Apparently TLC is still not all that interested in background checks-shmackground checks. Their newest reality show Mama's Boys of the Bronx looks like harmlesss enough drivel about Italian men who still live with their mothers (Sbadiglio! Us
Zoccolillo was videotaped by the 10 News I-Team in 2007 as he entered a vacant house in Pacific Beach that he was trying to rent out. When he realized he was on camera, he took off running, refusing to answer the producer's questions. He was later arrested and charged with conspiracy and grand theft. He was sentenced to two years in prison.
An anonymous viewer who called in the sighting had this to say: "He bilks people out of money and now he gets a reality show? That's just not right."
Hey, shocked and appalled anonymous viewer, this is not the first con artist TLC has worked with. We could give you an earful about what is just not right about this
1132 sediments (sic) from readers:
«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 400 of 1132 Newer› Newest»An old student loan showed me in arrears every single month. The first month I panicked and called them. But they said don't worry we don't process the payments until one or two weeks later and we never report you to the credit bureau unless you're two months behind. Yeah, government run student loan. That's how they roll. I didn't like it but that's how they did it and that's how many liens do it. I was always up to date and actually ahead.
My curse for Kate? Duct tape across that trap that never comes of!!!
You know I"m surprised sheeple don't know more about loans and debt since I assume most of them have maxed out all their credit cards and are living beyond their means just like their idol. Or is their credit so low they can't even get a loan? They sure are ignorant.
I know that's low but this is insane. I firmly believe they started this whole story. Remember the person who said I would look stupid on Wednesday? That's the person who had this story. Well, I think they look stupid today. Actually not stupid, just psycho obsessed parental alienators.
No one's child support is any of their business. Stop inserting yourself into the story! Kate is a big girl, let her handle whatever she needs to handle, if anything.
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 Close
@XXXXXX I do! That's why I state only the facts :)&only when needed. Talk abt Only things that make it to the public--& then only2correct!
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What about child support only covers lunches was a fact?
Here's some oh so pesky facts that don't add up with Jon not paying, since he has been at that job for two years now and only a few days ago is self-employed:
Can support payments be taken directly out of a parent's paycheck?
How much child support must be paid?
In most cases, the court automatically orders a wage attachment as part of the original support order. This means that the parent's employer is required to take the support money directly from the parent's paycheck and send it to the domestic relations office.
Be default his payment is supposed to come directly out of his check.
I hadn't ever really read Jon's twitter feed that much before tonight, there honestly wasn't much to read for a whole there, but he tweeted several times today and I read it all.
Then I come back here and see The Bitch From Hell's tweets at the top of the page andit strikes me how genuine he is and how fake and nasty she is.
Admin, she would absolutely HATE duct tape over her mouth that couldn't come off. Good one!
Since everything about the divorce is sealed, seems like Jon could now have it unsealed since Kate is leaking everything to the public anyway. I don't see how she is not constantly in contempt of court for what she does.
Sorry forgot the link it's here, it also talks about jail time, losing your license and so on if you don't pay:
http://www.lawhelp.org/documents/122691Brochure%202_Child%20Support_Brochure.pdf?stateabbrev=/PA/
PA Legal Aid, good for the facts!
Everyone needs to just calm down and breathe.....
WE know the truth...and regardless of the truth, the sheeple will never believe it. Never. Not happening.
The PA CS website could have posted that Jon was 12 months AHEAD of paying his child support, and guess what? The sheeple would have cried foul and said that it was bogus and inaccurate - while Kate coyly tweets something similar.
It doesn't matter. They're going to believe what they want to believe, and nothing - NOTHING - will make them change their mind. Period.
Let Kate spin her lies and her web of deceit any way she wants to...the bottom line is, she's irrelevant, she's unemployed (except for her CC gig - ha ha), and she's hardly mentioned in any of the news publications at all.
Even when she is mentioned on an internet website - 90% of the comments are still negative. People still hate her. She can lie all she wants, but people will still hate her.
Let her be the bitch that she is; let her be the one who dares to "go there" on her twitter account...karma will bite her in the ass and it won't be pretty.
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 Close
@XXXXXX I do! That's why I state only the facts :)&only when needed. Talk abt Only things that make it to the public--& then only2correct!
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She only states facts.
You lie all the time and make everything public.
That's a fact4u
The same fan who tweeted instructions how to access the website, and who also said "I know it works bcuz person that DM me info told me", also tweeted this to Kate:
"Of course, the PA website is accurate. Some1 just DM me to say called & PA says lien means you're behind in pymts"
I doubt someone "DM'd" her-she probably called.
And why doesn't Kate tell her fans to mind their own business!! Does she approve of them going to these websites and calling to check up on things about her and Jon?
The person who she first replied to, also retweeted haters comments about Kate to Jon. Kate had to have seen them, but she says NOTHING.
Does she sees that as them showing her sympathy which she is so thankful for?
And she only said something because it was made PUBLIC? Doesn't she wonder how it got made public? Or does she know how the story came out?
Bitch is too kind a word to describe her.
Since everything about the divorce is sealed, seems like Jon could now have it unsealed since Kate is leaking everything to the public anyway. I don't see how she is not constantly in contempt of court for what she does.
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Sigh, I know. I've been in front of judges who will find parents in contempt for breathing wrong. And I've been in front of judges who get all hot and bothered when you say contempt and will do WHATEVER they can do to try to weasel the other parent out of it. This is very annoying. Some judges like contempt, some don't. At a certain point contempt IS warranted but some judges just don't like it. I think some of them like everyone to just get along don't stir the pot don't make me do that.
I have fantasies about putting Kate in front of some judges I know hehe. You think she'd be eaten alive on the Apprentice? Try a family law judge who has made it their purpose in life to be a parental alienation expert. Kate, you are so lucky. THere are mothers just like you and even not as bad who do not have their kids because of the same exact crap you pull on a daily basis.
And then of course, Milo puts her two cents in:
miloandjack
@Kateplusmy8 @mojitosplace Was just surprised how he tried 2deny bein behind? I mean...why would he be listed rt? Better 2just own up2it!
What is with these people?
Sherri, you are absolutely right. Really this is between Kate and Jon. I know what I believe.
I also think arrears or not Kate needs to stop being such a Ma Ingalls and get an f-ing JOB and support her kids too. She had 'em too, not just Jon. They are in school all damn day. GET A JOB.
Some of those fans just keep giving Kate more rope to hang herself with.
Admin said...
I also think arrears or not Kate needs to stop being such a Ma Ingalls and get an f-ing JOB and support her kids too. She had 'em too, not just Jon. They are in school all damn day. GET A JOB.
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I couldn't agree more...but she may never get a job. She's a lazy ass bitch, and she will never change.
Look at her history:
She was too lazy to get pregnant the "old-fashioned" way, and she used medical science to get her what she wanted.
She's too lazy to do her own damn housework & laundry, so she has people to do that for her.
She was too lazy to write her own book, so she used Beth to do it for her.
She's too lazy to mother her own kids, so she has a "helper" to do it for her.
Now, she's too lazy to write her own blog at CC, so she's asked for tips from her readers.
She's LAZY and she will NEVER change.
What HAS changed, though, is she's running out of people to do her work for her. People are on to her and her lazy-ass ways. Oh, there's a few left, but they're dropping like flies once they get a taste of her bitter-assed vinegar personality.
My take on the cruise from Hell. Jon has had the visitation changed. Jon has diligently documented the crazies that are going on the cruise.
The courts decided they are not safe with the crazies. He has put a stop to his beloved twins put in jeporady. Cindy what's her name will cancel this mess if she hasn't already.
The cruise attracted a few dipsticks, cruise over.
Just a matter of time.
Good Dad, Keep on Keeping on Jon
At least one fan gets it:
r3boz
@MiloandJack @kateplusmy8 @mojitosplace I no I am nobody .. But is this really any of our business? This is between Kate/Jon :-(
Yet Kate just lets the others keep bashing Jon over and over.
Jon showed way more class today than Kate will show in a lifetime.
(For some reason I couldn't post under my usual system *Name* but I signed this post)
It is really quite an easy question, isn't it?
Hi Kate. Is Jon (your ex-husband) up-to-date on CS payments? Please answer Yes or No.
No need to get into details. Just YES or NO.
Failure to answer this simple question would imply that the answer is yes.
Dang, I wish I had a twitter account.Perhaps I'll set one up tomorrow. :-)
Jill P.
Kate not only needs her mouth duct taped, she need her fingers glued together with Super Glue.
@LibandMa I do! That's why I state only the facts :)&only when needed. Talk abt Only things that make it to the public--& then only2correct! about an hour ago
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Someone is definitely in the winebox tonight, gonna be a long weekend for Our Lady of Perpetual Lies.
The pathos is no longer even laughable.
Kate Gosselin with never change never ever.
Oh I'm not trying to change any brain-dead sheep's mind about anyone.
But I do think she's a horrid hag for saying and doing what she does.
I have no DOUBT those kids hear way worse from her about the father they LOVE.
And one of her sheep on Twitter said Jon has had five jobs in two years or something?
HEY THAT'S FIVE MORE THAN KATE'S HAD, you idjit.
Lord, I can't even with these dipsticks. Kate has NO job. Crapping out 300 words a week for a couponing website doesn't pay the bills, it never will. Going on a cruise doesn't pay the bills (though I think even that's in question now).
She is UNEMPLOYED. And probably living on savings. And universally hated.
God bless Jon for having to deal with her all those years. One of the nicest things she ever did for him was pull her claws out of him and let him get away with his life.
Mim (#13), great observation. Sometimes reading Kate's feed I wonder if her most "pro" commentators (yeah, I'm lookin' at YOU, milo) are not also the biggest WMD.
I try to stay away from Twitter, but looked at Kate's today. I swear her followers have increased by another 300-400 again. Does she think no one notices these big chunks of followers?
- just settled in2 bed to read a good book
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Okay, this time she has got to be lying!!
(Kate read a book? Maybe she's reading her old books, reliving her glory days?)
Ya know, Kate? When your tweeties finally see you for the liar and fraud you are, you will then see what real hate is.
As the old saying goes, I can be your biggest cheerleader or your worst nightmare....when your most ardent fans FINALLY see you for the horrible person you are, you better watch out.
WHAT in the Sam Hill was so "tough" about Kate's day?
miloandjack
@Kateplusmy8 Okay Kate...sure hope U know I never mean 2meddle...always here 2support & try 2encourage U! Been a tough day, I know! :)
If I hadn't seen comments from this "entity" for the past year, I swear I would put her/him/it into the PR shill category. Kate tweeted once today, pretty early in the a.m., about a "handyman" coming to her house. She tweeted again 11 hours LATER to comment on all of the child-support speculation. She doesn't have her kids this weekend (she just tweeted she's in bed with a book), so what on earth could have been "so tough" for her today? If milo is NOT a PR shill, she/he/it might as well be.
Does everyone realize that it was Kate who actually started all this? If she had never responded to that one tweeter who said her niece say the court info, this story would have never existed. It was Kate's tweets back about it that got picked up by ROL in the first place. That story then led to the current story.
Kate must know that ROL follows her. So yes, she was actually began this whole thing. But she plays little "miss innocent".
She likes the infighting between the haters and the sheeple and basically encourages it over and over. She loves how her tweeties stick up for her, even if what they are saying is wrong.
She is one sick human being-if she's human at all.
SeeSaw, you're right. Today she did go up by almost 300. But it's not like that every day. Not by a mile.
Kate will never change. She will always talk out of both sides of her mouth. Nothing will ever be her fault. She will always be the victim. She will always be better than everyone else. She will always feel entitled. She will always jump at the chance to trash Jon. She will always be a grifter. And above all else, Kate will always put herself first.
I'm having trouble with this blog tonight.
Let's see if I can leave this comment:
She's so fool of crap.
I'll bet that she has poisoned her children's minds as well.
Good luck Jon.
I'd rather see duct tape wrapped around her fingers so that she can't type. Then again, she's probably just force one of her kids to type for her.
Is Gypsy one of the sheeple who are in debt? She's spending how much just to line Khate's pockets and exploit two innocent girls?
Kate will be in Springfield, Missouri on Friday, May 4, 20012.
Google Camp Barnabas, then click on Tapas and Tophats. I wonder who is paying for this trip?
Kate, since we know that you read here, just a heads up, there aren't any five star hotels here, and NO ONE travels with a body guard. In fact, when Brad and Angelia visit no one bothers them and there certainly aren't any paparazzi following them. Save your money and leave Steve at home. No one gives a crap about you in Missouri!
Kate is a twit said... 19
Kate not only needs her mouth duct taped, she need her fingers glued together with Super Glue.
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Gorilla glue won't even keep her lips shut when it comes to talking about others.
Or bashing others to make her self look good
Kids know. My sister left her husband and her 3 young children for another man. She walked out the door for what looked like a better life, one unencumbered with raising 3 kids.
When her relationship with this guy fell apart, she started trashing her ex-husband and blaming him for HER leaving the family. When her husband moved on and re-married, she ramped up her criticism of her ex-husband AND his new wife. As her children were young, they believed their mother and made their father's life with his new wife a misery.
Those 3 kids are adults now, and I know they love their mother, but they do not trust her. They know now, as adults, they were manipulated and do not listen to the running commentary about their father that exists to this day.
The irony of what happened to my sister was that she was swept off her feet by a younger man driving a Mercedes, and living what looked like the "good life". He was a phony, and it turned out to be all smoke and mirrors. Her husband was struggling to set up his business when she left him, and today he is a millionaire.
My point is, the Gosselin kids may not know the truth now, but as time goes on, they will. They know, without a shadow of a doubt, their father loves them, and
in the end, that consistency will be where they find their comfort. They will always love their mother, they just won't put much faith in her version of things. Kids know.
Hey Kate,
C U Next Tuesday.
The kids know the truth yeah your version of the truth.
And the world knows that you Kate and the truth don't know each other to well at all.
Jumping In, please do jump in more often.
You guys are on a roll today. Love those curses! omg, tooo funny!! Carnac the magnificent couldn't do better. lol!!
About todays tweets...I think Jon knows Kate well enough to expect this kind of bashing from her and that is why he got help and is not making an ass of himself like she is. I was reading about divorcing a narcissist and everything Kate says and does is exactly what the article states. Some highlights:
--If you marry a narcissist and then divorce that person, the narcissist will not forgive and forget. They do not move on easily. They cling to "how could you abandon me or do this to me" and the anger lingers for long periods of time, sometimes years and years. To imagine that one could process through an amicable divorce with a narcissist and stay friends and co-parent in a reasonable manner is not realistic with narcissists.
--Because narcissists do not have the capacity for empathy and emotionally tuning into the needs of others, the children's emotional needs are not realized. Thriving on constant conflict is the narcissist's way to stay connected and fight for her own rights rather than consider what works for the children. In fact, being oblivious to the needs of the children is usually observed.
--Narcissism is a disorder that wreaks havoc in these families. If this is you, make sure your attorney is well informed. There will need to be professionals involved to assist in how to deal with the narcissist parent. It is advised that the children attend therapy with a professional who understands the dynamics of narcissism and how that affects children. Some parenting plans that reflect a good understanding of narcissistic parenting will be needed.
--Why one would marry a narcissist is a no-brainer. They can be charming, enticing, engaging and easily put on a show in the beginning of relationships. They are out there for you to fall in love with. You will only know the reality as you get to know them better over a period of time. But if you decide to divorce, reach out for some specialized assistance! You and your kids are worth it.
Moose Mania said... 155
All kidding aside, there is something very strange about that relationship. Nobody really knows WHO Milo is, if he/she is a publicity plant, if it's some 90-year-old male pervert, or a 20-something college theater major, having a good time at Kate's expense, rolling with laughter at the attention this is getting.
Or, is it just some loony in an institution somewhere? One flew over the cuckoo's nest, maybe...
At any rate, if the twain should meet, do you want to be there with me to watch this charade? It would be better than anything any television script writer could come up with.
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Oh I'm there Moose. I'd PAY to see that. Virginia Penn Mom, you in?
And yes, seriously Moose, I agree. Milo is a odd mystery and the options you offer are all possiblities. Isn't that enough to scare Kate off? Apparently she is that desperate for attention.
JonBenet Ramsey's dad said "regardless of where you live, there could be evil around you. And don't be naive about it. And keep your kids protected."
Kate is just asking for it.
I do actually wonder what book Kate is reading this evening. Is it one of her own? Updating herself on the actual content may help to get her various fictions all gelling.
Every time I think of her proclaiming that what her kids always watch on TV is "their" show, I want to scream. Who could take this crap on a regular basis without losing it? And are these reruns edited to cut out all of the couch interviews where she/Jon were mocking the kids?
I wonder what THEY think when they watch these "episodes." If they have been edited to the point that the time frames are indistinguishable to the kids, can you imagine how confused they must be? I hope that at least some of them are good readers and so can opt out of the endless reruns of their idealized lives.
Ms Kreider is boring. Her uberfans are boring. She also has no class. karma does not always happen in a way that can immediately be seen, but Ms Kreider is just begging the universe to give her some kind of smack down. We probably won't see it, but I have faith it will happen. Hopefully Ms Kreider will learn something valuable at some point.
Just got home and haven't read all the comments yet, so this may have already been said, but this tweet makes me furious:
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 Close
@XXXXXX I can't control the lies from bullies, liars, tabloids tho... And that makes me sad. But my kids already hav fig out the truth!;)
The kids should be TOTALLY OBLIVIOUS to any of this shit. There shouldn't be anything for them to "figure out". They do not need to even be aware that there is such a thing as Child Support that Daddy has to pay. They should only know that Mommy and Daddy work together to make sure they are provided for. There is absolutely no reason any child should be aware when their dad is behind on payments. I hate to think how guilty the Gosselin kids feel when Kate tells them they can't go on a vacation or get something they really want, because Daddy isn't paying money he's supposed to.
And on Ohio's CS website, it shows date and amount of last payment and total balance due for each month. Just because there's a balance due it doesn't mean that the person is behind in payments.
Jumping In, 34 -- I hope will all my heart that you are correct.
Auntie Ann, 38 -- that is a frightening profile.
Kate spews her mistruths with such confidence. I want Jon's book to be lengthy with many chapters.
Lauren, agree 100%. Her kids know the truth about child support? On what planet is it ever, under any circumstances, appropriate to discuss CHILD SUPPORT with a child? For God sake. Talk about imposing GUILT on them.
Also, I think she plagiarized from Jon when he said his kids know the truth. He said this after she based him on Regis and Kelly with Anderson Cooper standing in giving her the stink eye.
I actually believe the kids do know the truth, but it's not what Kate hopes. Overcompensate a bit there Kate.
Admin sail...2
You know I"m surprised sheeple don't know more about loans and debt since I assume most of them have maxed out all their credit cards and are living beyond their means just like their idol. Or is their credit so low they can't even get a loan? They sure are ignorant.
I know that's low but this is insane. I firmly believe they started this whole story. Remember the person who said I would look stupid on Wednesday? That's the person who had this story. Well, I think they look stupid today. Actually not stupid, just psycho obsessed parental alienators.
No one's child support is any of their business. Stop inserting yourself into the story! Kate is a big girl, let her handle whatever she needs to handle, if anything.
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The subject really doesn't matter, the battle does. Let's say a sheep is invested in (pick a number) five blogs per day. Life is heaven. Blogging away with other sheep and fighting the good battle. Popping over to 15 min and GWOP for material and back at it.
Then the Katie Irene show ends. No more morning gossip/news shows. Sheep escape and vanish into thin air. Jon's image climbs. Katie's image plummets. Katie Irene blogs cease. Thousands of negative comments are attached to Katie's twitter and stories on the rag sites.
Finally after months and months you get something to stick. The pace at the remaining Katie blogs pick up again. Life is good. Being a sheep again has meaning. Fighting the fight for life, liberty and the American way. Up all night gathering material. Break out the K-Cup and the french press. Yay.
Maybe it is the format of twitter that makes all her sentences seem vague. Catching her content is much like grabbing a wisp of fog. (Or, was it Ellen Degeneres who asked if she was talking in code?)
What is the"truth" drama she is referring to -- truth between what Jon is saying in his twitter vs. ROL? Does she follow Jon? Maybe her fans are reporting back to her that Jon is providing some contradictory information.
Kate should be breaking out in a cold sweat.. She had control of what details were shared with the public for so long. Time is up.
Dmasy said... 43
I want Jon's book to be lengthy with many chapters.
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Me too Dmasy. I think he'll have to put his story out in a set of 10 volumes. Maybe more.
I think Jon's victory in court, whatever it is, has Kate pissed off. She's trying awfully hard to make Jon look like a deadbeat and garner sympathy ON TWITTER. My take is Jon got her and got her good. Also, I'm guessing she did her best to support the kids without spending a dime herself. If Jon no longer pays her support, she may be spewing bile because, finally, she has to use "her" money to feed and clothe them. About time.
If you have the time, go to You Tube and watch the 4 part Christina Crawford/Phil Donohue interview. At times I could have sworn it was Kate they were talking about. Pay particular attention to a fan defending Joan Crawford and tell me it wouldn't be something you would hear from one of Kate's sheeple. Also, note the peeling wallpaper story - not saying the same punishment was dealt, but it reminded me of the peeling globe incident. So eerie.
Wow thanks for the Phill Donahue interview I can't wait to watch the whole thing. Some people will never accept the truth. There were several witnesses to Christiana and Christopher's abuse and what they describe fits so textbook into Joan Crawford's mental health issues and narcissism it would be impossible to fake it.
Christina: My mother had very strict rules.... If there was a minor infraction of those rules ... something took hold of her...and she would focus on those minor infractions and punish me brutally sometimes because of it.
Hitler video anyone?
When, not if the Gosselin kids write a tell all, I know there will people who do not support them and I hurt for them for that.
This was before my time, can someone explain why Phil Donahue has a GIGANTIC phone in the middle of the table? Does he take personal calls as they come up? Or is that just what phones looked like in the 19th century... :)
I'm getting sucked into this....Christina contested the will, F-ING GOOD FOR HER.
I have never seen or heard from the real Christina but I find her to be incredibly poised, educated, bright and CREDIBLE.
Sheeple calling it in. Mothers get mad, I've been mad before, I've done things like that.
Donahue throws back a shitload of quotes from the book back at her.
I find it outrageous that someone would call the disclosure of child abuse "deeply disturbing." Good God.
Christina's awesome comeback "We've had a philosophy for many years that children belong to their parents and they are extensions of their parents and parents have the right to do anything they please. I think we need to rethink that."
Kindle does not have Mommie Dearest or I probably would have started reading it tonight.
Eden Woods and her mother had a very disturbing interview on CBS Atlanta yesterday. I don't think anyone could watch her distracted behavior and think that child is alright. Her responses were completely disconnected from the reality of the moment. I couldn't tell if her mother indulged such behavior or if little Eden was going to get a good ole' Southern pinch as they walked off the set.
I find it very interesting that since Jon's twitter went public his numbers have only increased by 2000. In that same time Kate's numbers have increased by over 6000. Now I am not sure how this works. Do you have to approve who is following you? If so then Jon is more selective than Kate. If not I would have to agree that Kate or her sheeple are paying for followers. One would think with Jon just going public that more people would be interested in him than in Kate who has been public for a year. I have been following Jon for close to a year now. He has never had a bad word to say about Kate. In fact he never talked about her. As far as the children he didn't talk about them either. If someone asked he would thank them for asking and say they were doing great. Not like Kate who rambles on and on about everything they say or do. I find myself thinking most of that is made up too. It is too hard to believe what comes out of her mouth. Sorry for rambling. It is late and my bed is calling. Where is my lights out man? Lol.
More eerie comparisons from pt 2:
Joan Crawford according to Christina only had two men she could ever really love and she thinks it was because they didn't take her crap, she couldn't walk all over them. And strangely this resulted in her respecting them.
STEVE, anyone?
Thanks again What's Next for this chilling interview.
More unsettling similarities: Joan Crawford estranged her mother from the children, she was never allowed over at the house.
Alibris is an awesome site where you can order out of print or difficult to find books.
I found them when I wanted to get hardback copies of all the books written by my favorite author, Norah Lofts. (I will move those books to the nursing home with me!)
I just ordered Mommie Dearest and another book by Christina Crawford, Survivor.
I've had Mommie Dearest for years. I'm glad I can see Christina speak about the book and her childhood, even 35 years later thanks to Youtube. It gives it even more dimension.
I will never ever understand why a woman would adopt or even birth children then treat them the way she did. I understand the self worship of narcissism just not the part about why they need to have little kids to feed upon. It's an ugly, cruel disorder.
Dmasy 57 -- abebooks.com is another great site for finding OOP books. They have some incredible bargains, too. I found a textbook there for $20 that sells for over $100 new.
I read "Mommie Dearest" a long time ago, but I don't remember a lot of the details now. Guess I'm going to have to go back and reread it. Sounds like the comparisons with KK are chilling.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 51
This was before my time, can someone explain why Phil Donahue has a GIGANTIC phone in the middle of the table? Does he take personal calls as they come up? Or is that just what phones looked like in the 19th century... :)
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hahaha....I was watching King of NY the other night and someone went into one of those old phone booths to make a call..and got trapped in there and shot. Who the heck uses a phone booth anymore? Any still around don't even have phones in them anymore.
Yeah....before cell phones and the internet, communication looked completely different. I feel like a damn dinosaur now. I'm sure this stuff looks downright comical to your generation as it even looks pretty comical to me now.
Boy, Kate really is a slickster with those tweets regarding the CS. She parses just as well as a politician. Say something that is wrong but will fly just via a technicality and then add a "set the record straight" intro to make it look like she's the victim.
Hehe....I hope this turns into child-support-gate just like her other twitter debacles....and that she is revealed for the malevolent liar she is.
Oh....and the kids figured out the truth?
Yeah Kate....and soon you're gonna wish they hadn't.
At any rate, if the twain should meet, do you want to be there with me to watch this charade? It would be better than anything any television script writer could come up with.
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Oh I'm there Moose. I'd PAY to see that. Virginia Penn Mom, you in?
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Moose and AuntieAnn, I'm in! This Milo/Kate "relationship" is bizarre at best, creepy at worst, and entertaining as heck to watch from a distance. A meeting between the two? Heck yeah! Especially now that Milo has told Kate she loves her... Anything goes!
If we get in early with front row seats, I'll bring the popcorn and wine. Moose, maybe bring towels to put on the floor around us because it's bound to be slippery from Milo's tears. And AuntieAnn can send the running "real time" commentary back to the blog!
And how will Milo respond when Kate demands she go TP (toilet paper) Jon's house in the woods? I picture this like Wormtail and Voldemort. Milo bows low and backs away while Kate points a bony finger at her. "The house! Toilet paper! Now!"
(Sorry, I'm not usually this mean. Kate brings it out in me.)
Dmasy, I have only seen a few promos for Edens world. I think it is on at 10 pm so they can show lots of the gay managers tantrums and the adults fighting. They have little Eden made up like a mini drag queen!
This show is going to come on after rupauls drag Tracee. I may tasked one for the team and post a summary/ review, if I can stand to watch more than five minutes.
Part of the attraction of drag race its watching the queens be snippy with each other, which I know the producers encourage and maybe even script some encounters. That is the only possible reason I can think they are putting on Edens world after rupaul, because we will get to see the adults have some mega tantrums and fights.
HOW can her fans write her blog for her? They appear to have half her intelligence (yeah, I know, that ain't much) and at 13 how much 'couponing' experience would they have?
She wasn't too 'lazy' to get pregnant the regular way. THAT way would not guarantee her HOM's (and she probably thinks sex is ickkky, it does involve a male after all).
We can see she reads this great blog by her immediate reaction/response to the negative comments here (the 'negative' was redundant I know, there are no 'positive' one here - well, or anywhere). We also know she sees the negative comments always written about her when her name hits gossip columns. I can't remember ever reading a truly good comment about her.
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 Close
@XXXXXX I do! That's why I state only the facts :)&only when needed. Talk abt Only things that make it to the public--& then only2correct!
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So she states the truth only when necessary. Amazing - she actually told a truth about herself.
Yeah, I laughed to see Kate was curled up with a book...didn't someone here make a comment that she never reads? Hmm.
I am sad though to see her mention her kids 'figured out the truth' implying knowing their dad was not paying...that's very sad.She just can't keep her mouth shut.
Dmasy
I also watched the Eden interview. Oh wow, there is something seriously disturbing about that interview. I felt so sorry for the poor reporter! And I felt sorry for Eden too. She's a product of the tv reality world and it doesn't look good.
Link to interview:
http://www.cbsatlanta.com/video?clipId=6941799&autostart=true
Kate Gosselin@Kateplusmy8
GM all... Failure is NOT an option; its a cop out! Remind yourselves of that (as I am) as often as is necessary! Keep on keeping on....xo
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Wow, this is her morning mantra. I would love to know what she considers FAILURE is. She is a huge failure because her reputation is pure crap. What a legacy she is leaving her kids.
I'll bring the popcorn and wine. Moose, maybe bring towels to put on the floor around us because it's bound to be slippery from Milo's tears.
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I thought you were going to say that we need paper towels because we were going to wet our pants!
I'm in, too, although I don't think it's ever going to happen. There's a reason Milo won't meet Kate. She's afraid of something, and I still haven't figured out what yet. When you love someone as much as she loves Kate, you would do anything to meet her, even if it means going on the cruise and just being pushed around in a wheelchair if you can't walk.
But, she must be able to walk because she's always talking about her wonderful outings. Something isn't quite right there, and the mystery continues.
Then again, maybe she IS going on the cruise and she's keeping everyone in the dark.
Auntie Ann (58) said...
"I understand the self worship of narcissism just not the part about why they need to have little kids to feed upon. It's an ugly, cruel disorder."
You kind of answered your own question there. Narcissist women have children to feed upon because healthy adults will not have anything to do with them.
They need to be adored, worshiped, looked up to, seen as infallible and thought of as omnipotent.
What normal, healthy person is going look upon a fellow person like that?
But kids, while they're little anyway, do look upon their parents with those eyes. Without children to feed their ego, narcissist women run out of fuel real quick.
I know I'm generalizing here and the issue of NPD is way more complicated than that. I'm no psychologist, though I did spend 2 years seeing one weekly to undo the damage from my own NPD mother.
You said it right though Auntie, it is a very ugly and cruel disorder that destroys families and even takes lives. I would bet my last dollar that a large percentage of suicide victims have a narcissist in their immediate family.
JM2cents for the day.
Off to enjoy a beautiful Spring Saturday. Hope everyone has a wonderful weekend.
My wish for Kate is that she has to wear an electric fence collar and every time she says "Umm, me, my, I, or favoriteish" she gets a correction!
Eden's tape is severely disburbing. I can't believe she has her own reality show. What impressed me is how her mother NEVER corrected her. Something is wrong with her and her mother pretends everything is peachy. Eden can't possibly act like that on her show...who could watch that!
oh dear.I listened to the Eden interview and it was disturber on many levels. Is that child on drugs or go-go juice? Just a spoiled brat? Articulate her mom says?? She could not form one coherent sentence. The Come to Jesus Meeting talk her mother mentioned- is that a punishment? Wow. The mom seemed old for having a child that age and Eden obviously calls the shots ( speaking if which, what was with the gun imitation? )I don't want to ever see that show- can't imagine what it would consist of. No talent, not cute or endearing,just crazy.
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Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 Close
@XXXXXX I do! That's why I state only the facts :)&only when needed. Talk abt Only things that make it to the public--& then only2correct
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Oh Kate, you bitter, vindictive, high road taking (not) bitch. Even if it is correct (which it is not) that Jon was behind on CS, WHY DO YOU NEED TO ADDRESS THIS AT ALL????? Why, when it seems to be established that a "lien" means an obligation NOT an arrears, must you jump out from under your rock and try to steer the thinking back to making it appear that he is behind?
Seriously? All of those who know damaging info about Kate need to start spilling. Maybe if some stuff starts coming out about her, she will STFU and will stop this shit once & for all. She's getting consideration she won't even give the father of her own children. She's doing this because she can and can get away with it, knowing no one will say a peep about her. Everyone says "the kids, oh the kids...." but constantly trashing their father until it gets to ROL and NE is just as bad for the kids. If she get a dose of her own medicine she will stop, which will be better for the kids. If she can keep getting away with it while smelling like a rose she'll keep doing it.
Sing it, wayward! Amen.
Kate Gosselin@Kateplusmy8
GM all... Failure is NOT an option; its a cop out! Remind yourselves of that (as I am) as often as is necessary! Keep on keeping on....xo
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Lets see you failed at
1. Being on 2 reality shows
2. Being a writer
3. Promoting anything including your self
4. Dancing.
5. Being a good mother-(I know since I have one)
6. Being a good daughter/wife/sister/friend.
-Your family or friends want nothing to do with you.
So Kate how is failure not an options for you seems like that's all your good at or did I miss something.?
Please read Mommie Dearest. It really is great. So terrible it's almost unbelievable... EXCEPT I've personally known kids whose parents have done the same. It might also change the mind of anyone who thinks that continuing to question Khate on twitter is worthwhile use of their time and energy. She will ALWAYS 'win' in her mind.
Re kids knowing the truth, don't be so sure. You all seem to be looking at it from a very adult and unemotional distance. Again, I've seen kids blame the parent in the right even long after they've learned all the facts. A child's love, especially for a mother who screams persecution every chance she gets, can be blind.
I have let a lot of typos go through.I will try to proofread better- blame my glasses this time! But not necessary to correct as I think you can tell what I meant? Don't want to waste posts in future on my goofs. :/
Up late last night. I viewed the Phil Donahue interviews with Christina Crawford. She was so refined and poised. Understated. She seemed to strive for accuracy, but I read further that she had several detractors who believed she only wanted the money and fame a book would bring. That is completely not the impression I got.
Tamara, I ordered the book.
I feel relieved that others interpreted the Eden Woods interview much the same way I did. The mom seemed so calm. But, maybe all she could do on TV is try to ignore Eden's activities. A mess!
Admin, Re the Phil Donohue show I also thought you and others would get a big laugh out of the huge glasses they wore and one woman's big hair.
That is the only humourous part, though. I again want to encourage the other bloggers here to watch the 4 part video on YouTube. You will be amazed at the similarities. Another part I noted was when Christina said that to the public her mother portrayed their family as being the perfect, happy family, but that was far from the reality. Image was everything. I also found it interesting that when Christina was hospitalized her mother played her part on a soap opera. Can you imagine an older woman thinking she could play the part of a much younger woman. That brought to mind Kate's manner of dress (Prom dress, anyone?) being clothing intended for high school girls or women much younger.I'm sure you will note many more when you watch the videos.
Now I'll go watch Eden's tape.
Kate's recent tweet:
GM all... Failure is NOT an option; its a cop out! Remind yourselves of that (as I am) as often as is necessary! Keep on keeping on....xo
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Mmmmm... Kate's first tweet of the day,
and she sounds frustrated.
Maybe lately things are not going her way?
There was also a disturbing lack of boundaries just like Kate.
Her mother would have her mix drinks for her boyfriends that would come over. Kate had her kids expose all their private moments on a reality show. If you think about it, it's all the same thing, all in the same spectrum.
Also food control. Her mother made her eat bloody steak and if she didn't it would come back out the next day to eat it again.
Public humiliation as a discipline tactic. Kate writes a blog about the kids being bad and lying as public humiliation. Joan cut up Christina's dress and made her wear it all cut up in public.
Was Joan ever diagnosed as a narcissist by the way? Christiana seemed to be saying I don't know why my mother was like this I don't know where it came from. Surely a therapist at some point suggested mental illness.
Whenever Kate loses something to Jon or someone else she tweets out cryptic quotes like I will not quit they can't beat me down I will survive I will always keep going! Blah, kitten-poster BLAH.
She's really quite transparent.
It's shocking to me the vile detractors who think she made it all up. And Christiana was understated, she didn't have a need to prove to them it was true, she was never defensive, it was more just, all I can do is tell my story.
Then one woman stood up and said her story is my story minus the fame and Hollywood. There's no way she made this up.
I don't get why they were so hung up on why did she publish this book after she died. Oh I don't know because it would have hurt her when she was alive? What was interesting is Christina still seemed to love her and not want to hurt her. Puppies always love their owners.
I googled around, turns out she WON her case to contest the will. Awesome.
I hate the trite "failure is not an option" people. Failure can be good for a person. You learn about yourself, you learn how to do better next time, it sharpens and refines you and builds character. Or it's SUPPOSED to. Refusing to quit doesn't always make you some kind of hero--in fact it often just makes you stubborn and rigid.
Has Kate learned from her dozens of failures?
Off topic, has anyone seen Titanic in 3D and is it worth it?
I answered my own question
PEOPLE Online:
"Mommie Dearest," both your book and the movie, generated a lot of publicity, both for you and your mother. Obviously, therapists must have approached you with their take on why your mother behaved the way she did.
CHRISTINA CRAWFORD:
They have. In the years since, psychiatrists have said to me she was narcissistic, a manic-depressive, a sociopath and borderline.
GM all... Failure is NOT an option; its a cop out! Remind yourselves of that (as I am) as often as is necessary! Keep on keeping on....xo about an hour ago
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Oh boy, Our Lady of Perpetual Lies is beginning her long, lonely Weekend of Platitudes. Too early for popcorn & wine ( for some), so put the bagel in the toaster and pour another cup of French roast.
Kate, this is what real moms do on non-custody weekends: they make plans with FRIENDS, head to the gym, go to the city to catch a play or exhibit, see their FAMILY, maybe work in the garden or tackle a project that needs several hours. Oh wait, you get to do these things (sans friends or family of course) on a regular basis because you have 9+ hour child free days and no JOB.
Enjoy the twattering then, you pathetic d-bag.
Westcoaster, and if they are OUT OF WORK, they spend the weekend refining their resume and cover letter and mailing it out to as many employers as possible hoping for a bite so they can work and support their children and it doesn't all fall on the other parent.
Kate is a deadbeat mom. She overcompensates and deflects from her own deadbeat ways when it comes to supporting her family.
How many sheeple does she truly have left?
A Pink Straight Jacket For Kate said... 80
Kate's recent tweet:
GM all... Failure is NOT an option; its a cop out! Remind yourselves of that (as I am) as often as is necessary! Keep on keeping on....xo
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Mmmmm... Kate's first tweet of the day,
and she sounds frustrated.
Maybe lately things are not going her way?
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That's the way I read it. She seems more and more in need of silly little platitudes to keep her going.
You know how when you were 16 you would see a great quote and cut it out and tape it on your wall, or in today's case post it on Facebook. And think I LOVE this quote it speaks to me this quote IS me!
Because that's what young people do at 16. It's all part of normal development and finding your own way.
But, not at 36.
This child support lie just makes my blood boil. How dare Kate snub her nose at $3600 tax free money per month? We(family of four)lived for 15 years on less than 43K per year on my husband's salary alone because I wanted to stay home with them. I don't diss women who work outside the home, but this was important to us and it worked. We even managed to buy a farm house on one acre of land, in the country. The kids got older, I went to nursing school and am now a working nurse (hint hint Khate you lazy slug). My kids were thrilled with their "mediocre" life, which included trips to the library (free - hint for your blog Kate), public parks (free again), drive in movies (very cheap, don't know if there are any in PA. I clothes shopped before they were in school, in very expensive subdivisions that had garage sales. They practically gave like new clothes away. I then turned around and GAVE (not sold at resale like you Kate) them to Goodwill. I took excellent care of the clothes, so they were passed on in greeat condition.
Onto another subject. Stand up for your ex husband. Do you not realize that half of their DNA is his? What hurts and embarrasses him, does the same to them. Do you have absolutely no decency or common sense? Do it for your kids and do it often! Give him credit when it's due and do not belittle what he works for and contributes to the children you SHARE. Here's a tip for you KG: Do unto others. It really is that simple.
APRIL 6, 2012 KATE"S TWEETS ABOUT CHILD SUPPORT
@Kateplusmy8 Kate is it true Jon going to court next week for nonpaymebt of child support?
Kate Gosselin@Kateplusmy8
@Hola3792 I don't know if he's going to court but wouldn't surprise me.... How do you know this stuff?!?
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@xxxxKateplusmy8 my Niece works in PA court system and saw the file
Kate Gosselin@Kateplusmy8
@xxx92 woah....I'm not allowed to talk about orders from the court
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@Kateplusmy8 I did the math. he's a lot of months behind. He only has to pay $40 a day total for all 8 combined! less than my ex pays for 2
Kate Gosselin@Kateplusmy8
Kate Gosselin@Kateplusmy8
xxxx3792 like I said, I can't talk about court orders/numbers....
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Kate started all this by answering these tweets. She knew darn well what she was doing. By tweeting that, she knows full well she is bring it to the world's attention that Jon may/may not be behind in support. Then of course, Radaronline and E News picked the story up. Shame on her. There was zero reason for her to answer those questions at all. Again she started it all. And her tweet on April 13 is disgusting and so telling. Kate tells her kids way, way too much info about their father. I am convinced she has been brainwashing her kids terribly. Kids should not even know what child support is.
@Kteplusmy8 Twitter, Facebook, google is here for eternity. What goes on here, is a diary to your children - remember that.
Kate Gosselin@Kateplusmy8
@xxxx I can't control the lies from bullies, liars, tabloids tho... And that makes me sad. But my kids already hav fig out the truth!;)
Kelly, amen. And good for you.
It bears repeating Kate's bashing of Jon shows just how little respect she has for the 50% of the children that came directly from Jon. Even if you hate him, at least have the decency to respect the part of your children that is him.
Wow, that Eden interview was bizarre and disturbing...both mother & daughter.
Interesting, the mom mentioned that her talent outgrew pageants...sorry, there was no visible talent in that interview.
GM all... Failure is NOT an option; its a cop out! Remind yourselves of that (as I am) as often as is necessary! Keep on keeping on....xo
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Well, maybe Kate should tell herself that when exploring nursing options, the one thing she has been trained for is nursing, her only work and short work history. I think her NPD is rearing its ugly head, as she thinks she should be hosting a show by now.
I also think Kate should consider her own advice when looking at her job options. No job -now six months. She DOES have a duty to support her 8 kids, and all the "sayings in the world" are not going to make that go away.
koopdedoo said... 92
Wow, that Eden interview was bizarre and disturbing.....sorry, there was no visible talent in that interview.
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I saw Eden and mom on another show a while ago...Eden sang a song. She REALLY has no talent and her behavior was just as weird. I don't know why anyone would be interested in her. I hear she has a book out too, and a fan club and entourage...
Re the Eden Wood interview - Wow! I'm seeing a child that doesn't want to be there so she is acting out. Her lines were definitely rehearsed and she delivered, but not in the way her mother wanted her to. I'm sure she was "corrected" after the interview. I believe she was misbehaving intentionally as her only way of saying "I don't want to do this". She did almost appear to be on something though. It is indeed very disturbing.
Her mother would have her mix drinks for her boyfriends that would come over. Kate had her kids expose all their private moments on a reality show. If you think about it, it's all the same thing, all in the same spectrum.
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You have to lump Jon into that group as well.
Khate's failure tweet makes me wonder, can NPDs actually admit to failure or feel that they have failed? Has Khate ever, genuinely, admitted she was wrong either in action or word?
Speaking of child stars, has anyone read Shirley Temple's autobiography? I hear that her parents spent all the money she made but that she was incredibly cool about it when she reached adulthood and found out. Water under the bridge sort of thing.
You have to lump Jon into that group as well.
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Okkkay. But Jon recognized it as wrong just like we all eventually did too.
I didn't raise an eyebrow in the beginning either.
It's the recognition that it is wrong that separates the Joan Crawfords from everyone else who is normal.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 88
You know how when you were 16 you would see a great quote and cut it out and tape it on your wall, or in today's case post it on Facebook. And think I LOVE this quote it speaks to me this quote IS me!
Because that's what young people do at 16. It's all part of normal development and finding your own way.
But, not at 36.
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Exactly!
Re: Eden's "interview". I'm sorry but that kid doesn't even look like she is under the influence of any sort of uber Pixie sticks or ramped-up go-go juice: in fact, she looks, talks and acts like a demented disco dj from the 80's who just snorted too much cocaine.
I'm NOT saying that she actually is on hard drugs, of course. What I'm saying is this is what having spent most of her short life life in reality TV makes her act like: the moment she's in front of a camera, she knows she has to "give a show" because that's what the adults in her life are asking of her, and she is doing her best to comply. (Sometimes, at the end of the last season of Kate+8, during the couch interviews, the younger Gosselin kids were starting to exhibit similar behavior, though to a lesser degree.) And this can't be right. THIS IT IS NOT REALITY. In any universe. Or, at least, any universe worth living in.
That poor child needs to go home, get scrubbed of all that make-up, have her hair combed in a nice ponytail without all that dollar store junk weaved into it, dressed in overalls and sent to play outside with kids her age who, preferably, are not yet into cross-dressing as a hobby, but more into getting happily dirty mixing mudpies.
Okkkay. But Jon recognized it as wrong just like we all eventually did too.
I didn't raise an eyebrow in the beginning either.
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He recognized it was wrong only after TLC took away the money and turned him into a stay-at-home-while-your-wife-has-fun dad. And even then he flip flopped on the idea of filming. Jodi and Kevin, Beth, and millions of viewers saw that what Jon and Khate were doing was wrong years before he did. And getting sick of being stuck at home while your wife is out being the earner and cavorting with her boobyguard isn't the same as getting sick of the fact that you are exploiting and abusing your kids.
I wonder how different Christina and Christopher Crawford's childhoods would have been if they'd had a father from the beginning?
On one of Kate's People Magazine covers is says "It feels like I failed." Guess she forgot about
that one! LOL
OT....Kelly @89 are you a bulldog mom also?
Back on topic, I agree with what everyone has said about that Eden interview. Very disturbing.
GM all... Failure is NOT an option; its a cop out! Remind yourselves of that (as I am) as often as is necessary! Keep on keeping on....xo
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Sounds like Kate is having some doubts creep into her mind against her will...
Tamara, for a refresher course, Kate filed for divorce against Jon, not the other way around. And Jon stood to make WAY more money off all of this had he simply stuck it out. TLC probably would have let him do the Superbowl commercial if he toed the party line, he could have made millions off that, he could have gone to Australia, New Zealand, and South Korea. With the dynamics between Jon and Kate that people loved to watch, who knows this show could still be going strong even now as we speak had Jon stayed on board.
Jon has always been open to compromise and he explained very clearly when he signed off on Kate Plus 8 that he was assured that the children would not be filmed as much and not be exploited on Kate Plus 8. When he realized he was mislead, he refused to sign another contract and he never will again.
We'll have to agree to disagree on motives.
"Whenever Kate loses something to Jon or someone else she tweets out cryptic quotes like I will not quit they can't beat me down I will survive I will always keep going!" 82
I stated on the previous thread that I expected a slew of negative stories about Jon. ROL follows Kate's twitter and I'll bet that some of the sheeple contact the rags as well.
If in fact the court sided with Jon about something, he is doing things right. I may not have this quote exactly right, but "the wheels of justice grind slowly but they grind incredibly fine."
I feel a bit hypocritical urging patience when I am fighting an urge to smack her upside the head, but hey, I'm human.
Call it karma, or the ways of the universe; it will bite her in the ass one day, but I doubt she'll ever admit it. And you know, on some level I really don't care, because for me it's about the kids. Golden platter not with standing, they DO deserve better than that shrew of a mother. Go Jon.
Thanks Admin. I love this blog and you do an awesome job with it. Jon's gaining something that Kate may never have, the satisfaction of earning your own way in this life. The disservice being done to the G8 is sad in so many ways and being brought up to believe you are automatically entitled to something is just one of them. Also, the joy in life, most times, is the SMALL things. My kids remember being taken to the park, not the super expensive toy my husband worked OT for. I know Khate's not going to change, it just makes me so sad that she's allowed to alienate them from family/people/friends that could help these kids gain a healthier perspective. I hope Jon can get much of this done during his parental time & he stays on the right course. Actually I wish he'd go for full custody. One can dream. One of my favorite songs (Hoosier Girl here!) is Minutes to Memories, by Mr. Mellencamp. Listen to it Kate, especially the part where the man says he's "earned every dollar that's passed through his hand" and "an honest man's pillow is his peace of mind".
Thank you so much to all of you who comment and shine light on this subject. I'm off to my mediocre nursing job (which I LOVE) ;)
Kelly, I've thought a lot about the satisfaction of earning your own way in life.
For me when I write a great brief and know it's good and I've filed it, that "high" I get of a job well done can't really be bought with money.
Or when I treat myself with a massage or maybe just Baskin Robbins, it feels good to know I worked hard this week, I earned this, this is money well spent. Same with vacations I save up for.
I just don't think the feeling would be the same had such things simply been handed to me.
Studies on vacations say the time you feel happiest is the preparation and planning. Not on the actual trip, not after the actual trip. If it's just handed to you by TLC, you completely miss out on the happiest time of the trip.
I feel very sorry for people that miss out on this type of satisfaction high you can only achieve through hard work.
NJGal51 Guilty! LOL That's my bullie boy Winston, aka Tater Tot, Snubby(husband did that one), Winifred(son's fault).I'm actually surprised the dog knows his real name ;) He gets lots of lipstick kisses from both my friends and myself cause he's so darn cute!
Tamara said,
He recognized it was wrong only after TLC took away the money and turned him into a stay-at-home-while-your-wife-has-fun dad.
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I disagree. You weren't there, and neither was anyone else. Nobody knows WHEN he recognized that it was wrong. It may have been way before that, but he knew that going up against TLC and Kate would be a losing battle. She always won. I imagine that living with her was a nightmare, and no matter what he did, going along with it was better than fighting it and having to deal with that abuse on a daily basis -- especially for the sake of the children.
And even if he did recognize it when Kate was gone and he was playing Mr. Mom, maybe that was because he had a lot of time to himself and with supportive people like Jodi and Kevin, could reflect on everything that was happening without Kate buzzing in his ear telling him how to think and breathe, and could come to his own conclusions about what was best for the family.
To suggest Jon didn't want them to film anymore simply out of spite for being a stay at home Dad is ludicrous at best.
Whenever Kate loses something to Jon or someone else she tweets out cryptic quotes like I will not quit they can't beat me down I will survive I will always keep going! Blah, kitten-poster BLAH.She's really quite transparent.
And *very* predictable.
Who's calling a twitter war tonight?
Admin said,
Off topic, has anyone seen Titanic in 3D and is it worth it?
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I was wondering this, too. In fact, I picked up the newspaper this morning, saw it was showing in the local theater but didn't know if it was worth sitting through another three hours of it just to see an iceberg in 3D.
admin said,
To suggest Jon didn't want them to film anymore simply out of spite for being a stay at home Dad is ludicrous at best.
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Not only that, admin. There might have been other factors that influenced his decision...ones that we don't know about. Maybe something happened. Maybe he saw something that he clearly didn't like. Maybe the kids went to him and told him something that changed his mind about everything. Nothing is transparent. There may have been many things going down that we'll never know about, unless all of this comes out in the book.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 51
This was before my time, can someone explain why Phil Donahue has a GIGANTIC phone in the middle of the table? Does he take personal calls as they come up? Or is that just what phones looked like in the 19th century... :)
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Phil Donahue did often take calls during the show. That was a regular part of the format. Oprah did too when she first began her show. I remember she used to get a bit frustrated when "the caller" didn't realize it was their time to start to speak. I remember Oprah saying very loudly, "CALLER, CALLER, YOU ARE ON!"
Lol Connie. I love when hosts get frustrated with callers.
Dr. Laura would get really snippy if they had the radio on CALLER IS YOUR RADIO ON TURN IT OFFF (You dumb sh*&)!!!!
Well I think we're going to do the 3D today have a wedding to go to later but I swear if I get sea sick...
"He recognized it was wrong only after TLC took away the money and turned him into a stay-at-home-while-your-wife-has-fun dad."
Nope. That's false about the money: while at home with the kids, Jon was still being paid by TLC. And even while he was still being part of the Jon & Kate +8, John *did* state very clearly that he didn't like his life anymore and that he *was* struggling with the effect of the serie on their life. He didn't express it as clearly as Em wrote to Kate, but the subtext of that pivotal couch interview was that he was feeeling that he had "lost his way". "I want my life back. I want to be Jon again. Not Jon & Kate + 8". And what did his loving wife told him? "Well, I, myself, love my life!!! Essentially, she gave him a big F... you. Right there, in front of thousands.
Christina was raked over the coals from Joan's fans and many others for being so 'vindictive', trying to profit after being cut out of her will and for waiting until after her mother’s death, so she wasn't able to defend herself. Her life was picked apart and judgement passed; she’s a diva, demanding, ungrateful, a liar, photos from her childhood prove that Joan was a good mother, as all the children looked healthy, well groomed & dressed and happy. No acknowledgement that children, out of basic need and the want to be loved, will do things to appease a NPD mother and that abused children will do anything to stop that cycle.
The two Chris’ appeared to get the majority of the abuse and were not close to the last two children (twins) adopted and did not speak after Joan's death. The twins never really spoke of Joan, nor their upbringing, however, they were sent to boarding schools, from I believe 7 or 8. To those who condemned Christina, they say Joan wouldn’t have adopted if she didn’t love children and why would she abuse children she adopted to love … how about NPD and to complete their mother’s image of having it all, a career, family and the appearance of a perfect life. Back in the day appearances were everything, studios would cover up, whitewash and do whatever was necessary to keep their stars images clean. Husbands, wives, children were often arranged to complete a ‘stars’ profile, protect their sexuality, wild ways, etc.
If the Gosselin children ever reveal a less than perfect life, you can take it to the bank that Kate’s sheeple will accuse them of lying and write them off as ungrateful and not appreciating what they ‘received’ growing up. They had a show, they were famous, they saw the love she gave her children, look at all the trips and stuff she gave them, what Kate gave up to raise 8 children!
Then there are the ones who saw beyond the façade, saw and understood the awful behaviour Kate displayed on the shows (now trying to call it editing!), saw her NPD tendencies, possible abuse of varying degrees, the grifting, the indifference paid to the boys specifically and all of the children at times, who will believe and support the accounts revealed. This was not Survivor, Big Brother, Jersey Shores, where drama is encouraged, sometimes scripted and edited for viewer enjoyment, it was the realest reality show, family and children just living in front of camera’s, no scripting, right from her own mouth!
Accck, sorry for some reason my insanely large post (sorry for that too), lost the formatting! LOL it was not meant to be one large paragraph!
Her life was picked apart and judgement passed; she’s a diva, demanding, ungrateful, a liar, photos from her childhood prove that Joan was a good mother, as all the children looked healthy, well groomed & dressed and happy. No acknowledgement that children, out of basic need and the want to be loved, will do things to appease a NPD mother and that abused children will do anything to stop that cycle.
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Yes. I remember someone asking the question if your mother was so abusive why didn't you try to leave?? Wow lady, you have zero understanding of child abuse. None. It is VERY rare for a kid to try to leave. They often don't know what they are experiencing isn't normal, and kids are always afraid to leave what they know. A kid often would much rather be with an abusive parent than be with a stranger or alone. And yes, they would much rather stick around and try to please the NPD parent than leave.
Even so Christina said actually as a teen I did try to leave.
I think the good thing is that most people accept Christina's story now, though there will always be sheeple. Most of Joan's fans are a lot older now, have more perspective, or aren't even around anymore. Christina herself is I think almost 70 now. We have a better understanding of child abuse now, experts have weighed in on what was wrong with Joan, numerous witnesses have come forward corroborating Christina's story, and her story is just so textbook only the most qualified of psychologists could ever dream such a thing up.
Christina even said some of Joan's friends called her to support her. They knew.
White Organza said... 118He didn't express it as clearly as Em wrote to Kate, but the subtext of that pivotal couch interview was that he was feeeling that he had "lost his way". "I want my life back. I want to be Jon again. Not Jon & Kate + 8". And what did his loving wife told him? "Well, I, myself, love my life!!! Essentially, she gave him a big F... you. Right there, in front of thousands.
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Yes, I remember that clearly. It was sad to watch. I also remember at one point Kate said in some interview that Jon was not happy working at home and she suggested he do volunteer work or take classes. In other words, "I'm in control and that's NEVER going to change." I can't even imagine how helpless and demoralized Jon must have felt
Tom Hanks, Jimmy Kimmel and Ron Howard have an hilarious clip on youtube about the kiddy pageants. So funny and so well done!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPLWKBWkn3s&feature=related
I totally agree with the other posters about the Eden Wood interview. I could only watch it for about 20 seconds before I had to turn it off. Couldn't take her behavior. Who could watch a whole show of that??
121 "Christina even said some of Joan's friends called her to support her. They knew."
Hey Kate - even Joan Crawford had friends.
Aunt Connie, that video is hilarious.
Red Sky At Night said... 113
Admin said,
Off topic, has anyone seen Titanic in 3D and is it worth it?
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I was wondering this, too. In fact, I picked up the newspaper this morning, saw it was showing in the local theater but didn't know if it was worth sitting through another three hours of it just to see an iceberg in 3D.
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Red Sky & Admin - I went to see Titanic 3D IMAX with my 3 kids (teens) last weekend. None of us had ever seen it on a movie screen before. While it was EXPENSIVE, I enjoyed it and thought it was worth it. All of us said we were glad we went. (nobody said "wasted 3 hours!")
Forget about the 3D iceberg...think about the frozen bodies in the water floating toward you...
Jon flip flopped on whether or not filming was bad for the kids. He didn't change anything during the 5 years they filmed JON and Kate Plus 8. He is still just as culpable and just as guilty for exploiting and abusing those 8 innocent children as Khate is. He only came out against filming once it was made clear by TLC that Khate was the parent they'd chosen. He was right there with her begging from churches and participating in the fake vow renewal ceremony. I still have to wonder that if those bar/girls tabloid photos had never come to light would he have continued to pretend that all was right in the Gosselin family?
And Admin, you yourself think that Jon would have been happy to compromise with Khate to film the kids. I thought ALL filming of the kids was wrong? Which is it?
He is better than Khate as a parent and person, but that bar isn't exactly set very high.
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Well I think we're going to do the 3D today have a wedding to go to later but I swear if I get sea sick...
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Take some ginger tablets for motion sickness! Let us known if the movie's worth it. I'm curious.
I would hope that more and more people who have seen how Kate is in real life will speak up now FOR the sake of the children. Then maybe in the future, if the children chose to tell their stories, they won't have to go through what Christina Crawford went through when her book came out, being called a liar & vindictive.
Tamara, Jon has admitted his mistakes over and over again. And he also says he lives with the guilt every day. That's more that Kate has even said. Guess that's not enough for you? Should he flog himself until he's bloody?
NJGal 100/100b, I grew up close to the NY State line just south of exit 1. Lots of trips into the City. But we did/do love the shore from Pt. Pleasant to Cape May. Good times. Only one REALLY bad sunburn, but it was a doozy.
And Admin, you yourself think that Jon would have been happy to compromise with Khate to film the kids. I thought ALL filming of the kids was wrong? Which is it?
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You've misunderstood what I've said. The kids have been exploited so much at this point, all filming of them in the future would be wrong. That's because they've had the living crap exploited out of them.
However, had they compromised back in the day, had they reduced the filming back in the day, there was a way to include these kids in some occasional specials, etc., without exploiting them. The Dilleys did specials and there was not a single thing wrong with it. Or, include the kids like PW does where they're not in the show much and it's mostly about the adults. Nothing exploitive about that.
I do not, and never said, that all filming of children is wrong. I think reality t.v. should be regulated, not outlawed.
Tamara said,
He was right there with her begging from churches and participating in the fake vow renewal ceremony.
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Don't you think that she would have made life a living hell for him if he hadn't gone along with her? Have you ever lived with a narcissist? Are you sure he knew the ceremony was fake? Could it be that he thought there was hope for the marriage and that counseling might work?
None of us lived with them. We have no idea what went down in that household, and as admin said, it is ludicrous to think that he decided to end the filming just because he was tired of being a stay-at-home dad while she went off on her trips.
Let's reserve judgment and see what he writes in the book.
I think someone's Twitter fingers have been slapped. Big time.
oh, that Tom Hanks/Jimmy Kimmel/Ron Howard video was hilarious!! Thanks for the link, Aunt Connie!
Not to mention Tamara, the fact that I say JON might be open to compromise with the kids doesn't mean I would agree with any compromise. I'm not sure how you interpreted it that way, I'm not Jon! Not sure why you're being so hostile and accusatory. We were just talking and you came out of nowhere guns blazing rambling about Jon not wanting to do the show because of being a stay at home dad. Wtf?
The same defenses used to defend Joan Crawford.
If it was so bad why did Jon stay?
If it was so bad why did Christina stay, and maintain a relationship with her mother well into adulthood?
Weak, pathetic understanding of a victim who is being abused.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 111
To suggest Jon didn't want them to film anymore simply out of spite for being a stay at home Dad is ludicrous at best.
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It's no more ludicrous than the spinning that you do to paint Jon as a saint. The reality is that no one here is inside Jon Gosselin's head and can speak for him.
Are you sure he knew the ceremony was fake? 133
Good point, we DON'T know. I do remember Jon saying that when they saw Dr. Phil (at Kate's insistence), Jon was upset that all Dr. Phil talked about was saving "their brand" while Jon was trying to save their marriage.
It's no more ludicrous than the spinning that you do to paint Jon as a saint 138
No one here paints Jon as a saint; but I think that he would have to use St. Augustine as his model to satisfy the sheeple.
Speak up if any of you have said that Jon is a saint. I didn't think so. LOL
@126...
Thanks! It's been a long time since I've seen a movie in 3D, so we'll probably give it a try. My son was trying to explain to me that it's not going to be like "It's Tough To Be A Bug" at Disney. Jack Dawson is not going to look like he's coming out to my seat to hug me. Darn.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 137
The same defenses used to defend Joan Crawford.
If it was so bad why did Jon stay?
If it was so bad why did Christina stay, and maintain a relationship with her mother well into adulthood?
Weak, pathetic understanding of a victim who is being abused.
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Maybe stockholm syndrome.
Maybe it's just my experience but the more you have to proclaim that failure, etc and all that isn't an option, the more you have to remind yourself and others...the less likely it rings true? Just my experience that the more you try and convince people of a certain fact even if you know it's wrong just makes you look really stupid.
Give it up Kate. The more you babble on and on about not failing only opens yourself up to looking more like you failed. I don't know what better job right now aside from nursing, going back to school she can get right now. Reality TV is over, time to live in the real world where things aren't scripted for you. I really wish someone at CC would let her go already.
I mean is this the type of business they want? I don't have a lot of experience in formal business yet but even I know she's making them look absolutely ridiculous with talkin about just herself and not who she is working for. Most people in this situation get fired fairly quickly. I don't see it happening and I can't quite figure out why CC has to keep hold of her. Kate's practically a nobody.
If I thought Jon was a saint I would take him down from this blog's banner. Recall the strong opinions last year about why I should. Recall me saying no absolutely not.
Rhymes said,
Good point, we DON'T know. I do remember Jon saying that when they saw Dr. Phil (at Kate's insistence), Jon was upset that all Dr. Phil talked about was saving "their brand" while Jon was trying to save their marriage.
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Yes, now I remember that. I was trying to think what was going down at that time and I knew there was something about Jon trying to save the marriage and that Kate just wasn't interested and somehow Dr. Phil got in the middle of it.
How many times did Kate say how important it was for the kids to know that Mommy and Daddy would stay together forever? She deceived the kids, and quite possibly, Jon as well.
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To add another sick twist to the Crawford epic, her "twins" weren't twins at all.
They were unrelated, adopted girls from different parents who Crawford CALLED twins.
Multiples/sets of children = more attention. Crawford apparently couldn't find a pair of twin girls to adopt, and couldn't have them herself so she grabbed two kids and invented her own set of multiples.
Talk about messing your kids up.
Oh, right, that IS what we're talking about.
Krawford and Katie: A match made in hell. Too bad Joan isn't still alive. They could be BFFs.
Tamara said...
Khate's failure tweet makes me wonder, can NPDs actually admit to failure or feel that they have failed? Has Khate ever, genuinely, admitted she was wrong either in action or word?
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To Kate, "faiure" would mean getting a real job and paying her own way in the world. No way is shw going to do that. Only Kate could think that by sitting on her a**, spending all her kids' money, and refusing to take financial responsibility for herself or her kids is a noble thing. But she does. I think she has oppositional defiance disorder. Read the following and see if you agree:
ODD in adults is characterized by a pattern of behavior that violates the basic human rights of others, as well as disobeying societal rules.
Adults with ODD/CD tend to have destructive personalities, including the inability to get along well with others. Some ODD may display uncooperative behavior and an unwillingness to conform to rules. Marriage and other important relationships may also become strained as a result of anger or conformity issues. They don't know how to deal with anger, and will react rebelliously against any person with a certain authority. They will have issues with controlling their temper and frequent outbursts will be noticed. These adults find it difficult to differentiate between good and bad. They are antisocial and cannot deal with anyone telling them what to do. Basically, this disorder is classified as a state of continuous rebelling against the right.
Really, 139 -- It's no more ludicrous than the spinning that you do to paint Jon as a saint.
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Show us one point, and only one post, where anyone said that Jon is a saint. You're spinning something that never was spun in the first place!
Watching Phil Donahue.
Part of this really sound like I imagine the Gosselin Household to be. It amazes me how people can listen to the words kate speaks and see the opposite of what others see.
A few days ago when all the question about her twitter being shut down came about, I looked on her twitter. The was a young mother on there defending kate against haters. Her argument was kate needs to work in the media because she has 1.2 million house to keep up with. Also that she could not earn enough on a nurses salary to raise kids.
Now if Jon is paying $40k and kate makes $60k as a nurse..she could provide for her kids. Its as simple as that. This does not even take into account the nest egg she is sitting on. I really am tired of people being so blind to her situation and not being able to see they are being taken for a ride with kate's lies about her "minimal child support."
I was to see exposed. Im tired of ROL and others painting the wrong picture. I dont know why but it is important for me to see her lies exposed. I guess I need to see karma to keep up my faith if that makes sense.
LOL hardly a saint, no more than anyone of us are. However, we all make mistakes and the goal in life should be to learn from them, not to repeat them and move on, doing the best we can. He also recognizes and freely admits that he did make mistakes, unlike someone else we know!
He did eventually realize what they were doing was wrong, no matter what made him see the light, he did see it. He has led his life (save for the 3-4 monthish wild child period)since that time as a normal person would, working, being with his children, family and friends, doing what we all do without camera's or wishing for them to return to document his and his children's lives.
If at some point he returns to pimping out or exploiting his children for his monetary gain, then I will again call him out for it.
Jon signed a contract with TLC just like Kate. I believe TLC wanted to showcase Kate more, thus the makeover, books, etc. because she provided the tension to make the show talked about. As to whether Jon saw the light, I don't know. He was not why people tuned in and if Kate hadn't dumped him, the show could still very well be on. He certainly enjoyed the money. He is no saint, but at least he is normal.
My impression was that during the time Jon was home with the kids, and Kate was traveling solo with Steve, that something came to Jon's attention about one or more of the kids that caused him to decide that the filming needed to end.
Hard to say what that might have been. Whatever it was, Kate clearly glossed over it. Maybe problems in school. My impression was behavior problems somewhere that were overtly attributable to filming.
Admin 121, you are right on the money with your thoughts on abused children. I was an abused child and never thought of leaving home until I was a teenager. At one point I was made a ward of the state, and although I wasn't removed from my home, the thought terrified me. You think that everyone else's home is just like yours (because my mom always put on an act in front of other people). As you get older and realize how wrong it is, you think it's somehow your fault, and if my own mother could do this to me, a stranger who doesn't love me would do even worse. At least this is how I and my siblings felt. Except in our house, it was the opposite of the Gosselins: my brothers were favored and us girls were second class citizens, when we even ranked as citizens.
Either way, it caused relationship problems with all of us that didn't really get resolved until my mother died in 2005. I read Christina's book years ago and I understood exactly where she was coming from.
Re: 140 For those who don't know about St. Augustine.
From wikipedia:
"Possidius also described Augustine's personal traits in detail, drawing a portrait of a man who ate sparingly, worked tirelessly, despised gossip, shunned the temptations of the flesh, and exercised prudence in the financial stewardship of his see."[35]
Or would you prefer he model himself on those saints who practiced self-flagellation?
(35.^ Weiskotten, Herbert T. The Life of Saint Augustine: A Translation of the Sancti Augustini Vita by Possidius, Bishop of Calama. Merchantville, NJ: Evolution Publishing, 2008. ISBN 1-889758-90-6)
Bad boy Dr. Phil
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/10/dr-phil%E2%80%99s-advice-jon-and-kate-stay-together-make-money
I have been watching the interview on The Donahue show and have recognized so many traits that Kate mirrors of Joan Crawford. I thought it would be very interesting to, as some made a list of Kate's grifting, do a side by side comparison of both Kate and Joan. We could use examples, which there are many, from the interview of Christine and her book.
I don't know if any one would want to track them down but I think it would be so interesting to compare. Maybe some of her sheeple would see this and avoid any dissapointment. I'm sure we couldn't convince all but if just one or two of her younger sheeple recognized the parody, it would be worth it.
I would do this myself but when I write anything it takes me forever because my spelling and non-gift for writing keeps me all over the place trying to convey my thoughts. My slight dyslexia doesn't help either. I do feel inferior sometimes posting because most on this site are so well educated and knows where to put each comma, period and proper split for a paragraph. Hey, but that's my issue to get over.
I do hope, though it's a lot of work, that someone would take on this task. With imput from everyone it shouldn't be to hard.
I just had a thought when I was typing about the younger sheeple. I wonder if they try to protect Kate because they are treated the same way by their parent and this way, because Kate's responds and gives them the accolades they so desire to hear from there own abusive parent, they go all out protecting and loving their so desired parent. Like Christine Crawford said, the child knows no other way of life. Hence foreth Kate's life is familiar and they get their dream parent in Kate.
Failure is not a cop out, how does that even make sense? Sometimes, human beings fail at things. Edison failed at many things, Lincoln failed repeatedly, Einstein had far more failures than successes.
Failure happens.
It's how you react to failures that determines your future and your success. Some people shut down. They refuse to try anymore, because they are afraid of more failure,
Some, like Kate, stick their fingers in their ears, scream "LA LA LA LA LA!!!!" and refuse to examine the failure and so continue failing. They blame everyone and everything but themselves and refuse to really analyze the failure in honest terms.
Of course, the best approach is to accept the failure and then be reflective. Why did I fail at this? What happened? Was it something I did, something I can control next time?
Reflectiveness, honesty, personal growth: Kate could use heaps of all three. She will continue to fail at everything she touches because of her immature attitude.
RE RMS Titanic, does anyone have any links to the fateful ship? One of my great-grandmothers was on the Carpathia. Saw the 3-D, only the second time I'd seen the Cameron film. Wow Leo and Kate look young!
Here's the thing about the banner, though. It's the wording. It reads, "A blog chronicling every move Kate, Jon, and TLC make on their relentless quest..."
MAKE. Present tense. Jon (and TLC for that matter) are no longer involved in it. Yes, they all did that in the past, but the description of the blog makes it sound like Jon is still involved in the exploitation -- that it's ongoing.
Just to clarify, this was aimed at the sheeple.
155 Or would you prefer he model himself on those saints who practiced self-flagellation?
It really is amazing how the only time she tweets is when the kids are with her. That is when, in her mind, she is "working". Just disturbing.
He was not why people tuned in and if Kate hadn't dumped him, the show could still very well be on
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It was the interaction between the two that was the draw; not Jon alone, and not Kate alone. For the life of me, I can't understand why anyone would enjoy watching a wife beat down her husband, but that's exactly what was happening toward the end of the series. What's Kate going to do to Jon this week? Watch Kate behaving badly! It certainly was the draw. When he no longer was the whipping boy, things went down hill, and she couldn't make it on her own.
Does Kate not realize that in life sometimes you do fail? For one reason or another it happens to just about everyone out there nobody is perfect or exempt from failing at something at some point. Failure is a part of life and as sour as this spoonful is to swallow it teaches people that you just have to get over it and go on. I don't mean it as traumatic as Kate makes failure out to be but I start to wonder if she just expects herself to be above that. You're not. Failure gets the best of everyone, genius. In a way it teaches you certain things you might not have otherwise learned.
But, you know, maybe Kate's really is just that special. ***I say sarcastically.
RE RMS Titanic, does anyone have any links to the fateful ship?
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I don't know what you mean by "links." They're all over the internet. Do you mean PERSONAL associations, as in relatives who may have been on it?
Speaking of ships, what's happening with the Kate cruise? Is Cindy still hawking it? I haven't seen any of her tweets lately.
Westcoaster said... 134
I think someone's Twitter fingers have been slapped. Big time.
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And long overdue...Krap needs to stop talking about her kids and posting pictures on twitter asp, as well her blog. Once and for all.
Stand on your own 2 feet Kate, leaving out personal info on the kids, who did not sign up for this. Have some decency for once in your life. You are no longer on a TLC show, so the explotation of your kids needs to stop. By twitter or blogs.
I believe that Kate fell for her own hype and she believed she could carry a show on TLC by herself minus Jon. She read the script that she and Jon would always be together, but never wanted him after she "got the big head." She wants it all without "paying the piper" for it. That might work with major lottery winners, but not in real life. We all pay our dues, don't we? Delusional woman, that Kate.
I wonder if this was the "Korea" that Kate expected to visit. (snark)
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/04/north-korea-pyongyang-video
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/04/north-korea-photos-pyongyang-propaganda
(It is a fascinating portrait, though).
Gawd...I am so tired of her trite sayings! She has no imagination.
Tamara said... 76
Re kids knowing the truth, don't be so sure. You all seem to be looking at it from a very adult and unemotional distance. Again, I've seen kids blame the parent in the right even long after they've learned all the facts. A child's love, especially for a mother who screams persecution every chance she gets, can be blind.
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I'm hoping that because the G. children have a sane father who is there for them...they won't have nearly as many issues when they grow up (as a result of having a mom with NPD).....than they otherwise would have without Jon in the picture.
It will make a huge difference if they have Jon to turn to. It's not a guarantee they won't have some issues....but I don't think they'll be nearly as bad as they'd be if Jon wasn't so actively in the picture to act on their behalf.
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As to whether Jon saw the light, I don't know. He was not why people tuned in and if Kate hadn't dumped him, the show could still very well be on. He certainly enjoyed the money. He is no saint, but at least he is normal.
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The thing is.....once Jon was off the show and it became just Kate and the kids, the show took a nice long swan dive....so they obviously didn't tune in just to see her. They wanted to see both of them together. They sorta had a Mutt & Jeff act going there.
But you hit the nail on the head when you said "but at least he is normal". That's why most would rather see the kids with Jon and are glad Jon is actively in the picture.....because he doesn't have the clear psych issues Kate does which makes him just more stable and healthy for them than she is.
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The similarities between Joan Crawford and Kate G. are really fascinating.....and also the contrasts. Joan had real acting talent....Kate does not have the talent needed for the entertainment industry. I also believe that Joan was way better at pretending to be a nice person out in public and fooling people than Kate is. Kate doesn't seem to make attempts to hide her condescending and demanding personality from the public. If she was able to force herself to be nice to others, she probably wouldn't be spiraling down so quickly.
Back in those days, people were nowhere near as savvy about psychiatric conditions...which made poor Christina's life so much worse. They also kept the whole child abuse issue in the closet (along with several other issues). At least for the G. kids, many more in the public are sympathetic to them because the whole NPD issue and child abuse issues are so more widely recognized and discussed.
I do want to add, however, that even though we have seen Kate do a few questionable things (ie: the red spoon, hitting Leah outside, putting the son on the floor in the dark, etc.) I certainly would not, at this point, want to accuse her of being as abusive to them as Joan Crawford was to her children. I'm not saying she isn't. I'm just saying that until the kids spill the beans one day....there isn't really any proof that Kate doles out the horrible abuse Joan did. There's certainly clues she might....but I would never want to outright accuse her without adequate proof.
Right, Wool. Their interaction got the buzz and viewers. When Jon left the show, Kate "failed". Explains to me why she hates him so much.
This little quote about "failure not being an option" reminds me of all those little sticky note items that were taped to the cupboards in the kitchen of their former home. It does appear to be kind of juvenile to me, but maybe Kate really needs to boost herself up and that is how she is doing it. Her world is not all she wants it to be would be my guess. Karma?
I see Jon from a different perspective than some and will come right out and say that I have a very soft spot for him and this is why:
I see him as yet another victim of Kate's narcissistic and sociopathic personality. He appeared to enter into that relationship and marriage with all the right intentions: marry a girl you love, buy a little house, have a few kids. And it all seemed pretty sweet with the twins; he was content. She, of course, was not, even though, in retrospect, that was all they could afford. But here's the evil part: Kate married a man who loved his family and she used that against him. He put up with her unbelievable CRAP because he loved his girls and Kate. He compromised and complied with her to get her off his back and because he loved his family. If you watch the episodes of JK8 now, I see a man who looked relatively enthusiastic for the first few episodes and who rapidly looked less comfortable and happy with what the show morphed into. Yes, he loved the money, who wouldn't? But he didn't go into the marriage with aspirations of conceiving HOMs and becoming rich and famous. She did and she found someone she could manipulate because he actually loved his kids that much. You hear him time and again saying the sane thing on that show and getting slammed by Kate. He was not weak or stupid or greedy IMO. He wanted to have the happy intact family. The despair on his face towards the end was probably due to the realization that he had married a monster and the marriage was over
LoveMyGrandsons said... 154
You think that everyone else's home is just like yours (because my mom always put on an act in front of other people).
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Your comment was very interesting to me because we were abused by our mother but for us, it was the opposite. We thought everyone else lived a normal and wonderful "Leave it to Beaver" life and that the life we lived inside our house was a horrible, well-kept secret.
But our mother had serious psych issues as well and didn't get along with the neighbors.
We even kept the secret from our own father about what she did while he was at work. That's a whole other story in itself....as to whether he actually must have at least suspected or not. Back in those days, people just didn't talk about or discuss these issues and you thought you were the only ones on the planet it was happening to and there was lots of shame involved. And I'm sure it was even 10X worse for those who were sexually abused. "We're as sick as our secrets".
I remember....our mother would lock us out of the house all day when we were quite little (around 5-6) when dad left for work, rain, shine, cold, hot....and we would go over to the other houses and look in the windows....and many of them would let us come in...and feed us....and let us watch TV.
Truly...."if not for the kindness of strangers"....and I've been forever grateful to them.
167 Gawd...I am so tired of her trite sayings! She has no imagination.
Let's face it, she's a THIRTY-SEVEN year old woman with the emotional maturity of a twelve year old. Makes me think of Peter Pan.
and tlc DOES stink.
LaLaLandNoMore said... 170
This little quote about "failure not being an option" reminds me of all those little sticky note items that were taped to the cupboards in the kitchen of their former home...
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Hehe....to me it sounds like Scarlet O'Hara at the end of Gone With the Wind. Cue the violins.
Kate Doesn't Rate said: No one here paints Jon as a saint; but I think that he would have to use St. Augustine as his model to satisfy the sheeple.
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I think that once he was done with himself, the sheeple would step right in and make sure that the job was done...beating the dead horse, so to speak.
dee3 said... 166
I also believe that Joan was way better at pretending to be a nice person out in public and fooling people than Kate is. Kate doesn't seem to make attempts to hide her condescending and demanding personality from the public. If she was able to force herself to be nice to others, she probably wouldn't be spiraling down so quickly.
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I think it was an audience member who said Joan was not nice to people out in the public, that in fact, she was very rude. I think it was from someone staying in the same hotel, if I remember correctly. I just remember thinking there's another similarity.
njay~your comments always seem very well written to me.
Marie~you are so right. Saying "failure is not an option" is not a very good lesson to teach others, especially children. I think something more along the lines of "even if you failed, it matters more that you tried" or "if you fail, pick yourself up and try again", etc. But failure is not an option? That's setting yourself up to be very down on yourself in the future unless you succeed at everything.
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I'm finding it quite fascinating (keep in mind I'm not very good at navigating twitter) that some of the sheeple have tweeted Jon (many of them via socks/alternate personalities) and how they almost melt when he is nice to them. Makes me wonder exactly what issues with men they have. Rather perplexing.
It almost makes me feel kinda sorry for some of them....as to me, it shows just how needy they are for...well, something. I'm not altogether sure what it is....but there is something that identifying with or being recognized by/replied to by a celebrity clearly does something for them....fulfills some empty space, some need.
But it really highlights the contrast between the fans and non-fans in terms of their objectivity. I highly doubt any of us would be melting for Kate even if she pretended to be nice to us....as we've sized her up and have her number.
And I love how Jon is smart and sane enough to be nice to anyone who behaves decently on his twitter, whether they are recognized Kate fans (and often Jon-haters) or not. A VERY smart move....and I think it's giving a few sheeple identity crises.
But I do want to compliment Paige...who actually tweeted Jon nicely with her own twitter name...and who since then, did seem to show a teensy bit of support for him in her tweets on Kate's twitter after he'd replied very nicely to her. Want to give her props for that....esp. because she's apparently a kid.
On the topics of Mommie Dearest, what do you all think of the parents of child actress Mara Boyd appearing in this movie?
Due to Twitter silence, I take it the kids are with Jon this weekend?
Hope they are having a blast!
Can any of you who follow Twitter answer this:
Does Jon twat all day when he has the kids? Or about the kids?
I know what Kate's been doing with her "spare time", watching the movie Apollo 13. Direct quote from the movie "Gentlemen, failure is not an option". On the westcoast Apollo 13 has been playing on HBO/Showtime, one of those channels the past week or so.
Being a parent is not about keeping score on whether you fail, pass, or excel. Its about getting out of bed each and every day to raise your children.
Once again, Kate living in fantasyland instead of reality. Come on Kate get out of bed and raise your children. That's what a good parent does. Its not about failure its about putting your children's needs first, your needs second.
I wonder what happens if one of the kids 'fails' a test or is not 'top of the class?' Scary unrealistic goal as Marie and other posters have said. Accepting and learning from failure would be a better 'motto.'
The "Failure is not an option" motto comes from the movie Apollo 13: that's how the chief of operations in Cap Canaveral finishes his distribution of tasks between members of his team as they are about to take on the incredible challenge of bringing the astronauts safely back to earth after an oxygen tank exploded and badly damaged the service module upon which the Command Module depended.
It is an incredibly empowering motto, so it's not surprising that it did catch on, and that peolple still are using it to this day it when they are about to try something particularly daring, difficult, unheard of, in "live or die" situations.
BUT. The operative word here is "try". Being proactive. With a clear goal in mind. And the plan to achieve this goal.
Choosing "failure is not an option" as motto while doing absolutely nothing to attain any kind of discernable goal, sitting on one's orange flat a$$ waiting for "something" to come up only because "it has to", as she confided in one of her last public interviews, is positively kafkaesque.
Re cruise, perhaps Cindy has gone off on another one since her last tweet on Tuesday. It is odd that she's not tweeting, but she's also not tweeting about her other project, the Sept. cruise with Deena Nicole. Both websites are still running. So it is doubtful this was cancelled. Doesn't explain why Kate wouldn't be tweeting about it herself. Oh yeah, that's right, she's LAZY.
To the posters who are somewhat hesitant about posting lest they have poor grammar, spelling, punctuation, etc., ....no worries.
The only reason Kate gets harped on for that is because she has so consistently said that English was her best subject. A little hard to fathom when she often uses words out of context and can't string a
coherent sentence together. She is especially good at malapropisms.
Personally, I love hearing all the different viewpoints. This is an endlessly fascinating topic. Partly because we want to understand the weirdness that is Kate.
And partly because it is the American way to cheer for the underdog. We always like to think that the underdog stands a chance, and if he's getting too unfairly beat down, we come to his aid.
We have empathy for someone who is being treated unfairly, for some little guy being pushed around by someone a lot bigger then him (even if the little guy was a bit of a dog earlier). If it seems unjust we feel obliged to intervene. We don't like to see anyone unfairly suffer.
I have some trite words of wisdom for Kate: Failures are but stepping stones to success.
Westcoaster said... 174
Can any of you who follow Twitter answer this:
Does Jon twat all day when he has the kids? Or about the kids?
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Jon doesn't tweet when he has the kids. He really doesn't tweet much at all.
Virginia Pen Mom said... 61
If we get in early with front row seats, I'll bring the popcorn and wine. Moose, maybe bring towels to put on the floor around us because it's bound to be slippery from Milo's tears. And AuntieAnn can send the running "real time" commentary back to the blog!
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Oh yes, as they run in slow motion towards each other, then finally meet and as the music crescendoes, there will be smooching and tears, hugs and carresses galore.
I agree, we must plan ahead with towels and such. And I was just thinking maybe we should disguise ourselves so as not to be noticed. If anyone else is coming please raise your hand. I need to know how many of these I should order. We need to remain anonymous.
I'm looking forward to a great time with you, ladies!
Westcoaster said... 178
Can any of you who follow Twitter answer this:
Does Jon twat all day when he has the kids? Or about the kids?
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Jon goes days without tweeting. Most of his tweets, when he does tweet, are to friends or an occasional reply to a fan. He mentions family in a generic sense, but I can't ever remember him mentioning the kids by name, even when he was private, other then to say in a reply "thanks, they're fine" or 'Please don't ask me, I won't discuss the kids". Stuff like that. I don't think he's tweeted when he has the kids, although I'm not always sure when they're with him these days.
https://twitter.com/#!/jongosselin1
181 Does Jon twat all day when he has the kids? Or about the kids?
Westcoaster, I haven't seen it, but you can check for yourself. He's pretty good at ignoring A LOT of crap, IMO.
http://twitiq.com/jongosselin1
If Kate does not show or teach her kids that sometimes it's okay to fail at things, you shouldn't expected to win or be the best at everything her kids are going to be in for quite a stumble when they become adults. I mean jobs aren't generally handed to you, you might have to fail at a few before you find the right one.
I think she's spent a little too much time viewing the world through rose colored glasses. Trial and error I'm sure Kate's had some personal experience with that, as we probably all have.
Standards are good to give yourself and your kids but you have to also give them that soft spot to fall when things don't go their way. I don't see Kate as this type of person.
How can she say this really? Someone make a list of all the things she's failed at. Twist of Kate comes to mind. She has a mediocre twice (once?) a month blogging job for a coupon company most people probably haven't heard of until she worked there.
I will tell you my parents said something similar, you fail, you're a loser. I will tell you if anything it's pushed me to be ridiculously high standards for myself that even receiving a B in college is very difficult. And I do not think Kate's standards are fair to put that on her kids...much less herself. Doesn't exactly make you a happy person all it does is really stress you out. But I've learned to live with "failing" I'm a lot happier.
What's Next said.......
I think it was an audience member who said Joan was not nice to people out in the public, that in fact, she was very rude. I think it was from someone staying in the same hotel, if I remember correctly. I just remember thinking there's another similarity.
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Wow.....no kidding. Do you think the difference might have been because most people thought she was the same person she portrayed in her movies? Back in the day before there was twitter, etc.? When most regular folks had no idea what the celebrities were like in their real life?
Whereas these days, it gets out how Kate has treated people who live near her and work in the business near her.....so it's widely known. And people can also figure out the real Kate from the stuff she tweets.
Did Joan live in Hollywood or near there? Maybe folks in that industry kept their mouths shut about what celebrities were like in real life? Or how they treated them? Maybe it was a Hollywood secret back then?
KT also embarrassed Jon constantly by correcting his English in the interviews and wrongly so. And crowing about her gift of gab, which we come to find out is the ability to speak out of both sides of her mouth and feign innocence when caught in a lie. What, who, me?
Isn't that the truth, Marie.
Wouldn't life be incredibly, inexplicably boring if we always won, if we never failed, if everything always worked out, if we never left a bad idea behind and tried something else?
Not only are Kate's quotes trite and overworn, but the are not good advice either.
AuntieAnn, I'm in but I already have a pair of those so save your money.
That's one reason why so many poor little rich kids end up so unhappy, isn't it? When everything is handed to you and you are never allowed to fail at anything, to try, try, try again and brush yourself off when you mess up and get up and try something else, people becoming very sorry and unhappy people and turn to drugs and other things to fill the void.
That's one reason why so many poor little rich kids end up so unhappy, isn't it? When everything is handed to you and you are never allowed to fail at anything, to try, try, try again and brush yourself off when you mess up and get up and try something else, people becoming very sorry and unhappy people and turn to drugs and other things to fill the void.
I think Kate's magic lamp (TLC) ruined her. She has a sort of Midas Touch syndrome if there is such a thing. Didn't he (Midas) eventually come to hate his wish and die of starvation because of it?
The thing about Kate is I don't think she'll ever admit her mistakes or see the error of her ways. I really believe she is incurably selfish.
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