Sunday, April 7, 2013

'The People vs. Larry Flynt': Was Falwell bullied and deserved damages for emotional distress, or was it just free speech about a public figure?

'Free speech,' said the Supreme Court in 1988.

What if you said a very famous celebrity likes to sleep with goats? What if you said that celebrity loves hard liquor and is always intoxicated in public? What if you said his first sexual experience was with his own mother?



In 1983, Larry Flynt said all that and more about Jerry Falwell in his magazine Hustler. Falwell sued him for 50 million dollars. What followed was one of the greatest victories for free speech, specifically parodies and criticism involving public figures, ever to come down from the Supreme Court. The decision was unanimous. Said the court, in part:
"Justice Frankfurter put it succinctly in Baumgartner v. United States, 322 U. S. 665, 673-674 (1944), when he said that "[o]ne of the prerogatives of American citizenship is the right to criticize public men and measures." Such criticism, inevitably, will not always be reasoned or moderate; public figures as well as public officials will be subject to "vehement, caustic, and sometimes unpleasantly sharp attacks," New York Times, supra, at 270. " . . .

. . .In the world of debate about public affairs, many things done with motives that are less than admirable are protected by the First Amendment. In Garrison v. Louisiana, 379 U. S. 64 (1964), we held that even when a speaker or writer is motivated by hatred or ill will his expression was protected by the First Amendment: Thus while such a bad motive may be deemed controlling for purposes of tort liability in other areas of the law, we think the First Amendment prohibits such a result in the area of public debate about public figures.
"Debate on public issues will not be uninhibited if the speaker must run the risk that it will be proved in court that he spoke out of hatred; even if he did speak out of hatred, utterances honestly believed contribute to the free interchange of ideas and the ascertainment of truth." Id., at 73."

Falwell and Flynt later became good friends, visiting each other frequently, going on speaking engagements together, and exchanging Christmas cards. In 1998, Flynt apologized for the ad. Falwell leaped to his feet and shook Flynt's hand.

This Oscar-nominated film from 1996 details Falwell's early life through the famous court case and his near assassination. It can be viewed for free and legally from Crackle.com on Youtube.

1760 sediments (sic) from readers:

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Jon&Kate+8 said...

Millicent said... 43

So why the refusal to move on? Why won't some people let go of Jon's past mistakes? Not one single one of us is perfect. I guarantee that every poster here, including me, has made some pretty poor decisions that we wish we could do differently. However, there is no way to go back and change the past. There is only moving forward, and trying to do better. In Jon I see a man who has moved forward and done better, so who am I to say: "You can never, ever, ever, ever, ever be forgiven for that short period of time in your life when you acted the fool. NEVER!"

I cannot imagine what it would be like if I had friends or family who constantly brought up something I did five years ago, or ten years ago, and told me "you are still that person to me" no matter what I've accomplished in that intervening 5 to 10 years. If people want to be stuck in the past, there's nothing we can do, but I cannot take their opinion seriously. Jon's done a lot of growing up, but it sounds like some people here have not done the same. It's time to let go of the past and move on. Judge Jon by what he's done in the years since the divorce, not one period lasting approximately 6 months in time.
April 7, 2013 at 9:28 PM

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And yet that's exactly what you gals do here to Kate G every single hour of the day. You have no idea how Kate treats her kids now what goes on in their home. Try a little of your own advice.

chefsummer #Leh said...

Remona Blue said... 189
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 76
''The real question here is how are 80 people being duped so easily. This is never going to happen.''
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You're right. That shit ain't happening!!
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Not to be mean but you ladies have to remember that theses are KK fans were talking about soooo.

Unknown said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 98
''.....I agree. There was never a shred of evidence Jon ever once missed his custodial time.''
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I remember in Robert's book that he said Jon's plane was delayed, and even though he called KK and told her why he would be late picking up the children, when he got to the gate, KK wouldn't let him have them, because he didn't pick them up on time. Anyone else remember that?

NJGal51 said...

chefsummer said... 82
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 79
Ms Goody acts as if Jon scorned her and not Kate (in her mind).

I wonder what is her problem with Jon and why she hates him so much.
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Makes one wonder if Ms Goody is actually Hailey, Kate Major or someone like that.

Virginia Pen Mom said...

Holy cow, a few hours away and once again, stuff is breaking from the BV/Kate camp.

Put me in the camp that says the texts are fake. As others have commented, the wording too perfectly indicts Jon. It sounds like someone wrote it thinking, "How exactly can I make sure it sounds like Jon knew about it, planned it, took the hard drive, and was certain that damning items would be published? How can I get it all in in a few 'texts'?"

I agree also that I've never seen a text with a subject, but I'm no expert. These certainly raise more questions than they answer. And Kate with her "sun kissed" day is just one sick puppy. She's a sadist I've come to believe.

Midnight Madness said...

According to Radar, "Another text from the same day mentions, “Rob from the Dinner,” who McGibney says is Hoffman. It continues, “We are working on something together but I will only be a silent partner."

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What dinner might that be? The Korean one that Jon cooked? Gee, Radar, proofread!

"The text message is 100% real, McGibney says and proof of how Jon and Robert worked a for-profit scheme to damage Kate."

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I am so confused. For profit? Exactly who is profiting from this? Robert says proceeds go to charities. If anything, he is out a considerable amount of money he's had to pay to attorneys.

Anonymous said...

http://pulledontc.blogspot.com/2009/05/nov-5-2007-jon-gosselin-medicaid-nurse.html

Not sure this will work but here is a comment by Jon regarding the medicaid-nurse articles. Scroll down to comment #107640.

Sophie

A Pink Straight Jacket For Kate said...

Awwww....

So sad to hear that Annette Funicello has passed on.

Rest in peace, sweet lady.

Lynn said...

I cannot believe all this back and forth about the latest Katie Irene Kreider nonsense. And I do mean nonsense. Most of the people in this world do not care who she is, nor should they. There is a lot of more current events than a little bleached haired, spoiled, grifting, mother of 8 in central PA. She is yesterday's news. And will continue to be.

Tucker's Mom said...

I don't believe BV has any "proof" and I'm not sure Jon's supposed text messages are real. It's too "pat", too smoking gun. I don't take BV at their word.
This is the same person who claimed Admin had her lawyer contact them, which she denied and I believe her. So, that makes him a liar.
I also don't believe a lawsuit has been filed in record time and that 80 people signed up for it.
80 people might have claimed harassment from haters, but really? 80 people have the time and money for this absolute folly?

If, if any of this stuff about Jon's involvement is true, then I'll believe it when the proof is solid. I have no problem realizing I was wrong about him, if it turns out to be the case.
What matters is the truth, and the plain truth is that all this ugliness could and should be taken private, but Kate REFUSES to shut it down and eggs it on.
That makes her one shitty mother.

carezee said...

So is this latest fiasco with Bullyville and there damning evidence against Jon, the "work" that Kate has been doing lately? I am not buying into any of this latest crap that is coming out about Jon and Robert. Robert took a lie detector test back when this his book first came out. He said that Jon had nothing to do with this. Robert passed the test. This just reeks of desperation on Kate's part.

Sorry don't believe those texts are for real. I can't wait for all this to blow up in Kate's and her bully friend. I hope they both get there butts sued over this .

Tucker's Mom said...

ps... where's Deena been?
I'd distance myself as far as I could if I were Deena. Rolling around in shit like this could ruin your reputation.

fidosmommy said...

I'm asking this clumsily, but maybe you will understand where I'm going with this.

If they were still married while Computergate was going on, isn't that computer marital property? How can you steal something that legally belongs to both of you? It seems to me Jon could have set fire to it if he had a mind to, or Kate could have taken a sledgehammer to his without really doing anything illegal.

It's just a question, not a theory.

(I bet Kate wishes Jon had set it on fire and it never made it to the trash in recognizable disks!)

Say it isn't so said...

I feel sick after reading the supposed messages from Jon. I don't want to believe he is/was capable of this.
Until there's actual proof, I'm choosing to believe it's not true. Or trying to pretend I don't believe it.
Ex-Nurse, your post summed it up very well.
The first concern is that these kids have TWO awful parents. On a more petty note, I don't want the sheeple to be right about Jon.
What sad news :(

fidosmommy said...

Marie said... 160
.....The only problem is the hard drive was community property still back in 2009 so she can't say the hard drive was taken illegally and thus, again, can't get the book pulled.

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Well, Marie, if I had only read a little farther than I did, I would have seen you already addressed the community property question I just now addressed. It's good to know someone else thinks like I do. Sorry for
not seeing your comment before I wrote mine.

Tucker's Mom said...

LeeLee, thanks, good points.

Winsomeone said...

"Winsome, I'm a proud Wolverin, but I hate those uniforms. The only explanation I've heard is that it is all about television and marketing. They started calling for "maize outs" at the Big House, because all of that yellow shows up on tv so much better than a sea of blue. It then moved to basketball. The neon is the marketing angle. They aren't trying to sell to old farts like me. The younger set loves the bright neon, or gold shoes, or combat uniforms. The flashier the better. They sell like crazy. Me, I'll stick with the old Block M flag on my front porch. Hail to the Victors!"

I am partial to scarlet and gray myself. But at times like this, go for the Big Ten teams, no matter who they are.

fidosmommy said...

Here's my tongue-in-cheek theory about the disks and who Kate can blame next for their release if Jon doesn't work out for her. She has to blame somebody.

It's all Beth's fault! She gave them to Robert!

Then it will be Nala. "She hated me!"

Unknown said...

If Kate is the wonderful mom that she tries so hard to portray herself as being, then she would put a stop to this craziness. She would tell Bullyville and her "fans" to stop with their idiocy and she would get off Twitter, her stupid blog, and actually show her children and the world that she actually cares about her children and their futures.

No excuses Kate, a "good" mother would not be encouraging or doing the things you are doing.

Say it isn't so said...

I can't help but wonder if I'm the only one who feels taken in by Jon?
If (and it's yet to be proven) he did this I will feel he is no better than Kate.
We all bash Kate for her remarks and attitude towards her childrens father. But if Jon did this he is pure evil.
Defending him by saying it might be considered joint property is the lamest excuse at all. Wrong is wrong. Period. People defending Jon on this are as blind as the sheeple who defend Kate's every word.
Good Lord, I do not want this to be true.

Just Down The Road said...

Marie said... 160
.....The only problem is the hard drive was community property still back in 2009 so she can't say the hard drive was taken illegally and thus, again, can't get the book pulled.

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Well, Marie, if I had only read a little farther than I did, I would have seen you already addressed the community property question I just now addressed. It's good to know someone else thinks like I do. Sorry for
not seeing your comment before I wrote mine.


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PA is not a community property state.

Just Down The Road said...

Robert took a lie detector test back when this his book first came out. He said that Jon had nothing to do with this. Robert passed the test.

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Did Robert say what questions were asked on the test? Did they include questions as to where he obtained the info, or only if he altered the journals?

Just Down The Road said...

80 people might have claimed harassment from haters, but really? 80 people have the time and money for this absolute folly?

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In a class action suit, they won't be out any money. If a countersuit is filed and they have to lawyer up, that's when it's going to cost them big bucks.

Say it isn't so said...

I can't stop thinking about this.
Is it possible that Robert had the confident attitude ala "bring it on" because he'd forgotten or never knew about those texts from 2009?
Has either Jon or Robert made a comment about this latest news?

AuntieAnn said...

(Leslie) Anonymous said... 134

Those messages perfectly spell out the answer to the question whether Jon was involved. It is almost too perfect the way the messages so succinctly tell the story of the hard drive that everyone has been waiting for.I am not saying they are fake but is so creepy with all the exact details needed to answer any and all doubts about this situation.

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Wasn't this around the same time Jon and Hailey were splitting up? Maybe she had got her hands on his phone.You know, a woman scorned and all...

Just thinking out loud.

FYI said...

I haven't read through all the comments, and am just playing catch up on the Gosselin saga. I see Bullyville has release "text" messages, that they deem is "proof" that Jon and Robert colluded together on the book.

However, I do have a question for the sheeple. How come when Robert's book was originally released, they all claimed that Robert "changed" Kate's journals? Yet, when Bullyville releases "texts" attributed to Jon, they believe them as absolute truth? They believe that Kate's journals can be changed, but can't fathom that Bullyville may have altered texts sent by Jon?

It's the height of hypocrisy as far as I'm concerned. If it puts Kate in a bad light, then it was "altered", but if it puts Jon in a bad light, then it is the "truth".

I just wish for the sake of the children, that Kate would realize the damage she is causing them. She's making it all about her, and screw the children. She is blatantly showing where her priorities lie, and it's definitely not with concern about her children. But then, were the children ever a priority for Kate?

I pray for those children-and hope that somehow, they will survive their mother's pettiness and vindictiveness.

Marie said...

Just down the road . . . thank you. Didn't know that. :(

Marie

Unknown said...

Say it isn't so said... 15
''I can't help but wonder if I'm the only one who feels taken in by Jon? If (and it's yet to be proven) he did this I will feel he is no better than Kate.''
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I understand your feelings...really, I do. However (in MY opinion) I honestly do not care HOW the journals were obtained. I don't care if Jon managed the entire thing. IF Jon did set it all up, I don't believe that ROBERT was aware of it. (However, I don't believe Jon set it up, and I don't believe the ''texts'')

I've said before, and I'll say it again...to ME, the bottom line is that KK's violent abuse of her children and neglectful abuse of the animals was exposed, and IN HER OWN WORDS.

The rest of the ''pissing match'' is just that...

rainbowsandunicorns said...

Tomatoes said: I don't care who Jon was seeing! Or that it was or wasn't his custody time only that he left his kids with that abusive monster.Period!

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Did he have a choice? Custody was decided by the court. She did have parental rights. What was he supposed to do about that? He wasn't allowed in the house during her custodial time. Should he have hired a nanny guard to make sure Kate made no wrong moves?

Say it isn't so said...

The Class Action suit is the stupidist thing I've ever heard. I can't imagine that anytone is either a) worried about it or b) excited about it. BV didn't think that out very well.

Millicent said...

The first concern is that these kids have TWO awful parents.
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Why is Jon so awful? I'm speaking of the present day. Can you clarify why you think Jon is so awful - today - as a parent?

Millicent said...

Did they include questions as to where he obtained the info, or only if he altered the journals?
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Have no idea. But if he was taking a lie detector test about these journals, wouldn't it stand to reason that one of questions would be "how did you obtain these journals?"

Anonymous said...


I 100% agree that these are the few situations where adults get bullied. There must be some kind of weak vs. strong dynamic. I don't see how by any stretch of the imagination Kate is in a position of the strong preying on the weak. If anything, she is the strong. She has the public forum, lawyers, the media, power and control over her kids, power and control over her fans, the ability to call the police or involve the courts, and so on. It's just insulting for someone with that kind of power and control to actually compare herself to weak adults who are bullied.
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Kate really does love that 'damsel in distress' and the 'weak woman' persona. Very annoying. She is definitely the stronger one in the case of the Twit-astrophe.

Millicent said...

Say it isn't so - maybe you need to step away from the computer for awhile. Spend time with friends, or with family. Do something fun and entertaining, that does not include anything remotely related to Jon & Kate Plus 8, Kate Krieder, Jon Gosselin, or this manufactured drama.

I say this with kindness. It sounds as if you are really getting worked up, based solely on some texts released by McGibney - a known liar.

If this is true, that makes Jon "pure evil"? Seriously? It might make him a rather crappy person, but hardly "pure evil". I'm gonna reserve that for someone who starves and beats her dogs, and grabs babies by the hair and throws them in their cribs, etc.

Unknown said...

For what it's worth.....
I don't have a cell phone, but I 'text' with those that do, through my email. Those ''texts'' do have a subject line...and I put all my 'text' message on the subject line.

HOWEVER, that does NOT mean that the CONTENT of the 'revealed text' is valid. I agree with those that say they are too ''pat''. They also don't 'sound like' Jon. On the other hand, KK's journal comments do 'sound like' KK.

Anon for this said...

http://www.toledotalk.com/cgi-bin/tt.pl/article/147434/07Apr2013/Bgsu_racist_tweet

Very interesting comments especially #7 by Guestzero and also the last 2 comments. They are relevant to the conversation going on here.

Obviously I want to be anon for this as it is near my hometown.

Millicent said...

Dear Let's Throw Tomatoes:

I'm sorry my response to one of your posts upset you. I think it's good that you are going to take some time away from the computer so you can feel better. Sometimes when I'm deeply passionate about a subject (for me right now, it's the threatened cuts to Social Security that are really bothering me), I can get overworked and angry with people who don't agree with me. That's when I too step away from my keyboard, because it's simply not productive.

My son has a dad who chooses to only play a minimal role in his life. I know what it's like to have a child whose father takes vacations and never invites him along. I know what it's like to have a child whose father doesn't attend his football games, track practices, and at least 20% of the time cancels on his one Saturday per month with him. We just deal with it and I'm out there rooting him on twice as hard.

So there's no way I am giving Jon slack if I thought he was ever shirking his duties as a divorced father to those kids. What I see in Jon is a guy who is far from perfect, but at least he's trying. He wants to be an active part of his children's lives. Despite the abuse heaped on him in the public eye, he sticks it out, continues fighting to have more time with his kids. So to me, a guy who went a little wild for a few months, yet always turned up in time for his custody visits - that's a dad who was doing his best during one of the roughest patches in his life.

Again, I'm sorry if what I wrote upset you. I am definitely a Jon defender at times, most especially whenever anyone tries to say he is just as bad as Kate. That simply ain't so, IMO.

If Jon did it, he's a hero said...

If Jon gave Robert the discs, I say "good for him"! I used to work for a narcissist who was a local celebrity. It was very tough to listen to the public praise her when we knew what a monster she was. Two of my friends wrote anonymous letters to the papers and various other organizations to try to explain what was going on, but nothing ever happened. It was so frustrating. If Jon did do something to try to get the word out about how abusive she was, then good for him. The courts didn't work for him; CPS didn't work for him. He had to be frustrated. Kate is a monster and it's about time someone really blew the whistle on her.

Laurie said...

You know what? I just don't care any more. If these texts really existed you'd think they would have come out when the book first did and Laverne & Shirley were looking under every rock to have the book pulled. Robert needs to just slap Jon's name on the book and call it Jon & Kate Plus 8 The Real Story. The end.

Say it isn't so said...

Millicent, I do think Jon is awful if he did this. Frankly, I'm puzzled to see so many defending him.
I don't buy the excuse that he's changed. Any more than I believe Kate has changed. I'm thinking about what ex-nurse said, and I believe Jon's passive-aggressive behavior is far worse than I'd previously imagined.
I'm trying to undserstand why I'm so upset about this. I feel sick and sad.

Silimom said...

Here's some thoughts:

1) if BV guy is smart enough to be able to hack people' personal info, he's smart enough to change/alter/create text messages that support his statements/allegations. So it can go either way - Jon/Robert lied and altered the journals but so could McGibney have lied and altered text messages.

2) When Robert's book first came out, Joe/Jill Public already made the conclusion that Jon had given Robert the material. How is this going to change public perception of the situation? I think most people will say "And that's news how?" Again, the only ones who really care are people like us and Kate's fans. Her fans feel vindicated and his supporters feel disappointed.

3) I said yesterday and stand by it today - my opinion of Jon has not changed. I was already fairly certain he had a role in Robert getting the computer files. That happened 4 years ago (2009 right? Or was it 2010?) and it was a poor choice on his part, one of several he and Kate made. They both handled the divorce poorly. I believe people can change and hopefully Jon has. I don't know because he keeps his life private as it should be. I will say it looks like he has moved on. Kate still seems hell bent on...something. I think she has realized that really all she has to offer is her drama, that that is what people tune in for so that is what she's attempting to give them.

4) Yes, this will likely help Kate feel vindicated, that she is the great mom she tries to present and the public will all focus their hatred onto Jon and will discount everything written about her, both in print and online. Maybe it will. I'd like to say that her star is fading but she's bounced back again when I thought she was down and she might again. So far, I don't see any more specials popping up. Time will tell.

The reality is we will never truly know what Kate did/didn't do or is still doing to her kids. Based on her shows, I don't think she's a very good parent but that will be for her children and her children alone to judge. Same goes for Jon. In all of this tragic mess, they are the ones that matter the most and they lose every time mom or dad's BS gets plastered all over Radar.

Sad that their mom is more concerned about her reputation than how her actions or those of people who are "supporting" her affect her children. Sad that neither parent put their kids first when the divorce happened but rather focused solely on their own hurt, anger and needs.

chefsummer #Leh said...

Add me I don't care of Jon exposed Kate to Robert.

He exposed a mother who beat her tiny toddlers.
He exposed a woman who beat her pets. (who care how)

If it was Jon who wrote about beating his toddlers and pets.

And Kate was the one who suppolyed teamed up with Robert.

People would question why she teamed up with Robert or what her motive was.

Cause she would be seen as a great mom.(Just my pov)

Anonymous said...

Kate 2.0 had a baby with a man who "punched her in the vagina" and quit her job after knowing Jon for a few days. She's a nutjob (is that bullying?) and I believe this all comes from her. She even tweeted Kate that she'd be glad to testify. Bitter. Bitter. Bitch.

I don't care HOW the information was revealed. KATE BEAT the CRAP out of her TODDLERS for POTTY ACCIDENTS! That is what should be the main focus. She was portraying herself as supermom while she was SLAMMING BABIES into their cribs, where they stayed for hours and hours and were punished for trying to escape.

Cribs are supposed to be a place of comfort, not jails.

Dog crates are also supposed to be a place of comfort, not jails that you EAT your way out of.

Milo claims to love animals but she named her dog after a woman who mistreated a dog that growled at her so that dog was "sent away."

The "fans" only see "Kate Hate" and don't care one iota about those 8 kids. They are just tools for their entertainment and Kate's moneymakers.

I'm so disgusted.

Wowser said...

What I don't understand is Robert's (and for that matter, Jon's) silence during this twitter/media frenzy against them. Why hasn't Hoffman stepped up and spoken out or made a statement against this? If he wants his book to be believable, shouldn't he be refuting what McBully and Gestational-Money-Mommy-Maker are saying....the longer he waits, the more doubt people will have in him and the book. How in the Hell does this woman get away with this crap? She gives God the credit when it all goes her way, but I am beginning to wonder if she signed a pact with the Devil....Lordy what a mess!

Mary said...

There are 2 people who I think are only too happy to give info to BV.

One is Haley (perhaps Ms Goody?) She is definitely furious with Jon since their breakup and I think would love to see him taken down.

The other is Al Walentis. I don't think he likes Jon and seems to have an ax to grind with Robert. Even though he wrote his own book he seems to be very jealous of Roberts book.

Blowing In The Wind said...

Have no idea. But if he was taking a lie detector test about these journals, wouldn't it stand to reason that one of questions would be "how did you obtain these journals?"

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I thought polygraph examiners asked only asked yes and no questions. Has that changed?

Anonymous said...

I'd like to know how McGibney got those texts. Did the receiver send them to him? He cant go through phone records on his own- that is illegal. Maybe the phone bill was in Kate's name and she gave him permission to access the records. Did he obtain a warrant? And didnt Rob pass a poly about the book? I would think that how he got it (from the trash) would have been one of the questions.

Tucker's Mom said...

Even if Jon orchestrated Robert getting his hands on Kate's journals etc, I still don't find him pure evil. I have never seen one photo of any of the kids looking at Kate the way they look at Jon. Pure joy.
I have never seen a video of Jon picking up the kids without them gleefully running into his open arms. I have seen Kate telling them that they all should be glad she actually came to pick them up, or else they'd be standing there in the parking lot alone.
That's evil.
Look at this:
not one single smile anywhere.

http://www.infdaily.com/2011/09/exclusive-pics-kate-gosselin-yells-at-her-kids-after-school.html

I'd also like to mention that Kate, in all of her infinite lack of introspection, never questioned that she let one boy crawl under the van.

And this never happens when Kate is with the kids:
http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=jon+gosselin+school+bus+girl&oe=UTF-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=AEZjUb2nGbHe4APCtoHwCg&biw=1280&bih=576&sei=A0ZjUaH4N4Wz4APknYGACg#imgrc=5wPR5CT-L6k8sM%3A%3B8IM-Zw-6GUjZFM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fgossip.whyfame.com%252Ffiles%252F2010%252F05%252Fjon_gosselin_children.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fgossip.whyfame.com%252Fjon-gosselin-parties-with-the-children-for-their-birthday-4714%3B550%3B446

Ex Nurse said...

Out of curiosity, I did a google search from 10/13/09-10/17/09--the period around the latest tweets. Here is what was happening in Jon's World (warning--IT IS BAD)

1) After banning TLC from filming for the show, Jon made a deal with ET to film the kids

2) TLC announced lawsuit against him

3) Jon is ordered to pay back $180,000 to the joint account

4) Jon shops himself around to awards show, who want nothing to do with him

Links, please! to follow

gotyournumberKate said...

Wow! I just read Jons alleged texts. All I have to say if it is true is......can you blame him?

She hid money in overseas accounts, went on national tv crying he stole her last dime, and bashed him any chance she got. They were in an all out war at the time. She's a sneaky bitch and no matter who took the hard drive or who's behind it she's still a user and child abuser.

Anonymous said...

Count me as suspicious about the texts from Jon. They are full sentences, like you guys mentioned. Who texts like that? I use my phone for mostly texting and even when I get texts from my work, they are in short, simple sentences, and often abbreviated words. Suspicious.

Say it isn't so said...

Millicent, you're right. I do need to step away from this for a while. I guess my over the top reaction wasn't thought out.
I'm going to continue believing in Jon. I've yet to see proof that those messages are real and McRibs isn't someone I'd trust.

Paula said...

I have believed for quite some time that "Ex-Nurse" is Ms. Goody...just saying....

Terri said...

I think that 10 or 15 years from now we will be having the same discussions when 1 or more of Kate's kids write tell all books. What is Kate going to do then say that her own children are liars. If she had an ounce of intelligence she would stop this NOW and if she's lucky her kids won't think of her as badly as most of us here do, because the odds are pretty good that they will read all of this one day if they haven't already.

Blowing In The Wind said...

Ex-Nurse (50)

What does any of that have to do with how Robert got the discs or hard drives or whatever they were?

fidosmommy said...

PA is not a community property state.

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Does that mean if, while they were married, Jon's car wouldn't run one day and he took Kate's, that he would be breaking the law? Or what about loaning one of her CD's to a friend without her knowing about it?

I can understand she would get mad, but breaking the law sounds a bit much. While they were married?

Gee, I bet lots of married people who don't like their spouses very well would love to go around marking things Mine, Mine, Mine.....
Oh wait. Kate already said that! Never mind.

Anyway, thanks for the info. It just doesn't make much sense to me.

OrangeCrusher1 said...

But if Jon did this he is pure evil.

Seriously? I think, to say something like this, and also to be, as you say, sick and sad about this alleged misdoing, does indicate you may just be a little too personally involved in the lives of internet strangers. As someone said above, a time out with fresh air and real people might not be a bad idea.

Do any of you who think Jon is awful for maybe helping Robert not think Kate would have been faster and more public given a similar opportunity to discredit her ex? Oh wait, she has, in radio and tv interviews, in print interviews and constantly on Twitter.

Maybe if we all took a break, the Kate fire would just burn out.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

So this happened when TLC was suing the pants off him? It sounds like a desperate effort to get back at them for that, to prove he's not the bad guy Kate is. It's part of discovery, if you're going to drag me through the mud see what I have on the person you're trying to make a saint.

It's hard to get that worked up over a desperate person being sued for hundreds of thousands of dollars. No where does he say lets use this to make money. It was, let's use it to put the nail in the coffin (on the suit against him perhaps? is that the coffin?)

I think ultimately Kate's camp has done a great job of distracting from the real issue here.

I'm curious, if Sandusky's wife turned over his journals to someone to expose him is she evil? I guess I have such a hard time blasting anyone who exposes abuse even if I would have chosen a different method or their method isn't pretty or seems vindictive. Abuse is abuse. Sigh.

Surprise Surprise said...

Snickdog said... 113
IF Jon did indeed take Kate's hard drive and give it to Robert, then I am very disappointed in both of them, especially Robert Hoffman for lying in his book about where he got the information.

That said...I'm not 100% convinced these "texts" are real (though I'm open minded enough to believe there's a chance of them being real)

Is there always a Subject when sending a text? I've just never seen that--emails, yes. Texts, no. But I may be wrong obviously.

Some of the dialog sounds phoney..."I will put the nail in her coffin someday from it"....it just doesn't sound real to me. Also, why wait 3 years to put the nail in her coffin, after all she put him through between 2009 and 2012? If Jon had written a "tell all" during the peak of their popularity, he'd have made a fortune.

On October 15, 2009, there was a blurb on ROL that Stephanie Santoro said that Jon had "hacked" into Kate's email and phone. But in the texts, he's saying he's grabbing the hard drive. That's not hacking, is it? Or is it?

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No, it's theft. Does that make it better?

Unknown said...

Ex Nurse said... 48
''Out of curiosity, I did a google search from 10/13/09-10/17/09--the period around the latest tweets. Here is what was happening in Jon's World (warning--IT IS BAD)''
Ex Nurse said... 50
''The sooner the douchebag realizes that, the better! For everybody!''
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Your links don't PROVE anything other than a bunch of Media articles were out there....if you did a google search for the last few weeks, you'd pull up a whole bunch of ROL articles. Your warning that the google links were ''BAD'' are your opinion.

As for me, I make up my own mind about things and NEVER base my opinion on what some tabloids have to say.

Now I'm moving on from your comments.....carry on.

If Jon did it, he's a hero said...

Those articles about Jon don't change my mind one bit that Kate is a terrible parent and Jon is a decent parent.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Community property state just has to do with how you split up property. They would both own the computer if they bought it during the marriage (generally! some states let you designate something as separate but usually only millionaires bother with that lol). How they split it later is where the community property issue comes in (50-50 split vs "equitable"). It is not theft in marriage.

Anonymous said...

I can't find the comment but I laughed about my Pretzel M&M freezing methods.

It can only be done in a Whirlpool freezer and yes, you MUST separate the colors. Otherwise they touch each other and you might get some blue on a yellow and that just is NOT TOLERATED. We are not animals.

Actually, I toss the bag in the freezer ....

Blowing In The Wind said...

She hid money in overseas accounts, went on national tv crying he stole her last dime, and bashed him any chance she got.

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Boy, she sure did. The can't pay the bills interview was on Oct. 5. The alleged texts are dated Oct. 14 only a week later. I imagine he was really ticked off at that point.

Surprise Surprise said...

Tucker's Mom said... 176

I HATE draggin Robert or Jon into this publicly, but I think it may be time to speak up on their own behalves. They both are getting smeared in public for quite a long time and the allegations are ratcheting up day after day.

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Why? Robert has been playing this game publicly from the get-go. He taunted Kate on-line for months.

chefsummer #Leh said...

Maybe Jon did to it to get back at Kate.

Maybe he was tired of being ran over by her and TLC and their lawyers and the media.

Maybe he said to himself "I'm going to show the world the real Kate.

I say give all three of the a lie detector.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Well, now I'm really saying "meh". That very week Kate was poking him and poking him and spinning the entire thing to her benefit on her poor Kate tour so Jon finally had enough and said fine you want to play like that here ya go Robert. Thanks for the history lesson!

MEH. Don't poke people to that extent and that publically and get mad they retaliated. Call me when there's some emails from 2013. There's a word for this Kate reaps what she does.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Sows! :)

Anon for this said...

From the article I posted about (#35)
Either nobody is interested or it just got lost in all the talk about the alleged texts.
I found it very interesting that the comments regarding this article could fit perfectly on this thread.
This is the article I'm referring to:
http://www.americanownews.com/story/21895521/racist-tweets-from-bgsu-students-upset-campus

And this is one of the comments relevant to the discussion here:


Do adults have freedom of speech, or not? Seems like we like to give our lip service to FOS, but when put to the test, we really don't value it.

And before anyone dares to put forth the lie that BGSU can act on this, I'll point out that it's Bowling Green STATE University. It's part of the state government of Ohio. And what does Ohio's constitution say about adult speech?

http://www.legislature.state.oh.us/constitution.cfm?Part=1&Section=11

Every citizen may freely speak, write, and publish his sentiments on all subjects, being responsible for the abuse of the right[.]

No abuse has taken place. Being offended, isn't abuse.

posted by GuestZero on Apr 07, 2013 at 04:56:26 pm

Sorry, I tried to make the links clickable but gave up


RH Fan said...

Why is everyone believing this Bully guy?
Robert has stated he did not get any info from Jon and passed a lie detector test.

These allegations sully the reputations of RH and Jon. One might even call it bullying...

It's insulting to ExNurse to say she sounds like Goody. One has thoughtful opinions, the other goes on tirades.

swimgirl said...

Ex-nurse said:

I sincerely doubt that Bullyville went public with this without 100% authentication. They are extremely thorough and I don't think that they threaten until they have proof.
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Bullyville is betting that Jon does not have the money to sue them. It takes a lot of money to sue someone even if you are the wronged person. Most people simply can not afford all the costs associated with legal suits. Having been through the system and winning, I know first hand how expensive it is and how justice sometimes comes down to who has more money.

Ex Nurse said...

WOW--I see I should have provided some context for why I posted those articles. I was curious about what else was going on at that point in time. I actually feel sorry for the guy--there is nothing in his life that could have prepared him for that shit storm (which is what I meant by saying that it was BAD). No new information (except for the awards show) in there that I didn't know about.

I was in kind of a hurry, so maybe didn't explain myself. I'm not trying to prove anything to anyone--I was just doing a timeline of events. Thought others would be interested.

Will think twice about it from now on. I have no need for people to change their mind. But, these things happened, and it speaks to what his state of mind was at the time, which was, understandably vengeful.

However justified he felt at the time, he has had plenty of time to rethink this move and pull out. Maybe he tried, maybe he has a contractual agreement that he can't get out of even if he changed his mind. In any case, if he can, I think that it is time for him to step up and be the guy so many thought he was.

The way it looks right now, is that this was his Plan A all along. We will probably never know what really happened.

Tucker's Mom, I have agreed with everything you have said. You have show admirable restraint on the topic--I should take a lesson from you.

Ex Nurse said...

Ex-Nurse (50)

What does any of that have to do with how Robert got the discs or hard drives or whatever they were?
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I didn't say it did. What does pretzel M&Ms have to do with it? Since the texts were from 2009, I was looking to see what the context was at the time.

Penny--I don't have a Whirlpool freezer, but I do have a new Whirlpool washing machine and dryer. Will that work? Should I put them in with the whites?

NJGal51 said...

I say bring in the whole cast of characters...Steve, the crew, the not a nannies and anyone else that has worked for/with them and have everyone testify under oath. Confidentiality agreements be damned!

No matter who gave what to whom, Kate is still a has been and all of this won't get her another show and that is why she is so angry with Jon. The big draw was Jon & Kate Plus 8.....nobody really cared about Kate Plus 8 and now that the kids are older and are not the draw they used to be nobody cares about Kate. She knows this and she blames Jon for taking it away from her. That is why she will never forgive him and that is what she will do everything in her power to destroy him.

Virginia Pen Mom said...

miloandjack

@Kateplusmy8 The secret of staying young is 2live honestly, eat slowly, & LIE about your age! Lucille Ball.

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Well, Kate might be able to eat slowly. Living honestly will be hard for her, but lying, Milo, she's got nailed!

Ex Nurse said...

Remona--the quote you pulled out was from the article--not my words.

Unknown said...

If Jon did it, he's a hero said... 61
''Those articles about Jon don't change my mind one bit that Kate is a terrible parent and Jon is a decent parent.''
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AMEN
Blowing In The Wind said... 64
''....The can't pay the bills interview was on Oct. 5. The alleged texts are dated Oct. 14 only a week later. I imagine he was really ticked off at that point.''
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That's interesting! IF he did it, I say good for Jon!
Surprise Surprise said... 65
'' Robert has been playing this game publicly from the get-go. He taunted Kate on-line for months.''
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He sure did, and did it very well. Good for Robert. AND...it's not over yet. Robert still has 90% of what he procured....no matter HOW he got it. ANY law suit against him will open an entirely new can of worms.

GO ROBERT GO

Unknown said...
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chefsummer #Leh said...

KidsArePeopleToo ‏@Allisstair 2h
@msgoody2shoes21 @BullyVille @Kateplusmy8 Say good-bye, Goody. Your bullying of Jon, including demeaning his penis size, repeated often.
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Kind of sounds like Hailey.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

The thing that's amazing about this is in light of what was going on why Jon didn't just call a press conference right there and then and say you really want to go there?. Talk about restraint. This was a nasty divorce that much is clear. Although it could have been worse.

Tucker's Mom said...

Tucker's Mom, I have agreed with everything you have said. You have show admirable restraint on the topic--I should take a lesson from you.
*****
Thanks, and I appreciate you expressing your views. I think this is a relatively safe place to have dissenting opinions. All points of view count.

rainbowsandunicorns said...

Why is everyone believing this Bully guy?
Robert has stated he did not get any info from Jon and passed a lie detector test.

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Who do you mean by "everyone?" The sheeple? That's easy. They are sheeple.

Not everyone here believes bullyville. He's already been shown as not truthful when he said that admin's attorney contacted him. For me, that speaks volumes.

To whom was Jon allegedly texting, and why would he reveal something that incriminating in a text message? It makes no sense. If they were turned over to bullyville by someone, I hope that person is prepared to be outed because it will happen.

I'm afraid that this is only Act I of a four act play. Sheeple are enjoying it to no end, but I hope they don't walk out at intermission because Act IV may be the big reveal. Something big is going to go down. I think Robert and Jon are on silence because they are conferring with attorneys, getting their ducks lined up. I know it's expensive to bring a lawsuit, but if ever there was a time for Jon to do it, it is now. Maybe he's just waiting for bullyville to pull another stunt...just letting him go so he has more ammunition for his case.

SCgal said...

So - is Bullyville saying that Kate's journal is real (and therefore was abusive to toddlers), but the bad part is that the information about it may have come from her husband? Really?

Paula said...

It's insulting to ExNurse to say she sounds like Goody. One has thoughtful opinions, the other goes on tirades.

I'm sorry, I call it like I see it....so handily posting articles from years past about Jon's "misbehavior" certainly appears to be a "tirade" to me. Again..just my opinion.

localyocul said...

I'm sure the info came from Kate Major. Wasn't there an ROL story recently where she came to Kate's defense saying that Jon had tried to tell her Kate was a bad mom but she realizes now it wasn't true?

localyocul said...

Found it!

http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/03/jon-gosselin-ex-kate-major-will-testify-for-kate-says-jon-out-to-smear-her/

Jon Gosselin’s Ex Kate Major – ‘I’ll Testify For Kate – He Was Always Trying To Smear Her As A Mom!’

Lynne In RI said...

Jeannie ‏@SaidByJeannie
@Kateplusmy8 Are Furby's girl toys? Is that why I have no idea what it is?!

Aren't sheeple capable of doing internet searches? For some reason, they think they have to ask Kate because she has all the answers. I've never seen such a group of needy (and clueless) people.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I wonder if Bullyville is counting on me not suing them too for claiming that I had some attorney contacting them trying to stop that video. They are pretty brazen and that speaks volumes to their credibility and the lengths they will go to to prove an agenda. I am open too to those being Jon's emails but I still don't understand why this information was held silent until now. I think I need to accept that nothing adds up perfectly when it comes to this whole mess. I'm going to enjoy the game tonight and forget this.

Lynne In RI said...

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack 7m

@BarbGilmer @BullyVille @Kateplusmy8 These kids adore their mother...she is everything 2them! The Gosselins have no doubts abt Kate's love!

And we have no doubt about how much Milo is in love with Kate, but is it reciprocated?

I hope Milo is around when the Mommy Dearest books come out. Of course she will say that the contents were altered.

This lovefest with Kate is so nauseating.

Where are Deanna and Jamie?

jl dent said...

This should never of got out to the public it should be behind close doors what normal people would do. You can't help to see that the kids are hearing about this since its out in plain sight those are the ones that are going to feel the most pain, I can't see why they are continuing this mess

SCgal said...

This whole thing is making me sick. I think Kate is getting BV to do her dirty work for her, as several others have stated. This is just getting disgusting. She's showing her true colors, in my opinion.

I want to say that although I don't agree with Ex-Nurse on everything about Jon, I also think her posts are well-thought out and I admire her.

njay said...

My thought is simple I know but JUST ASK KATE TO DENY THE ACCUSATIONS IN THE BOOK.

Tucker's Mom said...

jl dent said... 80
This should never of got out to the public it should be behind close doors what normal people would do. You can't help to see that the kids are hearing about this since its out in plain sight those are the ones that are going to feel the most pain, I can't see why they are continuing this mess
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I've been saying this from the beginning, although it's got car wreck qualities that make it so watchable. That said, I'd rather that it was behind closed doors, kept private so the kids don't have to see their parents smeared across Radar's screen every damn day.
Kate has been "masterminding" this and could have shut it down. Now, what really is pure evil is Kate egging this mess on publicly.
It can't be said enough: Kate hates Jon more than she loves her children.

foxy said...

When Jon was told by an arbitrator to return $180,000, Kate was also told to return $100,000. She said she took that money for safe keeping to buy her kids food. That's a lot of grapes and crackers. That was when she was on Today with Meredith Viera on 10/05/2009.

That woman just won't get over the fact that she will never be able to kick Jon completely to the curb as she does to everyone else. Neither of them have clean hands on this. I think Jon and Robert are just waiting their time out and then they will pounce on BV. Kate this is not going to end well. Think of your kids.

Amy2 said...

Kate didn't sue RH over of the contents of the book. Instead she tries to discredit him. If Kate has a problem w/the contents, why DOESN'T she sue. Oh that's right, because she knows its her own words. Kate is just playing the same old deflection game. Look over here, there's nothing to see over there. Her 6 fans buy it, the rest of the people know its just another game to her.

not a fan of Jon's said...

ExNurse, I appreciate the work you did in digging up what was going on at that time period.

Someone told someone else to take a break from the computer because she seemed upset. May I suggest the person accusing ExNurse of being Head Of The Sheep maybe should have a time out as well?

That was uncalled for and frankly I'm surprised it went thru.

njay said...

SCgal said... 81
This whole thing is making me sick. I think Kate is getting BV to do her dirty work for her, as several others have stated. This is just getting disgusting. She's showing her true colors, in my opinion.
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I agree with you SCgal, It's making me sick also. Only kate is not showing her true colors, she has always done that. People just don't want to see them.$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ I just can't wait until she makes BV mad. It will happen, she disrespects everyone sooner or later and boy will the tables turn fast. That's when to get the popcorn.

Lynne In RI said...

Paula said... 53

I have believed for quite some time that "Ex-Nurse" is Ms. Goody...just saying....

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Goody couldn't write with such fluidity if her life depended on it. Not only that, Goody couldn't put together a post of any length without injecting obscenities about Jon. Moreover, Nurse's posts are well thought out, with logic and critical thinking. Goody just goes on a tirade about whatever hits her at the moment.

Anonymous said...

New post by RH at Gosselin Book site.

OrangeCrusher1 said...

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack 7m

@BarbGilmer @BullyVille @Kateplusmy8 These kids adore their mother...she is everything 2them! The Gosselins have no doubts abt Kate's love!

Guess you really cannot make up this stuff. Hey Milo, have you actually ever looked at a picture of Kate with her kids? I have yet to ever see an adoring look. What are you smoking?

Tiredofthelies said...

Robert has a new entry. Sounds ture to me!

Unknown said...

Lynne In RI said... 85
''... Not only that, Goody couldn't put together a post of any length without injecting obscenities about Jon.''
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That caused me to laugh so much I had a coughing fit! It was SO true.

JoyinVirginia said...

Louisville and Michigan is a GREAT basketball game! I figured out why Michigan is wearing those neon yellow uniforms - the bright yellow blinds their opponents!

Millicent said...

Blowing In The Wind said... 45

Have no idea. But if he was taking a lie detector test about these journals, wouldn't it stand to reason that one of questions would be "how did you obtain these journals?"

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I thought polygraph examiners asked only asked yes and no questions. Has that changed?
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I'm not a polygraph examiner and have never known one. You are probably right. In that case, the question would be "Did Jon Gosselin give you the journal?" Follow up questions could include: "Did Jon Gosselin give you a hard drive from a computer within the home?" And so forth. An examiner could ask yes or no questions about how Hoffman obtained these journals in any number of ways.

My point was more along the lines that if he was taking a polygraph about his book, specifically how he obtained the information contained in his book, wouldn't it make sense that the questions would include those that were designed to elicit how he obtained the journals and other information? Because attorneys would want to stop publication if they could prove he obtained the journals illegally (by breaking in, etc.)

Millicent said...

http://perezhilton.com/2009-10-17-awards-shows-reject-jon-gosselin

Well, I wouldn't consider Perez HIlton a reputable news source.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

To sum up his blog entry, Robert says the texts are flat out lies, that he and Jon weren't even talking in October 2009 much less going out to eat with his girlfriend at a diner, that he found the information in April 2010, and had he found it in October 2009, he flat out would have run to the tabloids with it right there and then and gotten a massive payout since this is the time when they were on every cover. Moreover, it would have been very helpful to Jon in court had he known. The metadata shows the files were last updated in 2007. The journals were found in April 2010 when Jon was moving everything out.

You know what, what Robert says adds up. There are holes in BV's allegations I can't reconcile.

They lied about my "lawyers" going after them, folks. Flat out lied. They have a track record of LYING. I believe Robert.

Tucker's Mom said...

Regarding the recent texts that ‘prove something?’
I saw them today and all I can say is that the only thing about them that looks remotely real is that somebody thought I might be gay. I get that sometimes because I dress nice.
*******
I love Robert's sense of humor!
Go read his full entry here:
http://gosselinbook.blogspot.com/

Thank you for speaking up Robert.

JoyinVirginia said...

I love the capital one commercials with Charles Barkley and Alec Baldwin. Charles can't travel because he didn't have the capital one card, so he is home with his mama asking if she should iron his underwear.
Alec and Charles at a ball game, Charles wants to save a hot dog for later. ” its like a little hot dog steamer in there”. ” you got any mustard?”

Lynne In RI said...

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack 33m

@Mydmaxx @Kateplusmy8 Yeah...Kate has 2know the #GuyStuff too 4the sake of her boys! I loved it when she took them 2the DudeRanch! :)

Since when is a dude ranch sexist? I thought girls could enjoy them just as much as guys!

Unknown said...

I'm going to quote this part of what Robert said on his blog...

''I also find it odd that David Perel at Radar Online would continue to report this nonsense as if it were fact. Not only has Perel not contacted me for comment in the past week, but he fails to mention the lie detector test that I took for his company, American Media, specifically dealing with the acquisition of and the possible altering of Kate Gosselin’s journal, as well as questions about Jon Gosselin’s involvement, if any, so his company could verify that I was telling the truth before Star Magazine would publish a story about the book and it’s contents.''

GO ROBERT....GO!

njay said...

http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/03/jon-gosselin-ex-kate-major-will-testify-for-kate-says-jon-out-to-smear-her/
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Admin, couldn't her testimony be thrown out because Kate Major was a jilted lover who, after having sex with Jon, he talked her into quitting her job with the Star (tabloid) to be with him. After she quit, especially in the middle of a story she was there to get for the Star, he sent a text dumping her and went back to Glassman. After receiving the text she was VERY UPSET!

Millicent said...

ExNurse said:
it speaks to what his state of mind was at the time, which was, understandably vengeful.
***************8
Only Jon can say what was going through his mind. You say he was "understandably vengeful" but you can't say that with certainty.

This is red herring stuff to detract from what Kate wrote in her journals, where she detailed what an abusive, freakish so-called mother she is. Robert says he got the journals by going through the garbage. He says he passed a lie detector test. He is NOT being sued by Kate's preferred law firm.

That tells me that Hoffman's got legal standing on his side.

So whether Jon was feeling "vengeful" or any other emotion at that time is neither here nor there. You can't bring a lawsuit based on snippets of gossip provided by Perez HIlton in 2009.

chefsummer #Leh said...

Thank U Robert..

(They shared a computer back then. He trusted nobody, especially somebody working for US Weekly,)
(Gosselin book)

Once again thank u Robert.

Tucker's Mom said...

Robert's latest blog entry makes sense to me. He is very specific and selfishly, I hope Kate and BV tick him off just enough that he unleashes his arsenal of dirt.
Be careful what you wish for Kate.

Virginia Pen Mom said...

Robert's entry not only has the ring of truth, it punches all kinds of holes in the official Kate/BV version of events. And the texts look downright stupid now.

Go, Robert, go!

I love when he says: "If anyone receives a legal notice regarding a class action law suit, contact me to see if any of the plaintiffs are among the many, many Kate Gosselin supporters who emailed and Tweeted me death threats as well as calling me pedophile, stalker, child molester and every other vile name in the book. Wouldn’t it be ironic if some of those same fans were part of the class action suit?"

Marie said...

I agree Admin. I think Bullyville is lying and Robert is telling the truth. He has nothing to lose at this point. I guess I don't understand why Bullyville would put their reputation on the line here. What's in it for them? Did they think Robert and Jon would be intimiated and just back down? I really don't get it.

Marie

Tucker's Mom said...

And if anyone thinks that Kate Gosselin’s journal is my only proof of abuse, you have a big shock in store for you.
******
We've seen the spoons in the car, we've seen Kate spank and pinch the crap out of her girls and we've seen her nasty attitude all around. Not to mention her violent accounts of corporal punishment.
I can't imagine how bad it really gets.

Millicent said...

By the way, I didn't tell any poster to take a break - I suggested to one poster that they might want to take a break because they were clearly getting very upset about this situation. I meant the remark kindly, knowing that I have been in that exact situation myself - getting very upset about something online and have learned that the best thing to do sometimes is simply walk away and live "real life" for awhile. It really provides a good healthy break.

In "real life," I am a concilator by nature - always trying to see both sides, searching for common ground. But sometimes I am dismayed by myself online - taking a hard stance, getting really upset with people who disagree with me (usually in a disagreeable fashion). It's a hazard of being anonymous online. I don't like when I behave that way.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Admin, couldn't her testimony be thrown out

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Not thrown out for those reasons but it would create massive credibility problems and would probably be mostly disregarded.

You know I want to backtrack here, another possibility is the scorned girlfriend altered those texts and Bullyville honestly thought they were real and don't know her history to be suspicious. If you look at the photo it's actually a photo of a printout. Clever, because then you can't look at the meta data of the list of emails to verify they were in fact sent in 2009. GENIUS, Kate Major. It would be easy enough to print out some old emails or texts from that time period then change them to say whatever your agenda is.

I KNEW those texts were just too darn perfect. Even the girlfriend seems to be urging Jon please don't do this, babe, why do this (PLLLEASE like you were such a saint.) The girlfriend comes across as the hero trying to convince Jon not to do it (thus she won't be implicated since clearly she was against it) and even a jab about Robert's sexuality. The whole thing explained in just a handful of texts? Smoking guns are never that perfect.

Compare those to Kate's journals and emails which I believe to be real. Some of them are a little hard to understand without the context, most of them feel like you are jumping into the middle of the conversation. None of them explain things too "perfectly." They are sort of just a small puzzle piece. Like a real segment of emails would look.

njay said...

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/kate-major-dishes-sex-life-jon-gosselin-screwed-acted-dirtbag-article-1.396981

Sorry, I forgot to post the article. Here it is.

Anonymous said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 92
To sum up his blog entry, Robert says the texts are flat out lies, that he and Jon weren't even talking in October 2009 much less going out to eat with his girlfriend at a diner, that he found the information in April 2010, and had he found it in October 2009, he flat out would have run to the tabloids with it right there and then and gotten a massive payout since this is the time when they were on every cover. Moreover, it would have been very helpful to Jon in court had he known. The metadata shows the files were last updated in 2007. The journals were found in April 2010 when Jon was moving everything out.

You know what, what Robert says adds up. There are holes in BV's allegations I can't reconcile.

They lied about my "lawyers" going after them, folks. Flat out lied. They have a track record of LYING. I believe Robert.
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They said "a" lawyer contacted them about your video. It is possible that someone claiming to be a lawyer did just that. There are plenty of crazies on all sides.

chefsummer #Leh said...

Robert has more proof the her journals OMG.

He is going to bust her wide open.

If I was KK I would call BV off and return to lame tweeting b4 it's to late.

A Pink Straight Jacket For Kate said...

Run, do not walk over to Gosselinbook/blogspot.com

Robert has posted his rebuttal- and as Rickie Ricardo used to say, "He has some splaining to do"...

Go Robert, GO!!!

Tucker's Mom said...

Admin, the so-called "texts" tip off for me was alluding to Robert being gay. Seriously?
That was all personal agenda.

Marie said...

Admin, what do you think Jon and Robert and even Kate should do now? Kate G should apologize to both Robert and Jon publicly IMO but that just doesn't seem like enough. What has been done here is just horrible.

Marie

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


They said "a" lawyer contacted them about your video. It is possible that someone claiming to be a lawyer did just that. There are plenty of crazies on all sides.

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That scenerio is ethically impossible. Lawyers must do what their clients' want, they cannot act on my behalf without my permission. I can't take on a "secret" case on someone else's behalf because I need to be able to communicate with the actual client. What if I said I didn't WANT that done (I didn't!!!). I could have SUED THE FREAKING PANTS OFF THAT "LAWYER" AND REPORTED HIM TO THE STATE BAR FOR ACTING AS MY LAWYER WITHOUT MY PERMISSION. It's just not possible.

Even if it were ethically fine, I find it fantastical to believe that someone sent a lawyer on my behalf saying hey please help this woman out she needs a C&D or some other kind of threat written up for her, BUT, don't tell her, and we'll handle the legal fees!. That's insane! LOL!

And besides, I put out a public call to please let me know if that has happened and not a single person has owned up to it.

Believe me i've considered the possibility and I can't think of a single solitary lawyer I've ever known in my entire life who would be willing to take on a case under those circumstances. You have to do what your client wants, this is a lawyer's ethical duty. You are ethically not PERMITTED to do what someone else wants on MY BEHALF unless I have a conservator or similar scenario, which obviously isn't the case. If this happened, I want that attorney's name, because I'm reporting him to the Bar. Period.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Admin, what do you think Jon and Robert and even Kate should do now?

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I don't know, I guess I think they should all just call a truce and stop. Stop. Just stop.

Honestly it's not going anywhere but in a circle. What do you think?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Wait are you saying someone could have claimed to be a lawyer but they weren't really? You mean committed the crime of posing as a licensed attorney and the unauthorized practice of law? Yikes! All for little ole me? :) Gee thanks!

Wouldn't Bullyville which Ex Nurse says has all their ducks in a row make sure the lawyer they are talking to is actually a lawyer? State Bars are all public record and most have a very easy search function to make sure your lawyer is licensed, you can do it in two seconds flat.

Marie said...

I think if its true that these were fake, Kate should get rid of Bullyville and publicly apologize to Jon and Robert. And start going to family counseling. How dysfunctinal can you get.

Marie

Tucker's Mom said...

Marie said... 104
I think if its true that these were fake, Kate should get rid of Bullyville and publicly apologize to Jon and Robert. And start going to family counseling. How dysfunctinal can you get.
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Never going to happen. If I believe Robert, and right now I do, he has been smeared in public and he is the one who has a right to cry foul and "can we sue?"

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Admin, the so-called "texts" tip off for me was alluding to Robert being gay. Seriously?
That was all personal agenda.

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Yes they couldn't help themselves.

Also the girlfriend coming across as the hero trying to stop it. Lol, come off it. What with everything going on at the time I can't imagine the person he was with at the time being the voice of reason.

Wouldn't the girlfriend say honey what's on the harddrive exactly? Do you think this might actually help you in court? Is there a legal way we can get it? What if we called your lawyer and discussed this with him? Instead she immediately rushes to oh no honey you can't do THAT that would be so bad of you! (from the context, this is what happened, as Jon appears to be "fighting" with her about how he HAS to do this)

The more I think about it the more it's all just too perfect. Ya'll called it.

chefsummer #Leh said...

Marie said... 104

Kate should get rid of Bullyville and publicly apologize to Jon and Rob
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Love ur post.

But it would be a icy storm in he$$ be for KK say's sorry to anyone.

Warmth Of The Sun said...

In October of 2009, where the fake texts say that Jon got me the ‘hard drive,’ I was working for US weekly and Jon didn’t trust me as far as he could throw me. He and I were nowhere near close enough on October 14, 2009 that he would trust me with something like that. Not even close. The last thing he would have done is give me access to Kate’s ‘hard drive’ which was also his ‘hard drive.’ They shared a computer back then. He trusted nobody, especially somebody working for US Weekly, the tabloid that started this whole mess.

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My first thoughts when I read the scripted texts. Someone upthread said it would be like texting step by step instructions to a hit man to carry out a crime. You just don't put out information can be so easily traced.

TJ said...

Again...Yeah Robert

Unknown said...

Man.....it is looking more and more that KK has punked Bullyville into helping her, doesn't it? I wonder how he is going to wiggle out of this.

As my daddy used to say.....go eat dirt KK. GO ROBERT!

PatK said...

...and the ball is over the net and back in bv's court.

Buttered or plain, folks?

Amy2 said...

Thank you Robert.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Popcorn?? We need more than that.

We got meatball subs for the game tonight. And tiramisu. It's out on the porch with forks and plates--help yourselves and enjoy!!

NJGal51 said...

Andy Dick said on DWTS tonight (not exact quote)..."My kids have had it hard because I'm their father...my problems become their problems..."

I think all parties involved in this mess should take note. There are 8 others that you've got to consider and your problems are their problems. If you think they don't know what's going on you're sadly mistaken.

Tucker's Mom said...

Was Jon and Kate's divorce settled when she threw him out of the apt.? I'm wondering how she could order Jon out of his living domicile "just like that".
Also, calling the cops on Robert because he was on the property helping Jon was just petty.

chefsummer #Leh said...

Bullyville ‏@BullyVille 2h
A liar begins with making falsehood appear like truth, and ends with making truth itself appear like falsehood.
Retweeted by Kate Gosselin
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Oh KK you need to stop girl be for it's to late.

Anonymous said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 106
Wait are you saying someone could have claimed to be a lawyer but they weren't really? You mean committed the crime of posing as a licensed attorney and the unauthorized practice of law? Yikes! All for little ole me? :) Gee thanks!

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Yes, that is what I was saying. I have no clue, just suggesting that the possibility exists given the crazy on all sides of the Gosselin saga.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I think Kate underestimates the lengths people involved will go to to either defend her or discredit her. Ex girlfriends will lie, sheeple will lie, people will lie about lawyers or heavens perhaps even impersonate lawyers, more and more that never should have been disclosed that Robert has may come out now. All because of her active choice to get involved with this group.

She's in WAY over her head with Bullville and this won't end pretty. What a mistake this is. I can't imagine anything else taking the Number One spot when I do her worst moments of 2013.

mamaK said...

The journal entries that Robert includes in his book are nearly WORD FOR WORD what Kate has written in "I just want you to know". WORD FOR WORD. And, if you read IJWYTK, you can read about the lack of judgement, the lack of parenting skills, and the abusive mentality that Kate has. She writes about it. I don't know how anyone can read IJWYTK and think that Kate is a good mother or a great role model!!!

I mean, the kids are in their cribs "sleeping" and she has no monitor to listen in and she goes to get them and they have tipped over a dresser and are standing with broken lamps around them.
Her idea as to how to get six infants out of the house in case of fire was to store a blanket under the crib and Jon would put all the babies in it to carry them out in a Santa like sack. She even admits that this would probably cause them to break some bones, but it would be better than dying in fire.
AND THIS IS WHAT SHE WRITES. This is what she put out there for you to believe she is a great mom. Her judgement is seriously lacking.
She blames most of the kids behaviors not on age or lack of parenting, but on their character (stubbornness, willfulness).
This sets her up for being abusive.
And we have seen the extreme neglect on the show! Hours in cribs, left alone in the open garage while Kate got snacks, etc.
I'm team Robert.
Jon came out of the divorce paying through the nose. He lost so much and he would not have had to lose if he had presented these journals to the court. No way.
And, more important, WHY IS KATE ONLY FIGHTING ABOUT HOW THE INFO WAS OBTAINED AND NOT TAKING ROBERT TO COURT?
Cuz it's true?

AuntieAnn said...

IF (IF IF IF) that text WAS verified, Mr. McG, who wants to out Robert has to out the person who outed Jon who wanted to out Kate. This is the fault that lay in the house that Kate built.

Oh hell, pptp.

Virginia Pen Mom said...

PatK said... 113
...and the ball is over the net and back in bv's court.

Buttered or plain, folks?

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lol, you all crack me up! Yes, I'll have buttered popcorn, tiramisu, and samoas too... Let's get a fire going. We're going to need a LOT of chocolate to get through this one.

Admin, with anyone else I'd say Kate has hit bottom and this will be her #1 for 2013. But Kate just keeps finding a lower pit to land in.

Virginia Pen Mom said...

Tucker's Mom said... 102
Admin, the so-called "texts" tip off for me was alluding to Robert being gay. Seriously?
That was all personal agenda.

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Yes, now that you say it, getting that dig in to Robert makes perfect sense.

Sleepless In Seattle said...

I have yet to ever see an adoring look. What are you smoking?

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I don't know, but it must be some good stuff. i want some, along with one of admin's meatball subs.

Unknown said...
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OrangeCrusher1 said...

Just imagine, KG's worst moments of 2013 peaked in March/April of this year. I cannot imagine how much lower she can go. Cookbook, what cookbook? She has really dug a hole this time. Is she tweeting platitudes today?

Mel said...

Think Robert has audio or video of Kate either beating a kid or doing something else not good?

There's not much that could be worse than her journals, is there?

Virginia Pen Mom said...

Bullyville ‏@BullyVille 6m
A liar begins with making falsehood appear like truth, and ends with making truth itself appear like falsehood.
Retweeted by Kate Gosselin

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Right after Robert posted his blog, Kate suddenly said she was going to bed. Now she's back and retweeting Bullyville. This platitude about liars could easily apply to Kate and Bullyville themselves. Do they not see that? Methinks they are protesting too much again! (Really, Milo has ruined "methinks" for me, but I'll use it anyway.)

PTL said...

The scenario that makes the most sense to me is that bullyville believes the info to be correct. This guy has "little man" syndrome and public opinion is his God.
I'm relieved to think none of this is true.
It may be an old girlfrind, Al or Polly. Kate Major seems likely. Will we ever know?
Jon does have integrity and I'm sorry I doubted him.

Mel said...

Yep, this BV thing was a really good idea. I'm sure that tv shows are beating down Kate's door, cuz they ALL want to be involved with whack jobs. Or not.

Anonymous said...

The plot thickens.

http://radaronline.com/photos/email-exchanges-between-kate-gosselin-hailey-glassman-proof-kate-took-jons-incriminating-correspondence-2/photo/513612/

laurajean

carezee said...

Of course this site does is again. The people here were spot on when they said last week that this whole poor bullying of Kate was in reality Kate trying to get to Robert's book. The articles have gone from kate being bullied, to a class action suit against her bullies to..... lets sue Jon and Robert for getting the information on Kate. Let me say this is my opinion.

She has been "working" so hard this past week. I am sure she has been meeting with her bully friend. Leave it to Kate for not paying attention to what Robert had said about the cd's. She decides he has the hard drive. I wonder who she had working with her on the text messages. Sorry but it has her finger prints all over this. She will do anything she can to stop this book.



JoyinVirginia said...

Its only April, admin. I have confidence in Ms Kreider that she will continue to blunder her way thru the year and have an even worse worst moment!
Hey, she hasn't let us down yet!

She is evil said...

It looks like Katie Irene has finally met her match. And it's perfect karma that the person who has f**ked her over is herself. Finally. She has been a force of negativity for long enough. I hope this makes her go away from the public spotlight and I pray for those children

not a fan of Jon's said...

She's in WAY over her head with Bullville and this won't end pretty. What a mistake this is.

Ain't that the truth. She's truly one of a kind. This shit needs to stop.

Sleepless In Seattle said...

A phone number was included in the texts. If someone has that phone number now, and the person who has the number has received any kind of threats or harassing phone calls, would he/she have a case against ROL?

Silimom said...

From Robert's blog: And if anyone thinks that Kate Gosselin’s journal is my only proof of abuse, you have a big shock in store for you.

Intriguing. Did she take pictures?

Unknown said...

From KK's twitter:
Bullyville ‏@BullyVille 23m
A liar begins with making falsehood appear like truth, and ends with making truth itself appear like falsehood.
Retweeted by Kate Gosselin
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KK has lost all reason. She is just going to keep on poking and poking and poking until she causes Robert to release something else. He posted on his book blog:
''And if anyone thinks that Kate Gosselin’s journal is my only proof of abuse, you have a big shock in store for you.''

I just had a sudden thought! Is it at all possible that KK is sub-consciously trying to force Robert to release something that would cause her to lose custody of the kids to Jon?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Holy crap. So Kate was reaching out to Hailey trying to dig up dirt and after Hailey specifically told her not to print the text messages because her mom was going to ESTRANGE Hailey for it (she had had enough), Kate did it ANYWAY? Talk about disrespectful. She doesn't care one bit about Hailey, she just wanted what she wanted. Kate Gosselin needs a job. A job. Any job. Also she just admitted the book is true if she's looking to implicate Jon in it....haha.

This looks like buyer's remorse from Hailey. Sending those text messages (real or embellished or made up) then suddenly saying oops don't print those! What the heck?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

You people scare me how spot on you are sometimes.

I really do think she needs a new focus here. A charity, work, something. She is running around like a chicken with her head cut off over a book that has already been published. That ship has sailed. Anyone who was interested has either read it or heard all about what's in it. Most media didn't really care. Had she just let it fade quietly away it would have gone away. She decided to stir the pot again, make threats about videos that are over two years old, go on some red herring bullying campaign all to get, get this, the father of her eight children whom they love. I say this in all seriousness, I really wish she would get therapy to help her move on from her issues with him and whatever decisions he made in 2009.

You know what, Kate has no clean hands here. At the same time this was all allegedly going on she was on her pity me tour blaming Jon for everything. Did she really think any sane person could just let her do that without fighting back at some point? She's just nuts. She poked and prodded Jon just as much as he did her. They had a nasty divorce, whatever, lots of people do. It was three years ago. She really needs to move on and if she can't, she needs to get the help of a professional to do so. How does it make you feel good to be going around and around in circles hating your children's father? I don't understand it.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I'm not sure Kate understands this. Let's assume, for argument's sake, that she is 100% right about Jon. He's a terrible person just out to get her and should be locked up. Even so, to go on a crusade like this just makes her look obsessed, fixated, paranoid, and bitterly angry. It makes her look bad. Sort of like in anything in life, no matter how right you are, when it gets to the point where you can never let it go and are still harping on it, eventually people start turning against you and starting to wonder how stable you really are if you can't let something go like everyone else does.

If he really is so bad, she should be a grown up and deal with it quietly, behind closed doors. Classy people don't splash their problems all over the place or try to coerce others to do their dirty work. They deal with them, quickly and quietly. And classy people don't jump immediately at every lawsuit they can dream up. Smart people know that lawsuits are a method of last resort when all other reasonable and rational efforts have failed.

Now I think Kate is mostly using Bullyville and they just got excited a somewhat known personality wanted to get so involved. it's mutual, but it was Kate who is doing most of the using.

FYI said...

Admin-rather than do an annual review of "Kate's Worst Moments", maybe you should do a quarterly review instead.

Kate seems to think that her hands are "clean" so to speak, and that she will come out of this smelling like a rose. She acts first and doesn't think about the consequences at all. She lets other people(bullyville) do her dirty work, thinking that she will be vindicated.

The more and more this goes on, the more info will come out. Kate just doesn't get it--she thinks that she is immune, that everyone is on her side. If those exchanges with Hailey are true, they show completely the opposite.

I just have to wonder how the children are being affected by all of this. They may not know what is going on, but I worry about Kate's attitude and demeanor through this whole fiasco.

If Kate cared one iota about her chidren, she would stop it all, and stop it now. IMO, the fact that she hasn't done so, tells me a lot. She can claim all she wants that she's this "supermother", but her actions over the last week or so, truly shows that Kate cares about one thing and one thing only--herself.

I've also noticed that Kate is now following Anderson Cooper on twitter. Why? Is she afraid that a "real" journalist will pick up this story, and she needs to be ready to defend herself?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Bullyville, you have 24 hours to explain what you meant by my "lawyers" contacting you.

He-he, just kidding. I don't freaking care.

See how silly this gets? They should all just stop, STOP, take a deep breath, and then continue to stop. Do not pass Go either.

AuntieAnn said...

(Administrator) said... 102

You know I want to backtrack here, another possibility is the scorned girlfriend altered those texts and Bullyville honestly thought they were real and don't know her history to be suspicious. If you look at the photo it's actually a photo of a printout. Clever, because then you can't look at the meta data of the list of emails to verify they were in fact sent in 2009. GENIUS, Kate Major. It would be easy enough to print out some old emails or texts from that time period then change them to say whatever your agenda is.

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Maybe it was two or three women scorned.

This is interesting.

I won't copy and paste the entire comment as it's still there in the archives (It was posted in GWOP 12/20/2009 11:10 AM)
but the odd thing is a reference to "nail in the coffin" which kind of makes a person raise an eyebrow.


"I might know things said…

Pay close attention to this and then watch what happens. The conspiracy against Jon is more far reaching and twisted than anyone knows.

It is already fairly well known that Stephanie Santoro was on TLC/Kate’s payroll. As was Deanna Hummel. What may not be known is that Kate Majors was also and so were Lohan and Hailley herself!
[snip]

Look how Hailley swooped in. The daughter of Kate’s plastic surgeon contacts Jon out of the blue to offer “support”. Yeah ok. So she pretends they have this big romance going and then BAM! She starts telling the world how Jon is a pathological liar, Jon is crazy, Jon is a stalker. And to what was she referring?

[snip]

Another move is coming soon and it will be the nail in Jon’s coffin. It’s going to be devastating. Just watch."

12/20/2009 11:10 AM

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

All right here's my theory based on the newest emails. Haley still hasn't grown up and has been following this all religiously and thought here was an opportunity to make up some texts from Jon, forward them to Kate, and implicate him in the book. She contacted Kate and did it.

Then, she had buyer's remorse. She got scared and backed out. She sent that desperate email to Kate they published suddenly claiming that her mom is going to estrange her if she continued to be involved with the Gosselins and that under no circumstances can Kate release those texts.

Why else do you go from, "here's some texts Kate enjoy!" to "oh my gosh no no Kate do NOT publish what I just sent you!!" What??

Anyone remember Cody's step-aunt Liz from Country Boys? "Cody! What a mess, what a mess, what a mess!!: Said with a Kentucky accent (congrats!!).

Unknown said...

I find it really interesting that Laverne & Shirley seem to have washed their hands of KK. Is the law firm that KK's email introduced Hailey to supposed to be the law firm handling the ''class action suit''?

I should be ashamed to admit it (I'm not) but I am sitting here smirking that we're seeing the ''work'' she is getting all dressed up to go to is......punking bully boy into dealing w/attorneys in yet another idiotic, failing scheme to shut up the people who are saying hateful things to her. ....AND yet another pathetic attempt to not only stop Robert's book, but to make Jon PAY and PAY and PAY that she can no longer control him!!!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Remona, exactly.

Wednesday, 10:30 A.M., and she's conversing with her ex's ex girlfriend from THREE YEARS AGO trying to cook up some kind of conspiracy theory to....do what exactly? I still haven't figured that out. She probably was sitll in bed! Just think she could be helping people on dialysis instead.

You can't make this up. I find myself more distracted by how sad her life is that this is how she occupies her work week, rather than getting too caught up in the details of who or what anymore.

not a fan of Jon's said...

We got meatball subs for the game tonight. And tiramisu. It's out on the porch with forks and plates--help yourselves and enjoy!!


I find this insensitive. Can anyone really work up an appetite reading this pathetically, sad, twisted trail? Those poor children. They must not know which end is up. Makes my stomach turn, at least.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Not a fan, sharing "food" and "drinks" is what we've done for years. It's not meant to be insensitive. I see it as a way to relieve the tension. You don't have to partake if you don't like it but it's just one thing we just "do."

When someone says "pass the popcorn" it in no way meant to say we don't take it seriously or want to make light of things. It's a way to try to keep ourselves SANE.

Starz22 said...

I don't care how the information was given or gotten to or by for Robert. Child Abuse should never be ignored.

When the divorce came Jon lost everything. People bitched and still bitch...telling Jon take her to court. They yell over and over..I wouldn't have stopped. There are only so many times he can take kate to court with out pissing off the Judge. The Judge made it clear that he was on kate's side,and Jon was a disgruntled ex .
Let's not forgot it was not just the courts who seemed to be blowing him off. Jon didn't have the bank-roll or the TLC lawyers that kate had.
Jon had nothing...no way to help his kids.

So I don't give a rats ass if he's someway involved in this. It shows me that he has never given up on trying to help his kids. His hands and his tongue has been tied for years.
I can't see how this would make the kid's angry. One day to be able to understand that (despite what kate has been beating into their heads) Daddy never gave up...he really does love them and tried to get them the help they are in such desperate need of.

Robert,whats the hold up with the book? If you have the green light why stretch it out anymore? The longer the delay...the longer the Gosselin children have to suffer in silence.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I still don't understand the end game here. A lawsuit? Suing for what? She is a public figure and is going to have a rough time coming up with anything much here. Even if she could come up with something most statute of limitations are one or two years, we're long past that.

Silimom said...

I can't access the email exchange link on Radar. They say it's not there anymore.

Unknown said...

Now things are getting REALLY interesting. The plot thickens! ROL has deleted the email exchange between KK and Hailey from their site. Anyone wonder why? I've got my suspicions....
http://radaronline.com/photos/email-exchanges-between-kate-gosselin-hailey-glassman-proof-kate-took-jons-incriminating-correspondence-2/photo/513612/

FYI said...

Admin-like you, I don't understand the end game here. Is Kate so desperate to protect her "Super Loving Mom" image, that she will take any means to do so, and doesn't care who she hurts in the process? If she loves her children as much as she claims to, I just don't understand why she continues to vilify their father. She'll keep going until she can say to herself "I've won", but does she even realize that in the main scope of things, it's her children that lose?

To me, her continuous vilification of Jon just shows me that in her mind, the only way she can prove to herself that she is a "good" mother, is to prove that Jon is a "bad" father. Also, the fact that she depends on her "tweeties" to agree with her in quest for supermom stardom, is very sad.

How sad that she needs the validation of others to prove her self-worth. How much more sadder for her children.

Ingrid said...

And now the Hailey Kate emails are gone. "Page not found"

Anonymous said...

http://www.gosselinbook.blogspot.com/


Leslie

She is evil said...

"Psge Not Found" is what comes up when I click on the radar online article on email exchanges between Kate and Hailey. Where did it go? Does Kate have her hands that deeply into ROL? Scary

Unknown said...

I'm off to bed, and won't be around till afternoon tomorrow. So......I'll give my theory about why ROL deleted the exchange of emails between KK and Hailey. I suspect that Hailey freaked about the fake ''texts'' she sent, and made it clear to ROL that she was NOT going to commit perjury about them....so they had to also delete the email exchange.

Anonymous said...

Good morning and a good one it is. Robert has a new post denying those text message and much more:

http://gosselinbook.blogspot.com/2013/04/update.html

Leslie

westcoastie said...

....and the reason ROL removed the article referenced above about an email exchange between the cuntessa and Hailey is....what? Crib notes please.

I was busy with a double episode of Dallas and missed this whole thing.

Vanessa said...

She probably had her phone and Jon's phone and sent the "texts" back and forth without his knowledge

jillygee said...

go read Robert's new post : )

this is getting just ridiculous. wtf is wrong with these people. shaking my head.

TLC stinks said...

The Radar link posted by laurajean says page is no longer available and there is no story about Hailey Glassman emails to Kate. What's going on?

Admin, I believe the end game here is obsession to destroy Jon. At any cost.

Vanessa said...

What is so disturbing to me is that she absolutely KNOWS those disks were found in the trash. She KNOWS she's the one who put them there, there is a police report to substantiate it. She kicked him out with NOTHING, bankrupted him, denied him access to his kids, went on a smear campaign and she STILL WANTS TO GET HIM!! When is it going to be enough? When will she stop? She wants to absolutely bury the guy!

LB said...

I guess we now know the Palin family was telling the truth? I thought of them after reading Robert's new post. I don't know. I guess because they were also submitted to her behavior and were the first ones to say the truth on TV before Jamie making that statement about Kate gone Hollywood.

Vanessa said...

And how can she think that what she's so desperately trying to make the world believe
about Jon will gain her public support, compared to WHAT SHE HAS DONE? Send HIM to jail? You effing BEAT YOUR KIDS! You effing BEAT your dogs!
Love love love that Robert proves NOBODY is interested in this sh@t, only ONE TABLOID?? HAHA!
You stupid cow, should have just left it all alone.

Tucker's Mom said...

Anonymous said... 138
The plot thickens.

http://radaronline.com/photos/email-exchanges-between-kate-gosselin-hailey-glassman-proof-kate-took-jons-incriminating-correspondence-2/photo/513612/

laurajean
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Interesting this article has been pulled. Of all the unsubstantiated BS Radar prints about this saga, this is pulled?
Can someone who has read it give me the executive summary?
Thanks!

AMD said...

So, did "Mr. Bullyville Man" not "consider the source" before publishing those text messages allegedly sent by Jon? Ah, Kate, you should train your minions better.

boo said...

I think I missed something here. What emails are you talking about? I don't see anything on Radar.

MJ said...

Very interesting, but not surprising, that the article about Kate and Hailey's texts has been removed from Radar.

Tucker's Mom said...

Bullyville ‏@BullyVille 6m
A liar begins with making falsehood appear like truth, and ends with making truth itself appear like falsehood.
Retweeted by Kate Gosselin
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A liar begins with a nugget of truth upon which a mountain of lies are built.
-Me

TLC stinks said...

I saw tweets that ROL pulled those Hailey emails to Kate. You think Dr. Glassman's attorney contacted Perel? Hailey forged texts maybe? Why does Perel only have McGibney's ear?

Did anyone copy that ROL story? Wow. This is like living a soap opera.

JoyinVirginia said...

Last night game between Michigan and Louisville was terrific, one of the best NCAA championship games there has been in a few years. I would have been happy with either team winning. For sentimental reasons, I am glad it was Louisville and glad Kevin Ware was able to be on the bench with his team, after that horrendous compound fracture he had on national TV.
Any basketball fans who missed it can go to CBS sports online and watch the game, or watch it again. On to the next sports season! Any baseball fans? Who are you rooting for?

Tucker's Mom said...


I mean, the kids are in their cribs "sleeping" and she has no monitor to listen in and she goes to get them and they have tipped over a dresser and are standing with broken lamps around them.
Her idea as to how to get six infants out of the house in case of fire was to store a blanket under the crib and Jon would put all the babies in it to carry them out in a Santa like sack. She even admits that this would probably cause them to break some bones, but it would be better than dying in fire.
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I don't think you have to had raised up kids to think about how to remedy these things.
First, get not only a baby monitor, get CCTV in your house! The bedrooms and basement at least, and monitor from a central point, like the kitchen, which Kate claims to be in all the time.
Simple and not expensive at all.
Solved.
Next for a fire, anchor an escape ladder box to the floor below the window and have a plan to safely get everyone out the window to the ground. Replace your windows with tilt-ins that can be snapped out in a seconds.
Simple, easy, and effective.
Secure tall, high center of gravity furniture and devices to the wall.
Get crib covers/tents to prevent climbing in and out.

For everything Kate has written/bitched about, showing how hardish and exhaustingish raising up 8 babies is, I can think of a simple, inexpensive and effective solution.
How other woman and mothers look to her as a paragon of motherhood, and a vaunted matriarch of HOM is beyond me.

Mel said...

I have ALWAYS thought that Kate Majors and Hailey were setups by TLC/Kate. The Kate Majors thing was too weird and out of the blue.

And Jon has always denied being involved with her.

For some reason Kate G was/is hellbent on Jon being seen as a womanizer, hellbent on Jon being seen as having cheated on her.

Well now, why would that be? Hmmmm? Cuz she cheated first? And Robert has proof?

Why is she soooo motivated to get/keep that story out there?

Marie said...

Holy Baloney! I watched the game and went to bed and missed all the hoopla! Did ROL accidentally publish someone's emails? Is Katie pooping in her "unnerwears?" My what a tangled web we weave. I would so hate to be her and I feel so badly for her children. She has lost her damned mind. Jon, I hope you can do something here.

Marie

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