The Gosselins travel to Alabama to go to Space Camp! Kate and the kids explore all NASA has to offer and become astronauts for the day. Will the family get along long enough to complete their missions? 60 Min.
Thank you. I do wonder if her parents pay her expenses or if Kate finagles TLC into it. It's almost as if one or both of the twins need her as a comfort pet.
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I hope Marley's parents aren't being asked to pay for her to go along on the trips. Most likely any extra costs attributed to an extra person would be covered by production like they pay for TFW and family. On the Pocono's episode Mady described Marley as a triplet to Cara and herself so it sounds like she's very much a part of their 'family', but it doesn't explain why she has to go on all of their family trips with them. Maybe she's a bribe to get the twins to participate.
I think the twins and Marley have a very tight bond and possibly sometimes to the exclusion of the sextuplets from activities. Mady said during games or competitions she and Cara are always on the same team (and when Marley is with them, I'm sure she's on their team, too) and it reminded how TFW has separated the kids and pitted them against each other, twins vs 'little kids' or boys vs girls their whole lives. Not only has this given certain groups unfair advantages or disadvantages, but it's been unfair and has taught them such skewed views. I see TFW's influence on their attitudes about things like gender roles, conflict, work ethic, ungratefulness (it's been discussed in this thread @ TFW and the kids) and competition, more and more as the kids get older and it's troubling. I'd hoped they would be showing more maturity and the influence of their peers would be coming through more strongly, but sadly and not surprisingly, I'm seeing more similarities to TFW than not.
I think Steve had a lot to do with the breakup of the marriage. Kate got too big for her britches and wanted to run with Steve here there and every where. Look where that got her.
The glaring drop in viewers between the two other shows and Kate is almost worse than the actual ratings. If they all had pretty low ratings that would be different. But this is a clear message that viewers are making a very active choice to tune out. It's so easy to just leave the tv on that channel. It suggests active, not passive viewers who are tuning out for reasons, whatever those are for each individual.
Admin said...But this is a clear message that viewers are making a very active choice to tune out. **** Yep! And it doesn't help when they themselves (TLC) don't advertise her show. The only time her show was advertised last night was right before Outdaughtered ended, they did a 'coming up next on Kate Plus 8' and ran a clip. Other than that, nothing during Outdaughtered and nothing during LPBW. However, during Outdaughtered and K8+8, they advertised next wks LPBW during EVERY commercial break.
Admin (5) Good point about the active and passive viewers. It looks like viewers of LPBW, for the most part, are staying put to watch Outdaughtered, but then changing the channel when K+8 comes on. They are making a choice to shut her show out.
This week was the lowest rated ever, to include all the years of Jon and Kate and all the years of Kate Plus 8. Each week the ratings get worse and worse. Just how bad can they get? I think we have yet to see. I predict that the twins' birthday will have the lowest viewership of the season. The worst is still to come.
I have already seen several ads for next week's LPBW (Amy dresses in leather for a motorcycle ride with a male friend), for Outdaughtered (the babies dress up and go trick or treating), plus a few ads for Sister Wives and the Tyler Perry show. Not a single mention of Kate Plus 8. Again. TLC wants the show to fail. I don't think there is any other explanation.
NJGal51 # 189 Donations can be made at Gosselinbook(dot)com...scroll down. Robert is resting at home. He said he's feeling better. Someone else asked about his kids, he has 3 girls he's madly in love with. BTW for the sheep who read here, Robert NEVER asked for ANY donations. I'm just making a suggestion since he's been unable to work for a while prior to surgery because of his heart valve problem. TIA
What's funny is Kody treats Robyn the best. It's those other old news wives who really should leave the POS. She pops out god knows how many kids of his then takes off? Good grief.
I always think it's interesting to analyze what went wrong when there is some kind of massive failure like this. Whether it's a failed TV show, election, manmade disaster, etc.
I think it's a combo. I actually think it's a bit of over-saturation. She might have been better off doing one big update special, hyping it up with lots of advertising, and emphasizing it's just one special and you won't be able to catch up again for awhile.
The Collin issue is a huge factor. Huge. I way underestimated how much that would bother viewers. It bothers us but we don't always represent the average viewer. Turns out, the average viewer LIKES Collin, wants him around, and feels the very same "discarded" vibe we did.
Related to Collin, I'm convinced many viewers of shows like this happen to have children with special needs or are at least close to someone who does, and sending him away isn't playing well at all.
Ironically, her discarding Jon so she could keep getting her way is backfiring, because apparently some viewers very much feel Jon should be involved in the Collin issue and helping. THAT isn't playing well either. It took awhile for viewers to see the problem with discarding Jon, but they got there.e
In the end she did herself in. She got rid of Jon to go on with the show. She got rid of Collin to go on with the show. She insisted on as many episodes as possible because she's greedy and wants what she wants, when less would have been more. She has always only been able to play checkers, not the two or three moves ahead that chess requires.
It's hard to know exactly what is the cause of the low ratings but sort of like I was saying before, I actually think it's the opposite of apathy. For some anyway.
If viewers were simply apathetic, they would just leave the TV on after watching Outdaughtered and Little People. But because they are the very opposite of apathy and really care what is happening to this family, especially Collin, they are actively tuning out. They care, and are demonstrating that by clicking off.
I watch Little People still, have always had it on my DVR, and this week's episode was beyond stupid and incredibly scripted. It was just about setting up a bomb shelter for an emergencies. The idea that this kind of thing is what is blowing her away in the ratings is pretty telling.
"It must be nice to be able to take 5 different summer vacations. The downside is you have to take them with KATE. Way to be an immature ass and try to do all the "best" things at Space Camp. Don't put your kids before yourself or anything. This woman is totally embarrassing. Why does she have to make everything into the biggest deal? I get that putting away groceries for 9 people is a large effort. I do a bi-weekly shopping trip for 5 and want to pass out. But the way she speaks to people is not going to inspire good attitudes. Just saying."
I won't believe it until there's some sort of proof that these "seasons" are done, but her ratings plummeting down the toilet can't bode well for Kate.
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In the old days all shows got an official, dramatic cancellation. Nowadays the trend seems to be just stop airing the show, leaving the door open if they ever want to bring it back.
I don't expect this time a "Kate is cancelled" grand announcement. They'll simply just stop filming her. In a way that's bad, because Kate will be hanging on and hanging on hoping for more when it's never going to happen. Sure, she may get an update special a few more times, but unless she can get modern upper middle class kids to start having babies at 19 when no one else is, she's not getting a revival here. I barely know anyone these days who doesn't wait until at least 28, if not well into their 30's, to have kids. It's going to be a long wait for her second coming.
It was confusing because they didn't explain it well, but they did it several times and they all had different roles each time.
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Lately this show is getting lazy on explaining what's happening. I really noticed it in the scavenger hunt. It was hard to follow at times. It really suggests a phone-it-in attitude from post-production.
The mean, cold, loud, hitting parent that Kate is, has produced the same mean, cold, loud, hitting kids.
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Absolutely these kids are the direct result of her parenting style. What's strange is she acts like a given that kids will be terrors. Eh, no, no not at all.
In the old days all shows got an official, dramatic cancellation. Nowadays the trend seems to be just stop airing the show, leaving the door open if they ever want to bring it back.
_________________ Was there an official cancellation the last time the show went down the tubes? I seem to remember that there was, with talk about some updates and specials. Then TLC brought them back and started these darn episodes like the plug was never pulled on the show.
What opportunities? Most of those big trips happened when they were so young they'll barely remember anything without watching the show. Also, plenty people have seen them film and stated that they do a lot of takes and they only stay wherever they are long enough to film.
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That's probably true, the trip itself probably feels whirlwind. But, what's not whirlwind is they get to live in an incredible house on a huge property and go to a great private school. They have plenty of money to afford everything they need and want. They don't want for anything, tangible wise anyway.
I agree with the comment that this is not mutually exclusive. They can be appreciative and have a good attitude about their many blessings, while still not agreeing with filming. You don't have to be a sourpuss about everything just because one aspect of your life is terrible.
The fact is, these kids are vile and ungrateful about their lives, and the reality is, it's not attractive. Normal people who have adversity in their life don't walk around being jerks because nobody cares you got dealt a shit hand. The ungrateful snippy behavior needs to stop, it's not going to lead to anything positive in their lives.
The vast majority of lost luggage is recovered within a day or two, the rest within a week or two. The airlines don't want to lose your luggage because most will compensate you for it, and that's expensive if it happens all the time. Only a tiny percentage is never recovered. You could fly your whole life and never lose your luggage.
I don't buy her lie that the spacesuits were lost in the air. They're somewhere, she just doesn't want to be asked to dig them out and put them on. That's work.
XXXXX @XXXX @Kateplusmy8 why does cara never talk during the show interviews? She seems totally uninterested... does she not want to do the show? _____ Ya think? When was the last time K8 took that infamous family poll, you know, the annual one where she asks if anyone doesn't want to film, after listing the things that will "disappear" if they vote against filming?
I also think there will not be a cancellation announcement. When the Toby Willis story broke, it was reported that the family was told months before that the show was over. No public announcement. There are other shows that haven't been on for a long time, but nothing has been said about whether they would be coming back.
The problem with a lack of announcement about K+8 is that fans like Milo will never stop pestering Kate and TLC about more episodes. Fans like Milo need a definitive answer or they just keep pushing.
In a couple years Mady and Cara will graduate. Cara has said she wants to go far away for college. And she just does not seem like she will want to continue filming. Who knows if C will be back or not, or able to film if he is back. The "Plus 8" may not ever exist again. Kate was still kind of a celeb last time the show ended. Not now.
The last time there was a big announcement. It was on August 15, 2011, IIRC. Ratings were not nearly as bad then as they are now. There were maybe 3 episodes total that got less than 1million viewers. The lowest was a trip to Philadelphia, which got 681,000. This season is in a class by itself, ratings-wise. I can't think of any TLC show that has ever gotten such poor ratings. Maybe there has been one that I don't know about, but as far as I can remember, this is the worst. Correct me if I'm wrong.
@Layla even IF TLC does cancel and Milo does start harassing them if there will be more episodes.TLC knows damn well at this point that Kate's fanbase is not a large crowd,as evident in the ratings are.Yes Milo will start pestering TLC if they are going to make more episodes and whats even worse is that even if TLC does announce that they aren't going to make more episodes of Kate then i can see milo and some other fans then start harassing them by trying to guilt them into feeling sorry for Kate like some how they're the bad guys for cancelling Kate.
PA Dutch Mom (192)If they are watching then i would of assume that they would of join the twitter party like they did last season,kinda odd how some of them aren't for this season.Even more odd is that they haven't tweeted Kate in some time.
I'm trying to think if there is any scenario where teflon Kate would survive these dismal ratings. The advertisers have said before they just buy blocks. Not individual shows. Is it possible they're just looking for an overall good number, and a couple throw away shows with lower ratings don't matter much as long as the overall average number is good? For instance as long as little people and outdaughtered do well a third show with low ratings can be forgiven.
It's possible they might think well this is better ratings than a rerun of a more popular show would get and as long as all the shows combined average out it's okay.
That said I'd prefer to hope for the best in that she's toast.
Here is the fairly accurate list of advertisers from last night's show. My apologies---I was only able to see/hear part of 2 ads due to the grandbabies acting up. Looking back over my list, I initially thought that the number of advertisers had decreased overall and I guess they have as there are more advertisers whose ads were shown 2-3 times. There were also more ads for shows on other channels (some of which are sister channels to TLC). The Walmart ads were gone or were down to 1? But more ads were shown 3 times and Toys-R-Us was back as an advertiser. I still say that TLC is playing fast and loose with the advertisers who may not realize that their ads are running so frequently on K + 8 or even running during the show, but I don't see much changing due to 1) the holidays, 2) the advertisers may be happy that their ads are reaching even the low number of viewers on K + 8, and the 3) lack of outrage from advertisers that was shown during the Duggars scandal.
Versace Perfume/Macy's--3 Pillsbury--3 JC Penney--3 Emergen-C--2 Cheri Chocolates--2 Keurig--2 Hershey's--2 Subaru--2 Toys-R-Us--2 Pandora--1 Pistachios--1 Robitussin--1 Halos--1 Conair--1 Healthy Choices--1 Little Ceasars--1 Chapstick--1 Edible.com--1 Zales--1 Fixodent--1 Kay--Jared--Zales--1 Lactaid--1 Dairy/Milk?--1 Walmart? (used We Are Family song)--1 Midland Marble & Granite (local company)--1
LPBW--3 Outdaughtered--3 2 Close to Home--2 Killing Fields--2 Sister Wives--1 My 600 lb. Life--1 Fixer Upper (HGTV)--1 Expedition Unknown (Travel Channel)--1
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 28 I'm trying to think if there is any scenario where teflon Kate would survive these dismal ratings. The advertisers have said before they just buy blocks. Not individual shows. ************************* Most advertisers do buy blocks of advertising, but can specify their ads are not to be shown on certain shows. Which we saw a lot of at the time of the Duggar scandal.
But I do think you might be on to something--advertisers may be banking on viewers not turning the channel right away, staying for a little bit/long enough to watch some commercials. I do think eventually the advertisers will specify their ads are not to be shown during K + 8 as the ratings continue to decline.
Aaden was role playing a blind person in the water. The instructor gave the kids different roles to play.
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Even so, if Aaden was playing the role of a blind person in the helicopter, his mother had NO RIGHT as an allegedly good mom to holler, Aaden, HE'S BLIND! She is very cruel.
She has really acted like a absolute jackass about her poor son needed EYE WEAR. I wonder if she has already having to start wearing readers herself. That is the first step to having to get your eyes checked and start wearing glasses. It is just a part of getting older.
I know someone who had a friend in school and one girl bullied another girl who was cross-eyed, all through school and when they graduated HS, the C.E. girl went to college and the bully got married. When she had her baby she looked into the baby's face and saw that the baby's eyes were severely cross-eyed.
It comes back around. You reap what you sow.
Did ya'll catch when the guide said for the kids to pretend like CHICKENS? I wondered out loud if TFW suggested this to the guide, just to rub it in to Collin.
But, I know, that is impossible and it was a fluke.
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Sorry but this is a stretch, seriously. I think Kate is a horrible person, there's no need to take things out of context, we have plenty of actual material to work with, I'd say.
What opportunities? Most of those big trips happened when they were so young they'll barely remember anything without watching the show. Also, plenty people have seen them film and stated that they do a lot of takes and they only stay wherever they are long enough to film.
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That's probably true, the trip itself probably feels whirlwind. But, what's not whirlwind is they get to live in an incredible house on a huge property and go to a great private school. They have plenty of money to afford everything they need and want. They don't want for anything, tangible wise anyway.
I agree with the comment that this is not mutually exclusive. They can be appreciative and have a good attitude about their many blessings, while still not agreeing with filming. You don't have to be a sourpuss about everything just because one aspect of your life is terrible.
The fact is, these kids are vile and ungrateful about their lives, and the reality is, it's not attractive. Normal people who have adversity in their life don't walk around being jerks because nobody cares you got dealt a shit hand. The ungrateful snippy behavior needs to stop, it's not going to lead to anything positive in their lives.
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I can't get behind you calling these kids vile. Seriously, I find it wrong. They are spoiled and poorly raised but vile?
Also no, they don't need to be grateful for the huge house and expensive shit they didn't ask for. They were perfectly happy in the smaller house with less stuff and maybe not now but when they're older, I'm sure they'd give anything to not have the luxuries but to still have their quiet life with daddy and Collin and their nice neighbourhood.
Oh also, they've had the s**t beaten out of them in that "big house" full of fancy things, it's probably a damn trigger for them. They are children who've been exploited from birth, physically and emotionally mistreated. They don't have anyone to help them since their mother isolated them and alienated their father(who's been pretty douchey and hasn't bothered to do much for them for years). How exactly are they supposed to handle this better? No seriously :/
TLC is still making money, offsetting their production costs with her. Unless they lose money with her, she'll be renewed, unfortunately. The time is drawing near, though, with her gang of "8" is disappearing and she needs them for the draw. She is untalented and not likable for a solo act. Hopefully TLC will move on with a fresh talent in 2017.
But then why wouldn't TLC promote the show? They don't even run ads on their own channel. Even if LPBW and Outdaughtered do well, the ratings for K+8 drag that average down. It would take nothing for them to run ads for the show on their own channel, during their other shows. Reruns of a more popular show might get lower ratings, but they cost TLC little to nothing to run. The production costs are already taken care of. They have to pay salaries, costs for trips and activities, and filming/production costs for every one of these new K+8 episodes.
They just isn't any good explanation for the lack of promotion. There is no reason for TLC to refuse to run ads for it. It's not like someone at the network forgot to run an ad somewhere. The only explanation that makes sense is that TLC wants the show to fail. They are done with it. Maybe because of potential scandal over Collin. Maybe they have had enough (once again) of Kate's attitude. Maybe they realize there is nowhere else to go with the show. Maybe they want to make room for new shows. But they are done either way.
Kate will be mad if they string her along and don't announce a cancellation. She could use the announcement to do another People magazine cover, and to make lots of talk show appearances to cry poor and trash Jon. Instead she would be sitting by the phone, waiting endlessly for the occasional special or for a call that never comes.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 28 I'm trying to think if there is any scenario where teflon Kate would survive these dismal ratings. _____
Only if TLC keeps developing such pathetic new content. And even then, it may not come down to her dreadful ratings, the kids may decide they've had enough. I think some of them are very, very close. Blaming what is actually cancellation on the kids not wanting to film anymore might very well be her face-saving strategy this time around.
I actually believe TLC (and every other network) is getting killed by streaming content. I don't think their warehouse of properties is particularly strong in the streaming after-market, so they don't have much cushion to fall back on as ad revenues drop. They might have one or two things worth selling (and J&K+8 might even be one of them), but I can't see too many people wanting to pay for old episodes of My Strange Addiction or LI Medium.
That said I'd prefer to hope for the best in that she's toast.
****** If Kate isn't toast, I have to wonder what she's holding over TLC's head! I understand if TLC doesn't cut ties with her, like they did HBB, but filming regular "seasons" is probably done. They'll check in for other milestones if they think there's public interest, and IF Jon is till held at bay and still has no voice. If Jon gets shared custody and gets Kate's sole legal custody revoked, it's game over for Kate and filming.
XXXXX @XXXX @Kateplusmy8 why does cara never talk during the show interviews? She seems totally uninterested... does she not want to do the show? _____ Ya think? **** Silent protest.
XXXXXXXX Might as well change the show to Kate plus 7. Im sorry but as a mother of 5 (now all grown) I would of never left one out of the kind of experiences they are all having regardless of the reason. Hire someone to to go on these trips w/ you & work w/ one on one w/ him while your away or whatever if he is to much for you to handle.Yes Maddy needs to be left behind. She is always so condescending. I seriously think this show has run its course. I enjoyed when they we're lil (Except Maddie, she was a brat then to) but its time TLC pulls the plug.
XXXXXXXX She acts as if she one of the children and not a parent sometimes.. i stopped watching halfway through this episode when shes there arguing with her children about not being able to do what SHE wanted on this trip... really?! Let your children enjoy THEIR time be the parent and let them enjoy and not get in the way... even her own children needed to say mom let so and so do it he really wants too.. while she gets upset for not being in charge... smh.
XXXXXXXXX We miss you collin. Your mom is so uptight and controlling it's no wonder you needed some relief. Godspeed son
XXXXXXX All of the apples don't fall very far from the tree, they imitate their mother, they talk to people like their mother talks to,people very disrespectful
XXXXXXXX I like collin he mught have add or adhd but you dont have to send him away she should had help or let collin stay with his dad so he could be on one on one with his dad maybe he need to be with his dad
Jamesvader1194 said... 29 PA Dutch Mom (192)If they are watching then i would of assume that they would of join the twitter party like they did last season,kinda odd how some of them aren't for this season.Even more odd is that they haven't tweeted Kate in some time. _____________
Didn't some of the die-hard fans start fading away when it became apparent that McGiblets was going down?
Didn't some of the die-hard fans start fading away when it became apparent that McGiblets was going down? _____
Yes, but most came back when the show restarted. Some others that are not showing up are dowd24 (the Irish girl who was there from day one on Kate's twitter) and Jeanne Kay, who was around last season but not seen this time. I'm sure there are many more. I think a lot of her diehard fans really do have a problem with Collin being sent away.
Leslie (34) If any episode drops into the 400s, it will be the twins' birthday. That's in 2 weeks.
Last time TLC announced the show's cancellation, the ratings rallied for the last few episodes. Maybe they don't want to see that happen again. It seems like they want to humiliate her with these horrible ratings. They cancelled other shows with much higher ratings. The 2016 version of the RV trip of 2011. Humiliate her then kick her to the curb.
Tucker's Mom (#43), notice TFW was quick to respond to Gladys about A being totally fine, always (or whatever comment she made which is easily refuted with filmed evidence). But what can she say about C and her glaringly apparent reluctance to do the show?
Another possible contributor to low ratings for the Twin's b-day (in 2 wks), will be the timing coinciding with returning to work/school. Most people will go back to work on Tuesday and (at least around here), school starts back Wednesday. So #1, parents are going to be tired after their first day back to work and #2, they'll be getting their kids in bed early so she'll lose the younger demographics.
I predict one in particular twin showing off her bratty-ness in all her glory on that particular episode.
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It's not just one aspect of their lives that is terrible. Those kids are abused by their mother, physically, emotionally, and psychologically.
They are also estranged from their father because of their mother alienating him.
They may also be bullied at school because of their lives being made public, or being famous.
They just lost their brother. They saw him sent away by their mother, or maybe even taken away.
They are made to do magazine interviews, photo shoots, tv talk show appearances.
Those kids may have a big house and vacations but they live sad lives.
Those kids are also being raised by Kate. They follow her example of being rude and ungrateful. They probably had to get up before dawn for make-up and to go over what is expected of them. They may even be told to act up for drama purposes.
Mady is the only one that seems to have Kate's personality as far as really enjoying her role in the show. The other kids all seem to be floundering.
The fact is, these kids are vile and ungrateful about their lives, and the reality is, it's not attractive.
-(But Kate taught them that it is attractive and she taught them since that they were babies this is the way to live)
Normal people who have adversity in their life don't walk around being jerks because nobody cares.
-(The kids right now at their ages don't have a choice to not live their lives in front of TV cameras and magazine covers.. Now when the reach 18 that's a different story.)
I've often thought that TFW wanted babies, not children. ------------------------------- She wanted a television show about multiple babies. That's why she had them. She wanted a TV show with a hook. The kids were what she needed to get the show. That's why they filmed everything themselves those first couple of years & sent the tapes to all the networks. It was never about loving children.
Also no, they don't need to be grateful for the huge house and expensive shit they didn't ask for. +++++++ Of course the kids should be grateful for their beautiful home and all their other stuff they have. It does not matter that they did not ask for it. Gratitude is a must in life. These kids complain about everything. They are just like their mother. It is not fun to watch.
I really don't understand how they can watch themselves for a decade and not act better. I am surprised they don't try for the cameras to act better.
Kate has said in interviews for the past FEW years that she regrets freaking out and being so uptight. Yet she has made no improvement in that area. In fact, I think Kate purposely freaks out on camera because it adds excitement and action. Think about it, most of TLC ads for her show are of her freaking out and acting like a jerk.
Mady is the only one that seems to have Kate's personality as far as really enjoying her role in the show. The other kids all seem to be floundering. ******* Great post. I wanted to add (and I think I already may have) that I'm getting the sense that Mady is also feeling the responsibility of carrying the show and continuing filming. She is "on" when filming and during the couch interviews. Seems to me that Mady is carrying Cara, knowing what's at stake when filming stops. Her elbowing Cara, trying to get her to participate made me a bit sad for Mady, actually.
Did ya'll catch when the guide said for the kids to pretend like CHICKENS? I wondered out loud if TFW suggested this to the guide, just to rub it in to Collin. ======= I agree that this is a stretch. I don't think Kate is THAT cruel. I really don't.
They just isn't any good explanation for the lack of promotion. There is no reason for TLC to refuse to run ads for it. It's not like someone at the network forgot to run an ad somewhere. The only explanation that makes sense is that TLC wants the show to fail. They are done with it. Maybe because of potential scandal over Collin. Maybe they have had enough (once again) of Kate's attitude. Maybe they realize there is nowhere else to go with the show. Maybe they want to make room for new shows. But they are done either way. ========= My opinion on this is that there may be something in her contract that says if ratings drop below XXX,XXX she's gone. That would explain why TLC is not promoting and why TFW so desperately wants people at the twitter party and why she comments on the late time slot. 88888888 RoxyHelen @35 above said "Sorry but this is a stretch, seriously. I think Kate is a horrible person, there's no need to take things out of context, we have plenty of actual material to work with, I'd say." ======== I agree with you 100%.
FlimsyFlamsy 42 Kate pretty much blame the time slot weeks ago when a fan complained about it to TLC.The sad part is that,if Kate was so popular as some of her fans think she is,then why would TLC give her the 10 pm slot? Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 @NoraSaysNo @TLC I agree! It's on WAY TOO LATE @TLC !!! Kids can't stay up that late on a school night :(
I think there is a good chance she got the cancelled decision months ago, thus very little advertising on TLC's part. The issue with Collin may have made the decision easy for TLC.
TLC and Figure 8 make production schedules very far in advance. We will know for certain IF there is no filming over Xmas break. I really would be shocked if they renew her for another season considering the vast defection of old time fans and the consternation over Collin.
I agree with RoxyHelen. I think it is beyond over the top with the whole "Aaden is blind" thing. He was given a role, that's all. No need to be extra about it and search for a problem that isn't really there.
Of course the kids should be grateful for their beautiful home and all their other stuff they have. ---------- I guess it depends on what you mean by grateful. Sure they should be happy they live in a nice home and aren't living out on the street or a home too small for them etc.
But those kids bought that house with the exploitation of their private lives. Should they be grateful for that? Maybe they would appreciate living in a modest, comfortable house that didn't cost them their childhood. Maybe they are very aware it's the selling of their private lives that affords them all the stuff they have and they would rather not have it if it wasn't for them.
Those kids have it drilled into them that they must perform on the show or they will have nothing, and do nothing. Like Mady said, they will have to stare at the walls all day if they didn't have the show.
I don't think the kids have to be grateful for the life they have in the sense as other children do. Other children have all those things given to them as children and should be taught to appreciate it. The Gosselin kids are in a whole different situation. Their "gratitude" is not the same as it is for other children. IMO.
Tucker's Mom said... 41 That said I'd prefer to hope for the best in that she's toast.
****** If Kate isn't toast, I have to wonder what she's holding over TLC's head! I understand if TLC doesn't cut ties with her, like they did HBB, but filming regular "seasons" is probably done. They'll check in for other milestones if they think there's public interest, and IF Jon is till held at bay and still has no voice. If Jon gets shared custody and gets Kate's sole legal custody revoked, it's game over for Kate and filming.
Maybe her argument to TLC is that it's all their fault that she & her children have become accustomed to living high on the hog, and traveling hither, thither, and yon.
Kinda like when she delivered the 8, and wanted a nurse for more time... What was her excuse? Something to the effect that the system in place owed it to her because they created the fertility drugs that she self administered.
Very Kate-like to blame others for her own stupidity.
I could only stomach about half of the Space Camp episode and had to turn it off before I lost my mind. OMG The episode should have been titled 'Dysfunction, Disorganization and Chaos'.
The kids, with TFW right in the middle, loudly bickered and disputed every single decision that had to be made and in their talking heads they all acknowledge it, yet shrug and laugh about it. I guess it's such a common occurance in their lives they don't seem to bat an eye. Me? I cringed and was embarrassed that they behaved that way - especially on film to be watched by millions (well less than 600,000. HA!) I wonder what the kids took away from their Space Camp visit (other than the space suits they 'lost')? I know what I thought of their visit and what I think the employees and volunteers there thought of it, too! Did they appreciate any of it? SMH
OH, and after 2 episodes of them showing the puppies biting, jumping, ruining clothes and the kids doing everything they say to NOT do with dogs, TFW said they'd had the puppies for 5 months and thought it might be a good idea that they take a puppy class, "whenever I get a chance". But... it would have to wait until the kids went back to school. IOW, it'll never happen.
Mady, for all of the criticism she gets, often is a very insightful young woman. She's had TFW figured out for a long time and knows how to manipulate her to get what she wants. Amidst the chaos at Space Camp with TFW competing with the kids for everything, Mady said "she doesn't understand children enrichment experiences are for children. She always has to do the best part." Yes, Mady and the worst part is that she doesn't think there's anything wrong with that and she doesn't care.
TFW has softened? She's let go of some of her control? Suuure, TFW. Before they left on their trip she insisted the kids clean the dining area floor (which the girls did on their hands and knees with a hand held brush and dustpan) - all while yelling orders for the boys to empty the trash - describing each trash can and where it was located in every room! She even has a designated trash can for the dogs in the kitchen! WTH? She hasn't changed one bit, well maybe her voice is louder and she's added chores to their lists, but she's still the same controlling person. This episode was a perfect glimpse into the pathology of her mental illness.
What an unhealthy environment for anyone to live in. It will be a miracle if any of them make it to adulthood without some serious mental/social/emotional issues. They need intervention and sooo much help.
I wonder if, when she tweets about the usual squealing with delight when the children open their Christmas gifts, she will mention Collin's absence from the festivities. I'm certain if he is permitted to be out for Christmas he will be with Jon not in that mad house they call home.
Kinda like when she delivered the 8, and wanted a nurse for more time... What was her excuse? Something to the effect that the system in place owed it to her because they created the fertility drugs that she self administered.
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Yes, and it didn't work. At least PA had the good sense at that time to see through her excuses and conniving ways. The state refused to cave to her demands.
Hey TLC, here's a new family to exploit: the Baudinet family from Virginia!! She delivered quints 12/4 in Arizona. 4 girls and 1 icky boy.
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I was just reading the story about the couple in Canada who had quads, without fertility drugs, all identical girls. Chances were something like one in 15 million pregnancies. I was just hoping that TLC hasn't reached out to them with the its money-grabbing claws.
Perhaps TLC does not promote Kate Plus 8 on their network because the Gosselins have been on for 10 years. Nearly everybody that watches TLC knows about the Gosselins and have already formed their opinion whether or not they will watch the show. That is the only thing I can come up with. And there is nothing new to promote this season.
The Little People have been a staple on TLC but they have a lot of new changes in their lives. The Roloff's divorce yet they are both living on the same property, Matt's surgery, Amy dating and wanting to open a bed and breakfast, Zack and his wife are pregnant, Molly is graduating from college, Matt preparing for doomsday, pumpkin farming, etc.
The Gosselins have nothing new. The tups are not cute kids any more that say adorable things. Mady is totally obnoxious and Cara is a dud on camera. And Kate's yelling at her kids & every other thing is so old. Also Kate sitting on that stupid couch for 10 years narrating what we are seeing is beyond painful.
So back to what I said. There is nothing for TLC to really promote for Kate Plus 8. The TLC promotion was Kate yelling, screaming, and freaking out. Gee, that's new (NOT!). And TLC's viewing audience knows the Gosselins too well as it is and has formed an opinion whether or not they will tune-in. That is why they are last in the line-up.
I think if TLC decides not to renew her for a new season they will not announce it. I think they will tell Kate but no public statement. But I do think we will continue to see the Gosselins on our screens in the next few years. Whether it will be just specials or new seasons only time will tell. But unfortunately the public will be curious how the 8 kids develop in the coming years; therefore, Kate Plus 8 will be back one way or another. Also the public will want to know how Collin is doing and whether he will appear on any future episodes.
NJGal51 (#71), wow, this is an onslaught of negative comments. And specific ones, too.
What a shock it must be for TFW to find out anyone watches the show for the kids, and not her. And if the fans are so fond of the children, no wonder they're upset to see C gone without a trace, and his absence not even a blip on the radar. "The show must go on" is a theater adage -- it shouldn't apply to families.
I was just reading the story about the couple in Canada who had quads, without fertility drugs, all identical girls. Chances were something like one in 15 million pregnancies. ------ That really is amazing. The Dionne Quintuplets were also identical and conceived without fertility drugs.
The Gosselins have nothing new. The tups are not cute kids any more that say adorable things. Mady is totally obnoxious and Cara is a dud on camera.
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I wouldn't exactly call her a dud on camera. She's very reserved and laid back and it's like she has no interest in being there, but prefers to let Mady be up front and camera-ready.
I don't look at Kate's IG. Has she posted photos of her amazing Christmas decorations, wonderful tree, volumes of gifts and how exhausted she is from all the wrapping?
Why no, nothing at all since her space shot. I wonder if she's whisked the kids off to Wyoming or Montana for the holidays. If the custody case hasn't been decided yet, I wouldn't put it past her to do just that, just for spite. Maybe Andrea was there to help with getting everyone on a plane---not that 12 year-olds should need any special assistance at this stage. Kate, of course, still does.
Lanc Native said... 78 Nora @NoraSaysNo 18m18 minutes ago @Kateplusmy8 Are you and the kids ready for winter break? I'm ready to sleep in!! ❄⛄☃❄🛌💤💤💤💤💤
Ah, Nora. A little slow on the uptake. Kids have been on break since last Friday, so I would assume that they are ready. ****** Sleeping? Man, school breaks were for playing with friends! I never thought, "gee, can't wait to sleep the day away!". The sheep know Kate loves to hibernate in her room all day long.
I wouldn't exactly call her a dud on camera. She's very reserved and laid back and it's like she has no interest in being there, but prefers to let Mady be up front and camera-ready. ***** I used to think Cara was being a dud, but no longer. It's obvious that Cara knows she has to go along with filming and trips, but hell if she's going to act all "rah rah" over it, especially the couch interviews. I'm really rooting for Cara each time I see her stare blankly, inspect her finger nails and pick lint from her clothes!
Lanc Native said... 80 I don't look at Kate's IG. Has she posted photos of her amazing Christmas decorations, wonderful tree, volumes of gifts and how exhausted she is from all the wrapping? December 22, 2016 at 2:02 PM ****** Nada. Maybe she got Jamie and Ashley to put her decorations up for her. I think Kate's holiday decorations are always rather sparse. She's not Martha Stewart and has never shown a knack for festooning the home and pulling off magical transformations.
Tucker's Mom (#84), TFW could never pull off magical transformations because she has no magic in her soul. Or joy, or wonder. If you possess that, you could do wonders with a decoration budget of $5, and a little creativity and imagination.
From what we've seen for a decade, Christmas to TFW means lots of wrapped gifts, and lots of thank yous that she waits to receive for the gifts and the wrappings, and praise from the fans about what a great mom she is for making Christmas so special for her many kids. Did you know she has 8? Well, 7 at the moment.
I am sure Cara is a lovely person. I understand she is very athletic, pretty, sweet, intelligent, etc. I said she was a dud on camera because she is laid back, quiet, and does not add much interest when filming. That does not mean she is a dud in her "real life". I think it is clear she does not like the camera. Good for her. I did not mean to insult her.I think it is great she is not playing up the cameras or being drawn in to the dramatics of it all.
Jeanne said... 85 I am not a pet person. Why do the dogs need their own trash can? That's very odd. Do they throw away the tissues after they sneeze? December 22, 2016 at 3:42 PM******* ******** No clue! We keep a bin outside for poop bags, but other than that, the only dog stuff that goes in our kitchen bins is dog food cans.
Tucker's Mom (83): "I used to think Cara was being a dud, but no longer. It's obvious that Cara knows she has to go along with filming and trips, but hell if she's going to act all "rah rah" over it, especially the couch interviews. I'm really rooting for Cara each time I see her stare blankly, inspect her finger nails and pick lint from her clothes!"
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Yep. I agree. I root for her, too. She doesn't appear to be a dud, but rather the one who clearly doesn't enjoy being a mouth on camera. Good for her.
JusticeForCollin @Sassccha 22m22 minutes ago @DianeMarieL22 @SockieWhodunit @Kateplusmy8 Had cameras permanently installed in their home, incl. bathroom & bedroom - now must perform.
Really? That's the first time I heard about this. There are permanent cameras in all the bedrooms and bathrooms? Where was this disclosed? Do Jon and his attorney know about this?
Jamesvader1194 (60) For all of Kate's complaining about the late show time and how kids can't stay up on a school night to watch it, her ratings were lower than ever before this week. Lots of kids were out of school, and could stay up and watch. But they didn't. Next week there will be even more kids out of school and more people off work. Will ratings go up? Seems like that will be her last chance to pull off some higher numbers because after that everyone is back to school and work, and the last two shows sound painfully boring. So what if next week's numbers are still bad? What will be her excuse?
I like that people who still watch are getting angry about her hogging the camera. So many of the activities they are doing are for the kids, not her. She should have stepped aside and let them do the activities in the Poconos and she should not have done space camp with them. That's her narcissism showing, and people are seeing it. She just can't bear to step aside when there is a camera around, and everyone knows it. Makes us happy, though. Even fans are starting to see what we have seen for years. A narcissistic, self-absorbed fame whore.
From what we've seen for a decade, Christmas to TFW means lots of wrapped gifts, and lots of thank yous that she waits to receive for the gifts and the wrappings, and praise from the fans about what a great mom she is for making Christmas so special for her many kids. Did you know she has 8? Well, 7 at the moment. *** Christmas morning is also all about the kids giving gifts to Kate, too. Don't forget that part. I wonder where Collin will be this Christmas morning. It makes me incredibly sad.
I did not mean to insult her.I think it is great she is not playing up the cameras or being drawn in to the dramatics of it all. **** Totally got that, Leslie ;-) Cara seems like she's be cool to hang out with, but yes, she doesn't make for good television unless you can see the subtlety of her (in)actions. I watch with fascination at this point. You know, when the twins did that now infamous Today show live interview, I really thought what I was seeing was Cara freezing up on live tv. Several tabloid pundits pointed out that Cara (and Mady) were, in their own teenage way, telling Kate to shove it. I disagreed at the time, but now? Oh yeah, I totally can see it. Cara is controlling what she can; her mouth. Actually, she is speaking volumes, and I am supporting her 100%.
Jeanne said... 85 I am not a pet person. Why do the dogs need their own trash can? That's very odd. Do they throw away the tissues after they sneeze? ______ This is Kate at her absurdist height. This is Kate in her "make work" mode. It is utterly unnecessary and ridiculous. Unless it's for poop bags, in which case a receptacle can easily be located outside. Which is, presumably, where they poop. Was the one you saw indoors somwehere, like the kitchen?
I have to agree. The fact that Mady even called Kate out about how the program was for children and not her said a lot. I really think if the show were to continue it should focus on the kids. But to be quite honest, after the tups' 13th birthday (and tbqh they should've stopped with the birthday specials after the 10th birthday. 11 and 12 aren't even milestone birthdays) there probably won't be anymore specials for a very long time. But honestly, that's probably a good thing. Like someone mentioned earlier, the past 3 seasons have been nothing but vacations and birthdays. There isnt much going on with the Gosselins right now. I don't think there really needed to be an 8 episode season this time around. Especially with the vacations and continuing on without Collin really did seem to upset many people.
Anonymous said... 98 . . . But to be quite honest, after the tups' 13th birthday (and tbqh they should've stopped with the birthday specials after the 10th birthday. 11 and 12 aren't even milestone birthdays) there probably won't be anymore specials for a very long time. _____ If Collin's not back, I don't think there should be any more tups' b'day parties for the public. And even if he is, what's wrong with a private celebration? If the idea is "oh they're teens now," the focus of that will be K8 and her "OMG I have 8 teenagers!" freak-out. And no one needs to see that.
I agree that there shouldn't be anymore birthday specials if Collin is not back yet and I agree that a private celebration would be great for the kids. But considering it will be another milestone birthday, something tells me it will most likely be televised. I would hope at that point if they are to do a special, it should be focused on the kids. Not Kate (and something tells me that won't happen).
You have to be kidding me. Devotion, thy name is sitting through an excruciating K8+8 episode TWICE.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 2m2 minutes ago @Kateplusmy8 Just re-watched #SpaceCamp w/hubs! He said he's ready to take you on w/flight simulator game! LOL Warning...he's very good!
Is she still thinking a service dog will help Collin? And that Kate would welcome Collin AND his service dog back in her house? Somehow, I don't think so.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 2m2 minutes ago Just wanted to share this! Very heart-warming outcome! Oh the gift & joy...the value of #ServiceDogs https://www.instagram.com/p/BOVeQq4hbBT/?taken-by=helper_dog_harlow … @kateplusmy8
It's unusual for TFW to be so quiet on Twitter when the kids are off from school and she's stuck with him. But maybe that's why Andrea's there -- to wrangle them over winter break while she goes about her business as usual. Or maybe she did go out of town for Christmas. Or got bad news from court.
Also to the person who asked me if Bullyville losing has anything to do with the reason some of Kate's fans are quiet about Kate's show.I don't think that's the reason,how would mcgibney losing some how prevent them from watching and supporting Kate?The interesting thing though is that none of the Kate fans who supported mcgibney have been tweeting about him,except for that one Kate fan whose twitter account got ban.
If Jon gets sole legal custody of Colin and joint custody of the other kids, will TFMJG have to turn over Colin's trust fund to Jon? Could he force an accounting of what she has used the kids' trust fund money on to date? Would she have to consult with Jon/get his agreement before spending the kids' trust fund money in the future? If so, that will be a big adjustment for her after all these years of having control of the money.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 2m2 minutes ago @Kateplusmy8 Just re-watched #SpaceCamp w/hubs! He said he's ready to take you on w/flight simulator game! LOL Warning...he's very good! ______
There isnt much going on with the Gosselins right now.
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There's not. And that's a problem for viewer interest. If they were at least interesting and had a "story" to follow people might be more forgiving about Collin's absence. But there's nothing else going for them.
I know the family is not totally isolated, but it's obvious they are homebodies compared to the average family. There's not a lot going on for them. Doesn't appear they have a large group of friends, family seems non-existent. Not a lot of creativity going on that sparks interesting things to do each day.
I always compare them to Little People because I think they are more or less on the same level playing field, yet Little People seems to do everything so much better than her. And that includes a rich interaction with their community via the farm, a wonderful group of friends who are over all the time, family members who are an important part of their lives, and overall sense of busy-ness from everyone, and various projects, ideas, and plans always percolating. I do believe most of this is natural, and that most of this they would be doing cameras or not. And these sort of things spark interesting episode ideas and some substance to the whole thing. Sure they have their misses, like this week's stupid episode about a bomb shelter, but the other ones this year have been decent. Amy getting back out there on the dating seating and meeting some nice guys, Matt having another surgery, the twins settling into married life, etc. There is a clear "storyline" happening and evolving and it's keeping a loyal group of viewers interested.
I think it's fair to say it was unclear for awhile whether Cara just wasn't good with cameras or whether there was something else going on there, some kind of underlying rebellion. It's clear it's the latter.
Lots of kids are awkward and uncomfortable on camera. Most, I daresay. Mady is an exception. None of the rest of the kids have her charisma. But even if Cara were comfortable with cameras her silent protests would still be going on. It's intentional, it's calculated, it's the beginnings of taking back some control. Once she knows she can get away with picking lint instead of speaking, she'll move on to the next level and the next. And, the younger kids will watch and learn.
As far as Mady goes, I do agree there's a lot of depth to that child and that she displays a certain amount of emotional intelligence even when there are times she falls short. She may be playing the game right now with Kate but at least she knows she's doing it. It works for her right now, and you bet your bottom dollar the second Mady decides today it's not working for me anymore, she'll be out quicker than scat and take everyone else who wants to go with her. In some ways, I think Kate is afraid of Mady. Afraid because she knows Mady is in charge, not Kate.
Susan1956 said... 105 If Jon gets sole legal custody of Colin and joint custody of the other kids, will TFMJG have to turn over Colin's trust fund to Jon? Could he force an accounting of what she has used the kids' trust fund money on to date? Would she have to consult with Jon/get his agreement before spending the kids' trust fund money in the future? ------------------------- Awesome question!! Admin.. What do you think? Will Kate have to disclose what has been happening to the kids' money?? Ooooh! Very interesting!!
I am not a pet person. Why do the dogs need their own trash can? That's very odd. Do they throw away the tissues after they sneeze? ______ This is Kate at her absurdist height. This is Kate in her "make work" mode. It is utterly unnecessary and ridiculous. Unless it's for poop bags, in which case a receptacle can easily be located outside. Which is, presumably, where they poop. Was the one you saw indoors somwehere, like the kitchen?
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Boy you've got that right - TFW at her absurdist height!
They didn't show it, but TFW was sure to include it in the list of wastebaskets/trash she barked at the boys to to empty before they departed for Space Camp (she must have rattled off 10 different ones all over the house, at least - SMH).
There isnt much going on with the Gosselins right now.
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There's not. And that's a problem for viewer interest. If they were at least interesting and had a "story" to follow people might be more forgiving about Collin's absence. But there's nothing else going for them.
I know the family is not totally isolated, but it's obvious they are homebodies compared to the average family. There's not a lot going on for them. Doesn't appear they have a large group of friends, family seems non-existent. Not a lot of creativity going on that sparks interesting things to do each day. /////////
It boggles the mind that the sheeple do not see the difference between now and then. All these things you are mentioning, Jon and Kate plus 8 had: family, friends,activities(going to friends for barbecues for example). But she has pushed everyone away so she can abuse and exploit the children in peace so now there's no one and nothing.Add to that the fact that they cannot film the children's extra activities(if they have any, except for Cara) and you're left with nothing. Not that J&K didn't have some bad stuff but, entertainment wise, off the top of my head I remember: twins taking cooking classes, kids hanging out at aunt jody's, all the Gs having a 4th a July barbecue at their friend Beth, making Christmas cookies, Christmas shopping, kids doing crafts, kids having special days. Wanna know what I remember from the Kate+8 episodes(the ones I've seen)? : Back to school shopping, kids making a mini movie, kids getting their haircut and kids going to alaska, australia and new zealand oh and the beach but I couldn't tell you what they did there, oh ok the kids threw up on a boat.That's it. I know there have been many episodes but in most nothing happens and they are not memorable at all, because nothing seems to actually happen in these poor kids' lives anymore. I hope to God the judge sees the state in which Kate has brought the kids. I feel like this trial(if it happens) may just be these kids' last chance for a change.
Jamesvader1194 said... 104 Also to the person who asked me if Bullyville losing has anything to do with the reason some of Kate's fans are quiet about Kate's show.I don't think that's the reason,how would mcgibney losing some how prevent them from watching and supporting Kate?The interesting thing though is that none of the Kate fans who supported mcgibney have been tweeting about him,except for that one Kate fan whose twitter account got ban. _____________
I was talking about those fans who got into it with the Twitter 'haters'. Who knows if they're watching, but they've sure been quiet with regard to taunting the 'haters' like they used to. The ones I'm talking are Indiana Annie, CJ (although she sneaks in a tweet occasionally) and others whose names I've forgotten--thank goodness. They thought McGibney was going to prevail. Too bad, that.
Susan1956 (#105), boy, wouldn't you love to see the look on the judge's face when TFW explained that she took money out of the kids' trust funds for monthly spa trips because her (ex) friend Beth told her it made her a better Mommy? Not to mention the life-changing necessity of a fancy new deck: the single-most important decision she ever made for the health and welfare of her kids?
I have a separate small covered trash can for my dog. But it's for the poop bags after we walk. And it's in my unfinished basement next to the garage. If that's what it is and it's in the kitchen that's gross. And so much for her OCD.
The most important thing for me is to make sure poop bags get thrown out in outside garbage cans. Doesn't matter which one. Whether it's a can you find along the walk or your own outside can. No matter how much I tie it up and tuck it away in a sealed garbage can I will STILL smell it if I throw it out inside. I do find it kind of gross to throw out poop inside.
Why on earth would she have a separate garbage can for the dogs? I hope that her puppies aren't pooping in the house, and if they are I hope that the poop-bag garbage can is not in the kitchen. Gross!
Kinda like when she delivered the 8, and wanted a nurse for more time... What was her excuse? Something to the effect that the system in place owed it to her because they created the fertility drugs that she self administered. --- One of the reasons she demanded an additional year of the free in-home health aide was because, per Kate's letter to social services - "In a sense our children (our six 11 month olds) are disabled...They cannot feed themselves, transport themselves up and down stairs or at all, bathe themselves, get a drink when they are thirsty, go to the bathroom by themselves, put themselves to bed or dress themselves."
Not to mention the life-changing necessity of a fancy new deck: the single-most important decision she ever made for the health and welfare of her kids?
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Or if she said that she needed the money to file a lawsuit against Robert because it was for the safety and welfare of her kids. It's on one of the websites or her blog, isn't it?
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 117 The most important thing for me is to make sure poop bags get thrown out in outside garbage cans. Doesn't matter which one. ******* I don't throw my poop bags in others' residential trash cans because they can stink inside or out, and many people pull their cans into garages. Of course, my dogs' poop don't stink ;-)
One of the reasons she demanded an additional year of the free in-home health aide was because, per Kate's letter to social services - "In a sense our children (our six 11 month olds) are disabled...They cannot feed themselves, transport themselves up and down stairs or at all, bathe themselves, get a drink when they are thirsty, go to the bathroom by themselves, put themselves to bed or dress themselves." ****** As opposed to other babies who walk out of their mother's vagina, get dressed and call an Uber.
Rainbirdie...I'm so dumb..,I didn't realize that all 3 of my kids were disabled the first year of their lives...what an idiot I am for doing it all by myself. She truly is a tool!
Tucker's Mom (#122), I laughed my fool head off from you Uber comment!
Wowser (#123), bless your heart, you suffered through your disabled children's childhoods without assistance. Can you sue? That victim mentality of TFW's is still as strong as ever, as evidenced by that Dr. Oz interview.
Tucker's Mom said... 122 One of the reasons she demanded an additional year of the free in-home health aide was because, per Kate's letter to social services - "In a sense our children (our six 11 month olds) are disabled...They cannot feed themselves, transport themselves up and down stairs or at all, bathe themselves, get a drink when they are thirsty, go to the bathroom by themselves, put themselves to bed or dress themselves." _____________ That's so Kate, whining and moaning on the couch for just one more, making everyone around her miserable. Then when Jon gives in, she manipulates AGAIN, this time her ovaries through medication to produce who know how many eggs, and then when she ends up with SIX babies, it's the fault of the system and the babies!
Kate in a nutshell. She's always been that way, always will be that way.
I've often thought that TFW wanted babies, not children. ---- IMO she only wanted the fame that multiple babies would bring rather than the actual babies.
I do not think Mady has "charisma". She's a self-absorbed teen who likes to hear her voice. Charisma denotes a positive description and I don't believe she has talent nor charm that makes her unique and well-liked. She is definitely comfortable with the camera, but her behavior and language skills do her no favors. She puts no thought into how she appears to people; or her mother has her convinced she is a star and she is "cute" with her negativity and whining (just like mom).
@TLC stinks have you notice the people who say they love Mady's personality are teenagers?Im sure they're the same teens who think having Kate as a mom would be the best thing ever.
I do not think Mady has "charisma ==== I agree, no charisma for Mady. But Mady does have more screen presence then a lot of the other kids. But most of that is her big, pouty mouth and bad attitude.
I agree and don't really think that Mady has charisma. Yes, she is more comfortable with the cameras than Cara but her attitude leaves a bit to be desired. When she talked about going in the water and said that it wasn't really for them because it washes their make-up off....say what? In the couch interviews you can tell that they've been pampered with full make-up and a blow-out but I doubt that that's their norm. She is her mother's daughter and out of all of them she's the one that I think will go for the reality "career".
Thank goodness the state didn't give her another year with the state nurse. I am glad they saw through her greediness.
She is suppose to pay back services given to her when she was unable to pay when she could later on in life. She should be at least be made to pay back the one year of the state nurse so someone who really needs it would be able to get it.
If they did give her the 2nd year, persay, and on the THIRD YEAR, what list of disabilities would she claim?
They are now, 3 and they still can't get a drink of water for themselves, because the counter is just a couple of inches too short, dress their selves, they just can't quite close the buttons and they can't tie their shoes because they wear velcro shoes.
Tucker's Mom said... 122 One of the reasons she demanded an additional year of the free in-home health aide was because, per Kate's letter to social services - "In a sense our children (our six 11 month olds) are disabled...They cannot feed themselves, transport themselves up and down stairs or at all, bathe themselves, get a drink when they are thirsty, go to the bathroom by themselves, put themselves to bed or dress themselves." ****** As opposed to other babies who walk out of their mother's vagina, get dressed and call an Uber.
@TLC stinks have you notice the people who say they love Mady's personality are teenagers?
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I didn't notice that. In the tweets that I have read, it's the parents of youngsters and teens who think that Mady is spunky, with personality, and that they get a kick out of her attitude. Many of them say that she reminds them of themselves when they were that age.
It irks me no end when people put their dog's poop bags in my trash can. If I don't bring the trash can in immediately after the trash company pick up there is a little gift in it waiting for me. Now I make sure I am right on it. It is hard when you work. I have to keep the trash can in my garage now, not attached to the house. I don't have a dog, but I would never do that to someone else.
".. Insurance to pay for Angie’s visits is running out, and the Gosselins hope a nonprofit agency can donate about $25,000 to pay for her services another year."
just wondering said... 110 Susan1956 said... 105 If Jon gets sole legal custody of Colin and joint custody of the other kids, will TFMJG have to turn over Colin's trust fund to Jon? Could he force an accounting of what she has used the kids' trust fund money on to date? Would she have to consult with Jon/get his agreement before spending the kids' trust fund money in the future? ------------------------- Awesome question!! Admin.. What do you think? Will Kate have to disclose what has been happening to the kids' money?? Ooooh! Very interesting!! ************************** FlimsyFlamsy said... 115 Susan1956 (#105), boy, wouldn't you love to see the look on the judge's face when TFW explained that she took money out of the kids' trust funds for monthly spa trips because her (ex) friend Beth told her it made her a better Mommy? Not to mention the life-changing necessity of a fancy new deck: the single-most important decision she ever made for the health and welfare of her kids? **************************** Like a lot of people out there, I'd love to see where the money is going, who pays for what, in that house. TFMJG has shown us time and time again that she is willing to spend other people's money--early examples would be her father-in-law buying Jon and Kate a house, paying for her fertility treatments, Beth and her husband treating them to dinner, Dr. Glassman treating the kids to merry-go-round rides, etc. As family and friends were jettisoned to the curb, TLC became her sugar daddy. Remember the pairs of shoes for herself she added at check-out while shoe shopping on TLC's dime and her attempt to get the producers to buy her a ring while shopping on the RV trip?
It sounds like the terms of the kids' trusts are pretty 'fluid' and I wouldn't be surprised if she has gotten used to dipping into their trusts for all sorts of things that should be her responsibility to pay for as the adult/mother in the house. I don't have any problem with the kids' money being used to pay a PORTION (TFMJG is probably still getting a discount at the school due to the number of her children that attend) of their schooling costs, at least for Mady & Cara, as it would be too disruptive to put them in public school at their age. Maybe clothing, computers for school, a portion of utilities, etc. But not the general upkeep of the house and certainly not a la-de-da deck, lesbian or not, the addition of which will only benefit TFMJG when she sells the house in the future. Or maybe it won't because it's so hard to recoup the money spent on home improvements when selling a house.
I hope that when Jon is successful in obtaining custody of Colin and/or any of re: the other kids, he and his lawyer do force an accounting what the trust fund money has been used on and if there was any money used from the trust funds for things that don't fit the guidelines. They should try and recoup any money owed from TFMJG quickly. Or at least put a lien on the house? LOL.
foxy said... 138 It irks me no end when people put their dog's poop bags in my trash can. If I don't bring the trash can in immediately after the trash company pick up there is a little gift in it waiting for me. Now I make sure I am right on it. It is hard when you work. I have to keep the trash can in my garage now, not attached to the house. I don't have a dog, but I would never do that to someone else. ///
That's why I keep a separate small trash can. I dont' want the small poop bags in my big can. They get stuck in the bottom, stay there forever. And I keep the separate can in the basement near the garage because the garage gets hot in the summer and I don't need it stinking up.
Tucker's Mom said... 136 No Christmas IG or blog from the compound. I do hope the house is decorated and as cheery as possible. I wonder where Colin is. It's Christmas!
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I was thinking about that and hoping it's because Jon actually has them for a change. Including Collin
I don't have any problem with the kids' money being used to pay a PORTION (TFMJG is probably still getting a discount at the school due to the number of her children that attend) of their schooling costs, at least for Mady & Cara, as it would be too disruptive to put them in public school at their age.
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"Still" getting a discount? When did they get a discount? They applied for, and received financial aid early on for the twins, but the school has never offered sibling discounts.
I remember at the time of the divorce, she was photographed at the copy machine and the list showed her annual expenses, and one of the itemized lists showed the school tuition. I recall reading it and thinking, yes, that's about correct for their total annual tuition costs.
"Still" getting a discount? When did they get a discount? They applied for, and received financial aid early on for the twins, but the school has never offered sibling discounts.
I remember at the time of the divorce, she was photographed at the copy machine and the list showed her annual expenses, and one of the itemized lists showed the school tuition. I recall reading it and thinking, yes, that's about correct for their total annual tuition costs. ____
The tups were only in preschool then, though, right? Doesn't tuition go up when they're full-time? And would it stay the same for lower school and upper? Seems like the latter should cost more.
Long time lurker. Here's my 2 cents (very LONG 2 cents!!!): Katie Irene Kreider is a severely mentally ill multimillionaire. First-person accounts and Robert’s book have proven, beyond doubt, that Katie has been a narcissistic sociopath with bi-polar tendencies since at least her mid-teen years. In case you are wondering why I refer to her as Katie, it's because that is her name. “Katie” is the name on her birth certificate, and until she gave birth to sextuplets, she was only known as Katie. Jon married Katie, not Kate. Who the heck changes their name in their late 20's to rhyme with the number of children they have? A devious fame whore that's who! We know that at the age of 18, she was forced to leave her parent’s home and moved into her boyfriend’s house after getting an abortion without her conservative, Christian parent’s consent. Therefore, like many of you, I do not believe that she has ever had any issue with becoming pregnant. I do believe, and it has been proven, that Katie manipulated her former husband and doctors in order to conceive and give birth to multiples. Twice. Katie (and Steve) has been intentionally and systematically destroying the lives of 9 people for well over a decade. TLC and Figure Eight have been complicit and have assisted. Many, many more people have been severely and negatively impacted by her cruelty and unwillingness to seek mental healthcare. By now, everyone knows that the “long-time” boyfriend, Jeff Prescott, was only a fabricated tabloid story for cash and TV ratings, and that the “first date” episode was utter BS. There is no doubt in my mind that before the announced separation of “Jon and Kate,” Katie and Steve’s relationship moved from working to romantic. They have been together since. Years ago, a few blogs were discussing Katie buying a condo near Steve’s former marital home. I am not certain if the condo was purchased. But, this would have been a condo for Steve so that he would be able to visit with his teen-aged children. Katie was never going to live there. These two have been lovers and “thick as thieves” since the sextuplets were 4 years old. Katie and Steve have made at least 20 million dollars selling “Gosselin 8” for nearly a decade. And, I think that may be a low-ball $ amount. If Katie is receiving/has been receiving decent financial advice, she should never have to work a real job for the rest of her pathetic life. However, as many of you have commented, it seems as though she believes that there will never be “enough” money and that she wants the fame/admiration of strangers as much – if not more - than money. Frankly, I would not be surprised if they announce soon that they are getting married and that TLC will be airing Kate + Steve + whoever is left. I hope that at least one, if not all 8, will survive and write a tell-all book someday. More so, I hope that all 8 find their way to this blog. These long-abused, used, and neglected souls will know that they are loved and that people have been advocating for them for a long, long, time. Admin, thank you for keeping this blog going. Loyal commenters, thank you for your insight. I often come here to read after a show just to make sure that I am not loco and for the reassurance that I am not alone in my concern for these abused children. Signed: Long time lurker
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_5_uw9TGM3g ======== Uh oh, the Hulford quads now have a commercial. These are identical girls. TFW's head must be exploding now as she tries to figure out how to market the six minus one.
If she is getting financial aid (which does not make sense to me based upon her income), doesn't she have to pay that back like college financial aid? Can the poster who appears to know about LCDS please say if there are discounted tuitions for multiple family attendees of the school?
I think it can safely be said that the Gosselins are one of a kind in this situation, so even if there are 2 or 3 siblings in the school at the same time, their tuition situation might not reflect K8's. Frankly, I don't know why she would be entitled to any "large-family" discount, if such a thing even exists. It is no financial hardship for her kids to pay for themselves to be there if what she's said about putting money in the bank for this purpose is true. A great deal of money has come her way the past 10 years.
I pretty much agree with everything in your post. I've always thought there was more to Steve and Kate than met the eye. The only reason, in my mind, that he came out from behind the curtain in the RV episodes was to get everyone used to the idea that the Gosselin 8 were gonna get a new daddy. Unfortunately for K8, that blew up in her face. Whether TLC cancelled her at that point because they just weren't going there or whether it was based solely on the show's performance has always been a question for me.
We know Steve is still around, but I think K8 now realizes that if she makes this move, her whole story about Jon being the reason for the divorce (how he changed overnight, was running around cheating on her, etc.) inevitably goes right into the crapper. And since "single SAHM of 8 doing it all alone" is her most recent persona (she didn't fly as TV personality, dancer, marathoner, blogger, or sex kitten), a public hook-up with Steve would surely cost her what little fan support she has left. What to do? Steve or the show?
Well, maybe if there's no show, there's no Steve. And therein lies the rub.
I will ask, though, ARE Steve and Gina divorced? Certainly that's not a prerequisite to him basically living with K8, but it does preclude the kind of "committed" relationship she claims to want.
All I can say about Steve and Gina is that both their names are on the house in MD per public tax records. Doesn't mean, of course, they are not separated.
Merry Christmas Eve to all here on 15 min. who celebrate and Happy Almost Hannukah, too! We've got icky rain right now, but things should clear and lead to a relatively warm weekend. Beats the heck out of snow and ice (for traveling)!
I pretty much agree with everything in your post. I've always thought there was more to Steve and Kate than met the eye. ****** Way too many first-hand reports about how Steve and Kate kanoodle, exchange knowing glances and share a certain closeness to think they are just all business all the time.
We know Steve is still around, but I think K8 now realizes that if she makes this move, her whole story about Jon being the reason for the divorce (how he changed overnight, was running around cheating on her, etc.) inevitably goes right into the crapper. ****** Kate would look everyone in the eye and swear up and down that she and Steve never happened until they were both separated/divorced. But, she couldn't whine about doing it all alone and having to be the mom and dad. That storyline would get blown out of the water, as if Steve hangs around as much as he has for YEARS now and totally ignores the kids and doesn't interact as a male role model and figure.
In regards to the dog trash can: what kate actually said was empty the trash in "the dog kitchen". She was referring to the 2nd kitchen that she has in the basement. Sometimes we forget that she has that second gallery kitchen near the sliding doors in the basement. They only show when they are feeding the dogs from it. Which is why ingress she calls it the "dog kitchen" instead of the basement kitchen.
Anywhooo..... That's what she was referring to when speaking about the dog trash can. As you know Kate over complicates everything.
TLC stinks said... 156 All I can say about Steve and Gina is that both their names are on the house in MD per public tax records. Doesn't mean, of course, they are not separated. _____ That's just an asset. Maybe they've already agreed privately to the division of property, and maybe that includes him staying on the deed in order to be responsible for taxes or whatever. Whatever's going on there, it hasn't been a "normal" married situation for a very long time. Not with him spending as much time at K8's as he apparently does. Unless K8 really does just pay him to hang around and "help" her and Gina's okay with that.
First-person accounts and Robert’s book have proven, beyond doubt, that Katie has been a narcissistic sociopath with bi-polar tendencies since at least her mid-teen years.
If it's been proven beyond a doubt, why is Kate going to have a psychological evaluation? Or has that been completed and I missed the results?
We know that at the age of 18, she was forced to leave her parent’s home and moved into her boyfriend’s house after getting an abortion without her conservative, Christian parent’s consent.
I've always taken this as speculation not a proven fact.
Katie and Steve have made at least 20 million dollars selling “Gosselin 8” for nearly a decade. And, I think that may be a low-ball $ amount.
Where is the 20 million figure coming from? I've read here for a long time and it seems most here have commented that we don't know her financial situation.
Long time lurker (#148), thanks for your comment, and welcome.
To all who celebrate, Merry Christmas, Happy Chanukah, Happy Kwanzaa, and Happy Festivus. And if you don't celebrate anything, hope you have a lovely, peaceful, joyful weekend no matter what you do. And thanks as always to Admin and company for this veranda. Your hard work is much appreciated.
If getting financial aid (which does not make sense to me based upon her income), doesn't she have to pay that back like college financial aid? Can the poster who appears to know about LCDS please say if there are discounted tuitions for multiple family attendees of the school?
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Unlike some other private schools, this school, historically, has not given sibling discounts. I wish that this were true!
Someone went to church this year. And posted a photo inside on IG to prove it:
kateplusmy8 One of my favorite traditions! And no Gosselins accidentally burnt our church down- whew! Aaden was particularly nervous lol. He concentrated on holding his candle VERY still!:) 🎄✨ #MerryChristmas
miloandjack2016 So many areas as the adult there that you have to take the lead in! Blessed you are & will be for NOT forgetting spiritual matters in their lives! @kateplusmy8
Why don't to you ask her when's the last time she had these kids in a church? I would guess it's the last time she posted a picture that looked like this, at leat 2, maybe 3 years ago. I'm wondering if K8's now going to try to get her "prosperity gospel" fan-base back. Worked pretty well for her once. :)
Sad but true said... 170 Someone went to church this year. And posted a photo inside on IG to prove it:
kateplusmy8 One of my favorite traditions! And no Gosselins accidentally burnt our church down- whew! Aaden was particularly nervous lol. He concentrated on holding his candle VERY still!:) 🎄✨ #MerryChristmas December 24, 2016 at 10:36 AM ******* Wow that is a very early "kids" service, if that's indeed her church or place of worship. Our Christmas Eve Christmas masses are as early as 4pm-6pm, and it's strongly urged that you only go if you have little kids. Big kids and adults can attend the "Midnight" mass or go on Christmas day. Otherwise, it's everyone just trying to get it out of the way. I take it there's no Collin this year.
I completely believe there is more than security work between Kate and Steve. I have no proof. I don't know what his arrangement with Gina is but there are many people out there living in marriage arrangements that I would not personally like. I cannot figure out how much money Kate has but I totally believe she will never have to work.
Colin is the land mine. There are so many variables. Does he stay gone or come home? If Jon gets him does Kate have to cough up child support? Does any of her actual truth come out (like her abuse, her relationship with Steve, how she has been using the kids' money) or does she continue as teflon Kate?
Merry Christmas to all of you here. I wish you a narcissist free Christmas.
Sad but true (#170), looks like a Hail Mary pass on TFW's part (no religious pun intended). It's been a looooong time since she's mentioned church. The blowback is scaring her. Or else it's just her way of showing the kids are with her, and a big ol' nyah-nyah to whoever thought Jon was going to get them. But it's not Christmas yet, is it? Here's hoping the kids spend a warm, wonderful holiday with a loving parent.
Original T said... 163 In regards to the dog trash can: what kate actually said was empty the trash in "the dog kitchen". She was referring to the 2nd kitchen that she has in the basement. ***** Thanks for the clarification! It made no sense to have a trash can just for dogs (poop!).
WELCOME, Long Time Lurker, and thanks for posting! I tend to believe Robert's assertions because I got the sense he vetted heavily before he wrote what he published. I also think Kate would have sued to pants off of him for publishing things about her alleged diagnosis and abortion.
I could have sworn I read somewhere that while Kate and Jon were still married and were at the height of their popularity or while the divorce was happening that TLC was paying a portion of their school tuition . May not be the case anymore
Also, the tups are 12, so wtf is with acting like they've got no coordination and can't hold a candle? Kate is such an odd bird, truly. If you didn't know any better, you'd think her kids were 5 or 6 years old! "Oooh, I hope my 12-year old can hold candles without burning the place down!" smdh! We get it-there's SO many of you...
Morally and ethically, Kate should have pulled the plug on filming when she knew darn well that Collin would be absent. No super fun best-ever parties or trips without him. She would have redeemed herself somewhat if she had. If she were under contract to film no matter how many kids were there, then she might have had some legal problems with TLC. However, a good attorney would know how to skirt around this. Contracts can be broken.
Her Twitter needs to be taken down. All it has become is a chat room for a few of the non-fans who live there, and her live tweeting isn't generating much traffic, so why keep it open?
I was thinking about all the brown-nosing from past fans, Emily, Paige, Austin, Gypsi, Stale Cereal Lady, etc. I don't see them tweeting. Are they commenting on her IG? Who is left? Milo, Denise (second in command), Carlene, and a handful of casual drive-by fans, and boys with Mommy issues who have no clue what is going on, other than that they are enjoying watching the kids for their own amusement and entertainment.
Merry Christmas from the Lancaster PA Dutch Country to fellow bloggers! May the Belsnickel treat you to good things now, and in the coming new year.
I made a hot rum, brandy, honey and fresh lemon toddy in the crockpot and have been sampling it quire frequently. It's not as good as straight Rumspringa from the keg, but it does come close. We'll see how I feel tonight! I hope the drink doesn't sneak up on me to to the point where I get totally snuckered!
You're right about sibling discounts at the school. They do give need-based financial aid, but no discount for siblings. And when calculating financial aid, they take into account both income and assets (per my SIL).
I have always wondered why Kate did not pay off the house. She has made millions off the kids, she claims to want to stay in the house forever (someone quoted a comment from her--after the deck was completed--that if she wasn't committed to staying in that house before, she was now). Why not pay it off to protect the asset? Why refinance to a 30-year mortgage? It would have been almost paid off if she had kept the original 10-year mortgage. Then no more payments. I don't understand her financial decisions. She has made plenty of money over the past decade. She shouldn't have to still be paying interest on anything. So it really wouldn't surprise me if it came out that she has mismanaged the kids' trusts over the years. She and Jon have both said in the past that there was money set aside for the kids' college. But when the show came back, a "source" said she needed the money for the kids' college. The twins are just a couple years away from college age. Cara said she wants to go to college far away from home. That means out-of-state tuition plus room and board. And she might not be the only one who wants to leave for college. I think if there isn't enough money for it, the public will find out.
In case you are wondering why I refer to her as Katie, it's because that is her name. “Katie” is the name on her birth certificate, and until she gave birth to sextuplets, she was only known as Katie. Jon married Katie, not Kate. Who the heck changes their name in their late 20's to rhyme with the number of children they have? A devious fame whore that's who!
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Nope. That is not correct. She was called both Kate and Katie in school. Moreover, there is no written rule that one must be called the name on his/her birth certificate! That makes no sense whatsoever.
It has never been proven that she was forced to leave her parents' home and that she had an abortion. The amount of her net worth, or how much she has accumulated has never been proven. There has been so much speculation about this that any figures thrown out there are just taken with the proverbial grain of salt. Unless someone has access to her private financial portfolio, nobody but Kate and her financial advisers knows how much she has accumulated, the amount her investments have generated, or how much remains.
JusticeForCollin @Sassccha 3m3 minutes ago @kateplusmy8 Tradition Kate? U haven't set foot inside Church in over 10 years - BTW it's a religious ceremony, not a photo op - #FaceFront
When did Kate post that photo of the kids at church on Christmas Eve? Has it really been ten years ago? I don't remember!
Nice to hear Katie attended her yearly goin' to church with the kids. Who takes selfies in Church? She is nutzzzz. I hope it did not cause too much chaos for the parishioners who actually attend weekly plus the other programs the church offers.
Sad but true said... 170 Someone went to church this year. And posted a photo inside on IG to prove it:
kateplusmy8 One of my favorite traditions! And no Gosselins accidentally burnt our church down- whew! Aaden was particularly nervous lol. He concentrated on holding his candle VERY still!:) 🎄✨ #MerryChristmas *************************** Oh, oh. Blog historians, how long has it been since Katie has posted Christmas church service picture(s)?
I hope she's not thinking of trotting out the religious, God-fearing mother of 8 in an attempt to get on the UP channel. I noticed the 6 Little McGhees are now on that channel the other day and wondered if Katie Irene would try to get on there if TLC cuts her loose.
Now I definitely believe she's scared and could be facing cancellation and losing custody ...she hasn't given God the time of day and now she's going to church...of course! Because katie Irene needs Him. Typical TFW style
Btw guess who's back on twitter and still raging at the twitter haters MsGoody2Shoes21_ @MsGoody2Shoes33 2h2 hours ago Fuck you 24/7 hateful wiitches 👎 #KatePLusMy8
Wow that is a very early "kids" service, if that's indeed her church or place of worship. Our Christmas Eve Christmas masses are as early as 4pm-6pm, and it's strongly urged that you only go if you have little kids. Big kids and adults can attend the "Midnight" mass or go on Christmas day. Otherwise, it's everyone just trying to get it out of the way. I take it there's no Collin this year.
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Kate's not Catholic, though. No masses. The times of services vary with the churches, and there's almost always a family service (early) and then a later service for the adults, around 10 p.m. or so. However, everyone is invited to attend either of the services. We went to the early service at 7 p.m. because I didn't think I'd be awake for the later service. Nodding off here...
The last Christmas service pic I can think of is 2011.
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Kate has the tendency to say things that make the tups seem younger than they are. Hence, why she still calls them "the little kids". They also seem to act younger than they are as well. Imagine when the tups are 15. I couldn't imagine being called a "little kid" at 15.
You're right about sibling discounts at the school. They do give need-based financial aid, but no discount for siblings. And when calculating financial aid, they take into account both income and assets (per my SIL).
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Nope. No sibling discounts. Sigh.
Is Zorro still alive?
Tracking Santa on NORAD. It's better than most of the Hallmark Christmas movies.
Re the church photo on IG, that was posted around 1-2 p.m. today. So unless they were doing candles for a morning service today (and it looks rather dark), she must have taken them last night. I'm not up on these things, is it usual to have an Xmas Eve service on the night before Xmas Eve? Is it possible they're doing more than one service and going again on Xmas?
The previous photo she posted of them in church at an evening service might have been 2011 or 2012, it was definitely after cancellation and before she was resurrected.
You know Milo's reading here. Now she's all #LoveThoseKids, lol.
miloandjack2016 Reflecting on #Aaden's spontaneous dance moves on the #SpaceShuttle, maybe there should be some concern over a possible #SpontaneousCombustion at church? LOL. @kateplusmy8. #LoveThoseKids ❤
Kate's church also had Christmas Eve services on Dec 23. I assumed she went to one of those to post the picture when she did. I'm sure there's been a church sighting in the last 10 years. While I think it's lovely when even occasional attendees come to Christmas Eve services, I really can't agree with Milo. A Christmas Eve service every three years or so is not exactly spiritual development. Kate was the one who said how much her faith meant. If it truly did, she would have taken the kids to church regularly, IMO.
To be honest, what I noticed from the picture was the nice shiny braces in the girl's mouth.
Btw guess who's back on twitter and still raging at the twitter haters MsGoody2Shoes21_ @MsGoody2Shoes33 2h2 hours ago Fuck you 24/7 hateful wiitches 👎 #KatePLusMy8
She was suspended? For what? I don't have Twitter, so I don't know how it works. What do you have to do to get the suspension removed? Apologize and swear that you won't be a repeat offender? Do the Twitter police always believe you?
Hmmm...never saw this one. Insightful. Obviously spot on and NOTHiNG has changed in 6 years. Maybe the judge will be smart enough to figure out that she is FULL of bullshit and is the demon in the demonizing of her kids
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Thank you. I do wonder if her parents pay her expenses or if Kate finagles TLC into it. It's almost as if one or both of the twins need her as a comfort pet.
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I hope Marley's parents aren't being asked to pay for her to go along on the trips. Most likely any extra costs attributed to an extra person would be covered by production like they pay for TFW and family. On the Pocono's episode Mady described Marley as a triplet to Cara and herself so it sounds like she's very much a part of their 'family', but it doesn't explain why she has to go on all of their family trips with them. Maybe she's a bribe to get the twins to participate.
I think the twins and Marley have a very tight bond and possibly sometimes to the exclusion of the sextuplets from activities. Mady said during games or competitions she and Cara are always on the same team (and when Marley is with them, I'm sure she's on their team, too) and it reminded how TFW has separated the kids and pitted them against each other, twins vs 'little kids' or boys vs girls their whole lives. Not only has this given certain groups unfair advantages or disadvantages, but it's been unfair and has taught them such skewed views. I see TFW's influence on their attitudes about things like gender roles, conflict, work ethic, ungratefulness (it's been discussed in this thread @ TFW and the kids) and competition, more and more as the kids get older and it's troubling. I'd hoped they would be showing more maturity and the influence of their peers would be coming through more strongly, but sadly and not surprisingly, I'm seeing more similarities to TFW than not.
I think Steve had a lot to do with the breakup of the marriage. Kate got too big for her britches and wanted to run with Steve here there and every where. Look where that got her.
The glaring drop in viewers between the two other shows and Kate is almost worse than the actual ratings. If they all had pretty low ratings that would be different. But this is a clear message that viewers are making a very active choice to tune out. It's so easy to just leave the tv on that channel. It suggests active, not passive viewers who are tuning out for reasons, whatever those are for each individual.
Admin said...But this is a clear message that viewers are making a very active choice to tune out.
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Yep! And it doesn't help when they themselves (TLC) don't advertise her show. The only time her show was advertised last night was right before Outdaughtered ended, they did a 'coming up next on Kate Plus 8' and ran a clip. Other than that, nothing during Outdaughtered and nothing during LPBW. However, during Outdaughtered and K8+8, they advertised next wks LPBW during EVERY commercial break.
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Good point about the active and passive viewers. It looks like viewers of LPBW, for the most part, are staying put to watch Outdaughtered, but then changing the channel when K+8 comes on. They are making a choice to shut her show out.
This week was the lowest rated ever, to include all the years of Jon and Kate and all the years of Kate Plus 8. Each week the ratings get worse and worse. Just how bad can they get? I think we have yet to see. I predict that the twins' birthday will have the lowest viewership of the season. The worst is still to come.
I have already seen several ads for next week's LPBW (Amy dresses in leather for a motorcycle ride with a male friend), for Outdaughtered (the babies dress up and go trick or treating), plus a few ads for Sister Wives and the Tyler Perry show. Not a single mention of Kate Plus 8. Again. TLC wants the show to fail. I don't think there is any other explanation.
Anyone keep track of advertisers from last night?
Maybe she was thinking of "confederacy of dunces"? Ya know, the people that run TLC?
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Or the people who want to buy bread makers that slice the bread as it bakes.
The dropping ratings are good news. May they continue to plummet.
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Donations can be made at Gosselinbook(dot)com...scroll down. Robert is resting at home. He said he's feeling better. Someone else asked about his kids, he has 3 girls he's madly in love with.
BTW for the sheep who read here, Robert NEVER asked for ANY donations. I'm just making a suggestion since he's been unable to work for a while prior to surgery because of his heart valve problem. TIA
Layla (7) I kept track of the advertisers. Will post soon.
What's funny is Kody treats Robyn the best. It's those other old news wives who really should leave the POS. She pops out god knows how many kids of his then takes off? Good grief.
I always think it's interesting to analyze what went wrong when there is some kind of massive failure like this. Whether it's a failed TV show, election, manmade disaster, etc.
I think it's a combo. I actually think it's a bit of over-saturation. She might have been better off doing one big update special, hyping it up with lots of advertising, and emphasizing it's just one special and you won't be able to catch up again for awhile.
The Collin issue is a huge factor. Huge. I way underestimated how much that would bother viewers. It bothers us but we don't always represent the average viewer. Turns out, the average viewer LIKES Collin, wants him around, and feels the very same "discarded" vibe we did.
Related to Collin, I'm convinced many viewers of shows like this happen to have children with special needs or are at least close to someone who does, and sending him away isn't playing well at all.
Ironically, her discarding Jon so she could keep getting her way is backfiring, because apparently some viewers very much feel Jon should be involved in the Collin issue and helping. THAT isn't playing well either. It took awhile for viewers to see the problem with discarding Jon, but they got there.e
In the end she did herself in. She got rid of Jon to go on with the show. She got rid of Collin to go on with the show. She insisted on as many episodes as possible because she's greedy and wants what she wants, when less would have been more. She has always only been able to play checkers, not the two or three moves ahead that chess requires.
Best wishes to Robert for a full and speedy recuperation.
Apathy is the kiss of death.
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It's hard to know exactly what is the cause of the low ratings but sort of like I was saying before, I actually think it's the opposite of apathy. For some anyway.
If viewers were simply apathetic, they would just leave the TV on after watching Outdaughtered and Little People. But because they are the very opposite of apathy and really care what is happening to this family, especially Collin, they are actively tuning out. They care, and are demonstrating that by clicking off.
I watch Little People still, have always had it on my DVR, and this week's episode was beyond stupid and incredibly scripted. It was just about setting up a bomb shelter for an emergencies. The idea that this kind of thing is what is blowing her away in the ratings is pretty telling.
Good comment from another site:
"It must be nice to be able to take 5 different summer vacations. The downside is you have to take them with KATE. Way to be an immature ass and try to do all the "best" things at Space Camp. Don't put your kids before yourself or anything. This woman is totally embarrassing. Why does she have to make everything into the biggest deal? I get that putting away groceries for 9 people is a large effort. I do a bi-weekly shopping trip for 5 and want to pass out. But the way she speaks to people is not going to inspire good attitudes. Just saying."
I won't believe it until there's some sort of proof that these "seasons" are done, but her ratings plummeting down the toilet can't bode well for Kate.
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In the old days all shows got an official, dramatic cancellation. Nowadays the trend seems to be just stop airing the show, leaving the door open if they ever want to bring it back.
I don't expect this time a "Kate is cancelled" grand announcement. They'll simply just stop filming her. In a way that's bad, because Kate will be hanging on and hanging on hoping for more when it's never going to happen. Sure, she may get an update special a few more times, but unless she can get modern upper middle class kids to start having babies at 19 when no one else is, she's not getting a revival here. I barely know anyone these days who doesn't wait until at least 28, if not well into their 30's, to have kids. It's going to be a long wait for her second coming.
It was confusing because they didn't explain it well, but they did it several times and they all had different roles each time.
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Lately this show is getting lazy on explaining what's happening. I really noticed it in the scavenger hunt. It was hard to follow at times. It really suggests a phone-it-in attitude from post-production.
The mean, cold, loud, hitting parent that Kate is, has produced the same mean, cold, loud, hitting kids.
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Absolutely these kids are the direct result of her parenting style. What's strange is she acts like a given that kids will be terrors. Eh, no, no not at all.
In the old days all shows got an official, dramatic cancellation. Nowadays the trend seems to be just stop airing the show, leaving the door open if they ever want to bring it back.
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Was there an official cancellation the last time the show went down the tubes? I seem to remember that there was, with talk about some updates and specials. Then TLC brought them back and started these darn episodes like the plug was never pulled on the show.
How low were the ratings at that time?
What opportunities? Most of those big trips happened when they were so young they'll barely remember anything without watching the show. Also, plenty people have seen them film and stated that they do a lot of takes and they only stay wherever they are long enough to film.
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That's probably true, the trip itself probably feels whirlwind. But, what's not whirlwind is they get to live in an incredible house on a huge property and go to a great private school. They have plenty of money to afford everything they need and want. They don't want for anything, tangible wise anyway.
I agree with the comment that this is not mutually exclusive. They can be appreciative and have a good attitude about their many blessings, while still not agreeing with filming. You don't have to be a sourpuss about everything just because one aspect of your life is terrible.
The fact is, these kids are vile and ungrateful about their lives, and the reality is, it's not attractive. Normal people who have adversity in their life don't walk around being jerks because nobody cares you got dealt a shit hand. The ungrateful snippy behavior needs to stop, it's not going to lead to anything positive in their lives.
Was there an official cancellation the last time the show went down the tubes?
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YES. I remember that distinctly. Very official. The blog historians I'm sure can point us to it. That's never gonna happen again, watch.
The vast majority of lost luggage is recovered within a day or two, the rest within a week or two. The airlines don't want to lose your luggage because most will compensate you for it, and that's expensive if it happens all the time. Only a tiny percentage is never recovered. You could fly your whole life and never lose your luggage.
I don't buy her lie that the spacesuits were lost in the air. They're somewhere, she just doesn't want to be asked to dig them out and put them on. That's work.
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Ya think? When was the last time K8 took that infamous family poll, you know, the annual one where she asks if anyone doesn't want to film, after listing the things that will "disappear" if they vote against filming?
I also think there will not be a cancellation announcement. When the Toby Willis story broke, it was reported that the family was told months before that the show was over. No public announcement. There are other shows that haven't been on for a long time, but nothing has been said about whether they would be coming back.
The problem with a lack of announcement about K+8 is that fans like Milo will never stop pestering Kate and TLC about more episodes. Fans like Milo need a definitive answer or they just keep pushing.
In a couple years Mady and Cara will graduate. Cara has said she wants to go far away for college. And she just does not seem like she will want to continue filming. Who knows if C will be back or not, or able to film if he is back. The "Plus 8" may not ever exist again. Kate was still kind of a celeb last time the show ended. Not now.
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How low were the ratings at that time?
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Higher than this. Overall, much higher.
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The last time there was a big announcement. It was on August 15, 2011, IIRC. Ratings were not nearly as bad then as they are now. There were maybe 3 episodes total that got less than 1million viewers. The lowest was a trip to Philadelphia, which got 681,000. This season is in a class by itself, ratings-wise. I can't think of any TLC show that has ever gotten such poor ratings. Maybe there has been one that I don't know about, but as far as I can remember, this is the worst. Correct me if I'm wrong.
@Layla even IF TLC does cancel and Milo does start harassing them if there will be more episodes.TLC knows damn well at this point that Kate's fanbase is not a large crowd,as evident in the ratings are.Yes Milo will start pestering TLC if they are going to make more episodes and whats even worse is that even if TLC does announce that they aren't going to make more episodes of Kate then i can see milo and some other fans then start harassing them by trying to guilt them into feeling sorry for Kate like some how they're the bad guys for cancelling Kate.
PA Dutch Mom (192)If they are watching then i would of assume that they would of join the twitter party like they did last season,kinda odd how some of them aren't for this season.Even more odd is that they haven't tweeted Kate in some time.
I'm trying to think if there is any scenario where teflon Kate would survive these dismal ratings. The advertisers have said before they just buy blocks. Not individual shows. Is it possible they're just looking for an overall good number, and a couple throw away shows with lower ratings don't matter much as long as the overall average number is good? For instance as long as little people and outdaughtered do well a third show with low ratings can be forgiven.
It's possible they might think well this is better ratings than a rerun of a more popular show would get and as long as all the shows combined average out it's okay.
That said I'd prefer to hope for the best in that she's toast.
Here is the fairly accurate list of advertisers from last night's show. My apologies---I was only able to see/hear part of 2 ads due to the grandbabies acting up. Looking back over my list, I initially thought that the number of advertisers had decreased overall and I guess they have as there are more advertisers whose ads were shown 2-3 times. There were also more ads for shows on other channels (some of which are sister channels to TLC). The Walmart ads were gone or were down to 1? But more ads were shown 3 times and Toys-R-Us was back as an advertiser. I still say that TLC is playing fast and loose with the advertisers who may not realize that their ads are running so frequently on K + 8 or even running during the show, but I don't see much changing due to 1) the holidays, 2) the advertisers may be happy that their ads are reaching even the low number of viewers on K + 8, and the 3) lack of outrage from advertisers that was shown during the Duggars scandal.
Versace Perfume/Macy's--3
Pillsbury--3
JC Penney--3
Emergen-C--2
Cheri Chocolates--2
Keurig--2
Hershey's--2
Subaru--2
Toys-R-Us--2
Pandora--1
Pistachios--1
Robitussin--1
Halos--1
Conair--1
Healthy Choices--1
Little Ceasars--1
Chapstick--1
Edible.com--1
Zales--1
Fixodent--1
Kay--Jared--Zales--1
Lactaid--1
Dairy/Milk?--1
Walmart? (used We Are Family song)--1
Midland Marble & Granite (local company)--1
LPBW--3
Outdaughtered--3
2 Close to Home--2
Killing Fields--2
Sister Wives--1
My 600 lb. Life--1
Fixer Upper (HGTV)--1
Expedition Unknown (Travel Channel)--1
Sing--1
Collateral Beauty--1
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I'm trying to think if there is any scenario where teflon Kate would survive these dismal ratings. The advertisers have said before they just buy blocks. Not individual shows.
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Most advertisers do buy blocks of advertising, but can specify their ads are not to be shown on certain shows. Which we saw a lot of at the time of the Duggar scandal.
But I do think you might be on to something--advertisers may be banking on viewers not turning the channel right away, staying for a little bit/long enough to watch some commercials. I do think eventually the advertisers will specify their ads are not to be shown during K + 8 as the ratings continue to decline.
Kate had tweeted that "it's actually one of THE funniest episodes yet"? It wasn't. Can I sue?
Holy cow! Thrilled about the ratings. Perhaps in another 2 or 3 shows she may hit the low 400,000's. Kate must be nervous.
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Aaden was role playing a blind person in the water. The instructor gave the kids different roles to play.
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Even so, if Aaden was playing the role of a blind person in the helicopter, his mother had NO RIGHT as an allegedly good mom to holler, Aaden, HE'S BLIND! She is very cruel.
She has really acted like a absolute jackass about her poor son needed EYE WEAR. I wonder if she has already having to start wearing readers herself. That is the first step to having to get your eyes checked and start wearing glasses. It is just a part of getting older.
I know someone who had a friend in school and one girl bullied another girl who was cross-eyed, all through school and when they graduated HS, the C.E. girl went to college and the bully got married. When she had her baby she looked into the baby's face and saw that the baby's eyes were severely cross-eyed.
It comes back around. You reap what you sow.
Did ya'll catch when the guide said for the kids to pretend like CHICKENS? I wondered out loud if TFW suggested this to the guide, just to rub it in to Collin.
But, I know, that is impossible and it was a fluke.
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Sorry but this is a stretch, seriously. I think Kate is a horrible person, there's no need to take things out of context, we have plenty of actual material to work with, I'd say.
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What opportunities? Most of those big trips happened when they were so young they'll barely remember anything without watching the show. Also, plenty people have seen them film and stated that they do a lot of takes and they only stay wherever they are long enough to film.
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That's probably true, the trip itself probably feels whirlwind. But, what's not whirlwind is they get to live in an incredible house on a huge property and go to a great private school. They have plenty of money to afford everything they need and want. They don't want for anything, tangible wise anyway.
I agree with the comment that this is not mutually exclusive. They can be appreciative and have a good attitude about their many blessings, while still not agreeing with filming. You don't have to be a sourpuss about everything just because one aspect of your life is terrible.
The fact is, these kids are vile and ungrateful about their lives, and the reality is, it's not attractive. Normal people who have adversity in their life don't walk around being jerks because nobody cares you got dealt a shit hand. The ungrateful snippy behavior needs to stop, it's not going to lead to anything positive in their lives.
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I can't get behind you calling these kids vile. Seriously, I find it wrong. They are spoiled and poorly raised but vile?
Also no, they don't need to be grateful for the huge house and expensive shit they didn't ask for. They were perfectly happy in the smaller house with less stuff and maybe not now but when they're older, I'm sure they'd give anything to not have the luxuries but to still have their quiet life with daddy and Collin and their nice neighbourhood.
Oh also, they've had the s**t beaten out of them in that "big house" full of fancy things, it's probably a damn trigger for them. They are children who've been exploited from birth, physically and emotionally mistreated. They don't have anyone to help them since their mother isolated them and alienated their father(who's been pretty douchey and hasn't bothered to do much for them for years). How exactly are they supposed to handle this better? No seriously :/
TLC is still making money, offsetting their production costs with her. Unless they lose money with her, she'll be renewed, unfortunately. The time is drawing near, though, with her gang of "8" is disappearing and she needs them for the draw. She is untalented and not likable for a solo act. Hopefully TLC will move on with a fresh talent in 2017.
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But then why wouldn't TLC promote the show? They don't even run ads on their own channel. Even if LPBW and Outdaughtered do well, the ratings for K+8 drag that average down. It would take nothing for them to run ads for the show on their own channel, during their other shows. Reruns of a more popular show might get lower ratings, but they cost TLC little to nothing to run. The production costs are already taken care of. They have to pay salaries, costs for trips and activities, and filming/production costs for every one of these new K+8 episodes.
They just isn't any good explanation for the lack of promotion. There is no reason for TLC to refuse to run ads for it. It's not like someone at the network forgot to run an ad somewhere. The only explanation that makes sense is that TLC wants the show to fail. They are done with it. Maybe because of potential scandal over Collin. Maybe they have had enough (once again) of Kate's attitude. Maybe they realize there is nowhere else to go with the show. Maybe they want to make room for new shows. But they are done either way.
Kate will be mad if they string her along and don't announce a cancellation. She could use the announcement to do another People magazine cover, and to make lots of talk show appearances to cry poor and trash Jon. Instead she would be sitting by the phone, waiting endlessly for the occasional special or for a call that never comes.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 28
I'm trying to think if there is any scenario where teflon Kate would survive these dismal ratings.
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Only if TLC keeps developing such pathetic new content. And even then, it may not come down to her dreadful ratings, the kids may decide they've had enough. I think some of them are very, very close. Blaming what is actually cancellation on the kids not wanting to film anymore might very well be her face-saving strategy this time around.
I actually believe TLC (and every other network) is getting killed by streaming content. I don't think their warehouse of properties is particularly strong in the streaming after-market, so they don't have much cushion to fall back on as ad revenues drop. They might have one or two things worth selling (and J&K+8 might even be one of them), but I can't see too many people wanting to pay for old episodes of My Strange Addiction or LI Medium.
That said I'd prefer to hope for the best in that she's toast.
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If Kate isn't toast, I have to wonder what she's holding over TLC's head!
I understand if TLC doesn't cut ties with her, like they did HBB, but filming regular "seasons" is probably done. They'll check in for other milestones if they think there's public interest, and IF Jon is till held at bay and still has no voice.
If Jon gets shared custody and gets Kate's sole legal custody revoked, it's game over for Kate and filming.
If the show does get canceled (or just never renewed), she and the fans will say it's because of the late time slot. Wait for it.
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@Kateplusmy8 why does cara never talk during the show interviews? She seems totally uninterested... does she not want to do the show?
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Silent protest.
From TLC Facebook:
XXXXXXXX Might as well change the show to Kate plus 7. Im sorry but as a mother of 5 (now all grown) I would of never left one out of the kind of experiences they are all having regardless of the reason. Hire someone to to go on these trips w/ you & work w/ one on one w/ him while your away or whatever if he is to much for you to handle.Yes Maddy needs to be left behind. She is always so condescending. I seriously think this show has run its course. I enjoyed when they we're lil (Except Maddie, she was a brat then to) but its time TLC pulls the plug.
XXXXXXXX She acts as if she one of the children and not a parent sometimes.. i stopped watching halfway through this episode when shes there arguing with her children about not being able to do what SHE wanted on this trip... really?! Let your children enjoy THEIR time be the parent and let them enjoy and not get in the way... even her own children needed to say mom let so and so do it he really wants too.. while she gets upset for not being in charge... smh.
XXXXXXXXX We miss you collin. Your mom is so uptight and controlling it's no wonder you needed some relief. Godspeed son
XXXXXXX All of the apples don't fall very far from the tree, they imitate their mother, they talk to people like their mother talks to,people very disrespectful
XXXXXXXX I like collin he mught have add or adhd but you dont have to send him away she should had help or let collin stay with his dad so he could be on one on one with his dad maybe he need to be with his dad
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Typical comments.
Jamesvader1194 said... 29
PA Dutch Mom (192)If they are watching then i would of assume that they would of join the twitter party like they did last season,kinda odd how some of them aren't for this season.Even more odd is that they haven't tweeted Kate in some time.
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Didn't some of the die-hard fans start fading away when it became apparent that McGiblets was going down?
Deliverance said... 45
Didn't some of the die-hard fans start fading away when it became apparent that McGiblets was going down?
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Yes, but most came back when the show restarted. Some others that are not showing up are dowd24 (the Irish girl who was there from day one on Kate's twitter) and Jeanne Kay, who was around last season but not seen this time. I'm sure there are many more. I think a lot of her diehard fans really do have a problem with Collin being sent away.
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If any episode drops into the 400s, it will be the twins' birthday. That's in 2 weeks.
Last time TLC announced the show's cancellation, the ratings rallied for the last few episodes. Maybe they don't want to see that happen again. It seems like they want to humiliate her with these horrible ratings. They cancelled other shows with much higher ratings. The 2016 version of the RV trip of 2011. Humiliate her then kick her to the curb.
Tucker's Mom (#43), notice TFW was quick to respond to Gladys about A being totally fine, always (or whatever comment she made which is easily refuted with filmed evidence). But what can she say about C and her glaringly apparent reluctance to do the show?
Another possible contributor to low ratings for the Twin's b-day (in 2 wks), will be the timing coinciding with returning to work/school. Most people will go back to work on Tuesday and (at least around here), school starts back Wednesday. So #1, parents are going to be tired after their first day back to work and #2, they'll be getting their kids in bed early so she'll lose the younger demographics.
I predict one in particular twin showing off her bratty-ness in all her glory on that particular episode.
hey can be appreciative and have a good attitude about their many blessings, while still not agreeing with filming. You don't have to be a sourpuss about everything just because one aspect of your life is terrible.
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It's not just one aspect of their lives that is terrible. Those kids are abused by their mother, physically, emotionally, and psychologically.
They are also estranged from their father because of their mother alienating him.
They may also be bullied at school because of their lives being made public, or being famous.
They just lost their brother. They saw him sent away by their mother, or maybe even taken away.
They are made to do magazine interviews, photo shoots, tv talk show appearances.
Those kids may have a big house and vacations but they live sad lives.
Those kids are also being raised by Kate. They follow her example of being rude and ungrateful. They probably had to get up before dawn for make-up and to go over what is expected of them. They may even be told to act up for drama purposes.
Mady is the only one that seems to have Kate's personality as far as really enjoying her role in the show. The other kids all seem to be floundering.
The fact is, these kids are vile and ungrateful about their lives, and the reality is, it's not attractive.
-(But Kate taught them that it is attractive and she taught them since that they were babies this is the way to live)
Normal people who have adversity in their life don't walk around being jerks because nobody cares.
-(The kids right now at their ages don't have a choice to not live their lives in front of TV cameras and magazine covers.. Now when the reach 18 that's a different story.)
I've often thought that TFW wanted babies, not children.
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She wanted a television show about multiple babies. That's why she had them. She wanted a TV show with a hook. The kids were what she needed to get the show. That's why they filmed everything themselves those first couple of years & sent the tapes to all the networks. It was never about loving children.
Also no, they don't need to be grateful for the huge house and expensive shit they didn't ask for.
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Of course the kids should be grateful for their beautiful home and all their other stuff they have. It does not matter that they did not ask for it. Gratitude is a must in life. These kids complain about everything. They are just like their mother. It is not fun to watch.
I really don't understand how they can watch themselves for a decade and not act better. I am surprised they don't try for the cameras to act better.
Kate has said in interviews for the past FEW years that she regrets freaking out and being so uptight. Yet she has made no improvement in that area. In fact, I think Kate purposely freaks out on camera because it adds excitement and action. Think about it, most of TLC ads for her show are of her freaking out and acting like a jerk.
Mady is the only one that seems to have Kate's personality as far as really enjoying her role in the show. The other kids all seem to be floundering.
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Great post. I wanted to add (and I think I already may have) that I'm getting the sense that Mady is also feeling the responsibility of carrying the show and continuing filming. She is "on" when filming and during the couch interviews. Seems to me that Mady is carrying Cara, knowing what's at stake when filming stops.
Her elbowing Cara, trying to get her to participate made me a bit sad for Mady, actually.
Kate has said in interviews for the past FEW years that she regrets freaking out and being so uptight.
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Kate also once said that she and Jon would be married forever...Then she dumped him..SO yeah.
Did ya'll catch when the guide said for the kids to pretend like CHICKENS? I wondered out loud if TFW suggested this to the guide, just to rub it in to Collin.
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I agree that this is a stretch. I don't think Kate is THAT cruel. I really don't.
Did you see TFW come alive when someone said 'act like a chicken'?
She just lit up, and the camera was on her instantaneously.
She was all too excited to do her famous chicken squawking imitation.
Makes you wonder what was said beforehand to the guide that made chicken squawking come to mind....
When the group was standing listening to the guide before the water activity...did you see TFW motioning to someone to get closer to her?
It looked like she was motioning to one of the kids, I think Cara, to move more within camera range.
If TFW had no problem with being lowered in a cage to look at sharks, why would this activity bother her?
Because she would be one of many? And not the 'stah' of the activity?
They just isn't any good explanation for the lack of promotion. There is no reason for TLC to refuse to run ads for it. It's not like someone at the network forgot to run an ad somewhere. The only explanation that makes sense is that TLC wants the show to fail. They are done with it. Maybe because of potential scandal over Collin. Maybe they have had enough (once again) of Kate's attitude. Maybe they realize there is nowhere else to go with the show. Maybe they want to make room for new shows. But they are done either way.
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My opinion on this is that there may be something in her contract that says if ratings drop below XXX,XXX she's gone. That would explain why TLC is not promoting and why TFW so desperately wants people at the twitter party and why she comments on the late time slot.
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RoxyHelen @35 above said "Sorry but this is a stretch, seriously. I think Kate is a horrible person, there's no need to take things out of context, we have plenty of actual material to work with, I'd say."
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I agree with you 100%.
FlimsyFlamsy 42 Kate pretty much blame the time slot weeks ago when a fan complained about it to TLC.The sad part is that,if Kate was so popular as some of her fans think she is,then why would TLC give her the 10 pm slot? Kate Gosselin
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@NoraSaysNo @TLC I agree! It's on WAY TOO LATE @TLC !!! Kids can't stay up that late on a school night :(
I think there is a good chance she got the cancelled decision months ago, thus very little advertising on TLC's part. The issue with Collin may have made the decision easy for TLC.
TLC and Figure 8 make production schedules very far in advance. We will know for certain IF there is no filming over Xmas break. I really would be shocked if they renew her for another season considering the vast defection of old time fans and the consternation over Collin.
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I agree with RoxyHelen. I think it is beyond over the top with the whole "Aaden is blind" thing. He was given a role, that's all. No need to be extra about it and search for a problem that isn't really there.
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Hey TLC, here's a new family to exploit: the Baudinet family from Virginia!! She delivered quints 12/4 in Arizona. 4 girls and 1 icky boy.
Of course the kids should be grateful for their beautiful home and all their other stuff they have.
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I guess it depends on what you mean by grateful. Sure they should be happy they live in a nice home and aren't living out on the street or a home too small for them etc.
But those kids bought that house with the exploitation of their private lives. Should they be grateful for that? Maybe they would appreciate living in a modest, comfortable house that didn't cost them their childhood. Maybe they are very aware it's the selling of their private lives that affords them all the stuff they have and they would rather not have it if it wasn't for them.
Those kids have it drilled into them that they must perform on the show or they will have nothing, and do nothing. Like Mady said, they will have to stare at the walls all day if they didn't have the show.
I don't think the kids have to be grateful for the life they have in the sense as other children do. Other children have all those things given to them as children and should be taught to appreciate it. The Gosselin kids are in a whole different situation. Their "gratitude" is not the same as it is for other children. IMO.
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That said I'd prefer to hope for the best in that she's toast.
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If Kate isn't toast, I have to wonder what she's holding over TLC's head!
I understand if TLC doesn't cut ties with her, like they did HBB, but filming regular "seasons" is probably done. They'll check in for other milestones if they think there's public interest, and IF Jon is till held at bay and still has no voice.
If Jon gets shared custody and gets Kate's sole legal custody revoked, it's game over for Kate and filming.
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Maybe her argument to TLC is that it's all their fault that she & her children have become accustomed to living high on the hog, and traveling hither, thither, and yon.
Kinda like when she delivered the 8, and wanted a nurse for more time... What was her excuse? Something to the effect that the system in place owed it to her because they created the fertility drugs that she self administered.
Very Kate-like to blame others for her own stupidity.
I could only stomach about half of the Space Camp episode and had to turn it off before I lost my mind. OMG The episode should have been titled 'Dysfunction, Disorganization and Chaos'.
The kids, with TFW right in the middle, loudly bickered and disputed every single decision that had to be made and in their talking heads they all acknowledge it, yet shrug and laugh about it. I guess it's such a common occurance in their lives they don't seem to bat an eye. Me? I cringed and was embarrassed that they behaved that way - especially on film to be watched by millions (well less than 600,000. HA!) I wonder what the kids took away from their Space Camp visit (other than the space suits they 'lost')? I know what I thought of their visit and what I think the employees and volunteers there thought of it, too! Did they appreciate any of it? SMH
OH, and after 2 episodes of them showing the puppies biting, jumping, ruining clothes and the kids doing everything they say to NOT do with dogs, TFW said they'd had the puppies for 5 months and thought it might be a good idea that they take a puppy class, "whenever I get a chance". But... it would have to wait until the kids went back to school. IOW, it'll never happen.
Mady, for all of the criticism she gets, often is a very insightful young woman. She's had TFW figured out for a long time and knows how to manipulate her to get what she wants. Amidst the chaos at Space Camp with TFW competing with the kids for everything, Mady said "she doesn't understand children enrichment experiences are for children. She always has to do the best part." Yes, Mady and the worst part is that she doesn't think there's anything wrong with that and she doesn't care.
TFW has softened? She's let go of some of her control? Suuure, TFW. Before they left on their trip she insisted the kids clean the dining area floor (which the girls did on their hands and knees with a hand held brush and dustpan) - all while yelling orders for the boys to empty the trash - describing each trash can and where it was located in every room! She even has a designated trash can for the dogs in the kitchen! WTH? She hasn't changed one bit, well maybe her voice is louder and she's added chores to their lists, but she's still the same controlling person. This episode was a perfect glimpse into the pathology of her mental illness.
What an unhealthy environment for anyone to live in. It will be a miracle if any of them make it to adulthood without some serious mental/social/emotional issues. They need intervention and sooo much help.
If TFW had no problem with being lowered in a cage to look at sharks, why would this activity bother her?
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Because she identifies with those creatures?
For those who watched the episode...were there any other adults at the camp with their children? Or just one overgrown squealing shrew?
I wonder if, when she tweets about the usual squealing with delight when the children open their Christmas gifts, she will mention Collin's absence from the festivities. I'm certain if he is permitted to be out for Christmas he will be with Jon not in that mad house they call home.
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Kate's Fetid Soul (@67) - Good one.
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Another disgruntled fan!
@XXxxxxxx: @Kateplusmy8 I watch your show for the kids, not for you. Please stop inserting yourself front and center. #camerahog
CC, you've said it so much better than me, both in comment #50 and in #64. I couldn't agree more with everything you are saying.
Kinda like when she delivered the 8, and wanted a nurse for more time... What was her excuse? Something to the effect that the system in place owed it to her because they created the fertility drugs that she self administered.
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Yes, and it didn't work. At least PA had the good sense at that time to see through her excuses and conniving ways. The state refused to cave to her demands.
Hey TLC, here's a new family to exploit: the Baudinet family from Virginia!! She delivered quints 12/4 in Arizona. 4 girls and 1 icky boy.
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I was just reading the story about the couple in Canada who had quads, without fertility drugs, all identical girls. Chances were something like one in 15 million pregnancies. I was just hoping that TLC hasn't reached out to them with the its money-grabbing claws.
Perhaps TLC does not promote Kate Plus 8 on their network because the Gosselins have been on for 10 years. Nearly everybody that watches TLC knows about the Gosselins and have already formed their opinion whether or not they will watch the show. That is the only thing I can come up with. And there is nothing new to promote this season.
The Little People have been a staple on TLC but they have a lot of new changes in their lives. The Roloff's divorce yet they are both living on the same property, Matt's surgery, Amy dating and wanting to open a bed and breakfast, Zack and his wife are pregnant, Molly is graduating from college, Matt preparing for doomsday, pumpkin farming, etc.
The Gosselins have nothing new. The tups are not cute kids any more that say adorable things. Mady is totally obnoxious and Cara is a dud on camera. And Kate's yelling at her kids & every other thing is so old. Also Kate sitting on that stupid couch for 10 years narrating what we are seeing is beyond painful.
So back to what I said. There is nothing for TLC to really promote for Kate Plus 8. The TLC promotion was Kate yelling, screaming, and freaking out. Gee, that's new (NOT!). And TLC's viewing audience knows the Gosselins too well as it is and has formed an opinion whether or not they will tune-in. That is why they are last in the line-up.
I think if TLC decides not to renew her for a new season they will not announce it. I think they will tell Kate but no public statement. But I do think we will continue to see the Gosselins on our screens in the next few years. Whether it will be just specials or new seasons only time will tell. But unfortunately the public will be curious how the 8 kids develop in the coming years; therefore, Kate Plus 8 will be back one way or another. Also the public will want to know how Collin is doing and whether he will appear on any future episodes.
NJGal51 (#71), wow, this is an onslaught of negative comments. And specific ones, too.
What a shock it must be for TFW to find out anyone watches the show for the kids, and not her. And if the fans are so fond of the children, no wonder they're upset to see C gone without a trace, and his absence not even a blip on the radar. "The show must go on" is a theater adage -- it shouldn't apply to families.
I was just reading the story about the couple in Canada who had quads, without fertility drugs, all identical girls. Chances were something like one in 15 million pregnancies.
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That really is amazing. The Dionne Quintuplets were also identical and conceived without fertility drugs.
Nora @NoraSaysNo 18m18 minutes ago
@Kateplusmy8 Are you and the kids ready for winter break? I'm ready to sleep in!! ❄⛄☃❄🛌💤💤💤💤💤
Ah, Nora. A little slow on the uptake. Kids have been on break since last Friday, so I would assume that they are ready.
Has the Gypsi sheep tweeted lately or has she deserted the flock? What about Emily and Paige...no manic tweeting during the new episodes?
The Gosselins have nothing new. The tups are not cute kids any more that say adorable things. Mady is totally obnoxious and Cara is a dud on camera.
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I wouldn't exactly call her a dud on camera. She's very reserved and laid back and it's like she has no interest in being there, but prefers to let Mady be up front and camera-ready.
I don't look at Kate's IG. Has she posted photos of her amazing Christmas decorations, wonderful tree, volumes of gifts and how exhausted she is from all the wrapping?
Lanc Native said... 80
Why no, nothing at all since her space shot. I wonder if she's whisked the kids off to Wyoming or Montana for the holidays. If the custody case hasn't been decided yet, I wouldn't put it past her to do just that, just for spite. Maybe Andrea was there to help with getting everyone on a plane---not that 12 year-olds should need any special assistance at this stage. Kate, of course, still does.
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Nora @NoraSaysNo 18m18 minutes ago
@Kateplusmy8 Are you and the kids ready for winter break? I'm ready to sleep in!! ❄⛄☃❄🛌💤💤💤💤💤
Ah, Nora. A little slow on the uptake. Kids have been on break since last Friday, so I would assume that they are ready.
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Sleeping? Man, school breaks were for playing with friends! I never thought, "gee, can't wait to sleep the day away!".
The sheep know Kate loves to hibernate in her room all day long.
I wouldn't exactly call her a dud on camera. She's very reserved and laid back and it's like she has no interest in being there, but prefers to let Mady be up front and camera-ready.
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I used to think Cara was being a dud, but no longer. It's obvious that Cara knows she has to go along with filming and trips, but hell if she's going to act all "rah rah" over it, especially the couch interviews.
I'm really rooting for Cara each time I see her stare blankly, inspect her finger nails and pick lint from her clothes!
GO, NORMA RAE, GO!
Lanc Native said... 80
I don't look at Kate's IG. Has she posted photos of her amazing Christmas decorations, wonderful tree, volumes of gifts and how exhausted she is from all the wrapping?
December 22, 2016 at 2:02 PM
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Nada. Maybe she got Jamie and Ashley to put her decorations up for her.
I think Kate's holiday decorations are always rather sparse. She's not Martha Stewart and has never shown a knack for festooning the home and pulling off magical transformations.
I am not a pet person. Why do the dogs need their own trash can? That's very odd. Do they throw away the tissues after they sneeze?
Tucker's Mom (#84), TFW could never pull off magical transformations because she has no magic in her soul. Or joy, or wonder. If you possess that, you could do wonders with a decoration budget of $5, and a little creativity and imagination.
From what we've seen for a decade, Christmas to TFW means lots of wrapped gifts, and lots of thank yous that she waits to receive for the gifts and the wrappings, and praise from the fans about what a great mom she is for making Christmas so special for her many kids. Did you know she has 8? Well, 7 at the moment.
I am sure Cara is a lovely person. I understand she is very athletic, pretty, sweet, intelligent, etc. I said she was a dud on camera because she is laid back, quiet, and does not add much interest when filming. That does not mean she is a dud in her "real life". I think it is clear she does not like the camera. Good for her. I did not mean to insult her.I think it is great she is not playing up the cameras or being drawn in to the dramatics of it all.
Jeanne said... 85
I am not a pet person. Why do the dogs need their own trash can? That's very odd. Do they throw away the tissues after they sneeze?
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No clue! We keep a bin outside for poop bags, but other than that, the only dog stuff that goes in our kitchen bins is dog food cans.
Tucker's Mom (83): "I used to think Cara was being a dud, but no longer. It's obvious that Cara knows she has to go along with filming and trips, but hell if she's going to act all "rah rah" over it, especially the couch interviews.
I'm really rooting for Cara each time I see her stare blankly, inspect her finger nails and pick lint from her clothes!"
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Yep. I agree. I root for her, too. She doesn't appear to be a dud, but rather the one who clearly doesn't enjoy being a mouth on camera. Good for her.
JusticeForCollin @Sassccha 22m22 minutes ago
@DianeMarieL22 @SockieWhodunit @Kateplusmy8 Had cameras permanently installed in their home, incl. bathroom & bedroom - now must perform.
Really? That's the first time I heard about this. There are permanent cameras in all the bedrooms and bathrooms? Where was this disclosed? Do Jon and his attorney know about this?
Jamesvader1194 (60)
For all of Kate's complaining about the late show time and how kids can't stay up on a school night to watch it, her ratings were lower than ever before this week. Lots of kids were out of school, and could stay up and watch. But they didn't. Next week there will be even more kids out of school and more people off work. Will ratings go up? Seems like that will be her last chance to pull off some higher numbers because after that everyone is back to school and work, and the last two shows sound painfully boring. So what if next week's numbers are still bad? What will be her excuse?
I like that people who still watch are getting angry about her hogging the camera. So many of the activities they are doing are for the kids, not her. She should have stepped aside and let them do the activities in the Poconos and she should not have done space camp with them. That's her narcissism showing, and people are seeing it. She just can't bear to step aside when there is a camera around, and everyone knows it. Makes us happy, though. Even fans are starting to see what we have seen for years. A narcissistic, self-absorbed fame whore.
Sherri 66....what does IOW stand for?
From what we've seen for a decade, Christmas to TFW means lots of wrapped gifts, and lots of thank yous that she waits to receive for the gifts and the wrappings, and praise from the fans about what a great mom she is for making Christmas so special for her many kids. Did you know she has 8? Well, 7 at the moment.
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Christmas morning is also all about the kids giving gifts to Kate, too. Don't forget that part.
I wonder where Collin will be this Christmas morning. It makes me incredibly sad.
Top parenting fears:
1990s: I hope my kids don't do drugs
2000s: I hope they don't go to jail.
2010s: I hope they don't go on reality TV
I did not mean to insult her.I think it is great she is not playing up the cameras or being drawn in to the dramatics of it all.
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Totally got that, Leslie ;-)
Cara seems like she's be cool to hang out with, but yes, she doesn't make for good television unless you can see the subtlety of her (in)actions.
I watch with fascination at this point.
You know, when the twins did that now infamous Today show live interview, I really thought what I was seeing was Cara freezing up on live tv. Several tabloid pundits pointed out that Cara (and Mady) were, in their own teenage way, telling Kate to shove it.
I disagreed at the time, but now? Oh yeah, I totally can see it.
Cara is controlling what she can; her mouth.
Actually, she is speaking volumes, and I am supporting her 100%.
Jeanne said... 85
I am not a pet person. Why do the dogs need their own trash can? That's very odd. Do they throw away the tissues after they sneeze?
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This is Kate at her absurdist height. This is Kate in her "make work" mode. It is utterly unnecessary and ridiculous. Unless it's for poop bags, in which case a receptacle can easily be located outside. Which is, presumably, where they poop. Was the one you saw indoors somwehere, like the kitchen?
Maybe C is quiet because she is silently logging information for her book.
Less than 2 years until those girls turn 18.
K+5 -- not too catchy, is it?
Layla (91),
I have to agree. The fact that Mady even called Kate out about how the program was for children and not her said a lot. I really think if the show were to continue it should focus on the kids. But to be quite honest, after the tups' 13th birthday (and tbqh they should've stopped with the birthday specials after the 10th birthday. 11 and 12 aren't even milestone birthdays) there probably won't be anymore specials for a very long time. But honestly, that's probably a good thing. Like someone mentioned earlier, the past 3 seasons have been nothing but vacations and birthdays. There isnt much going on with the Gosselins right now. I don't think there really needed to be an 8 episode season this time around. Especially with the vacations and continuing on without Collin really did seem to upset many people.
-ajw
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. . . But to be quite honest, after the tups' 13th birthday (and tbqh they should've stopped with the birthday specials after the 10th birthday. 11 and 12 aren't even milestone birthdays) there probably won't be anymore specials for a very long time.
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If Collin's not back, I don't think there should be any more tups' b'day parties for the public. And even if he is, what's wrong with a private celebration? If the idea is "oh they're teens now," the focus of that will be K8 and her "OMG I have 8 teenagers!" freak-out. And no one needs to see that.
Sad but true (99),
I agree that there shouldn't be anymore birthday specials if Collin is not back yet and I agree that a private celebration would be great for the kids. But considering it will be another milestone birthday, something tells me it will most likely be televised. I would hope at that point if they are to do a special, it should be focused on the kids. Not Kate (and something tells me that won't happen).
-ajw
You have to be kidding me. Devotion, thy name is sitting through an excruciating K8+8 episode TWICE.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 2m2 minutes ago
@Kateplusmy8 Just re-watched #SpaceCamp w/hubs! He said he's ready to take you on w/flight simulator game! LOL Warning...he's very good!
Is she still thinking a service dog will help Collin? And that Kate would welcome Collin AND his service dog back in her house? Somehow, I don't think so.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 2m2 minutes ago
Just wanted to share this! Very heart-warming outcome! Oh the gift & joy...the value of #ServiceDogs https://www.instagram.com/p/BOVeQq4hbBT/?taken-by=helper_dog_harlow … @kateplusmy8
It's unusual for TFW to be so quiet on Twitter when the kids are off from school and she's stuck with him. But maybe that's why Andrea's there -- to wrangle them over winter break while she goes about her business as usual. Or maybe she did go
out of town for Christmas. Or got bad news from court.
Also to the person who asked me if Bullyville losing has anything to do with the reason some of Kate's fans are quiet about Kate's show.I don't think that's the reason,how would mcgibney losing some how prevent them from watching and supporting Kate?The interesting thing though is that none of the Kate fans who supported mcgibney have been tweeting about him,except for that one Kate fan whose twitter account got ban.
If Jon gets sole legal custody of Colin and joint custody of the other kids, will TFMJG have to turn over Colin's trust fund to Jon? Could he force an accounting of what she has used the kids' trust fund money on to date? Would she have to consult with Jon/get his agreement before spending the kids' trust fund money in the future? If so, that will be a big adjustment for her after all these years of having control of the money.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 2m2 minutes ago
@Kateplusmy8 Just re-watched #SpaceCamp w/hubs! He said he's ready to take you on w/flight simulator game! LOL Warning...he's very good!
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Careful Milo...Kate's a man thief.
Also, if she is found guilty of abusing Colin, she could lose her nursing license or at least face some sort of sanction.
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There's not. And that's a problem for viewer interest. If they were at least interesting and had a "story" to follow people might be more forgiving about Collin's absence. But there's nothing else going for them.
I know the family is not totally isolated, but it's obvious they are homebodies compared to the average family. There's not a lot going on for them. Doesn't appear they have a large group of friends, family seems non-existent. Not a lot of creativity going on that sparks interesting things to do each day.
I always compare them to Little People because I think they are more or less on the same level playing field, yet Little People seems to do everything so much better than her. And that includes a rich interaction with their community via the farm, a wonderful group of friends who are over all the time, family members who are an important part of their lives, and overall sense of busy-ness from everyone, and various projects, ideas, and plans always percolating. I do believe most of this is natural, and that most of this they would be doing cameras or not. And these sort of things spark interesting episode ideas and some substance to the whole thing. Sure they have their misses, like this week's stupid episode about a bomb shelter, but the other ones this year have been decent. Amy getting back out there on the dating seating and meeting some nice guys, Matt having another surgery, the twins settling into married life, etc. There is a clear "storyline" happening and evolving and it's keeping a loyal group of viewers interested.
I think it's fair to say it was unclear for awhile whether Cara just wasn't good with cameras or whether there was something else going on there, some kind of underlying rebellion. It's clear it's the latter.
Lots of kids are awkward and uncomfortable on camera. Most, I daresay. Mady is an exception. None of the rest of the kids have her charisma. But even if Cara were comfortable with cameras her silent protests would still be going on. It's intentional, it's calculated, it's the beginnings of taking back some control. Once she knows she can get away with picking lint instead of speaking, she'll move on to the next level and the next. And, the younger kids will watch and learn.
As far as Mady goes, I do agree there's a lot of depth to that child and that she displays a certain amount of emotional intelligence even when there are times she falls short. She may be playing the game right now with Kate but at least she knows she's doing it. It works for her right now, and you bet your bottom dollar the second Mady decides today it's not working for me anymore, she'll be out quicker than scat and take everyone else who wants to go with her. In some ways, I think Kate is afraid of Mady. Afraid because she knows Mady is in charge, not Kate.
Susan1956 said... 105
If Jon gets sole legal custody of Colin and joint custody of the other kids, will TFMJG have to turn over Colin's trust fund to Jon? Could he force an accounting of what she has used the kids' trust fund money on to date? Would she have to consult with Jon/get his agreement before spending the kids' trust fund money in the future? -------------------------
Awesome question!! Admin.. What do you think? Will Kate have to disclose what has been happening to the kids' money?? Ooooh! Very interesting!!
what does IOW stand for?
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I am not a pet person. Why do the dogs need their own trash can? That's very odd. Do they throw away the tissues after they sneeze?
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This is Kate at her absurdist height. This is Kate in her "make work" mode. It is utterly unnecessary and ridiculous. Unless it's for poop bags, in which case a receptacle can easily be located outside. Which is, presumably, where they poop. Was the one you saw indoors somwehere, like the kitchen?
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Boy you've got that right - TFW at her absurdist height!
They didn't show it, but TFW was sure to include it in the list of wastebaskets/trash she barked at the boys to to empty before they departed for Space Camp (she must have rattled off 10 different ones all over the house, at least - SMH).
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 108
There isnt much going on with the Gosselins right now.
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There's not. And that's a problem for viewer interest. If they were at least interesting and had a "story" to follow people might be more forgiving about Collin's absence. But there's nothing else going for them.
I know the family is not totally isolated, but it's obvious they are homebodies compared to the average family. There's not a lot going on for them. Doesn't appear they have a large group of friends, family seems non-existent. Not a lot of creativity going on that sparks interesting things to do each day.
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It boggles the mind that the sheeple do not see the difference between now and then. All these things you are mentioning, Jon and Kate plus 8 had: family, friends,activities(going to friends for barbecues for example). But she has pushed everyone away so she can abuse and exploit the children in peace so now there's no one and nothing.Add to that the fact that they cannot film the children's extra activities(if they have any, except for Cara) and you're left with nothing. Not that J&K didn't have some bad stuff but, entertainment wise, off the top of my head I remember: twins taking cooking classes, kids hanging out at aunt jody's, all the Gs having a 4th a July barbecue at their friend Beth, making Christmas cookies, Christmas shopping, kids doing crafts, kids having special days. Wanna know what I remember from the Kate+8 episodes(the ones I've seen)? : Back to school shopping, kids making a mini movie, kids getting their haircut and kids going to alaska, australia and new zealand oh and the beach but I couldn't tell you what they did there, oh ok the kids threw up on a boat.That's it. I know there have been many episodes but in most nothing happens and they are not memorable at all, because nothing seems to actually happen in these poor kids' lives anymore. I hope to God the judge sees the state in which Kate has brought the kids. I feel like this trial(if it happens) may just be these kids' last chance for a change.
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Also to the person who asked me if Bullyville losing has anything to do with the reason some of Kate's fans are quiet about Kate's show.I don't think that's the reason,how would mcgibney losing some how prevent them from watching and supporting Kate?The interesting thing though is that none of the Kate fans who supported mcgibney have been tweeting about him,except for that one Kate fan whose twitter account got ban.
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I was talking about those fans who got into it with the Twitter 'haters'. Who knows if they're watching, but they've sure been quiet with regard to taunting the 'haters' like they used to. The ones I'm talking are Indiana Annie, CJ (although she sneaks in a tweet occasionally) and others whose names I've forgotten--thank goodness. They thought McGibney was going to prevail. Too bad, that.
Susan1956 (#105), boy, wouldn't you love to see the look on the judge's face when TFW explained that she took money out of the kids' trust funds for monthly spa trips because her (ex) friend Beth told her it made her a better Mommy? Not to mention the life-changing necessity of a fancy new deck:
the single-most important decision she ever made for the health and welfare of her kids?
I have a separate small covered trash can for my dog. But it's for the poop bags after we walk. And it's in my unfinished basement next to the garage. If that's what it is and it's in the kitchen that's gross. And so much for her OCD.
The most important thing for me is to make sure poop bags get thrown out in outside garbage cans. Doesn't matter which one. Whether it's a can you find along the walk or your own outside can. No matter how much I tie it up and tuck it away in a sealed garbage can I will STILL smell it if I throw it out inside. I do find it kind of gross to throw out poop inside.
Why on earth would she have a separate garbage can for the dogs? I hope that her puppies aren't pooping in the house, and if they are I hope that the poop-bag garbage can is not in the kitchen. Gross!
Kinda like when she delivered the 8, and wanted a nurse for more time... What was her excuse? Something to the effect that the system in place owed it to her because they created the fertility drugs that she self administered.
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One of the reasons she demanded an additional year of the free in-home health aide was because, per Kate's letter to social services - "In a sense our children (our six 11 month olds) are disabled...They cannot feed themselves, transport themselves up and down stairs or at all, bathe themselves, get a drink when they are thirsty, go to the bathroom by themselves, put themselves to bed or dress themselves."
Not to mention the life-changing necessity of a fancy new deck:
the single-most important decision she ever made for the health and welfare of her kids?
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Or if she said that she needed the money to file a lawsuit against Robert because it was for the safety and welfare of her kids. It's on one of the websites or her blog, isn't it?
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 117
The most important thing for me is to make sure poop bags get thrown out in outside garbage cans. Doesn't matter which one.
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I don't throw my poop bags in others' residential trash cans because they can stink inside or out, and many people pull their cans into garages.
Of course, my dogs' poop don't stink ;-)
One of the reasons she demanded an additional year of the free in-home health aide was because, per Kate's letter to social services - "In a sense our children (our six 11 month olds) are disabled...They cannot feed themselves, transport themselves up and down stairs or at all, bathe themselves, get a drink when they are thirsty, go to the bathroom by themselves, put themselves to bed or dress themselves."
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As opposed to other babies who walk out of their mother's vagina, get dressed and call an Uber.
Rainbirdie...I'm so dumb..,I didn't realize that all 3 of my kids were disabled the first year of their lives...what an idiot I am for doing it all by myself. She truly is a tool!
Tucker's Mom (#122), I laughed my fool head off from you Uber comment!
Wowser (#123), bless your heart, you suffered through your disabled children's childhoods without assistance. Can you sue? That victim mentality of TFW's is still as strong as ever, as evidenced by that Dr. Oz interview.
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One of the reasons she demanded an additional year of the free in-home health aide was because, per Kate's letter to social services - "In a sense our children (our six 11 month olds) are disabled...They cannot feed themselves, transport themselves up and down stairs or at all, bathe themselves, get a drink when they are thirsty, go to the bathroom by themselves, put themselves to bed or dress themselves."
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That's so Kate, whining and moaning on the couch for just one more, making everyone around her miserable. Then when Jon gives in, she manipulates AGAIN, this time her ovaries through medication to produce who know how many eggs, and then when she ends up with SIX babies, it's the fault of the system and the babies!
Kate in a nutshell. She's always been that way, always will be that way.
I've often thought that TFW wanted babies, not children.
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IMO she only wanted the fame that multiple babies would bring rather than the actual babies.
I do not think Mady has "charisma". She's a self-absorbed teen who likes to hear her voice. Charisma denotes a positive description and I don't believe she has talent nor charm that makes her unique and well-liked. She is definitely comfortable with the camera, but her behavior and language skills do her no favors. She puts no thought into how she appears to people; or her mother has her convinced she is a star and she is "cute" with her negativity and whining (just like mom).
@TLC stinks have you notice the people who say they love Mady's personality are teenagers?Im sure they're the same teens who think having Kate as a mom would be the best thing ever.
I do not think Mady has "charisma
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I agree, no charisma for Mady. But Mady does have more screen presence then a lot of the other kids. But most of that is her big, pouty mouth and bad attitude.
I agree and don't really think that Mady has charisma. Yes, she is more comfortable with the cameras than Cara but her attitude leaves a bit to be desired. When she talked about going in the water and said that it wasn't really for them because it washes their make-up off....say what? In the couch interviews you can tell that they've been pampered with full make-up and a blow-out but I doubt that that's their norm. She is her mother's daughter and out of all of them she's the one that I think will go for the reality "career".
Thank goodness the state didn't give her another year with the state nurse. I am glad they saw through her greediness.
She is suppose to pay back services given to her when she was unable to pay when she could later on in life. She should be at least be made to pay back the one year of the state nurse so someone who really needs it would be able to get it.
If they did give her the 2nd year, persay, and on the THIRD YEAR, what list of disabilities would she claim?
They are now, 3 and they still can't get a drink of water for themselves, because the counter is just a couple of inches too short, dress their selves, they just can't quite close the buttons and they can't tie their shoes because they wear velcro shoes.
Tucker's Mom said... 122
One of the reasons she demanded an additional year of the free in-home health aide was because, per Kate's letter to social services - "In a sense our children (our six 11 month olds) are disabled...They cannot feed themselves, transport themselves up and down stairs or at all, bathe themselves, get a drink when they are thirsty, go to the bathroom by themselves, put themselves to bed or dress themselves."
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As opposed to other babies who walk out of their mother's vagina, get dressed and call an Uber.
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Hahaha!! Well, there ya go....
Leave it to Khate to even think of that argument.
Her nuts must be the size of wrecking balls.
Oh, no! Princess Leah!
Carrie Fisher suffers a massive heart attack on a flight from London to LA, 15 minutes before landing at the airport.
http://www.tmz.com/2016/12/23/carrie-fisher-heart-attack-plane/
@TLC stinks have you notice the people who say they love Mady's personality are teenagers?
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I didn't notice that. In the tweets that I have read, it's the parents of youngsters and teens who think that Mady is spunky, with personality, and that they get a kick out of her attitude. Many of them say that she reminds them of themselves when they were that age.
As opposed to other babies who walk out of their mother's vagina, get dressed and call an Uber.
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LOL! And then sign a contract to be on a reality show. Of course, they can't yet write their names, so they use a crayon and make a X.
No Christmas IG or blog from the compound. I do hope the house is decorated and as cheery as possible.
I wonder where Colin is. It's Christmas!
The daughter on Litte People, Big World is engaged. So they have a pregnancy and an engagement.
It irks me no end when people put their dog's poop bags in my trash can. If I don't bring the trash can in immediately after the trash company pick up there is a little gift in it waiting for me. Now I make sure I am right on it. It is hard when you work. I have to keep the trash can in my garage now, not attached to the house. I don't have a dog, but I would never do that to someone else.
122... which reminded me...
".. Insurance to pay for Angie’s visits is running out, and the Gosselins hope a nonprofit agency can donate about $25,000 to pay for her services another year."
http://www2.readingeagle.com/article.aspx?id=140509
just wondering said... 110
Susan1956 said... 105
If Jon gets sole legal custody of Colin and joint custody of the other kids, will TFMJG have to turn over Colin's trust fund to Jon? Could he force an accounting of what she has used the kids' trust fund money on to date? Would she have to consult with Jon/get his agreement before spending the kids' trust fund money in the future? -------------------------
Awesome question!! Admin.. What do you think? Will Kate have to disclose what has been happening to the kids' money?? Ooooh! Very interesting!!
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FlimsyFlamsy said... 115
Susan1956 (#105), boy, wouldn't you love to see the look on the judge's face when TFW explained that she took money out of the kids' trust funds for monthly spa trips because her (ex) friend Beth told her it made her a better Mommy? Not to mention the life-changing necessity of a fancy new deck: the single-most important decision she ever made for the health and welfare of her kids?
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Like a lot of people out there, I'd love to see where the money is going, who pays for what, in that house. TFMJG has shown us time and time again that she is willing to spend other people's money--early examples would be her father-in-law buying Jon and Kate a house, paying for her fertility treatments, Beth and her husband treating them to dinner, Dr. Glassman treating the kids to merry-go-round rides, etc. As family and friends were jettisoned to the curb, TLC became her sugar daddy. Remember the pairs of shoes for herself she added at check-out while shoe shopping on TLC's dime and her attempt to get the producers to buy her a ring while shopping on the RV trip?
It sounds like the terms of the kids' trusts are pretty 'fluid' and I wouldn't be surprised if she has gotten used to dipping into their trusts for all sorts of things that should be her responsibility to pay for as the adult/mother in the house. I don't have any problem with the kids' money being used to pay a PORTION (TFMJG is probably still getting a discount at the school due to the number of her children that attend) of their schooling costs, at least for Mady & Cara, as it would be too disruptive to put them in public school at their age.
Maybe clothing, computers for school, a portion of utilities, etc. But not the general upkeep of the house and certainly not a la-de-da deck, lesbian or not, the addition of which will only benefit TFMJG when she sells the house in the future. Or maybe it won't because it's so hard to recoup the money spent on home improvements when selling a house.
I hope that when Jon is successful in obtaining custody of Colin and/or any of re: the other kids, he and his lawyer do force an accounting what the trust fund money has been used on and if there was any money used from the trust funds for things that don't fit the guidelines. They should try and recoup any money owed from TFMJG quickly. Or at least put a lien on the house? LOL.
foxy said... 138
It irks me no end when people put their dog's poop bags in my trash can. If I don't bring the trash can in immediately after the trash company pick up there is a little gift in it waiting for me. Now I make sure I am right on it. It is hard when you work. I have to keep the trash can in my garage now, not attached to the house. I don't have a dog, but I would never do that to someone else.
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That's why I keep a separate small trash can. I dont' want the small poop bags in my big can. They get stuck in the bottom, stay there forever. And I keep the separate can in the basement near the garage because the garage gets hot in the summer and I don't need it stinking up.
Tucker's Mom said... 136
No Christmas IG or blog from the compound. I do hope the house is decorated and as cheery as possible.
I wonder where Colin is. It's Christmas!
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I was thinking about that and hoping it's because Jon actually has them for a change. Including Collin
By then, the twins would be in kindergarten and Kate said she could handle the babies during the day.
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Yes, we know how you handled it. You documented it in Mommy's Journal.
“We can’t afford to pay for her, yet I can’t do this by myself,” Kate said of Angie. “To remove her would be like removing one arm."
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Who on earth talks like this? She is certifiable!
Afters months and months of unemployment, Jonathan said he relished the time at home with his young family.
“I wouldn’t have traded that for a million dollars,” he said.
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Now, we all know what TFW would say. Where's the certified check?
I thought she lived by the motto, You get what you get and you don't get upset!
She sounds horrible in that article from what we know all these years later!
She is such a hipocrit!
Maybe TFW and Steve went somewhere cozy and Jon has all of the kids for a few days. That would be a Miracle!
I don't have any problem with the kids' money being used to pay a PORTION (TFMJG is probably still getting a discount at the school due to the number of her children that attend) of their schooling costs, at least for Mady & Cara, as it would be too disruptive to put them in public school at their age.
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"Still" getting a discount? When did they get a discount? They applied for, and received financial aid early on for the twins, but the school has never offered sibling discounts.
I remember at the time of the divorce, she was photographed at the copy machine and the list showed her annual expenses, and one of the itemized lists showed the school tuition. I recall reading it and thinking, yes, that's about correct for their total annual tuition costs.
Lanc Native said... 145
"Still" getting a discount? When did they get a discount? They applied for, and received financial aid early on for the twins, but the school has never offered sibling discounts.
I remember at the time of the divorce, she was photographed at the copy machine and the list showed her annual expenses, and one of the itemized lists showed the school tuition. I recall reading it and thinking, yes, that's about correct for their total annual tuition costs.
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The tups were only in preschool then, though, right? Doesn't tuition go up when they're full-time? And would it stay the same for lower school and upper? Seems like the latter should cost more.
Lanc Native 145---My mistake.
Long time lurker. Here's my 2 cents (very LONG 2 cents!!!):
Katie Irene Kreider is a severely mentally ill multimillionaire. First-person accounts and Robert’s book have proven, beyond doubt, that Katie has been a narcissistic sociopath with bi-polar tendencies since at least her mid-teen years. In case you are wondering why I refer to her as Katie, it's because that is her name. “Katie” is the name on her birth certificate, and until she gave birth to sextuplets, she was only known as Katie. Jon married Katie, not Kate. Who the heck changes their name in their late 20's to rhyme with the number of children they have? A devious fame whore that's who!
We know that at the age of 18, she was forced to leave her parent’s home and moved into her boyfriend’s house after getting an abortion without her conservative, Christian parent’s consent. Therefore, like many of you, I do not believe that she has ever had any issue with becoming pregnant. I do believe, and it has been proven, that Katie manipulated her former husband and doctors in order to conceive and give birth to multiples. Twice.
Katie (and Steve) has been intentionally and systematically destroying the lives of 9 people for well over a decade. TLC and Figure Eight have been complicit and have assisted. Many, many more people have been severely and negatively impacted by her cruelty and unwillingness to seek mental healthcare.
By now, everyone knows that the “long-time” boyfriend, Jeff Prescott, was only a fabricated tabloid story for cash and TV ratings, and that the “first date” episode was utter BS. There is no doubt in my mind that before the announced separation of “Jon and Kate,” Katie and Steve’s relationship moved from working to romantic. They have been together since. Years ago, a few blogs were discussing Katie buying a condo near Steve’s former marital home. I am not certain if the condo was purchased. But, this would have been a condo for Steve so that he would be able to visit with his teen-aged children. Katie was never going to live there. These two have been lovers and “thick as thieves” since the sextuplets were 4 years old.
Katie and Steve have made at least 20 million dollars selling “Gosselin 8” for nearly a decade. And, I think that may be a low-ball $ amount. If Katie is receiving/has been receiving decent financial advice, she should never have to work a real job for the rest of her pathetic life. However, as many of you have commented, it seems as though she believes that there will never be “enough” money and that she wants the fame/admiration of strangers as much – if not more - than money. Frankly, I would not be surprised if they announce soon that they are getting married and that TLC will be airing Kate + Steve + whoever is left.
I hope that at least one, if not all 8, will survive and write a tell-all book someday. More so, I hope that all 8 find their way to this blog. These long-abused, used, and neglected souls will know that they are loved and that people have been advocating for them for a long, long, time.
Admin, thank you for keeping this blog going. Loyal commenters, thank you for your insight. I often come here to read after a show just to make sure that I am not loco and for the reassurance that I am not alone in my concern for these abused children.
Signed: Long time lurker
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_5_uw9TGM3g
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Uh oh, the Hulford quads now have a commercial. These are identical girls. TFW's head must be exploding now as she tries to figure out how to market the six minus one.
If she is getting financial aid (which does not make sense to me based upon her income), doesn't she have to pay that back like college financial aid? Can the poster who appears to know about LCDS please say if there are discounted tuitions for multiple family attendees of the school?
May the magic of Christmas be alive in your homes tonight and tomorrow.
Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukkah to those who celebrate the season.
TLC stinks said... 150
I think it can safely be said that the Gosselins are one of a kind in this situation, so even if there are 2 or 3 siblings in the school at the same time, their tuition situation might not reflect K8's. Frankly, I don't know why she would be entitled to any "large-family" discount, if such a thing even exists. It is no financial hardship for her kids to pay for themselves to be there if what she's said about putting money in the bank for this purpose is true. A great deal of money has come her way the past 10 years.
Anonymous said... 148
I pretty much agree with everything in your post. I've always thought there was more to Steve and Kate than met the eye. The only reason, in my mind, that he came out from behind the curtain in the RV episodes was to get everyone used to the idea that the Gosselin 8 were gonna get a new daddy. Unfortunately for K8, that blew up in her face. Whether TLC cancelled her at that point because they just weren't going there or whether it was based solely on the show's performance has always been a question for me.
We know Steve is still around, but I think K8 now realizes that if she makes this move, her whole story about Jon being the reason for the divorce (how he changed overnight, was running around cheating on her, etc.) inevitably goes right into the crapper. And since "single SAHM of 8 doing it all alone" is her most recent persona (she didn't fly as TV personality, dancer, marathoner, blogger, or sex kitten), a public hook-up with Steve would surely cost her what little fan support she has left. What to do? Steve or the show?
Well, maybe if there's no show, there's no Steve. And therein lies the rub.
I will ask, though, ARE Steve and Gina divorced? Certainly that's not a prerequisite to him basically living with K8, but it does preclude the kind of "committed" relationship she claims to want.
Dmasy said... 151
Very best wishes and Happy Holidays to you, too.
To everyone on the blog, the loyal posters, Admin, the girls and the pool boys, I wish everyone a Merry Christmas!
And a very special Merry Christmas to the G8.
And to Collin. I hope you are able to be with your brothers, sisters, Shoka and your Dad tonight and tomorrow!
All I can say about Steve and Gina is that both their names are on the house in MD per public tax records. Doesn't mean, of course, they are not separated.
Merry Christmas Eve to all here on 15 min. who celebrate and Happy Almost Hannukah, too!
We've got icky rain right now, but things should clear and lead to a relatively warm weekend.
Beats the heck out of snow and ice (for traveling)!
Sad but true said... 153
Anonymous said... 148
I pretty much agree with everything in your post. I've always thought there was more to Steve and Kate than met the eye.
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Way too many first-hand reports about how Steve and Kate kanoodle, exchange knowing glances and share a certain closeness to think they are just all business all the time.
Hope the kids are with their dad! Maybe that's why she's been quiet. Still waiting for that photo of ALL the stockings hung on the mantel.
Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah!
Justice for Collin Twitter site I just found. Wow
Scroll down to "Circus of Idiots" cartoon.
https://twitter.com/Sassccha
We know Steve is still around, but I think K8 now realizes that if she makes this move, her whole story about Jon being the reason for the divorce (how he changed overnight, was running around cheating on her, etc.) inevitably goes right into the crapper.
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Kate would look everyone in the eye and swear up and down that she and Steve never happened until they were both separated/divorced.
But, she couldn't whine about doing it all alone and having to be the mom and dad. That storyline would get blown out of the water, as if Steve hangs around as much as he has for YEARS now and totally ignores the kids and doesn't interact as a male role model and figure.
Steve or the show? How about both ;-)
Fake BF for the show, Steve pulling the strings in real life.
In regards to the dog trash can: what kate actually said was empty the trash in "the dog kitchen". She was referring to the 2nd kitchen that she has in the basement. Sometimes we forget that she has that second gallery kitchen near the sliding doors in the basement. They only show when they are feeding the dogs from it. Which is why ingress she calls it the "dog kitchen" instead of the basement kitchen.
Anywhooo..... That's what she was referring to when speaking about the dog trash can. As you know Kate over complicates everything.
TLC stinks said... 156
All I can say about Steve and Gina is that both their names are on the house in MD per public tax records. Doesn't mean, of course, they are not separated.
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That's just an asset. Maybe they've already agreed privately to the division of property, and maybe that includes him staying on the deed in order to be responsible for taxes or whatever. Whatever's going on there, it hasn't been a "normal" married situation for a very long time. Not with him spending as much time at K8's as he apparently does. Unless K8 really does just pay him to hang around and "help" her and Gina's okay with that.
Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukkah to all on this blog.
May your days be merry and bright and may all your Christmases be white!
Anonymous said... 148
First-person accounts and Robert’s book have proven, beyond doubt, that Katie has been a narcissistic sociopath with bi-polar tendencies since at least her mid-teen years.
If it's been proven beyond a doubt, why is Kate going to have a psychological evaluation? Or has that been completed and I missed the results?
We know that at the age of 18, she was forced to leave her parent’s home and moved into her boyfriend’s house after getting an abortion without her conservative, Christian parent’s consent.
I've always taken this as speculation not a proven fact.
Katie and Steve have made at least 20 million dollars selling “Gosselin 8” for nearly a decade. And, I think that may be a low-ball $ amount.
Where is the 20 million figure coming from? I've read here for a long time and it seems most here have commented that we don't know her financial situation.
Best wishes everyone, have a safe & happy holiday!
Long time lurker (#148), thanks for your comment, and welcome.
To all who celebrate, Merry Christmas, Happy Chanukah, Happy Kwanzaa, and Happy Festivus. And if you don't celebrate anything, hope you have a lovely, peaceful, joyful weekend no matter what you do. And thanks as always to Admin and company for this veranda. Your hard work is much appreciated.
If getting financial aid (which does not make sense to me based upon her income), doesn't she have to pay that back like college financial aid? Can the poster who appears to know about LCDS please say if there are discounted tuitions for multiple family attendees of the school?
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Unlike some other private schools, this school, historically, has not given sibling discounts. I wish that this were true!
Someone went to church this year. And posted a photo inside on IG to prove it:
kateplusmy8 One of my favorite traditions! And no Gosselins accidentally burnt our church down- whew! Aaden was particularly nervous lol. He concentrated on holding his candle VERY still!:) 🎄✨ #MerryChristmas
miloandjack2016 So many areas as the adult there that you have to take the lead in! Blessed you are & will be for NOT forgetting spiritual matters in their lives! @kateplusmy8
Why don't to you ask her when's the last time she had these kids in a church? I would guess it's the last time she posted a picture that looked like this, at leat 2, maybe 3 years ago. I'm wondering if K8's now going to try to get her "prosperity gospel" fan-base back. Worked pretty well for her once. :)
Oh yeah...I forgot. Festivus for the Rest of Us! One of my most favorite Seinfeld's.
She just posted it but was the service last night?
Season's Greetings.
A little holiday humor--The 4 stages of life:
1. You believe in Santa Claus
2. You don't believe in Santa Claus
3. You are Santa Claus
4. You look like Santa Claus
Sad but true said... 170
Someone went to church this year. And posted a photo inside on IG to prove it:
kateplusmy8 One of my favorite traditions! And no Gosselins accidentally burnt our church down- whew! Aaden was particularly nervous lol. He concentrated on holding his candle VERY still!:) 🎄✨ #MerryChristmas
December 24, 2016 at 10:36 AM
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Wow that is a very early "kids" service, if that's indeed her church or place of worship. Our Christmas Eve Christmas masses are as early as 4pm-6pm, and it's strongly urged that you only go if you have little kids. Big kids and adults can attend the "Midnight" mass or go on Christmas day. Otherwise, it's everyone just trying to get it out of the way.
I take it there's no Collin this year.
I completely believe there is more than security work between Kate and Steve. I have no proof. I don't know what his arrangement with Gina is but there are many people out there living in marriage arrangements that I would not personally like. I cannot figure out how much money Kate has but I totally believe she will never have to work.
Colin is the land mine. There are so many variables. Does he stay gone or come home? If Jon gets him does Kate have to cough up child support? Does any of her actual truth come out (like her abuse, her relationship with Steve, how she has been using the kids' money) or does she continue as teflon Kate?
Merry Christmas to all of you here. I wish you a narcissist free Christmas.
Sad but true (#170), looks like a Hail Mary pass on TFW's part
(no religious pun intended). It's been a looooong time since she's mentioned church. The blowback is scaring her. Or else it's just her way of showing the kids are with her, and a big ol' nyah-nyah to whoever thought Jon was going to get them. But it's not Christmas yet, is it? Here's hoping the kids spend a warm, wonderful holiday with a loving parent.
Original T said... 163
In regards to the dog trash can: what kate actually said was empty the trash in "the dog kitchen". She was referring to the 2nd kitchen that she has in the basement.
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Thanks for the clarification! It made no sense to have a trash can just for dogs (poop!).
WELCOME, Long Time Lurker, and thanks for posting!
I tend to believe Robert's assertions because I got the sense he vetted heavily before he wrote what he published.
I also think Kate would have sued to pants off of him for publishing things about her alleged diagnosis and abortion.
I could have sworn I read somewhere that while Kate and Jon were still married and were at the height of their popularity or while the divorce was happening that TLC was paying a portion of their school tuition . May not be the case anymore
Also, the tups are 12, so wtf is with acting like they've got no coordination and can't hold a candle?
Kate is such an odd bird, truly.
If you didn't know any better, you'd think her kids were 5 or 6 years old!
"Oooh, I hope my 12-year old can hold candles without burning the place down!"
smdh!
We get it-there's SO many of you...
@Sad but true,i don't see Collin in the picture,unless thats him next to Hannah,although it looks like Joel with Aaden next to him.
Morally and ethically, Kate should have pulled the plug on filming when she knew darn well that Collin would be absent. No super fun best-ever parties or trips without him. She would have redeemed herself somewhat if she had. If she were under contract to film no matter how many kids were there, then she might have had some legal problems with TLC. However, a good attorney would know how to skirt around this. Contracts can be broken.
Her Twitter needs to be taken down. All it has become is a chat room for a few of the non-fans who live there, and her live tweeting isn't generating much traffic, so why keep it open?
I was thinking about all the brown-nosing from past fans, Emily, Paige, Austin, Gypsi, Stale Cereal Lady, etc. I don't see them tweeting. Are they commenting on her IG? Who is left? Milo, Denise (second in command), Carlene, and a handful of casual drive-by fans, and boys with Mommy issues who have no clue what is going on, other than that they are enjoying watching the kids for their own amusement and entertainment.
Merry Christmas from the Lancaster PA Dutch Country to fellow bloggers! May the Belsnickel treat you to good things now, and in the coming new year.
I made a hot rum, brandy, honey and fresh lemon toddy in the crockpot and have been sampling it quire frequently. It's not as good as straight Rumspringa from the keg, but it does come close. We'll see how I feel tonight! I hope the drink doesn't sneak up on me to to the point where I get totally snuckered!
Lanc Native (169)
You're right about sibling discounts at the school. They do give need-based financial aid, but no discount for siblings. And when calculating financial aid, they take into account both income and assets (per my SIL).
I have always wondered why Kate did not pay off the house. She has made millions off the kids, she claims to want to stay in the house forever (someone quoted a comment from her--after the deck was completed--that if she wasn't committed to staying in that house before, she was now). Why not pay it off to protect the asset? Why refinance to a 30-year mortgage? It would have been almost paid off if she had kept the original 10-year mortgage. Then no more payments. I don't understand her financial decisions. She has made plenty of money over the past decade. She shouldn't have to still be paying interest on anything. So it really wouldn't surprise me if it came out that she has mismanaged the kids' trusts over the years. She and Jon have both said in the past that there was money set aside for the kids' college. But when the show came back, a "source" said she needed the money for the kids' college. The twins are just a couple years away from college age. Cara said she wants to go to college far away from home. That means out-of-state tuition plus room and board. And she might not be the only one who wants to leave for college. I think if there isn't enough money for it, the public will find out.
In case you are wondering why I refer to her as Katie, it's because that is her name. “Katie” is the name on her birth certificate, and until she gave birth to sextuplets, she was only known as Katie. Jon married Katie, not Kate. Who the heck changes their name in their late 20's to rhyme with the number of children they have? A devious fame whore that's who!
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Nope. That is not correct. She was called both Kate and Katie in school. Moreover, there is no written rule that one must be called the name on his/her birth certificate! That makes no sense whatsoever.
It has never been proven that she was forced to leave her parents' home and that she had an abortion. The amount of her net worth, or how much she has accumulated has never been proven. There has been so much speculation about this that any figures thrown out there are just taken with the proverbial grain of salt. Unless someone has access to her private financial portfolio, nobody but Kate and her financial advisers knows how much she has accumulated, the amount her investments have generated, or how much remains.
JusticeForCollin @Sassccha 3m3 minutes ago
@kateplusmy8 Tradition Kate? U haven't set foot inside Church in over 10 years - BTW it's a religious ceremony, not a photo op - #FaceFront
When did Kate post that photo of the kids at church on Christmas Eve? Has it really been ten years ago? I don't remember!
Thanks for the clarification on the "dog kitchen" Original T. That makes a bit more sense.
Sad but true said... 170
Someone went to church this year. And posted a photo inside on IG to prove it:
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Making sure we know that she has the kids tonight. I expect picture tomorrow too. (if she has them)
Nice to hear Katie attended her yearly goin' to church with the kids. Who takes selfies in Church? She is nutzzzz. I hope it did not cause too much chaos for the parishioners who actually attend weekly plus the other programs the church offers.
Sad but true said... 170
Someone went to church this year. And posted a photo inside on IG to prove it:
kateplusmy8 One of my favorite traditions! And no Gosselins accidentally burnt our church down- whew! Aaden was particularly nervous lol. He concentrated on holding his candle VERY still!:) 🎄✨ #MerryChristmas
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Oh, oh. Blog historians, how long has it been since Katie has posted Christmas church service picture(s)?
I hope she's not thinking of trotting out the religious, God-fearing mother of 8 in an attempt to get on the UP channel. I noticed the 6 Little McGhees are now on that channel the other day and wondered if Katie Irene would try to get on there if TLC cuts her loose.
Now I definitely believe she's scared and could be facing cancellation and losing custody ...she hasn't given God the time of day and now she's going to church...of course! Because katie Irene needs Him. Typical TFW style
Btw guess who's back on twitter and still raging at the twitter haters MsGoody2Shoes21_ @MsGoody2Shoes33 2h2 hours ago
Fuck you 24/7 hateful wiitches 👎
#KatePLusMy8
Wow that is a very early "kids" service, if that's indeed her church or place of worship. Our Christmas Eve Christmas masses are as early as 4pm-6pm, and it's strongly urged that you only go if you have little kids. Big kids and adults can attend the "Midnight" mass or go on Christmas day. Otherwise, it's everyone just trying to get it out of the way.
I take it there's no Collin this year.
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Kate's not Catholic, though. No masses. The times of services vary with the churches, and there's almost always a family service (early) and then a later service for the adults, around 10 p.m. or so. However, everyone is invited to attend either of the services. We went to the early service at 7 p.m. because I didn't think I'd be awake for the later service. Nodding off here...
The last Christmas service pic I can think of is 2011.
Tucker's Mom (180)
Kate has the tendency to say things that make the tups seem younger than they are. Hence, why she still calls them "the little kids". They also seem to act younger than they are as well. Imagine when the tups are 15. I couldn't imagine being called a "little kid" at 15.
-ajw
You're right about sibling discounts at the school. They do give need-based financial aid, but no discount for siblings. And when calculating financial aid, they take into account both income and assets (per my SIL).
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Nope. No sibling discounts. Sigh.
Is Zorro still alive?
Tracking Santa on NORAD. It's better than most of the Hallmark Christmas movies.
Re the church photo on IG, that was posted around 1-2 p.m. today. So unless they were doing candles for a morning service today (and it looks rather dark), she must have taken them last night. I'm not up on these things, is it usual to have an Xmas Eve service on the night before Xmas Eve? Is it possible they're doing more than one service and going again on Xmas?
The previous photo she posted of them in church at an evening service might have been 2011 or 2012, it was definitely after cancellation and before she was resurrected.
Merry Christmas/Happy Hannukah to all!
You know Milo's reading here. Now she's all #LoveThoseKids, lol.
miloandjack2016 Reflecting on #Aaden's spontaneous dance moves on the #SpaceShuttle, maybe there should be some concern over a possible #SpontaneousCombustion at church? LOL. @kateplusmy8. #LoveThoseKids ❤
Kate's church also had Christmas Eve services on Dec 23. I assumed she went to one of those to post the picture when she did. I'm sure there's been a church sighting in the last 10 years. While I think it's lovely when even occasional attendees come to Christmas Eve services, I really can't agree with Milo. A Christmas Eve service every three years or so is not exactly spiritual development. Kate was the one who said how much her faith meant. If it truly did, she would have taken the kids to church regularly, IMO.
To be honest, what I noticed from the picture was the nice shiny braces in the girl's mouth.
Btw guess who's back on twitter and still raging at the twitter haters MsGoody2Shoes21_ @MsGoody2Shoes33 2h2 hours ago
Fuck you 24/7 hateful wiitches 👎
#KatePLusMy8
She was suspended? For what? I don't have Twitter, so I don't know how it works. What do you have to do to get the suspension removed? Apologize and swear that you won't be a repeat offender? Do the Twitter police always believe you?
Merry Christmas everyone.
Peace on earth, good will to men.
Hmmm...never saw this one. Insightful. Obviously spot on and NOTHiNG has changed in 6 years. Maybe the judge will be smart enough to figure out that she is FULL of bullshit and is the demon in the demonizing of her kids
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