Thursday, December 6, 2012

1940's House: Part 2

The pursuit of happiness in hard times 


Many of the great moments of 1940s House involved watching the Hymers experience the hardships of life in the 1940s while still finding a way to create fun and joy during long days of rations, bomb raids and frightening news of war. The Hymers truly took the experience to heart, and the lessons they learned that continued even after the experience were inspiring.

For fun during "wartime," they took a "holiday at home," by going on a picnic nearby and visiting a local cave. Holidays at home were encouraged by the British government, because traveling far was too dangerous, expensive, and would clog the roads the military needed.

After it was over, Ben and Thomas, the children, talked about creating fun without the T.V. or Playstation, such as creating their own board game or building a treehouse. Granny Lynn writes more handwritten letters, and started shopping more locally. She said she had managed to cut her grocery bill in half. Grandpa Michael restored an old car. Kirstie, a single mom whose husband left her, grew much more independent as a result of the experience. Today's hard economic times are not nearly as bad as what Great Britain endured in the 1940s, but the same lessons of creating lemons out of lemonade still apply.

Part 2 is available on Youtube and for purchase on Amazon.

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TLC stinks said...

Kateplusmy8 @sweetbren66 @pink omg I MUST see @Pink in concert in my lifetime! Me, without my 8 for once...:) I ❤ @Pink lots! Have fun at concert!

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Grifting again.

dotsicle said...

Totally OT, but I know there are animal lovers here who might sympathize.
Our little cat Delilah went to the Rainbow Bridge 2 days ago. She was 13. She died at home, surrounded by her people-family, with her favorite blanket and in her favorite spot. We buried her with her blanket, under a tree in the back yard. The "funeral" was attended by DH, myself, and a friendly neighborhood cat who comes to visit every day.
Delilah will be missed. :o(

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

For the nurse who committed suicide . As very sad and tragic as it is...I do believe she had more issues than we will ever know.

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For what it's worth, according to the Metro which is a British paper I get for free (anyone can), the family is saying this is a total shock and she was totally stable and happy and everything was FINE.

Like I said before, being publicly humiliated like this CAN push a normally stable person over the edge. I guess she could have been keeping some depression well hidden from her own family, but that's looking more and more doubtful.

TLC stinks said...

dotsicle, so sad. Lost my cat over 2 years ago at 13 with bone cancer. I got two brothers a year ago and they are the sweetest. My sympathies.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Starzz I would throw a fit if my school wouldn't let me send in treats just cause it's 9-11. Did it occur to them that your daughter's birth is one of the few HAPPY things about that day, a moment of joy at a milestone in life, a reminder that life does go on and that good kids continue to turn a year older.

Did it occur to them your daughter will have to deal with this anniversary on her bday for the rest of her life and already feels guilty enough and maybe she could be allowed to celebrate for just a moment on that somber day? Good grief, I feel sorry for her.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

P!nk ‏@Pink
I'm wishing everyone a little more tolerance this year in their stocking. For the new year. For Chanukah. Whatever you celebrate. After ...
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1h Kate Gosselin ‏@Kateplusmy8
@Pink I totally agree! Wishing for tolerance for those 'around' me right along with you! Wtg, @Pink :)

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Oh good grief. Way to make a good message about tolerance all about you haha! As if Kate is some long suffering tortured victim. Gimme a break, she leads such a charmed privileged life it's a damn INSULT to suggest otherwise.

By the way Kate you wish you could be half the mother Pink is.

Blowing In The Wind said...

There is no way to see what is in a DM other than your own.

When it's all been said is the strategy to say things that aren't even true? So much for credibility, I guess.

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I know what you mean, Tweet-le. Yesterday the 9-10 hours a day that they supposedly are in school grew by three more hours. Now they're in school 12 hours a day. It's ridiculous.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

She wants to see Pink without the kids "FOR ONCE." Her words, "for once"!

90% of the crap she does is without her kids and just for her! What is this psychopath talking about?

Also this stupid retweet: "Life Tools ‏@LifeTools
Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none.
Retweeted by Kate Gosselin"

Not only are these platitudes trite, but I don't even agree with them half the time. Trust a few? How very sad. What a paranoid way to live life. I would suggest rather: trust MOST unless they give you good reason not to. You'll be much happier in life and have a lot more people around you who are a joy to you and enrich your life. So sad.

readerlady said...

I notice that in the reports of all she did yesterday, attending church wasn't included.

Re 9/11 birthday -- It's a shame your daughter isn't allowed to celebrate her special day, Starz. The first year after 9/11, I can understand the need to use that as a day of rememberance and contemplation and prayers and a public birthday celebration may have been deemed inappropriate (in which case it should have been celebrated on the 10th or the 12th). Life didn't stop on that horrific date, and we should not be expected to forgo all pleasures from now until eternity on that date.
Just an interesting factoid -- John Ritter died on 9/11 (2003). It was his youngest daughter's 5th birthday.

Perhaps the tweeter re the DM issue had additional knowledge? Maybe she knows the person doing the DMing, or maybe that person has complained in the past about KK not answering her DMs unless they pertain to PR issues.

The nurse who committed suicide over the radio DJs prank was from India and article I read said she'd live in the UK for about 9 years. Even if she was a fluent English speaker, she may not have picked up on the nuances of accent/etc. in the bad imitation of the Queen. Hardly her fault. I can understand how something like this might drive someone to suicide. Who knows what kind of harrassment and bullying she was being subjected to privately? It might have been too much to bear. Some of the online comments about her and her role in the call have been brutal.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Why keep bringing the non-credible non-fan tweets here though? They've always done it, it's embarrassing, but nothing we have said has stopped it. Best to just ignore it.

Karen said...

I am a frequent reader, but don't post much. I have to say though...I just looked at the picture of her baking cookies and wow...I do believe you all must be on to something in terms of her being anorexic. Her neck is super thin and her hair looks awful. She looks terribly unhealthy. What kind of message is she sending to her girls??? I just don't get it. She looked just fine a year ago, and now she is wasting away all for what?

Blowing In The Wind said...

kateplusmy8
@MyCrazyLife2 I have 3 ovens and a microwave. If I could do it again, I'd have 2ovens and 2microwaves.. Leftover/reheat pm takes forever :)

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Well, Kate, you remodeled your kitchen. Didn't you think that far ahead? I did, and I have two ovens and two built-in microwaves. It's wonderful! :) snark...

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

. I just can't work up the outrage that some people seem to have against these DJ's. When we were kids we used to make them all the time.

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I'm a prankster from a family of pranksters. I think if it were a prank call to Kate's polo club or to Kate's hairdresser or something asking benign questions about horses or hair I probably would have found it harmless and hysterical. My reaction to this one however was immediately visceral even before she died because of who they called and what they asked.

I think a lot of the outrage was because it was a prank call to a hospital, with sick people, to obtain private medical information. The nurse actually told them about Kate's vomiting and dehydration. It's so personal. Can you imagine you're vomiting and all of a sudden millions of people know intimate details about it? That is awful and degrading.

And, I think there was outrage because they were asking information about a pregnant woman and her child--an unborn baby--whose grandmother died because the press wanted more information and photographs. It seems to me that poor kid of theirs should at least have a few years of privacy before being thrust into the spotlight. The kids is barely 12 weeks gestation and is already being hounded.

The hospital element, and inquiring after a baby barely a blip on the radar who has her whole life in front of her for the press to invade, elevated this from just a funny royal prank to something far beyond human decency.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Speaking of church readerlady where are my choir girls? Is anyone else in Christmas choir again this year??

I know we mentioned before a lot of us sing in choirs. We had our Christmas choir the other day and it was wonderful, maybe the best year yet. New director who really pushed us. I looked out in the audience and saw people really connecting, closing eyes, serene expressions on their faces. It was quite a moment. I didn't think to tweet a picture, sorry. #snark

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Karen agreed. She looks so much better 10 or 15 pounds heavier. No one ever complained she was fat so why she did this to herself I have no idea.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Even if she was a fluent English speaker, she may not have picked up on the nuances of accent/etc. in the bad imitation of the Queen. Hardly her fault.

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Excellent point! When I was traveling with some Australians we were fascinated with each other's accents as it tends to go but we would ask people who didn't speak English if they could tell the difference between us. Most of the time they said we all sounded the same--English.

In Spanish class in college our teacher who was from Spain would complain to us all the time about our accents. We would look at her dumbly not really knowing how to fix it--we couldn't hear what she was hearing.

Just like I wouldn't be able to tell a bad accent that was say, Dutch or Italian.

readerlady said...

Admin -- Something similar to the Ryan Seacrest show thing has already resulted in tragedy. Some TV show (Jenny Jones? I don't remember for sure) had people confessing their secrets. Some guy confessed to being in love with another guy and was shot and killed because of it.

Blowing In The Wind said...

Why keep bringing the non-credible non-fan tweets here though? They've always done it, it's embarrassing, but nothing we have said has stopped it. Best to just ignore it.

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I don't think that was the reason for the initial comment, though. Someone asked if a DM is private, pointing out a tweet from a non-fan who said that Kate doesn't answer Milo's DMs. Tweet-le answered the question, explaining that DMs are private.

You're right. It's embarrassing and makes them look bad, and they should be ignored. When Goody says that the rumor of Jon having the kids 90 percent of the time is false (as supposedly reported on this blog), it would cause some to wonder when and where this was reported on here. I don't recall it ever happening...did it? I know that split custody was discussed, but never anything about Jon having the kids 90 percent of the time.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Nope, no one here has ever claimed the kids are with him 90% of the time.

I think someone popped in to say that Cara and the boys are with him a lot more than the others, which is consistent with Liz's tweets, but I haven't been able to verify that and won't be trying to. I thought Kate told her sheeple to drop this subject, I do recall that.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Adorable pit bull hug from FuzzyNation:

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Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 10
Why keep bringing the non-credible non-fan tweets here though? They've always done it, it's embarrassing, but nothing we have said has stopped it. Best to just ignore it.
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Isn’t that pretty much like ignoring the elephant in the living room when the tweet is an outright, over-the-top exaggeration, to put it kindly? It makes it very easy for Kate to say the non-fans are lying when they ARE.

When someone here asks a question I feel I can answer I like to do that to clear up misconceptions. The non fans say things that make people ask questions. That whole 80-90% custody thing, which grew like the 9 hours on the bus becoming 10, 11… becomes the “rumor” which Kate can easily answer as being not true, then the facts become dimmer and dimmer until they, too, become lies when they’re not.

FYI said...

Kate Gosselin‏@Kateplusmy8
@5un5hine81 ignore, block, move on, repeat.. Having haters usually means you're doing something right:)

If Kate truly believes this, than she is one sad person.

Blowing In The Wind said...

Karen agreed. She looks so much better 10 or 15 pounds heavier. No one ever complained she was fat so why she did this to herself I have no idea.

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With all due respect, admin, the discussion on various sites after her stint on DWTS was about how heavy she was (Tony pushing her around, trying to swing her through his legs)-- her tree trunk body, thick legs and waist, and fat ankles, and I think that's when she started losing weight...after those remarks.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Isn’t that pretty much like ignoring the elephant in the living room when the tweet is an outright, over-the-top exaggeration, to put it kindly? It makes it very easy for Kate to say the non-fans are lying when they ARE.

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But it's not our room, it's over in the twitter house. Why bring over someone else's mess here? If someone says misinformation here that's different, anyone is welcome to clarify it here.

I guess I feel that ignoring it is the better option rather than giving non-credible tweets lot of attention. That's what they want when they tweet outrageous stuff isn't it? Attention?

The thing is, the fans are always going to say we are liars, whatever, who cares. All we can do is make sure this place doesn't participate in that behavior.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


With all due respect, admin, the discussion on various sites after her stint on DWTS was about how heavy she was (Tony pushing her around, trying to swing her through his legs)-- her tree trunk body, thick legs and waist, and fat ankles, and I think that's when she started losing weight...after those remarks.

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I recall boxy and awkward, but I don't recall fat. There's a huge difference. A skinny person can be boxy and awkward. Tony wasn't having trouble lifting her because she was fat, but rather because she couldn't dance. Kirstie Alley is a big girl but she managed it just fine. Of course I usually only read comments here. I hope no one was saying she was outright fat elsewhere.

I suppose Kate could have interpreted those comments as fat.

IDModo said...

I'm in two choirs, our church choir and one that we have started at a seniors' residence near the church.

As I got older my voice got deeper, and for a while I was singing bass; then I quit smoking, and have settled in to being a tenor. Our choir is tiny- 10 at best - and I am the only tenor, but in the residence choir there are two other ladies with the same vocal range, so I'm not so alone.

It's funny when we join other church choirs, as they keep trying to shoo me into the alto section with the other women, where I don't belong.

We are having a rare treat this Christmas Eve. Our choir director's son is a world renowned violinist, and he and his family are home for Christmas and will be forming a string quartet to play with us as we sing.

I love many things about Christmas, but if they took them all away and just left the music and the meaning of the day, I would be satisfied!

OrangeCrusher1 said...

She wishes she had only 2 ovens instead of 3. I have 1 oven and 1 microwave, AND manage to bake dozens of cookies during the holiday season. What a tool?

She wants to go to a concert w/out her 8 FOR ONCE? Suck it Kate, you do almost everything w/out those kids. Remember up close and personal at a comedy club, drinking with Skeevio? Bikini trips, NYC hair fry trips, oh yeah, you really are in need of a FOR ONCE.

Ryan's Roses reminds me why I rarely listen to Ryan Seacrest - that is simply awful. Truly indecent.

Wonder what the queen of exhaustion is doing on her totally child and work free Monday? FOR ONCE.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I can name dozens of celebs right now who don't have a bunch of haters parked on their twitter account. I guess they are doing something wrong? LOL.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Ryan's Roses reminds me why I rarely listen to Ryan Seacrest - that is simply awful. Truly indecent.

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I refuse to listen to him. What's odd is I can find virtually NOTHING on the internet questioning the ethics of this program. Nothing. People think it's funny and entertaining. Usually there are at least some people out there saying wait a minute. Nothing for this one.

I prefer AM radio like the Jon and Ken show. It's still funny without tricking people. They never do prank calls or pretend they aren't who they are. If they have something to say to you, they say it to your face. And guess what, it's a much better show than Seacrest. World's apart. Oh and they even did their own version of a "cruise" by inviting people to go on a trip with them to Ireland. Everything was on the up and up--very detailed web site about it with all the hidden costs listed.

readerlady said...

Admin -- Still here, still singing. We had our annual performance of "The Messiah" a week ago and I'm still recovering, LOL. What a workout that is! So worth it, though. And it's nice to see that people, even young people, still observe the custom of standing during the "Hallelujah Chorus". Our church choir isn't that ambitious. We suffer from the same complaint a lot of church choirs do -- a dearth of male singers. We have 2 tenors and one baritone reliably and a few more who are sporadic. Because I can read music, I sometimes sing the tenor line an octave up if the director asks me to, and one of our altos can do the same for the baritone line, but that doesn't make up for the lack of male voices.

Dotsicle -- so sorry you lost your little Delilah. Our furbabies add so much to our lives. I hope you can find peace and solace in your memories of her.

My dad was fluent in Spanish but he spoke Castillano (sp?) Spanish -- the version they speak in Spain. He had a number of students who were from Latin America. They could usually understand him without difficulty, but he couldn't always understand them.

Tucker's Mom said...

dotsicle said... 2
Totally OT, but I know there are animal lovers here who might sympathize.
Our little cat Delilah went to the Rainbow Bridge 2 days ago
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There are a lot of animal lovers here and I am very sorry for your loss. It seems your cat was so very loved and that's our job to give such tender care until the end.
You're in my thoughts.

Ampersmom said...

dotsicle so sorry about Delilah. I know you will miss her. Sounds like she has a loving family, that will give her all the reasons to be waiting for you on the other side of the rainbow bridge.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Our beloved pets are never off topic here. So sorry for your loss.

Blowing In The Wind said...

Tweet-le - I think admin is saying that we should ignore the untruths that the non-fans come up with because if much to-do is made about it, it seems to take on a life of its own. I do agree with this.

The small stuff (such as Kate was seen picking her nose in public) should go in one ear and out the other. However, I agree with you that when it comes to the "big" stuff, like this custody rumor, that it grows and grows until nobody knows what to believe, and then all Kate has to do is say that it is untrue. At that point, it gives her more credibility than the non-fans, who look ridiculous, and nobody knows the truth about any of it because they are the ones who misstated the facts in the first place.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I should clarify, tweets Kate actually responds to are fair game. But random tweets that no one is engaging with I just don't see the point.

I find it interesting she picked out a tweet about 90% to respond to when there's been hundreds asking about custody she flat out ignored. She probably thought to herself ah-ha, there is one I can reply to without lying! No one ever suggested such a lopsided arrangement for either of them.

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

Admin, with all due respect, I am confused at this point. We discuss a lot of off topic subjects, and with the name of this blog dealing with reality TV and the header being a humongous picture of Kate, Jon and kids, I don’t understand how clearing up misconceptions regarding Kate is not wanted here no matter where the misconception/lie/rumor/speculation originates.

Laurie said...

Admin, of course the family is going to say that she was stable, happy and fine. Why would they say otherwise? She was just heard on the phone call for a brief moment (not even 10 words) when they asked to be put through. One would think that the nurse who gave the actual information would be the one that was "publicly humiliated". I agree that it's a tragedy but I just don't see how this incident would drive someone to suicide. I agree with those that think that there would have to be something else going on in her life to have this push her over the edge. She put a call thorugh. Maybe she thought the call would go through Kate's "people". For some reason it didn't. It was a tradgey and maybe it's part of their culture to feel "shame" over something like this.

FYI said...

"Having haters usually means you're doing something right:)"

She is really delusional. People hate Hitler--does she think he did something right?

If I were Kate, I would wonder why people hate me in the first place. She seems to think having "haters" is a badge to be worn proudly.

I, for one, would wonder why people don't like me, what have I done wrong, what could I do to be more likable?

But to Kate, having haters is a way she can play victim. Something she has learned to do very well. She can blame the "haters" for her dreams not becoming a reality. She has the "It's not me--it's them" mentality. Has she ever reflected on why people "hate" her?

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

Blowing In The Wind said... 34
Tweet-le -

The small stuff (such as Kate was seen picking her nose in public) should go in one ear and out the other. However, I agree with you that when it comes to the "big" stuff, like this custody rumor, that it grows and grows until nobody knows what to believe, and then all Kate has to do is say that it is untrue. At that point, it gives her more credibility than the non-fans, who look ridiculous, and nobody knows the truth about any of it because they are the ones who misstated the facts in the first place.
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In my clumsy way, that's what I'm trying to get across. Wherever the lie originates, it diminishes the real truth and gives Kate the perfect opportunity to call ALL non fans liars.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

See I've heard families all the time admit when something tragic happens that Johnny or Suzy has been really struggling for a long time. This family seems truly shocked.

In contrast, it's incredibly easy for me to see how exposure to millions of people around the world as the person who let the call through is plenty to prompt a suicide even if they never released her name--SHE knew who she was. Remember she is probably a very private person who takes her job protecting her patients very seriously. This is the hospital the royals TRUST, and she probably felt she jeopardized that. In one full swoop she had her privacy stripped and in her view failed at the one thing the medical profession is supposed to guard the most, confidentiality. And, not just anyone's confidentiality, but Kate's. Remember this is Britain, not the U.S. It's a much bigger deal, and she is carrying the grandchild of a woman this country adored. I mean ADORED. This baby is almost like sort of a messiah of sorts when it comes to Diana. Diana's grandchild. Yeah, it's over the top, but it IS how they feel.

Anyone who has a duty of confidentiality in their profession knows how much that becomes part of your very core and how devastating it would be to accidentally violate it. Many of us even raise our right hands and take an oath about it. That is serious to most medical professionals.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Tweet I've always asked that garbage tweets not be posted here. People sometimes don't follow that either ignoring my request or not seeing the request. But not usually. If it's someone Kate is engaging with, like Milo, it's fair game. If it's just a random tweets that are just part of the twitter wars that Kate usually ignores, I'd rather not see it. This is not any different than what I've always asked. Even the 90% thing is sort of a come on--everyone knows that no one ever suggested such a thing, not even close. Does that really need clearing up? Does that really need to be emphasized?

I guess I am really frustrated with giving twitter crap this kind of attention. There is plenty out there to comment on without it.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


If I were Kate, I would wonder why people hate me in the first place. She seems to think having "haters" is a badge to be worn proudly.

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Exactly. Ask yourself why do I attract such hate? Especially when those "haters" have been crystal clear with their issue is with you. We have not been secretive with Kate about WHY. It's not like people have gone around saying I hate Kate but never giving good reasons for it! LOL. She acts like there is this fiery pit of hate for hate's sake and that simply isn't the case. Especially when most of us watched the show as regular viewers first not looking for something to hate just looking for a good program about a nice family. It's much more accurate for Kate to admit she has a significant group of people who strongly disagree with her choices and lifestyle and have explained exactly why they do. If she doesn't agree, fine, but call it what it is.

I even have many of OUR issues with her in list form at the bottom of the blog under "essential reading" and "the 8's exploitation."

Formerly Duped said...

dotsicle said... 2
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RIP Delilah. I'm so sorry for your loss.You gave her a good send-off to the bridge.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Sorry for getting frustrated.....I think the twitter person this came added to my frustration. That MizGoodey person. Anyone who has followed this even for a little bit, knows she has absolutely zero credibility. Isn't she the one who wanted Jon killed in a car accident? I guess the way I see it, it was so outlandish, why even give it the time of day. Now in fairness Kate did reply, making it fair game, but to want to clear up something that everyone knows is false except her, I just don't think is necessary. Sort of like trying to clear up a tweet that the world is flat--it's really not necessary or productive. I hate giving that kind of person attention.

Tucker's Mom said...

My dad was fluent in Spanish but he spoke Castillano (sp?) Spanish -- the version they speak in Spain. He had a number of students who were from Latin America. They could usually understand him without difficulty, but he couldn't always understand them.
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Growing up, my DH lived in Puerto Rico for several years (during school year then back to the States for summer break) due to my FIL's job. He and his siblings learned Spanish and spoke it very well. They are still pretty good and can become conversational quickly.
When we were in Spain, it was like the cat got his tongue. He had a hard time trying to communicate in Spanish and it had never dawned on my the differences in the language from Spain to Latin America etc.
So, great point about this Indian nurse not "getting" that the DJ sounded *nothing* like the Queen to English-speaking persons.

TLC stinks said...

Kate has it backwards: if you are doing something right, you won't have haters. She is delusional.

She can't help but grift. Why can't she just buy a ticket to a concert like everyone else? She's not a TV celebrity any longer. Spoiled.

There were plenty of comments over the years regarding her "thick waist" and "tree trunk legs" so to me she did interpret this as being fat. Still, no excuse for going off the deep end with the dieting and running. She looks worn and rough now with the plastic surgery and receding hair. I think she looked her best when she was on the book tour (probably happy with Steve by her side...she seemed glowing). She has trashed her body trying to look like a stah.

PJ's momma said...

That Pink tweet made me laugh out loud - not only does she never take her kids with her unless someone else is paying for it all, but Pink is not exactly playing into the chaste (not by her choice, haha), Christian mommy. I just bought the new CD and I love it, but it's sort of bipolar, like it was therapy for breaking up with her husband, getting back together, having their baby, and being crazy happy now. It goes from one vulgar song to a very tender one to another vulgar one......I am not criticizing, I think she is insanely talented and I love her, but I'm not marketing myself as Christian super-mommy who does everything for my kids. I hope to see her too, I will be buying my own ticket.

Having haterz = good? OK then.

dotsicle, so sorry for your painful loss.

Tucker's Mom said...

There were plenty of comments over the years regarding her "thick waist" and "tree trunk legs" so to me she did interpret this as being fat.
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I think a lot of those comments were made during DWTS and I thought that it was her wardrobe. They just made her awful costumes that nipped and tucked in all the wrong places.
I also think Kate appeared bigger as compared to some other women, like Pam Anderson, who had been so thin for forever. Pam is just a smaller woman and while Kate is no Amazon, she is not your typical small boned woman in the media.
The thing is, Kate has to embrace this. The scale will NEVER make you a tiny Kristen Chenoweth or Susan Lucci. Just wont happen. What happens is you become a lollipop head with Skeletor hands.
I think most of us here hope Kate gains weight by eating real food and building muscle tissue with some cross and weight training.
What the girls especially are seeing now is very unhealthy for them to model.

Silimom said...

I think Kate is making a Christian reference here. Many times when a Christian is struggling (I've noticed particularly in the evangelical churches), others will tell them that what they are experiencing is resitance from the Devil.

Mostly I've heard it in reference to the negative self talk people tell themselves or when someone is working for a good cause (no, Kate, grifting is not a good cause) and there always seem to be stumbling blocks in your way.

It ties into the whole "spiritual warfare" aspect of Christianity that, IMO, some people take to the extreme, I.e. seeing devils and evi in every thing that happens to you, etc.

gabby2 said...

IMO, all these newbie fans of hers saying they need her advise and want a cookbook and new TV show about KK are paid to post on her twitter. They are trying hard to increase the numbers....all fake.

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

gabby2 said... 50
IMO, all these newbie fans of hers saying they need her advise and want a cookbook and new TV show about KK are paid to post on her twitter. They are trying hard to increase the numbers....all fake.
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That seems to be a rather popular theory. I'm wondering how and where the word would got out to attract people to post on Kate's twitter for money. Where did the new tweeters get the information they'd be paid. Who is paying them?

readerlady said...

Admin -- Kate flat out said she had the kids close to 90% of the time, when she said Jon only sees the kids 4 days a month, and the Khlovers keep parroting that. Four days of a 30 day month is very close to 90%. That may be where the exaggerated 90% claim came from originally.

I never thought KK was fat, or even heavy. In the early days of the show, she was slightly plump -- maybe 10 - 15# overweight. She's on the tall side for a woman and has the hands and feet to go with that height. She's not really heavy boned, but she's not daintily put together, either (although a couple of her daughters appear to be). IMO, the reason she appeared larger is because she held herself and moved so awkwardly. If she learned to stand up straight and move with a bit of grace, that would go a long way to making her appear to be as slender as she thinks she should be. Now, she just looks gaunt and haggard.

Sketchy Gosselin said...

There are very large twitter "farms" out of the country that create fictitious twitter accounts and will get paid by-the-post to post to other twitter accounts. Basically, you can pay for twitter followers and you can also pay to have tweets posted to your account. I wouldn't put it past K8 to do this since she seems desperate and Twitter is all she has left.

PatK said...

If Kate feels she needs a second microwave, why doesn't she just go buy one? She's got plenty of counter space. Unless, of course, it isn't good enough unless it's built-in.

Wonder how soon those free VIP Pink tickets will be on their way to her?

Midnight Madness said...

I'm wondering how and where the word would got out to attract people to post on Kate's twitter for money. Where did the new tweeters get the information they'd be paid.

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Milo. The secret DMs!:)

Midnight Madness said...

Anyone who has followed this even for a little bit, knows she has absolutely zero credibility. Isn't she the one who wanted Jon killed in a car accident?

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Yes. The man-hater. In Robert's book, he printed some of her tweets and referred to her as a lunatic. She has a deeply psychotic hatred of Jon and Liz and has gone off on Jon with some of the most disgusting language imaginable.

Kate certainly does have some crazies who worship her, doesn't she?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

All the more reason to ignore her. Kate is nuts to engage.

Ex Nurse said...

I'm not saying chastise the ones who don't participate. Why not give them a room to go to ...to do whatever they want? watch a movie....study...play games...ect ect...

Why must we give up everything to keep everyone happy? Why do 400 other students have to give up Valentine days...Christmas...Easter.cause 4 or 5 others don't believe in it? Why can't we find a happy medium for everyone? I have no issues with others beliefs..why do I feel like mine is an issue?
My daughter was born on 9-11-95. I was told by her school,not to send in her treats on that day. My daughter HATES her b-day...she hates to tell anyone when her birthday is. I know 9-11 was a tragedy...a very bad day in history...BUT...she was born on that day and for that I celebrate.
There hasn't been a birthday in almost 8 years that goes by...that my daughter dosent say...find peace for the loved ones who died on this day.
I guess I just don't get why we can't be happy for what we have. Or believe in and hope for.
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I don't believe that it is appropriate to celebrate any holidays that are derivative of any religion in public schools. And, I just don't see the value in taking valuable time to celebrate Hallmark Holidays, such as  Halloween and Valentines Day. 

I think that the issue of your daughter's birthday is separate from the holidays. If other children are allowed to observe their birthdays, I can't understand the basis of prohibiting the celebration of her birthday--that does seem discriminatory. If you live in an area that has familiesiplmk that have lost a loved one on that day, then I can understand the logic.

The teachers in my family are always complaining about the constant disruption of their lesson plans for holiday and birthday  celebrations, caused by hyperactive kids on a sugar high from the candy, cupcakes, cookies, dent by parents. The time spent on these activities comes at the very high cost of missing out on learning key skills that they need to succeed.  Many schools have delegated one day of the month to acknowledge all of that month's birthdays and encourage parents to bring healthy snacks. There is also a day designated for the summer birthdays. 

It isn't hard to see why US public schools have academically fallen behind so may countries while childhood diabetes and obesity is rapidly rising. It is a direct result of misplaced priorities.  The home and faith communities are where these kinds of events should be celebrated--not in public schools. JMHO, of course. That would end the constant debate.

I have empathy for your daughter because I shared a birthday with a favorite cousin who died at the age of 17 ( I was 10). I felt very guilty because I always saw my aunt and uncle on my birthday. I wished they could have had some consideration of how hard that made that day, but, as an adult, I realize that they also needed to be with family on that day. I still have dread around my birthday, and it will probably be like that for your daughter. Many of us has adversity in our circumstances--it is what makes us unique. 

My son was married last year on 9/11/11.  They incorporated an  acknowledgement into their ceremony and asked for a minute of silence before the vows were completed. 

Anonymous No 8 count it 8 said...

I just can't work up the outrage that some people seem to have against these DJ's. When we were kids we used to make them all the time.

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"When we were kids" are the operative words here. These DJ's are supposedly adults who ought to be able to see around corners a little bit better. Ask "what if?" Kids are not wired for that yet.

Dwindle said...

dotsicle said... 2
Totally OT, but I know there are animal lovers here who might sympathize.
Our little cat Delilah went to the Rainbow Bridge 2 days ago. She was 13. She died at home, surrounded by her people-family, with her favorite blanket and in her favorite spot. We buried her with her blanket, under a tree in the back yard. The "funeral" was attended by DH, myself, and a friendly neighborhood cat who comes to visit every day.
Delilah will be missed. :o(
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Oh, dotsicle. I am so sorry for the loss of your dear friend. The love you have had for her all these years shines through very clearly in your post. I can only imagine how much you are going to miss her. I hope after so time passes, you find room in your heart and home for another friend, someone may be waiting for you to bring them home.

So glad you told us of your sadness.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I also don't recall me or my friends ever pranking a hospital asking for private medical information about someone repeatedly hounded by the press. Most kid prank calls went something like this: hi there. Do you like farts??? *hang up, hysterical laughter*

Stupid, but harmless. It was the medical information element that took this beyond an innocent prank.

Tucker's Mom said...

"Hello, this is your electric company. Is your refrigerator running?".
"Yes".
"Well go get it!".

Guffaw.

That's what I did as a kid.
The funny thing (well not really!) was that the only numbers we knew and dialed were people who knew us! Duh.

Dwindle said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 40

Anyone who has a duty of confidentiality in their profession knows how much that becomes part of your very core and how devastating it would be to accidentally violate it. Many of us even raise our right hands and take an oath about it. That is serious to most medical professionals.

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She apparently was a woman with ethics and morals and dignity. So after this happened, was she feeling like an incompetent nurse, a fool, and a plain old bad person? Thinking that the whole world would soon be ridiculing her as jeopardizing her patient and her employer, I can sort of comprehend where she would be humiliated beyond words.

In fact, the exact opposite of this Kreider woman who thives on the crap...

Parent In Lancaster County said...

The teachers in my family are always complaining about the constant disruption of their lesson plans for holiday and birthday celebrations, caused by hyperactive kids on a sugar high from the candy, cupcakes, cookies, dent by parents. The time spent on these activities comes at the very high cost of missing out on learning key skills that they need to succeed.

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Halloween celebrations and Valentine's Day festivities are part of the school experience. If schools can't celebrate those days and teachers complain about sugar highs and disruption of schedules, then we, as a nation, have become much too serious. It's only a few days out of an entire school year. Kids need the social times as well as the academic ones. It's all part of growing up.

When I look back on my elementary school years, I remember the Halloween parade through the halls, and even the costume my first-grade classmate wore (I can't remember things that happened yesterday, though!). It's these fond remembrances that are part of our childhood. Making Valentine's Day boxes, decorating them, passing out cards, was also part of that experience. I'm glad that we, as a class, were allowed to do this. Fun times. Many of us grew up to obtain college degrees, pursue professional careers and be successful in spite of the fact that this time disrupted the teacher's lesson plans.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Yes Dwindle exactly. Plus she must have been thinking is this it did I just trash my career? No one will hire a medical professional who blabs. The weight of the mistake must have been tremendous and probably exaggerated in her mind.

fidosmommy said...

I hope Catherine has twins so she can have the
obligatory 2 children and never have to go through this awful medical issue again.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I tend to agree with Parent, these activities are social skills building and good for kids. And holidays can always be turned into a learning experience like learning the history of it. I don't think it serves kids to have then locked to a desk like little soldiers all day. A child's education is about more than quizzes and tests. I really don't think a few celebrations are the reason for schools doing poorly. Lots of top rated schools celebrate various events all year round.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Laura I really don't think we should repost that call. Out of respect.

I couldn't disagree more with your assessment all she said was hold on and put the call through. By putting that call through that was the catalyst that set off everything. It caused the whole thing. I just can't agree there MUST have been more going on with her. Maybe, maybe not. Arguably the person who put it through is more reaponsible than the nurse on the other end who probably assumed it was already vetted because it went through. The pressure and humiliation that nurse felt at putting it through is nothing to downplay.

Laurie said...

Admin, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this. Please swiffer the post if you don't think it should be reposted. Maybe she didn't kill herself at all and we need to get our conspiracy theorists to weigh in.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Fair enough Laurie. Sorry, I called you Laura in the last post. Oops!. I was just sending an email to a friend named Laura!

Julianna said...

Parent, 64, said,

Many of us grew up to obtain college degrees, pursue professional careers and be successful in spite of the fact that this time disrupted the teacher's lesson plans.

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Amen. Exactly. Perhaps we should also forget holiday pageants (music recitals, plays) that are held during the school day in December? Preparations for these take kids away from classroom learning. In the weeks of getting ready for them kids are excited and may not concentrate on their lessons as much as they should.

I taught for many years and I never once complained that holidays disrupted a class schedule or interfered with "learning." A teacher may choose to discuss the historical origins of Halloween, or the imprisonment of Saint Valentine, along with the festivities of the day. I looked forward to those days because it was a break from the routine of class schedules and lesson plans. All work and no play...

I enjoyed the observation of holidays as much as the kids did and I hope I made it a learning experience as well as a social event for them.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Well said Julianna. I didn't know you were a teacher.

Holidays and birthdays can be used as an incentive too. Hey kids lets all finish this math lesson together and get these problems solved correctly and when we're done it's time to celebrate Jimmy's birthday! Kids need to pause for little rewards too just like an adult does. Another life lesson: work hard and reap the rewards.

Bearswife said...

I've debated about weighting in on the prank phone call because I know that I'm going to be in the minority here...I think that the woman who committed suicide must have had some deep underlying issues to do what she apparently did. This was a prank phone call with someone pretending to be the Queen and it was a bad imitation of the Queen to boot. I don't see vilifying the DJ's. Was it stupid? Yes, but all prank calls are stupid. I just can't work up the outrage that some people seem to have against these DJ's. When we were kids we used to make them all the time.
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I agree 100% and have been avoiding weighing in as well, but I will lay my support next to you :)
I just don't see how she was publicly humiliated. I never heard of her being vilified.

Dotsicle, sorry to hear about your kitty, it is such a sad time. But it sounds like a nice ceremony you had for her.

On the subject of pets, here is a follow up article about the dog rescue I volunteer with, I thought some of you might be interested.

http://www.winnipegsun.com/2012/12/08/dog-rescue-thanks-thief-after-flood-of-support

Off to read the rest of the comments.

Because said...

Penny said... 120

Have the Enablers EVER questioned that? Ever wondered why Kate looked those kids in the face and said, "Mommy and daddy will be together forever," when she knew they were going home to separate bedrooms?

Enablers, please tell me WHY that was OKAY? Please. One reason why lying to your kids is "good parenting" and helps them be #WellRounded?

Beuller?
December 9, 2012 1:48 PM

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Basically because we don't believe that Jon and Kate were NOT separated at the time of the vowel renewal.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Kate herself admitted that Because, so you might want to heck up on that! She admitted it was over.

Am I missing something why people think a national news story with YOU front and center isn't humiliating to the vast majority of private people? Even if they dont name you many people know. Put yourself in the nurse's shoes, it's still meh, no big deal? I'm missing something here.

Because said...

butterfly said... 134
Good catch. Stockings hung by the fireplace are NOT a christian/Jesus thing- so why is she doing it? Not that I mind or care if her kids get stockings, I think it is great, but just another example of her inconsistencies. It's a shame, all those cookies and not one to be left on a plate for Santa. Bah Humbug!
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Because even though one is a christian and doesn't tell their kids that there is anyone other than God who knows what they are thinking and sees everything they do, one can still do fun things for their kids at Christmas such as have a tree, hang stockings, give gifts...

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Actually international. Prank call you put through was the top story on CNN for four days straight. I'd want to just enter witness protection, I'd be absolutely humiliated. No amount of it wasn't your fault it's no big deal would comfort me.

Unknown said...

DOTSICLE I am so sorry for your loss. I do think we are all reunited over the bridge in the end. In the meantime, you will probably continue to feel your dear cat around you. RIP Delilah

Because said...


Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 75

Kate herself admitted that Because, so you might want to heck up on that! She admitted it was over.

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No. Kate said they both knew they had changed but she never said they were separated and that they were not trying to make it work.

Also when Kate told the kids that was an earlier episode than when the actual vow ceremony was.

Because said...

Formerly Duped said... 144

Audible Click said... 142
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Has the pilot with Kendra officially bombed? How does this happen- shown to test audiences? No interest by networks?
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That was never confirmed. It was something that came from Robert Hoffman's blog and speculated about on here til it eventually became "truth", and I use that word very loosely.

Anonymous said...

Halloween a Hallmark holiday? Since when? No, Halloween is far older than Hallmark. Mother's Day on the other hand- invented by Hallmark.

This poor nurse who took her life- I do believe this one event could be the sole cause. Some people are very sensitive by nature- and cannot handle any criticism, or harassment, or teasing or attention of any kind. This may have been her. I feel very sad for her family.
Those DJ's and the station were reckless in their behavior and here's why- they didnt have a plan for when the call went through. This means they aren't going over their prank before air time, and strategizing all possible scenarios- risks, etc. We do this in the military, it's called ORM- operational risk management. You look at your plan for all the possible 'wrongs' that could happen, apply any safety measures, and then decide if the mission is worth the risk. They should have had a Plan B, C and even D-F for any number of variables that arise during the prank. The station management should have been enforcing this. This was the worst possible way to learn a lesson.

LaLaLandNoMore said...

Wouldn't any normal person be humiliated to be "front page" news? You notice I used the word "normal". That poor nurse who put the call in re: Kate in England. So sad someone couldn't help her before she killed herself. It's just too sad for her family.

If I was Kate Gosselin, I'd still be in hiding for being fired so publicly by Coupon Cabin. Horrible, just horrible.

Anonymous said...

Because said... 76
butterfly said... 134
Good catch. Stockings hung by the fireplace are NOT a christian/Jesus thing- so why is she doing it? Not that I mind or care if her kids get stockings, I think it is great, but just another example of her inconsistencies. It's a shame, all those cookies and not one to be left on a plate for Santa. Bah Humbug!
December 9, 2012 2:52 PM

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Because even though one is a christian and doesn't tell their kids that there is anyone other than God who knows what they are thinking and sees everything they do, one can still do fun things for their kids at Christmas such as have a tree, hang stockings, give gifts...
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The stockings are hung on the chimney w/care
In hope the ST NICHOLAS will soon be there ;)


Yes, Because, I told my daughter about the god myth and how christians hijacked the December holiday and we, too, still celebrate christmas- most years anyway- with a tree, stockings, yule log (hmmm winder where that comes from) and all.

Merry Christmas!!

Tucker's Mom said...

Those DJ's and the station were reckless in their behavior and here's why- they didnt have a plan for when the call went through. This means they aren't going over their prank before air time, and strategizing all possible scenarios- risks, etc. We do this in the military
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Thank you for your service, first of all.
I don't think that the call was live on air. My understanding is that they captured the call (without knowledge or consent) and *then* ran it past their legal dept. who vetted it and OK'd it.
Ugh, where to begin at the recklessness, if even just for the legalities of airing this call.
The DJs needed a safe word-- an abort plan.
I respect others' opinions that there had to have been underlying psychological issues for this woman to commit suicide. I can see this being triggered by this international incident, but really do have to admit to being taken by surprise at the drastic nature of the nurse's actions given the acute nature of the problem.
When this story first broke, I expected people to get fired.... and then expected to see severe psychological stress from financial stress, perhaps lawsuits and the whole media circus that would have ensued.
Sorry for the rambling... I'm bleary-eyed from making dozens of rugelach this afternoon.
Me and convection baking are just getting to know one another and the road's been bumpy.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

There was a statement from the hospital attorney in Thursdays Metro that they were still deciding what legal action to take. Although word was the hospital was supportive, they may have been seriously considering putting them on leave or firing them just to defuse the situation. Maybe the nurse was just too scared to face what could happen coupled with not being able to take the stress of being the talk of the western world.

Count me in as not wanting to be front page news. I wouldn't care if it were for something good, I don't want it. The sentiment is a common one. Other people are happy to give man on the street quotes or let the paper take a photo at some event. Thats cool. But You have to realize many others though find this humiliating.

Tucker's Mom said...

If I was Kate Gosselin, I'd still be in hiding for being fired so publicly by Coupon Cabin. Horrible, just horrible.
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You know, I've thought that the silver lining to Kate's personality could be that she appears to not have any awareness, so the weight of something this humiliating doesn't seem to register.
As long as she wants to put herself out there, knowing the hate and ridicule that gets directed her way, I guess it's good her sensitivity is so low.

Audible Click said...

Because said... 80
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The only thing she's denied was funding the project herself. You know why? Because in her warped world any publicity is good publicity. Run along now, and don't forget to send Kate a gift card.

Anonymous said...

Tucker's Mom,

A safe word is a great idea! See, something as simple as a safe word to initiate the exit from the prank could avert a tragedy.
I didnt know the call wasnt live, I dont if that makes it worse or not. So many what if's in this story. It's a tough one.

Go Because said...

Audible Click said... 87

Run along now, and don't forget to send Kate a gift card.

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Are you this rude to anyone who expresses a viewpoint that differs from yours in real life, or just on the Internet?

fidosmommy said...

I do not want to come across as racist or anything close to that, but I think I remember learning that some cultures shame is the most horrid punishment there is. In some Asian cultures to disappoint your family is the most shameful of transgressions. Ms. Saldanah may have believed that by patching that phone call through she had shamed herself, her family, her employers, the monarchy and who knows, maybe the deity she worshiped too. And since India is an Asian country, maybe the Oriental belief system extends to them as well. I admittedly know little of their beliefs and customs. My loss.

For some, to goof up is to bring shame.

Remember the stocks in Colonial America? Same idea.


RE: treats at school. The school here encourages children to celebrate their birthdays with treats from home. The teachers know ahead of time (because parents let them know) and put it into the day's activities. They also celebrate all the treat-type holidays. The caveat is that the treats must not be full of sugar, and must have SOME nutritional value to them. For example, Chex Mix and cheddar cheese popcorn are quite popular and are approved snacks.

Penny said...

Basically because we don't believe that Jon and Kate were NOT separated at the time of the vowel renewal.


Thank you for answering.

BTW, my ex husband and I show more love towards each other than Jon in Kate did in that so-called "vowel" renewal, and we publicly hate each other.

Also, when did Kate try to work it out? When she fired the male bodyguard that made her husband uncomfortable? When she kicked her husband out of the bedroom and told him to lie for the cameras or when she refused marriage counseling and wanted only Jon "fixed?"

Just curious, when was she working on the marriage most? In hotel rooms with Steve or whoring it up for cameras and throwing the father of her children under the bus?

Tucker's Mom said...

Ms. Saldanah may have believed that by patching that phone call through she had shamed herself, her family, her employers, the monarchy and who knows, maybe the deity she worshiped too. And since India is an Asian country, maybe the Oriental belief system extends to them as well. I admittedly know little of their beliefs and customs.
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She was Catholic, which leads to a whole other sticky wicket when it comes to suicide. I'm assuming the tenets of the Catholic faith apply foremost here.
Which brings the thought to my mind that perhaps the shame will be felt by her family.
I feel for her kids. Oh my.

fidosmommy said...

Basically because we don't believe that Jon and Kate were NOT separated at the time of the vowel renewal.

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So, by your statement here, you DO believe they were separated at the time of the vow renewal.
Double negatives make a positive statement.

Because said...

Penny said... 91

Basically because we don't believe that Jon and Kate were NOT separated at the time of the vowel renewal.


Thank you for answering.

BTW, my ex husband and I show more love towards each other than Jon in Kate did in that so-called "vowel" renewal, and we publicly hate each other.

Also, when did Kate try to work it out? When she fired the male bodyguard that made her husband uncomfortable? When she kicked her husband out of the bedroom and told him to lie for the cameras or when she refused marriage counseling and wanted only Jon "fixed?"

Just curious, when was she working on the marriage most? In hotel rooms with Steve or whoring it up for cameras and throwing the father of her children under the bus?
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You're welcome. Too bad you can't be civil and not facetious in your questions. Since that is the case, I will only say this:

Fortunately we aren't privy to what went on in private between J & K nor should we. What you or I would do in the situations J & K were in is not the only way or ways to handle those things.

I'm saying that the rumor that they were already separated at the time of the renewal is not fact and we don't know what did or didn't happen during those few months between them telling the kids and the actual event.

I know of couples who try everything including renewal of vows, wonderful vacations, anything they can think of to save their marriage. And they still end up divorcing because one of both do not change themselves but only the places they are at and go to.

I think we should not perpetuate rumors and act like we know things we do not.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Good point fido. We are sort of a fix it, forgive it and forget it society and generally I think that's good. Many people would be able to process this appropriately if it happened to them. But other people don't leave room for error, mistakes aren't okay. Presumably she immigrated to London and was working with the royals in a prestigious hospital. That is quite a rags to riches story that may have brought her family great pride. She may have felt she would be worthless and shame them if it all collapsed as she probably felt it was.

PatK said...

Anyone who believes Kate was working to save that marriage is very delusional. It was always her way or the highway. When Jon wouldn't play her way, it was over. She sure as hell wasn't going to give in and stop the filming, now was she?

Over In Kate's County said...

Butterfly said: Halloween a Hallmark holiday? Since when? No, Halloween is far older than Hallmark. Mother's Day on the other hand- invented by Hallmark.

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I think Mother's Day goes back to the turn of the century. If memory serves me, Hallmark (when they actually started producing cards) came a bit later than that. I could be wrong. I have my eye on the beef veggie stew right now -- too busy to look it up!

PatK said...

"Because" apparently can't post without jabbing. I realize things are slow at the usual haunts, but do you need to bring that attitude here, and expect it NOT to be returned?

Tucker's Mom said...

I know of couples who try everything including renewal of vows, wonderful vacations, anything they can think of to save their marriage. And they still end up divorcing because one of both do not change themselves but only the places they are at and go to.
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Couples do. It's misguided but many times comes from the heart.
In my case, I was sure buying a house would solidify my first marriage...you know, do what "happy, normal" couples do as time and their marriage progress.
Epic fail!
I know Jon has mentioned that he bought a house that he never lived in but I can't recall when their moving into the new house was in relation to filming the vow renewal.
My personal feeling was that it was over way before Hawaii, but you're right, we'll never know. He said, she said and probably one day, the kids will say.

Anonymous said...

Tucker's Mom - The Catechism of the Catholic Church does make allowances. 2282 "Grave phychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship, suffering, or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing suicide." I do not think her family will feel any shame with regard to her faith. Many things changed after Vatican II.

Penny said...

I think we should not perpetuate rumors and act like we know things we do not.


I know what I saw and it was the last episode I watched because of the "fakeness" of the realest reality show ever.

Jon's so-called relatives were hired from central-casting and Mady didn't want to be "maid of honor."

It was awful to watch. A trainwreck. She looked them in their innocent, loving faces and LIED. FOR RATINGS and a nice trip.

I guess she couldn't grab them by their hair and throw them in their beds with the cameras on, so she had to lie.

THAT is when I turned 'against' her. Even Jon rolled his eyes.

You chose to believe Kate tried to save her marriage, I chose to believe what I've seen with my own eyes.

Again, did she try to save the marriage when she was demanding adjoining rooms with Steve?
I'm not following your logic of her trying everything she could to save her marriage. ALL SHE HAD TO DO was get a new bodyguard, preferably female. What was so difficult about that?

Steve came before Jon. Steve came before her marriage. Her children are somewhere below fame, money and things.

Anonymous said...

Over In Kate's County said... 97
Butterfly said: Halloween a Hallmark holiday? Since when? No, Halloween is far older than Hallmark. Mother's Day on the other hand- invented by Hallmark.

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I think Mother's Day goes back to the turn of the century. If memory serves me, Hallmark (when they actually started producing cards) came a bit later than that. I could be wrong. I have my eye on the beef veggie stew right now -- too busy to look it up!
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Really? Now I am curious, too!! I could have sworn it was invented by Hallmark, but maybe that was Grandparents day...hmm... If I was mistaken, I own it.

Twittering And Twattering said...

barbgilmer
@realdonaldtrump @kateplusmy8 See that kate, Mr. Donald tweeted you!!

Sheesh! Now they'll be gushing over that, and Milo will be absolutely giddy about it. The Donald tweeted Kate! Praise be! Kate's probably doing a happy dance. Break out the wine. Let the TRUMPets blare!

Tucker's Mom said...

Flight of the Kiwi said... 100
Tucker's Mom - The Catechism of the Catholic Church does make allowances. 2282 "Grave phychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship, suffering, or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing suicide." I do not think her family will feel any shame with regard to her faith. Many things changed after Vatican II.
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Thank you for quoting that for me. I think that the social stigma can be really hard when people think you could have done something to help the victim, and sometimes family members are ashamed of the perceived mental defect of their relative/mother.
It's not right, but unfortunate for the immediate family.
In the very least, it's awkward to carry it around for the rest of your life.
But yes, it is good that the Church isn't all fire and brimstone, do not pass go, go straight to hell about it anymore.

Anonymous said...

Holy cow, Over in Kate's County, it is older than I thought- Invented in 1908 and commercialized by the 1920's (my, has America always been this way? LOL)
Ok, I own it- wasn't Hallmark, but Anna Jarvis who invented Mother's Day. Now to get on Jeopardy with that tidbit of knowledge :)

Go Because said...

Penny said... 101

You chose to believe Kate tried to save her marriage, I chose to believe what I've seen with my own eyes.

Again, did she try to save the marriage when she was demanding adjoining rooms with Steve?
I'm not following your logic of her trying everything she could to save her marriage. ALL SHE HAD TO DO was get a new bodyguard, preferably female. What was so difficult about that?

Steve came before Jon. Steve came before her marriage. Her children are somewhere below fame, money and things.
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This is pure speculation, plain and simple. Your opinion is no more valid than Because's. There are only two people who know exactly what went down with the marriage, and unless you are one of those two people you should stop claiming to "know" anything.

Winter Wonderland said...

Is "Go Because" the same poster as "Because?"

Tucker's Mom said...

Again, did she try to save the marriage when she was demanding adjoining rooms with Steve?
I'm not following your logic of her trying everything she could to save her marriage. ALL SHE HAD TO DO was get a new bodyguard, preferably female. What was so difficult about that?
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Oh boy, this is a real sticking point with me. I've said for years that Kate should have replaced Steve when she was splashed all over the tabloids with him. Who cares if it's utter rubbish? Jon looked the cuckold and I would NEVER, EVER stand for my husband to be humiliated like that.
As I've said, I'd hire a very large, hirsuit woman named Helga as my "bodyguard". Go ahead, call me gay. Don't care and neither would DH.
We'd get a good laugh. At least he wouldn't be threatened.
At some point, Steve insinuated himself into the Gosselin marriage and gained Kate's ear and trust. I do believe Steve to be more of a "mastermind" than Kate at one point.
Funny how he and his family are never mentioned anymore.

Twittering And Twattering said...

carriede387
@Kateplusmy8 please share your bread cutting tips! My bread looks like a 3 yr old attacked it with a butter knife!

Yesterday we had the poor souls who didn't know that baked goods could be frozen, and now we have one who needs advice on slicing bread.

Are these people for real, or are they just tweeting to get a response from Kate? If you really were this needy, would you admit it? :-)

PatK said...

Winter Wonderland said... 107
Is "Go Because" the same poster as "Because?"

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I think it's more of a double-teaming thing.

Unknown said...

PatK said... 110
Winter Wonderland said... 107
Is "Go Because" the same poster as "Because?"
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I think it's more of a double-teaming thing.
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I agree, PatK. And a poorly done double-teaming at that!

Twittering And Twattering said...

As I've said, I'd hire a very large, hirsuit woman named Helga as my "bodyguard"

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Mine would be Brunhilda and on her head she'd be wearing a Viking helmet with horns. Nobody would mess with her.

readerlady said...

Kate's Country -- You are correct. The first modern Mothers Day was celebrated in the US in 1908. It was "invented" by Anna Jarvis, although Julia Ward Howe (who wrote "The Battle Hymn of the Republic") campaigned to have a Mother's Day for Peace, back in the 1870's/1880's. Ms. Jarvis was successful in getting Mother's Day declared a National day by 1914, but she became discouraged by the commercialization of it later. Hallmark Cards was founded in 1910. Credit to Wikipedia for the info. Sweetest Day, OTOH, is a total invention by Hallmark, et. al.

Which vowels did KK renew? Oh, I know I, I, I!



Tucker's Mom said...

Mine would be Brunhilda and on her head she'd be wearing a Viking helmet with horns. Nobody would mess with her.
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Bwaaaaaaah!
Don't mess with the horns!

Winter Wonderland said...

Winter Wonderland said... 107
Is "Go Because" the same poster as "Because?"

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I think it's more of a double-teaming thing.

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Thanks. I need a drink. Make that a DOUBLE.

Penny said...

I'm thinking more of a Lara Croft type bodyguard for myself .... or Lucy (Ready Scarpetta).

Yes, it's all speculation and I wasn't in that marriage. Tucker's mom knows what I mean. Thank you. Appearances do matter and Kate DIDN"T CARE.

readerlady said...

I meant Kate's County, not Kate's Country. Sorry about that.

Butterfly, you and I posted at the same time. Great minds and all that, LOL.

Winter Wonderland -- One double rumspringa coming right up.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I can't think of anything more disrespectful than keeping someone on payroll your husband said makes them uncomfortable. There are many other bodyguards out there but you're only married to one husband. Unless you're a sister wife of course.

IDModo said...

I agree with Bearswife about the nurse having deeper issues than just the phone call.

Most people in the UK would know that the Queen does not place her own phone calls.An equerry or a secretary would do it and then put it through to the Queen when the ward was reached.

If this nurse was guilty of anything, it was ignorance of the Hospital's protocol. If she was substituting for the switchboard operator, and nobody filled her in, then it's the Hospital's fault/responsibility, and she did nothing to be ashamed of.

This doesn't lessen the fact that her death was a very sad occurrence.

Penny said...

(Ready Scarpetta).
should say, "reading Scarpetta" ...

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

People feel bad for mistakes that were not their fault, their responsibilty, and of which they had nothing to be ashamed of. That's just human nature and how many people are. If someone gets hurt, as Kate was, people feel bad for causing it.

Family member once hit a pedestrian, thankfully only causing their collar bone to break. The child bolted out of nowhere and it was not their fault. They did nothing wrong. Was paying attention, wasn't speeding. Police, parents, everyone assured them they were not at fault and no charges would be filed. But did they feel HORRID for causing another human being hurt? You bet. I'm guessing that's how the nurse felt, horrid, though it wasn't necessarily her fault.

Wowser said...

Hmmmmm...Time put this out today....

http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1946375_1946333_1946321,00.html

I guess her plan is for a show without TLC....Kendra slut swap???

FYI said...

miloandjack
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump ".@Kateplusmy8 Keep up the good work!" Yay...the Donald recognized our Kate! WooHoo :) #HeKnowsClassActs

Donald Trump knows Class Acts? He's not even one himself. He tweeted to wish the NE Patriots good luck in their game tonight

Donald J. Trump‏@realDonaldTrump
Good Luck to Bob Kraft, Tom Brady and Coach Bob Belichick tonight.

Donald can't even get the name of the Patriots head coach right--Donald, his name is BILL not Bob.

Kate's fans will now be all a-twitter(literally) that the mighty Donald tweeted her. I, personally would be embarrassed to be acknowledged by such a tool. But, then it takes one to know one.

soozee said...

I find Blind Items to be fun speculation, what do you ladies think - is this Kate??!!

http://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2012/12/blind-item-1_10.html

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Did he just tweet her for no reason? Donald WHAT work? She was fired! Man he's out of the loop.

aggiemom09121416 said...

Re: Kate and Jon working on marriage

IIRC, Jon sought counseling, Kate was not interested. Dr. Phil somehow got involved, and he was only interested in the couple maintaining their 'brand'.

Kate's past behavior with estranged family and friends indicates her probable behavior concerning marriage counseling.

With Kate, it's her way or the highway.

(family- brother, sister, parents)
(friends-Beth,Ashley, etc)
Kate is also quoted in some magazine saying her only friends left were her publicist, etc.

Wowser said...

Soozee: I don't think Kate would go THAT desperate...I think it's Danielle Staub...she likes the Pole and will teach anyone who she can demonstrate for...she thinks she's quite the sexpot.

aggiemom09121416 said...

soozee said... 124

I find Blind Items to be fun speculation, what do you ladies think - is this Kate??!!

http://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2012/12/blind-item-1_10.html
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Sure sounds like Kate. I hope it is, it's about time she showed her bare bottom. Maybe they can film her taking a bath. Turn about is fair play, right?

FYI said...

Admin-Donald's tweet doesn't show what he was replying to regarding Kate, but remember she retweeted one of his tweets, and then added her own statement.

Kate Gosselin‏@Kateplusmy8
RT @realDonaldTrump People ask me what I do in my free time. The answer--I don't have any. ME EITHER! YAY TO BEING BUSY ALL THE TIME:)

So because someone(Kate) agreed with him, he probably felt that it was worthy of a reply.

soozee said...

Aggiemom: too funny - filming her in the bath...or hey why not the pottie too!

Wowser - you're probably the voice of reason - it would be too delicious to see Kate grasping for fame via porn. She'd have really hit the bottom then...

Unknown said...

EXCEPT.....if you look closely, the response wasn't really Donald Trump...the response doesn't have Caps as the @realDonaldTrump does.
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SOMEONEELSE ‏@catthomas007
@Kateplusmy8 @realdonaldtrump Wow you would be great on Celebrity Apprentice! You have great organizational skills and a winning personality
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7 Dec Kate Gosselin Kate Gosselin ‏@Kateplusmy8
@catthomas007 @realdonaldtrump yay! Thanks for kind words:)

Because said...

Penny said... 101

You chose to believe Kate tried to save her marriage, I chose to believe what I've seen with my own eyes.

Again, did she try to save the marriage when she was demanding adjoining rooms with Steve?
I'm not following your logic of her trying everything she could to save her marriage. ALL SHE HAD TO DO was get a new bodyguard, preferably female. What was so difficult about that?

Steve came before Jon. Steve came before her marriage. Her children are somewhere below fame, money and things.

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You're all over things that you say Kate has done to cause the divorce. What about what Jon did at the same time? How easy could it have been for Kate to try to save the marriage when Jon was always wanting to go out and hit the bars? When Jon was out with college girls and young women instead of at home?

Come on, Jon has just as much culpability in the separation and divorce.

My opinion is that they BOTH were really changing and growing apart and all the stress didn't help. I think Jon thought he was so famous he could do whatever he wanted on his own. I think Kate enjoyed all the perks, was good at the speaking and all and didn't want that to end. I also think Kate thought this was best for their futures.

I think AS IN EVERY DIVORCE each thought they were right. And neither was willing to give. I think Jon lived and lives in the moment and hasn't prepared for the future.

Kate on the other hand is trying to provide for herself and the kids and I truly believe she has a handle on it but that she sees the future as shaky if she doesn't get a really good job.

Anyway, I see them both as wrong in some ways and right in others. I certainly don't think Kate is an angel who has always been a perfect person. No one is and that includes Jon and all of us.

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...



Remona Blue said... 131
EXCEPT.....if you look closely, the response wasn't really Donald Trump...the response doesn't have Caps as the @realDonaldTrump does.
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SOMEONEELSE ‏@catthomas007
@Kateplusmy8 @realdonaldtrump Wow you would be great on Celebrity Apprentice! You have great organizational skills and a winning personality
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7 Dec Kate Gosselin Kate Gosselin ‏@Kateplusmy8
@catthomas007 @realdonaldtrump yay! Thanks for kind words:)
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This is the tweet from Donald Trump to Kate, tweeted 2 hours ag.

It's a verified Twitter account:

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump
.@Kateplusmy8 Keep up the good work!

Wow said...

Starz, nobody will stop you from calling your tree a Christmas Tree. Nobody will round up your family for saying Merry Christmas to people who don't celebrate.

If your kids go to a public school, you have no right to demand that the minority be segretated. If celebrating is THAT important during the school day, you should be sending your kids to a religious school where all the kids will believe the same and this won't be an issue.

Sorry about 9-11 birthday date. I wish this country could take back that date and make it positive. I think maybe she should be able to bring treats the 10th and the 12th. Then again, I like treats.

I was segregated as the only "non-Christian" for many many years in school. Other kids treat you differently and tell you you'll be going to hell.

My family is very religious but insisted I learn about other's beliefs. Nobody learned about mine but assumed I must be a terrorist or that my family was hiding bombs in our garage.

Because we are Muslim.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

In what ways was Jon right, Because?

Penny said...

Ok. It's ALL Jon's fault.
Sorry, I forgot the rules.
The man is ALWAYS to blame. Damn them.

(Pssst, Jon wasn't seen at bars until after he was living over the garage AND Kate was with Steve for many many many months, in hotel rooms).

Because said...

Penny said... 136

Ok. It's ALL Jon's fault.
Sorry, I forgot the rules.
The man is ALWAYS to blame. Damn them.

(Pssst, Jon wasn't seen at bars until after he was living over the garage AND Kate was with Steve for many many many months, in hotel rooms).
December 10, 2012 4:52 PM

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You do not know that that is true!! You don't know if Jon was living over the garage at all. he has been caught in lies ya know.

Seriously? I think we'll have to agree to disagree because while I'm perfectly willing to admit Kate is no angel you seem content to want to canonize Jon.

Dwindle said...

aggiemom09121416 said... 128
soozee said... 124

I find Blind Items to be fun speculation, what do you ladies think - is this Kate??!!

http://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2012/12/blind-item-1_10.html
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Sure sounds like Kate. I hope it is, it's about time she showed her bare bottom. Maybe they can film her taking a bath. Turn about is fair play, right?

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I'd pay money (not much, but some) to see somebody beat her with a wooden spoon until she cowers in time out corner. And then maybe at the end of the day, someone can come at her again, for nightly routine 'disciplining' for infractions she doesnt even remember doing.

How about getting disgusted by her presence and yanking her out of the room by her hair and screeching at her "you're DONE with that salad now!"

Well, I can dream, cant I?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Why is it so important to you that we join the parental alienators, Because?

Do Halle Berry's fans demand the same?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I'd like to see the playboy thing just for the entertainment value of watching the sheeple defend it.

Anonymous said...

Penny said... 136
Ok. It's ALL Jon's fault.
Sorry, I forgot the rules.
The man is ALWAYS to blame. Damn them.

(Pssst, Jon wasn't seen at bars until after he was living over the garage AND Kate was with Steve for many many many months, in hotel rooms).

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Do you have reading comprehension issues? Because in no way, shape or form stated that it was all Jon's fault.

(Pssst...Don't state speculation as fact. You don't know that he was living over the garage at the time he was seen in bars. And aren't you the person who earlier said that "appearances matter?" He gave the appearance that he was cheating on his wife.)

Unknown said...

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said... 133
This is the tweet from Donald Trump to Kate, tweeted 2 hours ag.
It's a verified Twitter account:
Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump
.@Kateplusmy8 Keep up the good work!
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I was looking at the older one, which was a response to KK's rt of something Donald said on his twitter. Thanks for the correction!

Dwindle said...

Wowser said... 122
Hmmmmm...Time put this out today....

http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1946375_1946333_1946321,00.html

I guess her plan is for a show without TLC....Kendra slut swap???

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I am probably reading that wrong, but it looks like it is from 2009, three years ago.

aggiemom09121416 said...

(Pssst...Don't state speculation as fact. You don't know that he was living over the garage at the time he was seen in bars. And aren't you the person who earlier said that "appearances matter?" He gave the appearance that he was cheating on his wife.)
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Actually it IS a fact, it was in the book. Author passed a lie detector test.
Let's hook Kate up to a lie detector test, shall we??

Because said...

aggiemom09121416 said... 144
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Actually it IS a fact, it was in the book. Author passed a lie detector test.
Let's hook Kate up to a lie detector test, shall we??
December 10, 2012 5:07 PM

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OOOOO that makes it an indisputable fact. It was in the book. That doesn't make it fact.

Catherine said...

It may have been at the end of the last thread so it wasn't widely seen, but someone absolutely came on here & said that Jon has Cara, Alexis & the boys more than Kate does, maybe up to 80-90 percent of the time. At the end the person wrote, 'Hi Kate'. Maybe it was deleted, maybe it's on the last post, but I saw it. No doubt. No one's claiming it's true, but it was here.

Because said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 139

Why is it so important to you that we join the parental alienators, Because?

Do Halle Berry's fans demand the same?
December 10, 2012 5:00 PM

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I'm not trying to get you to join anything. While the fact that I don't think Kate is alienating (or parentifying) anyone will probably keep you from having any interest in my reply, I started out just commenting that speculation is not fact and what people think is not the way it is.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Can anyone recommend some Wii games for an 88 year old grandfather? I am a Playstation gal. Yeah....apparently he's into Wii, LOL. I think one of his friends got him hooked. Kids today.

aggiemom09121416 said...

Because said... 145

aggiemom09121416 said... 144
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Actually it IS a fact, it was in the book. Author passed a lie detector test.
Let's hook Kate up to a lie detector test, shall we??
December 10, 2012 5:07 PM

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OOOOO that makes it an indisputable fact. It was in the book. That doesn't make it fact.
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Actually, yes it does. Author's information was proven factual.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Parental alienation doesn't necessarily involve specific comments about parenting. It just involves beating someone down making them two inches tall in the hopes that their children hate them. Talking endlessly, endlessly, endlessly about a few non incidents now going on over THREE years ago falls right into that one, textbook.

Read up on it, you'll be shocked how squarely KAte falls into the obsessed parental alienator definition, the worst kind.

Anonymous said...

aggiemom09121416 said... 149
Because said... 145

aggiemom09121416 said... 144
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Actually it IS a fact, it was in the book. Author passed a lie detector test.
Let's hook Kate up to a lie detector test, shall we??
December 10, 2012 5:07 PM

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OOOOO that makes it an indisputable fact. It was in the book. That doesn't make it fact.
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Actually, yes it does. Author's information was proven factual.

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Actually, no it doesn't. Unless you can provide the list of lie detector questions and demonstrate that he was asked specifically about this particular issue, you cannot claim this as "fact." For all you know, the lie detector test related specifically to the issue of where he obtained Kate's journals.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

While the fact that I don't think Kate is alienating (or parentifying) anyone will probably keep you from having any interest in my reply

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Respectfully, that's just ignorance. Please, read up on parental alienation. She is CLASSIC. I mean just classic.

I can't really have a hard time taking anyone seriously who thinks that vile comments she has made about Jon this year ALONE isn't alienating. Add them all up over the past year and it's just sickening. She is textbook.

Dwindle said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 85

Count me in as not wanting to be front page news. I wouldn't care if it were for something good, I don't want it. The sentiment is a common one. Other people are happy to give man on the street quotes or let the paper take a photo at some event. Thats cool. But You have to realize many others though find this humiliating.

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Me too. If I won a 356 Bazillion Dollar Mego SuperBall Lottery, I would be trying to find a way to claim it without my name and picture being used. Not for fear of crazies, beggars, grifters and my exhusband coming out of the woodwork, but just to NOT be seen, NOT be known, just to be private. I do not want to be known publicly for any reason. Ever.

Anonymous said...

Wow said... 134
Starz, nobody will stop you from calling your tree a Christmas Tree. Nobody will round up your family for saying Merry Christmas to people who don't celebrate.

If your kids go to a public school, you have no right to demand that the minority be segretated. If celebrating is THAT important during the school day, you should be sending your kids to a religious school where all the kids will believe the same and this won't be an issue.

Sorry about 9-11 birthday date. I wish this country could take back that date and make it positive. I think maybe she should be able to bring treats the 10th and the 12th. Then again, I like treats.

I was segregated as the only "non-Christian" for many many years in school. Other kids treat you differently and tell you you'll be going to hell.

My family is very religious but insisted I learn about other's beliefs. Nobody learned about mine but assumed I must be a terrorist or that my family was hiding bombs in our garage.

Because we are Muslim.
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Wow,
I was told, more times than I can count, that I was going to hell, too, but as an atheist I just laugh. So not a threat.
I can tell you that the ONLY group of people who who didnt condemn my beliefs were my Muslim teachers- native Iranians and Afghans. They accepted the fact, weren't phased by it in the least, and 1 asked to explain why but in Persian. I didnt do so well, bit good language lesson, he then went on tell me, in Persian, about why he did believe and told me about the Quran, in Persian. It was a really good day in class. It is nice that opposing beliefs are so tolerated, because the individual is respected.
Well, Happy Holidays to you and your family.
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Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 140
I'd like to see the playboy thing just for the entertainment value of watching the sheeple defend it.
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OMG that would be great- especially from her more conservative fans, LOL

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

You know what's sad, Because, you actually have a few good points about speculation but no one can take you seriously when you come here so angry and vindictive and start throwing the tired old classic insults about Jon from three years ago. I confess I roll my eyes and write you off as a sheeple when you pull that crap. Lots of people here are able to disagree like adults. See our conversation above about the nurse. This is how you discuss something but don't necessarily agree.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Me too. If I won a 356 Bazillion Dollar Mego SuperBall Lottery, I would be trying to find a way to claim it without my name and picture being used.

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Not that I would ever win, but one reason I never, ever play the lottery, never in my life, is because it terrifies me if I DID win I might be in the papers. Yikes, no!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Here are just a few of the classic signs from Ludwig.F. Lowenstein, Ph.D, with specific examples:

"Alienated parents are viewed as being despicable, faulty and deserving of being rejected permanently." Kate saying she didn't understand why Jon should have any rights.

"Female alienators are often angry due to the fact that the alienated individual ahs a new relationship, while she has not." Lashing out at Liz, snide comments about how she can't keep up with Jon's girlfriends.

"The child is owned, controlled, and indoctrinated by the alienating parent. That parent is viewed as all good, all wise, and all powerful by the child who becomes dependent, manipulated by them. There is never questioning that what the parent says or does is always right." Kate is a perfect mother who never acknowledges imperfections. Jon is a big screw up, Kate is perfect. This is the message over and over every time she brings him up.

fidosmommy said...

Scrolling, scrolling, scrolling. Trolls are so tiresome.

Anonymous said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 152

Respectfully, that's just ignorance. Please, read up on parental alienation. She is CLASSIC. I mean just classic.

I can't really have a hard time taking anyone seriously who thinks that vile comments she has made about Jon this year ALONE isn't alienating. Add them all up over the past year and it's just sickening. She is textbook.

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It is not ignorance; it is a difference of opinion. As for reading up on parental alienation, there are plenty of people out there who think it's a load of BS and a great legal strategy for defending abusers. They might just consider your position "ignorant."

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Catherine I remember that but can't remember if me or the staff deleted it and now I can't find it....but I don't think anyone even really responded to that or thought it credible or even worthy of a response. ANd that person didn't say that he had ALL the kids, which was what that fan asked. She specially said Cara and the boys. No one asked Kate to clarify that.

Anonymous wouldn't you just love to write that off thousands of kids being alienated from their fathers and sometimes mothers as just a legal strategy. Shame on you. I've seen it with my own eyes and it's awful. Good for judges recognizing it and for the American Psychiatric Association evaluating whether to make it an official mental disorder in their 2013.

And here is one of Kate's parental alienating tweets:
"me too. The fact that he asked, always is worth my loneliness.I'm happy for them even if it's somehow hard for both me&kids"

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

By the way shows they read awfully carefully here. Even I forgot about that one and can't find it anywhere! For as much as they hate us they sure are paying close attention. *eye roll*

Im beginning to think where would they be without us! LOL.

Anonymous said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 160

Anonymous wouldn't you just love to write that off thousands of kids being alienated from their fathers and sometimes mothers as just a legal strategy. Shame on you. I've seen it with my own eyes and it's awful. Good for judges recognizing it and for the American Psychiatric Association evaluating whether to make it an official mental disorder in their 2013.

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The American Psychiatric Association decided NOT to include it as a mental disorder in the DSM-V. You left that little tidbit out...

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I didn't leave anything out I just hear that news. The fact that they were even considering it though speaks volumes. They're not going to consider something that is bogus. They don't go around considering every tom dick or harry. What YOU conveniently left out is that the American Psychiatry Association still in fact DOES recognize parental alienation as a real thing, they simply don't believe it should be classified as a mental disorder but rather as a family problem, and I quote: "It's a relationship problem – parent-child or parent-parent. Relationship problems per se are not mental disorders." They were highly criticized as caving to political pressures.

Nonetheless acknowledgment that it exists and is real. BAM!

What say you to this tweet? "me too. The fact that he asked, always is worth my loneliness.I'm happy for them even if it's somehow hard for both me&kids"

Parental alienation? If not, surely you believe in nasty bitch syndrome.

Because said...


Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 163
What say you to this tweet? "me too. The fact that he asked, always is worth my loneliness.I'm happy for them even if it's somehow hard for both me&kids"

December 10, 2012 5:43 PM

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The truth

PatK said...

Well, Kate IS one nasty bitch. Along with liar, grifter and a has been D lister.

What a woman!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Oh good god. Do you understand whether or not you believe something to be true, saying negative things like that is detrimental to children and their relationship????????? My God. Ever hear of being a supportive parent when it comes to divorce no matter how much you hate your ex?

What don't you understand about the fact that TRUTH of what Kate is saying as to how much she HATES Jon has absolutely nothing to do with anything when it comes to alienating him???

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I'll say it again, get it through your head. It doesn't matter if your ex is an axe murderer, no parent has a right to alienate them from the children. That is a judge's job, he can handle if it that's what he thinks should be done. In this case, a judge has not cut him off. Therefore, Kate has an OBLIGATION to support and encourage her children's positive relationships with their father, period. Nothing less is acceptable. Same with Jon, he has an obligation to support and encourage his children's relationship with Kate. Period. Concerns should be taken to a judge, quietly in PRIVATE. PERIOD.

Know what I think is the truth? That video of the kids screaming for Jon in the van.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Wow, I do wholeheartedly agree kids shouldn't be segregated, but I don't think anyone should be denied treats on their birthday even if they were born the day the earth ended. It's not her fault she was born on 9-11. We had all kinds of parties at school growing up for various holidays, some I celebrated, some I didn't. Neither one ever upset me--I took part and had a great time . Like I said before, in my experience most kids are open to lots of different things and want to participate. It's the parents who want to exclude them. Maybe a child who takes part in a holiday that is not his own just might grow up to be a very tolerant and sensitive man someday who takes up for others. What a thought!

Anonymous said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 163

What say you to this tweet? "me too. The fact that he asked, always is worth my loneliness.I'm happy for them even if it's somehow hard for both me&kids"

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I don't think she should be saying anything negative about her children's father on Twitter, in interviews, etc. I don't, however, think that the Tweet you cited is necessarily a conscious attempt to alienate her children from their father. Doesn't mean she should have said it, but I see it more as an example of her self-centered, "woe is me" personality than as part of some grand plan to destroy her children's relationship with their father.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


I don't think she should be saying anything negative about her children's father on Twitter, in interviews, etc. I don't, however, think that the Tweet you cited is necessarily a conscious attempt to alienate her children from their father. Doesn't mean she should have said it, but I see it more as an example of her self-centered, "woe is me" personality than as part of some grand plan to destroy her children's relationship with their father.

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This is a very reasonable opinion. I respect that. Thank you for stating it like an adult, although I couldn't disagree more that Kate doesn't have a grand plan to destroy their relationship with Jon. You bet she does. But you don't have to agree.

LoveMyGrandsons said...

Because and Anonymous, I must respectfully disagree with both of you. First of all, Kate has publicly said negative things about JOn many, many times; in magazines and on talk shows. Knowing that this would be public and the children might see or hear of it, this is completely wrong and that's where the parental alienation tag comes in. From personal experience, I know that my mother did this same thing and it does hurt the children.

Second of all, there were 3 authors who talked about Jon living in the apartment above the garage, not just one. Now, I may be mistaken, but I thought Jon mentioned this himself once.

Third, Jon admitted that there was a big issue with Kate travelling the country so frequently with Steve. Because this bothered his so much, as he said, she should have gotten a different bodyguard to alleviate the situation.

Fourth, Kate herself said on the show that her and Jon have different goals now. He said he wanted to stop the show and she clearly said she didn't.

Fifth, Kevin and Jodie, who have proven themselves to be honest people and looking out for the well being of the children, said that Kate made a deal with Jon that after the marriage was over, she wanted him to continue to pretend things were fine, even though they weren't. I believe it was when he started being seen in bars that all of this came out and he basically admitted it, IIRC. Kevin and Jody even testified in the PA state hearings about this issue.

Therefore, I do think that many of these things are true, and Kate did very little to try to save the marriage. To me, from her own interviews, she was more interested in saving the show and the cash cow it had become for her, and her marriage was of little importance.

LoveMyGrandsons said...

I worded my fifth point wrong in my previous post. I did not mean to say that Kevin and Jodie testified to Jon living in the garage and going to bars. What I meant to say was that Kevin and Jodie testified in the hearings about the issues with the show, and how it affected the children.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Suggesting that Kate is just puttering along feeling sorry for herself and OOPS if she happens to say nasty things about Jon oh well, she is a woman who is self-centered, is an incredible abdication of personal responsibility from Kate. The sheeple always say how smart she is--in this sense I agree. She knows EXACTLY what she is doing. She is very calculating and manipulative, always has been. I just can't absolve someone of that much responsibility. If she said one or two things nasty that would be one thing, but it never stops with her. At what point do you own the things you say about your children's father? In my opinion, from day one. I can't stand a society that makes excuses.

Dwindle said...

fidosmommy said... 158
Scrolling, scrolling, scrolling. Trolls are so tiresome.


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I'm with you, fidosmommy. Not to derail the current conversation, but just to see if anyone wants an alternate topic - It looks like I am having 3 or 4 adult houseguests for a week this Christmas. Most of them I gave birth to, and the other one is a-fixin' to marry into the family.

I need food ideas!

There will be lots of coming and going and odd schedules, so i am thinking TA-DA crockpot meals! Stuff I can keep warm and 'the kids' (all in their 30's HAH!) can help themselves.

So one night I will be making Christmas turkey dinner with all the trimmings, but I was thinking of potato soup and home made bread for another meal; rigatoni for another meal; maybe chilli, but not back to back with the rigatoni.

Probably sweet rolls and fruit for breakfast nearly every morning.

And ideas would be welcome.

Anonymous said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 173
Suggesting that Kate is just puttering along feeling sorry for herself and OOPS if she happens to say nasty things about Jon oh well, she is a woman who is self-centered, is an incredible abdication of personal responsibility from Kate.

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I'm not abdicating her of responsibility. She is 100% responsible for anything that she says and any negative consequences to her children that result from her words. I just don't see the same "master plan" that you see.

Twittering And Twattering said...

Twitter discussion on child abuse...

carleneigras
@SchmeckyGirl @kateplusmy8 @argoff2007 Heresay and rags like the National Enquirer. If she was, Jon would have full custody.

carleneigras
@hugiegramma @schmeckygirl @kateplusmy8 I'm a retired teacher. All teachers are mandated reporters for any signs of abuse. There were none.

What? This is a retired teacher saying that there were no signs of abuse on the Gosselins? How in the heck would she possibly know that unless she examined them?

I swear - these sheeple are getting crazier by the tweet.

Then there's Milo...in a class by herself:

miloandjack
@msgoody2shoes21 @Kateplusmy8 Even when kids were filmin...we saw a bare fraction of time N their everyday lives! School activities private!

Slip up much, Milo? We sure did see a BARE fraction...bare butt, potty training...

aggiemom09121416 said...

Dwindle:

Here's my idea.
Invite me, that sounds YUMMY!
:)

LoveMyGrandsons said...

Hi, Dwindle! One of my family's favorite meals in the crock pot is pulled pork tacos. Get a pork shoulder and use the taco seasonings on it. After it's cooked, just shred it and put it back in the crockpot with some taco sauce and the juices. Then have bowls, or a tray, in the fridge with the lettuce, tomatoes, and cheese. Whenever the kids feel like eating, they can grab a tortilla and make it themselves. I usually keep sour cream and guacamole and chips on hand, too.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

If she was, Jon would have full custody.

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Eh, nope. Not necessarily true. Actually, courts usually try to keep kids in the home of both parents and DO the vast majority of the time.

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I'm a retired teacher. All teachers are mandated reporters for any signs of abuse. There were none.
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The fact that a teacher may not have noticed anything worth reporting doesn't mean abuse didn't occur. Not to mention, the kids were toddlers at the time. They weren't IN school. LOL. If I had a dollar for every time a teacher said HOW DID I NOT NOTICE ANYTHING??



LoveMyGrandsons said...

Dwindle, you can also use boneless, skinless chicken breasts. That's what my daughter prefers.

Have wonderful Christmas and enjoy having the kids home for the holidays. How wonderful!

Tucker's Mom said...

Dwindle said... 174
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Chicken Divan is a crowd pleaser. I also adore Country Captain chicken.

Dwindle said...

LoveMyGrandsons said... 178
Hi, Dwindle! One of my family's favorite meals in the crock pot is pulled pork tacos.
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oooo! great idea! I could use chicken, as DD#1 would prefer that. Shredded mexi-chicken in the crock pot... And I have a sectioned tray, with a bottom meant for ice, for the lettuce, tomatos, etc.

Aggie, come on over. I'll save the tiny guest room just for you!

LMG, you mentioning pork made me think of a ham and scalloped potatoes casserole in the crock pot too...

Now I have to start writing this down.

LoveMyGrandsons said...

Ooooh, Dwindle, ham and scalloped potatoes. I'm with Aggie, make room for me!

Dwindle said...

Tucker's Mom said... 181
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yummm, I havent made that in years!

aggiemom09121416 said...

Thanks for the invite!
I'll bring the paper plates.
I have to bring my body guard, is that ok?
#snarkingondwindlemakesmyday

Dmasy said...

Dwindle, have a wonderful time with you "chicks" all around you. Enjoy...do lots of fix ahead and make kitchen cleaning a family event. Good coffee with REAL cream always makes a light breakfast special.

aggiemom09121416 said...

We've been doing Joy's happy dance! Johnny Football won the Heisman!

whoop!

fidosmommy said...

...you seem content to want to canonize Jon.

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Hardly. No canonizations going on here. Merely
the acknowledgment that when compared to Kate, Jon is a better parent. That's the majority opinion here and unless Jon does a major screw up, it will likely remain the majority opinion here. Being "better" is hardly the same thing as "perfect". So don't be looking for St. Jon the Preferred Day to be coming to your local parish anytime soon.

LoveMyGrandsons said...

aggiemom, I don't want us to fight over the spare room at Dwindle's. Therefore, since I'm sure I'm older than you, I claim the bed because of back issues. Okay?

NJGal51 said...
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aggiemom09121416 said...

LovemyGrandsons, the bodyguard and myself. All in one room.
That could be a reality show, right?

Don't worry, LMG...I know you are just jellus of my two matchy matchy necklaces, so I will let you wear one of them. We can be besties!

aggiemom09121416 said...

LoveMyGrandsons said... 189

aggiemom, I don't want us to fight over the spare room at Dwindle's. Therefore, since I'm sure I'm older than you, I claim the bed because of back issues. Okay?
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LOL! Guess I can stay in Dwindle's garage apt with the body guard. I have six kids, ya know...he has to keep them safe. (although the kids won't be anywhere in sight, but I am using Kate-logic)!

LoveMyGrandsons said...

OK, aggiemom, then it's settled. I get the spare room and you and your bodyguard get the apartment over the garage. To make sure you don't get cold, I will give you my blankets. Being menopausal, I don't use them! Lol!

readerlady said...

Dwindle -- Chicken and noodles makes a great crockpot meal, too. You could keep a casserole of mashed potatoes in the oven on warm to serve them over. Add a big bowl of mixed greens and assorted veggies for salads and that makes you another meal or two.

readerlady said...

Oh, Dwindle -- Something else you could do -- Bake up a batch of potatoes and repurpose any left-over chili or shredded chicken as toppings, along with shredded cheese and sour cream and chopped onions (which you'll already have for the tacos). Again, add some salad and there's another meal.

LoveMyGrandsons said...

readerlady, thanks so much for the idea of using potatoes with the left over chile or taco meat. That sounds delicious and I'm going to use that recipe!!

Unknown said...

aggiemom09121416 said... 192
''LOL! Guess I can stay in Dwindle's garage apt with the body guard. I have six kids, ya know...he has to keep them safe. (although the kids won't be anywhere in sight, but I am using Kate-logic)!''
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It took her years to figure it out, but KK has refined her reason for needing the body guard. Lately, she's been saying that because she has 8 kids, SHE needs the body guard to keep HER safe so her eight children have a mother to raise them. It's still a lame reason, but does manage to attempt to explain why he is protecting her and not the children!

Parent In Lancaster County said...

OK, aggiemom, then it's settled. I get the spare room and you and your bodyguard get the apartment over the garage. To make sure you don't get cold, I will give you my blankets. Being menopausal, I don't use them! Lol!

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As always, I'll bring the real rumspringa (if I'm invited), and I really don't care where I sleep since I won't know where I am anyway!

Parent In Lancaster County said...

Why is it that after reading the crockpot meals here, especially pork tacos, ham and potatoes, potato soup, chicken and noodles, that I always have to go and raid the refrigerator? I had no intention of eating this late at night, but gosh, now I am hungry.

I always do the pork and sauerkraut in the crockpot when we all get together, keeping the potatoes warm in another crockpot (or two). I've also grilled hot dogs in advance, put them in a crockpot to keep them warm, sauerkraut in another pot, and chili in another pot (with onions, relish, and whatever hot dog toppings are requested) on the side. Hot dogs stay warm, and family can pick at them when they're hungry).

Parent In Lancaster County said...

rowanstaal
@Kateplusmy8 I love your show and kids they are so cute I want to meet you someday! Retweet please and massage me!

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LOL!! Where? Feet? Neck? Back? All over?

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