Monday, May 20, 2013

Amy's Baking Company re-opens


Last week's Kitchen Nightmare's featured some of the most-hated instant villains in reality T.V. history. Amy and Samy Bouzaglo of Scottsdale, Arizona, stole their staffs' tips, fired people on the spot for minor transgressions, and refused to consider any of Gordon Ramsey's suggestions to improve. The pair was so insufferable, Ramsey finally walked out and stopped production, the first time he's ever done so. And the drama didn't stop there. A few days later, a string of nasty Facebook posts, reportedly from the restaurant (they claim they were "hacked"), set off a social media firestorm.

The couple have been bellyaching for years about their "bullies" and "haters," to little sympathy from the rest of the world. Many bloggers and entertainment writers out there have summed this couple up quite nicely, but perhaps ABC's Alex Alvarez did it best. Wrote Alvarez this week: "The reality is that most people do not know or care enough about you to hate you. The internet will always be populated with trolls, but those people are entirely distinct from people who disagree with or criticize you. People are able to not enjoy your service, product, or performance while having no opinion of you as a person. People are capable of not enjoying a pizza dish while also not actively plotting to bring on your demise and that of your restaurant. And those are the people worth listening to. They can potentially make you and what you do better." 


This whole saga set off an interesting discussion of what haters and bullies really are and what role social media plays in one's interactions with their clientele, fans, and non-fans. It highlighted the simple fact that many times, "hate" is just constructive criticism that the recipient just could not handle. 

Tuesday, Amy's Baking Company will re-open for dinner service. With boobyguards in place and a sold out house, this ridiculous saga is probably not over yet. The drama has already started, with Kitchen Nightmares reportedly sending what sounds like some kind of cease and desist to the couple, which caused them to cancel a planned press conference tomorrow. Darn, that press conference could have been good!

You can watch the Kitchen Nightmare's episode in full on Youtube.

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Tucker's Mom said...

he TOO was a victim of BULLYING. He was relentlessly bullied in the home,
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Not directed at anyone in particular, but since we're talking about being sensitive about certain issues and taking them personally, I agree that Jon was "bullied", but the real word is abused.
Kate reminded me of my ex when it comes to verbal abuse. The way that she would find fault in *anything and everything* with Jon, moreover, the way that she belittled him in front of other adults was despicable.
Cases in point:
Blathering on and on and on to the camera crew about wishing she were Jon so she could just sit back and do nothing while he worked (and by working, Kate was doling out Gogurts, cheese pieces and grapes on paper plates after Jon had taken care of the kids ALL morning long).
Insulting the bajeezus out of Jon during kitchen remodeling when she venomously asked Jon what planet he was from when he suggested an under counter fridge. Fact is, it was a brilliant idea and Kate was ignorant about what it is and how it functions. No apology.
IN FRONT OF THE MERRILAT PROFESSIONALS.
How f*cking humiliating for Jon! Been there! Been humiliated by my ex in front of people who respected me and knew me for years, but had no idea I was abused.
It's so humiliating when you see that an outsider to your marriage realizes that you're being beat down on a regular basis and are weak underneath.
Whew... ranting!

AuntieAnn said...

LOL really. This is the only time I've ever heard a sheeple accuse us of not being clear what we don't like about Kate. That's a first!

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I know. What part of this blog don't they understand? This isn't exactly a Kate Gosselin fan club. Their attempts to convert us are pretty amusing sometimes. How thick are they to not figure out that shit ain't gonna happen. ha.

chefsummer #Leh said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 192
Chef, maybe Milo thinks that twitter bots raise children?

Maybe she's confused and that's why she said Kate is raising her children.
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Or Kate made robots of the kids and the real kids are happy w/Jon.

chefsummer #Leh said...

Blowing In The Wind said... 199

Right don't they get that they are rubbing it in by saying.

"I miss you show make it come back"
"When is your show coming back"?
"Kate why don't you do updates"?
"Kate are you and TLC going to do updates"
"Kate when will you get a new show"?
"Kate when will you get a dating show"?

Her fans don't know her to well or they're just real dumb.

Blowing In The Wind said...

"LOL really. This is the only time I've ever heard a sheeple accuse us of not being clear what we don't like about Kate. That's a first!"

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I think that kind of supports our assertion that they are deficient when it comes to reading comprehension, not to mention logical thinking ability.

"Sorry Fleecing.I owe you nothing."

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Not even a space at the end of your sentences?

Sorry, Anonymous, but nobody here owes YOU anything either.

A person can talk until he's blue in the face with someone like anon, but it's never going to make any difference, so why respond? I think not feeding the troll here is applicable in this situation.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

t LOM is getting upset saying im wasting my time.Wil be back tommorrow after i get the kids off to school.

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Oh my gosh I didn't catch that the first time. IT is Milo. Hi Milo!

Hey, if your obsession with supporting a D-lister reality star is so deep that your husband is getting upset with you, I would take that as a warning and stop. Childhood is fleeting, and so too often are marriages. No marriage is worth putting on the line for Kate. When's the last time Kate communicated with you? She does not care about you. I know that is harsh, but I think you need to be told the truth. Forget her, you will be discarded at a moment's notice the second she doesn't need you just like everyone else in her life no longer of use to her. She is a narcissist. This is how they roll. Take it from those of us who have been through it and get out now. Please don't make the mistakes we did in trying to make thinks WORK with our narcissists. There is no making it work.

OrangeCrusher1 said...

Which supports the theory that Milo regularly reads here. Amazing, after all the negative comments about HER, she is so besotted with Kate that she would come here and write her supportive posts (oddly enough,without the twangy nonsense of her Twitter lingo). Milo, step away from the internet, and look at your real family - if you have kids to get to school, then why are you here, or better yet, spending so so much time tweeting a Z list celebrity who quite frankly does not give a rat's ass about you? I am sure you can find more meaningful places for your blind devotion.

Dmasy said...

Jodi Arias, trying her best to be demure and charming, requested life instead of the death penalty. She has plans to start a book club in prison.

She has no remorse.

If that was my son who was butchered, I would be in deep grief and fury every time Jodi made one of her insensitive remarks.

Anon Anon said...

That is not Milo

It is someone pretending to be Milo

AuntieAnn said...

Anon Anon said... 8

That is not Milo

It is someone pretending to be Milo

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And you know this because....?

You're not Milo pretending not to be Milo now are you? lol!

Millicent said...

Brad Pitt: "I love it. I love it. I love it. I hate it when they’re gone. I hate it. Maybe it’s nice to be in a hotel room for a day – ‘Oh, nice, I can finally read a paper.’ But then, by the next day, I miss that cacophony, all that life.”
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See, this rings so true. It doesn't sound scripted, it doesn't sound like something his PR person wrote and told him to say, so that he sounds like a good parent. It's real.

I just have one child, but believe me he can make plenty of noise and commotion :) But he's 15, and busy, busy, busy - doesn't get home til 6:30 p.m. or later these days. So it's gearing me up for the empty nest syndrome and I completely understand what Brad Pitt is saying - when it's quiet and you have the house to yourself - at first it's nice, but then you really miss having that level of activity that children bring to a household.

chefsummer #Leh said...

sam breth ‏@sambreth1 2h
@Kateplusmy8 can we get a Kate in a bikini photo posted? Thanks Beautiful!
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Looks like Milo & Irshfan have competition.

Sheri said...

Hi All,

Back from a hiatus, Spring finally sprung up here and the yard work has been non stop. Had to laugh that the post this week is about Amy's Baking Company. Hubby watched that episode of KN and was telling me all about it. He said it was hilarious. The comparisons between Amy and Kate seem freakishly accurate.

However, I personally didn't see the episode so I don't have much to say on that note.

As per the discussion about "bullying" in the workplace, I have a different perspective.

Hubby is a business analyst/consultant for the Gov't and his job is to study policies, analyze procedures and offer solutions where needed.

He's very good at his job and having worked in over half a dozen various branches of gov't, is highly regarded in his field.

He also frequently gets called a "bully" and is regularly accused of picking on full-time employees.

He, of course, does nothing even close to what would be defined as "workplace harassment". Is he peaches and cream nice to the people who aren't doing their jobs? No. Does he report his findings to their superiors? Yes, absolutely, that's what he's paid for.

Has he ever called someone names, gone out of his way to make them uncomfortable or trashed talked an employee outside of the context of their job performance? Never.

Still, he gets hauled into Director's offices and has to explain himself time and time again. He claims it's no big deal, part of the job.

Nevertheless, it irks me to no end how so many people are willing to cry bully or hater just because someone is telling the truth and calling it as they see it.

I'm not saying that workplace harassment doesn't happen, of course it does and it's a serious issue.

I just fail to see how more legislation is going to solve the issue. It seems to me that more laws would just muck up the process of getting real concerns dealt while anyone with a solvable grievance gets their hand held and their head patted.

Someone up-thread said that a more cost effective solution would be to better train HR and managers to recognize legitimate concerns and address them. I wholeheartedly agree.

It's definitely not a black and white issue, there are plenty of grey areas here. But to call workplace harassment "bullying" seems to both make constructive criticism out to be damaging while diminishing the devastating effects of serious bullying for children.

I'm not sure it's coming out the way I'd hoped and I certainly am not trying to offend or insult anyone, I apologize in advance if I have. I just wanted to present another side to the discussion.

Anon Anon said...

It is not too hard to figure that all out. Milo would never comment here.

Vanessa said...

How f*cking humiliating for Jon! Been there! Been humiliated by my ex in front of people who respected me and knew me for years, but had no idea I was abused.
It's so humiliating when you see that an outsider to your marriage realizes that you're being beat down on a regular basis and are weak underneath.
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I agree it IS abuse (glad to see you are OUT of that situation Tucker's Mom)and a true victim, once their eyes are open can spot it a mile away. Back in the heyday of their popularity people were witnessing a bully ABUSING her husband and children. People called her out on it. But Jon was the bad guy for the media and for some posters here.
Abusers are BULLIES, so if some victims are treated with kid gloves and are given help in confronting their bullies/abusers, why does/did Jon receive such animosity? Like admin said, double standard. There seems to be a male bashing phenomenon going on in the world.

AuntieAnn said...

Ramsay has had some bad luck with narcissists and spoiled brats. Another failure was a bistro in Paris that was run by a woman whose father had purchased it for her. She was an impertinent little witch who thought it should all be handed to her and even when it was handed to her she couldn't make a go of it. She didn't even show up to meet Ramsay one morning because her cat was having kittens.

Ramsay finally told her to her face that she was lazy and that she "deserved a kick in the fucking ass" with her father sitting right there. I love Gordon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyU0IvBbCeo

DWINDLE said...

Hi everyone. This is Dwindle.

OH, yes it is. hehe

Some of you may remember back about 9 months ago when I posted that my son in law was off to Afghanistan. Again. He is a CW4 in the US Army, a Blackhawk Instructor Pilot for his battalion.

Many of you offered such kind words and good wishes which I did send along to my daughter.

About an hour ago she called and she had seen him but not yet hugged him. He is home safe! By the time I am done typing this, he will have turned in his sidearms and other "sensitive items" and there will be lots of huggin' and smoochin' goin' on.

Many thanks to all who sent prayers his way. And special thanks to Dmasy, who has been mailing care packages and other items to him in the sandbox all these many months.

Dutch Tulip said...

http://dlisted.com/2013/05/22/one-crazies-behind-amys-bakery-might-be-kicked-out-us

AuntieAnn said...

I should add that Rachel, the woman on RKN decided that prostition was the way to go. lol

"After liquidating Piccolo Teatro in court, Scots mum-of-one Rachel set herself up in a flat in Montparnasse. She said: “I enjoy sex and was turned on by the idea of selling my body for money, so it wasn’t much of a hassle."

Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/tv/3012415/Gordon-Ramsay-cook-becomes-200-a-night-hooker.html#ixzz2U2oNmIqZ


Dmasy said...

Dwindle and Dutch Tulip...back to back posts! Add Love my Grandsons, Dallas Lady and Hippie Chick and that would be a full house in poker terms!

Dmasy said...

Wonderful news, Dwindle. Happy day!

Dutch Tulip said...

DWINDLE said... 17

Hi Dwindle,
Congratulations with the safe return of your son in law!
( and it's good seeing you here, hope and wish everything is ok)

Millicent said...

I hope I'm not prolonging the discussion re workplace issues - and what to do if your co-worker, supervisor or boss is offensive, bullies you, or otherwise harasses you in some way. I have worked in a variety of jobs for over 30 years now. I started as a lowly clerk at a store; have worked for insurance agents; worked in a college bookstore; worked in some construction firms; and worked in law offices, among my many work places. There are already laws in place against certain behaviors in the workplace, and most work places have an HR department.

I am not belittling anyone who has dealt with workplace harassment. I've been there myself, and though the school of hard knocks have learned how to deal with bullies. My method happens to be the direct approach. I used to be a doormat. But something happened over the years as I had to deal with various situations. I developed a core of steel inside me.

I think it's good we have laws in place for serious harassment situations, but it's also very valuable to learn how to stand up for ourselves, no matter the situation.

TLC stinks said...

Darn, Twitter silence is broken:

"Good day! We're getting closer & closer to POOL TIME here every day..Filling it as we speak! It's almost summer&we're super excited!"

______________________________________

Kate speak for the pool boys are filling and cleaning it.

"So.... I've been a bit busy... Have you noticed? I've been working, cleaning, doing laundry, cooking, working.... How are you all?

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Kate speak for I do "work" separately from cleaning, cooking, laundry. What does she consider work...her once a week blog? Phoning her attorneys checking up on Robert's book? Maintaining her fried hair?

Millicent said...

Um how does buying a cookbook that's due in Sept help me w/dinner tonight???
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LOL! So true. Try again Milo.

Millicent said...

Anon Anon said... 14

It is not too hard to figure that all out. Milo would never comment here.
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How would you know what Milo would do, or never do? Do you know Milo personally? I think Milo got legitimately busted for posting here.

Millicent said...

Dwindle - wonderful news about your son-in-law's safe return home from his last military posting!

People want to say that any time they receive criticism, they are being bullied. Clear misunderstanding of both terms. My son (in 9th grade) was accused of bullying by his math teacher. He had told her that she didn't explain a certain concept prior to testing on it. She said she had. That's fine - two people with different memories of an event. But she said that his questioning her was "bullying." That made me very angry - a teacher, immediately going into victim mode and behaving unprofessionally.

Gordon Ramsey criticizes mercilessly. But he is invited in specifically to point out what's wrong. I am sure people have called him a bully too.

PatK said...

That's great news, Dwindle! And nice to see you pop in!

Sheri said...

I wrote...(113)

"But to call workplace harassment "bullying" seems to both make constructive criticism out to be damaging while diminishing the devastating effects of serious bullying for children."

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I knew I messed up this sentence and thereby the thought.

My point was, that by labeling genuine workplace harassment as "bullying" we run the risk of diminishing legitimate cases of abuse while we elevate solvable employee discontent issues to the realm of necessary tax dollars.

In the meantime, real bullying being experienced by children and teens, even those who take their own lives as a result, is but a footnote.

SMH


Paper Plates Forever! Yay! said...

It is very telling that the Anon poster makes references to "Milo" in her posts. It sounds like Milo is on here trying to defend her love for Kate and also trying to get back at the meanies for criticizing her because of her devotion for Kate. And the LOM was very telling indeed. haha. But why the sloppy spelling and poor sentence structure Milo? Hmmmmm. Are you trying to 'sound' like a dum dum on here so we'd never guess it was you. LOL.

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

I highly doubt Milo commented here last night.

Ally said...

Admin 24...
I am still at the beginning reading through this, but...she didn't go on the show to get help??
Why would a person who thinks everything they cook is great and wonderful, the best food in the country, need help?
She wanted Ramsey to praise her food, validate her beliefs so that she could stick it to the food critics that didn't like her food.
He did compliment her baked goods. If he had stayed and actually helped them I believe he would have suggested going with just a bakery, and turn it into a coffee/dessert bistro. Usually chefs that do savory well, don't do sweet and vice versa.
Ramsey actually looked at her when she went into her bullying tirade and said, to be in this business you need to develop a thick skin and don't engage with someone in an online battle.
She is Kate 2.0. I just watched the episode today on you tube. The similarities are uncanny. And I loved how he told her she is not being bullied and wanted to know why she can't handle any criticism? That's the only way you can get better. She never answered that question. Danced all the way around it, though.
I think in a true narcissist's mind, criticism is not even a word. They don't understand or follow that concept. Everyone is out to get them, because they don't like them; are jealous of them. Amy, like Kate, by the very nature of their sickness, they cannot get better. One would have to accept criticism and that is not in their vocabulary.

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

Lana Bo-banna ‏@LanaLanaBobanna 2h
@MiloandJack Milo, they're saying you posted at 15 minutesGosselinstyle. Did you? If not admin will have egg on her face.

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack 26m
@LanaLanaBobanna Absolutely NOT! I don't go 2that cesspool of hate! It's a faker/imposter if they say they R me! No interest N that site!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Egg on my face?? Lol. I was going to say why don't we just ask milo. I don't think someone should be on here implying they are her by dropping things like LOM. Glad she cleared that up.

Millicent said...

LOL - just read this on a Huffington Post article about Amy's Baking Company's re-opening:
"Fewer than a dozen people were waiting when the restaurant reopened Tuesday. Four guards blocked the door and turned reporters away. Inside, a smiling Samy Bouzaglo posed for pictures and told customers that the tension captured in the episode was staged."

So much for being sold out. "Fewer than a dozen" could mean anywhere from 2 to 11 people showed up.

Ally said...

TFGOT 42...
I have to agree with you too, regarding workplace bullying. I worked in a private medical practice that used bullying to get certain doctors to leave the group, rather than asking them to leave. If they left on their own, the group had more power over where they could take a new job. They could not practice within 25 miles of any of their 6 offices which range about 20 miles from each other. Essentially, this would prevent patients from following their doctor to a new practice. These same doctors would also be set up to fail. Forcing impossible standards. They made you miserable. You wanted to quit. But, for that, they gained the upper hand. My mother and I have worked in this same practice. She for over 25 years. Financially she can't leave because she would never make somewhere else what she does there. So she deals. It's lousy. She comes home very upset sometimes. I worked there as a nurse. They don't care about employee retention. Because if you leave they hire a new one, for less money. They don't care about making it a pleasant work environment. After a couple years, I couldn't take it anymore. They tried to make me accept disciplinary action because they gave me days off, then later decided they wanted me to work one day in the middle of my time off. I was going out of town, refused to change my plans. I stuck to my guns, with colleague support, everyone knew they were doing it to annoy me. They didn't need me on the schedule that day. So, I decided at that point I was quitting. Left, 3 months later. They could not have cared less.
So sadly yes, workplace bullying is very much out there. Wasn't anything anyone could do. So people quit. They probably gave the highest employee turn over rate in a medical practice in my state.

chefsummer #Leh said...

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said... 33
Lana Bo-banna ‏@LanaLanaBobanna 2h
@MiloandJack Milo, they're saying you posted at 15 minutesGosselinstyle. Did you? If not admin will have egg on her face.
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Admi may have egg of her face-(not) but you are reading a blog that dislikes your queen hmmmmm....okayyyy.

If you like KK so much why read here and not the gosselin family fansite?

I know why cause it's dead lol.

PatK said...

I never thought that person was Milo, even if he/she/it DID throw out the "LOM" reference.

I'm glad Milo does not come here. I wouldn't want her feelings hurt.

Oh, wait...her "friends" are kind enough to let her know about it anyway.

Nevermind.

Ally said...

I forgot to mention it was the president and head of HR that were responsible for the majority of the bullying. It then trickled down to the managers on the staff.

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

Milo seems to enjoy having her feelings hurt. Gives her a chance to play the martyr. Something she does quite well.

I'm wondering if she's going to take a break from kissing Kate's *ss for a while or is this just another failed ploy to get Kate to reply?

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack 18h
@Kateplusmy8 But FiredUp...never gives up completely! I'll be back! Don't U 4get me Kate! :) U know where 2find me!

Millicent said...

Ally - I agree that your workplace and the people who run it make it a very unpleasant place to work. But I don't think you can legislate against that -- that is a particular way of running a business, one that is not nice, not pleasant, but not really illegal either. I mean, how much say do you want government to have over the way a business owner conducts and runs their business? How detailed should any such laws be?

I most definitely sympathize with you, your mother and the doctors who were pushed out of business. My guess is that patients are often unhappy with the business end of things too. Perhaps the real answer is if enough patients would take their care elsewhere, thus hitting the practice where it hurts most (their bank account), that would be the more effective method of curbing such terrible business practices.

If the government was going to take more control over business practices, I wish they'd start with the owners of coal mines and demand they make their mines safer for workers. Or that fertilizer companies have to be rigorously inspected at least once a year.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

If someone will pass the spatula, I'll fry up some omlettes for us all.

capecodmama said...

Dwindle...Great to hear your sil returned home safely. Thank him for his service.

It took me a minute to figure out if the picture above was of Kate or this Amy chick I've never heard of. Incredible likeness.

OrangeCrusher1 said...

Posting with delight to the cesspool of hate. It matters not if anon was really Milo, but it sure did send her into a dither. Perhaps her invitation to the royal pool opening has not yet arrived.

Linda in PA said...

LOL Admin!!

Tucker's Mom said...

Sheri said... 13
Hi All,
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I just wanted to say a quick "hi" back Sheri. I'm catching up after lots of yard work, too ;-)
I bought 2 "death row" Salvia plants today. We'll see if some MiracleGro and tlc will perk them up. I hope they end up flanking my mailbox for years to come.

Anon Anon said...

I knew that was not Milo.

TLC stinks said...

I always thought sheeple read here, including the queen, Kate. I hope they think about what is discussed.

Sooooo, looks like Kate's twitter is DOA and they want to mix it up here. Love that people have mostly abandoned her. Twitter is the only thing that keeps her name out there, for example, those nonsense examiner.com stories. You think she or her manger is paying someone to read her twitter and write those idiotic stories? So disparate.

Ally said...

Millicent 41...
I know this is not illegal. I also was not thinking some new legislation should be added. My point is that this medical practice has 25+ doctors, in 6 offices, a separate phone center and triage. It is gigantic. It's size alone allows them to run shady business practices. They are money hungry and cram 3 patients every 15 minutes into the schedule. Certain doctors actually wanted to spend time with their patients. So they got behind. A couple doctors would often run easily an hour late. This is a pediatric group. Patients complain. So head doctor, comes down on more thorough doctor and is bullied, for lack of a better word. They are forced to take more on call, more hospital duty...running them into the ground. They set them up to fail, with a schedule they KNOW they can't stick to. Now they were also very popular doctors because they spent more time with their patients. It was a factory, set up to monopolize the county. Not many other practices to go to. They are HUGE! Now the president of the doctors and head HR and top office manager were in bed together. No one could complain. You would get dumped on more. If you left, can't practice essentially anywhere you could commute to for 2 years (non compete clause). But not if you were fired. So make you so miserable you have to quit. Then can't work here. It's disgusting.
I have never worked with so many disgruntled people in my life.
They knew I had an advanced degree, but was working as a nurse with them, after gradation, until I found a job. So they abused me. They literally sent me to everyone of their 6 offices, sometimes splitting one day between two offices. I was the only nurse in that practice who knew all 25 doctors. I literally worked with all of them. But I am not a complainer, sucked it up and did my job. I was one of the few, like I said, many disgruntled staff. So, every doctor liked to work with me. I did my job. Maybe if I sucked more I would have had a more stable position in 1 office. I should point out, everyone else only worked in 1 office. I was like a ping pong ball. It drove me nuts.

Sorry for the rant. My only point. Workplace bullying exists and it's not always so easy to get out of it.

FYI said...

Dwindle--I'm so happy to read that your SIL is home, and that he is home safe. Thanks for putting a smile on my face today. Good news like that is always welcome. Please thank him for his service.

FYI said...

I've been away and am just catching up on the news. Sending prayers to all affected by the tornados in Oklahoma and elsewhere. I hope that everyone here that has been affected is safe and well.

Unknown said...

Catching up....good to see Dutch Tulip and Dwindle!
Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said... 31
''I highly doubt Milo commented here last night.''
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I agree. The poster with the broken space bar (and now it seems a broken apostrophe also) is the anonymous poster we all know about. The other poster was pretending to be Milo, in my opinion.
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I absolutely agree with the posters who said that Jon was bullied by not only KK, but by TLC. She bullied him over and over and over and we watched her with our own eyes as she did it!
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I've really been thinking about those of us who live in Tornado Alley and our attitude about tornadoes. Remember that I said I have my ''tornado closet'' stocked year round, and getting to it takes 2 minutes tops. There is a reason it takes 2 minutes tops...and that is because you know w/o a doubt that if the tornado is that near you, there is no time to try to save a single thing. Period. I would compare a tornado with an earthquake. It is there, and it is most likely going to be destructive, you simply take cover and wait till it is over to see how destructive it is.

I heard on the news that Oklahoma is third in states, behind Texas and California, for disaster funds needed. When there is a wildfire headed for your house, you have time to try to save some things. When there is a flood, as the water is rising, you have time to try to save some things. With a tornado or an earthquake, you take steps ahead of time. You try to have photos online and so on...and you accept that you'll be lucky if you have anything left. You know it, and accept it.

Yet people live in California, in spite of earthquakes, and don't spend a lot of time wondering if one is going to hit your property. People in Tornado Alley live there and don't spend a lot of time thinking about it, once you've prepared your most safe place and have it stocked.

Oh...another thing. About those basements. A basement may be below ground level, but it has the rest of your house on top of it. Once your house has a direct hit of a tornado, especially a F5 tornado, it rips your house off, and there you are in your basement, with the rest of your house gone...as exposed as you would have been if you had no basement.

AuntieAnn said...

Anyone remember hazing in high school? I find it incredible that it was ever allowed to happen. Some of the rituals were unbelievably cruel and humiliating and yet completely legitimate in the eyes of the school. Wow. Just wow.

Ex Nurse said...

Call Me Crazy--Your description of your workplace experience was very similar to my daughter's, in that much of it was under the radar. He was masterful that way.

Admin--to clarify: She verbally reported some of his really obnoxious behaviors that were continually sabotaging classroom management and was told that possibly he was frustrated that he was an assistant, not the lead teacher. The owner suggested that my daughter give him more responsibility. He was an absolute nightmare and sabotaged her every move. Stupid things like throwing packages of string cheese for snack, throwing balls in the room, distracting during quiet time. All of which were terrible behaviors to model for preschoolers. It wasn't until the owner read a long list of specific behaviors that she realized how big of a problem it was. I am completely satisfied with how they handled the situation, once the problem was acknowledged. It is always easier to be outside the situation and have all the answers. It is another thing to be in the situation, feeling depressed and not understanding why. Bullies target vulnerable and inexperienced people--they are masterful in that way.

Sleepless--my point is not that you have to be bright and articulate to know that you are being bullied. My point is that despite that fact that she is bright and articulate, she didn't know she was being bullied.

I think that it is encouraging that the problem of workplace bullying is in the public spotlight--people know what is right and wrong. However, using Samy and Amy as the example of business owners who are, themselves, bullies, where are their employees supposed to turn for help? The trauma that employees experience will follow them into their next jobs, and effect their job performance. In addition, they will not even be able to get references for their time there. That is blatantly unfair, and, without laws to protect them, they have no recourse. So, in addition to the emotional trauma suffered, their livlihood has been threatedned. I guess some of us think that these are "bumps" and "potholes". I don't agree--I think that these are traumas and setbacks that have far-reaching consequences. Anyone here is free to think differently. I hope that no one here ever has to go through this, or have a near and dear go through this.

Over In Kate's County said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 42

If someone will pass the spatula, I'll fry up some omlettes for us all.

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Would you please mix up some Bloody Marys to go with that? I just spent nearly seven hours at the Goodwill store. The reason? Our church is collecting clothing for the tornado victims, and I figured I'd buy some things to send along. "Some" things turned into bags and bags, and more bags full of clothing. They had some very nice children's clothing, many of it brand new, and so I shopped.

While there, I was talking to some of the other shoppers who were doing the same thing. The consensus was that everyone felt that they had to do something for those people who lost everything.
Bottom line -- I am exhausted (yes, Kate...exhausted), but it's a good kind of exhausted.

Western omelet, please, admin? Thanks!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

They're supposed to file harassment charges, to call the IRS, the police and the da, or to leave, and many of them had. I think they said 100 had. The restaurant is a fluid business and any restaurant owner understands there are bad experiences out there. I never heard of any of their ex employees claim they had trouble getting work elsewhere. Better yet, read yelp before you apply there and don't apply in the first place. They said they only hired new staff who hasn't seen the show. How stupid can you be, I'm sorry. The entire country is talking about them and you waltz in blind as a bat and offer to work for them? I cannot have sympathy for that. It is every waitress's responsibilty to be informed about the restaurants they are applying to. I am never going to support over regulating small businesses, even bad ones. They are our backbone. We simply cannot make yor average restaurant owner petrified that his management style will get him sued, it's a terrible idea that could conceivably have disastrous effects. Think about it. Will insurance rates go through the roof if you now have to insure yourself for bully lawsuits too? I find that ridiculous and frightening and potentially crippling. It's hard enough to make a go at a restaurant, lets cut them a break.

It is unrealistic to expect a 20 year old kid to hire a lawyer and file a civil suit against people like this. How would he even have the money for such a thing? Civil suits are brought by you, and only have the potential to work if you can afford it! How does a waitress afford it lets get real. If you're thinking criminal that's still a problem. The da has to file still. If they don't you're up a creek. In this case the solution is get away from them and spread the word. Word travels fast in that business. Sounds like they are done. They are going to self destruct anyway and it all worked out. This will probably be an asset on your résumé at this point if you can survive that! Lol

Sheri I agree with you 100% Your husband should be free to have a certain management style without constant harassment about bullying.

Over In Kate's County said...

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack 26m
@LanaLanaBobanna Absolutely NOT! I don't go 2that cesspool of hate! It's a faker/imposter if they say they R me! No interest N that site!

But if there were a cesspool of Kate that targeted Jon, she'd be there in a heartbeat!

Over In Kate's County said...

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said... 31

I highly doubt Milo commented here last night.

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Not Milo. She has a space bar, and at least she can spell and write coherently. The one who posted here couldn't do either.

Ex Nurse said...

Vanessa said...
With all due respect Ex-Nurse, whenever Jon is the subject of a thread here, you seem to have the opinion that he should have, could have done more for those kids, should have could have left etc. etc., he TOO was a victim of BULLYING. He was relentlessly bullied in the home, in his marriage, by his employer, by the public-yet you seem to hold him up to a different standard.
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Fair point. I was wondering the same--why are people who made that very case about Jon so unsympathetic to others who are experiencing bullying in the work place.

I know it is probably futile, because I have said this many times: JMO that Jon's behavior in the time of the divorce cause harm to his children. By all appearances, he has kept himself out of the limelight and respects his kids' privacy. He has always been a loving parent. I think he is immature, but, hey, no one is perfect. For the life of me, I don't understand that vitriole that comes my way when I say that he has a hand in whatever trauma the kids went through at the time. It happened--it is part of their family's history. Jon and Kate were a toxic combination, and they BOTH damaged those children. He signedd, not just one, but 2 contracts. And, at the same time that he was stopping filming, he signed a deal with Entertainment Tonight for access to photos and stories.

Anyway, I find it just as interesting that the same people who are diminishing the problem of bullying are the very ones who go to that to justify Jon's behavior. He had 8 small children depending on him--his behavior, in view of that, was indefensible.

Over In Kate's County said...

sam breth ‏@sambreth1 2h
@Kateplusmy8 can we get a Kate in a bikini photo posted? Thanks Beautiful!

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Send him the picture of her with the floppy white hat and blue bikini (rear shot) talking to someone in the car.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Again ex nurse this is what is so darn frustrating. The fact that people don't believe in a law as the solution does not mean they are not sympathic or diminishing it. Some people think a law won't help or will make it worse. That's the epitome of sympathetic, wanting solutions that will work. I don't think it's fair to tell people here who don't agree with you that they are not sympathic. I hear this a lot from the more welfare group. Oh you're just not sympathetic to the poor. Sigh.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Conversely you could just as easily say that those who want to regulate to death the backbone of America are not sympathic to all the challenges and frustrations of trying to run a business and not go broke under all the regulations they already face. The business that was gracious enough to hire you. They put their money on the line, not you the employee. They deal with the IRS, the government, all the red tape. Not you. There's another side here, and I firmly believe the vast majority of these people are good people who would never dare dream of bullying you, yet they will be subject to just such regulations too.

Somewhere In Time said...

I was wondering the same--why are people who made that very case about Jon so unsympathetic to others who are experiencing bullying in the work place.

To state the people are unsympathetic to others who are experiencing bullying in the work place just isn't true. Because some are opposed to more and more laws being enacted does not in any way mean that they don't care. To assume that they do really isn't fair to those who indeed respect the rights of those to work in an environment free of harassment.

I also think that posters here are offended by comments that are condescending or smug, implying that for some reason people who read and post here are not capable of understanding what another person is saying. I think that most do understand it, are intellectually capable of figuring it out on their own, but don't respond because they are put down when their opinion differs from that of the poster.

Over In Kate's County said...

I said..."But if there were a cesspool of Kate that targeted Jon, she'd be there in a heartbeat! "

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lol!! I meant cesspool of "hate," but Kate works just as well!

localyocul said...

Over In Kate's County said... 60
sam breth ‏@sambreth1 2h
@Kateplusmy8 can we get a Kate in a bikini photo posted? Thanks Beautiful!

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Send him the picture of her with the floppy white hat and blue bikini (rear shot) talking to someone in the car

(((((((((((((((((((((

Somebody did:

@EmeraldCityJazz 3h
@sambreth1 Here'a a picture of Kate in a blue bikini :) http://www.justjared.com/photo-gallery/2012111/kate-gosselin-blue-bikini-09/

Tucker's Mom said...

(hope this hasn't been posted yet, but...)
HAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!

You knew it was coming. Someone, somewhere was going to post the Hilter video about Amy's Baking Company.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLUiy0-JYow&feature=share

... and the cherry on top of the Montezuma's Revenge burger:

http://now.msn.com/crazy-amy-cartoon-lampoons-kitchen-nightmares-couple

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Poor Hitler, even he can't stand Amy and Samy.

You can't fight the whole internet!!!

I don't know why that's funny but it is LOL.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Hysterical comment on the Hitler video, which as 23,000 likes and two dislikes:

Rachel Grover 1 day ago
two dislikes.  obviously Amy and Samy.

Anonymous said...

Over In Kate's County said... 60
sam breth ‏@sambreth1 2h
@Kateplusmy8 can we get a Kate in a bikini photo posted? Thanks Beautiful!
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Oh dear God, please don't. Have had a bad day as it is.

Anonymous said...

Reading backwards with comments, but Jon was no innocent initially when they separated, IMO. I DO think he wanted to stop filming the kids, but may have warranted a career for himself, but quickly moved on.

Kate, not so much.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

LOL funny cartoon too. I still laugh when Amy was first trying to explain the online bullies to Ramsey.

The way he delivered the "line" was so perfect. He was just like Wha-WHAT? "Online....'bullies'???"

So great. I'm guessing a stiff upper lipped Englishman would be even more incredulous about such a concept.

Anna said...

Bottom line -- I am exhausted (yes, Kate...exhausted), but it's a good kind of exhausted

Would you like a cookie with your omelette?

Anonymous said...

One of the most brilliant quotes I heard fresh out of college in my brand new job was "You can't shine shit."

Apply this where necessary : )Sorry for the "language", but it truly does apply.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Sheri's story of her husband's management style really concerns me. Under "bullying" regulations which with all their good intentions are seeking to protect legitimate terrible incidents, in the same breath people like Abby Lee Miller and Gordon Ramsey could be shut down. Both of them use a hard-knock, boot camp style of teaching that some people find offensive. I suspect many people may prefer this management style, and I think they should be able to make use of it. Steve Jobs was notorious for being quite vicious to his employees. Should he have been stopped? I don't think so. Unless it crosses the line to actual harassment, let him be. He made brilliant products and had brilliant minds working for him and if you didn't prefer his style then I hear Bill Gates is much nicer, go work for him. If you don't like it you need not go to their establishments. I personally would never let a child of mine be instructed by Abby, but that doesn't mean that some other parent and child may like her style, so have at it. What about boot camp,

There is a legitimate, arguably effective style (it's not for me, but who am I to say it's not for everyone if someone else responds to it? ) of dealing with people that involves, basically, TOUGH LOVE. Not just a passive aggressive well I wish your last assignment could be better. But a full on, Jim, you're a screw up, your last assignment was crap and you know it. Go back to your desk and you better show me something decent by the end of the day or you can stick your pencil where the sun don't shine.

Bullying? Maybe. Effective? For some people YES. Ever hear how some people are just really tough on you because they actually think you have great potential? I mean some people think why waste my time trying to get something better out of Peter and Paul, I'm going after Jim and I'm going to be on his ass like white on rice because that kid is going to be president of this company someday. Frankly, I just cannot fathom trying to stop someone who believes in this philosophy. It's WRONG.

If you are sensitive to such styles or think if it was thrust upon you you would feel bullied, it's always good to ask around and gleam as much information as you can about the environment before subjecting yourself to it. Some of this falls on the employee themselves to really get a feel for what they are signing up for. Ask if you can shadow someone, make friends with people who work there, offer to take them out to lunch and pick their brain. We need to be in charge of our own destinies sometimes. Obviously not all bad situations can be headed off, of course not, but a good many could or at least be handled without outside forces. Without a doubt, anyone who works for Amy and Samy now are responsible if their experience is a bad one. They had their notice. If somebody wants to walk on hot coals, you can't stop them. But I don't want to hear complaints when they burn their feet.

Anonymous, you say you can't shine shit. We say you can't make chicken soup out of chicken shit! Why hurt yourself trying? :)

localyocul said...

Nancy Grace talking about the GMA interview of Jodi Arias where the guy really asked the good questions and she called him a hater.

I.M. Important ‏@freelancewoman 56s
@NancyGraceHLN Stop saying the word "hater." It's not a word. It's Ghetto speech #JodiArias picked up in the pokey. #JodiArias

Anonymous said...

Anonymous, you say you can't shine shit. We say you can't make chicken soup out of chicken shit! Why hurt yourself trying? :)
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Indeed : )

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Sorry anonymous, the m is next to the n and it's been a long day of omelet making. I don't think I deserved the C word for that!

GLEAN. :)

Walk On The Wild Side said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 193

Chef, maybe Milo thinks that twitter bots raise children?

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Is there anyone here who knows how the BOT system works? I don't have an account (wouldn't want one), and I read Kate's timeline only occasionally, but I am curious about these bots. When hundreds appear at one time, one after another with RTs, how does that happen? Obviously nobody in central command sends out tweets to all of those people telling them to RT Kate Gosselin out of the goodness of their hearts. She's not that relevant. You know darn well, though, that someone bought those RTs when her timeline goes from 5 tweets per hour to several hundred in a matter of minutes.

I know that you can buy RTs and Tweets and that's obviously what happened recently, but who belongs to those accounts? Are they legit accounts, of fake accounts set up solely for purchase? If they are legit accounts, are those tweeters aware that someone has purchased them and is using them for their own financial gain? The retweeters all seemed to have the same type of photo as their avatar...a picture of a person (supposedly them?)...

And...doesn't Twitter monitor this? It certainly isn't sanctioned by the powers-that-be at Twitter, is it?

Layla said...

Isn't it amusing to see the lengths to which Kate's fans will go to find someone to fight with? They loved all the bickering on Twitter. They went whining to Bullyville, reveling in the drama of it all. The majority of the haters walked away, and the fans were left totally bereft. They never thought it could happen. The haters could quit them, but they couldn't quit the haters. All they have left is Kate. How many times can they tweet "You're awesome" to the same person before it gets old? How many times do they want to read about how busy Kate is doing laundry? Boring! They are desperate for some drama. When the haters left, Kate's Twitter numbers dropped to single-digit tweets per hour. There are a few haters left, and I would love to see them walk away, just to see what would happen. The fans would lost their minds. As it is, they have the same little spats with the few remaining haters, over and over. They try desperately to provoke the old haters to come back, only to be ignored. And now they are coming to non-fan blogs, trying to stir something up. Their desperation is almost palpable. I never thought of this blog as a hate blog. "Haters" is not a word I would use to describe anyone here. Dissenters is a better word. But Kate's fans are craving drama, so they'll take what they can get.
If the few remaining non-fans on Twitter read here, please, please walk away. There is no better way to torment the fans. They will be have complete meltdowns. There will be nothing left for them but Kate.They will lose their minds. It would be such fun to watch their reactions. Even more fun to see the further decline of Kate's Twitter numbers. Please, at least think about it??

Blowing In The Wind said...

Layla said,

"There will be nothing left for them but Kate.They will lose their minds. It would be such fun to watch their reactions."

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They were certainly baiting in desperation yesterday. It's funny to watch. How far will they go to get the 'haters' to respond? I guess when the playground is closed, you have to find another sandbox and swing set. But what else is left for them?

Blowing In The Wind said...

hspncelvis
@EmCr68 @Kateplusmy8 We need to attach a GPS to Kate. Our Kateometer would go off if she's near.

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Doesn't Milo have a twitter alert on her phone that tells her when Kate tweets?

Gilly said...

Over In Kate's County said... 64
I said..."But if there were a cesspool of Kate that targeted Jon, she'd be there in heartbeat!
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lol!! I meant cesspool of "hate," but Kate works just as well!
May 22, 2013 at 4:43 PM

A cesspool of kate could be the name of any of her bogs and twitter feed and stuff or her house and bedroom and any tv or books she does I love it. great wording play

Anonymous said...

DWINDLE said... 17
Hi everyone. This is Dwindle.

OH, yes it is. hehe

Some of you may remember back about 9 months ago when I posted that my son in law was off to Afghanistan. Again. He is a CW4 in the US Army, a Blackhawk Instructor Pilot for his battalion.

Many of you offered such kind words and good wishes which I did send along to my daughter.

About an hour ago she called and she had seen him but not yet hugged him. He is home safe! By the time I am done typing this, he will have turned in his sidearms and other "sensitive items" and there will be lots of huggin' and smoochin' goin' on.

Many thanks to all who sent prayers his way. And special thanks to Dmasy, who has been mailing care packages and other items to him in the sandbox all these many months.
__________________________________________-
Dwindle!!!

So happy to hear about your SIL's return. Hope he gets to stay home for awhile :D

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

smarm·y
/ˈsmärmē/
Adjective
Ingratiating and wheedling in a way that is perceived as insincere or excessive; unctuous.
Synonyms
sycophantic - adulatory - oily - obsequious - fawning
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Without mentioning any names there's a smarmy little tweetie that I'd like to slap up side the head sometimes.

Susie Cincinnati said...

What happened, Milo? Dead battery in your flashlight? You can't see in Kate's windows?

miloandjack
@Kateplusmy8 Splish Splash...did U fall in? Where art thou Kate? #TwitterHideAndSeek :)

Tweet-le (83): Speaking of words...here's a good one for Gladys Kravitz. Nudnik.

Definition: nudnik. n. Slang. An obtuse, boring, or bothersome person; a pest.

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

Susie Cincinnati said... 85
Tweet-le (83): Speaking of words...here's a good one for Gladys Kravitz. Nudnik.

Definition: nudnik. n. Slang. An obtuse, boring, or bothersome person; a pest.
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Perfectomundo! LOL

Sam I Am said...

Can anyone explain why they think Jon was 'bullied' by Kate when they've previously stated they don't think bullying exists between adults?

ExNurse made an excellent point that no one has attempted to explain.

I believe bullying exists EVERYWHERE.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I thought when people were just saying well Jon was bullied by the definition some people are using for grown adults. That's what I mean when I say it, if this is bullying, then that is too.

Personally I think he is a victim of domestic violence, nothing less. He was not bullied, much like most adults he was a grown man who could stop her at any time if he wanted to. He actively chose not to, for various reasons that are not worth going over once again. There was no power imbalance there essential for bullying. He was no higher or lower in ranking than Kate, he was not disabled and he was not her employee, a nerdy child, or anything like that--they were equals. Conversely, domestic violence incidents are still DV even if you can easily walk away and even if you are equals. Even if it only happens once and you run to a shelter right there and then, you are still a DV victim.

Lynne In RI said...

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack 26m
@LanaLanaBobanna Absolutely NOT! I don't go 2that cesspool of hate! It's a faker/imposter if they say they R me! No interest N that site!

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Don't flatter yourself, Milo. No sane person would want to pretend to be you, pose as you, or even want to be you!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I actually believe Milo that it wasn't her however why would she own up to it if it was?

She could easily say oh me that was never me! And then come here anyway. And she's not at all curious who it was and what they said? She didn't check it out? Please.

Anonymous said...

Dwindle --- what wonderful news you have shared with us. I know the entire family is so glad he is back home.

I have similar news about my grandson. His crew returns from Bahrain on 6/1 but he arrives tomorrow on a medical emergency trip. Seems he lost part of a finger going down a ladder stairwell and needs more medical care than he can get there. But he's due for shore duty soon which means he'll be in the continental U.S. I hope your DD & DSIL are close by for you.

Lynn W.

Lynne In RI said...

mrsmcdreamy
@Kateplusmy8 I wondered how pools last in really cold places? Do u drain every yr?

^^^^^^^^^^

They don't last. You fill them in with dirt at the end of the summer and then dig a new one in the spring. It's a little bit expensive, but you do what you have to do.

Geez -- hand meet forehead.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

How pools "last"? What does that mean? The water? Do they think pools are not subject to normal condensation and other factors like other bodies of water?

Pools are not for amateurs that's for sure!

chefsummer #Leh said...

Lynne In RI said... 89
Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack 26m
@LanaLanaBobanna Absolutely NOT! I don't go 2that cesspool of hate! It's a faker/imposter if they say they R me! No interest N that site
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I don't get this Milo claims that she doesn't read here right?

But she reads RWA which is like this site times 10x.

I don't get her.

Lynne In RI said...

How pools "last"? What does that mean? The water? Do they think pools are not subject to normal condensation and other factors like other bodies of water?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The person who tweeted that says that she is a teacher! Oy. You just have to wonder!

"He was not bullied, much like most adults he was a grown man who could stop her at any time if he wanted to. He actively chose not to,"

^^^^^^^^^^^

Would 'emasculated' be a better word?

Sam I am said...

There was no power imbalance there essential for bullying. He was no higher or lower in ranking than Kate, he was not disabled and he was not her employee, a nerdy child, or anything like that--they were equals.


I agree 100%. He had no balls at all. I wonder if he's changed. Doubtful.

localyocul said...

I love Sandie! She's not happy with Milo again..and I bet Irishfan skeeves here out. Sandie was very concerned when Milo seemed to be heading to Kate's on her birhtday....

irishfan @irishfan47 9h
@Kateplusmy8 Evening! Is the pool ready to go? I want to know if I should get my Speedo out of storage...LOL

‏@MiloandJack 9h
@irishfan47 @Kateplusmy8 HaHa...U might want 2rethink that one!

irishfan ‏@irishfan47 9h
@MiloandJack @Kateplusmy8 I don't know; under the right conditions I might be able to pull it off...lol

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack 9h
@irishfan47 @Kateplusmy8 No...me thinks U don't want "to pull it off"! LOL

Sandie ‏@SandieBellz 1h
@MiloandJack @irishfan47 Really? That's funny? Totally inappropriate. @Kateplusmy8

FYI said...

localyocul--Sandie has admitted that she doesn't like irishfan.

Sandie ‏@SandieBellz 7 May
I don't like that Irishfan at all.

Seems like she doesn't like Milo's interaction with irishfan either. Milo once said that she wasn't sure if irishfan was a "hater" or a "fan", but since Kate seems to respond more often to irishfan than she does to Milo, I guess Milo is trying anything she can to get Kate's attention. Unfortunately, for Milo, it's still not working.



Dmasy said...

I think Master Chef is going to have a really good season! I already care about some of those home cooks.

Anonymous said...

I found the following posted by Matt Roloff from TLC's Little People Big World on Facebook. If it happened to the Roloffs there is no doubt in my mind that it happened in the Gosselin world too:



Matt Roloff

In response to many questions/concerns from tonights local Portland New cast story. Amy and I, and our family and friends, have had to endure many ugly death threats and lies written about us over the years. To some extent it "comes with the territory". These typically come from anonymous bullies that live in the shadows behind their real identity .
They are probably nice and kind people when not cowering behind their computers.
Often they write.. hideous, unimaginable things about us, such as raping and beheading my family. .... they build their lies based on previous lies. We rarely know their motivations or degree of their illnesses. We just read their sick and disgusting attempts to garner attention and build their self worth. We want these people to seek the help they need. A recent barrage of death threats to blow up our home and farm and kill all of us has gone to far. These facebook posts, phone call and email threats, combined with other activities (calls and suspicious stalkers) have caused us to engage multiple authorities and agencies at several levels. Being featured on tv does have its drawbacks, but sharing our life story with You and the world is more rewarding. We choose to see the good. Nobody should have the right to threaten to harm and kill another person. Please stand up to evil that's hiding behind their keyboards. When you see it ... refute it. Use kind love language to combat it. Do not speak hate in return or you will become like them. Thanks to you all for your overwhelmingly kind words of love and support.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Good grief Matt that is not "bullying" those are bonafide DEATH THREATS. Let's use our big people words here.

The poor Roloffs! Where the heck did that come from?? They've been off T.V. awhile!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I like Sandie too.

AuntieAnn said...

I agree Dmasy. I didn't think a food-related reality show could make me cry, but I was wrong. Some of the cooks' stories are very moving.

Dmasy said...

Those threats to the Roloff family are horrible. If the Gosselin family received anything even close to that level of hate, I understand getting security.

What I don't understand is why the bodyguard is WITH Kate and not a home with the children.

First line of defense should be the home and the kids -- right?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I haven't been following the Roloffs in awhile. I thought they did that wedding show last summer and are off T.V. again now. Haven't seen a special in awhile. What prompted this, if anything? Or is it just some sociopath out of the blue?

They don't deserve this. But they put their family on T.V. And you have to think about the fact that there are real psychos out there when you choose to put your family on T.V.

Kelly said...

Ah nothing like waking up and reading of the start of the soon-to-be epic battle of Milo and Irishfan. All for the love and honor of the overly-tanned, freshly french manicured paw of KK. Gosh I hope I don't get called in today.

On another topic, maybe someone brought it up before, but does anyone suspect Lana/Lexi as Anonymous on the 22? That one's definitely touring the outer galaxy and I know she reads here and at RWA as well. She could also mock Milo Woof Woof fairly well as I believe they're the two top ranking members of KG Fan Club for Girls. Just a thought.

ThinkJustThink said...

You just don't seem to get the difference between voicing that you don't like someone and what they are doing and running a hate blog against them and stalking them and tracking their every move and on and on, do you?

Kelly said...

"What I don't understand is why the bodyguard is WITH Kate and not at home with the children"
Absolutely spot on Dmasy. In a logical world, the bodyguard should be guarding the "bank". Since this issue clearly wasn't about personal security and fears for the kids, only Kate and keeping the Haterzzz and fans (Milo, Lana/Lexi, Goody and the three others whose names escape me) away, it fits Kate to a T. Like that good bra. Perhaps her breast implants needed security or someone had to be available to empty the janitor's closet at a moments notice. She was, after all, out trying to "feed her kids" or in other (true) words, galavanting around the country in her quest for wanton fame, fortune and celebrity.

I don't care much for Matt Roloff. He has a penchant for lawsuits, even inciting situations for the prospect of bringing suit. Those threats against his family though never ever should have been made or tolerated. I agree though that when you hang your dirty laundry out for the world to dry, expect anything and every stalker/troll/obsessed fan to come for you. Even if it doesn't happen, expect it. Actually a better idea is to never allow cameras into your life when there are minor children involved.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

At first I was wondering why they did an interview why just give the people doing this attention, they probably love that they got attention like this.

Then I kind of get it. They were frustrated that the police hadn't done much more than just circled the property and left. Now the police department is saying that they're taking it very seriously and taking steps to address it. So the interview helped light a fire under their butt.

As much as they chose to be involved in this world, I do think that if someone posts on facebook they want to bomb your house and decapitate you, it is BEYOND ME why you can't get facebook to immediately release all the information they have on that person. Just beyond me. It should not be this hard.

Kelly said...

ThinkJustThink: What? Because if you're referring to this site, I think you'll have PLENTY of well spoken, intelligent people explaining the difference.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Kelly I think Matt might have shades of a "lawsuit chaser." These are real people, I've met some. Basically they go around actively seeking out situations in which they could sue and win a lot of money. They do things like deliberately antagonize people, companies, entities in order to get them to make a misstep so they can sue. Westboros are lawsuit chasers. That's how they make their money. They just patiently wait until some bystander gets ticked off enough to touch them or unlawfully kick them off public property, then they sue.

Even this thing could be part of that, stirring up the pot setting it up that the police aren't doing their jobs, only to sue. Granted it's hard to sue the police but he might not care if it's hard.

I think he's a used car salesman at heart, that's just how he rolls. I do like his family generally. I think they're good people at heart.

PatK said...

I think BV should try and help the Roloffs.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Since I don't consider following someone's public twitter account, appearances, and bogs as "stalking" I'm not sure we're on the same page here. This site doesn't support actual stalking by its legal definition and never has. If Kate is being actually stalked by someone, she can pick up her phone with her pretty little manicured fingertips and dial 9-1-1. She is a big girl. Just like the Roloffs did, they called the police and handled their problems like adults.

Given that many people have legitimately been stalked and say it's petrifying, I think it's disrespectful to them to suggest that Kate is being stalked by this blog.

Kelly said...

Going OT here so skim if you want. Has anyone used whey from yogurt making on garden plants? I know you can (google) but I'm not sure how much to dilute and if it attracts critters (which I'm already contending with minor skirmishes with rabbits, squirrels - there was a squirrel convention near my garden yesterday - or mice/rodents (shudder). If you have used whey, do you dilute and by how much? I have literally gallons of the stuff in my freezer. I've been on a greek yogurt making spree lately.

Kelly said...

I agree with you Admin re Matt and I like his family as well. I don't think I could have handled him as well as Amy has and I think she's put up with a lot of things we'll never (thankfully) know about. I get a bad vibe from Matt. It's not only the lawsuit chasing and drunken driving. I think he could be a nasty one to deal with if things don't go his way. Really nasty. He seemed to be able to snap on his "rational face" better towards the end of their run. I also believe he's forever looking for a new show, because he needs more boy toys and land. But that's only my impression.

chefsummer #Leh said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 113

If Kate is being actually stalked by someone, she can pick up her phone with her pretty little manicured fingertips and dial 9-1-1. She is a big girl
_______

Exactly if Kate was in fear for her safety and for the kids safety.

She would do something real to keep her family safe.

But what does she do?

She has Steve for her so called safety not the kids.

She lets BV and her twitter follower fight her battles.

So she isn't that scared for her family's safety.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I think Matt has always felt he had something to prove. I think he felt like he couldn't be Mr. Nice Guy in business because people wouldn't take him seriously. To some extent, he was probably right about that. He spent a childhood in the hospital, back then parents weren't allowed to camp out there 24/7, that's got to have had a major impact on the person he is today. A close relative of mine spent a few years in the hospital as a teenager due to problems with her spine. She's fine now, but she too is probably the most driven of the family, she started her own business, dumping the product overseas and making a very respectable living. She can be tough. Sometimes sick kids grow into just very ambitious adults who feel they either have something to prove, or have to make up for lost time.

I think though at his age, Matt needs to allow himself to accept that he's made it. He made the big time. He has nothing to prove at this point. He doesn't have to work himself to death anymore. He can relax. I really do like his parents, they seem like good people devoted to their family. He came from a nice family for sure.

I think it is telling that TLC has continued to work with him all this time. He can't be all bad. They made half a dozen or more specials when they've done nothing like that for the Gosselins. We all know that when TLC is done with you, just as many of us predicted years before, they will drop you just like that and if they have to sue you. Let's face it, they dropped Kate the moment they cancelled the show. They never had any intentions of continuing that relationship. I think they threw her a bone about her Twist of Kate show and specials but it was just that, a bone to try to get her to focus on something and leave them alone. So if they're willing to continue to work with Matt, that says something.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

She has a babysitter come watch them while she skips off on her VIP vacations. Just a babysitter. No security, nothing.

I think Kate seems to think the family is fine. You needn't worry! :)

chefsummer #Leh said...
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Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

Jules ‏@thebumpiestpath 18m
@MiloandJack are you behaving woman? :-) 🙈🙉🙊

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack 18m
@thebumpiestpath HaHa...apparently NOT! Someone always finds something abt what I say...what I tweet 2criticize! Sigh..my mouth! :(

Jules ‏@thebumpiestpath 15m
@MiloandJack ppfftttt it's twitter. Just blows raspberries at em! 😉😋

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack 10m
@thebumpiestpath I know..but I get disappointed when its a person I considered friendly..gets offended/picky w/me! I never mean 2offend! :(

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Milo the Martyr is at it again. She sticks her foot in her mouth then cries about it. How many times has she done this????

chefsummer #Leh said...

No Kate said.

"My job as a single providing single parent her safety is important to her 8 kids.

And that's why Steve is all ways with her and not the kids.

-(Here's the show for WWHL)
http://www.tubeplus.me/player/2108777/Watch_What_Happens%3A_Live/season_8/episode_25/Kate_Gosselin_and_Morgan_Fairchild/

Warmth Of The Sun said...

miloandjack
@Kateplusmy8 As a devoted mother I know every task U do...every decision U make...its 4the happiness/secure future of your precious 8! :)

Good lord.

Funny tweet from last night. I read this tweet and thought this was from a fan:

truth_teller201
@magjd7 @MiloandJack @Kateplusmy8 Good grief u nosey busybody! Kate made her own money so go focus on fixing your PATHETIC life! #CooCoo

I thought it was tweeted to Milo and wondered if the sheeple were turning on each other and this person actually called her out for being nosey (sic) busybody. But, alas, it was tweeted about a non-fan and not Milo. Funny how a fan calls out a non-fan for being a busybody, but they can't recognize that the biggest nosy busybody lives within their own flock!

Milo has tried everything to get Kate to respond, even tweeting that she got a bad report from the doctor. Is Kate deliberately ignoring her?

chefsummer #Leh said...

Cristina Rich ‏@Sienna_Star 2h
@Kateplusmy8 What about C&M's night pics??? Can we see their night buddies or r they they too grownup for those pics?

Dutch Tulip said...

Charles Ramsey is getting his burgers!

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/23/18443245-cleveland-hero-charles-ramsey-gets-free-burgers-for-life?lite

localyocul said...

No words.

Kate Gosselin ‏@Kateplusmy8 1h
Check it out! Cute nighty nighty photos here:
http://www.kateplusmy8.com/
They may not be babies anymore, but they are still oh so cute!

Cristina Rich ‏@Sienna_Star 49m
@Kateplusmy8 What about C&M's night pics??? Can we see their night buddies or r they they too grownup for those pics?

Anonymous said...

No words, too. Wow just wow.

Millicent said...

As to Matt of Little People, Big World - I have respect for him and what he has accomplished with his disadvantages in this world. He certainly is a person who doesn't hesitate to go with big ideas, put himself out there and work for what he wants.

But I am not impressed with either Matt or Amy as parents. They have failed their children in some important ways. Amy once said (in a filmed episode) that the reason they became pregnant with their 4th child (Jacob, youngest son) was that they hoped they would have another little person for their older son Zach. That really bothered me. For one thing, don't say that out loud and for posterity on your tv show. How must that make Jacob feel? Gee kid, we really wished you had been a little person, so from the start we felt disappointment? Plus the little guy was always tagging along - he seemed such a lonely, needy kid.

Conversely, they gave so much attention to the older boys, the twins. Jeremy, the golden boy. Matt so obviously lives vicariously through him. However, it appears Jeremy is quite a homophobic racist. His My Space page (as far back as 2008) was filled with the use of the "n" word and other derogatory terms like "faggot" and "beaner." The National Enquirer did an article about it, yet Jeremy never once apologized, nor did his parents say anything either. They don't want anyone to use the word "midget" because they say that's a derogatory term, but their own son says much worse.

So like the Roloffs if you will - but they are not the clean-living, god-fearing family as portrayed on TV. Just like with Kate - most of it is fake. As to why TLC would continue to deal with Matt vs. Kate - I think it's simple. Matt probably doesn't make ridiculous demands, is willing to go along with script ideas, makes himself and his family easily available for filming, etc. Doesn't mean he's a good person, just one who is willing to work for TLC on their terms.

And as to Matt's parents - I learned some time ago that they are "fundies" and apparently made some remarks that would not go over well with the general public. I think that's when TLC sort of cut back on the amount of screen time they had.

chefsummer #Leh said...

localyocul said... 125
Anonymous said... 126

I have words for this.

How about super creepy?
Or.
Kate stop posting photos of your kids?

Look how freak fans are responding.

foxy said...

Did she get fired from The Stir? No blog of her amazingness has been posted and I need inspiration to finish cleaning out a storage shed. Snark!!

Zoe said...

In response to Kelly @ 114 - OT

Just yesterday there was an article about the problem greek yogurt manufacturers are having trying to dispose of the whey waste. It seems like if it could be diluted and used as a fertilizer they would be doing that, so I"m thinking it's not a good idea to try it.

From the article:

"The thin and runny liquid -- which looks like watered down milk -- is roughly as acidic as orange juice and can't just be poured into the ground, creating a waste disposal nightmare for the yogurt industry."

And the link:
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/greek_yogurt_has_toxic_waste_problem_HQbIzHeER9GNEfw27wtPMO

Anonymous said...

Maybe they made her do a new blog about the tornados like she had to do after the Boston tragedy. What will this one be about, how she's sure each and every student felt so robbed of the rest of their school day when the tornado interrupted them?

Formerly Duped said...

Is that recently that the Roloffs had those threats? I know neighbors were annoyed at the traffic caused by the show and their pumpkin/farm tours.Death threats are never warranted even if empty.

I see The Little Couple is back and probably their adopted dwarf child from China will be filmed. I don't care for them too much- they seem privileged and Bill arrogant.

Another dwarf family called the Fooses made two specials and that was it, to raise awareness.

I am tired of seeing 'rich people' on TV despite the odds they face with their physical issues.Not picking on people with dwarfism, just the Roloff post made me think about them all. I liked Amy and Molly, and Jen to some extent, but they all got wealthy off their shows and less real IMO.

PatK said...

How low Kate keeps sinking to drive traffic to her website. She truly has no shame.

Anonymous said...

She's not above baiting and switching and will use her own children as the bait. Bait with the kids then switch to a blurb about buying her book. Why didn't she link directly to the kids' post?? Because then you don't see the book ad.

Millicent said...

Ex Nurse - I am fairly confident that you and I will never agree regarding Jon. But I will still try to address, in some small way, your question.

1. Jon and Kate were married, not co-workers. What occurred between them in that marriage dynamic was, in my opinion, spousal abuse by Kate of Jon. Some people think men cannot be the victims of spousal abuse, but that is not true. It's rare, but it does happen, and I believe it occurred within that marriage. Obviously spousal abuse has the component of bullying, but it's much more than that.

2. A workplace environment is not a marriage. If you are employed somewhere and the situation grows intolerable, you quit. No expensive, messy divorce needed. It's not simple - especially when you need a paycheck, but it is always an option. You can simply not return ever to that office, break off all connections, and your bullying situation is resolved. Within a marriage, that is not an option - divorce, with kids involved, means you still have to deal with your abuser, for many years to come.

Yes, Jon and Kate were both culpable for selling their childrens' privacy rights to TLC. They both profited from those tv contracts. But I do think Jon acted (to the best of his ability at that time) as a buffer between Kate and the children. He's not the brightest bulb in the box; he's essentially a passive individual and easy-going. He made many mistakes. Where you and I differ is that I don't hold his past mistakes against him anymore --- because he seems to be trying to be a better father than he was in the past. He is not actively putting his children on TV; he does not have a public Twitter account where he discusses his children to "fans," and he seems to be living an ordinary, divorced father of 8 life.

Why do you think I should still castigate him for past mistakes? At what point would you say he has done enough to make amends for those mistakes?

This is where you and I differ very fundamentally Ex-Nurse. You seem unable to move beyond Jon's past mistakes. I get the impression that you think, no matter what he has done in the past years, nor what he might do in the coming years, Jon cannot overcome his sins.

So my question is: Is there redemption for past mistakes?

If he continues to lead a private life, be actively involved in his childrens' lives, be a loving father - how many years would have to pass before you would say, "Jon redeemed himself at last."

When I became a parent, one of the things that happened is I was able to forgive my parents for their (relatively few) parenting mistakes. I realized that parenting is one of the hardest jobs anyone could ever do. I question myself often. I try my best but sometimes my best isn't good enough. I only hope my child, if he is critical of some of my parenting decisions, will look back with wiser eyes at some point and say, "the good far outweighed the bad."

That's how I feel about Jon's parenting. I hope this helps clarify why it seems I take his side when people speak critically of him. It's because I believe that overall, Jon's good parenting outweighs his earlier, bad choices.

foxy said...

Millicent 127...what is a "fundie"?

PDMan said...

A "fundie" is slang for a (religious) fundamentalist.

willowmom said...

foxy 136, I Googled the term "fundie"; Google says that it is a way of referring to religious fundamentalists of any denomination.

The Two Often Go Hand in Hand said...

So like the Roloffs if you will - but they are not the clean-living, god-fearing family as portrayed on TV.
**************

There are plenty of homophobic racists among the "god-fearing" population.

Dutch Tulip said...

Millicent said... 135

Good post, totally agree!

Formerly Duped said...

'For anyone that doesn't follow Jacob Roloff's twitter, we thought we'd pass this along. As previous discussions indicate, his public twitter account has generated a lot of attention - sometimes for his rudeness towards fans, his insulting of kids at his school, his tweets about marijuana, his friends behavior/tweets that he likes, or the fact that Jacob has been very vocal about the fact that he despises the show such as posting things like Matt and Amy bribed him to participate in filming by throwing two birthday parties for him - a fake one for the cameras and a real one.' -from Keeping Up With the Roloff Family

Oh no, sounds familiar!

Formerly Duped said...

How nice of Kate to post private photos of her kids in their beds with their stuffed animals.

foxy said...

PDMan and willowmom...thank you. I forgot that google is my friend. I had never heard the term before.







prairiemary said...

Today is both a happy and a sad day for me. My daughter would have been turning 31 years old, had she lived. And it is also 17 years since I came home from the hospital, where I had been for 4 very long and scary months. I always wonder if kate is lying, when she brags about her kids continually singing her praises. My kids love me very much, and were so happy once I began getting better. My oldest was away in another city taking her secondary education, and the others were just 11 and 13. We live in the country, and have a long lane coming into the yard, lined on both sides with beautiful Maple trees. As my husband drove down that long lane, my 13 year old had tied yellow ribbons with yellow balloons on every one of those trees, to welcome me back home. My 11 year old had scrubbed the house until it sparkled, even though the house was just 650 square feet in size. That day they had gone out of their way in welcoming me back home. But not one of them were constantly telling me things like kate says that her kids do. If they told me once that they loved me, and did not repeat it for a few weeks or even months, I still knew that I was loved. Yes on the day I came home they treated me so special, but that was the extent of it, they did not go around praising me for every little thing that I did for them, once I was able to get around. I really don't believe kate is telling us the truth, what with the praises, signs and that special song she said they made up, to sing to her when they FINALLY escaped a visit with their dad. Kids just aren't wired that way. I feel sorry for kate that she is always justifying how the kids are always saying lovey-dovey things to her. Or maybe it is only me that feels this way, and my kids really don't love me that much?

Sam I Am said...

At what point would you say he has done enough to make amends for those mistakes?


I would say when he stops serial dating these young girls who either have kids or don't want kids. Focus on getting his kids away from their evil mother. Fight the invasive picture posting. Stop allowing them to be on camera re: Wife Swap.

Never give up no matter what it takes. Pare your life down so every extra penny can be spent trying to get his kids away from their very damaging mother as much as possible.

Do whatever it takes.

Improbable Dreams said...

Aside from the fact that she's clearly trying to drive traffic to her website (pimping out the cookbook & kids at the same time), it's just plain creepy that she posted bedtime photos of her kids for all the world to ogle! A pedophile's dream.

At the very least, I should think about the fact that those pictures set the tups up for ridicule at school...9-year-olds, cuddling up with stuffed animals at bedtime?

Kate and her minions are probably thinking we're just clucking our tongues 'cause we're prudes like that, but seriously. She has no shame.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

How do you define serial dating? Why would Jon be with someone who doesn't want kids if he has eight of them? They are part of the package.

Unknown said...

Millicent said... 135
''...... He made many mistakes. Where you and I differ is that I don't hold his past mistakes against him anymore --- because he seems to be trying to be a better father than he was in the past. He is not actively putting his children on TV; he does not have a public Twitter account where he discusses his children to "fans," and he seems to be living an ordinary, divorced father of 8 life.''...
''...If he continues to lead a private life, be actively involved in his childrens' lives, be a loving father - how many years would have to pass before you would say, "Jon redeemed himself at last."
~~~~~~~~
Millicent, In the past, I think I've had the same response. I agree with every word, but especially the ones I've quoted. Jon ''redeemed'' himself for me long ago, beginning with his public admission and apology for his past behavior.

Millicent said...

Sam I am said:

I would say when he stops serial dating these young girls who either have kids or don't want kids.
******
I don't know the age of his current girlfriend, but I know she has children of her own and appears to be around Jon's age. They've been together for awhile now - has it been a year perhaps? Before that, he dated Ellen and was with her for quite some time.

I don't consider that serial dating. And as to his current g/f, she has children, and apparently enjoys spending time with both her kids and Jon's. So I guess you're ready to accept that Jon has made amends?

As to your other comments -- that information is not available to us. I'm referring to the Wife Swap show. From what we've gleaned, it sounds like Kate might have done the show without even telling Jon. By the time he found it, it could have all been too late to stop it. As to spending every penny to be with his kids more - well, he and Kate have 50/50 custody. I doubt she'll grant him more, because she'd be afraid that he might request child support from her! And although I think she's an awful parent, the family law judge does not see it that way. So if Jon sought more than 50% and Kate fought it, he would probably lose.

Millicent said...

The Two Often Go Hand in Hand said... 139

So like the Roloffs if you will - but they are not the clean-living, god-fearing family as portrayed on TV.
**************

There are plenty of homophobic racists among the "god-fearing" population.
*******
Yes there are -- but my comment was in response to a specific discussion regarding the Roloffs and their contract with TLC and resulting show.

Sam I Am said...

Everyone is different Remona. My opinion differs vastly. The only reason Jon is 'quiet' today is because no one wanted to hire him for additional television shows.

I believe firmly that he would still be 'out there' if he could have found a new tv deal. He tried to.

OrangeCrusher1 said...

Jon has been involved with Liz for how long now? And before that his last relationship was neither short nor casual. This hardly can be considered serial dating. As said above, it is obvious that there are many ways people here view Jon Gosselin, but at least be honest about the facts.

As for pimping out pictures of your 9 year olds, in nightclothes, in their beds, on the web, I am speechless. This is Milo's definition of a good mother? She is shameless in her relentless pursuit to stay relevant.

Get a job, Kate, or at the very least, just pimp yourself.

Unknown said...

Sam I Am said... 145
...''Never give up no matter what it takes. Pare your life down so every extra penny can be spent trying to get his kids away from their very damaging mother as much as possible.''
~~~~~~~
How do you know that Jon is not doing that very thing?

Millicent said...

Prairie Mary said:
Yes on the day I came home they treated me so special, but that was the extent of it, they did not go around praising me for every little thing that I did for them, once I was able to get around. I really don't believe kate is telling us the truth, what with the praises, signs and that special song she said they made up, to sing to her when they FINALLY escaped a visit with their dad. Kids just aren't wired that way. I feel sorry for kate that she is always justifying how the kids are always saying lovey-dovey things to her. Or maybe it is only me that feels this way, and my kids really don't love me that much?
*****
I agree with you Mary - if Kate's children do continually praise her and tell her they love her, it's only because they have learned that behavior in order to keep their lives somewhat bearable. Normal children do not behave the way Kate describes her children behaving.

Children are essentially selfish. They can be generous at times, and some love hugging and saying "I love you" more than others but mostly they are very absorbed in their own lives. I was that way. I loved my parents and my siblings, but it was more like background noise - always there, but often not actively noticed.

My son expresses affection in ways other than words. Maybe it's when he takes out the trash without being asked; or when he offers me a cookie from the bag he bought on his walk home. I'll take those little gestures, because they mean a lot too :)

Millicent said...

I apologize for using the term "fundie." I participate in another message board where the Duggars are discussed, as well as other fundamentalists and their lifestyles, and it's a term that is used frequently. It was not meant in a derogatory way and I hope I didn't accidentally offend anyone.

chefsummer #Leh said...

Are you f**king kidding me Kate put photo's of the kids in bed with stuffed animals.

First Maddy in hels-(sorry to bring it up. And now the kids in bed with stuff animals?

What the f**k is wrong with this woman that she seeing nothing is wrong with what she's doing.

Anonymous said...

Remona Blue said... 148
Millicent said... 135
''...... He made many mistakes. Where you and I differ is that I don't hold his past mistakes against him anymore --- because he seems to be trying to be a better father than he was in the past. He is not actively putting his children on TV; he does not have a public Twitter account where he discusses his children to "fans," and he seems to be living an ordinary, divorced father of 8 life.''...
''...If he continues to lead a private life, be actively involved in his childrens' lives, be a loving father - how many years would have to pass before you would say, "Jon redeemed himself at last."
~~~~~~~~
Millicent, In the past, I think I've had the same response. I agree with every word, but especially the ones I've quoted. Jon ''redeemed'' himself for me long ago, beginning with his public admission and apology for his past behavior.
*************************
Would that be the public apology with that idio Rabbi Schmuley where he charged admission to hear him confess his sins?

Mel said...

88Focus on getting his kids away from their evil mother. Fight the invasive picture posting. Stop allowing them to be on camera re: Wife Swap.

Never give up no matter what it takes. Pare your life down so every extra penny can be spent trying to get his kids away from their very damaging mother as much as possible. **

How would any of us know that he is NOT doing those things?
We don't know. Nor should we, imo.

Ally said...

Just read the new blog that's up. I'm really confused. What's its purpose. I have chickens!! Great...um so what? I love how she still claims they eat 2 dozen eggs a day. Yeah, ok, sure.
The funniest and craziest thing I have EVER heard her say, "that's why I am known as the baby whisperer"?!? WTF...is she for real. She's a baby whisperer. She loves baby piggies and cuddles and hugs them to sleep! I'm still on the floor laughing...I think I peed my pants on that one. Is she for real? Yet, her children had to beg for a couple fish and a dog, which is only there for one reason, we all know what that is. She admitted on national television that she hates dogs, doesn't want them. Oh, are pigs ok because they don't come into the house? She is way off her rocker. And apparently, everybody has room in their yard to raise chickens! Yep, sure do. My area is not zoned for it and would be asked to get rid of them. I live in a private community with an HOA. Her stairs don't reach the top floor if you catch what I'm saying. OMG. If you want a great laugh, check out that stir blog. Pure comedy.

Mel said...

**I would say when he stops serial dating these young girls ....**

Serial dating seemed to be a problem at first, but not in the last few years.
Again, can't hold the past against him forever.

chefsummer #Leh said...

I find what Kate is doing highly disturbing-(the new pic) and if her sheep are okay with it they are sick.

Sam I Am said...

How would any of us know that he is NOT doing those things?
We don't know. Nor should we, imo.


It's been said that this blog 'knows' he fought the Australia trip. So why wouldn't this blog 'know' he fought the Wife Swap show? Where's the links to court records that he is still fighting for custody? He appears to have given up.

One should never, ever give up fighting for what is right. Especially when it involves one's own children.

If Jon is still dating this current woman, then he is definitely NOT using his resources 100% to fight for his kids. He has EIGHT of them. Kids aren't cheap. IMO, he shouldn't be spending a penny on anything else but his own living expenses. Not his current gf and her kids.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Sam, this blog knows he fought the Australia trip because it was widely reported in the media. Google it.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Sam now you're just making baseless accusations. His girlfriend works. There's no indication Jon is being her sugar daddy. I think she picked the wrong situation if that's what she is looking for. Unless he wants to show us his bank accounts this is really a pointless debate.

So how about what's happening today and those inappropriate pics?

Unknown said...

Anonymous said... 157
''Would that be the public apology with that idio Rabbi Schmuley where he charged admission to hear him confess his sins?
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I'm going to respond to your question even though you think it is fine to be snotty, but not honest enough to choose a name and use it!!
From Jon's twitter:
“On October 13, 2010, I went to court to act in the best interest of
my children- to remove them from television. The judge respectfully
denied my plea, and granted filming rights to their mother. I honor
the judge’s decision, but I do not support it. I will not stop
fighting to remove my children from television. It is not a child’s
job to support themselves, or a lifestyle, they need to be kids. I
would like to apologize to my friends, family, and especially my
children for not taking a stand earlier in my life and not questioning
my decisions to have our lives documented and displayed. I will have
to answer to my children for the rest of my life. I will have to live
with this guilt the rest of my life. I am truly sorry!

PatK said...

How does anyone know if Jon is spending money on his girlfriend's kids? Super psychic powers?

chefsummer #Leh said...

Sam I Am said... 162
How would any of us know that he is NOT doing those things?
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1. Jon not in the public eye like Kate.

Kate is still using her children see twitter see her current website see her blog.

One should never, ever give up fighting for what is right. Especially when it involves one's own children

You don't know if Jon fought or not.

If Jon is still dating this current woman, then he is definitely NOT using his resources 100% to fight for his kids. He has EIGHT of them. Kids aren't cheap. IMO, he shouldn't be spending a penny on anything else but his own living expenses. Not his current gf and her kids.
May 23, 2013 at 2:55 PM

You said it Jon has 8 kids and raising them isn't cheap.

And at least all most 2yrs later he isn't still using them as Kate is.

chefsummer #Leh said...

he shouldn't be spending a penny on anything else but his own living expenses. Not his current gf and her kids.
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Does the same go for Kate who just returned from the derby for 2-3 days with a paid bodyguard?

Ally said...

After reading all your posts here about new pics I went an checked it out. Highly inappropriate. Children in pajamas, in their beds, with stuffed animals?!?
I also found her descriptions below the pics to be equally disturbing. She uses baby talk, "Aa-day", how humiliating. If at the age of nine, my mother posted to the world, where all my peers and schoolmates could see, pictures of me in bed with "childish" comfort items, I would be massively humiliated. It's demeaning to them. Where is their PRIVACY! They also show princess sheets. We are talking about a very tender age. Girls, especially. There are some girls going through puberty at 9! Girls want to be more mature in front of their peers. Exploiting their like of "younger" behaviors is humiliating.

I am pretty angry with those posts. There is also no rhyme or reason for them. She keeps trying to get people to go to her website. Why?! Is it so everyone will see her cook book front and center. She knows people love to see pictures of her kids. That's how she gets them there. Last year, birthday photos were posted on twitter. Now everything is put on her website with a million tweets about new pics of the kids and you need to come to my website to see them. She is using them as a marketing ploy for her cook book. She is very obviously desperate for sales and will exploit them at any cost in hopes of getting more people to purchase this book.

Something tells me, it may not go to press. Thus her desperation this past few weeks.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I'm going to ask us to move on from this line of debate. It's all been hashed out a million times and no one is going to change their minds. Absent any new information it's just getting pointless at this point and just ends up in a flame war. Should some new info become public feel free to resurrect it. I also noticed it tends to happen whenever Kate makes a huge mistake which makes me highly suspicious it's a deflection technique.

Virginia Pen Mom said...

Improbable Dreams said... 146
Aside from the fact that she's clearly trying to drive traffic to her website (pimping out the cookbook & kids at the same time), it's just plain creepy that she posted bedtime photos of her kids for all the world to ogle! A pedophile's dream.

At the very least, I should think about the fact that those pictures set the tups up for ridicule at school...9-year-olds, cuddling up with stuffed animals at bedtime?

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Yes, and referring to them as "nighty night" photos on Twitter is embarrassing. THEY ARE 9 YEARS OLD. Her toddler schtick is getting old and reeks of desperation.

Also, her captions are trying to imitate "Goodnight, Moon." "Goodnight, Moon" is geared to toddlers. Whoa! (Or as Kate recently tweeted, "Woah!"

Virginia Pen Mom said...

Hi, Dwindle! So glad to hear your son-in-law is home. We all appreciate these young men and women's service.

localyocul said...

Ally,

Yes, besides the inappropriateness of children in their beds...the baby talk and stuffed animals again makes them sound like babies. I just started the book written by the mom who lost her three daughters on the Taconic Parkway. Her eldest daughter, the one who called home to say there was something wrong with Aunt Diane, was 8. Each day that summer she went to an enrichment activity, day camp, soccer, and play practice for a community play she was in. These kids are 9 years old with no activities and being treated like toddlers!

Mel said...

** I also noticed it tends to happen whenever Kate makes a huge mistake which makes me highly suspicious it's a deflection technique. **

Bingo. We have a winner!

Mel said...

The latest pics Kate posted of her kids....I don't know if I'd even share those with anyone outside of the parents and maybe the grandparents.

Certainly not with the public.

prairiemary said...

Thank-you Millicent, nice to hear what 'normal' childhood behaviour is from another mother. kate is just so bloody fake as a mother, but just for a minute, I questioned my own children's periodic declarations of love to me, as compared to what she says her kids tell her. It surely is a learned behaviour, from her likely filling their heads, about possibly crying on their shoulders, how hard she has it, as compared to their father. She does it to her few fans as well. kate and her oh, woe is me.

localyocul said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 170
I'm going to ask us to move on from this line of debate.

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Seriously..Kate's pics are much more worthy of discussion. I'm convinced she is remembering the Madly leg pic and hoping to generate some tabloid attention.

Gilly said...

Kinda hope katie gets blasted by the press for making possible pedophile bait public like they busted her for one of the twins sexy pose in high heels but I also hope not because then even more people will see the very private and somewhat embarassing pictues

localyocul said...

Sooo how bout Jodi Arias? The ABC interview was great! And how can she be so calm and chatty waiting for her life to be decided?

Parent In Lancaster County said...

Everyone is different Remona. My opinion differs vastly. The only reason Jon is 'quiet' today is because no one wanted to hire him for additional television shows.

I believe firmly that he would still be 'out there' if he could have found a new tv deal. He tried to.

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You are so wrong there. So very, very wrong.

Taking admin's request and moving on from this debate because I don't want to put out any personal information. I am, however, sick of hearing how Jon doesn't care for his kids, doesn't support his kids, and wants to be back in the spotlight because it's just not true. Period.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I've asked people to move on at various times here. Usually it's about Kate. This time it happens to be about Jon. A dead horse is a dead horse no matter whether it's Kate or Jon.

kris said...

IA, the pics are could be humiliating to the kids. My son is 7. Yes he has 3 stuffed animals that he plays with. He is into the WWE and he wrestles them, lol. Anyhow, whenever any of his buddies come over do you know what he does with them? Puts them in my room so his friends don't see he still has them. That is something he plays with in private. He thinks they're babyish but apparently make good wrestling partners. He would DIE if I took pics of him with them and posted them for the world to see. Shame on her. Even if she wanted to capture this last little bit of time that her kids still enjoy their comfort items, don't post them for the world. What if one still sucked their thumb, would you post that? Of course not...this isn't too far fetched from that.

chefsummer #Leh said...

Virginia Pen Mom said... 171

At the very least, I should think about the fact that those pictures set the tups up for ridicule at school...9-year-olds, cuddling up with stuffed animals at bedtime?
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And this shows that she doesn't care about her children feelings or their right to have privacy.

If Jon or a boyfriend posted photos of her in bed she would be outraged and so would her sheep.

But since it's only the kids her fans don't care in fact they love it.

Call Me Crazy said...

Dwindle - That is wonderful news about your son-in-law.

Lynn W. - I'm so sorry your grandson was injured, but it's great news for you that he will be back in the US soon.

Thanks for sharing, and best wishes to both of you and your families.

Dmasy said...

localyokul, I am reading the same book. Excellent. Jackie Hance has gone through emotional hell and survived. Her story is compelling and heartbreaking.

localyocul said...

Dmasy said... 183
localyokul, I am reading the same book. Excellent. Jackie Hance has gone through emotional hell and survived. Her story is compelling and heartbreaking

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I ordered it for the beach but gave in and started it..I would like to see the HBO documentary but can't find it.

Improbable Dreams said...

I'm deeply upset about these latest pictures!!! I know I'm not alone in this. Is there anyone here that uses Twitter and might be willing to pass along this link to Kate?

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/04/09/kids-photos-facebook-social-media-child-pornography

Shortened with bitly:
http://bit.ly/YMx5A0

"Are there pics of your kids online? Read this"

Executive summary:

•Russ Warner is CEO of a parental control software company
•He says parents should be aware of how their kids share photos and videos online
•He says social media is changing 'the rules of the pornographer's game' and parents need to keep up (SCARY STUFF!!!)

Dmasy said...

locolyocul, here is the link to the HBO documentary.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Trck8tVtYyo

It is in 2 parts. I watched after reading about 3 chapters of the book.

Formerly Duped said...

Despite the positive comments on the bog, I found it too boring to read. I'm an animal lover and enjoy farm tales but this was tedious.I wonder if the Stir is only posting the best comments?

Layla said...

I find it alarming that Kate seems to refuse to allow the 6 to grow up. Little interaction with kids their own age, forcing them to use sippy cups and highchairs far beyond the age they should be used, baby talk, and now the princess sheets and stuffed animals for bedtime. My 3-year-old niece came to visit last weekend, and her favorite toys are her Calico Critters. Just like the 9-year-old Gosselin girls. She brought along her favorite "stuffy" and her own pillow with the Disney Princess pillowcase. Like the G kids. Her mom had to cut her food (again, like the Gosselin kids), but she was able to fix her own plate with a little help (unlike the G kids). No sippy cups and no highchair for her at 3, but the G kids just gave theirs up in the last couple years. She was so independent. She wanted to do everything herself. The comparison is alarming. I felt like she was on the same emotional and developmental level as Kate's "littles", who are 6 years older. There is something so very, very wrong at the G house. Kate seems to be forcing the 6 to act like toddlers, and limiting their social contact to keep them from maturing. What is wrong with her?

localyocul said...

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locolyocul, here is the link to the HBO documentary.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Trck8tVtYyo

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Thank you thank you! I searched Youtube and couldn't find it!

Blowing In The Wind said...

I'm deeply upset about these latest pictures!!! I know I'm not alone in this. Is there anyone here that uses Twitter and might be willing to pass along this link to Kate?

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Why is this any surprise to anyone? Remember the photo of one of the twins in Kate's heels? She saw nothing wrong with that...why would she have a problem tweeting pictures of her kids in bed? She's being doing this since Day One. I have never, nor would I ever in a million years, put any of my kids photos on the internet, not even for family members (I don't have Twitter, FB or any internet-photo sharing service). There are some things that just need to be kept private, and this is one of them.

What in the heck is wrong with this woman? Something is very "off" if she's going to keep these kids in their toddler stage for the rest of their lives. For heaven's sakes, Kate, think about how embarrassed your kids are going to be if they are teased about sleeping with stuffed animals, especially the boys!

Anonymous said...

Improbable Dreams said... 187
I'm deeply upset about these latest pictures!!! I know I'm not alone in this. Is there anyone here that uses Twitter and might be willing to pass along this link to Kate?

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/04/09/kids-photos-facebook-social-media-child-pornography

Shortened with bitly:
http://bit.ly/YMx5A0

"Are there pics of your kids online? Read this"

Executive summary:

•Russ Warner is CEO of a parental control software company
•He says parents should be aware of how their kids share photos and videos online
•He says social media is changing 'the rules of the pornographer's game' and parents need to keep up (SCARY STUFF!!!)

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I'm sorry, but this is ridiculous. There was not anything remotely sexual about those pics. Embarrassing for the kids? Quite possibly. A pedophile might also get off on seeing your kids playing in the park or walking down the street. That doesn't mean you should hide them away from the world.

The article you posted is about kids posting provocative photos of themselves on the Internet, not about parents posting innocent pictures of their children.

Ally said...

Regarding Kate's blog. Did you see how she calls herself the "baby whisperer"? You know, she's like Cesar Milan, don't you know? People come to her from all over the country to help them raise obedient respectful children. She is after all a leading expert in the field of child raising.

Formerly Duped said...

I also think Kate posted the 'nighty night' photos because the kids are changing in appearance and she wants people to recognize/remember them. At least the twins were spared the embarrassment, or us, if Kate posted a bedtime 'selfie!'

Ally said...

You know I checked on twitter just a short time ago. Maybe this was mentioned earlier and I missed it, but I found this exchange from two days ago particularly disturbing.

Irishfan: hellooo, are you out there? :D
Kate: I know I'm somewhere...never anywhere for long...& wishing I were at least 2 if not 3 people. Crazy life = Understatement! How are you?
Irishfan: You know we can fix that math problem 1 can become 2. ;

Overt sexual innuendo. It's creepy and I can't believe she engages in it.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Going back to the Roloffs, I think it's been pretty obvious for awhile now Jacob has struggled the most with their life in the public eye. I don't think it's any coincidence that he was the youngest when this all started. He was just a baby. What was he, seven? His entire life has been about being part of this big filming project and now this is the consequence. I think it's a scary lesson, he really is one of the first in a group of young kids who are part of reality T.V. most of their lives, since reality T.V. didn't really hit it big until he was born. Others in this small group are Dance Moms, the Duggars and of course the Gosselins.

I pretty much agree with what's been said about them however I do disagree that they've been trying to paint some kind of perfect life or something different than reality. Maybe a little bit but not to a point where you could say they were being dishonest. I wasn't interested enough in them to read much about behind the scenes for a long time but even so I could tell just from the show that Matt was a real jerk at times and definitely bossy and controlling, I could tell they were having pretty serious marital problems, I could tell Jacob was struggling and neglected, and I could tell that Jeremy could be a bully, and a host of other unflattering personality quirks. And it was obvious there were more than a few people pissed off at them like at their crowded pumpkin events. That's actually why I kinda liked them, they were a bit more "real" a bit less phony IMO than some of the other cookie cutter offerings from TLC and other networks.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Anonymous, there was nothing sexual about the photos to normal people, just like there was nothing sexual about Mady's legs to normal people, or a kid in a bathtub, or what have you--however forgive me but we have to think like a pedophile here, as nasty as that is. They were in their bedrooms, lying down in bed. From everything I've read about pedophiles, that's ALL it takes.

Jaycee Duggar's captor was getting off on children playing at the park, and dressed in plain clothes pictured in catalogues, and on TLC. Yes, TLC. She writes about it in her book. These people are sick and these people don't think the way normal people think. It was better than Mady's legs, but it's still toying with disaster.

These pictures should be private for this reason and for greater privacy reasons. Especially since they are already so famous, they are probably already on a lot of pedophile's radars, as disgusting as that is. It may take even LESS with them than a normal child for someone to use the images inappropriately. They seemed to be on Blankinship's radar that's for sure.

The more immediate issue probably is the embarrassment, I agree with that. If a kids' nine-year-old friends saw that picture of him with his lovey, he might as well kiss his social life goodbye.

Midnight Madness said...

If Jon or a boyfriend posted photos of her in bed she would be outraged and so would her sheep.

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If Jon would post a picture of the kids in bed the sheeple would be tearing him apart, limb by limb. I remember when he tweeted that he took the twins out for a birthday dinner at the Olive Garden. The fans were all over him. How dare he invade their privacy like that.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Blowing as much as these pics bother me because I worry who could be using them inappropriately, I must confess I'm more concerned right now with what you said about Kate treating them like babies. It's getting absurd at this point. Just absurd. They are NINE. It can't be healthy for them to be treated so much younger than they are. ALL eight of them still want wittle cuddly bears? NONE of them, even if they do want wittle bears, objected to mom taking a picture? At the very least even if you still slept with a lovey at nine, you should be old enough to realize it's getting a bit embarrassing. It can't be good for their social lives if this gets out. And it can't be good to keep reinforcing juvenile behavior, how will they ever learn to be more mature? Kate is turning into everyone's Great Aunt Selma who pinches your cheeks and smother's her "baby" with kisses and gives you a pink bunny suit for Christmas and overall makes it her life's work to mortify you at every turn. Kate, get a freaking grip, woman.

Kate should try nine sometimes. It's a wonderful age. You almost have a mini adult on hand by that point. They are FUN, game for most anything, understand things ALMOST like an adult does, you can have a NORMAL conversation that is not about Dora the Explorer and Thomas the Train, but unlike a teen they still LIKE YOU haha. I'd take a nine year old any day over diapers and late night feedings and screaming. :)

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