). It's not easy to find in the DC area. Are you from this area? Please fill me in on some good locations!

I am okay for now because I still have a steady supply, but I am a believer in planning ahead. If my supplies run out, I'm packing my bags. And buying elastic-waist pants.

Formerly Duped said...

lol Layla.. no, I am in a suburb of Boston now. It's very hard to limit CC to one a day- I admire that! Amazon and WalMart it is then- I don't think they will stop the supply if you buy enough!

I had to buy Scrubbin' Bubbles pads from Amazon since NO stores seem to carry them now- the pads you can attach to a wand, clean the toilet and flush. A necessary quick clean I need to keep on hand.I plan ahead too- what if someone wanted to use the restroom and it wasn't Scrubbin' Bubbles pristine?

Anonymous said...

I think it was established (or at least presumed) that Milo lives in Georgia. That is why, a couple of days ago I wished safety to all in harm's way (in Florida and Georgia). I made special mention of Milo because I know she reads here.

bm

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

OT

All 54 cats at the Hemingway House are safe and accounted for, and the house emerged unscathed!

Layla said...

Oh, Formerly Duped, you're in Boston. We're planning to go up there in December for some holiday shopping and to go to Holiday Pops at the Symphony Hall. We'll have to add a trip to the Met Bar and Grill for poutine!

Formerly Duped said...

Layla, you will enjoy Boston at Christmas time! we will have to discuss this!

Former Lurker said...

Anonymous said... 82
I think it was established (or at least presumed) that Milo lives in Georgia. That is why, a couple of days ago I wished safety to all in harm's way (in Florida and Georgia). I made special mention of Milo because I know she reads here.

bm

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Thanks, bm. I must have missed that. I wasn't sure whether it had been determined what state she's in. In any event, I join you in hoping everyone is okay in this storm.

Anonymous said...

On her Instagram Milo said "worst is yet to come around 3 to 5pm". It is now 9:30pm (Eastern). I hope she and LOM are safe.

bm

Susan1956 said...

OT

Watching Counting On in order to track the advertisers. I would say TLC is feeling pretty comfortable or advertisers are loosening up. 31 ads have been shown so far, 3 og them twice.

Sherry Baby said...

Watching Counting On in order to track the advertisers.

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I'm missing something. Why track the advertisers for a TLC show? It's not a Kate show, so even if someone contacted them, and voiced their objection to their ads appearing on a Duggar show, what would the positive effect be in the chance that Kate comes back?

Sherry Baby said...

Milo is in Georgia? I seem to remember that the non-fans on Twitter said that she lives out in the boonies in or near Nashville, and even posted the street address and her name, From things she has tweeted, though, I think it's somewhere in Georgia, Atlanta or Savannah area.

Former Lurker said...

A look at his Instagram shows that "Uncle Ronnie" has been on a trip out west. On September 3rd, he posted a photo with his mother as they were going to a concert at Mandalay Bay in Las Vegas. TFW posted a comment there:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BYlZEGjndgH/?taken-by=ronniedieterich

ronniedieterich
Mandalay Bay

ronniedieterich Salt-n-Pepa wit this dancing fool. Meet and Greet photo to follow in "48 to 72 hours" 🕺🏻#puffmama #saltnpepa #pushitrealgood

kateplusmy8 Seriously. You're clearly gorgeous Ken (duh!) but your momma??! I can only hope to be 10% as gorgeous now, let alone when my kids are your age!! 😩 #LoveYou #3CardPokerTime

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TFW' always gushes over him and his looks, and his family's looks.

I wonder... when the last was that C received a "Love You" from her?

Ronnie's next photo was of him and his mother going to Britney Spears' show at Planet Hollywood in Vegas. TFW didn't comment on that one:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BYn-tWZHJWn/?saved-by=ronniedieterich


But, here's the best part. After that, he posted photos at the Grand Canyon and TFW certainly did not comment on this (click on the arrow on the pic to scroll through the six photos):

https://www.instagram.com/p/BYtt7mznpEf/?taken-by=ronniedieterich

ronniedieterich
Grand Canyon Skywalk

ronniedieterich An inspiring, humbling experience today at The Grand Canyon. Left totally surprised by how magical and stunningly beautiful this place is...can't wait to come back. Plus a little photo sesh never hurt anyone. #grandcanyon #grandcanyonskywalk #familyphotos #cheese #newyorkcolorist #newyorkhairstylist #nofilterneeded

No comment TFW??? No been there, done that, it's just a "waste of space"?

Admin's recap of that episode (scroll down to Day 13 Grand Canyon):

http://www.realitytvkids.com/2011/09/recap-rv-breakdown-9511-this-is-kates.html

capecodmama said...

My local World Market did not have Coffee Crisps! I was not pleased.

Tucker's Mom...Did your in-laws weather the storm okay?

Susan1956 said...

Back to my post at #88. That should read of instead of og.

Anyway, that is 2 hours I will never get back, but tonight's episode of Counting On was interesting just for the things left unsaid. TLC should be renamed the Sneaky Lying Channel or Smoke & Mirrors Channel. The show starts off with Ben & Jessa plus their boys--the new baby is only 2 months old and already weighs 15 pounds-while they are packing for a trip to San Antonio to see Jinger & Jeremy. Then Jinger & Jeremy appear onscreen and Jinger says "this season Jeremy and I are just focusing on each other" when the producer asks about adding a baby to their lives. Foreshadow much? Jinger has got to be using some form of contraception as she's set a Duggar record for not getting pregnant. Some quick scenes of both families in San Antonio--I was hoping Jinger would wear pants in those scenes, but she didn't. The camera switches back & forth between Jessa and Jinger talking head segments. Finally, a scene with Joy-Anna, her wedding designer (not planner, but designer) and Babykins checking out the church where Joy-Anna & Austin will be married. Quick segment with Jill talking (I don't remember about what), then back to Ben & Jessa's plane trip with the two babies. Jessa makes a big point about how both Spurgeon and Henry are considered lap babies, which is good because they fly free. Of course, Spurgeon gets restless and Jessa talks about how they are now 'that family' that can't keep their kids from crying on the plane. Not sure I buy the lap baby story, as in the shot of them getting off the plane one of them is carrying a car seat. Quick segment with Jill & Dirty Jesus & Israel in their quarters in El Salvador, talking about how dangerous the area is with shots of barbed wire surrounding their quarters and hoping nothing goes wrong in her pregnancy before they can get back to the states. Jill still identifies herself as a midwife, which pisses me off. The older unmarried boys are shown during these segments, offering their thoughts and observations on their siblings' activities. The most cringe-worthy moment was when the Seewalds & Vuolos went into a San Antonio shop to get dessert of different flavored ice? bars/popsicles. The older unmarried boys sat on a couch and guessed the origin of the bars as Greek or Latin. Clue--they were in San Antonio. Then there is a long segment which revolves around Joseph & Kendra, preparations for Joseph's proposal to enter into courtship--Kendra gets a promise ring rather than heart-shaped necklaces like the married Duggar girls received at the time of their courtship proposals. Jana makes an appearance helping Joseph arrange the roses for Kendra in a vase and also helps chaperone the outing. Of course Kendra says yes and the caravan of people make their way home to the Duggar house where JimBoob makes an appearance. The show ends with Joseph and Kendra talking to a producer and being cagey about their wedding date.

Tonight's episode of Counting On had 30 commercials, with more from national companies, compared to an average of 25 during the last 3 episodes this summer.
However, Meet The Putnams, which followed Counting On, had 60 commercials which is slightly less/just as many (depending on the episode) that were shown during Kate + 8 this past summer. Several commercials were repeated during both shows tonight.

Susan1956 said...

Continuation of previous post:

1. Promo for upcoming scenes of Counting On
2. Mother (movie by Paramount Studios)
3. Taco Bell
4. Enterprise
5. Milk Life
6. Allstate
7. Fiora Toilet Paper
8. *Regional ad
9. Promo for the Little Couple
10. Promo for TLCme featuring taped video message from Joseph & Kendra at time of their wedding (same one that was in People?)
11. Promo for Behind Closed Doors: The American Family
12. The Mountain Between Us (20th Century Fox movie)
13. Progressive
14. Scotch Brite
15. Car Max
16. Victoza
17. *Regional ad
18. Medicare Coverage Options
19. Outdaughtered promo
20. Promo for upcoming scenes of Counting On
21. Promo for Meet The Putmans
22. Kia
23. Chobani Flip Yogurt
24. Enterprise (2)
25. Mother (movie by Paramount Studios) (2)
26. Taco Bell (2)
27. Direct TV
28. Angel Care Insurance Network
29. Promo for next week's episode of Counting On
30. Promo for upcoming season of Counting On

There were 19 ads from national companies tonight on Counting On compared to 10-15 from the last 3 episodes this past summer. Is TLC getting less usable footage out of the Duggars, hence the increase in ads? Why were there so many ads during the episode of Meet The Putmans? It seems like Joy-Anna got the shaft re: air time this week and while next week's episode will center around her wedding, she also has to share the spotlight with Joseph proposing to Kendra at her wedding reception.

TLC is still the Sneaky Lying Channel.

AuntieAnn said...

Layla (78) - I've been to Coffee Crisp rehab but it was unsuccessful. They ARE that addictive. Halloween is approaching and those little golden-wrapped single bars are being sold in 20 to 90 count bags everywhere.

I think it might be my favorite time of the year.

Susan1956 said...

Sherry Baby said... 89
Watching Counting On in order to track the advertisers.

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I'm missing something. Why track the advertisers for a TLC show? It's not a Kate show, so even if someone contacted them, and voiced their objection to their ads appearing on a Duggar show, what would the positive effect be in the chance that Kate comes back?
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Mainly curiosity since 19 Kids & Counting was cancelled after companies pulled their ads once Josh's molestation of his sisters and the babysitter became known and Counting On has had very few ads from national companies shown during their episodes/continuation of the boycott of 19 Kids & Counting. I've contacted advertisers from both Counting On and Kate + 8 in the past and over half were not aware their ads were being shown and did not want them shown during those shows. The catch is that unless the advertisers instruct their marketing departments to specify that their ads are not to be shown, TLC will shunt them into those ad slots in order to pay for the expensive European honeymoons the kids are given.

Also, someone on this board once said that TLC will eventually try to bring back a watered down version of 19 Kids and Counting with more of a central role for JimBoob and Babykins, maybe even Josh and I tend to agree. So I watch the ads and share my observations for anyone who is interested.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


kateplusmy8 Seriously. You're clearly gorgeous Ken (duh!) but your momma??! I can only hope to be 10% as gorgeous now, let alone when my kids are your age!! 😩 #LoveYou #3CardPokerTime


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Her comments and gushing are embarrassing. I REALLY don't think this guy likes her as much as she adores him, and that imbalance is all the more embarrassing.

GollyGee said...

Your right, Admin.

Her gushing over Uncle Ronnie's tweets were over the top and makes it look like she's 13 with a huge crush on him. So funny she mentioned about his mother and her saying she wished she had 10 percent of his mother's beauty.

So funny that she didn't mention that about Britney Spears. Should of told UR that she wished that she had 10 percent of Britney's awesome parenting skills when she mentally reaches Britney's age.

Is the 3 Poker Card Game a slip? I wonder how much she gambled away with the kids money over the years in Vegas for their welfare and safety.

NJGal51 said...

kateplusmy8 Seriously. You're clearly gorgeous Ken (duh!) but your momma??! I can only hope to be 10% as gorgeous now, let alone when my kids are your age!! �� #LoveYou #3CardPokerTime
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Her comments and gushing are embarrassing. I REALLY don't think this guy likes her as much as she adores him, and that imbalance is all the more embarrassing.
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What's really embarrassing is this whole Ken/Barbie thing that she's latched on to. I'm sure at one point he called her "Barbie" (she does have that whole plastic look going on) and now she's like Milo with the grow a boyfriend and won't let it go. All she was doing with her comment was fishing for compliments and he ignored her because, well, he's got a life going on and it only includes her if cameras/publicity are involved. She will be that mother that parades around in a bikini in front of her daughters' boyfriends. In competition with them or jealous of their youth...take your pick but it will eventually happen. She's got to get that narcissistic fill somewhere. But back to my point, this whole "You're Ken and I'm Barbie" teenage bullshit just makes her look desperate.

Sad but true said...

NJGal51 said... 99

But back to my point, this whole "You're Ken and I'm Barbie" teenage bullshit just makes her look desperate.
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And even worse, she knows that at least her twins are on IG and probably follow "Uncle" Ronnie, and so will have seen this patently compliment-fishing remark. (Kudos to UR for not taking the bait.) He's likely closer to their age than hers. There's a whole ick factor going on here that, yes, I can see playing out if/when the girls bring their suitors around. Now that might be something educational for TLC to film, as a cautionary tale or an after-school special: "My Mom Stole My Boyfriend!"

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Sad but true (#100), I will third the motion you and NJGal51 made -- TFW threw out her net and was hoping to pull in a compliment. If she'd made a comment like that on Twitter or Insta, Gladys would've nibbled that bait in a heartbeat:
"UR a mama to 8 who still looksGr8! #NaturalBeauty#Inside&Out#DeAging

Tucker's Mom said...

kateplusmy8 Seriously. You're clearly gorgeous Ken (duh!) but your momma??! I can only hope to be 10% as gorgeous now, let alone when my kids are your age!! �� #LoveYou #3CardPokerTime
^^^^^
What I find funny is that Kate's basically saying that she's "gorgeous".
Apparently, she thinks she's gorgeous, but not gorgeous enough.
Truly, she stopped maturing at around age 15.

Tucker's Mom said...

Her comments and gushing are embarrassing. I REALLY don't think this guy likes her as much as she adores him, and that imbalance is all the more embarrassing.
^^^^^
Definitely has a creepy cougar vibe.

Susan1956 said...

FlimsyFlamsy said... 101
Sad but true (#100), I will third the motion you and NJGal51 made -- TFW threw out her net and was hoping to pull in a compliment. If she'd made a comment like that on Twitter or Insta, Gladys would've nibbled that bait in a heartbeat:
"UR a mama to 8 who still looksGr8! #NaturalBeauty#Inside&Out#DeAging
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I'm confused. What social media app did she make this comment on?

Tucker's Mom said...

capecodmama said... 92
My local World Market did not have Coffee Crisps! I was not pleased.

Tucker's Mom...Did your in-laws weather the storm okay?

^^^^^
My in-laws were in the Germain Arena- if you watched coverage of Irma, it was shown and mentioned a lot. They waited 4 hours to get in!
Despite opening it as a shelter ad hoc, they actually got 2 meals served, which was a Godsend since they didn't bring enough food.
The left Germain yesterday morning and went to their development (their car is a-ok-no damage!) where they found flooded streets, but homes appear ok.
They haven't tried to get into their house because they didn't want to chance how deep the water was to get to their front door.
The GREAT news is that neighbors offered for them to stay at their house if the power went out-which of course, it did most of the state. Neighbors have an in-line generator due to the husband's medical needs, so they have been there since yesterday, with food, a/c and a bed.
I'm sort of planning ahead and booked them a flight up here on Thursday, just in case. My bet is that all those thousands and thousands of residents are going back to their home to check for damage. Best case scenario is that their homes are just fine, but it's a flippitybillion degrees down there and homes will be ungodly hot with no a/c or even a fan.
They are going to want to get out to be comfortable until power and water are restored, and I predict flights will once again be scarce.
I couldn't find a hotel for them because their power is out, too. You'd have to drive for hours to find power at this point.
So, better that they come here for a few days, if they need it.
If by some miracle, the power gets restored in the next 2 days, then we'll just cancel the flight and use the tickets another time.

Thanks for asking!

Layla said...

Formerly Duped (85)
I am open to all recommendations you have for our time in Boston! We have a bunch of favorite restaurants go to, and a few outings planned, but we need more.

Tucker's Mom said...

ronniedieterich An inspiring, humbling experience today at The Grand Canyon. Left totally surprised by how magical and stunningly beautiful this place is...can't wait to come back.
^^^^^
He's obviously far more educated and intelligent than Kate. I can not fathom him being friends with her. The age difference and intellect are too disparate.
Must be the money and chance to get free trips.

Tucker's Mom said...

ronniedieterich An inspiring, humbling experience today at The Grand Canyon. Left totally surprised by how magical and stunningly beautiful this place is...can't wait to come back.
^^^^
I can see why Kate is envious of Ronnie's mom. She's far more naturally pretty and she's PETITE.

Formerly Duped said...

I agree- Kate thinks she is 'georgous' (Isn't that how she spelled it before?) and de-ages, has a magical good bra and just doesn't see reality.And I also cringe when she flirted with the workers in the house or the guides on trips at the various tourist spots.

Layla said...

AuntieAnn (95)
They have the little snack sized bars? I need those! I'm completely hooked, but it takes more time on my elliptical and treadmill each day to get my pants to zip. Maybe the little bars will help in that department. Of course, being me, I'd just eat more of them.

Kate is clinging to Ronnie as he is part of the "celeb" crowd she's trying to hang onto. Very minor league celebrity, of course, but that's as far as she ever managed to go. Without them and TLC, she's just another PA housewife and mom. That's the last thing she wants to be. And of course she's clinging to the Barbie thing--it's not going to work for her much longer. She's getting a bit old for that look, and soon she'll be like those "Real Housewives" women with their obvious facelifts and freakish amounts of (also obvious) plastic surgery. It's hard to claim that you're de-aging when you're all stretched and stuffed.

Formerly Duped said...

Layla- I'm on the case! Should be a great trip. Personally I hope for a white Christmas this year although not the blizzards we often get.Sounds like you've been here before?

Jamesvader1194 said...

Susan1956 She made that comment on Ronnie's instagram and in regards to the duggars,i both honestly and sadly thought the fact that TLC brought back the duggars and started defending Josh when he did confess despite knowing about it would be enough to convince the majority of Americans to open their eyes to what kind of company TLC is but it sadly didn't.I would think that when the article that came out with all the child molesters on there would be enough to boycott the entire company but it didn't.

Tucker's Mom said...

Layla said... 106
Formerly Duped (85)
I am open to all recommendations you have for our time in Boston! We have a bunch of favorite restaurants go to, and a few outings planned, but we need more.
September 12, 2017 at 8:21 AM
^^^
Me too!
I'm planning a trip up there for pre-Christmas merriment and the Pops sounds great!
We went to the Philly Pops last year and it was wonderful.

Any recommendations on restaurants and not-to-miss stuff would be appreciated.

Tucker's Mom said...

Kate is clinging to Ronnie as he is part of the "celeb" crowd she's trying to hang onto. Very minor league celebrity, of course, but that's as far as she ever managed to go. Without them and TLC, she's just another PA housewife and mom
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Yup. The professional hangers on will be drying up soon, if they haven't already.

Warmth Of The Sun said...

Susan 93...Would it be possible for you to paragraph? It would be so much easier on these tired old eyes!

Susan1956 said...

Jamesvader1194 said... 112
Susan1956 She made that comment on Ronnie's instagram
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Thanks James. I can't seem to find Ronnie's Instagram. Not sure what I'm doing wrong. Could you send me a link please?

Former Lurker said...

Sad but true said... 100

And even worse, she knows that at least her twins are on IG and probably follow "Uncle" Ronnie, and so will have seen this patently compliment-fishing remark. (Kudos to UR for not taking the bait.) He's likely closer to their age than hers. There's a whole ick factor going on here that, yes, I can see playing out if/when the girls bring their suitors around. Now that might be something educational for TLC to film, as a cautionary tale or an after-school special: "My Mom Stole My Boyfriend!"

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"Uncle Ronnie" posted a few Instagram selfies back on March 10th, which he said was his 33rd birthday.

By the way, TFW didn't comment on any of his birthday selfies. But, mkbrownlow did wish him a Happy Birthday.

Tucker's Mom said...

. Now that might be something educational for TLC to film, as a cautionary tale or an after-school special: "My Mom Stole My Boyfriend!"
^^^^
I can see Kate having her fun bags on full display when one of the girls brings home a bf to meet 'Mommy'.

Former Lurker said...

NJGal51 said... 99

What's really embarrassing is this whole Ken/Barbie thing that she's latched on to. I'm sure at one point he called her "Barbie" (she does have that whole plastic look going on) and now she's like Milo with the grow a boyfriend and won't let it go. All she was doing with her comment was fishing for compliments and he ignored her because, well, he's got a life going on and it only includes her if cameras/publicity are involved. She will be that mother that parades around in a bikini in front of her daughters' boyfriends. In competition with them or jealous of their youth...take your pick but it will eventually happen. She's got to get that narcissistic fill somewhere. But back to my point, this whole "You're Ken and I'm Barbie" teenage bullshit just makes her look desperate.

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Well, she IS desperate, lol. I agree, this Ken & Barbie stuff is pathetic.

In case anyone missed it, I posted this earlier this year:

"Uncle Ronnie" was posting family pics on Christmas day and here's TFW's comment on a pic of him, his two sisters, and his mother:

Hhttps://www.instagram.com/p/BOdoGhxFFSH/?saved-by=ronniedieterich


kateplusmy8 I just need to say.... Your mom and sisters are GORGEOUS, but then again, Ken, what did I expect your family would look like, seeing as you came right out of a 'Ken doll box' :):):) :):):) #OurGuncleRonnieToo ❤️ #ComeVisitSoon

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Notice how she used Tori Spelling's "Guncle" (gay uncle) term in the hashtag.

Former Lurker said...

Tucker's Mom said... 108

I can see why Kate is envious of Ronnie's mom. She's far more naturally pretty and she's PETITE.

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Last night, I didn't post the link for the pis of them at Britney Spears' show, but here it is:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BYn-tWZHJWn/?saved-by=ronniedieterich

Sad but true said...

Tucker's Mom said... 102

She is clearly hung up on her surgically-enhanced self, that has been clear for a very long time. She lives for people telling her how stunning she is for a "mom of 8." Unfortunately, Mama June is living proof that with enough time and money, just about anyone can buy her face and figure.

Tucker's Mom said...

kateplusmy8 I just need to say.... Your mom and sisters are GORGEOUS, but then again, Ken, what did I expect your family would look like, seeing as you came right out of a 'Ken doll box' :):):) :):):) #OurGuncleRonnieToo ❤️ #ComeVisitSoon

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Notice how she used Tori Spelling's "Guncle" (gay uncle) term in the hashtag.
^^^^^
Frankly, I think Kate's level of fawning over Ronnie is creepy and uncomfortable, with her hyper-focused comments on people's looks.
She's obsessed with looks and obviously places great value in attractiveness.
I find it rather disrespectful when women think they can act like this to gay men.

Tucker's Mom said...

Unfortunately, Mama June is living proof that with enough time and money, just about anyone can buy her face and figure.
^^^^^
LOL! It also highlights the homogenous look so many women get when they go for the Barbie aesthetic.

AuntieAnn said...

"I can only hope to be 10% as gorgeous now, let alone when my kids are your age!!"

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Pfft. Don't get your hopes up too high, Kate. Looked in a mirror lately?

Formerly Duped said...

Tucker and Layla: Closer to December I will post what's going on for the festive season in Boston. Some musst are the Museum of Fine Art,Science Museum, NE Holocaust Memorial, Faneuil Hall, Freedom Trail North End, Boston Common and Public Garden....Newbury Street for shopping ( expensive) but fun and loads of stores, driving around to see the lights etc. The Pops should be lovely.I don't get into Boston much myself,living in a suburb but try to at holiday time.

Sad but true said...

So TLC is bringing on a 2nd set of quintuplets in November. Oh and they've got the obligatory People spread, too. Watch out, Busbys. (This is from the TLC FB page.)

"I'm so excited to share with you all the first sneak peak of our newest TLC Show #HodgesHalfDozen!!!! From the moment I met this family I knew America would love them and their story. Make sure to tune in Nov. 7th (don't worry I'll remind you) and congratulations to the Hodges Half Dozen!"

Layla said...

Formerly Duped and Tucker's Mom,
Yes, we've been to Boston before and loved it! Each time we visit we end up with a list of things we want to see and do the next time we go. Last time we stayed at the Four Seasons and ate at the restaurant there (Bristol, I think it was called) and it was amazing. Ogawa Coffee was another favorite for coffee and baked treats, and Babbo for pizza and pasta. We have Hillstone (sushi!!!) on our list of must-visit places, as well as South End Buttery. We always make sure we're well fed on vacation!

This trip will include more museums (recommendations appreciated) and I love walking around in Beacon Hill. I just love the ambience there.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Tucker's Mom (#105), glad to hear your inlaws are being helped by such kind neighbors.

Jane, is your place okay? I don't think you've checked back in. I'm sure it's been a stressful time.

Jane said...

FlimsyFlamsy said... 128
Tucker's Mom (#105), glad to hear your inlaws are being helped by such kind neighbors.

Jane, is your place okay? I don't think you've checked back in. I'm sure it's been a stressful time.

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Thank you, Flimsy!

Other than trees down and no power yet, we came out of this okay. I understand from friends there that the devastation in some areas, the Keys especially, is almost unimaginable.

Tucker's Mom said...

Sad but true said... 126
So TLC is bringing on a 2nd set of quintuplets in November. Oh and they've got the obligatory People spread, too. Watch out, Busbys. (This is from the TLC FB page.)

"I'm so excited to share with you all the first sneak peak of our newest TLC Show #HodgesHalfDozen!!!! From the moment I met this family I knew America would love them and their story. Make sure to tune in Nov. 7th (don't worry I'll remind you) and congratulations to the Hodges Half Dozen!"
^^^^
Kate's relevance just keeps on waning, doesn't it? She thought she was so unique that TLC would never find another family with a crapload of kids.

Tucker's Mom said...

Other than trees down and no power yet, we came out of this okay. I understand from friends there that the devastation in some areas, the Keys especially, is almost unimaginable.
^^^^^
People in the Keys are panicking at this point because they are so cut off. No food. No water.
I don't know what they imagined would happen after a monster like Irma hit them.

Sad but true said...

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/celebrity-big-brother-dream-cast-slideshow-wp-164018925/photo-p-former-rel-nofollow-href-photo-164018843.html

Well, K8ie didn't make this list, but who else thinks she's lobbying her flat ass off for a place on this show? Only trouble is, how would dumping her kids on a not-a-nanny for at least several weeks sit with the family court? What to do, what to do . . .

Layla said...

Sad but true (132)
Kate would be thrilled to dump her kids for weeks/months if she could get a spot on Celebrity Big Brother. Problem is, She now has to work to keep Jon from getting custody. If she's going to be dumping the kids for long periods of time, that won't make her look like a very stable parent. If she goes for a spot on CBB she might make some serious money, but lose control over the kids and any future filming them. If she gives up on CBB (that is, if they would even want her), she could still hold onto some hope of keeping control over the kids and being able to force them to film. You're right--what to do, what to do???

capecodmama said...

Tucker's Mom....Glad to hear your in-laws are okay.
Jane...Glad to hear you're okay as well.

Susan1956 said...

Tucker's Mom...130

Plus they're little babies & the father is a Marine. 2 good hooks, so much better than a single, screaming, over-botoxed Barbie.

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

Her comments and gushing are embarrassing. I REALLY don't think this guy likes her as much as she adores him, and that imbalance is all the more embarrassing.

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Didn't she gush over BV, calling him her knight in shining armor? We know how that worked out for her. I think I'd be careful about gushing if I were Kate.

ncgirl said...

The Little People Big World family has another baby. The average sized twin Jeremy and his wife had a daughter.

Kate used to flirt on twitter with her former hairstylist Jason. They joked about her dancing on Dancing with the Stars. Fawning over gay hairdressers is what she does. The men must make her feel special(for the right price). Cara was happy to see Ronnie, and it's a shame they have to get invested in the "help" because there's nobody else.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Jane (#129), oh, I am so glad to hear that. But of course sorry for those who suffered great losses. Yes, some of the things we've seen on TV are unfathomable. But the stories of courage and kindness are surely inspiring.

GollyGee said...

NJGal51...said 99

She will be that mother that parades around in a bikini in front of her daughters' boyfriends. In competition with them or jealous of their youth...take your pick but it will eventually happen. She's got to get that narcissistic fill somewhere.

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Not only will she flirt with her daughters boyfriends in the future but years ago she displayed her girls right in this little boys face.

http://www.justjared.com/photo-gallery/2012061/kate-gosselin-blue-bikini-04/

http://www.justjared.com/photo-gallery/2012111/kate-gosselin-blue-bikini-09/

Remember the flesh tone bikini she was wearing while she was running around the outside of the house years ago when Steve and his sons where there?

A real mom doesn't do things like this!

ncgirl said...

Josh the molester and his helpmeet had their fifth baby

http://people.com/tv/josh-anna-duggar-welcome-son-mason-garrett/

TLC is having a baby boom, and TFW has her puppy boom.

Fleecing The Sheeple said...


Kate used to flirt on twitter with her former hairstylist Jason. They joked about her dancing on Dancing with the Stars. Fawning over gay hairdressers is what she does.

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Did Matt build decks for them?

Former Lurker said...

ncgirl said... 137

Kate used to flirt on twitter with her former hairstylist Jason. They joked about her dancing on Dancing with the Stars. Fawning over gay hairdressers is what she does. The men must make her feel special(for the right price). Cara was happy to see Ronnie, and it's a shame they have to get invested in the "help" because there's nobody else.

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Speaking of Jason, does she ever mention him anymore? They're such good "friends" after all, aren't they? So, I would assume she still occasionally meets her "friend" for dinner in NYC, right?

/sarcasm

FlimsyFlamsy said...

TFW's obsession with looks makes me worry for her 5 daughters. It's bad enough she thinks school is a drag, and seems to display zero work ethic. What a miserable role model she is. This is a woman who was quoted saying nothing tastes as good as skinny feels (I know she didn't make it up, but still).

Wouldn't a more meaningful compliment to Ronnie's mother be something like, I bet she's a terrific woman, because she raised such a wonderful son?

GollyGee said...

Perfect timing today.

Sad that Anna was delivering her baby while her husband's lawsuit (over molesting his sisters and the babysitter) was stayed by a federal judge.

http://kfor.com/2017/09/12/judge-halts-lawsuit-filed-by-arkansas-television-personality/

Sad but true said...

ncgirl said... 140

What the hell is People thinking? I guess this "union" they've struck with TLC means they have to breathlessly follow even the child molesters who are part of the "TLC family." This should've received no more than a brief mention on that page they used to have in the print publication, "Passages," or whatever the hell it was called.

Former Lurker said...

FlimsyFlamsy said... 143

Wouldn't a more meaningful compliment to Ronnie's mother be something like, I bet she's a terrific woman, because she raised such a wonderful son?

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It's funny that you mentioned that because I looked at another photo that he posted of him and his mother last year, and someone posted a simlar comment. When I saw the comment I thought how nice and genuine it was, and how different it was from TFW's superficial comments always remarking on their "gorgeous" looks:

Xxxxxxxx I need to ask your mom what she did to raise such a wonderful son😘

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Wouldn't a more meaningful compliment to Ronnie's mother be something like, I bet she's a terrific woman, because she raised such a wonderful son?


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Her compliments are usually so superficial. There was another pic he posted, maybe around a holiday, that I remember her also making a comment all about how good looking the family was.

She's kind of like Milo in that she keeps bringing up how gorgeous they are, and it's really awkward.

Susan1956 said...

Read the last sentence in the article. They are not a fan of Josh.

http://thestir.cafemom.com/celebrities/207172/josh_anna_duggar_baby_boy?utm_content=duggars_fanpage&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=sm

And he's still creepy.

http://thestir.cafemom.com/celebrities/207171/josh_anna_duggar_wedding_appearance?utm_content=duggars_fanpage&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=sm

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Was TFW's sole mention of that Mother's Day garden project a picture of a pepper a few weeks later? She's not really known for her follow through, is she?

If she hadn't gotten rid of her "helper boy," I bet she would have had a spectacular garden. She could have done an episode about "putting up" vegetables, and another about cooking with things she's grown -- letting her 7 kids help her in the kitchen. And if she'd had a pumpkin patch, that might have scored her another Halloween episode. Sure, it might have aired on the 4th of July, but...

Tucker's Mom said...

If she hadn't gotten rid of her "helper boy," I bet she would have had a spectacular garden. She could have done an episode about "putting up" vegetables, and another about cooking with things she's grown -- letting her 7 kids help her in the kitchen. And if she'd had a pumpkin patch, that might have scored her another Halloween episode. Sure, it might have aired on the 4th of July, but...
^^^^
Yes, where are the buckets of salsa?

Oh, a pumpkin patch...that reminds me of filming at a local corn maze where Kate trounced through with her spikey witch boots, mowing down corn stalks getting back to the BBB after letting the kids run amuck for 20 minutes.
For filming purposes only.
I believe she made a point of kissing Collin for the cameras for a little PR spin.

westcoastie said...

Not sure if you all saw

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-4880614/Jon-Gosselin-s-mom-SLAMS-Kate.html

Susan1956 said...

Unbelievable.

http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/jon-gosselin-mom-141679

Anonymous said...

"She needs psychological help: Jon Gosselin's mother SLAMS Kate as she claims reality star makes kids chant they will not visit their father" New article in the Daily Mail states that Jon's mother was an eyewitness to the incident when police were called.

She also says Hannah was shunned by the other kids when she did go back to Kate. Worse still, she says Kate makes them all chant, 'we will not visit Jon', not even 'we will not visit Daddy'.

bm

Jamesvader1194 said...

Sad but true said... 126 Wow another show where someone pops out a bunch of kids,how original TLC.How many is that now since Kate?Its strange how TLC does these type of shows still when some of them don't last long.I remember not only table for 12 but there was also this latino family called the carpios i think.I also remember another family that later on divorce.Sheesh i remember a couple of years ago i was getting sick of all these types of shows.Is TLC just trying to get the new generation hooked or are there still people who would be interested in this.

Layla said...

Daily Mail has a new story from Jon's mother--turns out she was a witness to the custody exchange where Hannah turned up in the hospital. She says that Hannah told them (jon and his mother) that Kate instructed the other kids not to speak to Hannah after she returned home to teach her a lesson for refusing to come with Kate. And that Kate has the kids chant in unison, "We will not visit Jon". She wants the court to order a psych eval for Kate. Kate is nasty, vindictive and manipulative. That doesn't mean she's mentally ill, but it doesn't rule it out.
We thought it'd be a few more years before any of the kids would start blowing the whistle on what goes on inside that house. Looks like Hannah isn't going to wait. And of course, TLC will be right there, holding Kate's hand and waiting for their opportunity to film again. They couldn't care less whether their "talent" abuses kids. They don't care that two of their "talent" molested little girls in their own families (Toby Willis and Josh Duggar). Ice cold.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

The judge restricting Hannah even more from Jon is going to make her worse, not better. This is Probably going to get the point of some of the kids are just going to go to Jon court order be damned. Is that what the judge wants? And I find it rather incredible that the judge thinks that Jon is the one manipulating things here. A good parental alienator is skilled at flipping the script and Kate has done it again.

Sad but true said...

Wow!

http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/jon-gosselin-mom-141679

It looks like Jon is well and truly f***ed in this particular court. And what a piece of shit K8 is.

Layla said...

Admin
Did the judge restrict Hannah from her dad? I didn't see anything about it online.

Confused said...

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 150
And I find it rather incredible that the judge thinks that Jon is the one manipulating things here.
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Has there been news about a judgment regarding custody?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Kate is cunning. I've always said so. It sounds like she's wised up and realized two can play the parental alienation game and is now accusing John of the same. That puts the judge in an awful position of who to believe. He picked a side. The absurd one, but he had to make the call. It will backfire. Hannah and possibly some of these other kids are going to rebel and hard. Katie may have won the battle but I would worry about the war. All of these kids are at an age where you can't tell them what to do.

Susan1956 said...

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 156
The judge restricting Hannah even more from Jon is going to make her worse, not better. This is Probably going to get the point of some of the kids are just going to go to Jon court order be damned. Is that what the judge wants?
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Maybe the judge would find it easier to order a change in custody if more if the kids besides Hannah are openly rebelling? It should be based on what they tell the GAL and other factors but maybe other kids rebelling would be irrefutable evidence in his eyes. Just speculation.

Dmasy said...

I don't know the credibility of InTouch magazine. I can only hope that story is NOT accurate.

Should it be true, Jon has the task of Sisyphus. And, little help from the courts.

I am shaking my head and feeling very sad for all those children.

Confused said...

For anyone else who was confused, I found this thru another blog:

http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/jon-gosselin-mom-141679

"On Aug. 15, a custody exchange between Jon and Kate Gosselin of their 13-year-old daughter, Hannah, grew so contentious that police were called and Hannah ended up being taken to a hospital via ambulance. Now Jon’s mother, who was an eyewitness, is speaking out to In Touch exclusively as the situation grows worse and worse.

On Aug. 17, “the judge took away Jon’s 50/50 custody of Hannah and claimed he had manipulated her so she would not want to visit with her mother,” according to a source. “The judge also separated Hannah and Jon for 30 days.” Jon’s visitation with the other kids has also been cut down. He can no longer see the other children, adds the source, “except for a couple of hours on Sundays in a park.”

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

The judge is actually following the newest trends of parental alienation. You take custody away from the parental alienator and give it to the other parent. Only in this case Kate got him convinced Jon is the alienator. Excellent work by Kate. I hope she's proud of herself.

Sad but true said...

How despicable to insist that the others TURN ON the sibling who refuses to put up with her boot-camp parenting. I cannot believe the judge has ever seen any episodes if he could rule in this way. what does he know about the Collin situation? And what the hell happened to Hannah's GAL? Was s/he also taken in by K8 the Fake?

The article alludes to TLC's lawyers still helping her out, but I find that hard to believe at this point. TLC's got lots of new shows, K8's has become decidedly mediocre, what do they have to gain 7 years after the divorce? Surely they realize that while K8 may be able to force the kids to film, she cannot dictate their behavior on camera. If they are involved again in this family's business, well, that's just ridiculous.

AuntieAnn said...

I'm inclined to believe there's factualness in the intouch story. Jon's mom has stayed in the background for the past 10 or so years. If she's speaking out, there must be some truth in what she's saying.

Now just wait five minutes and People aka Katie Coyne will be firing back with her version of the incident.

Layla said...

I don't know about the unnamed source in that article. It says that on August 17th Jon lost 50/50 custody and that Jon and Hannah were separated for 30 days. But a week later was the incident at the dentist's office. Hannah was allowed to choose which parent she wanted to go home with, and she chose Jon. If she was separated from her dad, why was she able to leave with him?

Anonymous said...

That makes no sense. If the judge changed the order on August 17th, how was Jon at the orthodontist office with Hannah a week later?????

Crispy Bacon

Jamesvader1194 said...

@Admin Im starting to believe one of the haters when they say Kate has to be blowing that judge.How on earth can that judge claim Jon is the parent alienator when there have been plenty of times Kate has had the kids when it was Jon's time?But as soon as Hannah wants to be with Jon suddenly hes the alienator?SMH

Formerly Duped said...

I hope this is not true...but at least Jon's mother apparently is in contact with the kids.I understood she was wealthy? I'm sure she is helping with expenses. What a nasty turn of events.

Tucker's Mom said...

Is it possible that the judge isn't so much believing that Jon is a parental alienator as he is teaching Hannah a "lesson"?.
Maybe he's trying to break her of resisting going back to Kate.

This is just so effed up.

Something's going to come to a head...

GollyGee said...

I could just scream.

This is so unjust, so horrible, so wrong!

Now it is getting too obvious who is biased in the court room. That judge is too pro FW. I feel so bad for Jon and the kids. It must of crushed him when he heard that they have to say, I will not go see Jon and banned Hannah for 30 days from him.

Ran across this. TFW fits this perfect.

https://www.innocentdads.org/

Lanc Native said...

Now just wait five minutes and People aka Katie Coyne will be firing back with her version of the incident.

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If she can get out of Kate's bedroom long enough to do so.

"@Admin Im starting to believe one of the haters when they say Kate has to be blowing that judge.

))))))))))))))


I hope this is snark and you're not serious.

Lanc Native said...

Maybe the judge would find it easier to order a change in custody if more if the kids besides Hannah are openly rebelling? It should be based on what they tell the GAL and other factors but maybe other kids rebelling would be irrefutable evidence in his eyes. Just speculation.

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How could they do that and why would they do it? I would imagine that by now they know that she can make life hell on earth if they did rebel. They have lived with her long enough,and know that she is capable of making their lives miserable for them.

Lanc Native said...

Admin, who would be the one to order a psych evaluation on Kate? How is that usually done?

Susan1956 said...

Lanc Native said... 174

Maybe the judge would find it easier to order a change in custody if more if the kids besides Hannah are openly rebelling? It should be based on what they tell the GAL and other factors but maybe other kids rebelling would be irrefutable evidence in his eyes. Just speculation.

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How could they do that and why would they do it? I would imagine that by now they know that she can make life hell on earth if they did rebel. They have lived with her long enough,and know that she is capable of making their lives miserable for them.
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Well, Hannah's is/was still hanging in there despite Kate's treatment of her. If another child or two is able to tell the GAL what he/she wants, maybe that would help.

Tucker's Mom said...

"@Admin Im starting to believe one of the haters when they say Kate has to be blowing that judge.

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I hope this is snark and you're not serious.
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I'm sure it was just a joke, as we've joked for a long time here about the inconceivable nature of this judge's decisions.
A 'quid pro quo' scenario makes more sense, sadly.
Although, I realize that' not true.
I think it's just the sucky nature of the system that continues to fail these childern.

Tucker's Mom said...

Does anyone else think this Kate "insider" information is b.s.?

Formerly Duped said...

I'm sure the kids, especially Leah, speak to Hannah when Mommy is 'in bed." still, that's really rotten to try to sow discord among the children and renounce Jon as their father. Horrible.

Tucker's Mom said...

WTF???? She is RUINING HER KIDS' LIVES because of a freaking TV show! If only Jon's Mom could have reminded everyone of Jon and Kate saying that they would stop filming when the kids didn't want to any more. That time has now come, but rather than sticking to her word and respecting her kids' wishes, she's seeking revenge on them and will probably continue to do so until they're old enough to get the hell out of that house.
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Kate would have had to mean it about not filming if anyone objected in order to keep her word that she would stop filming if that was the case.
It was never true.
Kate lies for expediency.

Tucker's Mom said...

The allegations of chanting to inculcate the children and claims of shunning should trigger an investigation.

Tucker's Mom said...

eta: Not only should these clams trigger an investigation, but no longer should any judge or professional regard Kate's narrative as the truth.
The kids need to be interviewed separately, and not in their home.

Tucker's Mom said...

The story of shunning resonates eerily with the claims that Collin was put in a bedroom by himself.
You can't make the kids shun one of their own if they're sharing 3 to a bedroom.

Anonymous said...

If it's true that she encourages the others to shun Hannah, and I believe she is capable of doing so, it's entirely possible she used the same tactic with Collin. And that breaks my heart for both of them. Despicable woman!!!

bm

GollyGee said...

We have always thought it was Lord of the Flies in that house.

This new information can't hold a candle to it.

Tucker's, you are right. It is coming to a head.

It will be here before you know it.

GollyGee said...

TLC needs to take down the Kate Plus My 8 Facebook page!

It is disgusting to see that happy picture of her avatar and it looks like she is running it with "her posts" and "her comments".

Jamesvader1194 said...

Lanc Native I was only snarking.I don't believe that for a minute.But its clear that either this judge has a complete bias for Kate or there has to be something we don't know.I don't see how Kate could convince whoever this judge is that Jon is the alienator but not Kate.Unless TLC is still there for Kate which at this point i would be shocked considering she isn't on their eye in regards to the show because she wouldn't have gotten just 3 episodes.

Layla said...

Crispy Bacon and Tucker's Mom,
This "source" has to be full of it. If there was an order from Aug 17 saying that Jon couldn't see Hannah for 30 days, then he wouldn't have been able to take Hannah on the 24th from the ortho office.

I can definitely see Kate having the kids chant "We will not visit Jon" in unison, just like she makes them chant the order in which they are supposed to eat their lunch. It must drive her nuts that she cannot banish him from their lives. She's done it to everyone else but she can't do it to him.

NJGal51 said...

The "inside source" in this may just be damage control by TFW. As someone mentioned above, if Jon's 50/50 custody was revoked how was he able to be with Hannah a week later. However, that may be why TFW was causing a scene. I just hope that when this goes to court that Jon gets a fair shake. I would also hope that the kids are interviewed without TFW around and in a neutral place and that they feel safe enough to speak freely.

Former Lurker said...

From the In Touch article:

On Aug. 17, “the judge took away Jon’s 50/50 custody of Hannah and claimed he had manipulated her so she would not want to visit with her mother,” according to a source. “The judge also separated Hannah and Jon for 30 days.” Jon’s visitation with the other kids has also been cut down. He can no longer see the other children, adds the source, “except for a couple of hours on Sundays in a park.”

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I don't believe these statements from "a source". As others have pointed out, the timeline doesn't add up.

Also, why include those anonymous statements in the article but not have a quote from Jon's mother addressing the alleged changes to the custody arrangement? I notice that In Touch says:

"Jon’s mom desperately hopes he’ll get his kids back someday — and that the entire family will get the help they need."

That's In Touch talking, not Jon's mother. They then immediately follow that up with a quote from his mother about psych evaluations. Well, isn't it strange that they didn't ask her about this new custody order and get a quote from her on that issue?

I'm not buying it. It reeks of B.S.

Tucker's Mom said...

Anonymous said... 185
If it's true that she encourages the others to shun Hannah, and I believe she is capable of doing so, it's entirely possible she used the same tactic with Collin. And that breaks my heart for both of them. Despicable woman!!!

bm

^^^^
It has a ring of truth to it.

AuntieAnn said...

Layla said...

I can definitely see Kate having the kids chant "We will not visit Jon" in unison, just like she makes them chant the order in which they are supposed to eat their lunch.

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Oh yes, so can I.

Imagine the rage that ensued after Hannah came back from the hospital afterward. I can easily picture Kate standing behind her kitchen counter/judge's bench, hammering her meat tenderizer/gavel and ordering the kids/inmates in her deep demonic voice (give me the waffles) to chant that they will not visit Jon. I fear for those children. I really fear for them.

Former Lurker said...

The comments on the Daily Mail article are overwhelmingly against TFW. Most people see her for the narcissistic, abusive "mother" that she is. This comment is good:

"If she was a loving mother she would encourage the kids to have a good relationship with their father, who desperately wants to have a good relationship with them. She wants full control of them - they are her sole source of income."

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That last sentence sums it up perfectly. One day very soon Hannah and some of the others will become aware of that and tell it to the judge.

Former Lurker said...

Milo posted a video of tree damage from the hurricane on Instagram two hours ago:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BY_2r49nWuN/?taken-by=miloandjack2016

miloandjack2016#HurricaneIrma
#Survivors
Not used to getting a hurricane this far north...tornadoes we know about and this was similar.
But difference was the constant unrelenting sideway winds! #Scary!

At one point we were all hunkered down in the master bathroom...
#MiloTheCat. #JackAndMissK
So now begins all the clean up. We were w/out power for about 30hrs...
When you live out in the boonies you are usually the LAST to get back on.

But we are all fine! #Prayers for folks across the country trying to get back on their feet from
#HurricanesHarveyAndIrma
#WildfiresOutWest

#FamilyIsEverything ❤
#LifeInTheSouth
#CountYourBlessings
#CountryLife
#PrayersForSurvivorsStillInNeed
#FaithInGodAlways

Sad but true said...

And it's deflection time again over there on K8's IG. #NookiePookie once again.

kateplusmy8 I have a funny feeling that this is the prelude to famous excuse 'the dog ate my homework.' 😉😂 #Nanuq #AlexisHasAHelper #SableKingShepherd

Whoever called it on her not understanding the meaning of "sable" got it dead right. She is clueless, as usual.

Former Lurker said...

Why does she do that? Nanuq is a cream colored King Shepherd.

Former Lurker said...

jamiepumpkin3 She is so pretty! I miss her! Give her a kiss for me.. and M and S too 🐶!And all kids.. I miss you all..

Layla said...

I'm sure InTouch contacted Kate about the story, and she may have planted the "source" information (notice they didn't say it was a source close to Kate--very vague). I believe they are both under a gag order and she knows Jon can't speak out to deny the claim. And it probably irritates her so much that Jon has people who will speak out for him. She has nobody. She banished them all.

Susan1956 said...

Sad but true said... 196

Over 2500 likes in an hour? Whose money is she using to buy the bots?

Sad but true said...

Good thing Milo got her electricity back. This post is not generating much attention.

miloandjack2016 Haha...#NaughtyNaughtyNuNu! 😋 Looks like she has all the answers! Has this pup mastered the art of #SmileForTheCamera? @kateplusmy8

miloandjack2016 Say @kateplusmy8. ..Have you seen the new LandRover car commercial? 2 White GS that look so much like #Nanuq! #BeautifulDogs. Can't you picture #Nanuq doing that? #CanineStar. 😋

Gayle said...

miloandjack2016 Say @kateplusmy8. ..Have you seen the new LandRover car commercial? 2 White GS that look so much like #Nanuq! #BeautifulDogs. Can't you picture #Nanuq doing that? #CanineStar. 😋

Is this Milo's way of telling Kate that Nanuq is not a "sable" coloured dog?

Confused said...

Looks like I called this one.
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Confused said... 193
Looks like I'm the only one who doesn't agree with what Jon did in this instance. IF it was Kate's week, being that Jon had had her for a week, I think he was in the wrong to encourage Hannah to fight. It exacerbated an already very volatile situation and I seriously doubt that the judge who granted the 50/50 temp custody would be pleased to hear that when it was Kate's turn, Jon encouraged Hannah not to go with her mother.

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That judge has always favored Kate for some reason. Why would that change? Of course, Jon hasn't always made the right decisions. Sad for all.

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