The youngest star of TLC's Little People, Big World, who has been filming the show since he was about seven years old, has been speaking out more frequently about his dislike of filming and his desire to protect other reality stars from a childhood played out on T.V. screens
Jacob recently met Jack Hamill, star of Our Little Family. Jacob had this to say on Instagram about the encounter (click to enlarge):
The post garnered more than 2,500 likes in less than fourteen hours. (On average, Jacob's Instagram posts get 800-1200 likes each).
Well done, Jacob, and keep speaking out. You have a unique perspective not many others can claim to possess.
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My grandmother used to iron cotton sheets, but I've drawn a line. :)
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My grandmother ironed underwear, towels and wash cloths.
Tucker's Mom said, "I have a large PA Dutch crock filled (overflowing) with dog toys on my hearth!"
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Yep. Same here. Everything in the free world ends up in there. I noticed the other day that it has a crack in it and I'm not sure how that happened! I'll blame it on the ghost. I blame everything on him. He doesn't talk back.
http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/jared-fogle-child-porn-guilty-subway-1201572884/
I'm reading this with eyes wide open once the details about Blankinship taught me what this may in fact entail
Rosie's daughter has been found.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/18/entertainment/rosie-odonnell-chelsea-missing-feat/index.html
I'm happy to hear that Rosie O'Donnell's daughter has been found safe. I find it confusing though that, while she was last seen a week ago, police appear to have been involved in the search only since Sunday.
bm
BM she was an AWOL minor, a runaway. Very low priority, absolutely o indication of foul play. Most of them don't want to be found and won't be found. They will be found when they want to be. The first thing I thought when I saw that was, she'll turn up. And she did.
I'm kind of sad Rosie disclosed the child has mental health problems. I understand she felt she had to do that so people would take this seriously and encourage her to go home. But now that young woman has been outed.
I'm kind of sad Rosie disclosed the child has mental health problems. I understand she felt she had to do that so people would take this seriously and encourage her to go home. But now that young woman has been outed.
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It can't be easy being a child of Rosie's.
It can't be easy being a child of Rosie's.
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I didn't want to assume this had anything to do with it, but I certainly wonder if it did. It is hard to be a child of a celebrity. Very hard.
I didn't want to assume this had anything to do with it, but I certainly wonder if it did. It is hard to be a child of a celebrity. Very hard.
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Rosie seems unstable to me on many levels, including relationships.
I'm glad Chelsea is OK, and hope Rosie and her bio-mom can come to some sort of working resolution.
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Our decor is very eclectic! I was going to do a dried flower arrangement with sunflowers inside of it, but still haven't gotten around to it.
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Speaking of which, just for the heck of it I'm in the process of drying some marigolds with 20 Mule Team Borax. You mix cornmeal with the borax and stick the plant in an airtight container so the moisture is sucked out. I've never tried this before so it's in the experimental stage.
Dmasy, since you're a vinegar enthusiast, I'm sure you must be on to this stuff, too. It's incredible. It cleans everything, including glass stove tops without scratching.
You can even soak your feet in it or make crystal Christmas tree decorations. Move over glitter.
I agree it is unfortunate that the young girl has been outed as having mental health problems. I have also read that she has been without medication since she was last seen. I would have thought that would be sufficient reason to alert police sooner rather than later. The important thing right now is that she has been found safe and that she receives the required treatment/councelling.
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Ass-istant to Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 5
BM she was an AWOL minor, a runaway. Very low priority, absolutely o indication of foul play. Most of them don't want to be found and won't be found. They will be found when they want to be. The first thing I thought when I saw that was, she'll turn up. And she did.
I'm kind of sad Rosie disclosed the child has mental health problems. I understand she felt she had to do that so people would take this seriously and encourage her to go home. But now that young woman has been outed.
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I'm sorry she was outed too.
I'm kind of sad Rosie disclosed the child has mental health problems. I understand she felt she had to do that so people would take this seriously and encourage her to go home. But now that young woman has been outed.
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I'm sorry she was outed too.
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I kind of wonder if there is tension between the two of them, dysfunction. Outing her like that felt almost like a last resort.....pure speculation I don't know.
I think there was a way to do it that would emphasize the urgency without outing her. Perhaps a much more vague, "it's important she get back home immediately due to some health concerns." But she specifically identified mental health issues and the need for medication.
Snacks: Frozen Grapes. Salsa and chips. Sugar free Blue Bunny vanilla chocolate covered ice cream bars.
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It's interesting how quite a few incidents and/or scandals were responsible for ending the chances of the Presidency for some, such as Mary Jo's death in the Chappaquiddick tragedy, while others have emerged unscathed and just plow through with no repercussions. What will be Hillary's fate? Stay tuned.
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Chappaquiddick didn't end Teddy's chances of being president. He ended those himself for the sake of his family, especially his kids. He would have made a damn good President too. Much better than JFK.
AuntieAnn (#9), did you say "move over glitter?" I thought that
was your signature substance! Gosh, how easily your head
is turned by other materials, you crafty trollop!
If young Miss O'Donnell had diabetes or bad allergies and needed medication would that have been okay to say? Should all medical details have been kept private, or just mental problems? I think the former myself.
Hi! Catching up after family vacation. I see Kate's been making the kids work to pay for the roof over their heads, the clothes on their backs, and the food on their table again. You know, the things other parents provide for their kids, not the other way around like in Kate's house. Have any air dates been announced? I haven't seen anything on my TV listings. That probably means TLC viewers will be treated with back-to-school shopping and summer vacation in the middle of winter. Figures. I'm kind of looking forward to it. I bet this little mini-season will the when ratings fall below 1 million. The last few episodes were just barely above that point, and falling steadily. How long will TLC cling to the sinking ship that is K+8? I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
If young Miss O'Donnell had diabetes or bad allergies and needed medication would that have been okay to say? Should all medical details have been kept private, or just mental problems? I think the former myself.
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So you think that diabetes, allergies and medical conditions should have been kept private (the former), but not mental issues? I'm not quite sure what you are saying.
Chappaquiddick didn't end Teddy's chances of being president.
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I think that it did. It showed that he was untrustworthy.A young woman died because he waited to report the accident. There were too many "stories" and scenarios going around in that incident. It certainly did end his chances of being President. He didn't end his political career. If he decided not to run for Presidency for the sake of his kids, then why didn't he pull out of politics altogether? Didn't his family or children matter? He remained under scrutiny and Chappaquiddick hung over his head for years and years.
Have you read Jack Olsen's "The Bridge At Chappaquiddick"?
Speaking of which, just for the heck of it I'm in the process of drying some marigolds with 20 Mule Team Borax. You mix cornmeal with the borax and stick the plant in an airtight container so the moisture is sucked out. I've never tried this before so it's in the experimental stage.
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Geez. This heat is getting to me. I read this as "you mix cement with the borax."
Please let me know how this experiment works out! I've got to do the sunflowers and black-eyed susans.
Sitting here watching America's Got Talent. My guilty pleasure.
Chappaquiddick didn't end Teddy's chances of being president. He ended those himself for the sake of his family, especially his kids. He would have made a damn good President too. Much better than JFK.
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It doesn't matter who ended it. The accident there was the reason he didn't run for President, so directly or indirectly, this incident sealed his doom as far as his chances for being elected.
I knew I remembered some controversial issues surrounding Rosie's child:
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/rosie-o-donnell-stole-adopted-daughter-biological-mom-article-1.2161637
Ass-istant to Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 12
I'm kind of sad Rosie disclosed the child has mental health problems. I understand she felt she had to do that so people would take this seriously and encourage her to go home. But now that young woman has been outed.
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I'm sorry she was outed too.
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I kind of wonder if there is tension between the two of them, dysfunction. Outing her like that felt almost like a last resort.....pure speculation I don't know.
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There's definate dysfunction. If you read the texts on ROL (GAH!) the sm provided
There's definate dysfunction, that's for sure. And the biomom is right in the middle. 17 is such a hard age. Throw in abandonment issues, mental illness, parent's fame, gahhh
Ummm, I hope I didn't highlight as much as it looks like i highighted for a quote. Sorry. Please eit.
I don't think any medical issues whether mental or physical should be revealed to a bunch of strangers unless the child consented to that, or unless you absolutely have to for their own safety. There is a certain stigma with mental health issues though that make it even more prudent not to disclose anything unless you really have to. Rosie could have said it was imperative she be found immediately without being specific.
"I've also never seen a Grape Nehi."
My mother only wanted to drink that when she had vertigo. Other than that, she doesn't drink it.
The Duggars are supposedly pitching a show to counsel sex abuse victims. If it's true, get Honey Boo Boo's mother to help. Kate can counsel child abuse victims.
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/08/desperate-duggars-pitch-tlc-new-show-where-they-counsel-sex-abuse-victims-report/
Wow, interesting article with a bunch of texts between Rosie and the bio mom I have no idea why Rosie would engage in a debate even for one second with a biological mother who gave up her rights. If it was a legal adoption it's fair and square, adoptions are very complicated, I've done a couple. And even if something went wrong it's done and over with now.
The fact that she is even arguing with this woman about that is really beyond me. Why bother?
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I don't think any medical issues whether mental or physical should be revealed to a bunch of strangers unless the child consented to that, or unless you absolutely have to for their own safety. There is a certain stigma with mental health issues though that make it even more prudent not to disclose anything unless you really have to. Rosie could have said it was imperative she be found immediately without being specific.
If you are ever in the horrible position of having to seek public help in finding your missing child, then you can reveal whatever you think is best. Rosie O'Donnell did what she thought was best under the circumstances and does not deserve your judgment. Maybe mental illness would have less of a stigma if people like you didn't think it should be hidden.
I would hope Rosie did what she had to do to get her child back. And she came back.
However in working in foster care, we are taught to take a minor's mental health issues extremely seriously and to never, ever reveal them. That's where I'm coming from.
Regardless whether their should be a stigma, there IS a stigma, and it is the job of those who have the minor under their care to keep that in mind when revealing anything. When Chelsea is 18 and would like to talk about what's going on, she may. She's still just a child.
That poor kid. It must be hell to know your moms are fighting over whether you should have even been adopted n the first place. So sad. It really was Rosie's responsibility to not even ENGAGE with such a conversation. If the woman persists, contact a lawyer.
It doesn't matter who ended it. The accident there was the reason he didn't run for President, so directly or indirectly, this incident sealed his doom as far as his chances for being elected. (Lanc 21)...
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I agree. My grandparents owned property at that time near Edgartown. I remember them talking about it years later, and how, only a few days after the accident, the locals were saying that the incident sealed Ted's fate and even if he were a candidate for president, he'd never win. With Bobby gone, there would be no more brothers to follow in Jack's footsteps.
ncgirl(26),
I am not surprised that the Duggars are desperate for a new show. Once people have a taste of the lifestyle TLC provides, they will do anything to get it back. Let's see, they want to counsel sex abuse victims…that means they'll take in the abusers and have them perform menial labor (home repairs, yard work) for a few months, then declare them "cured". And the victims? They'll critique all the things the victims (presumably female) did to make the abuse happen in the first place. After the victim accepts the blame for dressing provocatively (showing some ankle or elbow) and making herself available by forgetting to blockade her bedroom door at night, she will then profess forgiveness to her abuser and everyone will go home happy. The end. It's just revolting enough to make it into TLC's lineup for spring.
If you are ever in the horrible position of having to seek public help in finding your missing child, then you can reveal whatever you think is best. Rosie O'Donnell did what she thought was best under the circumstances and does not deserve your judgment. Maybe mental illness would have less of a stigma if people like you didn't think it should be hidden.
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Good grief, anonymous. PICK A NAME or sign your posts, as per the posting rule, and don't change it with each post to fit the context of your post when you go after admin. It gets very old after awhile no matter how hard your try to disguise it..
The Duggars are supposedly pitching a show to counsel sex abuse victims. If it's true, get Honey Boo Boo's mother to help. Kate can counsel child abuse victims.
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/08/desperate-duggars-pitch-tlc-new-show-where-they-counsel-sex-abuse-victims-report/
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In other news, Larry Flint will keep his porn empire going by pitching a show about strippers who join a cloistered convent and bake fruit cakes all day.
What? It follows, right?
Maybe mental illness would have less of a stigma if people like you didn't think it should be hidden.
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Maybe you shouldn't conflate expressing the FACT that unfortunately, mental illness is stigmatized in our society with condoning the stigmatization of said illness.
Sheesh.
Lemon tree, very pretty, and the lemon flower is sweet,
But the fruit of the lemon is impossible to eat.
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Trini Lopez! Wow, it's been 30 years since I've thought of him.
"One day she left without a word, she took away the sun.....she left me for another, it's a common tale but true......."
Good grief, anonymous. PICK A NAME or sign your posts, as per the posting rule, and don't change it with each post to fit the context of your post when you go after admin. It gets very old after awhile no matter how hard your try to disguise it..
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Bingo and a hearty amen!
fidosmommy said... 36
Lemon tree, very pretty, and the lemon flower is sweet,
But the fruit of the lemon is impossible to eat.
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Trini Lopez! Wow, it's been 30 years since I've thought of him.
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I thought it was Peter, Paul and Mary! LOL!
I never stated nor implied that the Administrator condones the stigmatization of mental illness
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I feel that you did. Regardless, though, she is 17 years old. She is well old enough to decide for herself whether her mental illness should be made public or not. Her mother took that decision away from her, however well meaning it may have been. Rosie could have tried to get her back without saying that first, and rather just emphasized this was a dire situation. Within hours of making it public the child was back. Making it public may have been all that was required without adding that she is mentally ill. We'll never know.
I just don't know exactly how outing her like that is going to help her heal whatever the issue is between her and Rosie. I really don't buy that it was necessary, at least not on the first round of pleading for help. But famous people often don't understand why a child would want certain boundaries and privacy.
FlimsyFlamsy (15) -- Glitter will always be my cerebral go-to for creative ingenuity but since I've had the good fortune of acquiring such an astute assistant I've been able to expand my horizons.
Don't hate me cuz I'm blessed.
:o)
In an interview with the National Enquirer, according to Radar Online, Deanna Micoley says she was high on drugs and persuaded by her then-husband into giving up her 2-month-old daughter Kayla to an adoption agency in 1997. The girl was adopted by O’Donnell, who named her Chelsea.
17 years later she realised who adopted her dd.
I am taking this with a grain of what looks like salt.
I have helped search for missing people before and if the had health issues, was recommended a week, then disclose, to re-ignite fires
jmo
franky
OT: just synced all my pass-words last week, synched new window version today, had to AGAIN change passwords....anyone know if this is normal? Took 3 hours outta my enjoying rumspringa and planning a winter retreat below our wonderful vernda...urghhhhh
Don't hate me cuz I'm blessed. 40
Nevah!
However, my assistant has taken off for greener pastures.
I think it's extremely unlikely the would get a show counseling victims of sexual abuse. The following article explains why, better than I could
http://www.inquisitr.com/2347569/19-kids-and-counseling-could-tlc-really-grant-duggar-family-a-new-reality-show/
I found it while looking for evidence that the story about the Duggar pitch / proposed show was actually a spoof. The story is so all over the internet that I couldn't trace it to its source, but I really would not be at all surprised to learn that it originated at a "spoof" website and got picked up and repeated by those who didn't recognize it was a spoof.
We shall see. Truth is sometimes stranger than fiction, and separating them can be a more than full-time job.
If young Miss O'Donnell had diabetes or bad allergies and needed medication would that have been okay to say? Should all medical details have been kept private, or just mental problems? I think the former myself.
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Couldn't agree more, Eight is Enough. The shaming of people with mental illness makes me sad. 'Outed'?? Really? Would the same term have been used had she had diabetes? She's got a mental illness. So what? Who cares.... lol
Maybe the Duggars will have a new show counselling victims of sexual assault. After all, they said it themselves. There is way worst stuff going on in families they know, right?
Maybe they could operate through Jared Fogle's charity for children.
I think I just made myself sick.
Again, the holder of that disclosure is the person with the mental or physical issue. Not someone else. It was up to Chelsea whether she wanted to disclose that, not her mother. Diabetes runs in my family and none of my family members like others to share it without their consent. It's not about shame. It's about people having control over their own privacy. If you don't share about your sex life does it mean you're ashamed? Usually not, it means private things are private and you like to be in control of what is known about you.
Maybe the Duggars will have a new show counselling victims of sexual assault. After all, they said it themselves. There is way worst stuff going on in families they know, right?
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Yes, Boober will round all of them up and persuade them to be on the show. He seem to know so many of them so he won't run out of subjects. I bet he's on the phone right now, with Babytalks right by his side.
Would the same term have been used had she had diabetes? She's got a mental illness. So what? Who cares.... lol
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I'm not too sure what you are "lol'ing" about!
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Geez. This heat is getting to me. I read this as "you mix cement with the borax."
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lol! That's more of a Jimmy Hoffa type of preservation.
Nevah!
However, my assistant has taken off for greener pastures.
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I think your assistant may have run off with my assistant because I can't find him!
Speaking of missing persons, is this Milo's record for pouting, or is she/he using another account?
Again, the holder of that disclosure is the person with the mental or physical issue. Not someone else. It was up to Chelsea whether she wanted to disclose that, not her mother.
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I don't think you understood the situation. Her CHILD was MISSING. And this could have ended realllllyyyy ugly... Thank god it didn't. Would you not do EVERY and ANY thing possible to save your child??
Using the term 'outing', like it's a taboo secret, hush hush, is beyond pearl clutching and absolutely ridiculous. You're only contributing to the problem.
This was a life and/or death situation. Again, she has a mental illness. So what? Who cares?
Jared Fogle, the former Subway huckster, has plead guilty to possession of child pornography.
Re: Lemon Tree. Yes, several artists recorded it. I THINK the New Christie Minstrels did too. Trini Lopez was the first I remember.
What if it was your pup missing? And he had, say, worms and/or fleas? Would you be outing him if you said that? Would you even care, you'd just want him home safe.
fidosmommy said... 52
Jared Fogle, the former Subway huckster, has plead guilty to possession of child pornography.
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And the Quizno's hairy little rodent says, "how do ya like me now?"!
Media to Hillary, "Did you wipe the server clean?"
Hillary," Like with a cloth? I don't know how that digital stuff works..."
Seriously. Listen folks, when Hillary talks to you like you're a 3-year old and tells you she didn't send anything marked confidential and nothing she received was marked confidential (because, how else would she actually know the information was actually confidential?), just stfu and don't ask these off-message questions!
Anna said... 51
Again, the holder of that disclosure is the person with the mental or physical issue. Not someone else. It was up to Chelsea whether she wanted to disclose that, not her mother.
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I don't think you understood the situation. Her CHILD was MISSING. And this could have ended realllllyyyy ugly... Thank god it didn't. Would you not do EVERY and ANY thing possible to save your child??
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I have to agree. Seems Chelsea was missing for a few days and I'd be desperate.
I would level with the public to get across just how serious the situation was.
17 is a minor, yes, but not a child who couldn't understand why her mom did what she did.
I'm pretty sure we don't know what Chelsea's diagnosis is, just that it's a mental illness.
I really can't blame Rosie here.
I found it while looking for evidence that the story about the Duggar pitch / proposed show was actually a spoof. The story is so all over the internet that I couldn't trace it to its source, but I really would not be at all surprised to learn that it originated at a "spoof" website and got picked up and repeated by those who didn't recognize it was a spoof.
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My thoughts exactly. I mean, what are Jim Boob and Michelle going to say to the victims?
"He was just a hormonal teenager and you weren't even AWAKE!"
In other news, I wander over to viaviewfiles dot net once in a while to see what is going on with free speech and the interwebs. Some interesting new stuff. Mcnuggets thought it was great to publish info about tfmjg "haters" including work places. His own advice is being followed by his critics now. Interesting.
It's Wednesday, I'm off to possess about Big Brother until the Thursday eviction show. Then have to obsessively analysed the results with other fans on the interwebs. I'll drink rumspringa while doing that and think of you guys!
Auntie Ann, can you share the proportion of borax to cornstarch you are using in drying flowers? I would be very interested in the results of your flower drying. Thanks in advance!
"Again, the holder of that disclosure is the person with the mental or physical issue. Not someone else. It was up to Chelsea whether she wanted to disclose that, not her mother. Diabetes runs in my family and none of my family members like others to share it without their consent. It's not about shame. It's about people having control over their own privacy. If you don't share about your sex life does it mean you're ashamed? Usually not, it means private things are private and you like to be in control of what is known about you."
Maybe the girl's mental illness is such, that without being on medication, she could be harmful to herself or to others? If that is the case, then I could see why Rosie would mention it.
What if it was your pup missing? And he had, say, worms and/or fleas? Would you be outing him if you said that? Would you even care, you'd just want him home safe.
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Huh? That's a dog, and can't feel the emotion and pain a human child might feel at having private information exposed to millions of people. She was a one of the top stories on CNN yesterday.
Huh? That's a dog, and can't feel the emotion and pain a human child might feel at having private information exposed to millions of people. She was a one of the top stories on CNN yesterday.
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My dog would have packed his hobo bag on a stick and left!
Joy (60) -- It's one part borax to two parts cornmeal, not cornstarch.
The full instructions can be found on the 20 Mule Team Borax website and quite a few other places online.
http://www.20muleteamlaundry.com/how-to-use-borax-dry-flowers/
We'll be holding flower drying 101 under the veranda if we get really good at it, yes? I'll even glue some glitter on the finished product so as not to upset Flimsy again.
Rumspringa refreshments will be served but bring your own straw.
Winsomeness said,
Maybe the girl's mental illness is such, that without being on medication, she could be harmful to herself or to others? If that is the case, then I could see why Rosie would mention it.
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Exactly what I was thinking. She may have been suicidal.
We don't know the extent of Rosie's daughter's mental illness. I see it quite often when an older person goes missing they will say they had Alzheimer's. It isn't outing or shaming, it is just giving people a reason to pay a little closer attention to that vagrant or odd-acting person walking down the street.
If Rosie thought that her daughter could either harm herself or get herself into a dangerous situation if she was off her medication for a while then I don't blame her for releasing that information. I'll give her the benefit of the doubt in this case that she said what she did in an effort to draw attention to her daughter in the hopes that someone would recognize her and the danger she was in rather than just being another teenage runaway.
Ex Nurse said... 65
Winsomeness said,
Maybe the girl's mental illness is such, that without being on medication, she could be harmful to herself or to others? If that is the case, then I could see why Rosie would mention it.
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Exactly what I was thinking. She may have been suicidal.
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If I heard correctly, Chelsea was nearby at a neighbor's house and when the police knocked on their door, they folded like a cheap suit.
If Chelsea's mental stability was in peril, and she could have harmed herself or others in some way, I would have done what Rosie did.
People, especially anyone aiding Chelsea, needed to know how dire the situation could have become.
I still would like to know if the dog is ok.
I have stayed out of the Clinton debate here, but thought I would post her campaign's official response. I don't expect to change any minds, but let's at least look at the facts of the story. No wrongdoing has been proven, so why in the world should she step down? I sincerely doubt that she would purposely break any laws regarding security when she has been running for president since 1992! As far as the drop-drip of information being released, that can be attributed to campaign tactics designed to cast a perception of guilt--similar to the Swift Boat campaign against Kerry. There have been unsupported allegations, rumors and misconceptions stated here as fact, so I ask that those people take the time to read the official response of the campaign. if wrongdoing is proved, then have at it!
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/p/briefing/factsheets/2015/07/13/email-facts/
-Clinton did not violate existing guidelines or laws that were in place at the time. It was widely known, and allowed, by the State Department, as well as other agencies, that she used a personal server, and she followed the same practice as the 4 prior Secretaries of State. The current regulations that are now in place. were updated AFTER Clinton left office.The primary requirement was that all government related emails be retained in records. With the exception of her private emails, this requirement was met, because she always sent government related emails to official email accounts. Therefore, all of those emails are preserved by the recipient agencies and government offices.
-To date, no emails have been determined to have been classified at the time they were sent. However, when there is a public release of documents, some of them may now be classified for the purpose of preventing public release of sensitive matters. From other sources, 305 emails, out of the 55,000 submitted, have been sent to agencies to make the determination of whether they should NOW be classified
From the Hillary Clinton campaign website:
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/p/briefing/factsheets/2015/07/13/email-facts/
Tucker's Mom said...
If I heard correctly, Chelsea was nearby at a neighbor's house and when the police knocked on their door, they folded like a cheap suit.
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No way in hell would I let my kid have some other runaway kid stay at my place without the parents being informed.
My daughter brought home a friend who said she couldn't go home, her mom had kicked her out and could she please stay the night. I said that I would be willing to work as a mediator between the girl and her mother, but that there was no way I was allowing her mother to be in the dark as to her whereabouts. ( I knew her mother and knew there was no way she kicked her daughter out.)
No way in hell would I let my kid have some other runaway kid stay at my place without the parents being informed.
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That's awful. They put her parents through hell. Rosie might have been fine with her taking a few weeks to cool off there if she had only gotten a simple phone call.
I remain concerned for Chelsea O'Donnell's future. Teenagers can be a handfull but this young woman has been brought up in a very complex environment headed by a celebrity parent. The birth mother appears to have had a troubled life as well. I hope with the proper medication and counselling she will find peace and confidence in herself. I fear the press will seek her out when she reaches maturity, wanting to get the 'inside story' on life in the O'Donnell home. It can't be easy being the daughter of any celebrity but particularly difficult for Chelsea given the adults involved in her life.
bm
Hillary keeps trying to deflect. It is irrelevant that the information wasn't marked classified. Just by virtue of her position as Secretary of State she knew she would be directly getting information that would eventually be marked classified once it was passed on to the information office of the FBI or the CIA.
Suppose someone sent her information regarding NSA intercepted communications of the German chancellor or of the United Nations President. Obviously that would be classified as Top Secret simply because of the source of the information. However, the original email to Hillary would not necessarily have been marked with confidentiality. Her response is disingenuous at best. She knew the information passing through her uncontrolled, private server was sensitive even if it wasn't marked as such. Her defense of "nobody told me it was classified" doesn't hold water when she either knew or should have known the information was sensitive.
She took lessons from Bill and his "it depends upon what the meaning of the word 'is' is" defense. Deflect, deny, and plead ignorance.
I don't expect to change any minds, but let's at least look at the facts of the story. No wrongdoing has been proven, so why in the world should she step down? I sincerely doubt that she would purposely break any laws regarding security when she has been running for president since 1992!
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The facts according to whom? Anyone can come up with facts to suit their purpose or manipulate those "facts." There must be enough concern for an investigation or all of this would have been dismissed. You don't think she purposely would have done this if she knew she'd run for President? If she thinks that the rules don't apply to her, I have no doubt she'd try to get away with anything. Those deleted e-mails are a problem because they suggest a cover-up.
I'll wait until this investigation is concluded before I declare Hillary has clean hands in all of this, regardless of the "facts." This isn't over yet.
I still would like to know if the dog is ok.
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Oh, Tucker's, I'm almost embarrassed to say that this was my thought when it was announced that she was found...what about the dog?
What if it was your pup missing? And he had, say, worms and/or fleas? Would you be outing him if you said that? Would you even care, you'd just want him home safe.
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That's probably one of the weakest analogies I've heard in a long time!
I'm still worried about Chelsea's dog, though!
Her defense of "nobody told me it was classified" doesn't hold water when she either knew or should have known the information was sensitive.
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Can you imagine this person, in the role of President of the United States, claiming ignorance on such a matter? Of course she should have known. If she is this clueless about classified information, marked or not, how could she possibly serve at President when our national security is involved? Oops...sorry, folks, our plans for invasion shouldn't have gotten into the hands of the opposition. Sorry, the cat's out of the bag. Nobody told me. My bad this time.
Ex Nurse, Thanks for sharing the info from Hillary's website!
Bm- Complex environment indeed. Rosie has lived with other women and married other women and have children with other women and had other women's children become part of her family and then not part of her family. that's very stressful environment for any child to grow up in.
Here is the notice Rosie O'Donnell posted on her website:
CHELSEA O’DONNELL MISSING
August 18, 2015
Rosie O’Donnell’s 17 year old daughter, Chelsea O’Donnell was reported missing. Nyack, New York police authorities have been looking for her in the Rockland County area since Sunday, August 16. She was last seen Tuesday, August 11. She was wearing a black sweatshirt hoodie, dark ripped blue jeans, women’s grey converse sneakers and a black backpack. Chelsea has a large tattoo on her right side of a dream catcher with the word ‘Breathe.’ She left home with her 6 month old therapy dog named Bear. The dog is a 9 lbs brown and black terrier. Chelsea stopped taking her medicine and is in need of medical attention. Any information please contact authorities at 845-358-0206 or 911.
From: https://www.rosie.com/chelsea-odonnell-missing/
Note that she did NOT say mental illness, though there were strong clues in "stopped taking her medicine". I would have worded that a bit differently, or omitted the mention of medication entirely. Maybe "she requires regular medication to control a pre-existing condition." That could cover anything from anaemia to diabetes as well as a mental health issue.
I believe it was Rosie's spokesman who said it was a mental health issue.
Maybe we should wipe the slate clean with Hilary. Does anybody have a dust rag?
sorry, diving under the veranda right now.
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I still would like to know if the dog is ok.
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Oh, Tucker's, I'm almost embarrassed to say that this was my thought when it was announced that she was found...what about the dog?
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I read a report this morning that stated clearly that the dog is fine.
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Radar released the last photo of Booby Christina and splashed it all over Facebook, it was on my feed
So sick
franky
Ex Nurse (68): " I have stayed out of the Clinton debate here, but thought I would post her campaign's official response. I don't expect to change any minds, but let's at least look at the facts of the story."
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The fact is that she claimed she didn't know. She deleted e-mails, which, according to some sites I have read, is a felony. She covered up, coming out with different "stories" to fit her agenda. The fact is that she is sneaky; otherwise, there wouldn't be an investigation by the Justice Department and the FBI. This isn't just the opposing political party trying to bring her down. There is much more involved. What does one expect her official campaign response would be...acknowledging that their golden girl is shady?
Martha Stewart went to jail for insider trading, claiming that she didn't know what she did was wrong. The "I didn't know" defense just didn't work in a court of law.
OT for Joy...
DWTS has announced its pro dancers, and so far Tony isn't among them. There are still two to be named, so for your sake, let's hope your guy is one of them!
Blowing In The Wind said... 73
The facts according to whom? Anyone can come up with facts to suit their purpose or manipulate those "facts." There must be enough concern for an investigation or all of this would have been dismissed. You don't think she purposely would have done this if she knew she'd run for President? If she thinks that the rules don't apply to her, I have no doubt she'd try to get away with anything. Those deleted e-mails are a problem because they suggest a cover-up.
I'll wait until this investigation is concluded before I declare Hillary has clean hands in all of this, regardless of the "facts." This isn't over yet.
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You certainly haven't waited until the investigation is concluded to render your verdict.
There must be enough "concern" to warrant an investigation? This is about politics, not the law. If you believe otherwise, I have a bridge to sell you.
And no, anyone cannot come up with "facts" to suit their purpose. Either the regulations that are in place now were or were not in place at the time Clinton held the position. That can be easily proven or disproven.
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Hillary keeps trying to deflect. It is irrelevant that the information wasn't marked classified. Just by virtue of her position as Secretary of State she knew she would be directly getting information that would eventually be marked classified once it was passed on to the information office of the FBI or the CIA.
Suppose someone sent her information regarding NSA intercepted communications of the German chancellor or of the United Nations President. Obviously that would be classified as Top Secret simply because of the source of the information. However, the original email to Hillary would not necessarily have been marked with confidentiality. Her response is disingenuous at best. She knew the information passing through her uncontrolled, private server was sensitive even if it wasn't marked as such. Her defense of "nobody told me it was classified" doesn't hold water when she either knew or should have known the information was sensitive.
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Her defense is not "nobody told me it was classified." These emails were not classified at the time, period. If you are so outraged by Clinton's use of a private server, where is your outrage over Colin Powell doing the exact same thing?
Her defense is not "nobody told me it was classified." These emails were not classified at the time, period. If you are so outraged by Clinton's use of a private server, where is your outrage over Colin Powell doing the exact same thing?
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Is he running for president? I missed that.
In other news, DT has declared that Heidi Klum in no longer a 10.
Here's her response: http://www.9news.com.au/entertainment/2015/08/19/12/39/supermodel-heidi-klum-trumps-donald-trump-following-his-claims-shes-no-longer-a-10
He's an asshole.
In the interest of fairness, I also think Hillary Clinton is an asshole. "Here's what her camp said... " Really? Why don't we ask Kate Gosselin what she thinks of her own mothering skills.
You certainly haven't waited until the investigation is concluded to render your verdict.
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I knew this was going to come up and you didn't disappoint me! I didn't render any verdict or use that term. You did. I haven't heard the results of the investigation, but rather stated what concerns me at this point. That's not rendering a verdict and I'm not on the jury.
Hillary isn't a dummy. She's a graduate of Wellesley, Yale law school and taught classes in criminal law at U of Ark. She certainly should have known the protocol to follow, and that is what I consider to be of major concern here. If she didn't know, she certainly would have had the resources at her disposal to have found out.
"If you believe otherwise, I have a bridge to sell you. "
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Where's the bridge? Someone else was selling property with an ocean view. Was that you? Is this in the same location? lol!
Of course it's about the law or the FBI wouldn't have gotten into it. If the law and politics overlap, and the law was broken, then the political ambition of a candidate, any candidate, is of primary importance.
I read a report this morning that stated clearly that the dog is fine.
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Thanks for the info, Sheri! "Bear" is so adorable!
New charges emerged. Someone is in a heap of trouble. Wife is seeking a divorce. She's not standing by her man!
http://news.yahoo.com/tv-report-ex-subway-pitchman-admit-child-porn-054612244--finance.html
Here is the notice Rosie O'Donnell posted on her website:
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I like what was posted on the web site, and I think it's effective without revealing details. You're right, it was actually a rep who identified the issue as mental illness. That was unnecessary. It was clear the health issues were urgent. I would hope though a Rep would not say such a thing without consulting Rosie. If she revealed that without permission, that's wrong. There are HIPAA laws for a reason, because we as a society recognize the importance of confidentiality when it comes to one's medical history, child or adult.
In other news, DT has declared that Heidi Klum in no longer a 10.
Here's her response: http://www.9news.com.au/entertainment/2015/08/19/12/39/supermodel-heidi-klum-trumps-donald-trump-following-his-claims-shes-no-longer-a-10
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Hm. Has Hillary weighed in on that one yet?
This election certainly is the most eclectic yet. Almost has a European flair to it. Like what you would expect in a dirty muddy Italian election or something.
What MikeB said.
The problem over and over, time and time again with the Clintons is not really so much what they did, but how they handle it when called out. Their game plan is the same plan every darn time, and I have no interest in voting for someone who deals with problems in that manner. You're vying for president of the United States, and there will be problems. And we have seen how they will handle a crisis. I don't like their approach, and neither apparently do a lot of other voters. Maybe she should listen.
OT for Sleepless in Seattle, our resident parrot person...
http://www.mandatory.com/2015/08/19/a-parrot-in-india-was-arrested-for-cursing-at-a-woman/
Kaya said, "And no, anyone cannot come up with "facts" to suit their purpose"
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Wanna bet? Bill did it with his denial about having sex with Monica. He used the word game to suit his purpose. It was a "fact," according to him, that when she got down on her presidential knee pads, it wasn't sex as he defined it. That was his "fact."
admin (94): "Hm. Has Hillary weighed in on that one yet?"
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I don't know, but last night on AGT, Heidi did, sort of!
..a 9 lb. therapy dog? My new puppy weighs 10 lbs.
People magazine has another article on the Duggars. In addition to that, Jill and Jessa are on this week's cover.
http://www.people.com/article/duggars-still-stunned-backlash-josh-duggar-molestation-scandal
From the article:
"When it comes to Josh's "mistakes," parents Michelle, 48, and Jim Bob, 50, "truly felt people would understand and eventually be okay with it," adds the source."
He molested 5 children, and they thought people would "understand"?
More from the article:
"Jessa, Jill, Jim Bob and Michelle have all publicly said they forgive Josh, now a married father of four, and "none of the Duggars think Josh is to blame" for the tremendous fallout, says the source. Instead, it is the officials who released the police records about Josh and his young victims who are the focus of the family's anger."
Typical--kill the messenger while claiming the message was just a "little mistake".
Blowing, 90...
Great response, and my concerns are the same as the ones that you expressed.
If you are so outraged by Clinton's use of a private server, where is your outrage over Colin Powell doing the exact same thing?
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Admin commented on Powell upthread. Unlike Mrs. Clinton, his transparency was at the forefront in all of that. The same cannot be said about Hillary, at least not at this point.
Lynne In RI said... 92
New charges emerged. Someone is in a heap of trouble. Wife is seeking a divorce. She's not standing by her man!
http://news.yahoo.com/tv-report-ex-subway-pitchman-admit-child-porn-054612244--finance.html
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He's no man, he's a deviant paedophile. I hope he never sees his children ever again. Quite frankly, I hope he never sees the light of day again.
Who could stand by this? Oh, right, Ma and Pa Duggar. And good old what's-her-name.
OMG, this is quite possibly the stupidest comment ever made.
"He has a medical problem. He will seek treatment. He will go to prison to get well."
Jared Fogle's attorney said that. http://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/nation/2015/08/19/31997611/
Who could stand by this? Oh, right, Ma and Pa Duggar. And good old what's-her-name.
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Dottie?
Admin commented on Powell upthread. Unlike Mrs. Clinton, his transparency was at the forefront in all of that. The same cannot be said about Hillary, at least not at this point.
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Exactly. I'm not outraged over this, but it is disturbing. It's her "who me...I know nothing" attitude that bothers me, and that's what some people just don't get. It's how she is handling this, as admin said, that calls into question how she would deal with problems encountered in a presidency. Is she capable of dealing with issues in a crisis? Based on the e-mail situation, I do have my doubts.
"When it comes to Josh's "mistakes," parents Michelle, 48, and Jim Bob, 50, "truly felt people would understand and eventually be okay with it," adds the source."
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Be okay with it? Good gawd. Eventually? How long is eventually? Five years? Ten years? Will the victims in all of this "eventually" forget it even happened, or will they carry this with them well into adulthood?
Will the victims of Sandusky "eventually" get over it and be okay with it?
It was a "fact," according to him, that when she got down on her presidential knee pads, it wasn't sex as he defined it. That was his "fact."
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You hit the nail here. It was a fact in his own mind, so he did invent a fact to suit his own purposes, which was to deny that sex ever occurred.
Now, on a sad note. I woke up a few days ago to find that our 15-year-old cat had died peacefully in his sleep. He wasn't ill, had slowed down a bit, but still was going up and down the stairs just fine, eating and drinking, and tormenting the dog. Stroke or heart attack, I don't know, but the bird is still calling his name. We have said goodbye to a dog and two cats this year. All were very old, but that doesn't lessen the pain. It's a tough time right now...all of them are missed so very much.
The Twitter folks on Kate's timeline are discussing the child labor laws. No, the kids do not follow PA's laws when filmed outside of the state. In other locations, they are under the laws of the state in which they are filmed. It's so much easier for Kate and TLC to take vacations to states and countries where the new PA DOL laws do not apply. Did they follow the laws when filming in Florida and Mexico, if there are such laws in effect at those places? I have no idea, but I wonder if their work permits were posted at the PA locations where they were filmed, as required by law.
Ass-istant to Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 95
What MikeB said.
The problem over and over, time and time again with the Clintons is not really so much what they did, but how they handle it when called out. Their game plan is the same plan every darn time, and I have no interest in voting for someone who deals with problems in that manner. You're vying for president of the United States, and there will be problems. And we have seen how they will handle a crisis. I don't like their approach, and neither apparently do a lot of other voters. Maybe she should listen.
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All valid points--we all have our own bottom lines when it comes to public officials. No need to stretch the truth or quote unproven allegations as fact. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
On a different note, it really bothers me that Clinton is blamed for her husband's bad behavior. Criticize her response or lack of response, or lack of merit, but she should not be held responsible for his actions. Anyone who has not been in her situation cannot imagine what she has been through, and cannot know what they would or would not do. She is a talented, educated and experienced woman who can hold her own in the cutthroat world of politics. That, alone, is impressive. Unlike, for example, Donald Trump, she has as long no public record for the opposition to pick through. She deserves to be judges on her own merit.
I have not seen any quote from her saying "Nobody told me it was classified" or what protocol she breached. Can someone point me to either of those? The State department was aware that she was using a private email, and since the government agencies retained all of her government emails, she was in compliance with the requirement that all official emails be preserved. The potentially confidential emails (305 out of 55,000) may be classified retroactively expressly because they are going to be released. If someone can show me where she said she didn't know ithat any of it was classified, or any factual statement from a believable source that said that any of them were classified, I'd appreciate a link.
Typical--kill the messenger while claiming the message was just a "little mistake".
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I wonder what the Duggars consider a "big" mistake...probably the cancellation of their show!
ot--is anyone following The Undisclosed podcast on the DNAN Sayed murder? On the last episode, they said that there has been an huge break, which will be discussed in the next episode.
Lynne In RI said... 84
Ex Nurse (68): " I have stayed out of the Clinton debate here, but thought I would post her campaign's official response. I don't expect to change any minds, but let's at least look at the facts of the story."
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The fact is that she claimed she didn't know. She deleted e-mails, which, according to some sites I have read, is a felony. She covered up, coming out with different "stories" to fit her agenda. The fact is that she is sneaky; otherwise, there wouldn't be an investigation by the Justice Department and the FBI. This isn't just the opposing political party trying to bring her down. There is much more involved. What does one expect her official campaign response would be...acknowledging that their golden girl is shady?
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https://oig.state.gov/system/files/statement_of_the_icig_and_oig_regarding_review_of_clintons_emails_july_24_2015
Here are the FACTS about why some (4) of the emails were referred to the FBI:
Yesterday the Office ofthe Inspector General ofthe Intelligence Community (IC IG} sent a congressional notification to intelligence oversight committees updating them of the IC IG support to the State Department IG (attached).
The IC IG found four emails containing classified IC-derived information in a limited sample of 40 emails of the 30,000 emails provided by former Secretary Clinton. The four emails, which have not been released through the State FOIA process, did not contain classification markings and/or dissemination controls. These emails were not retroactively classified by the State Department; rather these em ails contained classified information when they were generated and, according to IC classification officials, that information remains classified today. This classified information should never have been transmitted via an unclassified personal system.
IC IG made a referral detailing the potential compromise of classified information to security officials within the Executive Branch. The main purpose of the referral was to notify security officials that classified information may exist on at least one private server and thumb drive that are not in the government's possession. An important distinction is that the IC IG did not make a criminal referral- it was a security referral made for counterintelligence purposes. The IC IG is statutorily required to refer potential compromises of national security information to the appropriate IC security officials.
Ex Nurse said... 111
ot--is anyone following The Undisclosed podcast on the DNAN Sayed murder? On the last episode, they said that there has been an huge break, which will be discussed in the next episode.
August 19, 2015 at 1:21 PM
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No- is the Serial Podcast starting again?
I was really hooked. I know Adnan has an appeal or something...
On a different note, it really bothers me that Clinton is blamed for her husband's bad behavior. Criticize her response or lack of response, or lack of merit, but she should not be held responsible for his actions.
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As with most things the cover-up is worse than the crime, and Hillary certainly tacitly went along with it, even rattling her considerable saber, decrying a "vast right-wing conspiracy" in defense of her husband.
I'm pretty sure those 2 have a working definition of what sex constitutes and what is does not.
Those denials, obfuscations and misdirections led to the American people spending a f*ckload of money to foot the bill of Kenneth Star and his Merry Band of Assholes.
Still, imo, the political back and forth has been civil, if a bit tense at times, but that's par for the course ;-)
On a different note, it really bothers me that Clinton is blamed for her husband's bad behavior. Criticize her response or lack of response, or lack of merit, but she should not be held responsible for his actions.
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I think that there are some who feel that it was a dual presidency.
I have not seen any quote from her saying "Nobody told me it was classified" or what protocol she breached. Can someone point me to either of those?
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IIRC, just yesterday, Hillary said that the emails she received were not marked classified.
She's got correct wording down to the marksmanship of a Navy Seal sniper.
What she basically is setting up is plausible deniability. Or, maybe it's the truth without any intent to sidestep the question.
Either way, she's covered.
OT- NOT POLITICAL!!--
I'm enjoying "Playing House" on USA Network. If you like VEEP, you'll see may familiar faces!
Funny- reminds me of Lucy and Ethel, and Lavern and Shirley.
Also enjoyed Season 1 of "Catastrophe". American and British humor, or humour, if you will.
Another 14 months to go? It's going to be getting mighty cool under the veranda before we can come up again :)
Ass-istant to Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...(95)
"What MikeB said.
The problem over and over, time and time again with the Clintons is not really so much what they did, but how they handle it when called out. Their game plan is the same plan every darn time, and I have no interest in voting for someone who deals with problems in that manner. You're vying for president of the United States, and there will be problems. And we have seen how they will handle a crisis. I don't like their approach, and neither apparently do a lot of other voters. Maybe she should listen."
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I'm not going to dare put my foot into the political debate, we have our own election coming up and that is enough politics for me.
I'd just like to note how very much this comment could easily be applied to Kate or the Duggars or pretty much any family in reality t.v.
It's how they deal with the spotlight shining on the less appealing aspects of their very public lives.
Instead of owning their mistakes, missteps and their misjudgments they alienate themselves by defending and deflecting while citing their intentions.
Just own it and we might be more forgiving.
Did they follow the laws when filming in Florida and Mexico, if there are such laws in effect at those places? I have no idea,
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Just got back from Mexico, and I'm thinking, NO!
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Funny story- DH ahs been busting his ASS all summer on our landscaping/lawn and he's had zero exacerbations of his recurrent acute low back pain.
After sitting in the middle seat for almost 6 hours on the way to Los Cabos, he walks off the plane like a pretzel!
I brought something that helps him tremendously- those heat patches.
But I only brought 2 of them, and I wanted him to get more at the "Pharmacy".
Well, pharmacies down there aren't exactly Walgreens!
He came back with prescription nsaid medicated patches (Voltaren, if you remember that one). He said he could've gotten Vicodan to boot!
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Radar released the last photo of Booby Christina and splashed it all over Facebook, it was on my feed
So sick
franky
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Inhumane and despicable.
Shame, shame, shame.
The thing with The Clintons is even if they are both narcissists who'll pathologically lie anytime a microphone is put in front of them, the USA will still be better off with a Clinton as President. The economy will be stronger, woman will be better off and have more rights, as will minorities.
The ad for Blue Apron that keeps showing up on this page says, "Discover Your Inner Self." Perhaps that is what has piqued Kate's interest in the company.
Oh. My. God. http://gawker.com/family-values-activist-josh-duggar-had-a-paid-ashley-ma-1725132091
HOLY &*(#&*$(!
Anna? Leave Josh. Leave him. He's got issues.
Anyone who has not been in her situation cannot imagine what she has been through, and cannot know what they would or would not do.
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That sounds like what the fans say about Kate! We haven't walked in her shoes so we have no idea what her life is like.
What has Hillary been through? Her husband cheated on her, not once or twice but three times that were exposed, and who knows how many other times? She stuck with him because she's been grooming herself for the Presidency. To divorce him wouldn't show her in a good light -- how dare she not support him through good times and bad times? I would believe that a divorced woman who abandoned her husband in his time of need wouldn't have the best of chances in a bid for the office.
Ruh Roh
http://gawker.com/family-values-activist-josh-duggar-had-a-paid-ashley-ma-1725132091
The economy will be stronger, woman will be better off and have more rights, as will minorities.
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Maybe, it's just me, but I feel race relations are at an all-time low right now because of Obama. It's really bad, and sad!
Did anyone see the back stage-ish meeting of Hillary and a "Black Lives Matter" spokesperson?
Jeebus!
I give Hillary major kudos for how she handled it.
You know, Ex Nurse, we can go back and forth linking articles about facts, what was legal, what was illegal, what she knew or didn't know, until it becomes more confusing and just a convoluted mess. I'm not even sure that those involved even know the facts at this point. The articles that I have read each give their own interpretations of E-mail Gate, why the FBI was called in, what was legal under the law at this time, and so forth.
It seems that every day something new is added, additional info is disclosed, and it's really difficult to keep up and sort it all out.
I'm watching the news right now, and it's being reported that Hillary's support among voters is "eroding." New polling confirms a falling off in the Democratic race, and there are persistent questions in the "handling" of the e-mails. I just watched her smug, "With a cloth," response, and her statement that this will burn itself out. Sounds just like the Duggars.The campaign is trying to will this away as cheap partisan politics. The question is if she could she face criminal charges follwing a federal inquiry. She's still claiming that she didn't RECEIVE anything MARKED classified. She had that statement perfectly crafted.
If it comes down to it, sources, including attorneys, agree that she could be charged, as was General Petraeus, in the handling of classified information.
gotyournumberKate said... 124
Oh. My. God. http://gawker.com/family-values-activist-josh-duggar-had-a-paid-ashley-ma-1725132091
August 19, 2015 at 3:15 PM
Ass-istant to Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 125
HOLY &*(#&*$(!
Anna? Leave Josh. Leave him. He's got issues.
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Whoa! Seriously??
Anyone who has not been in her situation cannot imagine what she has been through, and cannot know what they would or would not do.
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That may be, but the problem is, none of us are running for an office that important.
She's held to a higher standard than any of us and what we might do or not do. I'm not in that line of work, perhaps I wouldn't have handled it any better. But I'm not asking you to vote for me to run the country, and never will be. She is. As a lawyer and almost career politician very high up the chain, she knew better, she knows better, and if she didn't, she's not fit to run this country and needs to step down.
I'm watching the news right now, and it's being reported that Hillary's support among voters is "eroding." New polling confirms a falling off in the Democratic race,
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Trump is edging to just within a few points of her. They say if the election were held right now with just those two, Trump might very well take it.
Like I said, America is sending a message loud and clear, and maybe politicians should listen for once.
Good grief, localyocul! I'm sure this was just a little mistake on his part. Right, babykins?
Has any of this been confirmed or verified? If so, I'm surprised In Touch doesn't have the exclusive on this. Get all children out of his reach, including his own.
"“A Good Listener,” “Good Personal Hygiene,” “Average Sex Drive,” “High Sex Drive,” “Dislikes Routine,” “Has a Secret Love Nest,” “Disease Free,” “Drug Free,” and “Natural Breasts.”"
Natural breasts? I guess this excludes Kate.
He sounds like a sex addict. That's a real addiction he could get treatment for.
Time to rename the blog.
sKate, you've got 48 hours to screw up or we're leaving you behind. ;)
Trump is edging to just within a few points of her. They say if the election were held right now with just those two, Trump might very well take it.
Like I said, America is sending a message loud and clear, and maybe politicians should listen for once.
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Problem there is most of the people who poll for Trump don't vote in actual elections.
If you are so outraged by Clinton's use of a private server, where is your outrage over Colin Powell doing the exact same thing?
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Admin commented on Powell upthread. Unlike Mrs. Clinton, his transparency was at the forefront in all of that. The same cannot be said about Hillary, at least not at this point.
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The only reason to be upset over Hillary Clinton's private server is if you believe she compromised national security. If you believe that then you must also believe that Colin Powell also compromised national security. His so-called "transparency" after the fact should have no bearing.
He sounds like a sex addict. That's a real addiction he could get treatment for.
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And he'd say the exact same thing to a gay person....
The thing with The Clintons is even if they are both narcissists who'll pathologically lie anytime a microphone is put in front of them, the USA will still be better off with a Clinton as President.
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This is snark, right? This is a sheeple coming here to play, correct?
Yes, indeed. That is exactly the person I want as President, especially in the time of a national crisis, a person who can lie through her teeth and expect Americans to believe her. Talk about a state of national mass confusion and deception. Terrorists? What terrorists (as planes hit national landmarks).
"The economy will be stronger, woman will be better off and have more rights, as will minorities."
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If she's pathologically lying, how would we know any of this would be true -- just because she says so? I don't want anyone "pathological" in the White House.
Heaven help us.
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You certainly haven't waited until the investigation is concluded to render your verdict.
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I knew this was going to come up and you didn't disappoint me! I didn't render any verdict or use that term. You did. I haven't heard the results of the investigation, but rather stated what concerns me at this point. That's not rendering a verdict and I'm not on the jury.
Hillary isn't a dummy. She's a graduate of Wellesley, Yale law school and taught classes in criminal law at U of Ark. She certainly should have known the protocol to follow, and that is what I consider to be of major concern here. If she didn't know, she certainly would have had the resources at her disposal to have found out.
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She did comply with the protocol. That's the teensy fact that many of you seem to be missing. This was not some super secret server that nobody knew about it. She was openly using a non-government email account and that was not against protocol.
I don't think Obama has helped or hurt racial issues in America. They've always been bad and always been ignored. Those issues haven't gotten worse in the last seven years, they've just gotten more air time. I wouldn't want to be a black man or boy in America. Hell no.
From this article...
"But data released online in the wake of the hack on Ashley Madison’s servers certainly seems to show otherwise. Someone using a credit card belonging to a Joshua J. Duggar, with a billing address that matches the home in Fayetteville, Arkansas owned by his grandmother Mary—a home that was consistently shown on their now-cancelled TV show, and in which Anna Duggar gave birth to her first child—paid a total of $986.76 for two different monthly Ashley Madison subscriptions from February of 2013 until May of 2015."
http://gawker.com/family-values-activist-josh-duggar-had-a-paid-ashley-ma-1725132091
So, his subscription was paid until May, 2015. Hmmm, right around the time this story was about to break?
LUUUCY! You got some 'splainin' to do.
I'm too tired to google it, but what is a paid Ashley account? A dating service? I'm not up on these things! Thanks!
I wonder how Josh Duggar will spin this latest news. How about, 'I did have two accounts with Ashley Madison but I only joined for research purposes and I was forced, as part of my application, to state what I was "looking" for in order to join. My intention was perfectly innocent, at no time did I intend to meet up with anyone, it was only to gather information in order to expose what others were up to which goes against everything my family and I stand for.'
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The thing with The Clintons is even if they are both narcissists who'll pathologically lie anytime a microphone is put in front of them, the USA will still be better off with a Clinton as President.
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This is snark, right? This is a sheeple coming here to play, correct?
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Why would it be snark? Because you don't agree with it? I'll take a president whose values align with mine over one whose values don't any day of the week. I don't care if any of the Republican candidates come across as sweet and innocent as Opie, I could never vote for any of them based on their positions on the issues. I happen to think that anyone who plays the political game successfully at this level has a certain amount of ruthlessness, regardless of which side of the aisle they are on.
Honestly now, is anyone really surprised by the Gawker article re: Josh?
I'm thinking this sort of revelation was almost expected. Inappropriate or criminal sexual behavior often goes beyond what we think we know. While searching for an adult affair isn't criminal of course, it is not even a little surprising that Josh is involved, IMO.
Ditto Jared Fogle. His looking at child porn online didn't "feel" like the end of the story. And it wasn't.
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I wonder how Josh Duggar will spin this latest news.
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Who cares how he will spin this. I want to hear from the fans that supported him and sloughed it off that he was only a child and that it wasn't a big deal. I want to hear how they'll twist this. This is great timing with the Duggar girl getting the People cover today. (at least I think it was today, I can't keep up with all this)
I'm torn about this hacking thing. One one hand, we all know that hacking is illegal. On the other hand, some interesting chips may fall because of it. Who else was a member? High ranking officials? Politicians? Celebrities? Any bodyguards? LOL
So the Duggars made at least $75,000 for the People article, really the pictures, since People doesn't pay for the interview?
When will the sale numbers be out on that issue and are there still people on this board that know how to access it? I'm thinking this may be another TLC attempt to gauge the public's current reaction towards their former cash cows. Here's hoping it tanks like the more recent issues featuring TFMJG.
Because you don't agree with it? I'll take a president whose values align with mine over one whose values don't any day of the week.
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Being a pathological liar (as the poster stated) aligns with your values?
Okay, then!
I'm just not sure that anyone who wants a narcissistic pathological liar as leader of the free world is of sane mind and body, but what do I know? :)
"Problem there is most of the people who poll for Trump don't vote in actual elections."
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And you know this how?
Thanks for the snacking suggestions! I'll try some things. I recently got my appetite back after being ill for a while and I feel like I'm eating like a pig even though I'm not.
From Wikipedia - Ashley Madison:
"The company received significant attention on July 15, 2015, after hackers stole all of its customer data—including names, addresses, sexual fantasies and credit card information—and threatened to post all the data online if Ashley Madison and fellow site Avid Life Media site EstablishedMen.com were not permanently closed. By July 22, the first names of customers were released by hackers,[8] with all of the user data purported to be released on August 18, 2015."
Isn't today August 18?
I guess People magazine won't be too happy about this new story about Josh Duggar coming out, especially since the Duggars are featured in their new issue.
I wonder if they will even do a story about it, or will they quietly ignore it.
BTW, in another article in People, it seems that Jessa is a bit "jellus" of Jill, because Jill's pregnancy and delivery were part of the show, and because the series was cancelled Jessa won't have that opportunity.
"It is now bittersweet, because it's not lost on [Jessa] that Jill giving birth to Israel got an entire TLC special devoted to it," a source who has worked closely with the family tells PEOPLE in this week's cover story.
"Jessa would have liked to have had the same sort of platform to give thanks, show what a miracle she feels her child is and express her gratitude," the source continues. But with the cancellation of 19 Kids in May, "the show isn't there to chronicle this happy time, and even though she's posting on social media, the scandal still gets brought up by commenters. So much has changed for Jessa compared to what Jill experienced, and it can't be changed back. And that's sad for her."
http://www.people.com/article/jessa-duggar-seewald-bittersweet-pregnancy-after-molestation-scandal
Seems like the whole purpose of these articles in People is to create sympathy for the Duggars.
I agree that we shouldn't be surprised that Josh Duggar wanted to have an affair. What would surprise me is that he found a woman to have that affair with. He seems so sleazy and gross.
I personally don't believe Josh has an addiction. He and Subway Jerod are pedophiles. It's a disorder. But I think saying they have a disease doesn't help. As a society, we feel bad for people with diseases. We have sympathy and want to help them. Since it has not been shown that pedophiles can change, I think we need to condemn them and keep isolating them. I'm not sure of the exact solution but long prison terms are a good start.
Isn't today August 18?
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Last time I checked, it was the 19th. Time flies, doesn't it? LOL!
Regarding the latest news about Josh, maybe Megyn Kelly will do an interview with Anna this time, so she can say Josh was just "curious" about the Ashley Madison website, and he made a "mistake" by signing up for it, not only in Arkansas but also when he lived in Maryland. And, of course, she has forgiven him.
I would vote for Hillary Clinton over any other possible candidate I can think of - with the exception of Bill Clinton or Barack Obama. Any of the 3 would work for me. I'm sorry to see I'm in the minority here, but that's OK. I stand by my belief that they have been, and Hillary can continue to be, top notch leaders.
I want to hear from the fans that supported him and sloughed it off that he was only a child and that it wasn't a big deal
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That's exactly what I was thinking. It was just a little mistake made by a curious adolescent many years ago and has no relevance to the respected man and father that he has now become.
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I'm kind of sad Rosie disclosed the child has mental health problems. I understand she felt she had to do that so people would take this seriously and encourage her to go home. But now that young woman has been outed.
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Makes me sad too. I am not sure that was necessary to disclose. What disturbed me is this 17 yr old teen has a large tattoo on her shoulder. I suppose Rosie ok ed that? YUCK. I see too many youngsters with tats these days and all those piercings. To my knowledge you have to be 18 or have a parent sign off. Wouldn't be surprised if Rosie and Chelsea got them together.
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Sorry for the loss of your dear cat and other pets. It is indeed a hard time with so much loss for you.My sympathy.
I guess side hugs weren't doing it for Josh.
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Regarding the latest news about Josh, maybe Megyn Kelly will do an interview with Anna this time, so she can say Josh was just "curious" about the Ashley Madison website, and he made a "mistake" by signing up for it, not only in Arkansas but also when he lived in Maryland. And, of course, she has forgiven him.
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I'm just waiting for Huckabee to weigh in!
Kate is a twit said... 152
BTW, in another article in People, it seems that Jessa is a bit "jellus" of Jill, because Jill's pregnancy and delivery were part of the show, and because the series was cancelled Jessa won't have that opportunity.
"It is now bittersweet, because it's not lost on [Jessa] that Jill giving birth to Israel got an entire TLC special devoted to it," a source who has worked closely with the family tells PEOPLE in this week's cover story.
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Wait a minute. Doesn't that fall under coveting someone's possessions/money, etc. which is specifically mentioned and forbidden in the Bible?
But because it's one of the Duggar girls expressing such a feeling, it characterized as "bittersweet". JimBoob and Babykins must be so proud.
now bittersweet?
The things that Josh wants to do and what he wants done to him is unbelievable and will truly hurt Anna as a wife. He also wants someone with good hygiene and CASUAL JEANS and a T-shirt!
According to the data, Josh Duggar was paying Ashley Madison in order to find an extramarital partner for the following acts:
“Conventional Sex,” Experimenting with Sex Toys,” One-Night Stands,” “Open to Experimentation,” “Gentleness,” “Good With Your Hands,” Sensual Massage,” “Extended Foreplay/Teasing,” “Bubble Bath for 2,” “Likes to Give Oral Sex,” “Likes to Receive Oral Sex,” “Someone I Can Teach,” “Someone Who Can Teach Me,” “Kissing,” “Cuddling & Hugging,” “Sharing Fantasies,” “Sex Talk.”
And here are the turn-ons that he offered up in service of finding a compatible person other than his wife with which to engage in those acts:
“A Professional/Well Groomed,” “Stylish/Classy,” “Casual Jeans/T-shirt Type,” “Muscular/Fit Body,” ”Petite Figure,” “Tall Height,” “Short Height,” “Long Hair,””Short Hair,” “Girl Next Door,” “Naughty Girl,” “Sense of Humor,” “Imagination,” “Creative and Adventurous,” “Relaxed and Easy Going,” “Aggressive/Take Charge Nature,” “Confidence,” “Discretion/Secrecy,” “A Good Listener,” “Good Personal Hygiene,” “Average Sex Drive,” “High Sex Drive,” “Dislikes Routine,” “Has a Secret Love Nest,” “Disease Free,” “Drug Free,” and “Natural Breasts.”
In July 2014*, he seems to have started a second account that was linked to his home in Oxon Hill, Maryland, where he spent his time lobbying against causes like same-sex marriage. The birthday listed in the data for Duggar’s first account is February 3, 1988, one month off Duggar’s actual birthday of March 3, 1988. The birthday listed for the second account is March 2, 1988.
The two accounts overlap by a period of a few months. When he launched the second account, Duggar paid an initial fee of $250 that appears to have gone toward the purchase of an “affair guarantee”:
Customers who buy 1,000 credits for $250 receive a money-back “affair guarantee,” if they don’t have an affair within three months.
Family Values Activist Josh Duggar Had a Paid Ashley Madison Account.
From the raw data of Josh’s second account:
josh_the_man’, ’Fayetteville’,’72764’Looking for you!’ ’I’m really open! You let me know what your fantasy is and we’ll do it together!
Ready4thisDC, ’Alexandria,’Do you have spark? Let’s just see where this goes! I’m looking to have a steamy affair. I want to have a good time with someone who is passionate... and see where it leads. 3,’hugs’
JOSH_THE_MAN
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The second account, which was registered in July of 2014, was paid on a monthly basis until May of 2015. We’ve reached out to TLC, the Family Research Council, and a spokesman for the Duggar family for comment.
Fido's 156, you're not alone.
gawker.com has another article about Josh Duggar. By googling the name he used on the Ashley Madison site, josephsmithsonnwa, they found an OKcupid account in that name.
Although the picture on the account isn't him, the rest of the info seems to fit, except for his saying he graduated from college.
http://gawker.com/is-this-josh-duggars-okcupid-profile-1725202825
Are the Duggars going to threaten to sue Ashley Madison next?
Isn't today August 18?
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Last time I checked, it was the 19th. Time flies, doesn't it? LOL!
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18, 19, whatever. Small touchpad, fat fingers, long fingernails, lots of typos. :)
Admin--Perhaps you could do a new post about the the latest revelation about Josh Duggar, since this thread is already quite long.
Kate is a twit said... 164
Admin--Perhaps you could do a new post about the the latest revelation about Josh Duggar, since this thread is already quite long.
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Has this latest revelation been confirmed, and it's not just some tabloid gossip or something the hackers are putting out there as fact?
18, 19, whatever. Small touchpad, fat fingers, long fingernails, lots of typos. :)
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Ha! A Seiko with the date works for me!
And on a lighter note, enjoy.
https://www.facebook.com/WallyTheWelshCorgi/videos/484817135019993/
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Seems like the whole purpose of these articles in People is to create sympathy for the Duggars.
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You can say the same thing about People and the many, many articles and covers of TFW. People's purpose was to gain sympathies for a poor, single mom doing it all by herself trying to raise 8 children, a dog and a bird all on her own when she is actually a rich, entitled stargazed celebrity want-a-be that is a multi-millionaire with a mansion, private school and 3 cars to feed.
I'm thinking this sort of revelation was almost expected. Inappropriate or criminal sexual behavior often goes beyond what we think we know. While searching for an adult affair isn't criminal of course, it is not even a little surprising that Josh is involved, IMO.
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I was thinking the same thing and we even said here what we know is probably not even the half of it. And here we are.
Like you said there's nothing illegal about an affair but in his case it suggests sexual deviance, continued sexual issues, especially some of the stuff he's looking for. It also again goes to the idea that he has been campaigning for family values while having terrible values of his own.
I bet they'll pretend like this one can't be proven. But the fact that it's tied to not just his home address but his other address in Maryland, seals the deal for me. Of course he would not use his real photo on OkCupid, too much risk he would be recognized. He uses a fake photo then when he talks to a girl he explains he's famous and can't use his real photo, and hope she understands. Surely it's a violation of any dating site policy to use a fake photo.
The question is does the young man whose photo he borrowed consent to that?
He seems like a troubled man and sexual deviant who has been living a lie for over a decade. It is NOT over and done with, Duggars and I hope social workers will do a thorough investigation into his own young children to ensure their safety.
I don't know I think what Gawker has is pretty damning. I'm sold. Anyone else?
I maintain that their style of forbidden fruit parenting when it comes to sex encourages behavior like this. They made sex mysterious, and he has spent the better part of his life trying to unlock the mystery to a deviant degree.
I personally don't believe Josh has an addiction. He and Subway Jerod are pedophiles. It's a disorder.
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Though I do think he is a pedophile and not convinced he got proper treatment for it, I didn't see anything in this dating profile that suggested he was looking for sex with a child. Affairs, yes. Deviant sexual behavior, yes. Fetish maybe. But those sites are not a good place to find children. People on them are usually adults. The pedophile web sites are apparently much more discreet and underground. This site is pretty well known and I don't think he would hide in plain sight like that.
New post please! To talk about what a good example Josh is, of those duggar home school family values!
I didn't see anything in this dating profile that suggested he was looking for sex with a child. Affairs, yes.
With women or men, or both? I haven't looked at it. I'm sure, though, that he's been forgiven and he and his wife have grown closer because of it.
" They made sex mysterious, and he has spent the better part of his life trying to unlock the mystery to a deviant degree."
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But he's now married. Wouldn't you think the mystery of sex has been unlocked by now? Unless, of course, he's really slow in turning the key.
If you believe that then you must also believe that Colin Powell also compromised national security. His so-called "transparency" after the fact should have no bearing.
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I don't understand the relevance to anything. Lots of people in politics have done wrong things like that at various times. All of that is wrong, so what of it? The point is Hillary is running for office, and Colin Powell is not. Until he is, what the heck does it matter whether he sent emails via a private server or fax or pony express, in the context of what Hillary did? It's a straw man argument, confusing the issues. The fact that Powell may have done the same doesn't make what SHE did any less wrong.
I have noticed that the louder a person rails against some sin the more likely they are personally committing that sin in their private lives. The more Josh talked about his beliefs about family values the less I believed he was a model of marital fidelity.
TV preachers were quick to condemn affairs about 10-15 years ago, but when several of them were caught......Jim Bakker, Ted Haggerty, Charles Stanley, etc......they toned down their message and started preaching more about forgiveness, being saved, and quit beating people up with the Bible.
But he's now married. Wouldn't you think the mystery of sex has been unlocked by now? Unless, of course, he's really slow in turning the key.
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I think that missionary wants a bit more than, uh, just missionary.
He wants it all with women. All of his history is with women or girls. There's no evidence he's gay, although that would really take the cake if he were. He's pretty hetero of that I'm confident of.
I have noticed that the louder a person rails against some sin the more likely they are personally committing that sin in their private lives.
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Yes. Most likely Hillary supporters are all trading national security secrets on private email servers. Hehe :)
This Ashley site is like a site to arrange consenual affairs I presume.....is this the site where everyone is pretty open you're having an affair?
He spent a TON of money on it and was on it forever! GEEZ!
Those issues haven't gotten worse in the last seven years, they've just gotten more air time.
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Actually, I couldn't agree more. It's just a lie that race relations are at an all time high. No they're not.
When analyzing the state of affairs of our society, data and statistics must be looked at. Not two isolated incidents the media fell in love with.
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