Wednesday, May 11, 2011

Jon: I want to 'build a normal life for them when they come off T.V.'

We want that, too, Jon. Keep up the good work, because eventually the gravy train will end and possibly very soon (given the ratings), and when that day comes, you may be the only breath of normalcy they have left.

http://www.hollybaby.com/2011/05/11/jon-gosselin-interview-normal-life-eight-kids-kate-gosselin/

Meanwhile, Steve took Kate to Freeland, PA, today to testify in court in her lawsuit against Creative Energy Options Inc. and therapist Sylvia Lafair, who says Kate still owes her more than $10,000. Kate admits she did in fact meet Lafair in California, and had many conversations with Lafair about Jon, even talking to her up to one and a half hours on the phone. Yet she continues to dispute the bill.

http://standardspeaker.com/news/reality-tv-star-in-freeland-for-hearing-1.1145370

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Administrator said...

I don't get Kate's defense here. Let's assume that everything she testified to is the truth, putting aside Lafair's testimony which sounds quite detailed and credible to me. So Kate admits she talked to Lafair, she even admits she met her in California. So much for the sheeple claiming she wasn't even in LA. Oops, Kate herself says she WAS! She even admits a one and a half hour phone call with her! Who talks to someone that long, a therapist, expecting not to pay them? She admits all these contacts with this therapist, and yet is somehow claiming she is not responsible for the bill because she had her own therapist? If she doesn't want to owe this woman a bill why in the world was she making all these contacts with her? It's not like she was a girlfriend Kate was venting to. She was a therapist with a company who left a vacation in Mexico to go help Kate. I find it downright fantastical to believe the president of a company like his would agree to do any such thing without first discussing payment and expecting to get paid, it's just not credible. Why did Kate think, it was a privilege to go hang out with Kate in LA instead of going on vacation with your own husband in Mexico? Heck the therapist should pay Kate!

And if anyone is wondering, oral contracts can indeed be contracts. Writing is not always required for all contracts. The oral thing should hardly be an issue.

So her defense is oh I hired her for Jon? Guess what honey, it doesn't matter what she was for, it matters that YOU hired her. If you go up to McDonalds and say I'm ordering a cheeseburger for my husband, they still tell you you owe them $4.99. You don't just walk away not paying your bill because it was for your husband! If Kate hired her, she owes the bill no matter who she believes in her pea brain this therapy was really for.

And as I said in the last thread, narcissists don't go to therapy unless they believe it is about the other person. What an arrogant narcissistic tool stomping around saying this was all Jon's fault someone help Jon, he needs therapy I'm just trying to get HIM help. Last I checked, it takes two to split up a marriage. Take some f-ing responsibility for your relationships.

Administrator said...

I think Kate would be in a much better position if her testimony was something like, Jon wanted to hire you, Jon called you, I had nothing to do with this, I don't even know you.

Instead she freely admits all these conversations with this woman, the whole LA thing, etc. But tries to qualify it claiming that Jon wouldn't talk without her. If that's the case why wasn't JON calling?

Who did she think was going to pay this woman, Santa Claus?

Administrator said...

Who thinks we're going to be hearing about testimony just like this again in the future. Only it will be in front of the IRS.

I can just hear it now, I don't owe you taxes my kids do!

A Pink Straight Jacket For Kate said...

But, but, she's Katie Grifter.
Why should she have to pay for any service?
Nothing is her fault, and the world owes it to her.

Kate is special, don't you know.....uh-huh.

Mimi to 3 said...

What a freaking bitch. She hired a therapist to help Jon? In what alternate universe has she been living. On the other hand, this should not shock any of us, it is who she is. Just like the time she claimed, on TV, that when she sends the kids to Jon she gives him instructions on what he should do, you know, just to make it easier for the kids. Righto, Katie. More control issues here. She was still trying to control the situation when she hired this therapist for Jon. I can already hear the bleating from the sheeple.

thankyoufairy said...

I went to the web site for this company and Kate's story just doesn't ring true. If you are concerned about children in a high profile divorce, you find someone who specializes in treating children in divorce, not consultants in organizational and industrial psychology. This looks more to me like a situation of Jon not playing nice in the family business.

h8k8 said...

Moving this over from the previous thread (hope you don't mind, Admin).

The big meeting/therapy session w/Dr. Phil is the same one Jon described as being how to "protect the brand" (he wanted no part of it) and as more of this story comes out it's getting quite interesting.

Kate said she was upset about Jon's behavior and that the marriage was already over by this time, yet she was discussing with Phil and Robin "the best way to handle a divorce involving children while in the public eye"; ie: maintain the "brand". Interesting. Kate just verified what Jon said over a year ago about the Dr. Phil counseling session being about maintaining the "brand" was true. IIRC, Jon also said Dr. Phil wanted this meeting to be televised.

I agree Admin, someone told Dr. Lafair she'd be paid to go to LA and since Jon wasn't mentioned in this suit, who in the heck does Kate think told LaFair she was going to be paid?!?

Kate can't drive herself to court?
WTH was Steve needed for? Certainly NOT crowd control. lol
Her dress, although not street corner short, nor showing too much cleavage, wasn't exactly what I'd consider court testimony apparel. For Kate, though I guess she did pretty well in choosing that dress.

LMAO - "a small crowd of about 15 people" showed up and "...White Haven Police Chief Gary Shupp and students from the Hazleton Area Career Center law enforcement program assisted with parking, expecting a larger crowd." Nope, Kate isn't drawing big crowds anymore.

No matter how she tries to spin this, libel or not, the press she's getting from this suit isn't doing her ANY favors.

quotes from the standardspeaker.com link in Admin's post above.

Batterednotbroken said...

Oh boy, now she's really scaring me! She is like a nightmare you can't wake up from. She truly believes her own lies! I am really, really afraid for those kids now. She is pathological. I think it was Shakespeare who wrote something to the tune of "...by the pricking of my thumbs something wicked this way comes...."
I hope Jon gets full custody of those kids NOW! Something is going to happen when she eventually goes off the deep end.

IDModo said...

This is beginning to make more sense. Dr.Phil was able to advise Kate on how to best maintain the "BRAND", because he was no longer licenced or working as a psychologist at the time.He described himself as an entertainer. He would have been displaying extremely questionable ethics if he had been working as a psychologist when he gave that advice.Yet Kate described him as her counselor.

Meanwhile Sylvia LaFair, who actually had maintained her counselling credentials, was hired by Kate to "Fix Jon." When LaFair stated her professional stance as a Family Therapist, and asked Kate some questions about her childhood, Kate fired her, on the basis that Kate didn't need fixing, it was Jon who was messed up.

I think Kate entered into a contract with LaFair, and she should pay her. What's her problem? The children are footing the bill anyway!

Midnight Madness said...

admin said,

I don't get Kate's defense here.


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I do. Get inside Kate's head (shudder!) for a minute. It's all about freebies. She's gotten them in the past, she's still a grifter, and she'll continue to expect them in the future. Why should she have to pay for anything, including advice from a therapist? That's her defense, as screwed as it is. Don't you know who she is?

LisaNH said...

I had posted this in the previous thread but some weird stuff happened and it never showed up (I think it got lost).

Anyway, my question was, why exactly was Steve needed for the court hearing? Why was he there with Kate?

Another thing I noticed, from the newscast video I saw the reporter stated that there were no paps present but there onlookers lining the street. I saw like 8-10 people there max. LOL. And the courthouse looked like it was in a residential neighborhood and it looked like just a group of neighborhood lookie-loos (sp?).

Just Dwindle Away said...

thankyoufairy said... I went to the web site for this company and Kate's story just doesn't ring true. If you are concerned about children in a high profile divorce, you find someone who specializes in treating children in divorce, not consultants in organizational and industrial psychology. This looks more to me like a situation of Jon not playing nice in the family business.
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Exactly. Jon's 'issues' and 'behavioral changes' were that he wanted his family off that damn show. He was trying to yank her gravy train away, in her eyes and his behavior was BESERK! LOL. But Kate just said "Make him act right and dont talk to ME about my issue, especially my childhood." hmmmm....

And what about the sheeple calling Jon a liar about the Dr Phil stuff? Here we hear it from Kate's own mouth, that he was advising her on how to get a divorce 'in the public eye.'

Sheeple, everything about her is destined to come out. It already is and will continue over the years, and you, all 7 of you, will feel so foolish. But everyone in the world is a liar, except this Katie woman, right? Sheeple, let her children have a normal life - you can offer Kate your undying adoration without these little innocent children as her fashion accessories. Leave the kids alone.

ncgirl said...

It seems she just wanted therapy to make Jon do things the way he had been doing when it suited her. Hollywood Kate had Dr. Phil, and she wanted to keep the brand going. This narcissist had no use for real therapy.

Administrator said...

Isn't it nice when Kate proves her own defenders wrong?

First they said Kate wasn't even in L.A. then they suggested Kate never knew this person, Jon did, and this was just some set-up by Jon to make Kate pay his bills.

Then here comes Kate herself admitting she was in L.A., she sure as heck knew this person, she sure as heck met them in L.A., and she sure as heck had many conversations about her helping Jon. Kate, by her own admission, was right in the fray organizing this all.

I'm not hearing much testimony about Jon being on the other line for this, this is not some backward conspiracy. This is a therapist who had multiple conversations with Kate, formed an oral contract, gave up a vacation with her husband, and wants payment for services.

This is how the world works, Kate. Someone gives services to someone, someone pays for these services. For Kate she is only really understanding the first part of this. We knew eventually her grifting would catch up to her. Here it is folks, it caught up today. Hope the judge does the right thing here.

BerksPa said...

What bothers me about her last tweet is how her 'court date' wasn't important as much as her 'all important bday party prep'.
By her own admission, settling a dispute, paying for services rendered and having to go to court to make it so is not as important is the 'me factor' -- "Look at me, being a good mom, I'm celebrating my kids birthday again but this time in front of cameras and a film crew so all my little 'tweeting friends' can have a looksee at my extensions of me. Whew...I'm so exhausted."

I can't get over how delusional this woman is. It's like watching someone spiral down the drain yet enjoying the ride, not realizing that the drain leads straight to the sewers.

Moose Mania said...

"Looking at Lafair's invoice while sitting in the witness chair next to Feissner's bench, Gosselin said there were never phone calls between herself and Lafair that lasted 3½ to 5½ hours because she doesn't have the time to be on a phone call that long"

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Why didn't Lafair's attorney pull the dates and times of her tweeting every waking moment to show that Kate does have time to be on the phone that long, whether it's talking or tweeting to her tweetie people? Admin, would this have been admissible? Kate opened it up for the opposing side when she said that she didn't have time to be on the phone that long.

gotyournumberKate said...

I don't have much to say because everyone above pretty much said it all. Admin, you nailed it. Kate just couldn't imagine Jon breaking away from her control and thinking for himself. It drove her nuts. She thought he was broken and needed "fixed". Thank goodnees Jon got away from her. I really hope he is as happy as he says he is and eventually gets a bigger place in case any of the kids wants to come live with him.

Administrator said...

Her tweeting would be irrelevant really. But what they SHOULD do is get the phone records.

Usually phone bills log the date and times of calls. Subpoena Kate's phone records from the days that Lafair said they talked to prove it. Or Lafair could just admit her own. Even though it was 2009 I've pulled phone records from further back than that.

Hey, you know all those pics of Kate gabbing away on her iphone? Heck I always assumed she was talking to the "when you hear the tone the fime will be 7 and three quarters" lady. Now we know who she was talking to. Some lady she was grifting therapy off of. And her name was Lafair!

thankyoufairy said...

Dr. Lafair's research seems to revolve around occupational behavior that stems from patterns learned in childhood. This ties into asking Kate about her childhood; she probably asks everyone about their childhood. In fact, the title of the review for her book in Time is "Why Your Co-Workers Act Like Children". More and more I think this is all about Jon wanting to cancel the show and Kate trying desperately to keep the show going. I don't see Jon hiring these consultants but I could see Kate using this group, especially with the way she treated him like a child.

Administrator said...

I know I'm trying to "get" Kate's defense but I guess when I say that I know Kate is a total headcase and cannot be understood by any rational person, but her attorneys are still running the defense here and I'm trying to get her attorneys' approach here.

Kate is trying to say there was no contract here. Then WHY did Lafair cancel a trip to Mexico (sounds romantic actually) and come out to L.A.??? What is Kate's position as to who owes her the money for that trip? She cannot possibly be suggesting that such a huge misunderstanding took place such that LaFair would get on a plane to LA and no one was planning to pay her??? She has to admit someone, somewhere, owes this woman money for her trouble. And yet I don't hear her suggesting this is Jon's bill. That's not her defense at all despite the sheeple saying it. Her defense is, there was no contract.

I just don't get how they explain away why a therapist would get on a plane FOR therapy without a contract.

LaFair's only mistake was not demanding payment first before she even breathed around this sociopath.

AuntieAnn said...

I think Kate opened her own can of worms today by contradicting herself. She came out of that courthouse looking like an indignant brat who got told on and didn't like it. (so she DOES own a decent hemline dress!)

lol @ 15 people showing up to gawk. Not exactly a tough gig for purseboy. He'd better get used to it.

Source Please said...

Meanwhile Sylvia LaFair, who actually had maintained her counselling credentials, was hired by Kate to "Fix Jon." When LaFair stated her professional stance as a Family Therapist...

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My understanding is that she is not a family therapist. Her web site explicitly states that the work done is not therapy. Where is the information about her being licensed to practice family therapy?

Administrator said...

All good therapists ask about childhoods. How can you possibily help someone if you don't have a complete picture of them?

As far as Kate happily tweeting that the party preperations went on as planned, it just speaks to her total la-la land attitude and arrogance. Not only are her bad deeds catching up to her, but she is thumbing her nose acting like she doesn't even begin to take this seriously. Someone has a good case that you owe them ten grand, it's time to get a healthy dose of seriousness about it.

Virginia Pen Mom said...

IDModo said...

So, for herself, Kate hired a therapist who was not actually a therapist, but an entertainer, when her marriage broke down; phony like everything else in this sad story.

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So Phil's not a therapist, but he plays one on TV. And Kate's not a mom, but she plays one on TV. Kate didn't care about repairing the marriage, because she just wanted to play a married couple...on TV. Kate is living in her own little TV Land head. She thinks she's a television character! Jon is the only sane one here.

I agree with everyone else. Kate had only two concerns (1) Fixing Jon. He was broken. He wasn't her little toy husband any more. (2) Ensuring that they could keep the brand--NOT about helping the kids through the divorce. She wasn't worried about hurting the kids, but about hurting the income stream and the celebrity.

barbee said...

geesh, WHAT is her problem? WHY would she feel the necessity to preface her comments about going to court with a statement that she went to 'tell the truth'. Do not most people tell the truth in court? Apparently she doesn't understand the 'tell the truth, the whole truth...' (even if she didn't have to say it at this appearance, she should know about it).

That dress was horribly horriblish. The boobarea looked grossly overinflated and the rest of it kind of hung floppishingly around her body. Please laugh and excuse all my kate-talk gibberish (I really like talking stupid like she does when disgusting her).

It will be the highlight of all time when we hear about an IRS audit (let her explain all the freebies, gifts, trips, and see how far she gets).

Administrator said...

In her bio she says she was a family therapist. This was her background. Now she does sort of this psycho-consulting.

She even told Kate that she really wasn't well suited for this problem but Kate insisted. It sounds like she reluctantly agreed she would do what she could. She certainly was qualified as a Ph.D with her background in family therapy, it's just her focus in her career had shifted slightly since then to being a talking head book writer consultant. Really they needed to find a PRIVATE, non-celebrity, non-book writing Marriage and Family Therapist. And pay them their fees.

Administrator said...

You know even if Kate is completely right, $10,000 is nothing compared to the 250k she gets paid an episode. Why doesn't she just pay it and chaulk it up to a bad miscommunication and a lesson learned? For her own public image, just settle with this woman and move on. How does this benefit the kids to drag up old divorce news??? That's right, it doesn't. Aren't your kids worth ten grand? She just doesn't want ANYONE to touch a dime of the money the kids made for her unless it's her well manicured paws.

She is one of cheapest people I've ever met.

Administrator said...

Kate probably thought by keeping the brand together it WAS helping the kids through the divorce.

After all that's the most important thing in the world, isn't it? Filming the kids and getting freebies and money for it??

Did Kate really think she could buy the children's mental healthy through a divorce?

My God I've never seen such screwed up family values.

Moose Mania said...

Then WHY did Lafair cancel a trip to Mexico (sounds romantic actually) and come out to L.A.???

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Because Lafair's husband is a Lakers fan and Jack invited her and her husband to be his guests courtside, and husband decided that would be more exciting than a trip to Mexico?

I was going to ask about why they didn't submit the phone bills along with her testimony. Shouldn't have Lafair pulled those bills immediately after the calls ended as a record for her own personal files, to prove that she was on the phone that long? She must have known that she needed documentation when she did her bookkeeping and submitted her bill to Kate.

momof3 said...

It sounds like she thought it was just going to be free, probably because she is sucha big star you know. (Insert eye roll) I think Kate thinks that everything she receives should not be paid by her. I am surprised she didn't charge it to TLC. What an idiot. Normall working people who have kids have bills to pay. They don't get$ 22,000 per month in child support plus whatever HER KIDS make from the show. Just shut up and pay the bill. Does she think that the court is going to rule in her favor all the time?

Administrator said...

Maybe LaFair didn't save her phone bills because she was assuming that Kate would be like everybody else in the world and actaully pay her fees. How does Kate know she didn't talk five hours, did she have a stopwatch? LaFair is much more credible as to how long the conversations would be since if you are billing hours, you usually have a program that logs call times, or at least a stopwatch.

Companies often shred things after a few years but you may be able to retrieve them directly through the phone company. Depends on how long they keep their records.

Kate has an iphone, therefore in 2009 her carrier must have been ATT, correct? I know for a fact you could get ATT's bills from 2009 if you sent a subpoena. I think their timeline to keep records is five years. Though she could have called through a landline.

Linda G. said...

Admin, I've wondered the same thing: why not just pay the damn bill? She's not even claiming it's Jon's bill.

gotyournumberKate said...

Admin said...But what they SHOULD do is get the phone records.

I was wondering the same thing. LaFair apparently said she talked to Kate sometimes 3 hours at a time. Wouldn't the phone records prove this?

Also, let's not forget Kate's Tweet weeks ago about this lawsuit. She said something about cleaning up other peoples messes in divorces. She NEVER takes any responsibility for anything. No wonder Jon despises this woman.

Moose Mania said...

"She is one of cheapest people I've ever met."

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admin - I was just typing the very same thing. It's pocket change for her. You just pay it, get it done, and move on. If she loses and has to appeal, she's going to end up paying attorney's fees, losing more time to appear again, as well as putting herself out there for more negative publicity. Just pay the darn bill and next time, get it in writing.

I wonder how many bills Lafair sent to her, only to have Kate ignore them.

Source Please said...

Administrator said...

In her bio she says she was a family therapist. This was her background. Now she does sort of this psycho-consulting.

She even told Kate that she really wasn't well suited for this problem but Kate insisted. It sounds like she reluctantly agreed she would do what she could. She certainly was qualified as a Ph.D with her background in family therapy, it's just her focus in her career had shifted slightly since then to being a talking head book writer consultant. Really they needed to find a PRIVATE, non-celebrity, non-book writing Marriage and Family Therapist. And pay them their fee

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IDModo differentiated between Dr. Phil, who also holds a Ph.D. and Dr. LaFair, indicating that one was currently licensed and one was not. I'm just wondering where she obtained the information about Dr. LaFair's license status.

Moose Mania said...

Companies often shred things after a few years but you may be able to retrieve them directly through the phone company

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I would think that if the bill isn't paid, they wouldn't shred anything. They'd need documentation for cases such as this.

Administrator said...

Saying that you have to "clean up other people's messes" is just about the most arrogant thing you could ever say. It takes all responsibility off yourself, and blames everything on everyone else. Kate really does not see her role in this whatsoever. She thinks she has box seats at a monster truck rally watching everyone else crush cars in her name and she's just sitting there shaking her head at all the sweeping she is going to have to do after.

I assumed when she said "other's messes" she was talking about Jon, and yet if this were Jon, why the hell didn't she say it was Jon's bill in her testimony? Not one mention Jon owes this money. I'll tell you why. Because she knows damn well it's not Jon's bill and her lawyers advised her she would be LIBELING him if she said otherwise.

Someone actually once told a friend of mine, who owns a very successful business, that she always has to clean up his messes--referring to his business. He was extremely offended of course, as was I, given that we both felt she created the mess she was referring to in the first place.

You know what? Even if you're thinking it? Don't say it.

AuntieAnn said...

How does Kate know she didn't talk five hours, did she have a stopwatch?
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She probably put LaFair on hold several times. It would be something she'd do, thinking that the time spent on hold doesn't count. Narcissist.

thankyoufairy said...

I'm one of those Luddites who still uses a landline as a primary phone. I also have an unlimited long distance plan. I get no detailed information on my phone bill, whether I place the call or not. I used to get itemized information on each long distance call, but only for outgoing calls. Someone could call me and talk for hours and I would have no phone record to back it up unless I did something legal to get it from the phone company.

I don't think Kate saw this as counseling. I think she saw it as consulting that didn't work since it didn't fix Jon so she can't wrap her head around paying for it.

On a different note, I worked once for a family business that definitely could have used Creative Energy Options on permanent retainer.

Administrator said...

A friend of mine rear-ended someone a few years back. His mother is well-known. When the other driver realized who he was and that my friend was at fault, he tried to sue him for every penny. As soon as his mother saw where this was going, she got everybody straight to the negotiated table and paid him a settlement. There was only ever one time blurb about it I think maybe on TMZ and it was over.

It's not giving in to blackmail, it's called protecting your CHILD from humiliation and not letting people drag things out and use your name to create huge lawsuits over much ado about nothing.

This is not a big bill, even for therapy. Pay it.

Administrator said...

I suppose Lafair could have been calling from her personal landline or cell, and wasn't as careful about the records, or even she travels a lot for speaking, etc., what if she were calling from a hotel phone? You'd never get the records then, unlikely anyway.

There's lots of ways records can get forgotten, damaged, destroyed, lost, etc. The stories I have about records that disappear.

thankyoufairy said...

I found Sylvia Lafair's LinkedIn profile...not a single thing about family therapy. She may have a degree in clinical psychology, but she is promoting herself as a management consultant. Her listed specialties are "Workplace Relationships, Workplace Conflict, Conflict Resolution, Leadership Development, Executive Coaching and Consulting, Stress related workplace issues, Women in Leadership, Systems' thinking at work,". Her groups and associations include the Society for Human Resources Management (SHRM) and American Society for Training and Development. If this was all about Jon, it wasn't because he was having problems as a husband or a spouse; he was not cooperating as a business partner.

one banana two banana said...

Part sheeple, part your side (and leaning more this way every day). It is getting more and more difficult defending Kates side! I have always agreed on several of the posts here, but my biggest complaint is the instant assumptions without much base, and that goes for both sides. Admin, you keep getting more and more clever. The Wildwest photoshop is priceless!! I simply couldn't stop laughing at the pose you chose for Purseboy.
The reason I wanted to reply was, is it possible at all that this 'book writing' therapist may have flown to LA to try to get some major exposure? You know, free advertising in such a high profile divorce? And now decides to persue payment? Just a thought.
Also, my first thoughts were why doesn't Kate just pay or try to make a settlement of the $10K rather than spend attorney fees (sorry Admin.) and all other fees and the possibility -probability- of making a bigger ass of herself? This woman is driving me crazy with her spinning out control attitude lately. And all of these events that she NEEDS her big strong bad ass bodyguard at make no sense either.
Last comment, and from an older thread, I don't think Kate and Steve are doing the bump-n-grind either. I agree with the posters that said that Kate seems like the type that thinks sex is icky-ish. She deosn't strike me as the mattress-monkey type.

Bet my money on a bob tailed nag said...

Katie hired LaFair to be an Advocate for Jon. Phil (Quickdraw) McGraw was Katie's Advocate. So here's my question. Advocate for what??? Was this just a ruse to screw Jon and say he had representation?

Here's the advocate I hired for you. Now everything is going to be just fine. Trust me.

TLC ship is sinking said...

h8k8 said...Kate said she was upset about Jon's behavior and that the marriage was already over by this time, yet she was discussing with Phil and Robin "the best way to handle a divorce involving children while in the public eye"; ie: maintain the "brand". Interesting. Kate just verified what Jon said over a year ago about the Dr. Phil counseling session being about maintaining the "brand" was true. IIRC, Jon also said Dr. Phil wanted this meeting to be televised.

My 'sediments' exactly!

Kate's testimony proves she wasn't telling the public (including her fans) the truth. Basically, the marriage was over and SHE knew they we're getting a divorce back in March.

So, Jon moved on knowing their marriage was over (even though they had yet to officially file for divorce). This is what started the media frenzy with accusations that Jon cheated on his wife. Technically yes because they were still married on paper but this testimony shows a divorce was in the works.

Then, between March and the season 5 premiere, TLC and Kate started bombarding the tabloid magazines with interviews regarding the Gosselin marriage vilifying Jon as a cheater on a mom with eight kids.

Here's an example from People, dated 5.13.09:
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20278472,00.html

TLC used the Gosselin divorce to their ratings advantage as casual viewers tuned-in to see what would happen to this family that was plastered all over the Internet and magazines.

I never thought the truth would start coming out...especially out of Kate's own mouth.

AuntieAnn said...

Still, if they can't locate the records, Kate said she called her on recommendation from someone. She enlisted her help. Period.
Who has more credibility, a qualified therapist or a burned out reality tv ho who doesn't want to pay her bills? Kate's reputation surely preceded her into that courtroom. I'm sure the judge is aware of who she is, I just hope he isn't starstruck.

Sam said...

Thanks Moose for clearing up "Freeland" for me.
Even though this was a hearing, didn't anyone tell this woman that she should dress conservatively? She really was expecting the pap to show up? Why? She looked as thick as the lawyer next to her in that dress. And why does she insist on wearing heels that she can't walk in? She does walk like she's got a stick up her butt the way she was waddling around.

Molly Hart said...

As a former patient of both psychologists and psychiatrists, I know that I was fully aware that I was obliged to pay for their services (whether received in their office or by phone). Also, I never signed a written contract with any of these doctors; but then I have never had a formal contract with my GP. This is just the way of the world.....you receive a service, you pay for it. Can't see into her mind to know if she is truly this witless or just delusional; but kind of scary to think she is responsible for the formation of eight little minds.

Linda G. said...

Wow, Kate and TLC are even grosser and more exploitative than I previously thought.

Administrator said...

I had some therapy when I was dealing with cutting off my narcissist--the woman drove me to therapy. I only did about six sessions but I also never signed anything. I went in, saw my therapist, and paid the fee.

There are many things we do not sign contracts for, including very expensive things. When you get your hair done do you sign anything? What about when you go out to eat? You don't even typically sign a contract when you rent a hotel room! It's understood you will pay at the end of your stay. I didn't have a contract for at least two of my nanny jobs. It was understood I would work x hours each week and get paid x amount on Friday. I don't understand why Kate thinks she is above what everybody else has to do. Like I said, it would be different if she were denying contact with this woman. But she's not, she's admitting to all kinds of discussions that have a direct bearing on this woman "consulting" to save the marriage.

For the sake of all of life's little agreements, I have faith the judge will make Kate pay up.

As far as paying up, like I said, I agree. If you as a lawyer are not advising your client as to the pros and cons of a trial versus just biting the bullet, paying it, and getting it over with, you are a bad lawyer. In fact most state ethics codes and rules of court COMMAND lawyers to try in good faith to settle a case and avoid trial, you are obligated to under the code. In the interest of avoiding court conjestion for one, but as well because settlement is generally, a good thing.

My two favorite quotes about the law I have posted are at my desk.

One is from the Bible: "Speak up and judge fairly. Defend the rights of the poor and needy."

The other is from someone most lawyers aspire to be like--Abraham Lincoln: "Discourage litigation. Persuade your neighbors to compromise whenever you can. As a peacemaker the lawyer has superior opportunity of being a good man. There will still be business enough.

E-town Neighbor said...

TLC ship said,

Kate's testimony proves she wasn't telling the public (including her fans) the truth. Basically, the marriage was over and SHE knew they we're getting a divorce back in March.

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We knew it here in the fall of 2008. The rumors circulating were based on fairly credible sources. If we knew it, Kate knew it. TLC knew it. The wedding renewal ceremony in August was a farce. It seems like Jon was the last one to know it. From late 2008 through the following spring, TLC and Kate were planning their ratings strategy, and it worked.

Administrator said...

You know why doesn't she just ask the kids if they'd rather just pay up and move on from this and put this behind them? It's their ten grand they would be paying anyway!

TLC ship is sinking said...

Regarding Jon's interview...

I'm glad one of the parents is concerned about the Gosselin kids' welfare, once the show is off the air.

Many of us know that Kate cannot afford her current lifestyle once the show ends, but at least we know Jon has the kids' backs. Jon's already planning for their future because even HE knows that the show will end eventually. I doubt Kate has even thought or planned out what she's going to do once her income stops and how she'll support her kids. She'll probably worry more over how she can continue the spending habits on herself.

I look forward to reading more of Jon's interview.

thankyoufairy said...

I don't believe Kate's version of events, but this whole thing doesn't sound right from either side. I've spent my share of time seeing psychologists and I've never, ever received counseling from anyone without lots of paperwork, including the standard form about agreeing to pay. I don't think either are being especially forthcoming about exactly what was going on here.

For instance, I didn't find any sort of reference to the degree issuing institution on Dr. Lafair's website. I've never seen a legitimate therapist's web site without including the name of the school the therapist attended as well as the year of graduation.

Personally, I think she was hired as a management consultant. I don't think there was any formal "counseling", marriage or otherwise.

Administrator said...

Fairy, I'm sure many places require lots of paperwork. Others don't. I just posted I did therapy without a contract. I may have signed some kind of health form like if I have a heartattack in the therapy session they're not responsible, you know how that goes, but that was no contract for x amount of therapy sessions for x amount of dollars. I could quit at any time, and I suppose I could have walked away from paying the fee after a session was over but then I would be in court like Kate claiming there was no contract--yeah, no thanks.

And it wasn't out of someone's basement, this was legitimate therapy with a licensed therapist in Malibu. I'm really grateful to him for helping me through a bad time. It was great.

E-town Neighbor said...

For the sake of all of life's little agreements, I have faith the judge will make Kate pay up.

*****

Ah, Admin, but this is Pennsylvania, and we know how that turns out. The ball has always been in Kate's court.

Administrator said...

E-town, I don't know about that.

Different court, different county, different judge. Different area of law--this is contract law not family law. Clean slate.

Family law, yes Kate has the momentum and mothers are favored. But this is contract law, mothering has nothing to do with it. It's one woman versus another. Both rather high profile. Kate certainly a lot more, but LaFair isn't small potatoes either. And she is the one with the Phd which sort of balances it out I think.

The judge has to decide was there a contract. There isn't a lot of advantage for Kate here, no strings to pull, no amount of mothering to make herself seem better. Either it was or it wasn't. There's no reason Kate would be favored over LaFair here, like there is in family law court because she's a mother not a father.

Holding out hope!

Gram2my6 said...

Didn't Sylvia Lafair state that she was picked up from the airport in a limousine and her hotel room was provided to her and her husband?

If the provided costs of those PAID expenses were not evidence of a contractual arrangement with Kate Gosselin, I don't know what else they could be.

Did kind, generous Kate just decide to give this professional counselor and her husband a nice free trip for the heck of it? HA!

LaLaLandNoMore said...

This family truly did turn over their lives over to TLC and no doubt Kate was desperate to keep Jon "in check" to protect her brand. When this all ends, and it will, more and more of what most of us have thought to be true will be revealed. Not pretty, folks! Imagine, Dr. Phil an entertainer. Who would have ever thunk? Kate was probably beside herself when Jon wouldn't cooperate and the therapy session with Phil was not filmed. Family memories, don't you know? Sickening, really!

thankyoufairy said...

Admin, I don't doubt you one bit. However, this was recent and post-HIIPA. At the very least, she would have been required to get a signed privacy form if she were acting as a clinical psychologist.

Gimme Gimme said...

So basically Khate is admitting that Jon was a total wreck and tried desperately to hold the family together, that he was blindsided by the divorce and that she did not even break her stride. That Jon's breakdown was a nuisance and she just wanted someone to fix him so she could continue raking in the big money, leaving him with absolutely nothing, depriving the kids of their primary caregiver from birth without batting an eye. Her biggest concern was how to cash in as a single mom with a "full set" without Jon in the way to advocate for the kids. Most people in the million dollar bracket would consider this a drop in the bucket and settle immediately. T

mama mia said...

TLC must have stopped renting the fans, let's review.. barely anyone showed up at her book signings, barely anyone shows up at the airport/courthouse, we never see fans looking at her when purseboy is snapping pictures to sell,she has a low twitter following, viewers are dropping off like flies, hmmmmmmm, could people gasp be tired of Kate no talent Gosselin?

TLC stinks said...

Good points, everyone. In absence of a written contract, an oral contract is valid. Kate is a liar. The writer of the article probably either omitted what was presented into evidence or did include it but was edited out for space. I am confident that LaFair, as a high profile business person, would not have hired an attorney and pursued Kate if she could not back up her claims. Having dealt with therapists, we never signed a contract. Rates are posted. They provide a service, you pay. She admitted she was the one who contacted LaFair. Case over.

And just as I predicted, Steve was with her at court. Bet a million bucks the guy has been with her since their arrival from the Derby on Sunday. Couldn't it be more clear?

Kelly said...

I think just by the fact that Lafairs plane ticket, limo and hotel room were all paid in advance, that implies some form of committment on Kates part. Even Kates acknowledgement that she talked to her for at least 1.5 hours on the phone and after having a physical meeting for some point, Kate decided to cut ties after Lafair wanted to know more about Kates childhood.

that's like going to a restaurant, ordering a bottle of Dom, eating the most expensive thing on the menu and then telling the waiter it didn't taste the way you expected it to and refusing to pay.

I think Kates going to get stuck with half of the bill and Lafair will accept that.

No regrets said...

One of my children is a family therapist. NEVER has she had a written contract. Oral contracts are legal and binding. She tells me this is very common in this field. The only signatures she gets is involving insurance, if they cover the counseling. LaFair said in all her years of practice, she has operated this way, and KATE did not want anything in writing, because of being so "high profile".

Kate admitted to contacting LaFair, admitted to talking to her, no brainer here. It does NOT matter if the contact was to "fix" Jon, SHE admitted to making the contact with LaFair. What a silly thing to say about the 3 or 5 hours on a the phone, "I don't have time to talk that long". Stupid woman. I surely hope LaFair has phone records. But she probably didn't think this "high profile" idiot would stiff her either. I am amazed that her lawyer would approve of such a silly defense. But then lawyers have done many silly things in court.

IDModo said...

Communications mixup. I didn't mean to state that La Fair was PRIMARILY a Family Therapist,but that that was the stance/position she took while talking to Kate. I got that from the article, where La Fair said she didn't do individual therapy but saw all the participants together.This is a typical family therapist's stance and belief.
I am assuming that her licence is current, only because she has not seen the need to go public like McGraw with the fact that she is no longer acting as a psychologist.I am also pretty sure that in order to be the head of a high-powered firm that provides psychological services, among other things, she would need to have a current license.

Missing pieces said...

Dr. LaFair has held a license in PA as a Psychologist since 1974. She's not the person I'd want to see for marriage counseling, but she wasn't "hired" by Kate for that purpose anyway.

I think the reporter messed up this paragraph since it makes no sense: "Lafair said she was called by Gosselin to provide marriage counseling services because she was having trouble with her then-husband, Jon Gosselin. Lafair said she told Kate Gosselin that she didn't perform individual counseling and only provided marriage and family counseling." It says Kate called her for marriage counseling and then says that LaFair told her she provided marriage counseling - HUH?

Whatever they discussed, does it really make a difference what she specializes in if she holds a PHD, is a state licensed Psychologist, and she advised Kate of her specialty and that it made no difference? This was never about saving the marriage anyway; it was about how Jon's "issues" were affecting the Gosselin "brand". I can picture Kate in her dismissive and curt tone, talking w/LaFair on the phone saying she didn't care about the specifics and to just fix "him" and since she has 8, count 'em 8 kids, to hurry!

Was it the Dr. Phil show that paid for the limousine LaFair said picked up her and her husband at the airport plus paid their hotel bill or did Kate (the kids)? If LaFair said these things were paid for - who paid? Someone other than LaFair did! We're missing lots of pieces. Admin, do you think that question would have been asked and answered? And, wouldn't that Q&A show there was a contract obligation that was partially satisfied?

TLC stinks said...

Correct me if I am wrong, but a practioner only needs to provide you a copy of your HIPPA rights and you sign it if you agree to release your information, say for insurance.

Anonymous said...

GotyournumberKate said: She said something about cleaning up other peoples messes in divorces. She NEVER takes any responsibility for anything. No wonder Jon despises this woman.

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Which is why - being a narcissist - she will never change. Kate Gosselin will always, always, always be this way. She will always be right. Nothing will ever be her fault or responsibility. When those kids grow up and have issues relating to their childhoods (and they will have them), it will not be her fault in any way. In fact, she will blame them for their problems. Narcissists have conscience.

No regrets said...

"she would have been required to get a signed privacy form if she were acting as a clinical psychologist."

I am sorry, but this is just not true. HIPAA Security Rule protects ANY conversations between patient and therapist/counselor/psychiatric is BY LAW already protected. This is one site that offers some info. But, I do know a written confidential contract is not needed, nor required. http://www.hhs.gov/ocr/privacy/

No regrets said...

"Missing pieces said...Whatever they discussed, does it really make a difference what she specializes in if she holds a PHD, is a state licensed Psychologist, and she advised Kate of her specialty and that it made no difference? This was never about saving the marriage anyway; it was about how Jon's "issues" were affecting the Gosselin "brand". I can picture Kate in her dismissive and curt tone, talking w/LaFair on the phone saying she didn't care about the specifics and to just fix "him" and since she has 8, count 'em 8 kids, to hurry!"

Well said. And right on point.

That thing that disturbs me is this, whoever is not groveling at Kate's feet, sue her, (LaFair) talk against filming the kids without legal protections (Peterson) or those of us who think the kids should be given privacy are viciously attacked and any credentials they have, are questioned, maligned and generally slandered, libeled or whatever. (I know, a run on paragraph)

LaFair has had a successful business for almost 40 years. She MUST be doing something right, ethical and professional. It is such a shame that these people are so attacked.

She is a Cow said...

I bet behind the scenes, Kate is all over TLC to pay this bill and make this right. I think she probably feels that all of this "counceling" was necessary to keep the show on the air, so probably justifies in her mind that really TLC should pay.

Wasn't it also originally stated that the bill was $20,000 and Jon has already paid his half? Seems he was the one who didn't use Dr. LaFair's services, but still paid his bill.

I can't understand why, with so much going against her in popularity right now, she would want to drag this out.

I hope the judge slaps her with the fee plus two years interest!

Kate you are the head case! You are the one who needs major help and not from the likes of Dr. Phil and Robin. UGH!

Maybe next court date she will twitter before court, so she can have more than 15 onlookers! Ha Ha Ha. Who's to say those weren't just ordinary people going about thier business and not rabid fans trying to get a glimpse of thier queen!

Administrator said...

I didn't see anything in Kate's testimony about how this was free therapy in exchange for a trip and publicity. That's not her defense at all. Her defense is despite ALL THESE CONVERSATIONS SHE ADMITS TO that sound awfully contract-ish to me, no Mr. Judge-man, I swear we never had a contract.

Besides, how does free therapy in exchange for publicity make sense with these facts anyway? Everyone admits they were trying to keep this quiet and hush-hush. You can't get publicity if you're trying to do something in complete confidence.

Sheeple theory debunked again--Kate is in no way suggesting this was Jon's bill. She's denying there ever was a bill, period.

As far as the lawyers' defense being so pathetic....this may be all they have! Sometimes as a lawyer when you have a difficult client refusing to just take a reasonable settlement, you have to go to trial and come up with the best defense you can possibly manage even if it's not great and just hope it doesn't spiral out of control.

Administrator said...

LaFair is a highly qualified professional. She is a Phd and was a practicing Marriage and Family therapist. She does consulting at this moment, and even TOLD KATE, look I am really not the best person for what your needs are. I do A, B, and C, and you want me to do X, Y, and Z.

And yet Kate is the one who insisted it had to be LaFair, claiming this is who Jon wanted. Okay, if Jon wanted her so bad, why wasn't Jon calling??? If she wasn't right for the job Kate never should have called her, and told Jon to handle this himself. Or, when LaFair TOLD HER I'm not the right person for this, she should have said oh okay thanks anyway can you recommend someone? Her whole defense looks like swiss cheese it's so full of holes.

N.E. Psychologist said...

It is not difficult to verify a license these days. If Dr. LaFair wastrained in family therpy she is not practicing outside her area of expertise, even if her current interests have taken her in a somewhat different direction, which is of course what she would post on her website or Linkedin profile. I found Dr. LaFair easily.

http://www.licensepa.state.pa.us/

AuntieAnn said...

Gosselin's attorney, Kimberly Borland of Wilkes-Barre, ...said the suit has brought embarrassment to his client.
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Oh that's rich. Globe-trotting grifter Kate makes an ass of herself everywhere she goes and THIS causes her embarrassment? That's the best her lawyer could come up with? No, Kate's pissed because someone finally called her on one of her many lies. She's not the contract-honorer she said she was. I hope this hearing is the first of many.

Administrator said...

Good so she is licensed currently. I think the fact that LaFair said well yes I do marriage counseling but really I am not the best person for your needs just gives her all the more credibility. She tried to get herself out of this but Kate insisted.

It takes a real professional who isn't worried about ego to admit that they are really not the best person for the job. She didn't care they were celebrities or she would get a free trip or whatever, she still tried to say I am not your woman. But like everything else Kate had to have her way CLAP and had to have it now CLAP. LaFair probably didn't know what hit her.

Also, why would LaFair risk her entire business just to quible with Kate over $10,000? Huh, Kate? If I were a betting person, I would bet on the judge finding the Ph.D. who is putting her practice on the line over this and tried to turn Kate down has the most credibility.

mamaK said...

The trip to LA was backed up with video footage of Jon and Kate out to dinner one night. I think TMZ??? This was during Jon's scandals and the camera crew asked them about the marriage and it was all, we're good. (Mr. Chows maybe? It was somewhere famous) I think Dr. Phil paid for the therapist's trip, and I think Kate thought that Dr. Phil would pay for all of the bill. I think something happened during the meeting to change that and split Kate and Dr. Phil. Otherwise why not testify for Kate saying that its Jon's bill?
And I think that Kate contradicts herself. She says she hired this person to fix Jon's issues, then she says that it was to see how they could divorce in public. If you are getting divorced, why would you want to fix the other person? Unless you were on a reality show about marriage and family I mean.

No regrets said...

"TLC stinks said...
Correct me if I am wrong, but a practioner only needs to provide you a copy of your HIPPA rights and you sign it if you agree to release your information, say for insurance."

Exactly, the signature is for INSURANCE purposes. Period. Not many insurance agencies cover this any longer, sadly.

Administrator said...

This suit is embarrassing? Well pay your darn bills for people who have helped you and then you won't be sued for $10,000.

I don't believe Kate herself is embarrassed. Narcissists don't get embarrassed. Why would they be embarrassed when they are always right?

I wonder if Kate or her camp ever wonder why Kate is always the one people go after. Her money, her morals, etc, are always on the chopping block. Does it make them wonder at any point, when EVERYONE is against us, 90% anyway, gosh gee wilikers, maybe it's us, not them?

Administrator said...

But Kate's not even saying it's Dr. Phill's bill! She's saying there was no contract, period.

It seems to me a much better defense would be to claim this bill does not belong to her or that they had some other arrangement. But to suggest this was not a contract is just laughable. Does she really think some PhD gave up a trip to Mexico and flew out to L.A., what, just to see the Hollywood sign??? How do they explain all the contract-ish conversations???

What a piece of work. Classic case of Kate thinking whatever she says must be so. I am going to say the children love filming and therefore they do. I can say this is not a contract and therefore it must be so. Well say it all you want but it doesn't make a blue sky green.

Welcome to the real world, Kate. Finally. Gosh I hope this judge does the right thing.

Anonymous said...

Administrator said...

Good so she is licensed currently. I think the fact that LaFair said well yes I do marriage counseling but really I am not the best person for your needs just gives her all the more credibility. She tried to get herself out of this but Kate insisted.

*****

I have to disagree here. A true professional would have turned down the job if she didn't think she were the right person for it. Kate doesn't possess magical powers that force people to do things against their will.

Administrator said...

I disagree She disclosed who she was. If Kate still wants to buy her, that's on Kate. She was still licensed it's like hiring a cabinet maker to build you a table.

No regrets said...

"She is a Cow said...Wasn't it also originally stated that the bill was $20,000 and Jon has already paid his half? Seems he was the one who didn't use Dr. LaFair's services, but still paid his bill."

Jon stated and proved with paperwork that HE had counseling that was 20K. The paying half came from blogs/gossip when this case was filed for the 10K. Jon never said anything about paying half.

No regrets said...

"Administrator said...
I disagree She disclosed who she was. If Kate still wants to buy her, that's on Kate. She was still licensed it's like hiring a cabinet maker to build you a table."

Exactly, Dr. LaFair disclosed exactly what she did, which IS being a professional. She could have just accepted. Kate still wanted her. Period.

N.E. Psychologist said...

Confidentiality issues and payment schedules are often covered verbally in the initial intake session for therapy. HIPPA applies to the relase of information for insurance purposes.

No regrets said...

ADMIN, I apologize for my lawyer comment. LOL NOTHING personal. I am sure you understood what I meant.

stupid is said...

I don't know how I can do this with a big whine but "they didn't fix him? Why should I have to pay?"

Administrator said...

Not at all I don't mind lawyer jabs. They're often true!

CS said...

Kate, Pay your bill! Don't you realize that you are going to pay more than $10,000.00 in legal fee's?
Maybe you can search the internet for a coupon!

AuntieAnn said...

The article states that Lafair said she told Gosselin her rates and Gosselin told her she would do whatever it would take.

What probably happened was after Lafair engaged in conversation with Kate, as a seasoned therapist she was savvy enough to see where the real problem lay in the marriage and it wasn't entirely with Jon. The counseling was likely zeroing in on Kate's narcissistic, abusive, domineering personality. Of course Kate wouldn't want that to happen so she put a stop to it.

Kate's trying to put this on Jon because she says he insisted on only seeing Lafair and her husband in CA. Whether or not it was to advocate for him isn't the issue. Kate still agreed to a meeting and Lafair fulfilled her end of the bargain.

Fahnette said...

I'm trying to figure out what the hell is so unacceptable to the Sheeple about Jon wanting his kids to have a normal life. If the Sheeple "love the G8" so much, why not let the kids have their lives back? What is so bad about a parent protecting their kids? He's not trying to "destroy" Kate or anyone else--he's trying to dial back the damage meter on what's already happened.

Are people so fixated on the "Jon bad/Kate FAAAAABULOUS" argument that they forget there are kids who are in genuine emotional pain in the middle of it all?

I don't get it.

Always Skeptical said...

I think Kate has a poor defense, however I have to say, I question charges for 3 1/2-5 1/2 hour long phone conversations. I've never heard of a professional of any kind having phone conversations that lasted that long.

Can a judge rule in La Fair's favor but throw out some of the charges like phone calls?

I'd like to see Kate lose this one because of her flimsy defense, but Kate's always come out smelling like a rose, so I think the decision will be in her favor. If it isn't, she'll appeal. She NEVER loses. She's spiteful enough that she'd spend $20,000 in legal feels to "win." Probably in the hopes of Jon having to pay the bill just as he's getting back on his feet.

Mary said...

Anonymous said:

Kate doesn't possess magical powers that force people to do things against their will.

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Unless it involves her children!

Linda in Central PA said...

From the StandardSpeaker.com (newspaper)

"Gosselin said she originally contacted Lafair after she was recommended by another person to help with Jon's alleged behavioral changes. Kate said she was obtaining help from the McGraws to deal with how Jon's "issues" affected her.
She said Lafair called her a few times to get information on Jon's background because she said Jon wouldn't talk to Lafair. "
*****
It is always about her! She also admits that Jon would not talk to Lafair. Seems simple to me, Kate owes the bill!

Michelle said...

Administrator said .... Take some f-ing responsibility for your relationships.
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Will never happen. In her eyes, she has no fault in the demise of her marriage, demise of her relationship as a sister, demise of her relationship as a daughter, demise of her relationship as a friend (I'm sure there are many other "Beths" in her life), and eventually the demise of her relationship as a mother.

If she wasn't such a horrible person, I'd actually feel sorry for her. Sadly, Kate is only victim of her own personality. Contrary to what she thinks, she hasn't been victimized by Jon, Kevin, Jodi, Beth, her parents, etc., only herself.

If TLC wants to keep making money off her, I would be interested to watch a show where Kate really works on her own personality issues with a therapist. I'd love to see if she could actually improve her relationships and work toward a happier life. A truly happy life on the levels that matter - people, spiritually, self worth. Truly happy does not mean money and Kate just can't get beyond that.

That I'd watch and would truly be rooting for Kate. There is no more meaningful gift she can give those kids than a mentally healthy mother.

Sadly, as many have pointed out, this will never happen with a narcissist. However, if TLC dangled a big enough $$$ carrot in front of her, it may get the ball rolling.

N.E. Psychologist said...

stupid is said... I don't know how I can do this with a big whine but "they didn't fix him? Why should I have to pay?"

This comment NAILS it.

so sick of her said...

I read the article, what a twisted liar, Kate is. Phone records will prove her wrong, video of that show, which was probably half filmed, and other stuff Kate said in interviews and tweeted. Kate has hung herself!

Just Dwindle Away said...

Admin, I have one problem with the doc's testimony. She agreed not to keep written documentation of what she thought were going to be proper sessions?

I can picture Kate demanding that no written notes or records be kept because she is much too important for that, but all professionals know that when providing treatment, you must keep records. I wonder what LaFair's licensing board would say about that.

The lack of medical records or session notes might skew the outcome of this. Unless of course LaFair can argue that she was merely providing Corporate Structuring for the Brand, not counseling.

Jenna Does said...

Yay Jon! He has a good head on his shoulders & wants what is best for his kids. How can that be denied? How can anyone fault him for that? And how the hell can the sheeple STILL think exploitation is the way to go? Kate is in the wrong, PERIOD. Let her go fade away, let the kids have a normal life, out of prying eyes. And for Christs sake sheeple, stop thinking these kids are actors! They are REAL LIFE kids! With real life issues because their mom put them out there for all to see. She is in the wrong, & will be until she steps away from the cameras, but I'll say it again: She won't stop until she is stopped.
~Hippie Chick~

Jenna Does said...

I thought she didn't even want to try therapy? Am I mistaken? Was that another lie she made up? Did she get busted again?

Pam said...

Awwww, come on now y'all.

Kate MUST fight this $10,000 bill.

Do you realize how many tanning sessions and mani/pedis that will set her back if she has to pay?

And for gawd's sake, that's two more months of buying Steve's "services" ( wink wink ).

How in the world would she manage without these things? It's so unfair she would have to go without.




On another note....Gina Neild, you are a phucking fool if you can't see that your husband is and has been Kate's secret lover for a looong time now. That woman cannot function without YOUR man.

Bet my money on a bob tailed nag said...

This is about a crummy daytime TV show. Katie has Phil McGraw and his wife lined up on her side. She's got Jon. He flew out to LA. Then Lafair flys out. They are going to film it. Everybody gets a cut and the Lafair job is free to Kate.

The editing will make Katie look good and Jon look like an idiot. Jon smells a rat and refuses to go through with the ruse. He then correctly surmises that the TLC machine is behind the curtins somewhere and balks big time. He feels totally betrayed and goes over the edge a bit.

BTW, did you see the crowd at the courthouse? I guess the viewing population of "Cheaters" took a hit yesterday.

She is a Cow said...

Kate's Tweet:
@PamatIW @TrippenIn @MiloandJack The emmys for sure. The other is on my 'could care less' list! :) about 14 hours ago

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Any "twitter people" know what Kate is referring to here? Did someone ask her if she would go to the Emmy's again?? Like she has the choice! HA! What is on her "Couldn't Care Less List," besides her 8 kids??

Dulcina said...

She didn't want therapy. She wanted someone to "fix Jon."

Kate's Tweet said...

Kate's Tweet:
@PamatIW @TrippenIn @MiloandJack The emmys for sure. The other is on my 'could care less' list! :) about 14 hours ago

That was in reply to a comment from TrippenIn that Jon did an interview with Rabbi Shmuley around the time Kate did the Emmy appearance. She wanted to know when it was. Kate replied back that she remembered it well and then wrote either Aug or Sep. (Guess remembering it well didn't include which month it was.) Then TrippenIn asked if she meant the Emmys or Jon's interview (which was a stupid question because she herself said they were at the same time) and the above was Kate's reply tweet.

Sam said...

"to watch a show where Kate really works on her own personality issues with a therapist"
Sorry, I could care less about this woman and her issues, if her craziness were to come to light, I think she will lose custody of the children and locked up somewhere in a rubber room. When TLC drops her, she will go out with a big SILENT SPLAT which will be very scary for the kids. When it does happen, I hope Jon and his family and her estranged family keep a very close eye on the situation.

FL Mama said...

She is a Cow said...
Kate's Tweet:
@PamatIW @TrippenIn @MiloandJack The emmys for sure. The other is on my 'could care less' list! :) about 14 hours ago

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Any "twitter people" know what Kate is referring to here? Did someone ask her if she would go to the Emmy's again?? Like she has the choice! HA! What is on her "Couldn't Care Less List," besides her 8 kids??

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Here is the original tweet that prompted that answer from Kate:

Fired Up, do U remember when Kate did the Emmy's. How long ago was that? that was when Jon was on the Rabbi's show

She was commenting on Jon's interview with Rabbi Shmuley.

roxyhelen said...

Admin, I was wondering if you could clear one thing for me since you're a lawyer:
I recently heard of the Charlie Sheen mess(yeah, I hear about things later than they happen lol) and Charlie Sheen is suing WB and CBS for canceling the season 8 because he has a contract for the remaining 8 episodes that were supposed to be filmed. Could Kate do the same? I mean we know she has a contract with TLC until February 2012, if they cancel the show now, can Kate sue to force them to keep producing the show or to pay her for the remaining of the episodes they were going to shoot? Could she win? Can Charlie Sheen win?

Can't wait for the judge's ruling. said...

Did LaFair say those phone calls were each hours long or that they spoke for three hours straight? I took it as a total of time spent on the phone at various times. Hopefully she was clearer in court.

I disagree about Kate paying for a bill that wasn't hers. If it's not hers she shouldn't have to pay for it.

What I don't see is LaFair suing Kate for a bill that isn't hers. She isn't claiming Kate should pay Jon's bill because they were still married at the time. She's claiming Kate called her for services and that some services were rendered that involved billing Kate.

Kate admits she called LaFair and admits that LaFair was called to meet them in California. Kate admits to discussions with LaFair. Even if Kate didn't actually follow through with all of the counseling it seems to me that Kate owes LaFair something.

Even if the judge rules in Kate's favor it does not mean that Jon is responsible for the bill. It just means that LaFair didn't prove she and Kate had an agreement for services.

Troy Chula Vista said...

Cant't wait for. said....

"Even if the judge rules in Kate's favor it does not mean that Jon is responsible for the bill. It just means that LaFair didn't prove she and Kate had an agreement for services."
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OK, if only the sheeple could understand that. If it is ruled for Kate, just wait and see the intensity the sheeple will go to say that Jon was a lier and blah blah blah.... basically reflect as much as possible from Kate while making up nonsense and conspiracy theories.

Laura D. said...

Best of luck to you, Jon. Live long, and prosper. The sheeple will have to find some other lackey to blame Kate's misfortunes on!

stupid is said...

Kudos to Jon.
One interview and the sheeple are saying he's still in love with Kate and can't get over her. I'm not sure where they read that but I guess they know everything, right?

Westbrooke said...

This is the Jon that the Westbrooke Development remembers -- We always said the Jon in the tabloids was not the Jon who lived over here. When he lived here, he was so hard working, attentive to his children (even without cameras rolling) and friendly. I think his assessment of what happened to him is spot on. The children will need him and it sounds like his support system has his back. He has a career, love, family and friends. All the best! Continue living in truth, be well and God Bless!

Anonymous said...

Proud of the man you are Jon Gosselin! Your kids will be very proud of you too as they come to understand the whole picture.

Administrator said...

Jon didn't mention Kate in that whole interview. I think they are confusing Kate as the one still obsessed with him.

prairiemary said...

Ever since I can remember, the stupidsheeple have always said that Jon still misses kate, and wants her back, and how much better looking late is compared to Ellen. Jon would NEVER,EVER take kate back, all she did was use and abuse him! They are the jealous ones now, JON LOOKS SO HOT NOW! And he has his life together, and he is loved by an awesome, beautiful, smart, successful woman, who does not abuse him, or abuse his 8 kids. Sheeple know this, just can't accept it. Stupidsheeple, lover of all rotten things kate. Go Jon!!

stupid is said...

Admin, don't you know? They read between the lines. Jon only did this interview for attention because he's so jellus of Kate and her show.

They actually believe this. They cannot fathom that a father would give up fame and money to protect his children. This doesn't register with them because they truly believe that we'd all do it if given the chance.

anyone else crushing on jon? said...

Jon, best wishes to you. Glad you have found peace and happiness with the lovely, beautiful, kind Ellen. You have always been a great dad and those kids love and need you. I'm so sorry you've been unfairly vilified in the tabloids for what amounts to a few months of partying and dating after your separation. Never understood what the uproar was all about. You've shown great restraint in dealing with the naysayers and Kate. Good for you. Think of the tortoise and the hare; you are that dependable solid tortoise and your kids will thank you for it someday. I always liked you, rooted for you and felt that there was a decent, gentle soul behind that baby face. Good luck!!

silimom said...

I wouldn't say that Kate wasn't discussed in the interview. I think his responses were generally of the "taking the high road" variety.

Here's the link to the full interview from MCAKG: http://preesi.lefora.com/2011/05/13/jons-final-interview-intouchmag/

Administrator said...

No he really didn't discuss Kate. When Kate was brought up he said I can't discuss that. That's what taking the high road really is.

Laurie said...

Jon looks great. I'm glad that at least one of the 8's parents his looking out for their wellfare. God bless and God's speed Jon!

Still looking for a permanent name.... said...

I asked this before but it was in the body of another post and maybe was missed...

ADMIN, as an attorney, could you speak to the issue of kids getting their own legal representation?

An example would be that Susan Sarandon film where the boy hired her with $1 (forgot the name of it, John Grisham book-to-movie).

Specifically and hypothetically, could kids around the age of 10-12 refuse to participate in *work* forced upon them?

Other than the obvious ramifications of retribution at home, could they demand to talk with a judge or lawyer?

I'm not sure where my question is going but it seems that in certain cases (am I dancing around the elephant in the room? LOL) passive behavior such as crossing arms across chest, refusing to speak and turning back to camera doesn't seem to be getting the child's message acrross.

Rufusal to leave their room might work, but what if one parent retained an attorney for the child when the child was in his custody...

Can the other parent just make the child's attorney 'just go away'?

Hope I'm not too obtuse here, but I hate to insert the kids into the dialog here.

From the kids point of view, can they be *forced* to work if they don't want to?

Administrator said...

I'm not sure. A child can have attorney absolutely. But they are probably too young to understand why they would have one for an attorney to be comfortable representing them. An attorney has to be satisfied the child is sophisticated enough to assist them in the representation. 10 year olds? No.

Susantoyota said...

Oh. My. Goodness. Jon is looking good!! The revenge of living well, out of the spotlight with a woman who loves and is supportive of him. Then there's Katie Irene who despite her multiple surgeries and personal handler Steveboy looks and acts like a trainwreck.

All of the comments on the interview page are positive except for the very first two at the bottom which are verbatim retweets? of Kate's first two tweets this morning complete with her picture. Hmmmm. Did anyone else notice the comments about doing her own legalwork if you want it done right? Does this mean the judge already ruled against her in the lawsuit over the therapy bill? If it did and she's planning on representing herself in an appeal, I'd be willing to take a trip to Pennsylvania to watch that hearing. Your Homor, we are here today because the first judge didn't know how to help me!! It's not fair!! This is all Jon's fault/Ms. LaFair's fault because she didn't fix him!!Snark!!

A Pink Straight Jacket For Kate said...

Congratulations to Jon for turning his life around, and finally getting his life back.
I'm praying for the same to happen to his kids.

PJ's momma said...

I just found out that my friend who I volunteered with for years died suddenly today. He was truly a selfless man; retired and devoted to serving his community. He will be missed by many, many people. It puts this greedy, grifting, selfish, rude, disrespectful anomaly called Kate in perspective for me. I need to focus on on the good in life and stop caring what this witch does. She gets away with everything.......EVERYTHING.......and never has to pay the piper, save for having nobody in her life (which would be torture for me). May she go down in public flames, what she seems to prefer, hopefully sooner than later. And God help those little children when she does. They will need their dad more than ever before.

Gimme Gimme said...

Jon looks great and I miss him on TV. One could never forget the way the kids would light up when he came in and he took such good care of them. Will never forget him talking about conditioner for the girls' hair and how much he used, etc. There was never any doubt that he was the primary caregiver to those kids and it is just a travesty that it turned out the way it did when greed reared its ugly head.

fidosmommy said...

Jon says he wants the kids to be happy. Kate says the kids ARE happy. Hmmmmm. I'm going with Jon on this one. "Happy" is a whole lot more than momentary delight at a new toy or a
new place to visit.

Kate tries to make them happy (with her!) by providing them with things. Jon makes sure they are joyful to the core with life because they are his heart. I've believed that since the show began.

gotyournumberKate said...

I think I'm a pretty good judge of character and I have always thought Jon was the better parent. All the way back from the beginning of thier shows I could just tell the kids related to Jon so much more than they did Kate. He could genuinely feel their pain and feelings. He is so much more down to earth than Kate. He got caught up in the fame and money for awhile but came back to his senses. Kate never did and never will. She will only get worse. I don't wish divorce on any child but I honestly think the kids are better off being able to have time spent with Jon without Kate around to ruin all of their fun. I think in the long run Jon will come out the winner. He already is. Keep up the good work Jon!

TLC ship is sinking said...

silimom said...I wouldn't say that Kate wasn't discussed in the interview. I think his responses were generally of the "taking the high road" variety.

Here's the link to the full interview from MCAKG:
http://preesi.lefora.com/2011/05/13/jons-final-interview-intouchmag/


Thanks for the link, and I completely agree that this is taking the high road.

I'm so glad to hear Jon has the kids' backs, thinking about their future and how to support them when they're finally off tv. It's good to know the kids have one parent who wants them to have as normal a childhood as possible at this point.

The kids will need a parent with a good head on his shoulders since I fear Kate will be in meltdown mode when the show is finally over. She'll probably be more concerned about how to support her current lifestyle and spending habits on herself than worrying about supporting her kids. She'd sacrifice her kids' necessities rather than her own to trim the budget. She's already doing this i.e. gymnastics, but she managed to attend the Kentucky Derby and a vacation with her girl sextuplets.

Jenna Does said...

Jon, AS THEIR FATHER, has every right to those kids as Kate. How a judge cannot see that is beyond me. Why Kate keeps getting a pass to film these kids & turn their private lives into a circus is beyond me. How the sheeple keep blaming Jon for everything is insane. I said this in another post but I know blogger was having issues. Those kids are real-life children, NOT actors. They are going through real-life dilemmas in front of the cameras. They are exhausted FOR REAL, cranky, FOR REAL, it is not pretend. Kate is a bitch FOR REAL. Yeah, maybe they add some drama, like Kate's sky jump which I only watched 15 seconds of in a clip, but wake up sheeple. Would you honestly put your own kids through years & years of filming, divorce played out in public, slamming your ex in front of a nation wide audience (and your kids) & be a horrible mother for a show? For nothing? Kate is now a nothing. It was all for naught. All for naught. She effed up her life for nothing. Good for Jon for keeping things real.
~Hippie Chick~

Lorrie said...

What happened to all the previous comments on this thread? There were a lot more than the 18 currently showing.

E-town Neighbor said...

Lorrie said...

What happened to all the previous comments on this thread? There were a lot more than the 18 currently showing.

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Blogger's been down for the past day, the thread disappeared, was put back up, and some of the comments were removed.

Administrator said...

I think blogger is trying to restore the comments. Hope they aren't lost.

readerlady said...

I've always liked Jon and I've been shredded more than once for defending him. I think people forget that he was barely out of his teens when Kate got her claws into him. There are exceptions, but most of us are still pretty unformed at 20, and tend to be overshadowed by a stronger personality. Kate's always been a manipulator (as witnessed by her own admission that she used to con her brother into doing her work for her).We will never know the person Jon would have been had Kate not entered his life, but I think we are now seeing the real person he has become despite Kate. It's good to hear that he won't be doing any more interviews. Kate - take note: THIS is that high road you always claim to be taking. Go with God, Jon, go with God.

Lorrie said...

Ah -- thanks for the explaination, E-town Neighbor and Admin. I admit I indulged in a little wine last night (bottled, not boxed, thank you very much) but I knew I'd seen more comments than that!

Batterednotbroken said...

I wonder once all this is over and everyone see's the Khate we have always seen, will TMZ and all the other media will issue a public apology to Jon for all the nasty lies they spread about him for years. An apology for all the sleepless nights' he endured and all the tears he must have shed. I wonder, but l don't wonder for long. Unfortunately the answer will be, no!
I have been through a lot what Jon has been through, albeit not in the public eye. I never received an apology, not one. Hence my name. They never broke me, only battered.

E-town Neighbor said...

Kate's tweets:

Kateplusmy8 Kate Gosselin
Woo hoo! Just noticed 3 past 12,000 amazing followers/supporters! Thanks so much guys!It's been a fun few weeks so far!Love you all! Xoxoxo!
5 minutes ago
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Kate Gosselin
Kateplusmy8 Kate Gosselin

@Donnas_Daze Chelsea and mark!!! Woo hoo! Since first week I loved them!!!

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Woo hoo! Sounds like Kate has been listening to too much "Black Horse and the Cherry Tree!"

Administrator said...

I see Kate also tweeted very specifically that she was out waiting for the "late bus." Do you know how freaking easy it would be for someone to find out exactly when that late bus arrives? Not only is she putting these kids in danger tweeting their movements like this in REAL TIME, but she is also very clear when she is not at home, too!

I don't understand why she is taking such risks with her own kids. She knows how famous they are. Does she realize the Roloffs have five stalkers and the FBI involved???

E-town Neighbor said...

readerlady said...

I've always liked Jon and I've been shredded more than once for defending him.

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Ditto, Readerlady. I've been shredded, too. I know Jon, and I've always defended him, even through the immediate post-divorce period. I've seen him with the kids, and I know how devoted he is to them, especially supporting them in all of their school activities. He has been the one who is always there for them, even when he was going through all the media-bashing after the divorce.

fidosmommy said...

E-town Neighbor,

I've said many times Jon seemed like the kind of person I'd love to have lunch with one day.

I wonder how many people could say the same about Kate as you have just said about the Jon you know personally.

E-town Neighbor said...

I wonder how many people could say the same about Kate as you have just said about the Jon you know personally.

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None that I know of. Kate is exactly as folks have said she is -- cold, aloof, with no personality. Kate is for Kate only. She is good, however, in presenting herself to her tweetie buddies as a warm, outgoing, friendly, supermom. If they ever met her, they'd be in for a very rude awakening.

Still trying to come up with a permanent name said...

As perverse as it sounds, I bet Kart would get a thrill from all the drama that stalkers would bring to the table.

Think of all the attention she'd get with the "Mr. FBI Men" attending to HER every need.

Possible stalkers would drive quite a few tabloid stories and of course, she'd make the rounds of the talk shows again, wringing her hands and arriving with her group of real bodyguards.

She has absolutely no sense.

My heart aches for the kids. And for Jon who has to put up with this sh*t......

I hope that nothing like that comes to pass. Can you imagine how rude she'd be to the cops and FBI guys?! Her "fears" would have been validated, and there would be no containing her then.

Argggggggghhhhhhh....

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

Kate tweeted that she was teaching the older kids "Bananagrams" and tweeted a picture of the words they'd made.

Included were the words "Kate Naver Gives In."

That picture sure would make a nice visual for a new article. I'm sure Kate is sending a message to the "haters." She's such a fool

Administrator said...

I assume that was a typo but she did spell it right, Kate Never Gives In.

Way to insert yourself into something NOT ABOUT YOU. Geez-us. OF COURSE any project she does with the kids is ALL ABOUT HER!!!! BA-HAHAHHAHAHA!

fidosmommy said...

To Name Seeker.... ;)

Yeah, Kate would revel in the attention she would get on the national level - with hardly a thought to the impact of all that on her kids.
As much as she pratters on about how much she
luvs, luvs, luvs them, she has no idea that loving you children = keeping them out of harm's way first and foremost. No idea whatsoever.

She appears to me to be an argument for putting prospective parents through psychological and nurturing capability tests before they are allowed to have children. I realize that can't happen, but still.....

E-town Neighbor said...

"Still trying to come up with a permanent name"

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What about "Permanent Name"
Sounds good to me!

Linda G. said...

That was the first thing I noticed: HER name is in the bananagram. Of course.

Also, I didn't notice the "in" at first and just read "Kate never gives." That would be true. It's not what narcissists do.

So again, she's back to tweeting a lot about the kids. Remember when she stopped doing that really abruptly? If Jon got her to stop, it was only temporary.

Her tweet answering a woman about how she gets ideas for meals was SO over the top: why she just comes up with them herself, of course. Cooking is art, she says!

First of all, bullshit. She doesn't plan pr prepare meals for the kids. Secondly, even if she did, how conceited was that tweet? Way to be helpful, though honestly, are her fans the most helpless human beings or what? They don't know how to open a cookbook or hit up allrecipes.com? They're just AWED when a mother feeds her kids???? What's wrong with them?

E-town Neighbor said...

They're just AWED when a mother feeds her kids????

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Yes, especially when she feeds them under-cooked chicken and some kind of cacciatore slop that she throws on a plate, but doesn't eat it herself! Remember the egg salad? It's really an art to chop up some hard-boiled eggs, mix them with mayo, a little dry mustard and dill (and we always add chopped olives).

silimom said...

Admin, I think that there were some not so subtle comparisons being made between Kate and Ellen, even on Jon's part, during the article. Not that I begrudge him this - I think Ellen is good for him and I applaud him for turning his life around (Grrr...I just got tips on today to help me stop biting my nails and I can't type to save my life!!!! The backspace button is my new friend!).

TLC Ship is Sinking said: "She's already doing this i.e. gymnastics, but she managed to attend the Kentucky Derby and a vacation with her girl sextuplets."

I knew a person who would only do fun things with her children if it was something she enjoyed doing. If the kids wanted to do sports or scouts or be in the school band, they were not allowed because it inconvenienced her or it wasn't something she enjoyed or saw value in.

I can't count the times I heard her tell her children "Oh you can't do xxx because we just can't afford it" but then the next week would buy season passes to Disneyland for the family or go on weekend getaways to places she liked or do activities that she enjoyed.

There are just some people like that, unfortunately. Kate reminds me of her in many ways.

Administrator said...

Oh speaking of the five stalkers for the Roloff family and the FBI involved....Guess that debunks the little sheeple trolling around here a few weeks ago claiming nothing Kate was doing was putting anyone in any danger and don't worry, she is sure the house has a security system!

HA!!! FBI IS INVOLVED WITH ANOTHER TLC FAMILY! Proof right there Kate has an OBLIGATION to be careful, especially when it comes to her own children.

waah! I can't pay my lipo bills! said...

So what'll happen if Silicone Kate loses her case in court? Will she stiff her lawyer because she didn't know how to help her? Because it's "not fair"? Will she beg to go on any talk show to tell her stupid side if the storylike she did when Jon "stole" money from her? That was quite a performance...pressured speech to quickly brush over the fact that she had also stolen even more money from that same account? Dipshit. And she grossed me out the way she kept poking her own eyes to dab nonexistent tears in hopes of making her eyes water? Kate's defense sounds weak to me. It should be as dramatic as the landing of the sky jump if she loses. The woman is nothing if not cheap

Susantoyota said...

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said... Kate tweeted that she was teaching the older kids "Bananagrams" and tweeted a picture of the words they'd made.

Included were the words "Kate Naver Gives In."

That picture sure would make a nice visual for a new article. I'm sure Kate is sending a message to the "haters." She's such a fool
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Here it is.

http://yfrog.com/z/hsmtomj

I agree that it would make a nice visual, maybe save it for a new thread when the show fades away or is outright canceled as she will do all sorts of crazy things to remain in the public eye.

Permanent Name said...

E-Town Neighbor,

Thank you for the suggestion! Don't mind if I do!

Do I owe you a consulting fee? ;-)

Administrator said...

Kate may think she never gives in, but TLC will MAKE her give in when they cancel her show. What is she going to do, form her own production company and finance the filming the crap out of her kids herself? Yea right.

How silly is that anyway, never giving in? In other words, you never compromise. How do you go through life without giving in on at least some things? She never gives in when she wants the temperature on the hotel heater set at 72 and Steve wants 68? That can't compromise on 70 or does Kate never give in? God what a nightmare she sounds like to live with.

Administrator said...

Ew E-Town and Permanent I think you have a contract! Be careful or you'll end up in an embarrassing lawsuit over 5 1/2 hour phone calls!

Administrator said...

But Sillimom when you are describing someone NORMAL who is not a narcissist, isn't pretty much anything you say going to sound like it's a comparison to Kate? Even if you're just describing their general attributes and not thinking about your ex wife at all!

She's nice. She's attentive to me. She's relaxed. She doesn't nag me, she doesn't belittle me. She is kind and gentle to the kids.

See what I mean?

Permanent Name said...

OK, now folks, let's look at this with 40 eleven grains of salt.....

Really. Let's put on our thinking caps......

Do we really believe that Kart actually played with her kids? Took the time to sit down with them? Nah...... too far out... not in her repertoire.

I'm thinking (now that I have a name) that Purseboy came up with the idea of using all the words listed: family, hug, nicely, kindness, laughter. No doubt this is a visual to be used somehow down the line, perhaps to go with a tabloid story geared to make her look 'motherly'.

But breeding tells, as my mom used to say - Kart's NPD compelled her to throw in 'runner' as a brag, and the phrase "Kate Never Gives In" as an f/u to all us 'haterz'.

She just CAN'T be nice. No in her. Brain doesn't work that way.

We know she can't follow the 'good mom' script for her show, and she can't follow a PR suggestion to soften her image.

Purseboy must get so frustrated.... ain't it just so sad? ha ha ha ha ha

Sorry Kart and Purseboy - I am not buying your crapalola.

Marie said...

I have to ask, what is so special about turning 7 years old? I always thought turning 1, 5, 10, 12 or 13, 16, 18 and 21 were BIG birthdays?

I have a friend, her son will be 4 in October, and she is already planning to rent him a pony for his birthday. Give me a break. This is where kids get the idea they deserve to be entitled comes from. Sure birthdays are special but people don't need to over do things. (i.e. 2-3 birthday parties) itsjust not normal.

I was born premature because my mother has POS and all the symptoms--non of which I see in Kate. Didn't mean I got a big birthday every year, and no birthday really sticks out in my mind either. I wasn't spoiled because my parents finally had one and only child they could, no not six of me so what? My grandma is one of 9 children, gee, they got by in WWII in Russia without "reality TV." And I'm sure when time comes Kate can get by raising 8 kids without her show...she just does not WANT TO! I hope Jon will be successful in his thoughts for future.

Permanent Name said...

Administrator said... Ew E-Town and Permanent I think you have a contract! Be careful or you'll end up in an embarrassing lawsuit over 5 1/2 hour phone calls!

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LOL! Good one, admin! ;-)

Permanent Name said...

E-Town,

I'd contract with you anyday! :-)

Permanent Name said...

Is bananagram another word for scrabble?

Kids hurt from things said for years said...

I don't want to have lunch with Jon or Kate someday, I just think it is great that Jon got to a point where he realizes that anything he says about their mother hurts the kids. She, on the other hand, is too stupid to realize everything bad she says about Jon hurts those kids. They have been hearing what she says for years, especially the twins. Not good stuff. But he finally understands those kids are hurting. As soon as TLC drops them, the kids will be on the road to recovery and be like their schoolmates, with a Dad who is a Dad and a Mom who is crazy.

Think Bing Crosby's 4 sons were treated mean by him and 2 committed suicide when older in life, like in their 40s or something. Crosby was a mean man to those kids and their mother. But he loved his second wife and only acknowledged his kids with his second wife, that must have been heartbreaking.Think the first wife died when the kids from that marriage were young too. Sad stuff. She was an actress and a drinker. All sad.

Batterednotbroken said...

Just in case y'all forgot about this one. It made me cry. I know you all may have seen this before, but l honestly believe it's worth repeating.


http://www.youtube.com/v/ngba1htN5-A?version=3

Doubting said...

I am typing from my phone so I'll keep it short, but I don't think Jon and Ellen will last, and it's unfortunate that the kids will have yet another person disappear from their lives.

Betty said...

Is her Twitter # of 10,000, the next # of viewers to the next show? lol lol lol

Devils Advocate said...

doubting, sorry you feel that way but they seem very solid.

Hoping maybe?

TLC ship is sinking said...

Do we really believe that Kart actually played with her kids? Took the time to sit down with them? Nah...... too far out... not in her repertoire.

Well...if it was filmed, then Kate did it for the cameras, not just to have fun with her kids.

She did tweet earlier today that they were going to film. Probably another game night episode.

Kartie Tweetest (Formely Dearest) said...

Did anyone watch Letterman a few nights ago? In his monologue he was cracking jokes about Osama Bin Laden and his 3 wives, etc. The last thing he said was something to the effect of, "He fathered 23 kids with his 4th wife Kate Bin Gossellin.

At first I laughed out loud and then I thought how sad for the kids to have their last name mixed with OBL's.

She is a Cow said...

Permanent Name said... Is bananagram another word for scrabble?
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Yes, it is like scrabble, but packaged in a cloth bananna! There is also a pear and an apple with word games.

koopdedoo said...

Bananagram game - gee, product placement much? It had to have been part of filming...would not have happened without cameras rolling.

She is a Cow said...

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said... Kate tweeted that she was teaching the older kids "Bananagrams" and tweeted a picture of the words they'd made.

Included were the words "Kate Never Gives In."

That picture sure would make a nice visual for a new article. I'm sure Kate is sending a message to the "haters." She's such a fool
_______________________________

Seriously, who does this stuff. Who sits at a table and writes these words about themselves and then posts it. I bet she stands in the mirror every day making affirmations of how beautiful, powerful and wonderful she is.

Tweedle....She couldn't be doing it as a message to the haters, because she can't see or hear any haters. Only love and light in her universe.

She obviously knows she is going down, so photographing things like this and posting them to the mainstream will only make it that much sweeter, when she finally hits the floor in a crumpled, blubbering mess!!

But wait! She did say on the red carpet interview that HER SHOW was on the way. Why WOULD she "give up" when that is still in the works! (snark)

The message should say "KATE NEVER GIVES BACK!"

JudyK said...

http://yfrog.com/z/hsmtomj
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Just looked at the "Banangram" and don't believe for one second that she was actually playing with the kids and that's what they came up with. It was contrived to show her Twitter dummies to make it appear as though she actually plays games and interacts with her kids. Funny that it just happens to have all those family values in it, together with Kate's F-U. It was totally contrived.

Midnight Madness said...

"Think Bing Crosby's 4 sons were treated mean by him and 2 committed suicide when older in life, like in their 40s or something. Crosby was a mean man to those kids and their mother."

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Gary wrote a book, similar to Mommie Dearest, in which he detailed being physically and emotionally abused, but one of the sons interviewed about ten years ago said that it was all a lie, and that Gary was greedy, needed money, and made the whole thing up. He went on to say that Bing was a wonderful father and that he despised Gary for blackening the memory of his dad, and that none of the accusations was true.

He also said that one of his brother's suicide was the result of alcoholism, and the younger brother was in so much grief from his brother's death that he killed himself. I believe that they were in their 50s when they died, maybe one of them nearing 60.

Midnight Madness said...

"Is her Twitter # of 10,000, the next # of viewers to the next show?"

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I think it's more like 12,000. She picked up about 2,000 more along the way somewhere.

No regrets said...

Since blogger was down, I took a stroll on the darkside. I am so disgusted. A few days ago, hailey tweeted that she filed her suit against Jon for the 90K or 200K, not sure how much, it has changed frequently. The tweet was on a blog that rhymes with PiggyZoe. Not there now, possibly due to the blogger hiccup. Apparently, the "lovers" (as opposed to us "haters") encouraged her to file, since they have decided that Jon does not pay child support now.

They have the audacity to accuse people of being mean and vindictive towards Kate, and how they been "fighting this injustice" for years. Do these idiotic, vindictive airheads not understand how this will effect the kids? Because he has a 'normal' job they decide he doesn't have the money to pay child support, so they encourage her file the suit, and rah rah her when she claims she did. Initially, she claimed she didn't file because she didn't want to hurt the kids child support. So noble. So upstanding. Eh? Let me tell you, IF someone owed ME 90K or 200K I would have been in court within DAYS. And of course, since people just 'know' he doesn't pay child support now, it is OK to sue him. God help these people. I admit, I do not like Kate, I do not think the kids should be filmed any longer, but not ONCE have I ever wished on her something like this. Ever. And I have never seen anyone on here wish for such a damaging thing to happen. This is beyond disgusting.

Click on my nickname to see the responses to hailey, and you will recognize the names. They are the MOST indignant and the most sanctimonious of the entire twitter clan. I am not saying if someone owes one money, you should not repay. But the timeline in suing and all the other bs that went down with this girl, it is very hard to believe her story. BUT I certainly would NOT encourage and egg anyone along with this action if it were directed at Kate. LaFair's 10K is a drop compared to this. But if Kate did call her, which she ADMITTED, and talked to her, which she ADMITTED then she does owe her. Have I emailed/tweeted LaFair to encourage this? Never.

They really do not care one wit about these kids. This proves it to me, without a doubt.

Also, this LaFair thing, Jon refused to talk to LaFair, according to LaFair's testimony. I am thinking that Kate may have very well have called LaFair on her own, since Jon had already had counseling with her, and tried to make Jon cooperate with her and Dr Phil. Why, if Jon insisted on LaFair being there, as Kate claimed, would he refuse to talk to her? That does not make sense.

Linda G. said...

Doubting: and so what? Kate could break up with Steve (as her whatever he is for her, paid companion, etc). So what? You gonna cry over that, too, for the kids?

A parent breaking up with a partner happens. It might happen to Jon OR Kate. That's a fairly normal experience post-divorce. What is not normal is your mom pimping out your young life to a national audience so she can live the high life. Capish?

dee3 said...

Devils Advocate said...

doubting, sorry you feel that way but they seem very solid.
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How many people have left the childrens' lives thanks to Kate? All the nannies and babysitters? What about Steve...who plays almost a fatherly, husbandly role....but who isn't likely to stay once the assignment is done?
Plus, what is one supposed to do? Never date again because you have children and it might not work out? Jon and Ellen's relationship looks like it has a good chance to last...IMO.
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E-town Neighbor said~

None that I know of. Kate is exactly as folks have said she is -- cold, aloof, with no personality. Kate is for Kate only. She is good, however, in presenting herself to her tweetie buddies as a warm, outgoing, friendly, supermom. If they ever met her, they'd be in for a very rude awakening.
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I continue to have serious doubts that this is actually Kate tweeting. I'm not 100% sure...but just have my doubts. Do I think Kate could fake having a totally different personality? Sure. But to manage to do it for so long? She couldn't even control her behavior on the early shows, back when she was supposed to be a role-model mom.
Not to mention, the normal Kate would be disdainful of these bubbling tweens....and would have trouble even faking it for them for 2 minutes.
I'm just not totally sure.

Half her followers don't tweet! said...

Midnight Madness said... "Is her Twitter # of 10,000, the next # of viewers to the next show?"

====================

I think it's more like 12,000. She picked up about 2,000 more along the way somewhere.

==========================

Yes, the sheeple are working overtime making up fake accounts for her majesty.

dee3 said...

Administrator~

If Kate did hire LaFair....and was still legally married to Jon at the time....would Jon also owe a portion of the amount due?

Of course, it makes no sense that Jon would even be interested in having this woman as an "advocate". I believe Kate hired her in order to convince Jon to maintain the facade in order to keep the brand afloat and keep the money flowing in. LaFair's role as personal but also business therapist would fit right in with this. And....at the time, Dr. Phil was attempting to help Kate maintain the brand. LaFair's whole story makes total sense to me.

I have always believed that she made Jon sign a contract prior to that Hawaii vow renewal.....that he could date but had to pretend everything was OK...for the show.

In fact....I'm almost surprised that TLC didn't pay for this. After all....convincing Jon to maintain the facade...back at that time....would have been in the best interest of TLC, I would think. It makes me wonder just how many freebies she's gotten all along....there's a chance it might not be quite as large an amount as we've thought(?)

fidosmommy said...

I absolutely agree that Bananagram game is a
farce. It's ridiculously clear to me. She
is really reaching, IMO, to show herself to be the Mommy Values icon.

If Bananagram (yes, I agree - product placement for filming) follows the same rules as Scrabble, proper names are not allowed. So, Kate loses. Again. Shall I say it? Woo Hoo!

Oh, Do Give Up said...

RE: picture of Bananagram puzzle

Well, guess what Kate, you should give up. Your viewership is in the toilet and you have said yourself that you are not liked by 90% of the general population. Maybe it is time to end the farce that is Kate Gosselin, Super Mom!! You have made it clear that you will film the kid's birthday party today. Why don't you do the right thing and make that the last show! The last time they will have to film! Give the kids the "Work Free" summer vacation that they so truely deserve. Stop being such a greedy, selfish, despicable pig. Enough is Enough. GIVE UP!

Administrator said...

Well Kate has twitter-twattered it's raining today. Sounds like it's birthday filming day. Darn, what will production do!

Kate never gives in. Hm, has she ever heard of leaving with dignity and her head held high? Has she ever heard of the countless long running shows that went out on top with a proper goodbye episode? Does she think that Seinfeld "gave in" when he decided to end the show even though it was still doing well?

What a lunatic.

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

Kate+dignity. Is that an oxymoron?

Jenna Does said...

In my Entertainment Weekly this week, on the back they have a Bulls eye, this weeks current events that either hit the mark or missed it all together. Well, Kate was way UP in the right hand corner in her feathered hat at the Kentucky Derby with the caption that said "With 8 pairs of eyes at home to help you, you still left the house looking that way?"

I LOVE IT!! They hate her over there at that magazine. They don't even re-cap her shows. They know she is done, & they KNOW entertainment. I had to laugh. Thought I'd share!
~Hippie Chick~

mamaK said...

http://www.tmz.com/2009/03/25/jon-and-kate-just-ate-together/

viedo of Jon and Kate out in LA on March 24th...the same day that the therapist claims she canceled her session cuz Kate told her to go.

Administrator said...

In the meantime, new post up.

Several comments are still missing in this post in blogger's big outage. They were good comments so I hope to see them back at some point! Blogger says they'll restore them this weekend.

Just Dwindle Away said...

Lorrie said...

What happened to all the previous comments on this thread? There were a lot more than the 18 currently showing.

@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

All "Blogger" sites ("Blogger" is the name of the company), all over the Internet, were down and lost posts and data. Some sites are in bad shape. Admins everywhere are trying to restore data but it just isnt there.

dee3 said...

I can just see Kate, when the cameras are all gone one day....coming down the stairs saying, "I'm ready for my close-up, Mr. DeMille".

Why are they filming the birthday party? The show must go on? I wonder if they will keep filming her (or pretend to film her) after the show ends, just to keep her from going nuts.

I still can't really figure-out why TLC didn't pay for this LaFair woman. You would think they'd have wanted what Kate wanted back then....to maintain the brand. It raises some suspicions about something...just not sure what it is. Seems very odd that they didn't pay this bill.....what did Kate want LaFair to do that they might not have been in favor of?

And is Jon liable for any of this 10 grand charge if he and Kate were still married when she contracted with LaFair?

E-town Neighbor said...

Permanent Name said...

E-Town,

I'd contract with you anyday! :-)

=========================

We do have a verbal contract. You did say that you would fly me (first class) to the Four Seasons Resort Hualalai at Ka'upulehu for additional counseling/advisement. My five-and-a-half hour phone calls are on the house. I have the Friends and Family Plan. I added you to my list of friends.

E-town Neighbor said...

Well Kate has twitter-twattered it's raining today. Sounds like it's birthday filming day. Darn, what will production do!

===================

This is true. It's a rainy, miserable day, and it's supposed to be this way through next week. If Kate's not doing the tweeting, does she advise the ghost-tweeterer as to weather conditions, when she goes to bed, the number of sitters she has, etc. etc., or would they pretty much just make it up as they go along?

LaLaLandNoMore said...

The truth as we have always seen it is going to come out and this sham of a show, Kate, will end. Jon was driven away by the greed of Kate and TLC. Never did they intend to end this show, but the general public is smart enough to know what's up. We have their numbers. It will end and Kate will need to pay her own bills. Ugly is as ugly does. Jon has always been the more loving parent and the episodes don't lie. Filmed for family memories is as phony as anything out of Kate's lying mouth. Jon became Kate's punching bag and he took it for far too long. She needed to be put in her place over and over. I don't know how anyone ever was a friend to her. These tweets sound like someone else and not the Kate we've seen and heard for years. Those poor, little rich kids, the Gosselin 8. Their daddy, warts and all, will be their salvation. I believe it.

LaLaLandNoMore said...

The truth as we have always seen it is going to come out and this sham of a show, Kate, will end. Jon was driven away by the greed of Kate and TLC. Never did they intend to end this show, but the general public is smart enough to know what's up. We have their numbers. It will end and Kate will need to pay her own bills. Ugly is as ugly does. Jon has always been the more loving parent and the episodes don't lie. Filmed for family memories is as phony as anything out of Kate's lying mouth. Jon became Kate's punching bag and he took it for far too long. She needed to be put in her place over and over. I don't know how anyone ever was a friend to her. These tweets sound like someone else and not the Kate we've seen and heard for years. Those poor, little rich kids, the Gosselin 8. Their daddy, warts and all, will be their salvation. I believe it.

E-town Neighbor said...

Well Kate has twitter-twattered it's raining today. Sounds like it's birthday filming day. Darn, what will production do!

===================

This is true. It's a rainy, miserable day, and it's supposed to be this way through next week. If Kate's not doing the tweeting, does she advise the ghost-tweeterer as to weather conditions, when she goes to bed, the number of sitters she has, etc. etc., or would they pretty much just make it up as they go along?

Just Dwindle Away said...

Lorrie said...

What happened to all the previous comments on this thread? There were a lot more than the 18 currently showing.

@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

All "Blogger" sites ("Blogger" is the name of the company), all over the Internet, were down and lost posts and data. Some sites are in bad shape. Admins everywhere are trying to restore data but it just isnt there.

dee3 said...

I can just see Kate, when the cameras are all gone one day....coming down the stairs saying, "I'm ready for my close-up, Mr. DeMille".

Why are they filming the birthday party? The show must go on? I wonder if they will keep filming her (or pretend to film her) after the show ends, just to keep her from going nuts.

I still can't really figure-out why TLC didn't pay for this LaFair woman. You would think they'd have wanted what Kate wanted back then....to maintain the brand. It raises some suspicions about something...just not sure what it is. Seems very odd that they didn't pay this bill.....what did Kate want LaFair to do that they might not have been in favor of?

And is Jon liable for any of this 10 grand charge if he and Kate were still married when she contracted with LaFair?

Half her followers don't tweet said...

Midnight Madness said... "Is her Twitter # of 10,000, the next # of viewers to the next show?"

====================

I think it's more like 12,000. She picked up about 2,000 more along the way somewhere.

==========================

Yes, the sheeple are working overtime making up fake accounts for her majesty.

dee3 said...

Devils Advocate said...

doubting, sorry you feel that way but they seem very solid.
------------------------
How many people have left the childrens' lives thanks to Kate? All the nannies and babysitters? What about Steve...who plays almost a fatherly, husbandly role....but who isn't likely to stay once the assignment is done?
Plus, what is one supposed to do? Never date again because you have children and it might not work out? Jon and Ellen's relationship looks like it has a good chance to last...IMO.
-----------------------
E-town Neighbor said~

None that I know of. Kate is exactly as folks have said she is -- cold, aloof, with no personality. Kate is for Kate only. She is good, however, in presenting herself to her tweetie buddies as a warm, outgoing, friendly, supermom. If they ever met her, they'd be in for a very rude awakening.
------------------------

I continue to have serious doubts that this is actually Kate tweeting. I'm not 100% sure...but just have my doubts. Do I think Kate could fake having a totally different personality? Sure. But to manage to do it for so long? She couldn't even control her behavior on the early shows, back when she was supposed to be a role-model mom.
Not to mention, the normal Kate would be disdainful of these bubbling tweens....and would have trouble even faking it for them for 2 minutes.
I'm just not totally sure.

No regrets said...

Since blogger was down, I took a stroll on the darkside. I am so disgusted. A few days ago, hailey tweeted that she filed her suit against Jon for the 90K or 200K, not sure how much, it has changed frequently. The tweet was on a blog that rhymes with PiggyZoe. Not there now, possibly due to the blogger hiccup. Apparently, the "lovers" (as opposed to us "haters") encouraged her to file, since they have decided that Jon does not pay child support now.

They have the audacity to accuse people of being mean and vindictive towards Kate, and how they been "fighting this injustice" for years. Do these idiotic, vindictive airheads not understand how this will effect the kids? Because he has a 'normal' job they decide he doesn't have the money to pay child support, so they encourage her file the suit, and rah rah her when she claims she did. Initially, she claimed she didn't file because she didn't want to hurt the kids child support. So noble. So upstanding. Eh? Let me tell you, IF someone owed ME 90K or 200K I would have been in court within DAYS. And of course, since people just 'know' he doesn't pay child support now, it is OK to sue him. God help these people. I admit, I do not like Kate, I do not think the kids should be filmed any longer, but not ONCE have I ever wished on her something like this. Ever. And I have never seen anyone on here wish for such a damaging thing to happen. This is beyond disgusting.

Click on my nickname to see the responses to hailey, and you will recognize the names. They are the MOST indignant and the most sanctimonious of the entire twitter clan. I am not saying if someone owes one money, you should not repay. But the timeline in suing and all the other bs that went down with this girl, it is very hard to believe her story. BUT I certainly would NOT encourage and egg anyone along with this action if it were directed at Kate. LaFair's 10K is a drop compared to this. But if Kate did call her, which she ADMITTED, and talked to her, which she ADMITTED then she does owe her. Have I emailed/tweeted LaFair to encourage this? Never.

They really do not care one wit about these kids. This proves it to me, without a doubt.

Also, this LaFair thing, Jon refused to talk to LaFair, according to LaFair's testimony. I am thinking that Kate may have very well have called LaFair on her own, since Jon had already had counseling with her, and tried to make Jon cooperate with her and Dr Phil. Why, if Jon insisted on LaFair being there, as Kate claimed, would he refuse to talk to her? That does not make sense.

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