I didn't watch the special...Titantic was on Oxygen...love that Leo DiCaprio...but just reading through the comments...Kate seems to reinforced that she is just one bat-shit crazy woman.
AnnieD said... 108 The boys were absolutely charming when they were talking about each other. On the other hand, Kate had no business playing that dodgeball game with the kids. She really was acting like an immature bully to Mady. When Mady angrily shoved Kate after, that was very telling. It was not a gentle shove. Who does that to their mother? Not normal. ****** I've only watched clips so far and saw the dodgeball fiasco. I think Mady was faking at the end, and that's fine. The thing is, it would be great for Kate to have allowed Mady to save face and end the game and win by default, rather than take the kill shot. That pissed Mady off. Mady tried to avoid that embarrassing and angering moment, and instead of Kate taking that "out", she went in for the kill, uh, I mean, win. Mady was fuming. Obviously she doesn't like losing, especially at the hands of her mother in an unfair matchup, on playing field that is not level. Kate's invading her space and attempting a hug was like trying to hug a cactus and expecting it to be pleasant. I don't blame Mady for shoving away. Her reaction was very physical, but for God's sake, Kate should know Mady's nature by now and not gotten into her personal space when she knew damn well that Mady wanted no parts of it. Better to have just walked away, and said "good game" and left it at that. But, of course, Kate had to put on a show for the camera.
When have we ever seen her hug one of her children? I can't remember. Not in the recent past, and certainly, not in an affectionate and spontaneous moment that is "just because". No- she has to try to hug Mady after she beat her at a game she should be playing with grown ups her own size.
This scene was STRAIGHT out of Mommy Dearest, right down to explaining way the bitch would never concede a competition to a CHILD.
A question for those of you who watched: when the other kids told Aaden the glasses he picked out were ugly, did she give all of them the "We don't tear down, we build up" speech? Or is that speech reserved only for Collin? I makes me mad that she lectures him on camera for saying someone's hair was ugly, but ignored it when Mady said the tups have bad hair. Why is it wrong for Collin and nobody else? Why is he held to a different standard? Side note: the scene where they get glasses for Aaden was filmed so that she could get TLC to pay for the new glasses. She was going to squeeze every dime she could out of them for this special. Remember in the book, when TLC balked at paying for the construction of M&C's room, and she said if they weren't going to pay for it, then they couldn't film it? Same thing. She is out to take them for everything she could get.
When Kate tells Collin he needs a "filter" she gave him some examples of what he should have said that are less offensive. Instead of saying "you're hair is ugly", she said you could say "I've seen better".
How is that any better than what he actually said? It's still a put down.
Here is an article from Gawker.com about the show. It has some clips from the show including the lecture to Collin and Kate playing that game with Mady.
There is also the clip of the kids telling Kate that she didn't break her foot, that she broke her toe. Scroll down to the bottom for that one. That was the only part of the show that actually made me laugh.
Vanessa said... 182 You know it had to sucker punch him in the gut to hear Colin say, No wonder dad left. **********************************************************************
Did Colin say this? ****************************** This was from a tweet. Colin did not say this, it was someone commenting on how poorly Colin is treated, similar to how Jon was treated.
Admin, Leah didn't ask if Collin liked her hair, he just offered it up, in a mean way. I don't think that is appropriate, but it is normal sibling stuff. I think the comment would have slid if he didn't jab at her again after Kate pretty calmly said to Collin that it wasn't nice. After that she called him in the kitchen and gave him the speech. Yes, she is a hypocrite.
Kids surely should have opinions, but this was just mean. Collin may very well be a bully like his mother.
Kate seemed to be teaching Collin to do the same type of thing she does in the media...put a spin on the truth so that no one can really understand what you're saying...and then maybe you will come off in a better light...unfortunately for Kate it doesn't work at least not with people who can see through it...
[Joan has just easily beaten Christina in a pool race] Joan Crawford: Oh, you lost again. Christina Crawford: It's not fair. You're bigger than I am, it's not fair to win twice. Joan Crawford: AH, but nobody ever said life was fair, Tina. I'm bigger and I'm faster. I will always beat you. Christina Crawford: Then I'm not gonna play with you any more. EVER. Joan Crawford: Don't you EVER use that tone of voice with me, missy. WHO DO YOU THINK YOU'RE TALKING TO? I'll tell you what you're gonna do, you're gonna MARCH yourself UPSTAIRS to your room and you will STAY THERE until I tell you to come out. Christina Crawford: No I won't. Joan Crawford: No you won't? Yes... you... WILL. [spanks Tina, but she resists] Joan Crawford: You will go up... Christina Crawford: I WON'T GO. Joan Crawford: ALL RIGHT, all right. You will stay in here until you are ready to behave... Christina Crawford: I WON'T. NO I WON'T. I WON'T. Joan Crawford: ...AND TO APOLOGIZE. Christina Crawford: I won't. Joan Crawford: Get IN. [slams her in the pool house] Christina Crawford: AAAAAHHHHH, MOMMIE
When my dd was 3 I introduced her to Candyland. It's a random game so sometimes she won, sometimes I won. But we had a rule: the winner had to say "good game" and the loser had to say "congratulations" ******************************************** Hi everyone! I thought I'd come on over today and read your thoughts after TFW's "comeback." What a hot mess!
Local, I think what you do with your daughter after a game is a great idea! In fact, I use that as a strategy in therapy addressing social skills. After a game, the loser is usually disappointed and sometimes downright angry. After I've taught them the "script" of "Good game!, Better luck next time, That was fun!" etc, I will cue them with "What can we say?" Then they will use those comments. It's amazing how doing that diffuses the anger and disappointment. Since using this technique, I've had no one leave in a huff because he/she lost a game.
Thanks swimgirl. I didn't realize it was from a tweet. My apologizes.
When Colin first said that her hair was ugly, kate told him, and he got quiet, but kate kept on and on about it and he said it again I think because kate wouldn't shut up about it. Then he got the lecture. I know when she said, I've seen it look better. She is an idiot. It is basically the same put down.
TFW really misses the point on playing with your children and "letting them win". As an adult, I wasbigger, faster and stronger than my children so I naturally had an advantage over them. So I scaled down when I played them in a sport so we could have fun, enjoy the sport and it encouraged them to keep playing with me. It no different than when I play tennis with a friend who plays in a competitive league. She dials down her playing so we can have fun and enjoy the game at a level that better suits my lack of skill.
My kids are now all teens and are much better than me now in sports but we still play together. Of course, they now dial their game down for me!
Mady trashed the tups' hair too.I wonder if she got the lecture Collin did ? I have the feeling Kate is a little leery of Mady and her backtalk these days.
I think Mady was faking at the end, and that's fine. The thing is, it would be great for Kate to have allowed Mady to save face and end the game and win by default, rather than take the kill shot.
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I just watched the clip too and thought if Mady was faking it for dramatics, as Kate said, gee I wonder who she learned it from. All eight have been watching their mother have dramatics to get what she wants since they were born.
She says she's teaching them life skills so they can grow up to be independent and live a great life BUT if nobody lets you "win", then just sic a piece of human waste like McGibney on them to scare them into submission. Sue your children's father - there's a life skill every kid should learn. Scam innocent church-goers for their money, that's another handy tool if you ever need a few extra bucks. When people piss you off after they see right through your ruse, just kick them to the curb and move on to the next victim. There's plenty more suckers out there to go after.
I totally agree. This is just a mess and TFW is full of conflicting and hypocritical contridictions. Which is it? She tells one host that filming the update was something that everyone had to vote yes for unanimously. Then she tells another host that we wouldn't see them if she didn't have to support the kids. If she has to do this to support the kids what's the point of the vote? Was there ever a vote? She really thinks people are stupid and don't put all her lies together.
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They have to agree. They have no choice. If they refuse, they face the wrath of their mother. They know what she is, and what she is capable of doing. They have to live with her. There is no doubt in my mind that if she told them they wouldn't film, there would be no money to stay in that house with the POOL, and they'd have to go to another school. Lay the guilt trip on them, and of course they would agree. She's that much of a screwed-up parent.
Maybe it wasn't such a bad thing that this was filmed. While I feel for the kids, it does show that she is psychotic and has mental issues. This film is documentation for Jon, in case he ever needs it for whatever reason. If the school parents and teachers watch it, they have a much better idea of what goes on within that home. Perhaps they had no idea that things are this bad. They do now.
I wonder if Milo is seeing nothing for positive tweets this morning. How she could make that ridiculous tweet is beyond me. She and Kate are cut from the same cloth. Both are delusional. They belong together.
I looked at the boys feeding the chickens in a different way. This was their time to be together without everyone else, especially Kate. They can laugh and be boys. Sure there's work that has to be done. But while doing it they are not under Kate's iron fist for a little time. The boys seems to have bonded in a positive way and I believe its because they have/had to rely on each other to carry the heavy buckets and sacks of feed. They had to work as a team to accomplish at task.
And by being in the chicken coop they can say what they want about the others without the others hearing it. And subsequently the boys being punished for not being positive enough for Kate.
For a few short minutes they can be boys; laughing, shoving, enjoying each other.
I now someone posted this link to the gawker article, http://gawker.com/wicked-birth-mother-kate-gosselin-wont-let-her-children-1593620770/all.
Read the article and comments. They are hilarious!! Warning, the language can be a little rough and I do not like the comments slamming Mady, but the comments about TFW are spot on!
Kate always said Joel reminded her of Jon. I think she complained of both of them 'breathing' and that Joel had a glazed look.She stated he looked like a mini-Jon even as a newborn preemie. She treated Joel badly, just as she did Jon. I think Collin was not as easily deterred by her- she often said he did not obey her. She has been trying to break his spirit since he was a baby.
I tuned in to this travesty for 3 minutes and 3 minutes was to long. I shut the dam tv off for the evening. The thought of Kate trying to blow smoke up every ones ass with her "see I am a good mommy attitude" and "I have changed attitude" made me sick to my stomach.
When my dd was 3 I introduced her to Candyland. It's a random game so sometimes she won, sometimes I won. But we had a rule: the winner had to say "good game" and the loser had to say "congratulations" ******************************************** Hi everyone! I thought I'd come on over today and read your thoughts after TFW's "comeback." What a hot mess!
Local, I think what you do with your daughter after a game is a great idea!
I saw Jenna in one of the clips. Isn't Jenna their cousin? Wouldn't that be a HUGE concession on Kate's part? Because there is no discussion of a cousin attending, I wonder if I remember who she is incorrectly.
And because Mady was not excited, but just annoyed that Kate felt the need to spring a surprise on her, whoever Jenna is, she is not a long-lost anything. I would love, love to see any evidence of the isolation barriers crumbling. Does anyone have more information on who Jenna is?
I watched the second time. There are so many things. But I will bring up a few. The eye glasses, sorry Kate if my child broke their glasses, it would be ASAP to the eye place and get a new pair, not wait till TLC filmed & paid for it. As I see it, Kate is going to have lots of problems with her kids, dew to her, not stopping those kids when they start fighting. Kate should have been involved from day one, in reffing the kids, not letting them fight it out and be tattlers.
Another: Kate did take a stab at the critics, people who dislike her, hate her. When Colin said to that one tup girl her hair is ugly, and the little tattler, told mom, Kate came back with: something like: if you can't say something nice don't say anything at all and then added something about: you don't say bad things and then something about I've seen better. That was a stab at the critics. Didn't Kate say a while ago that her kids spy on each other, and they critize each other. So what was this with Colin all about. Next, the boys only take care of the chickens, I thought, she told Kendra that the girls would be sharing in that chore? What Kate say: this is their only manly thing they do. Kate they are children, little boys, they are not men yet. I also think Kate keeps that one boy from seeing dad cause, perhaps the kid said he wants to live with dad, so for punishment Kate keeps him from his dad. The kid might have no love for Kate, and she can't stand that.
It looks like they were filming since Xmas, or just after. hen Kate first mentioned the camera crew was there or coming. They were filming for several months.
The kids have no choice in anything. Kate twists it to make it seem like it was the kids idea and choice. Going to the that game place. Kate did not ask the kids what they wanted to do on break, she told them what, they will do on break. But said it in a way it sounded like the kids made the choice. Just like the birthday party, Kate was determine to have a circus party, wether the kids wanted(which was clear they did not)it or not. Kate never asked the kids what kind of party they wanted. It was this is what we are doing like it or not. Did anyone notice the back ground, there was a pic of the dog and the kids, she only recently change the background. Did anyone catch the couple of clips with Jon in them? I truely believe Kate is still hung up on Jon, she has not moved on. Jon should sue her for using his image and get some money. if they blurred him that would have been different. Let's say Kate was about 90% full of it, her own kids, contradicted her. And Kate made an ass of herself. Hey, Kate, you and millions of mom have teens, you are nothing new. I think she is angling for a show called Raising Gosselins. JMO
The hairgate, I would have told the kid to stop, teasing, then tell the other one who told, nobody likes a tattler, and drop it. Usually when kids do that kind of scene, the other would say your ugly too, right back, not tattle to mom, and I think that tup girl smiled, after telling. it is clear that Kate does not care much for the boys. JMO
Definitly NOT a sheeple. I read him every day and post occasionally. But I call it as I see it.
Me saying I think Collin is a bully does not make me a sheeple.
These kids are a product of a very toxic environment. I make no claim to be a child advocate. I watched the show to snark about. To pick it all apart like we do here.
I've just read all the comments on the show (which I didn't watch), and I have a feeling of despair about these poor children matched only by the first time I read the excerpts from the book. I felt like I had a sense of the extent of the damage done in that household, but now I think it's far more profound than I could have imagined. I think her mental illness has gone unchecked and has caused irreparable harm to 8 innocent lives. It is heartbreaking.
I don't even have the psychic energy to snark about that woman. Where are you Dwindle? Today feels like one of those days when cyber hand-holding might be in order...
Kids surely should have opinions, but this was just mean. Collin may very well be a bully like his mother. ***************************************************************** A mean (mean?) comment about hair is peanuts compared to the name calling and insults that go on that house. She's not just a hypocrite, she's the example, the leader of the pack. It's a hierarchy and Colin is at the bottom with the boys. She bullies Mady, Mady in turn bullies the tups, the girl tups bully the boys and poor Colin? Well he gets it from EVERYONE.
About the Candyland game. Reminds me of the little girl I use to babysit. E was about 6, 7, 8 years old and our favorite game was UNO. She was good. Every time I needed a UNO card, she would get one! lol And we would laugh! I would go Oh, NO! UNO again, you got it again? We would laugh through the whole game.
I read somewhere that a mom had a rule for a board game that who ever wins the game and they are finished playing, the winner has to place all the pieces of the game and put it all back into the box and put it up. Nothing like losing a couple of games and get stuck putting it all back up.
Well, kate. I hope that kill shot made you happy. To the victor, go the spoils, over your children.
FYI Gaga ball is a BIG game here in PA, especially at summer camps and church events. My kids love it, and there's always a pit at the camps they've been to and now work at. However, the G kids probably didn't know much about it because they don't attend camps? ? BTW...disclaimer, I did not watch the show. I don't have anything other than basic cable. (refuse to pay for crap I don't need). I've only seen the clips that everyone has posted here.
It should be: Raising Gosselins: the Teen years. Kate not going to happen. Your kids are still whiney, rude, fight, scream, yell etc, people who have kids, get that daily, they do not want to watch it on TV, much less the rest of us, who have no kids , want to see some entitled brats, and a entitled mother get stuff for free we have to work hard for.
This also reminds me of when my sons were playing basketball in the early years of their sports careers, as kids, they would play basketball with my brother and he would intentionally beat them, dunk and taunt them. My ex, their dad had to tell him he had to stop that. My ex was taken aback by his behavior and said, what is wrong with him? I agreed, he shouldn't of done this. It made me mad also. My dad wouldn't let him play sports in school which would of been a lifesaver for him and he begged and begged to play football.
They finally let him play football in the ninth grade. He didn't even know what he was doing and got hurt and quit. My middle son played from the beginning and learned and practiced. This is how you do it. That is why I feel so BAD for the boys because they have to do chicken work after school instead of going to soccer or football or basketball.
kate getting in a chair and going on the ice being pushed by her kids was pathetic. It is all about her. She just couldn't sit on a bench behind the wall and just recall memories of them skating before.
They should of all had helmets on. They could of used their bicycle helmets couldn't they? Even in tornado warnings, the meteorologists tell the kids, get your bicycle or football helmets and put them on!
What's wrong with her mouth? It looks like she's talking with a bunch of dental foam on the left side. You know how they stuff those little tufted rolls of cotton in there sometimes? That's what it looked like.
Or maybe she had an abscessed tooth. Or just had a tooth pulled and the novocaine didn't wear off for weeks. Or something.
Maybe she was trying to botox her forehead and missed and got her left jaw instead? Think Steve had anything to do with it and that's why he was blurred out?
swimgirl said... 21 TFW really misses the point on playing with your children and "letting them win". As an adult, I wasbigger, faster and stronger than my children so I naturally had an advantage over them. So I scaled down when I played them in a sport so we could have fun, enjoy the sport and it encouraged them to keep playing with me. It no different than when I play tennis with a friend who plays in a competitive league. She dials down her playing so we can have fun and enjoy the game at a level that better suits my lack of skill.
My kids are now all teens and are much better than me now in sports but we still play together. Of course, they now dial their game down for me! June 20, 2014 at 8:17 AM ******** This is a great example of fair play. It's not always about winning- it's about sportsmanship.
Mojave Denizen said... 32 I saw Jenna in one of the clips. Isn't Jenna their cousin? Wouldn't that be a HUGE concession on Kate's part? Because there is no discussion of a cousin attending, I wonder if I remember who she is incorrectly.
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Who is Jenna and how do you know this? Is it the same girl I saw in the dodgeball clip looking horrified for Mady?
What's wrong with her mouth? It looks like she's talking with a bunch of dental foam on the left side.
You know how they stuff those little tufted rolls of cotton in there sometimes? That's what it looked like.
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I thought it looked a little screwy too. Whatever it is, she's definitely got a muleface now like never before. She's turned into a jackass from living on Pleasure Island too long, the same way Pinocchio did.
It appears from that "fun day" that Kate planned for the kids during the March break that those kids haven't done ice-skating since that episode filmed when they were about 3 or 4. How embarrassing for 10 and 13 year olds to essentially be showing that they haven't made any progress in a sport since then. Proof again that if TLC isn't behind it, it's not going to happen.
Me saying I think C* is a bully does not make me a sheeple.
Sara, You're a regular here, no worries. You're not the only one to say that about C*. That's one of the descriptions used when the two tups were expelled. Bullying behavior is something they're learning by living and dealing with their mother.
Is it possible she took the credit, then sold the solar panels? Is that a one time credit or every year or a certain percentage per year?
Things like solar panels or new energy efficient windows, insulation, etc are a one time tax credit, but you've raised a good question. J&K didn't pay for the panels - they were essentially donated, so how could they apply and receive a credit? Did the mfg or TLC finagle some kind of receipt so they could submit it, reaping the bonus twice (once getting the panels for free and then again by getting a credit)? Or, was the credit simply mentioned as a general policy for interested consumers (since it was basically an ad for a product)? Inquiring minds want to know. LOL
Mel said... 47 What's wrong with her mouth? It looks like she's talking with a bunch of dental foam on the left side. You know how they stuff those little tufted rolls of cotton in there sometimes? That's what it looked like. ****** I thought that too. It looks like she's got Bell's Palsy or had a stroke! It's not that bad, I kid, but it is very evident in her AH interview.
I'm confused...telling someone their hair doesn't look good is "bullying"? Oh, my....I guess I bullied my hubby this morning when I asked him when he was planning to go to the barber....
Why is a child not allowed to have an opinion anyway? He doesn't have to be rude about it but I see no reason why a child must lie and say they like someone's hair when they don't. All this does is create an adult who tells white lies all the time, is disingenuous, self-serving, nonconfrontational, and can't be trusted as anyone's honest confidant.
Exactly. All she's doing it teaching him that it's not safe to have opinions and feelings and he has to stuff them down and can't express them. As someone upthread said - he is as screwed up as can be...
In addition to the therapy that a number of them need, he's a perfect candidate for scouting and is someone who would flourish with the right mentor/big brother. Would she ever enroll him in something like that? Of course not. He needs quality time with his father too, also something she'll never promote.
I'd like to see Kate face off with a Sumo wrestler. After he slammed her to the floor on her back, he could tell her that nobody "lets" him win and he believes in trying one's hardest and he wouldn't be trying his hardest if he let her win. Yeah, I'd pay to see that.
I find it very interesting that Steve's face was blurred out, and I can't really think of "why?". Steve was not only caught on camera recently, he was prominently featured. In early episodes, before anyone even knew the J+K had "security", Steve can be seen when you go back and look, like on the plane to Utah. So, Steve has been on camera for many years, whether just "in frame" and as part of the cast, so why blur him out now? It's like burring out Juicy Juice!!!
It looks like M overstated her knee 'injury'. She slipped right before that scene. It looks like she scraped her knee then acted like it was more worse than that to get the game stopped.
C used to push Alexis around a lot and also has been rough with his two brothers, and apparently kids at school and even a teacher.But he does not deserve the treatment he has received from his own mother.Chicken and the egg? Nature vs. nurture?
I also noticed something odd about TFW's lower lip. Maybe she tried one of those lip plumper injections and it went wrong? There seems to be one swollen spot that drags her mouth down. Someone said yesterday that it almost looks like she had a stroke. That's what it reminded me of, too, but not as pronounced.
You all are braver than I am...I can't even look and/or listen to this woman. I saw none of the gossip show interviews nor did I watch the show. From what you all are saying, I do wonder if she's gone the cheap route on her facial "improvements"?
Amy2 said... 25 **** Amy - I hope you are right because I feel the most sad for those three boys, especially Colin, Kate's favorite whipping boy. (BTW, I use that term not to mean she literally whips him, but that she seems to focus the greatest amount of punishment and venom on him.)
I have a feeling their time spent taking care of the chickens is strictly limited, but like you said, at least for those brief moments each day, they are left alone, and hopefully do have a strong bond with each other. Goodness knows, they definitely need someone they can trust in that household, and I don't think they can trust any one of their sisters.
Paula (59) lol! I guess I bullied my cat today when I told her that we don't swipe at the dog's tail, and then told the dog that she was very much in need of a grooming appointment.
According to new data released, the percentage of single-parent households in Berks County is 36 percent, ranking at #8 out of all of the PA counties. How many of those parents film the heck out of their children in order to support them?
Localyokul, you misunderstood; I don't know anything, I am asking something. Is Jenna someone other than a friend? Because Kate (apparently, from the clip) did the inviting, I guess I was hoping Jenna was family or a family friend. It looks as if I were incorrect. Sorry for the confusion.
Here are the Hayes in an interview just last year(the family who had the TLC show Table for 12) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2Vc3qtIi2Y The difference between the Hayes and the Gosselins is astounding to say the least. *Children have different activities throughout the days and their parents make sure each child gets to their activity on time all the time *The older 4 admit that the tups can be a handful but sometimes they do enjoy hanging out with them *All the children are calm, polite and well behaved *Keep in mind that these people have 10 kids not 8 *Their show got canceled years ago *The tups are a few months younger than the G tups All in all, it would appear it is in fact possible to raise a normal, level headed children, it is possible to have 10 kids and with a bit of effort allow them each to have their own activities/friends/things going on, it is possible to raise 10 kids with MEDIOCRE jobs and no TV show. Interesting isn't it?
"Kids surely should have opinions, but this was just mean. Collin may very well be a bully like his mother." ****** Or maybe he's just trying to fight back a little from the daily berating he probably takes, including being tattled on by his sisters.
I grew up with lots of siblings, and as I recall, we got in fights and we said mean things to each other. It's not pretty, and our parents kept a pretty tight handle on things so they didn't get out of control, but it's also part of being siblings. The term "bullying" is already overused. Let's not stretch the term "bullying" to include saying your sister's hair looks ugly.
Paula, An unprovoked, as well as I could tell, from Collin to Leah saying "your hair is ugly" is mean and many would say a form of bullying. I think your mentioning to your hubby he needs a hair cut is completely different.
He must here Mady tell them over and over that they have ugly hair and that is left unchecked by Kate because it's Mady and she is scared of Mady or too exshauted to reprimand her.
Nevertheless, it is pretty harsh, even from a sibling.
The boys did not seem to cut one another down, nor did the girls. So perhaps it a boys against girls thing, or maybe he really is a broken little boy,
Remember, Robert says this book is specifically for Collin.
Paula said... 59 I'm confused...telling someone their hair doesn't look good is "bullying"? Oh, my....I guess I bullied my hubby this morning when I asked him when he was planning to go to the barber....
******** It depends, of course. I told DH that he's due for a haircut the other day. He agreed he was way past due. That's not picking on him or bullying. Now, if someone is self conscious about their hair, saying it looks bad just cuts right to the core. It sounds like it was a mean sibling thing, but shouldn't just be dismissed as harmless. Death by 1000 paper cuts and all that. When you live with someone, you know exactly how to cut them down with a glance, a noise, a gesture or a word.
What a sad situation. The latest iteration of TFW's persona: Demonize Mady, ignore Cara, and group the six as "rabid animals". Play the helpless Mom who just wants to do the right thing by her kids. This "re-branding" won't work either, Kate. We see you for what you are, a toxic mix of self-adulation, moral bankruptcy and greed. God help your poor children, for you surely won't.
When you live with someone, you know exactly how to cut them down with a glance, a noise, a gesture or a word. ____________________________________________________ Agree, Tucker's Mom, but I don't think a 10-year old understands this....it's just mimicking behavior he/she sees in others. A good parent would A) Of course not behave nor speak in such a way and B) Appropriately try to correct that behavior. I believe it is patently unfair to call a 10 year old a bully when the adult in his life hasn't taught him any different.
About the solar panels, wasn't that on kate plus 8? I don't seem to recall Jon being there then. Any thing you receive that has value is subject to being taxed by the IRS. Just like the swag bags at the swag tents kate filled her greedy hands with. Don't they have the paper work there to be taken or filled out there?
I remember on CA that a team project was to promote toothpaste. They got a big display and put a prize in a predetermined number of packages. They wanted to do 10K, but it would of involved a lot of IRS paperwork. Then they found out they could do 5K without the paperwork, so it was much easier.
She needs a complete forensic tax audit from the IRS going back 13 years. The unaccounted for 20 dollar picture money, the things the fans have sent through out the years, the cash, gift cards just handed to her. The free clothing, all of the grifting products that companies have broken their necks to give her. Enough TP, at least enough for 10 rolls per day until infinity.
Yes, kate, even TP has value on it, at least 2 ways. Oh, I mean a 3rd. You got it for free.
Mojave Denizen said... 66 Localyokul, you misunderstood; I don't know anything, I am asking something. Is Jenna someone other than a friend? Because Kate (apparently, from the clip) did the inviting, I guess I was hoping Jenna was family or a family friend. It looks as if I were incorrect. Sorry for the confusion.
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No, I've just never heard of someone named Jenna. Whose kid is she?
Sara said: Overall, I thought the younger kids seemed content. ********************** It's hard to imagine we watched the same show.
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Oh, my gosh Millicent. I read that post at the bottom of the previous page, said the very same thing to myself that you just said, and then read your post (I read from the bottom up). How weird is that?
I haven't seen Betty Hayes in years, and while she's not "glamorous" like Kate, she looks the same as she did 5 years ago. She really hasn't aged much- with 10 kids, including one with CP! Betty is natural, and far more appealing physically.
Really I think it was rude of Collin to say to Leah, unkind for her to tattle, and wrong for Mady to set the example of insulting siblings.Their behavior across the board is not the best. Kate has not done the wonderful job with the kids she claims to. And what was with her saying in one clip her kids were superior because they could 'size someone up in a nanosecond?? ' Shouldn't a child be taught not to make hasty judgments of people?
I believe it is patently unfair to call a 10 year old a bully when the adult in his life hasn't taught him any different. **** I don't think it's bullying. I reserve that term for real, pernicious, malicious, repeated behavior. I call it teasing, and it can get pretty mean. That said, it's normal among sibling, to some degree.
I do think it comes from Kate, because she's made it clear that the girl tups' "Asian" hair is not smooth like hers and the twins- to the point that she flat irons it, which is ridiculous at that age.
Or maybe he's just trying to fight back a little from the daily berating he probably takes, including being tattled on by his sisters.
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I agree, Millicent. The best defense is offense. He can internalize his pain, or lash out. I know which one I would choose.
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This is the same sweet little boy who begged his mother to pay attention to him when he was constipated a few years ago (on national tv, no less). Maybe if she hadn't ignored him then and a million other times, he wouldn't be so outspoken now. It's a learned behavior KATE. Who did he get it from?
I can't remember which clip it's on, but he explained the dodgeball game they played with Mommie Dearest very clearly and very well. I hope someone takes the time to pay attention to him and listen to what he has to say. He's probably an intelligent young person (as I'm sure they all are) if his mother would stop harassing him.
I imagine he took quite a beating from her for the school incident a couple of years ago and she's been on his case about it ever since. She's the only one who is allowed to get out of line.
Tucker's (62) I find it very interesting that Steve's face was blurred out, and I can't really think of "why?" (...) So, Steve has been on camera for many years, whether just "in frame" and as part of the cast, so why blur him out now?
I know this is a reality show and the Actors' Guild rules don't really apply, but I have a feeling his blurred face has something to do with him asking for a higher fee.
I agree Millicent. I saw children truly upset about a circus/carnival being forced down their throats, I saw Colin go from sweet and talkative to belligerent in a heartbeat when he was ganged up on by the tattler and his mother, I saw kids talking back in nasty ways, making fun of their mom. I never heard one single time Yes Ma'am or No Ma'am. No indeedy, I did NOT see content children.
Vanessa said... 140 ''As much as a lot of people think Jon should stay quiet, he needs to clarify and prove she's lying. They "visit" their father. She's the sole provider. It's the only way she can provide, you'd never see/hear from her if they had enough to survive? Where's Remona?'' ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Remona has been spending time last night and again this morning typing my thoughts, and then deleting them because every single time my anger would build and I'd start speaking my second language of obscenities!
Now that Jon's children are older, TCFW seems worse to me because Jon's children are no longer abused and confused toddlers, but old enough to realize exactly what she is doing to them. My heart aches for both Jon and his children! Minus the curse words, my bottom line is that TCFMJG is STILL the lying liar who lies, absolute waste of skin and space, master of parental alienation, despicable, disgusting cruel and abusive to JON'S children, untreated mental case that she has always been!! !!!!!!
I watched the show. My impression was that Kate is worse than ever. The younger kids are all attractive. I worry about the twins; one seems like a victim of "depression" and the other reminds me of someone with bi-polar. My favorite scenes were the ones with the boys by themselves, no sisters or "mother". The worst scenes were the ones of Kate demeaning her kids and running her big lopsided lying mouth.
There's an article on The Stir website regarding Kate's "not letting kids win". It had some good points.
An excerpt:
"You know, her argument isn't completely without merit, but it's the "nobody is going to let me win" part that is confusing.
Because the kids won't let mom win, she, in turn, makes a point to beat their butts?
How ... childish?
The fact is, kids do need lessons about achieving and not always getting their way. Kate is right on that.
But there's something to be said for having fun too, for just getting to be kids. The disappointments of the "real" world come crashing down on them soon enough. At 10 or even 13 (the age of Gosselin's twins), kids have the right to still be kids.
That means having fun. It also means being a little selfish and expecting your parents to sacrifice for you -- be it by "letting" you win a game or giving you the last cookie.
You don't have to let your kids win EVERY game. That's not fun for anyone. But then again neither is losing every single time.
And isn't that what we want our kids to remember? Having fun with us?"
What will the kids remember about that game? Will they remember having fun, or will the remember mommy being the aggressive one who must win? Didn't she do the same thing during the NYC episode when they were playing Whackamole?
It is days like today that I am especially grateful this forum and you all exist. And Admin, you must be swamped today keeping up with all the activity here. Thank you for all the extra effort! I know we all appreciate it!
Going back to Collin--no, he wasn't bullying Leah. I wouldn't even call it teasing--he just simply insulted her. I'm not defending it, but I would like to point out that Leah didn't seem the least bit insulted. What's frightening is that she actually seemed to relish the opportunity to tell on him not once, but twice. I don't want to appear to be picking on Leah and Hannah, but as I've stated before, those two are Kate's favorites and it shows in their behavior and how they treat their siblings...and others. Remember the behavior of those two toward Jamie's son when they were playing at the picnic table? It was appalling. Another tell-tale sign is that it was Hannah who mocked Kate for complaining about being tired. Think any of the other six would have the nerve to do that (except for maybe Leah)? Highly doubtful.
Also neither here nor there, but were the boys wearing matching outfits at the Playzone place? I know the girls weren't, but the boys were all in black t-shirts. I didn't think of that until later.
I know this is a reality show and the Actors' Guild rules don't really apply, but I have a feeling his blurred face has something to do with him asking for a higher fee. June 20, 2014 at 11:06 AM ******* I was thinking along the same lines. I wonder if Steve's getting caught in frame, when he was not a part of the story line, was rather benign way back when. Now, not so much. Obviously, he signed on to be a character on the show toward the end, but before that, maybe he is like product placement. You didn't sign him on to be on the show, you don't show him.
It said on the screen that Jenna was Mady's best friend.
I DVR'd this travesty and just watched it. TCFW is still a f&*%ing twat. My thoughts.
Nobody should be picking out Aaden's glasses but Aaden. My oldest daughter started wearing glasses in second grade and I told her pick out what you want. You're the one wearing them. So she picked out a purple pair and loved them. Upgraded to wire rimmed in 4th/5th grade (can't remember) and then contacts in 7th. Never had an issue with her wearing them because she picked them out.
Thought the boys were adorable in their couch interviews. Collin, however, definitely shut down when TFCW spoke to him about the girl tup hair comment. That was sad. Never want to see a kid shut down like that. Hopefully he was thinking that his mother could go f%$k herself.
Thought the girl tups were also cute in their couch interviews.
M&C were open in their couch intereviews but C shut down when TCFW injected herself in the middle. She didn't need to be there. I've always felt that M, from the beginning of this fiasco, felt shoved aside. In my opinion, both M&C should've received a little extra attention once the tups arrived so they wouldn't feel like they were an after thought. I know it's hard when new babies arrive, but J&K had so much help the first year with the tups that they could've arranged something with the twins every once in a while. And if TFCW hadn't cut off her family, I'm sure Aunt Jodi would've gladly stepped in while J&K did something one on one with M&C.
Never, Ever have I called my children rabid beasts. E.V.E.R! I've never thought of them as rabid beasts either. What a f&^%ing, ignorant moron!
I can't believe TCFW, who's supposedly a germaphobe, would let a parrot be in her kitchen, let alone be on her counters. Again. What a f&^%ing, ignorant moron.
The one thing I remember about the Hayes 6 is that they are younger then the Gosselins but 2 years ahead of the Gosselins in school. I was shocked when the Hayes kids started Kindergarten at age 4, didn't the Gosselins turn 7 in kindergarten? The hayes family lives on one salary, a school police officer which has to be pretty similar to a nurses wage and they manage to have a 8 bedroom house(the bedrooms are very small but Betty wanted the older kids to have a small personal space) and send the kids to private school(Maybe Kate would not consider Catholic school private).
I would much rather watch Hayes family update but understand if they do not want the spotlight.
Thought the boys were adorable in their couch interviews. Collin, however, definitely shut down when TFCW spoke to him about the girl tup hair comment. That was sad. Never want to see a kid shut down like that. Hopefully he was thinking that his mother could go f%$k herself. ***** Ha! I wish we could see a segment with the kids' though bubbles...
"Who are you? You're not my mother!" "If you throw that ball at me I'm going to kick you in your crotch!" "I don't want your hug! I don't even want your genes!"
capecodmama said... 94 "...I can't believe TCFW, who's supposedly a germaphobe, would let a parrot be in her kitchen, let alone be on her counters. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ....et alone be on her cake!
Since we talked about the boys having some privacy in the chicken coop, it wouldn't surprise me if she didn't do something about it. I have a couple of ideas, but I don't want to give her any ideas in her freaking head.
What a controlling, damaged W she really is. I just saw a tweet saying, I've never hit a woman but I would be really tempted to knock out kate's twitter address I hate this lady I'd call it abuse how she uses kids to make money.
See kate, look what you have done. If you would of just stayed quiet and got a regular job, never started twitter and led a private life, putting your kids into after school activities, your life and your kids lives would be better off. But YOU have done this. You have pushed the envelope so far to the edge and put your children and yourself in potential harms way. This is horrible and inexcusable!
Remember on Ghost when Whoopie was in her office doing a reading for the AA lady that had the red colored hair and her husband came back and said DAAYYYYYNG! Girl, What did you do to your hair, YOUR KIDS? This is the reaction a lot of people are having.
Maybe Steve and his wife finally got sick and tired of being called names because of their association with Kate. Maybe he finally decided enough is enough of being dragged down with the famewhore. While he still loves the cash, maybe he took a stand and said he didn't want his face shown.
I bet if M and C have friends over TFW makes them hand over their phones. Don't know what she can do while kids are at school or AT friends houses though. Forbidden to Google, GMAB
There is no way Kate can stop her kids from googling. She isn't tech savy enough to put on filters or blocks. Kids know how to get around filters, ask any junior high/high school computer teacher!
There is no way Kate can stop her kids from googling. She isn't tech savy enough to put on filters or blocks. Kids know how to get around filters, ask any junior high/high school computer teacher! **************************************************************** She's delusional. Or it's just what she thinks makes her sound like she's protecting them, which makes her sound crazier than she already does. Wonder what she was referring to when the twins "heard" something before she could tell them?? That she was suing their father? That her diary was being published? What she really means is she hopes to give them her version of the "truth" to manipulate, brainwash and gaslight. Patty Hearst shit
I bet if M and C have friends over TFW makes them hand over their phones. Don't know what she can do while kids are at school or AT friends houses though. Forbidden to Google, GMAB ************************************************
Imagine? Really, what does she do? And they can't delete their texts? How the fuck would she know if they did or not?? She's out of her mind if she thinks those twins give her the absolute truth each and every day of their sad existence.
capecodmamma said: Never, Ever have I called my children rabid beasts. E.V.E.R! I've never thought of them as rabid beasts either. What a f&^%ing, ignorant moron! ******** Me either. Not even when he was going through the terrible two's and three's. Not even when he through a massive melt down in the middle of Target and I had to leave a full cart in the middle of an aisle and carry him kicking and screaming to the car.
I have a niece who is severely autistic, and certain sounds will send her into a frenzy. My sister must deal with this or other behavioral issues every day. Never once has she called her child a rabid beast.
If TFW's children are wild, poorly behaved, screech like banshees, fight amongst themselves, or are otherwise poorly behaved while in her care, that's her fault for her craptastic "parenting."
There is a rabid beast in that household, but she's got sweat sheen, jacked up hair, a foul temper and a dark heart. Can anyone figure out who I mean ;)
"Now here is the serious part, if it is true. Mady says that she spends all day in bed. “
if so Kate needs to stop worrying about getting a TV show and get her daughter some help. From watching the two teens, they clearly don’t want any part of the show. Cara is more passive and Mady is more aggressive about it. But their messages were reflected verbally, vocally, facially, and body language wise- loud and clear. ************************************************************
Well she just does what Mommie Dearest does, stays in bed.
Over And Out said... 82 Oh, my gosh Millicent. I read that post at the bottom of the previous page, said the very same thing to myself that you just said, and then read your post (I read from the bottom up). How weird is that? ***** LOL - great minds think alike? --------------------------------------------------- Remona Blue said... 89 ***** Agreed. ------------------------------------------------------ MiChi said... 92
Going back to Collin--no, he wasn't bullying Leah. I wouldn't even call it teasing--he just simply insulted her. I'm not defending it, but I would like to point out that Leah didn't seem the least bit insulted. What's frightening is that she actually seemed to relish the opportunity to tell on him not once, but twice. I don't want to appear to be picking on Leah and Hannah, but as ... ***** I think that behavior (tattling on each other and most particularly, on the boys) has been rewarded by TFW. What’s upsetting is seeing what appears to be enjoyment in tattling and getting a brother in trouble. -------------------------------------------------------
Paper Plates Forever! Yay! said... 102
Maybe Steve and his wife finally got sick and tired of being called names because of their association with Kate. Maybe he finally decided enough is enough of being dragged down with the famewhore. While he still loves the cash, maybe he took a stand and said he didn't want his face shown. ****** Yeah, but he’s still recognizable by his rat claws.
I don't think the kids should be filmed but I concur with Rhythm of Life...24 that something may come out of this fiasco. TCFW has proven that she hasn't changed, she's still the bitch from hell and she's not a mother but a dictator. The kids are clearly hurting, especially M&C and C, and maybe enough national negative publicity will come out of this that networks will realize she's not worth it. I doubt TLC will give her another show because been there, done that. If they were truly interested in her she would be on the air regularly. She's not. Here's hoping she's finally flushed.
I just thought of something... When Mady said "I'm a terrible role model, I spend all day in bed" do you think that was a conscious dig at Kate and all her lounging?
This is interesting: Alex McCord from RHONY is doing some kind of critic show. She covered HBB, TFW, and something else. She's pretty good.
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I think she's giving Kate too much credit and more importantly too much sympathy. That's exactly what how that calculating shrew wants people to feel about her. She mainly just defended TFW's excuses, imo.
She can't get a regular job because she'd draw too much attention? She needs to stay in reality gigs to make money? You'd want to jump off the Brooklyn Bridge if you had all those kids to look after? Please Alex. Everything that's going on in that house is by Kate's design. She wanted it, now she can live with it or change her ways.
2.395 million? Wow, not the ratings gold Kate was hoping for. It's much lower than the average viewership of J&K+8, and a million viewers less than even the premier of K+8. You'd expect that she would want to at least recapture her old numbers, but she didn't deliver. Too bad.
I just checked tvbythenumbers.com and the ratings are actually 2.359 million, not 2.395 million. No, not impressive, but just a little less impressive than previously thought.
The ratings are actually pretty respectable. 2.4 million people watched. Half-a-million more people tuned in than watched Honey Boo Boo, I'm surprised about that. It was beaten by American Restoration in the same time slot and was essentially tied with syndicated repeats of Big Bang Theory. Apparently a lot of the Pawn Stars audience switched to TFW at 10:00.
Those ratings, while good, aren't going to get TLC to push for new episodes other than the occasional update. The train wreck factor can't sustain a show as was evidenced by the shows cancellation in the first place. The tups turning teens will be a big draw I'm sure. It will be interesting to see if part 2 equals or exceeds part 1.
The best moment of the show - I don't think this has been mentioned yet - was when Kate was screeching about how she couldn't get hurt ice skating because she has to feed and clothe the kids - and one of the girl tups said in their interview "She doesn't clothe us. We clothe ourselves."
Bwahahaha!
I know she meant that they get dressed themselves, but it was still pretty funny because it sounded like she knew that they also have always funded their own clothes all of these years....
Didn't one of the boys get accused/ blamed/lectured for Globe Gate. Not sure if the boy was named, but the girl who actually did it certainly was not named after Kate made such a huge fuss over this!!! #GrowingUpGosselinAsAYuckyDisgustingBoy
Vanessa 116 - I see what you mean. Three of the girls went after Colin. They had mean looks in their eyes and seemed to want to attack him. Was that Cara who went after him, or do you suppose she was protecting him? It was bizarre.
One more- how come when "Hannah pooped in Hannah's underwears" Kate was so kind and understanding but when Aaden has a potty training accident on day five, TFW blew a gasket.
Kate is a twit said... 121 Ratings are in. 2.395 million.
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That is not good. I bet she and TLC were expecting rating up into the 5-6 million. I bet the second part is even lower. Who said that the ratings would be "gold?" Presidential?
On one of the clips, there was a discussion between K and M about inviting M's friend Jenna somewhere (the party? the game session?). M said that she doesn't like surprises, even nice ones. K then asked "then I shouldn't have invited her?, and M replied, "no, you should have told me you were inviting her. I wouldn't have been so negative about the event if I'd known she was invited."
The quotes are paraphrases, but that's the gist of the conversation.
You know, there are lots of people who don't like surprises. Not liking surprises is typical for people with ADHD, Asperger's, ASD, Down syndrome, and a whole bunch of other conditions, or just no condition at all. I don't think M has any particular condition, but I do think that she does not like and never has liked surprises. And you would think that if a casual viewer has noticed that, K would have noticed it in 13 years of living with her. K joyously beams "surprise!" and Ms first reaction is negative. How many times have we seen this happen? And K hasn't noticed it? Or her need to be the benevolent bestower of surprises is more important to her than her child's comfort?
Now that M has told K flat out that she doesn't like surprises, do you think K will listen and change? I'm not holding my breath.
I also think it's very intrusive and infantilizing for K to invite M's friend. What not ask M if she wants to invite her, let M extend the invitation, and say that the friend's parents can call K if they want more details. It's the mature way to handle it. M isn't a 3-year old who needs play-dates arranged by her mother!
I do think it is nice that M has a friend. Let's hope K doesn't much up the friendship for her.
Layla said... 128 I just checked tvbythenumbers.com and the ratings are actually 2.359 million, not 2.395 million. No, not impressive, but just a little less impressive than previously thought. =============
Layla---Thanks for the correction to my post. I think I was hung over from too much rumspringa and my eyes were blurred and I accidentally transposed 2 numbers.
Blowing (135) Kate was quoted yesterday as saying she's not worried about ratings because she knew it was going to be ratings gold. It was Hayley Glassman who tweeted that the show would get "Presidential" ratings. 2.359 is not bad, but definitely not the kind of number that makes TLC want to sign her back on. K+8 premiered with 3.4 million, and that show went downhill fast. This one, after 3 years, has more than a million less. It could bottom out very, very quickly. I can see TLC doing an update like this once a year or once every couple years, but they're idiots if they bring back the show. I think they all remember how bad the K+8 ratings got, and how much Kate demanded from them last time. I doubt that they'd want to deal with that hassle again.
Kate needed to make a very impressive showing to entice TLC back on board. 4-5 million would have been good numbers for her to shoot for. That way, even though the show would inevitably lose viewers as people got bored or sick of her, she could still expect a decent audience. But 2.35? Not much wiggle room. Once people started tuning out, she'd be in trouble immediately.
Kate said in a recent interview that she wanted another chance to "really hit it out of the ballpark". She got the chance. She failed to hit it out of the ballpark. Time for Plan B.
Kate is a twit (143) Hee, actually was a little thrilled to see that the numbers were even lower. As for the rumspringa, I think it's time to raise our glasses and toast TW's utter mediocrity. She didn't deliver.
Remember, Robert says this book is specifically for Collin. ____________________________
And that might be the very reason why this poor child appears to be the object of her greatest wrath.
TFW takes her wrath out on C* because of Robert's book? If I understand what you said, I disagree. I think C* was a target of TFW's long before Robert came on the scene.
This whole mess with twins vs. tups, boys vs. girls, Kate's disdain for boys/men and her inability to ever consider these factors is insane.
I think Mady is holding her to the fire, and has a lot she could say, and thus we are seeing a different Kate with Mady. I think this has evolved into a situation where Mady has the goods on Kate, and Kate knows it. Thus, the concerts, Mady's friend at the filming, etc...
Something ain't right in Gosselin world and TFW knows it.
Re: Steve but it might have to do with the fact that he is now known well enough by the public to be consider a full fledged "character" in the show, and thus entitled to a higher pay... I know this is a reality show and the Actors' Guild rules don't really apply, but I have a feeling his blurred face has something to do with him asking for a higher fee.
I'd imagine Steve isn't paid for being a part of the show but rather is paid for his security services - or whatever the heck he's claiming to provide TFW when he is in charge of carrying her purse and directing her thru airports. I think his company is making plenty of money working w/TLC for Little Couple and Honey Boo Boo and more w/o asking to be paid for a bit part on camera.
On Teen Mom, the only ones paid are the moms and dads; even the grandparents, who are many times big parts of the storyline receive no pay. The Housewives shows don't pay the friends or children. Of course not every contract is the same but reality show producers are pretty cheap and the contracts seem to be fairly standard. They're very tight regarding to control of the participant's actions and tight in regard to the pay.
Oh dear - I apologize for the appearance of the ratings I posted @ comment #130- the formatting didn't hold and the numbers and columns didn't stay lined up.
Someone tweeted Kate about a book she is mentioned in. Kate's reply sounds awfully familiar.
Kathryn Doane-Prout @gardens8 · 17m @Kateplusmy8 Did you see or read? You are mentioned in this book by this precious girl. Esther Earl who has cancer. pic.twitter.com/0NniE2wE4a
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 · 15m @gardens8 I bought it& it's right next2my bed! Just haven't gotten to read it.. Yet... Like so many other books I have! #Time2Read #IWish
BTW, during the tweet party that girl Nicole asked Kate twice if she had read her book.
I don't think TLC was expecting 4-5 million viewers. They might even be pleasantly surprised. Weren't her ratings around 600,000 when she got cancelled. And I agree with Kate I do think the haters are the ones who keep her on TV otherwise her book sales would be much higher.
The drama that everyone has been talking about, maybe planned?? Those shows are heavily scripted : you have the crazy mother, the angry teenager, the quiet leave me alone teenager, the rebellious little boy who mom treats like dirt, and the "littles" that always look out for each other and let's not forget the bird! Oh, and let's not forget the forgotten dog.
..I can't believe TCFW, who's supposedly a germaphobe, would let a parrot be in her kitchen, let alone be on her counters. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ....et alone be on her cake!
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Yup, a person's hands dare not touch a slice of pizza but a bird's shit covererd feet can walk on the kitchen counter.
I really, really hope that the people who watched last night out of curiosity--just wanted to see how big the kids are--will skip next week's show. And the people who watched and were repulsed by Kate's (and yes, the kids') behavior will tune out, too. If there is a drop in ratings between the first and the second parts, then TLC will have no trouble seeing that the audience for a Gosselin show is going to shrink fast. A repeat of K+8, but even worse because the number of viewers are already so much lower. I wonder if that's why they made this a two-part special. K+8 lost a million viewers from the first to the second episode. Maybe they want to see if that same trend will repeat itself. A decrease in viewers means the numbers are going to drop and a regular show is a bad idea.
Just curious since I didn't watch the show. Did they explain the timeline or are viewers supposed to believe their birthdays were within the same time period as their spring break? Any explanation about wearing winter coats and then in sleeveless shirts? TIA
That Tamaratattles is great! Can't wait to read their take on part2. One interesting thing that article said is that Kate spelled the kids names wrong. Was Tamara or did kate spell them wrong?
AS for Collin getting lectured, we don't know if there was something going on before that scene and that is why he said her hair is ugly.
Kate said sometime ago in some article that she has the kids spy on each other and correct/critize one another, so this is all of Kate's. doing. I saw the first 3 mins of HBB, it was really, really terrible, it really put the family in a very bad light. And Mama June does not give a shit either and neither does the rest.
I have to say: when Kate was on the ice in the chair, making that comment about the kids pushing her around, I was thinking, yeah, Kate they will push you around and right off a cliff. it was all about poor harried tirer Kate.
Does anyone know if Kate's descriptions of her kids are the same ones in the book and what she said on a old JK8 episode the same?
I just thought of something. If all those fans out there took Ziggy the Brainiac's advice and turned on all their TV in the house, that means we can cut that ratings number in half at least. LOL
Did anyone notice how Collin's breathing intensified when Kate started to reprimand him? It was visible on the couch and when he was standing next to her. That child is terrified of his mother. Terrified. It was heartbreaking to watch.
You know what was gross, was letting the bird on the counter when you are cooking and, then the bird being a bird, decided to talk a walk on the cake. EWWWWWWWWW! I wonder what those kids thought after seeing it on TV yesterday, and knowing they ate that cake, or did kate get another cake for the TV special.
OT: I got another bird to keep my other parakeet company: I think it is a girl and I named her Sunnee, she is yellow, and has a baby voice, tripped around the cage, and now is use to everything. I did not pay $500, for this bird, it was on sale at Petsupplies plus for $16.99, and I got a mark down cage for $9.97. The other cage was falling apart.
A few years back Teresa Guidice of RHNJ was bitching because her four minor children were not being paid but RHNJ Caroline Manzo's three adult children were each being paid $20,000 per season. So it looks like Bravo pays adult children but not minors.
Carole said... 158 Just curious since I didn't watch the show. Did they explain the timeline or are viewers supposed to believe their birthdays were within the same time period as their spring break? Any explanation about wearing winter coats and then in sleeveless shirts? TIA -------------------
When the first actual scene of the show opened, it said on the bottom of the screen "March". So they did admit that spring break actually occurred in March.
Most people know that the tups birthday is in May, so they were being honest about the timeline. Although next week, they probably won't mention that the party didn't occur on their actual birthday.
I'm curious about the spotting of Kate in Michael's in May. Could be that she was just getting additional party supplies to make the signs for the various events. I wonder if that will be shown. The person who tweeted that did say that they were filming.
(Leslie) Thanks Carole and JoyinVirginia for answering my question about the interviews being shown on TV and the internet.
Kate said that she would not film without her regular film crew that they had in the past. Well, what about the ABC film crew that filmed the kids for 5 to 7 full days that were complete strangers to the kids. And also the strange new "mother" that came along with it. Kate is a liar supreme.
TFW takes her wrath out on C* because of Robert's book? If I understand what you said, I disagree. I think C* was a target of TFW's long before Robert came on the scene. _______________________________
Hey Carole. I probably didn't explain myself clearly. Yes, Collin has absolutely been a target for TFW long before Robert's book, but Robert specifically singling him out probably incensed her even further.
I am in no way blaming RH for how she treats Collin, I just think someone, anyone, showing Collin special concern or empathy adds to her anger towards him. She is sick and twisted. So much so that it wouldn't surprise me in the least if she has told his siblings that he is to blame for a nasty book about her. She plays perverted blame games. It's just all too sad.
Why was TFW sitting sandwiched between the two twins for the couch interviews like she was one of them? You could see her being in her glory.... See? I'm one with the twins! We're actually triplets!
It would be interesting to get a psychologist's take on that. 1
Knowing only what was shown - CONTROL. I think Mady has her number and she's never sure what Mady might or might not (ha, ha) say
This whole Gosselin mess is just too sad for words. Can anyone stop this woman in her tracks from continuing to grift and beg to be on television? Too bad Jon couldn't be the parent living in the mini-mansion staying with and loving the children.
So the kids were threatened if "one granule" of sugar went astray when they baked, and the surfaces were covered with plastic bags, but Zorro is allowed to salsa dance on the counters?
Can you imagine trying to keep rules straight in that household? To doubt your next move to the point where you're paralyzed with fear? So maybe you just render yourself invisible. Or you strike out first, because at least you'd be in control of the situation for at least a minute. Or you go with the flow, and hope being one of Mommy's favorites will keep you safe?
There is emotional abuse going on in that household, and TFW is not nearly clever enough to realize she has just completely removed her mask. And I hope something good comes out of last night's eye-opening look into her dark psyche.
I am in no way blaming RH for how she treats Collin, I just think someone, anyone, showing Collin special concern or empathy adds to her anger towards him.
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She might also be blaming him for being expelled from school, and therefore embarrassing her.
Librarylady: yep, meaning, Kate has just started to let the "littles"(stupid name)help themselves in the kitchen, that is why, when Kate open the cabinet door there was instructions there. It seems Kate has instructions all over the house, not just for hired help but for the kids. The chore chart, and the check off chore chart for the chickens.
Like the boys are going to forget a few simple things like: 1. change water, 2.fill container with water, 3 turn water off. 4.carry container with water to fill chicken water bowl 5. get chicken feed, 6.fill chicken feed bowl 7.put chicken feed away 8. clean chicken poop 9. collect eggs 10. put out new hay 11. take old hay with poop out to the pile 12. check off chores, sign sheet date & time started & finished. 13. turn light off 14. bring sheet to house, 15. close door 16. use walkie talkie to check in with mom and to let her know you are on your way to house. (remember on CWS, the girls used a walkie Talkie to let whoever was in the house, that they were finished in the barn). Kate really does not trust her kids. You would think that after almost 3 years, those boys would know what they are doing. Since according to one of the tup girls and Kate this is the only chore that they do according to tup girl and Kate, the only manly thing they do.
Kate is a twit (169) Kate and the sheeple definitely thought the ratings for CWS were due to her. She's ratings gold! Barbara Walters said so! And definitely they equate her being controversial with high ratings. Kate herself said as much when she was asked about going back on DWTS a couple years ago (although she wasn't asked). Someone tweeted to her about her lack of dancing ability and she tweeted back saying that she would bring in controversy and ratings, not dancing ability. The high ratings for CWS, in her mind, were all due to her. But now, with such low ratings for the special, she's got to be just baffled. She thought she'd bring in huge numbers. A "source close to Kate" said she wasn't even worried about the ratings because she knew they would be big. Except they weren't. And the ratings will be worse next week when the people who just wanted to see how the kids have grown tune out. What will her excuse be then?
I don't think I have seen this mentioned yet, but when Shoka made his very brief appearance, they showed him being fed outside, in MARCH, snow on the ground and all...but her bird baby gets the run of the place? Wtf!
T: according to Kate, the dog loves being outside. BS. When Kate said she loves pets and takes very good care of them I thought I was going to puke. Yeah Kate, like when you had both dogs and kept them in a cage all the time and sometimes forgot to feed them and give them water, and let them out of cage to poop & pee, so they stayed in cages, in their own mess. Till Jon took them away. Or when one of the dogs ate one of the kids toy and almost died. Yeah, you love animals, that's why you keep the dog outside most of the time. Dogs are pack animals. I also think they were filming way before march, the chore chart had on there, the chores of watering the xmas tree, and cleaning up the needles. The Xmas tree would have been gone by march, and the chore chart changed, don't yeah think?
Kate seems to alternate between two bizarre extremes with the twins. Being the prison warden, and being their BFF. You can't trust a warden who spoils you every so often with movie dates and dinner away from the rabid younger six, and you can't trust a BFF who steals your iphone. It must be terribly confusing for them but that's all part of being a child of a narcissist, they keep you on your toes.
Sadly, the children need neither from a mother, neither a warden nor a BFF.
I get the somewhat reasonable ratings. I don't think most people are on twitter or following her that closely so for them it really is kind of a curiosity factor with an update. I think the true test is what happens next week, whether these viewers will stick around.
The thing too is that it sounds like TLC laid it all out there. They threw everyone under the bus, even the kids. They showed the most drama and headaches possible.
I think that will get viewers. For ONE episode. The problem is you can't keep showing people so difficult to watch week after week. There has to be that balance. THere has to be someone to root for. The kids are frustrated and lashing out and as much as viewers feel for them in all honesty it's hard for a casual viewer to "root" for them. They are missing the hook that made Jon and Kate work, which was the balance between Kate and Jon. Basically what they have here is a one trick pony. And a one trick pony will get ratings their first time around the ring and perhaps even their second. After that, yawn.
Glad to see you commenting, Admin! I feared you headed for the Genius Bar and ended up at a different kind of bar, and might be nursing a Rumspringa hangover by now.
Vanessa, 156..."Yup, a person's hands dare not touch a slice of pizza but a bird's shit covererd feet can walk on the kitchen counter."
---------------- This is true, except that parrots don't poop on their feet. The only way the bird would have poopy feet is if Kate didn't clean the grate at the bottom of the cage and he walked around in it. They normally don't do that...they stay on their perches or climb the bars of the cage. She lets the bird perch on the kids' shoulders and back, and her bare shoulders. If the feet were covered with poop, I really doubt she would allow that, but with Kate, who knows?
Of course, she wouldn't let the kids walk around a hotel carpet in their bare feet, but she traipsed around NYC without shoes. She makes no sense whatsoever.
I think Mady is holding her to the fire, and has a lot she could say, and thus we are seeing a different Kate with Mady. I think this has evolved into a situation where Mady has the goods on Kate, and Kate knows it. Thus, the concerts, Mady's friend at the filming, etc... --------------------------------------------------------------------
I think Kate tries her best to appease Mady during filming so Kate doesn't feel embarrassed in front of a national audience. I think this is why only Mady's friend showed up at the Game Zone place and it's also why Mady was the last person to get eliminated in GaGa ball up until the point where Kate just had to win. Keeping Mady happy stifles her otherwise brashly honest tongue which makes Kate look like a better Mother.
Layla, it's getting really old to be told or urged to not watch. As has been said so often, all the fans and non fans added together on these blogs won't make a dent in the ratings. I for one, will most definitely be watching.
Another thing I wanted to mention about the broken "foot" Kate said "I broke my foot and I still hobbled out and fed you" to the kids. --------------------------------------------------
Kate "hobbled out" from where, her bedroom? That is her sanctuary, especially when the kids are home, broken toefoot or not.
Vanessa, 156..."Yup, a person's hands dare not touch a slice of pizza but a bird's shit covererd feet can walk on the kitchen counter."
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SIS - Kate has an open tray on the counter with a small upright tree branch attached to it. Zorro was sitting on it and nibbling veggies they'd put there. The tray looks like it might not catch all his droppings.
Another thing I wanted to mention about the broken "foot" Kate said "I broke my foot and I still hobbled out and fed you" to the kids.
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That is absolutely disgusting. How many of us mothers have been sicker than a dog, having been the lucky recipient of the flu or other bug that was passed around by our children? Do we cast it up to our kids that we took care of them? Of course not. Even when we are sick ourselves, our kids come first. I remember a time when all of my kids had the darn stomach bug. I went from room to room, changing sheets, having to do laundry because I ran out of clean bedding, comforting them, making sure that they stayed hydrated, fevers were down, and everything else that moms do in their role as nurses. I was so sick myself that I could hardly get around, but I did. Never once did I ever mention this to my children, even though I wanted to crawl into bed, pull the sheets up over my head and have someone take care of me.
Kate broke her widdle toe and she was a martyr for the cause. Big hand for the best mom in the world. She didn't let her kids starve. Geez. What an ego.
This whole mess with twins vs. tups, boys vs. girls, Kate's disdain for boys/men and her inability to ever consider these factors is insane.
I think Mady is holding her to the fire, and has a lot she could say, and thus we are seeing a different Kate with Mady.
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I've said for a long time the twins have been extorting Kate. Okay maybe extortion is too strong a word but I agree Mady will talk and mommie knows it. Cara would probably side with her sister if push came to shove. Pretty tense situation but boohoo for Kate. She set herself up for what's coming from the beginning.
I worry about the twins; one seems like a victim of "depression" and the other reminds me of someone with bi-polar.
Do we really need to start labelling these children with psychological diagnoses? Aren't they labelled enough? They don't need to be told they have psychiatric diagnoses.
I think that will get viewers. For ONE episode. The problem is you can't keep showing people so difficult to watch week after week.
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Correct. In addition, what else could they possibly show? Their life inside that house would get pretty darn mundane after awhile. I seriously doubt that TLC would cough up the money to send them on the trips that Kate wishes would happen. I would hope that TLC knows that viewers are so over seeing this family getting free vacations, free this and free that. Nobody can relate to that, and it gets old. Who wants to watch Kate and the kids romp on the beach, feed the dolphins or climb lighthouse steps? Except for Milo, of course, and a few deranged sheeple.
SIS - Kate has an open tray on the counter with a small upright tree branch attached to it.
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Those are room perches/play stands. That's the way they are built. They range in size from counter perches to very large, elaborate gyms. She has the smaller one. They often come with bird toys attached, or you can put your own on there. It's fairly easy to keep clean. Google wooden bird play stand. Kate claims the bird is potty trained, and if she's not fibbing, then the bird won't poop on that play gym, but will only use his cage to do his business.
Sleepless In Seattle said... 6 SIS - Kate has an open tray on the counter with a small upright tree branch attached to it.
------------------ . . .Kate claims the bird is potty trained, and if she's not fibbing, then the bird won't poop on that play gym, but will only use his cage to do his business.
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But then how do you explain the poop that apparently was visible on the back of Kate's shit at some point? I didn't watch but did notice this comment on her Twitter:
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 · Jun 19 I DID? Sadly crap happens! RT @Mrs_Thood: Watching #KatePlus8 and @Kateplusmy8 has bird poop down her back lol #thestruggleisreal
Denise @Mydmaxx 2h @Paige_Kate8fan @Kateplusmy8 I recorded so I can watch over & over again too !
___________________________ Why would you want to watch the workings of a dysfunctional family and bad parenting over and over again? Sheeple psychology intrigues me.
For some reason, this one reminds me of Brownie the Cereal Lady.
So if Mady's friend was invited, and apparently without informing Mady, does that mean that between the 8 children there is only 1 friend close enough to be invited to the outing? This is beyond sad and pathetic.
LOL! Thank you for posting this! I didn't watch it so the recap is great!
"It is supposedly the kids’ Spring Break, so naturally Kate has a full agenda of forced-family fun they will enjoy whether they want to or not. There was a military briefing with the children. "
' I think Mady should run far away now and try to get adopted by a pack of wolves. It would be preferable to her current situation."
"Mady’s twin (Cara?) has not said three words and seems to be picking at her clothes a lot and praying for a swift and painless death."
" Poor Collin, your mother is (C you next Tuesday) and is particularly sensitive about the hair thing because she has been internationally humiliated over her poor choices in hairstyles. It’s not your fault. If I were there I would give you a cookie. Or a Glock, because no jury in the world would convict you, dear."
"Kate, the most delusional person in the world asks “Mady why are you so hard on yourself?” Oh I dunno Kate, maybe it is 13 years of you telling her to shut up and making her feel worthless?"
So TFMJG has the boys only doing the chicken care because it's the only "manly" thing they do? I hate to burst her bubble (No I don't -- evil chuckle), but caring for the chickens was normally the responsibility of the wife and daughters of the family. That and milking/caring for the dairy cow. There's a reason the wife's extra spending money was referred to as "butter and egg money". So once again she's emasculating her sons and getting her facts wrong! I'm so glad I didn't watch the show. I'm getting high blood pressure just reading about it. I discovered a very pressing need to trim my kitty's claws about 10 PM last night, LOL.
She was so manipulative with Mady. Mady voiced a concern (I don't like surprises) and what she needed (next time ask me first) in a very mature, rational manner.
TFW turned it around on her saying, oh next time I shouldn't invite her?
And even then Mady responded maturely, saying, no I didn't say that. I said next time ask me first.
TFW continued with the manipulation saying she wouldn't invite a friend next time.
Disgusting. She just had to win, had to have the last word. Couldn't just say, oh i'm sorry. You're right, I didn't think. After this I'll ask you first.
getofftwitter said... 161 Kate said sometime ago in some article that she has the kids spy on each other and correct/critize one another, so this is all of Kate's. doing.
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Yes, Inspector Gadget..You can see on one of the chore lists shown on the clip above the beginning of Inspector Ga...
Also, the list said something (the chickens?) had to be checked by an ADULT. Well who the hell would that be besides TFW? Or does she consider the twins adults?
But then how do you explain the poop that apparently was visible on the back of Kate's shit at some point? I didn't watch but did notice this comment on her Twitter:
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How do I explain it, or is "you" the generic (indefinite) "you?"
If there was poop on Kate's shirt, then the bird pooped. Kate claimed early on that the bird is potty trained and never goes outside his cage. I remember commenting way back when that potty training can be done, but it requires a tremendous amount of patience and experience with birds. Kate has neither. I don't for one second believe that Kate potty trained that bird. As I commented when Kate first made that claim and if it's true, then either she had someone train it, or someone took the time to do it at the place of purchase.
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I didn't watch the special...Titantic was on Oxygen...love that Leo DiCaprio...but just reading through the comments...Kate seems to reinforced that she is just one bat-shit crazy woman.
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The boys were absolutely charming when they were talking about each other.
On the other hand, Kate had no business playing that dodgeball game with the kids. She really was acting like an immature bully to Mady. When Mady angrily shoved Kate after, that was very telling. It was not a gentle shove. Who does that to their mother? Not normal.
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I've only watched clips so far and saw the dodgeball fiasco.
I think Mady was faking at the end, and that's fine. The thing is, it would be great for Kate to have allowed Mady to save face and end the game and win by default, rather than take the kill shot.
That pissed Mady off. Mady tried to avoid that embarrassing and angering moment, and instead of Kate taking that "out", she went in for the kill, uh, I mean, win.
Mady was fuming. Obviously she doesn't like losing, especially at the hands of her mother in an unfair matchup, on playing field that is not level.
Kate's invading her space and attempting a hug was like trying to hug a cactus and expecting it to be pleasant.
I don't blame Mady for shoving away. Her reaction was very physical, but for God's sake, Kate should know Mady's nature by now and not gotten into her personal space when she knew damn well that Mady wanted no parts of it.
Better to have just walked away, and said "good game" and left it at that.
But, of course, Kate had to put on a show for the camera.
When have we ever seen her hug one of her children?
I can't remember. Not in the recent past, and certainly, not in an affectionate and spontaneous moment that is "just because".
No- she has to try to hug Mady after she beat her at a game she should be playing with grown ups her own size.
This scene was STRAIGHT out of Mommy Dearest, right down to explaining way the bitch would never concede a competition to a CHILD.
A question for those of you who watched: when the other kids told Aaden the glasses he picked out were ugly, did she give all of them the "We don't tear down, we build up" speech? Or is that speech reserved only for Collin? I makes me mad that she lectures him on camera for saying someone's hair was ugly, but ignored it when Mady said the tups have bad hair. Why is it wrong for Collin and nobody else? Why is he held to a different standard?
Side note: the scene where they get glasses for Aaden was filmed so that she could get TLC to pay for the new glasses. She was going to squeeze every dime she could out of them for this special. Remember in the book, when TLC balked at paying for the construction of M&C's room, and she said if they weren't going to pay for it, then they couldn't film it? Same thing. She is out to take them for everything she could get.
When Kate tells Collin he needs a "filter" she gave him some examples of what he should have said that are less offensive. Instead of saying "you're hair is ugly", she said you could say "I've seen better".
How is that any better than what he actually said? It's still a put down.
Here is an article from Gawker.com about the show. It has some clips from the show including the lecture to Collin and Kate playing that game with Mady.
There is also the clip of the kids telling Kate that she didn't break her foot, that she broke her toe. Scroll down to the bottom for that one. That was the only part of the show that actually made me laugh.
http://gawker.com/wicked-birth-mother-kate-gosselin-wont-let-her-children-1593620770
As far as what the write said in the article, I do believe it was all snark.
Vanessa said... 182
You know it had to sucker punch him in the gut to hear Colin say, No wonder dad left.
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Did Colin say this?
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This was from a tweet. Colin did not say this, it was someone commenting on how poorly Colin is treated, similar to how Jon was treated.
Admin, Leah didn't ask if Collin liked her hair, he just offered it up, in a mean way. I don't think that is appropriate, but it is normal sibling stuff. I think the comment would have slid if he didn't jab at her again after Kate pretty calmly said to Collin that it wasn't nice. After that she called him in the kitchen and gave him the speech. Yes, she is a hypocrite.
Kids surely should have opinions, but this was just mean. Collin may very well be a bully like his mother.
Kate seemed to be teaching Collin to do the same type of thing she does in the media...put a spin on the truth so that no one can really understand what you're saying...and then maybe you will come off in a better light...unfortunately for Kate it doesn't work at least not with people who can see through it...
Sara said...Collin may very well be a bully like his mother.
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My Sheeple-dar is going up...
gotyournumberKate said... 127
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Thanks for linking this blog post from the WaPo:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/style-blog/wp/2014/06/19/the-gosselins-a-family-torn-by-reality-tv-return-to-our-screens/
It is well worth the read. Short, sweet, astute, objective and spot on.
Can anyone make it clickable??
From IMDb- Mommie Dearest pool race scene
[Joan has just easily beaten Christina in a pool race]
Joan Crawford: Oh, you lost again.
Christina Crawford: It's not fair. You're bigger than I am, it's not fair to win twice.
Joan Crawford: AH, but nobody ever said life was fair, Tina. I'm bigger and I'm faster. I will always beat you.
Christina Crawford: Then I'm not gonna play with you any more. EVER.
Joan Crawford: Don't you EVER use that tone of voice with me, missy. WHO DO YOU THINK YOU'RE TALKING TO? I'll tell you what you're gonna do, you're gonna MARCH yourself UPSTAIRS to your room and you will STAY THERE until I tell you to come out.
Christina Crawford: No I won't.
Joan Crawford: No you won't? Yes... you... WILL.
[spanks Tina, but she resists]
Joan Crawford: You will go up...
Christina Crawford: I WON'T GO.
Joan Crawford: ALL RIGHT, all right. You will stay in here until you are ready to behave...
Christina Crawford: I WON'T. NO I WON'T. I WON'T.
Joan Crawford: ...AND TO APOLOGIZE.
Christina Crawford: I won't.
Joan Crawford: Get IN.
[slams her in the pool house]
Christina Crawford: AAAAAHHHHH, MOMMIE
Localyocul said:
When my dd was 3 I introduced her to Candyland. It's a random game so sometimes she won, sometimes I won. But we had a rule: the winner had to say "good game" and the loser had to say "congratulations"
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Hi everyone! I thought I'd come on over today and read your thoughts after TFW's "comeback." What a hot mess!
Local, I think what you do with your daughter after a game is a great idea! In fact, I use that as a strategy in therapy addressing social skills. After a game, the loser is usually disappointed and sometimes downright angry. After I've taught them the "script" of "Good game!, Better luck next time, That was fun!" etc, I will cue them with "What can we say?" Then they will use those comments. It's amazing how doing that diffuses the anger and disappointment. Since using this technique, I've had no one leave in a huff because he/she lost a game.
I've seen better? Ouch! How about, what's important is do you like it?
Just wondering when we will know the viewer stats?
Looks like Kate gained at least 5,000 new Twitter followers. The tweets per hour was up to 3,000 tweets last night.
Also, did she say that Colin wasn't challenged enough at his school? I don't think that expensive school will like hearing that line!
Thanks swimgirl. I didn't realize it was from a tweet. My apologizes.
When Colin first said that her hair was ugly, kate told him, and he got quiet, but kate kept on and on about it and he said it again I think because kate wouldn't shut up about it. Then he got the lecture. I know when she said, I've seen it look better. She is an idiot. It is basically the same put down.
TFW really misses the point on playing with your children and "letting them win". As an adult, I wasbigger, faster and stronger than my children so I naturally had an advantage over them. So I scaled down when I played them in a sport so we could have fun, enjoy the sport and it encouraged them to keep playing with me. It no different than when I play tennis with a friend who plays in a competitive league. She dials down her playing so we can have fun and enjoy the game at a level that better suits my lack of skill.
My kids are now all teens and are much better than me now in sports but we still play together. Of course, they now dial their game down for me!
Mady trashed the tups' hair too.I wonder if she got the lecture Collin did ? I have the feeling Kate is a little leery of Mady and her backtalk these days.
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I think Mady was faking at the end, and that's fine. The thing is, it would be great for Kate to have allowed Mady to save face and end the game and win by default, rather than take the kill shot.
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I just watched the clip too and thought if Mady was faking it for dramatics, as Kate said, gee I wonder who she learned it from. All eight have been watching their mother have dramatics to get what she wants since they were born.
She says she's teaching them life skills so they can grow up to be independent and live a great life BUT if nobody lets you "win", then just sic a piece of human waste like McGibney on them to scare them into submission. Sue your children's father - there's a life skill every kid should learn. Scam innocent church-goers for their money, that's another handy tool if you ever need a few extra bucks. When people piss you off after they see right through your ruse, just kick them to the curb and move on to the next victim. There's plenty more suckers out there to go after.
Life skills my ass.
I totally agree. This is just a mess and TFW is full of conflicting and hypocritical contridictions. Which is it? She tells one host that filming the update was something that everyone had to vote yes for unanimously. Then she tells another host that we wouldn't see them if she didn't have to support the kids. If she has to do this to support the kids what's the point of the vote? Was there ever a vote? She really thinks people are stupid and don't put all her lies together.
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They have to agree. They have no choice. If they refuse, they face the wrath of their mother. They know what she is, and what she is capable of doing. They have to live with her. There is no doubt in my mind that if she told them they wouldn't film, there would be no money to stay in that house with the POOL, and they'd have to go to another school. Lay the guilt trip on them, and of course they would agree. She's that much of a screwed-up parent.
Maybe it wasn't such a bad thing that this was filmed. While I feel for the kids, it does show that she is psychotic and has mental issues. This film is documentation for Jon, in case he ever needs it for whatever reason. If the school parents and teachers watch it, they have a much better idea of what goes on within that home. Perhaps they had no idea that things are this bad. They do now.
I wonder if Milo is seeing nothing for positive tweets this morning. How she could make that ridiculous tweet is beyond me. She and Kate are cut from the same cloth. Both are delusional. They belong together.
I looked at the boys feeding the chickens in a different way. This was their time to be together without everyone else, especially Kate. They can laugh and be boys. Sure there's work that has to be done. But while doing it they are not under Kate's iron fist for a little time. The boys seems to have bonded in a positive way and I believe its because they have/had to rely on each other to carry the heavy buckets and sacks of feed. They had to work as a team to accomplish at task.
And by being in the chicken coop they can say what they want about the others without the others hearing it. And subsequently the boys being punished for not being positive enough for Kate.
For a few short minutes they can be boys; laughing, shoving, enjoying each other.
I now someone posted this link to the gawker article, http://gawker.com/wicked-birth-mother-kate-gosselin-wont-let-her-children-1593620770/all.
Read the article and comments. They are hilarious!! Warning, the language can be a little rough and I do not like the comments slamming Mady, but the comments about TFW are spot on!
Admin, your analogy of Cara being Red and Mady being Andy was brilliant.
Kate always said Joel reminded her of Jon. I think she complained of both of them 'breathing' and that Joel had a glazed look.She stated he looked like a mini-Jon even as a newborn preemie. She treated Joel badly, just as she did Jon. I think Collin was not as easily deterred by her- she often said he did not obey her. She has been trying to break his spirit since he was a baby.
Vanessa said... 195
Watch the expression on one of the girl tups faces when TFW did that. Her mouth drops open in shock and her face shows distress for Mady.
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Better yet, there is a girl about the twins' age who must be a friend. Watch HER WTF face! Very telling.
This must have been filmed the day some girls tweeted that they work and SkyZone and the Gosselin family were there.
I tuned in to this travesty for 3 minutes and 3 minutes was to long. I shut the dam tv off for the evening. The thought of Kate trying to blow smoke up every ones ass with her "see I am a good mommy attitude" and "I have changed attitude" made me sick to my stomach.
Mrs. Malaprop said... 17
Localyocul said:
When my dd was 3 I introduced her to Candyland. It's a random game so sometimes she won, sometimes I won. But we had a rule: the winner had to say "good game" and the loser had to say "congratulations"
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Hi everyone! I thought I'd come on over today and read your thoughts after TFW's "comeback." What a hot mess!
Local, I think what you do with your daughter after a game is a great idea!
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Thanks!
I saw Jenna in one of the clips. Isn't Jenna their cousin? Wouldn't that be a HUGE concession on Kate's part? Because there is no discussion of a cousin attending, I wonder if I remember who she is incorrectly.
And because Mady was not excited, but just annoyed that Kate felt the need to spring a surprise on her, whoever Jenna is, she is not a long-lost anything. I would love, love to see any evidence of the isolation barriers crumbling. Does anyone have more information on who Jenna is?
I watched the second time. There are so many things. But I will bring up a few. The eye glasses, sorry Kate if my child broke their glasses, it would be ASAP to the eye place and get a new pair, not wait till TLC filmed & paid for it.
As I see it, Kate is going to have lots of problems with her kids, dew to her, not stopping those kids when they start fighting. Kate should have been involved from day one, in reffing the kids, not letting them fight it out and be tattlers.
Another: Kate did take a stab at the critics, people who dislike her, hate her. When Colin said to that one tup girl her hair is ugly, and the little tattler, told mom, Kate came back with: something like: if you can't say something nice don't say anything at all and then added something about: you don't say bad things and then something about I've seen better. That was a stab at the critics. Didn't Kate say a while ago that her kids spy on each other, and they critize each other. So what was this with Colin all about.
Next, the boys only take care of the chickens, I thought, she told Kendra that the girls would be sharing in that chore? What Kate say: this is their only manly thing they do. Kate they are children, little boys, they are not men yet. I also think Kate keeps that one boy from seeing dad cause, perhaps the kid said he wants to live with dad, so for punishment Kate keeps him from his dad. The kid might have no love for Kate, and she can't stand that.
It looks like they were filming since Xmas, or just after. hen Kate first mentioned the camera crew was there or coming. They were filming for several months.
The kids have no choice in anything. Kate twists it to make it seem like it was the kids idea and choice. Going to the that game place. Kate did not ask the kids what they wanted to do on break, she told them what, they will do on break. But said it in a way it sounded like the kids made the choice. Just like the birthday party, Kate was determine to have a circus party, wether the kids wanted(which was clear they did not)it or not. Kate never asked the kids what kind of party they wanted. It was this is what we are doing like it or not.
Did anyone notice the back ground, there was a pic of the dog and the kids, she only recently change the background. Did anyone catch the couple of clips with Jon in them? I truely believe Kate is still hung up on Jon, she has not moved on. Jon should sue her for using his image and get some money. if they blurred him that would have been different.
Let's say Kate was about 90% full of it, her own kids, contradicted her. And Kate made an ass of herself. Hey, Kate, you and millions of mom have teens, you are nothing new. I think she is angling for a show called Raising Gosselins. JMO
Where were they playing this charming-sounding dodgeball game?
sparkle said... 16
From IMDb- Mommie Dearest pool race scene
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Frightening. Just replace the names with Mady and tfw
The hairgate, I would have told the kid to stop, teasing, then tell the other one who told, nobody likes a tattler, and drop it. Usually when kids do that kind of scene, the other would say your ugly too, right back, not tattle to mom, and I think that tup girl smiled, after telling. it is clear that Kate does not care much for the boys. JMO
Sara said...Collin may very well be a bully like his mother.
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My Sheeple-dar is going up...
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Definitly NOT a sheeple. I read him every day and post occasionally. But I call it as I see it.
Me saying I think Collin is a bully does not make me a sheeple.
These kids are a product of a very toxic environment. I make no claim to be a child advocate. I watched the show to snark about. To pick it all apart like we do here.
Sara
I've just read all the comments on the show (which I didn't watch),
and I have a feeling of despair about these poor children matched
only by the first time I read the excerpts from the book. I felt like
I had a sense of the extent of the damage done in that household,
but now I think it's far more profound than I could have imagined.
I think her mental illness has gone unchecked and has caused irreparable harm to 8 innocent lives. It is heartbreaking.
I don't even have the psychic energy to snark about that
woman. Where are you Dwindle? Today feels like one of
those days when cyber hand-holding might be in order...
Kids surely should have opinions, but this was just mean. Collin may very well be a bully like his mother.
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A mean (mean?) comment about hair is peanuts compared to the name calling and insults that go on that house. She's not just a hypocrite, she's the example, the leader of the pack. It's a hierarchy and Colin is at the bottom with the boys. She bullies Mady, Mady in turn bullies the tups, the girl tups bully the boys and poor Colin? Well he gets it from EVERYONE.
About the Candyland game. Reminds me of the little girl I use to babysit. E was about 6, 7, 8 years old and our favorite game was UNO. She was good. Every time I needed a UNO card, she would get one! lol And we would laugh! I would go Oh, NO! UNO again, you got it again? We would laugh through the whole game.
I read somewhere that a mom had a rule for a board game that who ever wins the game and they are finished playing, the winner has to place all the pieces of the game and put it all back into the box and put it up. Nothing like losing a couple of games and get stuck putting it all back up.
Well, kate. I hope that kill shot made you happy. To the victor, go the spoils, over your children.
Jon can;t sue TLC for having old clips played. They own it all.
I didn't mean that Collin looked like Jon. I meant that for whatever reason, TFW sees Jon when she looks at Collin.
Probably because he causes her to feel the same frustration she feels/felt when trying to deal with Jon?
Bottom line...Kate just does not like her children (Kate has no "maternal chip")...They are a means to an end for her.
FYI Gaga ball is a BIG game here in PA, especially at summer camps and church events. My kids love it, and there's always a pit at the camps they've been to and now work at. However, the G kids probably didn't know much about it because they don't attend camps? ? BTW...disclaimer, I did not watch the show. I don't have anything other than basic cable. (refuse to pay for crap I don't need). I've only seen the clips that everyone has posted here.
It should be: Raising Gosselins: the Teen years. Kate not going to happen. Your kids are still whiney, rude, fight, scream, yell etc, people who have kids, get that daily, they do not want to watch it on TV, much less the rest of us, who have no kids , want to see some entitled brats, and a entitled mother get stuff for free we have to work hard for.
This also reminds me of when my sons were playing basketball in the early years of their sports careers, as kids, they would play basketball with my brother and he would intentionally beat them, dunk and taunt them. My ex, their dad had to tell him he had to stop that. My ex was taken aback by his behavior and said, what is wrong with him? I agreed, he shouldn't of done this. It made me mad also. My dad wouldn't let him play sports in school which would of been a lifesaver for him and he begged and begged to play football.
They finally let him play football in the ninth grade. He didn't even know what he was doing and got hurt and quit. My middle son played from the beginning and learned and practiced. This is how you do it. That is why I feel so BAD for the boys because they have to do chicken work after school instead of going to soccer or football or basketball.
kate getting in a chair and going on the ice being pushed by her kids was pathetic. It is all about her. She just couldn't sit on a bench behind the wall and just recall memories of them skating before.
They should of all had helmets on. They could of used their bicycle helmets couldn't they? Even in tornado warnings, the meteorologists tell the kids, get your bicycle or football helmets and put them on!
What's wrong with her mouth? It looks like she's talking with a bunch of dental foam on the left side.
You know how they stuff those little tufted rolls of cotton in there sometimes? That's what it looked like.
Or maybe she had an abscessed tooth. Or just had a tooth pulled and the novocaine didn't wear off for weeks. Or something.
Maybe she was trying to botox her forehead and missed and got her left jaw instead?
Think Steve had anything to do with it and that's why he was blurred out?
Call Me Crazy said... 34
Where were they playing this charming-sounding dodgeball game?
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The name of the place is BodyZone which is in Wyomissing. Here is their website:
http://www.bodyzonesports.com/
This place is different than SkyZone, where Kate took the kids on their actual birthday.
swimgirl said... 21
TFW really misses the point on playing with your children and "letting them win". As an adult, I wasbigger, faster and stronger than my children so I naturally had an advantage over them. So I scaled down when I played them in a sport so we could have fun, enjoy the sport and it encouraged them to keep playing with me. It no different than when I play tennis with a friend who plays in a competitive league. She dials down her playing so we can have fun and enjoy the game at a level that better suits my lack of skill.
My kids are now all teens and are much better than me now in sports but we still play together. Of course, they now dial their game down for me!
June 20, 2014 at 8:17 AM
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This is a great example of fair play.
It's not always about winning- it's about sportsmanship.
It's not always about winning- it's about sportsmanship.
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BINGO...that's the lesson a good parent teachers their child.
Mojave Denizen said... 32
I saw Jenna in one of the clips. Isn't Jenna their cousin? Wouldn't that be a HUGE concession on Kate's part? Because there is no discussion of a cousin attending, I wonder if I remember who she is incorrectly.
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Who is Jenna and how do you know this? Is it the same girl I saw in the dodgeball clip looking horrified for Mady?
Mel said... 47
What's wrong with her mouth? It looks like she's talking with a bunch of dental foam on the left side.
You know how they stuff those little tufted rolls of cotton in there sometimes? That's what it looked like.
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I thought it looked a little screwy too. Whatever it is, she's definitely got a muleface now like never before. She's turned into a jackass from living on Pleasure Island too long, the same way Pinocchio did.
Cara = Violet Parr, from the movie The Incredibles.
It appears from that "fun day" that Kate planned for the kids during the March break that those kids haven't done ice-skating since that episode filmed when they were about 3 or 4. How embarrassing for 10 and 13 year olds to essentially be showing that they haven't made any progress in a sport since then. Proof again that if TLC isn't behind it, it's not going to happen.
Me saying I think C* is a bully does not make me a sheeple.
Sara, You're a regular here, no worries. You're not the only one to say that about C*. That's one of the descriptions used when the two tups were expelled. Bullying behavior is something they're learning by living and dealing with their mother.
Vanessa said...
Here it is Carole
http://www.accesshollywood.com/kate-gosselin-talks-new-tlc-special-raising-8-kids-and-her-love-life_article_95678
Thank you Vanessa!
Is it possible she took the credit, then sold the solar panels? Is that a one time credit or every year or a certain percentage per year?
Things like solar panels or new energy efficient windows, insulation, etc are a one time tax credit, but you've raised a good question. J&K didn't pay for the panels - they were essentially donated, so how could they apply and receive a credit? Did the mfg or TLC finagle some kind of receipt so they could submit it, reaping the bonus twice (once getting the panels for free and then again by getting a credit)? Or, was the credit simply mentioned as a general policy for interested consumers (since it was basically an ad for a product)? Inquiring minds want to know. LOL
Mel said... 47
What's wrong with her mouth? It looks like she's talking with a bunch of dental foam on the left side.
You know how they stuff those little tufted rolls of cotton in there sometimes? That's what it looked like.
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I thought that too. It looks like she's got Bell's Palsy or had a stroke!
It's not that bad, I kid, but it is very evident in her AH interview.
That mouth was lopsided.
Her whole face is starting to look wonky.
I'm confused...telling someone their hair doesn't look good is "bullying"? Oh, my....I guess I bullied my hubby this morning when I asked him when he was planning to go to the barber....
Why is a child not allowed to have an opinion anyway? He doesn't have to be rude about it but I see no reason why a child must lie and say they like someone's hair when they don't. All this does is create an adult who tells white lies all the time, is disingenuous, self-serving, nonconfrontational, and can't be trusted as anyone's honest confidant.
Exactly. All she's doing it teaching him that it's not safe to have opinions and feelings and he has to stuff them down and can't express them. As someone upthread said - he is as screwed up as can be...
In addition to the therapy that a number of them need, he's a perfect candidate for scouting and is someone who would flourish with the right mentor/big brother. Would she ever enroll him in something like that? Of course not. He needs quality time with his father too, also something she'll never promote.
I'd like to see Kate face off with a Sumo wrestler. After he slammed her to the floor on her back, he could tell her that nobody "lets" him win and he believes in trying one's hardest and he wouldn't be trying his hardest if he let her win. Yeah, I'd pay to see that.
I find it very interesting that Steve's face was blurred out, and I can't really think of "why?".
Steve was not only caught on camera recently, he was prominently featured.
In early episodes, before anyone even knew the J+K had "security", Steve can be seen when you go back and look, like on the plane to Utah.
So, Steve has been on camera for many years, whether just "in frame" and as part of the cast, so why blur him out now?
It's like burring out Juicy Juice!!!
It looks like M overstated her knee 'injury'. She slipped right before that scene. It looks like she scraped her knee then acted like it was more worse than that to get the game stopped.
Suzy
C used to push Alexis around a lot and also has been rough with his two brothers, and apparently kids at school and even a teacher.But he does not deserve the treatment he has received from his own mother.Chicken and the egg? Nature vs. nurture?
I also noticed something odd about TFW's lower lip. Maybe she tried one of those lip plumper injections and it went wrong? There seems to be one swollen spot that drags her mouth down. Someone said yesterday that it almost looks like she had a stroke. That's what it reminded me of, too, but not as pronounced.
You all are braver than I am...I can't even look and/or listen to this woman. I saw none of the gossip show interviews nor did I watch the show. From what you all are saying, I do wonder if she's gone the cheap route on her facial "improvements"?
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Amy - I hope you are right because I feel the most sad for those three boys, especially Colin, Kate's favorite whipping boy. (BTW, I use that term not to mean she literally whips him, but that she seems to focus the greatest amount of punishment and venom on him.)
I have a feeling their time spent taking care of the chickens is strictly limited, but like you said, at least for those brief moments each day, they are left alone, and hopefully do have a strong bond with each other. Goodness knows, they definitely need someone they can trust in that household, and I don't think they can trust any one of their sisters.
Paula (59)
lol! I guess I bullied my cat today when I told her that we don't swipe at the dog's tail, and then told the dog that she was very much in need of a grooming appointment.
According to new data released, the percentage of single-parent households in Berks County is 36 percent, ranking at #8 out of all of the PA counties. How many of those parents film the heck out of their children in order to support them?
Localyokul, you misunderstood; I don't know anything, I am asking something. Is Jenna someone other than a friend? Because Kate (apparently, from the clip) did the inviting, I guess I was hoping Jenna was family or a family friend. It looks as if I were incorrect. Sorry for the confusion.
Here are the Hayes in an interview just last year(the family who had the TLC show Table for 12)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2Vc3qtIi2Y
The difference between the Hayes and the Gosselins is astounding to say the least.
*Children have different activities throughout the days and their parents make sure each child gets to their activity on time all the time
*The older 4 admit that the tups can be a handful but sometimes they do enjoy hanging out with them
*All the children are calm, polite and well behaved
*Keep in mind that these people have 10 kids not 8
*Their show got canceled years ago
*The tups are a few months younger than the G tups
All in all, it would appear it is in fact possible to raise a normal, level headed children, it is possible to have 10 kids and with a bit of effort allow them each to have their own activities/friends/things going on, it is possible to raise 10 kids with MEDIOCRE jobs and no TV show. Interesting isn't it?
"Kids surely should have opinions, but this was just mean. Collin may very well be a bully like his mother."
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Or maybe he's just trying to fight back a little from the daily berating he probably takes, including being tattled on by his sisters.
I grew up with lots of siblings, and as I recall, we got in fights and we said mean things to each other. It's not pretty, and our parents kept a pretty tight handle on things so they didn't get out of control, but it's also part of being siblings. The term "bullying" is already overused. Let's not stretch the term "bullying" to include saying your sister's hair looks ugly.
Paula,
An unprovoked, as well as I could tell, from Collin to Leah saying "your hair is ugly" is mean and many would say a form of bullying. I think your mentioning to your hubby he needs a hair cut is completely different.
He must here Mady tell them over and over that they have ugly hair and that is left unchecked by Kate because it's Mady and she is scared of Mady or too exshauted to reprimand her.
Nevertheless, it is pretty harsh, even from a sibling.
The boys did not seem to cut one another down, nor did the girls. So perhaps it a boys against girls thing, or maybe he really is a broken little boy,
Remember, Robert says this book is specifically for Collin.
Sara
Paula said... 59
I'm confused...telling someone their hair doesn't look good is "bullying"? Oh, my....I guess I bullied my hubby this morning when I asked him when he was planning to go to the barber....
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It depends, of course.
I told DH that he's due for a haircut the other day. He agreed he was way past due.
That's not picking on him or bullying.
Now, if someone is self conscious about their hair, saying it looks bad just cuts right to the core.
It sounds like it was a mean sibling thing, but shouldn't just be dismissed as harmless.
Death by 1000 paper cuts and all that.
When you live with someone, you know exactly how to cut them down with a glance, a noise, a gesture or a word.
Sara said:
Overall, I thought the younger kids seemed content.
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It's hard to imagine we watched the same show.
What a sad situation. The latest iteration of TFW's persona: Demonize Mady, ignore Cara, and group the six as "rabid animals". Play the helpless Mom who just wants to do the right thing by her kids. This "re-branding" won't work either, Kate. We see you for what you are, a toxic mix of self-adulation, moral bankruptcy and greed. God help your poor children, for you surely won't.
When you live with someone, you know exactly how to cut them down with a glance, a noise, a gesture or a word.
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Agree, Tucker's Mom, but I don't think a 10-year old understands this....it's just mimicking behavior he/she sees in others. A good parent would A) Of course not behave nor speak in such a way and B) Appropriately try to correct that behavior. I believe it is patently unfair to call a 10 year old a bully when the adult in his life hasn't taught him any different.
About the solar panels, wasn't that on kate plus 8? I don't seem to recall Jon being there then. Any thing you receive that has value is subject to being taxed by the IRS. Just like the swag bags at the swag tents kate filled her greedy hands with. Don't they have the paper work there to be taken or filled out there?
I remember on CA that a team project was to promote toothpaste. They got a big display and put a prize in a predetermined number of packages. They wanted to do 10K, but it would of involved a lot of IRS paperwork. Then they found out they could do 5K without the paperwork, so it was much easier.
She needs a complete forensic tax audit from the IRS going back 13 years. The unaccounted for 20 dollar picture money, the things the fans have sent through out the years, the cash, gift cards just handed to her. The free clothing, all of the grifting products that companies have broken their necks to give her. Enough TP, at least enough for 10 rolls per day until infinity.
Yes, kate, even TP has value on it, at least 2 ways. Oh, I mean a 3rd. You got it for free.
Millicent said...
Or maybe he's just trying to fight back a little from the daily berating he probably takes, including being tattled on by his sisters.
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I agree, Millicent. The best defense is offense. He can internalize his pain, or lash out. I know which one I would choose.
PJ
Mojave Denizen said... 66
Localyokul, you misunderstood; I don't know anything, I am asking something. Is Jenna someone other than a friend? Because Kate (apparently, from the clip) did the inviting, I guess I was hoping Jenna was family or a family friend. It looks as if I were incorrect. Sorry for the confusion.
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No, I've just never heard of someone named Jenna. Whose kid is she?
Sara said:
Overall, I thought the younger kids seemed content.
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It's hard to imagine we watched the same show.
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Oh, my gosh Millicent. I read that post at the bottom of the previous page, said the very same thing to myself that you just said, and then read your post (I read from the bottom up). How weird is that?
I haven't seen Betty Hayes in years, and while she's not "glamorous" like Kate, she looks the same as she did 5 years ago.
She really hasn't aged much- with 10 kids, including one with CP!
Betty is natural, and far more appealing physically.
Really I think it was rude of Collin to say to Leah, unkind for her to tattle, and wrong for Mady to set the example of insulting siblings.Their behavior across the board is not the best. Kate has not done the wonderful job with the kids she claims to. And what was with her saying in one clip her kids were superior because they could 'size someone up in a nanosecond?? ' Shouldn't a child be taught not to make hasty judgments of people?
I believe it is patently unfair to call a 10 year old a bully when the adult in his life hasn't taught him any different.
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I don't think it's bullying. I reserve that term for real, pernicious, malicious, repeated behavior.
I call it teasing, and it can get pretty mean.
That said, it's normal among sibling, to some degree.
I do think it comes from Kate, because she's made it clear that the girl tups' "Asian" hair is not smooth like hers and the twins- to the point that she flat irons it, which is ridiculous at that age.
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Millicent said...
Or maybe he's just trying to fight back a little from the daily berating he probably takes, including being tattled on by his sisters.
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I agree, Millicent. The best defense is offense. He can internalize his pain, or lash out. I know which one I would choose.
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This is the same sweet little boy who begged his mother to pay attention to him when he was constipated a few years ago (on national tv, no less). Maybe if she hadn't ignored him then and a million other times, he wouldn't be so outspoken now. It's a learned behavior KATE. Who did he get it from?
I can't remember which clip it's on, but he explained the dodgeball game they played with Mommie Dearest very clearly and very well. I hope someone takes the time to pay attention to him and listen to what he has to say. He's probably an intelligent young person (as I'm sure they all are) if his mother would stop harassing him.
I imagine he took quite a beating from her for the school incident a couple of years ago and she's been on his case about it ever since. She's the only one who is allowed to get out of line.
Tucker's (62) I find it very interesting that Steve's face was blurred out, and I can't really think of "why?" (...) So, Steve has been on camera for many years, whether just "in frame" and as part of the cast, so why blur him out now?
I'm not familiar with the American Actors' Guild rules, but it might have to do with the fact that he is now known well enough by the public to be consider a full fledged "character" in the show, and thus entitled to a higher pay. Here in Québec, if what is considered a third role (some action, no lines...) comes up regularly enough in a serie to the point of being recognizable as part of the cast, it changes status, becomes a second role and is paid more.
I know this is a reality show and the Actors' Guild rules don't really apply, but I have a feeling his blurred face has something to do with him asking for a higher fee.
I agree Millicent. I saw children truly upset about a circus/carnival being forced down their throats, I saw Colin go from sweet and talkative to belligerent in a heartbeat when he was ganged up on by the tattler and his mother, I saw kids talking back in nasty ways, making fun of their mom. I never heard one single time Yes Ma'am or No Ma'am. No indeedy, I did NOT see content children.
Vanessa said... 140
''As much as a lot of people think Jon should stay quiet, he needs to clarify and prove she's lying. They "visit" their father. She's the sole provider. It's the only way she can provide, you'd never see/hear from her if they had enough to survive?
Where's Remona?''
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Remona has been spending time last night and again this morning typing my thoughts, and then deleting them because every single time my anger would build and I'd start speaking my second language of obscenities!
Now that Jon's children are older, TCFW seems worse to me because Jon's children are no longer abused and confused toddlers, but old enough to realize exactly what she is doing to them. My heart aches for both Jon and his children!
Minus the curse words, my bottom line is that TCFMJG is STILL the lying liar who lies, absolute waste of skin and space, master of parental alienation, despicable, disgusting cruel and abusive to JON'S children, untreated mental case that she has always been!! !!!!!!
I watched the show. My impression was that Kate is worse than ever. The younger kids are all attractive. I worry about the twins; one seems like a victim of "depression" and the other reminds me of someone with bi-polar. My favorite scenes were the ones with the boys by themselves, no sisters or "mother". The worst scenes were the ones of Kate demeaning her kids and running her big lopsided lying mouth.
There's an article on The Stir website regarding Kate's "not letting kids win". It had some good points.
An excerpt:
"You know, her argument isn't completely without merit, but it's the "nobody is going to let me win" part that is confusing.
Because the kids won't let mom win, she, in turn, makes a point to beat their butts?
How ... childish?
The fact is, kids do need lessons about achieving and not always getting their way. Kate is right on that.
But there's something to be said for having fun too, for just getting to be kids. The disappointments of the "real" world come crashing down on them soon enough. At 10 or even 13 (the age of Gosselin's twins), kids have the right to still be kids.
That means having fun. It also means being a little selfish and expecting your parents to sacrifice for you -- be it by "letting" you win a game or giving you the last cookie.
You don't have to let your kids win EVERY game. That's not fun for anyone. But then again neither is losing every single time.
And isn't that what we want our kids to remember? Having fun with us?"
http://thestir.cafemom.com/big_kid/173911/kate_gosselin_will_beat_her?
What will the kids remember about that game? Will they remember having fun, or will the remember mommy being the aggressive one who must win? Didn't she do the same thing during the NYC episode when they were playing Whackamole?
It is days like today that I am especially grateful this forum and you all exist. And Admin, you must be swamped today keeping up with all the activity here. Thank you for all the extra effort! I know we all appreciate it!
Going back to Collin--no, he wasn't bullying Leah. I wouldn't even call it teasing--he just simply insulted her. I'm not defending it, but I would like to point out that Leah didn't seem the least bit insulted. What's frightening is that she actually seemed to relish the opportunity to tell on him not once, but twice. I don't want to appear to be picking on Leah and Hannah, but as I've stated before, those two are Kate's favorites and it shows in their behavior and how they treat their siblings...and others. Remember the behavior of those two toward Jamie's son when they were playing at the picnic table? It was appalling. Another tell-tale sign is that it was Hannah who mocked Kate for complaining about being tired. Think any of the other six would have the nerve to do that (except for maybe Leah)? Highly doubtful.
Also neither here nor there, but were the boys wearing matching outfits at the Playzone place? I know the girls weren't, but the boys were all in black t-shirts. I didn't think of that until later.
I know this is a reality show and the Actors' Guild rules don't really apply, but I have a feeling his blurred face has something to do with him asking for a higher fee.
June 20, 2014 at 11:06 AM
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I was thinking along the same lines.
I wonder if Steve's getting caught in frame, when he was not a part of the story line, was rather benign way back when.
Now, not so much.
Obviously, he signed on to be a character on the show toward the end, but before that, maybe he is like product placement.
You didn't sign him on to be on the show, you don't show him.
Mojave Denizen...32
It said on the screen that Jenna was Mady's best friend.
I DVR'd this travesty and just watched it. TCFW is still a f&*%ing twat. My thoughts.
Nobody should be picking out Aaden's glasses but Aaden. My oldest daughter started wearing glasses in second grade and I told her pick out what you want. You're the one wearing them. So she picked out a purple pair and loved them. Upgraded to wire rimmed in 4th/5th grade (can't remember) and then contacts in 7th. Never had an issue with her wearing them because she picked them out.
Thought the boys were adorable in their couch interviews. Collin, however, definitely shut down when TFCW spoke to him about the girl tup hair comment. That was sad. Never want to see a kid shut down like that. Hopefully he was thinking that his mother could go f%$k herself.
Thought the girl tups were also cute in their couch interviews.
M&C were open in their couch intereviews but C shut down when TCFW injected herself in the middle. She didn't need to be there. I've always felt that M, from the beginning of this fiasco, felt shoved aside. In my opinion, both M&C should've received a little extra attention once the tups arrived so they wouldn't feel like they were an after thought. I know it's hard when new babies arrive, but J&K had so much help the first year with the tups that they could've arranged something with the twins every once in a while. And if TFCW hadn't cut off her family, I'm sure Aunt Jodi would've gladly stepped in while J&K did something one on one with M&C.
Never, Ever have I called my children rabid beasts. E.V.E.R! I've never thought of them as rabid beasts either. What a f&^%ing, ignorant moron!
I can't believe TCFW, who's supposedly a germaphobe, would let a parrot be in her kitchen, let alone be on her counters. Again. What a f&^%ing, ignorant moron.
Pass the rumspringa. I need a tall one.
The one thing I remember about the Hayes 6 is that they are younger then the Gosselins but 2 years ahead of the Gosselins in school. I was shocked when the Hayes kids started Kindergarten at age 4, didn't the Gosselins turn 7 in kindergarten?
The hayes family lives on one salary, a school police officer which has to be pretty similar to a nurses wage and they manage to have a 8 bedroom house(the bedrooms are very small but Betty wanted the older kids to have a small personal space) and send the kids to private school(Maybe Kate would not consider Catholic school private).
I would much rather watch Hayes family update but understand if they do not want the spotlight.
Thought the boys were adorable in their couch interviews. Collin, however, definitely shut down when TFCW spoke to him about the girl tup hair comment. That was sad. Never want to see a kid shut down like that. Hopefully he was thinking that his mother could go f%$k herself.
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Ha!
I wish we could see a segment with the kids' though bubbles...
"Who are you? You're not my mother!"
"If you throw that ball at me I'm going to kick you in your crotch!"
"I don't want your hug! I don't even want your genes!"
capecodmama said... 94
"...I can't believe TCFW, who's supposedly a germaphobe, would let a parrot be in her kitchen, let alone be on her counters.
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....et alone be on her cake!
(93) "You didn't sign him on to be on the show, you don't show him."
And in my book, that's all this enabler deserves. A blurred face to match his blurred morals.
Since we talked about the boys having some privacy in the chicken coop, it wouldn't surprise me if she didn't do something about it. I have a couple of ideas, but I don't want to give her any ideas in her freaking head.
What a controlling, damaged W she really is. I just saw a tweet saying, I've never hit a woman but I would be really tempted to knock out kate's twitter address I hate this lady I'd call it abuse how she uses kids to make money.
See kate, look what you have done. If you would of just stayed quiet and got a regular job, never started twitter and led a private life, putting your kids into after school activities, your life and your kids lives would be better off. But YOU have done this. You have pushed the envelope so far to the edge and put your children and yourself in potential harms way. This is horrible and inexcusable!
Remember on Ghost when Whoopie was in her office doing a reading for the AA lady that had the red colored hair and her husband came back and said DAAYYYYYNG! Girl, What did you do to your hair, YOUR KIDS? This is the reaction a lot of people are having.
Shock and Awe. Shock and Awe.
Maybe Steve and his wife finally got sick and tired of being called names because of their association with Kate. Maybe he finally decided enough is enough of being dragged down with the famewhore. While he still loves the cash, maybe he took a stand and said he didn't want his face shown.
capecodmama said... 94
Mojave Denizen...32
It said on the screen that Jenna was Mady's best friend.
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Oh! Thank you! I didn't watch the show...just the clips on Gawker. Well, Mady's best friend looked mortified when TFW beaned a limping Mady.
Lukebandit, you got a smile from me.
"You like it, Orlando? It's called Autumn Sunrise." That response is from memory, but close.
I bet if M and C have friends over TFW makes them hand over their phones. Don't know what she can do while kids are at school or AT friends houses though. Forbidden to Google, GMAB
Kate is making a huge parenting mistake if she confuses submissive posture for compliance and "agreeance".
Those children already have her number -- none of them let her get away with the broken foot drama -- in unison they corrected her with "TOE."
Just think people, there's part 2!
There is no way Kate can stop her kids from googling. She isn't tech savy enough to put on filters or blocks. Kids know how to get around filters, ask any junior high/high school computer teacher!
Remember, Robert says this book is specifically for Collin.
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And that might be the very reason why this poor child appears to be the object of her greatest wrath.
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Kate is a twit - Thanks for filling me in about where they played dodgeball.
Dr Lillian Glass on last night's show. Not particularly well-written but interesting conclusions that match what many here have said:
http://drlillianglassbodylanguageblog.wordpress.com/2014/06/20/mady-cara-gosselins-body-language-show-they-dont-want-to-be-on-show-and-madys-disturbing-comments-may-show-low-esteem-and-depression/
There is no way Kate can stop her kids from googling. She isn't tech savy enough to put on filters or blocks. Kids know how to get around filters, ask any junior high/high school computer teacher!
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She's delusional. Or it's just what she thinks makes her sound like she's protecting them, which makes her sound crazier than she already does.
Wonder what she was referring to when the twins "heard" something before she could tell them?? That she was suing their father? That her diary was being published? What she really means is she hopes to give them her version of the "truth" to manipulate, brainwash and gaslight. Patty Hearst shit
I bet if M and C have friends over TFW makes them hand over their phones. Don't know what she can do while kids are at school or AT friends houses though. Forbidden to Google, GMAB
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Imagine? Really, what does she do? And they can't delete their texts? How the fuck would she know if they did or not?? She's out of her mind if she thinks those twins give her the absolute truth each and every day of their sad existence.
capecodmamma said: Never, Ever have I called my children rabid beasts. E.V.E.R! I've never thought of them as rabid beasts either. What a f&^%ing, ignorant moron!
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Me either. Not even when he was going through the terrible two's and three's. Not even when he through a massive melt down in the middle of Target and I had to leave a full cart in the middle of an aisle and carry him kicking and screaming to the car.
I have a niece who is severely autistic, and certain sounds will send her into a frenzy. My sister must deal with this or other behavioral issues every day. Never once has she called her child a rabid beast.
If TFW's children are wild, poorly behaved, screech like banshees, fight amongst themselves, or are otherwise poorly behaved while in her care, that's her fault for her craptastic "parenting."
There is a rabid beast in that household, but she's got sweat sheen, jacked up hair, a foul temper and a dark heart. Can anyone figure out who I mean ;)
From Lillian Glass
Interesting.
"Now here is the serious part, if it is true. Mady says that she spends all day in bed. “
if so Kate needs to stop worrying about getting a TV show and get her daughter some help. From watching the two teens, they clearly don’t want any part of the show. Cara is more passive and Mady is more aggressive about it. But their messages were reflected verbally, vocally, facially, and body language wise- loud and clear.
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Well she just does what Mommie Dearest does, stays in bed.
Over And Out said... 82
Oh, my gosh Millicent. I read that post at the bottom of the previous page, said the very same thing to myself that you just said, and then read your post (I read from the bottom up). How weird is that?
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LOL - great minds think alike?
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Remona Blue said... 89
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MiChi said... 92
Going back to Collin--no, he wasn't bullying Leah. I wouldn't even call it teasing--he just simply insulted her. I'm not defending it, but I would like to point out that Leah didn't seem the least bit insulted. What's frightening is that she actually seemed to relish the opportunity to tell on him not once, but twice. I don't want to appear to be picking on Leah and Hannah, but as ...
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I think that behavior (tattling on each other and most particularly, on the boys) has been rewarded by TFW. What’s upsetting is seeing what appears to be enjoyment in tattling and getting a brother in trouble.
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Paper Plates Forever! Yay! said... 102
Maybe Steve and his wife finally got sick and tired of being called names because of their association with Kate. Maybe he finally decided enough is enough of being dragged down with the famewhore. While he still loves the cash, maybe he took a stand and said he didn't want his face shown.
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Yeah, but he’s still recognizable by his rat claws.
I don't think the kids should be filmed but I concur with Rhythm of Life...24 that something may come out of this fiasco. TCFW has proven that she hasn't changed, she's still the bitch from hell and she's not a mother but a dictator. The kids are clearly hurting, especially M&C and C, and maybe enough national negative publicity will come out of this that networks will realize she's not worth it. I doubt TLC will give her another show because been there, done that. If they were truly interested in her she would be on the air regularly. She's not. Here's hoping she's finally flushed.
I just thought of something... When Mady said "I'm a terrible role model, I spend all day in bed" do you think that was a conscious dig at Kate and all her lounging?
Ratings are in. 2.395 million.
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2014/06/20/thursday-cable-ratings-world-cup-soccer-leads-night-pawn-stars-kate-plus-eight-american-restoration-more/275169/
localyocul said... 101
This is interesting: Alex McCord from RHONY is doing some kind of critic show. She covered HBB, TFW, and something else. She's pretty good.
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I think she's giving Kate too much credit and more importantly too much sympathy. That's exactly what how that calculating shrew wants people to feel about her. She mainly just defended TFW's excuses, imo.
She can't get a regular job because she'd draw too much attention? She needs to stay in reality gigs to make money? You'd want to jump off the Brooklyn Bridge if you had all those kids to look after? Please Alex. Everything that's going on in that house is by Kate's design. She wanted it, now she can live with it or change her ways.
2.3 million? Didn't they cancel her w/ that number?
There is no way Kate can stop her kids from googling.
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Just once I'd like Kate to make the "they don't Google" statement with the twins sitting right there.
Just once.
2.395 million? Wow, not the ratings gold Kate was hoping for. It's much lower than the average viewership of J&K+8, and a million viewers less than even the premier of K+8. You'd expect that she would want to at least recapture her old numbers, but she didn't deliver. Too bad.
I wouldn't exactly call those "jackpot" ratings, considering that reruns of The Big Bang Theory got almost the same amount in the same time slot.
It got about the same ratings as the series finale, which was 2.1 million.
I just checked tvbythenumbers.com and the ratings are actually 2.359 million, not 2.395 million. No, not impressive, but just a little less impressive than previously thought.
The ratings are actually pretty respectable. 2.4 million people watched. Half-a-million more people tuned in than watched Honey Boo Boo, I'm surprised about that. It was beaten by American Restoration in the same time slot and was essentially tied with syndicated repeats of Big Bang Theory. Apparently a lot of the Pawn Stars audience switched to TFW at 10:00.
Those ratings, while good, aren't going to get TLC to push for new episodes other than the occasional update. The train wreck factor can't sustain a show as was evidenced by the shows cancellation in the first place. The tups turning teens will be a big draw I'm sure. It will be interesting to see if part 2 equals or exceeds part 1.
The best moment of the show - I don't think this has been mentioned yet - was when Kate was screeching about how she couldn't get hurt ice skating because she has to feed and clothe the kids - and one of the girl tups said in their interview "She doesn't clothe us. We clothe ourselves."
Bwahahaha!
I know she meant that they get dressed themselves, but it was still pretty funny because it sounded like she knew that they also have always funded their own clothes all of these years....
Didn't one of the boys get accused/ blamed/lectured for Globe Gate. Not sure if the boy was named, but the girl who actually did it certainly was not named after Kate made such a huge fuss over this!!!
#GrowingUpGosselinAsAYuckyDisgustingBoy
This whole gender thing makes me sick.
Vanessa 116 -
I see what you mean. Three of the girls went after Colin. They had mean looks in their eyes and seemed to want to attack him. Was that Cara who went after him, or do you suppose she was protecting him? It was bizarre.
One more- how come when "Hannah pooped in Hannah's underwears" Kate was so kind and understanding but when Aaden has a potty training accident on day five, TFW blew a gasket.
What is wrong here?
http://www.z107fm.com/onair/jadd-49801/best-gif-ever-starring-kate-gosselin-12486776/
Kate is a twit said... 121
Ratings are in. 2.395 million.
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That is not good. I bet she and TLC were expecting rating up into the 5-6 million. I bet the second part is even lower. Who said that the ratings would be "gold?" Presidential?
Layla said... 126
2.395 million?
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Even after all her fans turned on every television in their homes? Shocking!
Hey everybody! Glad you keep me caught up.
Did someone say they showed old footage of Kevin and his family? I hope so and I hope that brought the kids good memories of them.
2.3 million is not good for a special. It will be interesting to see what next weeks show brings in.
Only 2.3 million viewers. Low for a "reunion" special. I guess the "haters"didn't come thru for Kate.LOL.
On one of the clips, there was a discussion between K and M about inviting M's friend Jenna somewhere (the party? the game session?). M said that she doesn't like surprises, even nice ones. K then asked "then I shouldn't have invited her?, and M replied, "no, you should have told me you were inviting her. I wouldn't have been so negative about the event if I'd known she was invited."
The quotes are paraphrases, but that's the gist of the conversation.
You know, there are lots of people who don't like surprises. Not liking surprises is typical for people with ADHD, Asperger's, ASD, Down syndrome, and a whole bunch of other conditions, or just no condition at all. I don't think M has any particular condition, but I do think that she does not like and never has liked surprises. And you would think that if a casual viewer has noticed that, K would have noticed it in 13 years of living with her. K joyously beams "surprise!" and Ms first reaction is negative. How many times have we seen this happen? And K hasn't noticed it? Or her need to be the benevolent bestower of surprises is more important to her than her child's comfort?
Now that M has told K flat out that she doesn't like surprises, do you think K will listen and change? I'm not holding my breath.
I also think it's very intrusive and infantilizing for K to invite M's friend. What not ask M if she wants to invite her, let M extend the invitation, and say that the friend's parents can call K if they want more details. It's the mature way to handle it. M isn't a 3-year old who needs play-dates arranged by her mother!
I do think it is nice that M has a friend. Let's hope K doesn't much up the friendship for her.
"We don't tear down, we build up"
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OMG! I can't believe she said that with a straight face. She should go back and watch the footage of her and Jon.
Layla said... 128
I just checked tvbythenumbers.com and the ratings are actually 2.359 million, not 2.395 million. No, not impressive, but just a little less impressive than previously thought.
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Layla---Thanks for the correction to my post. I think I was hung over from too much rumspringa and my eyes were blurred and I accidentally transposed 2 numbers.
Did Kate say she hated the sound of Leah's voice? Compared it to a machine gun? I was flipping around and only caught a second of show.
Blowing (135)
Kate was quoted yesterday as saying she's not worried about ratings because she knew it was going to be ratings gold. It was Hayley Glassman who tweeted that the show would get "Presidential" ratings. 2.359 is not bad, but definitely not the kind of number that makes TLC want to sign her back on. K+8 premiered with 3.4 million, and that show went downhill fast. This one, after 3 years, has more than a million less. It could bottom out very, very quickly. I can see TLC doing an update like this once a year or once every couple years, but they're idiots if they bring back the show. I think they all remember how bad the K+8 ratings got, and how much Kate demanded from them last time. I doubt that they'd want to deal with that hassle again.
Kate needed to make a very impressive showing to entice TLC back on board. 4-5 million would have been good numbers for her to shoot for. That way, even though the show would inevitably lose viewers as people got bored or sick of her, she could still expect a decent audience. But 2.35? Not much wiggle room. Once people started tuning out, she'd be in trouble immediately.
Kate said in a recent interview that she wanted another chance to "really hit it out of the ballpark". She got the chance. She failed to hit it out of the ballpark. Time for Plan B.
Kate is a twit (143)
Hee, actually was a little thrilled to see that the numbers were even lower. As for the rumspringa, I think it's time to raise our glasses and toast TW's utter mediocrity. She didn't deliver.
Remember, Robert says this book is specifically for Collin.
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And that might be the very reason why this poor child appears to be the object of her greatest wrath.
TFW takes her wrath out on C* because of Robert's book? If I understand what you said, I disagree. I think C* was a target of TFW's long before Robert came on the scene.
I'm surprised at the low HoneyBooBoo numbers. I thought that show was a ratings bonanza for TLC. *shrug*
Anyhoo...aww, gee whiz, Katie....your kind of ratings won't exactly get you a new series. Better go to Plan B, whatever that might be.
This whole mess with twins vs. tups, boys vs. girls, Kate's disdain for boys/men and her inability to ever consider these factors is insane.
I think Mady is holding her to the fire, and has a lot she could say, and thus we are seeing a different Kate with Mady. I think this has evolved into a situation where Mady has the goods on Kate, and Kate knows it. Thus, the concerts, Mady's friend at the filming, etc...
Something ain't right in Gosselin world and TFW knows it.
Re: Steve
but it might have to do with the fact that he is now known well enough by the public to be consider a full fledged "character" in the show, and thus entitled to a higher pay... I know this is a reality show and the Actors' Guild rules don't really apply, but I have a feeling his blurred face has something to do with him asking for a higher fee.
I'd imagine Steve isn't paid for being a part of the show but rather is paid for his security services - or whatever the heck he's claiming to provide TFW when he is in charge of carrying her purse and directing her thru airports. I think his company is making plenty of money working w/TLC for Little Couple and Honey Boo Boo and more w/o asking to be paid for a bit part on camera.
On Teen Mom, the only ones paid are the moms and dads; even the grandparents, who are many times big parts of the storyline receive no pay. The Housewives shows don't pay the friends or children. Of course not every contract is the same but reality show producers are pretty cheap and the contracts seem to be fairly standard. They're very tight regarding to control of the participant's actions and tight in regard to the pay.
Oh dear - I apologize for the appearance of the ratings I posted @ comment #130- the formatting didn't hold and the numbers and columns didn't stay lined up.
Review from tamaratattles.com. Written with snark, but contains a lot of truth. Warning: Some offensive language.
http://tamaratattles.com/2014/06/20/kate-plus-8-worse-than-you-could-even-imagine/#comment-130881
Someone tweeted Kate about a book she is mentioned in. Kate's reply sounds awfully familiar.
Kathryn Doane-Prout @gardens8 · 17m
@Kateplusmy8 Did you see or read? You are mentioned in this book by this precious girl. Esther Earl who has cancer. pic.twitter.com/0NniE2wE4a
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 · 15m
@gardens8 I bought it& it's right next2my bed! Just haven't gotten to read it.. Yet... Like so many other books I have! #Time2Read #IWish
BTW, during the tweet party that girl Nicole asked Kate twice if she had read her book.
I don't think TLC was expecting 4-5 million viewers. They might even be pleasantly surprised. Weren't her ratings around 600,000 when she got cancelled. And I agree with Kate I do think the haters are the ones who keep her on TV otherwise her book sales would be much higher.
The drama that everyone has been talking about, maybe planned?? Those shows are heavily scripted : you have the crazy mother, the angry teenager, the quiet leave me alone teenager, the rebellious little boy who mom treats like dirt, and the "littles" that always look out for each other and let's not forget the bird! Oh, and let's not forget the forgotten dog.
Plenty of action for a weekly reality( ha) show!
#GrowingUpGosselinWithACryBabyMother
I think the ratings for HBB tanked because viewers are tired of bratty behavior. Same with Kate and her kids. It is very painful to watch.
..I can't believe TCFW, who's supposedly a germaphobe, would let a parrot be in her kitchen, let alone be on her counters.
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Yup, a person's hands dare not touch a slice of pizza but a bird's shit covererd feet can walk on the kitchen counter.
I really, really hope that the people who watched last night out of curiosity--just wanted to see how big the kids are--will skip next week's show. And the people who watched and were repulsed by Kate's (and yes, the kids') behavior will tune out, too. If there is a drop in ratings between the first and the second parts, then TLC will have no trouble seeing that the audience for a Gosselin show is going to shrink fast. A repeat of K+8, but even worse because the number of viewers are already so much lower. I wonder if that's why they made this a two-part special. K+8 lost a million viewers from the first to the second episode. Maybe they want to see if that same trend will repeat itself. A decrease in viewers means the numbers are going to drop and a regular show is a bad idea.
Just curious since I didn't watch the show. Did they explain the timeline or are viewers supposed to believe their birthdays were within the same time period as their spring break? Any explanation about wearing winter coats and then in sleeveless shirts? TIA
That TamaraTattles article is priceless.
Kate Is A Twit -- thanks. That article was funny and accurate.
"...picking at her clothes and hoping to die a quick and painless death."
That Tamaratattles is great! Can't wait to read their take on part2. One interesting thing that article said is that Kate spelled the kids names wrong. Was Tamara or did kate spell them wrong?
AS for Collin getting lectured, we don't know if there was something going on before that scene and that is why he said her hair is ugly.
Kate said sometime ago in some article that she has the kids spy on each other and correct/critize one another, so this is all of Kate's. doing.
I saw the first 3 mins of HBB, it was really, really terrible, it really put the family in a very bad light. And Mama June does not give a shit either and neither does the rest.
I have to say: when Kate was on the ice in the chair, making that comment about the kids pushing her around, I was thinking, yeah, Kate they will push you around and right off a cliff. it was all about poor harried tirer Kate.
Does anyone know if Kate's descriptions of her kids are the same ones in the book and what she said on a old JK8 episode the same?
I just thought of something. If all those fans out there took Ziggy the Brainiac's advice and turned on all their TV in the house, that means we can cut that ratings number in half at least. LOL
Did anyone notice how Collin's breathing intensified when Kate started to reprimand him? It was visible on the couch and when he was standing next to her. That child is terrified of his mother. Terrified. It was heartbreaking to watch.
Dee
You know what was gross, was letting the bird on the counter when you are cooking and, then the bird being a bird, decided to talk a walk on the cake. EWWWWWWWWW! I wonder what those kids thought after seeing it on TV yesterday, and knowing they ate that cake, or did kate get another cake for the TV special.
OT: I got another bird to keep my other parakeet company: I think it is a girl and I named her Sunnee, she is yellow, and has a baby voice, tripped around the cage, and now is use to everything. I did not pay $500, for this bird, it was on sale at Petsupplies plus for $16.99, and I got a mark down cage for $9.97. The other cage was falling apart.
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A few years back Teresa Guidice of RHNJ was bitching because her four minor children were not being paid but RHNJ Caroline Manzo's three adult children were each being paid $20,000 per season. So it looks like Bravo pays adult children but not minors.
Carole said... 158
Just curious since I didn't watch the show. Did they explain the timeline or are viewers supposed to believe their birthdays were within the same time period as their spring break? Any explanation about wearing winter coats and then in sleeveless shirts? TIA
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When the first actual scene of the show opened, it said on the bottom of the screen "March". So they did admit that spring break actually occurred in March.
Most people know that the tups birthday is in May, so they were being honest about the timeline. Although next week, they probably won't mention that the party didn't occur on their actual birthday.
I'm curious about the spotting of Kate in Michael's in May. Could be that she was just getting additional party supplies to make the signs for the various events. I wonder if that will be shown. The person who tweeted that did say that they were filming.
Just read the TamaraTattles article. On point and funny.
(Leslie)
Thanks Carole and JoyinVirginia for answering my question about the interviews being shown on TV and the internet.
Kate said that she would not film without her regular film crew that they had in the past. Well, what about the ABC film crew that filmed the kids for 5 to 7 full days that were complete strangers to the kids. And also the strange new "mother" that came along with it. Kate is a liar supreme.
I think the ratings for this special just prove that when CWS had 7 million viewers it was more due to Kendra's appearance than Kate's.
Carole said... 147
TFW takes her wrath out on C* because of Robert's book? If I understand what you said, I disagree. I think C* was a target of TFW's long before Robert came on the scene.
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Hey Carole. I probably didn't explain myself clearly. Yes, Collin has absolutely been a target for TFW long before Robert's book, but Robert specifically singling him out probably incensed her even further.
I am in no way blaming RH for how she treats Collin, I just think someone, anyone, showing Collin special concern or empathy adds to her anger towards him. She is sick and twisted. So much so that it wouldn't surprise me in the least if she has told his siblings that he is to blame for a nasty book about her. She plays perverted blame games. It's just all too sad.
Did she really say that the younger ones are just learning to pour their own cereal? At age 10?
Why was TFW sitting sandwiched between the two twins for the couch interviews like she was one of them?
You could see her being in her glory.... See? I'm one with the twins! We're actually triplets!
It would be interesting to get a psychologist's take on that. 1
Knowing only what was shown - CONTROL.
I think Mady has her number and she's never sure what Mady might or might not (ha, ha) say
This whole Gosselin mess is just too sad for words. Can anyone stop this woman in her tracks from continuing to grift and beg to be on television? Too bad Jon couldn't be the parent living in the mini-mansion staying with and loving the children.
See? I'm one with the twins! We're actually triplets! 1
This is also a good point - emphasizing their "best buddies" status that she flaunts on twitter.
Wrong on so many levels that I'm sure you guys "get."
Great comment from Reality TV page:
jla • 13 hours ago
Why is there a golden retriever on Kate's head?
http://www.realitytea.com/2014/06/19/mady-and-cara-gosselin-hate-kate-kate-defends-putting-kids-on-tv/
So the kids were threatened if "one granule" of sugar went astray
when they baked, and the surfaces were covered with plastic bags, but Zorro is allowed to salsa dance on the counters?
Can you imagine trying to keep rules straight in that household?
To doubt your next move to the point where you're paralyzed with
fear? So maybe you just render yourself invisible. Or you strike
out first, because at least you'd be in control of the situation for
at least a minute. Or you go with the flow, and hope being one of Mommy's favorites will keep you safe?
There is emotional abuse going on in that household, and TFW
is not nearly clever enough to realize she has just completely
removed her mask. And I hope something good comes out of
last night's eye-opening look into her dark psyche.
Too bad Jon couldn't be the parent living in the mini-mansion staying with and loving the children. 173
Too bad Kate and her beloved bird can't have the mcmansion to themselves while the kids and Shoka live with Jon.
I am in no way blaming RH for how she treats Collin, I just think someone, anyone, showing Collin special concern or empathy adds to her anger towards him.
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She might also be blaming him for being expelled from school, and therefore embarrassing her.
Librarylady: yep, meaning, Kate has just started to let the "littles"(stupid name)help themselves in the kitchen, that is why, when Kate open the cabinet door there was instructions there. It seems Kate has instructions all over the house, not just for hired help but for the kids. The chore chart, and the check off chore chart for the chickens.
Like the boys are going to forget a few simple things like:
1. change water,
2.fill container with water,
3 turn water off.
4.carry container with water to fill chicken water bowl
5. get chicken feed,
6.fill chicken feed bowl
7.put chicken feed away
8. clean chicken poop
9. collect eggs
10. put out new hay
11. take old hay with poop out to the pile
12. check off chores, sign sheet date & time started & finished.
13. turn light off
14. bring sheet to house,
15. close door
16. use walkie talkie to check in with mom and to let her know you are on your way to house. (remember on CWS, the girls used a walkie Talkie to let whoever was in the house, that they were finished in the barn).
Kate really does not trust her kids. You would think that after almost 3 years, those boys would know what they are doing. Since according to one of the tup girls and Kate this is the only chore that they do according to tup girl and Kate, the only manly thing they do.
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Kate and the sheeple definitely thought the ratings for CWS were due to her. She's ratings gold! Barbara Walters said so! And definitely they equate her being controversial with high ratings. Kate herself said as much when she was asked about going back on DWTS a couple years ago (although she wasn't asked). Someone tweeted to her about her lack of dancing ability and she tweeted back saying that she would bring in controversy and ratings, not dancing ability. The high ratings for CWS, in her mind, were all due to her. But now, with such low ratings for the special, she's got to be just baffled. She thought she'd bring in huge numbers. A "source close to Kate" said she wasn't even worried about the ratings because she knew they would be big. Except they weren't. And the ratings will be worse next week when the people who just wanted to see how the kids have grown tune out.
What will her excuse be then?
I don't think I have seen this mentioned yet, but when Shoka made his very brief appearance, they showed him being fed outside, in MARCH, snow on the ground and all...but her bird baby gets the run of the place? Wtf!
Kate is trending on Yahoo, along with the Ebola outbreak!
T: according to Kate, the dog loves being outside. BS. When Kate said she loves pets and takes very good care of them I thought I was going to puke. Yeah Kate, like when you had both dogs and kept them in a cage all the time and sometimes forgot to feed them and give them water, and let them out of cage to poop & pee, so they stayed in cages, in their own mess. Till Jon took them away. Or when one of the dogs ate one of the kids toy and almost died. Yeah, you love animals, that's why you keep the dog outside most of the time. Dogs are pack animals.
I also think they were filming way before march, the chore chart had on there, the chores of watering the xmas tree, and cleaning up the needles. The Xmas tree would have been gone by march, and the chore chart changed, don't yeah think?
Once a sheeple, always a sheeple. Too baaaaaaaaad, I thought there was hope for Sandie.
sandiebellz
@MiloandJack So much for a crappy book of lies ruining the show. #noonewillbuyit @Kateplusmy8
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I wonder if Paul Petersen watched last night? I would love to hear
his comments.
Dmasy said... 104
Lukebandit, you got a smile from me.
"You like it, Orlando? It's called Autumn Sunrise." That response is from memory, but close.
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Yes, Dmasy, you got it! I knew it was Autumn Sunrise. What is funny is the way she was tilting and touching it! haha
Oh, and Orlando, the city, not the man in Ghost, haha, that is where my ex lives. hahaha
Kate seems to alternate between two bizarre extremes with the twins. Being the prison warden, and being their BFF. You can't trust a warden who spoils you every so often with movie dates and dinner away from the rabid younger six, and you can't trust a BFF who steals your iphone. It must be terribly confusing for them but that's all part of being a child of a narcissist, they keep you on your toes.
Sadly, the children need neither from a mother, neither a warden nor a BFF.
I get the somewhat reasonable ratings. I don't think most people are on twitter or following her that closely so for them it really is kind of a curiosity factor with an update. I think the true test is what happens next week, whether these viewers will stick around.
The thing too is that it sounds like TLC laid it all out there. They threw everyone under the bus, even the kids. They showed the most drama and headaches possible.
I think that will get viewers. For ONE episode. The problem is you can't keep showing people so difficult to watch week after week. There has to be that balance. THere has to be someone to root for. The kids are frustrated and lashing out and as much as viewers feel for them in all honesty it's hard for a casual viewer to "root" for them. They are missing the hook that made Jon and Kate work, which was the balance between Kate and Jon. Basically what they have here is a one trick pony. And a one trick pony will get ratings their first time around the ring and perhaps even their second. After that, yawn.
Glad to see you commenting, Admin! I feared you headed for the
Genius Bar and ended up at a different kind of bar, and might be
nursing a Rumspringa hangover by now.
! I feared you headed for the
Genius Bar and ended up at a different kind of bar, and might be
nursing a Rumspringa hangover by now.
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Here I am!
I'll tell you about my Genius Bar adventure in the recap!
Vanessa, 156..."Yup, a person's hands dare not touch a slice of pizza but a bird's shit covererd feet can walk on the kitchen counter."
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This is true, except that parrots don't poop on their feet. The only way the bird would have poopy feet is if Kate didn't clean the grate at the bottom of the cage and he walked around in it. They normally don't do that...they stay on their perches or climb the bars of the cage. She lets the bird perch on the kids' shoulders and back, and her bare shoulders. If the feet were covered with poop, I really doubt she would allow that, but with Kate, who knows?
Of course, she wouldn't let the kids walk around a hotel carpet in their bare feet, but she traipsed around NYC without shoes. She makes no sense whatsoever.
Another thing I wanted to mention about the broken "foot" Kate said "I broke my foot and I still hobbled out and fed you" to the kids.
Aw, poor Kate. What a sacrifice she made. Yet, she also manage to hobble all the way to the Baltimore Book Festival and Canada too!!
I think Mady is holding her to the fire, and has a lot she could say, and thus we are seeing a different Kate with Mady. I think this has evolved into a situation where Mady has the goods on Kate, and Kate knows it. Thus, the concerts, Mady's friend at the filming, etc...
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I think Kate tries her best to appease Mady during filming so Kate doesn't feel embarrassed in front of a national audience. I think this is why only Mady's friend showed up at the Game Zone place and it's also why Mady was the last person to get eliminated in GaGa ball up until the point where Kate just had to win. Keeping Mady happy stifles her otherwise brashly honest tongue which makes Kate look like a better Mother.
Layla, it's getting really old to be told or urged to not watch. As has been said so often, all the fans and non fans added together on these blogs won't make a dent in the ratings. I for one, will most definitely be watching.
Blowing In The Wind said... 183
Kate is trending on Yahoo, along with the Ebola outbreak!
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hahaha!! LMAO!
OMG that is hilarious. Thanks for sharing Blowing!
Another thing I wanted to mention about the broken "foot" Kate said "I broke my foot and I still hobbled out and fed you" to the kids.
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Kate "hobbled out" from where, her bedroom? That is her sanctuary, especially when the kids are home, broken toefoot or not.
Sleepless In Seattle said... 194
Vanessa, 156..."Yup, a person's hands dare not touch a slice of pizza but a bird's shit covererd feet can walk on the kitchen counter."
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This is true, except that parrots don't poop on their feet. The only way the bird would have poopy feet is if Kate didn't clean the grate at the bottom of the cage and he walked around in it.
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SIS - Kate has an open tray on the counter with a small upright tree branch attached to it. Zorro was sitting on it and nibbling veggies they'd put there. The tray looks like it might not catch all his droppings.
Another thing I wanted to mention about the broken "foot" Kate said "I broke my foot and I still hobbled out and fed you" to the kids.
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That is absolutely disgusting. How many of us mothers have been sicker than a dog, having been the lucky recipient of the flu or other bug that was passed around by our children? Do we cast it up to our kids that we took care of them? Of course not. Even when we are sick ourselves, our kids come first. I remember a time when all of my kids had the darn stomach bug. I went from room to room, changing sheets, having to do laundry because I ran out of clean bedding, comforting them, making sure that they stayed hydrated, fevers were down, and everything else that moms do in their role as nurses. I was so sick myself that I could hardly get around, but I did. Never once did I ever mention this to my children, even though I wanted to crawl into bed, pull the sheets up over my head and have someone take care of me.
Kate broke her widdle toe and she was a martyr for the cause. Big hand for the best mom in the world. She didn't let her kids starve. Geez. What an ego.
JMO said... 149
This whole mess with twins vs. tups, boys vs. girls, Kate's disdain for boys/men and her inability to ever consider these factors is insane.
I think Mady is holding her to the fire, and has a lot she could say, and thus we are seeing a different Kate with Mady.
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I've said for a long time the twins have been extorting Kate. Okay maybe extortion is too strong a word but I agree Mady will talk and mommie knows it. Cara would probably side with her sister if push came to shove. Pretty tense situation but boohoo for Kate. She set herself up for what's coming from the beginning.
I worry about the twins; one seems like a victim of "depression" and the other reminds me of someone with bi-polar.
Do we really need to start labelling these children with psychological diagnoses? Aren't they labelled enough? They don't need to be told they have psychiatric diagnoses.
There's truly a label out there for everything.
I think that will get viewers. For ONE episode. The problem is you can't keep showing people so difficult to watch week after week.
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Correct. In addition, what else could they possibly show? Their life inside that house would get pretty darn mundane after awhile. I seriously doubt that TLC would cough up the money to send them on the trips that Kate wishes would happen. I would hope that TLC knows that viewers are so over seeing this family getting free vacations, free this and free that. Nobody can relate to that, and it gets old. Who wants to watch Kate and the kids romp on the beach, feed the dolphins or climb lighthouse steps? Except for Milo, of course, and a few deranged sheeple.
#401S leepless------
She said it twice!!!!!
"I hobbled and fed you!!!"
TWICE!!!
SIS - Kate has an open tray on the counter with a small upright tree branch attached to it.
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Those are room perches/play stands. That's the way they are built. They range in size from counter perches to very large, elaborate gyms. She has the smaller one. They often come with bird toys attached, or you can put your own on there. It's fairly easy to keep clean. Google wooden bird play stand. Kate claims the bird is potty trained, and if she's not fibbing, then the bird won't poop on that play gym, but will only use his cage to do his business.
KAIT, Thank you for the info on the timeline. I appreciate it!
Sleepless In Seattle said... 6
SIS - Kate has an open tray on the counter with a small upright tree branch attached to it.
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. . .Kate claims the bird is potty trained, and if she's not fibbing, then the bird won't poop on that play gym, but will only use his cage to do his business.
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But then how do you explain the poop that apparently was visible on the back of Kate's shit at some point? I didn't watch but did notice this comment on her Twitter:
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 · Jun 19
I DID? Sadly crap happens! RT @Mrs_Thood: Watching #KatePlus8 and @Kateplusmy8 has bird poop down her back lol #thestruggleisreal
Denise @Mydmaxx 2h
@Paige_Kate8fan @Kateplusmy8 I recorded so I can watch over & over again too !
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Why would you want to watch the workings of a dysfunctional family and bad parenting over and over again? Sheeple psychology intrigues me.
For some reason, this one reminds me of Brownie the Cereal Lady.
So if Mady's friend was invited, and apparently without informing Mady, does that mean that between the 8 children there is only 1 friend close enough to be invited to the outing? This is beyond sad and pathetic.
Kate is a twit said... 152
Review from tamaratattles.com. Written with snark, but contains a lot of truth. Warning: Some offensive language.
http://tamaratattles.com/2014/06/20/kate-plus-8-worse-than-you-could-even-imagine/#comment-130881
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LOL! Thank you for posting this! I didn't watch it so the recap is great!
"It is supposedly the kids’ Spring Break, so naturally Kate has a full agenda of forced-family fun they will enjoy whether they want to or not. There was a military briefing with the children. "
' I think Mady should run far away now and try to get adopted by a pack of wolves. It would be preferable to her current situation."
"Mady’s twin (Cara?) has not said three words and seems to be picking at her clothes a lot and praying for a swift and painless death."
" Poor Collin, your mother is (C you next Tuesday) and is particularly sensitive about the hair thing because she has been internationally humiliated over her poor choices in hairstyles. It’s not your fault. If I were there I would give you a cookie. Or a Glock, because no jury in the world would convict you, dear."
"Kate, the most delusional person in the world asks “Mady why are you so hard on yourself?” Oh I dunno Kate, maybe it is 13 years of you telling her to shut up and making her feel worthless?"
So TFMJG has the boys only doing the chicken care because it's the only "manly" thing they do? I hate to burst her bubble (No I don't -- evil chuckle), but caring for the chickens was normally the responsibility of the wife and daughters of the family. That and milking/caring for the dairy cow. There's a reason the wife's extra spending money was referred to as "butter and egg money". So once again she's emasculating her sons and getting her facts wrong! I'm so glad I didn't watch the show. I'm getting high blood pressure just reading about it. I discovered a very pressing need to trim my kitty's claws about 10 PM last night, LOL.
She was so manipulative with Mady. Mady voiced a concern (I don't like surprises) and what she needed (next time ask me first) in a very mature, rational manner.
TFW turned it around on her saying, oh next time I shouldn't invite her?
And even then Mady responded maturely, saying, no I didn't say that. I said next time ask me first.
TFW continued with the manipulation saying she wouldn't invite a friend next time.
Disgusting. She just had to win, had to have the last word.
Couldn't just say, oh i'm sorry. You're right, I didn't think. After this I'll ask you first.
getofftwitter said... 161
Kate said sometime ago in some article that she has the kids spy on each other and correct/critize one another, so this is all of Kate's. doing.
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Yes, Inspector Gadget..You can see on one of the chore lists shown on the clip above the beginning of Inspector Ga...
Also, the list said something (the chickens?) had to be checked by an ADULT. Well who the hell would that be besides TFW? Or does she consider the twins adults?
But then how do you explain the poop that apparently was visible on the back of Kate's shit at some point? I didn't watch but did notice this comment on her Twitter:
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How do I explain it, or is "you" the generic (indefinite) "you?"
If there was poop on Kate's shirt, then the bird pooped. Kate claimed early on that the bird is potty trained and never goes outside his cage. I remember commenting way back when that potty training can be done, but it requires a tremendous amount of patience and experience with birds. Kate has neither. I don't for one second believe that Kate potty trained that bird. As I commented when Kate first made that claim and if it's true, then either she had someone train it, or someone took the time to do it at the place of purchase.
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