Thursday, July 3, 2014

Recap: Kate Plus 8: Sextuplets Turn 10 part 2: I hate Kate!

I love sports. I love them for many reasons, and one of them is every so often something really good and pure and genuine happens. Something that shows us something so wonderfully human and tangible. It makes the occasional stupid scandal forgettable, we forget about the millions of dollars going back and forth that sometimes taint the purity of the game, and it reminds us that we need professional recreation in our lives. Especially international events like this. It makes our lives fuller in any case, and certainly more fun.

One of these great moments happened this week during the phenomenal USA-Belgium World Cup game. As you probably heard, we lost. But we lost playing our absolute hearts out, sweat and blood and spit flying everywhere until the final seconds, which makes any loss that hard-fought just plain honorable.

So, we pretty much lost because some Belgian who must be about 15 years old named Kevin De Buryne scored an impossible goal late in the game, threading it through about four different defenders straight into the corner pocket. Not too long afterward the same guy had an assist for their second death-knell goal that won it.



Kevin looks remarkably like Prince Harry too, so predictably that was the perfect storm to set Twitter ablaze.

People are saying Prince Harry looks like Kevin De Bruyne on the Belgium team. I disagree. I think Kevin De Bruyne looks like Prince Harry.
— Eric Stonestreet (@ericstonestreet) July 1, 2014


Times like this Twitter is tolerable.

Anyway, turns out Harry's Doppelgänger is not just a prince but also a stand-up guy. Late in the game in what I think was extra time or almost, when all the guys out there must have been absolutely dead, Harry had a fantastic steal away from American Jermaine Jones. But while trying to kick it away, Harry accidentally kicked it straight up into Jermaine's face, absolutely pummeling him across the head.

You know those old cartoons where they get hit by a sledge hammer and then all these stars float around their head? That was pretty much Jermaine's face. He kind of fell to the ground in a heap. Jermaine just broke his nose last week so you can imagine how that must have felt. Prince Harry's expression was utter shock and sympathy. Sort of an, "Ohhhh, man that's gotta hurt!!!"

Harry quickly jogged back over to Jermaine, looking at the refs and holding up his hand to indicate the game should stop. He then squatted down, tenderly placing his hands on Jermaine's chest, and then grasped his hand in his, waiting for help to arrive.



If you've seen a soccer field it's gigantic, and help does take a good 15 to 20 seconds to get there. That must feel like an eternity when you're seeing stars. I imagine it's not as bad though when royalty is with you, holding your hand. It was an awesome moment.

Anyway, I bring this up because this is more than just what true sportsmanship should be. It's just how human beings should behave in both competitions and in life. If someone is hurt or hurting or you hurt them, not only should things stop for them, but you should go comfort and help them. This makes the world spin round in a manner that creates order out of chaos and good times even in defeat.

Last week on Kate Plus 8 when Mady was injured at Play Days, instead of holding up her hand to stop and going over to help her, Kate just kept on pummeling her until Kate won. Belgian Prince Harry's simple act of kindness and sympathy just shows how deranged Kate's thinking is. Prince Harry is a normal, nice guy. Kate on the other hand is an abnormal, cruel woman. Kate's way does not teach any life lessons like she so smugly thinks. It does not make the world go 'round. Instead it derails it and makes everybody miserable. We should all be more like how Prince Harry was just now and less like that waste of space.

Coming up on Kate Plus 8. God is giving it His best effort to stop the Hobbling Harridan with plagues of hail, wind, velcro and birds. Well, unfortunately God failed and she's still around and tweeting. He should have gone for the locusts.

May, and it's yet another new look for Kate. Maybe that's what she meant by piecing and patching. Piece a trend from October 2012 here, patch another from January 2013 in here. This one is sort of a poor man's attempt at the super dark roots look that was trendy nine months ago. Only rag mags would try to convince us that ever looked good. As usual Kate can't pull it off. To me she always looks more like a two-bit hooker on the corner of Hollywood and Vine than she does Sarah Jessica Parker. I get it. I always look like it's Halloween whenever I try anything trendy or outside the box but at least I know my own limitations and just stick mostly to Sketchers, leggings and bangs.

There's a photo of Shoka featured prominently in the background, just so we remember Shmoopy never really abused him. Oh, okay.

Credits. It's 5:45 and Shmoopy's up already and messing around with something or other in the kitchen. Are they on the first breakfast or the second? I don't care, because I'm too distracted by the clip boards attached to the back of some of the children's chairs like Doogie Howser is going to walk in at any moment and start analyzing your urine sample results. 

Two questions immediately spring to mind. What the heck is on those clip boards and why are they on only some of the children's chairs? It's so flipping weird, but not much surprises me anymore about the level of psychosis in this household.

Hey, remember the awesome computer diary Doogie would type in at the end of every episode? I bet he never was careless enough to throw out those discs. He's smart.



Good gracious we certainly typed slowly in 1991, were we really that bad?

Because the internet is awesome and amazing, somebody actually collected every single diary entry from the show and put it in blog form, complete with the correct dates and everything. It includes forgotten gems like this one: "They say beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Maybe if we all spent a little less time beholding -- We'd be a lot happier." F-- yeah, now that is a platitude worth repeating!

doogiehowsermd.blogspot.com

Thank you, good sir or madam. Bookmarked it!

Kate gets up every single day of her life at 5:45 a.m. Not to be nit picky but she's said many times on Twitter, even as recently as a few days ago, that they sleep in to ungodly late hours when they don't have school, so I don't think that's true. But fine, what's another lie.

They spend an untoward amount of time telling us what time they get up and how the morning routine goes. The thing I fear for these kids is that they may think any of this is even remotely interesting and grow big heads. This is not interesting. They are, bless their hearts, not interesting. At all. Not even the time they get up in the morning is interesting. I'm a big fan of children understanding they are not special. The adult world is easier on people who understand they're not special. Sorry, Mr. Rogers, but it's true.



I'm partial to this guy's high school commencement speech in which he said the opposite. You, little Johnny and Suzy, hate to say it, are not special whatsoever. Now good luck to you. It went viral because it was a great message.

They text each other in the house, which I think is preferably to screaming and shouting frankly, which they also do. Kate wants an intercom system. She should get one. The house I worked in had that and I have to say it was the nicest feature about it. Instead of screaming, shouting, or wasting time searching for various kids, I'd just pick up the phone, hold five I think, and say "monkeys, come to the kitchen Admin has dinner ready." And there they'd come even if they were downstairs or outside. It makes for a more peaceful house all around.

The kids seem to like the breakfasts she makes and they talk about how healthy the food is. I don't think white bread, eggs and cheese every day is the healthiest. I think their mother is hopelessly ignorant, not healthy. The kids are still brushing their teeth in the kitchen while Kate looks on? That seems like it may have more to do with control than anything.

Oops, Kate says they've been doing this so long it runs like clockwork. They can get ready for school in 50 minutes. Well, I have to say that is very impressive. Good for them. I think it takes a normal sized family about 50 minutes if not longer. But then doesn't that prove the point things are not as hard as she makes them out to be? Seems like the kids, who despite some of their issues are overall pretty decent kids who usually aim to please, are pretty much keeping this train on the tracks with little effort from Kate anymore. So does she have it hard and is this just so difficult, or does the U.S.S. Gosselin keep a tight orderly ship that practically runs itself? I would hope the latter by now. Heh.

The producer asks the boys what does Kate do while they're at school.

Oh, okay, so he was wondering too. I'm interested in this. I've been scratching by head over this for years.

"Work," Joel says. He's been reading the script I see. Work where and doing what exactly? I ask. Ha, Joel adds that sometimes she goes back to sleep. Well yeah I figured that much, Shmoops. How nice she found some job where you can punch in and then go back to sleep. She runs errands, says Collin. Um, errands are not work. You cannot classify as "work" what everybody else has to do too whether you have a real job or not. It is rather called, "things everybody else has to do too whether you have a real job or not."

Nah, Kate's not really running as much as she used to (she must mean since Coupon Cabin stopped paying for it) because well you see, she broke her foot.

Let me stop you right there. Toe, toe, toe, toe!!! according to the children. Can I just say it's amusing how God damned stubborn she is? Even when all the kids have explained she certainly did not break her foot, she still won't let up on that story. It's remarkable.

What? Wait, she "broke" her "foot" when the perpetually coming soon "cookbook" came out and wasn't that like in September? This is May, some nine months later.

Kate also doesn't have time to run anymore anyway. That's understandable with all the "work" she does while they're at school.

Yawn, Kate likes to do everything over the top. Yawn, Kate buys paper plates. Oh this must be at Michaels where one of the shoppers there was annoyed she and the crew were blocking the aisles. Heh, I love how much most of the locals can't stand her or this mess. Poor Shmoopy's pulled in all different directions by these damn kids and some days just wishes she could throw in the towel. Being a single mom is so tough. Oh well, shouldn't have had eight kids then divorced their father and estranged all your family and friends. Shoulda bought that cactus instead.

She never meant to portray herself as super woman. Oh, that's why she joined all those smug Mommy bloggers at The Stir. So we are reassured she actually is just like any other mommy, the truth is, sniff, sometimes she cries behind closed doors.

I like when she says shit that makes her look unstable.

When she feels overwhelmed she reminds herself it's okay to mess up the important thing is you not give up. Throw that on a poster. Now imagine doing all this with a real job.

Commercials. I heart me some Blake Shelton but sadly the Pizza Hut near me closed and was replaced by a pretentious looking Jamba Juice. If you can't even make a go of a Pizza Hut and end up getting replaced by juice you might want to get out of the restaurant business.

We're back. I still think it's funny they were so cheap with the credits and little intros that they couldn't even get one updated photo of the family. Literally the Kate Plus 8 family photo has to be three years old. Mady and Cara are half the size they are now. It's tacky looking because it's so cheap.

Kate takes the kids to the mall to pick out new outfits for their party. As usual Mady and Cara are dragged along but they make it clear they were not permitted to buy anything and were bored out of their minds as am I. I still don't understand why at their ages they can't stay at home for a few hours while Kate does this nonsense with the younger kids. They seem well old enough to me.

I don't like this discussion about the younger kids and their boyfriends and girlfriends, I think these questions are embarrassing most of them, so I'm skipping this part.

Because when she's miserable she has to make everybody else miserable too, Mady tells the kids anything they've picked out is ugly.  I'm very sorry the kid is obviously struggling with many things right now and I don't see how filming is going to help anything.

The next day, and I feel like they're explaining every little mundane thing in every little mundane detail. It's not a home improvement show. It's really getting tortuous. The bottom line is, Marie Antoinette here is going to bake a cake.

Kate's off to the bus stop while the cake cools. She needs to be out the door in "32 seconds." For the longest time I thought her odd times (like awake at 6:02 a.m.) were done just to be cute or funny. Now I think in her rigid mind it actually is 32 seconds to her just like it was 246 toothpicks and four left in the box to Rain Man. Maybe for work she could be a timekeeper of some sort. Maybe working for the railroad as a dynamite detonator. I like Westerns.

Suddenly a huge hail storm rolls in. Sort of. It wasn't exactly anywhere near her house but it did hit the bus stop. Okay those are scary. We got those maybe once every couple years back East and they actually are quite dangerous when it's happening, if you are out in it. If you're inside, using your brain and staying put it'll be fine. A really bad one like this may only happen once every ten years. They can also really dent your car or cause other damage. Kind of funny they use footage of the storm from The Reading Eagle since that newspaper absolutely hates Kate Gosselin and her ten years of scams. Heh.

I don't like parents who freak their kids out. We should not pass our fears down to our children. Kate is at the bus stop clapping at the kids to come on, it's dangerous. Well, the storm is over now and it's sunny, so I don't quite get that. They have plenty of time to get to safety should it start up again. She hurries them into the van in an absolute panic. The problem with this attitude is that in the span of 30 seconds you may have just made your child afraid of hailstorms for decades to come, and unable to handle them rationally and reasonably. It's okay to have a healthy fear of danger but it's not okay to deal with that fear by panicking. The sad thing is I think she thinks behaving this way makes her look like a caring and protective mother. Sigh.

They head to the pet store to get some beta fish for the party. Hm, I don't see anybody asking the parents of their guests if sending them home with a live animal is okay. You can't have a carnival without winning fish, Kate explains.  Gaa, these people. I suppose these are the same people that can't have a circus without abused animals, or Sea World without orcas who live in a small swimming pool as their life until they finally snap and eat their trainer. The tide is changing in remarkable ways, and these people should know they will be left behind. It's happening.

"This is starting to feel real," Kate says dramatically. The... party? Good grief you would think she is talking about having her firstborn child or earning her PhD without the D. It's just a stupid birthday party that was pretty much catered for them anyways.

Commercials. The most random people are able to get reality shows. Leah Remini, really? I mean I like her just fine but not enough to care what she does on a day to day basis.

We're back, and Kate is whipping up some frosting that has 2,000 pounds of butter. Well, then she could say it has a ton of butter and actually not be exaggerating. The layered cake looks good actually.  It's moist and has a good color, although someone on the blog here pointed out it didn't really rise. True. Here we go with yet another long, mundane explanation. I'll skip this.

Zorro, who apparently is quite a fine method actor, creeps slowly toward the cake. Yes, he's out of his cage and supposed to be perched on some little tree thing on the counter.

"Stay!" Kate commands. I don't know if birds respond to things like "stay." Uh, maybe she should put him in his cage?

Finally his big moment to show his chops, er, rather beak, is here and he flies into the cake and takes a bite.

Kate is shocked that this happened. Shocked I tell ya. Lol. You place your bird two feet away from the cake. He is eyeing the cake like he really wants it. He is even walking toward the cake. And you're shocked that this happened. She's not exactly the best at reading body language now is she?

You know, he only got a tiny piece of it. I probably would have cut that piece out and figured out a way to replace it with frosting somehow and not say anything. But because Kate is 12 and can't handle anything more complicated than a shoebox, she cries and bemoans how she can't serve it now and the party could be ruined and what will she do about the cake?

Brilliant screen writing here and Zorro hit all his marks.

For someone doing it 99% alone, there sure are a heck of a lot of workers around doing various things for the party. The tent people show up and could you put it a little to the left, now a little to the right, now do the hokey pokey and turn yourself around, perfect. 

The "surprise" for the kids is here. It came on a flatbed truck and Kate shuts it away in the barn. Based on that information I can't rule out that it could still be a Jonas brother. This is Kate we're talking about after all.

Kate's friends all live out of state, which is both funny and odd. Jamie flew in for the weekend to help out. Good ole Jamie, I remember her and Ashley and how much Kate pissed them off on the Yellowstone trip. It just so happened Jamie's kids would be away that weekend. With their father whom we're told they live with? Just saying. I always found it ironic that for all the hate and judgment toward Jon, none of Kate's fans judge Jamie or ask why her children don't live with her full time either. I have no idea what Jamie's situation is but there are dozens of reasons that custody might not be balanced that have nothing to do with whether one is a good or bad parent. Because I have no hate in my heart I've always given Jamie the benefit of the doubt on that. I just like the hypocrisy.

Jamie understands Kate. I'm glad somebody does. They are sooo similar, says Kate. Why, they even got divorced in the same year, "ironically." Hey, Alanis, that's not ironic, that's just a coincidence or perhaps even poor misfortune.

Nothing that happened on or off camera has affected this sisterhood of the traveling pants. And that's the sign of a true friend, says Kate. No Kate, that's the sign of a true enabler who I guess doesn't have the self-esteem to insist she be treated with kindness and respect by her so-called BFF.

God tries again with a freak wind storm, interrupting the family as they are trying to paint signs for the carnival. Just to drive the point home, God blows the papers straight into the heated pool. Lol, God.

"Can somebody shut the pool gate at least!" Kate screeches.

You shut it, bitch. You're the closest. She finally does.

What's funny is in the midst of all this you see what looks like a cameraman and a producer running away from all this and not helping. Not that the Jane Goodalls of reality T.V. should be interfering with what's going on, but it's hysterical the way Kate is screeching for help and production just runs away.

You know what's awesome about this? The kids love it. They fish the papers out of the pool, and Alexis blurts how funny it was, like a word scramble. Kate of course is beside herself. God owes me a perfect day tomorrow, Kate says to God as she points at the sky. So she really does have a direct line to Him like her letters to Jesus in her book. I wonder how one gets chosen for that.



I like kids and I hate adults. Adults who act like this anyway. The kids will remember this forever and get a chuckle out of it forever. Lighten the F up.

It's getting late and everyone is inside now. Kate is still pacing and strung out. The kids are fine, laughing and playing with their iPads. Why is it always the girls who are playing with the iPads and the boys watching, may I ask? Is that an iPad mini in addition to their regular gadgets? Sheesh.

They eat the cake that Colin Firth over there jumped on/the producer threw him on. Kate has to trust the party will come together tomorrow but she doesn't really think it will. Well, that's kind of rude to the catering company who did it all. I'm sure they know full well what they're doing.

Thirty-six long minutes in and it's finally time for the party at last.

"One person, too much to do," Kate says. She's just such a tool. Not to even mention the catering company there is proof did it all, what about Jamie (and as you will see Deanna) who flew in, the twins and their friends who did help seemingly for free as far as I can tell, and the birthday kids themselves? They all helped a ton! Like 2,000 pounds of butter a ton. Wtf, I don't understand her and why she always has to marginalize anybody else who busts their butt for her.

At the last minute Kate is able to get a carnival cake that looks like a big top. It's cute. It was probably ordered three weeks ago by production.

What is with this episode? Now we're spending what feels like ages watching them stuff the pinatas. This really has gotten to be just like watching old boring home movies. I can't believe anyone in their right mind thinks this should be a weekly series. With the exception of Zorro's great escape and the water boarding she did to the poor thing afterward, there is nothing remotely resembling an interesting plot here. They got nothing.

There's literally people everywhere helping out. People setting up the various stands, Mady and Cara's friends helping out, other unidentified adults doing things. I swear to god for about ten seconds I thought that blond chick with the shower wet hair and pink shorts was the new nanny. Then she spoke and I realized it's Shmoopy herself! She's so skinny. Who is she? What is she?

Kate and Jamie are setting up something or other with a staple gun and Kate is out of staples and doesn't know how to change them. For someone who does it 99% herself she sure is helpless. What did she do when she was out of staples before and she was doing it 99% herself? Maybe just stand there and hold it together with her fingers until the 1% gets there?

I don't understand the point of a party if you're going to be running ragged and stressed out beyond belief the whole time, but that's just me.

I love the two second clip of Kate giving orders to the twins' friends. Their body language is so 13. The in one ear out the other look, sure Kate yep no worries, got it. And then they're off to talk about boys and lipgloss.

"Once I mentally envision something, I just have to make it happen," Kate says, gesticulating so we see her nails.

Actually she says it more like this, "Once I mentally envision something, I just have to make it happen???"

I imagine around about 2003 that's exactly what went down???

The kids are on the couch playing with the clapperboard, shouting various things. It's kind of annoying, no offense, though it's not their fault. Obviously the producers made them do this and some of the kids, like Joel, don't look like they think this is that fun. Oh by the way Hannah smacks Joel across his cheek in the middle of this, but it's Hannah so don't worry it's okay. The clapperboard has some interesting information on it, like some of the crew members and that it was "take two" of this "reality show." So we were wondering if the crew is really the same crew Kate says they love and missed. I don't have the skills of Nev or many of the posters here, but I did a little poor man's sleuthing on IMDB to see what I could come up with.

I see two names on the clapperboard. One is C. McCarthy-Miller. I pretend Max is sitting just to my right holding his stupid little canon video camera as I pull up google.



I quickly discover "C." is some guy named Clark, and he has been part of all of two episodes, not counting these, of Kate Plus 8, as a production assistant and as a photographer. In 2011, folks. "Ohhhhh, that could be him!" Max always says, even if it's totally obvious that is him. J. Bromiley is also on the clapperboard, and that's some man named Jack, a camera man who is credited with only one episode of Kate Plus 8. Also one of the Australia episodes way back in 2011.

Assuming IMDB is correct, and I have no reason to think it's not, how could you possibly form attachments to these Clark and Jack guys and call them your daddy and family after two episode three years ago? Do the kids even remember them? When you look at IMDB, you see over a hundred people have worked in production on this show. Even if you don't count people who sit in editing bays and don't interact with the kids, it's still a ton. They have been through a whopping sixteen producers. So this whole thing about how this is such a close knit family is utter nonsense, of course.

The size of their crew is normal. This is how Hollywood works. There is constant turnover as you move on to other projects or projects and contracts overlap making you unavailable even if you wanted to be on the crew. For Kate to put forth to her dumb fans it's anything different than everybody else's television show is lunacy. And it's dangerous. How could one parent possibly vet over a hundred people to any reasonable person's satisfaction? You can't, which is how Bill Blankinship slipped through. He's still there on IMDB the proud editor of over thirteen episodes, it's not like they can remove his name just because he's a sex offender now, and still has two more years of probation to serve.

Kate puts on a clown wig and nose, and pairs it with a strapless dress that looks better suited for the beach. In this getup she sort of reminds me of Carol Burnett's Miss Hannigan, naturally the best Miss Hannigan there ever was. She was an ever-evolving mix between trendy and slutty, sober and drunk, lovesick and bitter. And she was a master scammer too and used children to her benefit. Carol nearly stole the show. This look of Kate's would be complete if she would just carry around a bottle of Sake.

You won't regret watching this clip of the great Carol, it's just incredible.



Lol, I love Mady. She is finally old enough to stop Kate in her tracts. When Kate tries to say she promised the kids she would wear it Mady immediately jumps in and says give me an ever loving break they did not want you to wear that and mortify them I saw the whole thing! Heh!

Oh, there's Deanna, another enabler and out-of-state BFF, wandering in the background carrying a present. Yet another person around to help and take the immense burden off Shmoops.

I should be shaking my head at how disrespectful the kids are about this, but in this case Kate deserves it. The clown thing is creepy, Leah says. Yes it sure is.

There's very few kids at this "carnival" but tons of adults working, plus Mady's friends. It does look good and authentic, though pretty juvenile, with popcorn and cotton candy and games.

Mady says Kate scares her friends. Yikes, I don't think she was joking about that one. Awkward.

Wow some of these games are pretty lame. Pin the nose on the clown, really? I don't know if kids in 2014 would like these.

Ugh, the horrific fish game.

Mady helps run this game, and bemoans the children's "sins of impatience." Whoa okay, sister wife!

Kate says the bowls did not have a fish in them, but I can see several betas in the bowls right there swimming while the kids are throwing balls at them, so W....T...F!!!

So for anyone who still thinks this game is all fun and dandy, I want you to imagine yourself sitting in a shallow kiddie pool all afternoon in the heat. Now imagine as you are lounging in this pool, somebody is dropping giant ping pong balls three times your size on your head, repeatedly. Then you get sent home with some kid who either forgets about you and leaves you in the car to roast, or puts you on the dining room table in that same kiddie pool and tries to remember to feed you every once in awhile because the family was neither expecting you nor was asked to have you over, so nobody else wants to care for you. Fun!

It just occurred to Kate that if any of her children actually win the fish, which several of them do, she'll have more pets in the house.

I love that the narcissist is only capable of understanding this and what a bad idea it is when it's happening to her. I.e. when her kids win and are ready to set up shop with their new pet in her house of horrors. She didn't even consider what she was dumping on other parents when she set up this game in the first place, and she still doesn't seem to think about that. Remarkable and fascinating.

I have to say I do kind of like that parents can come to this too and that there's a ton of space for them to socialize. It's fun to share in your child's fun without making them feel like you're a pain or smothering.

The velcro wall is cool and somehow seems quite fun. It does what you expect. You wear a big velcro suit, jump and get stuck to the wall. There are literally like four different workers with name tags helping to run it, so I don't think Kate is doing any of this all by herself. Kate does the velcro wall several times because it's all about her.

The piñata has nothing to do with a carnival and is totally off the theme so for that reason I don't like it. This is a perfect example of Kate really having no idea how to throw a classy, themed party. But as long as the kids enjoy it fine. Collin says something about how they hit the piñata but no one would want to hit Mommy. Obviously he hasn't found this blog yet.

A long and boring explanation about having difficulty lighting the candles on the cake. This show has been boring for awhile but I never remember it being this mind numbing. It's like they didn't even try.

Hannah violently pushes Collin away from the cake with an accusation he spit on it while he was blowing out his candles (hey it happens, don't like spit don't do candles), which I never saw, and naturally, there are no consequences.

The kids really liked their party so that's nice. Why couldn't the families just pull their cars up into the driveway and park on the grass? Why do they have to take a shuttle? Seems like an unnecessary expense for a piecer and patcher.

Now the big surprise. Hey that's not a Jonas! Instead it's a John Deere gatar four-wheeler thing that lots of big properties have. Oh, something to help them with choring! Yeaaa!!!

Collin is onto this immediately, lol. Well this is just to drive down to take care of the chickens. Yep.

Oh my god this thing is huge and powerful. Seeing it up close like this it's more immense and scary than I thought. Seemingly without any instruction Joel hops right in and starts driving. The rest of the kids drive it as well. Somebody posted that John Deere recommends that only children 16 and older drive this honking thing. Oh good grief. I would have preferred a Jonas brother.

I have never heard someone go on so long about what a birthday is really about. Good heavens it's not her birthday.


As usual very little of it is on point and the rest is in outer space. Succinct shmoops is not! It's finally over and up next another show about dwarfs? Well I guess they don't have a family yet who subscribes to the philosophy that you should not modify your home to accommodate your short stature because the world is not going to do that for you, so I guess that's new. This pretentious couple calls themselves the Brad and Angelina of the dwarf world. Yeah and I'm the Natalie Portman of the blogging world.

A couple final thoughts on what I hope is the first and only update special. I hope to never have to recap this show or anything these children are on ever again. (Don't worry, I will happily recap Celebrity Apprentice!)

It's more clear than ever before these past two weeks were as much about Kate getting a platform to play celebrity than it has a single thing to do with wanting what's best for her kids. Most of this episode was just Kate. Kate baking, Kate bird watching, Kate velcroing, and most of all Kate yapping about all things Kate. This obsessive need to be the center of attention even so far as on a nationwide stage is a dangerous one, and has only led to bad things for these poor kids.

Mady, Cara, Aaden, Alexis, Collin, Hannah, Joel and Leah are both her sword and her shield. She uses them to slash through all the red tape and get what she wants, like this very update special and many other things we well know of. And if anyone ever tries to question her, they are her human shields to hide behind. After all, you'd have to be one bitter and ugly person to attack a mother with eight sweet babies, right? Anyone who still believes this needs to seriously think about what the morally right thing is to do in a situation where two competing values butt heads. Those values of course would be, being kind, understanding and deferential to the sacredness that is motherhood, versus the promotion of a child's overall best interest and the protection of children from abuse and exploitation.

Of course in my book, the protection of children is paramount. In fact, if you don't know, like many other bloggers who have passed by the Realitytvkids porch, I too have dedicated my career to working on just such child abuse cases and much worse. You can't imagine what I've seen. You don't want to. I certainly believe very strongly in parental rights and would cut off my right arm to be sure someone is getting their due process, but at the same time I subscribe to the idea that sometimes it takes a village to protect a child. I believe the protection of children from abuse and exploitation is a matter of public concern if it has indeed crossed that line into abuse and exploitation, as I believe it has here. I could care less if a mother, or father, or anybody else gets their feelings hurt in the process. That does not matter when kids are being abused. I believe this is how it should be.

Oh, and my replacement keyboard works like a dream so I can say it without problems: I HATE Kate. Have a wonderful Fourth everyone. The porch is open and the rumspringa spiked lemonades are flowing, on me. You are in good hands with the blog girls and pool boys and I'll see you soon!


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TLC stinks said...

Yes, Formerly Duped, they walked to Forrest's farm.

Vanessa said...

But Kevin & Jodi weren't just "babysitting" they were being filmed for the show. They had a "part" in the drama, they were part of the script. Why shouldn't they have been paid for more than just providing childcare?They were cast members for pete's sake! It's katsepeak as usual. She rewords it to sound like she's just being ever-so-caring, looking out for her family etc...this is the woman who tramps and stomps over her kids' feelings, and her former spouse. Anyone really believe that it was all to "save" the family relationship? Puuuleeeezzzee! She's greedy to the core, to the very bone! There was a LAW written up JUST FOR HER to make her LEGALLY obligated to pay her OWN FREAKING KIDS! Total bullshit letter and rationale, totally!!

Vanessa said...

On the Tups 10th bday special she was pouring milk from one of Forrests milk jugs. I bet my last dollar she is raising some of his chickens in exchange for milk. The problem lies in the fact that Forrest would not actually be raising them on his land or tending to them at all, merely doling out the instructions. In fact, when you buy hens/eggs at his farm, the Gosselin boys may very well have raised them.

More deception and more work for the kids, and quite possibly why Collin isn't allowed to leave on the weekends.

Forrest should never have involved himself with her.

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And those kids still continue to WORK for the basic necessities of life!
What an effing bitch. YOU take care of the chickens, you lazy ass!

TLC stinks said...

I have always wondered why Jodi and Kevin dropped out of the picture because they were so vocal for awhile. I wonder if Kate threatened them. I remember seeing photos of when Jon was still at the McMansion and he allowed the kids to play with their cousins, so hopefully they get to still see them when Jon has his custody time. Such a large family, all relatively close by and the witch forbids contact.

JR said...

@31...Venassa....Perfectly written post...I fell like framing it..

handinhand said...

Tucker's Mom said... 20
"Where's Aunt Jodi?"
Summarizing from Robert's first release:

Thanks for this synopsis, Tucker's Mom.
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FlimsyFlamsy said... 14

Hope you're enjoying your trip, Admin. The pool girls are holding
down the fort just fine!

Agreed!

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Luke and Formerly Duped, what really rankled is that TFW left her sick kids with Jodi and her sick kids when she didn't have to. Jon was the
one getting hair plugs in L.A. -- she certainly didn't need to accompany him. But no way was TFW going to pass on a free trip, and time
away from her toddlers. And then we were treated to the lovely
scene of TFW removing his surgical staples. At. The. Dinner.
Table. Does that sound like any germaphobe you ever heard of?

Carole said...

T said...




By jove, I think you're really on to something! I thought the pic of that little red barn on Forrest's website looked familiar. It looks like the one that they built when TFW originally had chickens delivered. It makes complete sense now how/why TFW isn't buried under a mountain of eggs from 'her' chickens. SHE has only a few laying hens (the reason the # of eggs she said they collect per day seems reasonable) and the others that make up the 50 she says 'they have' are actually Forrest's!

TLC stinks said...

Sara, ITA. The Gator makes total sense now and Kate got TLC to pay for it. I bet she claims it as farm equipment for tax purposes.

I would like to know how many chickens are owned by Kate and how many are Forrest's? She made it sound that ALL the chickens are theirs. I can still remember that set up photo, for either Coupon Cabin or The Stir, where she is hauling a big, heavy bag of feed. I would guess that is the ONLY time she ever did anything with those chickens. Obviously that job was pawned off to the nannies when them boys were in school or at Jon's (except got poor Collin). I kept saying the reason she was keeping Collin from visits to Jon was for him to take care of the chickens.

I don't have a problem with them keeping chickens or having a deal with a neighboring farm. The property is wonderful for that. What I have a problem with is forcing the boys or nannies to do ALL the work, lying about how involved she is, and lying about the purpose of the Gator.

Carole said...

Was this man was the neighbor whose farm they visited and the kids drank all that milk? If so it must be Forrest.

Yes, the farm they walked to is Forrest's farm. According to MapQuest it's .79 miles away, but it's basically just across the street and through a field as the crow flies.

Paper Plates Forever! Yay! said...

I recently watched the show when the sextuplets turned one because I'd never seen it before. Kate, you were so, so different back then and I mean in a nice way. You actually allowed Jon to speak without overtaking the conversation. Your insults towards him were minimal and more gentle in nature. You still slagged him for being passive which you hated (then why did you marry him asshole, stupid move on your part). But Kate, what I did find interesting is when you were asked about how Jon felt about just wanting one more and it didn't turn out that way. I watched your face the whole time he was talking and it showed that you both knew what you were doing ie. that you orchestrated the HOM scheme. However, he was a better actor than you. Or maybe it was because he was now riding the money train and liked it and resented you less because of it. Hard to say but after reading what Robert said in his book about you buying hormones from Canada under a different name so that you could inject yourself and then watching your body language in that episode, I am now totally convinced you knew what you were doing.

lukebandit said...

It makes me sick to try to fathom that those small little boys are working like they are with the chickens and the neighbor farmer involved. If it is true, ate is really a vile woman. She has plenty of money to last several lifetimes. Why does she have to drain blood out of a turnip when her children work like men farmhands. I couldn't believe that chicken form they have to fill out and have it signed off by an adult. Colin has to be there working the chickens when he is not seeing Jon.

Ate is so obsessed with making money on anything, everything in sight she can get her hands on. She must have some kind of extremely rare condition of making money come hello or high water without remorse to whoever or whatever she hurts in her path.

The old saying, Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Should now be, Which comes first, ate or ate. No CHOICE, witches! said, ate.

Vanessa said...

Haha, thanks JR. Maybe you can send it to her and she can hang it along side her Family Mission Statement ,)

rainbowsandunicorns said...

She has plenty of money to last several lifetimes.

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No, she doesn't...not if she keeps spending, with no employment, and no downsizing. The money will eventually run out, and in her lifetime.

Millicent said...

Tucker's Mom said:
Can you imagine your 15-year old boy sidling up to your counter and portioning out a paltry serving on his plate?

Our friends have 2, count 'em, 2 teen boys, and their mom says they eat them out of house and home.
Kate eventually has to give up with this tiny portion crap.
Growing teens need to eat at will, and not have to ask every single time they want to open the ridge or a cupboard.
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This always bothers me - and especially for the boys, the way Kate is so measly with feeding "their mouths."

I will make a nice full dinner and my son will have a baked potato, chicken or roast, vegetables, and a side of fruit, plus one or two glasses of milk. Then he's full .... until about 1 or 2 hours later, when he asked "what's for dinner?"! So he then has a 2nd dinner consisting of left overs from earlier. And he's skinny as a rail, burns it all off.

It seems most cruel to me to withhold food from your hungry children, especially when you can certainly afford to feed them plenty.

TLC stinks said...

I have the original book and to summarize the email Kate to Julie Carson May:

Jodi and Kevin signed an appearance release, not a contract. Over time their appearances increased because for security it was important to have family members taking care of the kids. Kate paid for the babysitting while on speaking engagements.

The production company told Jon and Kate they wanted to pay Kevin and Jodi a one-time honorarium or pay for each appearnce.

Kate explained that at this point everyone who was helping and appeared in the show was demanding to be paid because "...everyone we knew was assuming we suddenly had plenty of money to share ..."

Kate goes on to say that we asked and "begged" the production not to offer money because money ruins relationships.

She felt that because Kevin and Jodi were truly helping, they would laugh off any offers of money. (Odd because Kate also mentions in the email that Jodi has applied for a part time job so they must have needed some extra cash with four kids).

So weeks go by and Kevin approaches Kate. They found out that Kate and Jon would not allow them to be paid and that they were unhappy with the amount of money Jon and Kate were paying them to babysit (when they went on speaking engagements; TLC paid Jodi for babysitting when filming).

She said she offered to pay him herself but he refused.

She continues that the amount Kevin wanted was "mind boggling". She says that Kevin wanted her to go to the production company to get that amount, go to bat for them, even offered to split the amount with them if the production company agreed.

She said there was some other offer from the production company other then the money that she was against. She said to prove to him it was not about the money and that she did not "carelessly bar" them from receiving money, she went to the production company. (I do not believe this at all).

TLC said they would consider a honorarium but it was not a typical thing to do outside a contract. (This is a contradiction from what the production company originally wanted to do). She said she figured TLC would take care of it.

Two weeks went by and Kevin showed up at the house angry. He was upset that he had not been paid and went on about how the show was ruining Kate's kids.

She told him he may have to come to terms he may never get paid, and she advised him to not be filmed anymore. (How convenient)

Then she said Kevin said they wanted to go on that trip to Hawaii but wanted their payment first. This angered Kate because this would be on top of their "daily helper pay."

So she and Jon prayed about it and decided that the right decision was to do "the hard thing for Kevin and Jodi" and have them not filmed anymore. The decision was based on wanting to salvage the relationship even though it would be a hardship on them to not have the support or the babysitting when filming or on speaking engagements.

So a few days later Jodi called and apologized for Kevin coming over. Then Jodi let her know that she was offended by how she had been portrayed on the show. Kate said she had no idea.

Kate said she refused to feel negatively towards them and wanted to forgive and forget.

Then at the end of the email Kate brings up about Julie's blog and accuses Jodi of lying to her sister about what happened. She said Jon and I live our family and will never say anything bad about them.

She ends the email with:

"Our plan is to kill them with kindness!"

"Thanks! Have a gr8t day!"

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Kate lied to Kevin and this email to the publicist was just damage control regarding Julie's blog. Everyone else is a liar in Kate's world.


Susie Cincinnati said...

I guess I'm really out of the loop on this whole chicken little thing. How can she be working these kids like farm hands if they are at school nine hours a day five days a week, especially when, over the winter, darkness falls around 5 p.m., as they are getting home from school? Sure, they could be on chicken duty in the summer, but that's three months out of the year, and I really doubt that they are on taking care of flocks from sun-up until sun-down. Where has it been confirmed that these kids are run ragged doing farm duties and that Collin isn't allowed to leave the property to see his father because he's kept busy with the chickens?

Where did this all come from?

FlimsyFlamsy said...

When you think of how much farmhand work those boys do, it makes
it even crueler to think that TFW, according to her admittedly true
nanny instructions, insists the kids get small portions. So what if
one of the boys left 3 or 4 mouthfuls on his plate? And her saying
they can always have seconds if they want...I imagine maybe they
wouldn't necessarily ask, because asking for things doesn't go well
in that house. They may just decide to stay hungry rather than
rock the boat. Just my humble opinion.

Millicent said...

Bill said:
how to safely unload a gun

...because you never know when your kid might hand you one and say, "I found this on the way home from school."

Removing the ammunition magazine does not completely unload a gun!
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In my community, a 13 year old boy was shot and killed by a Sheriff while walking on a neighborhood street carrying a BB gun. It was a horrific tragedy and the community is still very divided over what happened.

I have never owned a gun, nor plan to do so. My son never got a BB gun. My rule is: If either of us see what appears to be a weapon lying on the ground somewhere, stop, call 911 to report it, and above all else - don't touch the damn thing. Leave it to the professionals.

I read so often about people shooting themselves while handling their own gun, or shooting a family member by accident. No guns allowed in my house. Period. If I've made it through 50+ years as a single woman without any other weapon besides a baseball bat and a cast iron skillet, I think I can make it through my remaining years the same :)

Millicent said...

White Organza said:
Lol, Lynne! I once rushed in my hair salon on my lunch break and asked my hairdresser how much for a just a quick wash and a blowjob... instead of a blow dry. He never let me forget that one. For years after. Every. Single. Time. He. Wrote. My. Tab.
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ROFL!

SusanNH said...

My thoughts on the chickens.
I had chickens for many years here in NH. They had a large window fan in summer and a electric oil radiator in winter. My girls lived upward of 11-12 years because they were well loved and taken care of. No stress. My rooster came running when I called and would sit on my lap while I fed him his favorite food, cottage cheese. My flock was allowed to wander when I was outside gardening. They had a 60X60 fenced area to be when I was inside. If I was not at home they were in a wire cage with a wire roof so nothing could hurt them.
I am sure there have been lot's of chicken victims since she started this chicken keeping due to her vast ignorance.

I think the Forrest chickens are probably for food. Or they are young and need chick food instead of regular feed. You can't keep chicks and adult chickens together. The adults would kill and the chicks.
Organic chicken feed is more expensive and don't think she would spend the money. So, I don't believe he would buy her eggs and pass them off as free range and organic.
The farm website shows movable pens and he explains they are moved twice a day to feed free range on grasses and bugs. I do not believe Kate's chickens are allowed to wander about. They would be wiped out by predators in no time. Once a fox finds a free meal they come back every day until they are no more.
Then at night you have owls, coyote, coy dogs, raccoons, weasel, etc.

JR said...

Luke....loved your "Shawshank" description on twitter...omg..that's exactly what her home should be called...she works those kids like they're imprisoned...

Mel said...

I finally got around to watching the second part of the special. Wow. Talk about boring!

It sure didn't look like there were very many kids there besides the Gosselin children. Maybe 6 or so. Didn't really look like that much fun. It looked like the little carnival that our church Sunday school puts on at the end of summer only more expensively done.

What I got out of it? Me, me, me, I, me, exhausted, me, I, exhausted, me, I, me, exhausted, me, exhausted.

Although it didn't look like TFW actually did much work.
We saw Jamie and TFW wandering around with store-bought coffees the morning of the party, and lamely making an attempt at putting up something (that production finished putting up).

Did I mention exhausted?

Winsomeone said...

The farmers ad online shows those chicken as free ranging. They certainly are not free on Kate's property, or the dog would be killing them. Can't someone turn him in for false advertising? Seems like they are cooped up in a small area in one of her out buildings? Or they were when shown on TV anyway.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

"Catfish" just got renewed for a 4th season. Should any of TFW's
Mensa Militia be nervous?

Formerly Duped said...

Is it really that hard to look after the chickens? The boys described what they did- feeding, watering, collecting eggs and cleaning up the coop. The checklist is just Kate-control. Being a city gal, I really don't know how long it would take. I gather it's quite a hike- the boys hoped they could use the Gator to get there, although Joel seemed doubtful..and what happened to the girls taking turns? Mady and Cara should too, while the boys could do dish duty.

Formerly Duped said...

oh yes, forgot to comment on the shopping spree for the party for clothes- did you notice Kate had them selecting from a 60% off clearance rack? What the girls chose seemed kind of poor quality, no offense to anyone. That must have been on her dime- or faked to show her piercing and patching.Aaden seemed perplexed at the sizes as if he had never shopped before which I believe.And who is Kate to diss Collin's style? I think it's sweet to have a child who likes 'businessman' clothes.

Tucker's Mom said...

Winsomeone said... 55
The farmers ad online shows those chicken as free ranging. They certainly are not free on Kate's property, or the dog would be killing them. Can't someone turn him in for false advertising? Seems like they are cooped up in a small area in one of her out buildings? Or they were when shown on TV anyway.
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Whoa! Hold on, here.
We don't know that the chickens don't range outdoors at all- a little fenced in area is all they need, and we know Kate's instructions are to let the chickens out in the morning, and in in the evening.
So, technically, they are free range.
The meaning of free range does not necessarily denote that the chickens are never cooped.
Kate's/Forrest's chickens are not kept in cages, and they go outdoors.

Please, please, no one contact Forrest, or Forrest's customers because they think somehow Kate in sullying his business, or that he shouldn't be raising chickens with Kate on her property.

Formerly Duped said...

"Then Jodi let her know that she was offended by how she had been portrayed on the show. Kate said she had no idea."

What!? I think Jodi was portrayed as kind, caring, maternal, plus was very pretty. She came off much better than Kate and she had 4 kids of her own.She seemed to really love the G kids.

TLC stinks said...

We have no idea why Kate has kept Collin home, it's just my guess it's three reasons: to take care of the chickens; punish Collin; punish Jon.

We also have no idea what the arrangement is between Kate and Forrest, so I would not accuse him of false advertising without proof that the chickens at Kate's are being claimed as free range. Frankly, my thought was that she borrowed or rented the chickens to have a huge flock for the filming, but who knows?

Not a farmer girl, so I do not know about free range chickens but I do know about their predators and most certainly the dog would attack those chickens, so either the chickens are penned up or Shoka is tied up during the day. When I lived on acreage we had coyote and foxes all over the place. Wonder how Forrest protects his free range chickens during the day since his site says his go into their coop at night? I have seen foxes and coyotes during the daytime.

I thought Kate's chickens are confined to the barn because there is water and electricity? I know I read that at one time.

TLC stinks said...

Formerly Duped, Kate is sexist. Taking care of the chickens, in her mind, is a male job. God forbid Mady and Cara get dirty or be near chicken poop. Same goes for the girl tups. In fact, the only chore I know if that a Mady and a Cara do is load up the dishwasher, and that can't be much since all she uses are paper plates.

I really cannot knock her for giving the kids chores, it's just that she is a drill sergeant and I cannot imagine what the consequence is if something is not done exactly the way Kate wants it. Does anyone know if they get an allowance? I hope so and they should. Save every dime, kids, for your escape!

Tucker's Mom said...

I read so often about people shooting themselves while handling their own gun, or shooting a family member by accident. No guns allowed in my house. Period. If I've made it through 50+ years as a single woman without any other weapon besides a baseball bat and a cast iron skillet, I think I can make it through my remaining years the same :)
July 11, 2014 at 9:58 AM
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That gave me a good chuckle, Millicent!

SusanNH- roosters may be birds, but Kate won't be feeding them on her lap anytime.
Your chickens lived a long time!
I have this romantic notion of one day, owning a property with guinea hens roaming about.
I hear they're as dumb as a bag of hair, though.

Vanessa said...

TLC stinks said... 47
I have the original book and to summarize the email Kate to Julie Carson May:
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Thanks for that.


She's talking? She's writing letters?
Well she's lying. Period. Like I've said many times, must be really nice to say/do/behave any which way you want, treat people like shit, but then have the audacity to REWRITE history to suit your needs, to DEFEND your behavior, TO JUSTIFY IT. She is incapable of telling the truth. When there's no reason to lie she LIES. Why would THIS particular important "version" of the chain of events be the truth?

Future Nurse said...

Tucker's Mom - Thank you for looking up the Jodi information. So even Kate said it was about money. I thought she would have tried to say that Kevin and/or Jodi had done something wrong.

I always liked Kevin & Jodi. They were always around to help whether with the kids or projects around the house. They both seemed to genuinely love the all the Gosselins - kids and adults.

Tucker's Mom said...

FlimsyFlamsy said... 49
When you think of how much farmhand work those boys do, it makes
it even crueler to think that TFW, according to her admittedly true
nanny instructions, insists the kids get small portions. So what if
one of the boys left 3 or 4 mouthfuls on his plate? And her saying
they can always have seconds if they want...I imagine maybe they
wouldn't necessarily ask, because asking for things doesn't go well
in that house. They may just decide to stay hungry rather than
rock the boat. Just my humble opinion.
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My sediments, too.
I see nothing wrong with some chores and farm work, but.. compare this to The Pioneer Woman, who make a HUGE point of fueling her kids and farm hands with the most yummy food- and LOTS of it.

I've NEVER seen her ONCE dole portions out.
Her family eats at the table, with excellent manners, and if they want more, they can help themselves to seconds.

Vanessa said...

"Then Jodi let her know that she was offended by how she had been portrayed on the show. Kate said she had no idea."

What!? I think Jodi was portrayed as kind, caring, maternal, plus was very pretty. She came off much better than Kate and she had 4 kids of her own.She seemed to really love the G kids.
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I think this was in response to tfw AND Jon making Jodi out to be some ditzy flake.
"God bless her, she tries"
I don't think it was very tasteful or tactful. She's sweet, that's all. But the insinuation was they walk all over Jodi, that she doesn't command respect, that they don't OBEY her. She was making fun of her.

Future Nurse said...

Formerly Duped said... 60
"Then Jodi let her know that she was offended by how she had been portrayed on the show. Kate said she had no idea."

What!? I think Jodi was portrayed as kind, caring, maternal, plus was very pretty. She came off much better than Kate and she had 4 kids of her own.She seemed to really love the G kids.
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I agree that Jodi came off so much nicer and more caring than Kate ever did. Maybe Jodi was upset about how she was portrayed in Gumgate? I'm pretty sure I remember both Jon & Kate talking about Jodi being clueless. That would have upset me if I were Jodi.

TLC stinks said...

Formerly, I think there were instances when both Jon and Kate did not say nice things about Jodi...for instance Gumgate and Kate went off about Jodi being irresponsible and Jon saying something about the candy the kids got. However, anyone with a brain could see that Jodi was much better at mothering than Kate ever was, and Kate knew Jodi made her look bad. Kate DID NOT want Jodi to continue on the show for that reason in addition to getting paid above the helper salary.

Vanessa said...

As far as taking care of chickens may not be all that hard, it's just ONE MORE THING that those kids (boys!) are responsible for. There is no balance, no "time" for other things. I keep thinking back to Robert's account of the kids weeding in the hot sun, crying. Yes, chickens are no biggie, but it's the whole scenario. When/where does it end. We saw how she treated ALL the people in her life, it was always what can THEY do for ME. She's a slave driver

Future Nurse said...

Thank you TLC Stinks for the complete email rundown. It's so interesting that Kate of all people would say that someone else was being greedy.

Vanessa said...

Thank you TLC Stinks for the complete email rundown. It's so interesting that Kate of all people would say that someone else was being greedy.
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Ha, yes! Narcissists "mirror", meaning what hatred they spew, names they call you etc. is really only reflecting what they feel about themselves. Think about what was in that letter....now think of it as all applying to HER

TLC stinks said...

Yep, Future. Nurse. Kate expected everyone to help for FREE. It was all about not sharing the windfall and doing the right thing for family. She bringing up in the email how Jodi wanted to help and lived meeting famous people, so in Kate's mind Jodi should have been grateful for what little babysitting money she received. In Kate's mind, she was the star, she gave birth, she deserved every stinkin' penny and everyone else was GREEDY.

I am sooooo glad I have the original book. The actual documents are priceless. I could see Kate's wheels turning in that email to justify how she treated her own brother and SIL. It was convoluted and she contradicted herself.

Anonymous said...

IMO, Aunt Jodi was gaining a lot of fans and Kreider couldn't stand it. Yes, she read the blogs. "Mirror, Mirror, on the wall..."

"God bless her, she tries." Passive-Aggressive much?

PJ

lukebandit said...

Thanks, JR. For those who missed it, I put on a tweet to ate:

What happens at Shawshank, Stays at Shawshank!

Could of also put:

You get at Shawshank what you get and you don't get upset at Shawshank!

Winsomeone said...

"
Please, please, no one contact Forrest, or Forrest's customers because they think somehow Kate in sullying his business, or that he shouldn't be raising chickens with Kate on her property."

No one suggested contacting Forrest, period. But, the picture on his site showed chickens free ranging on a large grassy hill like area, with no fences in sight. So now you are saying she doesn't have some of his chickens? I guess I must have misunderstood someone along the way then.

Bitchy Pants said...

I don't have a problem with the kids having chores. At their ages they absolutely should be helping out around the house. My main objection is that, to TFMJG, chores seem to be the most important part of their day. The kids are regimented to within an inch of their lives. Chores seem to take precedence over school work, family time, and time to just BE. Kids need downtime. School is stressful. They need time to relax and daydream and read and play. Their schoolwork should get priority. IMO, most of their chores should be for the w/e, when they have more time. Keep their rooms straightened, pick up around the house a little, set and clear the paper plates at meal time and that's it on school days. Taking care of chickens isn't rocket science, but it is time consuming if it's done properly. Feeding and gathering eggs is no big deal, but watering involves also cleaning the water bowls or troughs and cleaning a coop can be a real chore. Chicken sh*t gets EVERYWHERE, and really needs to be scrubbed off with a wire brush. Does TFMJG have the boys wearing masks when they clean the coops? If not, they should be. Breathing coop dust is considered a major occupational health risk and exposes them to toxins and to histoplasmosis. NURSE Gosselin should know that. However, she never seems to be concerned about risks/hazards to her kids, except when it suits her purposes.

Unknown said...

From my experience, children behave differently when with different people. We have seen that when away from the controlling WOS, Jon's children smile and are happy. Jon is able to take all of them out in public with no problem.

When behind the locked gates, Jon's children know EXACTLY how they must behave due to the never ending lists of chores, complete with the boxes to tick off that they have done the chores according to WOS' demands and what will happen to them if they miss one tiny thing.

On the other hand, when at Jon's house they are allowed to eat as much as they want (according to Robert's personal observation) food is served family style and they are allowed to be children...not silent robots.

As Jon has said (and many of us agree with him) Jon's children DO know the truth and they know better than anyone else. After all they have lived it every day of their lives. Jon's children know they are loved by their father and no matter what TheCrazyFormerWife does, she will never ever be able to stop Jon from loving his children. Period.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Remember TFW's standard line about people loving them "for the right
reasons?" Or "we love them and they love us?" She was already
vigilant about making sure no one got a piece of the pie. It always
sounded strange when she'd make those comments. She was still
the sweatpants-wearing, frazzled, porcupine-haired mom, but the
paranoia was beginning to brew.

And I always felt her praise for Jodi had a subtext of, yeah, she's
a good egg, but she has no idea what it's like to have 8 kids. Meanwhile, on those standard Friday visits, Jodi was watching
12 kids, and could just as easily have said, "TFW has no idea
what it's like to watch 12 kids!" And I betcha Jodi didn't have a
fleet of staff helping with meals and cleaning and naptime!

lukebandit said...

By chance yesterday I watched the tups special when she was feeding them outside and they were a year old. Then they showed her on the couch. Wow. What a difference in the way she looked then and the way she looks now.

When she was sitting there, her upper legs spread out, she was much heavier. Her hair, teeth, chest, botox, her calves, eye color, I know there is more, but can't remember. Someone posted that she dumped, got rid of the old kate years ago. I wish there was side by side pictures of her TBT (Throw Back Thursday pic) and a pic of her in the update special sitting on the couch in her designer jeans, sitting where she is mooning everyone, like (kiss my *) and that Cowardly Lion wig she thinks she rocks, but Milo knows she rocks! hahahaha

sparkle said...

Ingrid said... 25
For those who are interested there's an interview with Jerry Sandusky's son on July 17 on Oprah's network.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/eye-on-college-football/24612730/oprah-winfrey-interview-with-adopted-son-of-jerry-sandusky-to-air-july-17
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I will be interested to see this, especially in light of Delusional Dottie's claim that 11-12 random young men just all spontaneously decided to make these false claims to make money. Sound familiar? To cover up lies or refuse to face reality, just claim that whistle blowers are after money.

It seems like PA has learned nothing from the Sandusky tragedy. The Gosselin children are living with an abusive monster. Mady said on national TV "all I've ever known is work." The boys are possibly tasked with caring for the neighbor farmer's chickens. Is this farmer profiting off child labor? Children screaming when they are returned to their mother, a mother who witholds visits to their father, angrily spanks them because they wanted to stay longer at their father's house. They are punished for loving their father and are being forced with violence to choose sides. This is cruel and unusual. Aside from hiring someone to write "Kate Gosselin is a child abuser" in the sky, what else needs to happen here? Because I highly suspect if a low-income mother was violating custody agreements and abusing her children she would be sitting in jail. There has been no intervention because Kate is hot to sue and wealthy, so she just gets a pass. Just like Penn State and Jerry Sandusky did for so long. Several young men could have been spared from being raped if something had been done when it was first investigated in the late 90s.

lukebandit said...

On FORREST'S website, it says that he and his family run the farm and he names a couple of family workers. And it also says they have 4 more valuable EMPLOYEES.

I am just wondering if those employees are ate and Colin, Joel and Aaden. Or the boys and someone else.

Tucker's Mom said...

I will make a nice full dinner and my son will have a baked potato, chicken or roast, vegetables, and a side of fruit, plus one or two glasses of milk. Then he's full .... until about 1 or 2 hours later, when he asked "what's for dinner?"! So he then has a 2nd dinner consisting of left overs from earlier. And he's skinny as a rail, burns it all off.

It seems most cruel to me to withhold food from your hungry children, especially when you can certainly afford to feed them plenty.

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That is exactly what I hear moms say about their boys.
They are hungry 24/7, and it's hard to keep the kitchen stocked!

It just ridiculous to make children 10 and 13 ask for more.
If there's more, have at it!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Just like TFW (sheeple/source) confirming that the nanny manual is true

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They're too much aren't they? No idea how to properly deflect. Oh well yeah the reason the nanny had to spy is because Jon is such a terrible terrible father. Lol, thus confirming the manual.

By the way Kate if you feel Jon needs to be spied on, you are welcome to ask the court of law for monitored visitation. What's wrong, they wouldn't give that to him?

Vanessa said...

@sparkle 81
Applause applause! Great post

TLC stinks said...

Excellent points above. Chicken coop cleaning is indeed exposing those children to toxins. Another example of pretending to be protective of her kids. She doesn't give a darn.

And yes, if she had issues with Jon, then get court ordered monitored visitation. That nanny has done Jon a HUGE favor. Kate response, through her source, PROVES parental alienation.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

The only reason Kate was so strict on the nannies pertaining to Jon is because he tells the tabloids what is going on within the family

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How could the nanny possibly know that he does or did this? Does Jon frequently make calls to his tabloid sources in front of the nanny? Come off it, Deanna.

Jeanne said...

The only way for kids to not waste food/put the right amount on their plates is for them to learn by trying. When kids are toddlers you put food on the plate for them and cut it up. As they get older, you pass them a dish and let them take some. Some meals they will take too much and waste it. You talk to them calmly about it. (Then like most parents you eat their leftovers as your own second serving so it's not wasted anyway.) After a few months of trial and error, they learn. The Gosselins should have learned this years ago. She stunts their growth in so many ways. I feel so bad for them going hungry with those tiny portions.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


The only way for kids to not waste food/put the right amount on their plates is for them to learn by trying. When kids are toddlers you put food on the plate for them and cut it up. As they get older, you pass them a dish and let them take some. Some meals they will take too much and waste it. You talk to them calmly about it.


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Exxxxactly. The constant control (i.e. CODDLING) of their portions does not help them to develop portion control skills.

It's the old "your eyes were bigger than your stomach, son!" But that's how we learn, as you said. Knowing how much you can, and in some cases, SHOULD eat is a skill. When someone never lets you decide that it can be difficult to develop this skill.

And you know what, it's not THAT big of a deal if they take too much now and again. Scrape it back into the pot. We're all family.

LaLaLandNoMore said...

If TFW had only been a nicer person, she would still be hawking a brand today. Too many people have seen through this. It really is over. Had she been willing to share even a small portion of her "golden platter" look where they might be today. She messed up. Couldn't even try to be nice for profit. I realize she has money stashed to last a life-time, but they could have had enough to last for generations of Gosselins. Nice counts! Nobody likes a person who is unwilling to share.

Millicent said...

Admin said:

And you know what, it's not THAT big of a deal if they take too much now and again. Scrape it back into the pot. We're all family.
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My parents firmly practiced "waste not, want not." They both grew up during the Depression years. Then they had a large family and had to stick closely to a grocery budget. So wastefulness was frowned upon.

However, we always had a couple of dogs, and several cats, among the host of animals on our farm. Food scraps were divided among the chickens (vegetable/fruit scraps), and the dogs and cats.

As with anything, the best way to learn something is by doing. Letting children attempt new skills is the only way they will learn. But Kate has never been interested in teaching her children, or raising them to be productive adults.

Formerly Duped said...

The kids look pretty healthy; maybe one boy skinny and one girl ever so slightly chubby.Kate said she was amazed they can now pour their own juice. Maybe they have a little more freedom in the kitchen...I hope so.I noticed some Post-it note on the breakfast shelf from which they apparently can make their own cereal etc from. I hope it doesn't say "no one eat more than 2 TBSP of cereal" or something!

Rainbirdie said...

Millicent said... 50

In my community, a 13 year old boy was shot and killed by a Sheriff while walking on a neighborhood street carrying a BB gun. It was a horrific tragedy and the community is still very divided over what happened
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We are apparently neighbors Millicent. Without getting too OT regarding gun opinions, the child that was killed was walking through a neighborhood carrying a pellet gun that was designed to look like an AK-47. He apparently also had a replica pistol in his waistband. And some reports say that both toy guns were missing the orange tip that is required to be on toy guns. In this day & age of school shootings & random violence, who buys a young kid a pellet gun that is purposely designed to look like an assault rifle? It was a disaster just waiting to happen. (Whether the sheriff should have shot him dead is a whole different issue IMO)

Bitchy Pants said...

Admin, I disagree with you that TFMJG's control over her kids is coddling. Coddling means to indulge, overprotect, pamper. Her rigidity and regimentation of the kids is about control, not indulgence. She doesn't pamper and overprotect them, she over-supervises them and doesn't allow them to stretch and grow. Her many restrictions and limitations on them isn't because she fears danger but because she fears exposure. BIG difference.

I agree with whomever upthread said that TFMJG had something to hide and that is why she wanted Jon spied upon and freaked over his (maybe) taking papers from the house. He's been forbidden entrance into the sacred kingdom for 4 years. The only time he could have searched for and taken papers was during and very shortly after the divorce. He'd have been a fool NOT to look for papers pertaining to marital assets. Despite some people wanting to portray Jon as stupid, I don't think he is. Passive, yes. Easy going, definitely. Stupid -- no way.

Sad but true said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 89

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And you know what, it's not THAT big of a deal if they take too much now and again. Scrape it back into the pot. We're all family.

^^ And that shouldn't be too big a concern, since she's already acknowledged that THE BIRD eats off their plates. Which I find just gross.

F&M Alumna said...

Re: the shopping trip for the sextuplets' party clothes on the special episode: have any sharp-eyed viewers noticed if the children were actually wearing the new clothes at the carnival party?

lukebandit said...

Does anyone know the total number of cookbooks that ate sold?

Lalalalala said...

Oh my gosh, I just have to laugh about Kate's food control. The weekends for us was a time of sleeping in when the kids were very young. I would hear my son get up around 7:00am who was 4-years-old at the time. He immediately went into his sister's bedroom who was 3. He'd wake her up, sit her at the breakfast table and pour a bowl of cereal for each of them. We could hear him take the milk out of the refrigerator and pour the milk in the bowls. Then he would get their special plastic glasses and pour juice. They always had the funniest conversations during this little breakfast meeting that was just between the two of them. My husband and I had to cover our mouths so they couldn't hear us laughing. Of course, there was a huge mess with cereal and milk and juice all over the table but I wouldn't trade those memories for anything. Kate misses out on soooo much with her constant control, but it's the kids that are really missing out. There's no bonding time at all with those kids.

Formerly Duped said...

F&M Alumna said... 96
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Yes they were wearing the new clearance clothes.they didn't show what they all picked, but the ones they did, were visible in the party scene.

Kate made remarks on the selection/preferences of a few kids, but didn't know what Joel liked. He picked a blue graphic Tee and shorts; Collin similar, Leah a gauzy overtop and tank, Hannah a tie-dye blue top, Alexis a shimmery kind of top, Aaden green? I think. Mady said all the clothes were ugly.

PJ's momma said...

F&M Alumna, I didn't notice if the kids were wearing the clothes at the party, because you really didn't see what they bought, but some at least of the girls were wearing clothes they were looking at, at the start of the show, where they were all running around the basement!

PJ's momma said...

Formerly Duped, I just went and watched a few minutes again, and Mady probably thinks she's being cute, but wow, she is just like her mom and comes off quite mean about the kids picking their own clothes. My mom would not have allowed me to talk like that, ever. She would have said, "Shut your mouth or I'll shut it for you." Even though she was terrible, rudeness was just not tolerated. Ever.

PA Dutch Mom said...

I've NEVER seen her ONCE dole portions out.
Her family eats at the table, with excellent manners, and if they want more, they can help themselves to seconds.

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That's how we were all raised, and that's how it's done in our family. I think that's rather common around here. Everything is served family style on the table. I remember when my daughter had dinner at her new friend's house for the first time. They were imports from New York. Wonderful family, new to the area. She came home and said, "Mom, they serve food from the stove. Her mother puts the food on their plates and then she brings the plates to the table." She had never seen that done before. It was kind of funny to hear her explain how it was done. She wanted to know if we could try doing it that way. I asked her if she wouldn't miss the big bowl of mashed potatoes on the table. She replied that she'd have to think about that one!

westcoastie said...

Rainbirdie said... 93
Millicent said... 50

Also regarding that shooting in our 'neighborhood'.............
I believe a witness came forward that said he told the young man to cool it with the gun as police were in the area and the kid ignored the man. Also, I think I read or heard on the news that the coroner reported THC in his system.
Still a sad situation.

Anonymous said...

To paraphrase a famous Parenting expert, Barbara Coloroso, if you don't let kids make little mistakes, you can guarantee they'll make big ones. Children learn from their mistakes and learn about consequences. Little kids make little mistakes. Big kids make bigger ones.

The G kids should be using their own brains and not simply following orders. The minute they have their freedom, they'll likely be in big trouble. They've never had the freedom to make those little mistakes.

My BFF never let her son handle his own money. When he got a job at 16, she took it and did his banking and managed every dime he got. Guess what? He got himself $40,000 in debt in his first two years of college and had nothing to show for it.

PJ

Formerly Duped said...

oops.., just checked. Joel had a graphic Tee and a blue polo in the store in his hands but apparently went for the polo. Isn't he the one who is the best dresser as per People and the couch interview- he's cute. Aaden's was neon more yellow than green, and Collin had an astronaut graphic blue Tee. Girls as above! To ease your inquiring minds! Lol.

Btw, Mady had a nice summer dress, but Cara did not match- green shorts, I think, with another color of Tee.

Rhymes with Witch said...

Bitchy 94

Very well.stated. She is a control freak.

Rhymes with Witch said...

OT. Is anyone else creeped out by the Dish commercials about the wires?

PA Dutch Mom said...

Formerly Duped, I just went and watched a few minutes again, and Mady probably thinks she's being cute, but wow, she is just like her mom and comes off quite mean about the kids picking their own clothes. My mom would not have allowed me to talk like that, ever. She would have said, "Shut your mouth or I'll shut it for you." Even though she was terrible, rudeness was just not tolerated. Ever.

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PJ's...you just brought back a memory of something I hadn't thought about in years. My mother and I were shopping in a department store in downtown Lancaster. She was in the dressing room with me. I found a dress I really liked. She wanted me to try on something else. I gave her a "big mouth." I wanted what I wanted. I must have been eight or nine...no older. She took the dresses out to the floor and said, "Come on. We're going home. Now you get nothing." My mother was the best mom in the world, but she didn't tolerate rudeness or backtalk. When she said something, she meant it!

I didn't get anything new on that shopping trip.

PA Dutch Mom said...

Please, please, no one contact Forrest, or Forrest's customers because they think somehow Kate in sullying his business, or that he shouldn't be raising chickens with Kate on her property."

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Someone over on Twitter will pester Forrest. Wait for it.

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

Someone over on Twitter will pester Forrest. Wait for it.
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Someone tried earlier today, but they tweeted some farm in Tennessee asking if their chickens free ranged on Kate Gosselin's land.

Layla said...

It sounds to me like Kate and Forrest have a lot of business arrangements going on. She lets him farm her land, and in exchange he plows her driveway and mows her lawn. I recall last winter she tweeted about her farmer neighbor plowing the driveway. That must be Forrest. She keeps some chickens for him, and he provides her with chicken feed. Remember when she tweeted about going to a neighbor'sfarm to get chicken feed and Alexis said they needed a dispenser like that for cereal? Forrest again, for sure. He has an organic farm, so the feed is surely organic. And he may sell some eggs for her. She gets to save money on moving/plowing, she gets free chicken feed, and she may make some egg money--and the only work required is the chicken care that she makes the boys perform. She always finds ways to make the kids line her pockets, whether it's exploiting them on TV or forcing them to perform manual labor.

It's possible that the chickens on her property are free range. In the book I recall Jon and Kate were given free electric fencing for the dogs, and she was happy about it and said they had gotten out and roamed 3 miles away. If there isan electric fence, she can keep Shoka away from the chickens.

Carole said...

Wonder how Forrest protects his free range chickens during the day since his site says his go into their coop at night? I have seen foxes and coyotes during the daytime.

I thought Kate's chickens are confined to the barn because there is water and electricity? I know I read that at one time.



There are pics on the farm's FB page that show they have at least 1 200# mountain dog protecting the chickens. A comment said the breed bonds with and protects the flock.

Yes, there is electricity and a water source for TFW's chickens. IDK if or why they'd be kept indoors all the time. Someone upthread commented the chart said something about letting the chickens out in the am. Chickens I know of go outside during the day and head into their coops for the night and for egg laying.

Layla said...

Tucker's Mom said:
Can you imagine your 15-year old boy sidling up to your counter and portioning out a paltry serving on his plate?

Our friends have 2, count 'em, 2 teen boys, and their mom says they eat them out of house and home.
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Amen to that! I have a large family, all boys, and it's mind-boggling to see how much they can eat. Oddly enough, the thinnest one eats the most, hands-down.
Do any of you remember that commercial a few years ago--it was for some credit card rewards points, and the mom was talking about getting rewards points (to save for a vacation) for buying groceries for her four teenage sons. The boys are helping unpack the groceries, and eating things straight out of the bag (mine do that!). The father asks one of them, "Are you eating butter?" I loved that commercial because it is so accurate.

Let's throw tomatoes said...

Remember Kate uses people like tools. That Forrester guy doesn't have a chance against a master manipulater.

As far as Madys behavior I always worried about poor Alexis. For whatever reason she use to clobber Alexis in front of the cameras all the time and would make her cry. I hope that has changed but I don't think Mady's aggressive personality has changed according to what you're all saying. Mady seems to have her mothers demeanor . Just an observation!

And Kate keeps buying followers about 12,000 since her return from CA. I wonder if she's thinking that if her TV appearances dry up her scamming on twitter can and will continue!

Formerly Duped said...

On the special Aaden only had about 6 or 7 eggs in his little basket, Is that normal?

PA Dutch Mom said...

Someone tried earlier today, but they tweeted some farm in Tennessee asking if their chickens free ranged on Kate Gosselin's land.

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That would be one heck of a commute! Wait a minute. Isn't Gladys from the Deep South? Maybe they could hitch a ride with her (him) when she comes North to do her monthly window peerin and communicatin.

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

That would be one heck of a commute! Wait a minute. Isn't Gladys from the Deep South? Maybe they could hitch a ride with her (him) when she comes North to do her monthly window peerin and communicatin.
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Or Kate could drive on down on her John Deere Gator wearin her daisy dukes and pick up Milo after droppin' off them chickins.

Rainbirdie said...

Rhymes with Witch said... 107
OT. Is anyone else creeped out by the Dish commercials about the wires?
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OMG - yes!

Sleepless In Seattle said...

Someone tried earlier today, but they tweeted some farm in Tennessee asking if their chickens free ranged on Kate Gosselin's land.

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I just took a look at Kate's TL. Yep. It's starting.

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

Well, the non fans have picked up on the chicken story and are all blasting Springcreek Farm now accusing them of child labor, etc.

FYI said...

Someone over on Twitter will pester Forrest. Wait for it.
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Someone tried earlier today, but they tweeted some farm in Tennessee asking if their chickens free ranged on Kate Gosselin's land.
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Now some of the haters are tweeting to what they think is Forrest's farm's twitter. Do they ever check out anything before they tweet? First, one of them harassed a place in TN, now others are harassing an organization in CA, that tweets about different farmers and farms in the USA and has nothing to do with Forrest. They're also tweeting the Reading Eagle to investigate.

IMO, they're just showing what a bunch of idiots they are and are sometimes dumber than some of the sheeple.

Aunt Connie said...

It is not right that those little boys do that chicken work for nothing, really, while there has to be a reward there for Kate, or she wouldn't allow it. But actually, is it any harder than every-day chores most farm kids do? It's not right, I agree. But the boys are benefiting by learning how to be dependable, and reaping satisfaction (hopefully), from a job well done. Please don't think I am defending Kate. I do not and never will, but it isn't all that bad for the little boys. They are benefiting just because they are doing it well.

SMH. said...

The non fans are about as dumb as the sheep tonight. They're including the farm in TN and some local harvest organization in CA in their tweets. On top of that, spring creek farm is a sort of resort for you to get the farm experience. We call the sheeple out on things like this so it's only fair to call the other side out also.

If any of you read here, @springcreekfarm is in TN And is NOT next door to Kate. Do a little research!

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

IMO, they're just showing what a bunch of idiots they are and are sometimes dumber than some of the sheeple.
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Yep. Then every non fan is painted with the same brush.

Carole said...

‏@Cowsbytheriver
@ReadingEagle @Kateplusmy8 boys are raising chickens/eggs as organic for Spring Creek Farms. Please investigate

@Cowsbytheriver
@ashymama2 @SpringCreekFarm @Kateplusmy8 if Forrest claims he's raising them, that's fraud. No wonder Colin can't go see his dad



I'm sorry if I'm stepping on anyone's toes, but this really ticks me off! From everything we know Forrest is a nice, hardworking farmer who was kind enough to help with TFW's first chickens and gave the kids a tour of his farm. What in the hell he do to warrant this kind of treatment and invasion of his privacy and these accusations?

There is NO proof whatsoever that the Gosselin kids are 'raising' organic chickens/eggs for him, and even if they are, who says they're not organic? PLUS, if they are, there's nothing that makes it fraudulent. We don't know everything he sells and/or the labels on every product. Farmers use many people's land and employ many different people on their farms. OMG, I think my brain is going to explode. Leave this man alone. smh

SMH. said...

Kate is a twit I just posted the same thing as you. We're a smart lot over here and all it took was for me to click on the @springcreekfarms to view their profile.

FYI said...

Carole-I agree with everything you said in your comment. They just pick up on something and run with it before even thinking about it. They are just showing what a bunch of fools they are.

SMH--I wouldn't even call them non-fans. They are haters, through and through.

Sleepless In Seattle said...

I'm sorry if I'm stepping on anyone's toes, but this really ticks me off! From everything we know Forrest is a nice, hardworking farmer who was kind enough to help with TFW's first chickens and gave the kids a tour of his farm. What in the hell he do to warrant this kind of treatment and invasion of his privacy and these accusations?

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I was just about to post the same thing. We have no idea what the chicken arrangement is. We don't have the facts about who is doing what with whose chickens, what money (if any) is changing hands, how much the kids are working or farming, or whatever. We don't know if this has anything to do with Collin or whether he sees his dad, nor do we have any evidence that TFW is using the kids as "slave" labor.

Nothing good is going to come from these accusations. Nothing.

a coincidence is not the same as an accident said...

Rhymes with Witch,
YES!!!!! Those Dish wire commercials are CREEPY!!! The one where the couple is in the bedroom REALLY skeeves me out!

IMO, they're worse on the creep scale than those Burger King commercials from about 10 years ago.

Blowing In The Wind said...

How did this rumor get started? The one about Kate using her children as farm hands? To contact the newspaper, the farmer, and God knows who else is wrong. It's just plain wrong. Period. I dislike Kate and the way she uses her kids as much as the next person, but this is just going too far.

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

Looks like it started here with the talk about Forrest. Someone post a link to his farm shown a chicken coop they thought looked like the one Kate was building. The only similarity I could see was both used chicken wire.

Someone then said later that it looked like Forrest and Kate had a side deal and the boys weren't being compensated.

Speculation run amok IMO.

lukebandit said...

Speaking of family style eating with bowls, plates and platters of food. There is a restaurant in Atlanta that has been in business for years and they have big round wooden tables and serve the food in the old McCoy and stoneware bowls and strangers dine together.

When they first open people come in and everyone prays and then everyone starts digging in and passing the bowls of wonderful food. They said it cost 16 dollars and that was years ago.

Found it! Thought it was in Atlanta, but it is in Savannah.

http://www.yelp.com/biz/mrs-wilkes-dining-room-savannah

lukebandit said...

CowsbytheRiver tweeted that Forrest has chickens that free range on kate's land and the boys working and my addy is on there, but I had nothing to do with it. My addy was grabbed off the Shawshank tweet.

But, looky here!


Dr. Seth @DrSethMeyers

A sign of someone with a #personalitydisorder: You always end up feeling like you can't win with them, no matter what. #mentalillness #quote - 11 Jul

lukebandit@lukebandit

@DrSethMeyers Dr. Seth, have U gotten a response back from Kate Gosselin? It would B wonderful 2 interview Robert Hoffman. Please consider! - 11 July

Dr. Seth @DrSethMeyers

@lukebandit Yes, I will reach out. Thanks for the suggestion!


GO ROBERT GO! Book sales a few minutes ago is still averaging 70 per day!

NJGal51 said...

I agree that those dish commercials are creepy - especially the bedroom one.

The haters current tirade makes TFW look like a victim. They're running with something without any facts. I think it may have started here when someone innocently asked who Forrest was because the charts on the chairs said something about Forrest's chickens.

TLC stinks said...

Is Kate going to try and sue Robert?

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No. She's afraid of discovery. That article says nothing new.

I think anyone who associates with Kate leaves themselves open to speculation. I feel for Forrest but I do wonder why she has some of his chickens, especially since she has led everyone to believe they are all hers. See, if she did not film or lie, none of this would blow up.

Sleepless In Seattle said...

The haters current tirade makes TFW look like a victim.

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And in this case, she would have every right to be ticked off about this.

I just defended Kate? I need a double shot of something...

Anonymous said...

How do you know the people tweeting aren't the same people that post on this blog? I don't know anybody here or on twitter. They could be one and the same.

PJ

Let's throw tomatoes said...

We don't know if she is or isn't working those kids in her chicken business. Or what is the connection with that Forrester guy. Maybe it's time someone intervenes and finds out what's going on behind closed doors. I can think of one excellent candidate, their dad . Jon needs to find out if Kate has taken the boys chores to hard labor. They started caring for those chickens 2 or 3 years ago.

And I wouldn't compare them to farm children. I have a feeling the Gosselin boys do a lot more then just take care of the chickens!

# KateWillNeverBeConsideredAVictim

Sherry Baby said...

NJ, 135: The haters current tirade makes TFW look like a victim. They're running with something without any facts. I think it may have started here when someone innocently asked who Forrest was because the charts on the chairs said something about Forrest's chickens.

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Someone on Twitter posted the address of the Harrisburg OSHA office, along with the phone number.
Why are they doing this? This really is taking this whole thing too far, and yes, it does make Kate look like a victim.

Sherry Baby said...

I feel for Forrest but I do wonder why she has some of his chickens, especially since she has led everyone to believe they are all hers. See, if she did not film or lie, none of this would blow up.

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But it's nobody's concern about who owns the chickens, who cares for the chickens, if Kate's chickens wander over to Forrest's chickens to do the "Pick-A-Little" cheep cheep dance, or what.

Did Kate ever say that they were all her chickens? Did the subject ever come up about Forrest and his chickens? Did she lie...and about what?

This is just going way too far and I hope that this man isn't pecked to death over this. He's done nothing to deserve harassment.

Future Nurse said...

Rhymes with Witch said... 107
OT. Is anyone else creeped out by the Dish commercials about the wires?
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Those commercials are so creepy and weird.


I don't Twitter, so if not for this blog I would have no idea of the constant love/hate battle happening on Kate's timeline. I agree with the many posters who are saying that the serious haters that live on her timeline make Kate look like a victim.
Imagine if you hadn't followed the Gosselin saga. You read Robert's book or see an article about it online. You get curious, so you look for Kate's online presence. You click on her Twitter timeline maybe expecting to see some "hate" based on the accusations in the book - maybe someone calling her a child abuser or asking her questions about the book. Instead you see completely unfounded harassment of not only Kate, but people who may or may not be involved with her. And even of some people who definitely aren't involved with her (the farm in another state). It would really make me question the credibility of anything said about Kate to see such rabid haters as my introduction to the Gosselin saga. I sincerely wish the people on Twitter would dial it back a notch...or two.

Let's throw tomatoes said...

Sherry Baby it has to be someone's concern. If those boys are running what is potentionally a chicken/ egg business that is a huge responsibility. Those boys are only 10 years old. And we all know Kate is a lazy ass and probably does very little to nothing. And they have been in charge of those chickens for years!

What's with the outcry?? Shouldn't someone investigate what is really going on here for the children's sake?? I don't trust Kate at all if anything she is a total liar and comes across as a uncaring mother. This sounds like it's more then just chores.

#KateWillNeverBeThoughtOfAsAVictim

Let's throw tomatoes said...

But I forgot to mention that I do agree with you Sherry Baby that Forrester the farmer should not be harassed. If he has been contacted his probably thinking " whaaaaaat " ???

Sherry Baby said...

. Jon needs to find out if Kate has taken the boys chores to hard labor. They started caring for those chickens 2 or 3 years ago.

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They spend time with Jon. I certainly would hope that at least of the eight kids would tell him what's going on with the chickens and what exactly is their role in the care of this flock or flocks.

And yes, when haters start tweeting a farmer, OSHA, the newspapers, and media outlets, it does make Kate look like a victim.

NJGal51 said...

The boys do take care of the chickens but I don't think it's the chain gang that people are making it out to be.

Carole said...

On the special Aaden only had about 6 or 7 eggs in his little basket, Is that normal?

No. Collecting 18-24 eggs/day from the 50 chickens she says she has isn't normal. She should be getting closer to 50 eggs/day unless her hens are old and unable to produce and if that's the case idk why she isn't eating them. It makes no sense to continue the expense of feeding a chicken that isn't producing.

T said...

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said... 131
Looks like it started here with the talk about Forrest. Someone post a link to his farm shown a chicken coop they thought looked like the one Kate was building. The only similarity I could see was both used chicken wire.

Someone then said later that it looked like Forrest and Kate had a side deal and the boys weren't being compensated.

Speculation run amok IMO.
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I'm the poster who asked who Forrest was, but Kate was the one who exposed herself. It's all 100% captured on film. In part 1 of the special when they showed the boys doing their chicken chores, the camera captured a lingering shot of a checklist that the boys had to fill out after completing their chicken related chores. The checklist had 2 separate headings. One said "Our Chickens" followed by a list of questions, and the second heading said "Forrest's Chickens" also followed by questions. Those are the facts that anyone can see for themselves if they watch the special. As to what the relationship is with Forrest, type or number of chickens, and how much work the boys complete for him does remain open to speculation. However, I don't think it is Forrest, or the chickens themselves that upset people, I think it is Kate's misrepresentation and deceit that frustrate so many of us. Let's not forget that she is the queen of contradiction. When she first got the chickens (and had an entire Kate plus 8 episode about it), Kate said they got chickens because they went through 2-3 dozen eggs a day and having chickens would save money. Then on her website (during one of her ask Kate blogs) she said she the goal was to be able to sell eggs one day. Then on the most recent special she said "the bottom line reason for having the chickens was so that boys could do man chores because they did not have a live in male role model" (I'm paraphrasing her nonsense, but that was pretty close). All we are saying is pick a reason (and be consistent w/it), and stop lying! In others words don't go on TV representing that the chickens are all yours, and then in the same episode show a chart clearly showing that at least some of them belong to "Forrest".

AuntieAnn said...

Sleepless In Seattle said... 137

The haters current tirade makes TFW look like a victim.

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And in this case, she would have every right to be ticked off about this.

I just defended Kate? I need a double shot of something...

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I agree. It's like the Telephone Game or Chinese Whispers. It sure doesn't do anything to dignify this blog. We've got enough substantiated stories of how she operates without having to rely on conjecture of a chickengate conspiracy.

TLC stinks said...

Kate Plus 8 blog, Ask Kate, May 17, 2013:

14. Q: Can you tell us how the chickens are doing? Do you still use your little chicken coop? About how many eggs do you/ kiddos collect in a day? Oh – And how many chickens do you have? Do you feed them all organic?
-Yvonne
A: Great question, Yvonne! The chickens are doing wonderfully! We have about 45-50 chickens and we get 2-3 dozen eggs daily! We eat lots of eggs and give (would love to start selling some too) lots away… We feed our chickens strictly organically and even the table scraps (chickens LOVE them) we feed them are only organic! Chickens are great “pets,” great source of food, and teach life lessons in responsibility so they get the total thumbs up from me (except when I have to haul 300 pounds of chicken feed down to the barn about every 5 weeks or so!)!

TLC stinks said...

Over the years, Kate Plus 8 star Kate Gosselin has dodged accusations that she’s too bossy when it comes to her mothering skills. And now, the mom of eight is taking control of the word and using it to her advantage!

In a blog post titled, “Who’s The Boss?” Gosselin writes:

“Over the years, as the kids have gotten older, they have mainly taken over the feeding and watering of the chickens, who reside in our barn. Early on, Collin was named the “chicken farmer” and primarily does the chicken care. Aaden and Joel help him and from time to time the girls also go along on the daily trek to the barn.

Each day when the kids return, I ask them, “Are all waters filled? Are all feeders filled?” The answer is always “yes”. However, when I go down to the barn to do an inspection, typically I’m finding a different situation! They are kids learning responsibility so I tried to be patient as I explained and re-explained the importance of being thorough, doing the job well, caring effectively for our chickens who so kindly supply us with eggs, and reporting accurate information! How to handle this situation best and correct this problem?? Very recently I had a brainstorm!


While sorting out who would do the chicken care one day, I assigned two “workers” Collin and Aaden and then I assigned a “BOSS” Joel. The role of the workers were to feed and water the chickens and collect the eggs. The role of the BOSS was to supervise and report if all of the work had been completed properly!

This has been a huge hit at my house and has become a daily trend! My girls, who have long considered the chickens and the barn “boys work,” are now offering to join in the chicken effort, if only as the BOSS, but at least they are willing! Hannah and Mady specifically enjoy this role (imagine that!) and I’ve allowed them to assume the role a time or two!
Mainly though, it remains the boys job and they rotate BOSS position, which they thoroughly enjoy!
The information I’m receiving is more accurate now that there is a BOSS watching and the job is getting done because the “workers” are being held accountable! Problem solved!
And who in life doesn’t like to be the BOSS?

xoxo
K8″

TLC stinks said...

Excerpt from Kate's Wife Swap chore manual:

Once dinner is in the oven at 3:30 p.m., I head to the bus stop to pick up the kids by 4 p.m. As soon as everyone walks through the door, they know the routine. Shoes off, change uniforms, wash hands, do chores, pack lunches.
The boys feed the chickens and use walkie-talkies to keep in contact. When the boys are done, it's time for dinner. Please don't forget to wash and store the eggs properly.
Once everyone is finished eating dinner, and have brushed and rinsed their teeth, it's back to work. There are two chore lists on the fridge. The kids spring into action to complete their chores. One person wipes the table, one person sweeps the floor, one person Windex's the stainless steel, two people clean the basement and family room, and someone feeds the dog. Mady and Cara are on dish and counter duty. It's the boys' job to clean the bathrooms since they're the ones who usually mess them up.
At 6:30 p.m. everyone does their homework. If they don't have homework, it's play time.
At 7:00 p.m. it's time for the littles to get in the shower. This is always a hectic time of day. There is often lots of fighting so be on your toes.
At 7:30 p.m. the six are in bed. Thank goodness. At 8:00 p.m. it's officially lights out for the little kids.
Around the same time, Mady & Cara are finishing up their homework, getting ready for bed, and we hang out together till around 9:30 p.m. They might be watching TV or playing on my iPad, but they have to ask permission first.

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

In this case of "Forrest and the eggs" I don't think the excuse that if Kate didn't put everything out there, there wouldn't be this outcry. It's the third party and the non-related people, farms, agencies being dragged into the battle that is the problem some here are trying to point out, apparently to no avail for some.

Mel said...

IDK.... it seems to me that if you don't want things in your life questioned, then don't put them (or your life) out there on national tv.

Interesting that the camera man so clearly gave a good gander at thst check list. Perhaps someone doing what they could to stand up for the kids?

Chores are good. Making the boys and the nanny, but not the girls, run a business for you not so good.

Lying about just whose chickens these are is what is so enraging. Nobody likes a liar. If 'Forrest' is participating in a lie, which he is....allowing TFW to spout off (or imply) on national tv that they are all her chickens is partcipating in a lie...then he deserves to get called out on it.

What's the purpose of lying about it anyway? Nobody would care if she said hey, we have 10 chickens, and we care for 40 of the neighbor's chickens in exchange for him selling our eggs (or whatever).

But no, she's gotta lie about it. How else is she gonna imply that she's this poor single mom, doing it aaaallllll by her poor little self.

The Empress is a Clown said...

Re the "chickengate" posts & tweets:

How is this situation different than the swarm of negative tweets & nasty emails, visited upon the company from whom TFW grifted swimwear? And might it also bear some resemblance to how people at one time pestered the companies that market cosmetics-of-the-month gift boxes and Bella Bars? These attacks came from people associated with this blog and not, including but not limited to the more extreme "haters."

Customers (TFW fans and foes alike) place under a microscope everyone who's ever associated with a company in any way. Accusations fly; people's reputations (their very livelihoods) are called into question. And at the other end of the spectrum, fawning and free promotion. For better and worse, that's the heartbeat of free enterprise.

That's not to suggest that the "chickengate" tweets being called into question are right; I don't. But before we point fingers (or pat ourselves on the back), I wonder if we might think about how & where we draw the line/create distinctions.

JoyinVirginia said...

Rhymes with witch, yes those ads about the satellite TV and wires are just icky. Then only one halfway funny is when the puppet father in law is trying to fight with human son in law. I switch the channel when they come on.
Once again, so happy I do not have to deal with twidiots who twit. Sounds ridiculous.

Mel said...

As the only adult in the house, shouldn't *she* be the one providing oversight on chore completion?

Sounds like she actually never goes to the barn. She just has 'information' reported back to her. #lazyassmom

localyocul said...

LC stinks said... 153
Excerpt from Kate's Wife Swap chore manual:

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You know, I used to think that was exaggerated for the show but no more. A few things:

The boys have to do the same chores as the girls PLUS feed the chickens and clean the bathrooms.

Who cleans bathrooms every day?

The littles only have 1/2 worth of homework?

Six kids take showers and get in bed within 1/2 hour?

If they don't have homework they get a whopping 1/2 hour of playtime during the school week. IF they don't have homework. Otherwise they get zero.

Why do those girls have to ask permission to watch TV? Can't they have a running rule that you can watch TV once your homework is done?

localyocul said...

My girls, who have long considered the chickens and the barn “boys work,” are now offering to join in the chicken effort, if only as the BOSS, but at least they are willing! Hannah and Mady specifically enjoy this role (imagine that!) and I’ve allowed them to assume the role a time or two!

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No.Words.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

TLC Stinks (#153), thanks for that excerpt from TFW's Wife Swap
manual. I finally picked my jaw up off the floor, and will get away
from the "F" word (Forrest) for a minute. I hadn't watched the show
(my brain responds very poorly to whatever frequency TFW
screeches at), so to see those words in black and white is kind
of jarring.

But my first thought is this. TFW (via whatever flunky she's using
this week as her mouthpiece) claimed in the Radar article that
Jon couldn't be on her property because he steals things and then
tells the tabloids her business. But she found it A-okay perfectly
fine and appropriate to share her children's daily schedules -
down to the hour - on national TV? And for a final dose of
hypocrisy, got a week off from her kids and a trip to California
and a paycheck as a reward for this violation of their privacy?
It is this repeated behavior that makes so many of us reluctant
to give TFW the benefit of the doubt.

Luke's Mom said...

T said... 149
Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said... 131
Looks like it started here with the talk about Forrest. Someone post a link to his farm shown a chicken coop they thought looked like the one Kate was building. The only similarity I could see was both used chicken wire.

Someone then said later that it looked like Forrest and Kate had a side deal and the boys weren't being compensated.

Speculation run amok IMO.
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I'm the poster who asked who Forrest was, but Kate was the one who exposed herself. It's all 100% captured on film. In part 1 of the special when they showed the boys doing their chicken chores, the camera captured a lingering shot of a checklist that the boys had to fill out after completing their chicken related chores. The checklist had 2 separate headings. One said "Our Chickens" followed by a list of questions, and the second heading said "Forrest's Chickens" also followed by questions. ..........
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I did not watch the shows so I can not verify if this is true BUT if it is than, yes, Kate SHOULD be called out on another BIG FAT LIE!

And Kate should be called out for how she has forced the boys to work a JOB (not just household chores) but a REAL JOB ! Forest has a business and if they are caring for Forest's chickens than those boys are WORKING A JOB and working it EVERY DAY - EVERY DAY! NO Break! Those boys just turned 10 years old.

And if true, it would appear that the boys most likely WORK at a REAL JOB more hours than Kate does. SHAMEFUL!

Please, can others confirm this chore chart? I really hope someone recorded the episode and can get a screen shot.

Formerly Duped said...

Well, actually I think the BOSS idea is ok, if the role is rotated among the boys. (The girls should not be able to only choose that role) If I were those boys I would rather report to a brother Boss than to Kate. I would call it Manager or something , though. But now the clipboard checklist seems to have replaced the Boss role unless it's the boss who fills it in. JMO.And the girls should rotate in for ALL the roles just as the boys should do KP sometimes instead of chickens.And be Inspector Gadget (dumb name) But I think they may like being on their own away from the McMansion, regimented as the job is.

And I don't think it's fair the boys always get bathroom duty. And how can the family room and basement get messed up in that short period of time? Bed at 7 :30? I know they get up early but it must be hard to sleep when it's still sunny out, in springtime.

We see Kate in the kitchen when she is on TV, but do we ever see her doing housework? On the show, Jon did the vacuuming and other housework.

TLC stinks said...

http://thestir.cafemom.com/blogger/120/kate_gosselin?next=6

May 23, 2013

"Our chickens are something that I am asked about often. All 40 to 50 of them (they don't stand still long enough to count so I'm not quite sure exactly how many we have). A few years ago I thought it would be fun to get a few “pet” chickens"

$$$$$$$$$$$

The chickens and the fancy chicken coop were courtesy of TLC and most likely the producer's idea. The manufacturer of the chicken coop hawked the fact that it was on the show.

And "pet" chickens? Really, Kate? You mistreated Nala and Shoka so badly Jon had to remove them. And you banish Shoka to live in the yard mostly 24/7.

"Along the way (which you may have also seen on our show), we added more and more chickens. They were just so fun! And just like kids, when you're feeding 25, what's 25 more, right? At first the kids fought over who would take care of them; typical of kids with new “pets.” Very early on, Mady declared herself the “owner and caretaker” to all baby “chicks.” When they went from fluff to feathers, she'd hand them off to the boys, who readily and happily took on the role as the chicken farmers. They still care for the chickens to this day and take their job seriously and do a wonderful job caring for our flock, with my guidance and assistance, of course. "

Luke's Mom said...

TLC stinks said... 153
Excerpt from Kate's Wife Swap chore manual:
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Wow .... So what does Kate do? Dinner was already done before she picked up the kids from school and the kids do all the chores including cleaning up after eating dinner.

Oh yeah, I forgot, she tweets all evening!

LaLaLandNoMore said...

Had a quick thought about the "Gator." Of course it is for Kate to hurry down to the barn to check on the chickens! (Kids/boys) Double checking to make sure her chickens have feed/water. How convenient for HER. I need to pass that one on to my adult children. Always remember to buy gifts for your kids that will help you. Would you call that SELFISH? I sure would.

TLC stinks said...

LOL!

This is what Kate said to Kendra on Wife Swap:

"It was a very unique experience to sort of do nothing," Kate said when the two moms exchanged notes at the end of the episode. "Reading your manual made me believe that you just let everybody else do everything because you don't care."

Formerly Duped said...

Didn't you know Kate is an animal lover? She said so, on the special! *snark*

Jeremy said...

I agree the chicken nonsense is getting out of hand. What Pennsylvania authorities or press are going to care if 10 / 13 year olds take care of the family chickens. Ever think about the lives of the Amish families in Lancaster County? Would anyone like to call CPS because those children do hard work, and are not permitted any tv or modern conveniences? and there are two twitter (yes, I'll say it ) bullies who are merciless in attacking Kate re the chickens. Problem is they have tweeted a farm in Tennessee and one in California thinking they were the farm she works with to complain. It does make them look crazy and Kate look like a victim. Any farm has kids doing hard work, PW anyone? Has anyone called CPS on Pioneer Woman for all the farm labor her children do? They don't even go to school.
On another note, Steph Martin has returned to twitter, but is back to obsessing about Michael Javkson. Interesting that the twitter bots have been INSANE on Kate's timeline sines the first weekend of Steph's entering the picture . . .

Formerly Duped said...

TLC Stinks, do you have a link for Kate's CWS Household Manual?

TLC stinks said...

Formerly Duped, I was only able to find that excerpt on (smack me) Al Walentis' blog. Thank goodness because ABC.com no longer has Kate and Kendra's manuals available. I did not watch, and was unfamiliar with the show. Had I known, I sure would have thought to see the manual when it was posted. What I found was everything that Al had.

http://www.greaterreadingonline.com/al-walentis/2013/3/2/kate-gosselin-has-her-children-trained-like-little-marines

Luke's Mom said...

Jeremy said... 169
I agree the chicken nonsense is getting out of hand. .......

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I haven't looked at twitter but agree that it is going too far if there are crazy tweets to farms, etc..

BUT if that chore chart does show a column for chickens for Forrest, than Kate has proven again that she is a Lying Liar who Lies! And that would also mean that she is LYING about making the boys WORK a JOB, a REAL JOB for a non-family member's profitable BUSINESS. I, for one, would really like to know if that chore chart is true. Please did anyone else see it and can verify?

Formerly Duped said...

Thanks TLC.

I did watch CWS online I think. It was terrible. I thought it showed Kate up for being the unyielding drill sergeant she is, and also showed the kids in a bad light, but then when you saw what they go through on a daily basis, you do feel sympathy and understand partly why their behavior is so rude and violent. Kate however thought she could show Kendra and Hank a thing or two...she just can't take off her rose-colored glasses regarding herself and the way her kids are/the way she treats them. I think she did not take Kendra's suggestions to heart- I am no Kendra fan but she came off as sympathetic and kind to the kids and shocked at the G kids' lives.

Anonymous said...

Has anyone called CPS on Pioneer Woman for all the farm labor her children do? They don't even go to school.

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You're right, children in farm families do participate in the work on the farm, but TFW is not a farmer like PW. PW's kids are home schooled and are pretty good students from what I can gather - the oldest daughter is going to college next year. . They belong to a home school co-op group and their 'school year' revolves around the seasonal requirements on the farm.

sorry, I'm having trouble logging in. Sherri

Carole said...

Please, can others confirm this chore chart? I really hope someone recorded the episode and can get a screen shot.

Yes, the chicken checklist was very clearly featured on the show as was the inside chore chart posted in the house. I don't have a screenshot tho.

gabby2 said...

"Early on, Collin was named the “chicken farmer” and primarily does the chicken care. "

Now we know why poor Collin was not allowed to go visit his father. I wonder how Jon feels about this? Or a judge??

Luke's Mom said...

Carole said... 175
Please, can others confirm this chore chart? I really hope someone recorded the episode and can get a screen shot.

Yes, the chicken checklist was very clearly featured on the show as was the inside chore chart posted in the house. I don't have a screenshot tho.
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Thanks. Did you see the column for "Forrest's Chickens" ?

TLC stinks said...

One thing about Wife Swap... Why was Deanna there? Was she there to spy on the kids and report to Kate? That's my feeling. So many psych issues that I cannot believe Kate still has custody.

ITA the chicken tweeting has gone too far but it is legitimate to question the lying and just how much work those boys do. No problem with chores, but homework always took priority in my home.

Tucker's Mom said...

Lalalalala said... 98
Oh my gosh, I just have to laugh about Kate's food control. The weekends for us was a time of sleeping in when the kids were very young. I would hear my son get up around 7:00am who was 4-years-old at the time. He immediately went into his sister's bedroom who was 3. He'd wake her up, sit her at the breakfast table and pour a bowl of cereal for each of them.
*****
I love this story!
10 years old and just starting NOW to be pouring juice is a little sad ;(

Layla said...

Luke's Mom said... 172
Jeremy said... 169
I agree the chicken nonsense is getting out of hand. .......

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I haven't looked at twitter but agree that it is going too far if there are crazy tweets to farms, etc..

BUT if that chore chart does show a column for chickens for Forrest, than Kate has proven again that she is a Lying Liar who Lies! And that would also mean that she is LYING about making the boys WORK a JOB, a REAL JOB for a non-family member's profitable BUSINESS. I, for one, would really like to know if that chore chart is true. Please did anyone else see it and can verify?

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I completely agree with everything you said. First, harassing the farmer is just wrong. He may not evenknow that kids are tending his chickens. This is all on TFW. And I agree that this is a job. There's a reason why children can'twork in factories, etc. The situation with Pioneer Woman if different. Her children are learning to run a ranch that will someday be theirs. Her ranch has been passed down in her husband's family for generations, and it will go to her children someday. Does anyone think TFW is going to move out and leave the G house to the kids when they are grown? Not a chance! That is HER house, no matter how often she claims it belongs to the kids. They are working to benefit her,not to benefit their futures. The way she spends, however, it's doubtful that she will still have it by the time the kids are grown.
Good catch to the poster above who saw that the label on the milk was from Forrest's farm. Kate went after Dana Hoffman for "taking milk out of her babies' mouths". Now she has the kids working to earn that milk in the first place.

Luke's Mom said...

TLC stinks said... 178
One thing about Wife Swap... Why was Deanna there? Was she there to spy on the kids and report to Kate? That's my feeling. So many psych issues that I cannot believe Kate still has custody.

ITA the chicken tweeting has gone too far but it is legitimate to question the lying and just how much work those boys do. No problem with chores, but homework always took priority in my home.
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I agree. And I really would like to know if there was a column called "Forrest's Chickens".

If those boys are working for Forrest, do they keep the earnings? Or has Kate set it up as a barter with Forrest so that there is no cash exchanged so that the boys earn ZERO money. Does she tell them that Forrest does not PAY for their work? Does she tell them that they MUST work in order for Forrest to plow their fields and give them food from his farm? Is this just another way for her to make sure the kids work and put food on the table so Kate does NOT have to work?

I really would like to know because if it is true than it is beyond shameful - it is just another form of exploitation. In my house, I WORK a JOB to support my kids. And if any one of my kids works at a job while they are still under my care (babysitting, mother's helper, CIT, lifeguard, etc...), THEY keep what they earn to pay for their personal expenses/entertainment (beyond the usual) or to save for college, etc... They are NOT expected to have to pay for the household expenses. That is MY JOB as their parent!

Formerly Duped said...

Kate said Deanna was there to the kids " to make sure you're safe!" I thought that was rude- she could have said 'to show Kendra -or the new mom for the week- how we do things" etc. I guess it was because there was no other parent present.. I know on the only other CWS I saw, Bristol Palin's sister was at the house with Melissa Rivers, and Joan Rivers was there for Bristol. (Man, Bristol's kid was really a brat as he had NO guidelines such as any bedtime- a rock and a hard place with her and Kate re: routines for kids)

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Has TFW tweeted lately? The last thing I remember was her touting
her love of coupons, and the picture of her child holding a coupon
holder.

She's about due for a getaway, isn't she? I suspect that's the kind
of thing she's worried about Jon discovering - info about her
comings and goings.

TLC stinks said...

Perhaps Forrest has been under the impression that Kate is overseeing the care his chickens as in actively participating? I am sure the boys are doing the best they can for their age, but really? From everything we now know, the chicken tending falls to Collin, his brothers and the nanny. Does anyone here think Kate goes near those chickens very often? We are talking "50" chickens. I would be overwhelmed. And what really gets me is why is this a boy's job? An animal lover, male or female, is an animal lover. I would think the self- proclaimed chicken pet lover would be out everyday with her chicken helper (s). Obviously she's not.

TLC stinks said...

So I guess Steve accompanied Kate to LA to keep her safe, LOL? Yep, Kate had to have her makeup artist friend there instead of a family member because there are no family members left in Kate's world. No sister, SIL, grandparent. How sad. Must be CWS policy to have a relative present. I guess Uncle Steve could not be spared to keep the children safe.

Tweet-le Dee Tweet-le DUMB said...

TLC stinks said... 184

Perhaps Forrest has been under the impression that Kate is overseeing the care his chickens as in actively participating?

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Perhaps he has no idea. It would be interesting to know, I suppose, however, having a bunch of people who don't know him tweeting him in an accusatory way is not at all productive. JMO

rainbowsandunicorns said...

Now we know why poor Collin was not allowed to go visit his father. I wonder how Jon feels about this? Or a judge??

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We don't know this. It's all speculation. If Collin is the chicken farmer, it doesn't mean that IF he doesn't visit his father that this is the reason. It very well could be, but it's not confirmed and shouldn't be asserted as such. If he doesn't see his dad, there could be another reason. If he wanted to see his father, surely there would be someone who would take over Collin's "job" for the weekend.

sparkle said...

Luke's Mom said... 181

I agree. And I really would like to know if there was a column called "Forrest's Chickens".

If those boys are working for Forrest, do they keep the earnings? Or has Kate set it up as a barter with Forrest so that there is no cash exchanged so that the boys earn ZERO money. Does she tell them that Forrest does not PAY for their work? Does she tell them that they MUST work in order for Forrest to plow their fields and give them food from his farm? Is this just another way for her to make sure the kids work and put food on the table so Kate does NOT have to work?

I really would like to know because if it is true than it is beyond shameful - it is just another form of exploitation. In my house, I WORK a JOB to support my kids. And if any one of my kids works at a job while they are still under my care (babysitting, mother's helper, CIT, lifeguard, etc...), THEY keep what they earn to pay for their personal expenses/entertainment (beyond the usual) or to save for college, etc... They are NOT expected to have to pay for the household expenses. That is MY JOB as their parent!
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Luke's mom, you summed up exactly how I feel about this matter. I don't agree with attacking farmers on twitter either. I don't agree with any behavior that puts us on the same level as the rabid sheeple. We should be above that.

It is concerning though that Kate may have worked out a deal with Forrest to board and tend to his chickens in exchange for his mowing, plowing and use of her land, while she lifts nary a finger to facilitate this arrangement. It just smacks (yet again) to me that Kate is obsessed with making these kids work and benefit her in exchange for the basic care and upbringing parents are supposed to provide their children for the first 18 years. For several years, she claimed the show was all for the kids and their futures. Until the Pa DOL found out different. Pa had to pass a law to force Kate to put money away for her kids and regulate their working hours.

At the end of the day though, there's probably nothing legally wrong with what Kate is doing with the boys and the chickens. Morally, it's just disgusting and reprehensible these boys have to work so hard so momster can get her lawns mowed for free. They didn't ask to be born, let alone be born in a six pack. They didn't choose to buy a 23 acre property. They didn't ask for any of these circumstances. But they've been paying for them since they were 2 years old.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

What was so ridiculous about that whole Wife Swap venture
was, TFW is no one's wife! If there was a show called Mom
Swap, sure. Or Single Suffering I-Do-It-All-Alone Mom Swap.
Or Ungrateful-Shrew-Trying-To-Get-Her-Mug-On-TV-24-7 Swap...

Luke's Mom said...

TLC stinks said... 184
Perhaps Forrest has been under the impression that Kate is overseeing the care his chickens as in actively participating? I am sure the boys are doing the best they can for their age, but really? From everything we now know, the chicken tending falls to Collin, his brothers and the nanny. Does anyone here think Kate goes near those chickens very often? We are talking "50" chickens. I would be overwhelmed. And what really gets me is why is this a boy's job? An animal lover, male or female, is an animal lover. I would think the self- proclaimed chicken pet lover would be out everyday with her chicken helper (s). Obviously she's not.
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And is that the reason why the chore charts are tied to their chairs at the kitchen table? So they will NOT forget to care for "Forrest's Chickens" in exchange for putting food on the table?

Kate: You did not do your chores yet. Go take care of Forrest's chickens .... clap clap snap snap. (goes back to twitter telling her fans that Aedan just told her that she is the bestest cook in the world)

Boys: But I am hungry

Kate: So what! Where do you think the food comes from! No work no food. Now get down to the chickens clap clap snap snap (goes back to twitter telling her fans that Colin said she is so pretty this morning)

Boys: We are hungry and tired. Can we take the gater?

Kate: What! How dare you ask! You haven't done your chores. And the gator is MINE all MINE! And no food for you until you do your chores! clap clap snap snap (goes back to twitter telling her fans that Joel just told her that she is the bestest mommy in the world)

Two hours later...

Boys: All done now can we eat.

Kate: Get out of my kitchen you dirty icky boys. Gross ,go wash you smell now. And the kitchen is closed. You took too long. (Goes back to twitter to tell her fans what a great day to lounge by her pool)

rainbowsandunicorns said...

How is this situation different than the swarm of negative tweets & nasty emails, visited upon the company from whom TFW grifted swimwear?

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It's different because in a tweet, this farmer, Forrest, was called a fraud. That's libel. The chicken "situation" has not been proven, confirmed, or anything else. Kate grifting toilet paper, make-up, and whatever she could get her hands on, only showed that she has no shame when asking for freebies. Chickengate has carried the haters hate to a whole new level. Facts are not known this time; whereas in the past, where Kate would put out, hint-hint how much she loved a product, it was clear that she was asking for hand-outs.

If the chicken farmer is being called out as being a fraud, and state agencies and newspapers are being contacted to "investigate," that, in my opinion, is a whole different ball of wax.

TLC stinks said...

gabby2, ITA but just my opinion why Collin has been not seeing Jon. Mady and Cara stay with her on Jon's weekends snd those two are not going to do chicken duty, neither is Kate, so who is left? I hope by now Jon has gotten to the bottom of why specifically Collin has been kept from seeing him. I have gotten the impression (I think from some tweet sightings) that Jon may be with all six now during his custody weekend time?

Circling the drain said...

If everything Jon allegedly "tells the tabloids" is a lie, then why would he have to snoop around her house? He could just make up the lies. What his and her actions tell me is that he's not lying, he's not snooping , and she is beyond scared if him telling the TRUTH.

FYI said...

Perhaps he has no idea. It would be interesting to know, I suppose, however, having a bunch of people who don't know him tweeting him in an accusatory way is not at all productive. JMO (186)
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Tweetle--I totally agree, especially since they weren't even tweeting to Forrest, they were tweeting people who had nothing to do with Forrest.

People can speculate all they want, but none of us know the whole story. The haters on twitter weren't speculating but just ran with something they assumed to be facts-yet they couldn't even fact check who they were actually tweeting to.

rainbowsandunicorns said...

If everything Jon allegedly "tells the tabloids" is a lie, then why would he have to snoop around her house? He could just make up the lies

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Not really. Remember that ROL VERIFIES everything, even from sheeple sources! LOL!

FYI said...

Formerly Duped said... 170
TLC Stinks, do you have a link for Kate's CWS Household Manual?
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Someone here posted previously posted a link to the archived version of the CWS manual.

https://web.archive.org/web/20130307221901/http://abc.go.com/shows/celebrity-wife-swap/kate-gosselin-manual

Under "Household Maintenance & Chores" she also references the chickens:

"We can't forget about the chicken barn. I must admit, cleaning the chicken barn is disgusting, but we do it together and try to make it fun".

"We"? Yeah, right.

rainbowsandunicorns said...

At the end of the day though, there's probably nothing legally wrong with what Kate is doing with the boys and the chickens. Morally, it's just disgusting and reprehensible these boys have to work so hard so momster can get her lawns mowed for free.

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But where has it been proven that Kate is working these kids to death over these chickens? I think that this thing has just snowballed into something that it may not be. Bottom line is that we just don't know.

Is Forrest the one mowing the hay? I thought it was Henry. What does Henry have to do with the chickens?

I am so confused...

PA Dutch Mom said...

"Speaking of family style eating with bowls, plates and platters of food. There is a restaurant in Atlanta that has been in business for years and they have big round wooden tables and serve the food in the old McCoy and stoneware bowls and strangers dine together."

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We have several of those places here.They've been around forever. Tourists love them.

Jen said...

Chicken gate is only being discussed here, the Twitter conversation about Forrest etc seems to have been last nights amusement.

Carole said...

Luke's Mom said...
Did you see the column for "Forrest's Chickens" ?

No, I didn't see Forrest's name on the chicken checklist. I saw the very detailed list with the check boxes when they filmed the boys in the barn and didn't see his name at all. I believe people are saying they saw his name on the list on the clipboard on the backs of their chairs. When I watched the show I couldn't make out anything on the chair backs.

JR said...

#193...Bingo .... your post was simple and to the point....common sense right? Unfortunately not everyone has that ability or doesn't want to see the nose on their face.

Let's throw tomatoes said...

Ooooooooo........conspiracy PJ. That some hard core tweeters are people who comment here! I have a conspiracy too. That some people here are really Kate! Not going to mention any names but Kate you know you are! LOL

As far as the boys someone does need to find out what is really going on behind close doors. If nothing else it sounds like those boys childhoods are being stolen. No wonder they don't do after school sports. They don't have time!

Also isn't the Amish/Gosselin comparison a little much? In an Amish home the parents do the bulk of the hard work. In the Gosselin home the kids do all the hard work. Kate just sits and gives orders and assigns spies.

Wonder where my comments from last night disappeared to. To bad they made sense . Just responding to Sherry Baby.

Carole said...

Is Forrest the one mowing the hay? I thought it was Henry. What does Henry have to do with the chickens?

Forrest's farm is within walking distance of TFW's and Henry's property is not. I'm 'guessing' that it's Forrest who mows TFW's fields and gets the hay in exchange simply because of the logistics of moving his equipment and the hay bales, etc., but again - it's speculation on my part.

PJ's momma said...

I paused on the fridge chore charts and I paused on the chicken chore charts, and nowhere did I see "Forrest's chickens" anywhere. This is all too much. It is ALL speculation and it has snowballed.

Formerly Duped said...

Kate is a Twit:

Thanks. I read the manual and had a few laughs. It's all bull sh*t, isn't it.
'And my kids will welcome you with open arms' That's the opposite of what Kendra found. Flat ironing of hair.When does Kate do that? Laughter and love abound- nope. They just love the chores and routine.The tup setting the table was very sulky and threw the cutlery and napkins around Don't go up to the twins' room- remember when Kate did- threw all their stuff down the stairs- maybe if she did go up, and communicate with her girls, she would be able to to prevent such a mess.Even then it's seems the twins really ruled the roost (sorry, chicken ref!) and Kate tiptoes around them pretending she's boss.

Interesting to read though.

Anonymous said...

Let's throw tomatoes said... 2
Ooooooooo........conspiracy PJ.

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Just "throwing" that out there. LOL Questions posed on this blog and within minutes? tweets are being, well, tweeted. I'm not accusing anyone, but who knows, right? It just seems to me that there's a lot of speculating and this blog is as public as twitter. Should people be trying to contact Forrest? IMO (and I can't stress that enough) the answer is no. OTOH, some feel duty bound to inform authorities. For what, I'm not sure. This is really a mess. There are some bloggers here that call people out for their speculation, and I appreciate that.


PJ

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

They don't even go to school.

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They are in school. They are homeschooled in an accredited program and also go to various homeschooling educational events with their local homeschool group. Every state has homeschooling laws that you must follow very strictly. They are not lacking in a god education. Homeschool is very different than it was only a decade ago. It's much more collaborative and hardly something to be concerned about for most children. I imagine being famous kids with a well known mother it's actually a much more stable and comfortable learning environment for them than regular school.

Teacher Respect said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 7
They don't even go to school.

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They are in school. They are homeschooled in an accredited program and also go to various homeschooling educational events with their local homeschool group. Every state has homeschooling laws that you must follow very strictly. They are not lacking in a god education
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I'm sure they're not lacking in a "god" education but you have no idea if they are getting a "good" education.

Teaching is a professional skill. It is insulting to educators everywhere to assume that anyone can pick up a curriculum off a shelf and provide their children with a "good" education.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Teaching is a professional skill. It is insulting to educators everywhere to assume that anyone can pick up a curriculum off a shelf and provide their children with a "good" education.


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Well, nobody said that. I don't think saying a homeschooled child can get a good education insults teachers. I don't know why it would. Educating two or three children in your home is very different than the skills required to educate an entire classroom. No reason to be defensive.

Millicent said...

One of the many things about TFW's way of "raising" children that makes me grit my teeth in frustration, is how chores appear to be unfairly divided, and never rotated, so that each child has to take a turn at each chore. TFW has such rigid ideas on what is "boys'/mens" work and what is suitable for girls/women.

Growing up, I had 2 brothers and 5 sisters. Even if my dad was inclined to differentiate chores based on gender, he couldn't. But he always thought that people should be treated fairly and equally, so our chores were rotated. When the chicken coop needed to be mucked out - he pulled a crew of kids together to do the job. When he cut wood on the hillside and needed it humped down to the house, we all had to pitch in. Whatever job there was to be done, we all were expected to help. Sure we grumbled to each other, but we never felt like all the work got heaped on one of us, or just on us girls, or just on the boys.

I do believe however, that the silver lining is that those boys will probably be fairly self sufficient as adults. They've been made to do a lot of the work around that house. They've also learned other coping skills and survival skills. Hopefully they'll seek counseling or therapy once grown, just to help them sort through the many issues of being raised by a narcissist.

It's the girls that I'm unsure about. If they've always been able to tattle on their brothers and each other, been given preferential treatment, and otherwise taught that boys/men don't deserve respect - they are going to have a fairly rocky road as adults. Most guys don't respond well to being treated like crap. Most co-workers will not appreciate another co-worker tattling on them to the boss. Self-entitled adults are a pain in the behind. I hope those girls too will get counseling and find their way in the world, and thrive.

Mel said...

I think the rule should be that you can't call the boss role until you've done the other two roles once each. Or maybe two times each. And then you will have *earned* boss role. Not just called it.

Doesn't seem right that you get to be the boss without ever having done the chores yourself.

Another example of playing favoritism. Girls get the better/easier chores, the icky boys get to clean the chicken coop.

Millicent said...

Re Homeschooling - when I started college, it was with the idea that I would obtain a teaching degree. I have two siblings that are teachers and it seemed like a good career path. Then as I got into the teaching courses, I realized that I did not have the temperament for teaching.

Teaching is a difficult and demanding job, but for those with the calling, it can be very satisfying. My oldest sister just retired after teaching for over 35 years. There can be great benefits to both home-schooling and actual classroom schooling. I don't think that homeschoolers should have access to taxpayer funds meant for the public schools though.

NJGal51 said...

Admin I hope that you're enjoying your vacation and I don't want to interrupt your good time, but could we maybe (please) get a new thread soon? Maybe an open discussion? I generally read on my iPad and I'm getting tired of scrolling to the bottom every time I log back on. We're oner 1400 comment son this thread.

On another note, it seems the haters have dropped the whole Forrest discussion and are regrouping. TFW's timeline is pretty quiet today.

I do believe that someone legitimately saw Forrest's name on one of the chore charts otherwise how would they know to bring it up and it's too much of a coincidence that he's her neighbor.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Assuming that a home school education is a good education is insulting to teachers.

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I think that is just ridiculous.

Kirkland said...

PJ's momma said... 4
I paused on the fridge chore charts and I paused on the chicken chore charts, and nowhere did I see "Forrest's chickens" anywhere. This is all too much. It is ALL speculation and it has snowballed.

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PJ's momma, the words "Forrests Chickens" can be seen in Episode 1 of Kate's recent 2-part special. The shows are still On Demand and I just watched it again. When they show the boys doing the chores in the barn, there's a scene where they complete a checklist while still in the barn. The top portion of the checklist is titled "Our Chickens" and has a list of about 15 items. The bottom portion of the checklist is titled "Forrests Chickens" and has 3 items. The 3 items are hard to see, but I can read "Water Filled Yes/No", "??? leaking on ground Yes/No" and "??? frozen Yes/No". I assume the items I can't read (???) are probably referring to "water", because the first three items on the "Our Chickens" list match and the missing word is definitely "Water".

What's interesting is that the list of items on the "Our Chickens" list also has items referring to food (Food-Half Filled Yes/No and Food Spilled). Maybe the boys don't have to actually feed Forrest's chickens, just check to make sure they are watered.

For the record, there is plenty of room at the bottom of the page to add more items to Forrest Chickens list. So there should be no speculation that the rest of the list is on the back of the page.

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

Drive by wanting to show that not everyone needs to go to the public school said... 10
This may be why some teachers are becoming defensive. Their future is at stake.

http://www.nheri.org/research/research-facts-on-homeschooling.html
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My numbers are approximate.

According to the US censes there are approx. 69,000.000 children in the US under the age of 18.

The article you linked says 2.2 million are being home schooled. I think teachers are fairly safe in their professions. The sky isn't falling yet.

prairiemary said...

I just wanted to tell you that I have a twitter account, and I do tweet, and I do not like tfw, not as strongly as some other tweeters, but I do not like to be made to feel that just because I tweet, that makes me a bad person. I am not a bad person at all. And I do not consider myself to be a crazed hater.

Formerly Duped said...

Kirkland said... 17
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I didn't notice all that! Thanks. I did notice the chickens have a wire mesh- enclosed 'run' Someone was wondering if they roam outside. I think the run is where they get exercise or whatever chickens do!

FlimsyFlamsy said...

"We can't forget about the chicken barn. I must admit, cleaning the chicken barn is disgusting, but we do it together and try to make it fun".

So by her own admission, cleaning the barn is disgusting, but it's
on the boys' chore chart. She said the boys clean the bathrooms, because she claims it's mostly their mess anyway (which may
or may not be true). But that logic doesn't carry to the barn,
does it? Did the boys make that mess in the barn? They're
certainly not pooping on the ground - why the heck are they the
ones primarily in charge of cleaning it up?

I wonder who gets the cushy job of cleaning up the basement
and family room every day, when according to the schedule
there are approximately zero hours of play time during the week.

Carole said...

It is insulting to educators everywhere to assume that anyone can pick up a curriculum off a shelf and provide their children with a "good" education.

I think it's just as insulting to assume those educating their children at home can't and/or aren't providing their children with a comprehensive and 'good' education.

Carole said...

This is a screenshot and tweet from yesterday of instructions to feed 'Forrest's chickens'. I must be blind because I can't see his name anywhere.

https://twitter.com/Cowsbytheriver/status/487772898191355905/photo/1


Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


I think it's just as insulting to assume those educating their children at home can't and/or aren't providing their children with a comprehensive and 'good' education.



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Agree. I'm not sure why anyone should be up in arms about someone's homeschooling education without knowing more. There has never been any indication the Drumand children aren't doing excellent in their studies, very involved in their educational community often learning in group settings and events, they all seem very bright and articulate and there is no indication they aren't in full compliance with all educational requirements and on track to be fully prepared for university should they desire that.

FYI said...

Math Girl said... 15
An interesting article on detecting lying:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/deception-detection-how-to-tell-if-someone-is-lying-1.2689662
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I found the graphic in the article quite interesting, especially the part about recognizing lying by how a person speaks. These are a few of the points:

•A liar takes a longer pause before starting a sentence if they are unprepared.

•More likely to repeat words, phrases, details

•Uses the word “I” more often when answering questions.

•May give inconsistent details

•May tell stories that seem scripted

•Tends to say “um” and “ah” more than usual.

Doesn't that sound like someone we know?

njay said...

Perhaps he has no idea. It would be interesting to know, I suppose, however, having a bunch of people who don't know him tweeting him in an accusatory way is not at all productive. JMO
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If Forrest is amish I highly doubt he even has a computer, let alone a twitter account.

I am extremely disgusted with all this "chicken gate" stuff. I have said before here that I think ANYONE who has to speculate, accuse without proof, EMBELLISH, lie and any other method out there, to try to destroy some one has a greater evil agenda then the one they are trying to destroy.

If someone like Kate and her minion are perpetrating evil deeds, THERE IS NO REASON anyone should have to embellish or make up things to have material against an individual or group. THEIR own deeds are sufficient enough to prove their evil.

Kate's deeds are evil indeed but she doesn't intentionally go after information to destroy those who are NOT part of her inner circle which is made up of those who can have a direct affect in destroying her agenda. In fact, what she does is drop them. As long as they don't "show up" in any way, they are out of sight out of mind. Even the BV thing was not her doing. Her minion initiated all that.

Don't get me wrong. I still think she is the spawn of satan but if I had to choose who I thought was the least evil, BECAUSE OF THEIR DEEDS, I would choose Kate any day over her minion and the haters.

If I think she is the spawn of satan, that should tell you what I think of her minions and the haters.

Bottom line? BACK OFF HATERS. YOUR EVIL DEEDS ARE LOOKING WORSE THAN HERS. She, not her minions, is not looking for or grasping at anything she can to destroy YOU. Do what is reasonable, not overkill. Should this guy Forrest actually find out what you are doing, he would be correct to say, "and this is why were amish".

Wow, it's exhausting to rant. You haven't REALLY experienced exhaustion until you've ranted defending Kate. I'm not a drinker but I sure could use a huge mug of rumspringa.

AuntieAnn said...

Teacher Respect said... 8

I'm sure they're not lacking in a "god" education but you have no idea if they are getting a "good" education.

Teaching is a professional skill. It is insulting to educators everywhere to assume that anyone can pick up a curriculum off a shelf and provide their children with a "good" education.

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If you want a real eye-opener about public schooling, I challenge you to read John Taylor Gatto's book "The Underground History of American Education". It's online. The man has done his research.


http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/underground/

Sue_Buddy said...

prairiemary said... 19
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I tweet too, occasionally. I didn't see anyone here calling anti-Kate tweeters "bad" people. My understanding of the comments about Forrest (and out-of-state farms) is, those bringing him into the discussion was out of line because there is NO proof of him breaking child labor laws, etc. That is a harsh accusation that should be thoroughly investigated before making such claims.

The Empress is a Clown said...

rainbowsandunicorns said... 191
How is this situation different than the swarm of negative tweets & nasty emails, visited upon the company from whom TFW grifted swimwear?

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It's different because in a tweet, this farmer, Forrest, was called a fraud.




Wow. Just...wow.

To be clear, I'm not in any way supporting the idea of ANYONE contacting TFW's business partners, assumed or proven. Others can and will disagree, but I'm aligned with those who think it's none of our business, unless it's a clear and present danger to the G8.

And wow, I had no idea they took it that far! To my mind, that's totally wrong, wrong, wrong. Morally, ethically, and legally reprehensible.

Formerly Duped said...

In that manual Kate claimed the boys' bedroom was the neatest room in the house. So how/why would they mess up all 5 or 6 bathrooms? She said all 5 bedrooms have an attached bathroom, and I know there is one downstairs and I think one in the basement- how could they use and mess up all those when they are at school or in the barn all day!

PJ's momma said...

Kirkland (I think we are somewhat neighbors), I only looked at the top portion of the checklist because the TLC logo and timeline were on the bottom and I couldn't see. My apologies.

Math Girl said...

prairiemary said... 19
I just wanted to tell you that I have a twitter account, and I do tweet, and I do not like tfw, not as strongly as some other tweeters, but I do not like to be made to feel that just because I tweet, that makes me a bad person. I am not a bad person at all. And I do not consider myself to be a crazed hater.
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Would you be willing to share your twitter name here?

I know that GoKingDaddy (GKD) and lukebandit post here and are also on twitter because of their IDs, but don't know anyone else. Oh wait, concerned chick. Are there others?

OrangeCrusher1 said...

Teaching is a professional skill. It is insulting to educators everywhere to assume that anyone can pick up a curriculum off a shelf and provide their children with a "good" education.
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There are many facets to the teaching profession. My daughter, a credentialed teacher, works for a charter school system. This year she will be working in a program where she will be supervising both homeschooled elementary age students and their teacher parents. This is new for her, so I don't have exact details, but yes, homeschooling and charters have definitely evolved in the decades since my children were in school.

Hope we have moved off chickens.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

This year she will be working in a program where she will be supervising both homeschooled elementary age students and their teacher parents. This is new for her, so I don't have exact details, but yes, homeschooling and charters have definitely evolved in the decades since my children were in school.


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Exactly. It's not just a buy a few workbooks and call it a day thing anymore.

These programs are much more formal and organized, with as you said many of them being supervised by educators. From what PW has said of her children's program is sounds very formal, organized, and supervised. They frequently seem to be at organized events with other "homeschoolers." In fact the rumor is she rarely does much of the teaching herself.

I know a family with two very bright kids who homeschool and it's funny because they "take the kids to school" even though it's "homeschool". They gather with a bunch of other kids and learn together I guess. It's really not homeschool but it's not a public or private school either. I think generalizing it as only for white religious middle class mothers is just that, a generalization. And it's insulting to imply that all it is is some dumb parent with a workbook.

Anonymous said...

I assume the defective detective didn't buy "the" cookbook. In looking at K's timeline I noticed a tweet from her where she mentions the famous homemade egg custard with fresh raspberried and asks, "Recipe in your cookbook?"


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