Thursday, July 3, 2014

Recap: Kate Plus 8: Sextuplets Turn 10 part 2: I hate Kate!

I love sports. I love them for many reasons, and one of them is every so often something really good and pure and genuine happens. Something that shows us something so wonderfully human and tangible. It makes the occasional stupid scandal forgettable, we forget about the millions of dollars going back and forth that sometimes taint the purity of the game, and it reminds us that we need professional recreation in our lives. Especially international events like this. It makes our lives fuller in any case, and certainly more fun.

One of these great moments happened this week during the phenomenal USA-Belgium World Cup game. As you probably heard, we lost. But we lost playing our absolute hearts out, sweat and blood and spit flying everywhere until the final seconds, which makes any loss that hard-fought just plain honorable.

So, we pretty much lost because some Belgian who must be about 15 years old named Kevin De Buryne scored an impossible goal late in the game, threading it through about four different defenders straight into the corner pocket. Not too long afterward the same guy had an assist for their second death-knell goal that won it.



Kevin looks remarkably like Prince Harry too, so predictably that was the perfect storm to set Twitter ablaze.

People are saying Prince Harry looks like Kevin De Bruyne on the Belgium team. I disagree. I think Kevin De Bruyne looks like Prince Harry.
— Eric Stonestreet (@ericstonestreet) July 1, 2014


Times like this Twitter is tolerable.

Anyway, turns out Harry's Doppelgänger is not just a prince but also a stand-up guy. Late in the game in what I think was extra time or almost, when all the guys out there must have been absolutely dead, Harry had a fantastic steal away from American Jermaine Jones. But while trying to kick it away, Harry accidentally kicked it straight up into Jermaine's face, absolutely pummeling him across the head.

You know those old cartoons where they get hit by a sledge hammer and then all these stars float around their head? That was pretty much Jermaine's face. He kind of fell to the ground in a heap. Jermaine just broke his nose last week so you can imagine how that must have felt. Prince Harry's expression was utter shock and sympathy. Sort of an, "Ohhhh, man that's gotta hurt!!!"

Harry quickly jogged back over to Jermaine, looking at the refs and holding up his hand to indicate the game should stop. He then squatted down, tenderly placing his hands on Jermaine's chest, and then grasped his hand in his, waiting for help to arrive.



If you've seen a soccer field it's gigantic, and help does take a good 15 to 20 seconds to get there. That must feel like an eternity when you're seeing stars. I imagine it's not as bad though when royalty is with you, holding your hand. It was an awesome moment.

Anyway, I bring this up because this is more than just what true sportsmanship should be. It's just how human beings should behave in both competitions and in life. If someone is hurt or hurting or you hurt them, not only should things stop for them, but you should go comfort and help them. This makes the world spin round in a manner that creates order out of chaos and good times even in defeat.

Last week on Kate Plus 8 when Mady was injured at Play Days, instead of holding up her hand to stop and going over to help her, Kate just kept on pummeling her until Kate won. Belgian Prince Harry's simple act of kindness and sympathy just shows how deranged Kate's thinking is. Prince Harry is a normal, nice guy. Kate on the other hand is an abnormal, cruel woman. Kate's way does not teach any life lessons like she so smugly thinks. It does not make the world go 'round. Instead it derails it and makes everybody miserable. We should all be more like how Prince Harry was just now and less like that waste of space.

Coming up on Kate Plus 8. God is giving it His best effort to stop the Hobbling Harridan with plagues of hail, wind, velcro and birds. Well, unfortunately God failed and she's still around and tweeting. He should have gone for the locusts.

May, and it's yet another new look for Kate. Maybe that's what she meant by piecing and patching. Piece a trend from October 2012 here, patch another from January 2013 in here. This one is sort of a poor man's attempt at the super dark roots look that was trendy nine months ago. Only rag mags would try to convince us that ever looked good. As usual Kate can't pull it off. To me she always looks more like a two-bit hooker on the corner of Hollywood and Vine than she does Sarah Jessica Parker. I get it. I always look like it's Halloween whenever I try anything trendy or outside the box but at least I know my own limitations and just stick mostly to Sketchers, leggings and bangs.

There's a photo of Shoka featured prominently in the background, just so we remember Shmoopy never really abused him. Oh, okay.

Credits. It's 5:45 and Shmoopy's up already and messing around with something or other in the kitchen. Are they on the first breakfast or the second? I don't care, because I'm too distracted by the clip boards attached to the back of some of the children's chairs like Doogie Howser is going to walk in at any moment and start analyzing your urine sample results. 

Two questions immediately spring to mind. What the heck is on those clip boards and why are they on only some of the children's chairs? It's so flipping weird, but not much surprises me anymore about the level of psychosis in this household.

Hey, remember the awesome computer diary Doogie would type in at the end of every episode? I bet he never was careless enough to throw out those discs. He's smart.



Good gracious we certainly typed slowly in 1991, were we really that bad?

Because the internet is awesome and amazing, somebody actually collected every single diary entry from the show and put it in blog form, complete with the correct dates and everything. It includes forgotten gems like this one: "They say beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Maybe if we all spent a little less time beholding -- We'd be a lot happier." F-- yeah, now that is a platitude worth repeating!

doogiehowsermd.blogspot.com

Thank you, good sir or madam. Bookmarked it!

Kate gets up every single day of her life at 5:45 a.m. Not to be nit picky but she's said many times on Twitter, even as recently as a few days ago, that they sleep in to ungodly late hours when they don't have school, so I don't think that's true. But fine, what's another lie.

They spend an untoward amount of time telling us what time they get up and how the morning routine goes. The thing I fear for these kids is that they may think any of this is even remotely interesting and grow big heads. This is not interesting. They are, bless their hearts, not interesting. At all. Not even the time they get up in the morning is interesting. I'm a big fan of children understanding they are not special. The adult world is easier on people who understand they're not special. Sorry, Mr. Rogers, but it's true.



I'm partial to this guy's high school commencement speech in which he said the opposite. You, little Johnny and Suzy, hate to say it, are not special whatsoever. Now good luck to you. It went viral because it was a great message.

They text each other in the house, which I think is preferably to screaming and shouting frankly, which they also do. Kate wants an intercom system. She should get one. The house I worked in had that and I have to say it was the nicest feature about it. Instead of screaming, shouting, or wasting time searching for various kids, I'd just pick up the phone, hold five I think, and say "monkeys, come to the kitchen Admin has dinner ready." And there they'd come even if they were downstairs or outside. It makes for a more peaceful house all around.

The kids seem to like the breakfasts she makes and they talk about how healthy the food is. I don't think white bread, eggs and cheese every day is the healthiest. I think their mother is hopelessly ignorant, not healthy. The kids are still brushing their teeth in the kitchen while Kate looks on? That seems like it may have more to do with control than anything.

Oops, Kate says they've been doing this so long it runs like clockwork. They can get ready for school in 50 minutes. Well, I have to say that is very impressive. Good for them. I think it takes a normal sized family about 50 minutes if not longer. But then doesn't that prove the point things are not as hard as she makes them out to be? Seems like the kids, who despite some of their issues are overall pretty decent kids who usually aim to please, are pretty much keeping this train on the tracks with little effort from Kate anymore. So does she have it hard and is this just so difficult, or does the U.S.S. Gosselin keep a tight orderly ship that practically runs itself? I would hope the latter by now. Heh.

The producer asks the boys what does Kate do while they're at school.

Oh, okay, so he was wondering too. I'm interested in this. I've been scratching by head over this for years.

"Work," Joel says. He's been reading the script I see. Work where and doing what exactly? I ask. Ha, Joel adds that sometimes she goes back to sleep. Well yeah I figured that much, Shmoops. How nice she found some job where you can punch in and then go back to sleep. She runs errands, says Collin. Um, errands are not work. You cannot classify as "work" what everybody else has to do too whether you have a real job or not. It is rather called, "things everybody else has to do too whether you have a real job or not."

Nah, Kate's not really running as much as she used to (she must mean since Coupon Cabin stopped paying for it) because well you see, she broke her foot.

Let me stop you right there. Toe, toe, toe, toe!!! according to the children. Can I just say it's amusing how God damned stubborn she is? Even when all the kids have explained she certainly did not break her foot, she still won't let up on that story. It's remarkable.

What? Wait, she "broke" her "foot" when the perpetually coming soon "cookbook" came out and wasn't that like in September? This is May, some nine months later.

Kate also doesn't have time to run anymore anyway. That's understandable with all the "work" she does while they're at school.

Yawn, Kate likes to do everything over the top. Yawn, Kate buys paper plates. Oh this must be at Michaels where one of the shoppers there was annoyed she and the crew were blocking the aisles. Heh, I love how much most of the locals can't stand her or this mess. Poor Shmoopy's pulled in all different directions by these damn kids and some days just wishes she could throw in the towel. Being a single mom is so tough. Oh well, shouldn't have had eight kids then divorced their father and estranged all your family and friends. Shoulda bought that cactus instead.

She never meant to portray herself as super woman. Oh, that's why she joined all those smug Mommy bloggers at The Stir. So we are reassured she actually is just like any other mommy, the truth is, sniff, sometimes she cries behind closed doors.

I like when she says shit that makes her look unstable.

When she feels overwhelmed she reminds herself it's okay to mess up the important thing is you not give up. Throw that on a poster. Now imagine doing all this with a real job.

Commercials. I heart me some Blake Shelton but sadly the Pizza Hut near me closed and was replaced by a pretentious looking Jamba Juice. If you can't even make a go of a Pizza Hut and end up getting replaced by juice you might want to get out of the restaurant business.

We're back. I still think it's funny they were so cheap with the credits and little intros that they couldn't even get one updated photo of the family. Literally the Kate Plus 8 family photo has to be three years old. Mady and Cara are half the size they are now. It's tacky looking because it's so cheap.

Kate takes the kids to the mall to pick out new outfits for their party. As usual Mady and Cara are dragged along but they make it clear they were not permitted to buy anything and were bored out of their minds as am I. I still don't understand why at their ages they can't stay at home for a few hours while Kate does this nonsense with the younger kids. They seem well old enough to me.

I don't like this discussion about the younger kids and their boyfriends and girlfriends, I think these questions are embarrassing most of them, so I'm skipping this part.

Because when she's miserable she has to make everybody else miserable too, Mady tells the kids anything they've picked out is ugly.  I'm very sorry the kid is obviously struggling with many things right now and I don't see how filming is going to help anything.

The next day, and I feel like they're explaining every little mundane thing in every little mundane detail. It's not a home improvement show. It's really getting tortuous. The bottom line is, Marie Antoinette here is going to bake a cake.

Kate's off to the bus stop while the cake cools. She needs to be out the door in "32 seconds." For the longest time I thought her odd times (like awake at 6:02 a.m.) were done just to be cute or funny. Now I think in her rigid mind it actually is 32 seconds to her just like it was 246 toothpicks and four left in the box to Rain Man. Maybe for work she could be a timekeeper of some sort. Maybe working for the railroad as a dynamite detonator. I like Westerns.

Suddenly a huge hail storm rolls in. Sort of. It wasn't exactly anywhere near her house but it did hit the bus stop. Okay those are scary. We got those maybe once every couple years back East and they actually are quite dangerous when it's happening, if you are out in it. If you're inside, using your brain and staying put it'll be fine. A really bad one like this may only happen once every ten years. They can also really dent your car or cause other damage. Kind of funny they use footage of the storm from The Reading Eagle since that newspaper absolutely hates Kate Gosselin and her ten years of scams. Heh.

I don't like parents who freak their kids out. We should not pass our fears down to our children. Kate is at the bus stop clapping at the kids to come on, it's dangerous. Well, the storm is over now and it's sunny, so I don't quite get that. They have plenty of time to get to safety should it start up again. She hurries them into the van in an absolute panic. The problem with this attitude is that in the span of 30 seconds you may have just made your child afraid of hailstorms for decades to come, and unable to handle them rationally and reasonably. It's okay to have a healthy fear of danger but it's not okay to deal with that fear by panicking. The sad thing is I think she thinks behaving this way makes her look like a caring and protective mother. Sigh.

They head to the pet store to get some beta fish for the party. Hm, I don't see anybody asking the parents of their guests if sending them home with a live animal is okay. You can't have a carnival without winning fish, Kate explains.  Gaa, these people. I suppose these are the same people that can't have a circus without abused animals, or Sea World without orcas who live in a small swimming pool as their life until they finally snap and eat their trainer. The tide is changing in remarkable ways, and these people should know they will be left behind. It's happening.

"This is starting to feel real," Kate says dramatically. The... party? Good grief you would think she is talking about having her firstborn child or earning her PhD without the D. It's just a stupid birthday party that was pretty much catered for them anyways.

Commercials. The most random people are able to get reality shows. Leah Remini, really? I mean I like her just fine but not enough to care what she does on a day to day basis.

We're back, and Kate is whipping up some frosting that has 2,000 pounds of butter. Well, then she could say it has a ton of butter and actually not be exaggerating. The layered cake looks good actually.  It's moist and has a good color, although someone on the blog here pointed out it didn't really rise. True. Here we go with yet another long, mundane explanation. I'll skip this.

Zorro, who apparently is quite a fine method actor, creeps slowly toward the cake. Yes, he's out of his cage and supposed to be perched on some little tree thing on the counter.

"Stay!" Kate commands. I don't know if birds respond to things like "stay." Uh, maybe she should put him in his cage?

Finally his big moment to show his chops, er, rather beak, is here and he flies into the cake and takes a bite.

Kate is shocked that this happened. Shocked I tell ya. Lol. You place your bird two feet away from the cake. He is eyeing the cake like he really wants it. He is even walking toward the cake. And you're shocked that this happened. She's not exactly the best at reading body language now is she?

You know, he only got a tiny piece of it. I probably would have cut that piece out and figured out a way to replace it with frosting somehow and not say anything. But because Kate is 12 and can't handle anything more complicated than a shoebox, she cries and bemoans how she can't serve it now and the party could be ruined and what will she do about the cake?

Brilliant screen writing here and Zorro hit all his marks.

For someone doing it 99% alone, there sure are a heck of a lot of workers around doing various things for the party. The tent people show up and could you put it a little to the left, now a little to the right, now do the hokey pokey and turn yourself around, perfect. 

The "surprise" for the kids is here. It came on a flatbed truck and Kate shuts it away in the barn. Based on that information I can't rule out that it could still be a Jonas brother. This is Kate we're talking about after all.

Kate's friends all live out of state, which is both funny and odd. Jamie flew in for the weekend to help out. Good ole Jamie, I remember her and Ashley and how much Kate pissed them off on the Yellowstone trip. It just so happened Jamie's kids would be away that weekend. With their father whom we're told they live with? Just saying. I always found it ironic that for all the hate and judgment toward Jon, none of Kate's fans judge Jamie or ask why her children don't live with her full time either. I have no idea what Jamie's situation is but there are dozens of reasons that custody might not be balanced that have nothing to do with whether one is a good or bad parent. Because I have no hate in my heart I've always given Jamie the benefit of the doubt on that. I just like the hypocrisy.

Jamie understands Kate. I'm glad somebody does. They are sooo similar, says Kate. Why, they even got divorced in the same year, "ironically." Hey, Alanis, that's not ironic, that's just a coincidence or perhaps even poor misfortune.

Nothing that happened on or off camera has affected this sisterhood of the traveling pants. And that's the sign of a true friend, says Kate. No Kate, that's the sign of a true enabler who I guess doesn't have the self-esteem to insist she be treated with kindness and respect by her so-called BFF.

God tries again with a freak wind storm, interrupting the family as they are trying to paint signs for the carnival. Just to drive the point home, God blows the papers straight into the heated pool. Lol, God.

"Can somebody shut the pool gate at least!" Kate screeches.

You shut it, bitch. You're the closest. She finally does.

What's funny is in the midst of all this you see what looks like a cameraman and a producer running away from all this and not helping. Not that the Jane Goodalls of reality T.V. should be interfering with what's going on, but it's hysterical the way Kate is screeching for help and production just runs away.

You know what's awesome about this? The kids love it. They fish the papers out of the pool, and Alexis blurts how funny it was, like a word scramble. Kate of course is beside herself. God owes me a perfect day tomorrow, Kate says to God as she points at the sky. So she really does have a direct line to Him like her letters to Jesus in her book. I wonder how one gets chosen for that.



I like kids and I hate adults. Adults who act like this anyway. The kids will remember this forever and get a chuckle out of it forever. Lighten the F up.

It's getting late and everyone is inside now. Kate is still pacing and strung out. The kids are fine, laughing and playing with their iPads. Why is it always the girls who are playing with the iPads and the boys watching, may I ask? Is that an iPad mini in addition to their regular gadgets? Sheesh.

They eat the cake that Colin Firth over there jumped on/the producer threw him on. Kate has to trust the party will come together tomorrow but she doesn't really think it will. Well, that's kind of rude to the catering company who did it all. I'm sure they know full well what they're doing.

Thirty-six long minutes in and it's finally time for the party at last.

"One person, too much to do," Kate says. She's just such a tool. Not to even mention the catering company there is proof did it all, what about Jamie (and as you will see Deanna) who flew in, the twins and their friends who did help seemingly for free as far as I can tell, and the birthday kids themselves? They all helped a ton! Like 2,000 pounds of butter a ton. Wtf, I don't understand her and why she always has to marginalize anybody else who busts their butt for her.

At the last minute Kate is able to get a carnival cake that looks like a big top. It's cute. It was probably ordered three weeks ago by production.

What is with this episode? Now we're spending what feels like ages watching them stuff the pinatas. This really has gotten to be just like watching old boring home movies. I can't believe anyone in their right mind thinks this should be a weekly series. With the exception of Zorro's great escape and the water boarding she did to the poor thing afterward, there is nothing remotely resembling an interesting plot here. They got nothing.

There's literally people everywhere helping out. People setting up the various stands, Mady and Cara's friends helping out, other unidentified adults doing things. I swear to god for about ten seconds I thought that blond chick with the shower wet hair and pink shorts was the new nanny. Then she spoke and I realized it's Shmoopy herself! She's so skinny. Who is she? What is she?

Kate and Jamie are setting up something or other with a staple gun and Kate is out of staples and doesn't know how to change them. For someone who does it 99% herself she sure is helpless. What did she do when she was out of staples before and she was doing it 99% herself? Maybe just stand there and hold it together with her fingers until the 1% gets there?

I don't understand the point of a party if you're going to be running ragged and stressed out beyond belief the whole time, but that's just me.

I love the two second clip of Kate giving orders to the twins' friends. Their body language is so 13. The in one ear out the other look, sure Kate yep no worries, got it. And then they're off to talk about boys and lipgloss.

"Once I mentally envision something, I just have to make it happen," Kate says, gesticulating so we see her nails.

Actually she says it more like this, "Once I mentally envision something, I just have to make it happen???"

I imagine around about 2003 that's exactly what went down???

The kids are on the couch playing with the clapperboard, shouting various things. It's kind of annoying, no offense, though it's not their fault. Obviously the producers made them do this and some of the kids, like Joel, don't look like they think this is that fun. Oh by the way Hannah smacks Joel across his cheek in the middle of this, but it's Hannah so don't worry it's okay. The clapperboard has some interesting information on it, like some of the crew members and that it was "take two" of this "reality show." So we were wondering if the crew is really the same crew Kate says they love and missed. I don't have the skills of Nev or many of the posters here, but I did a little poor man's sleuthing on IMDB to see what I could come up with.

I see two names on the clapperboard. One is C. McCarthy-Miller. I pretend Max is sitting just to my right holding his stupid little canon video camera as I pull up google.



I quickly discover "C." is some guy named Clark, and he has been part of all of two episodes, not counting these, of Kate Plus 8, as a production assistant and as a photographer. In 2011, folks. "Ohhhhh, that could be him!" Max always says, even if it's totally obvious that is him. J. Bromiley is also on the clapperboard, and that's some man named Jack, a camera man who is credited with only one episode of Kate Plus 8. Also one of the Australia episodes way back in 2011.

Assuming IMDB is correct, and I have no reason to think it's not, how could you possibly form attachments to these Clark and Jack guys and call them your daddy and family after two episode three years ago? Do the kids even remember them? When you look at IMDB, you see over a hundred people have worked in production on this show. Even if you don't count people who sit in editing bays and don't interact with the kids, it's still a ton. They have been through a whopping sixteen producers. So this whole thing about how this is such a close knit family is utter nonsense, of course.

The size of their crew is normal. This is how Hollywood works. There is constant turnover as you move on to other projects or projects and contracts overlap making you unavailable even if you wanted to be on the crew. For Kate to put forth to her dumb fans it's anything different than everybody else's television show is lunacy. And it's dangerous. How could one parent possibly vet over a hundred people to any reasonable person's satisfaction? You can't, which is how Bill Blankinship slipped through. He's still there on IMDB the proud editor of over thirteen episodes, it's not like they can remove his name just because he's a sex offender now, and still has two more years of probation to serve.

Kate puts on a clown wig and nose, and pairs it with a strapless dress that looks better suited for the beach. In this getup she sort of reminds me of Carol Burnett's Miss Hannigan, naturally the best Miss Hannigan there ever was. She was an ever-evolving mix between trendy and slutty, sober and drunk, lovesick and bitter. And she was a master scammer too and used children to her benefit. Carol nearly stole the show. This look of Kate's would be complete if she would just carry around a bottle of Sake.

You won't regret watching this clip of the great Carol, it's just incredible.



Lol, I love Mady. She is finally old enough to stop Kate in her tracts. When Kate tries to say she promised the kids she would wear it Mady immediately jumps in and says give me an ever loving break they did not want you to wear that and mortify them I saw the whole thing! Heh!

Oh, there's Deanna, another enabler and out-of-state BFF, wandering in the background carrying a present. Yet another person around to help and take the immense burden off Shmoops.

I should be shaking my head at how disrespectful the kids are about this, but in this case Kate deserves it. The clown thing is creepy, Leah says. Yes it sure is.

There's very few kids at this "carnival" but tons of adults working, plus Mady's friends. It does look good and authentic, though pretty juvenile, with popcorn and cotton candy and games.

Mady says Kate scares her friends. Yikes, I don't think she was joking about that one. Awkward.

Wow some of these games are pretty lame. Pin the nose on the clown, really? I don't know if kids in 2014 would like these.

Ugh, the horrific fish game.

Mady helps run this game, and bemoans the children's "sins of impatience." Whoa okay, sister wife!

Kate says the bowls did not have a fish in them, but I can see several betas in the bowls right there swimming while the kids are throwing balls at them, so W....T...F!!!

So for anyone who still thinks this game is all fun and dandy, I want you to imagine yourself sitting in a shallow kiddie pool all afternoon in the heat. Now imagine as you are lounging in this pool, somebody is dropping giant ping pong balls three times your size on your head, repeatedly. Then you get sent home with some kid who either forgets about you and leaves you in the car to roast, or puts you on the dining room table in that same kiddie pool and tries to remember to feed you every once in awhile because the family was neither expecting you nor was asked to have you over, so nobody else wants to care for you. Fun!

It just occurred to Kate that if any of her children actually win the fish, which several of them do, she'll have more pets in the house.

I love that the narcissist is only capable of understanding this and what a bad idea it is when it's happening to her. I.e. when her kids win and are ready to set up shop with their new pet in her house of horrors. She didn't even consider what she was dumping on other parents when she set up this game in the first place, and she still doesn't seem to think about that. Remarkable and fascinating.

I have to say I do kind of like that parents can come to this too and that there's a ton of space for them to socialize. It's fun to share in your child's fun without making them feel like you're a pain or smothering.

The velcro wall is cool and somehow seems quite fun. It does what you expect. You wear a big velcro suit, jump and get stuck to the wall. There are literally like four different workers with name tags helping to run it, so I don't think Kate is doing any of this all by herself. Kate does the velcro wall several times because it's all about her.

The piñata has nothing to do with a carnival and is totally off the theme so for that reason I don't like it. This is a perfect example of Kate really having no idea how to throw a classy, themed party. But as long as the kids enjoy it fine. Collin says something about how they hit the piñata but no one would want to hit Mommy. Obviously he hasn't found this blog yet.

A long and boring explanation about having difficulty lighting the candles on the cake. This show has been boring for awhile but I never remember it being this mind numbing. It's like they didn't even try.

Hannah violently pushes Collin away from the cake with an accusation he spit on it while he was blowing out his candles (hey it happens, don't like spit don't do candles), which I never saw, and naturally, there are no consequences.

The kids really liked their party so that's nice. Why couldn't the families just pull their cars up into the driveway and park on the grass? Why do they have to take a shuttle? Seems like an unnecessary expense for a piecer and patcher.

Now the big surprise. Hey that's not a Jonas! Instead it's a John Deere gatar four-wheeler thing that lots of big properties have. Oh, something to help them with choring! Yeaaa!!!

Collin is onto this immediately, lol. Well this is just to drive down to take care of the chickens. Yep.

Oh my god this thing is huge and powerful. Seeing it up close like this it's more immense and scary than I thought. Seemingly without any instruction Joel hops right in and starts driving. The rest of the kids drive it as well. Somebody posted that John Deere recommends that only children 16 and older drive this honking thing. Oh good grief. I would have preferred a Jonas brother.

I have never heard someone go on so long about what a birthday is really about. Good heavens it's not her birthday.


As usual very little of it is on point and the rest is in outer space. Succinct shmoops is not! It's finally over and up next another show about dwarfs? Well I guess they don't have a family yet who subscribes to the philosophy that you should not modify your home to accommodate your short stature because the world is not going to do that for you, so I guess that's new. This pretentious couple calls themselves the Brad and Angelina of the dwarf world. Yeah and I'm the Natalie Portman of the blogging world.

A couple final thoughts on what I hope is the first and only update special. I hope to never have to recap this show or anything these children are on ever again. (Don't worry, I will happily recap Celebrity Apprentice!)

It's more clear than ever before these past two weeks were as much about Kate getting a platform to play celebrity than it has a single thing to do with wanting what's best for her kids. Most of this episode was just Kate. Kate baking, Kate bird watching, Kate velcroing, and most of all Kate yapping about all things Kate. This obsessive need to be the center of attention even so far as on a nationwide stage is a dangerous one, and has only led to bad things for these poor kids.

Mady, Cara, Aaden, Alexis, Collin, Hannah, Joel and Leah are both her sword and her shield. She uses them to slash through all the red tape and get what she wants, like this very update special and many other things we well know of. And if anyone ever tries to question her, they are her human shields to hide behind. After all, you'd have to be one bitter and ugly person to attack a mother with eight sweet babies, right? Anyone who still believes this needs to seriously think about what the morally right thing is to do in a situation where two competing values butt heads. Those values of course would be, being kind, understanding and deferential to the sacredness that is motherhood, versus the promotion of a child's overall best interest and the protection of children from abuse and exploitation.

Of course in my book, the protection of children is paramount. In fact, if you don't know, like many other bloggers who have passed by the Realitytvkids porch, I too have dedicated my career to working on just such child abuse cases and much worse. You can't imagine what I've seen. You don't want to. I certainly believe very strongly in parental rights and would cut off my right arm to be sure someone is getting their due process, but at the same time I subscribe to the idea that sometimes it takes a village to protect a child. I believe the protection of children from abuse and exploitation is a matter of public concern if it has indeed crossed that line into abuse and exploitation, as I believe it has here. I could care less if a mother, or father, or anybody else gets their feelings hurt in the process. That does not matter when kids are being abused. I believe this is how it should be.

Oh, and my replacement keyboard works like a dream so I can say it without problems: I HATE Kate. Have a wonderful Fourth everyone. The porch is open and the rumspringa spiked lemonades are flowing, on me. You are in good hands with the blog girls and pool boys and I'll see you soon!


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Teacher Respect said...

I know a family with two very bright kids who homeschool and it's funny because they "take the kids to school" even though it's "homeschool". They gather with a bunch of other kids and learn together I guess. It's really not homeschool but it's not a public or private school either. I think generalizing it as only for white religious middle class mothers is just that, a generalization. And it's insulting to imply that all it is is some dumb parent with a workbook.
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It's a fact, not a generalization. According to the National Center for Educational Statistics, 68% of homeschoolers are White, 80% are above poverty and 64% cite "giving religious instruction" as an important reason for home schooling.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

lol exactly my point. A generalization.

prairiemary said...

No, will not tell you the twitter name, as my sister and I share the same account, and tweet under the same name. I know a few other tweeters also do it this way, especially when you need to share a computer.

Midnight Madness said...

I assume the defective detective didn't buy "the" cookbook. In looking at K's timeline I noticed a tweet from her where she mentions the famous homemade egg custard with fresh raspberried and asks, "Recipe in your cookbook?"

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Maybe she bought it but can't find it in the cookbook. You know, defective detective work.

Midnight Madness said...

If you want a real eye-opener about public schooling, I challenge you to read John Taylor Gatto's book "The Underground History of American Education". It's online. The man has done his research.

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I think I'll pass. I'm too hot and too exhaustedish for challenges today. I just need to sit by the POOL with a good daiquiri in my hand.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


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Admin, not all generalizations are invalid

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Yes, but other poster seems to want us to conclude that PW's children, who are homeschooled, must be written off as white, religious and insulting to teachers. Wth?

I'm not sure why it's so hard to accept that a child can get a wonderful education being homeschooled. The whole reason this was brought up is someone said why aren't we all upset about Pioneer Woman's homeschooled children. Lol, why would anyone be concerned about that? What reason on earth do we have to conclude their rather regulated and formalized homeschool education, per their own admission, is not just as good if not superior than their local public school? And the nice thing is after helping to take care of the livestock on a cold winter morning they don't have to scramble to get bundled up and on the bus for a long chilly drive into town for school. Unless there is some specific reason offered up to be concerned, of which I have not heard, I'm not going to worry myself over a child's education. Statistics about how many homeschooled children are white and religious doesn't prove anything about PW's children or in any way discredit their education.

T said...

Oh dear, since I'm the one who initially brought this subject up I guess I better clairfy a few things:

1. It is a FACT that the chicken chore check list has 2 heading, one says "Our Chickens" and the other one says "Forrest's Chickens". This was shown in the actual chicken barn and NOT on the clipboards on the back of the kitchen chairs, (we still have NO idea what those say). I don't know how to post a screen shot of it, but anyone who has access to the "on demand" feature with their cable can see it themselves for free. It can be found listed under TLC and is in part 1 of the special in the beginning when they are discussing chores and showing the boys completing their chicken chores. They show the chicken chore chart and if it goes too fast for you to read it just press the pause button (around 8mins and 20 secs and you can read it in all it's glory.

2. I never suggested ANYONE contact Forrest, I merely asked who he was as Kate made it seem as if all of then chickens are hers. I only asked. That's it.

3. Chores are fine. Lying about it is what piqued my curousity.

njay said...

prairiemary said... 19
but I do not like to be made to feel that just because I tweet, that makes me a bad person. I am not a bad person at all. And I do not consider myself to be a crazed hater
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prairiemary, I apologize if my comment made you feel like a bad person. I will admit that I am not good with finding the proper words to explain what I feel. I know my post reads as if I meant all those who tweet Kate are evil.. I am not against ANYONE who speak the truth and post it. I AM against anyone who has to lie and embellish the truth to try to get others to jump on their bandwagon to destroy someone. To bring in any private person and try to destroy their reputation IMO is just evil. Plain and simple. That goes for fans, haters and Kate.

My thought when it comes to those who do or don't do this behavior is, The haters are those who tweet harmfully and recklessly. Non fans, IMO, are those who call her out without having to lie or embellish information. The minions..they are in a category all their own.

Math Girl said...

prairiemary said... 39
No, will not tell you the twitter name.
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No problem. It's entirely your choice.

NJGal51 said...

I sometimes think that when a new non-fan pops up on twitter that it's one of TFW minions there to stir up trouble and get the haters on a rant so that the fans can pop in to defend her. One side is just as bad as the other. I don't tweet but do read over there and I do think that things are carried to the extreme many times and I'm glad that they seem to have dropped chickengate.

And then there's Milo: @MiloandJack: @Kateplusmy8 Here it is Saturday...was it a #LacrosseDay? A family scream of delight watching Cara play? :)

PA Dutch Mom said...

Exhausted NJay tweeted:

"I am extremely disgusted with all this "chicken gate" stuff. I have said before here that I think ANYONE who has to speculate, accuse without proof, EMBELLISH, lie and any other method out there, to try to destroy some one has a greater evil agenda then the one they are trying to destroy."

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Bingo, NJay. Well said. Your post hit the nail on the head. What really chaps me is the one who tweets so many lies about Kate, all the while calling out Kate for being a liar. She recently tweeted something about Kate that I know is a downright lie, it was a whopper, and I can prove it. It was reckless tweeting, nasty and cruel. Not going to mention this tweeter's name, though, but since I don't have twitter, I can't call her out on it. She probably wouldn't believe it anyway, even though I live right here and I believe she is on the other coast. The point is that both sides are hypocrites, but it seems that lately the haters seem to be worse than the sheeple and Kate herself. What goes around, comes around. None of this is going to end well. There will be no happy ending to all of this, and nobody is ever going to "win." The hate is just too intense. And yes, I do know that the fans are capable of dishing it out, too.

"Wow, it's exhausting to rant. You haven't REALLY experienced exhaustion until you've ranted defending Kate. I'm not a drinker but I sure could use a huge mug of rumspringa."

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Well, haul it on over here. The brewery is open!

Rhymes with Witch said...

I have friends who.homeschooled their 3 children because of issues with the local public school. They used a formal curriculum and included experiential learning. One child is completing a medical residency, one is in law school and the youngest is in med. school.
I'm not advocating anything, just providing an example.
On the other hand, the thought that Kate would choose to homeschool (for filming purposes) terrified me. I'm willing to bet she considered it.

T said...

PJ's momma said... 4
I paused on the fridge chore charts and I paused on the chicken chore charts, and nowhere did I see "Forrest's chickens" anywhere. This is all too much. It is ALL speculation and it has snowballed.
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Pause it again PJ. 8:19,8:20, 8:21, etc. I promise you that it is there and that I am in no way speculating.

TLC stinks said...

I believe you, T. His name is unique so I cannot imagine anyone making this up. Who would have thought your innocent question would ignite a furor.

Sherry Baby said...

On the other hand, the thought that Kate would choose to homeschool (for filming purposes) terrified me. I'm willing to bet she considered it.

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But wouldn't someone have to homeschool Kate before she could homeschool her kids? Can you imagine the misinformation she'd be giving them?

Sherry Baby said...

And then there's Milo: @MiloandJack: @Kateplusmy8 Here it is Saturday...was it a #LacrosseDay? A family scream of delight watching Cara play? :)

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But wouldn't Milo know this? I don't understand why she has to play the Twenty Questions game with Kate if she and Kate are as snug as two bugs in a rug.

LaLaLandNoMore said...

Kids tattling on each other is a recipe for disaster for their relationships. TFW needs help and we all are aware of what kind she needs. The kids will grow up and probably move away, but not without some of them having serious issues. They will have to work as their wealth is not theirs' and it will not cover generations to come. This is an ugly story.

Sherry Baby said...

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack 1h
A #TrueBlue "I love you" look 4ur kids @Kateplusmy8 >> pic.twitter.com/km23Q4pg3R

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Milo's being ignored, so it looks like it's time to trot out the old tried and true cute animal pictures! :) Didn't Barb win the last competition and Gladys was a big miffed?

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

Have any of you left this page open on your computer, gone to read another website or to do something else and all a sudden an ad starts blaring out of your speakers? That's happened 5 times to me in two days. As soon as I close this site the voice goes away. Man, does that piss me off! Since I'm here alone it's scared the sh*t out of me if I'm in another room and all of a sudden I hear a man's voice in my house.

If it's a Blogger glitch, hope they fix it soon. If it's a Blogger addition for ad revenue, Blogger, you suck.

T said...

TLC stinks said... 51
I believe you, T. His name is unique so I cannot imagine anyone making this up. Who would have thought your innocent question would ignite a furor.
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TLC stinks- thank you, thank you, thank you! I was beginning to go out of my head. All these accusations about speculation and making things up was really disconcerting. I've posted here for quite some time, and I'd like to think that my posts are usually well thought out and reasonable. Who woulda thunk it would cause all this ruckus? Not me that's for sure...anywho...I promise it's all there for anyone to see, (hopefully post a clear screen shot of). In the meantime, can someone roll the keg (yes, KEG) of rumspringa my way? I think I earned a sip or two.

Rhymes with Witch said...

But wouldn't someone have to homeschool Kate before she could homeschool her kids? Can you imagine the misinformation she'd be giving them? 52

That's part of what terrified me. Their almost total isolation was another part.
It's bad enough with them attending school.

lukebandit said...

I remember seeing the chicken forms when a boy was checking the boxes and filling it out. The camera lingered on it. The forms were sitting on a barrel? so he could write. I remember how they looked like complicated IRS tax forms.

I did tweet about the chickens, but I only tweeted 2 or 3 to kate and milo only. In one tweet, I asked about on Forrest's website there were 4 valuable employees (after naming working family members and another employee or employees) and I said I wonder if those valuable employees are kate and the boys.

But, I didn't send anything to Forrest's website or twitter. CowsbytheRiver grabbed my addy and put it on tweets of hers or his or its. Why? IDK. I hope they don't again.

I just wanted to clarify.

lukebandit said...

The book has sold 1319. Avg. 69.4 a day.

Formerly Duped said...

'A family scream of delight' Hmm, that sounds almost...sarcastic!

NJGal51 said...

T is right and Forrest's name is there on the form in the bard and I agree that you asked a perfectly innocent question (and it was a good catch). Sorry Luke, it didn't look like a complicated tax form to me just a bunch of yes or no questions and the boys didn't seem to mind chicken duty judging by their comments on the couch.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Formerly Duped (#30), I see you, too, doubt TFW's claim that the
boys make the most mess in the bathroom. At least one of the
boys seems to be fastidious about his appearance. And I remember
how one of them panicked when he got dirty on the golf course, and
Jon lamented that their mother had "brainwarped" them about not
getting messy. Also, the boys were beaten often even as toddlers according to TFW's journal. They learned very early that making a mess comes with consequences.

gabby2 said...

If written errands were shown on TLC videos....it is a topic for discussion!

When the kids visit their father...who exactly does care for chickens? And when it is freezing cold outside, who has to go out there to care for farm animals by themselves?

prairiemary said...

Thanks NJay:) Some of us HATE to be lumped in with extreme haters, as they do get really awful with some things they say. We try hard to not get mentioned in those harsh tweets, and what you say is so true.
I do not know who the big lie was about, will have to pay better attention. I don't believe any lies should be made up, because the truth in itself is already the worst.

lukebandit said...

Well, maybe the 1040EZ. hahaha

But, nothing with kate is easy.

PJ's momma said...

T, thanks, I believe you, but I deleted it. Actually my husband's Walking Dead Marathon deleted it! 50-something episodes in one shot (we had no idea), and it deleted some movies I wanted to watch too! For some odd reason, I still have part 2 of that snore-fest.
I've said this before, but what does Kate do? Growing up, I did all the laundry, all the dishes, all the vacuuming/sweeping, all the dusting, all the bathroom scouring on the weekends. What else is there? My mom made dinner and that was it. She also did the grocery shopping on Saturdays. But she did work 40 hours a week. We lived in a small town, so if we had activities, it was a 5 minute ride or walked or rode our bikes to it. My mom was lazy. I think she had kids to do her bidding because she sure didn't enjoy being a mother.

PJ's momma said...

PS: T, I meant it's all speculation about the boys' being personal farm hands to this Forrest person so that Kate can make a bunch of money. Nobody really knows what that checklist means.

Midnight Madness said...

I did tweet about the chickens, but I only tweeted 2 or 3 to kate and milo only. In one tweet, I asked about on Forrest's website there were 4 valuable employees (after naming working family members and another employee or employees) and I said I wonder if those valuable employees are kate and the boys.

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Why? Anything like that is going to open up a whole can of worms for the resident haters to start their slamming/innuendos. It's fuel for the fire. It just eggs them on (pun intended). The light bulbs go off in their heads, and they all jump on the hay wagon!

"Since I'm here alone it's scared the sh*t out of me if I'm in another room and all of a sudden I hear a man's voice in my house."

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Is it a very masculine, sexy voice enticing you to come to the bedroom? I think that would be kind of interesting! LOL!

I put my speakers on mute if I'm not listening to music or videos. That way I don't have male (or female) intrusion, but I can see where that might scare the beejeeus out of you!

Granny in Nebraska said...

My daughter was a National Merit Scholar and is a Professional Engineer and she home schools her children. They are involved in many outside activities and are well mannered and articulate.
Millicent (13) How would she have access to taxpayer funds meant for the public schools?

My niece (who comments on here) is a third grade teacher and has just
won a big award for her teaching.
Whatever works!
Love the comments on here. Auntie Ann, you are a favorite!

PA Dutch Mom said...

Mal!ah Dew ‏@maliahdew1102 32m
@Kateplusmy8 @Support dont worry there are peole out there who still have ur back and always will, dont let ignorant people distract you. :)

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...and people who want her front (Gladys). Does Kate think that the sheeple (ignorant people) are a distraction?

This Rumspringa sure hits the spot. Sorry I can't pass it on to you folks!

Unknown said...

Way behind on the comments but jumping in before reading more...
Millicent said... 11
''........I do believe however, that the silver lining is that those boys will probably be fairly self sufficient as adults. They've been made to do a lot of the work around that house. They've also learned other coping skills and survival skills. Hopefully they'll seek counseling or therapy once grown, just to help them sort through the many issues of being raised by a narcissist.''
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Like you, I was raised on a farm/ranch the oldest of five girls and one boy. There was no such thing as ''girl chores''. There were chores and we did them, no matter what the chore was. I was driving a stupid tractor at five or six!

I agree that Jon's boys being singled out to not only doing ''mens work'' but work inside the house, not to even mention the ''coping skills and survival skills'' with WOS, will serve them well as adults. Having time together outside dealing w/the chickens has also allowed them to bond. In the 'special' they seemed to be comfortable together, teasing, laughing, and showing genuine affection for one another.

They also have the advantage of having a good role model with their father. They see that Jon cleans, cooks, has a job (or two) is free with hugs, loving and caring. His children KNOW that they are loved by their father. I suspect that Jon's sons will, in the long run, be fine. (Other than the issues of having a narcissistic mother who thank all that is holy is not the only one raising the Gosselin children!! !!!!!!)

LoveMyGrandsons said...

PJ #67, I competely understand your anger and frustration. I had the same chores, however my mother didn't have a job outside of the home. She didn't even cook. We had Andies Pizza/spaghetti about 4-5 times a week.

What exactly does Kate do? Absolutely nothing, she puts it all on her kids.

Kate's begs to much said...

Reading Eagle from 2005 a good read about Kate&Jon http://internetservices.readingeagle.com/blog/mother/archives/2005/05/count_your_bles_1.html http://www2.readingeagle.com/article.aspx?id=140681 https://web.archive.org/web/20050131163033/http://sixgosselins.com/

Kate's begs to much said...

Old reading Eagle http://www2.readingeagle.com/article.aspx?id=82892

Kate's begs to much said...

from reading eagle http://www2.readingeagle.com/article.aspx?id=140514

Bitchy Pants said...

Tweet -- It's not just Blogger, it's nearly every website that has those infernal ads popping up. Amazon is a frequent offender. They've scared the bejeezus out of me more than once. I've gotten to the point where I just mute the volume on my computer unless I'm watching a DVD or streaming a video. I don't even listen to music on it any more. At first I thought it was an IE issue, but it happens when I use Chrome, too.

Ingrid said...

"Since I'm here alone it's scared the sh*t out of me if I'm in another room and all of a sudden I hear a man's voice in my house
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That reminds me of the time years ago I had an animated Budweiser frogs or lizards screen saver. One night my son in law was here alone. He didn't know or forgot about it. All of a sudden two guys start talking while he is in the kitchen. ("hey frank" "what?" etc.) He was so scared he crouched by the fridge in case someone was outside. Finally figured it out but it scared the crap outta him at first. LOL

Formerly Duped said...

Does anyone know #1. if the G kids will attend the same school for high school? I know if goes up to Gr 12 but are there other options they might consider?

#2. Is Zorro handled too roughly? When Kate washed him off in the sink after grabbing him I was worried! Also Alexis made him 'walk' on the counter- do birds tolerate handling like that well?

PoohBear said...

I haven't quite caught up on all the comments yet, but wanted to post my thoughts on "chickengate" before I forgot what I wanted to say.

I did a bit of googling and read about Forrest and his farm. According to what I read, Forrest is the 4th generation of his family to run the farm and his son came back to work the farm with him, making it the 5th generation.

Clearly, they were doing JUST fine before Kate came along and they will, no doubt, do fine without her (potentially/allegedly) caring for a very minor number of their total chickens. I can't recall exact numbers, but it seemed like they had something like 400 broilers and a good number of layers in residence. So Kate housing a paltry 30-40ish chickens has *got* to be for Kate's benefit and probably something that TLC worked out with Forrest while they were still filming.

He probably has an NDA and on top of that probably has other things to do than worry about what lies Kate is telling. Running a working farm is a LOT of work, something Kate would know nothing about. He may have no idea what Kate is even saying about the chickens. I doubt he follows her every word like we do ;) For him it was a business arrangement that was set in place years ago. As long as it keeps working the way it was set up, he has no reason to delve deeper into it.

Probably the majority of his dealings with Kate were set up by TLC years ago during the filming and he doesn't have (or want) anymore personal dealings with her than he has to have. So I'm willing to give him a pass on not speaking out. He may have no idea who is taking care of the chickens, as long as the business deal is working as intended he would have no reason to care.

Kate, as always, is the one at fault here for trying to make things something they are not. No one would care if all the chickens were not her's if she wasn't always LYING about everything. Any person that has ever had chickens before or read about chickens or has 2 brain cells to rub together knows that a family with 9 people in it does not need 50 freaking chickens. Even a person with an understanding of basic math can figure that out.

So when she suddenly says "we have 50 chickens" people immediately wonder WHY. Why do they need so many chickens? Who is taking care of an army of chickens because we know she doesn't lift a finger to do anything? etc. As always she gets herself into trouble and is her own worst enemy.

Sheri said...

Millicent said...(13)

"I don't think that homeschoolers should have access to taxpayer funds meant for the public schools though."

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Actually, as a former homeschooling parent, I have not been exempt from paying public school taxes even though my child no longer attended public school. Neither did I receive any tax breaks for teaching my child at home.

Our museum and gym memberships were full price. All extra curricular activities; girl guides, sports and drama club we paid the same as everyone else.

If I'm paying public school taxes but not having my child in school full time, why shouldn't she be able to take advantage of the resources offered by our local schools?

Deciding to homeschool doesn't mean you're anti-school. It's not so black and white.

T said...

Thanks to those of you that have sent support (and validation : ) my way). I truly appreciate it. And just to remove any remaining speculation I have posted exactly what all those notes say including the chicken chart (and listed the time it was shown during part 1 of the special). Maybe someone more tech savvy can post the screen shots? Until then- here's what my eyes saw.

2:59 Post it note on kitchen pantry shelf- DO NOT OPEN ANY (underlined) OTHER SNACKS. IF (undecipherable) UNTIL THINGS IN HERE ARE GONE! THIS IS THE WORST EVER!

5:57 Shows chore chart on kitchen fridge
FALL/WINTER ADD'l CHORES

Alexis- CLEAN METAL APPLIANCES METAL FRIDGE MICROWAVE LITTLE FRIDGE
** NEED 1 PAPER TOWEL W/ 4SPRAYS WINDEX**
Hannah- check trash: dog kitchen, fam room desk, + laundry room--> if full, empty + put new bag in tr.can!
Colin- CLEAN UP SHED. ** ADULT TO CHECK BEFORE CLOSING**
AADEN- HANG ALL WINTER COAT/SNOWSUITS ON DRYING RACK. WINTER BOOTS ON RUG AND CLEAN UP WATER!
X- WATER CHRISTMAS TREE
Hannah – Inspector gadget
X-VACUUM UP TREE NEEDLES
Leah- SWEEP SALT OFF FRONT PORCH AND INSIDE FRONT DOOR
Joel- (can't read it completely due to being cut off)

7:03 Shows another chore chart on kitchen fridge

THE CHORE CHART

ADULT CHECKS CHORES THEN (check marks) OFF

Colin- clean table after dinner ** needs soapy cloth**
Joel- clean floor after dinner KITCHEN FLOOR/UNDER BAR STOOLS TOO
Hannah- rinse toothbrushes and sink after dinner **NEEDS 1 PAPER TOWEL**
Leah/Alexis- clean up family room & basement after dinner
Aaden- straighten shoes, coats, bookbag area ** AND SHOES IN BASEMENT**
Boys- bathroom checks after dinner. Aaden- BASEMENT Colin – BY LAUNDRY ROOM Joel-BY FRONT DOOR
C- empty dishwasher
M- reload dishwasher
M- straight in coats, bookbags and closet area
Boys- TAKE TRASH/RECYCLE TO GARAGE
Aaden- FEED SHOKA REMIND LOCK FOOD BIN 1. ONE SCOOP 2. STIR OUTSIDE 3. CLEAN UP FOOD ON GROUND 4. BRING OLD BOWLS
C- WIPE COUNTERS AFTER DINNER
Aaden- SET THE TABLE BEFORE DINNER

[Note: there is a handwritten piece of paper attached to the top left corner. I THINK it says " chicken in school ____" (last word is hard to read, may be either sleigh/pledge/fridge???)]

8:21 shows chicken chore check list on a clip board on top of a large barrel in barn

CHICKEN CHECKS (WHEN YOU ARE DONE)
DATE: _______ DAY: ________

OUR CHICKENS: (underlined)

WATER FILLED YES/NO
WATER LEAKING ON THE GROUND – YES/NO
WATER FROZEN – YES/NO
WATER HEATER FEELS WARM YES/NO
FOOD – HALF FILLED YES/NO
FOOD SPILLED AROUND ON THE FLOOR – YES/NO (CLEAN UP IF YES)
MUDDY AREAS SPRINKLED WITH WOOD SHAVINGS YES/NO
HEAT LAMP ON/OFF
DAYLIGHT ON/OFF
RUN DOOR OPEN/CLOSED
CRACKED EGGS – YES/NO
ENOUGH SHAVINGS IN NESTS- YES/NO (ADD IF NO)
CHICKENS ALL LOOK NORMAL – YES/NO

FORRESTS CHICKENS: (underlined)

WATER FILLED YES/NO
WATER LEAKING ON THE GROUND – YES/NO
WATER FROZEN – YES/NO
[note: the rest is cut off from view, but since the first 3 questions are exactly the same I would GUESS that the remaining questions are similar to the ones listed above it.]

Also this is what Kate says in her talking head interview when they are showing the boys doing the chicken chores: " The bottom line why we still have chickens is, uh, it is the boys responsibility. I feel like it's really their only man chore that they have. They take care of that barn and those chickens, and do all those man things, and uh, they do it well."

NJGal51 said...

I think when TFW says that the boys make the biggest mess in the bathroom she's probably talking about the inevitable pee drips that go with the territory of having males in the house. Pee drips happen. Deal with it.

NJGal51 said...

I've noticed that many of the new tweeters who "have TFW's back" are pretty new accounts with less than 100 tweets each. Hmmmmmmm.

Sheri said...

Teacher Respect said...(37)

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"It's a fact, not a generalization. According to the National Center for Educational Statistics, 68% of homeschoolers are White, 80% are above poverty and 64% cite "giving religious instruction" as an important reason for home schooling."

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So? What's your point? That homeschooling is bad because only white middle class people can afford to do it?

Would it be okay if it was available to every child?

Or is your objection just that these children are learning at home in a safe, loving environment instead of an institutionalized setting?

T said...

Thanks to those of you that have sent support (and validation : ) my way). I truly appreciate it. And just to remove any remaining speculation I have posted exactly what all those notes say including the chicken chart (and listed the time it was shown during part 1 of the special). Maybe someone more tech savvy can post the screen shots? Until then- here's what my eyes saw.

2:59 Post it note on kitchen pantry shelf- DO NOT OPEN ANY (underlined) OTHER SNACKS. IF (undecipherable) UNTIL THINGS IN HERE ARE GONE! THIS IS THE WORST EVER!

5:57 Shows chore chart on kitchen fridge
FALL/WINTER ADD'l CHORES

Alexis- CLEAN METAL APPLIANCES METAL FRIDGE MICROWAVE LITTLE FRIDGE
** NEED 1 PAPER TOWEL W/ 4SPRAYS WINDEX**
Hannah- check trash: dog kitchen, fam room desk, + laundry room--> if full, empty + put new bag in tr.can!
Colin- CLEAN UP SHED. ** ADULT TO CHECK BEFORE CLOSING**
AADEN- HANG ALL WINTER COAT/SNOWSUITS ON DRYING RACK. WINTER BOOTS ON RUG AND CLEAN UP WATER!
X- WATER CHRISTMAS TREE
Hannah – Inspector gadget
X-VACUUM UP TREE NEEDLES
Leah- SWEEP SALT OFF FRONT PORCH AND INSIDE FRONT DOOR
Joel- (can't read it completely due to being cut off)

7:03 Shows another chore chart on kitchen fridge

THE CHORE CHART

ADULT CHECKS CHORES THEN (check marks) OFF

Colin- clean table after dinner ** needs soapy cloth**
Joel- clean floor after dinner KITCHEN FLOOR/UNDER BAR STOOLS TOO
Hannah- rinse toothbrushes and sink after dinner **NEEDS 1 PAPER TOWEL**
Leah/Alexis- clean up family room & basement after dinner
Aaden- straighten shoes, coats, bookbag area ** AND SHOES IN BASEMENT**
Boys- bathroom checks after dinner. Aaden- BASEMENT Colin – BY LAUNDRY ROOM Joel-BY FRONT DOOR
C- empty dishwasher
M- reload dishwasher
M- straight in coats, bookbags and closet area
Boys- TAKE TRASH/RECYCLE TO GARAGE
Aaden- FEED SHOKA REMIND LOCK FOOD BIN 1. ONE SCOOP 2. STIR OUTSIDE 3. CLEAN UP FOOD ON GROUND 4. BRING OLD BOWLS
C- WIPE COUNTERS AFTER DINNER
Aaden- SET THE TABLE BEFORE DINNER

[Note: there is a handwritten piece of paper attached to the top left corner. I THINK it says " chicken in school ____" (last word is hard to read, may be either sleigh/pledge/fridge???)]

8:21 show chicken chore check list on a clip board on top of a large barrel in barn

CHICKEN CHECKS (WHEN YOU ARE DONE)
DATE: _______ DAY: ________

OUR CHICKENS: (underlined)

WATER FILLED YES/NO
WATER LEAKING ON THE GROUND – YES/NO
WATER FROZEN – YES/NO
WATER HEATER FEELS WARM YES/NO
FOOD – HALF FILLED YES/NO
FOOD SPILLED AROUND ON THE FLOOR – YES/NO (CLEAN UP IF YES)
MUDDY AREAS SPRINKLED WITH WOOD SHAVINGS YES/NO
HEAT LAMP ON/OFF
DAYLIGHT ON/OFF
RUN DOOR OPEN/CLOSED
CRACKED EGGS – YES/NO
ENOUGH SHAVINGS IN NESTS- YES/NO (ADD IF NO)
CHICKENS ALL LOOK NORMAL – YES/NO

FORRESTS CHICKENS: (underlined)

WATER FILLED YES/NO
WATER LEAKING ON THE GROUND – YES/NO
WATER FROZEN – YES/NO
[note: the rest is cut off from view, but since the first 3 questions are exactly the same I would GUESS that the remaining questions are similar to the ones listed above it.]

Also this is what Kate says in her talking head interview when they are showing the boys doing the chicken chores: " The bottom line of why we still have chickens is, uh, it is the boys responsibility. I feel like it's really their only man chore that they have. They take care of that barn and those chickens, and do all those man things, and uh, they do it well."

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

Midnight Madness said... 69

Yeah, I always thought Tom Selleck had a great voice. If he'd do the ads, maybe I'd turn my speakers back on.

Bitchy Pants said... 79

I've seen it on other websites, a video on the side bar and then the sound kicks in, but there are no videos on this site, so I was really unprepared. LOL

Ingrid said... 80

Oh, my that is so funny, but I'm sure he was scared there for a while. I understand completely.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Am I the only person who shuddered at the prospect of TFW
teaching her children? The woman who thinks they speak
Asian in Chinatown, and that FDR is on Mt. Rushmore?

PJ's momma said...

Thanks, T, I saw all that too, just not the part about Forrest because the little timeline indicator is at the bottom of the screen. I laughed and then got a little upset, reading those. She literally does nothing except mastermind all the chore lists/checklists, cooks, and maybe does laundry and shopping and bill paying. She has ample time to do all that AND all the things on the lists, or at least some of them. Yes, kids should do chores, but every day the stainless must be cleaned? The book bags/coats/whatever must be straightened after they were all put away when home arrival happened? Why? So what if the shoes are a little crooked? Will someone die? My chores each day were the dishes/laundry/vacuum the common areas, for six people. The laundry probably took 15 minutes to fold in stacks for everyone to pick up and the vacuuming took 5-10 minutes. Dishes were the worst. But my mom just trusted it was done, didn't tell me how to do it, what order, nor go along and check afterward. She trusted it was done, my brothers got the garbage out and the dogs fed, and our beds were made, rooms were clean, and homework done. Sheesh.
And again, I'm not saying YOU are speculating, just that others have taken the little data available and ran with it and created what may be outrageous scenarios.

Beyond Disgusted said...

CHICKENS ALL LOOK NORMAL – YES/NO

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I wonder how long it took her to determine that the one that was nearly pecked to death didn't look "normal?"

Unknown said...

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said... 56
''Have any of you left this page open on your computer, gone to read another website or to do something else and all a sudden an ad starts blaring out of your speakers? That's happened 5 times to me in two days. As soon as I close this site the voice goes away. Man, does that piss me off! Since I'm here alone it's scared the sh*t out of me if I'm in another room and all of a sudden I hear a man's voice in my house.''
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YES! This first happened to me years and years ago when I first got a computer, almost causing me to have a heart attack. Since then, I've always kept the sound muted and only turn on the sound when I want to watch a video or something. The moment it ends, the sound is muted again!

Sleepless In Seattle said...

** NEED 1 PAPER TOWEL W/ 4SPRAYS WINDEX**

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What happens if you use two paper towels and five squirts of Windex? Banished to the basement under penalty of severness? Locked outside in freezing weather? Happied up with the spanker? Forced to eat week-old chicken cacciatore?

Sleepless In Seattle said...

Am I the only person who shuddered at the prospect of TFW
teaching her children? The woman who thinks they speak
Asian in Chinatown, and that FDR is on Mt. Rushmore?

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I'd like to see the grammar lessons. "Me and Bullyville will provide the information."

Or the geography lessons...she was excited to be in Mexico because it was the first time she was out of the United States when, in fact, she had been in Canada. Oops. Maybe she thought Canada was part of the Alaska purchase from Russia.

Sleepless In Seattle said...

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack 50s
Lacrosse today? @Kateplusmy8 Well, win or lose, I know Cara did her best! She has that #CompetitiveGene like her Mom....:) #FamilyFun\

Gladys didn't get an answer the first time, so she'll keep pestering until she does...throw in some kisses/compliments to Kate and that should do it!

FlimsyFlamsy said...

I see a great big problem with TFW giving her sons man jobs.

They. Are. Boys.

Mel said...

T....don't worry about it. It was an innocent observation....and a fair enough question....why would the boys be taking care of someone else's chickens anyway.

T said...

PJ's Momma said 93...
And again, I'm not saying YOU are speculating, just that others have taken the little data available and ran with it and created what may be outrageous scenarios.
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Don't worry PJ, I know that you're not accusing me. But after reading all of those comments, it's clear that there is some confusion regarding "chicken gate". I hope that by posting exactly what was caught on film, I can clear up some of that confusion. Anyway....she sure loves her lists and notes. I can only imagine what the ones that they didn't show say. "When wiping your hiney, USE ONLY 3 squares of toilet paper (boys) and 4 squares (for girls)".... Ha ha! But seriously, heaven help them all.

Bitchy Pants said...

Sleepless -- More like The Louisiana Purchase! (Snark)

capecodmama said...

Boy, Hannah definitely has light duty when it comes to the chores.

gabby2 said...

Thanks T for all the good detective work.

Also, giving children tasks is one thing....but I see it as a way for Krazy to further demean her children. Does anyone here really think she uses it to build up their self esteem??? Or does she use it as an opportunity to criticize them because they can not live up to her "standards".

Her berating of Collin made my hair stand on end. She was enjoying herself. She took it WAY too far. The righteous sadist. IMO

gabby2 said...

Furthermore....Kate is a Freak. WHO counts number of paper towels and sprays of windex.

Those children live in fear, period. It's in their faces. I have seen fear way too many times around their so called mother. Just not NORMAL.

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

Has anyone had the misfortune to land on TLC's "Buying Naked?" Tonight's featured event is nude bowling.
No, I'm not watching, ,although it would be fun to watch the participants running around trying to find their balls.

Ex Nurse said...

Sheri said...
If I'm paying public school taxes but not having my child in school full time, why shouldn't she be able to take advantage of the resources offered by our local schools?

Deciding to homeschool doesn't mean you're anti-school. It's not so black and white.
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Paying school taxes has nothing to do with whether you have children attending. It is a cost that is shared by all taxpayers, to ensure that all children have access to education.

I have no opinion on whether homeschooling is right or wrong. However, homeschooling and private schools does, IMO, drain many of the most able children and functional parents from public schools, leaving the most difficult to educate, and therefore the most expensive, populations to the public schools. Schools also receive state funding based on a per child basis. So if a homeschooler is not enrolled, then they are using the resources of the enrolled students--unless the state provides partial funding.

OrangeCrusher1 said...

Re : chore chart. She is one crazy and obsessive freak. I paper towel! 4 squirts of Windex! And yes, they have waay too much to do on a daily basis. Nothing wrong with chores, but this is effing nuts.

And these are the children who are too young to pour a bowl of cereal, do not have free access to snacks and are served a half a sandwich? More effing nuts.

Today my daughter was laughing about her 1 year old who apparently ate a whole In 'N Out burger. And she's a petite girl.

Beyond Disgusted said...

Well, it didn't take long for that chore list to show up on Kate's TL.

NJGal51 said...

@PatriciaChow1: @Kateplusmy8 Jon must have his kids today, you're not on twitter ?
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Wow...isn't this one a fan?

njay said...

Or is your objection just that these children are learning at home in a safe, loving environment instead of an institutionalized setting?
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Please confirm that by saying "these children" you mean the G8, or all children home schooled. I don't want to comment if I am not 100 percent sure of what is being said, even though I"m pretty sure of the answer.

Sleepless In Seattle said...

@PatriciaChow1: @Kateplusmy8 Jon must have his kids today, you're not on twitter ?
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Wow...isn't this one a fan?

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I haven't quite figured that one out. She once tweeted that she's a fan of the kids, but she certainly does some digging at Kate.

Future Nurse said...

FlimsyFlamsy said... 98
I see a great big problem with TFW giving her sons man jobs.

They. Are. Boys.
___________________
I have a great big problem with her always dividing the kids by sexes and determining what they should/shouldn't do based on their sexes. She is completely sexist.

My son is the same age as the younger kids. His chores everyday are to sweep the kitchen and hallway and clean up after himself. The other night he made dinner for the first time (almost) completely by himself. I supervised and helped him drain a big, hot pot and pull a pan out of the hot oven. I guess maybe he won't grow up to be manly because I don't give him "man" chores. How completely and utterly ridiculous.

Future Nurse said...

capecodmama said... 102

Boy, Hannah definitely has light duty when it comes to the chores.
______________________
The boys have individual chores and then ones addressed for all the boys. Oh and the chickens. The whole chore list seems pretty unbalanced. I bet it causes a lot of resentment. I don't see why chores can't be rotated. And what in the world is Inspector Gadget (listed under Hannah)?

One more thought on the chores...They're old enough for "man chores" now when not too long ago they were wearing bibs and using highchairs. (I can't remember how long ago they stopped doing those things, but it doesn't seem like it was that long ago.) Doesn't really make sense to jump from highchairs to man chores.

Beyond Disgusted said...

Who wrote the chore chart? Kate? If so, wouldn't she have spelled her son's name correctly? Isn't it Collin?

Jeanne said...

I could rant about home schooling for a while but I will refrain. However, Admin, you are wrong about one thing. There are states with NO rules for home schooling. You don't have to submit lesson plans or follow a curriculum or even teach your children anything at all. Other states have varying rules. In most cases there is a lot of leeway for the parents to decide what the children should learn. I knew someone who moved 2000 miles because she wanted a state that would never ask a question about her home schooling.

Bill said...

I did the "unthinkable"...

...went to Barnes and Noble to get my periodic fix of puzzle and hobby magazines when I decided to thumb through Kate's cookbook to see just how "exploitive" it is or is not. No private information disclosed that I can tell (I did not read it, just glanced at every page.) There are some pictures of the kids; the only one even slightly questionable at all is one with the tups sitting on their diving board in their swimsuits. There were no more than about 25 kid pictures which were obviously taken just for the book, so the workload on the kids for the project was probably less than filming a single episode of their show.

Well, it stuck to my fingers so I paid for it and brought it home. At full list price.

When I came to this blog, I was straddling the fence between the fan and non-fan view of the situation. I do not approve of everything that Kate does nor do I disapprove of everything she does. After becoming thoroughly disgusted by the behavior of the haters in chickengate, I find myself much more willing to give Kate the benefit of a doubt. See what you have made me do? I hope you are happy with yourselves.

Bill said...

T said... 100

Don't worry PJ, I know that you're not accusing me. But after reading all of those comments, it's clear that there is some confusion regarding "chicken gate". I hope that by posting exactly what was caught on film, I can clear up some of that confusion. Anyway....she sure loves her lists and notes. I can only imagine what the ones that they didn't show say. "When wiping your hiney, USE ONLY 3 squares of toilet paper (boys) and 4 squares (for girls)".... Ha ha! But seriously, heaven help them all.


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You did nothing wrong. It was actually an interesting and enjoyable discussion until the train wrecked. And thank you for transcribing the chore list; that was a whole lot of typing.

3 or 4 squares is a whole lot better than one ala Sheryl Crow.

Bill said...

T said... 89

[Note: there is a handwritten piece of paper attached to the top left corner. I THINK it says " chicken in school ____" (last word is hard to read, may be either sleigh/pledge/fridge???)]


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play? Kate tweeted a picture of a mask for a school play.

Bill said...

Formerly Duped said... 81

Does anyone know #1. if the G kids will attend the same school for high school? I know if goes up to Gr 12 but are there other options they might consider?


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The following is pure speculation on my part, nothing more and nothing less:

Someone said that the tuition increases in the upper grades. Unless the cost gets to be more than Kate is willing to pay or the kids gang together and refuse to spend a couple of hours each day on a bus, I can see no reason she would switch.

Bill said...

gabby2 said... 64

When the kids visit their father...who exactly does care for chickens? And when it is freezing cold outside, who has to go out there to care for farm animals by themselves?


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No kids, no need for a nanny? Or is it show up anyway and do all of the kids' chores?

Bill said...

lukebandit said... 59

I did tweet about the chickens, but I only tweeted 2 or 3 to kate and milo only. In one tweet, I asked about on Forrest's website there were 4 valuable employees (after naming working family members and another employee or employees) and I said I wonder if those valuable employees are kate and the boys.


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IMO, connecting "employees" and "Kate and the boys," even in jest, is adding fuel to the fire.

Bill said...

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said... 56

Have any of you left this page open on your computer, gone to read another website or to do something else and all a sudden an ad starts blaring out of your speakers? That's happened 5 times to me in two days. As soon as I close this site the voice goes away. Man, does that piss me off! Since I'm here alone it's scared the sh*t out of me if I'm in another room and all of a sudden I hear a man's voice in my house.


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Opera is my browser and that has never happened to me.

I configured the toolbar to include a button to toggle plug-ins on or off. I usually run with them off as the most obnoxious ads are implemented with Flash. I only click it on to view some of the videos on YouTube which require it (most do not.) Or the few websites which use it for navigation - thankfully going the way of the dodo since iOS does not do Flash.

I just tried to take one for the team by testing that hypothesis - clicked plug-ins on and reloaded this page. Still nothing. I'll scratch the ole noggin some more...

Bill said...

Anonymous said... 36

I assume the defective detective didn't buy "the" cookbook. In looking at K's timeline I noticed a tweet from her where she mentions the famous homemade egg custard with fresh raspberried and asks, "Recipe in your cookbook?"


bm


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No egg custard recipe in the book.

Bill said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 35

I know a family with two very bright kids who homeschool and it's funny because they "take the kids to school" even though it's "homeschool". They gather with a bunch of other kids and learn together I guess. It's really not homeschool but it's not a public or private school either.


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Instead of each parent teaching every subject, each one takes a specialty teaching a subset of the subjects to all of the kids in the "school."

Bill said...

Teacher Respect said... 33

Sounds like an interesting read. I am not unfamiliar with the many problems in our public school education system. (Nor am I teacher, by the way.) That does mean that home schooling is "the" answer, nor does it mean that every parent is equipped to teach.


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My parents (immigrants) were very smart in their own ways, but they did not have much formal education. By the time I was in seventh grade, there were increasingly more subjects beyond their knowledge. They could not have successfully homeschooled me.

I am a product of public schools and my education was fine, in fact great. I earned a degree at the #1 university in the world according to one recent list, and I am not talking about the party school list. But that was many years ago and it can be expected that my public school and today's public school may be very different.

When I graduated college, I sent an announcement to each of the public schools I had attended bearing the sentence, "Thank you for helping me get here." I do not know of anyone else doing that, but I was extremely appreciative of the job they had done for me.

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The home school movement is inherently elitist and mainly appeals to middle class, White folk, with a significant overrepresentation of fundamentalist Christians. The single mom working two jobs to put food on the table cannot home school. How about we continue to work to transform public education so that ALL children have the chance to receive a quality education?

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There are powerful forces at work, school boards, administrators and teacher unions, defending their turf and resisting badly needed reforms.

Bill said...

Millicent said... 11

I do believe however, that the silver lining is that those boys will probably be fairly self sufficient as adults. They've been made to do a lot of the work around that house. They've also learned other coping skills and survival skills. Hopefully they'll seek counseling or therapy once grown, just to help them sort through the many issues of being raised by a narcissist.


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One of which may be not wanting a woman in their life. Really sad to contemplate.

Bill said...

Mel said... 12

I think the rule should be that you can't call the boss role until you've done the other two roles once each. Or maybe two times each. And then you will have *earned* boss role. Not just called it.

Doesn't seem right that you get to be the boss without ever having done the chores yourself.


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Amen to that!

When one of the girls is assigned the boss role, is one of the boys assigned her chores or does he get a day off? It appears the boss assignment is a form of reward for the girls, either because it is considered to be an easy job or a welcome break from monotony. If a boy gets a day off, the three of them will eventually wise up and request a girl boss every day.

Bill said...

Layla said... 180

The situation with Pioneer Woman if different. Her children are learning to run a ranch that will someday be theirs. Her ranch has been passed down in her husband's family for generations, and it will go to her children someday. Does anyone think TFW is going to move out and leave the G house to the kids when they are grown? Not a chance! That is HER house, no matter how often she claims it belongs to the kids.


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I am confused. Is the Pioneer Woman going to move out and let the kids have the ranch when they are grown? I do not see a difference from Kate.

Bill said...

localyocul said... 159

The littles only have 1/2 worth of homework?


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They were in 2nd grade at the time? I doubt they even had as much as one half hour very often.

Bill said...

Formerly Duped said... 105

and Collin had an astronaut graphic blue Tee.


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Any indication whether Collin likes astronauts or if it was just an attractive shirt design for him? If he is an astronut, Kate missed a great opportunity by not being nice at DWTS. She could have arranged an autographed photo of, a telephone call from or even a face-to-face meeting with Buzz Aldrin and be that kid's really cool Mom.

I got to meet Buzz a few years ago and it was AWESOME! He was one of my childhood heroes.

MamaC said...

Does anyone recall the episode where J&K are moving from their former house and Kate is standing in her empty kitchen of (I think) the old house? Anyway the camera person or one of the TLC daddies, points out there is water on the floor. She grabs a roll of paper towels and unwinds about a third of the roll(complete overkill) to wipe up a tiny bit of water. My guess would be the kids are only allowed to use one sheet, because the free paper towels ended. Or she has no self control and so she MUST control what they do. Either way she is nuts.

Bill said...

PA Dutch Mom said... 102

That's how we were all raised, and that's how it's done in our family. I think that's rather common around here. Everything is served family style on the table.


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Thankfully, the kids get to experience of eating family style with Jon. Hope that he is teaching them etiquette starting with "Please pass the potatoes" instead of reaching across the table.

Bill said...

Lalalalala said... 98

Oh my gosh, I just have to laugh about Kate's food control. The weekends for us was a time of sleeping in when the kids were very young. I would hear my son get up around 7:00am who was 4-years-old at the time. He immediately went into his sister's bedroom who was 3. He'd wake her up, sit her at the breakfast table and pour a bowl of cereal for each of them. We could hear him take the milk out of the refrigerator and pour the milk in the bowls. Then he would get their special plastic glasses and pour juice. They always had the funniest conversations during this little breakfast meeting that was just between the two of them. My husband and I had to cover our mouths so they couldn't hear us laughing.


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I will bet big bucks those two will stay close and always enjoy gossiping over a meal.

Bill said...

Bitchy Pants said... 94

I agree with whomever upthread said that TFMJG had something to hide and that is why she wanted Jon spied upon and freaked over his (maybe) taking papers from the house. He's been forbidden entrance into the sacred kingdom for 4 years. The only time he could have searched for and taken papers was during and very shortly after the divorce. He'd have been a fool NOT to look for papers pertaining to marital assets. Despite some people wanting to portray Jon as stupid, I don't think he is. Passive, yes. Easy going, definitely. Stupid -- no way.


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I have no idea whether Jon and Robert were smart enough to have planned this, but the way things turned out was the best result they could have gotten.

If Jon had given Robert the backup disc, they could not later deny that had happened without committing perjury. But if Jon was sure Kate would throw out everything he did not take when he moved out, he could have intentionally left the disc behind knowing it will soon be in trash where Robert can legally get it.

TLC stinks said...

No wonder the kids were wailing in the van (remember the crying caught on film at the gate when Jon was dropping them off?). If I lived with those extreme rules, I would not want to go back either. My God, the woman is sick, sick, sick.

Thank goodness they have a normal existence when visiting their dad. Can you imagine if ALL they knew was their mother's world? So at least there is hope. I grew up in not the greatest home environment but when I visited friends and saw what normalcy was, it helped so much.

I was aghast that TLC would put her back on TV, but they did the kids and Jon a favor. I see the evidence mounting for Jon that a psych evaluation is a reasonable request from a concerned parent. Anyone ever experience something like this where the parent with primary custody is a nut case?

Bill said...

Jeanne said... 88

The only way for kids to not waste food/put the right amount on their plates is for them to learn by trying. When kids are toddlers you put food on the plate for them and cut it up. As they get older, you pass them a dish and let them take some. Some meals they will take too much and waste it. You talk to them calmly about it. (Then like most parents you eat their leftovers as your own second serving so it's not wasted anyway.) After a few months of trial and error, they learn. The Gosselins should have learned this years ago. She stunts their growth in so many ways. I feel so bad for them going hungry with those tiny portions.


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Kids do not all like the same things; kids do not dislike the same things. With eight, there is a decent chance for a balance. If something should prove to be popular and the kids fight over it, make a bigger batch the next time.

But with Kate, it is a control thing.

Katykat said...

I certainly hope Mady/Cara are responsible for their own bathrooms now that they're reaching puberty. No 10 year old boy should have to deal w/ that.

Bill said...

Future Nurse said... 65

I always liked Kevin & Jodi. They were always around to help whether with the kids or projects around the house. They both seemed to genuinely love the all the Gosselins - kids and adults.


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Same here. Likewise for Beth.

Bill said...

Millicent said... 50

I have never owned a gun, nor plan to do so. My son never got a BB gun. My rule is: If either of us see what appears to be a weapon lying on the ground somewhere, stop, call 911 to report it, and above all else - don't touch the damn thing. Leave it to the professionals.


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You have the right to choose not to own guns. Someone who wants one has the right to that too. Freedom is good.

We all have a motivation to protect children. The current approach is to teach do not touch and tell a responsible adult.

Years ago, there was a shocking investigative report on TV; it may have been on 20/20.

They gave some kids the usual don't touch and tell an adult lesson. Then the kids were turned loose to play unsupervised in a room with hidden cameras and an unloaded gun planted in a toy box. Soon, one kid finds the gun and announces it presence. One or two kids parrot, "Don't touch! We need to tell someone."

But the others flock around as kid after kid picks up and manipulates the weapon. One shocking scene had one kid looking into the barrel as he worked the trigger. Even though I knew the gun was not loaded, I had chills running down my spine at that moment.

I now think a different approach is needed to gunsafe our kids. Let the kid handle an unloaded gun so they realize that it is just a machine. Get rid of that "forbidden fruit" fascination.

Then let them shoot first a BB, then .22 rifle so that they understand the danger a gun may pose. Eye and ear protection, please. Finish the lesson by having an adult shoot something like a pumpkin with a larger caliber.

Drive home the fact that a gun can do major damage. Respect the power of that machine. Unlike what some cartoons might say, a gunshot does not merely blacken the head, allowing the victim to recover and go on with the story.

Dad kept his rifle in a soft case in the hallway closet. We were told to leave it alone under penalty of severeness. We stayed away. I have yet to hold that gun.

I stick to my original point. It is beneficial to know how to safely unload a gun.

TLC stinks said...

If Robert's family source is correct and Kate is bipolar, in PA if she refuses to take medication and seek counseling, can Jon be awarded legal and physical custody?

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Anyone have the latest sales figure for RH's book? At the rate it
has been going, he may outsell the cookbook before the end of
the month.

I know some of us have been disappointed that he hasn't had any
publicity to help sell more copies - TV/radio interviews, book
signings, etc. But there's something to be said for letting the
message sell the book, and not the messenger. For any fans
who were convinced that RH thought this was his ticket to
fame and fortune, this low profile supports the idea that he
was more than anything determined to get the truth out,
and somehow help those kids.

TLC stinks said...

Side note. Kate's grandmother recently passed away. Anyone think she or the kids will attend the funeral?

Edythe Irene Robinson Kreider was welcomed into Heaven by her Lord and Savior on July 9, 2014. Edythe, aged 87, was born on September 8, 1926 in Sissonville, West Virginia to the late John and Icie Robinson. She was one of eight children.
Edythe moved to Hershey, Pennsylvania where she met her loving husband of 66 years, Clair E. Kreider. She was blessed with two children; Kenton Kreider and his wife Charlene of Hershey and daughter Karol Kreider Saner and her husband Edward of Virginia Beach, Virginia. Edythe was the proud grandmother of 8 grandchildren and great-grandmother of 25 great-grandchildren and will be missed by all. She leaves behind one sister, Justine Abbot of Charleston, West Virginia and many nieces and nephews who will cherish her memory.

A memorial service will be held at 5pm on Thursday, July 17, 2014 in the Miller-Sekely Funeral Home & Crematory of Elizabethtown, with Pastor Bob Sproul officiating. Burial will be at 11:00am Friday in Shenk's Cemetery.
Visitation will be from 4pm until 5pm on Thursday in the funeral home.

Formerly Duped said...

Wow, how many bathrooms in that house!! The chore chart listed 3 downstairs and Kate said there is one off each of the 5 bedrooms and there must be one in the garage apt! Do the boys have to do ALL of them? I would think the older girls would do their own since Kate made a big fuss in the Manual about no one going to the twins' bedroom- ever.

Formerly Duped said...

future Nurse: Inspector Gadget is the indoor "Boss" who checks if all the chores are done correctly. No surprise it is listed under Hannah's name.
also I think this encourages tattling which all the girls seem to be adept at.The more I see and hear, the more I like the boys! They are cute, smart, chummy with one another and seem like individuals. Don't know about Collin's 'anger' or his insults Kate claimed are so common when she 'talked' to him, but I didn't hear her scolding any girl but Mady.

TLC stinks said...

Back in 2009 there were some pap photos of an elderly couple visiting the kids on the grounds if the McMansion. I believe they were misidentified as Kate's parents. They were most likely Edythe "Irene" and Clair Kreider. I know what Kate's mother, Charlene looks like. There is a very strong resemblance between her and her daughters.

Vanessa said...

So the twins only have to unload/load the dishwasher??
She's one sick puppy

TLC stinks said...

Here's an old Reading Eagle article I never read:

http://www2.readingeagle.com/article.aspx?id=140509

Insurance to pay for Angie’s visits is running out, and the Gosselins hope a nonprofit agency can donate about $25,000 to pay for her services another year.

By then, the twins would be in kindergarten and Kate said she could handle the babies during the day.

“We can’t afford to pay for her, yet I can’t do this by myself,” Kate said of Angie. “To remove her would be like removing one arm.”

People sometimes ask why the couple doesn’t use more volunteers instead of a nurse.

Teaching the daily routine and household rules to many people is exhausting, Kate said.

“A million things change in a week,” she said. “It’s a stability thing.”

The sextuplets eat from a supply of baby food donated by Gerber and they sleep in cribs provided by Delta Enterprises.

A year’s supply of diapers from Giant Food Stores will end soon.

Kate, a registered nurse at Reading Hospital before the sextuplets were born, expects to go back to work eventually.

“I know that reality will set in, and once the donations wear off I know I have to go back to work,” she said. “I’m
praying for just one more year. Just until they’re toddlers. I think it would be easier for them.”

Jonathan was out of work much of the past year, and the family also had to bear the death of his father, Dr. Thomas J. Gosselin, a pediatric dentist in Wyomissing.

Before Jonathan was hired in January as an information technology specialist in the governor’s office, the family paid many bills with checks sent by well-wishers.

The Gosselins plan to move closer to Harrisburg next summer to cut the cost of Jonathan’s commute. He spends about $300 a month on gasoline.

Despite the financial difficulties and months of unemployment, Jonathan said he relished the time at home with his young family.

“I wouldn’t have traded that for a million dollars,” he said.

Formerly Duped said...

Bill: In one episode Kate mentioned Buzz Aldrin but the boys only had heard of Buzz Lightyear...she missed a great teaching moment and yes, it would have been cool for the kids to meet a real astronaut.

I think the chores are rotated somewhat. For example, Alexis and Collin fed Shoka on the special, and on CWS one of the girl tups, not Aaden, set the table in a surly manner. Alexis also swept the floor with a little dustpan. I agree, the twins and Hannah do get off lightly.

TLC stinks said...

I guess this wasn't good enough for Kate:

Mr. Gosselin, who wore six hospital wristbands to the news conference, said the family's church, Calvary Bible Fellowship Church, in Sinking Spring, had offered to pay to expand the family's home. Various corporations have also made donations, he said.

"Our church is behind us 100 percent. We have everything material taken care of," said Gosselin, an information technologies director for a petroleum equipment company, near Reading.

http://www.becomehealthynow.com/mira2_front/printpage.php?id=1188

(FYI, at the time Kate's father's church)

Mel said...

Let's see....my boys need some 'man' chores. What shall I do?
I know! I'll order 50 chickens for them to care for!

Yeah. That makes so much sense. Make your supposedly already busy, complicated life even busier and more complicated just so your boys can have some 'man' chores.

And I really don't get why they should have to clean the bathrooms off the girls' bedrooms. What about the bathroom off TFW's room? Do they have to clean that one too? Yuck! She seems like she's quite the slob.

lukebandit said...

Robert's book, as of 9 am CST this morning has sold 1,368 books. Avg. 68.4 books per day. June sales in the US were 482 for 7 days. July sales in the US are 732 in 13 days. I think it will sell at least 2K by the end of the month.

I would like to know if anyone knows how many cookbooks she sold in total or a link to find out. I know it is so close. TIA.

Mel said...

She said on the special that she never set out to be super mom. But isn't that what she's always hawking? That she's mom to 8 kids? Watch her manage her 8 kids?

TLC stinks said...

http://www2.readingeagle.com/article.aspx?id=140681

Good op ed piece about how Gosselins grew too big for their britches. May, 2009

But we don't have the national exposure they seem to want or need. And we don't pay. And TLC keeps them under wraps. So they don't talk with us. But, at one time, they did.

localyocul said...

Bill said... 129
localyocul said... 159

The littles only have 1/2 worth of homework?

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They were in 2nd grade at the time? I doubt they even had as much as one half hour very often.

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Really??? I don't know why I can't seem to post an opinion or observation about anything without getting attacked lately.

My kid is in PUBLIC school and had at least 1 hour of homework since Kindergarten. In fact, in Elementary school they were expected to do at least 1/2 hour of DEAR (Drop Everything And Read) time every night. That was in addition to the math/science/spelling etc. So YES my kid had over 1/2 hour of homework virtually every night. Get over yourself.

lukebandit said...

Bill, did you see the picture of her son, Joel, with Sloppy Joe sauce spread all over tis mouth with that forced smile like he was enjoying it? Also, the name of the recipe!

Very Sloppy JOELS. HOW can a mother be so cruel to embarrass their child like this and publish a picture of it? He must of taken a lot of teasing from it. We have discussed the cookbook, aka, crookbook extensively.

Her instructions are all over the place, the sodium content off the charts, you need an industrial can opener to last for years from opening cans for the recipes.

When you get a chance go to a dollar store and get I Just Want You To Know, letters that kate wrote to each child berating them, embarrassing them. The 8 little faces is a photo album that a 4th grader could of done a better job with.

She will exploit, exploit and exploit these kids until her last breath on earth. I think she thinks she is powerful enough to do it beyond the grave.

Paul Crouch Sr., CEO of the Trinity Broadcast Network said with his fist in the air, said he would rule his channel from the grave. He had what he wanted done in his will, IF and when he died. Well, he did finally. I wonder how that is working out for him. I was horrified by his arrogance as well as kate's.

lukebandit said...

Is this the same grandmother that kate would make grandmas soup or soups? And is this the same grandparents that she talked about on a DJ show about their dentures?

I knew it wouldn't be long a year or two ago that she would be face with a funeral to go to due to elderly relatives or sudden death. Because life goes on. I wonder if she will go or take M and C, or all of the kids.

Oh, my goodness. I just looked at my activity calendar and the funeral is onThursday and on my schedule it says at 2pm, Singing with Steve. I wonder if she will ask Steve to go with her if she decides to go?

TLC stinks said...

No number on hard copies or kindle copies sold, but her cookbook is rated Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #278,007 Paid in Kindle Store.

Robert is at #553 Paid in Kindle Store! He's cleaning her clock!!!!!!!!

NJGal51 said...

Lets not start bathroomgate now. The chore chart says nothing about the boys having to clean the bathrooms off the girls' bedrooms.

Boys- bathroom checks after dinner. Aaden- BASEMENT Colin – BY LAUNDRY ROOM Joel-BY FRONT DOOR

TLC stinks said...

I know I used to read to my kids every night after they were tucked in. Sounds to me like they are expected to be in bed, lights out, promptly at 7:30. No reading from an adult. How can you inspire that love of reading if they are not exposed to it by an adult?

Homework time is different for every kid, teacher and school. She should allow more time for homework, regardless. From the way she expresses herself and her lack of basic history, I'd guess she was not all that great of a student herself and so she does not prioritize the schoolwork.

You know what galled me? Didn't Steve help Cara build that pasta bridge? No issue with a parent helping, just do not take over the project and don't pretend to be a father to a child that already has one.

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

NJGal51 said... 158
Lets not start bathroomgate now. The chore chart says nothing about the boys having to clean the bathrooms off the girls' bedrooms.

Boys- bathroom checks after dinner. Aaden- BASEMENT Colin – BY LAUNDRY ROOM Joel-BY FRONT DOOR
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Somewhere I read that Kate said the boys cleaned the bathrooms because they made the biggest messes.

Kate is slap dash about everything she says, be it tweets, gossip TV interviews. blog entries or couch interviews. Nothing is consistent, ever. Oh, well, she IS consistent that the kids scream with delight when they see a film crew, want to continue filming and the film crew is the same people they've had since the beginning. Other than that, she's a walking, talking contradiction.

Controlling much? said...

Holy mother of controlling behaviour!!! Did anyone freeze to see what was written on the checklist for the chicken coop(in part one)? It's things like
"Cracked eggs :Yes/No"
"Water leaked on the ground : Yes/No'
"Food spilled around the floor : Yes/No (if yes clean up or something similar it's not clear)
"Food: half filled :Yes/No"

I have no words, what is this??? This is ridiculous, this is so controlling and strict I am afraid it might have sucked the fun out of the chore for the boys. Jesus Christ, poor children.WTH is wrong with that woman???

TLC stinks said...

lukebandit, I have no idea if she was referring to her father's parents or her mother's. I believe her maternal grandparents died in 2005 and 2006. There was article in the Reading Herald, before they got their grifted 15 passenger van, that they had to use their mini van and a borrowed van with all the children to visit her maternal grandparents in 2005. I think they were very elderly.

It will be interesting to see if she acknowledges the passing or brings herself to attend the service with her parents present. Terrible shame how that family has been torn apart. I also read somewhere that perhaps why there is the estrangement is that her parents disapproved of them having the multiples. Remember, Kate said she does not judge them (cough, cough ), so they should not judge her. She also said (and Jon said too) they did know how to help. I think it was about she wanted money from them, not getting donated items or the church helping them enlarge their home at the time. I think she wanted a bigger house because another article said they were moving closer to Jon's work with the excuse the commute was costly for him.

Bitchy Pants said...

localyocal -- I agree. The school I volunteer at isn't a public school (it's parochial), but the lower grades have more than 1/2 hour of homework daily. Even the kindergartners have 20 minutes or so. By the time the kids hit the 3rd grade (which the younger 6 just completed), they have an hour or more of homework a night, including independent reading. I work mostly with kindergarten and first grade, so I don't know what the upper grades have (our school goes from pre-K through 8th grade), but my neighbor has a granddaughter who just finished the 6th grade in the local public schools and she said the DGD had 2 - 3 hours of schoolwork a night.

NJGal51 said...

localyocul - Mine want to public school also and had at least 1 hour of homework every day except Fridays. My bully even had homework when he went to obedience training and canine good citizen training. LOL!

NJGal51 said...

Tweet - I do remember that she said she makes the boys clean the bathrooms but I took that to mean the community bathrooms and not every bathroom in the house. The chore chart kind of bears that out for me. I'm sure that the girls don't even want them in their bathrooms. JMO of the bathroom cleaning thing.

Formerly Duped said...

NJGal51 said... 158
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I think there was a room cleaning section in the Manual. So I would assume that would include the bathrooms off bedrooms. And of course no one can go to M and C's private suite. The boys I think clean the 'public' area bathrooms plus their own?

I was commenting on the sheer number of bathrooms apparently in the house- I forget the number mentioned originally.


TLC Stinks:
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She says goodnight to the kids in the kitchen so I guess there's no reading to them or listening to them read. Except of course that staged picture of the tup girls reading IJWYTK where it looked like they were only at the index. And a staged one of everyone with a book in the globegate room. Lights out at 8 PM- maybe they read in bed- but with 3 in each room they would have to be self-disciplined for the quiet necessary for individual books.Or maybe the homework helper supervises reading?

NJGal51 said...

"Water leaked on the ground : Yes/No'
"Food spilled around the floor : Yes/No (if yes clean up or something similar it's not clear)
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If the chicken food (feed?) spilled on the floor wouldn't the chickens eat it off the floor? Failing that wouldn't the barn rats/mice eat it? Also, if you spill the water why cop to it. It will dry. Unless she means is the water thing (I don't know what to call it for chickens...trough?) leaking. In that case she probably should know so it can be repaired/replaced.

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

NJGal51 said... 167

If the chicken food (feed?) spilled on the floor wouldn't the chickens eat it off the floor? Failing that wouldn't the barn rats/mice eat it? Also, if you spill the water why cop to it. It will dry. Unless she means is the water thing (I don't know what to call it for chickens...trough?) leaking. In that case she probably should know so it can be repaired/replaced.
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Kate says she wants the house to look like no one lives there (instructions to nanny) when the day is done.

Maybe she wants the chicken coop to look like no chickens live in their coop?

Layla said...

Lukebandit (151),

I went to Novelrank and added up TFW's total sales for the last year. In hard cover, she sold a total of 1429. In Kindle she sold 267, for a total of 1696. IN A YEAR. No way to tell what sold on other sites, but an author who posted here last year said the majority of sales comes from Amazon. I believe she said one-third to one-half that number normally comes from other venues. So, maybe 2500?

Robert has sold 1368 copies of his book so far. At this rate he should sell as many books in about 6 weeks as Kate sold of her cookbook in a year, including the number she sold on other sites. And he is only selling in Kindle format and only on Amazon, with no big media tour. Hee-hee, and Milo claimed the cookbook was HOT! Yet, according to her, Robert's book "fizzled". The numbers don't lie, Milo, even when you do! Robert, we want hard copy!

foxy said...

On CWS when Mady said all she has known is work, she also said you had to do things Kate's way and no other way. Her way was the only way and do not argue. Even though the result would be the same.

My kids went to Public school as well. They had at least 3 hours of homework and in the summer vacation months they had to read 8 books and make a report on them. All of them went to wonderful colleges ( 1 went to Harvard) and are quite self sufficient. It is what you put into your education and not a matter of private school is better than public.

Granny in Nebraska said...

So the boys only get to use three sheets of toilet paper and the girls get to use four sheets. Kate is such a sexist!
(Snark)

Layla said...

Bill (128)
If you have watched Pioneer Woman's show, you will see that there are multiple dwellings on the property. She normally cooks for the show in the lodge rather than the main house.

JR said...

Looks like Kate is at a Lax. tournament ...God shes so lazy... she can't even walk....the Queen..Pic on twitter

Midnight Madness said...

Holy mother of controlling behaviour!!!

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I know! Chores are one thing, but issuing directions about one paper towel and how much Windex to spray is just mind-boggling. Who does that? It will be a miracle if these kids reach adulthood without some very serious issues of OCD, stress, eating disorders, fear of using too much toilet paper, tracking one leaf into the house, etc. I don't think I've ever seen anything like this. My gosh -- these kids just can't be kids. They are like miniature versions of herself. These children must live in fear of doing something that will set her off.

url said...

I don't understand why her boys are responsible for the welfare of this farmer's chickens. Considering that at least half the chickens aren't even TFW's chickens, how would the boys know if 50 chickens are well or not? The boys are not vets and neither is TFW, but at least she is a former nurse. It seems to me that she should be checking on the health of the chickens and not her sons. She'll just guilt them for any undetected illnesses or deaths for not only their own chickens, but worse for the Forrest chickens. I don't care what she is getting in return from this farmer for taking care of a few of his many chickens, she should be responsible for the care of the farmer's chickens and not her sons. She's just a POS.

And I'm not the other URL that argues about Sandusky, home schooling or stirs crap with admin. I haven't posted in quite some time. If that URL wants the caps, I'll post in lower case, but I've been posting much longer than that URL has.

Anonymous said...

If she does attend her grandmother's funeral on Thursday, I hope she doesn't wear one of her hooker outfits. Show some respect, cover up those 'girls'.

bm

JR said...

If she went to the funeral...wouldn't she have to face her whole family??

Formerly Duped said...

In the Manual she said "I like to run my house the way I like to run my house." ( or similar) I thought it was the kids' house?? Guess not.

Wonder why she does not use the label maker more instead of the Post-it notes- you know, the one that made her have an org**m- her first one , lol.

FYI said...

I went to Novelrank and added up TFW's total sales for the last year. In hard cover, she sold a total of 1429. In Kindle she sold 267, for a total of 1696.
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Layla--I did the same thing, but got different totals than yours, which are even less. I got that she sold 1304 hardcover, and 134 kindle for a total of 1438 for last year.

For those that want to check Kate's sales, here are the links. To check last year's sales, go to the chart and where it shows "30 days", click the drop down menu and select last year, then update the chart.

Hardcover
http://www.novelrank.com/asin/0757317642

Kindle
http://www.novelrank.com/asin/B00FAUJA0G

BTW, Robert sold 77 books yesterday. Doesn't look like the book is "fizzling".

gabby2 said...

" (except when I have to haul 300 pounds of chicken feed down to the barn about every 5 weeks or so!)!"


So now we know what the tractor was for. (I am sure she never carried anything herself anyway).

And will she ever allow the boys to be in sports? Sounding doubtful.

TLC stinks said...

I have a theory about something. Dr. Gosselin died January, 2005. From what I read, he was generous to Kate and Jon, buying them their first home and giving them money every month. I bet that Jon's mother cut that off and Kate may have gone begging to her parents. They said no so that could have been the final straw for her, as in "they don't know how to help."

TLC stinks said...

Geez, I cannot imagine her showing up at the funeral with her "bodyguard". Who needs that kind of crap at a funeral!

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

JR said... 173
Looks like Kate is at a Lax. tournament ...God shes so lazy... she can't even walk....the Queen..Pic on twitter
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If that's not Jon in the golf cart it's his identical twin. WTF?

PA Dutch Mom said...

They were in 2nd grade at the time? I doubt they even had as much as one half hour very often.

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Oh, yes. they did!

"Someone said that the tuition increases in the upper grades. Unless the cost gets to be more than Kate is willing to pay or the kids gang together and refuse to spend a couple of hours each day on a bus, I can see no reason she would switch."

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That is true. Tuition increases with grade levels. If she's not willing to pay that much, and doesn't want to send them to public school, there are other less expensive options if she wants to go the private school route. There's MCC, from which she graduated; Lancaster County Christian; Dayspring, among others. Lancaster Mennonite High School is excellent, and is not exclusively for those in that faith. Kate could never homeschool those children. She doesn't have the patience, teaching skills, or book knowledge to do so.

That's all in the future, though, and I just can't see her transferring those kids elsewhere right now, especially since they've adapted to their current school community. At some point they might not even be living in their current home and who knows where that move would take them. Nothing is set in concrete.

FYI said...

Are my eyes deceiving me or is that Jon driving the golf cart that Kate is in? Has Hell officially frozen over?

https://twitter.com/mnollen/status/488345968249544705/photo/1

TLC stinks said...

She won't go to the funeral, IMO. And I hope someone tweets her and asks because I think it is disgraceful not to go. She has no excuse. She would rather keep herself and those kids locked up behind those gates than face her family. Those poor kids and all those aunts, uncles and cousins they don't know well or at all. Shameful.

TLC stinks said...

Where's the tweet pic?

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

Kate is a twit said... 185
Are my eyes deceiving me or is that Jon driving the golf cart that Kate is in? Has Hell officially frozen over?
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I know! I can't believe it.

Anonymous said...

"I went to Novelrank and added up TFW's total sales for the last year. In hard cover, she sold a total of 1429. In Kindle she sold 267, for a total of 1696. IN A YEAR. No way to tell what sold on other sites, but an author who posted here last year said the majority of sales comes from Amazon. I believe she said one-third to one-half that number normally comes from other venues. So, maybe 2500?"

QUESTION: Do you think this number includes the "forced sales," i.e., the copies of the books that were handed out to TV audiences on the shows she was on. To me, these books aren't really sales. At a few hundred per show, they would fraudulently boost her sales numbers.

The Blue Angel

Vanessa said...

Teaching the daily routine and household rules to many people is exhausting, Kate said.

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Yup, the ultimate instructor. Pass the buck, give the work to someone else. PLUS give them impossible standards just so you can bitch. THIS is her one and only job, how do I get others to do my work for me.

Terri said...

NBC is holding an executive session today and this is what they had to say about celebrity Apprentice.

NBC admits they have created a season of Celebrity Apprentice but haven’t put it on their schedule. No clear answer why. #TCA2014

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

I must say, nothing like drawing attention to yourselves by riding around the LAX tournament in a golf cart.

Jen said...

Is this going to be another chicken gate? Jon driving a golf cart at a lacrosse match? Please, let's not jump to conclusions. IMO, it looks like someone from the tournament who drives a courtesy golf cart to shuttle spectators around. Having been to many of these when one of my kids was involved in summer tournaments, this is pretty typical. Also, the driver has a lanyard around his neck which most likely holds some kind of identification. Highly unlikely this is Jon.

Formerly Duped said...

Not sure if it's Jon; it well could be...but I sort of doubt it given their close proximity to one another!

As for the kids, I just don't get how they are so regimented and living in fear yet we saw them so rude and disrespectful. If it's just because they feel more relaxed & safe with the crew around , they are indeed very good actors! The eye-rolling, backtalk, complaining, boos at Kate's ideas, picking on siblings, attitude in stores, lack of manners...idk. Is the whole thing a smokescreen? The kids certainly have the 'rotten kid" role down perfectly.I really believe Kate will meet her comeuppance in the not-so-distant future with all the girls.She has also said she struggles with Collin.

NJGal51 said...

I don't think it's Jon in the golf cart.

Ex Nurse said...

Good for TFW for going to the lacrosse game, no matter what her reasons are. It is ridiculous to nit-pick everything she does. I probably would never show my face in public if I were her. It must be very uncomfortable for her, so just this once, I am giving her kudos.

Go ahead--pile on!

TLC stinks said...

That's not Jon.

NJGal51 said...

Although it looks like Jon from a distance if you enlarge the picture it doesn't really look like him. What is up with the mini dress she's wearing? Do people in PA normally dress that way for outdoor sporting events? As someone said above, it looks like someone who works for the venue and drives the courtesy cart. I've only seen the courtesy carts for the elderly and handicapped though. Does this venue have them for the lazy?

Call Me Crazy said...

Jen said... 194

IMO, it looks like someone from the tournament who drives a courtesy golf cart to shuttle spectators around.
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I agree, Jen. That guy is not Jon. It is hilarious, however, that Her Majesty has to be shuttled around at the fields. #marathonrunnermyass #wearamorecomfortablepairofshoesgoofus

gabby2 said...

Photo of Jon and Krazy looks fake. IMO

TLC stinks said...

It's a courtesy golf cart driver. Just reminds you of Jon because of the backwards ball cap. She cannot walk? She's not elderly. She's not handicapped. She's not carrying a bunch of stuff. But, hey, at least she's supporting Cara at a tournament, or just watching who Cara interacts with.

TLC stinks said...

NJGal, LOL!!

Kirkland said...

I downloaded the picture of Kate in the golf cart, then zoomed in on the driver of the cart. It is definitely NOT Jon. Again, if you look closely, you can easily tell it's not Jon.

Let's not start another rumor, please! :)

TLC stinks said...

Ex Nurse, Kate has a total lack of self-awareness. She does not care what anyone thinks, unlike us normal people who would be ashamed.

FYI said...

I doubt it's Jon too. But at first glance it sure looked like him, probably because of the backward baseball cap. I would also think the tweeter would have also mentioned Jon's name in her tweet in addition to Kate's if it were Jon.

Lanc Native said...

Bill said, "I am a product of public schools and my education was fine, in fact great. I earned a degree at the #1 university in the world according to one recent list, and I am not talking about the party school list."

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Darn. I just checked the current list, and mine is ranked at #16, and not the party school list. I feel so university-challenged, and educationally inferior. ;)

Slinking away...

Anonymous said...

Maybe she is still suffering from that "broken" foot. LOL

bm

Call Me Crazy said...

NJGal51 said... 199

I've only seen the courtesy carts for the elderly and handicapped though. Does this venue have them for the lazy?
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Ha! Apparently so, NJ. And for the perpetually deluded who think they are more important than they are. She will probably excuse it because her broken "foot" is still healing (uncomfortable footwear notwithstanding).

I am glad she is there to support her daughter, though.

Lanc Native said...

NJGal asked, " Do people in PA normally dress that way for outdoor sporting events?"

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Some do, but usually, no. It's very hot and humid, and the attire of the day is shorts (or capris) and tank tops.

Math Girl said...

Anonymous said... 190

QUESTION: Do you think this number includes the "forced sales," i.e., the copies of the books that were handed out to TV audiences on the shows she was on. To me, these books aren't really sales. At a few hundred per show, they would fraudulently boost her sales numbers.
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I also was going to comment on the books that were given away at shows. I think these were "bulk" sales and were not made from Amazon. The big unknown is how to "gross up" Amazon sales to total sales. I suspect that factor (which is just a guess) that is being used here does NOT take the bulk sales into account. So K may have gotten royalties for more books than we think, but they weren't "unforced" sales.

There are some articles about authors getting on to the best-seller lists by making bulk sales look like individual sales. Bulk sales are not generally included when determining best-seller lists. Bulk sales are often associated with authors who hold seminars or do other public speaking and sell the books at these events. If an author can buy a year's supply of these books in a single week and make them look like individual sales, they can get their book onto a best-seller list.

Lanc Native said...

I just looked at the photo. It really does look like Jon, but I can't imagine that the two of them would be within miles of each other, let alone in a golf cart. Why in the world is she wearing long sleeves? The heat index is 95. It's nasty out there.

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

Kate is a twit said... 6

The backward baseball cap did it for me, too. Still looks like him, but the idea of Kate sitting next to Jon without a furious, disgusting look on her face is too mind boggling. Guess he's Jon's doppelganger.

OrangeCrusher1 said...

So good for her for going to the tournament, but what a mess - little dress, stacked sandals and that greasy mop in a pony tail. If you wanted to be indiscreet, then don't have your special self driven around in a golf cart.

None of our business whether or not she attends her grandmother's funeral. Perhaps we could put that topic on the shelf with all the chicken speculation.

Carole said...

Do you think this number includes the "forced sales," i.e., the copies of the books that were handed out to TV audiences on the shows she was on.

The figures posted at novelrank.com are actual Amazon SALES figures. I doubt any books passed out to audiences went thru the process to register as sales at Amazon. Those given away most likely came directly from the publisher/printing house and aren't reflected in any sales figures at all.

Jillygee said...

My bet is the dude driving the golf cart is a volunteer or employee at that tournament. He is wearing a bright green shirt -typical of a vol shirt. And he has what looks like lanyard around his neck. Not Jon.

Let's throw tomatoes said...

Sorry Ex-Nurse. Kate supporting Cara at a very public tournament two years ago yes kudos! A book out about her horrible mothering and she's at a tournament , NO KUDOS. Damage Control, if nothing else she's consistent!

Public schools: check out the top 25 public and private high schools in the country with the highest SAT / ACT Scores. Number 1 = Thomas Jefferson in Virgina ( public ). Funny , I didn't know that my kids attended one of the top high schools in the country. It was just the neighborhood H.S.

Carole said...

Layla said... 180
The situation with Pioneer Woman if different. Her children are learning to run a ranch that will someday be theirs. Her ranch has been passed down in her husband's family for generations, and it will go to her children someday. Does anyone think TFW is going to move out and leave the G house to the kids when they are grown? Not a chance! That is HER house, no matter how often she claims it belongs to the kids.
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I am confused. Is the Pioneer Woman going to move out and let the kids have the ranch when they are grown? I do not see a difference from Kate.



I'm not Layla, but I agree with her comment.

PW's ranch is huge, has a number of homes to live in and the situation is IMO drastically different than TFW's - everything from family dynamics (multi-generations of family and employees currently live on ranch property) property size, work load, type of work; ie: working ranch vs house on acreage w/barn used to raise a few chickens. Apples and oranges, to me.

Bitchy Pants said...

I took a look at the pix, too. I'm pretty sure it's not Jon. This guy doesn't have as round a face and his complexion is lighter. Re TFMJG said once that she's always cold, even in the summer (caused by her icy heart, no doubt), so that's probably why she's wearing long sleeves when everyone else is sweltering in tanks and tees.

Carole said...

Chores are one thing, but issuing directions about one paper towel and how much Windex to spray is just mind-boggling. Who does that?

I understand giving clear and precise instructions to kids when they're just learning, but dang - they've been doing the same chores for how many years now? At this point they should be trusted to use the proper amount to get the job done.

I can't imagine the anxiety they must experience if they need more product than she's dictated is necessary.

Carole said...

Robert has sold 1368 copies of his book so far.

It's been mentioned a number of times that there are no sales figures for the first 7 hours Robert's book was on sale. It's possible those 7 hours were the biggest sales hours of all. One thing is known for sure - the novelrank.com sales figures are a minimum #.

lukebandit said...

TLC stinks said... 157
No number on hard copies or kindle copies sold, but her cookbook is rated Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #278,007 Paid in Kindle Store.

Robert is at #553 Paid in Kindle Store! He's cleaning her clock!!!!!!!!

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Tick. Tock. Robert. 1. Paper. Towel. 4. Squirts. of. Windex. Cleaning. ate's. Clock.

TLC stinks said...

Her legs look very skinny.

Formerly Duped said...

It looks a bit like the tube dress Kate wore to the carnival party under a sweater. I could be wrong...maybe she has a lot of those style!

lukebandit said...

JR said... 173
Looks like Kate is at a Lax. tournament ...God shes so lazy... she can't even walk....the Queen..Pic on twitter

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I haven't even looked at the picture, but I am going to take a guess...Is Steve driving her around on a moped? Re: Rock and Run Las Vegas.

ate cheating like a Rock STAR!

Berks Neighbor said...

This tourney that she is at is in NJ which explains why the one tweeter yesterday said she saw TFW and Kelly Ripa in the same day. Coach of SEPA LaX is who tweeted the picture.

Not Jon in the Golf Cart - zoom in - guy doesn't look Asian.

Carole said...

If Robert's family source is correct and Kate is bipolar, in PA if she refuses to take medication and seek counseling, can Jon be awarded legal and physical custody?

Being bi-polar in itself and/or not taking meds for it is not a crime nor is the diagnosis necessarily indicative of someone who might neglect or abuse their children.
Bi-polar used to be called manic-depression where the extremes are debilitating depression and then the opposite manic swing and activities. I'm not a professional, but from having a couple of friends who suffer w/the disease, I don't see the association between having that diagnosis and being a child abuser.

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

Oh dear, I'm not one for speculating as a rule, I cropped and enlarged and I'm pretty sure that guy has a fairly large diamond stud like Jon's in his right earlobe. Coincidence?

TLC stinks said...

How would she know how many squirts or paper towels someone used unless Inspector Gadget tattled? This is a terrible idea. So much mistrust. I bet some are tattle tales in school too.

FYI said...

It's been mentioned a number of times that there are no sales figures for the first 7 hours Robert's book was on sale. It's possible those 7 hours were the biggest sales hours of all.
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When Robert's book first came out, there were no rankings listed on the Amazon site. I think that whatever sales he had for the 7 hours on June 22 were lumped together with the sales for June 23.

Carole said...

Tweet -- It's not just Blogger, it's nearly every website that has those infernal ads popping up. Amazon is a frequent offender. They've scared the bejeezus out of me more than once. I've gotten to the point where I just mute the volume on my computer unless I'm watching a DVD or streaming a video. I don't even listen to music on it any more. At first I thought it was an IE issue, but it happens when I use Chrome, too.

I don't hear or see any ads on any site I visit. I've used 'AdBlock Plus' for Firefox for at least 3-4 years. They have a version that works w/Chrome and I've read they have one for IE also. It's a free, small program and works like a charm.

Layla said...

The Blue Angel (190)
You're right, she did hand out a lot of free copies, and Kate being Kate, she would definitely have passed them off as sales. Either way, Robert's book is leaving hers in the dust!

Carole said...

Has anyone had the misfortune to land on TLC's "Buying Naked?"

I had the unfortunate experience of seeing a few minutes of an episode last season. I thought the whole premise of the series was ridiculous, but it's fitting that it was TLC that picked up the show.
I guess I always knew there was a niche market for these communities and their buyers, but I never thought people would go so far as to tour homes naked. smh I learned something that day! LOL

Carole said...

@GoKingDaddy
@Kateplusmy8 I found out that kiddo's gf comes from a family of 9 kids. Being raised by a single dad. Interesting isn't it. LOL


GKD,

Very interesting! I wonder what she and her dad think about how TFW runs her household. I'll bet it's a heck of a lot different than TFW's.

Anonymous said...

SHEEPLE ALERT...SHEEPLE ALERT!!!!

MAN YOUR BATTLESTATIONS, THIS, REPEAT, THIS IS NOT A DRILL!!!!


oK..y'all can stop laughing now, I crack myself up!!!!


I have been wading through sheepshung...(thank you Game of Thrones Ty)

Snapping my fingers here, ala Cher in that Monn film with Nicolas Cagrer....SNAP OUTTA IT...sheesh

1 hour and I have commented on first 20 posts...GET OVER IT..FORREST is a place where there are many trees..DATS IT

franky

sheesh

Bill said...

Formerly Duped said... 144

future Nurse: Inspector Gadget is the indoor "Boss" who checks if all the chores are done correctly. No surprise it is listed under Hannah's name.
also I think this encourages tattling which all the girls seem to be adept at.The more I see and hear, the more I like the boys! They are cute, smart, chummy with one another and seem like individuals.


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So a better and more honest name for the Inspector Gadget role would be Tattler in Chief.

Agree about the boys. The girls may wind up as clones of Kate.

Lanc Native said...

If that is Kate in the photo, then good for her for supporting Cara at the game. As for being driven in the cart, I don't blame her. It's brutally hot and humid, and I wouldn't want to walk too far today...and I am not lazy. In fact, I cut my dog walking short, and the dog didn't seem to mind one bit to get back into the air conditioning.

Sometimes nit-picking just goes over and beyond, and of course, that's only my opinion.

Did I defend Kate? Good grief. I need a good stiff drink.

Berks Neighbor said...

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said... 36

I just photoshopped it, did a crop and enlargement, sharpen and noise reduction and changed it to a sepia tone and there the guy definitely has a diamond stud earring in his right earlobe just like this:

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So, you are saying Jon now has the job of driving a golf cart around a LaX tourney in Jersey? It's not Jon. I know Jon, many times talked to him in person, face to face.

Many guys have diamond studs in their earlobes, many also wear their hats backward. This is not Jon.

Kirkland said...

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB - I think that's the longest URL I have ever seen.

By the way, are you saying you think it is Jon in the picture?

Over And Out said...

If it's not Jon, it's his doppelganger, at least it looks like it from the distance that photo was taken!

Bill said...

Bill said... 129

Really??? I don't know why I can't seem to post an opinion or observation about anything without getting attacked lately.


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I am sorry if that came across as an attack; it was not intended that way.

I was just relating to my experience. No homework at all until 2nd grade and not that much or every day at that. But that was many moons ago - things can easily be different today.

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