Saturday, May 20, 2017

Discussion thread: 'The Keepers'; and the Duggars file a really stupid lawsuit

Sister Cathy, who was murdered for trying to protect children from abuse.
We've been riveted to The Keepers since it first appeared on Netflix this week. Equally heartbreaking and painstakingly detailed, The Keepers tells the story of Jean Wehner, who was molested by a priest at her high school in the 60's. But this is not just another all too common tale of betrayal and sexual abuse towards children at the hands of the Catholic church. This one is also about Jean's beloved young teacher, a nun named Sister Cathy, who ended up murdered around about the same time she discovered some of her students were being abused. When Cathy set about to stand up for her students, one of the most shocking cover-ups to come out of organized religion ensued.

The internet has been ablaze with amateur sleuths on this story for years, and now it comes to our screens. One review calls The Keepers, which has been compared to Making a Murderer, similar fare yet much more haunting, and that Sister Cathy's murder is a corner piece of a jigsaw puzzle. We agree. Discuss here.

In somewhat ironic timing, the Duggars this week filed a lawsuit against various government officials, protesting the release of police reports and other documents in connection with Josh Duggar's molestation of several of his younger sisters many years ago. The City of Springdale quickly responded with a press release, denying any wrong-doing and pointing out that the documents were heavily redacted, and protesting the use of tax dollars for this scheme.

If there's one thing that comes through in The Keepers, it's that keeping the story quiet about sexual abuse makes it worse, not better. In fact, because Jean and others kept quiet until the early 90's, one perpetrator continued to sit on the pulpit for decades. He was finally removed when Jean decided she must come forward no matter how painful. Because people thought sexual abuse must be kept quiet, Sister Cathy, who did not think so, was murdered. Disclosure and public acknowledgement of abuse is how we solve this problem, Jim Bob, not more covering up. Perhaps if Jean lived in a society in which sexual abuse was not regarded as something so shameful and private, she wouldn't have been so reluctant to come forward, and Sister Cathy would still be alive. Shame on you.

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Abby said...

First!

Dmasy said...

I stayed up through the night watching "The Keepers".

It exploded Catholic school memories into my mind. I am the age of most of the participants in the documentary.

Between my Saturday activities, I watched "The Keepers" a second time.

Jane Doe and Jane Roe are strong and heroic women. The two ladies who began a true crime search peeled back layers of a larger story.

There is so much to say about this documentary and at the same time there are no words.

My emotions were so raw that at 3:00AM I was in my attic looking for a box of old photos. I found the few pictures I needed to see. Photographic proof of parochial school years. Harsh years.

Small community. Small classes. Big church. I was compelled to look into the faces of classmates. We had our stories and secrets.

I am not exaggerating when I say "The Keepers" turned my head inside out. It will take awhile to put thoughts back into the past.






Confused said...

My emotions were so raw that at 3:00AM I was in my attic looking for a box of old photos. I found the few pictures I needed to see. Photographic proof of parochial school years. Harsh years.
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I didn't attend parochial schools, but I have to admit, close to the end of the series my throat began to tighten up as though I was about to cry. I got up, walked around then sat down and started watching again. I was so moved, angry and frustrated that my emotions were raw as well. The interviews with the dentist really got to me. Don't want to say too much and ruin it for anyone who hasn't watched.

It was an excellent documentary, in the same category as Making a Murderer. I have so much admiration for those who can put together such powerful programs.

Sad but true said...

Kinda strange post on Kate's IG, ostensibly by Mady:

kateplusmy8 ❤️ #Nanuq #Mady #KingGermanShepherd #SableKingShepherd #Bedtime

Photo with lots of toys, supposedly all named by Mady; as usual, Milo acts like she's asking on behalf of the world at large,:

miloandjack2016 Where is this? Doesn't look like Nanuq's normal sleeping area? #YourBed And btw...she doesn't look sleepy at all? Haha...good luck on getting some slumber w/that #WideEyedBeautifulGirl!! 😋 @kateplusmy8

#NookiePookie certainly looks like she's not enjoying free rein of the manse whatever night this was taken.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


I didn't attend parochial schools, but I have to admit, close to the end of the series my throat began to tighten up as though I was about to cry. I got up, walked around then sat down and started watching again. I was so moved, angry and frustrated that my emotions were raw as well. The interviews with the dentist really got to me. Don't want to say too much and ruin it for anyone who hasn't watched.

It was an excellent documentary, in the same category as Making a Murderer. I have so much admiration for those who can put together such powerful programs.

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Agree, agree. Excellent, excellent.

I haven't had a documentary reach deep down into my heart and yank it from my chest, twisting it, since The Farmer's Wife.

We have only scratched the surface of doing a better job protecting our children from abuse. Go away, Jim Bob. You are not of this era.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I love the photo in the post of Sister Cathy, one of the few that seems to exist of her teaching. I imagine she is looking at a student or maybe the whole class, her whole face lighting up because she loves to teach so much, likes being around eager bright high school kids in a competitive school. And we know now that it wasn't just teaching she loved, but she really cared about her students and did not want anyone to hurt them no matter how big and powerful the perps were. She gave her life for her.

Frankly, she's a martyr for the cause.

Jamesvader1194 said...

Im reposting this on here just for those who didn't see it.If Josh is coming back on the show,im pretty sure we all called it.We all thought that TLC was going to throw Josh to the curb until the public "calmed down"over the whole scandal and now Josh will come back on claiming how hes a changed man and that he "released the demons" in him.Maybe im giving jill and Jessa's fanbase the benefit of the doubt but from what i herd most of Jill and Jessa's fanbase hate Josh and wouldn't watch the show if he returned.On the other hand,i wouldn't be shocked if they drank the TLC kool aid and believe Josh is a changed man.

Anonymous said...

you all, dmasy, are spoiling it for us who haven't seen it yet!

- amy

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Most of the stuff talked about is disclosed in the first 20 minutes or so. The rest, you'll have to scroll!

The story is not the murder itself.

Confused said...

We have only scratched the surface of doing a better job protecting our children from abuse. Go away, Jim Bob. You are not of this era.
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Being the pessimist that I am, or maybe a pragmatist, when you have to fight a multi-billion dollar corporation that sweeps its problems under the rug I don't see much happening with regard to Priest/child abuse. Of course I'm talking about cover ups and justice. justice. Prevention? When children are terrified with threats, how do we deal with that?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I firmly believe one of the only ways to put a stop to some of this is to ensure that we are raising children in a culture where not only is it supported to disclose sex abuse but we demand that it be disclosed. Only when children are encouraged to disclose it is freely as they would disclose what they had for lunch that day, that's when priests start to get too scared to attempt it. There has actually been an incredible decline in sex abuse incidents in the past 20 years. We're talking about a 50% decline. And they've run through the numbers with a fine tooth comb, and research believe that there actually less incidence of sex abuse. Not that people are just not reporting it. I think perpetrators are getting too scared to attempt it for fear of being discovered. We have made huge strides.

Dmasy said...

Amy, I apologize. I don't think I (or any other poster) have said anything in our comments that you could not read in a TV Guide bleep for the documentary.

Please don't google "The Keepers", you will learn much more in any professional review.

Please watch it if you have any interest. I would not want my words to spoil your heartfelt experience.

Dmasy said...

Here is a link to a "review" of The Keepers.

https://www.vox.com/2017/5/20/15643380/the-keepers-netflix-sister-cathy-cesnik-murder-mystery-review

Caution: It is full of what should be labeled spoilers.

However, you can read every word -- including names, dates and details -- and still NOT understand the power of the documentary.

It is a documentary full of facial close ups that allow you to see deep into the eyes of the story teller.

It is a documentary so well done with ample "stage-setting" involving leaves dripping rain water and geese landing on misty ponds. Yellowed newspaper clippings and wrinkled old photos provide detailed support for memories that are fading into old age.

Jillygee said...

Again w the baby gates in the pics. Yes those dogs are trained so well. (Eye roll)

Kylie said...

I just watched the first episode last night. After church this morning I plan to watch it all this afternoon while it rains and storms outside. I am so moved by your comments and especially you Dmasy. I have never had your experience of Catholic schools, but I can imagine your dismay at watching this and not being able to let it go. Thanks Admin for telling us about this excellent documentary!

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Sad but true (#4), good grief, Gladys is obsessed. Chatting, however one-sidedly, with a stranger on a Saturday night and hashtagging "#YourBed?"

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

"This happened, and now the world's hearing it, and that's a good thing." Statement from one of the victims of Maskell.

Go away, JimBoob.

Confused said...

Thanks for the link, dmasy. Outstanding review.

"Instead, it will make you feel a haunting numbness, a triumph of its empathetic approach to a complicated tale."

That's exactly what I was feeling as I watched the last episode.

It's interesting how one excellent piece of work (the series) brings out the excellence in another piece of work (the review).

Janice said...

#11 I firmly believe one of the only ways to put a stop to some of this is to ensure that we are raising children in a culture where not only is it supported to disclose sex abuse but we demand that it be disclosed.... I am an incest survivor. The first thing that I remember (after years of therapy) was that my abuser told me no one would believe me. And he was right.

Confused said...

It's probably just me but I don't get why the Keepers documentary and the Duggar fiasco are sharing the same blog topic. IMO, The Keepers needs to have a space of its own, not sharing space with some d-list reality nonsense.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Janice (#19), blessings to you. Thanks for your courage.

I'm afraid our Facebook, airbrushed, look-at-our-perfect-family culture is making people even more prone to secrecy. We now get daily updates about Bob's raise and Johnny being accepted at Yale and Susie making captain of the debate team...used to be only at Christmas were people forced to put a good face on things.

Dmasy said...

Flimsy (21) -- Excellent comment. Every person has depth and a "story" of their own. Some stories are never shared. We should remember to approach each person we meet with kindness and empathy -- simply because, we never know...

Tucker's Mom said...

The first thing that I remember (after years of therapy) was that my abuser told me no one would believe me. And he was right.
*****
Hi Janice. Thank you for sharing this. How frightening to realize your worst nightmare is true.
I can't even begin to imagine what you've been through.
(((()))

Layla said...

I watched a couple hours of The Keepers last night with my DIL, but it got too emotional for her. I think it hit close to home--she went to that school. This wasn't just a ghost story whispered about in the halls, this was an enormous tragedy that really happened. We're taking a break. I'm going to watch more today, and she wants to watch the rest when she's ready.

Interesting how Jim Boob's lawyer said they are hoping for a "settlement" of 12-15M. Not to be awarded that in a court of law, but a settlement. What makes them think they can bully the city into just handing them the money? They are making this as public as possible, thinking that publicity will force the city to hand them money to shut them up. Bet they weren't expecting city officials to make a statement defending themselves. It sounds like the Duggars have been trying to cash in on this for a long time, and this is just their latest attempt. I'm sure, in their minds, the release of this information caused JB and M to lose their show, and they want that money any way they can get it. Right now it's just the daughters, which means JB doesn't have complete control of the money. That must drive him crazy. So he lashes out--not at the perpetrator (Josh), but at the city. Good luck with that, Jim Boob.

fade2black said...

I couldn't watch The Keepers straight through, I had to take breaks after every couple of episodes to remind myself of my real world. Everything about that school, that kind of religious clannishness, the unquestioning belief in priests and, to a lesser degree, nuns was straight out of my childhood. Even the uniforms and lockers in the hallways were so familiar it shot me right back to my childhood. As far as I know, nothing like the horror at Keough went on at my catholic high school, but I can easily see how it could have. I do see a connection between the Keough tragedy and the Duggar travesty - both occurred, were excused and were covered up in the name of religion.

Confused said...

I do see a connection between the Keough tragedy and the Duggar travesty - both occurred, were excused and were covered up in the name of religion.
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Yes, there are some bare bones similarities, however, the Keepers was a magnificently crafted docudrama that covered a lot of ground. I remember, at one point when I'd finished watching and had collected my thoughts somewhat, "Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely." There are many layers to that powerful story.

Tamara said...

FlimsyFlamsy said... 21
I'm afraid our Facebook, airbrushed, look-at-our-perfect-family culture is making people even more prone to secrecy. We now get daily updates about Bob's raise and Johnny being accepted at Yale and Susie making captain of the debate team...used to be only at Christmas were people forced to put a good face on things.
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People have been unwilling to believe bad things about "good" people since waaaaaaayy before Facebook. It's the same with spousal abuse.

Anonymous said...

My take away from the article was what the church alsways does, either deny it ever happened, or if admitting it had happened, have an attitude of "whats the big desl?" or worst case know it happened and try to sweep in under the rug while trying to appear as if the church has clean hands, Whats scurrilous is not the documentary but the churchs historical and present day attitude towards child sex abuse while those very same children were entrusted to their care and safekeeping!! The church will never learn or change which is why I stopped attending mass or being a practicing catholic going years ago.

laura jean

Anonymous said...

The church loves to play the game of "Hide the pedophile", Some of the parishes mentioned are ones I grew up in,

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/18/nyregion/archdiocese-of-new-york-sexual-abuse-priests.html?_r=0

laurajean

Anonymous said...

The comment I made with the link to the Catholic Leagues comment re The Keepers being scurrilous didn't get posted, Heres the link,

http://www.catholicleague.org/netflix-film-on-church-is-scurrilous-2/

laura jean

Anonymous said...

Research your priest

http://bishop-accountability.org/member/

laurajean

Anonymous said...

"By 1992, Catholic dioceses in the U.S. had paid out four hundred million dollars to settle hundreds of molestation cases. These financial settlements were reached largely to keep the victims quiet: in almost all cases, the documents were sealed and the victims signed a non-disclosure agreement."

Anonymous said...

When Jon left the show Discovery made sure he was financially punished. They made sure that when they were done he had no money, continued conflict with his ex, and sadly I think made it difficult for him to visit his children. All for wanting or refusing to continue a facade of being a happy married couple on TV.
Yet Jim Bob and Michelle have a son that molested his sisters and a non-family member then admitted to more infidelities, and Discovery doesn't sue them? While Jim Bob claims they have suffered damages didn't the network lose tons of revenue? Isn't what Josh has done a breach of the morality clause they have in place, or did they know this ahead of time?
To me it seems that the network is saying you can be a deplorable human being just make sure you do not quit filming!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


It's probably just me but I don't get why the Keepers documentary and the Duggar fiasco are sharing the same blog topic. IMO, The Keepers needs to have a space of its own, not sharing space with some d-list reality nonsense.

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Both stories are about children being molested and the resulting coverup. Why is one more important than the other?

In any case, even if they weren't related, we prefer one thread at a time here. It makes the conversation much easier to follow. There is a semi-colon between the two stories, indicating they are two distinct, though in my opinion, related stories.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Thats not homesexuality, thats pedophilia. And his heinous acts were only only made public years after they occurred and after numerous reassignments to different catholic schools/parishes while also attaining the esteemed position of Monsignor. How does one explain that???

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This may be a spoiler alert so scroll by if you haven't seen it yet. But they interviewed the treatment center where one of the priests was sent. And he dropped a bombshell. He confirmed that yes several priests were sent to the center for treatment decades ago, but that he was told they had depression. He was not told they were there for sexual molestation, and he was not given their file that would have detailed the incidents. When he asked a priest why he thought he was there (seemingly expecting him to say for depression) the priest was honest and said because he molested a 14 year old. The treatment provider was basically like, WHAT?! He then confronted the church and said look I'm happy to provide treatment for sexual abuse but I need to know that's why you're sending this patient here and I want their whole file sent with them so I know what they even did. The church then blackballed him, never sending another priest there again.

The treatment centers were always a joke anyway, but now to find out that at least some of the priests sent there never disclosed why they were there, yet coming back out and claiming they were treated for sexual abuse, is out of this world. This documentary is dropping some even more horrific bombshells than we already knew.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

dren have been the main victims of priestly sexual abuse.

Fact: Since more than 95 percent of all the victims of priestly sexual abuse, as reported by the John Jay College of Criminal Justice, are not prepubescent, that means that adolescents have been the primary victims.


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Oh my god. Even their first FAQ is absurd. First of all, adolescents ARE children. And what does it matter whether the victim is 5 or 15? Neither can consent. Any priest who takes advantage of a minor is sick. Are they implying that older kids are somehow consenting or that it's not as bad if he or she is 15? Arguably, it can be worse to be molested when you're older. Little children really don't seem to realize it's wrong, at least not until decades later. Older kids know when it's happening something is off, not right, but feel powerless to stop it and seem to go through very complex emotions over it. They can feel much more haunted for many more years before disclosing it because they had much more awareness at the time.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Myth: The Church’s repressive teachings on sexuality are the problem.

Fact: It was liberals outside the Church who pushed for the sexual revolution, and it was liberals in the Church who abetted the revolution in the seminaries. Moreover, it was liberals who promoted therapy as the way to deal with molesters, instead of using punitive measures.


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Ha, look at this one. They're attacking you liberals, blaming you for their pedophilia. They blame you for being so soft and making them do things like therapy and yoga and drink green juice.

WTF! Yes, the liberals made you do it.....These people are nuts!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I couldn't watch The Keepers straight through, I had to take breaks after every couple of episodes to remind myself of my real world. Everything about that school, that kind of religious clannishness, the unquestioning belief in priests and, to a lesser degree, nuns was straight out of my childhood. Even the uniforms and lockers in the hallways were so familiar it shot me right back to my childhood. As far as I know, nothing like the horror at Keough went on at my catholic high school, but I can easily see how it could have. I do see a connection between the Keough tragedy and the Duggar travesty - both occurred, were excused and were covered up in the name of religion.

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I had a very cookie cutter public school, non-religious school experience throughout childhood, where my teachers were kind and trustworthy and never put us in compromising or uncomfortable situations, but it's interesting to me how so many people seem to be touched just seeing all the similarities between their parochial school and the one in the film. Fortunately, and I count my blessings more and more these days, my high school experience bore much more of a resemblance to Mr. Holland's Opus, than Keough.

Even if a student was never abused at school, a lot of people have some bad memories here and there of unjust or unreasonable things that happened at school either at the hands of students or teachers. This doc seems to have hit all the right notes in terms of highlighting how innocent and carefree that time in your life is, how we all want that Mr. Holland experience during those precious years, and how jolting it is to young people when someone disturbs that.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


#11 I firmly believe one of the only ways to put a stop to some of this is to ensure that we are raising children in a culture where not only is it supported to disclose sex abuse but we demand that it be disclosed.... I am an incest survivor. The first thing that I remember (after years of therapy) was that my abuser told me no one would believe me. And he was right.

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That's awful, I'm sorry. We must also create a culture where children (and adults too, frankly) know if they tell the truth about abuse, we will believe them.

Layla said...

Anonymous (28)

I agree--the Duggars don't look at Josh's molestation as a family matter. They show no interest or concern for the trauma to their daughters. It's all about the money they have lost as a result of the story getting out. That shows where their true priorities lie. If they truly believe (as they always said) that children are a gift from God, then they should protect and nurture those gifts. But somehow, their "gifts from God" are less important than the money they could make by exploiting those "gifts". The girls still have a show. They are making money for their own families. JB is outraged that the money does not come to him. It's not "his" show any longer, he is not in charge of the cash, and that drives him crazy. If it were any other parent, it would drive him/her crazy to think of what happened to their precious daughters.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Interesting how Jim Boob's lawyer said they are hoping for a "settlement" of 12-15M. Not to be awarded that in a court of law, but a settlement. What makes them think they can bully the city into just handing them the money? They are making this as public as possible, thinking that publicity will force the city to hand them money to shut them up.

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Poorly played on the Duggar's part. They're NOT going to just write a check. Idiots. The press release from the city reassured me. They're not going to just hand over taxpayer dollars to this money hungry family, a family even willing to make a buck off their children's molestations. The city knows what's up.

The city knows the city did the right thing disclosing this, and that the public backs them up, and is willing to fight this. Good on them.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


It is a documentary full of facial close ups that allow you to see deep into the eyes of the story teller.

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I was noticing that technique. All these women in their 60's now are beautiful. Jean reminds me of Glenn Close, but much more vulnerable looking. I love seeing their school portraits from yesteryear, many of them great beauties.

The love they had for their teacher, and the guilt some feel over her death, was palpable. You just want to hug them and say that was NOT your fault!!!

Susan1956 said...

Layla 24 . . .

Isn't JimBoob the girls' manager? I thought I read something about that or maybe I just assumed he still had that type of control.

capecodmama said...

I'm doing one of the crossword puzzles in the Sunday Cape Cod Times Sunday Funday insert and the clue for 17 across is "One of the Gosselin sextuplets".

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Capecodmama (#44), uh oh, don't let TFW find out. She'd probably try to find a way to make money off of it.
"Can we sue?"

Anonymous said...

Ignorance at it's finest:

http://www.catholicleague.org/facts-priestly-sexual-abuse/

laurajean

NJGal51 said...

Off current topic...

Milo's current rant on IG (with a picture of 3 dogs sitting):

No one much notices me on #IG...I post pic after pic...share what to me are special moments and if its a good day half a dozen folks stop by to "like" my moment in time. So how refreshing it is to have to company of dogs! I just raised my voice a bit...added a lil tone of concern and ALL THREE immediately sat down...looked at me and waited for my next word! (followed by a bunch of # which I won't bother with).

Good old barbgilmer1 responds: I know exactly what you're talking about! Our lives and our pets mean something to us! It's sad that people have to be hooked on themselves so much to notice what is going on around them in OTHER PEOPLES LIVES!
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I guess both of them are getting tired of TFW never paying any attention to them.

Sheepless In Seattle said...

Sad but true (#4), good grief, Gladys is obsessed. Chatting, however one-sidedly, with a stranger on a Saturday night and hashtagging "#YourBed?"

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Gladys has always been, and forever will be, obsessed with Kate's bed, as well as her bathtub. Creepy beyond belief.

Anonymous said...

dmasy, I'M the one to apologize. You didn't spoil anything. sorry for being rude.

-amy-

FlimsyFlamsy said...

NJGal51 (#47), aah, Gladys at her passive/aggressive finest.

She's ignored on Insta, but says she gets comfort from the love of her dogs. But doesn't she claim to have 2 teenage children? Doesn't she get comfort from their love? Maybe they haven't figured out how to meet their mother's needs, like the amazing TFW'S kids do. Which, according to Gladys, means they're immature.

And if you need complete strangers to acknowledge your personal "special moments," you just might be a narcissist.

Layla said...

Susan1956 (43),

I haven't heard anything about JB being his daughters' manager, although that is possible. Would they need a manager? TLC probably just went to them and offered the same contract that their parents had. But I can see JB trying to exert some sort of control over them and insisting that they need him to negotiate for them.

JB and M did they same thing Kate did--they set themselves up in a lifestyle that would be difficult to maintain without a show. They even have a private plane! They must have thought they could milk reality TV forever, and the disruption of that fantasy sent them scrambling for someone to blame--and for money.

NJGal51 said...

And Milo answered Barb with: Just the way it is. Remember this is the #Selfie generation in more ways than just taking pictures.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Milo wants attention and sympathy as much as a manipulative teenager. She laments the lack of response to her social media. Her social media posts are probably not that interesting, first of all. Second of all, there is something wrong with you if you are measuring your self worth by your likes.

If someone is not getting responses on the internet and they find this troubling, I suggest they pick up the phone and call their friends and family, text them, swing by. Set up a date with them, put the phone away and just enjoy being out in the community. You get as much as you give out of relationships, and I've found that many people simply have difficulty engaging primarily over social media. You have to reach out some other way or lose the connection and you can't take it personally because they honestly haven't even checked instagram in days.

It's that old saying maybe the reason you haven't found Mrs. Wright is because you're not Mr. Right. Maybe the reason Milo isn't getting much love back is because she doesn't give it well herself. Hounding and pestering and being obnoxious is not love.

Jamesvader1194 said...

@Admin Its very strange though because i remember milo posted about how she had family and friends over for the superbowl.If she really has any real life friends as she claims then why is she complaining about not being notice on social media?That to me makes me not believe she has any real life friends that she can talk to face to face.

Former Lurker said...

(I'm not sure if this has been posted yet since I missed a bunch of comments that were accidentally deleted)


From back on the previous post:

FlimsyFlamsy said... 101

I'd pay money if someone would ask TFW this question: now that the tups are 13, and old enough to stay home alone, is she now going to look into getting a full-time nursing job? Remember: the thing she claimed was preventing that was that whatever she'd earn in a nursing job would go to childcare. Now that obstacle is out of the way, she can't say the show is her only viable means of employment.
May 18, 2017 at 7:22 PM

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FlimsyFlamsy, someone took you up on the offer and posted a comment on TFW's Instagram pic of Nanuq from a few days ago. And, TFW posted a reply...she claims she DOES have a job(?!):

https://www.instagram.com/p/BUQKvJlAw-K/?taken-by=kateplusmy8&hl=en

monkfish18 Since all the kids are now 13, I guess you will be getting ready to go back to work as a RN, part-time at first, to get used to it and then go full-time. The kids are in school all day and that is perfect.

kateplusmy8 I already have a job and work more than full time on it.... I'd have no extra time to work a second job��. Plenty of people who have a degree in one thing end up working in a different field, not just me:)! @monkfish18

Tucker's Mom said...

Milo's current rant on IG (with a picture of 3 dogs sitting):

No one much notices me on #IG...I post pic after pic...share what to me are special moments and if its a good day half a dozen folks stop by to "like" my moment in time.
*****
Truly sad but representative of social-media replacing real relationships. Life is not made any more whole or enriched because you get "likes".

Tucker's Mom said...

Good old barbgilmer1 responds: I know exactly what you're talking about! Our lives and our pets mean something to us! It's sad that people have to be hooked on themselves so much to notice what is going on around them in OTHER PEOPLES LIVES!
*****
Barb's sounding a bit "hide the bunny" ;-)

Tucker's Mom said...

They must have thought they could milk reality TV forever, and the disruption of that fantasy sent them scrambling for someone to blame--and for money.
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Agree, Layla. Sounds like a money grab to me.

"I'm suing you for $15M, but will entertain offers"

Actually, sounds like extortion.

Of these two parties, Boob has a LOT more at stake when this morass gets dragged out in public for another media feeding frenzy.

I hope the police and/or county? state? Boob is suing makes a monkey out of him.

Tucker's Mom said...


kateplusmy8 I already have a job and work more than full time on it.... I'd have no extra time to work a second job��. Plenty of people who have a degree in one thing end up working in a different field, not just me:)! @monkfish18
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Kate's "job" is staying famous and keeping herself and her children on tv and in the media.
I truly believe Kate sees her beauty regime and treatments, spending hours scouring her name on the internet, posting on social media and yapping on her iPhone trying to get more press to be "work".
I do believe that years ago, when J+K+8 was HUGE and they were filming nonstop, that she and Jon were truly incredibly busy with the production and promotion of their show.
She's just not filming or making media appearances or book tours all that much anymore. Filming is condensed into as little time as possible.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


kateplusmy8 I already have a job and work more than full time on it.... I'd have no extra time to work a second job��. Plenty of people who have a degree in one thing end up working in a different field, not just me:)! @monkfish18


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They've filmed a mere handful of episodes over the past 18 months. What, pray tell, is she doing with herself the rest of the time that is "more than" full time? Or is she talking about all the time she spends on the internet trolling for freebies.

Tucker's Mom said...

Kate doesn't even have Coupon Cabin or a part-time blogging job anymore. She has not been active on her own blog at all.
What a bunch of b.s. that she's got no time to go back to work part-time.
Kate will always have an excuse. She is done with nursing, and that's fine, just be honest that you wouldn't be caught dead doing it anymore.
100% it's for the best that Kate Gosselin never practice nursing directly or indirectly with human beings ever again.
She's got zero empathy, nor does she have the desire to flex her intellectual muscle.

Tucker's Mom said...

Or is she talking about all the time she spends on the internet trolling for freebies.
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LOL, I just post the same thing. Yes, Kate justifies that and much more, calling it 'providing' and managing her 'corporation'.

NJGal51 said...

kateplusmy8 I already have a job and work more than full time on it.... I'd have no extra time to work a second job��. Plenty of people who have a degree in one thing end up working in a different field, not just me:)! @monkfish18
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She has to mastermind everything don't cha know. Also, as a producer she's got to come up with new scenarios all the time..."Hey, I've got a great idea! Let's film the tups 13th birthday party. We haven't done that yet."

Kate is a twit said...

kateplusmy8 I already have a job and work more than full time on it.... I'd have no extra time to work a second job��. Plenty of people who have a degree in one thing end up working in a different field, not just me:)! @monkfish18
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Her "full time" job is self promotion. Posting pictures of her "best friend" Nanuq takes a lot of her time.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Former Lurker (#15), thanks so much for pointing that out! What a hilarious response from TFW. I may be wrong, but I think that was the closest she's ever come to flat-out admitting she has ZERO intention of ever returning to nursing.

I would so love to know what TFW, a self-confessed napped who is lazy to the core, considers working "more than" full time.

Kylie said...

I think Milo's post was directed straight at Kate. She is both fixated and jealous of her at the same time. What a dolt she is!

Susan1956 said...

kateplusmy8 I already have a job and work more than full time on it.... I'd have no extra time to work a second job��. Plenty of people who have a degree in one thing end up working in a different field, not just me:)!
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It's all about the marketing. I envision Katie Irene sitting at a cluttered desk, dialing numbers on her little pink iphone. She's probably been blowing up the phones of the DWTS producers for the last 7 days.

http://hollywoodlife.com/2017/05/16/dancing-with-the-stars-junior-abc-2018-series/

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Kylie (#66), yeah, I think you're right. Over the years,Gladys has lobbed many a passive/aggressive grenade at TFW -- usually tacking on an "LOL" to shield her from any criticism. She is a snotty person, and her faux positivity has never fooled me. She gives as good as she gets.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

For working more than full time she sure doesn't have much to show for herself. I would expect someone working full time would fix their web site. Maybe she's one of those people who spends most of the day with water cooler talk and other chit chat and actually only does two odd hours of real work a day. But would swear to a full work day on their mothers grave.

GollyGee said...

Layla, you are 100% right! He is outraged because he was such a camera hog on the show. He is totally in charge. I often wondered if the money that Jill and Derik get from TLC actually goes to Jim Bob and j and d set up a fund to ask for donations to fund their missionary lifestyle.

Dollars to donuts, I think JB gets a cut of their money for Counting On for arranging the show with TLC. He has made money his Idol. He is dreaming of a big ol' payday with the PD and I wish that the lady that JB accused of maybe taking a bribe would sue him.

A woman, having the nerve to sue the great Patriarch Jim Bob Duggar, actually have a case against him and actually winning a judgement against him. That would be so delicious!

FlimsyFlamsy said...

TFW working full time:
Post about super-duper tote with amazing moisturizer? Check!
Post about awesome energy tea not approved by the FDA? Check!
Post imaginary hilarious dialogue between me and my dogs? Check!
Whew, I'm beat -- can I stop off at the spa between my botox treatment and my next vacay?

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Susan1956 (#67), that sure looks like something TFW would want to push M into. If only she hadn't torched that bridge.

There's a hilarious King Of Queens episode where all of the local nail salons ban Leah Remini's character, Carrie, for being difficult. She goes from shop to shop, and each one says they're too busy to give her a manicure. And while she's in one salon, she sees a picture of herself coming through the fax machine, warning them about her! I think that's what it must be like for TFW.
Just about everyone is on to her.
I'm sure TLC is on to her, too, but will continue to use her as long as she knows how to help them. Sound familiar?

Tucker's Mom said...

FlimsyFlamsy said... 71
TFW working full time:
Post about super-duper tote with amazing moisturizer? Check!
Post about awesome energy tea not approved by the FDA? Check!
Post imaginary hilarious dialogue between me and my dogs? Check!
Whew, I'm beat -- can I stop off at the spa between my botox treatment and my next vacay?
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Bingo!

If Kate considers actual filming to be work, then the kids are also working.
The kids are also working on the nights and weekends they are forced to do all of the couch interviews for each and every episode.

Sad but true said...

So funny that K8 thinks she's working "more than full-time." Obviously, she counts motherhood as one career, but the second? Do 8 episodes in 18 or so months really count as a job, LOL?

The Busbys, OTOH, sound like they're in the midst of the full-on TLC treatment. They posted on their Buzz World page on May 11:

"This pretty much sums up the past week perfectly in our home. It has been one of the busiest weeks that we have had since filming has started. We have been working on a MAJOR marketing campaign for the show that will be seen on nearly every channel and every major magazine. The Busbys are going to be all over the place pretty soon. It was exhausting, but such an amazing experience and we can't wait until you get to see the result. #OutDaughtered"

Somehow I don't think we're going see any MAJOR marketing campaign for K+8-1 for whenever the next "season" is going to air.

kris said...

FlimsyFlamsy said... 50
And if you need complete strangers to acknowledge your personal "special moments," you just might be a narcissist.
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Yes, Yes, Yes, a thousand times YES!! Everyone that comments on Milo's IG is strangers she's "met" through K8's social media sites. Where are her friends & family? I think she keeps her social media kept quietly tucked away from them, which is so weird.

JM said...

Re: Duggar Lawsuit .... I bet the Duggars have been trying to get money from the defendants they listed for some time but came up against the statute of limitations; one of the key dates they mention in the lawsuit, I think the publishing of the story date, was May 20, 2015. So if its a 2 year statute of limitations, they filed just before the deadline on that. That's how a lot of cases work; negotiations are going nowhere because the other party won't negotiate at all and you have to file to protect the statute deadline. Sometimes the filing of a suit will spark some action by the other side, sometimes not. Based on the city's response, I'd say they don't want to participate in negotiations at all!

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Tucker's Mom (#73), and the kids are doing all that PLUS going to school, which fills not only their days, but keeps them busy nights and weekends with homework and projects.

Tucker's Mom said...


"This pretty much sums up the past week perfectly in our home. It has been one of the busiest weeks that we have had since filming has started. We have been working on a MAJOR marketing campaign for the show that will be seen on nearly every channel and every major magazine. The Busbys are going to be all over the place pretty soon. It was exhausting, but such an amazing experience and we can't wait until you get to see the result. #OutDaughtered"
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Yup, Jon + Kate 2.0. Non-stop filming, crew Daddies and production invading the home, traveling, schlepping toddlers hither, tither and yon instead of giving them consistency and privacy.
I'm sure the Buzz parents think they're the only ones working and exhaustedish.

Tucker's Mom said...

So if its a 2 year statute of limitations, they filed just before the deadline on that. That's how a lot of cases work; negotiations are going nowhere because the other party won't negotiate at all and you have to file to protect the statute deadline
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Very interesting, JM.
Shows how adamant Boob is about extracting some money from his daughters' pain.

Tucker's Mom said...

FlimsyFlamsy said... 77
Tucker's Mom (#73), and the kids are doing all that PLUS going to school, which fills not only their days, but keeps them busy nights and weekends with homework and projects.
May 22, 2017 at 9:38 AM
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Like Mady filming that stupid Gosselin trivia game in the basement.
"Like, uhmugawd, like, can we hurry up? Like, I have homework, ya know".

GollyGee said...

JM, I believe your right.

The city wouldn't bow down for a long time to the great Patriarch, so he had to file to force them to defend themselves.

I would like to know as soon as the PD released the report, I wonder how long it took the fame hog to start whining about a settlement.

He shouldn't get a penny of the money. It should be split between the 4 girls. I am sure he would be happy to claim it all, but the girls will need it for normal counseling later in life.

But, OTOH, he deserves to lose. He should pay for their real counseling because he was totally responsible to protect those girls and he failed, miserably!

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Another new celeb cooking/lifestyle show on Food Network: Ayesha's Home Kitchen, starring Ayesha Curry, who is the wife of basketball star Stephen Curry. Another job poor
best-selling New York author TFW couldn't snag.

The episode I watched today featured Ayesha's sister-in-law and her mom.
Schmoopy has both, but has kicked both to the curb.

Tucker's Mom said...

You know what I'm really going to be curious about when the Duggar's lawsuit goes forward? Just how much their famewhore propensity to live their lives in the public eye affects their case.

Yahoo has an article about Jessa's open love letter to her husband for his 22nd birthday. In it, she reminisces about being in her dotage at age 20, gazing upon his 17-year old hunkiness, wondering if he thought her and her shriveled, moth-eaten eggs were too old for him.

Frrrrrricking yuck!

"I'd found out your age, and calculated that I was 2 1/2 years older than you. Surely he wouldn't be interested in an older gal, I reasoned. He's a teenager, and I'm already twenty!"

Most responses are scathing and point out the hypocrisy of posting such private, highly personal things publicly, while trying to sue for millions for the FOIA release with REDACTED names.

Tucker's Mom said...

The episode I watched today featured Ayesha's sister-in-law and her mom.
Schmoopy has both, but has kicked both to the curb.

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I would bet that if Kate did manage to get some interest from Food Network (remember she tried to court them?), the fact that she could not offer the usual cast of characters would have sunk her.

Ree Drummond, Trish Yearwood, Valerie Bertinelli and many more have a vibrant cast of people, deep ties in their families and communities and a general watchability.

NJGal51 said...

In order to have a cooking show TFW would have to be able to do more than dump things from cans into a pot and come up with her own recipes rather than using Blue Apron.

Layla said...

Soooo, what do you all think about the Gs failure to land a People magazine cover for the tups' 13th birthday? Does anyone believe that Kate just decided to let the kids have a quiet, private birthday? Anyone? Neither do I. I think she was working overtime trying to squeeze every dime out of it that she could, probably for months. So, can we assume that nobody was interested? How can that be? This is the Gosselins! Kate now has EIGHT (count 'em, 8!!!) teenagers! Shouldn't this be the story of the year? And yet...no magazine covers (with big paychecks for Mom) of them all romping around in coordinating white outfits. No trending stories. No headlines. Nothing. Of course, there will be an episode about it, but considering how hard she would have worked to cash in, that's not much.

Former Lurker said...

FlimsyFlamsy said... 65

Former Lurker (#15), thanks so much for pointing that out! What a hilarious response from TFW. I may be wrong, but I think that was the closest she's ever come to flat-out admitting she has ZERO intention of ever returning to nursing.

I would so love to know what TFW, a self-confessed napped who is lazy to the core, considers working "more than" full time.

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FlimsyFlamsy, I think you're right about that. This is definitely the first actual confirmation TFW has given that she has no plans to ever be a nurse again. I look forward to seeing what she says when the kids are all grown and gone. What will be her "job" and excuse then, when TLC is gone and so are the kids? Heck, she might as well admit that she's "retired" in her fifties and doesn't have to work since she made so much much money exploiting and working her kids their entire lives.

Like you, I'd love to know what she considers working "more than" full time. She has more free time than any mother I've ever known, and that includes mothers who work outside the home and those who don't. Unlike other moms, she's never been a room parent who helps plan class parties, a parent who volunteers to help out at various school events, a parent who goes on field trips, a busy parent who spends hours and hours each week shuttling the kids back and forth to the various sports and activities, (practices, games both near and far, music lessons, play rehearsals, etc). She also spends far less time than most parents actually going places and doing things with her kids. She's almost exclusively house bound. Plus, we all know how much help she has.

Also, unlike most people her age, she has no responsibilities with regard to her parents. She spends zero time visiting them, helping them with things around the house, or taking them to doctors' appointments. She also has no demands on her time for ANY family events like most of us have, primarily on weekends. She has 52 free weekends a year since she has NO family celebrations to attend like birthday parties, graduation parties, weddings, bridal showers, baby showers, christenings, holiday gatherings, heck, even backyard barbecues.

She has a TON of free time in her lonely, sad, pathetic life.

Former Lurker said...

Another thing about TFW's comment regarding her "job":

kateplusmy8 I already have a job and work more than full time on it.... I'd have no extra time to work a second job��. Plenty of people who have a degree in one thing end up working in a different field, not just me:)! @monkfish18

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She claims she's "working in a different field" than what her degree is in. What field is that? By stating it that way, she's clearly not referring to motherhood as her "more than full time" job. She appears to be referencing her reality TV "career". Well, that isn't even close to even a part time job and we all know it. She's a total joke and loser!

ncgirl said...

"kateplusmy8 I already have a job and work more than full time on it"

Why doesn't she just be honest for once in her life. "I'm filthy rich off the backs of my children, don't need to work, and don't want to be around mediocre people."

Tucker's Mom said...

Layla said... 86
Soooo, what do you all think about the Gs failure to land a People magazine cover for the tups' 13th birthday? Does anyone believe that Kate just decided to let the kids have a quiet, private birthday? Anyone?
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Privacy?

Excuse me...HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Whew, gotta catch my breath.....HAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAHAAAAA

;-)

I'm not ruling out a People cover to usher in the new season of Kate Plus 8, however. Kate and TLC will need to carefully market the continued filming sans Collin.

I think putting 5/6 tups on the cover for their 13th birthday would have been way too controversial.

Tucker's Mom said...

Also, unlike most people her age, she has no responsibilities with regard to her parents. She spends zero time visiting them, helping them with things around the house, or taking them to doctors' appointments. She also has no demands on her time for ANY family events like most of us have, primarily on weekends. She has 52 free weekends a year since she has NO family celebrations to attend like birthday parties, graduation parties, weddings, bridal showers, baby showers, christenings, holiday gatherings, heck, even backyard barbecues.
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Excellent point. What exactly is on her dance card?
DH and I just flew to visit his parents. My MIL got her (other) knee replaced and we were there for several days helping her when she came home from inpatient rehabilitation.
MIL and FIL really needed help to get all the meds and equipment straight, get home care visits set up, help around the house, not to mention fix umpteen things (mostly tech stuff).
Family means giving of yourself and Kate does none of that.

I take her "job and a half" with less than a granule of sugar.

Rainbowsandunicorns said...

A woman, having the nerve to sue the great Patriarch Jim Bob Duggar, actually have a case against him and actually winning a judgement against him. That would be so delicious!

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What would be more hilarious? If Boobie got caught with his pants down with a hooker, a la Jimmy Swaggart. "I have sinned." Babykins stands by him and says "Babies are a gift from the Lord. Let's make another one. You're forgiven."

Tucker's Mom said...

Why doesn't she just be honest for once in her life. "I'm filthy rich off the backs of my children, don't need to work, and don't want to be around mediocre people."
*****
Yup, Kate would need a cattle prod to go back to nursin.

Tucker's Mom said...

Kate just sounds insulting about her "more than a full-time job". It's a slap in the face to real single mothers who work full-time jobs, have no help and no time to even think about pampering themselves, all just to live and pay the bills in their mediocre lives.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Layla (#86), I bet it really stung TFW when she didn't score that birthday People cover. I have no idea how much that pays, but I assume it's a decent chunk of change. I wonder if People didn't want any uproar about another cover without C. Or maybe someone there, unlike at TLC, has some integrity.

Anonymous said...

Possibly that "working in a different field" refers to following one of her dogs around her "field" as the dog chases turkeys. She had to get that on tape to post to her Instagram account - hard work.

bm

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Plenty of people who have a degree in one thing end up working in a different field, not just me:)!

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She acts like she left the esteemed career of nursing to go pursue the esteemed career of firefighting. She left nursing to go exploit her kids, and has the nerve to call her scheme a career change, like she went back to school later in life to pursue her true passion. She's something else.

She got into nursing not because like most people she wanted to help people while still having a great career path and stable yet noble job. She got in to marry a doctor. When that didn't pan out, she had no use for it anymore. She will never go back, there's no reason to.

Tamara said...

I wonder if her more than full time job is because she has 8, count em' EIGHT, children to raise whereas all those other mediocre mums out there only have to deal with a piddly single kid or two or three. Even they they're not all the same age. AND they have fathers. The father of Khate's children (what was his name again) tragically died a few years back leaving her with EIGHT children and no money. In fact, he left her with debt, huuuugge debt. And, um, with a public hunting her with cameras. And..... tornados!

localyocul said...

OMG I work a 40 hour full time job plus a 16 hour Saturday job. GMAB

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


OMG I work a 40 hour full time job plus a 16 hour Saturday job. GMAB

$$$

And I bet you don't exploit anyone doing so too.

Sheepless In Seattle said...

She got in to marry a doctor. When that didn't pan out, she had no use for it anymore. She will never go back, there's no reason to.

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Is it too late for her to find a rich doctor to marry?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Is it too late for her to find a rich doctor to marry?

$$

She's likely made more money than being married to a doctor would have made her. She's made her choice. Besides this way she doesn't have to have sex now and again. Win win.

Former Lurker said...

TFW likes to pretend she has EIGHT times the amount of work because she has eight kids. But, she has it much easier with just two sets of ages in just two school grades. She could never handle having four kids that are all in different stages and grades in school. That truly requires a ton of juggling between their different schedules, school obligations such as homework, projects, and tests to study for, plus their different activities. She has no idea how busy those mom are compared to her. And many of them also work jobs outside the homes as well.

Susan1956 said...

It will be interesting to see the next few People covers. I think Pippa Middleton will have this week's cover if just for the coverage of the part her royal nephew and niece played in the ceremony. Also, Joy-Anna Duggar's wedding was supposedly to have taken place this past Saturday also. If she doesn't score a People cover or at least a two page story in the magazine itself, JimBoob will be very upset.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

When TFW so blithely mentioned that many people work in another field, she omitted a crucial difference: they don't put their CHILDREN to work to do it. The G kids did NOT sign up to be TV personalities, no matter how many times she tells us about their family "vote." As Jacob Roloff said, all the trips in the world will never make up for the carefree childhood stoln from these children. She is a horrible mother.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

She made a career change that was in her best interest. She didn't care about what was best for her children. The idea that she would categorize herself as any other adult making a career change is truly outrageous.

Sad but true said...

Former Lurker said... 103
TFW likes to pretend she has EIGHT times the amount of work because she has eight kids. But, she has it much easier with just two sets of ages in just two school grades. She could never handle having four kids that are all in different stages and grades in school.
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It must have seriously rocked her world when Collin had to leave LCDS. OMG, ANOTHER SCHEDULE! She had it made in the shade with 8 kids at one school for the entirety of their schooling; in fact, that was kind of a prerequisite for this TV life she insisted on having. Without the same vacations, the show would be that much harder to do. No wonder she seems not at all perturbed at his absence. The world can go back to turning on Axis K8, with no disruptions because one kid needs to go somewhere else or requires extra help.

Sad but true said...

Re the non-existent 13th-b'day People cover, I think that People got a veritable flood of negativity when they published the one last August which announced Collin's departure from the family. Unless and until he comes home, I don't think we'll be seeing another cover story, at least not one that focuses on the kids. But let's not forget that TLC and People are now officially and publicly in some kind of partnership, so nothing can be ruled out.

Sad but true said...

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 104

She didn't make a career change, she bred one.

RoxyHelen said...

Tucker's Mom #78
The Gardners remind me most of Jon and Kate. They grift everything they can, the mom will do anything to get out of caring for the girls, they are constantly on "date nights" and they do not discipline the girls and feed them junk all the time. They are entitled: ex. the dad was outraged that McDs wouldn't allow him to order through the drive through on FOOT, with the four girls in a WAGON (can you imagine if a car came speeding and hurt him or the girls?), the mom recently spend mother's day...away from the tiny people she mothered and so on. They didn't buy a fourth high chair, they just hinted until someone donated it. I don't know about the busbys but the Gardners are disgusting. They film the girls both on the YT channel and TLC.

Tucker's Mom said...

I wonder if Kate has control over bringing Collin home. At this point, people are going to question wth could be so wrong with this young boy that he has to be separated from his family and/or institutionalized for over a year.
Watching Kate giddy over her dogs, on vacation after vacation, throwing yet another birthday party for the tups without Collin just can't sit well with anyone who has a conscience and moral compass.
It's not like Collin is severely autistic or has some profound developmental disability which made it impossible to care for him at home. He seemed like a pretty normal kid, maybe on the spectrum?, with some behavioral issues that needed to be addressed.
Never in my wildest dreams, when I heard he got kicked out of LDS, did I think he needed to be cared for outside the home until adulthood.
At this point, I don't think Kate will bring him back unless she realizes that the public will totally turn on her and she'll lose her show unless Collin comes back.

Tucker's Mom said...

Former Lurker said... 103
TFW likes to pretend she has EIGHT times the amount of work because she has eight kids. But, she has it much easier with just two sets of ages in just two school grades. She could never handle having four kids that are all in different stages and grades in school.
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The 8 are not all in different sports, organization, band etc. They don't go to camp or enroll in anything as individuals.
Parents with half the amount of kids are way busier than Kate.

Tucker's Mom said...

. No wonder she seems not at all perturbed at his absence. The world can go back to turning on Axis K8, with no disruptions because one kid needs to go somewhere else or requires extra help.
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Kate doesn't even try to hide her sheer glee that she's been unburdened from the daily feeding and caring for of Collin
Gosselin.

Tucker's Mom said...

Also, Joy-Anna Duggar's wedding was supposedly to have taken place this past Saturday also. If she doesn't score a People cover or at least a two page story in the magazine itself, JimBoob will be very upset.
*****
Didn't Duggar's wedding get suddenly moved up from the Fall, and hmm, it seems very under the radar.
I wonder why?????

Tucker's Mom said...

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 102

Is it too late for her to find a rich doctor to marry?

$$

She's likely made more money than being married to a doctor would have made her. She's made her choice. Besides this way she doesn't have to have sex now and again. Win win.
*****
Kate strikes me as a women who likes friends with benefits and no commitment. She's not looking for a husband unless he will make an excellent, profit-bearing prop.
I don't think she'd look twice at a man who isn't wealthy, and wealthy men (like Jeff) don't need the bullsh*t of reality tv and fauxlebrity.

Tucker's Mom said...

RoxyHelen said... 110
Tucker's Mom #78
The Gardners remind me most of Jon and Kate. They grift everything they can, the mom will do anything to get out of caring for the girls, they are constantly on "date nights" and they do not discipline the girls and feed them junk all the time.
*****
They sound reprehensible, really. I watched a little on YT awhile back and they were repugnant in their delusion that they are somehow special or even remotely interesting.
I feel sorry for their kids.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Sad but true (#74), I remember when Mama Busby said their family wouldn't be effected by fame because, as she so smugly declared,
"We are the Busbys!" Well, if you're bragging to the world about the upcoming major publicity push
for your FAMILY..well, sister, you're already effected.

You can't tell me there hasn't already been at least one instance when one of the Busby toddlers, or their big sister, has had an earache or a fever and filming continued anyway. Because their parents have had to put their kids' wellbeing second to the needs and demands of a production company. We've seen this movie before, and we know how it ends.

Jacob Roloff's recent warning about reality TV reminds me of Mrs. O'Leary's cow yelling, "Fire! Fire! Fire!" But the Busbys will ignore the alarm.

Blowing In The Wind said...

I don't think she'd look twice at a man who isn't wealthy, and wealthy men (like Jeff) don't need the bullsh*t of reality tv and fauxlebrity.

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Does this mean that Hispanic Elvis and the foot fetish guy don't stand a chance in hell with her?

Susan1956 said...

Tucker's Mom said... 114

Didn't Duggar's wedding get suddenly moved up from the Fall, and hmm, it seems very under the radar. I wonder why?????
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Rumor is that she's pregnant. Not sure I believe that. I think the courtship will be shown on Counting On this summer so maybe they want to end the season with a wedding for the sake of ratings. I get 'news blurbs' about the Duggars across my FB feed--supposedly Jinger is pregnant with a girl and due December 16th. JimBoob and clan don't take to twitter/Instagram to tease the fans like KatieIrene, but they pick and choose what they share when it suits them.

I think they're running out of courtships and weddings since the older boys aren't currently courting. JimBoob must miss the appearances on the Today Show for the big reveals about the latest pregnancy and such.

NJGal51 said...

RIP Sir Roger Moore. Although he was a good James Bond I liked him as The Saint more than I did as Bond.

Tucker's Mom said...

Does this mean that Hispanic Elvis and the foot fetish guy don't stand a chance in hell with her?
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Nahhhhhhhh ;-)

Tucker's Mom said...

You know Boob misses the trips to NYC!

Sad but true said...

Tucker's Mom said... 114

Didn't Duggar's wedding get suddenly moved up from the Fall, and hmm, it seems very under the radar. I wonder why?????
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I read somewhere that they put Joy's b'day as the date on the wedding-present registry, as they had to put something and no doubt did not want to divulge the real date. Rumor is it's happening imminently. I saw some comments about the gift list including lots of power tools, which some speculate will go straight to the parents instead of the happy couple. Anyone who doesn't think the Duggar weddings/pregnancies are not big business for all involved is deluding her/himself.

Susan1956 said... 119, I believe there is one boy courting. Not surprisingly, the girl looks like one of his sisters.

Layla said...

ncgirl (89)
I think that if People sold well with Kate and kids on the cover, they would do another one whether C was there or not. They'd just add a teaser on the cover saying there was an update on his situation inside. I think the magazines with the Gs just don't sell all that well, especially now that C is gone. People are losing interest. She didn't even score a couple minutes on one of those Access Hollywood-type shows. Nobody was interested. The public has spoken.

I find it laughable that she thinks she has 8 times the work since there are 8 kids. I spent years shuttling kids to baseball, football, rugby, lacrosse, music lessons, drama, play practice, math competitions, science fairs, and even one who did some TV stuff (that son has long since lost interest in TV and is a pre-med student now). It's a huge job, but having accomplished, well-rounded kids is well worth the effort. Not that Kate would know. I don't get the idea that having well-rounded kids is part of her plan.

RoxyHelen said...

Just to paint a more vivid picture(and because I'm stunned and need to share this with you): Gardner Squad Mom (Ashely) just spend a week at Disney World. Alone. While dad stayed at home with the 4 girls(who are old enough to enjoy at least the smaller rides and the atmosphere at disney). What kind of mother goes to disney and leaves the kids at home?

RoxyHelen said...

So many wrong things with all these people(Duggars, K Gosselin, Gardners, Busbys-based on what you're saying)...Notice how the decent ones get cancelled from TLC or are never even given a show in the first place. Remember the other family with sextuplets? The ones who had two sets of twins as well? Their kid were pretty polite, they adressed each other respectfully, the parents didn't treat each other like Jon and Kate.Table for twelve was it? They got cancelled after two seasons I think. I remember actually enjoying watching their show but I guess it wasn't controversial enough. Their kids were always encouraged to be independent and the dad still worked, mom took care of 10 kids, one of whom had special needs by the way. That little girl Rebecca had quite severe CP, certainly her challenges were bigger than Collin's yet I'm willing to bet that not once did it occur to that mom to send Rebecca away(sorry I cannot remember their last name). Why do you think people prefer watching Kate gosselin instead of that nice family?

RoxyHelen said...

Final comment I promise, I just remembered, the table for twelve family was the Hayes and when they celebrated the tups 5th(?) birthday, the kids had actual friends over and the mother kept saying that the guests should not have brought presents times 6. That she doesn't expect people to do that since it's not like they're twins, they're tups and it's a special situation. Can you remember Kate ever saying "oh God that's just too much stuff?"

Susan1956 said...

Sad but true said... 123

Susan1956 said... 119, I believe there is one boy courting. Not surprisingly, the girl looks like one of his sisters.
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Which one? I know the one boy was courting, but it was called off and the almost-a-Duggar-wife wrote a book (her memoir?)that had a mild rebuke of the Duggar life (she was courting at the time of Josh's scandal(s)). Is the one boy trying again?

FlimsyFlamsy said...

RoxyHelen (#125), whoa, nelly, that's bad! She sounds like TFW's long-lost sister.

kris said...

FlimsyFlamsy said... 117
You can't tell me there hasn't already been at least one instance when one of the Busby toddlers, or their big sister, has had an earache or a fever and filming continued anyway.
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There have been several episodes filmed around daughter Hazel's eye surgeries and I believe she was in the hospital once for a UTI?

And you can bet they've been affected by the fame, when the family went to NYC, they were walking together and one of them (I think the husband) said to the other "I can't believe this is our life now" and was quite giddy when he said it.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

RoxyHelen (#127), TFW has never uttered the phrase, "No, you shouldn't have." Her rallying cry is, "Who am I to say no?"

Sad but true said...

Susan1956 said... 128

It's Joseph Duggar, and the girl's name is Kendra Caldwell. I have never watched the show, so I don't know one boy from another. But I think it was Josiah who was dating someone named Marjorie (I think she recently published a book? LOL), and she broke up with him right when the Josh news hit the fan.

Tucker's Mom said...

The Hayes family seemed lovely. Mom and Dad were decent people and Mom didn't try to turn into Garden State Barbie.

RoxyHelen said...


FlimsyFlamsy said... 131

RoxyHelen (#127), TFW has never uttered the phrase, "No, you shouldn't have." Her rallying cry is, "Who am I to say no?"
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Had she asked me that, my answer would have been: You are someone who has more than enough, you are also someone public who could tell all these fans to send the gifts to children who unlike yours, who go on 5 luxury trips a year and get b*day extravaganzas, have never seen such toys and do not have winter coats at all, let alone such expensive ones.

Tucker's Mom said...

Had she asked me that, my answer would have been: You are someone who has more than enough, you are also someone public who could tell all these fans to send the gifts to children
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My impression is that Jon and Kate were getting loads and loads of gifts and freebie when their show hit it big. Kate continues to accept gift for her children, who, to the best of my knowledge, have never personally said one "thank you".

RoxyHelen said...

Tucker's Mom said... 135

Had she asked me that, my answer would have been: You are someone who has more than enough, you are also someone public who could tell all these fans to send the gifts to children
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My impression is that Jon and Kate were getting loads and loads of gifts and freebie when their show hit it big. Kate continues to accept gift for her children, who, to the best of my knowledge, have never personally said one "thank you".
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That's just depressing. Compare that to the McCaughey septuplets who all had jobs to pay for their phones and save up for college(for living I think, because they do have scholarships) who most likely are familiar with the word thank you. They are all off to college and not all of them are going to the same college(I believe they are split 3-2-2) and all have different career choices. My heart breaks a little because I'm not sure the Gosselin kids will ever get where these other children are and it's not even their fault. I hope they turn out ok but between beying poorly raised and dealing with some pretty tough stuff(forced filming, early abuse,parental alienation, one sibling removed from home, messy, hateful, public divorce etc) I feel like the odds are pretty much stacked against them.

By no means am I saying people can't overcome adversity but these kids are still currently living a stressful life and I'm not sure how they could get out of it. No expensive iphone, no new puppy, no mansion is going to fix the parental alienation and their vanished sibling.

Perhaps a bit extreme but I heard someone the other day saying "some people are so poor that all they have is money". I really think to some degree, that applies here.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Roxyhelen (#134), I still say one of TFW'S tackiest moves was selling clothes on consignment which she'd gotten for free. She was on record saying she would "pay it forward," as her family had been so blessed.
But the only kind of service she's interested in is lip service. Oh,
and room service.

Not charity minded? That's not a crime. Too busy to find an organization in need willing to come pick up your donation? Fair enough. But to make time to schlep a bunch of things to a consignment shop, and then make a second trip to collect your cash? When you're worth millions? Blech.

RoxyHelen said...

FlimsyFlamsy said... 137

Not charity minded? That's not a crime. Too busy to find an organization in need willing to come pick up your donation? Fair enough. But to make time to schlep a bunch of things to a consignment shop, and then make a second trip to collect your cash? When you're worth millions? Blech.
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This. I am not trying to sound like some mother Theresa. I really don't do that much(shoebox at Christmas and I did some volunteer work just not in the last year or so) plus maybe trying to help out in the moment if I can. That is literally bare minimum. My problem with Kate is that she doesn't seem to even do that. It would have been so easy to say on TV "thanks for all the gifts but please in the future send them to needy kids, as we have been blessed enough and have all we need now". Also she wouldn't have to find a charity, she is rich enough to PAY people to do it all for her. The fact that she took time to sell donated clothes is so horrible.

Sad but true said...

Pathetic Milo over on Twitter trying to get K8 to engage in a conversation---any topic will do, apparently.

Fired Up 4 Kate Retweeted Fired Up 4 Kate
If you decide 2adopt another pup...maybe a smaller breed...might we expect this from ur KGS dogs? LOL https://twitter.com/MiloandJack/status/867058995709698048 … @Kateplusmy8

Fired Up 4 Kate‏ @MiloandJack 2h2 hours ago
In a world so fractured/broken by hatred, anger and intolerance...it's very hard to remain positive & joyful! God help us all! @kateplusmy8

Fired Up 4 Kate‏ @MiloandJack 2h2 hours ago
With all that moms have 2do every single day...top of the #ToDoList 2day...conversation w/our kids about #TheWhy? of violence! @kateplusmy8

Aw, really, Doofus? So you wanna talk about either K8's #KGSs giving imaginary pups a bath OR terrorism? Are those the only two items on your agenda? I highly doubt K8 is going to take any time to sit down and go over "#TheWhy?" of anything with her kids, since she doesn't have a clue about "the bombs or whatever."

GollyGee said...

RoxyHelen, Flimsy, remember years ago when they stopped at the ice cream store and the boys, the were so little, were outside of the shop and they were having a ball, rolling down the hill in the green grass.

That itch went out there and jumped all over them about getting dirty and grass stains and how hard she was gong to suffer scrubbing and cleaning them.

Then in another episode when all the boys went golfing with Jon, the boys wouldn't get out of the cart because they were afraid of messing up their clothes. Jon said, your mother has done this to you she's insane, something to that affect.

Now, I know why! She was given those clothes for free, wielded her Iron Fist in all of the kids faces and dared them to even put one, just one stain on their clothes. She wanted those clothes in mint condition so she could drop them off at the consignment shop to sell and make pure profit.

When the babies were born, many people donated clothes baby clothes and other items like household things and I think she had them all taken to the consignment shop. How could you treat your own children like this? The stress level being so careful not to stain your playclothes?

SHE'S RUINED!!!

She is a horrible mother.

GollyGee said...

RoxyHelen, thank you for doing the Operation Christmas Child shoe boxes! I have been doing it for 14 years. I also do artwork on the inside of the shoe box lid. It gives me such joy to be able to do it!

If anyone is interested in the OCC shoe boxes, just go to YouTube and you can watch quick little clips of children opening their own box and the joy on their face is priceless. My dream is to see a clip and see a child open a box up and I see my art work on the box lid! What a treat that would be!

It is through Samaritans purse, a ministry of Billy Graham.

If you want to help in some way, but really don't want to pack a box, you can buy stuffed animals, crayons, school supplies and take it to the collection center in your area during collection week in November, every year. All the info you need is on the OCC website.

The children that get these boxes have never been given a gift before in their lifetime. The age catagories are:

Boys 2-4
Girls 2-4
Boys 5-7
Girls 5-7
Boys 10-14
Girls 10-14

The category that gets the fewest boxes is:

Boys and Girls 10-14 (most needed)
Boys and Girls 2-4
Boys and Girls. 5-7

The 10-14 girls are the most needy for washable feminine pads. I had no idea until I read an article about how the girls miss 4 months of school a year due to this. I am going to try to make no sew washcloth pads and make extra for filler that can be boxed up and Filler on the box so they can put them in the girl boxes.

My heart goes out to those girls.

Tucker's Mom said...

Not charity minded? That's not a crime. Too busy to find an organization in need willing to come pick up your donation? Fair enough. But to make time to schlep a bunch of things to a consignment shop, and then make a second trip to collect your cash? When you're worth millions? Blech.
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Blech to telling the world that the Gosselins are giving back, when it's only done when the cameras are rolling and you're getting paid to do it.
Oh, and it comes with a free vacation.

Tucker's Mom said...

My heart breaks a little because I'm not sure the Gosselin kids will ever get where these other children are and it's not even their fault. I hope they turn out ok but between beying poorly raised and dealing with some pretty tough stuff(forced filming, early abuse,parental alienation, one sibling removed from home, messy, hateful, public divorce etc) I feel like the odds are pretty much stacked against them.

*****
If the majority of them successfully get into and complete an undergraduate degree program, I will be surprised.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Tucker's Mom (#143), for all of TFW's bragging about what wonderful students her kids are (Top of class!
Every single one! Um, except the 2 who were suspended!), she certainly doesn't act like education is a high priority.

What have we heard TFW say about school? School means summer fun is over. School means not getting to sleep in. School means getting up at the crack of dawn to drive her 7 little meal tickets to the school bus stop. School means lame field trips. School means parent/teacher
conferences too boring for her to endure without tweeting.

And the absolute worst thing about school? Not having unfettered access to those meal tickets for constant filming. Because Mom decided to "work in a different field."

Sheepless In Seattle said...

Are those the only two items on your agenda?

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There's also Kate's bed. Thank goodness she dropped the Grow A Boyfriend and Squat Challenges with which she was obsessed for some time!

Has Gladys given up on coaxing info from Kate about Vann the Mann?

Sad but true said...

And it's all #Nunu, all the time.

kateplusmy8 She hasn't fallen asleep in my bed or next to me in almost a year... but she chose today, of all days, to cuddle up next to me... a day when it seems that nothing can fix what's so very wrong in this world, but this little girl sure helps.......if just a little.. #Nanuq #SableKingShepherd #ThisMomsBestFriend #MyFurryTherapy

And given her Twitter comments earlier, this seems just slightly disingenuous from Doofus:

miloandjack2016 Dogs are keenly aware of what we need at just the RIGHT time! That's why they often are so perfect as #TherapyDogs! How wonderful that your girl #Nanuq sensed your emotional need today! ❤ What did she detect in your mood? Amazing aren't they?@kateplusmy8

C'mon, Milo, can't you tell when K8's feigning compassion? Or is she just upset because something with filming is not going right? Get her to tell you, lol.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Kate definitely falls in the camp of celebs who love to make tragedies all about them. I wasn't sure she even heard about it, so color me surprised.

Tamara said...

Tucker's Mom said... 143
My heart breaks a little because I'm not sure the Gosselin kids will ever get where these other children are and it's not even their fault. I hope they turn out ok but between beying poorly raised and dealing with some pretty tough stuff(forced filming, early abuse,parental alienation, one sibling removed from home, messy, hateful, public divorce etc) I feel like the odds are pretty much stacked against them.

*****
If the majority of them successfully get into and complete an undergraduate degree program, I will be surprised.
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If the majority don't have a serious substance abuse problem I will be surprised.

Jamesvader1194 said...

@Admin You forgot to add Milo as well,she loves making all these tragedies about how it effects Kate.Like right now miloandjack2016 I can imagine what happened in Uk...at a concert attended by so many young girls hit home w/you? Thinking of all the times you went w/Mady & Cara!! Parent's worst nitemare over there...😧 @kateplusmy8

Sad but true said...

Yes of course, Milo, YOU explain K8's deepest feelings to the masses. Cuz super-busy-working-way-more-than-full-time mom-of-8 just doesn't have the ability and/or inclination to explain herself.

miloandjack2016 I can imagine what happened in Uk...at a concert attended by so many young girls hit home w/you? Thinking of all the times you went w/Mady & Cara!! Parent's worst nitemare over there...😧 @kateplusmy8

"All the times"? We know of ONCE. Milo's filling in all of K8's blanks with whatever she fantasizes is really starting to go beyond the pale.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


@Admin You forgot to add Milo as well,she loves making all these tragedies about how it effects Kate.Like right now miloandjack2016 I can imagine what happened in Uk...at a concert attended by so many young girls hit home w/you? Thinking of all the times you went w/Mady & Cara!! Parent's worst nitemare over there...😧 @kateplusmy8



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Milo is so immature and self absorbed. Almost everyone has done something that terrorism has hit. From going into a high rise to running a race to eating in a restaurant to going to an airport. Eye roll. Is that how they filter everything in the world, through the me-me-me lens??

FlimsyFlamsy said...

OT...the 2nd season of the Leah Remini Scientology show stars with a 2-hour episode Monday night. Really looking forward to it.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

It's so freaking obnoxious when Gladys talks to TFW as if she's some tender hearted, fiercely protective mama bear. She's not. Her young son has been away for a YEAR and she acts as if the child never existed.
Gladys is just trying to control the narrative again.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


It's so freaking obnoxious when Gladys talks to TFW as if she's some tender hearted, fiercely protective mama bear. She's not. Her young son has been away for a YEAR and she acts as if the child never existed.
Gladys is just trying to control the narrative again.

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Those two deserve each other. They have shown far more worry and concern for strangers' children hurt or killed half a world away than Kate's own son, gone a year. When did she ever hug her dog in the past 12 months, missing HER child?

Former Lurker said...

*****
If the majority of them successfully get into and complete an undergraduate degree program, I will be surprised.
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If the majority don't have a serious substance abuse problem I will be surprised.

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If the majority of them don't have eating disorders, or at least some serous issues with food, I will be surprised.

Former Lurker said...

Poor TFW needed comforting today (I seriously doubt that, she's simply pretending):

https://www.instagram.com/p/BUdOXPPgM2X/?taken-by=kateplusmy8&hl=en

kateplusmy8 She hasn't fallen asleep in my bed or next to me in almost a year... but she chose today, of all days, to cuddle up next to me... a day when it seems that nothing can fix what's so very wrong in this world, but this little girl sure helps.......if just a little.. #Nanuq #SableKingShepherd #ThisMomsBestFriend #MyFurryTherapy

nick_moy I strongly believe that animals especially dogs have a special sense of what their human family are going through.. and just knows how to comfort us. Nanuq is a SPECIAL dogs who is acutely tuned in to you... hope all goes well.

supercalafragilesexy My animals are always at my side when I am sick or depressed. Animals have a way of knowing such things. Sending love❤️

miloandjack2016 Dogs are keenly aware of what we need at just the RIGHT time! That's why they often are so perfect as #TherapyDogs! How wonderful that your girl #Nanuq sensed your emotional need today! ❤ What did she detect in your mood? Amazing aren't they?@kateplusmy8
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k8i31 What's wrong Kate?

nonaof2 She knew just what you needed. Dogs are marvelous @kateplusmy8 ��

sabrinab123Awwwww ❤❤❤❤❤

miloandjack2016 I can imagine what happened in Uk...at a concert attended by so many young girls hit home w/you? Thinking of all the times you went w/Mady & Cara!! Parent's worst nitemare over there...�� @kateplusmy8

jamiepumpkin3 Can't wait to cuddle her!

kalbers26 She knew just what you needed! ����
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Jamie's hinting again that she will be there for a visit soon.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Former Lurker (#156), you know what's conspicuous in its absence from that Poor TFW string of posts?
The slightest concern or curiosity about how her 8 kids -- one who doesn't even live at home -- are dealing with the tragedy. Has TFW asked they how they feel? Kids their own age were brutally murdered. Might'nt THEY have been in need of comfort and reassurance at bedtime? Some extra attention and affection? Or maybe letting Nanuq sleep in one of their rooms for the night? And even if it was mostly a girls' concert, boys could be just as scared hearing that any children out having fun could be randomly attacked.

James Corden said something right after the attack on his show, like, hold your kids close tonight. But that's not how Super Mom TFW rolls.
Instead SHE needs comforting. She doesn't have a nurturing bone in her body.

Maybe the kids' feelings did come up in later posts. But it's so significant that TFW'S first response was All. About. Her.

Tucker's Mom said...

On Kate's IG about NooNoo finally sleeping in her bed, there's a response from someone who'd JUST lost their dog, and someone who'd love a dog, but can't have one because they have a very ill mother receiving hospice care.
Kate doesn't seem to have responded to either.
SMDH

I assume Kate was alluding to the Manchester bombing victims, but she doesn't have either the guts or awareness to express her sympathy for the victims and Manchester in general and just obliquely addresses how it affects HER.

Jamie sounds like a school girl on Kate's social media.

Tucker's Mom said...

When did she ever hug her dog in the past 12 months, missing HER child?
*****
Kate seems like a weight's been lifted from her shoulders.

Tucker's Mom said...

I hope Collin has a dog or a pet to help him feel safe, comforted and not alone.

swimgirl said...

I can't believe that TFW and Milo are making this horrible attack all about TFW!!! Neither has any compassionate words for the victims or their families. Seriously, could these two be any more self absorbed? Well, I guess TFW is the self absorbed one and Milo is the TFW absorbed one.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

The slightest concern or curiosity about how her 8 kids -- one who doesn't even live at home -- are dealing with the tragedy

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That's what I'm thinking. This attack was more upsetting than others for kids. Rarely is an event specifically for children and young people so directly targeted. That can be scary and hard to understand. And we have to understand that most kids these days don't remember 9-11, they fortunately haven't been through something violent that felt so close and frightening and come out the other side stronger knowing life will go on. How are YOUR kids, Kate? They okay?

Nicky said...

So, I was bored yesterday, and after reading here, I went and looked at Milo's IG - the one about her lamenting that no one likes her posts (grow up!). So, one of the ppl who liked her post has a user name ZigZag or something. I thought it was that weird Ziggy from years ago, that was involved in all that fan/non-fan crap. Well, it wasn't. It was that mom Jules from Australia, who I believe was the one who travelled to meet Kate at that Steve Irwin dinner.

Anyways, she was just in the US, and more specifically, Reading, PA, to deliver a rescued Koala there ( or something like that - I'm really too lazy to go back and look). Someone said something in the comments that she should have visited Kate, and she said she was too busy.

Anyways- thought it was interesting, as Milo says everyone who meets Kate in person loves her. And wasn't Kate going to dedicate herself to Koalas? LOL!

NJGal51 said...

kateplusmy8 She hasn't fallen asleep in my bed or next to me in almost a year... but she chose today, of all days, to cuddle up next to me... a day when it seems that nothing can fix what's so very wrong in this world, but this little girl sure helps.......if just a little.. #Nanuq #SableKingShepherd #ThisMomsBestFriend #MyFurryTherapy
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So why are we assuming that TFW needs comfort and succor because of what happened in the UK? Katespeak again and, as usual, it's rather vague. Let's face it, if it doesn't directly affect TFW she doesn't care. It could be that she's feeling blue because TLC told her they'll only be filming "X" number of episodes this year, there will be no car for the twins, there will be no grand vacation this year AND this is her last season (one can only hope). Milo is reading into it what she wants it to be and she's once again trying to divert the conversation in the direction that she thinks it should go. So far, TFW hasn't risen to the challenge and sent out any sympathy to the families that were affected by the blast.

Tucker's Mom said...

Anyways, she was just in the US, and more specifically, Reading, PA, to deliver a rescued Koala there ( or something like that - I'm really too lazy to go back and look). Someone said something in the comments that she should have visited Kate, and she said she was too busy.
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Wait, KATE was too busy to meet someone from kiwi-birds-with-no-arms land who brought a real koala to Reading, PA?
Whoa.

Tucker's Mom said...

Kate's not in tune to "bombs or whatever".

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Pumpkinbottom hinting that she's visiting soon makes me think she's coming to help chaperone (read: paycheck, free vacay, and camera time) the next G family TLC vacation.

I wonder if Jamie checks in on her own kids when she's away. Or does she support her BFF's out of sight, out of mind method of parenting
("no news is good news").

GollyGee said...

FlimsyFlamsy said... 152
OT...the 2nd season of the Leah Remini Scientology show stars with a 2-hour episode Monday night. Really looking forward to it.

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I just saw an ad for the show. They told a lady that they checked her airline flights. She was shocked. She said, You checked my airline flights?

Speaking of Scientology, I was thinking about Tom Cruise when he jumped on Oprah's couch, which was awful. He wasn't thinking because he was SOOOO in love with Katie Holmes.

I thought, why not have a trampoline over to the side and let him jump on it and answer questions all during the show? lol

Sad but true said...

Tucker's Mom said... 165
Anyways, she was just in the US, and more specifically, Reading, PA, to deliver a rescued Koala there ( or something like that - I'm really too lazy to go back and look). Someone said something in the comments that she should have visited Kate, and she said she was too busy.
******
Wait, KATE was too busy to meet someone from kiwi-birds-with-no-arms land who brought a real koala to Reading, PA?
Whoa.
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And someone whom she's actually met?? Who traveled across Australia to meet her? Something doesn't smell right here. I wonder if this is possible episode fodder.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Admin (#162), and with 7 kids at home, that's 7 individual psyches to deal with. TFW so often divides them into groups: twins and tups, or girls and boys. But each one of those kids would have their own unique feelings about what happened in Manchester. An attentive parent would bring the subject up, and not just assume the kids would come to her with any apprehensions.

TFW isn't really into the "heavy lifting" of parenting. For her, it's more about restaurant-quality breakfasts and expensive gifts and kudos from strangers that laud her as an amazing mother. But the nuts and bolts of being a mom? Caring, compassion, empathy, guidance,
sacrifice, patience, kindness, understanding, and gentleness?
Not so much.

Rae Barnes said...

OK did the puppies just had their first birthday??? How can it be almost a year since it cuddled with her in her bed??? She is such a liar! It is not like they have been around for years and you lose track of time, one year ago they would just be getting them!!She just makes up stuff as she lies
about her boring life!!!

Tucker's Mom said...

FlimsyFlamsy said... 167
Pumpkinbottom hinting that she's visiting soon makes me think she's coming to help chaperone (read: paycheck, free vacay, and camera time) the next G family TLC vacation.
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Yup. Are the G kids done with school yet?
You know Kate's got filming lined up before they can change out of their school clothes.

Kate is a twit said...

Wait, KATE was too busy to meet someone from kiwi-birds-with-no-arms land who brought a real koala to Reading, PA?
Whoa.
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The way I understood it was that the person from Australia was too busy to meet Kate. This is what she posted when asked why she didn't visit Kate:

"I had a very full agenda with precious friends."

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Rae Barnes (#171), you're absolutely right. TFW adapts the facts to fit her narrative. Saying it's been a whole year makes it more dramatic that the dog felt the need to come to her aid -- tender-hearted, sensitive soul that TFW is.

Even the freaking dogs have been parentified. I wouldn't be surprised if Zorro is now giving her neck rubs with his little wings.
No living creature is safe in that house.

Kate is a twit said...

kateplusmy8 She hasn't fallen asleep in my bed or next to me in almost a year... but she chose today, of all days, to cuddle up next to me
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Before Kate makes posts like this, she should really check her other IG postings.

Picture of Nanuq asleep on her bed, posted Aug. 5, 2016:

kateplusmy8At this point, I have to HOPE AND PRAY I'll end up with ONE measly pillow to sleep on.... #NanuqOwnsMyBed #MakLovesTheCoolFloor #ShokaGuardsMyRoom

https://www.instagram.com/p/BIv9UfQjhHN/

Picture of Nanuq asleep on her bed, posted Sept. 7, 2016:

kateplusmy8My baby girl sleeps....and smiles. 😍Goodnight everyone! Kids, dogs and bird all tucked in for the night! #Nanuq

https://www.instagram.com/p/BKFGL3gDXpu/?taken-by=kateplusmy8

FlimsyFlamsy said...

KIAT (#175), I was secretly hoping you'd deliver the goods! Thanks for doing the research.

Nicky said...

Kate is a twit said... 173
Wait, KATE was too busy to meet someone from kiwi-birds-with-no-arms land who brought a real koala to Reading, PA?
Whoa.
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The way I understood it was that the person from Australia was too busy to meet Kate. This is what she posted when asked why she didn't visit Kate:

"I had a very full agenda with precious friends."
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That's how I read it as well. My point was, that Milo (and all the sheep) state everyone who meets Kate loves her. This woman flew across the world with a freaking koala, was very near Kate, and didn't say boo. I think it's hilarious, and reaffirms what we have seen over the years regarding Kate and her "relationships". She always f's them up somehow.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Nicky (#177), I agree. She was so close to where TFW lives. If she truly wished they could have gotten together, I think she would have conveyed that. I think TFW's "everyone who meets me loves me" theory has been disproven often.

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JoyinVirginia said...

OT: Dancing With The Stars finale was Tuesday night, it was a terrific show! I would have been happy with whoever won. There were guest appearances by LOTS of prior contestants. Tfmjg was not one of them.
Monday night episode, Tom Bergeron the host was very professional and sincere, at the end of the show he addressed that while DWTS was going on they had heard the news of what was happening in Manchester and wanted to express sympathy for ther people of Manchester. It was obvious from the facial expressions of some of the dancers, they had no idea what had happened and were hearing about it as the credits rolled. I heard about it on Facebook. Amazing that so much actual news, events add they happen, can be communicated via Facebook.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

If Koala Lady had asked TFW if they could meet, TFW would probably have played the crazy-busy single mom card and said things are sooo hectic as the school year wraps up. Hey, maybe the woman did ask, and is too embarrassed to admit that -- not wanting to make TFW look bad.

GollyGee said...

Picture of Nanuq asleep on her bed, posted Sept. 7, 2016:

kateplusmy8My baby girl sleeps....and smiles. 😍Goodnight everyone! Kids, dogs and bird all tucked in for the night! #Nanuq

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She lies, again! Not all 8 were tucked in bed in the compound!

Collin wasn't.

NJGal51 said...

I agree Admin, I thought the finale of DWTS was great. I'm glad that Rashad and David were the top two. I was following the results on twitter and thought it was funny that all of Normani's fans were calling "foul play" because she was the best dancer and it was a "popularity contest". Well no shit sherlock! It's always been a popularity contest and if they want it based strictly on the best dancer they're going to have to go by judges scores alone....and level the playing field. Either all have some type of dance training or none do. I liked David's attitude. He knew he wasn't the best dancer and that the fans got him to the finale and he said he was dancing for them. A class act all the way (for a Cubbie).

Sorry I deleted my comment above but I was cleaning fingerprints off my iPad and hit the delete button.

GollyGee said...

Koala gate. lol

Either the Australian lady is not admitting that TFW said she was too busy and didn't want to get embarrassed or the AU lady didn't want to meet with her because the way TFW treated her.

Or they are filming and filmed with the Koala bear.

Hmmm...

GollyGee said...

I think that Jamie's wording, can't wait to cuddle, can't wait to do this at TFW's place is code speak for filming.

This is the only times that she comes to visit her when she is filming and she gets paid for it.

Tucker's Mom said...

Just beginning to stream 'The Keepers'.
Catholic High School. The Scarlet Letter. Romeo and Juliet. Young, vibrant, fresh-faced, milky-skinned nuns in habits.
I'm emotional already.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Joy in Virginia (#180), what a dope TFW was to burn that DWTS bridge. She could've been sitting in the audience every subsequent season. She could've been asked to participate in the live tours.
That could've led to appearances
on other ABC projects. When you're kind and hardworking, people will,work with you again and again. But if you're a snotty, lazy heifer, well...don't call them, they'll call you.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Opening credits music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pw238jNysao

I haven't seen this mentioned yet but the score to this thing is really moving and helps bring you to the farthest reaches of your emotions. Couldn't be more perfect. The violin playing triplets furiously throughout the opening credits, the duet the eventually happens with the piano main theme, the synthesizers droning as if echoing a young girl's haunting cries. It was written by Blake Neely, who also did the score to Everwood, which I also loved.

And the closing credits, which vaguely remind me of Schindler's List: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_0lCeeGHxw

Confused said...

Interviews with Ryan White, director of The Keepers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmrD9zdaSwU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qysb4y3mKH8

Tucker's Mom said...

Joy, did you hear or read about the Richmond, VA couple who had sextuplets recently? I just saw it on the news.
There was no mention of how they conceived, but they had 3 boys and 3 girls.
Our local news team was talking about them this morning and made lots and lots of comments about suddenly having 6 kids, and all that college tuition.
In all their banter, not a mention of the famousish Gosselins, or "call Kate Gosselin for advice".

Another story in the news is a pregnant high school senior who got pregnant while going to her Christian school, which violated her "contract" and she's not allowed to participate in graduation despite being a straight-A student.

(The agreement included no drinking, drugs, sex...)

I wondering what a lawyer would have to say about minors signing contracts, or parents signing for them. What the news piece showed was 2 separate agreements: one for the parents and one for the student.

GollyGee said...

I think is horrible that the school won't allow the pregnant girl walk to get her diploma. She has every right to. It would be a great lesson in forgiveness and redemption. I would think an attorney would jump at the chance about a minor signing a morals contract. They are minors.

When I graduated, there was a classmate who was really showing (first child) and she made the decision not to walk. I felt so bad for her. She didn't want people that didn't know her to think that she wasn't married. But in fact, she had been married for 2 years and was living on a horse farm. Such a sweet girl.

GollyGee said...

I just remembered. In the case of the girl not being allowed to walk to get her diploma, her dad was the school board president and he was so appalled at the schools behavior, he resigned.

He was upset how they treated his daughter. Way to go dad!

That school put the Scarlet letter on that girl and they shouldn't have.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/juliareinstein/this-pregnant-teen-wont-be-allowed-to-walk-at-her-christian?utm_term=.lsmbzVrdZ#.lq1Q7yDJY

Tucker's Mom said...

GollyGee said... 191
I think is horrible that the school won't allow the pregnant girl walk to get her diploma. She has every right to. It would be a great lesson in forgiveness and redemption. I would think an attorney would jump at the chance about a minor signing a morals contract. They are minors.
******
This patriarchal shaming should be a thing of the past. If you do well in school, you should have earned your right to don your cap and gown and graduate with your class.
What having sex has to do with graduating from high school is beyond me.

Tucker's Mom said...

When I graduated, there was a classmate who was really showing (first child) and she made the decision not to walk. I felt so bad for her. She didn't want people that didn't know her to think that she wasn't married. But in fact, she had been married for 2 years and was living on a horse farm. Such a sweet girl.
*****
When I graduated from Catholic high school many moons ago, they were making maternity uniforms and the mothers graduated with the rest of the class.
I remember seeing some of them hold their baby in their arms, wearing their cap and gown.
This is just archaic.

swimgirl said...

I saw an interview with the girl's principal and it made me so mad! He said we all forgive her. They all forgive her? The only forgiveness should some from above as she has done nothing to the principal. Besides we are all sinners, her problem is that her 'sin' is obvious. How do they know none of the other seniors haven't had sex? And who are they to determine what sin is worse than others?

I survived 12 years in the Catholic school system. The year after I graduated, the class president got pregnant. Normally, the president sits on stage but the administration said no. There was a huge uproar with the class deciding to boycott graduation and they finally relented. She went on to get married to the father, graduate from college, develop a successful career and have other children with a very happy marriage.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Let me get this straight. We don't want young people to get abortions but if they do have abortions we're going to publically shame them and make them feel like they're living the scarlet letter. As far as I'm concerned this kind of shame and rigidity is on the same spectrum as the secret sexual abuse that plagued the church.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Correct don't have abortions: if they keep the kid.

Nicky said...

As far as I'm concerned this kind of shame and rigidity is on the same spectrum as the secret sexual abuse that plagued the church.
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Exactly. And also do not provide birth control, so if you can't practice "self-control" (abstinence), then you have to live with the consequences. Isn't it ironic how some births are celebrated (ie: married adults), and some are seen as shameful? (unwed mother). Did they deny the father of the child access to the graduation ceremony as well? Ugh!

Tucker's Mom said...

WaPo article on the Taiwo sextuplets*. No mention of the Gosselins, but it does emphasize more than once how much the Taiwos are attempting to stay private, with no media (besides one photo of them) and keeping their home address private.
How will freebies and a Mercedes Sprinter miraculously arrive at their doorstep?

*The Taiwos were initially expecting quadruplets, but soon after, their doctors found 6 heartbeats. No indication that it was the worst day of their lives.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/sextuplets-born-in-virginia-to-couple-who-spent-17-years-trying-to-conceive-a-child/2017/05/25/f0659b98-414b-11e7-9869-bac8b446820a_story.html?utm_term=.271ede617436&wpisrc=nl_va&wpmm=1

Tucker's Mom said...

As far as I'm concerned this kind of shame and rigidity is on the same spectrum as the secret sexual abuse that plagued the church.
*****
Yes, indeed. The implication, by MEN, is that women who have sex out of wedlock are whores. This is exactly what that cretin priest did to the girls of Keogh H.S.

I also blame the parents for putting their young girls in this horrible, patriarchal and misogynistic institution to begin with.

You don't, as a parent. sign on the dotted line for your female child's body and intact hymen, and neither should any minor.

That kind of control doesn't belong in America.

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