Tuesday, October 14, 2014

'Dance Moms' dancer sues Abby Lee Miller

One of the younger dancers on Lifetime's popular reality show, Paige, is suing her teacher. The suit claims Abby pinched the dancers until they bled, made them cry and called them names. It also says Abby ramped up the drama for television.


In the past, other cast members have accused the show of making the children work long hours. Abby herself has admitted some things are fake, including the "pyramid" ranking the dancers, but says she likes the perks of being a star.

The filing can be read in full here.

http://www.tmz.com/2014/10/09/dance-moms-abby-lee-miller-paige-kelly-hyland-abuse-lawsuit/

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Kate is a twit said...

Deadline.com has a more thorough story than TMZ. Their story also includes a link to the actual court filing.

http://deadline.com/2014/10/dance-moms-assault-lawsuit-host-abby-lee-miller-cast-member-849028/

Here's the link to the court filing, which is in PDF format:

https://pmcdeadline2.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/dance-moms-assult-kelly-hyland.pdf

I found it interesting that in point 11 on page 4 of the filing, they bring up the PA Child Labor Laws, and that they accuse the show of being in violation of those laws. It won't let me copy/paste from the document, but this is part of what it says:

11. As the show went into production it became clear early on that the children on the show were being subjected to abusive and unlawful working conditions. In fact the girls on the show often worked long hours without receiving all required breaks in violation of Pennsylvania Child Labor Laws and other applicable provisions of law.

It will be interesting to see if the new PA labor laws will be brought into play in this suit. The suit doesn't specifically name Lifetime or the show's production company, but it also names Does 1-20 as defendants, in addition to Abby Lee Miller.

Admin-I'd like your take on this after you read the exact complaint. I am most curious as to why the suit is being filed in CA court instead of PA court. Would it have to do with the fact that both Lifetime and Collins Avenue(the production company) are based in CA?

Anonymous said...

(Leslie)
I don't watch this show but did read the article and also the other article attached to it. Then there was also a film clip from the show on TMZ.

Kelly at some point pulled Abbey's hair and it was said that an arrest was made. Don't know if this is true. But from the clip it showed Abbey accusing Kelly of not paying and Kelly stating that she has paid for the past 10 years. Then Kelly screams at Abbey twice that she is a whore. And this fight started with the kids in the room. They showed the kids being ushered out.

I say shame on all the parents that put their kids under Abbey's control and abuse. And then to have it filmed is even more disgusting. But if I were the judge I would ask Kelly why has she stayed with Abby for ten years. Kelly is now claiming Paige, her daughter, is now in therapy from having to work with Abbey's abuse.

But it is her mother's responsible to prevent this. This incident, or even incidents (hair pulling, name calling, etc.) was not a surprise to anybody in the least. Abbey's behavior is very well known and no surprise to anyone. It wasn't as if Abbey did a one time or even two time bad act that surprised Kelly. The mother is 100% at fault...not Abbey. The mother sat through all the practices and witnessed Abbey's abuse ways for ten years. And it sounds like Kelly is abusive too. She pulled Abbey's hair and called her a whore twice.

The judge needs to throw this lawsuit out. And all parents need to wise up and get their kids out from Abby's control and presence. And TV needs to stop filming this garbage.

Anonymous said...

(Leslie)
Kate is a Twit, the complaint does mention Lifetime and Collins. And it also states in the very beginning why it was filed in California. The reasons were the parties in the contract were governed by laws in California. It also states all parties of the contract do business in CA.

Tucker's Mom said...

The money being spent on this stupid lawsuit should be spent on therapy for the "traumatized" daughter, and not on Abbey.
I do hope that it does bring any child labor infractions to light, and shut down production of this exploitive show.

Where are the fathers, btw??? Just happily spending the blood money?

Anonymous said...

Leslie watch the clip again. ALM was moving toward Kelly in a threatening manner and tried to bite her finger. I think the blame is equally shared between the two. ALM is a bully and the network seems to encourage it for ratings and they also seem to encourage the moms to let the crazy fly.

Sue

Formerly Duped said...

Kate is a Twit: Thanks for the pdf of the complaint.


I agree these mothers should get their children off the show. They seem to use the 'bound by a contract' excuse very easily. However, I do believe that most of the girls were Abby's students since they were 2 -3 years of age and found her dance classes a positive experience. I don't think the mothers knew what would happen and many of their 'fights' were merely scripted.

I think being a star went to Abby's head. Her mother was a famous dance teacher and seemed gentle in her manner and Abby idolized her.Having her own show made Abby more narcissistic and brought out the bully in her.

I did see the episode with the chair. It was not finished for the upcoming competition ( by Kelly) and Abby did throw it quite near Paige, whom she was yelling at and threatening to cut her solo . It did appear that Abby would throw the chair again at Paige, continue to berate her and her mother, and possibly hit her. Paige was often the scapegoat for the group.Paige and Kendall have been shown having panic/crying attacks. Nia, the only African-American child, is also insulted and usually given only ethnic solos.

When Kelly pulled Abby's hair,it was after Abby lunged toward her and pretended she was going to bite Kelly's face- or maybe actually was. Who knows what was scripted?

The whole slant of the show changed a couple of years ago and I stopped watching with my dd. It became the "Maddie" and Abby show- Maddie is a student who has had some success as a dancer and was in the Chandelier video,. Everyone is berated for not being Maddie- even as far as not having her facial expressions etc. Abby is never happy with 2nd place and calls the girls who get 2nd 'the first loser' She often insults the girls' physical appearance or habits, and although Maddie is not the cutest of the kids, she is the one to emulate.

It has become untenable now. I think the mothers should get their children out, despite lawsuits- there is plenty of evidence against Abby bullying the kids, and besides, they must have made a lot of money from the show by now to pay for lawyers. They seem to care about their children so they should act on it.

Tucker's Mom said...

Anonymous said... 5
Leslie watch the clip again. ALM was moving toward Kelly in a threatening manner and tried to bite her finger. I think the blame is equally shared between the two. ALM is a bully and the network seems to encourage it for ratings and they also seem to encourage the moms to let the crazy fly.

Sue
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Just goes to show these reality tv whores have no shame and a big dark cavity where their soul once was.
I'd be mortified if I ever was on camera snapping my veneers at the air, acting like a LUNATIC.

Tucker's Mom said...

I agree these mothers should get their children off the show. They seem to use the 'bound by a contract' excuse very easily.
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It is an excuse. If a minor is being harmed by the filming, there's no judge on earth that would enforce that contract.
The mothers love the money, fame and attention more than they love their own daughters.

Tucker's Mom said...

Everyone is berated for not being Maddie- even as far as not having her facial expressions etc. Abby is never happy with 2nd place and calls the girls who get 2nd 'the first loser' She often insults the girls' physical appearance or habits, and although Maddie is not the cutest of the kids, she is the one to emulate.
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This is why I don't give a crap if Abbey's students get gigs on Broadway or wherever. It's sick to subject minors to this and brainwashing kids to believe that 2nd place is first loser will one day end in tragedy.

Dmasy said...

Paper Plates, I am sorry I took awhile before answering your question from the previous topic. I have been thinking about you.

My best advice is TAKE TIME.

Take time to be with yourself. The horrible days will get better -- bit by bit. Don't make any change that isn't absolutely necessary. Don't rush into any new relationship.

Re-location, getting a job or changing jobs, dating -- they all cause you to focus outside yourself. They are distractions. Not thinking might help in the moment, but for the long haul of life you need to heal completely.

Learn who you are when alone. It is difficult. Survive feeling abandoned by becoming more sure of how valuable you really are.

Wonderful surprises are waiting for you. Be ready, healed and healthy when they find you.

Hugs.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

It is an excuse. If a minor is being harmed by the filming, there's no judge on earth that would enforce that contract.

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I completely 100% agree with this. I simply do not believe any judge who allows a minor out of his contractual obligations because they are being harmed would ever be reversed. It is a lame excuse used for years. You learn in contract law that contracts CAN be breached for various reasons. For instance if you contract to do something illegal, like working such long hours you're in violation of child labor laws, you can breach without consequence.

Formely Duped, it sounds like I stopped watching just about when you did. In my opinion this show was pretty good the first couple seasons. Then it changed. I think they thought the draw was all the fighting, Abby being a monster and pitting the kids against each other. So they ramped all that up times ten and it became less about the dance, which is what I enjoyed. They lost me.

Tucker's Mom said...

Learn who you are when alone. It is difficult. Survive feeling abandoned by becoming more sure of how valuable you really are.

Wonderful surprises are waiting for you. Be ready, healed and healthy when they find you.

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Great advice.
The best day post divorce, for me, was when I tossed my wedding album into the trash can.
Swish!
All net...

Tucker's Mom said...

You learn in contract law that contracts CAN be breached for various reasons.
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From the sounds of it, Abbey changed a lot, and became an abusive tyrant. That alone is reason to break your kid out of the contract.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Kate is a Twit thanks for the PDF. I looked for it a bit last night then conked out dead asleep not being able to find it.

I apologize for not being around as much and keeping the blog as updated. I've been super busy with a lot of things, one of them being my landscape photography. I am doing my first art show next month, I will be part of an art walk. I am sooo excited but it's also a ton of work to get ready for it. Then I just went up to Oregon this past weekend (my first time there I loved it!), and in two weeks I begin a big volunteer project that's going to go into next July. This time of year is always busy for a lot of people anyway but life is good. I'll try to be more attentive.

Anonymous said...

(Leslie)
I looked it up and Kelly has appeared in 75 episodes. So my question is did Kelly, the mother, just sign one contract that covered all these 75 episodes. My guess is no. And that is why I feel she is at fault. It is abuse on her part to sign her daughter up for a show that she knows has a very abusive teacher and production crew that encourages it.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...


(Leslie)
I looked it up and Kelly has appeared in 75 episodes. So my question is did Kelly, the mother, just sign one contract that covered all these 75 episodes. My guess is no. And that is why I feel she is at fault. It is abuse on her part to sign her daughter up for a show that she knows has a very abusive teacher and production crew that encourages it.

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I agree, and I feel about this situation pretty much how I feel about the Gosselins. To me, the fault with the Gosselins lies with the parents themselves, but also TLC, Discovery, and the state of PA for not cracking down. Same with Dance Moms. The fault is on the parents too, as well as Abby, as well as Lifetime and PA. Much like it takes a village to raise a child, it can take a village to exploit a child too. However, I don't think Kelly's hands are so unclean that she shouldn't file this lawsuit. I think she should file it. She needs to own her role in it, but just because she did something wrong should not absolve Abby of wrongdoing.

JMO said...

Dmasy said... 10
Paper Plates, I am sorry I took awhile before answering your question from the previous topic. I have been thinking about you.

My best advice is TAKE TIME.

Take time to be with yourself. The horrible days will get better -- bit by bit. Don't make any change that isn't absolutely necessary. Don't rush into any new relationship.

Re-location, getting a job or changing jobs, dating -- they all cause you to focus outside yourself. They are distractions. Not thinking might help in the moment, but for the long haul of life you need to heal completely.

Learn who you are when alone. It is difficult. Survive feeling abandoned by becoming more sure of how valuable you really are.

Wonderful surprises are waiting for you. Be ready, healed and healthy when they find you.
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Been there although nowhere near the length of your marriage. BUT I spent a lot of time with close friends and family who knew me well, went to counseling to address the huge change in my life, and did not date for a while, as I simply was not ready; I needed to heal first and get some perspective of what I actually wanted at that point in my life.

Surround yourself with close knit people, who know you well, try new things that you would enjoy, and take very good care of yourself. There are seasons to life, and we don't always want them, but they open new chapters in life. Sounds stupid, but you will eventually establish a new life for yourself, and eventually enjoy it.

In the meantime, wishing you the best, and don't let this change who you really are!

Tucker's Mom said...

However, I don't think Kelly's hands are so unclean that she shouldn't file this lawsuit. I think she should file it. She needs to own her role in it, but just because she did something wrong should not absolve Abby of wrongdoing.
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It will be very interesting if this suit goes forward and doesn't get dismissed.
If it goes forward, and Abbey is held responsible for her abuse, I hope it furthers a discussion about parents putting their kids on reality tv for money.
It's wrong and it needs to stop.
I hate to think what it says about us as a society that we can stand by using children who are unable to consent or begin to understand what putting their lives on tv as far as life-long consequences, both good and bad.

JMO said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 14
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Good for you! Enjoy your life.... that's what it is all about.

Over And Out said...

Joan Parks ‏@nanniefila 5h5 hours ago
@Kateplusmy8 BTE, which one of the kids?

MYOB. Who cares? Why is it important to know which one of the children is reading a book and wants to recite it to Kate? Is this a Milo-in-Training?

Call Me Crazy said...

Admin - Congratulations on the art show! If your profile photo is an indication of your talent, then you will find great success! I am very excited for you!

Mojave said...

Oh, Admin, I have a 30 mile drive to work every morning driving toward and into the Spring Mountains. In the evening I drive out of the Spring's and toward the Sunrise mountain range. Every single day, the mountains are different. Breathtakingly stunning and I want to capture their beauty so bad. Truly every hour they present differently. I am so jealous that you can do what I do not have the ability to do--which is to capture the grandeur to share with others. Best of luck with your show. I am jealous!!

Tucker's Mom said...

Admin, great to hear your photography is going to be shown!

Pooshanella said...

I just read a blurb online that Jon was or is being evicted from his home for not paying rent for the last 4 months...
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2014/10/15/former-jon-kate-plus-8-star-jon-gosselin-reportedly-evicted-from-pennsylvania/?intcmp=features

Sheri said...

Meant to comment on this yesterday, got busy, now new thread...so I'm bringing this over.

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack 1h1 hour ago
@LeesaEchols @Kateplusmy8 I've read it...will offer my 2cts worth...lots of gossip, supposition & fantasy fr author who is obsessed w/Kate!

This has to be the most hypocritical thing Milo has ever tweeted.

"...author who is obsessed w/Kate!"????

Are you f'n kidding me, this from the person...

1) whose twitter handle is Fired Up 4 Kate
2) who tweets about Kate's rockin' bod
3) who asks Kate which of her kids needs new underwear
4) who writes sing song rhymes about Kate's 14 year olds' birthday
5) who begs Kate for scraps of attention on a social media forum

Sure, Milo...Mr. Hoffman is obsessed with Kate. Seeing as how you're the ultimate authority on the matter, I guess you would know, right?

AuntieAnn said...

Abby herself has admitted some things are fake, including the "pyramid" ranking the dancers, but says she likes the perks of being a star.

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Well hell yes Abby. The perks are worth every bit of abuse you dole out to your students. Who wouldn't agree with that, huh? I'll bet the pimp, sorry, the production company, promised even bigger better perks if you get a little meaner. Lawsuit? pffft.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

After reading the actual complaint I have a bit more understanding of Kelly, assuming this is true. Kelly said as early as season two she wanted to yank the children off the show and the producers threatened to sue her for everything she had if she did. Sound familiar? I can see how that would really scare someone. It's easy for us to say call their bluff and pull the kids off but it's different when you are the person they are threatening. She also retained an attorney around that time which to me shows she has made active efforts to correct this situation and has been trying for awhile now. Props to her.

Sheri said...

I think I watched 10 minutes of one episode of Dance Moms and realized right away that this show had very little to do with the dancing and was all about the immature antics of a group of stage moms and an obnoxious instructor.

I mean, it's right there in the title, isn't it?

It is so sad that so many kids are being used and exploited just to make bank for a bunch of t.v. producers, executives and narcissistic adults vying for their 15 minutes of fame.

I shudder to think what the latest generation of kids is going to grow up thinking is normal and acceptable behaviour if this is the example they are being shown.

What a world.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Also interesting is Kelly says they were told when they signed up this was just going to be six episodes. Then I guess it took off and morphed into the juggernaut it is now. I do remember it was just a mini series when it started so that sounds credible. I can see how decent parents could have easily been duped into the "just six" promise then suckered into 100 more episodes because of something in the fine print and fear they would be sued if they didn't. I applaud anything that exposes the shady practice of taking advantage of unrepresented laymen and their little children. Where is the state of PA? The moms have been complaining about the long hours since at least 2012.

foxy said...

If Jon Gosselin has really been evicted from his home, why hasn't Radar or any other rag picked up on this? Only Star has it. It sounds like a plant on behalf of Kate. I am glad Jon is being silent.

JoyinVirginia said...

Admin, thanks for new thread! Glad things are busy for you! TFMJG is so boring, no need for new posts on her. Next time you could do a post for discussion about holiday preparations, recipes,.decoration, etc. starting with Halloween and going thru New Years!
Here is a crazy thought: any possibility that the is part of pr for the show? Getting attention? Filled i'm California so TMZ and other gossip does will have easier access to documents? And after a certain amount of negotiation everything will be dropped, all will be forgiven, and the reunion special, Abby and the Moms tell all,.will get ratings?
I think any parent who has allowed their child to be worked so hard should be investigated for abuse.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

I'm guessing they filed it in CA because they felt the laws they are seeking relief under are more favorable there than PA and the parties have enough contacts with CA to justify it. But I bet the first motion Abby will file will be to say CA doesn't have jurisdiction.

Millicent said...

I have never watched Dance Moms, and it sounds like I didn't miss anything much. However, I think this is just another example of how signing a contract with a large corporation may mean you are signing your life (and that of your minor child) away and out of your control. I wish people were more careful before signing contract.

However, I agree that if the allegations in the complaint are accurate, that a judge should find for the plaintiffs and order them released from the contract, in addition to whatever other findings he/she might also arrive at.

Because I am such an intensely private person, I don't really understand why people want to have their lives exposed on tv. I know that it comes with perks, like making lots of money. But I would rather pinch my pennies than have no control over my own life.

I hope the plaintiffs can prevail in their lawsuit. Sounds like they have been subjected to some very unpleasant things.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Hey, Admin, no worries about not being around more. I pay exactly
zero cents for the privilege of being a part of this swell blog, so I feel
like I always come out ahead. Glad your life is busy and thriving!

AuntieAnn said...

Tucker's Mom said... 7

Just goes to show these reality tv whores have no shame and a big dark cavity where their soul once was.

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I was reading over some of Kate's journal yesterday and again came to the part (in the early days of the show) where she said she was worried 'satan' was gaining ground on her and she didn't want that to happen. Whoops. Guess she was a little weaker than she thought.

It reminded me of Flip Wilson's immortal rationalization that 'the devil made me do it'. Abby appears to have snagged a deal with him for the 'perks' too.

Reality tv really is the hellhole of the boobtube.

Tucker's Mom said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 26
After reading the actual complaint I have a bit more understanding of Kelly, assuming this is true. Kelly said as early as season two she wanted to yank the children off the show and the producers threatened to sue her for everything she had if she did. Sound familiar?
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If true, then that is a scary thing. Still, if Kelly truly believed that her daughter's well being was in jeopardy, I can't imagine a judge not finding in her favor.
I mean, she had to have sought legal counsel at that time, right?
I sure as heck would.

It's not like Jon Gosselin, who totally breached his contract on several levels and left himself wide open.

Tucker's Mom said...

Where is the state of PA? The moms have been complaining about the long hours since at least 2012.
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I wonder if this is on Rep. Murt's radar.
These people just see dollar signs, I swear. Who signs a legal document with no representation?
If this has been an issue since 2012, I wonder why no authorities have investigated.
Any sane person can see that these kids are being used and abused.

Millicent said...

Admin - congratulations on having your first show and I hope it goes well. So exciting to have a passion for something and get to exhibit your work! Also, if you don't mind, I'd like to hear what areas of Oregon you visited, purely for selfish reasons :) I am considering retiring to Oregon in a few years and will myself be visiting that state in the coming months to check out various areas.

To the poster who is going through a divorce. I am so sorry to hear of it. I have never been married, so never divorced. I thought the advice given to you so far was very good. Going through painful times is always difficult, but I think suffering and grieving are part of the process of arriving at healing. It sucks at the time, but to truly move on, you have to go through it. I definitely agree with the advice that suggested you avoid dating or romance for awhile. This is the best time to focus on yourself and reconnect with yourself. Best wishes.

I have not been posting much because my life is a little hectic as well. First, I am in escrow - my home sold. Now I'm searching for a place to rent and discovering that in my area, rentals are hard to find. For every available home, there are so many applicants. So I'm waiting until escrow closes and I have a chunk of money, so that I can offer to pay the 1st six months rent right up front. Maybe that will take me to the front of the line.

I also lost a good friend just a couple weeks ago. She had been in fragile health for awhile, but still her death was a shock. I am going to miss her terribly. She was both a friend and a co-worker and I relied on her legal knowledge.

And last but not least, my car is on the fritz. My mechanic has had it for two days now and is still trying to figure out the problem. The steering wheel was loosey-goosey, and now it doesn't want to turn at all. I'm afraid it's going to be an expensive repair, which will then mean I have to decide: Repair it and then sell it; or just try to sell it as is and buy a new car.

Life! It has its ups and downs, but it will all work out in the end. :)

Tucker's Mom said...

"Jon didn’t understand the terms of the contract and broke the lease, thinking he could just rent the property after agreeing to the rent to own the contractual agreement,” a source tells Star. “Evidently, he didn’t understand the terms of the contract.”

The same Jon who bragged about people coming to him with reality tv contracts so he could "red line" them?
Come on! Jon has seen how many contracts by now?
If this is true, he needs a swift kick in the ass.

All these years later and he still has no stability.

SMDH (if it's true)

Star report:
click

Tucker's Mom said...

Millicent said... 37
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I hope your rental and car situation resolve.
It's really hectic moving and finding a new place.

I just have a suggestion- take your car to another place for repair. Two days and nothing is really not good.

Report back when you can!

JMO said...

Tucker's Mom said... 38
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I agree.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Millicent, Yachats on the coast. It was beautiful!!

Formerly Duped said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGxcGRh4Or4

This is a grainy (phone?) video of the scene where Abby throws the chair and insults several dancers and especially Paige.

Call Me Crazy said...

Millicent - I am sorry for your loss and all the upheaval you are going through right now. Your positive attitude will see you through. Best wishes for quick resolutions on the home and car fronts. I hope your memories of your friend will comfort you in the future. Thinking of you and wishing you well.

PJ's momma said...

Admin, hopefully you go to Cannon Beach. THAT is one of the most spectacular places on earth!

Formerly Duped said...

Wonder if Kate is jellus of the 'attention' the Dance Mom girls are getting??

Tula said...

How can Jon afford a home that cost that much????? In December 2013, the dad of eight found the home of his dreams, conveniently located near ex Kate Gosselin’s property where his children permanently reside. At the time, he agreed to the terms of a rent to own lease agreement for the $299,000 property.

Paper Plates Forever! Yay! said...

First of all, Admin, congratulations on your first show. I wish I knew you in person. I know I would like you immediately. And thank you for letting posters get on here to connect with each other. I never thought in a million years that I would dump my stuff on strangers but I'm glad I did. LOL. Hey, that is the first time I have written LOL down since I got the bad news. Things must be looking up.
Second, Dmasy and JMO, thank you, thank you for your words. Dmasy, as I read your post, I started crying. I am sitting in my office with the door closed and your words gave me the lift I needed today. For a second there, I felt good and not so despondent. I know I will survive!!!
And yes, Yachats is soooo beautiful. We went there 23 years ago when I was pregnant with my first daughter. The owners of the Yachats Inn had just been through a terrible kidnapping four years prior and when we checked in, I saw a shotgun behind the desk. I remember them being on the Phil Donahue show.

Tucker's Mom said...

"New York dance studio, Steps on Broadway, has been training and supporting dancers for more than 30 years with The School at Steps, teaching children ages 2 to 18. The School’s Director Kate Thomas is “really appalled” by what she has seen on “Dance Moms.”

“The show is child abuse, in my opinion; [Miller] should be in jail.” says Thomas. “They just show this kind of abusive woman badgering these poor little children into these performance pieces and then dragging them all over the country to participate in competitions that [Miller] doesn’t even know anything about. In some cases, they were performing on floors that shouldn’t be danced on, like gymnasium floors where a kid slipped and hurt herself. It is just irresponsible to me and I know that there are some terrific schools that participate in competition.”


So, *real* dance teachers do not subscribe to Abbey's terroristic manner of "teaching".
Those kids excel no because of her, but in spite of her.

Tucker's Mom said...

Tula said... 46
How can Jon afford a home that cost that much????? In December 2013, the dad of eight found the home of his dreams, conveniently located near ex Kate Gosselin’s property where his children permanently reside. At the time, he agreed to the terms of a rent to own lease agreement for the $299,000 property.
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The real question is, "how can he not?

Tucker's Mom said...

Paper Plates Forever! Yay! said... 47
First of all, Admin, congratulations on your first show. I wish I knew you in person. I know I would like you immediately. And thank you for letting posters get on here to connect with each other.
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I think I'd like all of you lovely ladies on the veranda. It's great to share both joy and sorrow, and I am amazed at the attitudes here.
So positive and so generous.

Formerly Duped said...

I think I'd like all of you lovely ladies on the veranda. It's great to share both joy and sorrow, and I am amazed at the attitudes here.
So positive and so generous.
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I agree! We've had some fun times on this old veranda, and exchanged all kinds of tales and information.

And congrats, Admin, and good luck, Millicent. Paper Plates, I think you will be happier in the long run and I know you will come up smiling one day.

NJGal51 said...

@Kateplusmy8: It's days like this(drenching rain) that I seriously consider having an awning put on the BBB.8 kids waiting in line2get in= soaked! #NOJoke
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Ooops! TFW forgot to include @totes in her tweet. How does she expect to grift umbrellas X8? A normal mother would get out of the BBB to hold an umbrella over her kids.

I watched the Dance Mom's reunion show last night and when some of the moms were talking Abby would just lean over and talk to one of the other moms (Maddy & Mckinzie's mom) and she was called out on being rude. I got the impression that she thinks that she's untouchable (shades of TFW). Someone asked Holly (Nia's mom) why she didn't just go to another studio and she said something to the effect that she wasn't going to run and hide or let Abby force her out she was going to point out the injustices and hold Abby accountable....and then I realized I was missing Sons of Anarchy so I changed the channel.

chefsummer #Leh said...

I blame the parents they put their kids on the show and the-(Parents) know how Abby is.

I all ways thought Abby is like Gordon Ramsay of dance.

PatK said...

Oh, dear...oh, dear. Kate's children got wet waiting in line to board the BBB!!! What's a mother to do???

I'm surprised the local school bus system doesn't allow her to drive the BBB right up to the bus door. Don't they know who she is??? *rolling my eyes*

chefsummer #Leh said...

How can Jon afford a home that cost that much?????
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What happen to the home he just bought-(the 1 near KK's compound). What did he do with the house & is he and Liz still living together?

chefsummer #Leh said...

Formerly Duped said... 45
Wonder if Kate is jellus of the 'attention' the Dance Mom girls are getting??
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Um she doesn't pay attention to the news remember,

Formerly Duped said...

Has TFW heard of umbrellas? On one episode- I think where they split up- she and Jon herded the kids into a restaurant one by one with great ceremony under a big umbrella- has she forgotten? And she described in boring detail in IJWYTK I think,how they cleverly put the children in garbage bags on their rainy trip to the zoo. Maybe she should have a Post-it note for rainy days- bring umbrella.

Tucker's Mom said...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGxcGRh4Or4

Thanks for the link. Ugh. In this clip at least, Kelly is a foul-mouthed ,nasty, poor excuse for a mother.
The language and name calling is disgusting.
What the hell are these women teaching their little girls.

They're raising truck drivers.
No offense to truck drivers.

I think Kelly's hands are plenty dirty.

AuntieAnn said...

Formerly Duped said... 42

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGxcGRh4Or4

This is a grainy (phone?) video of the scene where Abby throws the chair and insults several dancers and especially Paige.

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I watched that the other day and saw that she didn't throw the chair AT Paige, she tossed it on the floor. It's obviously a scripted piece with some dramatics tossed in the mix so that there will be something for Kelly to get P'eed off about, otherwise why have the show? Kids? What kids? According to Abby they should 'grow the hell up' anyway. The whole thing is sickening.

Tucker's Mom said...

....and then I realized I was missing Sons of Anarchy so I changed the channel.
*******
After Tara got forked (couldn't even watch that!), I said "stick a fork in me".
The level of violence just kept on increasing each season, but I'll tell 'ya, I do miss the show.
Someone please give me a heads up when Gemma is expected to get what's coming. I don't think I can miss that!

Over In TFW's County said...

Oh, dear...oh, dear. Kate's children got wet waiting in line to board the BBB!!! What's a mother to do???

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Don't forget -- she has EIGHT kids. EIGHT. She reminded her tweeties!

I'm surprised that someone as organized as she is didn't listen to the weather reports and put rain jackets on these kids!

AuntieAnn said...

.8 kids waiting in line2get in= soaked! #NOJoke

Oh yeah, that's right. She has EIGHT kids. People almost forgot she has EIGHT kids. When was the last time she mentioned she has EIGHT kids? Eight kids, eight kids... gotta remember that.




HI Chef. Glad to see your name here again.

And from the last thread, hi and thank you Franky. I bow to the Buddha in you as well.

Amy2 said...

Derek Hough did not have kind words to say about ALM.

Link: http://www.wetpaint.com/dancing-with-the-stars/articles/2014-05-12-derek-hough-calls-abby-lee

AuntieAnn said...

Over In TFW's County said... 61

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Don't forget -- she has EIGHT kids. EIGHT. She reminded her tweeties!

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lol Over. Your post wasn't up when I commented. Yep, lest anyone forget - KATE GOSSELIN is a mom of EIGHT.

chefsummer #Leh said...

PatK said... 54
Oh, dear...oh, dear. Kate's children got wet waiting in line to board the BBB!!! What's a mother to do???
_______-

I guess good ol' rat claws wasn't there with 8 umbrella.

chefsummer #Leh said...

AuntieAnn said... 62

:-).

FlimsyFlamsy said...

It's a rainy day in Pennsylvania and the Gosselin 8 got wet.
All these riveting teasers are sure to bring boffo ratings in
December! #RatherWatchPaintDry

Paper Plates Forever! Yay! said...

Millicent, thank you for your words as well. I blew past a few posts and missed yours ): I always like your posts and the wisdom that you have. When I think of this blog, it reminds me of the fact that something good always seems to come out of something negative. Kate The Bad Seed -> Meeting Nice People On Blog

Tucker's Mom said...

How long does it take 8 kids to pile into a van?
The weather today was forecasted, so once again, it appears Kate failed to prepare.
Why the heck wouldn't she have grabbed a golf umbrella and held it while the kids go in the van?

She's so helpless and hapless.

Over In TFW's County said...

Oh yeah, that's right. She has EIGHT kids. People almost forgot she has EIGHT kids. When was the last time she mentioned she has EIGHT kids? Eight kids, eight kids... gotta remember that.

++++++++++++++++++

What's really sad is that she herded the kids into the van and then thought...oh, I have to tweet about this! Why? Are they the only kids ever to get wet in the rain? Or don't EIGHT kids get wet at the same time...is this the uniqueness of the situation?

Over And Out said...

Julie ‏@Juliemennealy 2h2 hours ago
@shatzy8 @Kateplusmy8 KidsRkids. No umbrella is much more fun. I feel for her. She has her hands full. #DontHate 👬👭👬👭

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It's rain! You know, that wet stuff that falls from the sky. It's not radiation from a nuclear explosion. Good lord but these sheeple are butt-kissers.

Over In TFW's County said...

The weather today was forecasted, so once again, it appears Kate failed to prepare.

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It's been in the weather forecast for several days. Heavy rain all day, thunderstorms, flood advisories, but I guess Milo slipped on her meteorologist's job. Perhaps she only assumes that role when it's snowing.

Rhymes with Witch said...

I wonder how many tweeties are aware of this:

"Remember, once it is out there, it is there forever, especially now that the Library of Congress archives all tweets.”

Here's a link to the article.

http://www.bbc.com/capital/story/20141014-get-on-board-or-step-aside

AuntieAnn said...

What's really sad is that she herded the kids into the van and then thought...oh, I have to tweet about this! Why? Are they the only kids ever to get wet in the rain?

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Why yes, apparently they are.

Let's see...Connecting the dots here... It's raining....TLC is maybe still filming.... Kate is so dull they can't find anything interesting to film... so...Kate decides she wants an awning for the BBB....and voila!!!! Kate gets her new awning and it fills at least 12 freaking minutes of the next boring special!!! Yay for Kate having EIGHT KIDS!!!

Over In TFW's County said...

Thanks for the link. Ugh. In this clip at least, Kelly is a foul-mouthed ,nasty, poor excuse for a mother.
The language and name calling is disgusting.
What the hell are these women teaching their little girls.

++++++++++++++++++++

I sometimes think the same thing if I read tweets from haters. Sheeple can be vile and obscene and really pile it on, but I read some things on a non-fan's timeline and my jaw dropped open. What turns a mature woman into a junior high mean girl with language to match? It's not only the foul mouth, but the insults, cruel accusations, and just filthy stuff coming from these woman that is so disturbing...and these are parents?

Call Me Crazy said...

Oh, my. It's a new and intriguing philosophical thought question. If 8 Gosselins stand in the rain, and there is no one there to Tweet about it, do they still get wet? Utterly fascinating.

Rhymes with Witch said...

If I may, I'd like to parse this sentence.

" kate is so dull they can't find anything interesting to film... " Yes indeedy!

"Kate decides she wants an awning for the BBB....and voila!!!!"
Since she was too lazy to research an awning company to include in her tweet, I'm also guessing that TLC is still filming and will provide one. As if she'll use ot more than once - i.e., for filming.
Hooded raincoats? Umbrellas? For 8?
Oh the cost!.

On a related note, I cannot understand why TLC is bothering anymore. Katie's "glory days" are long over.

Rhymes with Witch said...

Perhaps she only assumes that role when it's snowing. 72

You have a point. I do think that Milo is a southerner and has no or very little experience with snow, unlike us heartier folks.

Kate is a twit said...

Tucker's Mom said... 69
How long does it take 8 kids to pile into a van?
The weather today was forecasted, so once again, it appears Kate failed to prepare.
Why the heck wouldn't she have grabbed a golf umbrella and held it while the kids go in the van?
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Maybe she was afraid that if SHE got wet, she would melt.

Meanwhile, Milo's more concerned about the inside of the bus getting wet more than she is that the kids got soaked. Typical Milo.

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack · 7m
@Kateplusmy8 I hear you! Awful when all the #WetStuff gets N the car..it keeps raining..U can't "air it out" & darkness falls! #MoldWorries

Rhymes with Witch said...

Oh, my. It's a new and intriguing philosophical thought question. If 8 Gosselins stand in the rain, and there is no one there to Tweet about it, do they still get wet? Utterly fascinating. 76

Crazy, thanks. I needed that laugh.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Can you imagine if Jon tweeted that he'd picked up the kids and
they got soaked in the rain? The fans would be in an uproar,
saying all the kids will now catch ebola, and demand his visitation
rights be stripped.

Serendipity said...

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack 3m3 minutes ago
@Kateplusmy8 I hate when U get N car w/wet umbrella/fold it back up & all the water soaks U anyway! Umbrellas have NOT improved w/time!

Gladys, you dingbat. How old are you, and you still haven't figured out what to do with an umbrella when you get into a car? Here's a suggestion. You use the open umbrella to walk to the car, You open your car door. You slide into the seat, keeping in mind that the umbrella is still open. You stick the umbrella outside and flick it in and out a few times to get most of the water off. You close the umbrella. You again shake it off. You put it inside your car.
Oh, and they do make plastic thingies into which you can slip the umbrella. It keeps your car (and you) dry.

Got it? Try it. It works.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

You fold the umbrella up OUTSIDE your car. How dumb can you be?

Tucker's Mom said...

Oh my, the hand wringing and coddling of Kate because her KIDS got wet.
Not Kate.
Idiots.

AuntieAnn said...

Call Me Crazy said... 76

Oh, my. It's a new and intriguing philosophical thought question. If 8 Gosselins stand in the rain, and there is no one there to Tweet about it, do they still get wet? Utterly fascinating.

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Ah yes. You ask that question, thereby raising the possibility that they may not actually BE wet, only that we perceive they are wet because their delusional mother created an alternate reality to invoke the idea that rain has fallen upon her children and therefore we must believe they are wet. Ergo her sheep discern the immensity of her solitary burden that includes driving her eight kids home where she will have them strip down to their unnerwears outside the basement entrance so as to prevent her precious floors from becoming soiled and wet. Further she must toss eight uniforms of clothing into only two dryers which hinders her very carefully scheduled evening timetable. Supper is ruined.

I see what you mean.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Anyone who lives in PA wouldn't flinch over getting a little wet or even a lot wet. It happens. Such drama over such a common weather pattern.

Tucker's Mom said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 84
Anyone who lives in PA wouldn't flinch over getting a little wet or even a lot wet. It happens. Such drama over such a common weather pattern.
October 15, 2014 at 5:17 PM
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We had tornado warnings here. Really, really bad lightning. Scary stuff.
Getting wet from rain is nothing.
Big deal.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Admin (#84), I wonder if maybe the help couldn't make it to
work at the last minute, and TFW was saddled with the job
of picking up the kids. I imagine she manages to avoid bad
weather pick-ups on the regular, with her fleet of not-a-nannies.

PA Dutch Mom said...

Anyone who lives in PA wouldn't flinch over getting a little wet or even a lot wet. It happens. Such drama over such a common weather pattern.

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I don't mind the body getting wet, but today there was so much rain and so heavy that there was no escaping the puddles. I had to step in one up to my ankles to get from the store to the car. Water in the shoes is not fun, but hey, Kate, believe it or not, it dries!

We didn't get the heavy thunderstorms that were predicted, but traffic on the major routes in and out of the city was a disaster. There were accidents everywhere, at every turn, and no matter if you thought you were smart enough to try a different route, it just didn't work out for you. There was a woman who tried to go through water under a bridge tunnel and she ended up on top of her car, waiting for a boat rescue. That's how much it rained. These drivers think that oh, it's not deep, I can make it through, and realize too late that they should have turned around.

I'm in for the night!

PA Dutch Mom said...

Further she must toss eight uniforms of clothing into only two dryers which hinders her very carefully scheduled evening timetable. Supper is ruined.

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Well, at least she didn't scream at one of the girls, "She's ruined." At least not that we know of...

Tucker's Mom said...

Another article about Jon, with more info on his living arrangements:

"“It’s true. The eviction happened last week. He could no longer afford the rent. He has moved out and is already in a new place in the same neighborhood,” an insider told E!. “The job at the credit card company he was working for didn’t pan out. The anticipated income wasn’t there and the situation deteriorated.”

Unfortunately Jon can’t have the kids come and visit now – Kate won’t allow him to come to the house so he has to figure out other ways to spend time with them.

“The saddest part of it is he now has nowhere to take the kids. He’s not allowed at the house, so he was taking them to his old apartment. But the new one is too small for eight children. It’s heartbreaking,” another source revealed. “Jon has asked friends for help, but no one wants to lend him money because they don’t see how he’d be able to pay it back.”

Now would be a great time for Kate to be the bigger person and lend some support to her ex, for the sake of those poor children if nothing else!"

Yeah, like Kate would spit on Jon if he was on fire.

Popdust

NJGal51 said...

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack · 7m
@Kateplusmy8 I hear you! Awful when all the #WetStuff gets N the car..it keeps raining..U can't "air it out" & darkness falls! #MoldWorries
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Actually Milo you can air it out. They Che these wonderful things to park your cars in called garages and when you park it there you can open the windows and air it out overnight. We know that TFW has a huge garage so this shouldn't be a problem for her. AND how wet can your car get that you'd have to worry about mold? It's not like the BBB was sitting in the rain with all the windows open. Sheesh.

NJGal51 said...

Tucker's Mom - I'll try to let you know when the karma train is pulling in to Gemma's station. She deserves everything she gets.

JoyinVirginia said...

NJ gal, was Hamlet s mother alive at the end of Hamlet? Kurt Sutter had always said Sons of Anarchy was based on Hamlet. Just sayin'..
American Horror Story: Freak Show started last week. I am recording to watch in the daylight, yes its that scary. Horrifying clown alert, scariest clown EVER is in this show. Jessica Lange sand Life on Mars first episode! Fabulous! Kathy Bates and Angela Bassett are going to have FUN with her again! Its really good, really twisted, and really scary.

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

Actually Milo you can air it out. They Che these wonderful things to park your cars in called garages and when you park it there you can open the windows and air it out overnight. We know that TFW has a huge garage so this shouldn't be a problem for her. AND how wet can your car get that you'd have to worry about mold? It's not like the BBB was sitting in the rain with all the windows open. Sheesh.

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Milo has a garage. She tweeted a picture of something or other (was it her kids, no faces of course) and they were standing next to her garage. Strange that she never thought about parking a car in there to "air it out."

Mold from a damp umbrella? Whatever she's smoking I don't want it.

When she tweets stupid things like that, I wonder if the other sheeple do an eye roll but wouldn't dare to comment about it because it goes against the flock's rules about never questioning their Chief Executive.

AuntieAnn said...

“It’s true. The eviction happened last week. He could no longer afford the rent. He has moved out and is already in a new place in the same neighborhood,” an insider told E!.

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I suppose this will create more buzz among the sheep than a mother who beats the hell out of her two-year-old because he can't 'handle his functions a tad better' within five days of potty training.

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

Now would be a great time for Kate to be the bigger person and lend some support to her ex, for the sake of those poor children if nothing else!"

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Here's the thing, if this is true. Jon would still be living in the 1.2 million dollar house, with money and no worries. He gave all of that up, knowing it would be tough for him, and he did it because he no longer wanted the kids filmed. Where did that get him? Unable to pay rent, denied access to that property, no place for his kids, and reportedly with no job. Had he continued to live with the shrew, acquiesced to her demands to film, dealt with her narcissism and control issues, he'd still be living free of rent or mortgage problems.

He gave up that lifestyle and the comfort of it all because he wanted his kids to have privacy. Where has it gotten him?

NJGal51 said...

Joy - Hamlet's mother died when she drank wine that was meant for Hamlet so we shall see how things go. Will Gemma sacrifice herself at some point for Jax?

I'm also recording Freak Show. that clown is the stuff nightmares are made of and I'm not afraid of clowns!

Call Me Crazy said...

AuntieAnn said... 85

Ah yes. You ask that question, thereby raising the possibility that they may not actually BE wet, only that we perceive they are wet because their delusional mother created an alternate reality to invoke the idea that rain has fallen upon her children and therefore we must believe they are wet...
________________________

Hahahahahahahaha! EXACTLY :)

She tweets; therefore, she is.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...


He gave up that lifestyle and the comfort of it all because he wanted his kids to have privacy. Where has it gotten him?

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A clear conscience knowing he doesn't exploit his children anymore?

In any case a lot in that article doesn't ring true. It usually takes a very long time to formally evict someone. It's not usually something that can just be wrapped up in a few months. Secondly the article claims that he has no space for the kids. He frequently is seen to take the kids out and about around town and not be at the house all the time so I don't know why that matters when you aren't at home with them anyway, and he has had a small place before and he and Kate both said the kids would just bring sleeping bags and camp out. They are still only 10, so having a sleepover shouldn't be that big of a deal to them.

The article also claims he has no place for "eight" children but it has been clear for awhile that he doesn't take all eight at once. He said himself he has date nights with the twins separately, and when we've seen photos this summer it's been with four or five kids at a time, not eight or even six. They probably all enjoy the break from each other and the chance to be a smaller family once in awhile. I have a one bedroom home and a small office that I guess you could say is a small second bedroom, and we've had a dozen people over here for gatherings without a problem. It's really not a big deal.

The devil is in the details and whoever made it up embellished the situation or whatever isn't paying close attention to the finer details someone who has been seriously following this would know.

Rainbirdie said...

AuntieAnn said... 85
Call Me Crazy said... 76

Oh, my. It's a new and intriguing philosophical thought question. If 8 Gosselins stand in the rain, and there is no one there to Tweet about it, do they still get wet? Utterly fascinating.

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Ah yes. You ask that question, thereby raising the possibility that they may not actually BE wet, only that we perceive they are wet because their delusional mother created an alternate reality to invoke the idea that rain has fallen upon her children and therefore we must believe they are wet.....
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Don't forget to factor in the 'No Photo = Didn't Happen' principle.

E said...

http://m.eonline.com/news/588739/jon-gosselin-evicted-from-his-home-he-has-nowhere-to-take-his-kids

Millicent said...

Fleecing asked:
He gave up that lifestyle and the comfort of it all because he wanted his kids to have privacy. Where has it gotten him?
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I believe it has gotten him free of one of the most miserable creatures I've ever seen, on tv or in person. Now if only those kids could get free of her. Believe me, I imagine if Jon were living in a cardboard box, he'd still be happier than living under the demanding capricious thumb of that woman he was once married to.

I believe he has done what was in his power to provide some privacy for his children. He doesn't tweet about them, blog about them, or anything. When he has children with him, it appears that they simply go about doing normal things. If nothing else, as Admin said, he can certainly have peace of mind knowing he is at least trying to do right by the kids.

Millicent said...

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack 3m3 minutes ago
@Kateplusmy8 I hate when U get N car w/wet umbrella/fold it back up & all the water soaks U anyway! Umbrellas have NOT improved w/time!
****
This is pretty hilarious. Here's how I solve the wet umbrella problem - newspaper. I place folded newspaper on the floor behind my seat. When I get to my car, I toss in my purse and any bags I'm carrying, then I quickly close my umbrella and toss it onto the newspaper. I then jump into the front seat. Yes, i get some rain on me - so what. When I get home, I open the umbrella and set it in the bathtub to dry. I toss out the damp newspaper. It's not rocket science.

Millicent said...

Rhymes said:

On a related note, I cannot understand why TLC is bothering anymore. Katie's "glory days" are long over.
*******
I have the feeling that TLC's glory days are over too. When is the last time they produced a show of any quality. They are bereft of new ideas. The people running the place have no original ideas of their own - so they just keep returning to their glory days, like sad dogs rooting around in the garbage.

Millicent said...

Thanks for all the kind comments about my car, and the recent loss of my friend. This is most definitely a community filled with very pleasant caring people. When I read and post here, I am constantly reminded that we are much more alike than different - even though we have different backgrounds, live in all parts of the country and even world, and have different philosophies. But in many very basic respects, we are often surprisingly similar :)

Admin said "Millicent, Yachats on the coast. It was beautiful!! "

Thank you! I will have to look it up and hopefully visit there myself :)

JMO said...

Tucker's Mom said... 38
"Jon didn’t understand the terms of the contract and broke the lease, thinking he could just rent the property after agreeing to the rent to own the contractual agreement,” a source tells Star. “Evidently, he didn’t understand the terms of the contract.”

The same Jon who bragged about people coming to him with reality tv contracts so he could "red line" them?
Come on! Jon has seen how many contracts by now?
If this is true, he needs a swift kick in the ass.

All these years later and he still has no stability.

SMDH (if it's true)

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I totally agree with you. Many have supported Jon as a good father, but his excuses are getting a bit old at this juncture, as he is not a young stupid man. Not saying anything else, but he needs to grow up. Still think TFW at helm is a nightmare but not excusing Jon, and his choices and he needs to "man up" and be an adult and make good choices, without ridiculous excuses.

JMO said...

Kate is a twit said... 79
Tucker's Mom said... 69
How long does it take 8 kids to pile into a van?
The weather today was forecasted, so once again, it appears Kate failed to prepare.
Why the heck wouldn't she have grabbed a golf umbrella and held it while the kids go in the van?
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She is sounding more ridiculous by the minute...not surprising. Either get a golf umbrella or put a pop up umbrella in each of their backpacks. It is astounding that she thinks this is something to tweet about. No anywhere near the end of the world. Desperate!!!!

NJGal51 said...

The funny thing is that none of the fans seem to be jumping on this latest story about Jon. With the exception of a some of retweets (Milo's being one of them) I haven't really seen it discussed at all. TFW's timeline has been exceptionally quiet. She needs to either buy some more bots or have a twitter party.

JMO said...

Kate has 8 count em 8 kids who are not allowed to get wet. She posts about this as no child, let alone 8 count em 8 kids should ever get wet, because she is too lazy to stand outside the van with an umbrella or give them their own fold up umbrellas. This is a national disaster. Warning - national disaster- Kate Gosselin needs help immediately!!!!!

localyocul said...

It was raining in the morning did the kids go without raincoats or umbrellas? How did they get to the school bus? Don't they have to line up to get on the bus? So many intriguing questions!

Formerly Duped said...

One positive thing I can find about Dance Moms is that the kids are very supportive of one another. Sadly the G kids do not show this solidarity. The girls on the show are friends outside of dance, and always congratulate each other, and actually are a #team.Right now, though, they are ot legally permitted to see Paige or her sister, and Paige and Chloe are BFFs.


That's about all the pluses...sad.

Tucker's Mom said...

She is sounding more ridiculous by the minute...not surprising. Either get a golf umbrella or put a pop up umbrella in each of their backpacks.
******
The thing is, if you're wearing a rain slicker, you don't even need an umbrella.
I love my "rubber ducky yellow" slicker!
Time and time again, Kate shows that she is far from the "planner" she claims to be (and plays on tv).

Tucker's Mom said...

NJGal51 said... 109
The funny thing is that none of the fans seem to be jumping on this latest story about Jon.
*******
It's interesting that these "insiders" seem to pop up consistently, telling of Jon's woes, yet nothing is ever confirmed.

JMO said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 100

He gave up that lifestyle and the comfort of it all because he wanted his kids to have privacy. Where has it gotten him?

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A clear conscience knowing he doesn't exploit his children anymore?
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Hi Admin - I totally agree with you on this issue.

BUT Jon does not seem to be able to establish a solid place for his kids to live. Or keep a steady job. Not trying to be argumentative, but he is a grown man, and still doesn't always seem to make the best choices.

TFW on the other hand will continue to use her kids to make money with filming, which I also do not think is in the best interest of the kids.

The 8 kids are left in a tenuous situation at best. In the best of situations, all 8 kids should be seeing him regularly, if that is the Court order.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

I have the feeling that TLC's glory days are over too. When is the last time they produced a show of any quality. They are bereft of new ideas. The people running the place have no original ideas of their own - so they just keep returning to their glory days, like sad dogs rooting around in the garbage.


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I completely agree with this. Even if Kate were not on the schedule I would agree with it. They are running shows that were on when I was in college for pity sake. They still can't get away from the tired formula of multiples, big families, or other "freak shows." They have nothing original to say in the series themselves. It's always trips or other scripted nonsense. They really need to go back to the drawing board and come up with something original. Nobody is going to watch the same thing forever.

localyocul said...

Tucker's Mom said... 113
She is sounding more ridiculous by the minute...not surprising. Either get a golf umbrella or put a pop up umbrella in each of their backpacks.
******
The thing is, if you're wearing a rain slicker, you don't even need an umbrella.

((((((

Yep. I hate umbrellas and always wear a raincoat with a hood in the rain. My pants may get wet but an umbrella doesn't always help anyway if the rain is coming down at a slant.

Formerly Duped said...

oh yes..I dreamed last night I was fostering/adopting the G kids!!! Ahhh! The boys were fine and excited to be allowed to make individual choices on things like clothing and food, but the girls were very uncooperative and refused to do chores! Wow. I never had a dream about them before. Luckily TFW was not in it or it would have been a real nightmare.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

BUT Jon does not seem to be able to establish a solid place for his kids to live. Or keep a steady job. Not trying to be argumentative, but he is a grown man, and still doesn't always seem to make the best choices.


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Not knowing if any of this is even true, I can't agree or disagree. Like I said, portions of the article ring untrue like this idea that he was evicted in a matter of a few months. It's not like you can just hand them a document and say here you're evicted. You have to go through extensive legal proceedings, often with lawyers and even judges, and most laws are structured to protect the tenant at all costs. It can take six, twelve, or even more months to evict someone legally. I think there are still people out there who want to paint him in the worst possible light because they feel this somehow makes Kate look better. Lots of parents work in restaurants and live in small apartments and nobody bats an eyelash about them being "bad" parents. They don't see the irony that Kate's "job" is hardly steady and that she would be in one bedroom apartments too if she would simply stop exploiting her children.

redbirdsings said...

Someone posted on one of the articles that Jon's landlord was a convicted 2 time killer. They suggested to google his name. So confusing.

http://lancasteronline.com/news/convicted-killer-of-dies-in-prison/article_3483abe8-72a6-559d-88f4-cd9ec6c00003.html

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Plus if it's windy as it often is when it's raining, an umbrella is useless. You have to fuss with it and risk it turning inside out.

A good rain slicker and a pair of wellies are all you need to survive anything but the worst of a Northeast rainstorm. I just don't understand why this would be a blip on the radar for someone who has lived in PA their whole life. They get rain, even heavy rain, all the time. I think all this is is a good example of her struggle to come up with and even understand what good blog fodder is. She doesn't know what it is, she doesn't know what's interesting or unusual. I bet you much more interesting things happen to them on a day to day basis she could write about, but she's not smart enough to recognize those moments. It's really sad.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

Redbird this is exactly what I mean. They are desperate to paint Jon in such a bad light whether what they say makes sense or not.

Apparently this broker whether he is or is not Jon's broker, shares the same name as a prisoner. This prisoner is at least three decades older than that young man. Oh, and the prisoner is dead now. This young man appears alive and well.

People share the same names all the time, even unfortunate names. Also keep in mind a German name like Stoltzfus would be as common as Smith in Pennsylvania. No Jon Gosselin is not working with a murderer. Geez.

Tucker's Mom said...

I have the feeling that TLC's glory days are over too. When is the last time they produced a show of any quality. They are bereft of new ideas. The people running the place have no original ideas of their own - so they just keep returning to their glory days, like sad dogs rooting around in the garbage.
*******
I so agree.
First, I think it has been and will be TLC's formula to use some talent from time to time for "specials"- little mini-seasons to catch up with the people that still have fans or generate attention.
Let's face it- attention is Kate's middle name, and she and her handlers have managed to make a silk purse from a sow's ear for many years now.
Moreover, the G kids are still technically kids, and they'll be fodder until they are no longer minors, and probably beyond.

Anonymous said...

Having taken a break for compelling reasons in my personal life, all resolved now, it strikes me how absolutely mediocre TFW continues to be. TLC is short a few screws if they think filming this biotch in late summer with la-di-da back to school and twinsie teen birthday will be of any interest when they show it in the holiday month of December. Of course it is infuriating to realize how much she continues to grift and how this TLC money allows her to continue to pretend she has a media career.

This recent gossip about Jon being evicted may be a rumor, but honestly if true it does illustrate how little prepared either of them were to financially support a family of 8 children. The twins alone would have been enough. Two people, neither with 4 year college degrees, in their twenties, might have pulled it off. Kate was never going to be a nurse forever, her goal was to marry and be supported. Jon was a drifter, and the IT job(s), also something he played with. I have no doubt that Dr. Gosselin was giving them quite a bit of financial support; his demise was a financial gamechanger for the DIL. Enter TLC.

This is not going away. You still have two grownups who, absent others paying for their lifestyle, have no grownup plan for raising their children. So these children will be forced to film, do interviews, anything that pays the large bills. Their father has no real career plan that will support them either. Good luck to them, nothing is going to change.

I will probably now go back to reading here occasionally because you all are a lot of fun. The Gosselins, as a topic of interest, has been drained for me. Oh maybe I still want to know who crazy Milo really is, but should the plug be pulled on Twitter, hoping they all fade, fade away.

OrangeCrusher1

localyocul said...

redbirdsings said... 119
Someone posted on one of the articles that Jon's landlord was a convicted 2 time killer. They suggested to google his name. So confusing.

http://lancasteronline.com/news/convicted-killer-of-dies-in-prison/article_3483abe8-72a6-559d-88f4-cd9ec6c00003.html

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Which article?

Tucker's Mom said...

The devil is in the details and whoever made it up embellished the situation or whatever isn't paying close attention to the finer details someone who has been seriously following this would know.
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Agree- it's preposterous to imply that Jon doesn't have the means to have visitation/custody time with his kids.
I'm not familiar with the law on many levels, including eviction, but if Jon is uprooting once again, and out of work once again, I'm sorry, it just doesn't comport with being a responsible adult.

I can give Jon lots of "get out of jail free" cards for finding it hard to find his rudder after the astronomical ride he's been on, but for whatever reason, all those millions that he and Kate made seem to have disappeared for him.
Not Kate.
The chasm in lifestyles (which I am assuming means is reflective of their individual monies/investments) is mind-boggling.
Jon was either supremely screwed over in the divorce, driven to poverty by TLC, or has been so capricious with his share of the money that he's practically a nomad.

I dunno.

Tucker's Mom said...

AuntieAnn said... 85

Ah yes. You ask that question, thereby raising the possibility that they may not actually BE wet, only that we perceive they are wet because their delusional mother created an alternate reality to invoke the idea that rain has fallen upon her children and therefore we must believe they are wet...
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Kate has 8, count 'em 8, Shrodinger's cats.

JMO said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 118
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Sorry if I misunderstood the agreement, but I understood it to be a rent to own. As Jon said on national TV that he was purchasing/had purchased a new property close to TFW's house. Which may have led many of us to believe, he purchased a property per his CT pay.
I am now confused why he is being evicted based on his prior statements.

JoyinVirginia said...

Millicent, your conclusion is so on target, tlc IS ” bereft of new ideas”.
Boring!
Even Survivor, my favorite reality competition show, continually changes things to keep the concept fresh and keep viewers and players surprised.
Meanwhile, what's not boring: actual children I know and/or am related to, dancing or playing a part in the school play or playing a musical instrument or just doing something cute or fun or interesting. Watching families take a vacation on tlc shows is just boring as all get out!

CarolMP said...

Jon was either supremely screwed over in the divorce, driven to poverty by TLC,
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I thought these two things have been established.

redbirdsings said...

To clarify, I went to the E! article and the poster who suggested googling Jon's landlord has been swiffered. Did a word find, couldn't find it. That's good.

Your right Admin, some will do anything to put that child/animal abuser in good light.

Blowing In The Wind said...

As Jon said on national TV that he was purchasing/had purchased a new property close to TFW's house

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I don't remember him saying that he "purchased" a new home. I thought he said he got a new place, or something like that. Where's our resident archivist? Of course, I could be wrong!

Always on Jons side! said...

I've managed rental properties for many years and have had to evict tenants. I've found that when they aren't paying their rent and I send an eviction notice they leave. Rarely do we even make it to court. I would hope that Jon would not be someone who would take advantage of his landlord that way!

Tucker's Mom said...

I think all this is is a good example of her struggle to come up with and even understand what good blog fodder is. She doesn't know what it is, she doesn't know what's interesting or unusual. I bet you much more interesting things happen to them on a day to day basis she could write about, but she's not smart enough to recognize those moments. It's really sad.
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Gifted writers and story tellers can leave us in wonder of the most mundane of human conditions. They can paint a picture with words and phrases in a way that makes the story come alive.

Kate decidedly does not have that gift.
She decidedly does not have a way with words. Sure, she can string sentences together, but she has never shown an ability to craft magnificent images or imbue real feeling and meaning into what she's trying to convey.
Metaphors and analogies escape her.

Adding "ish" to finish a word does not an adjective make.

Call Me Crazy said...

JoyinVirginia said... 128

Millicent, your conclusion is so on target, tlc IS ” bereft of new ideas”.
Boring! Even Survivor, my favorite reality competition show, continually changes things to keep the concept fresh and keep viewers and players surprised.
__________________________

Joy, did you happen to catch Survivor last night? It was a good one!

Tucker's Mom said...

You can't swing a long-tailed cat in that area of PA without knocking over a dozen Stoltzfuses!
It's like being a Murphy or a Kelly in Southie ;-)

Tucker's Mom said...

CarolMP said... 129
Jon was either supremely screwed over in the divorce, driven to poverty by TLC,
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I thought these two things have been established.
October 16, 2014 at 8:52 AM
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The exact terms of Jon's divorce are not known, but I believe how much TLC sued Jon for is.

Tucker's Mom said...

Rent to Own can mean that the renter has the option to buy after X amount of time, and so the deal isn't "sealed" until such time.

Jon might not be exercising his right to buy for whatever reason, and is backing out.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

I was just thinking of Grandee4. If you're still reading here,
hope you're well!

Tucker's Mom said...

RIP Elizabeth Pena.
Wonderful actress- loved her and everyone in Tortilla Soup.

Millicent said...

JMO said:
BUT Jon does not seem to be able to establish a solid place for his kids to live. Or keep a steady job. Not trying to be argumentative, but he is a grown man, and still doesn't always seem to make the best choices.
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I agree that Jon does not have a strong resume. He does seem willing to look for and find various jobs, but none of them are long-lasting. I think he is probably a very pleasant person to be around, but he may not be the brightest bulb in the box, and maybe he's not much of a self-starter. (This last attribute would not be surprising to me. I am sure that Kate chose him in part because he is a follower, not a leader. She would pick someone who was easy to direct, not someone who had many of his own ideas or initiative.)

He also doesn't have a lot of education. He did some IT work way back when the show was first on the air. But if he hasn't kept up with current advances, he's not going to get the good jobs. Furthermore, there just aren't a lot of good jobs out there, especially for someone with a rather spotted track record. I don't know how the economy is in PA, but I am well aware that the economy is not booming along where I live. Those who have jobs are usually glad to have them, and those who are seeking are finding they have a lot of competition out there.

Whatever the reasons, I certainly wish Jon well and hope he can find a job that suits his personality. I think one of the better jobs for him would probably be ski instructor, which doesn't pay much and is seasonal. He just isn't a high-powered go-getter. Neither am I, but I found a career that suits my personality and my natural talents. I like linear work - you start at Point A, then you follow a series of steps to arrive at Point Z. I like doing research, reviewing documents and putting together an analysis of the info in front of me. I like working independently, so I've always done better in a smaller office environment with bosses that trust my work and leave me to do it. I could have earned more in a corporate environment but I would have been much less content.

Ultimately, I think Jon would do best in a relationship with a strong woman who could help guide him and give him focus. I.E., someone like Kate, but not a tyrant. A kinder, more human version of Kate lol.

JoyinVirginia said...

Call Me Crazy, YES! I watched Survivor last night and LOVED it! Of course at the beginning of the episode when Mr Master Mind was bragging about himself, I told dh that eventually his words would come back to bite him. Perfect schadenfreude! And dh reminded me that Jeff Probst and Mark Burnett both despise players who throw a competition. Not only is Mr Master Mind off the show, he WILL be ignored at the reunion show. Or insulted. I'm good with either one.

Tucker's Mom said...

Ultimately, I think Jon would do best in a relationship with a strong woman who could help guide him and give him focus. I.E., someone like Kate, but not a tyrant. A kinder, more human version of Kate lol.
October 16, 2014 at 10:54 AM
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Sooooooooooooo, like Kate, but with a soul? Like Kate, after her heart grew three sizes one day? Like a frog, after being kissed? Like Miranda Priestly after she unhinged her jaw and let Andie escape? Like Severus Snape after he was mortally wounded?

OK, I'll stop...

Call Me Crazy said...

SURVIVOR SPOILER ALERT (for anyone who didn't see it last night)

JoyinVirginia - HaHa! "Mr Master Mind" sure got what he deserved! What a doofus!! It was really satisfying to see him get blindsided so spectacularly! Has he never watched the show before? You NEVER throw a challenge. It always comes back to bite you in the butt somehow. If he had half as much brain as he does self-love, he could have done very well in the game. Good riddance to bad rubbish!

Rhymes with Witch said...

Kate has 8, count 'em 8, Shrodinger's cats.
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Ha, ha. That's the most interesting thing I've read about Kate in forever;

FlimsyFlamsy said...

A "human Kate" - isn't that an oxymoron, like "kosher bacon?"

JMO said...

Seriously, the kids have been going to school for years in a van. Why is she just now worrying about this??

Guessing it is time to turn in her free "leased" van and she does not want to pay for any damages. Didn't she let the kids take ice balls in the van after the hail storm? Nutty at best.

NJGal51 said...

@Kateplusmy8: ZORRO going for a ride....
#BikerBird pic.twitter.com/5bYz1fjm8C
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I guess twitter has been too quiet. She didn't get much response to her tweet about Mady so she's tweeting a picture of Zorro. She's so predictable.

PA Dutch Mom said...

People share the same names all the time, even unfortunate names. Also keep in mind a German name like Stoltzfus would be as common as Smith in Pennsylvania. No Jon Gosselin is not working with a murderer. Geez.

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LOL!! And Kreider is as common as Jones!

What has always amazed me is how the postal service here manages to get the mail to the correct recipients. Stoltzfus, Beiler, Lapp, King, are all common Amish names, and many times they all live on the same rural road, with only a Rural Route 2 address and no street number. I remember reading somewhere that the regular carriers know where to deliver most of the mail because they know who gets their products from which companies and they look on the return addresses to see who is sending the mail. Over time, they memorize these things!

PA Dutch Mom said...

Seriously, the kids have been going to school for years in a van. Why is she just now worrying about this??

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This is the first year we've had any rain. :-)

AuntieAnn said...

Guessing it is time to turn in her free "leased" van and she does not want to pay for any damages. Didn't she let the kids take ice balls in the van after the hail storm? Nutty at best.

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They got the first BBB because Bobbi and Ken McCaughey were given a free one when their septuplets were born and Kate was replicating that family as much as she could. It must have driven her crazy to have use their own money (or so she said) on that thing. I imagine it was purchased with Jon's inheritance money so how very big of TFW to 'give' it back to him now. It WAS his in the first place.

I can understand the convenience of a Sprinter when kids are tiny tots because you have to stand their and buckle them into their carseats and what not, but I highly doubt they need that circus van any longer. She could easily fit everyone into a regular, less expensive nine-seater one now. (and Steve can ride on the roof)

But God forbid, that would be far too mediocre-ish for her.

PA Dutch Mom said...

Kate posted a picture of Zorro on a bike. That bird needs to have its nails clipped...now, or it's going to have perching problems. I trim our bird's nails on a regular basis. If she can't do it, I could recommend a good avian vet in the area who will do it for her. It probably never even occurred to her that this needs to be done. She's too busy staging a photo of him landing in a cake.

rainbowsandunicorns said...

"I guess twitter has been too quiet. She didn't get much response to her tweet about Mady so she's tweeting a picture of Zorro. She's so predictable."

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Yep. When all else fails, drag out Zorro and put him on display. No privacy for anyone in that family.

Tucker's Mom said...

@Kateplusmy8: ZORRO going for a ride....
#BikerBird pic.twitter.com/5bYz1fjm8C
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Yawn.
When Zorro can ride a bicycle on a tight rope, let us know.

Rhymes with Witch said...

Kate posted a picture of Zorro on a bike.

Based on her tweet I thought he was in the van withe the kids.

That bird needs to have its nails clipped...now, or it's going to have perching problems.

I doubt that it has occurred to her. I hope she has the groomer clip Shoka's nails.

Roo gets hers done periodically at doggie day care, which also offers a grooming menu. I did used to.do my cat's.

Tucker's Mom said...

Dang, Zorro has talons.
Doesn't that affect the bird's ability to walk?
(not that they do that a lot, but)

Peg said...

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/jon-gosselin-evicted-from-his-home-nowhere-to-put-kids-20141610

Rhymes with Witch said...

A lot of folks here predicted at least one negative story about Jon coming soon.
True or not, he should be allowed his privacy. I sense the iron fist of Katie Irene.

Tucker's Mom said...

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/jon-gosselin-evicted-from-his-home-nowhere-to-put-kids-20141610
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This story has a ring of truth to it. My BS meter isn't going off.

Jon's lost the lease on his house.
Jon's not managed his money and is broke again.
He and Liz broke up- she's moved out.
He can see the kids but doesn't have anywhere to "put" them.

For this last allegation, I really wonder if Jon has to provide adequate living quarters for the kids when he has them.
A one or two bedroom apt. would leave most kids on the floor, and maybe he's been told that isn't proper housing.

This is sad.

Craziness said...

"I have the feeling that TLC's glory days are over too." So are A&E's, they pulled the plug on Longmire, one of their top-rated shows! The show is trying to find a new home and people are fuming. I'm not sure what that network is doing anymore.

T said...

Whose hand is that in the picture that Kate posted of Zorro on the bike. It sure isn't Kate's, there's not an artificial nail in sight.

Peg said...

This comment from US magazine is funny Kate's kids made most of the money she lives off...... mary TBD5454 • 4 minutes ago
Well said TBD5454, love her or hate her, she has taken care of those children from day one, and done it any way she could. No one else was going to step up to the plate, so she has done what she had to, without asking anyone else to do it, including the government. I give her credit.

Rhymes with Witch said...

Paper Plates, it took me a while but I've decided to weigh in. My marriage was much shorter and seriously abusive. It was me who left. The point I want to make though, even after living in fear that he,'d find me for months, I.had am unexpected reaction to divorce court. I grieved - for the loss of the promises, the failure of the marriage, the man I thought he was. In short, I hurt. The advice you've been given here is excellent. I did move on.
However, my "AHA" moment came some years later when I was reading "The Women's Room" by Marilyn French.

For the record, I did not swear off men forever or anything like that. I lost the love of my life of 26 years last March.
This I have not recovered from.

Sleepless In Seattle said...

Dang, Zorro has talons.
Doesn't that affect the bird's ability to walk?
(not that they do that a lot, but)

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Yes. and its ability to climb and perch. I once had a neglected rescue whose nails were so long they grew in a curve, under his feet and embedded themselves in his feet. That poor bird was trying to walk on its nails. I took him to the vet for surgical removal of the embedded nails and after he recuperated he was the happiest parrot you ever saw .It was like a whole new life had opened up for him! He was adopted by a loving family, and the last I heard, every day he greets his new family with, "Good morning, sunshine!"

It appears Kate is totally clueless when it comes to the care of a parrot. That bird is all for show. Kate, clip those nails or have a vet do it for you.

Sleepless In Seattle said...

"The former TLC reality star patriarch last appeared on VH1's Couples Therapy with his now ex-girlfriend of two years, Liz Jannetta. "He and his girlfriend broke up a month or two ago," the insider tells Us. "She moved."

So Liz is history?

Rhymes with Witch said...

That bird is all for show. Kate, clip those nails or have a vet do it for you. 164

EVERYTHING she tweets is all for show.
She's really quite pathetic.

Tucker's Mom said...

Craziness said... 160
"I have the feeling that TLC's glory days are over too." So are A&E's, they pulled the plug on Longmire, one of their top-rated shows! The show is trying to find a new home and people are fuming. I'm not sure what that network is doing anymore.
October 16, 2014 at 3:48 PM
*******
Love Longmire!
I hope it comes back.
Walt + Vic forever ;-)

AuntieAnn said...

It appears Kate is totally clueless when it comes to the care of a parrot. That bird is all for show. Kate, clip those nails or have a vet do it for you.

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She's clueless about raising kids too. I think Admin said years ago she wouldn't leave that woman alone to take care of a cactus. I couldn't agree more.

Rhymes, I am very sorry to hear of your loss. My belated condolences.

redbirdsings said...

From US magazine.

The former TLC reality star patriarch last appeared on VH1's Couples Therapy with his now ex-girlfriend of two years, Liz Jannetta. "He and his girlfriend broke up a month or two ago," the insider tells Us. "She moved.

Hang in there Jon!!!

AuntieAnn said...

So Liz is history?

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Is she? hmmm. None of my business what happened if they split up but if they did, maybe Jon should lay off the women for awhile. pun not intended. I think he sometimes thinks more with his 'little' brain rather than his big brain, if you know what I mean. That's probably how Kate snagged him. He should take Dmasy's advice and take time to learn his own value before he involves himself with the next one.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

It still doesn't ring true to me. The Liz broke up with him story was floating around for at least a year then she shows up in pap photos with him. Courts aren't supposed to discriminate against a parent because of housing. Even if six kids are crammed into one bedroom, it's not supposed to be an issue for the court. Even if a parent is homeless. In CA we have it written right into our law about homelessness. Agree or not, the courts are not supposed to be overly concerned with housing and space when it comes to a parent, as long as it is safe and the children have a roof over their heads. And I also agree with Rhymes that this is definitely getting into the territory of not the public's business, especially when he has been so diligent about keeping his kids and their business out of the public eye. True or not, this is embarrassing for the children and undeserved. He has asked that they be left alone and that should be respected.

Sleepless In Seattle said...

True or not, this is embarrassing for the children and undeserved. He has asked that they be left alone and that should be respected.

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Yes, absolutely, especially when their classmates get wind of this and say, "Hey, your dad is homeless."

Geez...they don't need that.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

I do agree Jon needs a woman as described. Strong, etc.

However, I think any good woman for Jon would, wisely, avoid such a situation. That includes eight kids and an ex wife from hell and a celebrity. It's just not something a good woman would want to get involved with.

He got dealt, or dealt himself, a shit hand. This is the consequence. I'm sorry about the situation but I'm not quite sure what can be done.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...


Yes, absolutely, especially when their classmates get wind of this and say, "Hey, your dad is homeless."

Geez...they don't need that.

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Geez is right. And there's always two sides to every story. Maybe it was a mutual parting of the ways, or maybe it's not true in the first place or partially true or whatever. Who even knows, and he's not saying anything and hasn't said anything. The vast majority of the time whoever is leaking these things sets the agenda and Jon doesn't respond. Except when you don't respond we have no clue what the other side of the story is and neither will the kids' friends.

Craziness said...

Jon might have a lot of negatives but he still has one over TFW - the ability to maintain a long-term relationship. I think his one with Ellen was about two years as well? Something along those lines...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...


To clarify, I went to the E! article and the poster who suggested googling Jon's landlord has been swiffered. Did a word find, couldn't find it. That's good.

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Yes that is good. This is not Jon or Kate, this is a private person, an innocent landlord. And someone thought it was a wise idea to suggest he is a two-time murderer?? They never think in their quest to build up Kate and paint Jon in a terrible light.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Did someone say Gladys tweeted the eviction news to TFW? Just
one more way she's outing herself as not giving a hoot about those
children. This is their dad -- doesn't she think it might cause them
pain if their father is suffering in some way? Why would she tweet
the news to TFW -- so they can have a virtual high-five about what
an effed-up loser he is? And this "good Christian" behavior how?

PatK said...

Peg said... 162
This comment from US magazine is funny Kate's kids made most of the money she lives off...... mary TBD5454 • 4 minutes ago
Well said TBD5454, love her or hate her, she has taken care of those children from day one, and done it any way she could. No one else was going to step up to the plate, so she has done what she had to, without asking anyone else to do it, including the government. I give her credit.

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The person making that comment needs to get his/her head out of the sand.

localyocul said...

FlimsyFlamsy said... 177
Did someone say Gladys tweeted the eviction news to TFW? Just
one more way she's outing herself as not giving a hoot about those
children. This is their dad -- doesn't she think it might cause them
pain if their father is suffering in some way? Why would she tweet
the news to TFW -- so they can have a virtual high-five about what
an effed-up loser he is? And this "good Christian" behavior how?

((((

When my dd was ten here dad lost his job, was losing his house, and would inappropriately talk to her about his situation. She was stressed out beyond belief. He told her he would be homeless. She would come home and cry. I finally told her he was not going to be homeless, he would sleep on our couch if need be. I feel for the 8.

localyocul said...

That zigwitch retweeted a tweet from Goody dated 9/25:

MsGoody2Shoes21 @msgoody2shoes21 · Sep 25
@Denaa_O I don't know why Jon Gosselin is in West Chester, but word on street is Jon goes to college bars bcuz he likes his women young.

That tweet was in response to this:

Denaa.Oh ‏@Denaa_O Sep 25
1- why is Jon Gosselin in West Chester and 2-Why is he at the bars with college kids

localyocul said...

T said... 161
Whose hand is that in the picture that Kate posted of Zorro on the bike. It sure isn't Kate's, there's not an artificial nail in sight.

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I thought the same thing! Zorro has long nails but Kate's, if that's her, are clipped!

localyocul said...

Rhymes with Witch said... 163
Paper Plates, it took me a while but I've decided to weigh in. My marriage was much shorter and seriously abusive. It was me who left. The point I want to make though, even after living in fear that he,'d find me for months, I.had am unexpected reaction to divorce court. I grieved - for the loss of the promises, the failure of the marriage, the man I thought he was.

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Paper Plates, so sorry. I also was abused, though mentally/emotionally. I was only married for 5 years but like Rhymes, I grieved for what I thought I was going to have. I thought I would spend my life with this man, I thought he was someone he was not. Emotional abusers often don't show their true colors til they get married...anyway, after the grieving I just enjoyed living with my toddler and not being yelled at, put-down, etc. I never did date and now my dd is almost 18 and well, I'm thinking about it. I don't know your situation but just give yourself time. Things will get better.

localyocul said...

I hope he did break up with Liz. They seemed toxic and she was mean on CT.. She was like TFW with foul language.

Over In TFW's County said...

MsGoody2Shoes21 @msgoody2shoes21 · Sep 25
@Denaa_O I don't know why Jon Gosselin is in West Chester, but word on street is Jon goes to college bars bcuz he likes his women young.

What street would that be? Neither Zig nor Goody lives in PA. I doubt if either one of them even knows where West Chester is.

Localyocul said...

Over In TFW's County said... 184
MsGoody2Shoes21 @msgoody2shoes21 · Sep 25
@Denaa_O I don't know why Jon Gosselin is in West Chester, but word on street is Jon goes to college bars bcuz he likes his women young.

What street would that be? Neither Zig nor Goody lives in PA. I doubt if either one of them even knows where West Chester is.

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I work in west chester. You come in high and leave gay. Seriously those are the two main streets High and Gay

Serendipity said...

Goody and the Zig need to be concerned about their own streets and not spread nasty rumors about Jon, when they knows absolutely nothing about his personal life, likes and dislikes.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

No one else was going to step up to the plate, so she has done what she had to, without asking anyone else to do it, including the government.

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Oh yeah noble Kate never asked the government and their nurses, or a cable network, to pay for these kids.

Oh wait, but she did.

Rhymes with Witch said...

Oh yeah noble Kate never asked the government and their nurses, or a cable network, to pay for these kids.

Oh wait, but she did 185

How in the name of anything did this woman gain sainthood? I truly do not get it.

P.s. Thanks Auntie.

Andrea said...

Kelly and the other Moms had two contracts. One with lifetime and one with ALDC. If they left the ALDC they would loose all titles they earned. If they left the show they would be used and owe lifetime lots of money for breaking a contract. The mothers and daughters are stuck unless something like a fight goes down. I hope Christy gets her daughter off the show for good. She has the body of a ballerina but I am afraid that she may quit dance after all that she has been through. I hope she can someday find joy in dancing again even if it's just in her house.

mamasan said...

re: Jon's education - MS Certification is not easy! damn tough & expensive. Computer field is ever changing. Jon was willing to take on menial jobs to live, while Kate lived & still does a privileged life.
Jon put a Great deal of money in trust for the "8" where he stated on TV Kate couldn't touch it. I rest my case. I am a Jon Fan.



Tucker's Mom said...

Andrea said... 189
Kelly and the other Moms had two contracts. One with lifetime and one with ALDC. If they left the ALDC they would loose all titles they earned. If they left the show they would be used and owe lifetime lots of money for breaking a contract.
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I don't get how the kids could lose all the titles they've earned?
Do all of the "titles" get handed down from ALM? Does she have proprietary ownership of all of these titles?
I imagine the competitions were bigger than intramural.

Still, who signs this stuff?????

localyocul said...

Serendipity said... 186
Goody and the Zig need be concerned about their own streets and not spread nasty rumors about Jon, when they knows absolutely nothing about his personal life, likes and dislikes.

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That Zig is a real witch. She is just now retweeting something from 9/25...she must have searched for Jon Gosselin tweets or something

Tucker's Mom said...

If you believe Kate never had government assistance, you've been living under a rock.
She had a nurse for an entire year, and demanded ANOTHER year, citing her toddler's "disabilities" because they couldn't dress or feed themselves.

At age 2.

Please, people, the good citizens of PA donated their hard-earned tax money to the Gosselins.

Tucker's Mom said...

Rhymes- my condolences to you, to.
It sounds as though you find your knight in shining armor, and were blessed to have him, although for too short of a time.
I hope you are managing to find happiness and meaning as you forge on.

Tucker's Mom said...

Localyocul said... 185
Over In TFW's County said... 184
MsGoody2Shoes21 @msgoody2shoes21 · Sep 25
@Denaa_O I don't know why Jon Gosselin is in West Chester, but word on street is Jon goes to college bars bcuz he likes his women young.

What street would that be? Neither Zig nor Goody lives in PA. I doubt if either one of them even knows where West Chester is.

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I work in west chester. You come in high and leave gay. Seriously those are the two main streets High and Gay
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West Chester is a nice location for Jon to choose.

It's a hamlet, college town and has more going than the deep woods where he lived with Liz.
Being single, he really shouldn't isolate himself, but should live in a vibrant locale.
It's great to be near so many places to take the kids, too.

It's the perfect middle place between the Gosselin compound and Philly, and near the Blue Route corridor, where lots of jobs are.

MikeB said...

The really pathetic thing about Jon's situation is TFW is certainly gloating to herself about how much better off she is than him. The reality is those kids made the money TFW if living off of. She has done nothing. She looks at it like it is her destiny to be rich and famous while anyone who crosses her will be taken down.

Ultimately Jon was hurt most by TLC's lawyers. They and TFW were looking out for the money train while Jon was trying to save his kids childhood. I guess this goes to prove no good deed goes unpunished. "For the love of money is the root of all evil". Truer words have never been spoken. Money used as a tool can do harm much easier than good.

I hope Jon gets his situation stable for the sake of the kids. They need to see a rock-solid adult figure who stands up for what is morally right instead of going for the easy dollar. Too bad TFW does everything she can to show the kids that being moral is not profitable.

Tucker's Mom said...

localyocul said... 183
I hope he did break up with Liz. They seemed toxic and she was mean on CT.. She was like TFW with foul language.
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I agree. That relationship was toxic.
I tried, I really did try to find positive things to take away from seeing Liz and Jon on CT, but it was hard.
I will say that I get the impression that Liz is a good mother and I bet she loved the Gosselin kids.
I just saw her kvell when Jon spoke about the kids.

That said, I don't think they were meant to be.
I think Jon saw a kindred soul with kids, who didn't want more and wouldn't pressure him to have more (just one more, dontcha know).

But I think it was an uphill battle and Jon seemed to want it to work, but he was trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.

My hope for Jon is that he stays good and single for a while and doesn't invite any unnecessary distractions into his life so he can focus on forging a real career path.

That, and that he never lives with another woman and her kids unless and until he is married.

Tucker's Mom said...

When my dd was ten here dad lost his job, was losing his house, and would inappropriately talk to her about his situation. She was stressed out beyond belief. He told her he would be homeless. She would come home and cry. I finally told her he was not going to be homeless, he would sleep on our couch if need be. I feel for the 8.

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I do too.
The headlines, the scandals, their father getting sued and losing job after job not to mention all on the heels of an acrimonious and very public divorce of their parents. I can't imagine their worries and emotional burdens.

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...

When my dd was ten here dad lost his job, was losing his house, and would inappropriately talk to her about his situation. She was stressed out beyond belief. He told her he would be homeless. She would come home and cry. I finally told her he was not going to be homeless, he would sleep on our couch if need be. I feel for the 8.

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Oh goodness I can imagine a parent's housing situation can be extremely stressful and upsetting to a child. They know much more than we think, and their imaginations take them to places we don't always appreciate. Which is why I found this particular story more below board than many others. It's just one of those stories that kids would have a much tougher time processing emotionally, than all the other stories about boobs or girlfriends or drinking that would more easily roll off their backs.

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