Admin (#198), I think that officer meant to say TFW never "posed" a significant threat, not "opposed" one.
If that's the case, my, we sure have lowered the bar for TFW. As long as shots weren't fired in the vicinity, it's all sunshine and lollipops at G Manor?
@J_Rose_E Jen Rose Retweeted Margaret Meade I'm an officer... considering I am local to her not one time was she nor anyone in her surroundings opposed a significant threat! #oops ======== #OOPS is right. "Opposed" a significant threat? "Posed a threat" is a phrase used in reports all the time and I doubt a cop would get it wrong. But maybe as Admin said it was the wife of a cop, or maybe a meter maid ( didn't we have one of those post when she "witnessed" the kids on the stairs in Philly).
I hit post too soon....I wanted to finish by saying that if she really does work as an officer (dispatcher, whatever), she probably shouldn't be posting things like that on Twitter.
Cops statements usually come from a spokesperson. If individual cops say something it's because their station gave them permission to. I've never seen an individual cop go on a personal twitter account and just start speaking like that.
What's more, no cop would defend someone like that knowing there is a police report out there that describes very erratic behavior. At best, they would say no comment. Cops time and time again have gotten too close to people who have ended up causing serious problems (John Dupont). They know better, now.
So the one who tweeted with Em is back on Twitter. I can't really believe this comment, what a thing to say when we don't know what happened. Based on what we know of him, it's inconceivable to me that his problems involve killing innocent animals.
Sara Snow @SNOWBUNNY_2015 18m18 minutes ago @MiloandJack what gets me is WHY @Kateplusmy8 would trust her. still have screenshots. no conf agreement w EM. I think C killed the chickens
Yes, usually a judge can order a psyche eval. And usually, a parent can't even object to it. If it's ordered, they have to do it.
They aren't always ordered just because someone is acting crazy. Sometimes they're ordered on the whole family when a family is in turmoil, just to try to identify where the family is struggling emotionally and what services would best help serve them. It may very well come out no one has a mental health condition, but that therapy, or in home parenting instruction, etc., would help. For that reason alone the whole family should have a psyche eval done, including Jon and the kids.
Yes, Milo places all the blame for Collin's issues on Collin. Which is strange since she always praises Kate for having great kids, and says that is a reflection of her. When Kate said they were doing great "across the board"' Milo said it was because of Kate' parenting. When Kate said they were all at the top of their class at school, it was a reflection of Kate's parenting. But when a child has behavioral issues, it's the kid's fault. Hypocrite!
Maybe the person who claims to be a police officer on twitter means that Kate never OPPOSED a significant threat because Jon never POSED a significant threat in the first place.
Sara Snow @SNOWBUNNY_2015 18m18 minutes ago @MiloandJack what gets me is WHY @Kateplusmy8 would trust her. still have screenshots. no conf agreement w EM. I think C killed the chickens November 26, 2016 at 6:57 AM TLC stinks said... 7 This Sara Snow is a nut job. There are Twitter crazies on both sides. Anonymous tweet handles can never be believed.
****** That kind of speculation about Colin is just cruel to put out there on Twitter.
That Sara Snow is also the river cow who seems to have a vendetta against one of the regulars on this blog. She is nuts and I wouldn't trust anything she has to say. She plays both sides of the fence.
Sue said... 11 That Sara Snow is also the river cow who seems to have a vendetta against one of the regulars on this blog. She is nuts and I wouldn't trust anything she has to say. She plays both sides of the fence.
I saw a copy of the latest People magazine last night, and who was on the cover, in the upper right corner? Kate. There were a couple pages with pics from when the kids were little, and a few pics from the recent photo shoot. Not much text. It was a "Ten Years Later" thing.
I guess since TLC is not promoting the show, Kate hit up her pal Kate Coyne to do it. The number of pictures and articles they have been doing on the Gs lately is insane.
Isn't EM the one who spent time with the Gs at their house? She told someone that she helped give the kids their behavioral meds and all the fans ganged up on her. I guess for daring to suggest (publicly) that the kids weren't perfect and some needed behavioral meds. The fans always pictured the Gs as a perfect, happy family and were enraged at anyone who suggested otherwise. Turns out--EM was right, but the other fans will never forgive her for bursting their bubble.
And this really goes all back to Kate. I'm not surprised some people take it too far when discussing Collin. I would expect that to happen. And that goes back on whoever disclosed this information to the masses in the first place. That's Kate. How can you talk about this and not expect people to say such things? It's a no brainer.
There was no reason to talk about this. It's no one's business where he is, she is under no obligation to explain his absence. If you think speculation will be too much if you just never say anything, then you don't film when he's not home. It's as simple as that. She did not put him first whatsoever when deciding to talk about this, as is her M.O.
I don't think this person is to be believed. In fact, I seriously doubt it. ===================
I checked out this person's twitter timeline and tweets that she made to Kate. If she's a police officer, she must be a relatively new one, since 3 years ago, she told Kate she was a pre-school teacher.
Jen Rose @J_Rose_E · 5 Jun 2013 @Kateplusmy8 i'm a pre school teacher. You have 2 understand that art work helps many aspects of a child's growth & fills up time.
Here are her tweets to Kate. She's a typical Kate fan--gushing all over about Kate. So I seriously doubt her also.
That's pretty amazing she would tweet out her County number, whatever that is. She could just be making that up to look official.
Their police web site says they field 40,000 calls a year. Would one police officer necessarily be aware of every interaction a specific member of the community has, much less calls that may have gone to other police forces?
Again, I'm not sure how a police officer could say she doesn't cause them problems when clearly, she has. I'm also not sure why a police force would allow someone to make statements on behalf of the department on a personal social media account. At the very least, it's very unprofessional.
I checked out this person's twitter timeline and tweets that she made to Kate. If she's a police officer, she must be a relatively new one, since 3 years ago, she told Kate she was a pre-school teacher.
Jen Rose @J_Rose_E · 5 Jun 2013 @Kateplusmy8 i'm a pre school teacher. You have 2 understand that art work helps many aspects of a child's growth & fills up time.
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Lol. That would be an interesting career shift.
Sounds like she just made up the county number to sound official.
I'm kind of fascinated by catfish and how sloppy they can be. There's no way I can see to look up her "county number" so you'd have to call the police station and waste their precious time.
Also where I've ever been sheriffs are responsible for the county, and police's jurisdiction are their individual towns or cities in the county. Wherever there isn't a police station in a town or small city, the sheriffs pick up the area.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 25 I'm kind of fascinated by catfish and how sloppy they can be. There's no way I can see to look up her "county number" so you'd have to call the police station and waste their precious time.
Also where I've ever been sheriffs are responsible for the county, and police's jurisdiction are their individual towns or cities in the county. Wherever there isn't a police station in a town or small city, the sheriffs pick up the area.
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In PA the State Police are responsible where there is not a local department. The County Sherrifs are basically court guards, transporters, warrant servers.
How is this any different than you making claims about how often celebrities are reported to DCFS? DCFS receives over 150,000 referrals each year. Would one lawyer know about all 150,000 referrals? (That's a rhetorical question, since the answer clearly is NO.)
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You're missing the point. Kate made the point that she is a celeb and therefore targeted by CPS. Utter nonsense, that does not happen. If anything, celebs are treated very carefully and given too much of the benefit of the doubt. As for how would someone know about celebs, well, when they are all sent to the sensitive case unit, which is just one small office in the entire county, and you know people who work directly in that unit, yes it's very plausible that many people, including myself, are very aware how many celeb cases we get (very few) and don't get. We don't get any more celeb cases than we do from parents working any other profession. No more, no less than average. You would be shocked at the celeb who is currently in the system and what they did to their kids, who has managed to keep this case out of the press--it has to be pretty bad to get involved, and this without a doubt warranted involvement. But, it's just not the norm.
I'm not aware of Lancaster, Berks, whatever, having a sensitive case unit for celebs. With only a couple celebs there, that would be quite a waste of taxpayer dollars.
In PA the State Police are responsible where there is not a local department. The County Sherrifs are basically court guards, transporters, warrant servers.
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I see. So wouldn't she identify herself as "state police" then, and not "county"?
Sounds to me like the police are paid by the state, not the counties, correct? Absent a local department.
I don't know why I care, she's obviously a catfish.
In PA the State Police are responsible where there is not a local department. The County Sherrifs are basically court guards, transporters, warrant servers.
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I see. So wouldn't she identify herself as "state police" then, and not "county"?
Sounds to me like the police are paid by the state, not the counties, correct? Absent a local department.
I don't know why I care, she's obviously a catfish.
Really, K8 in People again? Anyone who doesn't think People is somehow profiting from promoting this garbage is kidding themselves (and I don't mean by people buying magazines). I wonder if they take note of any of Jon's recent comments.
I thought that when she said "county number" it was her odd way of saying ZIP code as in the county number is (whatever) and it's Lancaster county. I would hope to God she wasn't giving out a badge number. I wonder if she knows that it's a crime to impersonate a LE officer.
This officer is very active on social media--IG, Youtube, twitter etc. You'd think as an officer of the law, she would know to keep certain things private.
Through a little research, I actually found her FB page.
Yes, she is an officer--a Correctional Officer at Lancaster County Prison, according to her FB page.
So in a way, she is "catfishing", by misrepresenting her actual job.
There isn't here either. "County" law enforcement is the sheriff. Police are paid by the state and cities. I'm not exactly sure if that's typical though.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 30 Oh, and I've never mentioned it before, but I am a sheriff. Badge: 867-5309. County: Mayberry, RFD. ***** Hey now, that's MY number, Barnie Fife!
As a corrections officer she wouldn't have access to police reports as to whether or not complaints have been made against anyone. She'd better hope that someone doesn't report her to the corrections facility because she can delete tweets (I don't know if she has) but you can bet someone's got screen shots.
As a corrections officer she wouldn't have access to police reports as to whether or not complaints have been made against anyone. She'd better hope that someone doesn't report her to the corrections facility because she can delete tweets (I don't know if she has) but you can bet someone's got screen shots.
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Law enforcement/legal is a small community and it's possible she knows cops in various divisions to have a sense for what trouble Kate is or is not causing. It's amazing how much inside information that flutters around this community and how much I tend to hear about various things happening in the community before it's necessarily public, most of it reliable--so I tend to believe she MIGHT hear something along these lines. But, she didn't say she got her information because she knew people or had just "heard".
I always got the sense corrections officers were a little jealous of real cops and some really want to be a real cop. I also thought that many cops look down on corrections officers. Not that they should, corrections is an important, dangerous, upstanding career. But such behavior (I know this or that) can be an indication that she really wishes she were a real cop who does have direct access to this info, and not just stuck in a jail hallway working graveyard hearing information through the grapevine.
In any case, it's a moot point anyway. We have the actual police reports. I can judge for myself whether Kate is a menace to her community. I really don't care about the opinion of a correction's officer.
Yes, she is an officer--a Correctional Officer at Lancaster County Prison, according to her FB page. ---- She's also attempting to establish herself as a 'vlogger' with a YouTube channel. The Kate related twitter exchange & subsequent discussion here appears to be the most attention she's received to date.
"I always got the sense corrections officers were a little jealous of real cops and some really want to be a real cop. I also thought that many cops look down on corrections officers. Not that they should, corrections is an important, dangerous, upstanding career."
Correction's Officers ARE NOT jealous of "real cops". It's a different career choice. Believe me. They are put in just as many if not more dangerous situations They are not armed, where as an inmate may have several weapons on them. When the alarm sounds to assist another officer, they do not know what kind of situation they are facing. Many female corrections officers work in hard core male prisons It is not an easy job. Can be very hard on a person. Corrections officers can make a lot more money than cops too. Money is not always a reason to stay in a job. I know someone that "froze" during an alarm, and quit, the job wasn't for them.
Correction's Officers ARE NOT jealous of "real cops". It's a different career choice. Believe me. They are put in just as many if not more dangerous situations They are not armed, where as an inmate may have several weapons on them. When the alarm sounds to assist another officer, they do not know what kind of situation they are facing. Many female corrections officers work in hard core male prisons It is not an easy job. Can be very hard on a person. Corrections officers can make a lot more money than cops too. Money is not always a reason to stay in a job. I know someone that "froze" during an alarm, and quit, the job wasn't for them.
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Oh I agree, with you, I'm just saying there seems to be a bit of tension between the two professions. Kind of like you see between cops and firemen. Why would she imply she is a cop when in fact she is not?
"I'm an officer... considering I am local to her not one time was she nor anyone in her surroundings opposed a significant threat!"
If this person works at the prison on East King Street, with one phone call, I can easily find out if she's legit. That said, she is not local to Kate. Lancaster County is Lancaster County. Kate lives in Wernersville, Berks City. Never the twain shall meet.
kyle orrell @TheHeDevil 2h2 hours ago @Kateplusmy8 is so lovable. Kate plus 8 always makes me smile. Please have endless seasons of this cause you're absolutely phenomenal
What is with these young, silly, naive boys who have crushes on much older female celebrities? Mommy issues?
If this person works at the prison on East King Street, with one phone call, I can easily find out if she's legit. That said, she is not local to Kate. Lancaster County is Lancaster County. Kate lives in Wernersville, Berks City. Never the twain shall meet.
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Please don't do that. They have better things to do. Still, the fact that she doesn't live right near Kate doesn't mean she hasn't heard or otherwise gotten some inside information. One can obtain information about Kate from anywhere in the country, not just locally, if one is in the right place at the right time.
But her information is Kate has not caused significant threats for law enforcement. We have police reports which show exactly what problems she has caused or not caused. A corrections officer/preschool teacher's opinion about Kate based on the info they may have, is irrelevant.
Lol, I see now she referred to herself as an "officer" but conveniently left out CORRECTIONS officer. So she was being intentionally misleading about her role.
Please don't do that. They have better things to do.
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I wouldn't interfere with anyone on the job. This person is a friend of mine, with whom I speak all the time, not a prison guard, warden, corrections officer, etc., but one who would know the identity of this person. But in the whole scheme of things, you have to take what the alleged officer tweets with the proverbial grain of salt.
The tweeting local officer appears to be a bit on the sneaky side, one who wants attention.
The perceived tension between police and firemen is because firemen are are looked at as saviors while many "civilians" feel like the police are out to get them. Criminal justice 101. I've always felt that the two groups work hand-in-hand and in my daily dealings with them have never felt any tension. I agree with High Sodium Content's comments about Corrections Officers. It's not like in the movies or OITNB.
So on 11/21, the day before K8's big premiere, People Mag published a little slide show on their site. Here's what the header looked like:
What Are Kate and Her 8 Up to Now? More than 10 years after joining the reality TV world – and with a new season of Kate Plus 8 coming in January – the family looks forward
BY PEOPLESTAFF225
Season coming in January? Has TLC changed the schedule again? Or did they just get it terribly wrong? And why on earth do we need an "update" on where they are now when you just published a cover story barely 12 weeks ago? The photos are all from that shoot.
In the photos of everyone, Aaden and Joel are together (all the girls have separate photos, natch). One of them says that he hopes the show continues so he can go bungee jumping. So there it is: These kids absolutely know that without the show, they will not be going anywhere, let alone bungee jumping. What a PoS mother they have.
@Sheepless in Seattle (54) Speaking of Milo,has anyone seen the picture of someone she claims is LOM and their son?If that is her son,then milo must be a blond since clearly hes not getting his hair color genetics from his father. https://www.instagram.com/p/BNPtFF3hLjI/?taken-by=miloandjack2016
I feel sorry for any special needs children whose mothers LOVE Kate Gosselin and her military-style parenting.
Megan Skelton @MeganSkelton7 1h1 hour ago
@Kateplusmy8 I have always loved #KatePlus8 so much. I have 2 boys. One 10 with autism and one 4 with learning dis. #Schedulesarethebest 0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
Sad but true (#56), TFW admitted she goes to the spa once a month. Does she ever spend that kind of money on her children? Do they ever get a treat "just because," when the cameras aren't rolling, and TLC isn't footing the bill? Judging by that bungee jumping comment, I'd say no.
Tizzie (#58), imagine TFW being a role model for anything? Except for what NOT to do?
As far as admiring TFW for keeping strict schedules, I guess that fan doesn't realize that when the kids are filming, all routines are scattered to the 4 winds while TLC calls the shots. So for 10 years, C's needs have taken a back seat to those of a TV network. What's best for him didn't matter to his mother, as long as she continued to ride the reality TV gravy train.
Aside from taking them to an occasional movie (and photographing it to prove she did it), I think the answer is no. Forget about the spa, I'm pretty sure she gets away from the kids overnight at least once or twice a month. Just because.
Sara Snow @SNOWBUNNY_2015 3m3 minutes ago @MiloandJack @Kateplusmy8 they know what happens to naughty boys #collinkilledhischickens theres a hashtag for ya milo
Sara Snow @SNOWBUNNY_2015 1m1 minute ago @MiloandJack @Kateplusmy8 ask @EmilyCreighton what she knows about the chickens #screenshotsaturday
Em's trip with the Gosselins was the summer of 2014 (the New England "adventure"). So have the chickens been gone for over 2 years? What a strange story.
If it's true about the chickens, then Kate filmed TWO more years knowing that this child was in serious trouble. It doesn't get more despicable than that.
I think the chickens are only gone because Collin was the main caretaker of them. I watched the latest special on demand and A and J were taking Styrofoam egg crates from a downstairs fridge. Now those two boys make lunch for everyone. The girls place their orders on post-its the night before. I think it's vicious for such a rumor to be started about Collin with no basis. The chickens have gone to Forrest or elsewhere IMO. Collin was on the show but appeared twitchy and very flat of affect.I guess it was just months before he too was gone.
I have a hard time believing it, too. I thought the same thing as you, that the chickens are gone because their main caretaker isn't there. But what a story to make up. This Snow person won't post whatever DMs she got from Em, which means this is just nasty speculation.
So people are now speculating that C killed the living creatures he'd been tending for years? He's a child, who never asked for this attention, and deserves the benefit of the doubt.
And yet TFW has dug in her heels and says doesn't regret a minute of filming, because she has a decade worth of home movies. She is a horrible mother.
They were also there for the Mother's Day special last year.
I'm not liking this speculation about Collin. Let's just give him the benefit of the doubt. I really think his issues are behavioral and has a hard time dealing with certain things (such as change, etc) without hitting, punching, etc. Delayed emotional coping skills I would say.
I went to EM (Emily's) twitter and found this on Aug. 24th.Another poster her reply of "Absolutely disgusted right now. One word; selfish." But I was wondering what she was replying to. And this is it: "cld this be about Kate dumping Collin off? Institutionalizing him? Yeah. Selfish. And getting $ to talk about it".
Yep EM is out of the Gosselin family just like all the rest. I guess she didn't know how to help Kate either.
I agree that the chickens have gone to Forrest or some other farmer friend because C was their main caretaker and no one else wanted to do it. I really think that rather than just the vague statement that the chickens are gone TFW should have said something like "we decided to rehome them because they got to be too much work and with the kids' schedules we just couldn't keep up with them." Of course there's always the possibility that the great chicken departure will be part of an episode.
Leslie said... 71 I went to EM (Emily's) twitter and found this on Aug. 24th.Another poster her reply of "Absolutely disgusted right now. One word; selfish." But I was wondering what she was replying to. And this is it: "cld this be about Kate dumping Collin off? Institutionalizing him? Yeah. Selfish. And getting $ to talk about it".
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I'm not sure what that Tweet from Em means. She still favorites IG posts that Kate makes which seems to mean there's still a connection.
NJGal51 (#72), if the chicken details were going to be in an upcoming episode, I think TFW would've done one of her obnoxious "stay tuned;)" teases. Unless it's something sad, like they'd gotten sick and had to be given away.
Speaking of missing pets...didn't TFW write some rambling blog post when a fish died, and they had a funeral, and she tried to make herself seem like the bestest, most sensitive mommy in the world?
Another one who understands that what's she's seeing is all for the camera, and to take advantage of TLC paying the tab. Does she really think K8 doesn't know all the labor-saving tricks in the book? And has the money to use them?
XXXXX @XXXXX 1m1 minute ago @Kateplusmy8 just watched 10 year lookback. You need http://peapod.com or http://boxed.com . Would simplify your life!!!
I don't think Em has seen the family in person since trip 2 years ago. A while ago she made a few comments about how she "misses" Kate and Aaden on IG. I really do think Kate cut her off once that whole debacle happened with the DMs.
Sad but true (#76), the ultimate thing that would make TFW's life easier is if she and her kids could live in separate houses. I suppose sending one away was a step in that direction.
A different perspective on TFW's statement about 'no more chickens': It's possible she meant she's not added to the chicken count, nor replaced any that died. As in, we still have the chickens, we just haven't gotten any more. Maybe? lol
True, but the boys got what looked like store-bought cartons out of the fridge. Kate used to keep the chickens' eggs in a bowl in the upstairs fridge and replenish it daily.
Yes, it looks like the 10-year thing was supposed to be a special, and the actual season starts on Tuesday. Hard to tell since TLC is practically ignoring the fact that the show exists. So there will be 3 trips, 2 birthdays, and new puppies. Throw in some shopping and another looking back episode, and that's it. Same as every other season except for the puppies. Snore.
"I don't think Em has seen the family in person since trip 2 years ago. A while ago she made a few comments about how she "misses" Kate and Aaden on IG. I really do think Kate cut her off once that whole debacle happened with the DMs." (Anon 77).
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Em likes older women, for some strange reason. As for being close with Carnie, I doubt it. I've known Carnie for years, and I wouldn't believe that Emily is close to her. She may admire her, fancy herself good friends, but let's just say that most times these celebrity friendships are pretty much one-sided. Shades of Gladys.
I just heard the girls (Wendy and Carnie) on the radio with "Hey Santa!" and it made me think of Emily and Kate and that whole fiasco with Cows. I can't believe that she actually trusted that person, and failed to check out her tweets, profile and such. Of course, we really don't know if all of that occurred, or if it was faked by Cows.
Layla (#83), isn't it a snoozefest? With all the amazing TV options available to viewers in 2016, The Learning Channel presents a family shopping, taking trips, and having birthday parties. Where exactly is the learning in that?
Em likes older women, for some strange reason. As for being close with Carnie, I doubt it. I've known Carnie for years, and I wouldn't believe that Emily is close to her. She may admire her, fancy herself good friends, but let's just say that most times these celebrity friendships are pretty much one-sided. Shades of Gladys.
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It's weird, I saw the very same thing with the celeb I worked for and about three or four fans. These fans really believed they had a close friendship, and in their defense, celeb encouraged it. Calling them out by name in thank you speeches, sending personal notes, etc. Celeb was just using them to do free things. For the longest time a fan ran the official web site, for free, which I guess would be unheard of these days. Another fan would take all the family photographs, since photography was her hobby--that also would have costs, over the years, thousands of dollars to pay a professional. They also relied on fans to organize various meet and greet events, things that you would have to spend thousands of dollars on to pay a party organizer. It bothered me, I felt like they were being taken advantage of. One of them I quite liked, she was moderately disabled, and we pretty much became friends. But I also saw a side of her that was very needy and thus very apt to being sucked in.
Behind closed doors, I heard people say those fans were strange and the kids were never close to them no matter how much the fans may have wanted that. It seemed almost cruel to be so nice to their face but then turn around and bash them, then use them. Ugh, and I know for a fact it's still going on and even worse.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 78 Sad but true (#76), the ultimate thing that would make TFW's life easier is if she and her kids could live in separate houses. I suppose sending one away was a step in that direction.
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Kate used to keep the chickens' eggs in a bowl in the upstairs fridge and replenish it daily.
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Didn't they take the empty cartons to the chicken coop to collect the eggs and bring them back to the house? Or am I remembering that process from another show where they did that? lol
The thing about Em and finagling the babysitting that really struck me? Yeah, that totally happens and has happened. Celebs really are this dumb, and really do sometimes just pull fans out of the woodworks, no background checks, no vetting, nothing, and tap them to do things. Like how this one fan ended up devoting god knows how many unpaid hours running an official web site.
It's a right place right time kind of thing. And one thing I've noticed about rich people is some of them are so cheap they will risk personal safety, like allowing a fan you barely know around your kids, if it's free.
I just watched the program On Demand and made the following observations:
1) Why did Kate have to ask on FILM who was going to Jon's? Then she said she needed to know because she needed to make a Dr. appt. What difference would it make? She still would have had to gone to the school to pick-up up Alexis and the twins. She did that solely for the cameras. And one day her kids will realize this.
2) It was telling that Aaden and Joel both admitted on film that they don't get as much attention as the girls. This was said when they were packing lunches. Then on the couch the boys made the comment that the girls needed to show respect to their Mother and were always arguing. It is all very telling and verifies what we have all thought. And then Kate admits again that her kids all argue as soon as this come home from school. Why all the turmoil in that house? It is because of Kate and what she models for them. Another thing she filmed that is not in her regular routine is grocery shopping with them. And $1,300 is greedy on her part. No doubt TLC picked up the bill. Her basement is stockpiled with goods.
3) And what she did on film that morning was not her normal routine. She even admitted it. She portrayed getting up at 6am and she was up before all the kids. Yet she admits she really doesn't get up until 6:15 or later and the kids have to knock on her door to get her up. Then she is back in the kitchen after the morning drop off cooking dinner and doing laundry. Bull again...she states that she usually cooks in the afternoon and sometimes goes back to bed. She admits she does laundry on Sundays and Mondays. Why Sundays--she should be in church and relaxing with her family. But no she does chores on Sunday when she has over 40 hours to do them when the kids are in school. She said during the school day she is always playing beat the clock. BULLSHIT! She admits her kids help her prep, cook and clean the kitchen. So why she is always so swamped in household chores. She isn't. And when they were finished dinner, a girl with a very bushy ponytail was loading the dishwasher. So she has help that she is not acknowledging.
4) She stated Joel and Aaden got up at 5am to use the one laptop. Why not the girls? And why only one laptop? The woman is a freaking multi-millionaire. And somebody else on this board mentioned that the girls had more computer time than the boys.
5) When she mentioned her divorce she said, "It was just one of those changes that life changes". I swear the woman cannot speak. And to describe your divorce like that is so telling.
6) Her hair is so yucky and her nails are more yucky. Get is cut to the shoulders and take out the extensions. And get rid of those french fake nails. Both are outdated.
7) At dinner one of the 12 year old tups asks if they ate enough dinner to get dessert as she shows her plate to her Mother for inspection. Really? And Collin's left shoulder jerked three times very noticeably and then he was fighting with Alexis at the table. And when they were eating dessert he was banished from the kitchen.
8) It was heartbreaking the way she boasted and talked about all her kids except for Collin. She made a snide remark that he is definitely not layed back (or something like that) anymore. No doubt he will notice this and feel badly about it.
9)And why does the world need to know Joel felt good enough was good enough and Kate had to give him the "talk" that it wasn't enough. And Kate asking her 11 year old how badly he wants to succeed in life and telling him it starts with him helping her finish the igloo.
Then she said she needed to know because she needed to make a Dr. appt. What difference would it make? She still would have had to gone to the school to pick-up up Alexis and the twins. She did that solely for the cameras
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She's so stupid. You don't make any doctor's appointments during Jon's visitation time because you are to bring ALL the children to his visits. It's as simple as that. What a lame excuse to bring up visitation.
Admin (#90), many of us were surprised when Em cozied up to the G children at that event. And what was Mama Bear's response? Oh, a pretty young blonde! Well, kids, hop up on her lap! I guess she passed Rat Claws' test somehow, because she apparently wasn't wrestled to the ground. My guess is she came bearing gifts. That's a sure-fire way to get her attention. But, as Mrs. Uggs will tell you, it doesn't last.
IIRC, Bethenny Frankel hired her #1 fan to work on her show, or her blog-something like that. Didn't end well. It's a no-brainer to not encourage too much personal attachment with these Super Fans.
And then Kate admits again that her kids all argue as soon as this come home from school. Why all the turmoil in that house? ****** I think part of it is because those kids are STUCK on the compound, unable to be with anyone else outside of each other. It's ridiculous that Kate allows all the in-fighting to occur.
4) She stated Joel and Aaden got up at 5am to use the one laptop. Why not the girls? And why only one laptop? ***** Utterly ridiculous. There is no reason whatsoever that she shouldn't provide each child with their own laptop. 5am? God, she's sick.
Em tried to impress Kate with a few gifts I suppose. Why those kids (especially Hannah) warmed up to her so quick I don't know. Who puts a child she barely knows in their lap?
Tucker's Mom (#94), knowing TFW as we do, that all may have been faked for the cameras, so that TFW might score some new free laptops. Would anything surprise us at this point?
And then Kate admits again that her kids all argue as soon as this come home from school. Why all the turmoil in that house? ****** I think part of it is because those kids are STUCK on the compound, unable to be with anyone else outside of each other. It's ridiculous that Kate allows all the in-fighting to occur.
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Yes and the other part of it is apparently the adults, and frankly that includes the nanny, are not laying down the law. Telling them enough with the bickering and fighting, enough. And if it continues, BOTH parties who are fighting lose privileges and/or are sent to their rooms. It'll probably take weeks to end a very bad habit, but it will end once a 12 year old decides they'd actually like to use the cell phone that they have.
Bickering IS a bad habit, and many people will fall into it if they don't catch themselves. There must be so much stress in that house from the constant negativity.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 90 And one thing I've noticed about rich people is some of them are so cheap they will risk personal safety, like allowing a fan you barely know around your kids, if it's free. -------- People will spend millions on ridiculous status things then be the ultimate cheapskates when it comes to who is raising their children. 40k a term for preschool but the nanny is lucky to get 10 dollars an hour.
IIRC, Bethenny Frankel hired her #1 fan to work on her show, or her blog-something like that. Didn't end well.
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Is that right? Yeah, it didn't end well for Selena either.
I kinda-sorta get it. I guess they think, well I want someone who really loves me and gets me to be in my inner circle. Except the very fact that a grown adult has gone that deep into celeb-worship should be a HUGE red flag.
I really think in my case though it was mostly about getting work done for free or cheap. They seriously were the cheapest person I have ever met. Comes from being raised by the WW2 generation who did without so much I guess, I don't know. It was really one of those things where if you didn't make a big point of asking to get paid every Friday, no one was going to cut you a check and you'd never see the money. It got obnoxious. And a fan sure as hell was never getting paid, not one red cent.
Another danger about letting fans into your inner circle is the fans all talk to each other now, and when one fan perceives that another fan is getting special treatment, it just causes huge conflicts. It's really only a matter of time before someone else gets hurt, again. If not Kate, or Bethany, somebody else. You just can't interact with fans like this without playing with fire.
"Bickering IS a bad habit, and many people will fall into it if they don't catch themselves. There must be so much stress in that house from the constant negativity." (admin 97).
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Milo needs to move in and spread her positivity, peace, and platitudes. All will be good then.
I also wonder if part of the bickering is that the kids are now old enough so that the production crew is truly cramping their style. This is not a houseful of toddlers anymore. In 6 months, there will be 7 teenagers under that roof, along with a crazy mom, the not-a-nanny and assorted household helpers, 3 dogs, and the entire TLC production crew. And the kids are supposed to be just blithely getting on with their everyday activities?
They may not be ready to blame their mother for the stress in that household, and having to put their own activities on hold for filming. But arguing and acting out could be their way of processing it all.
Of course there are rumors about Colin on Twitter now. Where he is, what he's doing, why he left. Some of the rumors get mean because some fans are crazy. But it's 99% Kate's fault. She put it in People. She went on GMA. Most importantly, she refuses to go on record as saying that she doesn't want rumors about him, that he's a good kid who needs extra help. All these interviews, he's plodding along, his diagnosis is fluid, etc. Did she ever say anything nice about him? I can't think of anything.
Leslie, good observations. I also noticed Collin's shoulder jerks.
On one list, it was stated that the three tup girls could have extra time on the computer- not the boys??? Hannah was bothering Aaden when he was trying to use the computer.
Joel was earnestly saying he loved to help make lunches because they actually get to TALK to Mommy. Couldn't they talk to her before ? Anyway, chicken duty is definitely gone.
Those kids fight because Kate taught them to fight. She berated Jon, various relatives, and her various helpers. Probably the tv crew too. The children were yelled at for every infraction, no matter how minor. The girls were constantly pitted against the boys for just about everything. They weren't given love by their mother. When you grow up having anger modeled, you learn anger. I'm sure, even if they hate the fighting, they don't have the emotional skills to break the cycle. Unfortunately, that can have long lasting effects on their lives. Making friends, taking criticism from teachers, working at a job, sustaining a romantic relationship.
Christian Snyder @csnyder5 42m42 minutes ago I was sort of mentioned on an episode of Kate Plus 8 😱 I thought that was me who tweeted that so I looked and found the tweet! @Kateplusmy8
Imbedded in his tweet is a clip of Kate on the couch mentioning that this guy sent her a tweet (early January) where he says, did you know it's been 10 years since your first special? And she's like, No, I hadn't realized! Can you say bullsh*t?
And Doofus has started this week's promotion:
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 30m30 minutes ago Never SETTLE for just any ole' TV...watch the chaos, the fun, the teen yrs have begun! #KatePlus8 on @TLC Tues.10pm Nov.29th! @Kateplusmy8
I'm sure, even if they hate the fighting, they don't have the emotional skills to break the cycle. Unfortunately, that can have long lasting effects on their lives. Making friends, taking criticism from teachers, working at a job, sustaining a romantic relationship.
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You're right ,they don't know how to stop it. It's all they know. Some will never stop handling life in that contentious manner, and you're right, they will find that most boyfriends/girlfriends, bosses, friends, and other relatives don't like nasty interactions like that, which will result in many life failures for them. Others will recognize the problem, and fork over thousands of dollars in therapy that may or may not help. What a shame.
Joel was earnestly saying he loved to help make lunches because they actually get to TALK to Mommy. Couldn't they talk to her before ? Anyway, chicken duty is definitely gone. ____
I believe that she spends very little time with these kids outside of the necessary dining minutes and school drop-off (which I don't doubt is often handled by a nanny). I think she spends most of her day shopping or in her room. And as soon as dinner is over, she goes right back there. This is not a person who enjoys spending time with her children---unless she's getting paid for it.
I was just googling around to see if I could find other examples of celebs hiring fans, and wouldn't you know it, Miley Cirus's assistant was an obsessed fan.
They may not be ready to blame their mother for the stress in that household, and having to put their own activities on hold for filming. But arguing and acting out could be their way of processing it all.
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Really good observation. I think their realization may come in stages for some of them. It might not be an overnight epiphany. The first stage may very well be starting to recognize they actually don't like some aspects of filming, though not quite laying blame on anyone yet. The second stage might very well be acting out in response to these new and confusing emotions over something they more or less went along with for so long.
I imagine the third stage is realizing I don't have to necessarily do what the adults want me to do. I have my own opinions about what I want for myself.
The final stage will be laying blame at the various parties who did this to them.
People will spend millions on ridiculous status things then be the ultimate cheapskates when it comes to who is raising their children. 40k a term for preschool but the nanny is lucky to get 10 dollars an hour.
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I was paid pretty decently, but I was not always treated right, and was talked down to sometimes, ordered about, and blamed for things that were not my fault. I shouldn't have to ask every week to get paid, and my hours should be respected. Yet other times I was treated like a daughter and got lots of perks and so forth which felt genuine, which puts you in a state of confusion.
I just kind of took it, but when talking with fellow caregivers we would often shake our heads and say wouldn't you treat the person you are entrusting your kids to like gold? Why would you risk pissing them off and they take it out on your kids? Not that any of us would dream of taking it out on the kids, the kids have nothing to do with it, but how can they be sure of that?
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 30m30 minutes ago Never SETTLE for just any ole' TV...watch the chaos, the fun, the teen yrs have begun! #KatePlus8 on @TLC Tues.10pm Nov.29th! @Kateplusmy8 ****** Settling would be watching this dreck on TLC. With all of the amazing programming out there, and streaming, I can not even FATHOM wasting my time watching just about anything on that channel. I have no idea what channel it's on in my lineup and hope it stays that way.
Settling would be watching this dreck on TLC. With all of the amazing programming out there, and streaming, I can not even FATHOM wasting my time watching just about anything on that channel. I have no idea what channel it's on in my lineup and hope it stays that way.
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When I tune into programs like The Crown, or The Fall or Better Call Saul, or Homeland, Game of Thrones (I could go on and on), I'm amazed there are any reality shows even left. Kate is very, very lucky given the high caliber of television right now. TV is written and produced by film people now with film-like budgets. There's no longer this separation their used to be which tended to make TV of somewhat lower quality than film. Nowadays, you can find a TV show that is just as good as an Oscar nominated film.
It is interesting that the 19 kids in the Duggar home are so well behaved. Yes, they are a strange family on so many points but their kids' behavior is learned from their calm parents. (Yes, the parents have tons of issues but I am just talking about how kids live what they learn so please don't attack me about the Duggars). I am only making the point that Kate has 8 yelling, fighting, out of control, immature kids because Kate yells, fights, is out of control and immature. Her kids mimic her behavior. She sets the standard for the family.
And I do watch the Bates reality show and they have 19 very fun & well behaved kids. It is hard to really believe they are good friends with the Duggards. And again the point is I never see Ma Bates or Pa Bates screaming, freaking out, bossing the kids, and yelling orders. And my best childhood friend came from a family of seven kids and I visited their home very often and the parents were not like Kate and the kids were not fighting all the time either like the Gosselins. And my mother had five kids in six years and we were not a fighting, yelling family either.
I remember Donnie Osmond one time commented on the Gosselin kids fighting all the time and he said his seven or so siblings did not fight at all like the Gosselins do.
That's interesting you mention that about Carnie because I checked Em's Twitter and Emily made a tweet about Carnie saying how much she missed her and such. Thought that was strange. I think a lot of it has to do with her needing to know various people in the industry because she is a theatre major after all and it's good to have those connections (which isn't that bad tbh).
I thought the part where Joel mentioned they don't get to talk to Kate as much was interesting. Its clear Kate always seemed to "favor" the girls more than the boys but does she even TRY to make an effort to talk with them? Do they try to talk to her?
That's interesting you mention that about Carnie because I checked Em's Twitter and Emily made a tweet about Carnie saying how much she missed her and such. Thought that was strange. I think a lot of it has to do with her needing to know various people in the industry because she is a theatre major after all and it's good to have those connections (which isn't that bad tbh).
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Eh, it's not as important as just being really talented, working really hard, and being really tenacious. Em should spend time acting as much as she possibly can and going on as many auditions as she possibly can and taking every job she possibly can, and get off twitter.
You don't get into an audition and say oh and by the way, I know Carnie Wilson.
I think Carnie Wilson sounds like a gem, but this business is about talent. Even if someone happens to know someone, like even their own parent, it really doesn't matter if at the end of the day they're not talented. You can't hide behind Carnie Wilson if in the end you're not that good because you spent too much time on twitter.
Em is a fan of Carnie Wilson, Cher, Cyndi Lauper, and TFW. Three of these women are talented, award-winning entertainers, with careers that span decades, and generally good reputations. As they sang on Sesame Street back in the day, one of these things is not like the other...
A few years ago I was stopped at a red light, and the lady in the car next to me was talking to her dog in such a sweet way. I thought, aw, that must be a nice person. And I smiled at her and she smiled back and I realized it was Carnie Wilson!
Leslie said... 120 It is interesting that the 19 kids in the Duggar home are so well behaved. Yes, they are a strange family on so many points but their kids' behavior is learned from their calm parents. (Yes, the parents have tons of issues but I am just talking about how kids live what they learn so please don't attack me about the Duggars). I am only making the point that Kate has 8 yelling, fighting, out of control, immature kids because Kate yells, fights, is out of control and immature. Her kids mimic her behavior. She sets the standard for the family.
And I do watch the Bates reality show and they have 19 very fun & well behaved kids. It is hard to really believe they are good friends with the Duggards. And again the point is I never see Ma Bates or Pa Bates screaming, freaking out, bossing the kids, and yelling orders. And my best childhood friend came from a family of seven kids and I visited their home very often and the parents were not like Kate and the kids were not fighting all the time either like the Gosselins. And my mother had five kids in six years and we were not a fighting, yelling family either. ------- TLC went into the deal with the Gosselins with the story ideas of chaos, screaming, wackiness, fighting. They went into the Duggars show with a totally different story idea. That's the biggest difference.
I remember Donnie Osmond one time commented on the Gosselin kids fighting all the time and he said his seven or so siblings did not fight at all like the Gosselins do.
"People will spend millions on ridiculous status things then be the ultimate cheapskates when it comes to who is raising their children." ________ So true. I use to work in the saving and loan business in the 80's. I was the saving manager at a branch in the influential area in Charlotte. There was this man in his 60's who was very loaded. I mean millionaire status and that was just what he had at our S&L. Those were the days where CD's were kept in passport books. And he literally had a huge bundle of them from other banks. He dressed like he was literally homeless and drove a car from the 60's that you would not take if he gave it to you for free. My manager told me to drive by his home after work one day; it was literally around the block from the branch. It was this very old, stately, beautiful home that was in horrible condition. I was still stunned even though he dressed poorly and drove a dump of a car. This opened my eyes to the above comment how the very rich can be very strange about spending their money.
Tamara so true what you said about TLC but Kate may star in a reality series but she needs to raise her children in reality. And the reality is she is the one who has and is primarily teaching these kids how to behave. The great majority of their time is and has been spent with her as their role model. And we see her freaking out all the time. Her mode is yelling and screaming.
Children personalities are basically set by age five or so. I think Kate royally screwed up by 1)Filming the hell out of her toddlers & small children when their personalities were being formed. This was the time when Jon and Kate Plus 8 were filming a tremendous amount of tv episodes. I think it was four to five seasons. All that filming and the kids excessive traveling during that time was totally unfounded and added tremendous stress on the marriage and all the children. Her mind and time was not spent on her children but on her fame and fortune. In addition Kate and Jon (because of Kate) spend so many weekends away during that time going to speak at churches to collect more money instead of spending family time with her kids during her downtime.
Then she admits she spent many weekends away holed up in a motel writing Multiple Blessings with Beth. Then came all the book tours she did. Jon stated that she would come home, repack and leave again right before the separation. Of course they divorced at that time. Then came the paps intruding their lives and front yard. The kids were 5 or 6. It was pure chaos for the eight.
In January 2010 Kate gave a People interview. She said, "They start counseling in the next two weeks,” she reveals. “I found an awesome counselor who will come to us, and she will be working with them. I’m definitely seeing signs that it’s a major need at this point. For some more than others, but they’re all really struggling with the absence of a parent.” So what does Kate do when she knew her kids were in "major need of counseling and really struggling". Of course, she signs up for DWTS and was gone for weeks at a time with an occasional pop-in. Anybody remember this: http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/kate-gosselin-returns-home-then-leaves-kids-again-2010224
I do and I especially remember Colin at the door super upset at Kate leaving AGAIN. His other Daddy, Steve, had to take him aside and calm him.
Oh lets not forget she was also shooting "Twist of Kate" because she announced it on DWTS. And was also shooting Kate Plus 8 that started a few weeks after DWTS.
No wonder her kids are misbehaved. They were literally raised in a tv studio at their other home from age 18 months to five. When they were not in the studio, they were flying all over or driving for hours filming. They were raised by a slew of different nannies too through the many years. It was more important for Kate to go to New York continually to have two sets of 20 hour hair extensions and hair cuts. She spent so much time In New York on the View, The Today Show, Extra, E!,etc. promoting herself rather then spending time disciplining her very needy, troubled kids.
Yeah, she was there for her kids, my ass. She NEVER put her kids first. She disgusts me to no end.
He dressed like he was literally homeless and drove a car from the 60's that you would not take if he gave it to you for free. My manager told me to drive by his home after work one day; it was literally around the block from the branch. It was this very old, stately, beautiful home that was in horrible condition. I was still stunned even though he dressed poorly and drove a dump of a car.
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That's fascinating. I think money makes some people paranoid, irrational or both. Moreso when people didn't always have money. You see this all the time, a rich person not acting rich. Not that you should overspend once you have money, but at the very least you could replace your old tattered Rebox with something a little sturdier.
19 kids in the Duggar home are so well behaved. Yes, they are a strange family on so many points but their kids' behavior is learned from their calm parents.================
Woah! For one thing, each & every child was blanket trained. (Just look it up..) The sad summary is that the babies are whacked if they attempt to crawl off of the blanket. Secondly, they have all been trained (brainwashed) into always portraying a calm and joyful demeanor. Their own personal feelings & expressions are not allowed. The must always look pleasant & respectful towards everyone or risk being banished from their community. That's why Michelle, and all the married girls look at their men so adoringly, (blech) as their husbands have now replaced their father. It is a patriarchal society and women have only one job.. To please her husband in all ways. And that goes for the kids. They must be pleasant-right down to the expression on their faces or they will be punished.
O.K. Admin., you got me. What is Rebox? From the content you must be talking about his old car. I googled the word to no avail. Any insight for this ole Texan gal!
It is interesting that the 19 kids in the Duggar home are so well behaved. Yes, they are a strange family on so many points but their kids' behavior is learned from their calm parents. (Yes, the parents have tons of issues but I am just talking about how kids live what they learn so please don't attack me about the Duggars). --------------------
I am absolutely not attacking you but I want to say that the Duggar children are blanket trained as babies and toddlers and who knows how disciplined as children. If you aren't sure what blanket training is(I apologize if you do know), the baby as young as 6-7 months is placed on a blanket and the second it moves an inch off the blanket, is either smacked or hit with a thin tree branch(I cannot remember the english word for it). The whole thing is done for as long as it takes for the child to understand that the blanket edges are boundaries. That and ignoring the kids' cry I would think makes for quiet calm kids.
I'll say it again, the G kids are a living, breathing experiment. No one knows how things are going to end up. Like a teenager who has poor decision-making abilities, TFW has parented in the moment -- not thinking ahead to how her decisions would effect her children down the line. And those decisions almost always seem to made based on what's best for HER.
When TFW had TV lighting installed in her home, I'm sure she thought that was a super practical idea. But did she notice one of her children had certain sensitivities that might be negatively impacted by that kind of stimulation? If she did, it sure didn't stop her. TFW thinks if she continues to shout "I would do ANYTHING for my kids," it grants her immunity from negative judgment about her. It doesn't. And since she admitted she made her life our business -- by selling her children's privacy to a TV network -- she will continue to be subject to that scrutiny.
Her mind and time was not spent on her children but on her fame and fortune. ***** Yes, this! Kate's mind is always pre-occupied with her next opportunity to film or grift.
Secondly, they have all been trained (brainwashed) into always portraying a calm and joyful demeanor. Their own personal feelings & expressions are not allowed. The must always look pleasant & respectful towards everyone or risk being banished from their community. ****** Exactly. Children are not allowed normal emotions. It's high treason if a kid pouts, gets upset or heaven forbid, voices discontentment. The Duggars and their ilk raise their kids to smile OR ELSE.
If you aren't sure what blanket training is(I apologize if you do know), the baby as young as 6-7 months is placed on a blanket and the second it moves an inch off the blanket, is either smacked or hit with a thin tree branch(I cannot remember the english word for it). ****** It's called a "switch".
Most importantly, she refuses to go on record as saying that she doesn't want rumors about him, that he's a good kid who needs extra help. All these interviews, he's plodding along, his diagnosis is fluid, etc. ************************************ Because she's incapable. She cannot, as she's proven from the beginning with these kids, EMPATHIZE with them. She cannot FEEL like the rest of the world. She will forever not see what she's done to them. It improbable. She's "perverted" and I say this, not in the sexual sense but that she has an abnormal reaction to things...anti-social. Her reaction to Colin's Mamma Bear gift is an example. Her reaction to it left us all scratching our heads. When she said "I don't get it" this is true. She will never fell genuine human emotions like the rest of us. At least there's some punishment or karma there.
But then she'd have no one to control ***************************** So true!! As much as we know she loves not being around them, she NEEDS them to fulfill that gaping void in her soul. She gets off on "hurting" them, seeing shame and vulnerability, loves getting a reaction of fear or submissiveness. They are appliances to her, if your toaster stops working, you may bang it a few times. When someTHING breaks down and doesn't do what it's supposed to do, you don't really like it do you? Same with those kids. She doesn't feel normal feelings, CONTROL gives her some kind of "normal"..
TFW thinks if she continues to shout "I would do ANYTHING for my kids," it grants her immunity from negative judgment about her. ************************* Exactly.
'when your actions contradict your words...your words don't mean anything'
Vanessa (#143), heck, TFW's own words contradict her own words! How many different stories have we heard about the morning routines at G manor? How many conflicting versions have we seen on film? How many statements from TFW about her household "helpers," or lack thereof? If all those inconsistencies make our heads spin, how must the children feel?
Bad example using the Duggars. I forgot about the blanket training and suppressing their personalities.
But the point is large families do raise calm kids. Kate's excuse has always been she has too many and therefore she has to scream and yell. That 2 to 3 minute promotion clip for this season highlights Kate flipping out left, right, up, and down. Dang, her kids were telling her she is crazy and out of control. But of course we all know that she will never see it that away. You know I wonder if Colin's therapist has addressed her behavior and how it effects him. Ouch!
Before writing that comment (#130), I had just read TLC facebook page and was surprised how many people praised Kate in her parenting. In essence they were stating of course Kate flips out, who wouldn't with eight kids. She has done a great job raising those kids by herself. Those comments just set me off. Normally her facebook page has a lot of negative comments. And the great majority of them were positive towards her this time.
Yes many other large families have calm kids and I would even compare it to teachers and their classrooms. One can routinely find a classroom of 25-30 kids which is orderly, calm, and respectful of one another, and is that way without physical discipline of any kind. And these are kids that are probably even more different from each other than siblings. The bottom line is order and respect stems from who is in charge. If you have a teacher who is not respected and who doesn't know how to get a handle on a large group, chaos happens. Same goes for parents. No matter if you have two kids or eight kids, if a parent is not parenting, then kids will dissolve into what's happened to the G kids--disrespect, bickering, hitting, cruelty.
Quite frankly, Lord of the Flies had it right. Without firm guidance from adults who are in charge, kids can become quite ugly.
It fascinates me to see how people behave with their money and the choices they make. We had neighbors down the street who were very flashy spenders. They bought this Sub Zero double refrigerator, and remodeled their kitchen so that there was a straight line of sight from the front door to this monstrosity of a refrigerator. Then they left the front door open (there was a glass inner door that was closed) at all times so everyone who walked past would see this fridge. Then they bought matching his-and-hers Range Rovers, which were always in the driveway, never the garage. The bank foreclosed on their house months later.
Kind of like setting hourself up in a lifestyle that requires a reality show to maintain. How do these people justify that?
Vanessa said: "They are appliances to her, if your toaster stops working, you may bang it a few times. When someTHING breaks down and doesn't do what it's supposed to do, you don't really like it do you? Same with those kids. She doesn't feel normal feelings, CONTROL gives her some kind of "normal".. ++++++ Bravo, great way of putting it. And yes Admin. the classroom is a great example of successfully managing a large group of kids.
If all those inconsistencies make our heads spin, how must the children feel? ************************* Yes, it's crazy making living with that kind of chaos. Plus, it's another control tactic. You start to question your version of events, or your memory...so that you become dependent on the abuser's memory or version. They make you think YOU'RE the crazy because the force their version down your throat until you believe it and then you don't even trust your own judgement or have difficulties making everyday decisions because someone has warped your reality. How many people have been coerced into confessing to crimes they didn't commit? Look at what she did with globegate? And on the other end of it, you maybe LIE about everything...the truth always gets you in some sort of crap.
I've brought this up before, but one of the most revealing moments of this whole thing was when Jon said he'd grown a beard, and didn't want to keep it, but TLC made him for continuity purposes. That told us that things were filmed out of sequence -- that something might have to be reshot later to make sense of things, or if something had gone wrong, or if the director and editor (Bill Blankinship) didn't have the right footage.
How in the blue-dilly heck does that scan with what TFW described as the "realest reality?" How is that "what you see is what you get?" How is that the kids just "running in and out of camera range?" She's been disingenuous from jump.
But the point is large families do raise calm kids. Kate's excuse has always been she has too many and therefore she has to scream and yell. That 2 to 3 minute promotion clip for this season highlights Kate flipping out left, right, up, and down. _____
Because Kate behaving badly is what brings on all that chaotic fun. She really does see herself as the center, the driver, of this farce of a reality show. She really does see herself as funny, as opposed to immature, obnoxious, and altogether cringeworthy.
Yes, she does thinks she's funny rather than obnoxious. Like when she's screaming at the kids to give her the waffles and does that "ple-hee-hease" thing at the end. She thinks it's endearing, when others see it as obnoxious.
The tups' 12th birthday is on tomorrow night. Oh boy, another scavenger hunt. They've already done that. I guess they're out of ideas. It will be all about Kate, of course. How she came up with the idea, how much work it was to pull it off, how exhausted she is. Then she'll do lots of yelling during the event to make it all about her. Can't let the kids get too much screen time.
he's been disingenuous from jump. ******* Kate has never so much as flinched when she lies, which is scary and telling. She has zero compunction about deception. How would they try to look normal in a 2M home?
Layla said...148 Kind of like setting hourself up in a lifestyle that requires a reality show to maintain. How do these people justify that? ****************** That's what is worrying me about the 'Outdaughtered' family. They bought a house that can't afford (on his salary). This reality tv series isn't going to last. They don't have the appeal and HOM shows are no longer drawing big numbers. Hopefully, they will take their earnings from the show and pay the house off now and not expect to pay 30 years on it because if they do, they'll end up in foreclosure also.
She really does see herself as funny, as opposed to immature, obnoxious, and altogether cringeworthy. ******** As Dr. Phil would say, Kate is quite pleased with the way she turned out. Despite her insistence to the contrary, Kate is very aware of the cameras and her behavior is always altered by them. She turns the volume up to 11 whenever filming. As to the chaos, I think it's due in large part to those kids being raised by a bevy of caregivers, nannies, babysitters and crew members, which led to lack on consistency on the one hand, and total dictatorship from their mother on the other hand. When she was present which I would guess has *maybe* been 50% of the time.
That's what is worrying me about the 'Outdaughtered' family. They bought a house that can't afford (on his salary). This reality tv series isn't going to last. They don't have the appeal and HOM shows are no longer drawing big numbers. Hopefully, they will take their earnings from the show and pay the house off now and not expect to pay 30 years on it because if they do, they'll end up in foreclosure also. November 28, 2016 at 8:39 AM ****** The reason J+K+8 lasted as long as it did (and wold have gone strong for more years with Jon) is due to Kate being a controlling shrew of a woman, and Jon being her whipping boy. Unless these new parents develop some sort of conflict and marital discord, they will be gone in a couple seasons. If they don't get what production is looking for by now, they will soon. They will "get" that "normal" on any level does not sell.
I grew up in an emotionally chaotic household. With the added confusion of rigid Catholic rules. We are seven siblings -- all older adults now. We all succeeded and have what I would define as "good" lives.
There is hope.
It does take time to untangle. A person must be able to observe the behavior of others and find examples you wish to follow. Hopefully, you don't select a marriage partner before you realize there are other calmer and kinder lifestyles.
The Gosselins will get out "on their own" -- they will have to decide what baggage behaviors they want to carry with them. They will learn quickly that some of what they have observed will NOT work in the regular world.
I will follow their story and always be wishing them a healthy life path.
I honestly believe the yelling filmed is not for show but is the actual world of these kids. Granted, Kate is an exaggerator (that phuuuu-ease) and her annoying sounds and facial expressions are her lame attempts at acting, but she is who she is and yelling is her means of communicating with her kids, and apparently according to Hannah, with Steve also.
She encourages competition between the kids - that's why there is so much chaos. Of course it's natural for siblings to fight, but it typically dissipates once they get older. I think they will all splinter away - and the poster who said just because she says she goes everything for her kids, it doesn't mean she does, hit the nail on the head. She is not fostering a "family" environment at all. It's kill or be killed in the Gosselin household.
And I think there is a difference between being cheap and being frugal. Kate is cheap, and always will be, as she only looks out for herself. My parents are retired and living comfortably - they are frugal, but never cheap.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 5m5 minutes ago #NotYourOrdinaryMom! Tune in #KatePlus8 Tues.10pm #TLC NEW episode of fun/chaos w/kids! #ScavengerHunt @kateplusmy8
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I can confirm I am anything but ordinary and therefore will never accept ordinary.
Yawn. K8's Twitter TL has wound right back down to dead.
It's about time for Milo to start harassing TFW about a Twitter party tomorrow night. I wonder if TFW is desperate enough to say that she'll give a follow to those who quote a line from the show in the hopes of having more people attend. Got to show TLC how popular she is.
How can anyone equate chaos with fun? She is supposed to be so organized and yet there is chaos?? And why do fans think chaos is good parenting? I really do not understand. I really don't.
@Sad but true I was scrolling through her TL and i have to ask.What exactly did Robert say about goody in Gosselin book?Because hes not in the news ATM and yet she randomly tweets this.MsGoody2Shoes21 @msgoody2shoes21 F**k Robert Hoffman and his "book". @kateplusmy8
I'm sure Kate will be making a big deal tomorrow night of getting to 100K IG followers (she's currently at 99,500). Too bad at least 75K of those were purchased. And it continues to look like something less than 10K are "active."
I wonder if her absence over the past couple of days means filming. It's odd that we haven't gotten the "Watch me tomorrow!" post yet. The kids have today off, back to school tomorrow. Gotta cram in all you can.
I wonder if her absence over the past couple of days means filming. It's odd that we haven't gotten the "Watch me tomorrow!" post yet. The kids have today off, back to school tomorrow. Gotta cram in all you can. ****** I hope not. FFS, those kids need their school breaks to be breaks. And, I hope Jon got to spend extra time with his children.
Tucker's Mom said... 156 She really does see herself as funny, as opposed to immature, obnoxious, and altogether cringeworthy. ******** As Dr. Phil would say, Kate is quite pleased with the way she turned out.
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Not only is TFW pleased, she is pleased as punch.
I think when she checks her bank account to see if the TLC check for the latest episode has been deposited and it's there, she gets literally, punch drunk!
Dmasy (#158), thanks for sharing about you and your siblings. I so hope you are right -- that the G kids will forge better futures for themselves, despite all that's working against them. It is surely possible.
@Sad but true I honestly doubt they're filming already since the new season hasn't even started yet.It wouldn't make sense because it would make it seem like TLC wouldn't care how bad Kate rating could be.I'd be convince she'd have to be in bed with someone at the station cause you can't tell me TLC thinks under a million is good ratings.
Kate is definitely not frugal. That involves making a plan for how to save money while still get essential things. Kate has no shame demanding (not asking for) freebies. But she doesn't even plan those. How much of her Costco purchase will be thrown away? And she is never cheap when it comes to her own pleasure and comfort, only her children's. Her manicures, pedicures, spa trips, hair styling, limousines, cars, online shopping, plastic surgery. I end up believing she's got a mountain of money stashed away because how else could she sustain her current standard of living.
I end up believing she's got a mountain of money stashed away because how else could she sustain her current standard of living. ******* Kate lavishes herself, but truly believes she sacrifices all the time, for her kids. And by sacrifice, I mean, makes herself mother them. Oh, and father them, too. Ugh.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 126 A few years ago I was stopped at a red light, and the lady in the car next to me was talking to her dog in such a sweet way. I thought, aw, that must be a nice person. And I smiled at her and she smiled back and I realized it was Carnie Wilson!
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That doesn't surprise me. Carnie is very much into pet rescue. She was always around dogs. Her father, Brian, had dogs Banana and Louie and recorded their bark for "Pet Sounds."
Carnie is nice, and funny, and friendly, and a real character, very much like you see her on television and in interviews.
TFW may see the writing on the wall and could be planning a YouTube channel. Pay your money to enter the side show and watch the chaos that is their life. It's easy to see that a popular YouTube channel can make a pile of money and she may envision her family as the next sensation. The problem is, who is going to pay to see them. When you buy followers on IG and twitter you may have a rude awakening when you see just how few fans there really are. I doubt that those that watch the show on TLC will be willing to buy a subscription to her YouTube channel. This is all just speculation on my part so please don't take any of it as gospel.
Cruisin' (#172), I'm glad to hear Carnie is a good egg!
NJGal51 (#173), oooh, I don't know, that sounds like something that would involve the 4-letter word TFW despises: WORK. It would clearly have to be run by someone who knew what they were doing. But maybe TFW could get some help using the many wonderful relationships with media folks that she's fostered through her decade in TV. *crickets*
This is all just speculation on my part so please don't take any of it as gospel. ***** Well, if you started with "To be honest..." like Kate does, we'd surely take it as gospel!
Tucker's Mom said... 154 he's been disingenuous from jump. ******* Kate has never so much as flinched when she lies, which is scary and telling. She has zero compunction about deception. How would they try to look normal in a 2M home? ----- She was really an innovator, ahead of the curve. She realised that the truth and facts don't matter anymore years before Donald did.
So long as she has cash to spend and people to control she'll put her life in the win category. Since she seems to manage money at least moderately well, and with eight children she's almost guaranteed at least two or three who'll stick around, she's sitting pretty forever. Or at least another ten to twenty years.
@Sad but true I was scrolling through her TL and i have to ask.What exactly did Robert say about goody in Gosselin book?Because hes not in the news ATM and yet she randomly tweets this.MsGoody2Shoes21 @msgoody2shoes21 F**k Robert Hoffman and his "book". @kateplusmy8
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I can't remember exactly what he said about her. I think it was something about her being a crazy fan. There were a few pages of her insane tweets copied there. I am surprised that Goody didn't sue him and claim they were stolen or altered.
ince she seems to manage money at least moderately well, and with eight children she's almost guaranteed at least two or three who'll stick around, she's sitting pretty forever. Or at least another ten to twenty years.
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I think TFW didn't have an ounce of financial investment know-how until she got with Steve Neild. Gina worked or still works for a investment company and Steve really impressed TFW with him and Gina showing her the road to financial freedom and many off shore accounts or in Swiss banks.
Remember Jon found some paper work with K8S LLC years ago and something else that TFW had Steve's name on it with her involving the kids? and Jon got it taken off. IIRC.
kris said... 181 Yeah, Kate couldn't maintain a simple website, I hardly see her managing a YouTube channel, lol. I guess she could get Mady to do it tho.
Yeah, Kate couldn't maintain a simple website, I hardly see her managing a YouTube channel, lol. I guess she could get Mady to do it tho.
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Milo would be jumping up and down, over and under, wetting her pants if Kate asked her to do it. Remember how seriously she took her job as cub reporter/announcer during the marathon? She was freaking out in ecstasy over being Kate's chosen one. She could reprise that role and do the website challenge.
Cruisin' Just As Fast As She Can Now said... 178 @Sad but true I was scrolling through her TL and i have to ask.What exactly did Robert say about goody in Gosselin book?Because hes not in the news ATM and yet she randomly tweets this.MsGoody2Shoes21 @msgoody2shoes21 F**k Robert Hoffman and his "book". @kateplusmy8
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I can't remember exactly what he said about her. I think it was something about her being a crazy fan. There were a few pages of her insane tweets copied there. I am surprised that Goody didn't sue him and claim they were stolen or altered.
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I don't think he had to say much, he just copied and pasted a bunch of her tweets LOL
Off topic, but does any one else think the husband from Outdaughtered is a big pussy? Does he ever go to work? Now grandma is part of the story to be support by the babies. UGH. I can't wait for all these minor kids to sue TLC and their parents for their childhoods back and their lack of privacy.
High Sodium Content said... 186 Off topic, but does any one else think the husband from Outdaughtered is a big pussy? ****** I've only seen snippets, but uh, yeah ;-) Frankly, so was Jon. Instead of being the man of his home and his family, he held the door open for others to lead his family. No man would let some guy like Steve into his domain, let alone to pair off with his wife and galavant.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 187 I kind of wonder if many guys who agree to sign up for a risk of high order multiples are a bit of a pushover at heart. Heh. November 28, 2016 at 6:54 PM ****** Yes ;-0 Kate pressured Jon into going for another round of fertility treatments when he knew deep down that's not what he wanted. But, she wore him down until he capitulated. Oh, I'm sorry. Kate prayed that the Lord would show Jon the light. That's what happened.
Off topic, but does any one else think the husband from Outdaughtered is a big pussy? Does he ever go to work? Now grandma is part of the story to be support by the babies. UGH. I can't wait for all these minor kids to sue TLC and their parents for their childhoods back and their lack of privacy.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 187 I kind of wonder if many guys who agree to sign up for a risk of high order multiples are a bit of a pushover at heart. Heh. November 28, 2016 at 6:54 PM ****** Yes ;-0 Kate pressured Jon into going for another round of fertility treatments when he knew deep down that's not what he wanted. But, she wore him down until he capitulated. Oh, I'm sorry. Kate prayed that the Lord would show Jon the light. That's what happened.
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Not to stereotype but I think most men are like, multiples? NOOOOO, how would we?! Let's just adopt if that's really such a risk.
Whereas many women are like, multiples? CUTE! We can dress them alike!
You have to find a guy who, basically, is willing to put practicality aside. Not in their nature.
kateplusmy8 Even Nanuq gets into shopping on Cyber Monday! #Nanuq #Shopping #MakingHerChristmasList
And there she is. #NookiePookie looking at a laptop. On the carpeted floor there is also her water bowl. Huh?
miloandjack2016 She does seem to be captivated by that screen! When I see her paws on that keyboard...you are in trouble! #NanuqPlacingHerOrder. 😋 @kateplusmy8
I second it....a You Tube channel after TLC cans her! I suspect she's already gotten the ax and the You Tube videos are a trial run. For sure, Mady will be involved. I am surprised she could do something like this while still under contract with TLC or maybe she's NOT.
@Cruisin' Just As Fast As She Can Now (183)Apart from wishing Jon into a coma,i herd she was worse back then than now.She would talk about Jon's private area obsessively and i also saw a tweet where she told Kate that if any of the kids asked about her relationship with Jon to threaten them and say Jon is her enemy.Im not sure what she said about Robert but i herd there was alot of rumors that they spread about him.For example there was a post by Robert where he show one of the fans accusing him of abusing Shoka and other stuff.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 188 . . . You have to find a guy who, basically, is willing to put practicality aside. Not in their nature. _____
They put the ugly picture of her bending over, with her tongue almost sticking out in the silver top dress when she did that interview at the Grove and Steve forced her to take pictures with a couple of fans.
Wow, she was about to meltdown when Steve told her she needed to allow pictures with the fans.
Kate seems like one of those parents where, instead of telling Mady to start the video over again and do it right this time, she just thinks everything she does is wonderful. The mannequin video was really bad, poorly lit and filmed so closely you had no sense of the scene, which is the whole point of the challenge. Nothing like that is going viral, and it should, a little bit at least, but for the poor filming.
Mady needs a parent to guide her, tell her when she's being rude, when she could try harder when making a video or start over, when she's not funny. She just isn't getting that.
Not every man wants to be the "leader" of the family. Some don't subscribe to the very traditional gender roles that you seem to think define "being a man."
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They may be traditional, but time and time again I've seen relationships fail when a man is not given some kind of leadership role. I think many men feel emasculated when always asked to take a step back, which causes discord. A healthy balance is probably best, with each party sometimes taking the lead so no one person feels they have no say. And I'm sorry, but a man should hold the door open for the women in his life, and I don't care if you think that's 19th century. That is one role that should not change. Women do plenty of things for him they're good at that make that little convenience up to him--that's not a sexual comment! :)
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«Oldest ‹Older 401 – 600 of 701 Newer› Newest»Admin (#198), I think that officer meant to say TFW never "posed" a significant threat, not "opposed" one.
If that's the case, my, we sure have lowered the bar for TFW. As long as shots weren't fired in the vicinity, it's all sunshine and lollipops at G Manor?
@J_Rose_E Jen Rose Retweeted Margaret Meade
I'm an officer... considering I am local to her not one time was she nor anyone in her surroundings opposed a significant threat! #oops
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#OOPS is right. "Opposed" a significant threat? "Posed a threat" is a phrase used in reports all the time and I doubt a cop would get it wrong. But maybe as Admin said it was the wife of a cop, or maybe a meter maid ( didn't we have one of those post when she "witnessed" the kids on the stairs in Philly).
I hit post too soon....I wanted to finish by saying that if she really does work as an officer (dispatcher, whatever), she probably shouldn't be posting things like that on Twitter.
Highly doubt J Rose is a cop. One of the fans posing.
Cops statements usually come from a spokesperson. If individual cops say something it's because their station gave them permission to. I've never seen an individual cop go on a personal twitter account and just start speaking like that.
What's more, no cop would defend someone like that knowing there is a police report out there that describes very erratic behavior. At best, they would say no comment. Cops time and time again have gotten too close to people who have ended up causing serious problems (John Dupont). They know better, now.
What a lame attempt to pose as an insider.
So the one who tweeted with Em is back on Twitter. I can't really believe this comment, what a thing to say when we don't know what happened. Based on what we know of him, it's inconceivable to me that his problems involve killing innocent animals.
Sara Snow @SNOWBUNNY_2015 18m18 minutes ago
@MiloandJack what gets me is WHY @Kateplusmy8 would trust her. still have screenshots. no conf agreement w EM. I think C killed the chickens
This Sara Snow is a nut job. There are Twitter crazies on both sides. Anonymous tweet handles can never be believed.
Yes, usually a judge can order a psyche eval. And usually, a parent can't even object to it. If it's ordered, they have to do it.
They aren't always ordered just because someone is acting crazy. Sometimes they're ordered on the whole family when a family is in turmoil, just to try to identify where the family is struggling emotionally and what services would best help serve them. It may very well come out no one has a mental health condition, but that therapy, or in home parenting instruction, etc., would help. For that reason alone the whole family should have a psyche eval done, including Jon and the kids.
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Yes, Milo places all the blame for Collin's issues on Collin. Which is strange since she always praises Kate for having great kids, and says that is a reflection of her. When Kate said they were doing great "across the board"' Milo said it was because of Kate' parenting. When Kate said they were all at the top of their class at school, it was a reflection of Kate's parenting. But when a child has behavioral issues, it's the kid's fault. Hypocrite!
Maybe the person who claims to be a police officer on twitter means that Kate never OPPOSED a significant threat because Jon never POSED a significant threat in the first place.
Sara Snow @SNOWBUNNY_2015 18m18 minutes ago
@MiloandJack what gets me is WHY @Kateplusmy8 would trust her. still have screenshots. no conf agreement w EM. I think C killed the chickens
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This Sara Snow is a nut job. There are Twitter crazies on both sides. Anonymous tweet handles can never be believed.
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That kind of speculation about Colin is just cruel to put out there on Twitter.
That Sara Snow is also the river cow who seems to have a vendetta against one of the regulars on this blog. She is nuts and I wouldn't trust anything she has to say. She plays both sides of the fence.
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That Sara Snow is also the river cow who seems to have a vendetta against one of the regulars on this blog. She is nuts and I wouldn't trust anything she has to say. She plays both sides of the fence.
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Also the one who got Em to disclose stuff in a DM
Oopps I see she is saying that my bad should have read the whole thing. Yes, that is the one who EM Dmd
I saw a copy of the latest People magazine last night, and who was on the cover, in the upper right corner? Kate. There were a couple pages with pics from when the kids were little, and a few pics from the recent photo shoot. Not much text. It was a "Ten Years Later" thing.
I guess since TLC is not promoting the show, Kate hit up her pal Kate Coyne to do it. The number of pictures and articles they have been doing on the Gs lately is insane.
Isn't EM the one who spent time with the Gs at their house? She told someone that she helped give the kids their behavioral meds and all the fans ganged up on her. I guess for daring to suggest (publicly) that the kids weren't perfect and some needed behavioral meds. The fans always pictured the Gs as a perfect, happy family and were enraged at anyone who suggested otherwise. Turns out--EM was right, but the other fans will never forgive her for bursting their bubble.
True Layla ...but every picture posted in People had Collin missing so it was just a neon light to her situation that TFW is trying to deflect from
And this really goes all back to Kate. I'm not surprised some people take it too far when discussing Collin. I would expect that to happen. And that goes back on whoever disclosed this information to the masses in the first place. That's Kate. How can you talk about this and not expect people to say such things? It's a no brainer.
There was no reason to talk about this. It's no one's business where he is, she is under no obligation to explain his absence. If you think speculation will be too much if you just never say anything, then you don't film when he's not home. It's as simple as that. She did not put him first whatsoever when deciding to talk about this, as is her M.O.
This Sara Snow is a nut job. There are Twitter crazies on both sides. Anonymous tweet handles can never be believed.
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I think that's putting it nicely (the "nut job"). She's crazier than crazy, creepier than creepy! Something is seriously wrong there.
I'm an officer... considering I am local to her not one time was she nor anyone in her surroundings opposed a significant threat! #oops
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What constitutes a "significant" threat? lol!
I don't think this person is to be believed. In fact, I seriously doubt it.
Regarding the "officer" who tweeted about Kate, in response to someone stating that she was an impersonator, she also tweeted:
Jen Rose
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@HandToForehead @DonutsForCollin 😂😂 hahah. County number 23834. County name: Lancaster County, PA
Don't Kate AND Jon both live in Berks county?
What constitutes a "significant" threat? lol!
I don't think this person is to be believed. In fact, I seriously doubt it.
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I checked out this person's twitter timeline and tweets that she made to Kate. If she's a police officer, she must be a relatively new one, since 3 years ago, she told Kate she was a pre-school teacher.
Jen Rose @J_Rose_E · 5 Jun 2013
@Kateplusmy8 i'm a pre school teacher. You have 2 understand that art work helps many aspects of a child's growth & fills up time.
Here are her tweets to Kate. She's a typical Kate fan--gushing all over about Kate. So I seriously doubt her also.
https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=from%3AJ_Rose_E%20to%3Akateplusmy8&src=typd
That's pretty amazing she would tweet out her County number, whatever that is. She could just be making that up to look official.
Their police web site says they field 40,000 calls a year. Would one police officer necessarily be aware of every interaction a specific member of the community has, much less calls that may have gone to other police forces?
Again, I'm not sure how a police officer could say she doesn't cause them problems when clearly, she has. I'm also not sure why a police force would allow someone to make statements on behalf of the department on a personal social media account. At the very least, it's very unprofessional.
I checked out this person's twitter timeline and tweets that she made to Kate. If she's a police officer, she must be a relatively new one, since 3 years ago, she told Kate she was a pre-school teacher.
Jen Rose @J_Rose_E · 5 Jun 2013
@Kateplusmy8 i'm a pre school teacher. You have 2 understand that art work helps many aspects of a child's growth & fills up time.
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Lol. That would be an interesting career shift.
Sounds like she just made up the county number to sound official.
I got a call last summer from those IRS scam people, with the number of the warrant for my arrest. Numbers don't impress me so much anymore.
I'm kind of fascinated by catfish and how sloppy they can be. There's no way I can see to look up her "county number" so you'd have to call the police station and waste their precious time.
Also where I've ever been sheriffs are responsible for the county, and police's jurisdiction are their individual towns or cities in the county. Wherever there isn't a police station in a town or small city, the sheriffs pick up the area.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 25
I'm kind of fascinated by catfish and how sloppy they can be. There's no way I can see to look up her "county number" so you'd have to call the police station and waste their precious time.
Also where I've ever been sheriffs are responsible for the county, and police's jurisdiction are their individual towns or cities in the county. Wherever there isn't a police station in a town or small city, the sheriffs pick up the area.
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In PA the State Police are responsible where there is not a local department. The County Sherrifs are basically court guards, transporters, warrant servers.
How is this any different than you making claims about how often celebrities are reported to DCFS? DCFS receives over 150,000 referrals each year. Would one lawyer know about all 150,000 referrals? (That's a rhetorical question, since the answer clearly is NO.)
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You're missing the point. Kate made the point that she is a celeb and therefore targeted by CPS. Utter nonsense, that does not happen. If anything, celebs are treated very carefully and given too much of the benefit of the doubt. As for how would someone know about celebs, well, when they are all sent to the sensitive case unit, which is just one small office in the entire county, and you know people who work directly in that unit, yes it's very plausible that many people, including myself, are very aware how many celeb cases we get (very few) and don't get. We don't get any more celeb cases than we do from parents working any other profession. No more, no less than average. You would be shocked at the celeb who is currently in the system and what they did to their kids, who has managed to keep this case out of the press--it has to be pretty bad to get involved, and this without a doubt warranted involvement. But, it's just not the norm.
I'm not aware of Lancaster, Berks, whatever, having a sensitive case unit for celebs. With only a couple celebs there, that would be quite a waste of taxpayer dollars.
In PA the State Police are responsible where there is not a local department. The County Sherrifs are basically court guards, transporters, warrant servers.
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I see. So wouldn't she identify herself as "state police" then, and not "county"?
Sounds to me like the police are paid by the state, not the counties, correct? Absent a local department.
I don't know why I care, she's obviously a catfish.
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In PA the State Police are responsible where there is not a local department. The County Sherrifs are basically court guards, transporters, warrant servers.
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I see. So wouldn't she identify herself as "state police" then, and not "county"?
Sounds to me like the police are paid by the state, not the counties, correct? Absent a local department.
I don't know why I care, she's obviously a catfish.
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Yes, there's no such thing as County Police. LOL
Oh, and I've never mentioned it before, but I am a sheriff. Badge: 867-5309. County: Mayberry, RFD.
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Oh, and County numbers are two digits. Chester is 15.
A comment on K8's Instagram account from tunanoodlecasserole85 reads:
"You may want to block Milo. Ignoring her intrusive, creepy and numerous comments doesn't work. She makes your feed look very bad."
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Really, K8 in People again? Anyone who doesn't think People is somehow profiting from promoting this garbage is kidding themselves (and I don't mean by people buying magazines). I wonder if they take note of any of Jon's recent comments.
I thought that when she said "county number" it was her odd way of saying ZIP code as in the county number is (whatever) and it's Lancaster county. I would hope to God she wasn't giving out a badge number. I wonder if she knows that it's a crime to impersonate a LE officer.
This officer is very active on social media--IG, Youtube, twitter etc. You'd think as an officer of the law, she would know to keep certain things private.
Through a little research, I actually found her FB page.
Yes, she is an officer--a Correctional Officer at Lancaster County Prison, according to her FB page.
So in a way, she is "catfishing", by misrepresenting her actual job.
Yes, she is an officer--a Correctional Officer at Lancaster County Prison, according to her FB page.
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Oh lord. So I guess she does know Kate doesn't give them significant trouble. She's never had to lock her up.
Yes, there's no such thing as County Police. LOL
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There isn't here either. "County" law enforcement is the sheriff. Police are paid by the state and cities. I'm not exactly sure if that's typical though.
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Oh, and I've never mentioned it before, but I am a sheriff. Badge: 867-5309. County: Mayberry, RFD.
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Hey now, that's MY number, Barnie Fife!
As a corrections officer she wouldn't have access to police reports as to whether or not complaints have been made against anyone. She'd better hope that someone doesn't report her to the corrections facility because she can delete tweets (I don't know if she has) but you can bet someone's got screen shots.
oh brother . Since she's never been in jail in Lancaster county where she doesn't live she's an upstanding citizen lol
As a corrections officer she wouldn't have access to police reports as to whether or not complaints have been made against anyone. She'd better hope that someone doesn't report her to the corrections facility because she can delete tweets (I don't know if she has) but you can bet someone's got screen shots.
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Law enforcement/legal is a small community and it's possible she knows cops in various divisions to have a sense for what trouble Kate is or is not causing. It's amazing how much inside information that flutters around this community and how much I tend to hear about various things happening in the community before it's necessarily public, most of it reliable--so I tend to believe she MIGHT hear something along these lines. But, she didn't say she got her information because she knew people or had just "heard".
I always got the sense corrections officers were a little jealous of real cops and some really want to be a real cop. I also thought that many cops look down on corrections officers. Not that they should, corrections is an important, dangerous, upstanding career. But such behavior (I know this or that) can be an indication that she really wishes she were a real cop who does have direct access to this info, and not just stuck in a jail hallway working graveyard hearing information through the grapevine.
In any case, it's a moot point anyway. We have the actual police reports. I can judge for myself whether Kate is a menace to her community. I really don't care about the opinion of a correction's officer.
Yes, she is an officer--a Correctional Officer at Lancaster County Prison, according to her FB page.
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She's also attempting to establish herself as a 'vlogger' with a YouTube channel. The Kate related twitter exchange & subsequent discussion here appears to be the most attention she's received to date.
Rainbirdie (#43), perhaps this woman should do a little research on people who have associated with TFW and regretted it.
The comment which I mentioned earlier (@#33) has been deleted from K8's Instagram account. It was there approximately three hours ago (3:30 ET).
I take it she will not accept any criticism of Milo who must be gloating.
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"I always got the sense corrections officers were a little jealous of real cops and some really want to be a real cop. I also thought that many cops look down on corrections officers. Not that they should, corrections is an important, dangerous, upstanding career."
Correction's Officers ARE NOT jealous of "real cops". It's a different career choice. Believe me. They are put in just as many if not more dangerous situations They are not armed, where as an inmate may have several weapons on them. When the alarm sounds to assist another officer, they do not know what kind of situation they are facing. Many female corrections officers work in hard core male prisons It is not an easy job. Can be very hard on a person. Corrections officers can make a lot more money than cops too. Money is not always a reason to stay in a job. I know someone that "froze" during an alarm, and quit, the job wasn't for them.
Correction's Officers ARE NOT jealous of "real cops". It's a different career choice. Believe me. They are put in just as many if not more dangerous situations They are not armed, where as an inmate may have several weapons on them. When the alarm sounds to assist another officer, they do not know what kind of situation they are facing. Many female corrections officers work in hard core male prisons It is not an easy job. Can be very hard on a person. Corrections officers can make a lot more money than cops too. Money is not always a reason to stay in a job. I know someone that "froze" during an alarm, and quit, the job wasn't for them.
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Oh I agree, with you, I'm just saying there seems to be a bit of tension between the two professions. Kind of like you see between cops and firemen. Why would she imply she is a cop when in fact she is not?
"I'm an officer... considering I am local to her not one time was she nor anyone in her surroundings opposed a significant threat!"
If this person works at the prison on East King Street, with one phone call, I can easily find out if she's legit. That said, she is not local to Kate. Lancaster County is Lancaster County. Kate lives in Wernersville, Berks City. Never the twain shall meet.
kyle orrell @TheHeDevil 2h2 hours ago
@Kateplusmy8 is so lovable. Kate plus 8 always makes me smile. Please have endless seasons of this cause you're absolutely phenomenal
What is with these young, silly, naive boys who have crushes on much older female celebrities? Mommy issues?
Has Austin been flirting with Kate lately?
If this person works at the prison on East King Street, with one phone call, I can easily find out if she's legit. That said, she is not local to Kate. Lancaster County is Lancaster County. Kate lives in Wernersville, Berks City. Never the twain shall meet.
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Please don't do that. They have better things to do. Still, the fact that she doesn't live right near Kate doesn't mean she hasn't heard or otherwise gotten some inside information. One can obtain information about Kate from anywhere in the country, not just locally, if one is in the right place at the right time.
But her information is Kate has not caused significant threats for law enforcement. We have police reports which show exactly what problems she has caused or not caused. A corrections officer/preschool teacher's opinion about Kate based on the info they may have, is irrelevant.
Lol, I see now she referred to herself as an "officer" but conveniently left out CORRECTIONS officer. So she was being intentionally misleading about her role.
Please don't do that. They have better things to do.
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I wouldn't interfere with anyone on the job. This person is a friend of mine, with whom I speak all the time, not a prison guard, warden, corrections officer, etc., but one who would know the identity of this person. But in the whole scheme of things, you have to take what the alleged officer tweets with the proverbial grain of salt.
The tweeting local officer appears to be a bit on the sneaky side, one who wants attention.
The perceived tension between police and firemen is because firemen are are looked at as saviors while many "civilians" feel like the police are out to get them. Criminal justice 101. I've always felt that the two groups work hand-in-hand and in my daily dealings with them have never felt any tension. I agree with High Sodium Content's comments about Corrections Officers. It's not like in the movies or OITNB.
And here comes Gladys with more cute animal pics. She is such a hoot.
Could this be #Nanuq's brother from another mother?? Another beautiful #SnowWhiteShepherd... ❤ @Kateplusmy8
OT for those who casually follow The Church Women just for an evening chuckle:
Who killed Dar's Roger Wabbit?
So on 11/21, the day before K8's big premiere, People Mag published a little slide show on their site. Here's what the header looked like:
What Are Kate and Her 8 Up to Now?
More than 10 years after joining the reality TV world – and with a new season of Kate Plus 8 coming in January – the family looks forward
BY PEOPLESTAFF225
Season coming in January? Has TLC changed the schedule again? Or did they just get it terribly wrong? And why on earth do we need an "update" on where they are now when you just published a cover story barely 12 weeks ago? The photos are all from that shoot.
In the photos of everyone, Aaden and Joel are together (all the girls have separate photos, natch). One of them says that he hopes the show continues so he can go bungee jumping. So there it is: These kids absolutely know that without the show, they will not be going anywhere, let alone bungee jumping. What a PoS mother they have.
@Sheepless in Seattle (54) Speaking of Milo,has anyone seen the picture of someone she claims is LOM and their son?If that is her son,then milo must be a blond since clearly hes not getting his hair color genetics from his father. https://www.instagram.com/p/BNPtFF3hLjI/?taken-by=miloandjack2016
I feel sorry for any special needs children whose mothers LOVE Kate Gosselin and her military-style parenting.
Megan Skelton @MeganSkelton7 1h1 hour ago
@Kateplusmy8 I have always loved #KatePlus8 so much. I have 2 boys. One 10 with autism and one 4 with learning dis. #Schedulesarethebest
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Sad but true (#56), TFW admitted she goes to the spa once a month. Does she ever spend that kind of money on her children? Do they ever get a treat "just because," when the cameras aren't rolling, and TLC isn't footing the bill? Judging by that bungee jumping comment, I'd say no.
Tizzie (#58), imagine TFW being a role model for anything? Except for what NOT to do?
As far as admiring TFW for keeping strict schedules, I guess that fan doesn't realize that when the kids are filming, all routines are scattered to the 4 winds while TLC calls the shots. So for 10 years, C's needs have taken a back seat to those of a TV network.
What's best for him didn't matter to his mother, as long as she continued to ride the reality TV gravy train.
Jamesvader1194 said... 57
Milo has joked more than once about her and Kate being "dumb blondes." Though I think Kate is more of a dumb bleached blonde.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 59
Aside from taking them to an occasional movie (and photographing it to prove she did it), I think the answer is no. Forget about the spa, I'm pretty sure she gets away from the kids overnight at least once or twice a month. Just because.
The plot thickens.
Sara Snow @SNOWBUNNY_2015 3m3 minutes ago
@MiloandJack @Kateplusmy8 they know what happens to naughty boys #collinkilledhischickens theres a hashtag for ya milo
Sara Snow @SNOWBUNNY_2015 1m1 minute ago
@MiloandJack @Kateplusmy8 ask @EmilyCreighton what she knows about the chickens #screenshotsaturday
Em's trip with the Gosselins was the summer of 2014 (the New England "adventure"). So have the chickens been gone for over 2 years? What a strange story.
If it's true about the chickens, then Kate filmed TWO more years knowing that this child was in serious trouble. It doesn't get more despicable than that.
I think the chickens are only gone because Collin was the main caretaker of them. I watched the latest special on demand and A and J were taking Styrofoam egg crates from a downstairs fridge. Now those two boys make lunch for everyone. The girls place their orders on post-its the night before. I think it's vicious for such a rumor to be started about Collin with no basis. The chickens have gone to Forrest or elsewhere IMO. Collin was on the show but appeared twitchy and very flat of affect.I guess it was just months before he too was gone.
Formerly Duped said... 65
I have a hard time believing it, too. I thought the same thing as you, that the chickens are gone because their main caretaker isn't there. But what a story to make up. This Snow person won't post whatever DMs she got from Em, which means this is just nasty speculation.
The chickens were there during the birthday special in 2014 though.
-ajw
So people are now speculating that C killed the living creatures he'd been tending for years? He's a child, who never asked for this attention, and deserves the benefit of the doubt.
And yet TFW has dug in her heels and says doesn't regret a minute of filming, because she has a decade worth of home movies. She is a horrible mother.
They were also there for the Mother's Day special last year.
I'm not liking this speculation about Collin. Let's just give him the benefit of the doubt. I really think his issues are behavioral and has a hard time dealing with certain things (such as change, etc) without hitting, punching, etc. Delayed emotional coping skills I would say.
-ajw
Anonymous said... 67
So maybe it was Mommy in a clown suit that was the final straw? Sorry, I know it's not a laughing matter.
I went to EM (Emily's) twitter and found this on Aug. 24th.Another poster her reply of "Absolutely disgusted right now. One word; selfish." But I was wondering what she was replying to. And this is it: "cld this be about Kate dumping Collin off? Institutionalizing him? Yeah. Selfish. And getting $ to talk about it".
Yep EM is out of the Gosselin family just like all the rest. I guess she didn't know how to help Kate either.
I agree that the chickens have gone to Forrest or some other farmer friend because C was their main caretaker and no one else wanted to do it. I really think that rather than just the vague statement that the chickens are gone TFW should have said something like "we decided to rehome them because they got to be too much work and with the kids' schedules we just couldn't keep up with them." Of course there's always the possibility that the great chicken departure will be part of an episode.
Leslie said... 71
I went to EM (Emily's) twitter and found this on Aug. 24th.Another poster her reply of "Absolutely disgusted right now. One word; selfish." But I was wondering what she was replying to. And this is it: "cld this be about Kate dumping Collin off? Institutionalizing him? Yeah. Selfish. And getting $ to talk about it".
Yep EM is out of the Gosselin family just like all the rest. I guess she didn't know how to help Kate either.
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I'm not sure what that Tweet from Em means. She still favorites IG posts that Kate makes which seems to mean there's still a connection.
@Jane The thing is,if they're still in touch then how come Kate is not following EM on IG?She has followed most of her loyal fans but not emily.
NJGal51 (#72), if the chicken details were going to be in an upcoming episode, I think TFW would've done one of her obnoxious "stay tuned;)" teases. Unless it's something sad, like they'd gotten sick and had to be given away.
Speaking of missing pets...didn't TFW write some rambling blog post when a fish died, and they had a funeral, and she tried to make herself seem like the bestest, most sensitive mommy in the world?
Another one who understands that what's she's seeing is all for the camera, and to take advantage of TLC paying the tab. Does she really think K8 doesn't know all the labor-saving tricks in the book? And has the money to use them?
XXXXX @XXXXX 1m1 minute ago
@Kateplusmy8 just watched 10 year lookback. You need http://peapod.com or http://boxed.com . Would simplify your life!!!
Jane (71) and Leslie (73),
I don't think Em has seen the family in person since trip 2 years ago. A while ago she made a few comments about how she "misses" Kate and Aaden on IG. I really do think Kate cut her off once that whole debacle happened with the DMs.
-ajw
Sad but true (#76), the ultimate thing that would make TFW's life easier is if she and her kids could live in separate houses. I suppose sending one away was a step in that direction.
A different perspective on TFW's statement about 'no more chickens':
It's possible she meant she's not added to the chicken count, nor replaced any that died. As in, we still have the chickens, we just haven't gotten any more. Maybe? lol
Good grief the new season start Tuesday.
When she Kate going to be cancelled for good.
Sherri said... 79
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True, but the boys got what looked like store-bought cartons out of the fridge. Kate used to keep the chickens' eggs in a bowl in the upstairs fridge and replenish it daily.
Sherri (#79), ah, there's an interesting theory.
So maybe since TFW got more dogs, she was making it clear she wasn't getting more chickens?
Chefsummer (80)
Yes, it looks like the 10-year thing was supposed to be a special, and the actual season starts on Tuesday. Hard to tell since TLC is practically ignoring the fact that the show exists. So there will be 3 trips, 2 birthdays, and new puppies. Throw in some shopping and another looking back episode, and that's it. Same as every other season except for the puppies. Snore.
Layla said... 83
So same old same old? Sounds exciting.
Where did the $750,000 figure come from?
@Sassccha @Kateplusmy8 @TLC it appears MsAbusiveGreedySow gets $750,00 per season of which the kids get $200,000 splits 8 ways.
"I don't think Em has seen the family in person since trip 2 years ago. A while ago she made a few comments about how she "misses" Kate and Aaden on IG. I really do think Kate cut her off once that whole debacle happened with the DMs." (Anon 77).
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Em likes older women, for some strange reason. As for being close with Carnie, I doubt it. I've known Carnie for years, and I wouldn't believe that Emily is close to her. She may admire her, fancy herself good friends, but let's just say that most times these celebrity friendships are pretty much one-sided. Shades of Gladys.
I just heard the girls (Wendy and Carnie) on the radio with "Hey Santa!" and it made me think of Emily and Kate and that whole fiasco with Cows. I can't believe that she actually trusted that person, and failed to check out her tweets, profile and such. Of course, we really don't know if all of that occurred, or if it was faked by Cows.
Chef, it's nice to see you!
Layla (#83), isn't it a snoozefest? With all the amazing TV options available to viewers in 2016, The Learning Channel presents a family shopping, taking trips, and having birthday parties. Where exactly is the learning in that?
Em likes older women, for some strange reason. As for being close with Carnie, I doubt it. I've known Carnie for years, and I wouldn't believe that Emily is close to her. She may admire her, fancy herself good friends, but let's just say that most times these celebrity friendships are pretty much one-sided. Shades of Gladys.
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It's weird, I saw the very same thing with the celeb I worked for and about three or four fans. These fans really believed they had a close friendship, and in their defense, celeb encouraged it. Calling them out by name in thank you speeches, sending personal notes, etc. Celeb was just using them to do free things. For the longest time a fan ran the official web site, for free, which I guess would be unheard of these days. Another fan would take all the family photographs, since photography was her hobby--that also would have costs, over the years, thousands of dollars to pay a professional. They also relied on fans to organize various meet and greet events, things that you would have to spend thousands of dollars on to pay a party organizer. It bothered me, I felt like they were being taken advantage of. One of them I quite liked, she was moderately disabled, and we pretty much became friends. But I also saw a side of her that was very needy and thus very apt to being sucked in.
Behind closed doors, I heard people say those fans were strange and the kids were never close to them no matter how much the fans may have wanted that. It seemed almost cruel to be so nice to their face but then turn around and bash them, then use them. Ugh, and I know for a fact it's still going on and even worse.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 78
Sad but true (#76), the ultimate thing that would make TFW's life easier is if she and her kids could live in separate houses. I suppose sending one away was a step in that direction.
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But then she'd have no one to control. If she truly didn't want them around they'd be in boarding schools, which would be a good place for them.
Kate used to keep the chickens' eggs in a bowl in the upstairs fridge and replenish it daily.
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Didn't they take the empty cartons to the chicken coop to collect the eggs and bring them back to the house? Or am I remembering that process from another show where they did that? lol
The thing about Em and finagling the babysitting that really struck me? Yeah, that totally happens and has happened. Celebs really are this dumb, and really do sometimes just pull fans out of the woodworks, no background checks, no vetting, nothing, and tap them to do things. Like how this one fan ended up devoting god knows how many unpaid hours running an official web site.
It's a right place right time kind of thing. And one thing I've noticed about rich people is some of them are so cheap they will risk personal safety, like allowing a fan you barely know around your kids, if it's free.
I just watched the program On Demand and made the following observations:
1) Why did Kate have to ask on FILM who was going to Jon's? Then she said she needed to know because she needed to make a Dr. appt. What difference would it make? She still would have had to gone to the school to pick-up up Alexis and the twins. She did that solely for the cameras. And one day her kids will realize this.
2) It was telling that Aaden and Joel both admitted on film that they don't get as much attention as the girls. This was said when they were packing lunches. Then on the couch the boys made the comment that the girls needed to show respect to their Mother and were always arguing. It is all very telling and verifies what we have all thought. And then Kate admits again that her kids all argue as soon as this come home from school. Why all the turmoil in that house? It is because of Kate and what she models for them. Another thing she filmed that is not in her regular routine is grocery shopping with them. And $1,300 is greedy on her part. No doubt TLC picked up the bill. Her basement is stockpiled with goods.
3) And what she did on film that morning was not her normal routine. She even admitted it. She portrayed getting up at 6am and she was up before all the kids. Yet she admits she really doesn't get up until 6:15 or later and the kids have to knock on her door to get her up. Then she is back in the kitchen after the morning drop off cooking dinner and doing laundry. Bull again...she states that she usually cooks in the afternoon and sometimes goes back to bed. She admits she does laundry on Sundays and Mondays. Why Sundays--she should be in church and relaxing with her family. But no she does chores on Sunday when she has over 40 hours to do them when the kids are in school. She said during the school day she is always playing beat the clock. BULLSHIT! She admits her kids help her prep, cook and clean the kitchen. So why she is always so swamped in household chores. She isn't. And when they were finished dinner, a girl with a very bushy ponytail was loading the dishwasher. So she has help that she is not acknowledging.
4) She stated Joel and Aaden got up at 5am to use the one laptop. Why not the girls? And why only one laptop? The woman is a freaking multi-millionaire. And somebody else on this board mentioned that the girls had more computer time than the boys.
5) When she mentioned her divorce she said, "It was just one of those changes that life changes". I swear the woman cannot speak. And to describe your divorce like that is so telling.
6) Her hair is so yucky and her nails are more yucky. Get is cut to the shoulders and take out the extensions. And get rid of those french fake nails. Both are outdated.
7) At dinner one of the 12 year old tups asks if they ate enough dinner to get dessert as she shows her plate to her Mother for inspection. Really? And Collin's left shoulder jerked three times very noticeably and then he was fighting with Alexis at the table. And when they were eating dessert he was banished from the kitchen.
8) It was heartbreaking the way she boasted and talked about all her kids except for Collin. She made a snide remark that he is definitely not layed back (or something like that) anymore. No doubt he will notice this and feel badly about it.
9)And why does the world need to know Joel felt good enough was good enough and Kate had to give him the "talk" that it wasn't enough. And Kate asking her 11 year old how badly he wants to succeed in life and telling him it starts with him helping her finish the igloo.
Then she said she needed to know because she needed to make a Dr. appt. What difference would it make? She still would have had to gone to the school to pick-up up Alexis and the twins. She did that solely for the cameras
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She's so stupid. You don't make any doctor's appointments during Jon's visitation time because you are to bring ALL the children to his visits. It's as simple as that. What a lame excuse to bring up visitation.
Admin (#90), many of us were surprised when Em cozied up to the G children at that event. And what was Mama Bear's response? Oh, a pretty young blonde! Well, kids, hop up on her lap! I guess she passed Rat Claws' test somehow, because she apparently wasn't wrestled to the ground. My guess is she came bearing gifts. That's a sure-fire way to get her attention. But, as Mrs. Uggs will tell you, it doesn't last.
IIRC, Bethenny Frankel hired her #1 fan to work on her show, or her blog-something like that.
Didn't end well.
It's a no-brainer to not encourage too much personal attachment with these Super Fans.
And then Kate admits again that her kids all argue as soon as this come home from school. Why all the turmoil in that house?
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I think part of it is because those kids are STUCK on the compound, unable to be with anyone else outside of each other.
It's ridiculous that Kate allows all the in-fighting to occur.
4) She stated Joel and Aaden got up at 5am to use the one laptop. Why not the girls? And why only one laptop?
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Utterly ridiculous. There is no reason whatsoever that she shouldn't provide each child with their own laptop.
5am? God, she's sick.
Flimsy,
Em tried to impress Kate with a few gifts I suppose. Why those kids (especially Hannah) warmed up to her so quick I don't know. Who puts a child she barely knows in their lap?
-ajw
Tucker's Mom (#94), knowing TFW as we do, that all may have been faked for the cameras, so that TFW might score some new free laptops. Would anything surprise us at this point?
And then Kate admits again that her kids all argue as soon as this come home from school. Why all the turmoil in that house?
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I think part of it is because those kids are STUCK on the compound, unable to be with anyone else outside of each other.
It's ridiculous that Kate allows all the in-fighting to occur.
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Yes and the other part of it is apparently the adults, and frankly that includes the nanny, are not laying down the law. Telling them enough with the bickering and fighting, enough. And if it continues, BOTH parties who are fighting lose privileges and/or are sent to their rooms. It'll probably take weeks to end a very bad habit, but it will end once a 12 year old decides they'd actually like to use the cell phone that they have.
Bickering IS a bad habit, and many people will fall into it if they don't catch themselves. There must be so much stress in that house from the constant negativity.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 90
And one thing I've noticed about rich people is some of them are so cheap they will risk personal safety, like allowing a fan you barely know around your kids, if it's free.
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People will spend millions on ridiculous status things then be the ultimate cheapskates when it comes to who is raising their children. 40k a term for preschool but the nanny is lucky to get 10 dollars an hour.
I hope that at least the boys aren't getting up at 5am to do schoolwork on the laptop because that's the only time they can use it.
IIRC, Bethenny Frankel hired her #1 fan to work on her show, or her blog-something like that.
Didn't end well.
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Is that right? Yeah, it didn't end well for Selena either.
I kinda-sorta get it. I guess they think, well I want someone who really loves me and gets me to be in my inner circle. Except the very fact that a grown adult has gone that deep into celeb-worship should be a HUGE red flag.
I really think in my case though it was mostly about getting work done for free or cheap. They seriously were the cheapest person I have ever met. Comes from being raised by the WW2 generation who did without so much I guess, I don't know. It was really one of those things where if you didn't make a big point of asking to get paid every Friday, no one was going to cut you a check and you'd never see the money. It got obnoxious. And a fan sure as hell was never getting paid, not one red cent.
Another danger about letting fans into your inner circle is the fans all talk to each other now, and when one fan perceives that another fan is getting special treatment, it just causes huge conflicts. It's really only a matter of time before someone else gets hurt, again. If not Kate, or Bethany, somebody else. You just can't interact with fans like this without playing with fire.
"Bickering IS a bad habit, and many people will fall into it if they don't catch themselves. There must be so much stress in that house from the constant negativity." (admin 97).
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Milo needs to move in and spread her positivity, peace, and platitudes. All will be good then.
I also wonder if part of the bickering is that
the kids are now old enough so that the production crew is truly cramping their style.
This is not a houseful of toddlers anymore. In 6 months, there will be 7 teenagers under that roof, along with a crazy mom, the
not-a-nanny and assorted household helpers, 3 dogs, and the entire TLC production crew. And the kids are supposed to be just blithely getting on with their everyday activities?
They may not be ready to blame their mother for the stress in that household, and having to put their own activities on hold for filming. But arguing and acting out could be their way of processing it all.
Her hair is so yucky and her nails are more yucky. Get is cut to the shoulders and take out the extensions.
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Those aren't extensions. That's her hair!
Of course there are rumors about Colin on Twitter now. Where he is, what he's doing, why he left. Some of the rumors get mean because some fans are crazy. But it's 99% Kate's fault. She put it in People. She went on GMA. Most importantly, she refuses to go on record as saying that she doesn't want rumors about him, that he's a good kid who needs extra help. All these interviews, he's plodding along, his diagnosis is fluid, etc. Did she ever say anything nice about him? I can't think of anything.
Leslie, good observations. I also noticed Collin's shoulder jerks.
On one list, it was stated that the three tup girls could have extra time on the computer- not the boys??? Hannah was bothering Aaden when he was trying to use the computer.
Joel was earnestly saying he loved to help make lunches because they actually get to TALK to Mommy. Couldn't they talk to her before ? Anyway, chicken duty is definitely gone.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 87
Chef, it's nice to see you!
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Thanks you.
And I had to come back after I saw the listing for new season of k8. I had to make sure I wasn't having a nightmare-(lol) nope she's bacccck.
I had no idea celebs entrusted their fans like this anyway. If that's the case, why didn't Kate ask that other fan girl to come and help?
-ajw
Those kids fight because Kate taught them to fight. She berated Jon, various relatives, and her various helpers. Probably the tv crew too. The children were yelled at for every infraction, no matter how minor. The girls were constantly pitted against the boys for just about everything. They weren't given love by their mother. When you grow up having anger modeled, you learn anger. I'm sure, even if they hate the fighting, they don't have the emotional skills to break the cycle. Unfortunately, that can have long lasting effects on their lives. Making friends, taking criticism from teachers, working at a job, sustaining a romantic relationship.
OMG, this is soooo lame.
Christian Snyder @csnyder5 42m42 minutes ago
I was sort of mentioned on an episode of Kate Plus 8 😱 I thought that was me who tweeted that so I looked and found the tweet! @Kateplusmy8
Imbedded in his tweet is a clip of Kate on the couch mentioning that this guy sent her a tweet (early January) where he says, did you know it's been 10 years since your first special? And she's like, No, I hadn't realized! Can you say bullsh*t?
And Doofus has started this week's promotion:
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 30m30 minutes ago
Never SETTLE for just any ole' TV...watch the chaos, the fun, the teen yrs have begun! #KatePlus8 on @TLC Tues.10pm Nov.29th! @Kateplusmy8
I'm sure, even if they hate the fighting, they don't have the emotional skills to break the cycle. Unfortunately, that can have long lasting effects on their lives. Making friends, taking criticism from teachers, working at a job, sustaining a romantic relationship.
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You're right ,they don't know how to stop it. It's all they know. Some will never stop handling life in that contentious manner, and you're right, they will find that most boyfriends/girlfriends, bosses, friends, and other relatives don't like nasty interactions like that, which will result in many life failures for them. Others will recognize the problem, and fork over thousands of dollars in therapy that may or may not help. What a shame.
Formerly Duped said... 108
Joel was earnestly saying he loved to help make lunches because they actually get to TALK to Mommy. Couldn't they talk to her before ? Anyway, chicken duty is definitely gone.
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I believe that she spends very little time with these kids outside of the necessary dining minutes and school drop-off (which I don't doubt is often handled by a nanny). I think she spends most of her day shopping or in her room. And as soon as dinner is over, she goes right back there. This is not a person who enjoys spending time with her children---unless she's getting paid for it.
I was just googling around to see if I could find other examples of celebs hiring fans, and wouldn't you know it, Miley Cirus's assistant was an obsessed fan.
People are stupid, folks.
They may not be ready to blame their mother for the stress in that household, and having to put their own activities on hold for filming. But arguing and acting out could be their way of processing it all.
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Really good observation. I think their realization may come in stages for some of them. It might not be an overnight epiphany. The first stage may very well be starting to recognize they actually don't like some aspects of filming, though not quite laying blame on anyone yet. The second stage might very well be acting out in response to these new and confusing emotions over something they more or less went along with for so long.
I imagine the third stage is realizing I don't have to necessarily do what the adults want me to do. I have my own opinions about what I want for myself.
The final stage will be laying blame at the various parties who did this to them.
People will spend millions on ridiculous status things then be the ultimate cheapskates when it comes to who is raising their children. 40k a term for preschool but the nanny is lucky to get 10 dollars an hour.
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I was paid pretty decently, but I was not always treated right, and was talked down to sometimes, ordered about, and blamed for things that were not my fault. I shouldn't have to ask every week to get paid, and my hours should be respected. Yet other times I was treated like a daughter and got lots of perks and so forth which felt genuine, which puts you in a state of confusion.
I just kind of took it, but when talking with fellow caregivers we would often shake our heads and say wouldn't you treat the person you are entrusting your kids to like gold? Why would you risk pissing them off and they take it out on your kids? Not that any of us would dream of taking it out on the kids, the kids have nothing to do with it, but how can they be sure of that?
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 30m30 minutes ago
Never SETTLE for just any ole' TV...watch the chaos, the fun, the teen yrs have begun! #KatePlus8 on @TLC Tues.10pm Nov.29th! @Kateplusmy8
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Settling would be watching this dreck on TLC. With all of the amazing programming out there, and streaming, I can not even FATHOM wasting my time watching just about anything on that channel.
I have no idea what channel it's on in my lineup and hope it stays that way.
Settling would be watching this dreck on TLC. With all of the amazing programming out there, and streaming, I can not even FATHOM wasting my time watching just about anything on that channel.
I have no idea what channel it's on in my lineup and hope it stays that way.
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When I tune into programs like The Crown, or The Fall or Better Call Saul, or Homeland, Game of Thrones (I could go on and on), I'm amazed there are any reality shows even left. Kate is very, very lucky given the high caliber of television right now. TV is written and produced by film people now with film-like budgets. There's no longer this separation their used to be which tended to make TV of somewhat lower quality than film. Nowadays, you can find a TV show that is just as good as an Oscar nominated film.
It is interesting that the 19 kids in the Duggar home are so well behaved. Yes, they are a strange family on so many points but their kids' behavior is learned from their calm parents. (Yes, the parents have tons of issues but I am just talking about how kids live what they learn so please don't attack me about the Duggars). I am only making the point that Kate has 8 yelling, fighting, out of control, immature kids because Kate yells, fights, is out of control and immature. Her kids mimic her behavior. She sets the standard for the family.
And I do watch the Bates reality show and they have 19 very fun & well behaved kids. It is hard to really believe they are good friends with the Duggards. And again the point is I never see Ma Bates or Pa Bates screaming, freaking out, bossing the kids, and yelling orders. And my best childhood friend came from a family of seven kids and I visited their home very often and the parents were not like Kate and the kids were not fighting all the time either like the Gosselins. And my mother had five kids in six years and we were not a fighting, yelling family either.
I remember Donnie Osmond one time commented on the Gosselin kids fighting all the time and he said his seven or so siblings did not fight at all like the Gosselins do.
Here's a rhyme for you, Gladys -- there's chaos and fun, but it's minus one.
#K+7#Gr8TV#CWho?
Cruisin' Just As Fast (86)
That's interesting you mention that about Carnie because I checked Em's Twitter and Emily made a tweet about Carnie saying how much she missed her and such. Thought that was strange. I think a lot of it has to do with her needing to know various people in the industry because she is a theatre major after all and it's good to have those connections (which isn't that bad tbh).
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I thought the part where Joel mentioned they don't get to talk to Kate as much was interesting. Its clear Kate always seemed to "favor" the girls more than the boys but does she even TRY to make an effort to talk with them? Do they try to talk to her?
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That's interesting you mention that about Carnie because I checked Em's Twitter and Emily made a tweet about Carnie saying how much she missed her and such. Thought that was strange. I think a lot of it has to do with her needing to know various people in the industry because she is a theatre major after all and it's good to have those connections (which isn't that bad tbh).
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Eh, it's not as important as just being really talented, working really hard, and being really tenacious. Em should spend time acting as much as she possibly can and going on as many auditions as she possibly can and taking every job she possibly can, and get off twitter.
You don't get into an audition and say oh and by the way, I know Carnie Wilson.
I think Carnie Wilson sounds like a gem, but this business is about talent. Even if someone happens to know someone, like even their own parent, it really doesn't matter if at the end of the day they're not talented. You can't hide behind Carnie Wilson if in the end you're not that good because you spent too much time on twitter.
Em is a fan of Carnie Wilson, Cher, Cyndi Lauper, and TFW. Three of these women are talented, award-winning entertainers, with careers that span decades, and generally good reputations. As they sang
on Sesame Street back in the day, one of these things is not like the other...
A few years ago I was stopped at a red light, and the lady in the car next to me was talking to her dog in such a sweet way.
I thought, aw, that must be a nice person. And I smiled at her and she smiled back and I realized it was Carnie Wilson!
Leslie said... 120
It is interesting that the 19 kids in the Duggar home are so well behaved. Yes, they are a strange family on so many points but their kids' behavior is learned from their calm parents. (Yes, the parents have tons of issues but I am just talking about how kids live what they learn so please don't attack me about the Duggars). I am only making the point that Kate has 8 yelling, fighting, out of control, immature kids because Kate yells, fights, is out of control and immature. Her kids mimic her behavior. She sets the standard for the family.
And I do watch the Bates reality show and they have 19 very fun & well behaved kids. It is hard to really believe they are good friends with the Duggards. And again the point is I never see Ma Bates or Pa Bates screaming, freaking out, bossing the kids, and yelling orders. And my best childhood friend came from a family of seven kids and I visited their home very often and the parents were not like Kate and the kids were not fighting all the time either like the Gosselins. And my mother had five kids in six years and we were not a fighting, yelling family either.
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TLC went into the deal with the Gosselins with the story ideas of chaos, screaming, wackiness, fighting. They went into the Duggars show with a totally different story idea. That's the biggest difference.
I remember Donnie Osmond one time commented on the Gosselin kids fighting all the time and he said his seven or so siblings did not fight at all like the Gosselins do.
"People will spend millions on ridiculous status things then be the ultimate cheapskates when it comes to who is raising their children."
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So true. I use to work in the saving and loan business in the 80's. I was the saving manager at a branch in the influential area in Charlotte. There was this man in his 60's who was very loaded. I mean millionaire status and that was just what he had at our S&L. Those were the days where CD's were kept in passport books. And he literally had a huge bundle of them from other banks. He dressed like he was literally homeless and drove a car from the 60's that you would not take if he gave it to you for free. My manager told me to drive by his home after work one day; it was literally around the block from the branch. It was this very old, stately, beautiful home that was in horrible condition. I was still stunned even though he dressed poorly and drove a dump of a car. This opened my eyes to the above comment how the very rich can be very strange about spending their money.
This opened my eyes to the above comment how the very rich can be very strange about spending their money.
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Of course this could be why they have money...they never spend it!
Tamara so true what you said about TLC but Kate may star in a reality series but she needs to raise her children in reality. And the reality is she is the one who has and is primarily teaching these kids how to behave. The great majority of their time is and has been spent with her as their role model. And we see her freaking out all the time. Her mode is yelling and screaming.
Children personalities are basically set by age five or so. I think Kate royally screwed up by 1)Filming the hell out of her toddlers & small children when their personalities were being formed. This was the time when Jon and Kate Plus 8 were filming a tremendous amount of tv episodes. I think it was four to five seasons. All that filming and the kids excessive traveling during that time was totally unfounded and added tremendous stress on the marriage and all the children. Her mind and time was not spent on her children but on her fame and fortune. In addition Kate and Jon (because of Kate) spend so many weekends away during that time going to speak at churches to collect more money instead of spending family time with her kids during her downtime.
Then she admits she spent many weekends away holed up in a motel writing Multiple Blessings with Beth. Then came all the book tours she did. Jon stated that she would come home, repack and leave again right before the separation. Of course they divorced at that time. Then came the paps intruding their lives and front yard. The kids were 5 or 6. It was pure chaos for the eight.
In January 2010 Kate gave a People interview. She said,
"They start counseling in the next two weeks,” she reveals. “I found an awesome counselor who will come to us, and she will be working with them. I’m definitely seeing signs that it’s a major need at this point. For some more than others, but they’re all really struggling with the absence of a parent.” So what does Kate do when she knew her kids were in "major need of counseling and really struggling". Of course, she signs up for DWTS and was gone for weeks at a time with an occasional pop-in. Anybody remember this: http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/kate-gosselin-returns-home-then-leaves-kids-again-2010224
I do and I especially remember Colin at the door super upset at Kate leaving AGAIN. His other Daddy, Steve, had to take him aside and calm him.
Oh lets not forget she was also shooting "Twist of Kate" because she announced it on DWTS. And was also shooting Kate Plus 8 that started a few weeks after DWTS.
No wonder her kids are misbehaved. They were literally raised in a tv studio at their other home from age 18 months to five. When they were not in the studio, they were flying all over or driving for hours filming. They were raised by a slew of different nannies too through the many years. It was more important for Kate to go to New York continually to have two sets of 20 hour hair extensions and hair cuts. She spent so much time In New York on the View, The Today Show, Extra, E!,etc. promoting herself rather then spending time disciplining her very needy, troubled kids.
Yeah, she was there for her kids, my ass. She NEVER put her kids first. She disgusts me to no end.
He dressed like he was literally homeless and drove a car from the 60's that you would not take if he gave it to you for free. My manager told me to drive by his home after work one day; it was literally around the block from the branch. It was this very old, stately, beautiful home that was in horrible condition. I was still stunned even though he dressed poorly and drove a dump of a car.
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That's fascinating. I think money makes some people paranoid, irrational or both. Moreso when people didn't always have money. You see this all the time, a rich person not acting rich. Not that you should overspend once you have money, but at the very least you could replace your old tattered Rebox with something a little sturdier.
19 kids in the Duggar home are so well behaved. Yes, they are a strange family on so many points but their kids' behavior is learned from their calm parents.================
Woah! For one thing, each & every child was blanket trained. (Just look it up..) The sad summary is that the babies are whacked if they attempt to crawl off of the blanket.
Secondly, they have all been trained (brainwashed) into always portraying a calm and joyful demeanor. Their own personal feelings & expressions are not allowed. The must always look pleasant & respectful towards everyone or risk being banished from their community. That's why Michelle, and all the married girls look at their men so adoringly, (blech) as their husbands have now replaced their father. It is a patriarchal society and women have only one job.. To please her husband in all ways. And that goes for the kids. They must be pleasant-right down to the expression on their faces or they will be punished.
O.K. Admin., you got me. What is Rebox? From the content you must be talking about his old car. I googled the word to no avail. Any insight for this ole Texan gal!
Leslie said... 120
It is interesting that the 19 kids in the Duggar home are so well behaved. Yes, they are a strange family on so many points but their kids' behavior is learned from their calm parents. (Yes, the parents have tons of issues but I am just talking about how kids live what they learn so please don't attack me about the Duggars).
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I am absolutely not attacking you but I want to say that the Duggar children are blanket trained as babies and toddlers and who knows how disciplined as children. If you aren't sure what blanket training is(I apologize if you do know), the baby as young as 6-7 months is placed on a blanket and the second it moves an inch off the blanket, is either smacked or hit with a thin tree branch(I cannot remember the english word for it). The whole thing is done for as long as it takes for the child to understand that the blanket edges are boundaries. That and ignoring the kids' cry I would think makes for quiet calm kids.
Leslie - I took rebox to mean reebok sneakers and autocorrect changed it.
I'll say it again, the G kids are a living, breathing experiment. No one knows how things are going to end up. Like a teenager who has poor decision-making abilities, TFW has parented in the moment -- not thinking ahead to how her decisions would effect her children down the line. And those decisions almost always seem to made based on what's best for HER.
When TFW had TV lighting installed in her home, I'm sure she thought that was a super practical idea. But did she notice one of her children had certain sensitivities that might be negatively impacted by that kind of stimulation? If she did, it sure didn't stop her. TFW thinks if she continues to shout "I would do ANYTHING for my kids," it grants her immunity from negative judgment about her. It doesn't. And since she admitted she made her life our business -- by selling her children's privacy to a TV network -- she will continue to be subject to that scrutiny.
Her mind and time was not spent on her children but on her fame and fortune.
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Yes, this!
Kate's mind is always pre-occupied with her next opportunity to film or grift.
Secondly, they have all been trained (brainwashed) into always portraying a calm and joyful demeanor. Their own personal feelings & expressions are not allowed. The must always look pleasant & respectful towards everyone or risk being banished from their community.
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Exactly. Children are not allowed normal emotions. It's high treason if a kid pouts, gets upset or heaven forbid, voices discontentment.
The Duggars and their ilk raise their kids to smile OR ELSE.
If you aren't sure what blanket training is(I apologize if you do know), the baby as young as 6-7 months is placed on a blanket and the second it moves an inch off the blanket, is either smacked or hit with a thin tree branch(I cannot remember the english word for it).
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It's called a "switch".
Most importantly, she refuses to go on record as saying that she doesn't want rumors about him, that he's a good kid who needs extra help. All these interviews, he's plodding along, his diagnosis is fluid, etc.
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Because she's incapable. She cannot, as she's proven from the beginning with these kids, EMPATHIZE with them. She cannot FEEL like the rest of the world. She will forever not see what she's done to them. It improbable. She's "perverted" and I say this, not in the sexual sense but that she has an abnormal reaction to things...anti-social. Her reaction to Colin's Mamma Bear gift is an example. Her reaction to it left us all scratching our heads. When she said "I don't get it" this is true. She will never fell genuine human emotions like the rest of us. At least there's some punishment or karma there.
Leslie - I took rebox to mean reebok sneakers and autocorrect changed it.
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Yes, channeling my inner church lady I guess!
But then she'd have no one to control
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So true!! As much as we know she loves not being around them, she NEEDS them to fulfill that gaping void in her soul. She gets off on "hurting" them, seeing shame and vulnerability, loves getting a reaction of fear or submissiveness. They are appliances to her, if your toaster stops working, you may bang it a few times. When someTHING breaks down and doesn't do what it's supposed to do, you don't really like it do you? Same with those kids. She doesn't feel normal feelings, CONTROL gives her some kind of "normal"..
TFW thinks if she continues to shout "I would do ANYTHING for my kids," it grants her immunity from negative judgment about her.
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Exactly.
'when your actions contradict
your words...your words
don't mean anything'
Vanessa said... 140
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Yes to this! Kate complained about how the studio lights bothered HER, but the kids? Tough luck.
Vanessa (#143), heck, TFW's own words contradict her own words! How many different stories have we heard about the morning routines at G manor? How many conflicting versions have we seen on film?
How many statements from TFW about her household "helpers," or lack thereof? If all those inconsistencies make our heads spin, how must the children feel?
Bad example using the Duggars. I forgot about the blanket training and suppressing their personalities.
But the point is large families do raise calm kids. Kate's excuse has always been she has too many and therefore she has to scream and yell. That 2 to 3 minute promotion clip for this season highlights Kate flipping out left, right, up, and down. Dang, her kids were telling her she is crazy and out of control. But of course we all know that she will never see it that away. You know I wonder if Colin's therapist has addressed her behavior and how it effects him. Ouch!
Before writing that comment (#130), I had just read TLC facebook page and was surprised how many people praised Kate in her parenting. In essence they were stating of course Kate flips out, who wouldn't with eight kids. She has done a great job raising those kids by herself. Those comments just set me off. Normally her facebook page has a lot of negative comments. And the great majority of them were positive towards her this time.
Yes many other large families have calm kids and I would even compare it to teachers and their classrooms. One can routinely find a classroom of 25-30 kids which is orderly, calm, and respectful of one another, and is that way without physical discipline of any kind. And these are kids that are probably even more different from each other than siblings. The bottom line is order and respect stems from who is in charge. If you have a teacher who is not respected and who doesn't know how to get a handle on a large group, chaos happens. Same goes for parents. No matter if you have two kids or eight kids, if a parent is not parenting, then kids will dissolve into what's happened to the G kids--disrespect, bickering, hitting, cruelty.
Quite frankly, Lord of the Flies had it right. Without firm guidance from adults who are in charge, kids can become quite ugly.
It fascinates me to see how people behave with their money and the choices they make. We had neighbors down the street who were very flashy spenders. They bought this Sub Zero double refrigerator, and remodeled their kitchen so that there was a straight line of sight from the front door to this monstrosity of a refrigerator. Then they left the front door open (there was a glass inner door that was closed) at all times so everyone who walked past would see this fridge. Then they bought matching his-and-hers Range Rovers, which were always in the driveway, never the garage. The bank foreclosed on their house months later.
Kind of like setting hourself up in a lifestyle that requires a reality show to maintain. How do these people justify that?
Vanessa said: "They are appliances to her, if your toaster stops working, you may bang it a few times. When someTHING breaks down and doesn't do what it's supposed to do, you don't really like it do you? Same with those kids. She doesn't feel normal feelings, CONTROL gives her some kind of "normal"..
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Bravo, great way of putting it. And yes Admin. the classroom is a great example of successfully managing a large group of kids.
If all those inconsistencies make our heads spin, how must the children feel?
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Yes, it's crazy making living with that kind of chaos. Plus, it's another control tactic. You start to question your version of events, or your memory...so that you become dependent on the abuser's memory or version. They make you think YOU'RE the crazy because the force their version down your throat until you believe it and then you don't even trust your own judgement or have difficulties making everyday decisions because someone has warped your reality. How many people have been coerced into confessing to crimes they didn't commit? Look at what she did with globegate? And on the other end of it, you maybe LIE about everything...the truth always gets you in some sort of crap.
I've brought this up before, but one of the most revealing moments of this whole thing was when Jon said he'd grown a beard, and didn't want to keep it, but TLC made him for continuity purposes. That told us that things were filmed out of sequence -- that something might have to be reshot later to make sense of things, or if something had gone wrong, or if the director and editor (Bill Blankinship) didn't have the right footage.
How in the blue-dilly heck does that scan with what TFW described as the "realest reality?" How is that "what you see is what you get?" How is that the kids just "running in and out of camera range?" She's been disingenuous from jump.
Leslie said... 146
But the point is large families do raise calm kids. Kate's excuse has always been she has too many and therefore she has to scream and yell. That 2 to 3 minute promotion clip for this season highlights Kate flipping out left, right, up, and down.
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Because Kate behaving badly is what brings on all that chaotic fun. She really does see herself as the center, the driver, of this farce of a reality show. She really does see herself as funny, as opposed to immature, obnoxious, and altogether cringeworthy.
Sad but true (152)
Yes, she does thinks she's funny rather than obnoxious. Like when she's screaming at the kids to give her the waffles and does that "ple-hee-hease" thing at the end. She thinks it's endearing, when others see it as obnoxious.
The tups' 12th birthday is on tomorrow night. Oh boy, another scavenger hunt. They've already done that. I guess they're out of ideas. It will be all about Kate, of course. How she came up with the idea, how much work it was to pull it off, how exhausted she is. Then she'll do lots of yelling during the event to make it all about her. Can't let the kids get too much screen time.
he's been disingenuous from jump.
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Kate has never so much as flinched when she lies, which is scary and telling. She has zero compunction about deception.
How would they try to look normal in a 2M home?
Layla said...148
Kind of like setting hourself up in a lifestyle that requires a reality show to maintain. How do these people justify that?
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That's what is worrying me about the 'Outdaughtered' family. They bought a house that can't afford (on his salary). This reality tv series isn't going to last. They don't have the appeal and HOM shows are no longer drawing big numbers. Hopefully, they will take their earnings from the show and pay the house off now and not expect to pay 30 years on it because if they do, they'll end up in foreclosure also.
She really does see herself as funny, as opposed to immature, obnoxious, and altogether cringeworthy.
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As Dr. Phil would say, Kate is quite pleased with the way she turned out.
Despite her insistence to the contrary, Kate is very aware of the cameras and her behavior is always altered by them. She turns the volume up to 11 whenever filming.
As to the chaos, I think it's due in large part to those kids being raised by a bevy of caregivers, nannies, babysitters and crew members, which led to lack on consistency on the one hand, and total dictatorship from their mother on the other hand.
When she was present which I would guess has *maybe* been 50% of the time.
That's what is worrying me about the 'Outdaughtered' family. They bought a house that can't afford (on his salary). This reality tv series isn't going to last. They don't have the appeal and HOM shows are no longer drawing big numbers. Hopefully, they will take their earnings from the show and pay the house off now and not expect to pay 30 years on it because if they do, they'll end up in foreclosure also.
November 28, 2016 at 8:39 AM
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The reason J+K+8 lasted as long as it did (and wold have gone strong for more years with Jon) is due to Kate being a controlling shrew of a woman, and Jon being her whipping boy.
Unless these new parents develop some sort of conflict and marital discord, they will be gone in a couple seasons.
If they don't get what production is looking for by now, they will soon.
They will "get" that "normal" on any level does not sell.
I grew up in an emotionally chaotic household. With the added confusion of rigid Catholic rules. We are seven siblings -- all older adults now. We all succeeded and have what I would define as "good" lives.
There is hope.
It does take time to untangle. A person must be able to observe the behavior of others and find examples you wish to follow. Hopefully, you don't select a marriage partner before you realize there are other calmer and kinder lifestyles.
The Gosselins will get out "on their own" -- they will have to decide what baggage behaviors they want to carry with them. They will learn quickly that some of what they have observed will NOT work in the regular world.
I will follow their story and always be wishing them a healthy life path.
I honestly believe the yelling filmed is not for show but is the actual world of these kids. Granted, Kate is an exaggerator (that phuuuu-ease) and her annoying sounds and facial expressions are her lame attempts at acting, but she is who she is and yelling is her means of communicating with her kids, and apparently according to Hannah, with Steve also.
She encourages competition between the kids - that's why there is so much chaos. Of course it's natural for siblings to fight, but it typically dissipates once they get older. I think they will all splinter away - and the poster who said just because she says she goes everything for her kids, it doesn't mean she does, hit the nail on the head. She is not fostering a "family" environment at all. It's kill or be killed in the Gosselin household.
And I think there is a difference between being cheap and being frugal. Kate is cheap, and always will be, as she only looks out for herself. My parents are retired and living comfortably - they are frugal, but never cheap.
And today's K8 promo from Milo:
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 5m5 minutes ago
#NotYourOrdinaryMom! Tune in #KatePlus8 Tues.10pm #TLC NEW episode of fun/chaos w/kids! #ScavengerHunt @kateplusmy8
Platitude:
I can confirm
I am anything
but ordinary and
therefore will never
accept ordinary.
Yawn. K8's Twitter TL has wound right back down to dead.
It's about time for Milo to start harassing TFW about a Twitter party tomorrow night. I wonder if TFW is desperate enough to say that she'll give a follow to those who quote a line from the show in the hopes of having more people attend. Got to show TLC how popular she is.
How can anyone equate chaos with fun? She is supposed to be so organized and yet there is chaos?? And why do fans think chaos is good parenting? I really do not understand. I really don't.
@Sad but true I was scrolling through her TL and i have to ask.What exactly did Robert say about goody in Gosselin book?Because hes not in the news ATM and yet she randomly tweets this.MsGoody2Shoes21
@msgoody2shoes21
F**k Robert Hoffman and his "book". @kateplusmy8
I'm sure Kate will be making a big deal tomorrow night of getting to 100K IG followers (she's currently at 99,500). Too bad at least 75K of those were purchased. And it continues to look like something less than 10K are "active."
I wonder if her absence over the past couple of days means filming. It's odd that we haven't gotten the "Watch me tomorrow!" post yet. The kids have today off, back to school tomorrow. Gotta cram in all you can.
I wonder if her absence over the past couple of days means filming. It's odd that we haven't gotten the "Watch me tomorrow!" post yet. The kids have today off, back to school tomorrow. Gotta cram in all you can.
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I hope not.
FFS, those kids need their school breaks to be breaks.
And, I hope Jon got to spend extra time with his children.
Tucker's Mom said... 156
She really does see herself as funny, as opposed to immature, obnoxious, and altogether cringeworthy.
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As Dr. Phil would say, Kate is quite pleased with the way she turned out.
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Not only is TFW pleased, she is pleased as punch.
I think when she checks her bank account to see if the TLC check for the latest episode has been deposited and it's there, she gets literally, punch drunk!
Dmasy (#158), thanks for sharing about you and your siblings. I so hope you are right -- that the G kids will forge better futures for themselves, despite all that's working against them. It is surely possible.
@Sad but true I honestly doubt they're filming already since the new season hasn't even started yet.It wouldn't make sense because it would make it seem like TLC wouldn't care how bad Kate rating could be.I'd be convince she'd have to be in bed with someone at the station cause you can't tell me TLC thinks under a million is good ratings.
Kate is definitely not frugal. That involves making a plan for how to save money while still get essential things. Kate has no shame demanding (not asking for) freebies. But she doesn't even plan those. How much of her Costco purchase will be thrown away? And she is never cheap when it comes to her own pleasure and comfort, only her children's. Her manicures, pedicures, spa trips, hair styling, limousines, cars, online shopping, plastic surgery. I end up believing she's got a mountain of money stashed away because how else could she sustain her current standard of living.
I end up believing she's got a mountain of money stashed away because how else could she sustain her current standard of living.
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Kate lavishes herself, but truly believes she sacrifices all the time, for her kids.
And by sacrifice, I mean, makes herself mother them.
Oh, and father them, too.
Ugh.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 126
A few years ago I was stopped at a red light, and the lady in the car next to me was talking to her dog in such a sweet way.
I thought, aw, that must be a nice person. And I smiled at her and she smiled back and I realized it was Carnie Wilson!
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That doesn't surprise me. Carnie is very much into pet rescue. She was always around dogs. Her father, Brian, had dogs Banana and Louie and recorded their bark for "Pet Sounds."
Carnie is nice, and funny, and friendly, and a real character, very much like you see her on television and in interviews.
TFW may see the writing on the wall and could be planning a YouTube channel. Pay your money to enter the side show and watch the chaos that is their life. It's easy to see that a popular YouTube channel can make a pile of money and she may envision her family as the next sensation. The problem is, who is going to pay to see them. When you buy followers on IG and twitter you may have a rude awakening when you see just how few fans there really are. I doubt that those that watch the show on TLC will be willing to buy a subscription to her YouTube channel. This is all just speculation on my part so please don't take any of it as gospel.
Cruisin' (#172), I'm glad to hear Carnie is a good egg!
NJGal51 (#173), oooh, I don't know, that sounds like something that would involve the 4-letter word TFW despises: WORK. It would clearly have to be run by someone who knew what they were doing. But maybe TFW could get some help using the many wonderful relationships with media folks that she's fostered through her decade in TV. *crickets*
This is all just speculation on my part so please don't take any of it as gospel.
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Well, if you started with "To be honest..." like Kate does, we'd surely take it as gospel!
Tucker's Mom said... 154
he's been disingenuous from jump.
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Kate has never so much as flinched when she lies, which is scary and telling. She has zero compunction about deception.
How would they try to look normal in a 2M home?
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She was really an innovator, ahead of the curve. She realised that the truth and facts don't matter anymore years before Donald did.
So long as she has cash to spend and people to control she'll put her life in the win category. Since she seems to manage money at least moderately well, and with eight children she's almost guaranteed at least two or three who'll stick around, she's sitting pretty forever. Or at least another ten to twenty years.
She was really an innovator, ahead of the curve. She realised that the truth and facts don't matter anymore years before Donald did.
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Oh, and we were doing so great....
@Sad but true I was scrolling through her TL and i have to ask.What exactly did Robert say about goody in Gosselin book?Because hes not in the news ATM and yet she randomly tweets this.MsGoody2Shoes21
@msgoody2shoes21
F**k Robert Hoffman and his "book". @kateplusmy8
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I can't remember exactly what he said about her. I think it was something about her being a crazy fan. There were a few pages of her insane tweets copied there. I am surprised that Goody didn't sue him and claim they were stolen or altered.
It would clearly have to be run by someone who knew what they were doing.
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Maybe she could call on her friend Miranda Sings.
ince she seems to manage money at least moderately well, and with eight children she's almost guaranteed at least two or three who'll stick around, she's sitting pretty forever. Or at least another ten to twenty years.
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I think TFW didn't have an ounce of financial investment know-how until she got with Steve Neild. Gina worked or still works for a investment company and Steve really impressed TFW with him and Gina showing her the road to financial freedom and many off shore accounts or in Swiss banks.
Remember Jon found some paper work with K8S LLC years ago and something else that TFW had Steve's name on it with her involving the kids? and Jon got it taken off. IIRC.
The woman is rich.
Yeah, Kate couldn't maintain a simple website, I hardly see her managing a YouTube channel, lol. I guess she could get Mady to do it tho.
kris said... 181
Yeah, Kate couldn't maintain a simple website, I hardly see her managing a YouTube channel, lol. I guess she could get Mady to do it tho.
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YouTube videos "Coming Soon!"
Yeah, Kate couldn't maintain a simple website, I hardly see her managing a YouTube channel, lol. I guess she could get Mady to do it tho.
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YouTube videos "Coming Soon!"
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Milo would be jumping up and down, over and under, wetting her pants if Kate asked her to do it. Remember how seriously she took her job as cub reporter/announcer during the marathon? She was freaking out in ecstasy over being Kate's chosen one. She could reprise that role and do the website challenge.
Cruisin' Just As Fast As She Can Now said... 178
@Sad but true I was scrolling through her TL and i have to ask.What exactly did Robert say about goody in Gosselin book?Because hes not in the news ATM and yet she randomly tweets this.MsGoody2Shoes21
@msgoody2shoes21
F**k Robert Hoffman and his "book". @kateplusmy8
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I can't remember exactly what he said about her. I think it was something about her being a crazy fan. There were a few pages of her insane tweets copied there. I am surprised that Goody didn't sue him and claim they were stolen or altered.
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I don't think he had to say much, he just copied and pasted a bunch of her tweets LOL
Goody can only behave and blow sunshine out her ass for so long. Eventually, this type of vitriol always seeps through.
Off topic, but does any one else think the husband from Outdaughtered is a big pussy? Does he ever go to work? Now grandma is part of the story to be support by the babies. UGH. I can't wait for all these minor kids to sue TLC and their parents for their childhoods back and their lack of privacy.
High Sodium Content said... 186
Off topic, but does any one else think the husband from Outdaughtered is a big pussy?
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I've only seen snippets, but uh, yeah ;-)
Frankly, so was Jon. Instead of being the man of his home and his family, he held the door open for others to lead his family.
No man would let some guy like Steve into his domain, let alone to pair off with his wife and galavant.
I kind of wonder if many guys who agree to sign up for a risk of high order multiples are a bit of a pushover at heart. Heh.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 187
I kind of wonder if many guys who agree to sign up for a risk of high order multiples are a bit of a pushover at heart. Heh.
November 28, 2016 at 6:54 PM
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Kate pressured Jon into going for another round of fertility treatments when he knew deep down that's not what he wanted. But, she wore him down until he capitulated.
Oh, I'm sorry. Kate prayed that the Lord would show Jon the light.
That's what happened.
Off topic, but does any one else think the husband from Outdaughtered is a big pussy? Does he ever go to work? Now grandma is part of the story to be support by the babies. UGH. I can't wait for all these minor kids to sue TLC and their parents for their childhoods back and their lack of privacy.
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Does anyone actually watch this stuff?
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 187
I kind of wonder if many guys who agree to sign up for a risk of high order multiples are a bit of a pushover at heart. Heh.
November 28, 2016 at 6:54 PM
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Kate pressured Jon into going for another round of fertility treatments when he knew deep down that's not what he wanted. But, she wore him down until he capitulated.
Oh, I'm sorry. Kate prayed that the Lord would show Jon the light.
That's what happened.
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Not to stereotype but I think most men are like, multiples? NOOOOO, how would we?! Let's just adopt if that's really such a risk.
Whereas many women are like, multiples? CUTE! We can dress them alike!
You have to find a guy who, basically, is willing to put practicality aside. Not in their nature.
kateplusmy8 Even Nanuq gets into shopping on Cyber Monday! #Nanuq #Shopping #MakingHerChristmasList
And there she is. #NookiePookie looking at a laptop. On the carpeted floor there is also her water bowl. Huh?
miloandjack2016 She does seem to be captivated by that screen! When I see her paws on that keyboard...you are in trouble! #NanuqPlacingHerOrder. 😋 @kateplusmy8
Oh Milo you are just. too. cute!!!
I second it....a You Tube channel after TLC cans her! I suspect she's already gotten the ax and the You Tube videos are a trial run. For sure, Mady will be involved. I am surprised she could do something like this while still under contract with TLC or maybe she's NOT.
Cruisin' -- I heard Hey Santa three times today at various places. It's a catchy song and now it's stuck in my head!
@Cruisin' Just As Fast As She Can Now (183)Apart from wishing Jon into a coma,i herd she was worse back then than now.She would talk about Jon's private area obsessively and i also saw a tweet where she told Kate that if any of the kids asked about her relationship with Jon to threaten them and say Jon is her enemy.Im not sure what she said about Robert but i herd there was alot of rumors that they spread about him.For example there was a post by Robert where he show one of the fans accusing him of abusing Shoka and other stuff.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 188
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You have to find a guy who, basically, is willing to put practicality aside. Not in their nature.
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Or one who's easily duped. :) "Just one more."
They put the ugly picture of her bending over, with her tongue almost sticking out in the silver top dress when she did that interview at the Grove and Steve forced her to take pictures with a couple of fans.
Wow, she was about to meltdown when Steve told her she needed to allow pictures with the fans.
http://globalgrind.com/1898801/kate-gosselin-accused-abuse-children-pets-details/
Kate seems like one of those parents where, instead of telling Mady to start the video over again and do it right this time, she just thinks everything she does is wonderful. The mannequin video was really bad, poorly lit and filmed so closely you had no sense of the scene, which is the whole point of the challenge. Nothing like that is going viral, and it should, a little bit at least, but for the poor filming.
Mady needs a parent to guide her, tell her when she's being rude, when she could try harder when making a video or start over, when she's not funny. She just isn't getting that.
Looks like Octomom is doing decent w/o Tv..Good for her.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3781725/I-kill-Octomom-save-life-Mom-14-Nadya-Natalie-Suleman-tells-shame-stripper-past-Xanax-addiction.html
Not every man wants to be the "leader" of the family. Some don't subscribe to the very traditional gender roles that you seem to think define "being a man."
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They may be traditional, but time and time again I've seen relationships fail when a man is not given some kind of leadership role. I think many men feel emasculated when always asked to take a step back, which causes discord. A healthy balance is probably best, with each party sometimes taking the lead so no one person feels they have no say. And I'm sorry, but a man should hold the door open for the women in his life, and I don't care if you think that's 19th century. That is one role that should not change. Women do plenty of things for him they're good at that make that little convenience up to him--that's not a sexual comment! :)
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