Sunday, April 7, 2013

'The People vs. Larry Flynt': Was Falwell bullied and deserved damages for emotional distress, or was it just free speech about a public figure?

'Free speech,' said the Supreme Court in 1988.

What if you said a very famous celebrity likes to sleep with goats? What if you said that celebrity loves hard liquor and is always intoxicated in public? What if you said his first sexual experience was with his own mother?



In 1983, Larry Flynt said all that and more about Jerry Falwell in his magazine Hustler. Falwell sued him for 50 million dollars. What followed was one of the greatest victories for free speech, specifically parodies and criticism involving public figures, ever to come down from the Supreme Court. The decision was unanimous. Said the court, in part:
"Justice Frankfurter put it succinctly in Baumgartner v. United States, 322 U. S. 665, 673-674 (1944), when he said that "[o]ne of the prerogatives of American citizenship is the right to criticize public men and measures." Such criticism, inevitably, will not always be reasoned or moderate; public figures as well as public officials will be subject to "vehement, caustic, and sometimes unpleasantly sharp attacks," New York Times, supra, at 270. " . . .

. . .In the world of debate about public affairs, many things done with motives that are less than admirable are protected by the First Amendment. In Garrison v. Louisiana, 379 U. S. 64 (1964), we held that even when a speaker or writer is motivated by hatred or ill will his expression was protected by the First Amendment: Thus while such a bad motive may be deemed controlling for purposes of tort liability in other areas of the law, we think the First Amendment prohibits such a result in the area of public debate about public figures.
"Debate on public issues will not be uninhibited if the speaker must run the risk that it will be proved in court that he spoke out of hatred; even if he did speak out of hatred, utterances honestly believed contribute to the free interchange of ideas and the ascertainment of truth." Id., at 73."

Falwell and Flynt later became good friends, visiting each other frequently, going on speaking engagements together, and exchanging Christmas cards. In 1998, Flynt apologized for the ad. Falwell leaped to his feet and shook Flynt's hand.

This Oscar-nominated film from 1996 details Falwell's early life through the famous court case and his near assassination. It can be viewed for free and legally from Crackle.com on Youtube.

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Blowing In The Wind said...

The other was a rescue I got at ~1 yr old and even working desensitization she hated it.

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We had a rescue from the shelter. The dog had been found running around on the streets and hiding in a tunnel under a bridge. She was spayed and was wearing a torn collar. She hated the car with a passion. She would bark for an entire trip, sit in the back of the SUV shaking (she was too big for someone to hold the entire trip) and although we tried several times to help her adjust to the ride, she never did. We gave up because the trips (with the constant barking and whining) just weren't pleasant. We didn't want to force her to take that car trip.

I thought perhaps she had been so fearful of the car because she was afraid she was going to be abandoned...that this was what happened with her former owners -- they just dropped her off somewhere. She may have associated abandonment with a car. What a beautiful dog she was -- loved the kids, racing with them around the large property, going for walks...a real family dog. She just collapsed one evening and died in my arms...she was about 17 years old.

TLC stinks said...

I agree, some dogs are skiddish about car riding, thus my Cesar comment, but they aren't born that way. She kind of screwed herself by including that the dog loves to ride with the groomer. So, IMO, it's Kate that instills the aggression in Shoka.

BTW, I have cats now and they have travelled for long trips in our car with no incidents. I've had people point when they spy them enjoying the passing traffic. LOL.

A Pink Straight Jacket For Kate said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 182

Speaking of dogs, foster dog is probably going to get adopted today! We're doing a meet and greet and as long as all goes well she will be welcomed into her new home.

I am happy for her but it was too quick. :-( She was the sweetest.

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Aw.... Best wishes to your foster puppy. May it have a long and happy life with it's new family.

Administrator, I don't know how you do it- but I'm glad you are there for these puppies.



readerlady said...

Drive-by post here.

KK says she's "a finisher". We know, KK. You "finished" your marriage, you've "finished just about every relationship you've ever had in your life, you "finished" your appearance on DWTS, you're "finishing" your "career", and you've been trying to "finish" Jon for some time now. Maybe it's time to QUIT instead?

Dogs and cars -- I've been owned by cats for the last 30 years or so, but we always had dogs (and cats) when I was growing up. The one dog we had the longest (he followed me home from school when I was in the first grade and died the day before I went back to college my sophomore year), Buster, loved to ride in cars. My dad taught nightschool 2 nights a week and Mom would usually take him and then go pick him up later, so she could have the car to run me to wherever I needed to go. All she'd have to do was say "car" and Buster would go get his harness and sit by the door waiting for her. Some dogs don't like cars because the sound hurts their ears. They can hear noises outside the human auditory range, and some engines make a high pitched whine. Others may feel a degree of motion sickness when in the car. With Shoka, though, I'm inclined to agree with the posters that it's KK, rather than the vehicle, that's the problem.

A Pink Straight Jacket For Kate said...

TLC stinks said... 3
I agree, some dogs are skiddish about car riding, thus my Cesar comment, but they aren't born that way. She kind of screwed herself by including that the dog loves to ride with the groomer. So, IMO, it's Kate that instills the aggression in Shoka.

BTW, I have cats now and they have travelled for long trips in our car with no incidents. I've had people point when they spy them enjoying the passing traffic. LOL.

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My two hounds tremble when they go for short trips- grandma's house, or doctor visits.

No long trips yet. The vet recommended doggie tranquilizers if we decide to drive longer distances. I'm not too keen on that idea.

Giving them pills is another issue altogether.

A Pink Straight Jacket For Kate said...

Blowing In The Wind said... 2
The other was a rescue I got at ~1 yr old and even working desensitization she hated it.

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We had a rescue from the shelter. The dog had been found running around on the streets and hiding in a tunnel under a bridge. She was spayed and was wearing a torn collar. She hated the car with a passion. She would bark for an entire trip, sit in the back of the SUV shaking (she was too big for someone to hold the entire trip) and although we tried several times to help her adjust to the ride, she never did. We gave up because the trips (with the constant barking and whining) just weren't pleasant. We didn't want to force her to take that car trip.

I thought perhaps she had been so fearful of the car because she was afraid she was going to be abandoned...that this was what happened with her former owners -- they just dropped her off somewhere. She may have associated abandonment with a car. What a beautiful dog she was -- loved the kids, racing with them around the large property, going for walks...a real family dog. She just collapsed one evening and died in my arms...she was about 17 years old.

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God bless your beautiful furry child.

What is important, is that after you adopted her, she lived the rest of her life with a warm, loving family.

May she rest in peace.

Millicent said...

My first thought was that if she assumes that he was "attempting to shut those cars down for good", wouldn't she be very concerned about Shoka getting off the property and possibly chasing cars on their road? She said he "loves to roam", yet she doesn't really seem all that concerned about his safety at all. I know dogs who have been killed by cars that they chased.

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When I was growing up, we once had a dog that had the bad habit of chasing after cars and bicyclists. We lived out in the country and did not have a 100% fenced in property. None of our other dogs had done such a thing before, so we had no experience trying to change this bad habit. We were unsuccessful and had to find a new home for the dog, because he was a liability risk. One bike rider threatened to sue my parents if our dog chased him.

Rather than keep the dog chained up, my parents decided to find him a home with someone who had a fully fenced yard.

I do feel sorry for Shoka - I think the dog is probably quite unhappy and not well treated. Kate should not own any animals. She doesn't have the disposition for it.

If Shoka should harm someone while he's out loose one day, Kate will be facing a lawsuit. And the person who sues her can do an easy search online to prove that Kate knew her dog had the propensity to get out and "go roaming" and that her dog growled, acted aggressively, etc.

A Pink Straight Jacket For Kate said...

Resident said... 159

Dee, I am actually going to see the Cowsills get inducted into the R.I. Hall of Fame at the end of this month.

I don't get Showtime but that documentary is available for purchase on Amazon.

Thanks for mentioning the Cs here. I have always adored them and their music.

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Wow- that's wonderful :o)
Have a great time!

JoyinVirginia said...

Three Cowsill family documentary sounds very interesting. Thanks for the suggestion Dee!
The film and documentary recommendations and discussion are just one of the things that makes this blog so interesting and entertaining! Thank you Admin for keeping this verandah open! Thanks also to everyone who agates their snacks and rumspringa drinks!

Millicent said...

First post. I just had to bring up a documentary (love any and most all) I recently watched; Family Band, The Cowsills Story. It is
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I don't get Showtime, so I hope this documentary will be available on Netflix sometime soon. I remember the Cowsills - they were a big deal back in the day. I thought they were the most cool family ever. It is mind boggling to think of how much money they made, yet the children had nothing to show for it.

Susie Cincinnati said...

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack 1h
@Kateplusmy8 Wkend coming up..but one last thing all tweeties need 2do..ORDER #LoveIsInTheMix 2day! It's been on ur 2do list..do it now! :)

Is she going to do this every day now until September? Milo still thinks this book will be on the Best Seller list?.

OrangeCrusher1 said...

Susie Cincinnati said... 13
Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack 1h
@Kateplusmy8 Wkend coming up..but one last thing all tweeties need 2do..ORDER #LoveIsInTheMix 2day! It's been on ur 2do list..do it now! :)

Pretty sure all 12 of the tweeties have placed an order by now. The rest of us have better things to do with our time and money.

AussieGoldenLuv said...

Admin 193 ...
Aussie I didn't realize German Shepherds are herders! I've seen herding breeds at the dog park and they actually seem very frustrated and unhappy. Herders I think are intermediate to advanced dogs. You need to know what you are doing.
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GSD are a herding AND guarding breed, as are australian shepherds. You're right, they're not usually appropriate for the novice dog owner. Personalities obviously differ even within a breed, but typically you need to be prepared to provide structure (consistent reasonabl/fair rules, not dictatorship), mental and physical stimulation, and an appropriate channeling/control of both the herding and guarding instincts.

Most of the dogs you see that are so frustrated is because they don't have an outlet for that instinct. And yes, herding dogs certainly DO want to stop motion and round things up in a circle. I just got an older aussie a couple months ago that is littermate to mine that died last fall. Was returned to the breeder, who had just passed away, so I took him as I didn't want him going to rescue. Awesome dog (as was his sister) but he's still learning that when my beagleX are running in big sweeping circles - as hounds do - that he is NOT to stop them, especially by pinning them down with his mouth. :::sigh::: He does love to chase them so I let him play for short periods of time then have him play with me before his herding instinct kicks in from all the motion. The key is to keep them under threshhold, to prevent them from practicing undesirable behavior. So he might separate from the group play or I may have ALL the pups take a brief time out. He's learning. I will be getting him into herding this summer so he can use that engergy more appropriately, and will be learning other sports as well that will work his little brain and help him with overall self control.

Millicent said...

Wanted to add re Family Band: The Cowsills Story - I see it is available on Amazon for about $25. I don't think I want to purchase it - so I'll wait til it's available on Netflix (hopefully soon).

Millicent said...

I have such a soft spot for Australian Shepherds. I worked for a guy who had one, and that dog was a gem. He would bring him into the office on occasion and "Fritz" was a real gentleman. He would come lay by my chair, or follow me if I went to the copy room, etc. I went to a party at my employer's house one time - it was spring and we were all outside. "Fritz" very gently kept trying to herd us together. I would feel him brush against the back of my legs and noticed him doing the same to others - lol!

I was driving on the local freeway one time and saw my employer driving his old truck. And there sitting quietly but proudly in the passenger seat was Fritz, peacefully gazing out the window.

He had a good long life, and it surprises me how much I still miss him and he wasn't even my dog!

Cruisin Just As Fast As She Can Now said...

I remember the Cowsills - they were a big deal back in the day. I thought they were the most cool family ever. It is mind boggling to think of how much money they made, yet the children had nothing to show for it

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I've known John for years -- he's a very talented drummer and vocalist, but right now he desperately needs a haircut! But, that's his style! John's been touring with the Beach Boys for about 13 years. He married Vickie Peterson of the Bangles. Great guy -- very personable and down to earth. He is such a hoot -- so much fun to be around.

Kristine said...


Gosselin Book ‏@GosselinBook 10 Apr
Who does this remind you of? ;)
http://youtu.be/iR0sWU1HzTE


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David Perel David Perel ‏@IMPerel 10 Apr
Thank you #RobertHoffman for this http://bit.ly/OMuxct . Appreciate it.

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(Good Friday morning... Hogs to all! And a Rumspringa kind of shout out, to the Street Team for TCB ;) Long time no post.

I see David Perel, Head of Radar Online is now directing the public on his personal Twitter with links to Robert Hoffman's- GosselinBook.com

Thanks to David at ROL, for spreading the word about Kate Gosselin. April is Child Abuse Awareness month... keep up the good work! @GosselinBook

Admin posted a link to an article I sent her several few months ago, about the professional (or not)tabloid/media circus life behind David Perel. Fascinating read. I'll find it, and post the link later.


Ally said...

Mel 166...
The kids love my new soft side...

Does she even realize that she just admitted that her entire demeanor prior to now was harsh and unpleasant. All the while going on and on forever telling us how much her children love her the way she is, don't like spending time with dad and is so much fun.

Implying that her soft side is new, means that all along she was harsh and mean. Does that not qualify as her admitting she was lying before? How dumb is she?

Tucker's Mom said...

David Perel David Perel ‏@IMPerel 10 Apr
Thank you #RobertHoffman for this http://bit.ly/OMuxct . Appreciate it.

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What is it a picture of? It's just black for me.

Sherry Baby said...

Orange said: "Pretty sure all 12 of the tweeties have placed an order by now. The rest of us have better things to do with our time and money."

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But what about the other 150,000 followers? Where are their orders?

Anonymous said...

Oh, puhlease Khatie Irene, every 2 weeks he only likes your car?

Which one?


To go get water sprayed on him, soaped up, head tethered while strangers lather.

Then, rinsed. And dried.

YOU love that, agree!

Shoka?



Only HE knows

franky

chefsummer #Leh said...

Every dog is different some like cars and some don't.

But let's remember that KK is a lair who like to abuse her pet.

So Shoka maybe scared of Kate.

Ally said...

TLC stinks 177...
I agree totally. My dog, a bischon poodle, will jump like "popcorn" we call it, if he suspects a ride in the car. If a man takes his cell phone, he thinks car ride. With me, a purse or car key. Even my coat. He loves the car. He originally wanted to sit on the drivers lap, we fixed that. He now will sit across my fathers neck with his head on my dads shoulder and watch. He has a sports car so it's easy to climb to that spot in that car. If he sees the weekly dry cleaning pile of shirts moved, he popcorns, thinks its time to go to the dry cleaners! He will also sit for hours on end on the stairs, to watch the cars pass outside. He loves going outside so much, that a 12 lb dog will keep up with a 3 mile run and still has gas in the tank! They are so cute. And yes, Kate is missing the true joy that a pet can bring to someone's life.

Anon Tweeter for Now said...

Admin posted a link to an article I sent her several few months ago, about the professional (or not)tabloid/media circus life behind David Perel. Fascinating read. I'll find it, and post the link later.
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I'd be interested in seeing that article. The little pr*** had me suspended twice. Interesting how a garbage gossip rag mag "exec" is so afraid of free speech especially when what I said was the truth.

FYI said...

Tucker's Mom-the link in David Perel's tweet goes to Robert's blog, where he issue an apology to David for saying that David hadn't tried to contact him.

Scroll down on Robert's site, and you will see the apology.

Sherry Baby said...

Oh, puhlease Khatie Irene, every 2 weeks he only likes your car?

Which one?

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I thought she wrote that he loves the groomer's car and goes every two weeks, not that he likes her car.

Sherry Baby said...

What is it a picture of? It's just black for me.

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The link just took me to Robert's blog.

Tucker's Mom said...

Robert's latest entry reads:
"WHO DOES THIS REMIND YOU OF? ;)"

and there's a black box below it. I was wondering if there's supposed to be a pic in there.

FYI said...

Susie Cincinnati said... 12
Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack 1h
@Kateplusmy8 Wkend coming up..but one last thing all tweeties need 2do..ORDER #LoveIsInTheMix 2day! It's been on ur 2do list..do it now! :)

Is she going to do this every day now until September? Milo still thinks this book will be on the Best Seller list?.
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I think Milo thinks it's now her job to promote Kate's book, especially since Kate doesn't seem to be promoting it.

Milo is the new Cindy Cardella-promoting something so that Kate doesn't have to and it looks like Kate is glad to let her do it. Kate should give Milo a percentage of her royalties for doing her work for her.

The book is still selling for $14.11 on Amazon and B&N. I giggled when I saw "You Save: $8.84 (39%)". They should have knocked it down to $14.07, so the savings would be $8.88! After all, 8 is Kate's favorite number. Wouldn't that have been considered a great marketing ploy?

Although I still don't think the book will sell no matter what the price is. Maybe when it's released as a ebook, they'll list it on their "free" list.

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

Tuckers Mom, there's a video on RH's blog. Some can't see it. I guess it depends on your browser? Anyway it's a clip from "Caddy Shack" of Bill Murray playing with clay figures of rodents and how he's going to obliterate the gopher.

TLC stinks said...

No more Bullyville chatter regarding Kate. #nolawsuit

Unknown said...

Kate is a twit said... 30
''...hey should have knocked it down to $14.07, so the savings would be $8.88! After all, 8 is Kate's favorite number. Wouldn't that have been considered a great marketing ploy?''
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It was a BRILLIANT marketing ploy when Robert's book was sold on Amazon for $8.88. When I first saw the price, I smiled a great big show all my teeth smile! It was perfect!

PDMan said...

Robert's latest entry reads:
"WHO DOES THIS REMIND YOU OF? ;)"

and there's a black box below it. I was wondering if there's supposed to be a pic in there.

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It's a YouTube video - Bill Murray in a scene from "Caddyshack".

FYI said...

Tucker's Mom said... 29
Robert's latest entry reads:
"WHO DOES THIS REMIND YOU OF? ;)"

and there's a black box below it. I was wondering if there's supposed to be a pic in there.
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Tucker's Mom-that black box actually contains a Youtube video clip from the movie Caddyshack. I have no problem viewing it on Robert's site, but I guess you and some others do. Here's is the link to the clip of Youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=iR0sWU1HzTE

Tucker's Mom said...

kateplusmy8
RT @BullyVille: The basic tool for the manipulation of reality is the manipulation of words.
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From the master herself. Now THIS she is good at.

Tucker's Mom said...

TLC stinks said... 32
No more Bullyville chatter regarding Kate. #nolawsuit
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Yes, they are and Kate's retweeting all the "outing" tweets from BV. They promise a big "reveal" on Monday.

Tucker's Mom said...

So what do we think Robert's saying with the YouTube video? And thanks for letting me know what it was... I have trouble viewing YouTube videos. Have to fix that!

TLC stinks said...

What Robert posted is a Bill Murray (aka Carl Spackler) clip from "Caddyshack" (a personal favorite of mine). Carl has fashioned clay rabbits and squirrels (friends of the gopher) so he can use them to entice the gopher and then blow him up.

chefsummer #Leh said...

Happy Grilled Cheese Day! (everyone)

Who wants Pepper jack grill Cheese sandwich.

Susie Cincinnati said...

Does anyone know who this Katie Gosselin is, and why she keeps sending random tweets that show up on Kate's timeline?

Katie Gosselin ‏@kategosselin_ 49m
I can't read about this anymore I'm literally going to throw up everywhere

Katie Gosselin ‏@kategosselin_ 1m
Congrats to my Mom for making it through another tax season! Now go enjoy Florida without me

Katie Gosselin ‏@kategosselin_ 42m
"I've noticed everyone who is for abortion is already born" -Reagan

Katie Gosselin ‏@kategosselin_ 2h
Real breaking news

Katie Gosselin ‏@kategosselin_ 3h
Gosnell makes me sick to my stomach

capecodmama said...

Have to put in my two cents with regard to Shoka and cars. We are on our second german shepard. We got our first GS when he was five years old. A family on the Cape was giving him up. He adored the husband in that family, not so much the wife. The kids didn't seem to spend much time with him. Even though the husband worked full time, he gave the dog alot of attention when he was home. When the husband and wife came to our house to drop him off, the wife informed us that the dog always took off when she let him out. She said he would be gone all day and come home at dinner time. I looked at her and said, "that won't be happening here. I'd be sick if I didn't know where my dog was." We got more information out of them and that's when we found out the wife paid absolutely no attention to the dog. She was the one that wanted to give him up. The poor husband was in tears. We also found out that he was never in the car unless it was go to the vet or to be boarded. (The wife is from Ireland and they went back for three weeks every year.) So needless to say, he hated the car. We tried and tried and tried. He loved the idea of going but once in the car all he did was whine and cry. He made you want to poke your eyes out. We had him for six years before he was diagnosed with congestive heart failure. We loved him to bits and showered him with so much attention. We knew the last six years of his life were wonderful. Oh, he only took off once and we immediately went after him. He realized he didn't need to take off because he got so much attention and he was loved.

Our present GS is eight years old and we've had him since he was eight weeks. He has come with me in the car from the time we got him. When you ask him if he wants to go "bye-byes", get out of the way. He'll knock you on your ass to get outside first. He loves it.

Marie...189 Yes. GS are annoyingly clingy. They are known for being fiercly loyal to their masters. I talked to a woman who volunteered at a shelter and she said that their hearts always sank when a GS came in. Not because of the dogs being nasty but because a GS will go into a depression if they are away from their masters for extended periods. She said it was sad. I know our GS when we used to board him, wouldn't eat, pee or poop. We're only gone for a couple of days but he didn't like it. Because our neighbor volunteered to watch him now when we go away, he's much better. He does eat, pee and poop for her and he's very comfortable with her and her home.

Admin...193 GS were originally bred for herding sheep.

Kate is still a turd and is still boring.

chefsummer #Leh said...

kateplusmy8
RT @BullyVille: The basic tool for the manipulation of reality is the manipulation of words.
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Finally she RT something about herself that real (HAHA).

Anita said...

Although I'm sorry to see her(EM TANNER)go, this is what good Moms do Khate.....
.....i guess that is why i felt i owe every loyal customer/e-friend/etc my true heartfelt THANK YOU FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS, i still love yall (minus Kate bwahahaha…had to..just kidding..kinda)…and give my honest explanation for why i am choosing to end the FuNkY era we will ALWAYS REMEMBER ASSSS….. EMTanner Designs.

xoxo. i heart ya’ll!


http://www.emtannerdesigns.com/blog/2013/04/12/where-i-neeeeed-to-be-right-now/

Susie Cincinnati said...

The book is still selling for $14.11 on Amazon and B&N. I giggled when I saw "You Save: $8.84 (39%)". They should have knocked it down to $14.07, so the savings would be $8.88! After all, 8 is Kate's favorite number. Wouldn't that have been considered a great marketing ploy?

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Did it go up in price? It was at twelve dollars and something yesterday on Amazon.

Tucker's Mom said...

chefsummer said... 40
Happy Grilled Cheese Day! (everyone)

Who wants Pepper jack grill Cheese sandwich.
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Does a quesadilla count? I think I can get DH to make me some tonight ;-)

Lynne In RI said...

Yes, they are and Kate's retweeting all the "outing" tweets from BV. They promise a big "reveal" on Monday.

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Apparently the threat is to go after blog owners. What is with that guy?

AuntieAnn said...

If that bullybuster ever made good on his threat of a class action lawsuit, he'd really be opening a pandora's box for himself and Kate and her supporters. Good luck with that. The court would get an education if they had never seen a TLC episode of Kate in action.

Lynne In RI said...

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack 19m
@Kateplusmy8 Hang in there Kate...U have some beautiful/warm weather coming tomorrow! Spring showers bring.....:)

She really DOES check Kate's daily weather reports. Oh. My. Gosh.

NT said...

According to novelrank Kate's cookbook has sold 32 in April. When you pre-order this book,do you pay for it right away? I wonder how many milo has bought? I say at least 10 to 15.

chefsummer #Leh said...

Tucker's Mom said... 46
chefsummer said... 40
Happy Grilled Cheese Day! (everyone)

Who wants Pepper jack grill Cheese sandwich.
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Does a quesadilla count? I think I can get DH to make me some tonight ;-)
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Yes but only if he makes em with organic cheese. :)

Lynne In RI said...

katesmate ‏@katesmate1 5h
@Kateplusmy8 kate, just wondering why you guys have pumkins everywhere in your houses in the fall???

Are these sheeple for real (I mean really dumb) or do they just play dumb to get a retweet?

Lynne In RI said...

According to novelrank Kate's cookbook has sold 32 in April. When you pre-order this book,do you pay for it right away? I wonder how many milo has bought? I say at least 10 to 15.

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If you wait until a week after release, they'll be selling for $1.99 used on Amazon.

Millicent said...

Re German shepherds - growing up, we had a female GS. We lived in the country and people used to drop their unwanted dogs off up the road - in the cruel and mistaken belief that they could fend for themselves and it was better than taking them to the pound. So one day, my sister went up to the top of the driveway to get our mail and saw a bone-thin GS, obviously very skittish and shy. She coaxed her down the driveway slowly, offering her dry dog food. She wouldn't come close to the house, so we put a bowl of food out for her and some water. She was so skinny!

As the days went by, she became used to us and less skittish. She never growled at us, only cowered those first few days. We named her Lady and she was an absolute wonderful dog. I cannot imagine why anyone would simply abandon her. She was most devoted to my mother and was her shadow anytime my mom was in the yard.

My sister has now had 3 GS dogs. All of them were "given" to her by previous owners. As others have said, these dogs are extremely loyal and are like shadows to their person. Wherever their person is, that's where they want to be, right by their side. None of her dogs have been aggressive, but when young, they are very high energy and most definitely need a good long walk every day, and plenty to keep them occupied.

After her first GS had to be put to sleep at an advanced age, she took in a GS who flunked out of guide dog school. Sadly, that one had poor health and did not live a long life. Her current GS was taken in at a young age from a family that lives near her. They had toddlers and the dog kept accidentally knocking them down due to its high energy. The husband asked my sister if she would take the dog, because he had seen her walking her other GS dogs every day for years and knew she would be a good owner.

Tucker's Mom said...

Regarding Kate's latest The Stir blog about their animals, I really want all to read Robert's account of Shoka and Nala's escape from the property:
"
Nonmember comment from Zelda 23 hours ago
During the Summer of 2009, I was at the Gosselin house alone and standing in the trees outside of the property, working for US Weekly, and I watched as Kate drove down the driveway and through the front gate as “Jon’s dogs,” Shoka and Nala ran out in the street behind her and chased her down the road in full view of Kate. I know she saw them leave the property, because she stopped for a moment in the middle of the road and looked back at them, as if she were actually going to turn around and make sure the family dogs got safely back inside of the electric fence, since the gate was now closed and they were locked out. Then I guess she thought better of it and she drove away, leaving the dogs to fend for themselves along a very well-traveled (since the Gosselins moved in) country road. As I said, the gate had closed behind the dogs and they were scared and confused and behaving erratically once they realized their situation. They were running around on the road in front of the Gosselin’s property coming dangerously close to being hit by cars several times. Hoffman, Robert (2012-09-27). KATE GOSSELIN: HOW SHE FOOLED THE WORLD (Kindle Locations 23771-23777). . Kindle Edition."

It is unimaginable to me that anyone would leave their dogs in harms' way. And Kate just lets Shoka roam free when she knows damn well he could get hit by a car at any time.
Who the hell can look back and see their dog(s) in the middle of a well-traveled road and just take off? I can't fathom that level of disregard for life.

Anonymous said...

At this point, I don't care what either Jon or Kate do, as long as they leave their 8 count 'em 8 kids out of the equation.

How about each of them earning a living without involving the kids? Seriously, Kate's exploitation of her kids has gone on for far too long. By now, she now needs to stand on her own two feet, and support her kids, without EVER using them again.

If she still needs to use her kids, something tells me, she ruined or destroyed every opportuntiyy she has been given, and needs to take 300 steps back, and be grateful for all of the "blessings" she has received.

I really do wish her mother, sisters, or someone could pound an ounce of sense into her bloated head. We all know she listens to no one, unless it involves a show with her kids, but time for her to cut bait, and stop relying on the kids to support her. It is really pathetic at best.

Lynne In RI said...


AuntieAnn said... 48
If that bullybuster ever made good on his threat of a class action lawsuit, he'd really be opening a pandora's box for himself and Kate and her supporters.

There aren't too many people he's not going after right now. I have a feeling he is going to target the wrong person. Milo is praising him up and down, sideways and all around, and if tweeties keep this up (the name-calling and accusations) some of them might be bordering on libel. I think they need to be careful who they accuse of harassing Kate because you're right, that Pandora's box is going to spring open with a vengeance.

Anonymous said...

Katie Gosselin ‏@kategosselin_ 1m
Congrats to my Mom for making it through another tax season! Now go enjoy Florida without me
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There it is. She really needs to listen to someone who knows her SO well for the sake of the kids. Grandparents are put in our lives for a reason. Most have lived longer and know better.

Tucker's Mom said...

. I think they need to be careful who they accuse of harassing Kate because you're right, that Pandora's box is going to spring open with a vengeance.
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I agree. Someone with the right resources just might not like slander and libel and will do something about it.

FYI said...

RIP Jonathan Winters

http://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=802153

Virginia Pen Mom said...

Lynne In RI said... 49
Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack 19m
@Kateplusmy8 Hang in there Kate...U have some beautiful/warm weather coming tomorrow! Spring showers bring.....:)

She really DOES check Kate's daily weather reports. Oh. My. Gosh.

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WHO does this?! That is one outrageous level of obsession.

It brings to mind the poster who said a while ago that she thinks Milo invents K+8 storyboard ideas in her mind. She questions Kate relentlessly because she's "watching" fantasy episodes of Kate+8 each day and needs to be able to follow the plot. Milo even "suggests" plot twists. Talk about interactive reality TV! Learning the next day's weather would help with the plot, I'd think.

"On tomorrow's episode of Kate+8: heavy storms force Kate to drive the children to school in the rain..."

Of course in Milo's episodes, she also gets to view Kate with wine in the bath, getting ready for bed with her "hot" bod and gorgeous hair. Now that I've grossed you all out... : )

Anonymous said...

Could be wrong, but the Twitter people often go overboard, on both ends.

The 8 Count 'em 8 kids have been put through enough. In spite of what anyone who cares thinks, M & C probably know what is going on with J & K twitter war, and I feel terrible for both of them. Tweens talk... period.

LaLaLandNoMore said...

I watched the J & K show when they were getting the new puppies. The dogs were bought for "ratings" and to attract true dog lovers. Shoka is still around in order for Kate to save face with the fans. The fact that she insisted on naming them herself was a huge turn-off to me. Burned me up that Jon allowed it. All the grifting will continue. All we can hope for is that the companies she is trying to use have had enough of Kate and realize that giving to her and her 8 is not worth it. When I find out a company is still being taken by her, I don't buy that product. Kate doesn't care how she is perceived by anyone. She has no self-awareness and has no shame with her grifting. Ever hear of her giving back without getting something out of it? Taker from way back fits that one.

Best wishes to all. Taking a break, getting ready to move out of state closer to family. Can't wait!

Lynne In RI said...

♡sarah♡ ‏@sarahlamdinxo 6m
Kate Gosselin is such a hot mom and with 10 kids damn

Gotta love those faithful die-hard fans! How old are the younger two kids now, and when are their birthdays? Are they twins?

A Pink Straight Jacket For Kate said...

Kate is a twit said... 60

RIP Jonathan Winters

http://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=802153

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Aw... how sad. May he rest in peace.

Anyone remember, "It's A Mad, Mad, Mad World"?
Jonathan Winters was so funny in that movie.

Susie Cincinnati said...

There it is. She really needs to listen to someone who knows her SO well for the sake of the kids. Grandparents are put in our lives for a reason. Most have lived longer and know better.

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Anonymous -- this wasn't tweeted by Kate, but by Katie Gosselin (??) who is on Kate's timeline.

FYI said...

Pink-I loved him in "It's a Mad, Mad, Mad World". He was also great when he played Mork and Mindy's son. He and Robin Williams always cracked me up.

Anonymous said...

Susie Cincinnati said... 66
There it is. She really needs to listen to someone who knows her SO well for the sake of the kids. Grandparents are put in our lives for a reason. Most have lived longer and know better.

&&&&&

Anonymous -- this wasn't tweeted by Kate, but by Katie Gosselin (??) who is on Kate's timeline.
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Thanks Susie. And with this comment, taking a break from this crazy fisaco. The kids clearly deserve better from both of their parents. I do stand by my comment that Kate needs to consult with her family, (friends?) who know her well, for some mature guidance( if she will ever call her family and ask for advice. Not likely to happen, and the kids miss out on the this. Sad.

A Pink Straight Jacket For Kate said...

Kate is a twit said... 67

Pink-I loved him in "It's a Mad, Mad, Mad World". He was also great when he played Mork and Mindy's son. He and Robin Williams always cracked me up.

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OMG- that's right! I forgot about that.
He was so funny being their big baby in the show :o)

NJGal51 said...

@Kateplusmy8: I second that sweet sentiment..I wish I could hug/tell my grandpa just 1 more time how much I love him! And my grandma 2!
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We've often heard Kate talk about how much she loved her grandpa. Why doesn't she allow her kids the chance to even know their grandparents? Is it because Kate is afraid that they might pick them over her?

Anonymous said...

I know, I spelled fiasco wrong.

FYI said...

Why does Kate keep retweeting platitudes that describe her to a tee?

kateplusmy8
RT @BullyVille: Why be fake? In the end, the truth comes out and when that happens, you’ll be standing alone.

Ellasmum said...

I bet Milo checks the weather in Reading and Kate's horoscope every day. It's very odd.

OrangeCrusher1 said...

Kate, who never, ever talks about her parents, does mention her grandparents every now and then (usually in trying to turn attention from someone who has suffered a loss back to HER). Perhaps they were the loving and affectionate part of her childhood that she lost too soon. My sense is that her parents, especially her quite young mother, were anything but that.

gotyournumberKate said...

Kate is a twit said... 72
Why does Kate keep retweeting platitudes that describe her to a tee?

kateplusmy8
RT @BullyVille: Why be fake? In the end, the truth comes out and when that happens, you’ll be standing alone.

Ever hear that saying "you are what you hate"? I've thought this applied to Kate many times based on things she's tweeted.

Unknown said...

Ellasmum said... 73
''I bet Milo checks the weather in Reading and Kate's horoscope every day. It's very odd.''
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I have bookmarked the weather in the state/town of my Granddaughter/Great-Grandaughter. In my mind it is a way of keeping close to me the ones I love. In that context, I don't think it's odd. (Or is it?) In any case, they are family, while KK is NOT Milo's family. That IS odd.

FYI said...

Is Barb Gilmer trying to one-up Milo? Now she's tweeting and telling the tweeties to buy Kate's book, BUT she also included the link to Kate's website.

barbgilmer
Love is in the mix! Have you ordered yours? Lets show our support for @kateplusmy8 Ø=ÞGo to http://t.co/BczVfEtr5A(preview) :)

Kate just retweeted Barb's tweet, but not Milo's. Aw, poor Milo-neglected again.

fidosmommy said...

Berks Neighbor said... 198
Kate tweets about 'working' from her 'desk' at 'home'. She's been doing this for a while now and I believe it's because she wants to be able to claim a part of her home as a business/self employment deduction.

She can actually deduct a part of her heating/electric bill, phone bill, and more by whatever percent of her home is being used as her office.



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I've only read as far as the above post, so maybe someone else has addressed this.

You can ONLY claim tax deduction on use of your house as work space IF it is not used for anything else. No TV, no bed, no treadmill, no nothing that is not office related. The IRS started cracking down on this a few years ago. My only office is in my house, but I can't claim the electricity, heat, etc. I use in there because I also have my exercise equipment and my personal files in there. All I can claim is office purchases, supplies, work phone.

I suspect Kate's office is in her bedroom, which, of course serves as her sleeping space and her personal spa for massages.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Fido they are relaxing the home office rules. I'm pretty sure you can have other things in the room, you just can't claim that portion of the room if you do. The only portion you can claim is the portion used exclusively for business. I've heard some people will literally claim the square footage of their desk. As long as you don't do anything else at that desk but your business, you're okay. IF you think about it this makes sense because this makes it more fair to people who can't afford to actually have a separate room just for the office, they can carve out a space anywhere in the house and still claim it. I'm sure plenty of small businesses are run just room a desk set up in the bedroom or living room or something. It's not fair they can't claim that area when someone wealthier can afford a room dedicated to the enterprise.

However if you're going to claim a home office it's really better to have a professional help with it just to make sure everything is accurate.

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

I'm sure Kate thinks she can claim whatever she wants. If the IRS goes after her, she'll sick BV on them.

fidosmommy said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 77
Fido they are relaxing the home office rules

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Wow, that was a quick re-think. It wasn't more than 5 or 6 years ago that we got warnings to be
very careful not to have any personal items in the home workspace, which for me was a room that was set up for me as an office. I see your point, and I'm glad to see it changing. Thanks, Admin.

AuntieAnn said...

OrangeCrusher1 said... 74

Kate, who never, ever talks about her parents, does mention her grandparents every now and then (usually in trying to turn attention from someone who has suffered a loss back to HER).

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She spoke very kindly of her grandmother in her journal. She said she was the "perfect example of love unconditionally". I'm surprised Kate is even aware there is such a thing as unconditional love.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Fido yes I look at other's weather too...but FAMILY, like you said. It does make me feel closer to know whether the weather is hot, cold, wet, dry. Weird, huh? But like you said that's just it we're doing it for those we love. It's not normal in the context Milo does it. But then it just makes me think she's doing it for the same reasons, to feel closer, and that's weird.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Ever hear that saying "you are what you hate"? I've thought this applied to Kate many times based on things she's tweeted.

&&&

I agree with this. I think she overcompensates and has such over the top vileness. Most people would say well okay it's true fake people will end up standing alone probably, fair statement. She takes it to this whole other nasty visceral level when she talks about what she doesn't like. I think she is more aware of herself then she lets on sometimes. And I think she thinks that if she retweets it enough there's no way anyone would suspect she could be what she hates, right?

This phenomenon can be seen best I think with teen daughters and their mothers. They will hate certain things about their mothers and yet they will often be just like them. It's kind of funny.

Orange I think she mentions her grandfather because he's dead and can't contradict her. And I bet he was a supportive guy and didn't crack down on her antics because that's how many grandparents are. They don't see their role as a parenting one.

It really is okay for grandparents to just be the child's friend when that might not work as a parent. I think that's why so many people say they love being grandparents, it's all fun and none of the work. But as a child you can't mistake that unconditional support for thinking that if they were your PARENT they would act the exact same way and it's just your parents who don't understand or support you.....that may not be the case if the shoe were on the other foot and they had to parent your ungrateful a&& :).

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Well in her case she probably claims the whole house and grounds as the "office" since her work is her life and her life is her work or some such nonsense she said once.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Oh no! What if BV outs the IRS?

What if the IRS has already been outed as his name is Sam?

Over And Out said...

Goody is on her usual hateful ranting binges against Jon. That is one messed up fan. Now she's claiming to have videos and documentation to show that Jon is the "ex from hell" and custodial visits with him should be supervised.

Wouldn't you be so embarrassed to have fans like this who go on these tirades....and for what? How is bashing Jon going to get the networks to sit up and notice Kate? How is pounding him to the ground going to do anything for Kate's "career" that she thinks will be resuscitated?

gotyournumberKate said...

Admin,

It's the same as some of the Republicans and Preachers who scream how vile homosexuality is only to be caught playing footsies in a public restroom or with male prostitutes. Kate, the biggest bully of all, screams how much she depises bullies. Makes me laugh at the irony of it all. She is what she hates. lol

Over And Out said...

Kate tweeted a photo of the potato soup she made for supper,. and here come the tweeties. That didn't take long...

Laura Plaisance ‏@cajun_lou 17m
@Kateplusmy8 recipe for the cream of potato/bacon soup

Laura Plaisance ‏@cajun_lou 23m
@Kateplusmy8 Kate give me recipes PLEASE


And of course, Milo, who will continue to plug this best seller for the next five months:

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack 5m
@Kateplusmy8 For many years 2come...ur kids will talk abt #MomsHomeCookin...ur leaving quite a legacy 4them...this cookbk a treasure! :)

Milo continues her digs at Jon:

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack 8m
@msgoody2shoes21 @Kateplusmy8 I hope Kate has secured other good male role models 4her boys! Having male parts does NOT make a man!

Improbable Dreams said...

Whoa, Nellie. This makes me physically ill.


#MiloandJack #Kateplusmy8 I hope Kate has secured other good male role models 4her boys! Having male parts does NOT make a man!

@XXXXXXXXXX @kateplusmy8 K8 needs to take direct action against Milo on this. K8 if you do nothing about this you have crossed the line

FYI said...

Admin-if the IRS forces Kate to pay taxes, isn't that a form of bullying. Making her do something she doesn't want to do?

fidosmommy said...

Fido yes I look at other's weather too.
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I don't. I guess you're talking to someone else? 'ZOk, Admin. I lose track of who said what too!

fidosmommy said...

....hate certain things about their mothers and yet they will often be just like them.

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GUILTY. Unyielding and controlling would describe both Mom and me. I am very proud and pleased to say I noticed it in myself about 20 years ago and have made some serious changes in those areas. I NEEDED to make changes in those areas.

My sister had some of those tendencies, too. Whenever my brother in law had enough, he would call my sister by my mother's name. That usually snapped her out of it.

Warmth Of The Sun said...

Milo's clone from Atlanta ordered nine books and Milo probably ordered 8 (have to keep it in the EIGHTS), so that accounts for 17 of the pre-ordered books. This has to be humiliating for Kate.

Warmth Of The Sun said...

Whoa, Nellie. This makes me physically ill.

#MiloandJack #Kateplusmy8 I hope Kate has secured other good male role models 4her boys! Having male parts does NOT make a man!

@XXXXXXXXXX @kateplusmy8 K8 needs to take direct action against Milo on this. K8 if you do nothing about this you have crossed the line

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Both she and the Goody person delete their tweets. I hope someone got a shot of these before they do that. The Goody tweeter is really seething with hate. I wonder what could have happened in her life to make her attack men. I would hope that Jon has her on a security watch list, because this has gone too far.

Unknown said...

fidosmommy said... 92
''Fido yes I look at other's weather too.''
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''I don't. I guess you're talking to someone else? 'ZOk, Admin. I lose track of who said what too!''
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I was the one that said I have my granddaughter/greatgrandaughter weather bookmarked because I somehow feel closer to those I love

Moon Over Miami said...

MiloandJack
@msgoody2shoes21 @Kateplusmy8 U know I thought when Kate 4gave the CS pymts he would be so happy 2b out fr that stress& would be nice 2Kate!

MiloandJack
@msgoody2shoes21 @Kateplusmy8 I was wrong 2think that! Instead he has come out even more mean-spiritied..uncooperative! Sad thanks she gets!

How is Jon being mean-spirited and uncooperative? Does Milo peer through his windows, too?

AuntieAnn said...

Lynne In RI said... 57
I think they need to be careful who they accuse of harassing Kate because you're right, that Pandora's box is going to spring open with a vengeance.

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It'll be referenced as "Pot v. Kettle, 2013"

Unknown said...

Over And Out said... 87
''Goody is on her usual hateful ranting binges against Jon. That is one messed up fan. Now she's claiming to have videos and documentation to show that Jon is the "ex from hell" and custodial visits with him should be supervised.''
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I'm not any kind of ''insider'', but I am positive of one thing. IF Goody had videos and documentation that would prove Jon should have only supervised visits with his children, she would have given it to KK in a nano second, and KK would have it in the hands of a Judge within minutes.

Obviously KK hasn't gotten supervised visits for Jon, therefore.........KK has been reduced to linking up w/Bv and begging Hailey for help.

Lynne In RI said...

Does anyone understand this? Paige said she just ordered the cookbook, but if it's not coming out until September, does she think she's going to get it now?

Paige C ‏@Paige_Kate8fan 5m
@MiloandJack @kateplusmy8 Ik I don't have a job so I was going to wait because it doesn't come out until sept anyways but I can't wait!

Unknown said...

Moon Over Miami said... 96
''How is Jon being mean-spirited and uncooperative? Does Milo peer through his windows, too?''
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I was wondering the same thing. My best guess is that they're discussing the supposed texts that Hailey made up as though it just happened. That seems strange, but I can't figure out what else they could be talking about.

Unless they're saying that Jon is being mean-spirited and uncooperative because he won't let KK move to California, taking the children with her?

Moon Over Miami said...

I was wondering the same thing. My best guess is that they're discussing the supposed texts that Hailey made up as though it just happened. That seems strange, but I can't figure out what else they could be talking about.

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But those texts were from 2009. Milo says that you'd think Jon would fall down and worship on bended knee because Kate relieved him of support.

Moreover, she's still claiming that he can't move on. What has he done in recent times to discredit Kate that shows he can't move on? When was the last time Jon threw Kate under the bus?

Goody wants justice because she and her father are distressed. Are these people serious?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Fido, I read awhile back that what was happening is the home office rules were getting so strict people were too afraid to even take them and that's not right. In 2013 they are doing a whole new system, I think it's some kind of flat rate thing. It's supposed to make it less likely to be audited. I haven't had a chance to look at exactly how the rules will work but it sounds MUCH simpler.

But you can never have a treadmill and the office and write off the square footage of the treadmill. But you can write off the space for the desk next to it.

Like I said before, this is much more friendlier to people with lower incomes who are cramming home offices anywhere they can fit.

fidosmommy said...

Thanks for the IRS/home office info, Admin. They take the scare out of the rule just in time for me to retire! ;-)

Mrs. Malaprop said...

"Where's Mrs. Malaprop?" you ask? Here I am! (Big wave!). I quit reading here for quite awhile when I went back to work full time, but recently I've popped back in to see what you all have been discussing. How nice to see you asked about me Admin! (And yes, we still have Moses the kitty! Lol)

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Gotyournumber, yes! Great analogy.

Kate is the proverbial preacher caught playing footsie with a gay man.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I cannot believe a fan thinks they have a right to try to interfere with someone's visitation. That's just insane. Why don't these fans think Kate can't handle this on her own? Do they think she's helpless? She can't march herself down to court herself and request monitored visits? In their rabid quest to "help" her they make her look like she's not capable of taking care of herself.

Not only are Jon's visits unmonitored but his girlfriend is allowed to be around them, which is a much easier order to get (i.e. no significant others are to be there on visits). You know if Kate had anything on him she would be running to court with it. She's got nothing. In three years she's got nothing.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Mrs. Malaprop is here!

Any good ones for us?

Unknown said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 107
''I cannot believe a fan thinks they have a right to try to interfere with someone's visitation. That's just insane.''
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No kidding! Not only insane, but delusional as well. She just said that ''anyone can see that Jon has a behavior disorder and doesn't know how to move forward.'' Now how on earth can she ''see'' that when Jon has remained silent? (Thank goodness)

They MUST be talking about the 2009 stuff as though it were going on right now, since KK (and Hailey) are making it public.

I don't know why I'm trying to apply any kind of logical thinking or normal behavior to KK and her fans! No wonder we can't figure out what the hell they're talking about!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

it's very strange to see someone talking about something that happened in 2009 as if it were today. I think that's why so many of us just can't grasp this. It would be strange to see someone talking about an incident in 2012 frankly.

I think most people who are healthy and grounded are able to move past things pretty quickly. I'm not sure how you have a happy life if you can't accept that bad things happen, people disappoint you, and people make mistakes, but you have to move on from them and not live in the past. If they keep happening that's another matter but nothing like this ever happened again that WE know of. This is more imagined than real. I feel bad for anyone continually harassed about a nasty divorce in which both parties were pretty bitter. But this divorce was nothing compared to others.

For example, Kate improperly withdrew money from their account too, this was documented in the media, however I can't remember the last time this was brought up here. Ages ago. I get it, there was a dispute about money. Welcome to divorce. It's not something weird or unique. But for Jon's part in the improper withdrawal this is brought up over and over and over as if it happened yesterday.

Meagler said...

great catch to the person up thread who commented about kate's bog that she isnt beyond trickery when it comes to her pets, and the recent comments about Shoka looking a tad different then previously but after there was a concern about him being very ill after eating the dead animal.

Hmmm, wonder if there was trickery there. Very interesting! I believe she can not keep things secret and somehow always needs to get it out there.

her BV retweets, some of those links lead to very nasty looking pictures. One for sure was R rated. She has young kids on her twitter feed. I would recommend she think twice about retweeting them :(

fidosmommy said...

Admin, I haven't been reading the Hailey stuff so I ask this from pure ignorance. Do you think any of these people believe this IS current, and not from 2009?
It just does seem so odd to contemporise things from years ago. I'm not saying this well...




Ingrid said...

xxxxxxx
@Kateplusmy8 Looks delish! I wish you would write a cookbook... you always had neat ideas on your show, why not put them in print. :)
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Most of the 150K followers are clueless.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Fido, you make a good point. I'm not sure which one you mean, but maybe 2009 IS current to some people. They don't see it as "ages ago." Again, therapy would help with that, with dealing with bad things and moving on. Or, maybe they are confused and think these texts just happened.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

That reminds me remember when Kate said on Wife Swap (filmed in October 2012) that they got divorced in 2011? Like, she thinks she divorced a year ago? I think that's how her mind thinks.

It was 2009. 2009.

I've never been divorced but how do you forget the year you were divorced?

fidosmommy said...

That's what I was getting at, Admin. A few might be confused and think it is current. Maybe yes, maybe no. It's all so bizarre to me.

Unknown said...

The one that I quoted was that two shoes person, who Robert called ''lunatic fan'' in his book. She has been around a long time, which is why I called her delusional. I can't explain why she said, ''anyone can see that Jon has a behavior disorder and doesn't know how to move forward.''

I've come to the conclusion that the die-hard KK fans will say anything at all, attack anyone at all, if they believe it is what KK wants them to say. Just think about Milo and the outrageous things she says.

Against CyberVigiliantism said...

Article on cybervigilantism, in regards to the young woman who was raped and then killed herself in halifax.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/04/12/anonymous-to-the-rescue-in-canada-rape-case.html

"Justice Minister Landry said he understands that people want action, but vigilantism isn't the answer: "What type of society is it that doesn't allow a person to be presumed innocent? If [Anonymous] is wrong, they just create another victim."

The above comment is in regards to "dox"ing someone who may be innocent. Hmmm didnt bullyville do that?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I actually kind of admire the passion for causes that seem to go unnoticed. I'd like to see someone galvanize something regarding that school principal in PA who didn't report child abuse. However I don't always agree with the tactics or understand the importance of something they insist is important. Reasonable minds can disagree the best strategy to approach something bothering you I suppose.

Millicent said...

It seems to me that Kate's few but fervent fans seem to all have a problem with reality. Milo is clearly not "normal." There is simply no way that woman (or man?) is operating with a full deck. Milo is obsessed with Kate's looks and I agree with the poster who said perhaps Milo makes up whole scenarios in her head about what Kate is doing, what's she's cooking, etc. I think Milo pretends she is Kate, and that's why she's always asking for details, to help her flesh out her own fantasy world. It's both disturbing and sad.

Then there's Paige. Another sad one. She too has this imaginary version of Kate in her mind - the best mother, a noble, self-sacrificing woman who does it all and manages to drive a sporty car and have a perfect manicure at the same time. It's fantasy-land.

I think some women identify with Kate because they've been left by their husbands, who quite possibly really are complete jerks. All the anger and hatred they feel for their ex's gets transferred over to Jon. It's like a wound that has festered and become infected - they just go in circles, repeating the same old tired complaints over and over again like it happened yesterday. That's because they are living in the past, just like Kate, and cannot move on.

It must be awful to be the sort of person who hangs on relentlessly to old hurts and bitterness. Not to mention, exhausting.

Vanessa said...

This is a quote giving substance to to what we all are observing re: her "just recent" divorce- "Narcissists are often vindictive and they often stalk and harass. They hold grudges indefinitely.
They rarely forget a slight or an insult - real or imagined. They nurture the pain, dwell on it, magnify it, analyze it, and form conspiracy theories to explain it.
The narcissist perceives every disagreement let alone criticism as nothing short of a THREAT."

She will NEVER move on, NEVER.

Virginia Pen Mom said...

Vanessa said... 121

"Narcissists are often vindictive and they often stalk and harass. They hold grudges indefinitely.
They rarely forget a slight or an insult - real or imagined. They nurture the pain, dwell on it, magnify it, analyze it, and form conspiracy theories to explain it.
The narcissist perceives every disagreement let alone criticism as nothing short of a THREAT."

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My aunt, the raging narcissist, is making my mom's and my life hell right now. I'm seeing all of what Vanessa said in a frightening way.

Until this blog, I never even knew what my aunt had. I just thought she was "difficult."

I'm asking those here who have more experience with narcissists than I do: how do you deal with a narcissist who feels they've been wronged--even though my grandmother's will is clear that my mom is to inherit everything in the house they shared?

My aunt is bullying my mom and me. She is a terror and brutal verbally. I've been firm but not ugly and have stood up to her, but I don't live there and can't be there all the time.

You can't reason with her. She imagines all kinds of conspiracy theories just as it says above. She lies and steals. And she is assassinating my character to others (but fortunately for me, she has a reputation.)

My mom is very meek as well as disabled and has been bullied by her sister her whole life. My aunt is now bullying me but also my 20-something daughter, who's helping us get my mom moved out.

I'm getting very concerned for my mom's mental health. I'm trying to get my mom moved in with us months ahead of schedule for her own protection. Any suggestions or tips, anyone? Are there any diffusion techniques for dealing with a raging narcissist?

I loathe this "woman" and "her" entire brand! said...

$5 will buy you 1000 fans on twitter! There's a story on the CBS This Morning News this morning. More than half of Justin Bieber's 30 million fans are fake! Certain words can capture you as a twitter fan. Twitter and facebook are trying to crack down on all the fakes. They said higher number of "fans" can give you better placement on search engines and such. More than 20 companies are providers of fake friends and it's getting harder to tell the real ones from the fake ones. Anyway- wonder why I thought about Khate with this story? hmmm.....

capecodmama said...

It's going to be interesting to see what Kate's fans say about the kids if/when they decide to come forward and tell what it was like with Kate as a mother. And what will be said about the kids if/when they decide to tell what it was like with Jon.

Mel said...

It's very odd on twitter. The people that tweet things about "I watched jon/kate episodes all easter break" for example. You see a lot of that kind of comment from randon non-regulars.

If you look at their tl's, they don't seem to be regularly tweeting celebrities, and appear not have tweeted Kate before. They seem from their tweeting history to be unaware of Kate.

And then out of the blue here comes a random tweet about Kate.

Makes me wonder if either they're getting paid for the tweet somehow, or if their accounts are hijacked.

Mrs. Malaprop said...

Well, just yesterday I made my own malapropism I was talking to a co-worker and said, "Boy! If that happens I'll really be up a tree." She thought about that for a second then said, "Don't you mean up a creek?" Yes. Yes, I did! Ha!

After a quick google search I found these gems - Ron Pickering (British sports commentator) said "He's going up and down like a metronome." And Thomas Manino (Boston mayor) said, "He's a man of great statue."

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

Mel said... 125
It's very odd on twitter. The people that tweet things about "I watched jon/kate episodes all easter break" for example. You see a lot of that kind of comment from randon non-regulars.

If you look at their tl's, they don't seem to be regularly tweeting celebrities, and appear not have tweeted Kate before. They seem from their tweeting history to be unaware of Kate.

And then out of the blue here comes a random tweet about Kate.

Makes me wonder if either they're getting paid for the tweet somehow, or if their accounts are hijacked.
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Here' a perfect example of what you're talking about:

James Werner ‏@JamesWerner3 10m
@Kateplusmy8 have to post pics when done Kate

This guy has 124 tweets and 99.9% of them are about politics. No tweets to celebrities.



Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Virginia I am so sorry to hear that. I'm not sure I have any good ideas for you but maybe others will. I'm not sure there is anyway to deal with these people that I've found except to get away. Get far, far away. That quote from yesterday about fake people is true of N, at the end of the day they too will be standing alone.

On a side note I see that as one of the few good things that has come out of the children being exploited. So many people have identified and better understood other people in their lives and stopped blaming themselves for their behavior.

Mel said...

A lot of them, their tweets are between them and their friends. People they know personally.

Would be interesting to know what that's about.

Must be something to do with the phrase 'Easter break'. That seems to be the commonality.

And now the word 'lego'.

Tucker's Mom said...

Mrs. Malaprop said... 126
Well, just yesterday I made my own malapropism I was talking to a co-worker and said, "Boy! If that happens I'll really be up a tree." She thought about that for a second then said, "Don't you mean up a creek?" Yes. Yes, I did! Ha!
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Just don't get stuck up a tree without a paddle!

Dmasy said...

Mrs. Malaprop...I missed you!

I don't know what life would be like if I woke up facing each day as if it was a back alley brawl. Kate is throwing punches indiscriminately and encouraging her band of heroes to ambush others.

What a dark and nasty way to approach a Spring day. Any energy invested in such rancid behavior is wasted. Just wasted time that could be used for quality family nurturing.

What does she hope to accomplish for herself or for her children?

Vanessa said...

Virginia said " Are there any diffusion techniques for dealing with a raging narcissist? "
Firs off, so sorry for you and especially your mom :( At least you can leave.
My advice from my own experience is to just agree, be complacent, don't do anything to stir it up...(by no means be a victim, you KNOW in your head you're dealing with a crazy person) get the best legal advice you can AND GET YOUR MOM AND YOURSELF AS FAR AWAY AS POSSIBLE FROM HER! You will NEVER "get" her, you will NEVER win,there will never be a truce or an enlightenment on her part, even when faced with LEGAL PROOF that the will is FAIR. She will never see it through a "normal" person's eyes. Concede that you will never have a good healthy relationship and sever all ties. All the best to you and your family.:)

Mrs. Malaprop said...

Tucker's mom : Just don't get stuck up a tree without a paddle!
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Ha ha!

Dmasy, aww thank you. : )

Vanessa said...

Millicent said "I think some women identify with Kate because they've been left by their husbands, who quite possibly really are complete jerks." I think that is true for a teeny tiny percentage of her "fans", I am positive the majority are EXACTLY like her. It justifies "their" (sorry for the quotations:) behaviour, "their" poor mothering etc...deep deep down in that souless heart of hers (khate) KNOWS there is something wrong with her. She'll NEVER try and search for reasons why, or try and better herself (narcissists CAN'T learn)so that little voice deep deep DEEP inside her is muffled and gagged.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Vanessa I think she knows too but I can't articulate why I think that.

When everyone leaves them or gets pushed away eventually I think they do know deep down it's them. And at a certain point doesn't that just tear them up inside? Or is that the difference, it doesn't hurt them? In other words do they have that moment where they break down and realize it's me, it's me who is the problem. I am the common denominator. But they just won't or can't change it.

Over And Out said...

It's very odd on twitter. The people that tweet things about "I watched jon/kate episodes all easter break" for example. You see a lot of that kind of comment from randon non-regulars.

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Aren't those Twitterbots? I remember that right before CWS, there was a multitude of tweets from random people, and they all contained the keywords, "so excited." Who hires them, and who pays for them?

"The one that I quoted was that two shoes person, who Robert called ''lunatic fan'' in his book. She has been around a long time, which is why I called her delusional. I can't explain why she said, ''anyone can see that Jon has a behavior disorder and doesn't know how to move forward.'' '"

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If ever there was a case of pot meeting kettle that was it. She can't let this go, and every so often she goes off on a rage and lets loose on Jon. With that one, it's more than a behavior disorder...she appears to be one deeply disturbed individual.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Dmasy in fairness she's actually only tweeting about the boys' new legos this AM and appears to not be on much. I hope that means she's playing with them and forgetting about narcissistic ad hominem rampages on twitter. I wonder what the occasion was for such a nice gift in the middle of April. And she didn't even tweet lego when she said it lol.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

The week of CWS this blog was flooded with spam. Flooded. It was bizarre.

I don't understand bots.

Vanessa said...

@ Admin 135,
They are the masters of decepetion. They mimick what we, the "sane" (well, most of us;)"feel". When she had her "meltdown" on DWTS, when she had her meltdown in the skyfall, when she had her meltdown in the limo...etc. she's ACTING and she's trying to suck in the "victim" by trying to win sympathy. If they truely came to the realization that it's THEM, why is it that their WHOLE LIVES follow this pattern? I'm sure she has good days, we saw them, but it's very 'rare' and only when there's something in it for her, otherwise WATCH OUT. Her blogs are her trying to be like everyone else, but she fails miserably because she's NOT like everyone else. Plus, how do you ever ever win when in HER head it's EVERYONE ELSE who has a problem, not her?

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

Admin said...I wonder what the occasion was for such a nice gift in the middle of April. And she didn't even tweet lego when she said it lol.
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I think it's one of 3 things: early birthday gifts from a fan;

or Kate bought them as a bribe to keep them home from seeing Jon;

or Kate bought them to show the kids Kate's the good mom and buys the toys, Jon's bad because he can't afford 3 big Lego sets.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

If it's just a gift for no reason I don't understand that. It makes them sound spoiled.

I suppose it could be a reward for good grades or something. I hope it was not something for nothing.

Tucker's Mom said...

On a side note I see that as one of the few good things that has come out of the children being exploited. So many people have identified and better understood other people in their lives and stopped blaming themselves for their behavior.
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I've gleaned a great deal from reading on various sites. It does help to understand difficult past relationships that always had me off kilter and sometimes questioning myself.

Winsomeone said...

"or Kate bought them as a bribe to keep them home from seeing Jon;"

I don't understand how custody works in PA. Where I live, if a parent has custody time with a child, they go with that parent period..the child, or other parent can't just claim the child doesn't want to go. The order is from the court, and is to be complied with period.

Sherry Baby said...

Goody wants justice because she and her father are distressed. Are these people serious?

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Did her father pass away a few years ago? Is she suing on behalf of him?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Off topic, this is a really interesting story. A high school teacher gave a persuasive writing assignment to argue that Jews are evil using rationale from Nazi propaganda.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/12/us/new-york-nazi-assignment/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

What strikes me the most interesting about it is that one-third of the students wouldn't participate in the assignment their teacher gave them. Even if they failed, they weren't going to do it.

Whether or not you feel the assignment was inappropriate, I'm very proud of those students for standing up for themselves when they truly felt it wasn't right. Now this is something worth standing up for. This is what we're trying to teach kids, recognize when something is TRULY wrong, TRULY worth fighting for, and fight it with maturity and grace.

It's not easy standing up to a teacher, I can imagine at that age I would be scared to do that. Good for them. And they accomplished this all through proper channels, by calmly and politely reporting their concerns to the school and asking the school to take action, which they have.

Tucker, if people could take away one thing from what you said and this saga I hope it is, "it's them, not you." If people can at least get to that point, they are way ahead of the game with their N.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Winsome that's true here too but if the other parent is trying to be patient and understanding and says well that's okay they don't have to come this time I won't put up a fuss, the court will never know. This happens a lot with parents just trying to keep things smooth and not feel like they're forcing their kids to do something they don't want to do. However I would usually never recommend this because psychologists have even said more often than not it spirals out of control so that the kid (and the other parent) feels like they can call the shots, manipulate things, and never learn to deal with how things are going to be now, which usually isn't a good thing at this age. I know plenty of psychologists who say the opposite. It's not something there's agreement on. The moral of the story is divorce stinks, and being a child of divorce stinks even more.

Lila said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 114
Fido, you make a good point. I'm not sure which one you mean, but maybe 2009 IS current to some people. They don't see it as "ages ago." Again, therapy would help with that, with dealing with bad things and moving on. Or, maybe they are confused and think these texts just happened.

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Would you agree, then, that many of your regulars need therapy to help move on? There are constant references here to events that happened 5+ years ago.

Tucker's Mom said...

Vanessa said... 132
Virginia said " Are there any diffusion techniques for dealing with a raging narcissist? "
Firs off, so sorry for you and especially your mom :( At least you can leave.
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Well said Vanessa, and I too am sorry for what you are dealing with, Virginia.
I know it breaks social mores to disown family, especially older generations, but it's something to consider.
There is no finish line; that will always be something as elusive as the horizon, which is an ever changing distant point which you never meet.
I hope you and your mother can find acceptance and mourn the sadness of the reality of the person whom you have both loved. You're not losing the person whom you've always wished her to be, you're losing the person that she is.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Would you agree, then, that many of your regulars need therapy to help move on? There are constant references here to events that happened 5+ years ago.

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No, I wouldn't because it is continuing today. It's not a case where nothing is happening today and things brought up five years ago keep being brought up. It's a case where bad behavior is continuing, in 2013, day after day after day, exploitation is continuing this very month with the cookbook, last month with CWS, and the past informs the present. Therein lies the difference.

If nothing were happening today, both parents were quiet, just living their lives, and not doing anything cringe worthy, I would agree therapy is warranted.

Vanessa said...

She bought the lego and posted about it because she's playing good mommy today. You can bet she's made some snide remark or a big rule about them.

Silimom said...

I think there are some people who watched her TLC shows and believed they were watching a documentary, not a scripted reality show. I think they were impressed with this woman trying to raise 8 kids the best she could and could forgive her OCD, stressed out behavior. Who wouldn't be stressed with 8 little kids? All in all, she seemed to be holding it together.

A lot of people don't dig beneath the surface and question what they see. Most of us here have said they initially liked this family and watching the show. But we noticed that something didn't seem right. We started to question that OCD stressed out behavior. Then the insiders (Jodi's sister, etc.) started talking and then Dana Hoffman's blogs got shared beyond the local level and we all know here the story went from there.

Kate is good at telling people what they want to hear. She's good at keeping up appearances. We'll see how far it gets her. I think it's telling that, as Robert Hoffman pointed out, Radar is the only one picking this up really. Not like in the days when US and People had covers of her every other week it seemed. More and more, Kate is hearing "Kate who?"

To be irrelevant is the worst thing anyone could ever do to Kate. That is why she still Tweets. She needs that audience. Not just craves but truly needs it to feel validated. For all her claims of being a strong, independent woman she really is desperately insecure. It's quite sad actually.

Despite everything, I really hope Kate can and will change someday for her kids sakes.

Pa Dutch Mom said...

Chesca ‏@Cesca135 3h
@Kateplusmy8 hey kate, just wondering if you still go to church ? and if so what type of christian are you ?

I'd like to hear the answer to that one! lol!!

So Kate isn't tweeting about lacrosse today, and that she needs to bundle up?

NJGal51 said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 141
If it's just a gift for no reason I don't understand that. It makes them sound spoiled.
I suppose it could be a reward for good grades or something. I hope it was not something for nothing.
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Sometimes parents buy their kids something "just because". I bought mine "something for nothing" more than once.

NJGal51 said...

The Lego sets that the boys got might have been left over Christmas presents. Se didn't say "I bought my boys" she said "my boys each got".

You all know that I'm not a Kate fan but I still buy mine something because I think he might like it and he's grown. So that's something for nothing but why not!

Children First said...

MiloandJack
@Kateplusmy8 And btw...when was the last time I told U...having YOU as a friend makes me a #Winner! :)

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24/7? I'm sure Milo is never going to let Kate forget that Kate is Milo's best friend forever (even though she never met her).

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

True, if any kids deserve a gift just because it's these boys. Poor kids.

Mel said...

I don't want to hijack a thread, but ladies (and gentlemen), question for y'all...I'd be interested in hearing what you think.

I'm an admin person, with 6 managers I receive work from, 72 people I support, and a director that I report to.

The company hired a new manager 3 weeks ago. I was tasked with getting the new guy up to speed.

He's treating me like a good ole boy. He said the director of hr 'has no humor. And needs a lot of kissing, if you know what I mean.'
He said that he 'thinks she wants me' about the director of Quality.
He doesn't like the project manager director because it seems like he's probably gay.
And on and on.

He blatantly ogles the women's butts after they walk past him. He said I better go with him if he has any meetings with this one skimpily dressed blonde woman, because he couldn't be trusted to be in a meeting alone with her.

When I said he should choose some framed art work from the catalog, and I would order it for him, he said he wanted one with the scantily clad woman laying back on the carpet.

When he got out of the large meeting that I arranged for him to meet the staff...all he could say was that the one woman laughed once at his jokes, and the other woman was 'cold'.

And on and on. Every day there's some sexual remark made. Not about me, but to me. Why in the world he thinks this is ok is beyond me. I'm a nice lady, and I radiate that.

Since he's a manager, and I'm not, I don't feel safe telling him to stop. I HAVE said things, like 'you can't talk like that at work', and 'would you stop'. Or 'you might have noticed that we're a pretty professional office.' I haven't said it in a really stern way, but I HAVE said it. Can you tell that I'm a weenie?

And I have certainly indicated with body language that I'm unhappy when a sexual remark is made. I don't make eye contact, keep on working, make phone calls, send emails, etc. I don't go into his office anymore, ever. I leave my desk if he stays at mine too long. I scowl when sexual remarks are made, and turn away, or act like I completely didn't hear it.

At first I was open and friendly, buying into the kidding around. After the first week the comments started adding up; I realized that this isn't funny anymore.

I DID laugh at first. I WAS engaging in the kidding around. But then I realized that it was crossing the line. One or two remarks at first, when he's nervous. Ok, I don't like it, but will live with it. But it hasn't stopped. And it's so blatant.

I feel guilty that I didn't confront him after the first week, but he's my manager and I was afraid to. And the director was out of town after that, so I couldn't talk with him about it. HR is worthless.

I was all set to sit the guy down this 3rd week and say, 'look, this has to stop.' But then when I saw him stalking the blonde woman, and blatantly ogling another woman, I realized that saying anything isn't going to do any good whatsoever. It's more than just me.

So, my question is: I have a meeting with the director on Monday. I'm going to tell him everything. The sexual remarks, the working from home thing...which is against company policy, coming in late/leaving early but putting 8 hours on his timecard, sleeping thru meetings.

What can I reasonably expect? My personal feeling is this guy should be walked out the door based on the sexual comments made to me.

But are they just going to tell him to stop, and that will be the end of it? And he'll continue ogling and stalking?

What do you guys think? What can I reasonably expect to happen?

I'm scared. I'm afraid to say anything. I'm afraid NOT to say anything. What if they blame me for not confronting him?

Children First said...

MsGoody2Shoes21 ‏@msgoody2shoes21 4h
@JacquieSpalding @Kateplusmy8 Haters want to have a say in Kate's life. Will never happwb.

And Two Shoes wants a say in Jon's life, telling him (and Kate) that he should have supervised visits. Robert, in his book, really had this one pegged.

DENISE ‏@Mydmaxx 1h
@Kateplusmy8 GM. Did you remind them it's sat..They could sleep in a little! Looks like they are too excited to do that. Lol.

If nine-year-olds and twelve-year-olds don't know what day of the week it is, there's something wrong. REMIND them? Geez...

Children First said...

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack 42m

@Kateplusmy8 U will never fail with us tweeties N ur corner. U go 4 high goals 'cause we've got ur back! Have another successful day! :)

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Milo -- how much did the fans help her when her clothes line failed, when the show was cancelled, when her cookbook was dumped, when the cruise never happened, when CC fired her, when the Twist of Kate thing never made it off the ground, when she did that horrible dancing on DWTS and was eliminated?

I don't know how she tweets this nonsense with a straight face.

Anonymous said...

Mel,
You will need to first tell the manager that you do not appreciate his tone nor topic of conversation when he acts inappropriately.
In addition you need to go directly to HR and inform them of what you said to the manager and what he has said.

There-by you have officially covered your own backside.

Good luck. Inter-office politics suck, but you have to do what you need to. When it doubt, refer to your company's employee handbook and speak to HR.

Unknown said...

In honor of Mrs. Malaprop's return, I will repeat one of my child's, when telling her father about watching in sex education class ''the complete birth of a child! Even when they cut the extension cord''!!

Tucker's Mom said...

Mel said... 157
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Document EVERYTHING. If you haven't started, write anything and everything you can remember.
Tell HR and I hope they have a zero tolerance policy and a backbone.
This is over the top sexual harassment and beyond the pale.
This man is creating a hostile work environment, and forgive yourself for laughing and cajoling at first. You sound polite and professional and don't want to make waves, but this guy leaves no options.
Good luck and I really hope this resolves for you. What a shitty thing to look forward to every work day! Ugh!

NJGal51 said...

Actually I just had my annual sexual harassment training (government employee) and since you've told him to stop and he hasn't it is now sexual harassment. If this were a government job you'd be able to report him to EEO for his behavior with no reprucissions. If he continues to do it after management tells him to stop that's a lawsuit waiting to happen.

By telling him that he can't talk like that at work or telling him to stop you've already confronted him as much as you need to. It's up to him to listen.

You've probably heard that its almost impossible to fire a government employee (true) but time card fraud is one thing that won't be tolerated. That is one of the biggest issues with Internal Review

If you report all of this and he takes action against you, you can sue and you will probably win. I assure you that others have seen the behavior that you're talking about.

Millicent said...

Mel - I agree that this new manager is a real problem, and that the director should be alerted to the problem. I have no idea how your director will respond. Sometimes people don't want to hear it, so they will brush it off and think negatively of the person who told them the bad news (unfair, but it happens). Other times, they take the matter seriously and will do their own follow up. I hope your director is the type that would make the second choice.

If nothing is done, eventually your company will have a sexual harassment suit on their hands, which they will lose. That's the bottom line. Usually the higher ups at least focus on the bottom line and may take action for that reason.

I haven't dealt with high level sexism or harassment, but I've dealt with it on the small scale. I've said, "I do not appreciate that level of talk. This is a business setting and that is completely inappropriate. If you talk like that to me again, I'm going to report you to so and so." I think this guy is a bully - and it comes out in this way.

Millicent said...

Read Em Tanner's long rambling explanation of why she's shutting down. Whew Em! How about some paragraphs, and punctuation? LOL. It was hard to read.

Still, I am glad she's making a decision that I believe will be of benefit to her family and her. Family is the most important thing, and our children grow up so fast. My son will graduate high school in 3 years and likely be off to college. I chose to scale down to 3/4 time work about a year ago, and it was the best decision I ever made.

Good luck Em, with all that you do.

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

Mel, you may want to advise him via email that you will not tolerate any kind of sexual harassment and name a couple of his remarks as examples. That eliminates the he said, she said that may arise if situation is handled verbally. People don't like things being written down for others to see if the need arises.

pym said...

Mel, that's a tricky place you're in all right.

I would recommend that you organize your thoughts and go into the meeting with your notes.

First ask the director for direction as to how to proceed since you and the offender are on unequal footing in the organization. When you just dump out all your concerns in a jumble the listener wonders 'what are you asking for?' Get that said up front.

Have any others expressed an opinion about his behaviour? There's strength in numbers.

Stress how his behaviour has a negative effect on the organization. No matter how friendly your relationship with director may be, his/her focus will be on the well being of the structure as a whole and the ability to carry out its function.

Hope this helps. Good luck.

fidosmommy said...

Mel, your story is eerily like one an old friend told me in the early 2000's. What she ended up doing out of sheer desperation was to place a tape recorder on her desk. When Mr Sexist Man came by for a chat like that, she turned it on and said, "I'll have this typed up and ready for your signature by 5:00."

I realize that might not work for you, but the point was her job was to type up stuff for the salaried staff and she used that to her advantage. Take it for whatever it's worth.

AMD said...

Hmmmm......Tweet much?

Frequent texters tend to be shallow, research suggests.
..Those who text 100+ times a day more interested in wealth and image, psychologists say...
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/story/2013/04/11/mb-texting-shallow-morality-research-university-winnipeg.html

mim said...

Mel, the advice to go to HR first is correct. HR will bring in the director or anyone else who needs to be informed.
Do not send him an email "putting him on notice." This is all on HR now. You need to document what you've done, and any conversations you have to have with him while you're waiting for HR to act. Then turn over your notes, and walk away and let them handle it.
You are right, he is wrong, and you don't have to the the one administering any discipline or advice.
If they DON'T act on your complaints, then YOU have a case. But do let them know what's going on. More than likely, he's gone.

Mrs. Malaprop said...

Oh dear Mel! I don't have any good advice for you, but I also work with a co-worker who loves to make sexual jokes. I was the newbie, so at first I sort of played along like you. Now, I think he's weird, immature, and creepy. His latest "joke" is that we had a substitute in our building. (He's a teacher & I'm a school-based SLP). The female sub said that he looked familiar to her. His reply was, "Do you watch porn?" Implying that he's in porn movies. Ugh. Just yesterday he brought that joke up again, and I told him that he's going to turn into "that guy" who everyone thinks is a creep. He shrugged it off and said he only makes those jokes after gauging a person. Yeah right. One day some woman is going to nail his ass to the wall. Oh, and at the beginning of the year he was reading 50 Shades. At. School.

AMD said...

I found this article on "divorcing yourself emotionally" most helpful at a time when I was dealing with someone who I had come to realize was a bully and was having a profoundly negative impact on my daily life.
http://www.ivillage.com/forums/node/107487113
It might help those dealing with narcissists or bullies.

lukebandit said...

I have the perfect show for kate.

American Greed.

She would be a hit on that show!

They would start with her childhood, where she grew up, how she acted and wanted to be a mother. Then in her late teens saw how the couples that were having HOM were getting all the attention and free gifts and help.

Then she had to find someone to carry out her plan. A doctor would of been perfect, but a rich doctor's son would do. Close, but no Cigar.

They get married. You could tell Jon really loved kate. kate had sneaky plans. She overstimulated her ovaries, bought the meds and shots overseas and had sent to her. Got twins.

Not enough.

She tries again. Crying that she has trouble getting pregnant, even though she had aborted a child when she was 17.

Jon's father's cash and fertility treatments and her meds from overseas gets her 6 babies at one time. Jackpot!

They are born. Her father, a pastor, he and his church worked very hard to get together many things to help them out. Even 6 cribs, they didn't match, kate refused them. She took all the gently used clothes to the consignment shop and all the clothes donated to her and Jon for money. It would of been very nice to have those cribs all sanded down and painted with each childs name and a balloon and an animal.

They all had to be brand new!

Jon is trying to work at work but kate forces him and puts so much pressure on him to troll the internet for companies to ask or tell their story to get more free things. This is the reason why he was fired. I think kate got wind that he was going to be fired and just told him to quit because she needed him at home to help, even though she had tons of help.

Bella Bars, Scott Paper Towels, Harry & David, Juicy Juice, Kerig, Croc shoes, the list goes on and on.

The deceit with kate and her bodyguard.

The churches tour. Jon and kate were getting 4 to 5K for an appearance fee. Then JMC came into kates life right at the right time. They sent sorry folks letters to the churches that they had booked and told them that they were scaling back because of the children.

Then went immediately to churches that were paying 25K a show. Plus the 20 dollar cash picture. I have often thought of that. It was easier to handle the 20 dollar bills. 25 in a stack is 500. I wonder how many stacks she actually got. Tax free.

And not to forget the LOVE OFFERING! They probably made 40 to 50K per church and they did a lot of them.

Now they are divorced, kate has not worked but 1 time in 18 months, but she has 3 cars. I for the kids, and 2 sports cars. Just got a new Fiat or Audi. They were living in the million dollar house when they were crying poor to the churches that they had to dig through the sofa for change for the mortgage. Not gas, lights, the Mortgage!

I can just hear Stacy Keach say her name. kate Gosselin.

American Greed.

lukebandit said...

Just watched Good Times and it reminded me of when James was killed off the show. Florida, when she heard of James death didn't react like the kids did. She just went thru the motions at the reception after the funeral.

Then after everyone had left, Florida started cleaning up in the kitchen putting things away. The kids were in the bedroom. Then she grabs the big glass punchbowl.

She picks it up and then it hits her. She slams it into the floor and with all her might she screams, Damn, Damn, DAMN! And breaks down. Then the kids come rushing out and they all hug each other.

This reminds me so much of kate. I can see her grab one of the golden platters that her fans, corporate supporters, church goers, unspent money on the kids and sports, pick it up and smash it in the floor and do what Florida did when she FINALLY BREAKS AND SNAPS!

I think that Florida (Ester Rolle) should of won an Emmy just on that performance!
She won an Emmy in 1979 for Summer of my German Soldier.

Meagler said...

I would have liked to say that kate bought the boys the Lego's because she knows they love them so, and wanted to say " Thanks" for being such good kids who help her out a lot around the house and she just loves them so...

But , sadly, her Kate speak, which someone else also caught upthread is " the boys received", so she didnt get those lego sets for them..someone else did.

I am kind of glad that other people are trying to throw some sunshine into those boys lifes. I know that kate loves them, I just dont think kate knows how to parent boys. She wants them to be " men" and has that hardened vision of " boys dont cry, boys dont experience pain, boys work hard in the yard, etc)

Kate always appeared to me as everything is gender specific. For other people.

Remember how jon use to have to help Kate buy her clothing because she wasnt very good at it.

Hmmm maybe THATS why we saw such a change in kate's style when jon left. He was buying her clothes as a classic, sexy momma.... she missed out on the classy when she went solo on her buying sprees! Just MHO...

PatK said...

I have to wonder if Milo has had training as a motivational speaker. I can picture her living in a van down by the river.

Meagler said...

ok, I am going to snark on Kate's picture... Her potato and Bacon Soup...

First, kate: I have a recipe for low fat lower calorie, heart healthier version of this soup! Want the recipe, its delish!?

Next: When pouring soup into the bowl and wanting to take a picture, try not to get any on the edges. If you do, and go to wipe it off, you must do a better job. Use a paper towel not your finger. or...

Next B: Use a nice piece of artisan bread to cover up your faux paus and add a nice warm ambience to the picture.

Third: centre your garnish or if using an off centre approach, tighten up the edges of the garnish

Forth: Make certain your counter is clean. I can see streaky wipe marks

Five: experiment with not using a flash


These tips come with a fee. Feel free to go to my website and email me through there. If these tips are used, without first getting my permission, I may have to sue for copyright infringement...


Snark..lol

AuntieAnn said...

Meagler said... 177

These tips come with a fee. Feel free to go to my website and email me through there. If these tips are used, without first getting my permission, I may have to sue for copyright infringement...


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lol! All great tips, but will she use them? Nooo.

Her food pictures are the equivalent of passport photos. They're culinary mugshots. Look straight into the camera, do not smile.

boo said...


She can't be serious:

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack 9m
@Kateplusmy8 Im ur inspiration...ur bandleader...ur cheerleader..ur #YouWillHaveAnAbsolutelyGreatDay person all rolled into one! :) :) :)






Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack 15m
@Kateplusmy8 Im ur inspiration...ur bandleader...ur cheerleader..ur #YouWillHaveAnAbsolutelyGreatDay person all rolled into one! :) :) :)
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I guess since Kate won't compliment Milo, she'll compliment herself.

Tucker's Mom said...

Her food pictures are the equivalent of passport photos. They're culinary mugshots.
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Culinary mugshots!
It's like comparing Saveur magazine food porn to a lingerie photo shoot in the women's changing room at K-Mart.
Nobody, I don't care if you ARE Heidi Klum, looks good there.

Midnight Madness said...

I have to wonder if Milo has had training as a motivational speaker. I can picture her living in a van down by the river.

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LOL...or under a bridge!

Just Down The Road said...

sarah ‏@gypsi001 34m
@BridgettBitts @kateplusmy8 YAY! Cara must have had a game. Did they win? :)

Gee, Gypsi, what makes you come to that conclusion? Kate loves sports -- she'd drive all the way to Millersville just for a random lacrosse game.

Moose Mania said...

Her food pictures are the equivalent of passport photos. They're culinary mugshots. Look straight into the camera, do not smile.

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And for heaven's sakes, wipe that soup off your chin!

Formerly Duped said...

Mel, good luck with talking to your director. I agree about having a 'paper trail' to support your statements. What is the director like; does he/she usually look into issues from all sides? Does he support his employees? Are you on good terms, seen as a valuable employee? I think you should report the new guy but also maybe give him a heads-up that you intend to, a second chance, and see if he can change his ways. Perhaps he came from another office where this behavior was the norm? I hope it all works out because it sounds very uncomfortable and unprofessional. Too common a story, isn't it.

Millicent said...

I read some truly helpful advice about the sexual harassment situation - this blog has some smart cookies who post here!

Now this made me laugh :)

Children First said... 159
Milo -- how much did the fans help her when her clothes line failed?
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When I first read this, I thought Children First meant Kate had a clothes line up in her yard somewhere, and one day it blew over, came undone, whatever.

Then I realized you mean a line of clothes (was that for K-Mart?) and I couldn't help but laugh at myself. Oh, the image of Kate wailing because all her clean clothes had hit the ground, and no fawning fans at the ready to clean them up.

Unknown said...

AMD said... 172
''I found this article on "divorcing yourself emotionally" most helpful at a time when I was dealing with someone who I had come to realize was a bully and was having a profoundly negative impact on my daily life.''
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It seems to me that Jon has also figured out how to emotionally divorce KK....especially this: ''Psychologists say that you can emotionally detach and pull back — even if you must deal with the difficult person every day.''

Whether he learned through therapy, or arrived at that place through self-defense/survival instincts, the bottom line is that he has detached himself, and maintained his silence. Even through the latest KK/Hailey/ROL/Bullyville scorched earth to-do, with KK's fans chiming in, Jon has not allowed himself to be baited into a response.

GOOD FOR YOU, JON. ADMIRABLE BEHAVIOR!!

Amy2 said...

Mel,
First think clearly (without emotion) about what is happening. Document everything, names dates situation actions (if any). Schedule a face to face meeting with the HR manager and then document the meeting. Then meet with the director and again document. If after all your efforts and the problem still persists, you are in an excellent position to sue the company on failure to investigate the sexual harassment.

In my earlier life a co-worker took these exact steps and then the HR director did nothing. She filed a quite sizable lawsuit against the company. As all she wanted was for the harassment to stop, she settled out of court. The person causing the trouble and the HR director were fired. The rest of the company took finally harassment seriously and there was zero tolerance for this behavior from then on out.

Whatever you choose to do, remember many strong but frightened women have gone before you dealing with sexual harassment. And today there are laws in place to protect employees.

Good luck.

Children First said...


When I first read this, I thought Children First meant Kate had a clothes line up in her yard somewhere, and one day it blew over, came undone, whatever.
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I know. Guilty. I thought the same thing when I went back and read over the posts. Bad choice of words!! It should have been "line of clothing."

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack 15m
@Kateplusmy8 Im ur inspiration...ur bandleader...ur cheerleader..ur #YouWillHaveAnAbsolutelyGreatDay person all rolled into one! :) :) :)

"I'M" your inspiration? Gosh, how conceited can one get?

Sherry Baby said...

Erika Thornton ‏@SouthernMomma85 2m

@Kateplusmy8 Same here...dance in the am, baseball in the afternoon, a Walmart run & a 30 min wait at the local snow cone stand. I'm pooped!

__________________________
Gosh, Erika, if that wears you out you might consider picking up some Geritol. Do they still make that stuff?

Mel said...

Thanks guys. Some very helpful advice. I really appreciate the comment about forgiving myself for being collegial in the beginning.

I'm so wound up about this that I can't sleep, can't eat. Can't even think straight.

I don't know the director very well, having only started reporting to him in January. He seems authentic (how's that for a tie back to this blog? lol) and genuine from what I've seen.

I've never caused trouble, and I'm certainly regarded as a valuable employee by my departments.

I didn't think about documenting until this week, but started that this past Monday.

I'm not really interested in suing; I really like my job and want to keep it. I just want him to stop. Stop talking to me like that, AND stop ogling/stalking the other women. How likely is that? Probably remote. He is who he is.

I do hate that idea that every time I have to walk past him he's checking out my butt. Yuck.

And now, back to my favorite topic....snarking on Kate!!!!!!!! <--- 8 of them.

mim said...

Mel, do NOT talk to the man again about the subject. It's HR time, period.
Document, discuss with HR. Wait to see what happens. Next steps will be revealed as necessary. Remember the term "hostile workplace."

Tucker's Mom said...

RT @BullyVille: What do a morally corrupt lawyer, a proven liar/author, the authors wife and a despicable ex-husband have in common?
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Kate RT this... is "a despicable ex-husband" Jon? Did she really just RT this about the father of her kids?

Warmth Of The Sun said...

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack 3m
@dowd24 @Kateplusmy8 Well...this obviously wasn't lemonade girl! U better be careful...get into bed! U have someone 2check on U?

Get into bed? Why? You can fly up there in two hours, Milo. You already know where her bedroom is located! You're wasting time, Gladys!


April ‏@AnyankasMommy 11m
@Kateplusmy8 The thought of dealing with my daughters energy x8 makes me feel little ill. You are truly a mother like none other.<3

Kateplusmy8
@AnyankasMommy ha ha. I do feel very weak and tired to be honest! Thank goodness for a fridge full of leftovers! to serve for dinner! :)

She's very weak and tired from going to a lacrosse game and taking her kids to playdates? What the heck? If she ate like a normal person instead of going the anorexia route, maybe she'd have more energy.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Mel I feel for you. Let us know how it goes if you're comfortable. Great advice sent your way.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I love a good pleonasm. ;-)

Warmth Of The Sun said...

RT @BullyVille: What do a morally corrupt lawyer, a proven liar/author, the authors wife and a despicable ex-husband have in common?

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I hope someone is taking screen shots of these tweets before he (and Kate) deletes them.

rainbowsandunicorns said...

I have to wonder if Milo has had training as a motivational speaker. I can picture her living in a van down by the river.

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I can picture her as Aimee Semple McPherson, in a long white flowing robe, preaching on the goodness that is Kate while collecting love offerings to help Saint Kate support herself and eight children.

First hymn:

Shall we gather at the river,
where bright angel feet have trod,
with its crystal tide forever
flowing by the throne of God?

Ere we reach the shining river,
lay we every burden down;
grace our spirits will deliver,
and provide a robe and crown.
soon our pilgrimage will cease;
soon our happy hearts will quiver
with the melody of peace.

Amy2 said...

Mel,
One more comment, and then I'll go back to being a reader.

In life we face difficult situations. Situations where there seems no way out or any kind of a resolution. It is during these times that we learn about our inner strength. We learn that we are stronger and tougher than we ever thought possible. A solution may not come as soon as you would like but going through the process is one of those difficult life lessons. As time goes on and you look back at this situation you'll find yourself saying "I survived. I am a strong person."

I do wish you the best as you go work through this problem.

Okay, I'll return to being a reader.

mim said...

I'm not really interested in suing; I really like my job and want to keep it. I just want him to stop. Stop talking to me like that, AND stop ogling/stalking the other women. How likely is that? Probably remote. He is who he is.

Nope, if your company is large enough and smart enough to deal with this correctly, who "he is" won't be tolerated. If they do tolerate him and that behavior, you may not be interested in a lawsuit, but you may find it's the right way to handle illegal behavior in the workplace.

FYI said...

Mel-One question? Do you have an employee handbook? If so, there should be a section regarding sexual harassment and the procedures to follow if you feel harassed and want to make a report. Although many of us are giving you advice, you should follow whatever procedure is outlined in the manual.

When I worked at a bank-the procedure was to speak to someone in HR first-not your supervisor. My HR was required to keep the names of those filing reports confidential until they did an investigation. Your place of employment may have a different procedure.
I found a website that may help you.

http://www.equalrights.org/publications/kyr/shwork.asp

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