Saturday, May 27, 2017

Recap: Kate Plus 8 "Game Night": Mind-mouth! Mind-mouth!

Coming up on Kate Plus 8, in quite possibly one of the dumbest, and incredibly low-budget episode ideas ever, the family gathers around the mismatched cluttered living room for a game night. Only this Trivial Pursuit is all about their own family trivia, which is stupid and narcissistic. This is what the industry calls a bottle episode, an episode that takes place in just one or two locations (the store, and the living room) and usually only involves the main characters (Kate and the kids), usually to save money when the season has gone over-budget. In many cases, though, a bottle episode can be one of the best of the series (see Breaking Bad's "Fly," Dr. Quinn's "To Have and to Hold", which literally is set in a shack the whole time somewhere outside Colorado Springs, and Seinfeld's "The Chinese Restaurant," which takes place not even in the main dining room but entirely in the waiting area, LOL). That's usually because it gives a chance for characters to really develop and actors to play off each other and for writers to stretch themselves without the distraction of car chases, snazzy locations and other special effects in the plot. But here, as expected, it's just dumb.

Best portrayal of game night on film? The Break-up! Mind-mouth, mind-mouth, mind-mouth!



These days everything Kate does seems to warrant a fresh shopping spree at Michael's on the company card. Doesn't she have a closet or at least a bin full of art supplies they could raid for these very sort of events like normal mothers?

After all this time TLC still hasn't fixed their TLCgo player, such that every time you pause it, it starts over. Gaa! It's going to be another long night.

Kate had the idea to do family trivia and puts Mady in charge. Sure, Kate, you had the idea. Mady is always in charge, and it's not fair to the other kids. Mady is sipping a crafted iced drink from Starbucks. Those really add up, Kate. Last episode you were just complaining about not having hired help. One can easily spend a couple hundred dollars a month at Starbucks on drinks for them and their kids. That money might be just enough for a monthly housekeeper. It's the little things you spend your money on that make all the difference.

Mady has morphed into a poor man's Kardashian with that thick layer of doll-like makeup and wavy black hair. As per the usual, the kids are annoyed that Kate is trying to micromanage everything.

This is unnecessarily elaborate to the point where you're in danger of this not being fun, which I thought was the whole point. Now Kate and the twins have to go shopping to get team t-shirts? Cara wants grey t-shirts, which Kate vetoes. Why? There's nothing wrong with grey t-shirts. Talk about not picking your battles.

Kate goes on an equally elaborate explanation as to why the twins talk back to her all the time and are so gosh darn disrespectful. You see that's because Kate has made them feel "safe" to say whatever is on their minds. Haha, that's some fine spin there. I've never seen anything like this. My kids are brats because I have made a safe zone for them to be brats? Heh! What idiot parenting.

Hey, Kate, your kids are disrespectful because they are so disrespected by you, and also, because you don't dare ever put your foot down that the way they speak to you is not appropriate. Honest is not the same thing as being mean. It's not cute, it's not free-thinking, it's certainly not funny in the slightest, and you are setting them up for absolute failure in so many aspects of adulthood I don't know where to begin.

Next they head to what is obviously Target to buy sheets and curtains to make the living room look like a game show set. Huh? Why can't they use what they already have around the house? There's nine people in the house, they should have bedsheets galore. What a waste of money.

After a whole lot of bickering back and forth they finally check out with their cart absolutely brimming with sheets and other junk, to which Kate mutters, "That's an expensive game show," as she swipes the company card. Still way cheaper than another dumb vacation, says the bottom line for this episode. I think it's funny that they won't tell you this is Target, because Target's clunky shopping carts and red decor everywhere are so distinctive you'd have to be really dense not to know where they are.

Just in the episode before this Mady was lamenting how mean the younger kids are, but in this episode, Mady is snapping at everyone and overall being a very unpleasant pill. Kate remarks that she sees a lot of herself in her. I agree, especially the way Mady favors the girls. They at least got to cut some colorful paper, while Aaden was ordered to sit still as a soldier in his chair and don't touch anything. Poor guy, he just takes it. I doubt Kate knew what clip they were going to use when Kate said she sees a lot of herself in Mady, which is funny, because they picked the meanest, bossiest clip ever to match up with Kate's statement. Heh.

Collin makes a sudden appearance. I think we had all speculated this was filmed out of order based on the snow on the ground and no puppies, but deceptively, they don't explain that, leading the dumber fans to believe he's back. As usual, Colin looks fine to me. If anything, he's one of the best behaved of the bunch. He obediently helps decorate his team t-shirt, is quiet and well behaved, and with a huge smile on his face, helps to hit the marker and announces the next segment. It's just so incredibly hard to picture a child with this much ability and self-control, having to be institutionalized.

For some reason TLCgo is pushing endless ads for Oregon tourism, which is odd for a show that takes place in Pennsylvania. Why not put these ads on Little People? They live outside Portland. In any case, Oregon really is an awesome place. I recommend Yachats, if you ever get out there.

The game finally starts. It's sort of a cross between Family Feud and Trivial Pursuit. Hey, did anyone see Saturday Night Live's recent Family Feud skit starring Liza Minelli? "You know, it always feels like someone just freed you from a bubble!" Inspired. Also, I love that they're not afraid to take risks, like going full on Liza Minelli skit with the full knowledge that the bulk of their millennial audience might not even know who she is. I could watch SNL game show parodies all day as opposed to this drivel.



The constant power struggle between Kate and Mady gets exhausting at least for this viewer, and you can tell it wears on all the kids. Kate said Mady could be in charge of Game Night, so let her be. Stop trying to micromanage her! It's a stupid game night, what does it matter? Save it for the important things. "Strike one!" Mady snaps, when Kate tries to name the game. Hm, what happens on strike three? Does Kate leave the show? Pretty please! I guess this is the kind of rude talking back that Kate calls Mady feeling "safe." Heh. Hey, does it feel like Kate's explanation of why the twins talk back, because they feel "safe", could easily be something said in an SNL parody of helicopter 2017 mothers? Lol!



The intern kind of ripped off the Price is Right theme song to compose his own little ditty for the game show. Good one.

Already the rules of this game are annoying and being made up as Mady goes along. Who gets to spin the wheel? And what happens if they both ring in at the same time? And once they're allowed to go consult with their team about the answer, then who gets to go first? Mady wings all of this, and already she's changing up the rules. Aaden is not allowed to answer first because he knocked his bell off (Why not tape the bells down with some gaffer tape? Production is sure to have some.). But Joel knocked his bell off on the first go around, as one of the girls pointed out, so how come he got to answer first last round? Stupid. You're better off getting out Pictionary, reading the rules until you understand them, and going for it. You'll have a great time, I promise.

Great, is every question going to prompt an old boring clip of something? I can't even!

At the end of the day these kids genuinely don't like playing with Kate, I believe them when they say that. Her extreme competitiveness is obnoxious, they explain. Of course it is.

Just as we all said years ago, Alexis reveals that the vast majority of these questions she has no clue about because she doesn't remember the vast majority of the things they have filmed. Mind-mouth it, Alexis! Of course she doesn't remember this shit, she was four.

Mady is favoring Cara's team, laments Kate. Shut up, Kate. Shut up, shut up, shut uppppp!

Speaking of four years old, Alexis sulks like a four-year-old after she forgets to ring the bell when she knew the answer, and Leah wins that question because she remembered to ring. Instead of Kate pulling Alexis aside and telling her to grow up, Kate assures her they are still going to win so don't worry about it.

But, what if they don't win? (Spoiler alert: they don't win) And even if they do win, that doesn't mean you shouldn't sulk because you are going to win anyway. You shouldn't sulk because it's childish and stupid. Good grief.

There's still a good 20 minutes left in this episode not even including ads, are they going to do this boring trivia the whole time? (Spoiler alert: yes) On a positive note, Collin looks happy. He's paying attention, participating, and giggling. It's kind of heartbreaking to think he's about to be sent off to an institution.

Kate's philosophy on parenting which she has said before is that she wants kids to know not everyone wins. That's all well and good, but how about teaching kids that not everything is a competition and that some things you should just let go and not worry about, one of them being a family game. Equally valuable to teach children, I propose, is, it's not worth it. Also, you don't need to "teach" kids note everyone wins. Even if you did everything you could to let them win everything, they would still encounter many times where they would lose at school or at a friend's house. They'll learn. Not everything a child learns about life needs to be micromanaged with such purpose by their parents. Let it be once in awhile.

I swear these kids have been programmed to react "it's not fair!" to everything. Alexis goes into a long explanation about how this is not fair because she can't remember any of these past events. Well, number one, her mother says they all watch the episodes all the time, so if Alexis would watch the episodes, she would know as much as anyone who was actually old enough to remember. And number two, the teams actually are fair, Alexis. Each team has three younger children on them, and one older person. Kate on Alexis's team and Cara on the other. Therefore, each team has one person who can remember that far back. Since everyone else has access to the library of episodes and could have watched them, it actually is fair. Arguably, Alexis's team has a slight advantage, because they have Kate, and these episodes go so far back even Cara is a little young to remember them all. The thing with saying something is not fair is that sometimes, it's totally warranted. But you better make sure it actually is unfair before you pull that card. Otherwise, you're just whining.

Alexis is getting herself so worked up she looks a thread away from bursting into tears. Just mind-mouth it, Alexis! Kate again reassures her they're going to win. Oh for Pete sake! At this point even that comment is trite. Even if they do, Alexis is going to feel like yeah they won but it's no thanks to me. Sheesh. That being said, some people just aren't good at trivia, at remembering random useless facts. I'm not the biggest trivia person myself. I remember big picture things more than nuances, and I forget dates and names easily even if I could tell you everything else about what happened. Eventually I'm usually able to recall most things, but I'm not able to do so under the pressure of two or three seconds to draw the information up. So, for someone that just doesn't have a knack for trivia, playing trivia games just isn't fun, I can attest. Still, in life you will now and again end up playing games you don't like. You just have to deal with it and get through it, it'll be over soon. Why doesn't Kate reassure Alexis that not everyone is good at trivia and it's okay, that there are many other things Lex excels at?

Cupcake gate was okay because the kids now laugh about it, explains Kate. Nope, the fact that you laugh later at something does not make it okay in that moment, Kate. For example, Life is Beautiful is a film about an Italian-Jewish prisoner who makes other concentration camp prisoners smile despite their absurd situation. It doesn't make the gas chambers, or shall I say holocaust centers, okay. It's just a way to cope. Does it occur to her the only way the kids can compartmentalize a very upsetting moment in their childhood is to just laugh? Strike two, say I! The kids laugh about cupcake-gate daily, claims Kate. Well, that sounds healthy.

Not the Hannah pooped thing again, let this poor child be!

Because Kate is nuts, she then proceeds to go on some random spiel about how this wasn't about winning. But she just spent the first half of this episode reassuring Lex that they would win, and, she wrote on her team shirt "Who's your winner!" so WTF! She's certifiable.

Clearly the producers put together all these questions, they are starting to get really specific and elaborate, one even has a photo they are to identify (of the turtle hatching).

Mady snaps at Kate that Kate doesn't get to call it when they can go back to their team and discuss the answer. Only Mady can call discussions. I think that's strike three!

Who said, This is awkward? Mady asks. I'm surprised I didn't remember who said that until they show the clip of Kate's staged date with Vann where as soon as she meets the poor guy, she blurts out what she is thinking, "this is awkward." Ohhh, yeah! Lol! Dating tip number one, it will be awkward on the first date, but for God sake, don't say it's awkward! 

A very bizarre fight erupts, spearheaded by Leah, who says it's unfair to ask about that episode, which aired in January 2016, because they haven't seen it. I thought they all gather around the boob tube together, holding hands and singing about harmony, to watch these episodes as they air, as Kate paints the picture. Then, even more oddly, Leah blurts out several times that Kate won't let them watch. I'm confused, won't let them watch any episodes, or just the date episode? Kate denies this, saying it's on the TV, go watch it. But why would Leah say that if it had no basis in fact? Really weird exchange there with little explanation of the backstory, leaving my rather curious what that's all about. Did Kate at some point not want them to watch the dating episode, and if so, why not? Was it because the kids know how fake it was? This almost deserves a Reddit conspiracy thread.

I'm struck by the sharp contrast between Kate's contrived relationship with Vann, and Little People, Big World, where both Amy and Matt are in real relationships with new people now. I'm not sure I know how to feel about Amy's boyfriend Chris. Something about me thinks something is off there. And the kids seem a little wary too, which is important to note since they would know. He claims he's happy to be with her, but when after six months she very gently tries to press him on demonstrating a little commitment, he won't agree to anything. Does he even call her his girlfriend, because I haven't heard him say so. He's in his 50's, what is he waiting for at this point? But, I am genuinely convinced it's a real relationship, organic, would happen cameras or not. I just think Amy is going to end up terribly hurt by that guy when he decides on a whim, eh, I'm gonna move on now. In any case, because it's so real, it makes for much better T.V. than Kate's stupid blind date.

Cara's team starts to pull away, and Kate's team starts to get bored because it actually is all about winning for everyone in this room.

Kate dresses up as a clown with a pink wig and passes out popcorn like she did for one of their early birthdays. The kids find her mortifying. Kate thinks she's hilarious.

Once in awhile they show a clip that's not mind-numbingly boring, but rather interesting, this one because of its foreshadowing. In this one they show Kate engaging in a battle of wills with 5-year-old Mady, insisting that Kate must hold her hand on a decidedly not busy New York City sidewalk. Mady is not two, she is five, and perfectly capable of walking alongside her parents without having to hold their hand like a baby. But Kate insists. And what's worse, argues the point with the poor kid, giving her false hope this is a negotiation. It's that kind of repeated, tenacious refusal to give up any control over your child, that breeds a teen like Mady ten years later. Mady woke up one day, probably at age about 13 or 14, and realized she could actually be in control from now on, and it's been misery ever since.

Kate, who says she doesn't care if they win, is sulking and going on about how some question and answer was unfair. I'm too bored to try to figure out why she said that. "That's wrong!" Kate, who doesn't care about winning, gleefully shouts out when the other team misses a question. "I really wanted to win," says Kate. But she just said she didn't care! Brother, she is such a nut job.

Kate announces the prizes toward the end of the game. The winning team picks the takeout and the losers clean up. Sounds like she made that up on the fly. I know that's not that big of a deal as prizes go, but something about that feels very dysfunctional, and I think it breeds unhealthy competition, and bitterness. Why can't they just finish the game and that's it, without this unhealthy focus on winners and losers? How about decide take-out on a majority vote, or rotate who chooses the takeout fairly each time?

More dumb questions and bickering. The only thing interesting that happens is somebody says Kate thinks she's funny, but she's not. Pretty much!

Collin, who apparently has such special needs that he needs to be institutionalized, is the only one to correctly identify and name the liberty bell, in Philadelphia. He gets both the landmark and the city. Whatever, Kate. Where is he?

Cara's team wins, and Cara calls the other team "losers." Sigh.

Of note, this recap took me several weeks to finish because I broke up the chore as I had time to do it. At the beginning of the writing, the TLCgo app was doing its usual crap. But I think the interns may have tweaked the code, because today, it's running much better. It doesn't restart all over when I pause it, and the commercials don't pop up every time I try to move the slider. Thank you, interns! Finally!

It was so much more fun than she thought it could be, remarks Kate. She's said something like that before, and I find that kind of comment odd and kind of mean. Why wouldn't being with your family and talking about the fun things you've done together be just great? Why would it surprise you to have such fun with your family? Weird!

Kate, you're the only loser here.

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NJGal51 said...

Nicky said... 196

Ugh - the politics. No one is going to convince the other, so can it just be done? I really don't mind the discussions on social issues, etc, but when it dissolves into left vs. right, frankly it's boring.
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Agree.

Tucker's Mom said...

I do however think that more racists are displaying their racism a lot more because of Trump. I think they feel empowered having Trump as President.
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Social media has given everyone a megaphone and platform, and "viral" postings make it seem more prevalent than it is, imo.

RE: People magazine- Kate did mention a #photoshoot recently and I won't be surprised if she gets a People cover when her show is due to air again.
I am very much looking forward to her next foray into the Press and media. I think pressing on with filming and #goodtimes!!!! with Collin gone for over a year is going to go over like a lead balloon.

There's not enough lipstick for that pig, and just floating trite quips about a 13-year old boy who's been institutionalized for so long, like "plodding" and "plugging along", is going to sound ridiculous.

Sad but true said...

Milo has finally resurfaced on her IG, posting an extremely blurry photo of her daughter graduating from high school. Not overly sentimental, and no rhyming! Why does she always save her best work for K8, lol?

Jamesvader1194 said...

@Tucker's Mom I looked on twitter to see if there was any sighting of Kate recently and im not getting anything except for this one lady claiming to ask Kate if she needed help at target.So far we know of 1 trip maybe 2.We could add the plant that could be an episode although i don't see why TLC would make an episode around growing plant but who knows.I guess we'll get more info on filming when summer starts.

Sad but true said...

Tucker's Mom said... 3

When did she mention a photoshoot? I'm totally blanking on that one.

It looks like no TLC block party will be happening this year. Not surprising given how poor the attendance was at the two that were held.

GollyGee said...

Bet there's some scrambling over at People today. Wonder if this was Kate Coyne's idea.

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Oh, I hope so! With sugar on top!!!

Terri said...

I was thinking about poor little Collin's chickens being gone. It's disgusting to me that with 7 other kids in that house that Kate didn't do everything in her power to have all chip in and help tend to the chickens so they would be there for Collin when he comes home. To me that's what a truly loving mother would do. Then again, a truly loving mother would have never sent him away in the first place.

Former Lurker said...

Sad but true said... 4
Milo has finally resurfaced on her IG, posting an extremely blurry photo of her daughter graduating from high school. Not overly sentimental, and no rhyming! Why does she always save her best work for K8, lol?

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It's a very blurry video of her daughter receiving her diploma. Deliberately blurry, we can assume since the name of the high school is there.

Look who just commented and received a cryptic reply from Milo (her usual "I know something you don't know..."):

jamiepumpkin3Congrats!

miloandjack2016@jamiepumpkin3 YAY! You know what that is for!! ��


Former Lurker said...

Here's the link:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BUxhX-IDaXG/

Layla said...

I spent a nice, long weekend with friends and family, and one of our activities was an outdoor concert of sorts. I watched a bit of the set-up, and it was a lot of work. Setting up the stage/platform, instruments, seating, sound check, etc, etc. It reminded me of Kate and her request for Kenny Loggins to perform a private concert on her lawn. She expected him to interrupt his touring schedule, get the necessary permits to set up and perform there, haul himself, his band, the crew, the props and set and instruments all to her house, set it up, and perform (without pay, for sure)--all because she didn't want to deal with the logistics of taking her kids 45 minutes to Lancaster to see him perform. She really thinks she's something special doesn't she? I can't imagine anyone else ever even thinking of making such a request. Arrogance, thy name is Kate.

Unreal said...

Terri said... 8
I was thinking about poor little Collin's chickens being gone. It's disgusting to me that with 7 other kids in that house that Kate didn't do everything in her power to have all chip in and help tend to the chickens so they would be there for Collin when he comes home. To me that's what a truly loving mother would do. Then again, a truly loving mother would have never sent him away in the first place
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Sometimes being truly loving means making an incredibly difficult decision that is in the best interest of the child. To state that a truly loving mother would never send their child away is incredibly offensive.

CC said...

Sometimes being truly loving means making an incredibly difficult decision that is in the best interest of the child. To state that a truly loving mother would never send their child away is incredibly offensive.
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We are talking about Kate Gosselin here. There is nothing truly loving about her. At all.

CC said...

If the decision was difficult for Kate it was because it was not in her best interest. It would either affect filming or her image. There is no way she cared what is best for Collin.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Terri (#8), and wouldn't it have been nice to keep the chickens just to have some sort of normalcy for the kids? With their beloved brother gone, it might have offered some comfort for them to have more stability in the home environment.
Instead, TFW brought in 2 new puppies, who became the focus of attention.

Layla said...

Unreal (12)
Want to know what I find truly offensive? A mother who would splash the news of her son's personal issues and his removal from the family on the front cover (with the whole family photographed grinning like goons and frolicking merrily in the accompanying pics)of a magazine and collecting a paycheck for it. I find it incredibly offensive that the same mother would film that child's birthday party (with him conspicuously absent), collect a paycheck for it, and proclaim it the "best birthday party ever". You may think she made an incredibly difficult decision, but that's hard to believe when she acts like she's deliriously happy to have him gone.

Formerly Duped said...

Sometimes a child has to be placed for his or her health or the family dynamics ( eg have you read A Child Called Noah and the impact of his condition on his brother despite years of parents trying everything to help this boy?) No one said 'a child' We are talking about Collin only.

Layla said...

Formerly Duped (17)
I agree, sometimes a child does need to be placed outside the home for the good of the child/family. What is truly bizarre to me is the thought that Collin's condition was so severe that it required his placement in an institution of some sort. Kate knew how much he was struggling. And yet she still forced him to work what she calls "more than a full-time job". What kind of parent does that? Kate is the one who signs contracts for the kids to work. Kate is the one who said this job is more than full time. And Kate is the one who, ultimately, is responsible for making decisions in the best interests of her child. But she chose to force him to work a grueling schedule when he was struggling severely. Nobody can convince me that she ever had his best interests in mind. Enforced labor is never in the best interests of a child in C's condition. And yet she still forced him to work to support her.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Layla (#18), what a great comment.

Maya Angelou said, "When people show you who they are, believe them." Over more than a decade, TFW has shown us the type of mother she is. And however innocently, C has shown us the type of son he is. Of course we don't know the details of his issues, nor TFW's efforts on his behalf. But you better believe we
have enough information to make
some educated guesses about the situation.

Tucker's Mom said...

Of course many if not most parents who institutionalize their child do it because it needs to happen and they've tried everything they possibly could.
I just don't think that is Kate Gosselin and her behavior on camera and social media has been unfeeling, cold, indifferent and even downright cold hearted since Collin left over a year ago.
This particular mother seems relieved, unphased and even exuberant since her son was sent out of the home.

I think Kate will not be on the right side of history when years from now, the real story gets told.

NJGal51 said...

Well TFW has a video up of #NookiePookie playing ball with her. The kids are apparently studying for finals. It's 9:00 (Eastern) and there are just about 3K views, 12 comments and 715 likes. How long will it bee before the bots kick in and her views go up by the thousands. Of special note is the fact that the flags are not lining the driveway. Isn't that an annual Memorial Day tradition? I guess they didn't film so there were no peons around to put the flags out. Maybe she'll get them out for the 4th.

Warmth Of The Sun said...

Sad but true said... 4
Milo has finally resurfaced on her IG, posting an extremely blurry photo of her daughter graduating from high school.Wh does she save her best work for K8, lol?

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Do you have a link to that IG account, please, and thank you!

Just Missy said...

Is that a no bark collar on Nookie or an invisible fence collar?

Sad but true said...

Warmth of the Sun, here's the link:

https://www.instagram.com/miloandjack2016/

I just looked at the latest #Nookie post. Looks like the landscapers were just there, and they seem to have done a bang-up job. That has to have cost a pretty penny. Can filming be far behind? She just disgusts me.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Milo has finally resurfaced on her IG, posting an extremely blurry photo of her daughter graduating from high school.Wh does she save her best work for K8, lol?

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Milo was complaining she posts and posts and doesn't get much response.

It's really simple to get more attention on Instagram. It's not follow and comment on others' posts. It's not to whine for it. It's not to post provocative photos or captions.

It's to post BETTER photos. Not blurry. Good light and vibrant colors. Interesting. You'll have followers and likes in not time, if that's what you want out of life.

Unknown said...

Regarding that stupid IG of her kicking the ball for her dog. What a dolt. What is wrong with her???? She is clearly showing she has no control or command of that dog. Why the f**k would anyone care about that little bit of video that she showed? It sucks. Boring. I don't give a flying f**k if nookiepookie wants to chase a deflated f**cked up ball that the lazy ass kicks for her when she should be working and not trying to find ways to kill the hours during the day. WHO CARES??????? Kate: your dog is NOT special. She does nothing out of the ordinary and why you would think anyone would marvel at her antics is beyond comprehension. #dolt.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I still don't believe Milo has kids. I think she's close enough to them to attend a lot of events. Like their aunt or great aunt. I think she rips photos and things from a close relative's FB and has separate social media profiles for her fan life and personal life. She sounds ANCIENT in the video she posted. Voice all deep and crackly.

Sad but true said...

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 24

Milo's only looking for ONE follower on her social media. I'll give you one guess. :)

She's over on K8's IG tonight answering a woman who's posted a number of times on K8's Twitter and IG about the travails of her disabled son. I know she's doing it so that the woman doesn't feel ignored by K8. But I'm sure it pisses K8 off no end, because it makes her look like exactly what she is: a cold and ungrateful bitch who doesn't have 30 seconds to say, I see you and I'm so sorry for your pain. Nope, plenty of time to make cutesy little videos to market #Nookie and the family, but NO time for real interaction with the people she likes to call fans whenever her shit-show airs. And this is why she will continue to sink like a stone. I can't wait until she's cancelled in perpetuity.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

"viral" postings make it seem more prevalent than it is, imo.

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We talk about this a lot. It's very interesting. The internet, especially the social media, the interactive component, is the best and worst thing that has happened.

The internet can make a problem seem bigger than it is. The internet can also dupe you into thinking more people agree, or disagree, with you than really do. It may SEEM like a lot of people think the sky is green with blue polka dots, but it's really only 200 Facebook likes out of all the people in the world. But people get tricked into thinking it's normal then to think that. People reenforce each other and encourage each other until it's true. We see this even with Kate's fans, who are just a small group on the internet, but they reenforce each other such that they can't see anything else. If they were left on their own without the ability to interact, they likely wouldn't become so swept up. The internet has changed how terrorists operate and has made it very easy for people who are thinking about becoming a terrorist to have easy access to "how-to" on the net.

I happen to think we live in a very interesting time right now. Sociology books will be written.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Unknown (#25), your post cracked me up! The only thing missing was Charlie Brown's exclamation of frustration: AAUGH!

Must be nice to be a single mother of 7 with no steady job and have the time to frolic outdoors on a weeknight. Now I suppose she'll spend the rest of her night counting likes and reading fawning comments.
It's the hard-knock life.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Sometimes being truly loving means making an incredibly difficult decision that is in the best interest of the child. To state that a truly loving mother would never send their child away is incredibly offensive.


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There are rare circumstances when it is best for the child and the parent has truly done nothing wrong, but they are rare.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Kate might have been given a teeny tiny benefit of the doubt had she kept Collin's issues private, and pulled the show until they were resolved.

But as others have pointed out, she splashed this all over People, and continued on with the show without him. She proved that even her stupid show and piggy bank is more important than Collin. She exploited his issues. She lost any leeway once she pulled that stunt.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


WTF? Of course you didn't see it...it's outside your bubble.

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Yes, it is. I don't hang out with, speak to, or associate with racists. Of course it's so rare I've ever witnessed a whiff of any racism at all, this is not hard to avoid--even though I spend all day long with minorities and have lived for ten years in a predominantly minority community, like 90%. Is your community predominantly white? Like most, it probably is. I welcome you to have the experience of being the minority among minorities for ten years. I am blessed. If that makes me living in a bubble, so be it, but I see no benefit to associate with fringe psychos. Or is that part of the far left wing open border policy that I need to coexist side by side with everybody including those people? No thanks, opting out here.

OHHHH so there was racism before....silly me I thought I was being told racism suddenly cropped up out of nowhere as soon as somebody with some bad yellow hair showed up. Pick a story please and stick with it, I'm getting nauseous!

You found a handful of examples of a few bigots. I can find a handful of examples of ANYTHING including trolls here. None were mainstream, most appear to be just from somebody's back yard or some t-shirt somebody put on (lol) and none made much news, and all you had to really search for. The news didn't dignify it with coverage. Naturally, they don't have the same good judgement these days and report every last little offensive thing when they ignored it all before. Yawn, typical.

Also, I love that it doesn't occur to you that many could have been plants from the other side to insight outrage and get people galvanized to support him. Happens all the time. At the risk of being blasted, The National Review has kept a very good list of all the planted hate crimes people tried to blame on the right, vetting them one by one and exposing many as outright plants from the left.

As for the ones you found, a couple are clearly photoshopped, so those for sure are some of the fake ones conjured up by supporters. I'm surprised that duped you so easily, as you seem pretty discerning. In any case, he seems to have survived the couple psychos just fine. I heard he spent the past several weeks at The Brando, which I guess is where you go to identify with the average American. I'd say he showed them--he made it to the most prestigious job in the world and is filthy rich. He WON, stop thing already. Doesn't sound like some dumb racist t-shirt had the slightest effect so joke's on them.

The best advice I heard about dealing with a racist is NEVER TALK TO THEM AGAIN. Don't even dignify them by wasting a breath. The media used to do that, not anymore, for some odd reason (being facetious).

RoxyHelen said...

CC said... 13

Sometimes being truly loving means making an incredibly difficult decision that is in the best interest of the child. To state that a truly loving mother would never send their child away is incredibly offensive.
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We are talking about Kate Gosselin here. There is nothing truly loving about her. At all.

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We are talking about the mother who took her kids deep sea fishing and when it was obvious plenty of them were extremely sea sick, refused to turn the boat around because a) she was having fun(how do you have fun when your kid is sick??) and b) they were filming. More than that, when her little boy puked his guts out on the same trip, while lying on his back, risking choking or aspiration(because Kate was having fun, why check to see that all the kids were safe), Kate not only passed the boy to a crew member but was desperate for the camera to get the footage of her covered in vomit sick little boy. I quote "Are you filming this??". That is not what I call a loving parent. It's only one example of hundreds caught on camera alone. I will not be shamed for thinking Kate didn't have Collin's best interest at heart, sorry.

RoxyHelen said...

Hit publish too soon.

That episode is called A rough ride. I invite whoever criticized us to go watch it. Go see those 6 year olds crying that their tummies hurt and begging their mother to return to shore. Go watch their mother tell them "we can't go back" then come back and tell us we're the heartless ones.

Anonymous said...

Not only did she exploit Collin's 'issues' she made it all about how "she" struggled by herself for a long time. How about Collin and what a struggle it must have been for him as a child having to deal with what she signed him and his siblings on for?

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FlimsyFlamsy said...

RoxyHelen (#35), I think "A Rough Ride" would be a great title for one of the kids' autobiographies about all the "chaotic fun" they endured, um, I mean, enjoyed, as kids on TV.

GollyGee said...

Must be nice to be a single mother of 7 with no steady job and have the time to frolic outdoors on a weeknight. Now I suppose she'll spend the rest of her night counting likes and reading fawning comments.
It's the hard-knock life.

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She will never, ever give that Red Dress to the next new fun family with a household of multiples without a knockdown, drag out fight. It is her life.

GollyGee said...

The captain of the boat made it worse for the kids. He failed those kids miserably because of his greed. When the kids were as sick as they were he should of turned the boat back.

When TFW barked about it, he should of told her that you can catch a fish closer in when these kids get back. I hope he enjoyed his extra money for running up the bill.

He told her that to catch a fish you had to go out 20 to 25 miles. Those kids had no life jackets on. He wanted to run up the bill. They were deathly sick and she was to lazy and uncaring to bring supplies with her.

What if a sudden storm came up and the boat was tossing like the SS Minnow? 10 ft. waves hitting the boat? Then there they are. 25 miles out. Are the life jackets for the children stored in the boat somewhere?

It would take the Coast Guard a while to get there and there would be others to rescue.

When she said, Are you filming this? while with the kids with vomit all over them, I believe she played her victim card. See what I, I, I have to go through in being a mother to these many children? I have to deal with it, because I am a single mom with 8 kids.

She is a horrible mother.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

GollyGee (#39), remember, as a producer, TFW bragged that she knows how best to show her family. How delightful that one of those choices was to show her children covered in vomit.

Yes, she somehow manages to morph her children's struggles into her own victimhood. Like when she was washing some poor sick child's bedding and said something to camera like, "Vomit laundry -- the nicest laundry of all." No thought to how the little one who soiled that laundry was feeling. And let's face it -- TFW had tons of help back then, and as soon as the director yelled "cut," she probably dropped that bedding like a hot potato and left it for her laundry helper. Because realest reality.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

You know what happens to some kids when they feel their needs -- even medical ones -- are of no importance to their mother? Or, worse, are actually a burden to her? Those children stop sharing those needs, or ignore them all together. Or a child may stuff those feelings down very far, and then find them erupting in inappropriate ways.

The G kids have been parentified by TFW from jump. So not only do their needs not matter, but they have been groomed to meet HERS.

RoxyHelen said...

FlimsyFlamsy said... 40

GollyGee (#39), remember, as a producer, TFW bragged that she knows how best to show her family. How delightful that one of those choices was to show her children covered in vomit.

Yes, she somehow manages to morph her children's struggles into her own victimhood. Like when she was washing some poor sick child's bedding and said something to camera like, "Vomit laundry -- the nicest laundry of all." No thought to how the little one who soiled that laundry was feeling. And let's face it -- TFW had tons of help back then, and as soon as the director yelled "cut," she probably dropped that bedding like a hot potato and left it for her laundry helper. Because realest reality.
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Oh yeah, the other vomit episode. The one where she yelled and yanked Joel for daring to throw up on his new comforter than put him on the bathroom floor with a blanket and a bucket and all the machines running, turn the light off and shut the door.

Also, I think I read a comment here about Kate yelling at the kids not to get stains on their clothes by rolling in the grass and how she did it because she wanted the clothes in good condition for selling them later. That may be so but the main reason was-and she explained this herself-that she would be essentially tossing out 6 outfits and she can't afford that. Looking back, it's laughable and annoying at the same time. They were trying to pretend they are not the richest people out there and gathering donations but really, they afforded to toss out 6 outfits because one was ruined(and the SEXTUPLETS wouldn't be dressed the same and how would the world know they are SEXTUPLETS!!!!). What truly poor family does that?

Personally I never understood why they went for another child, knowing all the risks. They had two beautiful little girls and they were struggling financially, Jon had just lost his job or something. They had these other 6 kids expecting the world to chip in to raise them from before they were even conceived, they knew they couldn't afford probably not even one extra kid. Talk about entitled.They started marketing the kids the minute state help ended, when they turned one or so. Jon didn't even want another kid but was a pushover even back then and went along with whatever Kate decided.

GollyGee said...

FlimsyFlamsy said... 40
GollyGee (#39), remember, as a producer, TFW bragged that she knows how best to show her family. How delightful that one of those choices was to show her children covered in vomit.

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Yes! What a horrible decision to even make by a horrible mother! Remember when a child vomited and she BAGGED it up in a ziplock bag and put it right into the camera! I think they were on a plane going on another paid for trip.

I wonder if there is a dx for Super Victim?

Her picture would be in the medical book.

GollyGee said...

She was so stupid about the clothes for the kids!

She could of BACKED OFF about them staining the clothes. Let them stain their play clothes, all they want. Then get a endorsement for a stain removing product. Make funny commercials.
This cash flow would COVER the cash TFW received and is still receiving from the consignment shop.

Let the kids be kids! Not scared s******* when they stain their clothes!

Formerly Duped said...

I remember Kate had 'play clothes' and what she called 'going out' clothing. She was angry one day when Jon was going to let the tups play outside in the good clothes. Probably the play clothes were the things she claimed she inherited from Jamie's twin girls or her won older kids.The grifted ones were for consignment and making a buck literally off their backs.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Formerly Duped (#45), wasn't there also an argument about good shoes vs. play shoes when they were going to visit the Hershey hospital and it was muddy out? And I think TFW was once annoyed when Jon was using the girls "good" hair ties for a regular day?

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Wow, this week's "Little People, Big World" episode got 2 million viewers. TFW would have to reconcile with Jon to get those kinds of numbers.

PA Dutch Mom said...

OT...

Admin, news on the Sandusky mess...

"Former Penn State President Graham Spanier and former vice president Gary Schultz will have to spend two months in jail. Former athletic director Tim Curley will spend three months in jail. The rest of their sentences will be served in house arrest."

PA Dutch Mom said...

This cash flow would COVER the cash TFW received and is still receiving from the consignment shop.

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How is it known that she is still consigning clothing?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Admin, news on the Sandusky mess...

"Former Penn State President Graham Spanier and former vice president Gary Schultz will have to spend two months in jail. Former athletic director Tim Curley will spend three months in jail. The rest of their sentences will be served in house arrest."

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Years later and I still can't believe any of this. I hope this will send a strong message to everyone who hears about child abuse to report it promptly to the authorities or be sent to jail. Take heart, we have come far--in The Keepers, you ended up murdered for being concerned about child abuse.

Sue said...

I doubt that she's still using a consignment shop. Her kids probably have favorite clothes that they wear to death and wouldn't be worth anything.

Sherry Baby said...

This cash flow would COVER the cash TFW received and is still receiving from the consignment shop.

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How is it known that she is still consigning clothing?

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I don't watch the episodes. Has she been recently filmed or photographed lugging the stuff to the consignment shop?

PA Dutch Mom said...

I doubt that she's still using a consignment shop. Her kids probably have favorite clothes that they wear to death and wouldn't be worth anything.

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Where did this come from...that she's still consigning?

Admin, I guess Dottie is still standing by her man and by her son, who was arrested for sex offenses against minors.

Sue said...

PA DUtch Mom...GollyGee said "This cash flow would COVER the cash TFW received and is still receiving from the consignment shop."

I think some people were just wanting to know how she knows that Kate is still selling things at a consignment shop. My opinion is probably no because, as I said, the kids probably wear their stuff to death now as most kids of those ages do. Let's face it, stores aren't chomping at the bit anymore to have the kids be seen in their clothes (well maybe Peace, Love whatever still sends them stuff) because there are younger, cuter multiples around. Not a slam on the kids but toddlers are npcuter than 13 year olds.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

And speaking of child molesters, I just clicked on the People website and the very first picture? Josh Duggar. It's him and his pregnant wife and their son, at the boy's family birthday celebration. Is People testing the waters to see if readers will welcome a redemption cover story when the new baby is born? It's all about the benjamins.

Former Lurker said...

LOL, I noticed a couple of days ago on TFW's Instagram pic with Shoka and Mak that there were some recent comments that she would probably delete. Milo never commented on that post, until now that is:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BUsJd22gKqc/

coughlin.99Your such a bitch

coughlin.99You are the worst mother in the world for your kids

miloandjack2016Just thought you might want to remove a couple of negative comments here.... Sad that . some folks feel the need to share this sort of worthless points of view. @kateplusmy8 Have a good day! ❤

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Milo's slipping, though. She didn't alert TFW about a comment on the other post Milo hasn't commented on, the post prior to the dog post, the pic of the banana pepper:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BUp-0uegoqq/

getagriplosers2Oh its a pepper. I thought it was steve's winkie

Former Lurker said...

Poor, poor Milo. She still doesn't realize that she's in a one way "friendship" with TFW. Since TFW couldn't care less and didn't post a comment on her Instagram video post of her daughter graduating high school, Milo posted a comment to TFW there:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BUxhX-IDaXG/

miloandjack2016Speaking of #Finals...@kateplusmy8. I know you are happy to survive another school year. As you can see here our #Miss18 finished her FINAL set of FINALS! #GraduatedFromHighSchool!! #OnTo College. You are headed down this path too in just a couple more yrs! ❤

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Since TFW couldn't care less and didn't post a comment on her Instagram video post of her daughter graduating high school

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What I find ironic is that Milo took care to blur the video so that her daughter is nothing more than a blob of blond walking across the stage. Now why did you do THAT, Milo? To protect her privacy???

Former Lurker said...

Now why did you do THAT, Milo? To protect her privacy???

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Milo did that to protect her own privacy, to keep her identity secret since the name of the high school is right there. Little does she realize that due to the colors and some other info, someone with an idea of what state she lives in can discover what school it is.

GollyGee said...

It was me. I don't know if she is still using the consignment shop with the kids clothes or her own that TLC provides. But, I wouldn't put it past her to have dropped off the People cover white clothes off at the shop.

Tucker's Mom said...

https://www.instagram.com/p/BUxhX-IDaXG/
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I'm just not believing this is Milo's daughter. I think Milo is much older than Kate and perhaps this is her granddaughter.
Maybe her cell phone is really old, with that grainy video, but it's obvious that she's keeping the girl's identity private.

I just can't imagine a mother with a daughter graduating H.S. would spend her days worshiping Kate Gosselin and posting almost every single day on her social media.
It's horrible if she's that into Kate when she's got kids of her own.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Former Lurker (#57), that post is classic Gladys. TFW survived another school year? TFW is headed towards graduation? Funny, I'd think somehow the kids would come up in that post somewhere. But Gladys doesn't even bother to fake interest in them. It's all about TFW.

FYI said...

Former Lurker said... 57
Poor, poor Milo. She still doesn't realize that she's in a one way "friendship" with TFW. Since TFW couldn't care less and didn't post a comment on her Instagram video post of her daughter graduating high school, Milo posted a comment to TFW there:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BUxhX-IDaXG/

miloandjack2016Speaking of #Finals...@kateplusmy8. I know you are happy to survive another school year. As you can see here our #Miss18 finished her FINAL set of FINALS! #GraduatedFromHighSchool!! #OnTo College. You are headed down this path too in just a couple more yrs! ❤
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Milo is showing how desperate she is to get some recognition from Kate. She not only posts it on IG, but she also tries to get a reaction on twitter.

Fired Up 4 Kate‏ @MiloandJack Jun 2
@Kateplusmy8 Just wanted to send good vibes to your kids. All that hard work, studying and focus is going to help them NAIL those finals! :)

Milo, your desperation is showing.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

I wonder why Gladys finds criticism of TFW to be "worthless points of view," but felt free to call the father of TFW's beloved children a "wimpy boy?"

And, yes, you have to chuckle over Gladys' efforts to maintain her and her daughter's privacy. This from a woman who actually asked TFW which of the G kids wore their underwear out the fastest.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

I clicked on the Josh Duggar People article, and they are absolutely getting ready to bring him back into the public eye. The molestation of his sisters? No mention at all. And the only acknowledgement of the Ashley Madison debacle was the joint statement from Josh and Anna about working on their marriage and healing from infidelity.

I'm sure People, and Pimp Daddy Jim Bob, will be closely monitoring the comments, to see how soon they can let Josh re-brand the gravy train.
Talk about Teflon.

Formerly Duped said...

FlimsyFlamsy said... 46
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Yes, lol! I remember Jon was in charge of dressing the kids (in the living room?) and he used the wrong color of hair ties and yes, Kate had to admit he was right about the kids wearing old shoes on a muddy day to the NICU Hershey Day. She would be so difficult to live with.


As for consigning, I wonder if they get to keep TLC photoshoot clothes- those could be consigned. and then the episode where they had portraits done and Leah hated her dress- it looked expensive (but ugly !) would bring a pretty penny.

But normally the kids seem to be in Old Navy or similar brands and once they were shopping in a clearance aisle, the one where Collin wanted a shirt and tie and TFW did not know if one tup liked sports?

However the boutique the twins shopped in, and Kate found things SHE liked was definitely upscale.

Former Lurker said...

Interesting article about the divorcing HGTV couple (from FLip or Flop), and how ever since the divorce news broke they're constantly on the tabloid covers and websites:

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/06/03/fashion/christina-and-tarek-el-moussa-divorce.html?referer=

It also mentions TFW and Jon and how US Weekly put them on the cover seven weeks in a row during their 2009 divorce, which then brought them their highest ratings of ten million.

RoxyHelen said...


FlimsyFlamsy said... 65

I clicked on the Josh Duggar People article, and they are absolutely getting ready to bring him back into the public eye. The molestation of his sisters? No mention at all. And the only acknowledgement of the Ashley Madison debacle was the joint statement from Josh and Anna about working on their marriage and healing from infidelity.

I'm sure People, and Pimp Daddy Jim Bob, will be closely monitoring the comments, to see how soon they can let Josh re-brand the gravy train.
Talk about Teflon.
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No time soon, if the comments are a deciding factor. All the commenters on the people mag website seem outraged and are calling Josh a child molester. No one appears to have forgotten. I read a single comment wishing Marcus happy b-day(I didn't read all comments but I don't think there are many positive ones. It seems people are disgusted with people magazine for even publishing this article.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

RoxyHelen (#68), thanks for letting us know about the People feedback on Josh. I tried to find a link to the comments, but couldn't. And I'd rather not give them any extra hits.

I can't believe the whole molestation situation -- not of strangers, but of the very SISTERS of Josh's who are now featured in People as blushing brides -- has been swiffered. I think more than anything, Daddy Duggar worships the almighty dollar.

Anonymous said...

The Daily Mail reports: "Disgraced Josh Duggar makes return to social media in post celebrating his four-year-old son Marcus' birthday". The accompanying comments are brutal.

bm

denni9911@Y said...

is this a "repeat" episode? all this seems like we've seen it before!

CC said...

http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/jon-gosselin-hero-saved-woman-house-fire/

Jon saved a woman and her two dogs from a fire.

Fleecing The Sheeple said...


miloandjack2016Just thought you might want to remove a couple of negative comments here.... Sad that . some folks feel the need to share this sort of worthless points of view. @kateplusmy8 Have a good day! ❤

I didn't know that Milo is Kate's beck and callgirl. Kate doesn't seem to be doing much beckoning or calling recently! This is when Gladys gets desperate. It's pathetic, but amusing to watch.

Hey, Milo, seems you have tweeted quite a few worthless points about Jon. Isn't that sad, or were those comments fine and dandy?

Article on ROL about Jon and a fire.

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

It was me. I don't know if she is still using the consignment shop with the kids clothes or her own that TLC provides. But, I wouldn't put it past her to have dropped off the People cover white clothes off at the shop.


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If you don't know, then why post "guesses" as facts? I keep wondering what I'm missing! :)

Jamesvader1194 said...

@RoxyHelen (68) Makes you wonder,what the hell did PEOPLE expect?That people would forget about Josh's molest scandals?It amazes me how PEOPLE is trying to get people to forgive a child molester.Wonder if people should start boycotting again like back in 2015.

NJGal51 said...

http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/jon-gosselin-hero-saved-woman-house-fire/
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Do you think TFW will,post something allowing as to how Jon has always been a hero in his kids' eyes? Nah, that would be too classy.

Tucker's Mom said...

How feckless for Josh to use his son Marcus as a test balloon for his hopeful return to reality tv.

#coward

RoxyHelen said...

"Radar learns that disgraced reality star[Jon] pulls off amazing rescue."

Disgraced reality star? Really? They used that term with Joshua Duggar. Are they seriously treating Jon the same way they're treating a child molester? Damn, TLC and Kate did an awesome smear job huh?

RoxyHelen said...

On another note though, sit back and watch the sheeple manage to find a way to insult Jon for literally saving a woman from a burning building.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


No time soon, if the comments are a deciding factor. All the commenters on the people mag website seem outraged and are calling Josh a child molester. No one appears to have forgotten. I read a single comment wishing Marcus happy b-day(I didn't read all comments but I don't think there are many positive ones. It seems people are disgusted with people magazine for even publishing this article.

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In this climate where the tides have really turned when it comes to sex abuse, I'm really surprised People is going to take their chances on this one. Why risk the backlash when there are so many other celebs out there who don't come with such baggage? People, the mag, can be really stubborn sometimes.

Folks have short memories about a lot of things, so I'm pleasantly surprised they haven't forgotten that Josh is a child molester.

His kids are at serious, serious risk in his care. At the very least, for the love of God Anna, never leave him alone with them.

Susan1956 said...

Could someone post a link to the PEOPLE article on Josh? I can't seem to find it. Thank you.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

So,to recap the G family news of the week: Jon saved a woman and 2 dogs from a burning building. And TFW picked a pepper. Remind me again who the mediocre one is?

jamesvader1194 said...

Im probably going to get flak for this but,im kinda skeptical about that Jon story,mostly because its from "an insider" or "unnamed source".I mean if its true then good but on the hand if the headline was Kate,we'd be calling BS.

NJGal51 said...

FlimsyFlamsy said... 82
So,to recap the G family news of the week: Jon saved a woman and 2 dogs from a burning building. And TFW picked a pepper. Remind me again who the mediocre one is?
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And instead of saving a dog she kicked a ball for a dog. Truly mediocre.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Im probably going to get flak for this but,im kinda skeptical about that Jon story,mostly because its from "an insider" or "unnamed source".I mean if its true then good but on the hand if the headline was Kate,we'd be calling BS.


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I don't think we would be calling B.S. if they interviewed Kate herself and she acknowledged it. Such stories can easily be verified, it would be in the police report.

They interviewed Jon, he acknowledged it, but downplayed it. Neither Jon nor Kate is afraid to say when a story is made up. I'm sure Jon would have said so here.

Jon is wrong though--not everyone would run into a burning building.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


I'm just not believing this is Milo's daughter. I think Milo is much older than Kate and perhaps this is her granddaughter.


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Much strong hunch is that it's a family member, but not her daughter. Milo is close enough to the family to get graduation tickets, so I think she's a granddaughter or close family friend. Milo I think was older when she claims to have had the kids, mid-30's, but that would still only put her at early 50's for graduation. Her voice sounds very old, deep, and crackly, like someone might sound in their 70's or 80's.

There's a lot of other little things that make me think Milo is not a mother at all. I can't even think of them all now, but she talks like how someone might talk if they merely read a book on flying, but have never actually flown a plane.

If my hunch is correct, can you imagine how her real parents feel that this creep is posing as her mother?

Layla said...

The comments on the ROL story about Jon and the house fire are 100% positive. Seems that TLC and Kate weren't completely successful in their attempts at painting him as a loser and a terrible person/dad. I'm going to call it: we will not see a single word from People mag about this, and Kate will never acknowledge it. And if anyone dares to mention it on her IG, she will Swiffer the comment as fast as her fingers can hit the "delete" button.

Interesting--on thefutoncritic.com, Kate Plus 8 is not on the TLC lineup for summer. And when you look the show up in the alphabetical listings, it says it will come back in 2017/18. Looks like TLC is going to be playing games with the air dates again. How long can they put it off this time?

kris said...

Include me into the ones who feel Milo is way older than she's portraying. Ever since she started audio in her IG videos, I've definitely felt she's acquired her children thru fostering or had a little help bc they were older. Not only that, her husband seemingly feels a lot older. Those hats she posted a pic of? Seriously, I'm almost 50 and my great grandpa wore those types of hats! (I don't think he's THAT old, but I would say well into his 60's) And Milo sure sounds like she could be into her 60's.

As far as showing that young girl as her daughter, yes, it is creepy but I really feel that IG is strictly bc of Kate and NONE of her family has a clue she uses it.

NJGal51 said...

Much strong hunch is that it's a family member, but not her daughter. Milo is close enough to the family to get graduation tickets, so I think she's a granddaughter or close family friend.
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Well now that you mention it Admin Milo never says "my daughter". She'll say "our girl", "miss whatever age", "big brother and little sis", etc. you may be on to something.

Blowing In The Wind said...

bookSCREAM‏ @bookSCREAM 19m19 minutes ago
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@Kateplusmy8 Another great deal! We featured I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW in today's newsletter! http://bkscr.me/7bpBoE

Isn't that on pre-order, along with the cookbook?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Well now that you mention it Admin Milo never says "my daughter". She'll say "our girl", "miss whatever age", "big brother and little sis", etc. you may be on to something.


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YES, even in the video she says good girl, I think. And you're right, it's always our girl. Not my kid, not my daughter.

That seems very grandmotherly to me.

The question is why pretend she has kids. Why not just say she's a grandmother/favorite aunt/favorite neighbor? Is it to try to act like she relates oh so much to Kate? You don't need to have kids to relate to somebody with kids, that's just silly.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Blowing (#90), they should print a follow-up edition of that book with
a new letter to C from Mommie Dearest, where she explains that she warned him about working her last nerve, and you get what you get and you don't get upset. Or perhaps a more realistic edition in which C is completely removed. Maybe followed by another revamped book: 7 Little Faces.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


As far as showing that young girl as her daughter, yes, it is creepy but I really feel that IG is strictly bc of Kate and NONE of her family has a clue she uses it.

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She either has two separate accounts or no personal account at all. Who uses social media strictly for strangers they met on the internet? That's just BIZARRE.

Further, when your instagram is connected to your FB, you will get followers from FB who are alerted through the app that you are on FB and will follow you without you reaching out. So if she has a real FB somewhere, she's going to get followers without even wanting to. What I'm trying to say is, she probably isn't linking this account to a real FB account if there are no family or real friends on it.

Anonymous said...

I've definitely felt she's acquired her children thru fostering or had a little help bc they were older.
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So what if she did? Does she owe you an explanation regarding whether her children were conceived naturally, with fertility help or adopted? Why does anyone CARE?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

So what if she did? Does she owe you an explanation regarding whether her children were conceived naturally, with fertility help or adopted? Why does anyone CARE?

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She doesn't owe anyone an explanation and nobody said she did so I'm not sure why you're so upset.

I can't speak for anyone else but I "care" if that's the word (I think I'm interested is the better word) because I think there are clear signs she is faking her life on some level, and I think catfish are interesting, I've been interested in the phenomenon since Nev did his great documentary on the subject--the original. I think it's a sociologically interesting phenomenon of the internet, it allows some people to be something they are not which some people gravitate toward for some reason. I also think it's interesting to see people duped by it, and I see nothing wrong with raising red flags if you think duping is going on. If I were being possibly catfished, I'd really want somebody to point it out.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Jon's incident with the fire pretty much sums up Jon. He can be frustrating, probably parties and drinks too much, makes dumb decisions, is a pushover.

But at the end of the day, the guy will pull you out of a burning house if you need it, while somebody like Kate will keep on driving by, pretending not to notice the flames.

TLC stinks said...

The voice on the graduation video...sounds much, much older than Milo claims to be. I believe the boy and girl are her grandchildren.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


The question wasn't posed to you, but of course you have to answer! Not sure what rambling on about catfishing has to do with anything. My comment was about caring whether a child was adopted etc. Your child is your child and there should be no need for a qualifier, e.g. " my adopted child." That has nothing to do with catfishing.

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You posted on a public blog, you can expect anyone who wants to to weigh in. If you want to have a private conversation with someone ask them to contact you privately.

For goodness sake nobody tried to "qualify" an adopted child. People were remarking about how obviously ancient Milo sounds, we're talking decades past childbearing years, and perhaps therefore the kids could be adopted. There was a completely separate proposition that suggested they are not her children at all, not because of adoption but because she might be some other kind of relative. Stop making things up.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Also you asked why does anyone care.

Me, thinking I was anyone, remarked why I cared. (I don't but that's not the point). If you just wanted an answer from the poster you should have asked why she cared. Not why anyone did. Don't phrase questions like that then slap the wrists of those responding for answering. That's just stupid.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

. It specifically referenced the children possibly being "acquired" (talk about a strange way of phrasing things) through "non-natural" (my paraphrase) means. Stop making things up.


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And what was wrong with saying that?? Nothing. My god, the snowflakes today get so upset over the most benign comments, twisting them around and around until an apple becomes an orange. Quite ridiculous.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

If Kate had said it, you would be all over her ass. Such hypocrisy.


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Oh dear. Now you're just speculating what someone would or would not have said, in order to prove your point. Really?

In any case, if Kate would finally show just a tiny bit of skepticism about who Milo is, I would be more shocked than anything, but also glad.

GollyGee said...

Admin, in a lot of places, people really don't need invites or tickets to attend a high school graduation. The public is invited.

It could be possible Milo picked out this poor girl and made her look like she was her daughter. What IF Milo was not related to this girl in any way shape or form, and was a family friend or even neighbor or a stranger, as a parent, I would be horrified!

Her voice is ancient and old. And why didn't Milo say 17 Happy Graduation, Miss 17 or how old she is on the video? Why didn't she talk on the video like she talks on twitter and IG?

Catfish? Absolutely! For TFW to not question Milo out loud on twitter or IG could be she's afraid to now, years after the shout out to Milo on tv.

Sheepless In Seattle said...


Oh dear. Now you're just speculating what someone would or would not have said, in order to prove your point. Really?


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Admin, I thought that the troll was banned, or was that just wishful thinking? Why does this person have such a vendetta against you and is so obsessed with you? It's creepy!

Jamesvader1194 said...

@Admin (86) All one has to remember is"Zoey the bird" and you'll see that its proven Milo has a habit of staging photos,which if i remember,she claimed the bird was someone elses.But the fact she uploaded it,gave the illusion that she took the photo and that the bird belonged to someone she knew,sadly for milo,it turned out she stole a picture from some random dude on the internet.If she's know to do that then what other photos are staged?

kris said...

Anonymous #94...I don't care how her children came about, my point was (that I feel) she is lying about who she is. In the grand scheme of things, do I care? Not really. But this is a board where this community of people come to vent about exploiting children and if she's using someone else's children to gain favor with TFW then yes, she's exploiting (someone's) child. Why you would even be on this board questioning us if you don't feel like she or Kate exploiting children.

Oh and to acquire is another way of saying to obtain. If you foster you do obtain your children differently than other ways. That doesn't make you less of a parent, as a matter of fact, I think foster parents are pretty awesome. (And if Milo is one, great for her) Why is that offensive? To me your words of 'not natural' are more offensive than acquire.

GollyGee said...

James, isn't it strange that the bird on the picture that Milo posted, it's name was Zoey. Very close to Zorro.

NJGal51 said...

Admin, in a lot of places, people really don't need invites or tickets to attend a high school graduation. The public is invited.

It could be possible Milo picked out this poor girl and made her look like she was her daughter. What IF Milo was not related to this girl in any way shape or form, and was a family friend or even neighbor or a stranger, as a parent, I would be horrified!
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Now that's some wild, over-the-top speculation. I believe that Milo is related to the girl. Parent, aunt, grandparent, who knows. As far as Milo's voice goes (sounding ancient), my husband's family is from the south and he had an aunt that sounded just like Milo and this was when she was in her mid to late 50's. Like I said in an earlier post, I don't think I've ever heard her refer to the kids as "my daughter or my son". I will say though that she's got some beautiful property that she shows on her walks and she seems to really adore her dogs.

Tucker's Mom said...

What I'm trying to say is, she probably isn't linking this account to a real FB account if there are no family or real friends on it.
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I also believe Milo's accounts are clandestine and her family (or whomever she claims her family is) has no clue that she posts about them, and their photos.

Tucker's Mom said...

Layla said... 87
The comments on the ROL story about Jon and the house fire are 100% positive. Seems that TLC and Kate weren't completely successful in their attempts at painting him as a loser and a terrible person/dad.
^^^^^^^
Except Radar began their article with this:

"Jon Gosselin has been on a downward spiral ever since he split from his wife Kate, mother of their eight kids."

What. The. Hell?

Jon has been employed for the past 10 years, has NOT been selling his children for money and fame, has been in a monogamous, seemingly loving relationship with Colleen for years and seems happier than he ever was with his ex-wife.

THAT is a downward spiral?

What's Kate been doing other than trying to keep her children on tv, selling their privacy, sending a boy out of the home for over a year, hawking shit products on her social media and boo-hooing on the occasional tv show, crying about how hard her life is?
Oh, and getting dumped by a really rich guy for a 25-year old.

I'm sorry, but Jon isn't coming out the loser here!

Tucker's Mom said...

GollyGee said... 106
James, isn't it strange that the bird on the picture that Milo posted, it's name was Zoey. Very close to Zorro.
^^^^
She names her DOG Katie Irene, for cripesake!
LOL!

GollyGee said...

Oh, Tucker's, I forgot about that!

That night TFW thought Milo was coming to bring her something! That was scary!

I wonder if her bodyguard advised her to take precautions or did she call him in to actually work?

Tucker's Mom said...

Nicole Hoch‏ @NicoleLHoch 44m44 minutes ago
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Some1's been watching alot of @Kateplusmy8 ,not surprisingly it's my kids comfort show. May b bc I have binge watched it their whole lives 😬

This idiot mother has her 5-6? year old boy say to the camera, "Hannah pooped. She pooped in her undawears".

Isn't that so adorable!!!!

Not.

How does this "mother" not get that Hannah is now a 13-year old girl who would probably be mortified to see this on social media?
WTH are these sheeple thinking?

GollyGee said...

On the video, if the girl was a real relative of Milo, why wasn't Milo sitting with the family? There is no one saying anything acknowledging the girl around Milo.

As to the wild speculation, I said, If and is it possible.

There is no way any parents would allow Milo to video and post the video and post pictures to help her catfishing.

She is doing this on her own.

Sad but true said...

Layla said... 87

Interesting--on thefutoncritic.com, Kate Plus 8 is not on the TLC lineup for summer. And when you look the show up in the alphabetical listings, it says it will come back in 2017/18. Looks like TLC is going to be playing games with the air dates again. How long can they put it off this time?
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Sounds like they'll be doing the same thing as last "season": end-of-year mediocre time slot, no doubt with the same lackluster result. Who gives a s**t about seeing a 13th b'day party 6 months after the fact? It doesn't appear that very many people (or People) gave it more than a passing glance. No one cares anymore, K8. Give it up.

Tucker's Mom said...

GollyGee said... 111
Oh, Tucker's, I forgot about that!

That night TFW thought Milo was coming to bring her something! That was scary!
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OMG!

"I've got a surprise for you, Kate"
"It's on it's way!"
"It's getting closer, closer!"
"Are you wondering what it is?"

Paraphrasing, but it was hide-the-bunny scary!

Tucker's Mom said...

I wonder if her bodyguard advised her to take precautions or did she call him in to actually work?
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I have a feeling Stevie was living there at the time.
Has anyone seen the Flying Monkey recently?

Tucker's Mom said...

Who gives a s**t about seeing a 13th b'day party 6 months after the fact? It doesn't appear that very many people (or People) gave it more than a passing glance. No one cares anymore, K8. Give it up.
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At 13, let the kids choose what they want to do and have a low-key celebration with friends invited.
The whole production each birthday is so over the top that it's distasteful at this point.
The kids don't need a fricking carnival, a John Deere, an ice cream truck, a shopping spree or an all-day-long event.

Another birthday without Collin. That'll go over well....

NJGal51 said...

On the video, if the girl was a real relative of Milo, why wasn't Milo sitting with the family? There is no one saying anything acknowledging the girl around Milo.
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Why isn't the family sitting together? In some places you only get a certain number of tickets and other "family members" have to sit wherever. Such was the case with my son for both his HS and college graduations. Again, I think the kids are related to her I just don't know how. It could be that they're close family friends or God-parents. I don't think she's filming and posting pictures of strangers.

Anonymous said...

A must read at Daily Mail site: "Disgraced reality star Josh Duggar demands damages from sisters' breach-of-privacy lawsuit over 2015 molestation story - claiming his siblings have received sympathy from the public but he is a pariah".

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foxy said...

OT Joshie Duggar has joined in the lawsuit against the police. He wants a cut of the action as he has been vilified, lost money, etc. etc. He says he was a minor when that all went down and should have been expunged. Anyone else would have been removed from the home and been a registered sex offender. He hates it that his sisters got sympathy and he did not.

Layla said...

Josh Duggar has filed to join in his sisters' breach-of-privacy suit. He wants damages too, because he was a minor at the time he molested 5 girls and his name should have been protected. Yes, you read that right. He wants damages. Everyone is a victim these days, it seems. And each and every little snowflake victim wants a payout for their pain and suffering. Even child molesters, apparently. I find myself reminded of my favorite lines in the Eagles song Get Over It: "You bi+ch about the present and blame it on the past. I'd like to find your inner child and kick it's little a$$".

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Please that Josh Duggar story is a joke. No one has cojones that big.

For argument's sake, let's say, yes, it's true Josh did those things when he was a minor. But he wasn't a minor when he parked his smug, self-righteous, doughy self behind any podium he could find and wagged his finger about family values. He wasn't a minor when he signed a contract to work for that DC group which gave him a platform and a paycheck for his hypocrisy. He wasn't a minor when he supported himself and his growing family off of the teat of a TV network which features such fine family fare as a man who has intercourse with his car. And, most significantly, he wasn't a minor when he signed up for Ashley Madison with the express purpose of looking for an extramarital affair.

GollyGee said...

Tucker's Mom said... 117
Who gives a s**t about seeing a 13th b'day party 6 months after the fact? It doesn't appear that very many people (or People) gave it more than a passing glance. No one cares anymore, K8. Give it up.
*****
At 13, let the kids choose what they want to do and have a low-key celebration with friends invited.
The whole production each birthday is so over the top that it's distasteful at this point.

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You would of thought with TLC backing her, TFW could of swung a
Super Sweet 16 party on MTV for the twins. But, all we saw was a video of the twins as babies and lame party. Cara didn't even hug her mother but Mady did.

Sad but true said...

Anonymous said... 119

Holy crap, what IS Pa Duggar thinking here? And what on earth do his DAUGHTERS think of this total dick move? For that matter, what does TLC think? I can't believe they signed off on this. I truly think there is some serious mental illness in this family. Josh's derangement is beyond doubt.

NJGal51 said...

Well TFW has a new video up and it looks like the kids now have a go-cart (it's a video of two of the boys driving it). Yup, she's just your typical single mom just a 'piecin and a 'patchin.

Former Lurker said...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4574470/Josh-Duggar-seeks-intervene-sisters-lawsuit.html

Josh Duggar is trying to join his sisters' lawsuit against Arkansas police and In Touch Weekly seeking damages for the 'harm' he suffered following the tabloid's publication of a 2015 story which claimed he molested his siblings.

Court documents obtained exclusively by DailyMail.com show the disgraced reality star, 29, has filed a motion to intervene in the case stating he has suffered severe emotional distress, embarrassment, humiliation, and harm to both his personal and professional reputations.

Duggar, who was reported to have abused the girls when he was 14 and 15 years old, argues that his sisters have received sympathy from the public, but that his character has been damaged forever.

In March, sisters Jill, Jessa, Jinger, and Joy Duggar filed a breach-of-privacy suit against the city of Springdale, the tabloid, and police officials over the release of investigative reports relating to the incident.


Sad but true said...

So someone (TLC perhaps?) bought the two boys a go-cart. Whatever for?

kateplusmy8 It's SUMMERTIME and the fun has just begun! #Sun #Fun #SleepingIn #NoHomework #NewSetOfWheels #BoysWillBeBoys 🏎🌞🏎🌞🏎🌞🏎🌞

mydmaxx2581 Don't forget #pooltime. The go cart looks like fun. Have you tried it?

kateplusmy8 Oh yes! Forgot #PoolTime 🏊🏻 .. probably because it's been raining and cold ish nearly every time the kids try to swim 😡! So far, I only drove it into the garage and nearly hit my SUV. Does that count? Lol. @mydmaxx2581

Layla said...

NJGal51 (125)
A go-kart? I guess that means there was some filming going on. She would not have just given them something like that as a gift without using it to make their birthday all about her (on film, of course). That way her fans can fawn over her "generosity".

Go-karts can be dangerous--I hope their use of it is closely monitored. In my early teens I raced go-karts competitively along with my older step-brothers. It was fun until one of my brothers got in an accident that sliced him all the way around one side of his body at chest-level and punctured a lung. Those go-karts were gone in a heartbeat. Wearing a helmet is not enough to keep someone safe.

Anonymous said...

I have to wonder if TLC was aware Josh was planning on claiming damages as well as his sisters. It looks like the Duggars are going to be facing huge court costs when the lawsuit fails.

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Tucker's Mom said...

That's a $1000 Coleman Go Kart. Is Coleman still giving Kate freebies?
I'm guessing this was for filming the birthday.

Are those boys Aaden and Joel? Can't tell.

My God, Kate treats those boys like they're witless idiots.

"Brakes would be good here".

Shut up you beligerant harridan.

Tucker's Mom said...

Layla said... 121
Josh Duggar has filed to join in his sisters' breach-of-privacy suit. He wants damages too, because he was a minor at the time he molested 5 girls and his name should have been protected. Yes, you read that right. He wants damages
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This family is nothing more than money-hungry fame whores and Josh joining the suit is truly telling about what a morally-bankrupt POS he is.
He has NO SHAME.

Tucker's Mom said...

The Duggars need to get off our tv screen, and then the planet.

Tucker's Mom said...

claiming his siblings have received sympathy from the public but he is a pariah".
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I have limited sympathy for his sisters and zero for Josh. He IS a pariah.
I'm sure he prayed long and hard and Jesus told him to get his 30 pieces of silver.

Anonymous said...

So Josh has labelled himself a 'pariah'. He forgot to add an 'incestuous' pariah.

bm

Former Lurker said...

Layla said... 128

... Wearing a helmet is not enough to keep someone safe.

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That was my first thought when I saw one boy in flip flops and the other in shorts. Not good if they wipe out on the driveway.

I'm with all of you thinking this MUST be s "gift" from TLC or a sponsor as part of filming a birthday episode. Same old, same old.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Another fun thing C doesn't get to enjoy. Or, if he is home, TFW hasn't admitted it yet, which wouldn't be the realest reality, would it?

Former Lurker said...

Questions she likely won't answer (she's been ignoring questions lately about when a new season will be airing):

skye_quinn_miller Will sweet Collin get to be home for the summer?

anobles07@kateplusmy8 Will y all be back for another season?

cbjfanandswimmer Is Kate Plus 8 coming back on? @kateplusmy8

curlyanne_81 Is Colin back him yet

GollyGee said...

The Go Cart.

Just something else Collin gets to miss out on with his brothers.

Tucker's Mom said...

kateplusmy8It's SUMMERTIME and the fun has just begun! #Sun #Fun #SleepingIn #NoHomework #NewSetOfWheels #BoysWillBeBoys

It's really crappy that Kate pushes this notion that summer is for sleeping in and being lazy. How about the kids actually have constructive activities planned that don't involve filming?
She's such a sloth and projecting that kind of laziness really does the kids a disservice.
Besides, we all know she's got plans to make them work as much as possible.

Former Lurker said...

It's sad that C is missing out on so much time growing up with his siblings and so many memories. That time and those experiences can never be recaptured or made up for. Unfortunately, it will probably cause many problems for him even into adulthood and will cause a chasm between him and his siblings, especially his brothers.

As an adult, he is likely to go through many different stages and feelings of sadness and loss (he's missed out on so much time and the clock can never be turned back), resentment (they got to stay home and experience things that he didn't), jealousy (again, they got to experience things he didn't, they have a close brotherly bond without him), a feeling of abandonment and feeling left out as the others, especially the boys, will have childhood memories they can reminisce about when adults while C won't be any part of it.

With so much time apart, they will no longer have the same frame of reference for their childhood. Even simple things like inside jokes and, "hey, remember the time we..... ha ha ha." Sadly, TFW's banishment is likely to cause many long lasting problems for C as well as a rift in his relationship with his brothers.

Sad but true said...

If anyone in the Duggar debacle is entitled to some sympathy, it's his long-suffering wife. On top of the molestation scandal (which broke when she was 7+ months pregnant with three under-5s to take care of), she had the pressure of dealing with her furiously spinning in-laws who proclaimed publicly that she knew all about it before she married him (I will never believe this). And then right after she gives birth, she's hit with the paid escorts and porn addiction. While Little Boy Pudge rolls off to a secluded prayer camp to ride it out, she's stuck at home hearing how it's at least partially her fault for not giving him enough while her sisters-in-law ride their newfound "humiliation" to a new series.

The whole thing is a travesty and a blatant $$$-grab by the Duggars. And TLC should put a stop to it. This is definitely a bridge too far.

Tucker's Mom said...

Former Lurker said... 140
It's sad that C is missing out on so much time growing up with his siblings and so many memories. That time and those experiences can never be recaptured or made up for. Unfortunately, it will probably cause many problems for him even into adulthood and will cause a chasm between him and his siblings, especially his brothers.
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I'm telling you, boys feel rejection a million times more than girls. The ultimate rejection is the rejection from a mother of her son.
No, Collin will never get over his mother sending him away and it will affect his life forever.

I don't think Kate will ever bring him back home.

Tucker's Mom said...

With so much time apart, they will no longer have the same frame of reference for their childhood. Even simple things like inside jokes and, "hey, remember the time we..... ha ha ha." Sadly, TFW's banishment is likely to cause many long lasting problems for C as well as a rift in his relationship with his brothers.

*****
The Gosselins live in a post-Collin world. There is no going back.

NJGal51 said...

It's really crappy that Kate pushes this notion that summer is for sleeping in and being lazy.
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Sleeping in and being lazy in the summer is a luxury that most single moms don't get to enjoy especially if they're working because they've got to put food on the table. TFW is an unrelatable dolt.

Former Lurker said...

More questions she won't answer (that second comment looks like she thinks it's C in the go cart):

gingerhartSo fun!! Is your show coming back soon? I miss your sweet family!

brookeoakleyy_Aw Collin!❤️ I've nearly finished my a-level exams (I had one today and one more on Friday) so it will be summer for me soon too! Although we don't get much sunshine ☀️ in the UK ���� �� @kateplusmy8

abbyxkennedyWhen does the new season of the show come out?

liz_findingme@kateplusmy8 when does ur show come back on??

samanthagalante_5Is the show coming back?

pc08Awesome! Is Collin home?

sammysgmomCool cart!! Update on Collin please..❤️������

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Even Paige (pc08) is asking if C is home. Does TFW not realize, or care, that the fans are concerned about C?

Formerly Duped said...

I agree better safety precautions should be taken. Those kids have been subjected to a lot of dangerous activities, like the John Deere , no seat belts, too many in the car, Kate's speeding ( as per RH's book). But of course the first thought is that it seats two- no Collin and doesn't seem that a gift that can be only used by A and J means C will not be home for this birthday either.

NJGal51 said...

If the boy's got a go cart I wonder what the girls got!

Former Lurker said...

kderevanGood thing you only have two sons now.

catmom1963Why do you only have 2 sons what happened hope nothing is wrong, seriously what happened who is missing?

barbgilmer1Y'all filming now @kateplusmy8 ?

Tucker's Mom said...

Even Paige (pc08) is asking if C is home. Does TFW not realize, or care, that the fans are concerned about C?
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Kate doesn't give a crap. That's a given. What's confounding to me is that these sheep ignore this blatantly awful situation with Collin and they know it's not normal on any level.
The cognitive dissonance is remarkable.

Tucker's Mom said...

catmom1963Why do you only have 2 sons what happened hope nothing is wrong, seriously what happened who is missing?

barbgilmer1Y'all filming now @kateplusmy8 ?
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Ugh, did you see the expensive gift? Of course they're filming.
Without Collin.
More shiny balls for the kids to focus on instead of their missing brother.

Tucker's Mom said...

Formerly Duped said... 146
I agree better safety precautions should be taken
(((((((
OTOH, if you have to tell a 13-year old when to brake, the kid probably shouldn't be driving a vehicle!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Even Paige (pc08) is asking if C is home. Does TFW not realize, or care, that the fans are concerned about C?

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This is classic Kate. She really always seems to think things will fall into place exactly as she planned. She planned for the fans to forget Colin, to move on. The fans are too dense to realize what she needs of them, and unlike her, most have hearts and are concerned for him just as we are. The plan was to phase Colin out like you might a character which just isn't working on a sitcom until nobody notices they're gone. The fans are not following the script, and that must shock and annoy her.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Even Paige (pc08) is asking if C is home. Does TFW not realize, or care, that the fans are concerned about C?



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The Duggars don't know when to hold and when to fold. He got away with sexual abuse. He could have spent his entire teenage years in a jail cell or in rehab. Instead he pulled in millions on a reality TV show. And he has the nerve to say HE'S emotionally distressed?

The Duggars have a REAL bad read on the climate right now when it comes to sex abuse. The same day Cosby is in the news they think it's a good idea to trot out some lawsuit about how big and bad the public was talking it? Uh-huh.

They're going to have a serious public figure problem in their lawsuit, among other problems.

Tucker's Mom said...

The fans are not following the script, and that must shock and annoy her.
*****
Based on history, family members can fall off the face of the Earth and filming STILL continues.
Nothing to see here, folks...

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Sleeping in and being lazy in the summer is a luxury that most single moms don't get to enjoy especially if they're working because they've got to put food on the table. TFW is an unrelatable dolt.

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Not only that but even if you don't work most families keep kids busy with various activities throughout the summer, and sleeping in remains rare.

And, most people by her age realize if you're constantly snoring away until noon, perhaps you're just not going to bed early enough. Get your ass to bed earlier and set a good example for the children. Yeesh, you waste so much of the day sleeping in. Maybe she wouldn't be so darn behind as she claims if she made the most of the hours in her day.

Tucker's Mom said...

And, most people by her age realize if you're constantly snoring away until noon, perhaps you're just not going to bed early enough. Get your ass to bed earlier and set a good example for the children. Yeesh, you waste so much of the day sleeping in. Maybe she wouldn't be so darn behind as she claims if she made the most of the hours in her day.
*****
Kate is bone lazy. Why would anyone celebrate sleeping in late on a daily basis?
What a waste.
Get up and seize the day.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


If anyone in the Duggar debacle is entitled to some sympathy, it's his long-suffering wife. On top of the molestation scandal (which broke when she was 7+ months pregnant with three under-5s to take care of), she had the pressure of dealing with her furiously spinning in-laws who proclaimed publicly that she knew all about it before she married him (I will never believe this). And then right after she gives birth, she's hit with the paid escorts and porn addiction. While Little Boy Pudge rolls off to a secluded prayer camp to ride it out, she's stuck at home hearing how it's at least partially her fault for not giving him enough while her sisters-in-law ride their newfound "humiliation" to a new series.


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Well said. She's in quite the pickle. To add to that, she's the one who has to put HER kids at risk letting him back into the home. She is putting her OWN custody on the line. God forbid if anything happens, CPS is going to look right at her too. You don't get off just because you weren't the one molesting the kids, especially when she's on notice now he's a problem. It's just as much about whether you failed to protect children from abuse when it comes to keeping your kids.

Basically she's f--ed no matter what she does.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Kate is bone lazy. Why would anyone celebrate sleeping in late on a daily basis?
What a waste.

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If somebody close to me was going on about that in real life, I would honestly be concerned. I would find a diplomatic way to let them know how much more you can get out of your day if you go to bed early, get lots of rest, and get out of bed at least before people start punching in. There's tons of productivity articles on the internet about it, maybe point her there. Maybe she simply doesn't get the concept.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


On the video, if the girl was a real relative of Milo, why wasn't Milo sitting with the family? There is no one saying anything acknowledging the girl around Milo.


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We don't know that she wasn't sitting with family, still it is strange that you can't hear anyone else saying a thing. You would expect a little cheering, and a few comments, if the family were there.

It would be REALLY crazy if she just went to a random graduation and filmed.....I do NOT put it past her.

foxy said...

I wonder what would happen if the underage babysitter that Joshie molested sued him for what he did to her. That model he used for a photo is suing him big time. I wonder how that is going. I hope he is never alone with his 2 daughters. If he touched them, both parents should be punished and the kids taken away for their own safety.

His wife must really be brainwashed or threatened with losing her home and children should she ever divorce him.

Former Lurker said...

I think TFW is full of it when she posts every year about Fun, fun, fun, summertime, sleeping in, yay! I think having the kids home in the summer totally cramps her style. She prefers when they're in school and she can go back to bed, sleep as late as she wants, and not have them around to see what a lazy slouch she is. All she has to do is put up a load of laundry and start dinner and then tell them she's been busy slaving away all day. Despite what she posts every year, I think she's one of those moms that hates having the kids home all summer and celebrates when the school year starts again.

Midnight Madness said...

Despite what she posts every year, I think she's one of those moms that hates having the kids home all summer and celebrates when the school year starts again.

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Maybe I shouldn't admit this, but while I don't hate having the kids home all summer because we do have a wonderful time on vacations, touring, swimming and everything summer is about, there are times when I do celebrate their return to school!

CC said...

If you wake up at 5 or 6am during the school year sleeping until 8-9am can be considered "sleeping in." That's an extra 3 hours.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Former Lurker (#161), oh, I agree. TFW's real fantasy would be to sleep in, and wake up to NOBODY in the house. Those children are a burden to her, as she's expressed in myriad ways. She's just not that into them.

NJGal51 said...

I'd like to sleep in on the weekends and on holidays but my puppy thinks 0545 is sleeping in. It's funny how my husband never hears him and how he only comes to my side of the bed. Sigh, 7 would be nice.

RoxyHelen said...

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 158


Kate is bone lazy. Why would anyone celebrate sleeping in late on a daily basis?
What a waste.

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If somebody close to me was going on about that in real life, I would honestly be concerned. I would find a diplomatic way to let them know how much more you can get out of your day if you go to bed early, get lots of rest, and get out of bed at least before people start punching in. There's tons of productivity articles on the internet about it, maybe point her there. Maybe she simply doesn't get the concept.
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Going to bed late and waking up late? That's what we did in college...you know, when we where 20 and kidless and jobless and not every day anyways. Someone needs to tell Kate that that behavior, while typical for some teens and college kids, really is not ok in a mother. I can't remember a day my mother woke up after 8 am, unless she was sick or something. Seriously Kate's behavior is so strange. My mom used to tell me that people like that, who do nothing all day may wake up one day and realize that life has passed them by. I happen to think she's right. Terrible example to set for the kids too, as others have said.

Tucker's Mom said...

CC said... 163
If you wake up at 5 or 6am during the school year sleeping until 8-9am can be considered "sleeping in." That's an extra 3 hours.
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Kate has said don't come knocking on her door until after 9am.
I can't imagine sleeping in that late other than being sick.
When you have dogs, you have to think about them holding their business in another 3 hours!

Tucker's Mom said...

I can't remember a day my mother woke up after 8 am, unless she was sick or something. Seriously Kate's behavior is so strange. My mom used to tell me that people like that, who do nothing all day may wake up one day and realize that life has passed them by. I happen to think she's right. Terrible example to set for the kids too, as others have said.

*****
Our moms were cut from the same mold! My mother never slept in and never napped. She liked to relax during the evenings watching tv, and Sundays, she'd pore over the paper, consuming it front to back.
That was a luxury!
If she had Kate's time and money, she would have gone to college and earned a degree.
Kate has no idea or appreciation for what she has and the opportunities she's not taken advantage of.

NJGal51 said...

Milo is falling down on the job. Not only has she not commented on the latest go-cart video but the following comment is on TFW's IG and Milo hasn't told her to swiffer it yet....

XXXXKate sent Collin away over a year ago. She had kept him from seeing his father for over two years and refused to tell his Dad where she sent him. Collin had a very unhappy childhood as detailed by Kate herself in Mommy's Journal, published in @gosselinbook. #ParentalAlienation

Formerly Duped said...

The countless times Kate mentions sleeping in, lazy days, lying by the pool, being exhausted-ish, having low blood sugar, being under-energized...maybe she needs a good old iron pill and a swift kick the arse!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Not only does it waste the most productive part of her day and the kids' but even if she's talking about sleeping in until 9, most summer camps, sports, summer school, art classes and other summer activities have the kids starting by 8:30-9. It's just another glaring clue that she doesn't have these kids as engaged with the outside world as other kids are. There may be a couple days a week one can lounge in bed during the summer, but otherwise usually summer is just as busy as a school year, it's just a different kind of busy. As another poster pointed out, poster looks forward to the "relief" of the school year!

And she doesn't want the kids to go to camp. Like a cult, too much contact with the outside could give them other ideas. I think a lot of her big ticket or otherwise alluring items are meant to trick the kids into staying around the house as much as possible. The puppies, the go cart, for starters.

And finally, she's insensitive. For working mothers, summer can be both the hardest time of year and the saddest. Hard, because now you have to figure out childcare all day long and pay more money for it. Sad, because the kids are around and available but you're still at work all day as usual. She couldn't imagine the average American's life in middle America if she tried, and she's FROM there. Or, maybe she resents that life so much she doesn't even want to think about it. Too bad.

Tucker's Mom said...

Formerly Duped said... 169
The countless times Kate mentions sleeping in, lazy days, lying by the pool, being exhausted-ish, having low blood sugar, being under-energized...maybe she needs a good old iron pill and a swift kick the arse!
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Kate always sound very unhealthy. For her age, she complains of fatigue and has a distinct disinterest in being active and productive.
When she is active and productive, she expects tons of recognition and a pat on the back.

Tucker's Mom said...

And she doesn't want the kids to go to camp. Like a cult, too much contact with the outside could give them other ideas. I think a lot of her big ticket or otherwise alluring items are meant to trick the kids into staying around the house as much as possible. The puppies, the go cart, for starters.
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I also believe all those entrapments at the compound are tightly guarded and regulated by Kate. I don't think the kids can just jump in the pool, on their John Deere or even their tree house without clearing it with Kate first.
I think there's very little autonomy.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Admin (#170), and another big reason to not send the kids to camp is lack of availability for filming. TFW is well aware of her side-piece status at TLC, and I think she lives her life in a tentative way, knowing one phone call could mean another round of episodes.

Tucker's Mom said...

And finally, she's insensitive. For working mothers, summer can be both the hardest time of year and the saddest. Hard, because now you have to figure out childcare all day long and pay more money for it
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Kate has no clue and is incredibly tone deaf when it comes to bragging about how they all get to be lazy and sleep in every day.
Even just having snow days and teacher planning days here and there can set a family back money that really hurts their budget!

FlimsyFlamsy said...

As I said recently, TFW really telegraphs her lack of interest in education. Most parents are vigilant about including some sort of cerebral pursuits over summer, to keep their kids' minds sharp. Encouraging reading is a wonderful way to do that. And then maybe going back to school wouldn't seem like such a nightmare.

Is there a decent library within driving distance of their house? Where I live, there are lots of activities there, and even more during the summer months. The June calendar at one of my branches includes a teen graphic novel book club, kids' summer reading book club, movies for kids and teens, LEGO building, science programs, card games, and a mask-making workshop. And all of it FREE. But as Admin said, that would mean contact with the great unwashed, and TFW has no interest.

RoxyHelen said...

And she doesn't want the kids to go to camp. Like a cult, too much contact with the outside could give them other ideas. I think a lot of her big ticket or otherwise alluring items are meant to trick the kids into staying around the house as much as possible. The puppies, the go cart, for starters.
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That and the fact that I suspect this is how she gets kids to be on board with filming. Think about it: after being trapped at the house with nothing to do for months on end, when the film crew shows up of course they will jump with joy, they are finally getting out of the damn house. Poor kids!

Imagine if they had camp and other cool daily activities. Imagine if Kate took them on day trips and mini vacations to the beach and adventure parks, there'd be no reason for the kids to want to film and they are old enough that they can't really be forced into it. You heard Mady "without the cameras we wouldn't do anything, we'd be staring at the walls all day". Quite disturbing, in my opinion.

RoxyHelen said...

Tucker's Mom said... 168

Our moms were cut from the same mold! My mother never slept in and never napped. She liked to relax during the evenings watching tv, and Sundays, she'd pore over the paper, consuming it front to back.
That was a luxury!
If she had Kate's time and money, she would have gone to college and earned a degree.
Kate has no idea or appreciation for what she has and the opportunities she's not taken advantage of.

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Yep, us and our mediocre, like-to-work moms.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

I love that a few fans are starting to ask about C. It must really tick TFW off. Her brilliant plan of trading one boy for two puppies didn't work out quite as well as she'd hoped. But she's still filming, so she won, and that's what's most important to her.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

It just occurred to me that at least some of the G kids might actually dread summer, because school offers them some sanctuary from their toxic mother. And being out of school means time away from their friends, and I can't imagine TFW puts a lot of effort into coordinating visits for 7 kids with their individual friends. Hopefully those friends' parents make the effort so that the kids can see each other.

Gigi Be said...

Expensive go cart can only mean one thing- filming! I wonder if she was successful at grifting another beach vacation or two this summer. It must fry her that TLC isn't sending her to Australia again.

Anonymous said...

I wonder how the Duggar sisters feel about Josh now stating how he 'suffered' as a result of his actions and what they think about his jumping on board their lawsuit. According to Huffington Post, while his sisters share the same lawyer he has retained a separate one.

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Sad but true said...

Here's the motion filed by Josh to try to join his sisters' lawsuit.

https://www.scribd.com/document/350476673/Josh-Duggar-lawsuit?irgwc=1&content=10079&campaign=Skimbit%2C%20Ltd.&ad_group=&keyword=ft750noi&source=impactradius&medium=affiliate

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Gigi Be (#181), that go kart has me curious. I agree that it's got to be TLC funded. But it's, in TFW's version of the world, more of a "boy" gift. Which has me wondering if TLC gave the girls something else, like a spa trip or shopping spree. Something Mommie Dearest could be a part of.

Nicky said...

If her sleeping in comment doesn't make her "fans" think twice, then they really have their heads in the sand. Biologically, I can't sleep in anymore because my body won't let me. Years of getting up early for work, and then getting up earlier once the kids were school aged (so I could be ready before they woke up), has conditioned me, and I'm sure most people, to a certain number of hours of sleep per night.

Kate either stays up very late, or doesn't usually get up that early. And, it is more stressful for parents, in trying to find things to keep the kids occupied during the days. And she also has the advantage of being able to take her kids to local summer events in the "off" times, when most other parents have to make due with attending events during busy hours (when most are done with work, so everyone attends).

How great for Kate that she can now relax, after her grueling school year....UGH!

Tucker's Mom said...

Gigi Be said... 181
Expensive go cart can only mean one thing- filming!
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I think that's a given, especially when I looked up that Go Kart and saw it was Coleman, whom she's grifted TONS of stuff from before.

Former Lurker said...

katileyyToo bad C can't enjoy that with his brothers. SAD!

jamiepumpkin3What's the weight limit? Do I get a ride?

Former Lurker said...

NJGal51 said... 169
Milo is falling down on the job. Not only has she not commented on the latest go-cart video but the following comment is on TFW's IG and Milo hasn't told her to swiffer it yet....

XXXXKate sent Collin away over a year ago. She had kept him from seeing his father for over two years and refused to tell his Dad where she sent him. Collin had a very unhappy childhood as detailed by Kate herself in Mommy's Journal, published in @gosselinbook. #ParentalAlienation

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If that comment was posted on the go-cart video, it must have been deleted because I can't find it.

Layla said...

I still cannot fathom what Kate was thinking when she bought that go-kart. Those things are so dangerous! Many people will drive them on a track, but there will be bumpers (often made of tires) to soften the corners. Karts flip very easily, and when they do, they really go flying. Trust me, as a former racer, I know! And kids really want to drive them fast and race one another. Unless Kate is planning on building a track of some sort and buying more karts, this one won't be much fun. All they can do is drive slowly up and down the driveway. I loved my go-kart racing days, but my step brothers and I suffered our share of injuries, including burns and broken bones, plus the life-threatening injury to one brother I mentioned before. We worked with a coach for years and knew the dangers, but still got hurt. Kate will have to keep it locked away and then monitor the kids constantly, or the temptation to drive too fast or tear around in it will be too much. And we all know she is not about to do that. So I expect it will spend most of its time sitting in the garage.

GollyGee said...

S***'* getting real now.

From Life is more than pickles and hairspray

Did I miss something? Are the Duggars lying on these court papers? It says the reports were filed in 2006 when Josh was a juvenile. Josh was actually 18 years and 9 months at the time of the filing. That's not a "juvenile". Shouldn't this case be thrown out of court just for that lie alone?

Oh, and Jill is naming number two, Samuel Scott.

Read Josh's Motion to Intervene in the lawsuit his sisters filed regarding the release of the police report to In Touch Weekly.

Here is the lawsuit:

https://posting.arktimes.com/media/pdf/duggar.pdf

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/josh-duggar-has-the-audacity-to-claim-molestation-reports-caused-emotional-injury_us_5935fdb8e4b0cfcda917101e

Tucker's Mom said...

Former Lurker said... 187
katileyyToo bad C can't enjoy that with his brothers. SAD!

jamiepumpkin3What's the weight limit? Do I get a ride?
*****
Jamie gets to come to the compound and play and Collin??

Beuller? Anyone? Anyone?
Beuller?

Sometimes I can't wrap my head around just how screwed up this is!

Tucker's Mom said...

Layla said... 189
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Thanks for posting your experience with go karts! I wondered how practical and appropriate it is to drive them over terrain.
Seems like you really need a track to use them properly.

I wonder if the go kart was purchased/donated for the safety and well being of her kids.

Tucker's Mom said...

From the HuffPo article:
"The City of Springdale, which the sisters are also suing, previously dismissed the allegations in the lawsuit as “without merit” and “false” in a statement to the press. In Touch has yet to respond to the lawsuit, but it’s important to recognize that Josh’s name was, in fact, redacted from the police report ― as required by law. In Touch even noted in the story:

“(Note: Josh’s name is redacted from the police report but In Touch has confirmed the passages that refer to him.)”

If anyone was able to infer who was the perp and who were the victim, that's Boob's fault for making his family public figures.

I hope they get tossed out of court on their cans.

Tucker's Mom said...

Further, 2 of Josh' victims identified themselves! They couldn't help themselves in the face of losing their show, so Boob had the self-serving idea that going on tv and crying about being traumatized NOT BY JOSH, but by the police department, would generate sympathy and get the positive cash flow going again.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

I still can't get over the colossal chutzpah of Josh Duggar. So a few days after the Ashley Madison scandal broke, he high-tailed it to some religious camp to get "cured," and he came back bitter and victim-ish and p*ssed off and looking for cash. Sounds like they did a bang-up job. I guess Josh was off getting a churro when they lectured about contrition and humility.

Excuse my vulgarity, but...he diddled his FIVE-YEAR-OLD sister and he's upset that HE'S being punished?
Has he ever considered that maybe this is God's will, and that feeling demeaned may be part of his journey towards redemption? That this kind of profound suffering might inspire him to become the man his wife and children deserve?

Former Lurker said...

Layla said... 189
I still cannot fathom what Kate was thinking when she bought that go-kart.

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I get what you're saying, but there's no way she bought that herself. TLC either bought it or grifted it for an episode.

Tucker's Mom pointed out it's a Coleman. At the end of the video, you can see the model number, KT196. Maximum speed is 31 mph:

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Coleman-KT196-196cc-Gas-Powered-Go-Kart/35524419

Formerly Duped said...

Remember how TFW pretended to teach the twins how to drive in the John Deere? She has no idea about things.Layla your story is eye-opening about the dangers of this kart, yikes.

Tucker's Mom said...

"Meanwhile, his sisters Jessa and Jill previously said they had “forgiven” Josh, but the language in their lawsuit says otherwise. In the suit, the sisters state they were “sexually assaulted on several occasions by [their] brother, Josh Duggar.” The words “sexual abuse” and “sexual assault” and “molestation” are free flowing throughout the suit. It’s a far cry from how they previously characterized the incidents as “mild, inappropriate touching” when they were interviewed by Kelly. "

Uh, yeah. When the prospect of cashing in on their molestation gets real, suddenly they address the molestation for what it is, and not just some pimply, teenage brother getting randy, touching them over their clothes when they were asleep, thus they remembered none of it.

I'm so glad they did that Kelly interview!

NJGal51 said...

Former Lurker - Yup, she deleted it. It was right after/in answer to the ashleyg6699 comment.

She also posted a new IG with a picture of her hairdresser (the one Mady was so excited to see at the birthday party) doing "algebraic equations". Apparently he's now #UncleRonnie and is #BeingTutoredByCaraAndMady #DuringSummerBreak and too many other # tags to mention. I think you all are right and they're probably filming because why would a NYC hairdresser come to rural PA to be tutored in algebra.

GollyGee said...

Comments on FB.

I looked up his attorneys to see what kinds of folks would take on a case like this. www.storylawfirm.com One of their specialities is "church law" - in my 12 years of practicing law, I have never heard of a fellow attorney advertising themselves as specializing in "church law". Seems that it is aimed at helping people start their own churches...

Um.....Doesn't this qualify as filing a false report? And isn't that a criminal action as well?

It certainly meets the criteria for a frivolous lawsuit. Both lawsuits do, actually: https://definitions.uslegal.com/f/frivolous-lawsuit/

Anonymous said...

She has a new picture up of Uncle Ronnie (sic) who is the summer tutour for Cara and Mady. I think this the hair guru who was the surprise guest at their last birthday party.

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